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| 00:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's probably better named eth-networking now |
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| 00:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | btw rather annoying as every device gets its own ethX network device name now. Nice to have 5 FR connected concurrently, but a PITA to connect to arbitrary devices via script/alias etc. |
| 00:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm already on eth5 here ;-P |
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| 00:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, most people probably will call that a luxury problem, except service which has to deal with a large number of FR |
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| 01:51.28 | slaxxer | yea well my phone echos for the other party |
| 01:51.53 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Removed duplicate CPU instantiaions from IO and LCM sheets. |
| 04:03.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Updated LCM schematics: |
| 04:03.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - Fixed bug in VD connections for 16BPP operation |
| 04:03.23 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - Moved LCM SPI interface from SPI1 to GPIOs |
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| 04:59.53 | tae | hi, is it possible to install apt on openmoko? |
| 05:00.00 | tae | via ipkg/opkg |
| 05:00.12 | tae | so that i can have both |
| 05:00.37 | tae | i would wnat this very much, either that or perhaps install ipkg/opkg via apt on debian |
| 05:00.43 | tae | which ever works |
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| 05:02.48 | tae | i will look though the mailinglist |
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| 05:06.27 | playya_ | tae, afaik no. but you can install debian |
| 05:07.53 | tae | hmm, its a shame, its only a matter of compiling apt and all its dependencies right? |
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| 05:16.03 | slaxxer | doit |
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| 07:54.36 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i've just borrowed again that headset that worked. Will test it with GSM soon (need to charge it a little). |
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| 08:10.20 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5218 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0008.txt: Update GPS ext. ant. removal info |
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| 08:20.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ok, i've just tried to use that working headset and it worked. One drawback though, debian has an old version of one lib. |
| 08:21.13 | lindi- | PaulFertser: working headset + hciconfig patch + what alsa state? |
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| 08:27.51 | Wonka | http://www.tomshardware.com/de/Tegra-Nvidia-Netbook-Computer-on-a-Chip,news-243028.html#xtor=RSS-121 - GTA05? |
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| 08:36.49 | leinirAWAY | Wonka: Well, as soon as they open up everything on it, sure :) |
| 08:37.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r73a5f06b09ec 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py: opimd: SQLite-Messages: fix updating MessageRead, MessageSent and Processing fields |
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| 08:37.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbf8dfd26b0a1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: rename Text field to Content |
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| 08:41.21 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i've tested it with GSM. |
| 08:41.28 | PaulFertser | lindi-: for that no hciconfig patch needed. |
| 08:41.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the statefile is the one linked from the wiki (the "proper" method). |
| 08:42.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the headset is noname "Jabra", scan showed it as "Bluetooth headset" |
| 08:42.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the problem with fso is that it uses python alsa bindings that are too old in debian to release the PCM properly, so only first call works. |
| 08:42.50 | PaulFertser | lindi-: how can i provide you more info about the headset? |
| 08:48.12 | lindi- | PaulFertser: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/453116/gsmbluetooth.state ? |
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| 08:58.51 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8bcbdd47ea1f 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: fso-actions: don't store values acquired by oprofile as variants |
| 08:59.43 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r86fd996dbbc8 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: SQLite-Contacts: fix accidentaly wrapped line |
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| 09:06.59 | PaulFertser | lindi-: exactly the same i use. Beware of the alsa bug that prevents BT mic from working if you don't employ a workaround. |
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| 09:08.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you need anything else? I haven't tried mic over GSM but i think it should work. Will try a little bit later. |
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| 09:11.37 | Blu3 | which alsa bug is that? |
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| 09:24.43 | tig| | hello o/ does anyone know what the approximate delivery time is for a buzzfixed phone to be delivered? |
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| 09:24.43 | tig| | as in I sent it off, they have sent if back but the courier tracking page is a bit sketchy over when I should expect it |
| 09:25.19 | tig| | I ran the status message through a google translation (yes I know this is not the best translation) and got : The shipment is on its way to becoming a competent office. :) |
| 09:25.32 | PaulFertser | Blu3: you'll find everything about it in this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg08663.html |
| 09:25.56 | PaulFertser | tig|: ROFL |
| 09:26.46 | tig| | PaulFertser: it is a classic status message :) Yet slightly unhelpful and it may have lost subtle nuances during the translation process :) |
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| 09:33.13 | methril|work | good morning |
| 09:33.22 | tig| | morning |
| 09:40.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: which workaround? |
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| 09:59.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: please read the thread i just mentioned |
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| 10:15.01 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r03f09d594349 10/fsousaged/TODO: add TODO |
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| 10:22.34 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: skip new unowned busnames |
| 10:22.34 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Move restart info to CTOR |
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| 10:36.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you want me to try to find a way to make a photo of that noname headset? |
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| 10:48.02 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ok, just tested gsm call in both direction. It works. Probably requires tweaking "Mono" a bit otherwise other side can have difficulties hearing me (it might also depend on the headset). |
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| 11:00.21 | PaulFertser | Guys, i updated instructions on using bluetooth headsets with my success report, please see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner |
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| 11:21.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i'm bit afraid to upgrade frameworkd -- I wonder what breaks in the process :) |
| 11:29.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i know. Just wanted to let you know that it works. OTOH it seems almost nobody needs bt headsets. |
| 11:31.04 | SpeedEvil | There is a big disconnect between 'needs' - and 'needs, and has the skills to try to get it working, and doesn't give up at the 'it doesn't work stage'. |
| 11:33.41 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the wiki instructions are for end-users, not programmers. |
| 11:33.55 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: Jan wrote the support, i wrote the instructions. |
| 11:36.22 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i'd appreciate a stand-alone program that does this without having to upgrade frameworkd |
| 11:37.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: does what? |
| 11:37.50 | PaulFertser | lindi-: loading alsa state file? Tweaking one control to workaround kernel bug? Activating audio over PCM? |
| 11:37.59 | PaulFertser | lindi-: you need a 3-line script? ;) |
| 11:38.17 | lindi- | PaulFertser: activating audio over pcm i guess since i can alsactl the statefile |
| 11:40.55 | PaulFertser | lindi-: please see http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py;h=7a33bf20ca4146e5bb7baffc7928ebbef8979dc4;hb=HEAD and feel free to ask questions. I think you'll find it trivial to reimplement the way you like. |
| 11:42.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: only that debian's alsa bindings lack close() call. |
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| 11:44.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: also you'll need to do subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Right" ] ) and subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Left" ] ) after loading the state file. |
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| 11:52.47 | lindi- | PaulFertser: can't the state file just be fixed? |
| 11:53.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: this sequence is essentially a noop but it workarounds a kernel bug. |
| 11:55.56 | PaulFertser | I'm somehow very sure there're at least 2 gta01 in moscow that are lying somewhere unused. And i can't find them :( |
| 11:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: lindi-: (subproc.call) I suggest to call a script instead of multiple amixer calls. See ACI. Advantages: easily editable, extensible, configurable. Possibly also faster (again see ACI which loads amixer only once and pipes multiple cmds to input) |
| 12:00.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sure, good advice :) But you see how enthusiastic are people about BT support? Fuckers, first they complain for months that it doesn't work, then Jan finally implements the support and nobody uses it. |
| 12:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | heh, true |
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| 12:02.11 | PaulFertser | I don't say that the support is excellent and complete. But it already works, there's already something to try. The reason the remaining bugs and inconveniencies (like ignoring headset buttons) are not fixed is exactly lack of end-user feedback. |
| 12:02.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: we know it works with some headsets :) |
| 12:03.22 | PaulFertser | lindi-: we knew it in february already, when Jan implemented it. |
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| 12:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: do you understand my problems with a picture of me published without any copyright notice? Would you have done in a better way than me after 3 weeks of watching it spreading all over the net? |
| 12:04.15 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what does debian need to make multiple calls? restart of bluetoothd? |
| 12:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | s/witout any/with false GPL/ |
| 12:09.12 | SpeedEvil | cannot find his bluetooth headset. |
| 12:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: do you think we should get the files liked to on bt-wiki to a more centralized place? |
| 12:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | liNked |
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| 12:31.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, i understand. |
| 12:31.59 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: probably you could have complained to other members of SHR team more explicitly so they understand that it's not a joke and i'm sure they'd remove it very fast. |
| 12:32.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: at least that's what i'd done. I'm not sure if it's better or not. |
| 12:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | mrmoku did in 5min |
| 12:35.29 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if frameworkd is used? |
| 12:35.45 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Debian needs updated bindings. |
| 12:37.28 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: (picture) i understand that this story is quite uncomfortable for you. :-/ I think Ainu wouldn't have done it if he understood that you're talking really seriously. So many nasty arguments happen because of misunderstanding :-/ |
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| 12:39.38 | Proton23 | I downloaded MokoMakefile and tried to run 'make qemu' but there is no rule for qemu |
| 12:39.46 | Proton23 | what's the matter? |
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| 12:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm just concerned about now a lot of ppl seem to feel pissed, while nobody cared the multiple times before when I used a more polite wording |
| 12:40.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: probably it was so polite they thought you're joking. Sometimes politeness is counter-productive. |
| 12:41.25 | PaulFertser | Proton23: almost nobody is interested in qemu emulation of our devices. |
| 12:44.49 | Proton23 | PaulFertser: Has this option been thrown out? |
| 12:46.26 | Proton23 | PaulFertser: I guess the pages about QEMU emulation can be deleted so |
| 12:46.40 | PaulFertser | Proton23: quite possible so. Are you sure you need it? There's a reason why almost nobody is interested in virtual FR. You can have exactly the same software on host, why do you want emulation? |
| 12:48.09 | Proton23 | I have no FR but would like to compile a program and test it |
| 12:48.33 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what kind of program? |
| 12:48.37 | lindi- | blah, Proton23 |
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| 12:49.13 | Proton23 | a little self-written qt program |
| 12:49.23 | lindi- | Proton23: why not run it on your PC? |
| 12:49.39 | SpeedEvil | For essentially everything - you can just run it on your PC |
| 12:49.46 | SpeedEvil | if you've got a GSM modem connected |
| 12:50.16 | tig| | Hurrah my freerunner has returned (hopefully buzzfixed) :) |
| 12:50.39 | Proton23 | it runs on my desktop, now I would like to give it a try on the FR |
| 12:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | tig|: why shouldn't it be buzzfixed? |
| 12:51.17 | lindi- | Proton23: qemu is not FR |
| 12:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Proton23: what is this app? |
| 12:51.39 | tig| | DocScrutinizer well I sent it to be buzzfixed but have not tested it yet :) |
| 12:51.39 | Proton23 | lindi-: but emulats it? |
| 12:51.49 | tig| | I am sure it will be fine :) |
| 12:52.09 | SpeedEvil | Proton23: yes - but in almost every way - a 640*480 window on your screen, and you backed off several feet - is exactly the same |
| 12:52.29 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly touchscreen interfacing is a bit of a problem - but that's not solved by qemu |
| 12:52.46 | SpeedEvil | nor is working ouyt the speed, as qemu can be much slower than the real hardware |
| 12:53.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: "qemu is not FR" :D |
| 12:53.25 | tig| | + |
| 12:54.35 | Proton23 | How to test if the cross compiling worked fine - without a FR? |
| 12:56.16 | PaulFertser | Proton23: you're supposed to release the source, not the binary ;) |
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| 12:56.19 | Proton23 | PaulFertser: :D |
| 12:56.19 | Proton23 | I know |
| 12:56.19 | SpeedEvil | Proton23: what's this app? |
| 12:56.19 | SpeedEvil | (Though I'd be quite happy with a binary for some things) |
| 12:56.19 | Proton23 | it's just a test case |
| 12:56.33 | Proton23 | if compiling a qt program works |
| 12:56.45 | Proton23 | before getting a FR |
| 12:56.57 | PaulFertser | Proton23: weird reasoning tbh |
| 12:58.26 | Proton23 | PaulFertser: Maybe I AM weird ;) |
| 12:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | Proton23: obviously it's more a testcase for qemu than for croscompiling ;-) |
| 12:59.46 | Proton23 | DocScrutinizer: Running on QEMU doesn't mean that it will run on the FR? |
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| 12:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | Proton23: especially since crosscompiling works flawlessly for entire distributions :-D |
| 13:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | Proton23: more the other way round: it's obviously much more likely a qemu based app will fail, rather than crosscompiling had any issues |
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| 13:04.03 | Proton23 | DocScrutinizer: OK, but how to test without a FR? |
| 13:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | test WHAT? |
| 13:04.47 | Proton23 | some programm |
| 13:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | test for your app is coded correctly? run on X86. -- test that it will run on FR? Run on FR, there's no better way (not even a worse way) |
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| 13:08.00 | Proton23 | "test that it will run on FR? Run on FR, there's no better way (not even a worse way)" but I don't have a FR :) |
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| 13:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | so why do you care about any app actually running on FR then? |
| 13:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | Proton23: let me put it this way: your desktop PC with native X and all the OM-libs is the better qemu |
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| 13:11.14 | Proton23 | DocScrutinizer: Ok, that's something I can work with :) |
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| 13:16.11 | solar_george | hi, does anyone know if a vanilla fso-console image is aeroplane safe i.e. gsm and wifi start up powered down? |
| 13:18.36 | PaulFertser | solar_george: any cellphone is airplane safe. |
| 13:19.26 | solar_george | i mean to keep the stewards happy, i assume that it is as i'm only running omgps |
| 13:19.35 | PaulFertser | solar_george: they can't check anyway. |
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| 13:19.44 | solar_george | good point |
| 13:20.19 | PaulFertser | solar_george: basically you can just kill ophonekitd and it should release all resources and everything will be turned off. |
| 13:20.25 | PaulFertser | solar_george: (that's for SHR) |
| 13:21.11 | solar_george | i'm just using a plain fso-console image + X + omgps to keep power use to a minimum |
| 13:21.27 | PaulFertser | imagines solar_george talking to stewards like "But you don't understand, that's fso-console image, it has everything turned off by default. Let me show you frameworkd log" |
| 13:21.36 | solar_george | :) |
| 13:22.21 | solar_george | imagine if it just booted into the console how that could scare people |
| 13:22.47 | solar_george | they'd think i was trying to hijack the plane by computer |
| 13:23.24 | PaulFertser | via wall-sockets :) |
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| 13:25.52 | mwester | :/ |
| 13:26.01 | SpeedEvil | solar_george: I thought that only worked with macbook |
| 13:26.15 | mwester | Don't even joke about that stuff around the American TSA security folks. |
| 13:26.29 | solar_george | i wonder how much battery life could be got while doing a gps track if i don't use X |
| 13:26.44 | SpeedEvil | I've gotten maybe ... |
| 13:27.01 | mwester | You won't end up in jail, or even charged with anything, but they're just a bunch of ***es looking for an opportunity to give trouble to someone... |
| 13:27.02 | PaulFertser | solar_george: i don't think using or not using X is much of a difference. |
| 13:27.07 | solar_george | <mwester> same with the british airports |
| 13:27.22 | PaulFertser | mwester: yeah, quite stupid assholes afaik |
| 13:27.52 | PaulFertser | mwester: if only the usa general public would be smart enough to understand that |
| 13:28.28 | solar_george | PaulFertser yes i guess so, i'm just trying to get the maximum battery life to get a gps track while trekking away from power sources |
| 13:29.03 | SpeedEvil | I'd not be looking at FR personally |
| 13:29.19 | PaulFertser | solar_george: why do you think using X has any effect? |
| 13:30.08 | solar_george | just a guess along the lines of greater cpu usage maybe |
| 13:31.12 | SpeedEvil | Does the glamo competely powersave if the screen is off? |
| 13:31.21 | SpeedEvil | If so, it shouldn't make a real difference |
| 13:31.22 | solar_george | probably just been given wrong impression by using a laptop - at the console you tend to use less power-intensive programs but that's different on fr |
| 13:33.30 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hm, glamo can't completely powersave because it's used to access uSD. |
| 13:34.04 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:34.16 | solar_george | in that case would running from NAND make any appreciable difference do you think |
| 13:34.53 | SpeedEvil | Extrapolating other stuff I've done, I think 12h on GTA01 is reasonable - with some hacks. |
| 13:34.57 | PaulFertser | solar_george: no good idea. |
| 13:35.04 | SpeedEvil | With GSM off |
| 13:36.08 | solar_george | <SpeedEvil> thats about what i got on GTA02 with console-image + omgps sitting on a windowsill (just to test battery life) |
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| 13:36.38 | PBeck | hi |
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| 13:51.38 | solar_george | does Qi check for bootable partitions based on the position on the disk (start>end) or in an order like the kernel? |
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| 13:53.19 | solar_george | by like the kernel i meant the order in /dev/ |
| 13:53.58 | solar_george | ignore me i'm typing nonsense will test and findout myself |
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| 14:03.59 | dns53 | solar_george yes, a kernel on the first partition, then the second, then the third |
| 14:08.45 | PaulFertser | solar_george: in order of partition table |
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| 14:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | solar_george: /dev has no explicit ordering. It's just 'ls' that creates a collation |
| 14:09.57 | solar_george | does that mean even if /dev/sdc1 is at the end of the disk Qi will try it before /dev/sdc2 |
| 14:10.24 | SpeedEvil | probably |
| 14:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | solar_george: nope. |
| 14:10.33 | solar_george | thats good |
| 14:10.35 | SpeedEvil | ignore me |
| 14:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | qi is using the sequence in partition table |
| 14:11.34 | SpeedEvil | partition table order isn't always that on disk |
| 14:11.49 | SpeedEvil | sdc4 canbe at teh beginning of a disk, and sdc1 at the end |
| 14:12.06 | SpeedEvil | it's not usually - as most tools don't do that - but there isn't any explicit reason why not |
| 14:12.07 | solar_george | i'll just try and see what happens in my case |
| 14:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | sdc is a kernel /dev thing depending on udev rules etc |
| 14:12.55 | solar_george | <SpeedEvil> i know that sdc1 is after sdc2 as i've resized it |
| 14:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | the partition table sequence is unambiguous |
| 14:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | check with cfdisk or the like |
| 14:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not entirely sure about how Qi handles extended partitions, but AIUI it will "climb up" the sequence in MBR/part-tab by physical byte adress of the particular partition entry, while skipping fs-types not appropriate for boot |
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| 14:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser for sure can tell more precisely |
| 14:17.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i don't think it supports extended partitions at all. |
| 14:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | thinks the same |
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| 14:18.10 | solar_george | has seen that on the wiki |
| 14:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure part-tab first entry can define a part at end of hd, while second entry defines one at start of hd. I don't think that has any impact on the way Qi works though |
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| 14:21.29 | solar_george | damm qi booted sdc1 first even though its at the end of the disk |
| 14:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. I'd assume Qi still checking first *entry* first |
| 14:21.53 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that was what I was trying to get to. |
| 14:21.59 | SpeedEvil | sorry for confuzzling. |
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| 15:13.36 | emacsian | hi, i'm installing android koolu beta7 on my freerunner. I put all the files on my SD card, but it doesn't install |
| 15:15.04 | solar_george | how exactly doesn't it install, how far do you get |
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| 15:17.05 | emacsian | i get a white screen now, before I was getting an error message |
| 15:17.50 | solar_george | try pulling the battery out and rebooting |
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| 15:18.38 | emacsian | i get the messaeg I was not able to find installation files, sorry |
| 15:19.01 | emacsian | i created a single FAT partition on my SD card and untarred all the files there |
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| 15:20.19 | solar_george | this may sound silly but did you remember to unmount the sd instead of just pulling it out |
| 15:20.33 | solar_george | have you tried redoing the copy |
| 15:21.11 | emacsian | i copied the files when the SD was on my freerunner |
| 15:21.21 | emacsian | and shut it down cleanly |
| 15:21.53 | emacsian | i try redoing the copy and try again |
| 15:22.07 | solar_george | afraid i really don't have a clue - i've never had any luck with the koolu android images |
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| 15:22.28 | solar_george | i've never got beyond the koolu splash screen |
| 15:22.29 | emacsian | you've tried doing it before ? |
| 15:22.38 | emacsian | ok |
| 15:22.59 | solar_george | only with the older ones not beta7 |
| 15:23.06 | solar_george | not tried that yet |
| 15:23.09 | emacsian | okie.. |
| 15:23.21 | emacsian | any idea which of the images is most suitable for a daily phone |
| 15:23.40 | solar_george | no, i tend to use SHR |
| 15:24.17 | emacsian | okie i did use SHR testing until now, not as a daily phone though, thought I'll try android |
| 15:25.06 | solar_george | i've heard people recommend these images in the past http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ |
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| 17:39.52 | PaulFertser | TAsn: :){ |
| 17:40.38 | TAsn | ? |
| 17:40.56 | TAsn | PaulFertser, ? |
| 17:41.23 | PaulFertser | TAsn: that's a smiling guy with traditional jewish beard |
| 17:41.33 | TAsn | lol. |
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| 17:41.53 | TAsn | n1 |
| 17:42.09 | PaulFertser | TAsn: n1? |
| 17:42.18 | TAsn | :)} <--- also looks like a jewish orthodox |
| 17:42.21 | TAsn | n1 = nice one ;) |
| 17:42.29 | PaulFertser | Yep :D |
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| 18:09.23 | Darkas | hi |
| 18:09.50 | Darkas | I got a small "problem" with my fr (doesn't matter which distro) |
| 18:10.22 | Darkas | when I rotate X to landscape mode, my fr makes a strange beep noise |
| 18:10.29 | PaulFertser | Darkas: same for me. |
| 18:10.31 | Darkas | is this normal or expected? |
| 18:10.39 | PaulFertser | Darkas: is it kernel-dependent? |
| 18:10.42 | lindi- | Darkas: just don't rotate it :-) |
| 18:10.48 | Darkas | :) |
| 18:10.49 | PaulFertser | Darkas: i'll try to reproduce it with an older kernel. |
| 18:11.03 | Darkas | I haven't tried it with QTopia yet |
| 18:11.05 | lindi- | Darkas: seriously, it's not stable |
| 18:11.14 | PaulFertser | Darkas: no, really. I didn't have it in January. Now i do have it. I wonder if some kernel change made it emit that hum. |
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| 18:11.35 | PaulFertser | Darkas: i'm talking about kernels, please answer if you tried rotating with some old kernel. |
| 18:11.39 | Darkas | lindi-, I like that feature for reading pdfs in the bus ;) |
| 18:11.49 | Darkas | PaulFertser, no |
| 18:12.11 | Darkas | I got 2.6.29-rc3-de84609-09314-gde84609 |
| 18:12.14 | lindi- | Darkas: i like it too but i value stability more :) |
| 18:12.21 | PaulFertser | BTW, i now know for sure that at least 2 gta01s were somewhere near moscow. So i still have chances to obtain it soon. |
| 18:12.36 | PaulFertser | Darkas: can you try some older kernel please? Like from before the NY? |
| 18:13.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you have that high-pitch hum too? |
| 18:13.36 | Darkas | PaulFertser, I'll try (but wtf is NY?) |
| 18:13.44 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i for sure didn't have it. Need to boot some older kernel to verify. Would be an easy one to bisect :D) |
| 18:13.48 | PaulFertser | Darkas: new year |
| 18:13.53 | Darkas | ahh :D |
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| 18:15.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no but I think Mirv had |
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| 18:17.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser: have you managed to get the headset work with your laptop btw? currently bluetooth-wizard does not show the device at all but hcitool scan does |
| 18:18.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: which headset? The one i borrowed from my friend (that didn't emit sound with FR) or the one i borrowed from my co-worker? |
| 18:18.50 | lindi- | PaulFertser: BH-203 |
| 18:18.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ah, well, any headset :) |
| 18:19.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the one from my friend works without any issues with my laptop (broadcom bt chip). The one from co-worker i tested only with my FR and it worked. |
| 18:20.22 | lindi- | PaulFertser: (laptop & usb-bt dongle & BH-203 & bluez 4 & simple-agent) => arecord outputs nothing, hcidump shows the audio data as SCO frames |
| 18:20.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: kernel logs hci_scodata_packet: hci0 SCO packet for unknown connection handle 6 |
| 18:21.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are you sure you want to have alsa in the mess? why not try directly? |
| 18:21.35 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what was the direct way? |
| 18:22.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hstest |
| 18:22.20 | PaulFertser | lindi-: from test directory in bluez4 sources |
| 18:22.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no such binary in debian |
| 18:22.32 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no such debian without compiler |
| 18:22.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: sigh. i wonder why these tools are not included in the package :( |
| 18:22.44 | PaulFertser | lindi-: me too |
| 18:22.55 | lindi- | and why I need to use some "code example" to send the PIN |
| 18:23.06 | lindi- | "code example" that has no manual page or comments |
| 18:23.18 | lindi- | (talking about /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent) |
| 18:23.24 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ask holtmann :-/ |
| 18:23.33 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but i think i know the answer |
| 18:23.52 | lindi- | gnome? |
| 18:24.27 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's supposed that any guy who's going to make a good UI for bluez knows how to understand code examples. And others should use already available (gui) tools. |
| 18:24.27 | johnsu01 | lindi-: don't even get me started |
| 18:24.47 | johnsu01 | lindi-: I also love the commentary in the docs there |
| 18:24.48 | lindi- | PaulFertser: aiee |
| 18:24.58 | johnsu01 | lindi-: If you find that you ABSOLUTELY MUST pair your device WITHOUT X |
| 18:25.00 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and that's it's a pity that there's no good cli tool for that but bluez devs are busy enough to not bother about it. |
| 18:25.03 | johnsu01 | ridiculous |
| 18:25.18 | lindi- | python -c '....' |
| 18:25.20 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: That's not true, it used to work just fine, and they broke it |
| 18:25.22 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: well, python is available almost everywhere. And their example script works. |
| 18:25.30 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: what used to work fine? |
| 18:25.31 | lindi- | but the example script is not in PATH |
| 18:25.39 | lindi- | you can't call it from an ifup script |
| 18:25.43 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: You used to be able to pair without X with no trouble |
| 18:25.59 | johnsu01 | and no sample script or random .c file in /usr/share/doc to compile |
| 18:26.16 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: with bluez3? Bluez4 is complete api redesign. So it's ok to loose something during transition. |
| 18:26.37 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: Actually this change happened during bluez3 |
| 18:26.55 | lindi- | johnsu01: we can stop this argument by 1) figuring out what examples we need to work with BT 2) rewriting these as proper tools 3) packaging these tools :-) |
| 18:27.09 | lindi- | just using getopt will help a lot |
| 18:27.15 | johnsu01 | lindi-: Yeah, all true |
| 18:27.50 | PaulFertser | lindi-: for me simple-agent and hstest.c are enough to not bother. |
| 18:28.03 | lindi- | for me not :) |
| 18:28.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and in fact i'm _very_ frustrated now when i hear about BT headsets. |
| 18:28.23 | TAsn | <Darkas> when I rotate X to landscape mode, my fr makes a strange beep noise |
| 18:28.23 | TAsn | <PaulFertser> Darkas: same for me. |
| 18:28.32 | TAsn | PaulFertser, Darkas, just checked, nothing like that here. |
| 18:28.34 | TAsn | shr latest |
| 18:28.37 | TAsn | (unstable) |
| 18:28.38 | mwester | thinks part of Linux died when bluez and connman were "released". |
| 18:28.48 | PaulFertser | lindi-: those fuckers asked for support for months. And now they ignore working support! |
| 18:28.55 | TAsn | mwester, lol. |
| 18:29.04 | PaulFertser | TAsn: that's not beep noise, that's high-pitch hum. |
| 18:29.18 | TAsn | I don't have that either |
| 18:29.28 | mwester | Yep, it's become Windows now: No GUI == Not useful. |
| 18:30.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what working support? where? ;) |
| 18:30.20 | PaulFertser | mwester: that's not very true for a guy who knows a bit of python. |
| 18:30.34 | lindi- | johnsu01: I managed to get my BH-203 work with friend's laptop that has integrated bt chip |
| 18:30.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i tested today and bt headset worked for me as advertised. |
| 18:30.37 | mwester | But I do agree with lindi- that we need to just create a simple C command line set of tools that we can use to debug and test without a GUI, after all it's darned hard to do automated regression testing against a GUI,a nd we really need to start doing that. |
| 18:30.47 | lindi- | johnsu01: but I can't get it to work with external usb bt dongle |
| 18:31.05 | mwester | PaulFertser, when Linux replaces /bin/sh with /bin/python, then I will agree with you on that point. |
| 18:31.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and i used teh instructions i wrote. |
| 18:33.06 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yep but I'm still talking about my laptop :) |
| 18:33.07 | PaulFertser | mwester: if you think i like the fact that bluez4 lacks proper hacker-friendly ui, you're wrong. |
| 18:33.07 | lindi- | sorry for the confusion |
| 18:33.08 | johnsu01 | lindi-: hm, I actually have bluetooth working on my laptop again (new laptop), so I can get back to trying that |
| 18:33.09 | lindi- | PaulFertser: should I use patched hciconfig on my laptop to get audio data over usb? |
| 18:33.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and i'm talking about endlessly whining users who "wanted" support, got it months ago and do nothing, not even bugreporting to improve it. |
| 18:33.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: is it CSR-based device? |
| 18:33.10 | mwester | PaulFertser, I just think that you like to take up a contrary position to me always! ;-) :D |
| 18:33.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: the usb bt dongle? hciconfig -a does not mention CSR at least |
| 18:33.11 | PaulFertser | lindi-: then check output of hcitool hciX revision | grep SCO |
| 18:33.12 | lindi- | PaulFertser: does not print anything |
| 18:33.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: that trick is only for CSR chips. And some laptops/usb dongles really need tweaking for SCO to work. |
| 18:33.17 | PaulFertser | mwester: :D |
| 18:34.35 | PaulFertser | mwester: but you know, i spent quite some time digging these bluetooth issues, tricks about SCO routing, proprietary CSR oddities etc. Tried a lot to make my friend's headset work just for the sake of testing/bugreporting. And i feel dissatisfied that this work that seemed to be useful is not because end-users lied to me that they needed it. |
| 18:35.04 | lindi- | johnsu01: PaulFertser: talk about robust tools: http://paste.debian.net/40354/ |
| 18:36.51 | johnsu01 | lindi-: haha |
| 18:37.03 | mwester | PaulFertser, I am as puzzled as you about that -- after all, it is bluetooth that will solve the echo and buzz issues, for those that cannot (or will not) apply the hardware fixes. And it is the only way to get the buzzfix if you wish a headset. I need bluetooth to make the devices useful; I cannot understand why nobody else seems to care? |
| 18:38.05 | lindi- | mwester: i did report that hcid crashes ages ago with bluez3 |
| 18:38.31 | mwester | I know that there have been some who have cared... |
| 18:39.59 | PaulFertser | lindi-: haha, i think the syntax is wrong |
| 18:40.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hcitool -i hci0 revision ? |
| 18:40.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: "hciconfig hci0 revision | grep SCO" prints "BD Address: 00:1A:9F:92:97:3C ACL MTU: 1021:8 SCO MTU: 64:1" |
| 18:40.33 | lindi- | "hcitool -i hci0 revision" does not print anything |
| 18:40.40 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, hciconfig is what matters |
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| 18:41.59 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so can you figure out if this means it is CSR chip or not? |
| 18:42.28 | PaulFertser | lindi-: can you pastebin the whole hciconfig output? |
| 18:42.39 | lindi- | PaulFertser: hciconfig -a? |
| 18:42.55 | lindi- | $ sudo hciconfig -a | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 18:42.56 | lindi- | http://paste.debian.net/40356/ |
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| 18:43.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corporation |
| 18:43.45 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ok so this needs a different set of tricks? :/ |
| 18:44.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: probably none, at least i think i remember only about CSR tricks from my googling. Other chips didn't have that kind of problems. |
| 18:44.18 | lindi- | PaulFertser: or I'll just write a perl script that parses the audio data from the output of "hcidump -X -V" |
| 18:44.44 | lindi- | since hcidump can see it, kernel just complains all the time and does not send it to arecord |
| 18:44.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: better use hstest.c |
| 18:45.00 | lindi- | we really need a package for that |
| 18:45.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'm very bad at packaging. |
| 18:47.39 | lindi- | johnsu01: you wouldn't happen to know the debian bluetooth maintainers? ;) |
| 18:48.05 | johnsu01 | lindi-: no, sorry :( |
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| 18:52.39 | lindi- | PaulFertser: hstest does not seem to have any docs either :) |
| 18:52.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sources are self-explaining |
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| 18:53.21 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i know all that lack of documentation and tools is bad. But semi-motivated hacker can get without... |
| 18:53.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it prints "hstest record <file> <bdaddr> [channel]" has usage if I try "hstest record a.wav" |
| 18:54.00 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure, you need the third argument, HS address. |
| 18:55.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it prints "Voice setting: 0x0060" and does not exit |
| 18:55.34 | PaulFertser | lindi-: probably that's an intended behaviour even |
| 18:57.15 | lindi- | seems bluetoothd has crashed |
| 18:58.00 | lindi- | hmm, now the whole laptop froze |
| 19:00.30 | lindi- | PaulFertser: btw, do you run HAL? |
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| 19:00.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: on FR yes |
| 19:01.10 | lindi- | PaulFertser: if you strace it, do you see that it wakes up every time you touch the screen? |
| 19:02.41 | PaulFertser | lindi-: unfortunately i don't have apm emulation disabled so for me it wakes about every second to read /dev/apm |
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| 19:16.02 | SM2k | I just noticed that my NAND menu only has "Boot"... there are no other options. what gives? :-) |
| 19:16.17 | SM2k | I flashed it with gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin at one point |
| 19:16.31 | PaulFertser | SM2k: a clear hint you should start using Qi ;) |
| 19:16.37 | SM2k | eh? |
| 19:16.51 | PaulFertser | SM2k: Qi is fast and reliable and supported. |
| 19:17.05 | SM2k | but the uBoot would be the same, no? |
| 19:17.10 | SM2k | it's only that one phone. :-) |
| 19:17.12 | PaulFertser | SM2k: u-boot on FR is slower, depends on enviromnet and is less supported. |
| 19:17.30 | SM2k | this Qi.... is then a new device? |
| 19:17.42 | PaulFertser | SM2k: what? |
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| 19:22.40 | SM2k | sorry. phone call. :-) so Qi is a uBoot replacement. does it still have the USB console thingy? |
| 19:22.56 | PaulFertser | SM2k: no, you're not supposed to need it. |
| 19:23.13 | SM2k | I broke my spash screen. I kinda need it. :-) |
| 19:23.20 | PaulFertser | SM2k: no |
| 19:23.41 | PaulFertser | SM2k: Qi boots kernel in 2 seconds. Then the kernel and userspace is responsible to show you anything you want. |
| 19:24.45 | SM2k | I assume GTA02-stable-mumble would be a good choice? |
| 19:25.07 | PaulFertser | SM2k: you mean Qi? I think experimental is the best as it's built from the latest sources. |
| 19:25.25 | SM2k | ah my bad those others are uImage |
| 19:25.26 | PaulFertser | SM2k: read the wiki page before flashing Qi! |
| 19:25.30 | SM2k | sigh |
| 19:26.05 | lindi- | PaulFertser: with older kernel hstest prints "Can't connect RFCOMM channel: Connection refused" |
| 19:26.05 | SM2k | :-) very well. I'll do that. the moko tends to get cranky with me when I play fast and loose 8-) |
| 19:26.33 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i've heard bluetooth kernel parts are in active development. |
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| 19:34.34 | lindi- | PaulFertser: and now it magically works. I can't explain this |
| 19:34.58 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hstest works? |
| 19:35.02 | PaulFertser | lindi-: and you got sound? |
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| 19:35.25 | lindi- | PaulFertser: arecord works, hstest fails |
| 19:35.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: funny |
| 19:35.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: anyway, how is it relevant, what is your target? |
| 19:36.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: be able to use bluetooth headset with laptop and with freerunner with GSM and mplayer |
| 19:37.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i see. BTW, holtmann recommended me to use very latest kernel for good SCO support. |
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| 19:44.48 | lindi- | PaulFertser: whoops sorry, it did not work. I had wrong alsa configuration and was recording from real mic... |
| 19:46.25 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it looks like something is wrong with you today ;) |
| 19:47.33 | lindi- | i blame the heat and lack of time :) |
| 19:51.06 | lindi- | hmm, now it really works (yes I spoke to the headset in another room) |
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| 20:21.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5222 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch io.sch): prep cpu sheet, move cpu timer block to CPU sheet. |
| 20:22.37 | xqo | is there a fix for h |
| 20:22.47 | xqo | the non-working apps in SHR? |
| 20:23.25 | xqo | ie openmoko-messages, openmoko-contacts, and phonelog? |
| 20:23.41 | xqo | im on a fresh install, but these applications dont work |
| 20:24.02 | ndnihil | try a more recent SHR unstable |
| 20:24.28 | ndnihil | the last testing I tried was kinda broken, but have been using a fairly recent unstable with good results |
| 20:24.40 | xqo | shr-testing is not the recommended version? |
| 20:24.43 | xqo | okidoki |
| 20:24.49 | xqo | ill get shr-unstable then |
| 20:24.56 | ndnihil | it varies as to what is recommendde |
| 20:24.58 | ndnihil | recommended |
| 20:25.06 | ndnihil | could be one thing one day, another the next |
| 20:25.15 | ndnihil | just need to keep up with the developers |
| 20:25.51 | xqo | how? :-))) I only check in to the wiki every now and then to see if there is anything new |
| 20:26.17 | ndnihil | hang around here for a while |
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| 20:26.21 | ndnihil | is what I do |
| 20:29.37 | xqo | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 20:29.46 | xqo | are those the latest unstable-versions? |
| 20:29.59 | dos1 | ndnihil, xqo: if you want to listen what SHR developers say, I suggest #openmoko-cdevel ;) |
| 20:30.24 | xqo | alright, ill try that. thanks |
| 20:30.37 | PaulFertser | ndnihil, xqo: but don't bother them too much or else they'll become as angry and rude as me |
| 20:30.53 | ndnihil | :) |
| 20:31.05 | xqo | how about those images? |
| 20:32.29 | ndnihil | xqo: those should be fine, but double check the dates |
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| 20:42.13 | *** topic/#openmoko is Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited forces - http://tinyurl.com/cxab5r | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
| 20:42.24 | sabrod | Hi! :) |
| 20:42.39 | sabrod | I just received a neo1973 and I have some questions... |
| 20:42.54 | PaulFertser | sabrod: really? |
| 20:42.59 | PaulFertser | sabrod: where did you get one? |
| 20:43.12 | sabrod | I'd like to know if there actually IS any accelerometer in it... |
| 20:43.39 | sabrod | Heh, yes, ebay!! ( I'm always a little late ;) ) |
| 20:44.06 | sabrod | It is niiice!! :p |
| 20:45.06 | PaulFertser | sabrod: i don't think so. gta02 has two but gta01 seem to lack it. |
| 20:45.10 | mmontour | no accelerometer in the neo1973 |
| 20:45.12 | sabrod | I've seen a blog post showing some use of a neo1973 with "its" accelerometers... |
| 20:45.46 | PaulFertser | sabrod: btw are you capable of some hardware hacking? |
| 20:45.46 | sabrod | A guy that play Duke Nukem!? ( well he prob. have a neo case on a FR... :/ ) |
| 20:46.05 | sabrod | Hehe!! No I don't think so... |
| 20:46.06 | mwester | It would be clearer if you use the "gta0x" terminology instead of "neo" |
| 20:46.14 | mwester | neo1973 == gta01 |
| 20:46.18 | mwester | neo freerunner == gta02 |
| 20:46.22 | mwester | very different devices. |
| 20:46.23 | sabrod | Ok. sorry. |
| 20:46.36 | sabrod | Yep! |
| 20:47.05 | mwester | If you know which you have, the wiki should be accurate, if you search/read using the "gta0x" term instead. :) |
| 20:48.28 | sabrod | And sooner today... guess what? I have found in my an old case in my room, one of these first kind of acceleromers sold by nokia as a 3220 option for 2 games! :D |
| 20:48.48 | sabrod | in a case in my room, sorry! :) |
| 20:48.50 | PaulFertser | sabrod: which interface do they use? |
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| 20:49.04 | sabrod | Hehe, 4 contacts! :) |
| 20:49.20 | PaulFertser | sabrod: probably spi? |
| 20:49.24 | sabrod | Everything is shielded. |
| 20:49.46 | sabrod | most of the board is shielded, there is 2 big shields in fact. |
| 20:49.50 | PaulFertser | sabrod: gta01 has spi testpoints near the debugboard connector. |
| 20:50.03 | sabrod | Wow! ;) |
| 20:50.11 | PaulFertser | Shielded accelerometers? strange |
| 20:50.39 | sabrod | Yes... |
| 20:51.15 | sabrod | Maybe because there is not much space on the case ( it was a special case, a lot bigger... :) ) |
| 20:51.51 | sabrod | So in prevision the user will sit on the case / phone / accel. board ?? |
| 20:53.43 | sabrod | Ha, now I have it in front of me, it's 5 pins... |
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| 22:11.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5224 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:11.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: New componant, ht110 (single LED) |
| 22:11.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: initial work for CPU sheet |
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| 22:24.59 | Ddorda | is it possible to run fedora, ubuntu on free runner? |
| 22:25.20 | Ddorda | fedora or ubuntu* |
| 22:29.48 | ndnihil | possible yes, it just depends on how much work you want to do |
| 22:30.10 | ndnihil | there is a debian dist packaged for it, that might be a bit quicker for you |
| 22:32.25 | Ddorda | ermm.. okay, thanks |
| 22:35.54 | mjr | yeah, the debian is prebuilt and has installation scripts |
| 22:36.04 | mjr | for others you'd have to put in nontrivial effort |
| 22:36.31 | Ddorda | what's the preferred OS for OM? |
| 22:37.24 | Ddorda | and there is any installations/updates manager..? |
| 22:38.46 | mjr | well, debian upgrades with apt-get in principle. For the more OMish things there's opkg |
| 22:39.20 | mjr | I'm probably going for debian again when I can bother; last time it didn't function as a phone too well |
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| 22:40.35 | xqo | Hi! |
| 22:40.53 | Ddorda | what's the preferred OS for OM? the mose stable one |
| 22:41.04 | Ddorda | most* |
| 22:41.25 | novalis_dt | Ddorda, SHR |
| 22:41.44 | xqo | So i got the most recent SHR-unstable images, and again an application crashes. openmoko-messages crashes with no error. Is there a fix for this somewhere? |
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| 23:07.10 | Ddorda | do you think OM is stable enough to be used as a main cell phone? |
| 23:07.50 | brian__ | shr is |
| 23:07.53 | Ddorda | is it stable enough? how long can it work without charging? |
| 23:08.06 | brian__ | 20090617 unstable |
| 23:08.30 | Ddorda | and how long can it work without charging? |
| 23:08.44 | brian__ | well usage depends i go 2 days with some usage |
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| 23:09.03 | brian__ | i have Qi |
| 23:09.08 | mjr | shouldn't expect over a day not to be disappointed |
| 23:09.16 | brian__ | uboot works as well |
| 23:09.33 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.16 | brian__ | neovento worked ok |
| 23:10.48 | brian__ | i thought the battweery was used too fast but that was some time ago |
| 23:11.46 | Ddorda | so i need to charge it everyday then |
| 23:11.48 | Ddorda | fine with me |
| 23:11.52 | brian__ | yup |
| 23:12.04 | brian__ | just like the iphone:) |
| 23:12.09 | Ddorda | and how long does it takes to load it? |
| 23:12.22 | brian__ | sdoftware? |
| 23:12.25 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.31 | brian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.48 | Ddorda | to open it, to start it, to run it, to boot it, w/e |
| 23:13.04 | brian__ | u have 1? |
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| 23:15.29 | Ddorda | i don't. i think about buying one |
| 23:15.30 | brian__ | Qi+shr is 2 minuits to boot unsuspend time is 2 sec |
| 23:15.31 | brian__ | android was longer but may not be now |
| 23:15.32 | Ddorda | and i guess i can make it boot faster if i edit the kernel |
| 23:15.34 | brian__ | debian im sure someone else can tell u |
| 23:15.42 | brian__ | paroli is in dev right now |
| 23:16.11 | brian__ | slackware no one has touched yet |
| 23:16.38 | brian__ | choices ,, lots of choices |
| 23:17.26 | brian__ | wouldnt suprise me if 2007.1 makes a complete comeback |
| 23:17.54 | brian__ | simplicity is devine |
| 23:18.11 | brian__ | an faster than shr |
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| 23:24.22 | bove_ | How can I check which Koolu release I'm currently running? |
| 23:27.57 | sybren | Hi folks! |
| 23:28.31 | sybren | I've got audio problems on my freerunner using SHR unstable. When I use aplay to play a file it hangs, and 'dmesg' shows "BUG: stream = 0, pos = 0x2588000, buffer size = 0x4000, period size = 0x400" repeatedly. |
| 23:34.42 | sybren | ok, killing some apparently alsa-hogging process seemed to have worked ;-) |
| 23:40.43 | Ddorda | what's the OM screen size? |
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