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| 00:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | Prodego: too late for mickey|zzZZzz :-) |
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| 00:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen mickey|zzZZzz |
| 00:10.45 | apt | mickey|zzzzzz is currently on #htc-linux #openmoko #openezx. Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 13h 33m 30s, last said: 'rap100: fb works, SD works, GSM works, USB works. no audio, no gprs, no wifi, no bluetooth'. |
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| 00:15.59 | Prodego | he is actually idle 1:21:26 |
| 00:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | Prodego: see #openmoko-cdevel :-) |
| 00:19.38 | Prodego | DocMobilizer: you can also get it authoritiarively from /whois mickey|zzZZzz mickey|zzZZzz |
| 00:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | Prodego: btw: WTF? 23k wiki-edits?! o.O |
| 00:19.50 | Prodego | you should meet j.delanoy |
| 00:20.22 | Prodego | he has more than 10 times that |
| 00:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | errrrr |
| 00:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
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| 07:29.33 | Blu3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.33 | Blu3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.53 | Blu3 | edbus-edbus, in stereo now, or packaging typo? |
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| 07:40.16 | dns53 | maybe they are renameing it? you can probably remove one and install the other |
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| 07:50.43 | Blu3 | yes, well i think confirmation would be good. packages often break :) |
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| 09:00.47 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 09:40.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:40.15 | badcloud1 | 'morning |
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| 09:46.57 | badcloud | I've been scouring the net for some sign of an nes/snes/both emulator on openmoko |
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| 09:47.15 | badcloud | are there plans to develop something like that? |
| 09:50.15 | thrashold | Could I burn something if I enable USB host with power while the phone is connected to a powered USB port? |
| 09:52.52 | thrashold | badcloud: What do you use on a PC? |
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| 09:59.35 | mjr | doesn't know but wouldn't risk it |
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| 10:17.39 | thrashold | mjr: I don't have the intention to try, I just want to know if using my USB mode switching script is "dangerous" |
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| 10:46.36 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc065fd2209ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 10:46.36 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] reorder suspend/resume commands |
| 10:46.36 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: make sure SMS/CB notifications are disabled first, and reenabled last |
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| 11:30.13 | badcloud | thrashold, mednafen |
| 11:30.21 | badcloud | why? |
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| 11:32.00 | thrashold | you could install/compile it for openmoko |
| 11:32.17 | thrashold | Though, I'm not sure how would you handle the controls... |
| 11:34.53 | badcloud | that's my main concern |
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| 11:58.12 | badcloud | someone remember the dir for ringtone settings in shr (I know I can change it via settings)? |
| 12:05.08 | thrashold | Damn :( |
| 12:05.20 | thrashold | The ping over the usb networking is dying 5 seconds after plugin |
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| 12:06.41 | PaulFertser | thrashold: looks like you have something evil (like NetworkManager) interfering? ;) |
| 12:07.01 | thrashold | no, yesterday wicd was interfering |
| 12:07.09 | thrashold | but now the IPs are up on both sides |
| 12:09.10 | thrashold | The phone has 192.168.0.202 up on usb0, but doesn't reply on arp requests... |
| 12:09.40 | PaulFertser | Well, why is the ping dying? Is routing ok on both sides? Are interfaces not changing? No tricky iptables configuration? |
| 12:11.12 | thrashold | Routing is a bit murky, but ... It worked an hour ago with the same routing, _and_ arping doesn't get any replies :) |
| 12:11.20 | badcloud | nm, found it |
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| 12:14.56 | thrashold | Is there any chance that The Curse of Monkey Island would work on gta02? :D |
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| 12:32.46 | thrashold | On which event device should the AUX button be detected? |
| 12:33.51 | thrashold | Hm, event4 |
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| 13:37.43 | badcloud | thrashold, MI3? I suspect it's too heavy |
| 13:37.58 | thrashold | Yep, I already realized MI1 was too heafvy :D |
| 13:38.32 | thrashold | (Partly due to the fact that E starts to eat CPU when I rotate the screen, I will upgrade E now..) |
| 13:38.41 | badcloud | and by the way, is there some way to auto lock/aux (screenlock) on boot, once x loads the desktop icons? |
| 13:39.13 | badcloud | DOTT runs fairly well |
| 13:39.33 | badcloud | Indiana Jones and the fate o' Atlantis is smooth |
| 13:39.43 | thrashold | Well, so far I tried MI1, MI2 and The Legend of Kyrandia |
| 13:39.53 | badcloud | I tried MI1 as well |
| 13:39.59 | badcloud | was that jerky for you? |
| 13:40.01 | thrashold | MI2 and LoK work fine |
| 13:40.09 | badcloud | on which distro? |
| 13:40.22 | thrashold | Debian |
| 13:40.22 | badcloud | I can't get the keyboard to popup during MI2 copy protection |
| 13:40.24 | badcloud | ah |
| 13:40.32 | badcloud | I'm running shr mostly |
| 13:40.49 | thrashold | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm This says how to skip the copy protection :) |
| 13:41.00 | badcloud | thanks |
| 13:41.09 | badcloud | did you find out how to emulate aux? |
| 13:41.42 | thrashold | Hm, explain what do you want to do? |
| 13:43.06 | thrashold | You can write a four-five line C program to do that |
| 13:43.52 | thrashold | Do you have somewhere to compile programs for your phone? |
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| 13:45.46 | badcloud | hmm, sure |
| 13:45.56 | badcloud | I thought it might be a simple one line command |
| 13:45.59 | badcloud | but shoot |
| 13:46.17 | thrashold | It's quite simple |
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| 13:46.41 | badcloud | ok |
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| 13:49.18 | badcloud | so what do I do? |
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| 13:52.59 | thrashold | Wait a second |
| 13:53.18 | badcloud | sure |
| 13:54.29 | Think-Free | Hi ! I'm looking for a librairy to build a virtual keyboard for Xorg ( no efl ) .. any ideas ? |
| 13:55.16 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/117571/ |
| 13:55.30 | thrashold | Compile this with gcc keyemu.c -o keyemu -lX11 -lXtst |
| 13:55.45 | thrashold | and add keyemu 177 to your .xsession, after a sleep possiblt |
| 13:55.51 | jonkristian | are there any known problems with Qi on shr? |
| 13:55.56 | thrashold | is that what you want to do? |
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| 13:57.05 | badcloud | I think so, thanks |
| 13:57.35 | matholio | is the openmoko project still going? |
| 13:57.51 | thrashold | Though it requires XTest, which might or might not be available on SHR |
| 13:58.05 | badcloud | hmm, seems like too much work for something so small |
| 13:58.19 | badcloud | all I wanted was for the screen to be locked after boot |
| 13:59.10 | thrashold | I believe XTest always comes with X, both the lib and the extension, but I'm not sure |
| 13:59.15 | thrashold | it does on Gentoo and Debian :) |
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| 14:04.55 | thrashold | Now let me destroy my installation :D |
| 14:11.17 | jonkristian | what to do if the sdcard is mounted read-only in shr? |
| 14:11.30 | jonkristian | i've been searching, but in a bit of hurry:/ |
| 14:18.35 | jonkristian | nvmnd, mkfs problem i think. |
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| 14:48.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r99e5add87a14 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:48.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain and namespace clashes |
| 14:48.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 14:48.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * ra8e9b551fddd 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: |
| 14:48.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain & namespace name clashes |
| 14:48.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: - Introduce fso:no-container boolean attribute |
| 14:48.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: (i.e. errordomain has no proper name) |
| 14:48.37 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: - Compute names accordingly |
| 14:48.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: - Adds error_name_index for the indexing of errordomains |
| 14:48.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 15:00.51 | panicking | Hi all |
| 15:01.00 | panicking | have you take a look to this project? |
| 15:01.08 | panicking | oFono.org |
| 15:01.20 | leinir | Hehe, you're a couple of days late, but yes :) |
| 15:01.39 | leinir | there's at least a couple of threads about it on the mailing list(s) as well :) |
| 15:02.32 | panicking | leinir, yes but I'm busy so I don't follow every project |
| 15:02.47 | panicking | other gsm-stack |
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| 15:04.25 | panicking | I have download the project to take a look |
| 15:04.56 | leinir | So, what's the word on it? :) |
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| 15:05.31 | leinir | i've only read that they have a hefty case of NIH, or to be exact, that they think that fdo is too low level :) |
| 15:08.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r29d23b8558df 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/ (2 files): |
| 15:08.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Add errors for Usage and Resource |
| 15:08.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 15:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | leinir: which is plain ridiculous btw |
| 15:17.43 | leinir | DocScrutinizer: Indeed :) |
| 15:18.18 | thrashold | I found out why my desktop icons didn't work in E... |
| 15:18.22 | thrashold | I had two set of desktops |
| 15:18.28 | thrashold | one over the another... |
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| 15:24.23 | thrashold | Can anyone give any hint how to make the desktop not interfere with the launcher, or make the desktop icons I add go into the launcher? |
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| 15:42.58 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r550912599543 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: |
| 15:42.58 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Introduce a temporary hack before type parse enhancements |
| 15:42.58 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 15:44.03 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r4f531f91a9fa 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: |
| 15:44.03 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Introduce ResourceName enumeration |
| 15:44.03 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 15:45.48 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r9cca6ed6b66c 10/src/ (3 files): |
| 15:45.48 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Regenerate with UsageError, ResourceError and ResourceName |
| 15:45.48 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 15:49.54 | thrashold | How is the creation of links in ~/.e/e/appshadow configured? |
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| 16:34.21 | vininim | wat |
| 16:34.30 | vininim | I thought intone was already at shr-unstable feed |
| 16:36.59 | vininim | updating does fix stuff |
| 16:38.39 | wurp2|gone | vininim: Updated shr-unstable has a valid power menu and no other obvious problems? |
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| 16:41.51 | vininim | wurp2: only updated, not upgraded yet |
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| 17:11.10 | jonkristian | is the majority on shr-testing or unstable? |
| 17:12.38 | Guest74821 | I do not kwno waht majorty does but I am duel booting my phone with android on sd card and shr testng on the phone |
| 17:13.05 | jonkristian | ok |
| 17:13.48 | jonkristian | cupcake? |
| 17:14.41 | Guest74821 | yes, cupcake |
| 17:17.24 | jonkristian | cool, how is the cupcake image, you are using serdar's image? http://moko.serdar-dere.net/ |
| 17:17.34 | jonkristian | and with what kernel? |
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| 17:57.53 | anttna | hi, I haven't been following ml's etc lately so this may be irrelevant. |
| 17:57.54 | anttna | I flashed nevento (from shr) and got several sms's from 2 months ago for the first time, |
| 17:57.54 | anttna | I haven't searched for bugs etc just thought I would mention it |
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| 18:01.31 | PaulFertser | Hey people, greet wolfgang_spraul , the big Boss :) |
| 18:02.02 | wolfgang_spraul | PaulFertser, hmmm |
| 18:02.17 | wolfgang_spraul | I will think about that one... |
| 18:03.09 | wolfgang_spraul | PaulFertser, how is everything? |
| 18:03.57 | wolfgang_spraul | I think Werner started some really interesting stuff with gta02-core, working on components libraries, open layout using Kicad, etc... |
| 18:05.35 | PaulFertser | wolfgang_spraul: everything is going on. Not as fast as it was before, but well, it's still nice. I saw Werner's commits here but i haven't checked the code and it wasn't obvious from the commit messages what is he after. |
| 18:06.43 | wolfgang_spraul | PaulFertser, how do you feel about the kernel now? |
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| 18:06.54 | wolfgang_spraul | I am a bit worried, read stuff about WSOD, wifi bugs, etc. |
| 18:07.25 | wolfgang_spraul | there is a lot of good activity from Nelson and others helping him, but still I am not entirely clear about the overall quality of the kernel on gta02 |
| 18:07.37 | wolfgang_spraul | we never got around to having a really powerful automated kernel test |
| 18:07.49 | wolfgang_spraul | that would go through all peripherals, etc. |
| 18:07.52 | wolfgang_spraul | not so easy... |
| 18:08.58 | PaulFertser | wolfgang_spraul: imho wifi bugs are something that still needs attention. I'm afraid Werner doesn't have enough free (or paid) time to do it now, but reports about wifi working with .24 and not working with .28-.29 are worrying. And i had a wifi-related panic (can't provide dump :( ) just yesterday. Bad thing about wifi is that atheros acknoledges some critical bugs but isn't going to fix them (at least it looks like that). |
| 18:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | wolfgang_spraul: hi! :-) |
| 18:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | long time no see ;-) |
| 18:09.42 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, hey |
| 18:09.50 | wolfgang_spraul | thanks for the warm welcome |
| 18:10.03 | PaulFertser | wolfgang_spraul: automating testing is hard to do right, yes :-/ BTW, lindi- is doing quite some automated tests, including kernel-related. Nelson is doing good pushing things upstream btw, he already received some suggestions from RMK and other arm folks, so this looks like a way to go. |
| 18:10.47 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, did you see what Werner started with gta02-core, trying to redraw layout/schematics in kicad etc? |
| 18:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | wolfgang_spraul: are you fine with me publishing net-lists of gta02? netlists are a more abstract representation of the info included in schem already public |
| 18:11.18 | wolfgang_spraul | what is it exactly? |
| 18:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | wolfgang_spraul: yes, I've seen and followed gta02-core |
| 18:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | wolfgang_spraul: (exactly) a set of tuples, each consisting of component pins' names which share same trace |
| 18:12.45 | wolfgang_spraul | ok why not? |
| 18:13.09 | wolfgang_spraul | is this some file we have on our servers right now? |
| 18:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | no reasonable cons, just wanted to ask for PC ;-) |
| 18:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | wolfgang_spraul: nope, I have to create those from PADS |
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| 18:13.43 | wolfgang_spraul | I have never seen this data |
| 18:13.58 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, one thing confuses me about gta02-core |
| 18:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | It's not usually needed for fab purposes |
| 18:14.19 | wolfgang_spraul | werner says we can help him by releasing board outline ("gen020.pho") |
| 18:14.28 | wolfgang_spraul | and 'footprints' |
| 18:14.35 | wolfgang_spraul | is this stuff from gta02 or gta03? |
| 18:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | gta02 |
| 18:14.55 | wolfgang_spraul | "gen020.pho" - what is that? |
| 18:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | footprints are IP though I think |
| 18:15.03 | wolfgang_spraul | isn't this a PADS layout proprietary file format? |
| 18:15.11 | wolfgang_spraul | then nobody could use it for anything, I would think |
| 18:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | dunno this particular file |
| 18:15.38 | wolfgang_spraul | what I suggest is this - let's not release original PADS Layout file formats right now |
| 18:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI he wants to use the GERBER to extract footprints |
| 18:15.52 | wolfgang_spraul | first of all this would require anybody to have the proprietary software |
| 18:16.09 | wolfgang_spraul | second it's 'politically charged', so I would need to get permission for releasing the 'GERBERS' etc. |
| 18:16.31 | wolfgang_spraul | but if you go and export some valuable, static, information from PADS Layout as 'documentation', then I totally support that we do it and publish it |
| 18:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | well it's all a very critical thing wrt IP (of mentorgrafix etc) |
| 18:16.45 | wolfgang_spraul | as PDF, or PNG or whatever |
| 18:17.52 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, can you export the 'net-lists', maybe also 'footprints' into a static file format? |
| 18:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | yup, agree. I'm not very happy with the whole gta02-core thing tho |
| 18:18.10 | wolfgang_spraul | maybe send it to me for review if you want to be totally sure. But you know in general the more documentation the better. |
| 18:18.13 | wolfgang_spraul | That's the whole point of Openmoko! |
| 18:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | netlists are plain ascii |
| 18:18.22 | wolfgang_spraul | cool |
| 18:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | footprints are proprietary alltimes |
| 18:18.50 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, which file format could footprints be represented in - ideally open file format? |
| 18:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | as they need to be used by the layout prog |
| 18:18.57 | wolfgang_spraul | 'footprint' sounds visual, can this be a PNG? |
| 18:19.16 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, ok, maybe just start with the net-lists |
| 18:19.24 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, why are you not happy about gta02-core? |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | png wouldn't contain the exact length values etc |
| 18:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | gta02-core is senseless disappointing work |
| 18:19.58 | wolfgang_spraul | which standard format for footprints could we export to? something that kicad could import? |
| 18:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | no result whatsoever |
| 18:20.05 | wolfgang_spraul | why so? |
| 18:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | (standard) there is none |
| 18:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | we had to export to kicad directly. And footprint lib is IP of mentor |
| 18:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI |
| 18:20.58 | wolfgang_spraul | oh |
| 18:21.02 | wolfgang_spraul | IP of mentor? |
| 18:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | (why so) no resulting useable product. much money burnt for nothing |
| 18:21.26 | wolfgang_spraul | why not? |
| 18:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | (IP) usually |
| 18:21.34 | wolfgang_spraul | ok, let's do one by one |
| 18:21.38 | wolfgang_spraul | you just go ahead with the net-lists for now |
| 18:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:21.47 | wolfgang_spraul | since you seem to think that is helpful documentation for some people |
| 18:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:22.00 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, 'net-list' != GERBER, correct? |
| 18:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | been asked for it |
| 18:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | yup correct |
| 18:22.13 | wolfgang_spraul | the only thing that we have not yet agreed to release are the 'GERBERS' |
| 18:22.23 | DocScrutinizer | gerber is "postscript for PCB" |
| 18:22.34 | wolfgang_spraul | but any additional documentation files exported from PADS should be find |
| 18:22.38 | wolfgang_spraul | same as the schematics |
| 18:22.42 | wolfgang_spraul | yes I know |
| 18:22.51 | wolfgang_spraul | why do you think gta02-core will not result in a useable product? |
| 18:23.08 | wolfgang_spraul | I like the fact that they move schematics and layout to a fully open software (kicad) |
| 18:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | It will lag behind even FR |
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| 18:23.22 | wolfgang_spraul | in which area? |
| 18:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but they could start "to implement the process" (quote werner) by using decent components like 6410 |
| 18:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | not this old obsolete crap |
| 18:24.27 | wolfgang_spraul | I think most important is upgrade to 3G |
| 18:24.34 | wolfgang_spraul | 2442 or 6410 is secondary |
| 18:24.38 | wolfgang_spraul | but that's a separate discussion |
| 18:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup, ack |
| 18:24.51 | wolfgang_spraul | overall I think the kicad stuff goes in the right direction |
| 18:24.58 | wolfgang_spraul | we just need to support it better |
| 18:25.01 | wolfgang_spraul | maybe with some more documentation |
| 18:25.05 | wolfgang_spraul | later maybe with components |
| 18:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, sorry to have a date in 4min. Maybe we can discuss in #gta02-core further? later on... |
| 18:25.32 | wolfgang_spraul | DocScrutinizer, as you know I always want to learn - when you have the 'net-lists' please keep me posted, want to see what it is exactly... :-) |
| 18:25.41 | wolfgang_spraul | it's late here, I go to sleep soon (2.30 AM) |
| 18:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | np, will do |
| 18:25.48 | wolfgang_spraul | sitting in the shiny Openmoko office :-) |
| 18:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 18:25.54 | wolfgang_spraul | cy |
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| 18:36.04 | lindi- | PaulFertser: my current problem with automated call testing is that my VOIP provider is not reliable :) |
| 18:36.23 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so, that's great results. FR is more reliable than VoIP provider ;) |
| 18:36.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I've filed support ticked with them but they haven't replied |
| 18:36.33 | PaulFertser | Reliability milestone, i'd say. |
| 18:38.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you know what my ISP says when i'm trying to convince them that their last router shouldn't silently drop packets with > 1492 bytes (directed from the internet to me or any their customer) and instead send ICMP framentation needed but DF set response? |
| 18:38.18 | lindi- | PaulFertser: heh, the problem is that we already replaced our old non-voip phones |
| 18:39.08 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: have you tried reinstalling windows? |
| 18:39.13 | PaulFertser | lindi-: They say: "Well what problems exactly with accessing the Interent are you experiencing?" |
| 18:41.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: and that after exchanging > 5 emails where i send them detailed tracerouting, pinging with various sizes, comparision with some random german adsl provider (that does the right thing) and they just report something like "That's how our routing works" "You should use MTU=1492" and other nonsence. |
| 18:41.35 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 18:43.02 | SpeedEvil | Probably one of the less broken aspects of the modern internet. |
| 18:43.13 | SpeedEvil | way too many people don't understand why the protocols work |
| 18:43.26 | SpeedEvil | wonders when it'll all come crashing down. |
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| 18:45.54 | thrashold | Is anyone here sure that FR doesn't have the problem with taking the battery out while charing and fried PMU? |
| 18:46.06 | thrashold | charging |
| 18:47.07 | PaulFertser | thrashold: I'm :) |
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| 18:47.15 | PaulFertser | thrashold: why do you ask? |
| 18:47.22 | thrashold | Because I think that I fried my freerunner |
| 18:48.28 | PaulFertser | thrashold: oh boy. What exactly you did? |
| 18:48.47 | thrashold | Took the battery out two times today while on USB power |
| 18:49.03 | thrashold | Three |
| 18:49.42 | thrashold | The first one, the phone went off at the moment I took the battery out. And I think that this fried my phone |
| 18:50.09 | thrashold | The second one, I was running SHR (I run Debian usually), and the phone continued to run, I put another battery... |
| 18:50.29 | thrashold | The third one, I took the battery out, the phone switched off and I heard a cracking sound |
| 18:50.45 | thrashold | low-frequency noise |
| 18:50.55 | SpeedEvil | what happens now |
| 18:51.01 | SpeedEvil | when you put in battery |
| 18:51.03 | SpeedEvil | and plug it in |
| 18:51.19 | thrashold | Didn't boot at first, will try again now |
| 18:51.53 | thrashold | Boots |
| 18:52.01 | thrashold | I'm not sure yet |
| 18:52.20 | SpeedEvil | Operation off USB only is at best flaky |
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| 18:52.39 | SpeedEvil | especilly if you've not turned the modem off |
| 18:52.42 | thrashold | I'm just experiencing the problem that the phone is not charging my battery, while /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status says Charging |
| 18:53.12 | PaulFertser | thrashold: how do you say? |
| 18:53.14 | thrashold | capacity went from 0 to 1 in half an hour |
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| 18:54.15 | thrashold | I will try to charge it in SHR now |
| 18:54.22 | thrashold | and we'll see, I hope I'm wrong :) |
| 18:54.54 | PaulFertser | thrashold: what's the battery current? |
| 18:55.38 | thrashold | was 3932100 before I heard the cracking sound |
| 18:56.01 | leinir | Hmm... just found out that Mer is being ported... that's kinda interesting :) |
| 18:56.01 | PaulFertser | thrashold: current? |
| 18:56.01 | thrashold | that is, before I took it out to put another one |
| 18:56.09 | thrashold | oops |
| 18:56.18 | thrashold | hah, don't listen to me :D |
| 18:56.23 | thrashold | I read "voltage |
| 18:56.42 | thrashold | and even pasted time_to_full_now instead of voltage_now |
| 18:56.42 | thrashold | :D |
| 18:56.54 | thrashold | Wait |
| 18:57.39 | thrashold | 105562 current_now |
| 18:58.20 | thrashold | capacity is 0, status is Charging |
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| 18:58.32 | PaulFertser | thrashold: so, the battery is charging with 105mA |
| 18:58.52 | thrashold | How much time will it take to reach 5%? |
| 18:58.53 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i guess :) |
| 18:59.34 | SpeedEvil | about half an hour |
| 18:59.39 | SpeedEvil | if that is accurate |
| 19:00.21 | thrashold | OK, so after half an hour or so I'll know if I have a problem, or I'm just talking bullshit... |
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| 19:00.51 | thrashold | But the phone made a cracking sound when I removed the battery, which scared me |
| 19:01.06 | thrashold | And the cracking sound stopped when I took the USB cable out |
| 19:01.26 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you did the right thing. Probably one shouldn't take out the battery with GSM enabled. |
| 19:01.50 | wurp2 | vininim: Thanks. Sorry for the slow reply; I wandered off |
| 19:02.00 | thrashold | Hm, is GSM enabled by default when there is no SIM card and only frameworkd running? |
| 19:02.20 | PaulFertser | thrashold: without SIM 500mA from USB should be enough anyway... |
| 19:02.55 | PaulFertser | thrashold: GSM is powered all the time any dialer app is running. |
| 19:02.58 | thrashold | current_now changed to -51562 |
| 19:03.30 | thrashold | When I heard the cracking sound I didn't have any dialer app (I managed to screw zhone's libraries, so no dialer for me in Debian) |
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| 19:03.50 | PaulFertser | thrashold: hm... I'd still suggest you to close all the dialer apps now and see how it goes (charging)... |
| 19:05.02 | thrashold | I don't have any such open. Should I kill ophonekitd? |
| 19:06.22 | PaulFertser | thrashold: i'd do that just in case |
| 19:06.40 | PaulFertser | thrashold: if you don't have gsm0710muxd running then most probably the modem is turned off. |
| 19:06.52 | thrashold | I have |
| 19:07.13 | thrashold | It dissappeared when I killed ophonekitd |
| 19:08.36 | thrashold | Anything in sysfs for the power status of the modem? |
| 19:09.05 | PaulFertser | thrashold: sure |
| 19:09.29 | PaulFertser | thrashold: cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 19:09.38 | thrashold | 0 |
| 19:11.03 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/117629/ I've been getting this for some time now, I noticed it yesterday |
| 19:12.13 | PaulFertser | thrashold: that's ok |
| 19:12.35 | PaulFertser | thrashold: debugging messages that just happened to have a level too high. |
| 19:12.36 | thrashold | I'll try to switch to a wall charger |
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| 19:14.52 | thrashold | Ah, it's all fine there |
| 19:14.55 | thrashold | No problems |
| 19:15.06 | thrashold | Thanks, it seems that I was wrong |
| 19:15.12 | thrashold | my battery quickly went to 3% |
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| 19:18.03 | thrashold | OK, so, I don't have anything fried |
| 19:18.25 | thrashold | Or at least I don't have any reason to believe otherwise |
| 19:20.13 | thrashold | I'm sorry for the false alarm :) |
| 19:20.16 | thrashold | But I'm still a bit scared from the cracking sound, is there any possibility that it is dangerous? |
| 19:20.49 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you should better ask DocScrutinizer about it. |
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| 19:32.48 | thrashold | But it was the same thing as with GTA01 (which I assumed was harmless when I heard it), just several octaves lower. :) Given the frequency difference, it sounds as it is frying with a lower speed (like 15 minutes to fry or something) :D |
| 19:32.54 | thrashold | as if it is |
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| 19:33.22 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you should definetely contact DocScrutinizer to discuss it. |
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| 19:38.58 | thrashold | Hm, will he mind if I sent him a mail with a description of the problem? |
| 19:39.22 | PaulFertser | thrashold: sure not :) |
| 19:39.33 | PaulFertser | thrashold: Cc OM-hardware ML too. |
| 19:40.16 | thrashold | Can I send mails to that list if I'm not subscribed, or I should subscribe? |
| 19:42.21 | PaulFertser | thrashold: you might try, jc said he was going to enable it. |
| 19:42.57 | PaulFertser | thrashold: no harm anyway, just add your Cc, Joerg will reply and his reply with your mail quoted will reach it anyway. |
| 19:43.28 | PaulFertser | thrashold: hardware@lists.openmoko.org |
| 19:43.38 | thrashold | OK |
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| 20:03.58 | mib_fq4qwies | is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 any good? |
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| 20:08.11 | doc|home | mib_fq4qwies: wrong channel |
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| 21:15.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03daveb * r4993 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): Split cpu further - mostly into one subsystem per part. |
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| 21:57.57 | anttna | I showed mokomaze to someone yesterday and for the first time they were impressed by my fr (even with my dodgy screen) |
| 21:58.36 | anttna | I'm must try to install more apps with wow factor, where is frozen bubble ? :) |
| 22:04.32 | rhkfin | anttna: cool :) |
| 22:04.50 | rhkfin | anttna: there isn't many more apps with that wow factor. Maybe numpty physics. |
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| 22:23.57 | anttna | rhkfin: to be fair I forgot about np they liked that too |
| 22:26.48 | rhkfin | ok :) |
| 22:27.12 | rhkfin | I think someone somewhere wrote about froze buble but can't remember.. |
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| 22:37.09 | doc|laptop | so, shr or om2009? :/ |
| 22:38.16 | rhkfin | Anyone know how to check GSM firmware version? |
| 22:38.30 | rhkfin | uses om2009 but belongs to minority here.. |
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| 22:43.09 | Weiss | is thinking of trying OM2009 |
| 22:45.40 | rhkfin | Weiss: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues to see what you'll get. Some stuff works, some doesn't. Bug testing etc is warmly welcomed, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048061.html |
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| 22:46.38 | rhkfin | enjoys mediawiki syntax higlighting of Kate :) |
| 22:46.59 | Weiss | OM2009 uses X.org? |
| 22:47.13 | doc|laptop | rhkfin: does it recognise the telephone numbers of people who send you sms? |
| 22:47.22 | rhkfin | doc|laptop: it does |
| 22:47.28 | doc|laptop | one of the things that annoyed me about shr was that, I had no clue who the sms was from :/ |
| 22:47.36 | rhkfin | Weiss: /me never learned X.org and xserver differences.. |
| 22:47.36 | Weiss | same for phone calls? |
| 22:47.39 | doc|laptop | is that fixed in shr yet does anyone know? |
| 22:47.52 | doc|laptop | Weiss: dunno, didn't use the phone for long enough to find out :( |
| 22:48.05 | rhkfin | Weiss: not sure.. I think it does (at least the devel version already does -> next testing will at the latest.. I think t3 already does..) |
| 22:48.29 | doc|laptop | every month or two I do an update, play with it for 5 minutes, get disappointed and go back to using my crappy motorola |
| 22:48.32 | Weiss | rhkfin: X.org is the new one, Xglamo(=Kdrive) is the "old one"... i'm curious because i want something which vaguely works for SMS/phone calls, but which i can use for my DRI devel work |
| 22:51.42 | rhkfin | Weiss: Debian? |
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| 22:56.15 | anttna | rhkfin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 22:56.16 | anttna | does the last line work only on SHR? |
| 22:57.25 | rhkfin | anttna: a sec.. |
| 22:58.07 | rhkfin | hmm.. don't know.. |
| 22:59.17 | rhkfin | anttna: no idea how to test it? HOd wo I apply the AT command to GSM modem? |
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| 23:02.18 | anttna | rhkfin: sorry dude your asking the wrong person |
| 23:03.52 | anttna | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd but it says it does not work for om2008:08 |
| 23:04.41 | Weiss | anttna: the one about shr-settings? |
| 23:04.48 | SpeedEvil | 2008.8 has itself gone away |
| 23:05.26 | rhkfin | so has 2008.9 and 2008.12.. |
| 23:08.09 | anttna | rhkfin: I've never used the SHR command I just remembered reading it on the wiki |
| 23:08.09 | anttna | as for the OM I think it may not work for OM09 either |
| 23:08.38 | rhkfin | anttna: I might have a hint.. |
| 23:09.29 | anttna | rhkfin: so I see :) |
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| 23:30.47 | slaxxer | so with the new shr-unstable latest.bin things get improved? |
| 23:31.55 | rhkfin | Things always improve :) |
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