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| 01:57.54 | KenYoung | DOes anyone know which repositories are best to use for compatibility with SHR? |
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| 02:30.55 | Akuw | hi |
| 02:31.16 | Akuw | what is the procedure to install debian on OPneMoko |
| 02:31.37 | ndnihil | wiki has instructions |
| 02:31.59 | ndnihil | or a link to instructions, on the debian wiki |
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| 04:01.27 | Akuw | FreeRuner have GPS? |
| 04:01.36 | Akuw | but needs an antenna? |
| 04:03.58 | KenYoung | Akuw, There is an internal antena, which works perfectly well. But an external antenna can be attached for improved performance. |
| 04:04.26 | KenYoung | Akuw, GPS works quite well, in my opinion. |
| 04:04.26 | Akuw | hummm, very good |
| 04:04.41 | Akuw | i can't wait to buy it |
| 04:05.08 | KenYoung | Akuw, It's one of the most popular features (GPS), so there are quite a few apps for bicycling, etc. |
| 04:05.40 | Akuw | what about WIFI? |
| 04:06.13 | Akuw | and what CPU have? |
| 04:06.25 | KenYoung | Akuw, It has WiFi too. In the past, and even now on certain software stacks, WiFi took a lot of fiddling to get going. |
| 04:06.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Akuw: you should look at the specs page... |
| 04:06.47 | KenYoung | Akuw, I find that WiFi works pretty well with the SHR stack. |
| 04:07.08 | Akuw | is a 400Mhz |
| 04:07.14 | Digital-Pioneer | Someone care to test my SMS-sentry for me? |
| 04:07.35 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, What to you need for your test? |
| 04:07.41 | Digital-Pioneer | It seems Gmail has lost send/recv of SMS again. :( |
| 04:07.58 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: Someone to send me a text and see if you get a response. |
| 04:08.30 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, I'll be happy to send you an SMS message, if that's what you want. I'll need a phone number, of course. |
| 04:08.36 | Digital-Pioneer | Yup. |
| 04:11.17 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, Sent. |
| 04:11.22 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: Got it |
| 04:11.36 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, Ain't technology grand? |
| 04:11.38 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: Now we see if it gets a fix and sends you my location. :) |
| 04:12.07 | Akuw | fr |
| 04:12.23 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: fso-gpsd running. :) It must be working. |
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| 04:13.06 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, I've received no message yet. |
| 04:13.15 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: I have no fix yet. |
| 04:14.48 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: I'm in a building now, I'm going to step outside and try to get a fix. |
| 04:15.10 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, OK |
| 04:18.43 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: Get a message? I got a fix. |
| 04:18.59 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, Very Cool! I got your position. I hope you write up how you did that, and post it on the Wiki (or somewhere). |
| 04:19.18 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: Just install sms-sentry from opkg.org. :D |
| 04:19.32 | Digital-Pioneer | KenYoung: What were the co-ordinates? |
| 04:19.42 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, I'd never heard of that. I'll give it a try too. |
| 04:19.56 | KenYoung | Digital-Pioneer, I'll switch private |
| 04:20.00 | Digital-Pioneer | OK |
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| 04:50.03 | brian_ | http://www.slackware.com/ |
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| 06:14.34 | Darkas | hi |
| 06:14.46 | Darkas | is anybody there this early time? |
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| 07:12.27 | Darkas1 | I'm having a small problem with X in landscape mode. When roteted, my neo makes a annoying beep noise. is this a known problem with solution? |
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| 07:23.27 | Q-Master | Darkas1: never seen this. what rotation prog do you use? |
| 07:23.48 | Darkas1 | Q-Master, it happens with any program |
| 07:23.59 | Darkas1 | even when I rotate with xranrd |
| 07:24.02 | Darkas1 | xrandr |
| 07:25.02 | Q-Master | funny |
| 07:25.08 | Q-Master | never seen this before |
| 07:25.42 | Darkas1 | I have that on any distro |
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| 07:27.53 | Darkas1 | Q-Master, what distro do you run? |
| 07:28.05 | Q-Master | SHR unstable for now |
| 07:28.57 | Darkas1 | hm, how recent? |
| 07:29.20 | Q-Master | today's update |
| 07:29.40 | Darkas1 | I've read that's a kernel problem in the mailing lists so if I use the same kernel as you do it should work ;) |
| 07:30.10 | Q-Master | Suppose so. And what is your distro? |
| 07:30.20 | Darkas1 | gentoo |
| 07:30.34 | Darkas1 | but I had this on shr and om too |
| 07:31.09 | Q-Master | this might be a bug of a kernel. I never met it |
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| 07:31.56 | Darkas1 | ok |
| 07:32.07 | Darkas1 | do you use the recent shr kernel? |
| 07:33.08 | Q-Master | yep. just updated a few minutes ago |
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| 07:41.20 | PaulFertser | Psi: an alternative would be to build a wiggler-style jtag adapter |
| 07:41.46 | PaulFertser | Psi: even more easy (takes less time, less components to source etc) |
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| 07:44.58 | PaulFertser | Psi: http://winarm.scienceprog.com/arm-development-tools/jtag-wiggler-clone-for-arm-microcontrollers.html |
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| 07:48.41 | PaulFertser | Psi: or as an alternative you can build a usb one http://www.hs-augsburg.de/~hhoegl/proj/usbjtag/usbjtag.html |
| 07:49.24 | PaulFertser | Psi: or but i think for your purposes it'd be the easiest to find a parallel port and one buffer IC, after all you want to only flash bootloader. |
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| 08:10.33 | Darkas1 | Q-Master, I'm running a few days old shr but I have that problem too... |
| 08:10.44 | Darkas1 | when rotated with xrandr -o 1 for example |
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| 08:17.05 | Q-Master | I'll try a bit later |
| 08:17.47 | PaulFertser | Darkas1: it's known problem with unknown solution |
| 08:18.08 | PaulFertser | Darkas1: i've tried switching everything except for bootloader. What bootloader do you use? |
| 08:18.16 | Darkas1 | PaulFertser, qi |
| 08:18.54 | Darkas1 | I haven't tried it on qt extended yet, maybe it works there because it doesn't use x? |
| 08:19.02 | PaulFertser | Darkas1: latest? I remember i didn't have the noise when i was using Qi in December, but now i do have the noise with any kernel (including some old .24). So the only possible difference i see is the bootloader. |
| 08:19.24 | Darkas1 | PaulFertser, not really |
| 08:19.46 | Darkas1 | I don't remember when I flashed it, maybe in january |
| 08:20.17 | PaulFertser | Darkas1: i very much suspect that it's hardware problem that sits undiscovered until some time passes... |
| 08:20.41 | Darkas1 | but there are some people that don't have that problem |
| 08:21.22 | PaulFertser | Darkas1: it suggests hardware to me too. |
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| 09:01.06 | azaghal | Which problem? I've joined a bit late. |
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| 09:35.27 | Psi | PaulFertser: that winarm thing, what sort of software would i need to program gta01 using it? |
| 09:35.31 | Psi | would i have to write my own? |
| 09:36.06 | Psi | <- knows stuff all about jtag and gta01 nand programming |
| 09:36.23 | PaulFertser | Psi: of course not, just openocd is enough. |
| 09:36.28 | Psi | cool |
| 09:37.00 | Psi | ok, well thats even easier than that other built debugboard i was looking at |
| 09:37.11 | Psi | built-in |
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| 09:37.31 | PaulFertser | Psi: sure, if you need to only flash the bootloader. |
| 09:37.57 | PaulFertser | Psi: btw, i can tell you i was feeling awful after i burned my portable mp3 player because of my mistake. |
| 09:38.28 | PaulFertser | Psi: i thought that probably i shouldn't drive a car or do any responsible work even. Felt so fucking stupid :-/ |
| 09:38.38 | PaulFertser | Psi: so you're not alone in doing stupid things ;) |
| 09:38.44 | Psi | heh |
| 09:38.46 | Psi | thanks |
| 09:39.00 | Psi | i still not know why it happened |
| 09:39.09 | Psi | not=dont |
| 09:39.46 | SpeedEvil | Another choice would be to send it to someone wwith a debug board, but I don't know of any innz |
| 09:39.52 | Psi | yeah |
| 09:39.54 | PaulFertser | Psi: i can't imagine why you decided to mount mtdblock0... |
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| 09:40.33 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i think building a wiggler clone is easier and faster than sending. |
| 09:40.45 | Psi | i flashed nand rootfs and kernal and when it booted kernel said it couldnt find the rootfs |
| 09:41.03 | Psi | so i decided id boot from sd and have a look at the fstab in the nand |
| 09:41.06 | Psi | see what was in it |
| 09:41.17 | Psi | but id never mounted nand rootfs from sd before |
| 09:42.02 | Psi | from sd = from linux running on sd |
| 09:42.36 | Psi | so i didnt really know what to mount |
| 09:42.38 | PaulFertser | Psi: now it's obvious for you that the bootloader is in the beginning... |
| 09:43.06 | Psi | so which number is the bootloader mtdblock0-4 ? |
| 09:43.20 | Psi | and which is the rootfs |
| 09:43.26 | Psi | for future reference |
| 09:43.40 | SpeedEvil | 0 AIUI |
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| 09:44.00 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't have thought just mounting it would kill it |
| 09:44.13 | Psi | yeah, thats why i cant see why it happenend |
| 09:47.11 | Psi | but it did take quite a while to mount, maybe 8 seconds |
| 09:47.18 | Psi | which is unusual |
| 09:47.30 | Psi | so im guessing whatever went wrong happened in those seconds |
| 09:48.20 | Psi | if i can unbrick it with that winarm circuit and openocd ill be happy |
| 09:49.24 | PaulFertser | I can't seem to register to any network without sim though it should be possible to make SOS calls :-/ Hm, trying to gather more info for openbmap... |
| 09:50.07 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 09:50.25 | Psi | goes to do stuff |
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| 09:50.44 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember jff h unuul behviour bout the uperblock - which i t the end of te F |
| 09:50.46 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 09:50.49 | SpeedEvil | keby |
| 09:51.07 | Wonka | unusual input method? ;) |
| 09:51.21 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 11:24.31 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r44c7e7667556 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: make queries with _limit higher than amount of reslts working |
| 11:24.32 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6133a62b3a5d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: remove unnecessary transformations. Should speed up a litle quering. |
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| 12:22.12 | sriranjan | #openmoko-devel |
| 12:22.40 | sriranjan | hey |
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| 12:22.58 | sriranjan | i want to join the open-moko devel channel and a key is being asked for |
| 12:23.02 | sriranjan | could some one tell me how |
| 12:23.14 | sriranjan | i am having problems with building the image (newbie) |
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| 12:24.56 | jlmoko | sriranjan: go to openmoko-cdevel |
| 12:25.09 | sriranjan | done |
| 12:25.11 | sriranjan | thanks |
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| 13:17.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07artwork * rb03e4fa763fc 10/sounds/LICENSE: Remove unnecessary LICENCE file (has only information about already removed ringtone) |
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| 13:23.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07artwork * r3a4767ec0198 10/sounds/notify_message.mp3: Remove notify_message.mp3 file |
| 13:28.42 | pabs3 | anyone know why the wireless device on a FR doesn't get created with SHR (http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090703-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz)? |
| 13:29.31 | mickeyl | is the resource requested? |
| 13:30.52 | pabs3 | ar6000 module gets loaded, not sure what you mean by that |
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| 13:31.12 | pabs3 | boots it up again |
| 13:32.06 | mickeyl | on FSO-based distributions, wifi does not appear enabled by default |
| 13:32.16 | mickeyl | instead, one has to specifically request this resource |
| 13:32.34 | mickeyl | this can be done via dbus or -- so i believe -- with shr settings |
| 13:32.34 | pabs3 | oh, turn on the chip or something? |
| 13:34.58 | pabs3 | aha, thanks |
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| 13:40.18 | WoLKoLaK | All greetings |
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| 14:00.20 | Darkas | hi |
| 14:00.37 | Darkas | is there a pdf reader that can do finger scrolling? |
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| 14:13.27 | pabs3 | oh, yay, white screen of death |
| 14:13.39 | pabs3 | thought that was fixed |
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| 15:32.00 | Darkas | is there any leightweight pdf reader with finger scrolling? |
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| 15:40.41 | pabs3 | anyone know how to manually set an illume preference in the binary config files? for some reason the SHR GUI won't let me set autosuspend on |
| 15:44.59 | Darkas | I only know ePDFView but I rather want to use a EFL based reader... is there anything? |
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| 15:48.04 | pabs3 | this says there is epdf, no idea where to get it or if it works: http://polishlinux.org/apps/window-managers/e17-as-a-desktop-dont-try-this-at-home/ |
| 15:48.40 | azaghal | epdfview? |
| 15:50.55 | Darkas | hm, I think I'll try both ;) |
| 15:51.13 | Darkas | but epdfview isn't EFL based, it's gtk and poppler |
| 15:51.46 | dos1 | pabs3: it looks like bug, and isn't related to illume |
| 15:52.07 | dos1 | pabs3: remove OcuppyResource(CPU) when charging in your /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml |
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| 16:00.02 | pabs3 | dos1: great, thanks |
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| 16:00.29 | dos1 | i've updated opimd wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd |
| 16:00.46 | dos1 | maybe it'll be usable for someone |
| 16:01.05 | KenYoung | dos1, Thanks! |
| 16:04.23 | pabs3 | what apps in shr are useful when travelling? |
| 16:04.54 | pabs3 | well, ones not installed by default |
| 16:05.25 | ndnihil | navit supposedly does routing (GPS/map type), but I never got it to work |
| 16:06.08 | ndnihil | so in practice for me, it was no better than tangogps |
| 16:06.14 | ndnihil | but you might have better luck |
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| 16:15.06 | pabs3 | I had similar luck on my Debian laptop |
| 16:17.20 | walkie | what to check if midpath exits on fso just after start? |
| 16:18.54 | PaulFertser | walkie: strace output? |
| 16:19.41 | ndnihil | ps auxwww |grep midpath |
| 16:19.45 | ndnihil | if it's not running, it exited |
| 16:19.47 | ndnihil | :) |
| 16:24.07 | walkie | i'm not very experienced, but i add -verbose:jni to java command line - there was own exit calls last lines |
| 16:25.24 | walkie | not famillar with strace |
| 16:26.12 | PaulFertser | Ah, that's some java-app... |
| 16:27.35 | walkie | MIDPath is a Java library which provides a MIDP2 implementation and can be used together with the CLDC version of the Cacao to provide an alternative implementation of CLDC/MIDP. |
| 16:28.31 | walkie | i'm attempting to get some java functionality |
| 16:28.32 | PaulFertser | walkie: does it run on your PC? |
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| 16:29.15 | walkie | PaulFertser, not tried it on PC |
| 16:29.31 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: any idea what would cause "mv: cannot move `apt' to `apt-old': Device or resource busy" when lsof |grep apt shows nothing open? |
| 16:29.43 | PaulFertser | walkie: FR is just a GNU/Linux computer, nothing special (except that it's arm-based) about it. |
| 16:29.57 | ndnihil | (in /var/cache) |
| 16:31.04 | walkie | i'm very java novice, just found what most mobile java apps did not run with normal java (no function marked main) and i'm trying to run it somewhere |
| 16:31.19 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: hm, probably you need to look for lsof |grep cache instead... Other than that, no idea... |
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| 16:31.32 | ndnihil | same with grepping for cache |
| 16:31.35 | ndnihil | tried that too |
| 16:31.44 | ndnihil | well |
| 16:31.46 | ndnihil | nothing relevant to that |
| 16:32.13 | cgray | hi, i just put shr on my fr, what do i do to change the volume of things? |
| 16:32.16 | ndnihil | was going to simlink /var/cache/apt over to uSD so I could dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.21 | cgray | the wiki is not too helpful :) |
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| 16:33.16 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i mean if the directory itself is "opened" it might block any operations on that directory, though i'm not sure. |
| 16:33.25 | PaulFertser | cgray: by editing the statefiles? |
| 16:33.45 | ndnihil | yeah my thoughts too, but wouldn't that show up in lsof? unless there's a bug but that seems unlikely |
| 16:33.56 | cgray | PaulFertser: the ones in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios ? |
| 16:34.09 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it will, strange... |
| 16:34.13 | cgray | PaulFertser: how do i know what are good values? |
| 16:34.36 | PaulFertser | cgray: use alsamixer, tweak to your liking, use alsactl store -f some.state |
| 16:34.51 | cgray | PaulFertser: ok, thanks |
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| 16:37.47 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: are you sure apt is not symlink currently? |
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| 16:38.03 | ndnihil | yup |
| 16:38.11 | ndnihil | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 40 Jul 11 12:30 apt |
| 16:40.58 | ndnihil | and now it's showing up as empty |
| 16:41.11 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: are you sure nothing is mounted there? |
| 16:41.47 | ndnihil | ah |
| 16:41.48 | ndnihil | doh |
| 16:41.49 | ndnihil | tmpfs |
| 16:41.51 | ndnihil | good call |
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| 17:17.27 | ndnihil | shit |
| 17:17.33 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.32 | ndnihil | which reminds me, why did they go with only 256M of flash? |
| 17:19.48 | ndnihil | and has anyone done an upgrade? |
| 17:19.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you mean internal flash? |
| 17:20.03 | ndnihil | oh right its internal |
| 17:20.33 | pabs3 | get a uSD card |
| 17:20.36 | ndnihil | have one |
| 17:20.39 | ndnihil | using it |
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| 17:20.56 | ndnihil | but this particular dist is rather porky, and is installed to flash |
| 17:21.29 | pabs3 | I avoid using the internal flash for anything other than a backup/recovery system |
| 17:22.10 | ndnihil | probably a good idea |
| 17:22.24 | ndnihil | I've just been using uSD for backups and home dir |
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| 17:53.54 | zear | hey guys |
| 17:54.46 | zear | is there a way i can get a better scrolling through menu in SHR? it's a bit annoying that when i press the screen to move the app lits, it occasionally launches the apps instead of scroll the list |
| 17:55.18 | ndnihil | you can set fingerscroll sensitivity to lower |
| 17:55.21 | ndnihil | it's pretty high by default |
| 17:55.47 | ndnihil | changing the engine my help too, I've had mixed results with xrender and software_16 |
| 17:57.08 | zear | oh yeah, i've set it to low and it works much better now |
| 17:57.09 | zear | thanks |
| 17:57.16 | ndnihil | no problem |
| 17:57.17 | zear | will try to change the engine too |
| 17:57.37 | ndnihil | s/my help/might help/ |
| 17:58.05 | zear | oh, one more thing.. is it normal that phone apps (contact list, phone logs) crash sometimes? |
| 17:58.10 | zear | i use a stable SHR |
| 17:58.30 | ndnihil | on some releases yes |
| 17:58.43 | zear | it crashed for me on newest unstable too |
| 17:58.47 | ndnihil | might want to try a more recent unstable |
| 17:58.49 | ndnihil | ah |
| 17:58.59 | ndnihil | I was using an unstable release from a month or so ago |
| 17:59.03 | ndnihil | it worked pretty good |
| 17:59.09 | zear | will try that |
| 17:59.12 | ndnihil | flashed to neovento the other night |
| 18:00.17 | zear | hmm.. this looks much more lightweight than SHR |
| 18:00.35 | ndnihil | it is in some respects |
| 18:00.41 | ndnihil | but uses a lot of flash |
| 18:00.50 | ndnihil | earlier today I started an upgrade and ran out of space |
| 18:01.03 | ndnihil | so I had to move /var/cache/apt and /usr over to uSD |
| 18:01.11 | zear | and what about keeping the rootfs on an sd card? |
| 18:01.14 | ndnihil | just finishing that up now |
| 18:01.20 | zear | won't the suspend damage the filesystem? |
| 18:01.27 | ndnihil | shouldn't |
| 18:01.47 | ndnihil | I tried a debian install on uSD but it wouldn't boot for some reason |
| 18:01.55 | ndnihil | neovento is debian+fso |
| 18:02.47 | ndnihil | I use debian on most of my hosts, so I'm trying to head that direction for the phone too |
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| 18:54.24 | pbaxter | hello all |
| 18:54.33 | pbaxter | when does new image of OM2009 come out? |
| 18:54.58 | ndnihil | "when it's ready" |
| 18:55.04 | ndnihil | would be my guess |
| 18:55.20 | ndnihil | they don't have any set schedule that I'm aware of, but I could be wrong |
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| 19:05.04 | zear | hmm.. a funny thing.. my gps radio is set to off in the SHR gui, but i'm still getting a 3d fix |
| 19:06.09 | zear | i can move away my fr from the window to get a no fix, but when i move it there again, i get a fix, so i believe gps IS working |
| 19:16.51 | PaulFertser | zear: probably some other program is requesting the resource? |
| 19:21.24 | zear | PaulFertser, it is, gps app is running in background :P |
| 19:21.35 | zear | just thought switching it to off means off |
| 19:21.42 | zear | not "off if it's not busy" :P |
| 19:26.06 | zear | oh, and know i'm getting enlightment segfault when i rebooted the device |
| 19:26.09 | zear | this looks bad |
| 19:27.12 | PaulFertser | zear: usually that is cured by rm -rf ~/.e |
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| 19:28.46 | zear | is it caused by something particular? |
| 19:29.00 | zear | this could be fatal with no pc over usb around |
| 19:29.28 | PaulFertser | zear: usually by enabling buggy gadgets. |
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| 19:35.06 | zear | PaulFertser, ah, thanks. removing ~/.e helped. That's some precious knowledge :) |
| 19:35.44 | PaulFertser | zear: i've a ton of that. Still i'm not satisfied with my FR, every time i need it for something, it works suboptimal to say the least. |
| 19:36.00 | pbaxter | PaulFerster: what are you using now? |
| 19:36.04 | pbaxter | which distro? |
| 19:36.05 | zear | :D |
| 19:36.18 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: still Debian |
| 19:37.09 | pbaxter | PaulFerster: which version based on debian? or pure debian (with zhone or other)? |
| 19:38.07 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: i don't use shit "developed" somewhere on forums, so i don't know much about other "distros" based on debian. |
| 19:38.33 | pbaxter | PaulFerster: do you knwo qtmoko? |
| 19:38.37 | pbaxter | debian + QT |
| 19:38.45 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: qt is not for hackers anyway |
| 19:38.57 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: in fact, that's not QT, that's qtopia. |
| 19:38.58 | pbaxter | it's well done and also if it's improved from only 4 people, they work well and fast |
| 19:40.13 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: qtopia was always something for end-users afaik. |
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| 19:41.19 | pbaxter | so what you use debian for? |
| 19:42.25 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: freerunner is my only cellphone and the only electronic device i always carry with me (usually i have a dedicated portable music player with me too). |
| 19:42.59 | pbaxter | but which DE you use? |
| 19:43.01 | pbaxter | illume? |
| 19:43.05 | pbaxter | or matchbox? |
| 19:43.07 | pbaxter | or lxde? |
| 19:43.13 | dos1 | PaulFertser: as I :) |
| 19:44.17 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: illume currently. But the version in Debian has some quite annoying bugs, the most annoying being showing virtual keyboard over the bapp after switching to another desktop. |
| 19:45.13 | PaulFertser | (portable player) there's so much talk around intone; i wonder how come the sound from non-fixed devices is "ok" for so many people? |
| 19:45.54 | PaulFertser | I can't really compare because i bass-fixed it before i tried to listen to anything :D |
| 19:48.06 | pbaxter | PaulFertser: where do you get the bass-fix? |
| 19:48.30 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: please rephrase your question |
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| 19:49.44 | pbaxter | where do you send the FR to have the bass-fix |
| 19:50.20 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: i don't think such a service exists if you mean that |
| 19:50.34 | pbaxter | and you made it by your own hand? |
| 19:50.51 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: yes, sure |
| 19:51.12 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: haven't you seen my brilliant description about that? ;) |
| 19:51.33 | pbaxter | no...where? |
| 19:51.41 | PaulFertser | pbaxter: OM wiki GTA02_bass_fix |
| 19:51.56 | pbaxter | ok...i search for it.. |
| 19:51.59 | pbaxter | thanks Paul |
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| 20:07.39 | Etu | Is there an SHR specific channel? My SHR crashed |
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| 20:08.50 | Weiss | Etu: mostly here, or #openmoko-cdevel for developer talk |
| 20:09.13 | Etu | Weiss: Ok |
| 20:09.27 | Etu | It does not load the icons on the mainscreen |
| 20:09.43 | Etu | and it want me configure it every time I boot it |
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| 20:26.55 | vanous123 | Etu: i had the same thing recently, erase ~/.e and if you cannot, run fsck on the uSD card |
| 20:27.22 | Etu | vanous123: I will try :) |
| 20:27.25 | zear | hehe, seems that rm -Rf ~/.e helps for every problem :D |
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| 20:44.15 | kah | hi |
| 20:45.12 | kah | how can i reenable pidgin icq support? |
| 20:45.31 | PaulFertser | kah: have you considered switching to jabber instead ;) |
| 20:46.03 | Etu | jabber > icq |
| 20:47.05 | kah | hrhr, isnt jabber a complete different network? :) |
| 20:47.39 | Etu | Jep it is, but read about transports |
| 20:47.44 | Etu | Jepp* |
| 20:48.15 | PaulFertser | kah: sure, icq sucks so much that normal persons don't use it anymore |
| 20:48.16 | kah | ^^ |
| 20:48.35 | ndnihil | icq still exists? |
| 20:49.00 | kah | enough! :) |
| 20:49.13 | ndnihil | I'm not joking, I seriously thought it died off |
| 20:49.45 | kah | it is still alive, i think |
| 20:50.19 | kah | btw. irc on fr is a pain ^^ |
| 20:50.34 | ndnihil | anything involving typing a lot on the FR is a pain |
| 20:50.41 | ndnihil | unless you use an external keyboard |
| 20:50.47 | ndnihil | or ssh |
| 20:50.50 | PaulFertser | kah: i've heard that _properly_ configured xchat is ok though |
| 20:50.50 | ndnihil | or vnc |
| 20:50.52 | ndnihil | or whatever |
| 20:51.38 | PaulFertser | kah: probably that properly means borrowing the config from n8x0 |
| 20:52.00 | Etu | Is there a easy way to get swedish keyboard in SHR? |
| 20:52.40 | kah | PaulFertser: ? |
| 20:53.32 | PaulFertser | kah: i suspect that xchat config that is used by default in Maemo is good for FR too. |
| 20:54.01 | kah | oh |
| 20:54.50 | kah | atm im with pidgin irc here (centerim install dies everytime) |
| 20:55.25 | kah | centerim does have irc support too,right? |
| 20:56.01 | PaulFertser | kah: i've tried irssi but i couldn't figure how to easily make it not align long lines (and that'd be nice to have with large font and short lines). |
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| 20:57.36 | kah | now im trying x11vnc, brb :) |
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| 21:11.11 | kah | btw. does anyone knows how to use the "gprsmodem" tool? |
| 21:11.26 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: did you use the "install.sh" script to install debian? |
| 21:11.48 | ndnihil | it's puking when trying to create the partition |
| 21:13.15 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: partially. At the time i installed debian it didn't have Qi support yet. So i performed most steps from the script manually. |
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| 21:14.07 | ndnihil | just called it with all steps but partition |
| 21:14.11 | ndnihil | see if that works |
| 21:14.57 | ndnihil | and apparently didn't partition it correctly before doing so |
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| 21:17.55 | Etu | asks again, is it possible in some easy way to get swedish layout on the Terminal keyboard mode in SHR |
| 21:18.49 | ndnihil | etu: haven't tried it myself, but I think I remember seeing a wiki entry or webpage somewhere that described using alternate language keyboards |
| 21:19.55 | the_bard | Etu: opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/swedish-illume_0.1_armv4t.ipk |
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| 21:22.42 | Etu | the_bard: Hmm, testing :) |
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| 21:53.10 | kah | yeah, x11 vnc works, icq and web via tinyproxy too :) |
| 21:53.17 | kah | slow but usable ^^ |
| 21:55.02 | Etu | kah: I sill recomend Jabber and transports if you want to use ICQ |
| 21:55.36 | kah | ill try it, when im at home :) |
| 21:55.58 | Etu | s/sill/still/ |
| 21:59.52 | thrashold | PyICQt doesn't support file transfers, and I had trouble with contacts and authorizations |
| 22:00.03 | thrashold | I don't know about other transports |
| 22:00.43 | PaulFertser | thrashold: it's like file transfer over IM is a good idea |
| 22:01.26 | thrashold | I don't see why it would be a bad idea |
| 22:03.03 | FiXion_ | when I try install danish-illume pkg from opkg.org it says Terminated suddenly. |
| 22:03.16 | PaulFertser | thrashold: whenever i need to give someone a file i just cp it to the folder that is accessible by an http daemon and pass a link. |
| 22:03.18 | FiXion_ | even though vmstat 1 says I have more than 30M ram available at the time (I killed a lot of apps) |
| 22:03.29 | PaulFertser | thrashold: much more reliable and flexible way |
| 22:04.12 | FiXion_ | and dmesg says nothing (if it was oom - wouldn't there be a dmesg entry?) |
| 22:04.17 | thrashold | PaulFertser: I do the same, usually. But it is less convenient, and doesn't work the other way. |
| 22:04.21 | FiXion_ | any ideas where to look? |
| 22:04.46 | thrashold | (OK, I have file receive CGI, but that's even more inconvenient) |
| 22:05.18 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i have a simple cgi to get files from those who's lazy enough to not do it the other way too. |
| 22:07.17 | thrashold | It's not like dragging a song from your music player to some contact in the IM client (OK, with few modifications, this can put a symlink in a www folder, send a link, and put a cron job to delete the symlink, but, I'm too lazy to write that ) |
| 22:07.32 | thrashold | at job |
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| 22:08.49 | PaulFertser | thrashold: heh, i listen to the music with plain mplayer :D |
| 22:09.16 | thrashold | The drag and drop still works |
| 22:09.31 | thrashold | provided you used full path and such things :D |
| 22:09.35 | PaulFertser | thrashold: btw, take a look here: http://tagoo.ru/ (dedicated search engine that provides direct links to media files) |
| 22:10.27 | thrashold | Now, of course, people I know are lazy. They are lazy to click my link, not to mention what happens when I send somebody an ogg :D |
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| 22:50.02 | kah | wow, gprs really sucks |
| 22:50.19 | KenYoung | kah, In what way? |
| 22:50.27 | KenYoung | 2op "Slowness, I guess." |
| 22:50.33 | kah | its slow :) |
| 22:50.35 | Etu | kah: gprs is great :) |
| 22:50.44 | Etu | Slow is not a problem |
| 22:50.46 | KenYoung | I originally read your message as GPS sucks. sorry. |
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| 22:51.44 | kah | ^^ gps is ok |
| 22:52.34 | thrashold | GPRS is not much slower than SDIO through the Glamo anyway :P |
| 22:54.12 | kah | im not at home atm, and here are only wpa protected wlans, so i have to use my fr`s gprs for my notebook, and it feels like a 11,2baud modem |
| 22:54.26 | KenYoung | On nice thing about gprs is that, at least with T-Mobile in the US, it is effectively free of charge. They do not bother blocking acess by people who are not paying for a data plan. |
| 22:54.54 | FiXion_ | in denmark you're just charged pr. Megabyte |
| 22:55.00 | mjr | that doesn't really mean they don't charge for it insanely by bit... |
| 22:55.04 | FiXion_ | or is it pr. gb |
| 22:55.15 | kah | i have a 1GB "flatrate" via german "simyo" |
| 22:55.27 | KenYoung | mjr, I've looked at my bill. I'm not being charged. |
| 22:55.47 | kah | and it feels lije i dont hit the 1GB wall the next five months |
| 22:56.06 | thrashold | So you should be grateful that it is slow :D |
| 22:56.33 | kah | thrashold: :) |
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| 22:56.56 | ndnihil | at&t/cingular blocks access to ipsec vpn |
| 22:57.09 | ndnihil | that or their infrastructure simply doesn't support it |
| 22:57.57 | kah | hehe |
| 22:58.39 | ndnihil | and that's with unlimited data plan |
| 22:58.53 | ndnihil | for blackberry service |
| 22:59.09 | kah | btw. is voip over grps usable? |
| 22:59.10 | ndnihil | (work gave me a BB 8800, and I swiped the sim for the FR) |
| 22:59.15 | ndnihil | I doubt it |
| 22:59.17 | kah | i dont think so |
| 22:59.38 | ndnihil | wifi will probably do it ok |
| 23:00.10 | KenYoung | I must say I'm *extremely* pleased with the SHR-unstable image I loaded this week. For the very first time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my Freerunner that I am aware of. WiFi works easily, GPRS works easily, suspend is quick and reliable. No audio problems (I got the buzz-fix). |
| 23:00.32 | ndnihil | really? |
| 23:00.37 | FiXion_ | KenYoung: are you connected automaticly to wifi after coming back from suspend? |
| 23:00.40 | ndnihil | what files? I'll grab them |
| 23:00.42 | KenYoung | Yup. I was shocked. |
| 23:00.57 | KenYoung | FiXion_, I have not checked that. |
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| 23:01.57 | KenYoung | ndnihil, July 7 unstable. |
| 23:02.23 | FiXion_ | KenYoung: your shr-messages and shr-contact works after suspend? |
| 23:02.41 | FiXion_ | mine segfaults after first suspend - never to work again, until after reboot :( |
| 23:02.45 | KenYoung | I can now honestly say my Freerunner is more reliable than my Treo 750P (faint praise, I know). |
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| 23:03.43 | KenYoung | FiXion_, Yes. Although I haven't done many suspend/resume tests of those issues. But I've done it at least once or twice. |
| 23:03.46 | ndnihil | not seeing a July 7 |
| 23:04.07 | ndnihil | the 9th? |
| 23:04.08 | KenYoung | ndnihil, Probably already overwritten by something newer. |
| 23:04.18 | the_bard | 10th |
| 23:04.51 | the_bard | ? |
| 23:05.13 | ndnihil | they've still got images from the 3rd |
| 23:05.23 | ndnihil | jumps from 3rd to 9th |
| 23:05.34 | KenYoung | ndnihil, I've got 7th. |
| 23:06.02 | ndnihil | 20090707? |
| 23:06.21 | KenYoung | ndnihil, Yup |
| 23:06.28 | ndnihil | not there |
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| 23:06.34 | KenYoung | zut |
| 23:06.42 | ndnihil | and with my luck, that'll be the only one that works properly :) |
| 23:07.31 | kah | atm im using qtmoko for stable phone usage and shr for hacking :) |
| 23:10.22 | KenYoung | ndnihil, Oh wait, my images are the July 3 images. I just downloaded them on the 7th. Sorry. |
| 23:10.31 | ndnihil | ah |
| 23:10.38 | ndnihil | cool, I'll grab those |
| 23:10.40 | ndnihil | thanks |
| 23:11.20 | KenYoung | ndnihil, Please let me know if you see problems that I have missed. |
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| 23:13.22 | the_bard | that was a disconcerting experience. |
| 23:15.25 | kah | hmm, but i didnt solved my "pidgin-doesnt-connects-to-icq-network" problem |
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| 23:24.31 | ndnihil | uh oh |
| 23:24.35 | ndnihil | I broked it |
| 23:24.42 | ndnihil | it's in a boot loop |
| 23:25.03 | ndnihil | OM logo, white screen, dark, OM logo, white screen, dark, etc... |
| 23:26.04 | ndnihil | I guess that's what I get for using the uboot update script |
| 23:26.07 | ndnihil | and not doing it manually |
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| 23:29.36 | kah | hehe |
| 23:29.53 | kah | i switched to qi again |
| 23:30.22 | ndnihil | havent tried qi |
| 23:30.32 | ndnihil | from what I hear it's not very configurable |
| 23:30.37 | ndnihil | but fast |
| 23:30.44 | ndnihil | does it cope with booting from uSD? |
| 23:30.51 | kah | qi just boots, not more :) |
| 23:31.01 | kah | it boots from usd by default |
| 23:31.10 | ndnihil | can you tell it to boot flash? |
| 23:31.46 | kah | you can add a "noboot" file for usd, than it boots from flash (how i understand it :) ) |
| 23:32.05 | ndnihil | what if uSD is not present |
| 23:32.19 | kah | flash |
| 23:32.59 | kah | the boot priority is afaik: usd1 usd2 usd3 flash |
| 23:36.02 | kah | http://wiwiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 23:36.15 | kah | s/wiwiki/wiki/ |
| 23:36.18 | ndnihil | just downloaded it and going to try |
| 23:36.57 | kah | good luck! :> |
| 23:38.12 | ndnihil | well its booting something |
| 23:38.22 | ndnihil | not sure if its debian from uSD or neovento from flash |
| 23:39.02 | kah | read the "Files" section, there you can see the "skip partition" files |
| 23:40.13 | kah | /boot/noboot-GTA02 |
| 23:40.32 | ndnihil | I've got boot and / on separate partitions |
| 23:40.38 | ndnihil | wonder how it's going to like that |
| 23:41.16 | kah | then i dont know :) |
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| 23:41.59 | kah | i dont have a boot partition (exept the first usd partition) |
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| 23:43.18 | rooly | is loving qi's resume speed |
| 23:43.20 | rooly | is also loving how qtmokov3 works just so darned well |
| 23:44.29 | kah | rooly: did you try the x4 version? |
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| 23:48.33 | rooly | not yet, but i'm thinking about it |
| 23:48.59 | rooly | sorta warry about using an experimental one |
| 23:52.05 | kah | it was unusable for me :( |
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