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| 07:33.10 | leila | Hi all. Is it normal behaviour that the gsm loses its fix |
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| 07:59.03 | d1b | hi there is it possible to put uboot back on if i put qi on my phone ? |
| 08:02.54 | d1b | k cool wiki fixed that q |
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| 08:04.38 | Q-Master | d1b: there is no problem of doing this. just reflash |
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| 08:07.04 | d1b | k |
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| 08:43.03 | TeNoVi | Hi. I've mixed up some settings in Nor boot menu. I tried to apply this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner#Modify_Uboot_as_Bootloader_for_more_than_2MB |
| 08:43.17 | TeNoVi | Now I cannot flash the device. It's a Freerunner |
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| 08:44.58 | TeNoVi | Is there a way to restore NOR? |
| 08:45.03 | methril|work | mornning |
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| 09:06.12 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: hey |
| 09:06.33 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Hi |
| 09:06.35 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: NOR boot menu is immutable. You can't change it in any way. |
| 09:06.52 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: it's hardcoded in u-boot binary that's factory flashed to NOR. |
| 09:07.34 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, hmm... But the settings I applyed? Is that my problem, or do you think there is something else? |
| 09:08.42 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, I've had some problems flashing, but I'm trying to flash a new image now. Maybe it will work this time |
| 09:09.50 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: you can't change NOR in any way if you don't use a debug board or other hardware hacks. |
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| 09:11.02 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Okay... Then I guess I just had a bad day. It seams okay so far in the flashing progress. |
| 09:11.34 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: i recommend you to read wiki carefully to understand NOR/NAND differences etc. |
| 09:13.01 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Yes. I've red a bit about it. I didn't think it was possible to destroy the NOR flash without a debugboard, but since I couldn't boot or flash from NOR I got a bit scared |
| 09:13.40 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: how do you tell you can't boot from NOR? |
| 09:15.47 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, It started to load the flashed system (In my case Qtei and later Android) but failed and restarted, or just freezed. I guess it was the kernel. It loaded just fine with Qi |
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| 09:19.23 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: i don't recommend booting with NOR at all. The reason for that is that NOR u-boot is old and contains some bugs. |
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| 09:23.25 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, I see. I usualy only use NOR for booting when booting my second system |
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| 09:24.41 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: Qi has an ability to multiboot too. |
| 09:24.53 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: you can skip a boot possibility by pressing AUX. |
| 09:24.58 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, I thought so, but I never got it to work |
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| 09:26.30 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: you just need to press AUX at the right time. Experiment and you'll feel it (because Qi vibrates when it skips a boot possibility). |
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| 09:26.40 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, Thanks. |
| 09:28.03 | PaulFertser | TeNoVi: also keep in mind that Qi doesn't use any "environment", everything is hardcoded. NOR u-boot has its enviromnent hardcoded too. |
| 09:28.27 | TeNoVi | PaulFertser, NOR is functional again now. I think... :P But I'll try to get used to multiboot with Qi |
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| 09:48.36 | leila | NOR read only bootloader, GOOD if you fudge up the NAND boot (that is where the normal bootloader is located ?), NAND kernel is where the kernel lives (with Qi kernel can also also be on the first fat or ext2 partition on the uSD), rootfs not sure if there is one on the NAND but as I understand the wiki there has to be (debian moved to nand for example) but is usually located on the uSD |
| 09:48.47 | leila | PaulFertser: did I get it more or less ? |
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| 09:50.15 | lindi- | leila: with u-boot kernel can be on SD too |
| 09:50.45 | lindi- | leila: most distros have their rootfs on NAND |
| 09:50.55 | lindi- | leila: debian is one of the exceptions that use SD usually |
| 09:51.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Qi can't read FAT |
| 09:51.54 | PaulFertser | leila: Qi uses the same partition it read kernel from as a root partition. |
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| 09:53.02 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but not with NAND? since it surely does not know how to read jffs2 which is the rootfs type there usually |
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| 09:53.56 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, not with nand. If it read the kernel from nand kernel partition it passes nand rootfs partition as kernel parameter. |
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| 09:54.43 | lindi- | and i you want to repartition NAND you need to modify Qi sources probably? |
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| 09:55.15 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes |
| 09:55.31 | PaulFertser | lindi-: Qi is SD-centric. For SD rootfs it works good and predictable. |
| 09:56.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but what if you want to still repartition flash as a data partition? |
| 09:57.11 | PaulFertser | lindi-: append-GTA02 should work for that, i guess. |
| 09:57.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but doesn't Qi read the factory partition from fixed location on bootup? |
| 09:57.53 | lindi- | (maybe it knows how to fail with that though) |
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| 09:58.50 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, i've already started to think that factory partition reading should be removed for consistency. |
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| 10:04.27 | uzytkownik | Does OM 2009 expects /media/card to be fat or ext? |
| 10:04.46 | ndnihil | it goes both ways I think |
| 10:05.49 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: what about ethernet MAC's then? IMO they're stored on a factory partition... |
| 10:06.06 | dos1 | Q-Master: distro can set it (as SHR is doing) |
| 10:06.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: definitely |
| 10:06.38 | uzytkownik | ndnihil: Which one is more suitable for sd? |
| 10:06.55 | dos1 | uzytkownik: jasne, ze ext3 :P |
| 10:06.59 | Q-Master | dos1: hm. so why then qi is trying to send it to kernel as params? |
| 10:07.42 | dos1 | Q-Master: cause when it was writen, there was no distro which set it itself? |
| 10:07.53 | Q-Master | heh |
| 10:08.05 | dos1 | and maybe it's for g_ether compiled in kernel |
| 10:08.08 | dos1 | but i'm not sure |
| 10:08.11 | uzytkownik | dos1: Ok. While I'm waiting for 2.6.30 with nil2 I'm going to use ext3. |
| 10:08.20 | ndnihil | I use ext2 on mine |
| 10:08.35 | dos1 | i use ext3 for rootfs on sd |
| 10:08.54 | dos1 | ext3 is better for sd card than ext2 (less risk for data corruption) |
| 10:09.44 | ndnihil | I'm not using it for anything major, just holding files between flashes most of the time, and I keep it all rsync'd to the workstation on top fo that |
| 10:09.47 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: lindi- i think that any sane distro should compile g_ether as a module anyway. |
| 10:10.27 | ndnihil | gets antsy, only 6 more minutes |
| 10:11.13 | PaulFertser | And in that case initscripts can read the fartory partition by themselves. |
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| 10:17.15 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: agreed |
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| 10:30.27 | leila | How stable is the SHR os ? |
| 10:31.23 | max_posedon | stable enough to use it with neo as every day phone |
| 10:31.30 | max_posedon | but few bugs presents |
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| 10:48.39 | leila | ok I shall try to flash it in this evening |
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| 11:17.13 | leila | SHR addressbook is still unavailable ? |
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| 11:48.49 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5191 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0003.txt ecn0004.txt ecn0005.txt): |
| 11:48.49 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Three new ECNs: |
| 11:48.49 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0003 Remove SHUTDOWN net and connect PMU.SHUTDOWN directly to GND |
| 11:48.50 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0004 Remove R1767 and R1768 and connect all PMU.EXTONx to R1766 |
| 11:48.50 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0005 Simplify/remove BAT_ID/BATTEMP circuit (R1769) |
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| 11:59.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5192 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0006.txt): |
| 11:59.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: One more ECN: |
| 11:59.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0006 Either remove or populate R1701 (PMU.ADAPTSNS pull-down) |
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| 12:45.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5193 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0003.txt ecn0005.txt ecn0006.txt ecn0007.txt): |
| 12:45.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Completed ECNs 0003, 0005, and 0006. Added ECN0007: |
| 12:45.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0007 Remove KEEPACT net and connect PMU.KEEPACT directly to IO_3V3 |
| 12:48.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5194 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0008.txt): |
| 12:48.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: One more ECN: |
| 12:48.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0008 Remove external GPS antenna connector and circuit (CON7602) |
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| 13:27.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5195 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:27.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Renamed state "Editing" to "Edit". Described ECN states in README. |
| 13:27.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Completed ECN 0004. Added ECNs 0009 to 0015: |
| 13:27.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0009 Remove LED transistors (Q1501 and Q1502) |
| 13:27.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0010 Remove audio amplifier (U4101) |
| 13:27.28 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0011 Reduce number of varistors on USB_VBUS (C4902, C4909) |
| 13:27.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0012 Add fuse to USB_VBUS |
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| 14:01.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5196 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0016.txt ecn0017.txt): |
| 14:01.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Added two more ECNs: |
| 14:01.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0016 Remove upper acceleration sensor (U7801) |
| 14:01.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0017 Move Bluetooth module (U2) to main PCB |
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| 14:24.45 | novalis_dt | I'm trying to keep my moko connected via GPRS at all times. I've written a little script that tries to connect to a server periodically, and if it fails, uses dbus to bring down and then up GPRS. I started it up and stayed connected for a while, then got on a subway, where I of course lost my signal. When I got back above ground, I did not reconnect. The error I got was NoChannel. Ultimately, I had to reboot the phone to get GPR |
| 14:24.45 | novalis_dt | S back. (a) am I doing the right thing to try to stay online? (b) is there some way to forcibly reclaim channels? |
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| 14:25.57 | rhaeder | hi ho. updated to recent om2009-paroli changes, cellhunter is working again, good job! |
| 14:26.27 | rhaeder | one more question: i use TangoGPS, what does 11/0/0.0 mean in the lower right corner? |
| 14:26.41 | rhaeder | 0.0 is precision |
| 14:27.01 | lindi- | novalis_dt: you can restart ogsmd and power cycle calypso :) |
| 14:27.09 | mjr | doesn't really have any constructive ideas on that, except to note that subway does not necessarily equal no mobile signal ;] |
| 14:28.09 | lindi- | novalis_dt: also it takes a while for calypso to disconnect gprs properly, maybe it was in the middle of that |
| 14:30.20 | Blu3 | novalis, i've found that when gprs dies unexpectedly, the old channel hangs around and thusly you can't start a new connection |
| 14:30.31 | Blu3 | it'll return no channel |
| 14:30.43 | novalis_dt | lindi-, is there a way I can find out what step of the disconnection process it's in? |
| 14:30.45 | Blu3 | i've not found a way to easily/cleanly reclaim the channel |
| 14:30.53 | novalis_dt | So that I can know for sure when I'm fully disconnected? |
| 14:32.10 | novalis_dt | I was giving it five seconds between disconnect and reconnect . |
| 14:33.31 | novalis_dt | I also don't seem to be running ogsmd -- I'm using SHR. Is that part of frameworkd now, or ? |
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| 14:41.22 | leila | bye all |
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| 14:42.00 | gfather1 | hay guys |
| 14:42.08 | gfather1 | is flash supported in shr ? |
| 14:42.45 | gfather1 | what i mean , does it have a browser with flash support ? |
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| 15:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: use fso-abyss instead of gsm07muxer. muxer has some flowcontrol issues |
| 15:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: if you lose gprs in subway, it should reconnect automatically when gsm coverage is back |
| 15:09.24 | PaulFertser | gfather1: Hey, cool to see you here again man :D |
| 15:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: if you try to disconnect without gsm coverage, this probably will fail due to muxer spamming modem with packets to send while gprs can't process them |
| 15:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: thus -> use abyss |
| 15:12.29 | novalis_dt | DocScrutinizer, thanks. Can I just opkg install it, or ? |
| 15:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: PaulFertser mentioned a few pppd settings some hours ago, to send icmp packets automatically to check gprs alive |
| 15:13.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: not icmp, LCP |
| 15:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | aaah sorry, yes LCP |
| 15:13.54 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 15:14.16 | novalis_dt | searches his logs |
| 15:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | opkg install fso-abyss |
| 15:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | sed -i.orig -e 's/_type gsm0710muxd/ fso-abyss/' /etc/frameworkd.conf |
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| 15:15.44 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, might not work, right now frameworkd.conf may be without _type |
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| 15:23.54 | novalis_dt | DocScrutinizer, I'm running shr testing, and I don't see fso-abyss. Should I be running unstable, or edit my sources list, or ? |
| 15:25.29 | gfather1 | PaulFertser hay man :) |
| 15:25.47 | gfather1 | PaulFertser how things going , yah iv been away for some time |
| 15:27.05 | max_posedon | novalis_dt, fso-abyss in shr-unstable |
| 15:27.11 | max_posedon | and I suggest shr-unstable |
| 15:27.40 | novalis_dt | max_posedon, should I just edit my source list and opkg upgrade like I would with Debian, or should I flash a new image? |
| 15:28.01 | max_posedon | flash new |
| 15:28.29 | max_posedon | I don't want helps you with all bugs connected with switching from one feed to another. |
| 15:28.46 | novalis_dt | sure, I can do that. |
| 15:29.27 | ajvogel | max_posedon, do u suggest shr-unstable over shr-testing? (I am running testing) |
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| 15:29.40 | novalis_dt | this one? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090509-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 15:30.36 | max_posedon | ajvogel, yes, always |
| 15:30.55 | max_posedon | novalis_dt, , that is little bit too old |
| 15:31.46 | max_posedon | novalis_dt, look at calendar and find more recent) |
| 15:33.04 | novalis_dt | ah, I need one of the shr-shr-image ones. |
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| 15:57.54 | tig|1 | hi all, has anyone had their freerunner buzzfixed by Golden Delicious? if so how long did it take? |
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| 16:30.24 | Weiss | PaulFertser: you were asking about distributed computing projects to donate to. how about OpenStreetMap's tiles@home? |
| 16:33.09 | nullix | in some of my strange idea about what could be a cool handheld device with a touch screen... |
| 16:33.40 | nullix | after the multi-touch screen |
| 16:33.57 | nullix | the touch over multiple screens. |
| 16:34.18 | nullix | you just put your two device one along the other |
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| 16:35.10 | Blu3 | surely there's gotta be a nifty way to do MT on the current FR |
| 16:35.30 | nullix | and you drag one icon from one device to the other just by letting your finger go from the right of one screen to the left of the other |
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| 16:36.17 | Blu3 | if you add momentum to finger slides, you don't necessarily need to. just push the icon quickly to the edge and let go |
| 16:36.41 | Blu3 | have you played around with x2x? |
| 16:36.42 | nullix | overall idea is to federate screens |
| 16:37.28 | nullix | if you have 16 devices you just create a 4x4 touch screen, with somehow 16 processors... |
| 16:37.49 | techiem2-r | lol Neo Cluster |
| 16:37.56 | Blu3 | =] |
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| 16:39.35 | nullix | during my dream i have other strange ideas |
| 16:39.52 | nullix | like the grid connector |
| 16:40.22 | novalis_dt | It appears that shr-testing has a python gps library as python-pygps, but this is not in unstable. Is there a replacement, or ? |
| 16:40.41 | nullix | each back side of device has a metal grid |
| 16:41.37 | nullix | when put put two grids one over the other, they exchange data |
| 16:42.18 | nullix | unline standard connectors any cell of grid can be in contact with another, there is a discovery protocl to affect interconnections to a dedicated purpose |
| 16:42.56 | nullix | there is no need to put girds really front to front, just if somes cells are connected it is enough |
| 16:43.08 | novalis_dt | nullix, why not just use bluetooth? |
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| 16:44.12 | nullix | physical connection don't happen by chance |
| 16:44.21 | nullix | with bluetooth you need to confirm you want to conenct to something |
| 16:44.42 | nullix | and with cells you can raison the bandwitdth a lot |
| 16:44.58 | lindi- | nullix: why not just use usb? |
| 16:45.02 | nullix | the smaller the cell is the higher the |
| 16:45.18 | nullix | usb is a start |
| 16:46.05 | nullix | idea is by example to divide by two the size of cell at each new upgrade version, then older can discuss with newer just by connecting to 4 cells instead of just one |
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| 16:47.24 | nullix | and with a high number of cell you can connect very high speed devices, really near , like a processor, a video hardware... |
| 16:47.41 | nullix | at one time i wake up |
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| 16:51.02 | nullix | the smaller device has size of key of a keyboard, when you put all together you get one keyboard :-) |
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| 16:51.30 | nullix | an universal one. |
| 16:52.28 | max_posedon | but when you touch any device/move one for a 2-3 mm, you have many problems. |
| 16:52.51 | nullix | why do we loose the idea that getting multiple time the same kind of device is for replacement, and can't be just for addition ( like legos ) this change many things |
| 16:53.38 | max_posedon | I still think mini-usb can do kinda same stuff |
| 16:53.56 | nullix | it could be a starting point |
| 16:54.25 | max_posedon | keyboards/networks/serials/storages/etc/etc |
| 16:54.33 | max_posedon | works right now. |
| 16:55.21 | nullix | reversability of usage is often missing |
| 16:55.57 | nullix | like using the screen of a laptop just like a screen, ( ie with an input dvi ) |
| 16:56.15 | nullix | or using its keyboard within swithing it fully on |
| 16:56.21 | nullix | switching |
| 16:56.31 | nullix | anyway, i have to go |
| 16:56.36 | nullix | was a brain dump |
| 16:56.54 | nullix | bye |
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| 17:02.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5197 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:02.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Renamed ambiguous state "Review" to "Discuss". |
| 17:02.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: More new ECNs: |
| 17:02.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0018 Add beads/filters to audio signals leaving/entering can |
| 17:02.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0019 Consider applying buzz fix |
| 17:02.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0020 No common mode choke on stereo signals (B4102) |
| 17:02.13 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 0021 Use EMI-hardened microphone (MC4301) |
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| 17:04.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb90c30724e2f 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: |
| 17:04.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: fix resource policy handling; since we can't use the |
| 17:04.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: enumeration code in here, it always transferred 0 instead of the |
| 17:04.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: real value :/ |
| 17:04.37 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r43f742d77256 10/tests/ (org.fresmartphone.Usage.py testserver.py): tests: start w/ dbus unit tests |
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| 17:27.01 | PaulFertser | Weiss: that seems to be a good idea, thanks a lot! |
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| 18:10.09 | [Rui] | waves |
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| 18:41.59 | UndrWater | anyone awake using shr-unstable? |
| 18:42.11 | ndnihil | I'm using a fairly recent shr-unstable |
| 18:43.00 | UndrWater | ndnihil: are you using it as a phone? |
| 18:43.06 | ndnihil | yup |
| 18:43.25 | ndnihil | had it out in the wild today in fact |
| 18:44.02 | UndrWater | pretty nice so far for me...but i noticed i can't look through or select any contacts...are you having similar behavior? |
| 18:44.21 | ndnihil | dunno, haven't put my contacts back on there yet :) |
| 18:44.44 | ndnihil | I wiped the sim a few weeks back testing something, and haven't bothered reloading things |
| 18:45.09 | ndnihil | it's usually an inbound call phone though (work line) |
| 18:45.12 | UndrWater | ahh...for a weekend it wasn't a problem...but it will become a pain soon |
| 18:45.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5198 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0010.txt: started ecn removing audio amplifier |
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| 18:45.55 | ndnihil | and I carry a moto w755 as well, so I haven't really had an urgent need to stick numbers back on the fr |
| 18:45.55 | UndrWater | how's your headset volume? |
| 18:46.09 | ndnihil | I don't use the headset, it doesnt fit my ears |
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| 18:46.16 | ndnihil | just wont stay |
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| 18:49.01 | UndrWater | sorry...mean the volume of the handset itself...moko |
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| 18:53.59 | ndnihil | haven't had any problems |
| 18:54.14 | ndnihil | and I sit in a pretty noisy room |
| 18:54.27 | ndnihil | I would like to see a proper volume control though |
| 18:55.29 | PaulFertser | Guys, different revisions have different volume because of hardware differences. And it's impossible to tell which one has that extra cap in the earpiece path and which one doesn't. |
| 18:56.35 | ndnihil | can't tell by opening it and looking? |
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| 18:57.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: hm, let me see. |
| 18:57.31 | ndnihil | either way, a volume slider/knob would be a good thing |
| 18:58.00 | ndnihil | I tried the one for the toolbar, but it did nothing |
| 18:58.02 | UndrWater | i'm using a 3rd party one...haven't tested it too much |
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| 18:58.35 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: r3004/r3005 on some models are 1uF caps iirc |
| 18:58.37 | ndnihil | actually, I'm not sure I've tried that on this flash |
| 18:58.40 | UndrWater | pymixer |
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| 18:59.02 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: is it the buzzfix cap? |
| 18:59.09 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: no |
| 18:59.22 | ndnihil | where would it be located? |
| 18:59.56 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: can you explain a little more what "different volume" means? or point to some documentation? |
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| 19:01.13 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: under the can, near left lower side of U3001 |
| 19:02.18 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: one models have 1uF caps in series with the earpiece and other have 0R there. |
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| 19:02.27 | ndnihil | thanks, I'll check it out in the morning |
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| 19:03.30 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: but nobody really knows when they come and when they go. I have v6 and i seem to not have it (because the volume with A7 state file is really unbearable high). |
| 19:03.53 | ndnihil | how do you tell what version you have? |
| 19:04.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: cat /proc/cpuinfo also it's written on the pcb. |
| 19:04.21 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: have you already dismounted the can at least once? |
| 19:04.27 | ndnihil | nope |
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| 19:04.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i suggest you refer to instructions at GTA02_bass_fix then. Be careful. |
| 19:05.08 | ndnihil | will do |
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| 19:05.17 | ndnihil | can't be much worse than taking apart any other phone |
| 19:05.28 | ndnihil | motorolas can be quite a delicate pain in the ass |
| 19:05.40 | ndnihil | particularly with the new style keypads |
| 19:05.50 | ndnihil | that shit bends way too easily |
| 19:06.42 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: cans in nokia phones can be dismounted more easily. With FR you need more patience. |
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| 19:12.25 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: are you saying that with some of the revisions volume can't be changed, is too high / low, or it's just different? |
| 19:12.52 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: just different so you need to tweak alsa controls to your liking yourself. |
| 19:13.04 | UndrWater | got it |
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| 19:13.31 | UndrWater | is there a standard name for the headset speaker? |
| 19:13.32 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: have you seen the pretty routing diagram? |
| 19:13.44 | UndrWater | no |
| 19:14.10 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem |
| 19:14.55 | UndrWater | aha..very pretty |
| 19:15.09 | ndnihil | same as the gta02? |
| 19:16.11 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's actually for the gta02 |
| 19:16.37 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: gta01 alsa driver is kind of different. The "pretty" diagram with alsa control names is for gta02. |
| 19:18.18 | UndrWater | that's great...very helpful |
| 19:18.24 | UndrWater | thank you |
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| 19:20.55 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: you're welcome |
| 19:24.42 | [Rui] | how does one close a window in Elementary? Not the main window, just another one...? |
| 19:24.44 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5199 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: GPS work in progress |
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| 19:29.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5200 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0009.txt): Completed ECN0009. |
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| 19:34.33 | ndnihil | Revision : 24420360 |
| 19:34.43 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: that's v6 |
| 19:34.46 | ndnihil | I don't suppose there is a wiki page regarding the translation of revision? |
| 19:34.48 | ndnihil | ah |
| 19:35.09 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: 2442 is the SoC name (same for all gta02s), 0306 means gta02v6 |
| 19:35.58 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 19:35.59 | ndnihil | thanks |
| 19:36.44 | ndnihil | so 03 is the third version? prototype, gta01, gta02? |
| 19:36.49 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: my v6 probably has 0R there (but i forgot to actually check when it was easy to do during bass fix). But some devices, probably including v5 and v7 have 1uF there. Even OM employees are unable to tell. |
| 19:37.08 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: (03) no idea |
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| 19:39.22 | ndnihil | I did notice an afterthought of a resistor(?) on the uSD pins |
| 19:40.04 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's a cap |
| 19:40.41 | ndnihil | ah |
| 19:40.51 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: to avoid interference from SD communication on GPS reception. |
| 19:42.01 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: unfortunately, it's not enough because data lines are the same as clock and can harm too. OTOH kernel allows to tune drive strength, so GPS can work well even when uSD is actively used. |
| 19:42.29 | ndnihil | any way to speed up gps fix? |
| 19:42.36 | lindi- | ndnihil: agps |
| 19:42.44 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: but not yet supported in FSO. |
| 19:42.46 | lindi- | ndnihil: external gps antenna. climb to a mountain |
| 19:43.08 | ndnihil | to be honest, I'm surprised it works at all in here |
| 19:43.20 | ndnihil | this house is built with wire mesh and plaster |
| 19:43.25 | ndnihil | it's a large farraday cage |
| 19:43.28 | lindi- | :) |
| 19:43.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: or you can get a fix in advance (but not more than 2-4 hours before), turn gps off, then the fix will be as fast as with agps. |
| 19:44.09 | PaulFertser | (almost) |
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| 19:44.57 | mjr | so the chip/the scripts actually store the ephemeris data from the last time? |
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| 19:45.08 | PaulFertser | mjr: FSO does that, yes |
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| 19:45.22 | mjr | oo |
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| 19:49.46 | lindi- | mjr: you can also get them from internet |
| 19:49.57 | mjr | yeah I know |
| 19:50.20 | mjr | but minimizing unnecessary reliance on that is nice |
| 19:50.34 | lindi- | yes |
| 19:50.48 | lindi- | there using gsm cell database to estimate current position helps |
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| 21:01.27 | novalis_dt | Python packaging in shr is kind of fucked up. python-email depends on python-audio (?!!!) |
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| 22:17.58 | PaulFertser | novalis_dt: you know where the shr bugtracker is at, don't you? |
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| 23:03.59 | tclarke2 | I've got a question about opkg, is this the right forum? |
| 23:04.15 | tclarke2 | I'm wondering if there's some docs on opkg.conf |
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| 23:09.47 | PaulFertser | tclarke2: i think you can mostly use ipkg docs as a reference. |
| 23:10.53 | tclarke2 | ok, I'll see if that yields anything...a quick google shows a page in "Building a Custom Distribution" re: ipkg.conf...prob has enough info for what I need |
| 23:10.54 | tclarke2 | thanks |
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