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| 04:24.49 | slaxxer | As of release 12.2, Slackware is now officially supported on the Neo Freerunner |
| 04:24.52 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:51.21 | hackerb9 | Hi. I'm trying to dial a phone number that ends in a # (hash mark) and I keep failing. I've tried with FDOM, FSO, and SHR. When I press "Dial" the button lights up but no call is made. I've also tested using mdbus (no call is made if the number ends in #) and with mickeyterm ("ATD123#" returns ERROR twice). |
| 05:53.30 | hackerb9 | Does anybody know how I can work around this? I need to dial various numbers that end in # to access my carrier's services (T-mobile in the US). |
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| 05:55.04 | hackerb9 | Um... hello? Anybody home? |
| 05:55.37 | KenYoung | Yes, but I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question. |
| 05:55.57 | hackerb9 | Thank you KenYoung. |
| 05:56.11 | KenYoung | Sorry I can't help. |
| 05:56.34 | hackerb9 | That's okay. Maybe I'll try the developer's channel. |
| 05:57.06 | KenYoung | hackerb9, I think an email to the community list will get more eyeballs. |
| 05:57.31 | mwester | you could try waiting, too. After all, it's past midnight in half the US, and very very early on Sunday morning in Europe.... |
| 05:57.55 | hackerb9 | mwester, good idea |
| 05:58.42 | hackerb9 | KenYoung, thanks, I'll look into the mailing list. |
| 05:59.32 | KenYoung | hackerb9, http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community |
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| 06:00.47 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: do you want to use USSD? |
| 06:01.44 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: then you're supposed to use dedicated frameworkd method for USSD access (and listen for signals, USSD message is fully shown in a USSD received signal). |
| 06:04.15 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: FYI zhone decides to send USSD in case the number starts with "*"; i don't know about ophonekitd. |
| 06:10.40 | hackerb9 | PaulFertser, after reading the wikipedia article it does sound like I'm trying to do USSD. All I know is that to reset my voicemail password, I have to call #973# and T-mobile will send me an SMS with the new password. |
| 06:11.30 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: well, most USSD numbers start with *, so the number you use is not auto-detected as Ussd. Just do it manually with mdbus. |
| 06:12.33 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: you need SendUssdRequest method |
| 06:12.45 | hackerb9 | Oh, okay. |
| 06:13.02 | hackerb9 | I was trying AT+CUSD but that was getting me nowhere. |
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| 06:16.56 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: if it requires some kind of interactivity, you need to call mdbus method manually and at the same time use "mdbus -l" to listen to the signals emitted by frameworkd, among them there should be a reply. |
| 06:21.03 | hackerb9 | When I call SendUssdRequest I get this error "Error org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotReady: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet". I did SetAntennaPower true with a previous dbus-send command. |
| 06:21.44 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: no, you're supposed to be running zhone or ophonekitd or any other phone application before you try. |
| 06:22.18 | hackerb9 | Yup, I'm running ophonekitd. |
| 06:22.27 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: can you make calls? |
| 06:22.32 | hackerb9 | Yes. |
| 06:22.45 | hackerb9 | I can even make calls using my dbus script. |
| 06:23.05 | hackerb9 | I just can't do it when the number ends in a "#". |
| 06:23.48 | hackerb9 | Would it help if I pasted in exactly the dbus command I used? |
| 06:25.24 | ndnihil | did you try escaping the #? |
| 06:25.40 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: hackerb9 http://rafb.net/p/z2tHY040.html |
| 06:25.42 | hackerb9 | /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Devicee org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest string:"#973#" |
| 06:25.59 | hackerb9 | ndnihil, what's the escape character for GSM? |
| 06:26.14 | ndnihil | you're not escaping it from GSM, you're escaping it from the shell |
| 06:26.30 | ndnihil | in that case, single quotes should fix it |
| 06:26.45 | ndnihil | vs the double quotes you have around the #973# |
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| 06:26.52 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: haha, i send you the wrong example :) |
| 06:27.07 | hackerb9 | ndnihil, nope, same error. |
| 06:27.32 | ndnihil | double quotes and a \ before each #? |
| 06:28.17 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: here's the example that works for me: http://rafb.net/p/mEyJ8X48.html |
| 06:28.25 | ndnihil | or no quotes and a \ maybe |
| 06:29.43 | PaulFertser | My example works with bash. And to disable any shell expansion single quotes should be enough. |
| 06:31.09 | hackerb9 | Fails on my phone. Could I have a bum modem? |
| 06:31.48 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: how exactly it fails? with SIM error? Hm, i'm afraid i'm out of ideas here... |
| 06:31.55 | hackerb9 | Though, I notice that calling SendUssdRequest *always* fails for me, even on numbers without # marks. |
| 06:32.28 | PaulFertser | /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Devicee <- this has a typo |
| 06:33.07 | PaulFertser | And you shouldn't do SetAntennaPower manually at all, ophonekitd does that for you on startup. |
| 06:33.19 | hackerb9 | I'm thinking I can test if the modem is at fault by using mickeyterm and sending the raw AT+CUSD command if I could get the syntax right. |
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| 06:35.03 | hackerb9 | I've tried without turning on the antenna power and it still fails. I made a call immediately before so I know ophonekitd works. |
| 06:35.33 | hackerb9 | Could someone please try ATD123# in mickeyterm for me? |
| 06:35.59 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: here's how frameworkd send USSD requests: AT+CUSD=1,"002A0031003000320023",15\r\n |
| 06:36.44 | hackerb9 | That gives an error unless I turn the 15 into a 72. |
| 06:37.46 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://rafb.net/p/Cl2ALP73.html |
| 06:39.27 | hackerb9 | How is the data in the string encoded? Can I just change it to "#973#"? |
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| 06:40.13 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: it's UCS2 |
| 06:40.36 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: and 15 is constant, frameworkd always sends 15. |
| 06:41.02 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: my request is *102# , you can easily compute yours |
| 06:41.47 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: 00230039003700330023 |
| 06:42.10 | hackerb9 | Is there a command line tool for UCS2 encoding? |
| 06:42.22 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: dude |
| 06:42.31 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: 00230039003700330023 |
| 06:43.51 | hackerb9 | AT+CUSD=1,"00230039003700330023",15 gives me ERROR |
| 06:44.15 | hackerb9 | Changing 15 to 72 gives me OK, but I haven't received any SMS reply yet so I'm not sure it worked. |
| 06:44.25 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://rafb.net/p/BnbwIx87.html |
| 06:44.50 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: where do you get 72 from? |
| 06:46.09 | hackerb9 | From random google searches on the openmoko list. |
| 06:47.27 | hackerb9 | Could you please try "ATD123#"? |
| 06:48.32 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: http://rafb.net/p/82R6QR61.html |
| 06:49.10 | hackerb9 | Well, shoot... that's not what mine says. |
| 06:49.29 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: Docs say the last parameter is language and references GSM 03.38, 15 means unspecified. |
| 06:51.03 | hackerb9 | ATD123# gives me "+CME ERROR: unknown" (and then the same operation not allowed that you get) |
| 06:52.52 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: sim-specific behaviour, it seems. |
| 06:54.15 | hackerb9 | Could you please try AT+GMR? |
| 06:54.16 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: btw, for pasting "cat | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" is mad cool |
| 06:55.09 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: sure, +CGMR: "GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11b1" |
| 06:55.12 | hackerb9 | I'll try that, but I think I'll use "xsel", which is like "cat" for the X copy buffer. |
| 06:55.40 | hackerb9 | Weird! You've got a later revision even though I just received my phone. |
| 06:55.52 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: no, full output: http://rafb.net/p/AV6gqo19.html |
| 06:56.04 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: of course you must upgrade your GSM firmware! |
| 06:56.40 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: some important bugs were fixed there since factory flashing, read the changelog. |
| 06:57.21 | hackerb9 | Okay, where's the ChangeLog? |
| 06:57.50 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: just upgrade ;) there's a link to the changelog on the GSM/Flashing wiki page. |
| 06:58.17 | hackerb9 | Thank you. I bet that will fix my problem. |
| 06:58.22 | PaulFertser | hackerb9: but i'm afraid there're no fixes for your particular problem... Still, upgrading to moko11 is the right thing to do. |
| 07:05.11 | hackerb9 | The "lobotomy" procedure at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing looks too dangerous to be doing when I should be sleeping. I'll get back to it tomorrow. Thanks for all your help! |
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| 07:08.41 | PaulFertser | shit |
| 07:08.49 | PaulFertser | In fact it's not dangerous. |
| 07:08.59 | PaulFertser | Everything is written on the wiki... |
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| 09:19.37 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 09:58.11 | Psi_ | is there an irssi package in the angstrom feed anywhere? |
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| 10:02.50 | Psi_ | nevermind, found it |
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| 10:06.38 | badcloud | anyone here tried adding a bin file to navit and successfully loading navit? |
| 10:06.52 | badcloud | I get 'sh: gdb: not found' |
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| 10:09.54 | badcloud | never mind, for future users, specify the entire path to the bin file, not the directory |
| 10:11.03 | badcloud | now it loads, but the bin file I made from http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ doesn't show anything |
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| 10:31.27 | azaghal_ | badcloud: Did you disable the built-in silly map that came with it? |
| 10:31.39 | badcloud | yup |
| 10:31.44 | azaghal_ | Hm... |
| 10:31.57 | azaghal_ | Did it manage to get a GPS lock? |
| 10:32.02 | badcloud | it just comes out blank |
| 10:32.13 | badcloud | I did in tangogps |
| 10:32.20 | azaghal_ | Yes, but did navit pick it up? |
| 10:32.27 | badcloud | not sure what it does in navit when it finds a lock |
| 10:32.31 | azaghal_ | It should show the coords in the bottom of window. |
| 10:32.43 | azaghal_ | At least do you have the buttons in the top of window? |
| 10:32.49 | azaghal_ | Or it looks like unresponsive app? |
| 10:33.37 | azaghal_ | Basically, navit has some default location it shows on startup. If you downloaded bin file that's not containing it, it will show blank screen (until it gets a gps lock and repositions the view). |
| 10:33.41 | badcloud | not unresponsive |
| 10:33.51 | badcloud | zoomed out and got something |
| 10:33.52 | azaghal_ | Does it show just zeros as coords then? |
| 10:34.16 | badcloud | no |
| 10:34.25 | azaghal_ | So it managed to get gps lock then. |
| 10:34.31 | badcloud | looks like streets, but it's difficult to see much |
| 10:34.37 | azaghal_ | Hm... |
| 10:34.55 | azaghal_ | I didn't have such problems, to be honest :) |
| 10:35.05 | azaghal_ | Could you post ~/.navit/navit.xml on some pastebin? |
| 10:35.29 | badcloud | sure |
| 10:35.40 | azaghal_ | Btw, which distro? |
| 10:35.52 | badcloud | shr testing |
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| 10:36.28 | azaghal_ | I'm using Debian here. Still, it should work :) |
| 10:36.56 | badcloud | well, considering there weren't any coords displayed |
| 10:37.00 | badcloud | maybe it didn't lock |
| 10:37.40 | badcloud | by the way, are you using pidgin under debian? |
| 10:37.45 | azaghal_ | Nah |
| 10:37.50 | azaghal_ | I actually haven't played much with it. |
| 10:38.01 | azaghal_ | I'm actually using hackable:1 |
| 10:38.48 | badcloud | didn't you just say you're using navit under debian? |
| 10:39.59 | azaghal_ | Yes, but hackable:1 is basically debian with an extra repo. |
| 10:40.05 | azaghal_ | Sorry for missunderstanding :) |
| 10:40.25 | badcloud | ah |
| 10:40.32 | badcloud | nice |
| 10:40.53 | badcloud | how's it running? |
| 10:42.13 | azaghal_ | Well, somewhat good. |
| 10:42.26 | azaghal_ | To be honest, I still haven't found something that pleases me completely :) |
| 10:43.34 | badcloud | have you tried standard debian? |
| 10:44.31 | azaghal_ | Yes, but it was some time ago. |
| 10:44.59 | azaghal_ | What I've been hunting so far was good phone-functionality :) |
| 10:46.23 | badcloud | tricky business |
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| 10:50.13 | azaghal_ | Next thing to try would be paroli for me. |
| 10:51.55 | badcloud | can't remember if I did that |
| 10:52.14 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: is there a program/device/activity/whatever that you're _completely_ happy with? |
| 10:52.21 | badcloud | back in my mass-flashing days I rarely kept track of anything |
| 10:52.27 | azaghal_ | PaulFertser: Yes! I have the source :) |
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| 10:53.00 | azaghal_ | PaulFertser: I know I sound a bit bitchy, but I'm not against the community efforts at all :) |
| 10:53.01 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: having source is nice but it doesn't always lead to ultimate solution. |
| 10:53.13 | azaghal_ | Could be, but it's better than not having the source? |
| 10:53.49 | PaulFertser | azaghal_: no, i'm asking a general quazi-philosophy question: do you know of anything that has no drawbacks in your opinion? |
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| 10:54.22 | azaghal | PaulFertser: The answer would be no - because saying 'yes' would mean perfection is possible. |
| 10:54.53 | PaulFertser | azaghal: well, you may say smth like "i'm very happy with vim, it has everything i need and does everything as i want it to", i don't think it's impossible. |
| 10:55.27 | azaghal | Yes, I have those. |
| 10:55.31 | PaulFertser | Share |
| 10:55.33 | azaghal | emacs, openbox, claws-mail etc |
| 10:55.41 | azaghal | VirtualBox |
| 10:55.59 | azaghal | There's actually a lot of apps I like that do what I need them to do. |
| 10:56.12 | PaulFertser | I'm not happy with emacs as it's not multi-threaded, emacs-w3m is not fast enough, emacs in general has some annoying bugs... |
| 10:56.42 | azaghal | Btw, is this just chit-chat, or you're annoyed that I whine a bit here? |
| 10:57.10 | PaulFertser | Keyboard handling is ad-hoc and i needed to provide special translation tables to use russian layout (as my main layout is dvorak, not qwerty). |
| 10:57.22 | PaulFertser | azaghal: (annoyed) not a bit. |
| 10:57.36 | azaghal | Ok, I appologise for annoying people here. |
| 10:57.41 | azaghal | It was actually never my intention. |
| 10:57.44 | PaulFertser | azaghal: just i was surprised you're hoping to get anything that would "pleases me completely". |
| 10:58.08 | azaghal | Heheh, you'd be surprised what could please me in this case :) |
| 10:58.49 | badcloud | I'm still looking for a pim that supports yahoo calendar |
| 10:59.09 | azaghal | I'd actually like to find some time to dig into hacking some things together for the phone, for start elementary stuff. |
| 10:59.17 | PaulFertser | badcloud: are you sure that outsourcing your calendar like that is the right thing to do? |
| 10:59.33 | badcloud | in terms of privacy? |
| 10:59.35 | azaghal | badcloud: Back to the topic - does navit work now? |
| 11:00.15 | PaulFertser | badcloud: not only that, but also convenience. They have API, but can you change it? Can you have any influence on it? Can you extend it? Was it designed with real hackers in mind? Etc... |
| 11:00.19 | badcloud | not really, even after configuring default coord in the navit.xml file |
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| 11:01.12 | badcloud | I just get a blank screen, and then zooming out 4-5 times gives me something vaguely resembling a map |
| 11:01.29 | SpeedEvil | badcloud: where are you |
| 11:01.35 | badcloud | norway |
| 11:01.42 | badcloud | I see what you mean, Paul |
| 11:02.09 | badcloud | that in one way is why I prefer google services to yahoo, even though I have a wary eye about their intentions |
| 11:02.19 | PaulFertser | badcloud: don't forget that web-companies design everything with stupid browser-is-ultimate-thin-client paradigm in mind and don't care much about correctness/extensibility of the API. |
| 11:02.33 | badcloud | true |
| 11:02.50 | badcloud | a very closed box |
| 11:02.51 | azaghal | What was that project that makes something like Google Docs? But under GPL/AGPL license? |
| 11:03.01 | azaghal | I think they had some kind of calendar thing as well. |
| 11:03.12 | PaulFertser | badcloud: so, i'd say the same about google. Do you know how long did it take to fix an obvious bug in their IMAP implementation? A year! An obvious and easily reproducible standard violation. They just don't care about it. |
| 11:03.42 | badcloud | I agree |
| 11:03.53 | PaulFertser | Nah, IMHO web-apps is the wrong thing to do, that's defective by design, no matter how they're licensed. |
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| 11:04.20 | badcloud | but google providing the services such as pop3 access, etc |
| 11:04.33 | badcloud | while not maintaining it properly |
| 11:04.40 | badcloud | is better than not providing at all |
| 11:04.44 | badcloud | in yahoo's case |
| 11:04.45 | PaulFertser | Heh, first they make incredible mess by abusing browsers, then they try to get some decent JS performance to workaround conceptual problems. |
| 11:05.39 | badcloud | I've been waiting for months for yahoo to put up their new version of mobile calendar |
| 11:05.40 | azaghal | JavaScript is getting overused nowadays. |
| 11:05.49 | PaulFertser | Modern internet sucks because of those fuckers |
| 11:05.50 | azaghal | And nobody's trying to make fallback options to plain html. |
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| 11:06.19 | badcloud | I think that's because computer companies need excuses to sell machines too fast for the average user |
| 11:06.37 | badcloud | otherwise, why make the same site heavier and heavier |
| 11:06.45 | azaghal | Actually, it's because the quality of coders has become worse, I thik :) |
| 11:06.46 | SpeedEvil | passes out the pitchforks and flaming torches. |
| 11:06.46 | azaghal | *think |
| 11:06.49 | SpeedEvil | Let's get them! |
| 11:06.57 | badcloud | haha |
| 11:08.03 | PaulFertser | In fact, there's plenty of things in common use that suck. WIMP paradigm, for once. But how many even honorable devs use it? A lot! |
| 11:08.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah. Takes a lot of energy to start out in a completely solitary direction. |
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| 11:17.32 | PaulFertser | One of the most recognised (by general public) free software project is OO.org, well that's the same WYSIWYG crap as MSO conceptually. Or take Ubuntu: i'd say let them shove their stupid "fail-safe" X-server and other useless "improvements" along with their ubuntuforums up their asses. |
| 11:18.14 | PaulFertser | azaghal: Hahah, it seems it's me who intents to annoy people here :) |
| 11:18.24 | SpeedEvil | hugs his slaackware. |
| 11:18.49 | azaghal | PaulFertser: Hey, I'm not too fond of automagical either ;) |
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| 11:26.44 | badcloud | hugs his soon to be fully usable debian phone |
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| 11:40.20 | messerting | anyone knows the status of the planned/suggested mythtv-frontend/advanced control for openmoko? |
| 11:41.21 | messerting | I'd like to use my freerunner as a streamplayer (ie. play music over wlan from my local mediaserver) |
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| 11:47.01 | messerting | I can't boot my freerunner when it is attached to USB. Anyone else had that problem? |
| 11:47.29 | messerting | When I attached it (powered off), my laptop reports "hub 6-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2" |
| 11:47.56 | messerting | when I powerup the freerunner, I get: |
| 11:48.02 | messerting | cdc_acm 6-2:1.0: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. |
| 11:48.03 | messerting | cdc_acm 6-2:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 11:48.29 | PaulFertser | messerting: that shows that you started u-boot |
| 11:48.30 | messerting | but the freerunner doesn't boot, all I see is "openmoko" in the display |
| 11:48.40 | PaulFertser | messerting: is it the latest u-boot you're using? |
| 11:48.54 | messerting | I have "usb 6-2: Product: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12" |
| 11:49.24 | messerting | Do I need a newer version? or Qi? |
| 11:49.42 | PaulFertser | messerting: well, if you never flashed bootloader, you should do it anyway. Just to make sure what version (and where it comes from) do you use. |
| 11:49.55 | PaulFertser | messerting: i use Qi, but recent u-boot should work too. |
| 11:50.27 | messerting | don't remember when I flash (if I did at all), but I have uboot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 |
| 11:50.40 | PaulFertser | messerting: date unknown? |
| 11:51.16 | messerting | yep - my freerunner has been collecting dust for some time now... :) |
| 11:51.28 | messerting | well - I'll try to upgrade to Qi anyway |
| 11:51.40 | der-lehmann | hey, is it a problem that D43 |
| 11:51.51 | alphaone | der-lehmann: Hi |
| 11:51.52 | der-lehmann | 01 are missing? |
| 11:52.03 | PaulFertser | messerting: in case you go Qi route, read the wiki page carefully to understand it. |
| 11:52.13 | alphaone | der-lehmann: Talked to DocScrutinizer and he agrees that it's more or less useless |
| 11:52.16 | messerting | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi <- yes |
| 11:53.00 | alphaone | Since you don't have a high risk of ESD on the mic |
| 11:53.29 | der-lehmann | hi alphaone: okay thanks a lot for killing the buzz! :) |
| 11:53.30 | alphaone | der-lehmann: Do you have any problems with voice quality? |
| 11:53.49 | alphaone | der-lehmann: np. Your phone gave me some headaches, though :-) |
| 11:54.02 | alphaone | I tried to resolder D4301 (from a spare phone) |
| 11:54.14 | alphaone | But it wouldn't work |
| 11:54.26 | alphaone | And I don't have these parts in new |
| 11:54.52 | alphaone | so I have to desolder/resolder which can really be a pain |
| 11:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | D4301 is inner contact of MIC AIUI. There's still D4302 eating ESD to case of mic |
| 11:55.29 | alphaone | ah, heh |
| 11:56.28 | alphaone | right |
| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | if they didn't leave that out in fab due to uselesness because of R4303 = 0R ;-) |
| 11:56.55 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: So D4301 is necessary? |
| 11:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say D4302 is mandatory |
| 11:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | D4301 can't see direct ESD |
| 11:57.51 | alphaone | But the mic isn't exposed... |
| 11:57.59 | alphaone | What are the rules for ESD? |
| 11:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 11:58.03 | der-lehmann | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/a4/Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG on this are D4301 also missing |
| 11:58.12 | alphaone | Better safe than sorry? ;-) |
| 11:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | chances for mic catching ESD are very low |
| 11:58.35 | alphaone | okay |
| 11:58.41 | alphaone | der-lehmann: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openmoko/buzzfix/missing-D4301.JPG |
| 11:59.06 | alphaone | right, fun |
| 11:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | nayway IF it catches ESD surge, D4302 would help (to some extent). D4301 looks rather useless to me |
| 11:59.22 | alphaone | der-lehmann: On your PCB one could see, though, that it was there |
| 11:59.44 | alphaone | On the solder pads |
| 12:01.13 | alphaone | der-lehmann: Please don't hesitate to contact me if you experience some hickups. |
| 12:03.47 | der-lehmann | alphaone: do you think that D4301 getting lost after leaving the factory? |
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| 12:07.07 | alphaone | der-lehmann: not sure |
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| 12:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably it didn't simply fall off the pcb |
| 12:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | tho otoh with *our* fab, even this seems possible ;-D |
| 12:10.04 | alphaone | Hehe |
| 12:11.46 | der-lehmann | was i the only one with this problem? |
| 12:12.31 | alphaone | upto now |
| 12:12.56 | alphaone | Well, D4302 was soldered diagonal as well |
| 12:13.05 | alphaone | So there probably was some sort of bump |
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| 12:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's the result of soldering 0402 with machines not designed for that |
| 12:15.47 | der-lehmann | http://www.der-lehmann.de//openmoko/DSC01884.JPG ;) |
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| 12:17.00 | der-lehmann | i hope that will be much better with the future devices! |
| 12:17.05 | alphaone | der-lehmann: Ich hätte da wohl noch was zu schreiben sollen... |
| 12:17.10 | alphaone | Eh, english |
| 12:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~alphaone/openmoko/buzzfix/missing-D4301.JPG OMG!!! :-O |
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| 12:17.31 | alphaone | But I somehow forgot via the buzzfix party |
| 12:17.38 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: Yeah :-) |
| 12:22.07 | der-lehmann | alphaone: yes that would be nice, but np |
| 12:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: I'm not sure about MIC4301 being reflow or manual soldering |
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| 12:23.47 | alphaone | Ah, so maybe someone blew it away? |
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| 12:26.58 | der-lehmann | are there other pictures of this buzzfix party? |
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| 12:32.02 | der-lehmann | ok bye |
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| 12:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: btw by using input MIC2[wm8753:41] for sole input, via #53-#49-#63, you easly can check for success of buzzfix. Should be NO audio anymore after fix |
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| 12:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | for #53 this should be "mic2" aka MIC1 trace at offsheet-symbol (yeeha, THAT'S A MESS :-) whereas MIC2N[pin42] is "mic3"). See WM8753_Rev3.4.pdf Figure8 |
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| 13:00.46 | m_abs | I have a problem charging my GTA02s battery. I don't think it's the problem with the battery being fully discharged, since I tried to recharge it at 14% (according to the UI in SHR). I've tried both connecting a usb-cable to my computer and using the adapter, nothing. |
| 13:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, then this chan |
| 13:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: what's happening exactly |
| 13:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 13:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: 1): why do you think it doesn't charge |
| 13:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 13:03.12 | m_abs | The battery keep loosing its charge. I turned of the phone then it got to 2%. |
| 13:03.26 | m_abs | With the usb-cable connected. |
| 13:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: what's settings-power telling about voltage %charge and current? |
| 13:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: can you boot your device without bat inserted? |
| 13:05.45 | m_abs | I can't turn it on right now it suspends the moment the interface loads. But as far as I remember, status was discharging and power usage was around 330 |
| 13:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: even if you remove bat? |
| 13:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes this seems to be a bug in frameworkd |
| 13:07.34 | m_abs | Yes normally. |
| 13:08.20 | m_abs | But not right now. |
| 13:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | you can kill frameworkd with a ssh |
| 13:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | should stop the shutdown issue |
| 13:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: if you're logged in, please read out the bat current and voltage and charge |
| 13:14.31 | m_abs | I must remember it wrong. I can't get it to boot without the battery. |
| 13:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | not at all or does it abort halfway? |
| 13:16.00 | m_abs | But could it be a problem with the hardware? Normally then I plug in the usb-cable and the battery is in, the phone turns on by it self, that doesn't happen right now. |
| 13:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: (readout): cat /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/current_now |
| 13:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | voltage_now |
| 13:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | capacity |
| 13:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: can you boot to NAND/NOR uBoot menu? (with or without bat) |
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| 13:21.52 | m_abs | Without: no. With: yes |
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| 13:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: please boot to uboot menu, attach openmoko wallcharger, then remove bat. Device must NOT go down same moment you remove bat |
| 13:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | don't do this on a GTA01 Neo 1973!!! |
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| 13:27.42 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: why gta01 users can't do that? |
| 13:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: scream-of-death |
| 13:29.14 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: hmm? i don't have gta01 ;) |
| 13:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: this warning wasn't addressed to you exclusively |
| 13:30.25 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i know, i just want to know ;D |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: what's result of test suggested above? |
| 13:31.23 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, it seems I wasted your time. Both my wallcharger and the usb-cable must be broken. I just tried another cable with success. The phone is charging with this cable. |
| 13:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:32.17 | m_abs | Thought I had tested it good enough by trying both the usb-cable and the wallcharger... |
| 13:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: np. I'm glad you don't suffer from a real hw-breakage :-)) |
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| 13:40.44 | badcloud | anyone know how to install debian packages to a filesystem containing debian, but from within shr? |
| 13:41.06 | badcloud | (so I wouldn't have to boot debian from uSD each time I want to install a package) |
| 13:41.28 | badcloud | right now debian isn't working the way I want it to |
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| 13:43.25 | dos1 | badcloud: chroot |
| 13:45.37 | badcloud | I'm at the man page |
| 13:45.41 | badcloud | trickyicky |
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| 13:50.36 | badcloud | you wouldn't happen to know the full syntax, would you? |
| 13:50.54 | badcloud | seems like I need to set up a whole environment |
| 13:51.13 | dos1 | chroot /directory/with/mounted/debian |
| 13:51.20 | dos1 | and nothing more |
| 13:51.25 | badcloud | really? |
| 13:51.26 | badcloud | wow |
| 13:51.30 | dos1 | maybe mount --bind /dev /debian/dir/dev |
| 13:51.33 | dos1 | and the same with proc, sys |
| 13:51.47 | dos1 | and then chroot |
| 13:51.52 | badcloud | WICKED |
| 13:51.57 | dos1 | and then apt-get/aptitude/dpkg/everything else |
| 13:52.30 | badcloud | and then to apt out of the chroot? |
| 13:52.32 | badcloud | logout? |
| 13:52.34 | badcloud | exit |
| 13:52.35 | badcloud | ? |
| 13:52.38 | dos1 | exit |
| 13:53.03 | badcloud | wickED |
| 13:55.12 | m_abs | badcloud, chroot /path/to/debian |
| 13:55.35 | badcloud | WOW |
| 13:56.06 | badcloud | I never cease to be amazed with the flexibility, versatility and simplicity of linux |
| 13:56.20 | badcloud | I'm sure there are lots more *ities |
| 13:57.02 | badcloud | except for titties |
| 13:57.20 | badcloud | sorry, had to :P |
| 13:57.24 | czaks | why not? ;p |
| 13:57.30 | czaks | hi btw. |
| 13:57.44 | badcloud | ha |
| 13:57.51 | czaks | do you happen to know something about accelerometers? |
| 13:57.58 | badcloud | me, not really |
| 13:57.59 | badcloud | sorry |
| 13:58.08 | czaks | when I put the mobile phone on the flour |
| 13:58.16 | czaks | it says something about 940 |
| 13:58.28 | czaks | when I turn it upside down |
| 13:58.34 | czaks | it says something about 1100 |
| 13:58.42 | czaks | -1100 to be exact |
| 13:59.00 | czaks | do I need to callibrate them someway? |
| 14:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | czaks: as I don't know the kernel module for gmeter, all I can recommend is "read the chip datasheet" |
| 14:00.48 | czaks | thanks :p |
| 14:01.02 | dos1 | RTFChipDatasheet ;) |
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| 14:09.27 | m_abs | I just tried to install NavIt, but it doesn't appear in the menu. I'm running SHR testing. How do I get navit into the menu? |
| 14:09.48 | czaks | m_abs, modify /usr/share/applications/navit.desktop |
| 14:09.56 | czaks | and add Application as category |
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| 14:14.15 | m_abs | czaks, thanks. Unfortunately it just crashes. |
| 14:14.45 | czaks | m_abs, read wiki for instructions how to fix it |
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| 14:19.53 | khiraly1 | re |
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| 14:24.38 | badcloud | re? |
| 14:24.46 | badcloud | dos1, you still there? |
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| 14:26.58 | badcloud | even after doing 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev', I still get 'Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)' after 'apt-get install <package>' |
| 14:28.34 | badcloud | (after chroot /debian/dir) |
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| 14:57.35 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * raba44ae3bebc 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:57.35 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Device.LED / org.freesmartphone.Network: fix fso:throws type to raise an error category, not a specific error |
| 14:57.35 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This is tentative and not final and may change at any time |
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| 15:38.10 | slaxxer | yo mommas |
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| 16:03.19 | Blackhex | hello, plese how to get fso-gpsd working on 2009.0 Release 3? |
| 16:03.41 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: how it doesn't? |
| 16:04.08 | Blackhex | I tried tangogps, openmoko-agps but none works |
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| 16:04.31 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: more debugging info needed... |
| 16:04.47 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: and that is? |
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| 16:06.28 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: are you sure fso-gpsd running? Have you tried to use any "native" app like zhone gps pane or other? |
| 16:06.28 | Blackhex | "connection to gpsd SUCCEEDED" |
| 16:06.28 | Blackhex | in tangogps log |
| 16:06.28 | Blackhex | I have paroli image so no zhone |
| 16:06.29 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: have you tried to look at frameworkd log? |
| 16:06.44 | PaulFertser | You can download zhone |
| 16:06.48 | Blackhex | but there is no info about satellites comming |
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| 16:09.06 | Blackhex | this is tail /var/log/frameworkd.log http://rafb.net/p/1h2Afn83.html |
| 16:09.08 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: check frameworkd log. Is GPS resource gets enabled at all after you connect to fso-gpsd? |
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| 16:10.47 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: well, your frameworkd log looks ok... |
| 16:11.03 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: you just don't have a fix yet. |
| 16:11.46 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: It seems, but even when I was outside there was no bars on agpsui |
| 16:12.13 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: agpsui? Are you sure it properly uses fso-gpsd, not direct access to the serial port? |
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| 16:12.31 | Blackhex | and in tangogps on the bottom line there is 0/0/0.0 everytime |
| 16:12.33 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: i'm sure it doesn't use gpsd. |
| 16:12.42 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: probably because you don't have a fix. |
| 16:13.02 | Blackhex | I used agpsui on 2009 Release 2 without problems |
| 16:13.30 | Blackhex | and botom line of tangogps showded everytime i. e. 10/0.0.0 before fix |
| 16:13.38 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: does it access serial port directly? Does it power the gps chip itself? |
| 16:14.25 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: I don't know how to check that, but I notice that there is missing /etc |
| 16:14.36 | Blackhex | /default/gpsd file form Release 2 |
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| 16:15.00 | Blackhex | so I tried to created it but without luck |
| 16:15.08 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: i don't think it's needed, at least i never had it and fso-gpsd worked for me. |
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| 16:16.50 | Blackhex | I had no problems to get fix inside after some time but now there is even no signal from single satellite |
| 16:19.25 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: afaict agpsui doesn't prove anything but you constantly bring it back into consideration. |
| 16:20.09 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: I think that first number in tangogps bottom line is number of sattelites seen |
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| 16:21.26 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: i'd do like that: start tangogps, then read frameworkd logs. If it has ubx packets coming, ok, i'd go outside to ensure good reception and wait still looking at frameworkd log. After i saw the fix in the log i'd look at tangogps and then if it didn't work complain. |
| 16:21.54 | Blackhex | I now installed zhone but it's fighting with paroli, how do I disable paroli to start, please? |
| 16:22.12 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: fighting? |
| 16:22.18 | Blackhex | on dbus |
| 16:22.22 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: you want to disable the auto-start? |
| 16:22.26 | Blackhex | yes |
| 16:22.32 | PaulFertser | Why can't paroli and zhone co-exist? |
| 16:22.39 | mirko-paroli | good question ;) |
| 16:22.48 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: in your home-folder |
| 16:22.52 | PaulFertser | frameworkd was designed with many consumers in mind. |
| 16:22.56 | mirko-paroli | is a .e folder |
| 16:23.12 | mirko-paroli | and somewhere in there is a startup folder which contains a hidden file |
| 16:23.15 | mirko-paroli | remove that file |
| 16:23.18 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: Hey, do you have "paroli" hilighted in your irc client? ;) |
| 16:23.21 | mirko-paroli | and paroli won't autolaunch |
| 16:23.27 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: hi! |
| 16:23.30 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: nope |
| 16:23.41 | mirko-paroli | but I see every message on irc in a passive window |
| 16:24.00 | mirko-paroli | so I have learned to read quickly ;) |
| 16:24.02 | mirko-paroli | hi khiraly11 |
| 16:24.38 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I have sended two emails do you. Did you get it? |
| 16:24.41 | Blackhex | .e/e/applications/startup/ |
| 16:24.42 | Blackhex | ? |
| 16:24.46 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: let me check |
| 16:24.52 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: I believe so |
| 16:25.04 | Blackhex | mirko-paroli: this one is empty |
| 16:25.08 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: yepp found them |
| 16:25.16 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: no .XXX file? |
| 16:25.41 | Blackhex | ls -al .e/e/applications/startup/ -> nothing |
| 16:25.55 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: k one sec |
| 16:27.10 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: /usr/share/enlightenment/data/applications/startup/.order |
| 16:28.07 | Blackhex | mirko-paroli: thx |
| 16:28.14 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: np |
| 16:28.42 | Blackhex | now I try to reboot and see what happens... |
| 16:29.13 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: let me know if the email was helpful, or how can I help it further debug. (saving eg: frameworkd.log with paroli.log?) |
| 16:29.41 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: I'll try to find the issues and send you an answer :) |
| 16:30.05 | mirko-paroli | with log is always better and also how I can reproduce the "bug" |
| 16:30.14 | mirko-paroli | and maybe even put it in the paroli trac |
| 16:30.29 | mirko-paroli | others can then also see it and test it etc |
| 16:31.09 | khiraly11 | most of them are pretty random |
| 16:31.17 | mirko-paroli | and also which image and which kernel you run, with dates etc |
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| 16:32.15 | khiraly11 | ok, reply to me (by confirming which bugreport makes sense) and I'll put in the trac |
| 16:32.18 | mirko-paroli | I do appreaciate and use every input i get |
| 16:32.48 | khiraly11 | individually |
| 16:32.48 | slaxxer | is the latest om-paroli image just paroli ,,or can i access fso in there? |
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| 16:33.03 | mirko-paroli | slaxxer: paroli uses the frameworkd |
| 16:33.04 | khiraly11 | slaxxer: there is fso in there, as paroli use it |
| 16:33.30 | slaxxer | i can only see the paroli part |
| 16:33.41 | mirko-paroli | you are looking for illume? |
| 16:33.50 | mirko-paroli | the desktop with neat little icons ? |
| 16:33.54 | slaxxer | yup |
| 16:33.56 | khiraly11 | slaxxer: are you missing the top bar? (illume) |
| 16:33.56 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 16:34.09 | mirko-paroli | slaxxer: access settings in paroli |
| 16:34.10 | slaxxer | yes im missing the top |
| 16:34.15 | mirko-paroli | go to display |
| 16:34.17 | khiraly11 | slaxxer: hold the aux button for 2 sec, and go to the settings of paroli |
| 16:34.29 | slaxxer | ok |
| 16:34.29 | mirko-paroli | k, I'll just listen from hereon in ;) |
| 16:34.48 | slaxxer | well i seek the truth:) |
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| 16:35.11 | mirko-paroli | slaxxer: khiraly11 is a truth-teller |
| 16:35.19 | slaxxer | yall are here , thats why i asked thanks |
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| 16:35.25 | khiraly11 | hehh, ther eis a race condition |
| 16:35.32 | khiraly11 | ;) |
| 16:35.38 | khiraly11 | between me and mirko |
| 16:35.40 | PaulFertser | Oh no! |
| 16:35.43 | PaulFertser | Races again |
| 16:35.48 | PaulFertser | Get me out of here! |
| 16:36.00 | mirko-paroli | nah, I gladly lean back and look at my code :) |
| 16:36.16 | khiraly11 | but yeah, in display you can find "illume" and "paroli" as profile. If you click on it it will cahnge from illume to paroli |
| 16:36.23 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: strange, obviously it's getting something since it was able to get gps time... |
| 16:36.52 | khiraly11 | and from paroli to illume. So you want illume for the top bar (ie. no fullscreen) |
| 16:37.04 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: btw how did you know there was a prob between zhone and paroli? got a log or sth ? |
| 16:37.08 | khiraly11 | slaxxer: got it? |
| 16:37.09 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: yes, that's why i told you to wait for the fix first. |
| 16:37.19 | slaxxer | yes |
| 16:37.23 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: and then complain about non-working fso-gpsd. |
| 16:37.28 | khiraly11 | if nothing happens reboot the device. Just make sure "illume" is selected |
| 16:37.43 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: but I should get fix long time ago |
| 16:38.00 | slaxxer | im on fso-unstable currently |
| 16:38.09 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: inside? It depends on sattelites in view... |
| 16:38.09 | khiraly11 | slaxxer: me too |
| 16:38.19 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.44 | Blackhex | mirko-paroli: there was some gui messages about connecting to dbus resoruces in paroli, since zhone started a bit sooner |
| 16:38.50 | khiraly11 | doh. Im on fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 16:39.00 | slaxxer | i had zhone an paroli together on 1 image |
| 16:39.13 | slaxxer | paroli is quick |
| 16:39.30 | mirko-paroli | Blackhex: hmm that is odd, as PaulFertser said, that shouldn't happen ... |
| 16:39.35 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: Now I'm inside but I'm using external antenna. I was outside but result was the same. I'll try to go outside once more |
| 16:40.11 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: fyi zhone has a pretty informative window with GPS status |
| 16:40.35 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: but there is missing info about number of sattelites cathcing |
| 16:40.43 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: and don't forget that if you just flashed the filesystem you don't even have an almanac data, so it might take as long as 15 minutes to get a first fix. |
| 16:41.01 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: no, zhone has info about sattelites, on the second pane. |
| 16:41.38 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: ah, maybe that's it, so I'll go outside; whau, I didn't notice that |
| 16:42.15 | Blackhex | because there are arrow icons missing |
| 16:43.04 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: what are those black dots in alm and emph columns? |
| 16:43.51 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I hope the top 1 priority is the reliable phone call/receive. If not I will force you;) |
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| 16:44.16 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: If there's a dot in alm column, it means the cheap knows alamanac for this sattelite, same for ephemeris. iirc. |
| 16:44.18 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: for paroli itself yes |
| 16:44.32 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: I have this school-related project I also need to do |
| 16:44.43 | PaulFertser | s/cheap/chip/ :)) |
| 16:45.24 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: ALM is full of dots, EPH is empty. Couldn't be possible that I have outdated ALM, but it's thinking it's actual? |
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| 16:49.08 | *** topic/#openmoko is Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited forces | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:49.54 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: have you got a fix now? |
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| 16:53.12 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 17:01.54 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * redbe2cecece9 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: handle the case when we have no GSM time zone and are in a multi zone country |
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| 17:27.33 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: is lucky cycling... Probably i should cycle for a bit again until it's too dark outside. |
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| 17:29.39 | Digital_Pioneer | So are we ever going to see Remoko or something like it for Bluez 4? :\ |
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| 17:32.38 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: what's cool in remoko? I've never tried it. (no sarcasm, just interest) |
| 17:33.26 | dos1 | PaulFertser: with remoko neo can act as bluetooth keyboard, touchpad and presentation pilot |
| 17:33.58 | PaulFertser | dos1: ah, cool, nothing i need :) |
| 17:34.45 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I used it as a remote to my set-top box. |
| 17:35.27 | Digital_Pioneer | And it was supposed to function as a wireless mouse eventually, using the accelerometers. |
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| 17:35.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Right now it's just a touchpad, and it deps Bluez3, which is useless to me. |
| 17:36.27 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: cool, but i don't need set-top box :) Too bad remoko author is too conservative, otoh former OM distro maintainers are guilty of keeping bluez3 for too long too. |
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| 17:37.01 | messerting_ | Digital_Pioneer: Does it work with MythTV? |
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| 17:37.51 | Zorkman | i would find it a nice extra if it acted as a remote/bluetooth keyboard/wireless mouse |
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| 17:39.50 | Digital_Pioneer | messerting_: It works with Linux. :) You just need something that will set up a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 17:40.06 | messerting_ | cool, might try that |
| 17:40.31 | Blu3 | heheh, well, now text messages show dec 31, 1969 20:00 for the timestamp instead of jan 1 1970, 00:00 |
| 17:40.39 | messerting_ | looking around for stuff that will make my Neo "useful" and not a dust collector.. |
| 17:40.49 | Blu3 | so the TZ is getting honored, 'tis a step of improvement |
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| 18:17.17 | Blu3 | ruh roh, text message composition is wrapping at around 8 letters |
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| 18:29.38 | thrashold | Using qemu images on a FUSE filesystem might have been a bad idea. File access on my arm VM is terribly slow. :D |
| 18:30.04 | thrashold | I almost compiled E, though :) |
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| 18:39.03 | Digital_Pioneer | rasterman _made_ enlightenment? Wow, I had no idea.... :P |
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| 18:40.04 | Laibsch | when was the decision made to put further phone models on hold? |
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| 18:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Laibsch: when the money ran out |
| 18:46.15 | Laibsch | which was when? |
| 18:46.43 | Laibsch | were sales disappointing? |
| 18:49.04 | SpeedEvil | Laibsch: well - software didnpt proceed as well as some might have hoped. |
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| 18:49.37 | SpeedEvil | This lead to sales being lower than they might be. |
| 18:50.46 | Laibsch | Again, around what time was this decision made? Or was there no official announcement? |
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| 18:55.00 | SpeedEvil | there wasn't an official announcement, the news basically leaked |
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| 18:56.40 | Blu3 | i can't really say i'm surprised, we're sort of lacking in the feature/function department both in hardware and software |
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| 19:00.40 | Weiss | so, turns out that designing hardware and software for a mobile phone is actually quite difficult.. :) |
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| 19:02.57 | Blu3 | well. we're on 3G going to 4G service for cellphones, the gta02 is gprs. there's no camera and most commodity cells have cameras these days |
| 19:03.35 | Blu3 | for software, we have a functional dialer, contacts, and text message app, but they're limited and not too pretty |
| 19:04.03 | Blu3 | the phone works for basic things but only appeals to geeks that get into the guts of things |
| 19:04.30 | Blu3 | so demand is going to be very low |
| 19:04.36 | Wonka | but now we have hardware we can _work_ and _test_ on |
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| 19:05.26 | Blu3 | yes. but the point i am making is that development has moved too slow for this to be a sustainable product |
| 19:05.28 | lindi- | we have the buggy gsm chip and graphics chip :( |
| 19:06.02 | lindi- | but other than that the hardware seems quite ok to me |
| 19:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: buggy gsm-chip? |
| 19:06.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: crashes on heavy gprs traffic for example |
| 19:06.46 | Blu3 | slow development means we don't make it appeal to non-geeks, and the company doesn't get enough buyers to continue business |
| 19:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | seems to be a sw-issue |
| 19:06.58 | Blu3 | lindi, hmm |
| 19:07.05 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ok ok, "chip" was wrong here :) |
| 19:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 19:07.13 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: we have buggy proprietary OS |
| 19:07.19 | Blu3 | i do a lot over gprs but it only crashes when i run pidgin |
| 19:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | YES |
| 19:07.32 | usr | i don't like the touchescreen |
| 19:07.38 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: which part of sw is resp for failing on gprs traffic? |
| 19:07.53 | lindi- | mirko-paroli: the one inside calypso |
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| 19:08.01 | mirko-paroli | lindi-: ah |
| 19:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | either muxxer, or moko11 |
| 19:08.03 | Blu3 | mirko, not sure the real perpetrator, but it causes a kernel oops |
| 19:08.26 | lindi- | Blu3: ah, that's different bug then. have you reported it? |
| 19:08.47 | Blu3 | no, because the information i have is too vague to be useful atm. |
| 19:08.56 | lindi- | Blu3: oops message would be useful |
| 19:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: or, as usual, a combination of both not playing nicely ;-) |
| 19:09.02 | Blu3 | which i don't yet have |
| 19:09.08 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: hehe |
| 19:09.27 | dos1 | ANNOUNCEMENT: do you have nice splash screen concept? Do you have nice gimp skills? Do you just want to try? Send 480x640 PNG file to shr-user maillist! We are waiting for your splash! :) |
| 19:09.36 | Blu3 | i have to balance fixing bugs with using it :) |
| 19:10.54 | lindi- | dos1: who needs a splash screen? ;) |
| 19:11.17 | dos1 | lindi-: people using Qi and loglevel=0 ;) |
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| 19:32.03 | bernt | dos1: if this situation comes, I would boot my fr only if the battery drains to zero ;-) |
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| 19:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: dos1: isn't there always a short splashscreen at least for the time uboot is loading the kernel? of course for Qi this seems useless as afaik Qi isn't even powering up display |
| 19:34.49 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about shr-splash, which is displayed 2-3 seconds after powering up display by kernel |
| 19:35.09 | slaxxer | how much trouble is it to replace the buggy hardware an proceed to the next hw revision? |
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| 19:35.29 | slaxxer | seems t o be next |
| 19:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | well here the uboot-splashscreen pov ;Ãl |
| 19:35.47 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i'm using Qi ;) |
| 19:36.11 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: not if you don't issue that u-boot command? |
| 19:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: huh? |
| 19:36.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x32000000 0x8800000 0x96000 |
| 19:37.06 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: I think that's the u-boot command to read splash image from flash and decompress it to the framebuffer? |
| 19:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you can disable this by tweaking eNV |
| 19:37.32 | lindi- | eNV? |
| 19:37.35 | lindi- | ah, env |
| 19:40.56 | usr | would one like to write an ide in here? |
| 19:41.09 | lindi- | usr: ? |
| 19:41.33 | usr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.20 | usr | written in python using pygtk for gui, to create gui's or apps |
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| 20:08.14 | sypher71 | are the modules .tgz files for shr meant to be extracted to the base system after install? |
| 20:08.38 | sypher71 | i mean i see that they are kernel modules... i'm just not sure what they are for if i should get them :-P |
| 20:12.37 | bernt | sypher71: I think, some are for devices you could connect via usb |
| 20:13.22 | sypher71 | bernt: i can get them on my freerunner fine... i'm just not sure if i'm meant to extract that file or not (as the phone seems to run fine without them) |
| 20:14.33 | bernt | sypher71: yes, the things which are ncessary for the phone, are compiled into the kernel, the rest are modules. |
| 20:15.16 | sypher71 | bernt: ok... so they are optional modules for additional support, etc. got it. thanks |
| 20:16.23 | bernt | sypher71: for example, I have connected an usb ethernet adapter: the driver for this adapter is in a modul. |
| 20:16.37 | sypher71 | bernt: ah i see |
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| 20:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes but there's a set of modules in image and in .jffs as well. It seems not entirely clear which modules are preinstalled ans which are introduced to system by the modules.tgz |
| 20:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | maybe some of the distro maintaines could shed some light on this |
| 20:20.24 | sypher7 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's what prompted my asking... i couldn't find a description of the file anywhere |
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| 20:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | Ainulindale: any comments on SHR wrt this? |
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| 20:25.10 | Blu3 | anyone have a better BtHeadset.py? the one on the openmoko wiki makes dbus calls for invalid objects/methods |
| 20:26.29 | Weiss | you shouldn't need to untar any modules if you're using the uImage that you downloaded at the same time as the rootfs |
| 20:27.01 | Weiss | if you change the uImage, you'll need to untar the matching modules before flashing the kernel, otherwise the modules won't work |
| 20:27.30 | sypher7 | Weiss: oh okay. thanks for the explanation |
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| 20:28.04 | Weiss | (how bad "the modules won't work" is depends on how the kernel was configured, which varies from distro to distro) |
| 20:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | a word on *nosummary files would be fine as well |
| 20:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | and I have to admit I didn't find any of these topics anywhere in wiki or in a readme file next to the dl-folder |
| 20:34.30 | Weiss | aiui nosummary is just the same image without a JFFS2 summary block in the filesystem. slightly smaller image, but will boot much more slowly. no reason to use it.. |
| 20:35.28 | Weiss | and then there's a load of short filename things which are just symlinks to the full filenames |
| 20:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | Weiss: seems to be a good idea to place all this on the flashing-your-neo or/and distros wikipage |
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| 20:49.05 | em_ | hi all |
| 20:49.36 | badcloud | hey there, em_ |
| 20:50.01 | em_ | I am a master student, and I am looking for "real netlists/PCB designs to compare to a model I made |
| 20:50.11 | em_ | for my thesis |
| 20:50.45 | em_ | I looked at the archives I can download for the openmoko project (which has some _real_ designes ) |
| 20:51.01 | em_ | what I am looking for is some routing statistics |
| 20:51.22 | em_ | number of nets, number of routes, fanout repartition... |
| 20:52.05 | em_ | I found PDF files with schematics... not really easy to extract informations from hem ! |
| 20:53.13 | em_ | does anyone know where I can get such informations from openmoko designs ? |
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| 20:54.00 | Serdar | hi |
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| 20:54.47 | Serdar | how much does this FSOSHRUDCON'09 costs? |
| 20:55.14 | Serdar | I don't need a room, I live not far away from Essen. |
| 20:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | em_: OM policy isn't including to publish gerber. netlists were no problem if we had any |
| 20:58.30 | em_ | ? I understand the beginning of your sentence, not the end : netlists were no problem if we had any ??? |
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| 20:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | Serdar: sorry afaik it's "sold out" |
| 20:59.17 | Serdar | oh |
| 20:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | em_: the tool we use to do schem and layout seems to have no simple way to generate netlists |
| 20:59.59 | em_ | But the netlist comes from schematics !! |
| 21:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 21:00.10 | Serdar | there are only 20 seats? |
| 21:00.21 | Serdar | that sucks :/ |
| 21:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | actually 22 iirc |
| 21:00.34 | em_ | there are no way to export some protel or such files, and extract only some infrmation ? I mean some specifics statistics ? |
| 21:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | maybe there are ways, but for sure there is no manpower to do such a job |
| 21:02.01 | em_ | ok.. And OM does not want to share any design ? |
| 21:02.29 | em_ | even with some NDA : all I would like to do or my researches ais matching my model to at least one real design |
| 21:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | em_: if you could create a detailed instruction, even batch file, to do this with mentor-pads logic projects, I could probably create netlists for you |
| 21:02.57 | em_ | it's barelly impossible to find one publicly aailable (except some very ,very small university designes :-( ) |
| 21:03.05 | em_ | ok |
| 21:03.12 | em_ | I have access to pads |
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| 21:03.17 | em_ | here in my university |
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| 21:03.57 | em_ | I will have a look at pads and try to get something |
| 21:04.02 | em_ | it would be sooo great |
| 21:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | so write a keypress level detailed instruction and send to me, so you'll probably get the netlists |
| 21:04.21 | em_ | keypress ? |
| 21:04.29 | SpeedEvil | what keys to press |
| 21:04.33 | em_ | ok ! |
| 21:04.35 | em_ | sorry |
| 21:05.00 | em_ | probably in a few... weeks :-( Maybe a few days, but I personnalynever used pads ! |
| 21:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | em_: I need to check back with wolfgang, but I think it can be done |
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| 21:05.43 | em_ | all I need is some statistics... not the design |
| 21:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:06.18 | em_ | perfect |
| 21:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | even complete netlists are no more data/info than pdf schem |
| 21:06.22 | em_ | thanks a lot |
| 21:06.32 | em_ | yes, but automatic extraction is possible |
| 21:07.00 | em_ | couning manually each net, looking for their fanout, ... that's a strange sens of having fun ! |
| 21:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think OM cares as long as I won't |
| 21:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | so no problem to publish netlists |
| 21:07.32 | em_ | hmmm |
| 21:07.51 | em_ | ok : so for you only a keypress doc to extract netlist is OK É? |
| 21:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 21:08.13 | em_ | I was thinking of sending you a full batch to extract only stats I want |
| 21:08.17 | em_ | ahh that's easier |
| 21:08.55 | em_ | as I can then extract stats. by myself |
| 21:09.05 | em_ | ok |
| 21:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | em_: provision all I need to generate a clean netlist, that's all I need |
| 21:09.16 | em_ | thanks _a lot_ |
| 21:09.23 | em_ | yup ! Understood |
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| 21:23.49 | usr | i've an idea how this ide could work... as i'm not that into hacking i would write it in simple modules. one could just create the code for a button and echo all this into a file named after the button. afterwards you read the file echo it and among different rules (which do the framework) into the final-script... is this a good idea? |
| 21:25.35 | messerting | Hi folks - how can I make my phone visible over bluetooth? In SHR-testing, the switch always swaps back to off... |
| 21:25.56 | messerting | Is there anything I can try over ssh? |
| 21:27.51 | lindi- | messerting: lsubs? |
| 21:27.54 | lindi- | messerting: lsusb? |
| 21:28.20 | messerting | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 |
| 21:28.42 | messerting | I have it connect to the power adaptor |
| 21:29.36 | lindi- | messerting: bluetooth is connected via usb |
| 21:30.02 | messerting | aha. Hm - so SHR doesn't see the bluetooth adapter? |
| 21:30.02 | lindi- | messerting: you should see 'Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)' |
| 21:30.10 | lindi- | messerting: i don't know about shr |
| 21:30.17 | messerting | ok, thanks - will check the shr wiki |
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| 21:31.26 | kakaprout | hi |
| 21:32.11 | messerting | lindi-: hehe, a simple /etc/init.d/bluetooth start seems to help :) |
| 21:33.27 | messerting | at least, now I've got "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)" |
| 21:33.48 | kakaprout | i tried a testing image of Om2009, the gui is very simple, with white text on black screen, and i found it very nice, is it a redesign or just a testing gui ? |
| 21:34.40 | PaulFertser | kakaprout: redesign of what? |
| 21:34.50 | usr | kakaprout: it's paroli |
| 21:35.03 | messerting | yep, there it is "om-gta02-0", thanks lindi- |
| 21:35.05 | kakaprout | PaulFertser: redesign of the gui |
| 21:35.16 | kakaprout | usr: thanks |
| 21:35.35 | PaulFertser | kakaprout: no, paroli looks like that from the beginning... |
| 21:36.00 | kakaprout | PaulFertser: i never tried before, and it was a very good surprise |
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| 21:36.25 | PaulFertser | kakaprout: then git clone the sources and help mirko to fix bugs ;) |
| 21:36.51 | kakaprout | PaulFertser: i'd like to, though i'm quite coding impaired |
| 21:37.08 | usr | later on it shell be used to provide some featerphone like functionality, but it's not a replacement |
| 21:37.37 | usr | it's a fork of tichy... |
| 21:38.27 | kakaprout | never heard of tichy |
| 21:39.00 | usr | tichy was most of used in fso |
| 21:40.09 | kakaprout | i tried some distribs but not so much in fact |
| 21:41.15 | usr | there is a web side http://www.paroli-project.org/ and a youtube-video about tichy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysS7OuuY0Z4&feature=PlayList&p=68EE787286A24275&index=3 |
| 21:41.23 | kakaprout | thanks again |
| 21:42.34 | kakaprout | the motorola f3 had a very simple interface like this, but not much usable, i'd like something like that on the freerunner |
| 21:42.44 | usr | the idea is good, but when i used it on fso it just crashed every time i used it |
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| 21:44.42 | SpeedEvil | kakaprout: it's approaching the 'not usable' at least. |
| 21:44.57 | SpeedEvil | (though seriously, recent stuff is getting better) |
| 21:45.39 | kakaprout | usr: in fact i saw before the tichy video, it's nice, and fun to hear the french accent :) |
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| 21:46.22 | kakaprout | SpeedEvil: i'll be watching the progress |
| 21:49.05 | lindi- | - |
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| 21:50.13 | usr | who does use the freerunner frequently? |
| 21:50.29 | lindi- | usr: does daily use count? ;) |
| 21:50.54 | usr | shure... i wrote an app for torrent |
| 21:51.05 | em_ | no: you need at least o use it every minute (24H of course !!!) ;-) |
| 21:51.07 | usr | it's more an gui for ctorrent |
| 21:51.11 | kakaprout | i'd like to |
| 21:51.34 | lindi- | usr: i'm happy with btdownloadcurses |
| 21:51.59 | usr | wtf is btdownloadcurses? |
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| 21:53.01 | lindi- | usr: written by Henry James, part of the 'bittorrent' package in debian |
| 21:53.40 | lindi- | usr: like 6 years ago |
| 21:54.40 | Laibsch | I flashed my FR with http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 21:54.49 | Laibsch | dfu-util finished without error |
| 21:55.11 | Laibsch | I then shut down the FR and rebooted, but the FR hangs at the openmoko splash |
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| 21:55.17 | usr | lindi: does it provide a gui? |
| 21:56.17 | lindi- | usr: ncurses |
| 21:56.47 | lindi- | usr: there's btdownloadgui too if you want graphics |
| 21:57.26 | usr | lindi: yes ok. |
| 21:58.30 | lindi- | usr: i wouldn't reinvent the wheel without testing the original wheel first :) |
| 21:58.47 | kakaprout | Laibsch: try reflashing |
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| 21:59.20 | usr | lindi: but my app is still nice and provides some killer features like automated import of new torrents and save settings |
| 22:01.48 | usr | lindi: but i still have to fix some things like where to save, not all in the same folder to use sub-folders instead and to make it more reliable |
| 22:02.09 | usr | lindi: i meant even more reliable ^^ |
| 22:02.17 | lindi- | usr: does it support --help command line argument? ;) |
| 22:03.08 | usr | lindi: hmmm, as it is just a gui for ctorrent... you could use ctorrent --help |
| 22:03.25 | lindi- | usr: does it have man page? |
| 22:03.47 | usr | lindi: look up for ctorrent man |
| 22:04.04 | lindi- | usr: all binaries need to have a man page |
| 22:04.42 | usr | lindi: it's a python script |
| 22:04.52 | lindi- | usr: executable anyway |
| 22:05.10 | lindi- | usr: user shouldn't need to care what programming language you used |
| 22:05.52 | usr | lindi: there are some commends in the script itself ^^ |
| 22:06.24 | usr | comments |
| 22:06.39 | lindi- | usr: no manual page => can't be even accepted to distro, sorry :) |
| 22:07.25 | usr | lindi: but i can tell you it kicks ass on x64 quadcore |
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| 22:09.42 | usr | lindi: it's annoying to type in long torrent names |
| 22:11.37 | usr | so it checks either the old torrent is completed ore if there are new one's in the watchfolder |
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| 22:18.53 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc6f066eaf035 10/docs/frameworkd.conf.sample: docs: document current state of frameworkd.conf |
| 22:18.54 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r08db9ea98922 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_powersupply: compute status if we're AC-powered |
| 22:18.55 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra2a8359b0e50 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: interfaces: add org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetType() -> s |
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| 23:06.03 | frankS2 | can anyone recommend me a distro that just works? |
| 23:07.49 | em_ | android |
| 23:08.54 | frankS2 | em_: crashed during boot here |
| 23:09.08 | em_ | there are several images |
| 23:09.12 | em_ | some are more advanced |
| 23:09.16 | em_ | this is a port of android |
| 23:10.35 | frankS2 | em_: do you have one to recommend me please? Im just sick and tired of switching firmware... nothing is good enough |
| 23:11.03 | em_ | what about these images http://www.fragcom.de/android/ |
| 23:11.51 | em_ | a video link for images uImage-v15-ext3.bin/freerunner-v14.6.jffs2 |
| 23:11.51 | em_ | http://www.dailymotion.com/user/superzell/video/x8s22b_android-sur-un-openmoko-freerunner_tech |
| 23:13.17 | frankS2 | em_: which one of those should i choose? |
| 23:15.11 | em_ | more info here : http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/blog/index.php |
| 23:16.03 | em_ | try uImage-v15-ex3.bin |
| 23:16.04 | em_ | and |
| 23:16.24 | em_ | freerunner-v14.6.jffs2 |
| 23:17.02 | em_ | but I did not personnaly tested them ( I don't even have a freerunner !!!) |
| 23:23.30 | slaxxer | 04162009 shr |
| 23:34.27 | frankS2 | em_: ok thanks mate, checking it out now :) why are you here if you dont have the phone then? hehe |
| 23:34.34 | frankS2 | em_: just curious about the projeect? |
| 23:34.58 | em_ | yes and no : I asked openmoko dev if I could access the freerunner netlists |
| 23:35.17 | em_ | to extract some statistics, I created a model for my thesis, and would like to compare to real netlists |
| 23:35.31 | em_ | but these are _very_ very hard to have (for universities) |
| 23:35.57 | em_ | even openmoko does not publish netlists files (even if some pdfs are equivalent in terms of information) |
| 23:36.07 | em_ | and it should be possible ! |
| 23:36.11 | SpeedEvil | have you contacted pcb manufacturing firms in your area |
| 23:36.11 | em_ | ^^ |
| 23:36.21 | em_ | yup : impossible |
| 23:36.25 | em_ | to get anything |
| 23:36.33 | SpeedEvil | I'll generate a netlist for you from the pdfs for $100. :) |
| 23:36.56 | em_ | even close partners to my project (quiet big one) don't want to share their shcematics/netlists/etc... |
| 23:36.59 | em_ | ahah |
| 23:37.04 | em_ | the pdf are drawings |
| 23:37.19 | SpeedEvil | yes - generating a netlist from them is boring, but quite doable. |
| 23:37.29 | em_ | It is possible to extract netlists by hand... but if I can get an automatic one ! |
| 23:37.39 | em_ | from drawings ? |
| 23:37.49 | SpeedEvil | sure |
| 23:37.55 | em_ | hmm interstin |
| 23:38.20 | em_ | I don't think they are vectorials... |
| 23:38.30 | em_ | How would you proceed (just curious) |
| 23:38.44 | SpeedEvil | write down a net name. Say |
| 23:39.03 | em_ | ok and try to match each name by say autocorrelation |
| 23:39.07 | em_ | but damn slow |
| 23:39.10 | SpeedEvil | Vibrator Mot-1 FET23-2 |
| 23:39.15 | SpeedEvil | or rather |
| 23:39.32 | SpeedEvil | VibratorPower Mot-1 FET23-2 |
| 23:39.33 | em_ | and you probably have to extract each net name by hand (which is much more than boring) |
| 23:39.53 | SpeedEvil | VibratorGnd Mot-2 GND |
| 23:39.55 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 23:40.05 | em_ | extracting netlists from pads will be much more efficient |
| 23:40.12 | SpeedEvil | of course |
| 23:40.55 | em_ | I really want to publish my paper before the end of the year ^^ |
| 23:41.03 | em_ | I meant sumit |
| 23:41.05 | em_ | submit |
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| 23:47.39 | em_ | @SpeedEvil : 100$ for this work is not a lot ;-) : extracting each name by hand, waiting for scilab to finish its computations, compiling results (I want a readable netlist)... will take more than a full day ! |
| 23:48.12 | SpeedEvil | scilab? you type it into a text editor. |
| 23:48.45 | em_ | to make autocorrelation |
| 23:48.56 | em_ | this is a bitmap... |
| 23:49.43 | SpeedEvil | don't follow what scilab's got to do with extracting |
| 23:50.36 | em_ | if you want to detect automagically each time each net appears in your schematic image (this is wat is available from openmoko, schematics are screenshots from pads !) |
| 23:51.44 | frankS2 | moment of truth....... booting android |
| 23:51.49 | SpeedEvil | It is annoying and tedious to do by hand - but quite possible. |
| 23:52.04 | em_ | ywa, I know... but boring and subject to errors |
| 23:52.12 | em_ | I am checking the pdf in text mode |
| 23:52.24 | em_ | yes, binary image |
| 23:53.17 | frankS2 | omgggggggg |
| 23:53.26 | SpeedEvil | have you gone and looked at the open-source schematics you can find? |
| 23:53.29 | frankS2 | i im booting up the phone and i only get the "Openmoko" display |
| 23:53.30 | frankS2 | stops there |
| 23:53.46 | SpeedEvil | I can think of several off-hand |
| 23:56.49 | frankS2 | does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 23:56.52 | frankS2 | it wont boot |
| 23:56.54 | frankS2 | :( |
| 23:57.37 | SpeedEvil | have you tried running around the room screaming? |
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