| 00:01.19 | _ABC | flippin through files |
| 00:02.22 | SpeedEvil | Also - linux kernel can vastly reduce dev times |
| 00:02.57 | _ABC | LPC2362 is 7.57, with USB , ethernet, and such goodies |
| 00:03.10 | SpeedEvil | Also half the speed |
| 00:03.57 | _ABC | lol yes |
| 00:04.05 | _ABC | i just noticed |
| 00:04.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that's got external mmemory either |
| 00:04.48 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 00:04.51 | _ABC | probably not..but its a compact SoC |
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| 00:06.44 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 00:07.01 | SpeedEvil | But not one that'd work for a linux phone |
| 00:07.27 | _ABC | agreed |
| 00:07.31 | ndnihil | raster mentioned one that sounded pretty nice |
| 00:07.35 | ndnihil | can't remember the name though |
| 00:08.29 | SpeedEvil | the one int he abovementioned beagleboard |
| 00:08.39 | SpeedEvil | Or one in that family |
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| 08:07.22 | PaulFertser | Defiant-: ROFL |
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| 08:17.44 | Defiant- | aah found the homepage http://www.theisnort.com/isnort.html and lol who is paying for that? |
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| 08:31.26 | PaulFertser | Defiant-: you know i once found a comparision of behaviour of cocain-addicted monkeys to heroin-addicted. That of cocain-addicted was considerably worse. Can't find a prooflink atm. |
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| 08:38.35 | azaghal | You know that Neo has become the world's first Free Software vibrator as well, right? :) |
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| 08:45.17 | CVirus | This channel used to have 400+ users :-( |
| 08:48.28 | Guest76203 | I guess that isa good thing |
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| 08:51.47 | beer__ | unless 400 is not enough |
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| 08:58.16 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 13:16.12 | PaulFertser | GTA01 users! I need your feedback! What are you currently using to estimate battery charge level? Were you satisfied with bogus linear scale from .24 times? Do you have better ideas? |
| 13:16.59 | SpeedEvil | I had a patch |
| 13:17.02 | SpeedEvil | but I lost it |
| 13:17.18 | SpeedEvil | it was a simple interpretation of battvolts to % for APM |
| 13:17.20 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: a decent one? ;) |
| 13:17.28 | SpeedEvil | moderately |
| 13:17.34 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: linear scale? |
| 13:17.36 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 13:17.58 | PaulFertser | Where did you get the information about discharge curve? |
| 13:18.05 | PaulFertser | Measured yourself? |
| 13:18.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html |
| 13:18.26 | SpeedEvil | or similar |
| 13:18.55 | SpeedEvil | plus I think a impedence term from measuring voltage during vibrator - I forget the details |
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| 13:19.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: but you know that implementing such things in kernel space (except for apm emulation) is considered to be wrong by power_supply_class designers? |
| 13:19.49 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 13:20.14 | SpeedEvil | It's a trivial 5 point linear function, with interpolation |
| 13:21.02 | SpeedEvil | It was a couple of dozen lines of code. |
| 13:23.18 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the policy is to expose from power_supply only the values measured (or read from control chip) directly. Still i think we have to implement it as userspace got used to have some estimate. |
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| 13:23.43 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: great thanks for the graphs! |
| 13:25.53 | SpeedEvil | All li-ions pretty much follow those. As the cells age, the ESR rises,and the '0.5C' graph may come to look more like the 1C graph |
| 13:26.41 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: do i understand it right that 1C current for 1000mAh cell is 1000mA? |
| 13:26.43 | SpeedEvil | Having said that - even a linear interpretation from 4.1-3.5 or so isn't horrible. |
| 13:26.44 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 13:26.50 | Karla | www.moneypenet.piczo.com |
| 13:27.02 | SpeedEvil | 1C = discharge in one hour - 5C = discharge in 1/5 hours |
| 13:27.22 | SpeedEvil | (nominally - it's less than that as higher current has more losses) |
| 13:28.03 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: ok, got it. |
| 13:28.30 | Karla | 4www.moneypenet.piczo.com |
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| 15:38.39 | |Marco| | what's happened to dbus in latest shr? what's the new "method" of usage ? I need to do some recoding on a few of my applications, but I can't get far without knowing how it's done :/ |
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| 15:45.22 | lysgaard | How do i autoload a module at startup? |
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| 16:12.26 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: probably it has support to load modules mentioned in /etc/modules |
| 16:13.24 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: or put a file in /etc/modules.d |
| 16:14.44 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Ah, ok |
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| 16:44.31 | PaulFertser | Psi_: hey, ayt? |
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| 20:13.19 | TeNoVi | Hi! Is there anyone with experience with tangogps logs in google earth? I have got the log into google earth, but when I try to create a tour, it is just jumpy and annoying. Is there a good solution? |
| 20:15.39 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: yes, convert logs to gpx first |
| 20:15.52 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: tangogps has a script to do that, convert2gpx |
| 20:17.17 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Thanks... I will try that one. |
| 20:23.42 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Hmm. The tour is still bumping around. Hight. The track seem fine |
| 20:25.24 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Do you know if it is possible to manualy adjust the logfile to be x meters above what it original is? |
| 20:25.36 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, And constant height |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: SpeedEvil: discharge curve:=batlog.txt in ppl.om/joerg |
| 20:26.54 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: i think yes, just look into the file and you'll see it's simple xml format. Some sed script should do. |
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| 20:27.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: are you sure that's a better source of information than this: http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Li_Ion_DiscGph.JPG |
| 20:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: SpeedEvil: impedance check isn't helping for LiIon |
| 20:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: it's for *our* cell, so I guess I don't even have to compare to your source |
| 20:29.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but it's a percentage estimate by bq27000 which we don't trust much. |
| 20:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | *I* never said I don't _trust_ CC, I only stated I know about it's limitations and quirks |
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| 20:31.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i don't trust it. And in fact all gta01 users lived with simple linear approximation which is completely bogus. |
| 20:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's no point to reduce authoritative correctness of batlog.txt |
| 20:33.22 | PaulFertser | Sorry |
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| 20:34.28 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but when we last discussed it we agreed that it considers 0% is the voltage where GSM stops working. And it's wrong. |
| 20:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's one of the quirks, but I consider the calculation between C@100% and C@0% rather accurate nevertheless |
| 20:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. you can use the V/C curve between those two points for a highly accurate input data to create your estimating polynom |
| 20:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | even if you like to assume the 0%-point in fact is when bat cell still holds 10% capacity |
| 20:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | which is mere definition issue btw, as we first need to agree on what means 0% actual capacity. Does it mean "gsm ceases opperation", or does it mean "system needs shutdown NOW", or "system actually fails completely immediately" |
| 20:41.22 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'd say 0% is where one should shutdown to not harm the battery. |
| 20:41.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: and tbh i'm not going to use any high-order polynoms for approximation, i think 4-segment linear would work as well. |
| 20:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | all this is about maybe 10% of C, so for a 5-granularity estimation it's rather pointless |
| 20:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | (high order) I agree a LUT is best solution here |
| 20:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | you can have as many support-points (aka records) in the lookup table as you like and feel is sensible, and do linear interpolation between these |
| 20:44.32 | PaulFertser | Yeah, exactly the plan |
| 20:44.46 | PaulFertser | Though raster says it's kind-of-stupid to spend time on gta01 ;) |
| 20:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | (harm to battery) won't work out. Our system stops all activity on higher voltage than bat would start to take harm |
| 20:46.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil's site shows 2.8 as the lower limit. |
| 20:46.50 | PaulFertser | Or even 3.0 |
| 20:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's sys limit afaik. Our cell has 2V5 lower limit |
| 20:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's my point ;-) |
| 20:47.31 | PaulFertser | Hm, i thought all lipol cells are alike |
| 20:47.54 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: can we get an official documentation from manufacturer please? ;) |
| 20:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | didn't someone publish the cell's datasheet? |
| 20:48.13 | PaulFertser | Hm, i gotta look it up. |
| 20:54.42 | PaulFertser | Googling SANYO UF653450S datasheet doesn't give much to me. |
| 21:00.22 | SpeedEvil | All li-po cells are - more or less - alike. |
| 21:00.38 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - in any case - if the cutoff is 3V or 2.5V is pretty irrelevant |
| 21:00.53 | SpeedEvil | you have almost no energy available between those thresholds. |
| 21:01.10 | SpeedEvil | especially with a not new battery. |
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| 21:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: well, somewhat. Yes |
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| 21:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | anyway google for PACK950925 |
| 21:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | though google might miss the very recent new files ;-) |
| 21:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | (and yes, I know that's 02) |
| 21:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | (2) Discharge End Voltage : 2.75 V |
| 21:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | P.64 |
| 21:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you noticed UL? HTH |
| 21:19.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: looking, thanks :) |
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| 21:26.25 | daniel32708 | hi guys! |
| 21:26.32 | daniel32708 | one question |
| 21:26.52 | daniel32708 | do you know where on the internet i can find the capacitor for the A6 buzz fix? |
| 21:26.58 | daniel32708 | what store carries it? |
| 21:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: btw http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/thread.html#1009 and other threads subject:*suspend* might be very interesting for you |
| 21:28.05 | SpeedEvil | daniel32708: wheree are you |
| 21:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | daniel32708: where do you live? |
| 21:28.20 | SpeedEvil | farnell.com digikey.com |
| 21:28.45 | daniel32708 | Costa Rica, but i have a shipping company which will ship anything that i buy in internet us stores to my country |
| 21:28.51 | daniel32708 | so for that matter i live in the US |
| 21:29.32 | daniel32708 | i would really appreciate any help |
| 21:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | too bad, daniel32708. I won't send components neither to CostaRica NOR TO us |
| 21:29.43 | daniel32708 | also, what exact caspacitor should i get? |
| 21:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | oops capslock |
| 21:29.58 | SpeedEvil | digikey, then |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | daniel 100uF tantal 5V |
| 21:30.14 | daniel32708 | where do u send components doc? |
| 21:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | EU |
| 21:30.37 | daniel32708 | i see |
| 21:31.19 | daniel32708 | ok, so i will go into digikey |
| 21:31.24 | daniel32708 | i type in "100uF tantal 5V" |
| 21:31.33 | daniel32708 | but then a bunch of different configurations come up |
| 21:31.38 | daniel32708 | can u guys pls help me? |
| 21:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil will help. I'm off for a while |
| 21:32.18 | daniel32708 | ok, thx! |
| 21:33.23 | SpeedEvil | you want a physically small cap, that matches that |
| 21:33.39 | SpeedEvil | have you done SMD soldering before? |
| 21:34.12 | daniel32708 | i havent, but my friend has |
| 21:34.24 | daniel32708 | he will help me |
| 21:36.13 | daniel32708 | if u go here http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=US&WT.mc_id=hp_go_button&KeyWords=100uF+tantal+5V&x=0&y=0 there u will see the different capacitors of that type |
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| 21:36.17 | daniel32708 | thats what confuses me |
| 21:36.38 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=511-1498-1-ND |
| 21:36.44 | SpeedEvil | should suit for example |
| 21:37.04 | daniel32708 | great |
| 21:37.12 | daniel32708 | so u reccommend me that one? |
| 21:38.39 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, that one should work fine. |
| 21:38.49 | daniel32708 | great |
| 21:39.08 | SpeedEvil | It's thin enough - 1.1mm height - that it won't obscure the case. It's not too expensive, ... |
| 21:39.29 | daniel32708 | yeah |
| 21:40.11 | daniel32708 | and that is the only component that i need right? |
| 21:40.16 | daniel32708 | plus the soldering of course... |
| 21:41.02 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: for buzz fix you'll need a 0402 2.4k resistor as well. |
| 21:42.40 | daniel32708 | paul, i am a newbb, could u pls point me to the link in digikey :) |
| 21:42.48 | daniel32708 | of that resistor |
| 21:44.12 | SpeedEvil | Any http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P2.4KJCT-ND forex |
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| 21:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | 2k2 |
| 21:44.35 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ah, you still here :D |
| 21:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | sporadically |
| 21:45.21 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=311-2.2KJRCT-ND |
| 21:45.22 | SpeedEvil | even |
| 21:45.35 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm reading that thread but it's about gta02 mostly. And it proves that hardware is needed to investigate actual power consumption problems. |
| 21:46.33 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * recbadf2618de 10/fsodeviced/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: don't fail, if no scenarios are available |
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| 21:48.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i wonder what's your opinion about ALLEN_CHANG |
| 21:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, he's TPE EE |
| 21:53.07 | daniel32708 | so guys which is better 1- http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P2.4KJCT-ND or 2 -http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=311-2.2KJRCT-ND |
| 21:55.37 | PaulFertser | daniel32708: listen to what Doc says, and he recommends 2.2. |
| 21:56.43 | SpeedEvil | the second one |
| 21:57.52 | daniel32708 | thx guys! |
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| 23:15.37 | Psi_ | PaulFertser: yeah, im here |
| 23:15.56 | Psi_ | been sick for the last week |
| 23:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | Psi_: paul went to sleep |
| 23:21.25 | Psi_ | not supprising, we're probably on opposite sides of the earth |
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| 23:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | Psi_: hmm, USA? |
| 23:24.47 | Psi_ | not sure where he is |
| 23:24.48 | Psi_ | im in NZ |
| 23:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yes |
| 23:29.04 | [Rui] | PT here |
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| 23:29.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd7cd1110c67f 10/misc-vapi/tests/ (4 files): misc-vapi: tests: prepare for testalsapcm |
| 23:29.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9db8a912e70f 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: use quarks to transfer from/to strings |
