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| 00:11.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: audio.sch |
| 00:11.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - added Note regarding ECNs |
| 00:11.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - clean-up |
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| 01:08.45 | jonkristian | So i got navit working on om2009, no speech though, and the screen keeps blanking out, any ideas? I've installed speech stuff and configured according to the wiki entry for navit. |
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| 01:50.52 | Raazeer | hi all. |
| 01:52.07 | Raazeer | I've got a problem: I forgot to specify an altsetting in dfu-util and now my freerunner won't let itself be flashed anymore. It seems not to know its altsettings any more. Can anyone help me? |
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| 01:54.00 | Raazeer | anybody here? |
| 01:54.31 | xeladude | Raazeer: Hello |
| 01:54.56 | Raazeer | hello. Any ideas? |
| 01:55.03 | xeladude | hm |
| 01:55.26 | xeladude | will it get into the nor bootloader? |
| 01:56.31 | Raazeer | it will, I don't know about nand, I'm using qi |
| 01:56.37 | raster | does it boot into kernel/linux etc? |
| 01:57.13 | Raazeer | dunno, I get a screenfull of errors. |
| 01:57.20 | Raazeer | qi seems intact tho |
| 01:57.28 | xeladude | Raazeer: examples of errors? |
| 01:57.31 | raster | and then whaty... does it continue to boot or fail |
| 01:58.04 | raster | can't help with qi tho |
| 01:58.27 | Raazeer | oh I remember now, after I flashed without altsetting, i had a successful kernel flash and an aborted rootfs flash. |
| 01:58.31 | raster | did you get the debug board? |
| 01:58.54 | Raazeer | hm, it boots to the Angstrom login prompt, so the kernel must be at least partly intact |
| 01:58.55 | raster | ok- well no rootfs is a problem |
| 01:59.02 | raster | have u tried getting a console from qi? |
| 01:59.09 | raster | it probably has commands to boot off sd |
| 02:00.03 | Raazeer | how can I get a console from qi? |
| 02:00.18 | raster | likely via usb |
| 02:00.35 | raster | how about this brilliant idea... |
| 02:00.46 | raster | you... read qi's documentation? |
| 02:01.00 | raster | is impressed... even with himself |
| 02:01.02 | raster | :) |
| 02:01.30 | Raazeer | hm qi doesn't seem to do any console or otherwise, just kick off the kernel if I understood this right |
| 02:01.50 | raster | doesnt mean its not via serial over usb |
| 02:01.53 | raster | read its docs |
| 02:01.55 | Raazeer | oh and there's no sd card in, I checked that first |
| 02:02.23 | raster | ask here AFTER you have gone and read all its docs and tried everything there |
| 02:03.06 | Raazeer | boy, I DID read the docs, I've done anything but go through the source. |
| 02:03.15 | raster | you can keep asking about qi here - but the only person actively speaking doesnt use it |
| 02:03.35 | Raazeer | and there's nothing in there that even suggests that there even IS a console in qi |
| 02:04.06 | xeladude | I assume flashing u-boot doesn't work? |
| 02:04.38 | Raazeer | I've got enough trouble with a busted rootfs, the last thing I need is a busted bootloader. |
| 02:04.52 | xeladude | true... |
| 02:05.15 | Raazeer | and as I wrote before the thing basicly works, it just don't recognize it's altsettings and names any more. |
| 02:05.41 | Raazeer | dfu-util normally won't clobber uboot_env, right? |
| 02:05.55 | Raazeer | not unless you explicitly tell it to? |
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| 02:08.24 | raster | Raazeer: you didn't read the docs |
| 02:08.38 | raster | literally, me reading them for you in the past 3 minutes has found your solution |
| 02:08.40 | raster | boot off sd |
| 02:08.44 | Raazeer | raster: enlighten me to what I've missed. |
| 02:08.45 | raster | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=blob;f=README;hb=HEAD |
| 02:08.48 | raster | its there in the RADME |
| 02:09.00 | raster | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 02:09.13 | raster | booting heuristics |
| 02:09.19 | raster | it boots off sd first |
| 02:09.27 | Raazeer | so I gather |
| 02:09.29 | raster | so simply prepare a microsd for boot |
| 02:09.30 | raster | done |
| 02:09.48 | Raazeer | and how does that help me off my clobbered rootfs? |
| 02:09.58 | raster | you boot OFF SDE |
| 02:10.00 | raster | OFF SD |
| 02:10.04 | raster | SD has a rootfs |
| 02:10.07 | raster | and kernel |
| 02:10.09 | Raazeer | yes, off sd. |
| 02:10.10 | raster | and everything else |
| 02:10.17 | raster | whatis on flash is then irrelevant |
| 02:10.30 | raster | you can write to flash again from linux once its booted |
| 02:11.14 | Raazeer | wait, you can write jffs2 images to flash from within linux? |
| 02:11.23 | raster | no |
| 02:11.35 | raster | u can write ANYTHING you like |
| 02:11.39 | Raazeer | *pinches his nose* |
| 02:11.44 | raster | jffs2, yaffs, ubifs |
| 02:11.53 | Raazeer | ok, take it slow on me, it is four in the morning here... |
| 02:11.54 | raster | how do u think linux saves changes to the fs? |
| 02:12.07 | raster | (eg your config or files?) |
| 02:13.18 | Raazeer | ok, I know I can write files into mounted file systems. but from previuous experience with flash-driven devices I know writing to flash devices as if they were hard disks can be dicey |
| 02:14.28 | Raazeer | so yes I know I can just dd a filesystem image onto a partition node, but are you sure it will work with nand just like that? |
| 02:17.37 | Raazeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.31 | raster | nandwrite -h |
| 02:20.35 | Raazeer | that sounds reasonable. I'll try that approach I guess. thanks for your help |
| 02:22.22 | raster | np |
| 02:22.35 | raster | i just am baffled that you didnt think u can flash from userspace... |
| 02:22.58 | Raazeer | try it on a fritz box some time. |
| 02:23.01 | raster | my fi rst reactin if i know if an reliably/safely get a kernel+userspace up is "phew. problem solved" |
| 02:23.26 | raster | as that userspace is controllable and thus can have anything available to it u like |
| 02:23.42 | raster | fritz will be able to flash too |
| 02:23.52 | raster | ifu have nandwrite there it'll be just dandy |
| 02:24.02 | raster | the problem is.. are you flashing the same rootfs you are already using? |
| 02:24.07 | raster | if so.. thats trouble |
| 02:24.21 | raster | you're booting off sd - so it's not a problem |
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| 04:05.24 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r5319 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile gps.sch pmu.sch): |
| 04:05.24 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - changed a few of those bulky Petafarad to picofarad |
| 04:05.24 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - added Makefile target bom-by-ref |
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| 04:49.20 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r5320 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gta02-core.sch scripts/sch2compnums): |
| 04:49.20 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - Added script to list component references sorted by their numeric part. |
| 04:49.20 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - Added component references to top-level sheet. |
| 05:02.32 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5321 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: review of LCM sheet |
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| 10:00.18 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5323 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: C6005 should be NC as pointed out by Rene |
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| 10:50.47 | Lantizia | Lo, wikipedia states GTA03 and 04 cancelled... so openmoko is a dead ducky now? |
| 10:52.07 | SpeedEvil | not wholly |
| 10:52.20 | SpeedEvil | the software stack is really coming on |
| 10:52.39 | SpeedEvil | and it can in principle run on other hardware |
| 10:52.50 | SpeedEvil | also - 02 is still on sale |
| 10:53.09 | lindi- | Lantizia: would you have bought 03? |
| 10:53.12 | Lantizia | so openmoko has just turned into a piece of software only |
| 10:53.29 | Lantizia | lindi- I'd have bought an 04 with 3G support |
| 10:53.34 | SpeedEvil | not quite |
| 10:53.44 | SpeedEvil | is afk. |
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| 11:02.15 | PaulFertser | Lantizia: 3G support was unlikely anyway. |
| 11:02.33 | PaulFertser | Lantizia: and you can get 3G support with gta02 via a usb dongle. |
| 11:03.13 | dns53 | has anyone tried 3g via dongle? |
| 11:03.43 | PaulFertser | dns53: sure |
| 11:03.52 | soltys | dns53: afair dos1|away tryed |
| 11:03.57 | PaulFertser | dns53: many did and everybody succeded. |
| 11:05.10 | dns53 | cool, i'll have to give it a try |
| 11:11.21 | lindi- | dns53: works here |
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| 12:00.30 | jacko1 | anyone experience with devirginator? get some strange behaviour |
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| 13:04.37 | methril | hi |
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| 13:07.24 | methril | hi |
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| 13:16.21 | agg1n | damn i just did opkg upgrade and now the terminal is full of "opkg: fork failed", do i have to worry? |
| 13:17.49 | SpeedEvil | opkg runs out of RAM if you do that |
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| 13:45.58 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 14:18.44 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * re28293078134 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/Makefile: org.freesmartphone.PIM: add files about Call domain to Makefile |
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| 14:32.24 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r4edf8375dceb 10/ (40 files in 2 dirs): specs: add missing PIM specs and regenerate |
| 14:36.02 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r63ea4761f19c 10/html/index.html: index.html: fix typo in fixing typo :) |
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| 14:46.55 | jaj | shr-unstable doesn't mux gsm and gprs, right? |
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| 14:52.15 | ssweeny | sure it does |
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| 14:53.04 | jaj | ok, because I couldn't phone after I used gprs |
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| 15:08.06 | dos1 | jaj: thar's bug then |
| 15:08.12 | dos1 | s/ar/at/ |
| 15:08.44 | jaj | dos1: yeah but bugs don't puzzle me anymore :) |
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| 15:19.56 | ndnihil | anyone familiar with the Samsung SPH-i700? |
| 15:20.00 | agg1n | is there an alternative to pidgin if i want to use icq on freerunner? |
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| 15:31.22 | valos | agg1n: centerim ?? |
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| 18:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | agg1n: xchat |
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| 18:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | jacko1 asked about *devirginator* :-o. WTF? |
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| 18:14.46 | Yuki | Who's work is this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream |
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| 18:23.14 | argiris | keyboard only have letters.where is backspace?is it a bug?(sometime button option&back are missing) |
| 18:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~kbd |
| 18:24.04 | apt | Keytable files and keyboard utilities. URL: ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/utils/kbd/ |
| 18:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, |
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| 18:27.35 | argiris | apt 550 failed to change directory |
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| 18:37.40 | Andre613 | hi gang. Running shr-unstable here, and I was wondering if anyone had luck with getting intone-video to work. |
| 18:37.51 | ndnihil | funny you should mention that |
| 18:38.02 | ndnihil | there's a stream of unmet dependencies |
| 18:38.05 | ndnihil | all libs |
| 18:38.23 | ndnihil | you can symlink the newer libs to the older names and the player will start |
| 18:38.26 | ndnihil | but it wont play video |
| 18:38.38 | ndnihil | and does not offer any sort of useful feedback as to why it wont |
| 18:38.49 | Andre613 | sweet! ;) |
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| 18:39.28 | ndnihil | I'm writing another zenity script that will list videos in my vid dir, and launch mplayer(with glamo patch) |
| 18:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: sounds useful :) |
| 18:40.11 | ndnihil | quicker than CLI, and I don't keep many videos on my phones |
| 18:40.53 | ndnihil | had just tried intone-video last night |
| 18:41.06 | ndnihil | spent 30+ minutes dicking around to get it to start |
| 18:41.13 | ndnihil | then it wont play anything |
| 18:42.10 | samgee | I can't get a network in latest shr-unstable |
| 18:42.13 | ndnihil | and no offense to raster, but a full blown desktop environment is not a good match to the gta02 hardware |
| 18:42.29 | ndnihil | a dozen or more deps just for a simple gui? |
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| 19:11.19 | PaulFertser | Hi, sorry for offtopic but can any native speaker explain why the user is primarily reffered as "she" in the manuals and howtos? |
| 19:13.50 | dos1 | PaulFertser: where? ;x |
| 19:14.32 | PaulFertser | dos1: everywhere :D |
| 19:14.39 | dos1 | PaulFertser: i didn't notice ;x |
| 19:14.48 | Yuki | to make it more female friendly so we can get laid? |
| 19:14.50 | kirun | http://xkcd.com/145/ |
| 19:15.32 | PaulFertser | Yuki: unlikely, as women we often want are not fond of reading man pages :( |
| 19:15.44 | badcloud_ | ha |
| 19:15.46 | Yuki | :D |
| 19:15.48 | Yuki | haha |
| 19:16.13 | PaulFertser | And those who do read the man pages are rarely of interest :D |
| 19:16.16 | Yuki | haha |
| 19:16.34 | PaulFertser | (Hey, i still hope i'll meet someone tomorrow who'll prove me wrong) |
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| 19:16.57 | kirun | ... and people making that kind of joke scares off women anyway, of interest or not |
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| 19:18.58 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: hi. please have a look at our new beta map: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm4.php |
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| 19:19.33 | Yuki | PaulFertser, i'm sitting here compiling random linux images and such trying to get things to work with a naked woman in my bed next to me. it happens. XD |
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| 19:20.23 | PaulFertser | Yuki: ahaha you're a bad boy |
| 19:20.36 | Yuki | i'm trying to put real linux on my cellphone, actually |
| 19:20.37 | Yuki | ;D |
| 19:21.40 | kirun | I keep an USB stick that snapped to bits around as a warning to the other hardware |
| 19:21.59 | kirun | Now everything works perfectly |
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| 19:36.19 | Andre613 | is there a way to disable auto screen dimming from the command line? I'm hoping to write a quick and dirty bash script to play video |
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| 19:48.08 | PaulFertser | onen|openBmap: Cool stuff indeed! :) |
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| 19:49.12 | ndnihil | easiest way to get a right click in shr? |
| 19:49.15 | PaulFertser | onen|openBmap: now everybody can find out where i'm hanging around :) |
| 19:49.38 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: sometimes POI disapear, we don't know why. That's the reason it is still labeled: beta |
| 19:49.46 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: right :-) |
| 19:50.19 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: hello! I have a problem with uploading data... |
| 19:50.33 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I've registered on the site |
| 19:50.34 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: :-( |
| 19:50.38 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: yes |
| 19:50.58 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: filled login and password in openBmap |
| 19:51.15 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: but still I |
| 19:51.22 | tomcatek | 'm getting error messages |
| 19:51.35 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: are you behind a proxy? |
| 19:52.00 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: that's not a network problem |
| 19:52.10 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I've checkeg that |
| 19:52.17 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: ok. sorry. of course. I am getting tired ;-) |
| 19:52.36 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: tried wifi, GPRS and getting the same error |
| 19:52.46 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: stupid question, but: are you 100% sure of your loging/password? |
| 19:53.45 | tomcatek | there are no stupid questions :] |
| 19:53.54 | tomcatek | well.. |
| 19:53.57 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I |
| 19:54.27 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I've retyped them few times, but now I made it one again |
| 19:55.02 | Meomer | for which devices is openbmap tracking available now? |
| 19:56.51 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: and still no luck? could you email me your login, I'll ask Nick to resend you your password |
| 19:57.08 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 19:57.15 | onen|openBmap | hey, a new (beta) cell browsing interface on our website: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm4.php |
| 19:57.29 | tomcatek | how to say that... |
| 19:58.06 | tomcatek | everything always starts to work, while trying to solve a problem with a right person :) |
| 19:58.12 | tomcatek | Murphy |
| 19:58.17 | tomcatek | Murphy's law :] |
| 19:59.14 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: no no, I am just very (*very*) good at fixing things ;-) |
| 19:59.20 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 19:59.47 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: and Your speciality are long distance repairs? ;) |
| 20:00.05 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: ;-) |
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| 20:00.31 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: so works fine now? maybe was a trailing space or sth ? |
| 20:00.53 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: works OK |
| 20:01.20 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: dunno what wos wrong.. I've retyped everything like usual... |
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| 20:03.01 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: good. usually, cells get processed once a day. a couple of ours after the twitter message that you sent cells |
| 20:03.20 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: http://twitter.com/openBmap |
| 20:03.39 | Meomer | interesting there's already been zones recorded here in zurich |
| 20:03.54 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: then you can see the changes in your stats on our website together with the new interface I have pointed above, to see the location of the cells you have brought :-) |
| 20:03.56 | Meomer | mostly along main car routes i think though, maybe someone on transit |
| 20:05.46 | onen|openBmap | Meomer: yes the most difficult is to get cells in cities... because we are not many, and we drive on highways |
| 20:07.04 | PaulFertser | onen|openBmap: btw, for most usecases collecting cell information for _one's_ typical places (work, home, cinema theatres etc) is enough. |
| 20:07.49 | PaulFertser | Ok, not most, but many. |
| 20:07.54 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: no. if we build a map. then you don't even need to collect cells + gps. you will just remind that this pack of cells is work, or home, etc. |
| 20:08.16 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: I see it as two different aspects |
| 20:08.23 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: collection. and use |
| 20:08.31 | onen|openBmap | PaulFertser: got to go |
| 20:08.39 | onen|openBmap | bye everyone |
| 20:08.55 | PaulFertser | onen|openBmap: good luck, bye :) |
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| 20:17.04 | argiris | the coreutils-lacale packages just adding encoding support right?They doesn't change app names or system output? |
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| 20:33.00 | argiris | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.09 | argiris | ^why? |
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| 20:35.07 | PaulFertser | argiris: om2008 is old deprecated shit, that's why |
| 20:36.16 | argiris | <PaulFertser> what os do you suggesting? |
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| 20:38.37 | PaulFertser | argiris: SHR or OM2009 |
| 20:38.45 | PaulFertser | argiris: i use Debian :D |
| 20:40.16 | argiris | <PaulFertser> wich has wifi,bluetooth,gps ready (for A7)? |
| 20:40.47 | PaulFertser | argiris: depends on what you call "ready" |
| 20:41.26 | argiris | <PaulFertser> make some config files,write some code but....it will work |
| 20:42.27 | PaulFertser | argiris: i think it's roughly the same as in om2008. Probably wifi should be more stable due to the new kernel. Bluetooth is bluez4 so you might face some compatibility issues with bluez3-specific apps. |
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