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00:46.45_sEBAs_hello! :D
00:46.55_sEBAs_somebody there?
00:47.45SpeedEvilno
00:48.12mwesterI'm certainly not.
00:49.25_sEBAs_i just wanted to ask what OS do you all prefer ?
00:50.04mwesterLinux
00:50.26lindi-debian
00:51.18_sEBAs_ok a think a have to ask what distribution
00:51.28mwester:)  SHR
00:51.38_sEBAs_why ?
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00:52.31_sEBAs_it's more stable ?
00:53.01_sEBAs_than the current om version
00:53.03mwesterit has a prayer of actually going somewhere in the future.
00:54.09_sEBAs_do you use on your normal day?
00:55.01mwesterNo.
00:55.23_sEBAs_too many bugs?
00:55.44mwesterIt has a LOOOOONG way to go before it will match my Treo650 in functionality and more importantly in reliability.  And it's not just the software; it's the hardware as well.
00:56.45mwesterHey, it's a fun hobby phone.  Great to learn and experiment with. And I think SHR will be good enough to use for friends and family sorts of things at some point fairly soon.
00:58.24_sEBAs_great! i'm going to experience with the SHR, i already try the current om version and it's has more bugs than the others versions :P
01:00.35_sEBAs_thanks man! :)
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02:23.34rastermwester: prayer is the word :)
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08:19.29sylar91hi, I have to change the touchscreen, anyone knows if the upper plastic part is a standalone one or if it is one unique piece with the touchscreen?
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09:53.38Alesis-NovikHmm, I decided to try FSO (exploring what each distribution has to offer), but I'm struggling to find how to connect to a wireless network
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10:16.15alephnullIs there a way to find the IMEI from software ?
10:17.23XorAdial the *# number that gives you it
10:17.39XorAcant remeber the code off hand, but it works on OM
10:18.56XorAor in my case the number isnt very unique, being all zeros
10:19.49alephnullXorA: I tried that on SHR, and I just get a blank screen with "Data:" on it.
10:20.12alephnull*#06#
10:20.21XorASHR is broken then, it certainly worked in om2007.2 and qtopia
10:22.03XorAIm running Angstrom so dont even have a dialer installed :-)
10:28.13DocScrutinizeralephnull: in settings-phone-modeminfo there's IMEI
10:30.51dos1XorA: it isn't broken. it simply doesn't have support for that code.
10:30.57DocScrutinizeranyway the empty "data:" display clearly is a bug. dunno if it's dialer or framework though
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10:31.20dos1DocScrutinizer: it isn't bug. it want's to send ussd "*#06#"
10:31.41dos1and if reply from operator is blank, it shows blank "data:" window
10:31.41dos1:P
10:32.05DocScrutinizerdos1: it seems it doesn't work for valid USSD like *#61# as well :-(
10:32.20dos1DocScrutinizer: for me it works
10:32.22DocScrutinizerreplyn for sure isnt blank
10:32.31DocScrutinizerhere not
10:32.33dos1*100#
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10:33.13DocScrutinizerbah, *#61# is kinda standard. *#100# is proprietary
10:33.48DocScrutinizerit's definitely broken
10:34.21dos1what is *#61#?
10:34.32DocScrutinizerredirect?
10:34.48dos1and what data should it return?
10:35.41DocScrutinizerthe redirect destination number or "off"
10:36.15dos1but it returns data in the same way as other operator ussds?
10:36.29dos1as *100# for remaining cash ;p
10:36.35DocScrutinizerdon't ask me
10:38.01dos1but it works on other phones?
10:38.56DocScrutinizerphh you mean *101# which is nonstandard anyway as it is enabling (= "*" prefix) instead of querying ( "*#" prefix)
10:39.43DocScrutinizerdos1:  can't you test yourself? ;) *sure* it works on other phones
10:40.27DocScrutinizer3digit USSDs are proprietary anyway
10:40.37DocScrutinizer2digit are IETF
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10:41.29dos1no, *101# in my network is for additional services (listing, enabling, disabling)
10:43.05DocScrutinizeryeah it's proprietary. that's my point ;D
10:43.33dos1;D
10:44.09DocScrutinizerbtw USSD is "\*1<<num>><<num>>#"
10:44.57DocScrutinizer"[*#]<<num>><<num>>#" is service control
10:45.32dos1so ussd works good
10:45.41dos1that's service control which doesn't work ;p
10:45.43DocScrutinizerlike *61*091130838545#, #61#, *#61#
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10:49.21DocScrutinizerdos1: http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm#nummerpres
10:51.31DocScrutinizer*#61#
10:51.32DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
10:51.54dos1it probably returns data is different way than ussd
10:51.59DocScrutinizerthis table is prety non standard as well, but anyway
10:52.20dos1and that "data" window is for ussds :P
10:52.49DocScrutinizerthere's a generic way to transfer commands to network, which comprises sending "numbers" starting with "*" or "#"
10:53.24DocScrutinizerthe answer of all networks is uniform enough so even my 9Y old nokia knows how to handle them
10:53.36DocScrutinizerand it's *not* USSD obviously
10:53.56dos1DocScrutinizer: so bug fso guys ;)
10:55.32DocScrutinizermodern cellphones tend to hide all standard codes behind user menues, but still can operate *#61# as well, and probably do exactly nothing else then sending standard "*61*<number#" when you activate call divertion via menu
10:55.53DocScrutinizerduh, I hope someone of FSO is reading this here
10:56.04XorAwonders if he can yet find a suspendable kernel
10:56.38WonkaXorA: current shr-testing kernel suspends and wakeups quite fine here on gta02
10:56.44DocScrutinizerotoh I'm not sure about dialer using framework at all, when I real all this chat about dbusification of dialer
10:57.26DocScrutinizerXorA: people.om.org/joerg/shr works fine for me ;-) 2009-04-16
10:57.27XorAWonka: unfortuneately that seems to mean nothing with all the different GTA02 varients
10:58.12DocScrutinizerXorA: huh, gta02-variants?
10:58.30DocScrutinizerhw???
10:58.53XorADocScrutinizer: Im yet to get either of my gta02 devices to survive a suspend/resume
10:59.06Wonkagta02a5 with 10pF-GPS-signal-fixup
10:59.09DocScrutinizerwhich variants are you talking about?
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11:00.15XorADocScrutinizer: well mine are both prototypes
11:00.33DocScrutinizerhmm, shouldn't be a problem
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11:01.17DocScrutinizerthere wasn't any prototype after gta02A3 or sth that's significantly different wrt firmware
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11:01.54DocScrutinizeror are you talking about GTA01A* protos, or even GTA03 protos?
11:02.26XorAboth my gta02 come from the batch of 200 originally made, neither of which have ever survived a suspend/resume
11:02.45XorAthe ones labelled with numbered stickers
11:02.49DocScrutinizerthere's no hw reaon to that
11:03.08DocScrutinizerI'd bet at least
11:03.33DocScrutinizerI got 3 protos here
11:03.36DocScrutinizeror 4
11:03.44DocScrutinizershall test it eventually
11:04.01DocScrutinizerbut I'm sure there wasn't any major hw redesign
11:04.03dos1i have gta02v5 from first bath in mass shipping
11:04.12dos1and suspend/resume works well and always worked well
11:04.21DocScrutinizersure
11:04.31XorADocScrutinizer: no there werent, but Im guessing tolerances changed as some people report easy suspend resume, some never seem to work
11:04.51DocScrutinizerhmm, it's digital
11:05.07DocScrutinizerso tolerances shouldn't matter
11:05.58XorAwell from what I gathered from Andy research the white screen of death is very undigital in its cause
11:06.03dos1i think that labeled devices and mass gta02v5 differs only which power leds fix...
11:06.53DocScrutinizeryeahyeah... :-S WSOD isn't exactly a "resume doesn't work" issue
11:07.14DocScrutinizerdos1: yup
11:08.03DocScrutinizerdos1: maybe Vsys buffer cap
11:08.57DocScrutinizerbut as Vsys isn't powered down during suspend (we need the 3V3 anyway) this shouldn't have any impact on resume
11:09.52DocScrutinizerXorA: you might want to update nand uBoot possibly
11:10.13dos1XorA: or try to use Qi
11:10.28DocScrutinizernot sure about which version (introducing which bugs) was on protos
11:11.04XorAcant use Qi
11:11.05alephnullThanks, DocScrutinizer
11:11.32XorAmy NOR flash is blank
11:11.49DocScrutinizerXorA: :-((( *bad*
11:11.56dos1XorA: and you don't have debug board? ;x
11:11.56DocScrutinizernasty even
11:11.58alephnullXorA: How did that happen ?
11:12.07XorAthey were never programmed in factory
11:12.11DocScrutinizerproduction glitch
11:12.14XorAsame as my IMEI were never programmed
11:12.20DocScrutinizermeh
11:12.25alephnulltsk
11:12.29DocScrutinizer:D
11:12.42XorAno debug board v3 to fix it
11:13.05XorAI could short it by hand, but Im lazy
11:13.10DocScrutinizerXorA: you're (ex) OM-employee, you know how to program IMEI, no? ;)
11:13.30XorADocScrutinizer: I never bothered, blank IMEI works in uk :-)
11:13.36DocScrutinizerhehe
11:13.50XorADocScrutinizer: but I could look it up yes :-)
11:14.23dos1"good morning. i would like to block my imei as my mobile was stolen. it's: 000000000000000. can you do something?"
11:14.23dos1;D
11:14.30DocScrutinizerthinks about a possible exploit-vector using IMEI to kick-ass provider's database XD
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11:14.47DocScrutinizerhehehe
11:15.31DocScrutinizersigned vs unsigned e.g.
11:16.14XorAIm not 100% convinced IMEI blocks even work in the UK
11:16.29XorAI think they might only block for a couple of weeks or so
11:16.44DocScrutinizerwell, they work for sure, but maybe aren't enabled/implemented
11:17.17DocScrutinizeror flakey implemented... ;-)
11:17.34XorADocScrutinizer: Ive seen a whole load of stolen/lost phones still functional without an IMEI re-write
11:17.56XorADocScrutinizer: either zero people ever claim the insurance or they are just not implemented
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11:18.45DocScrutinizervery few people know about IMEI at all. And general opinion is a stolen phone will be re-IMEI'd anyway
11:19.16Weissi read somewhere that it doesn't work outside the UK - so you just sell the stolen phone elsewhere in Europe, or vice-versa
11:19.30DocScrutinizerso they didn't care about IMEI lock for a long time here in Germany as well
11:20.02dos1hmm
11:20.03dos1i wonder
11:20.38dos1if stolen neos are reprogrammed ;)
11:20.57DocScrutinizernow the last few years when stealing cellphones bacame a more popular habit, they reimplemented IMEI lock. and forced manufs to implement more secure IMEI scheme
11:21.55DocScrutinizerdos1: for now there's only very few people on earth who know how to re-IMEI a calypso ;-)
11:22.22DocScrutinizerespacially the OM variant
11:23.06DocScrutinizernad there's nly one report of a stolen FR so far
11:23.55dos1hmm... i wonder where is that stolen neo, and who wonders, what is it :D
11:24.04XorAI can see a really gutted thief if they stole a FR
11:24.31XorADocScrutinizer: was that the one stolen from OM stand at tradeshow?
11:24.41DocScrutinizeryup, there was a lengthy thread about that which mentioned all these considerations
11:24.58DocScrutinizerXorA: never heard of that one
11:25.12XorADocScrutinizer: one of stand volunteers had their backpack nicked
11:25.20XorADocScrutinizer: but it might have been gta01 devices
11:25.23DocScrutinizereeew
11:25.55DocScrutinizerthe poor devices. probably all went to junk
11:26.18alephnullOn SHR where are the feeds configured ?
11:26.20XorAodd now the phone wont boot if the u-boot logo shows
11:26.59dos1alephnull: why do you want to change feeds? shr-testing?
11:27.06DocScrutinizerhmm, boot from menu?
11:27.23alephnulldos1: Yeah, to unstable.
11:27.44XorADocScrutinizer: yeah that works, but unattended boot doesnt
11:27.56DocScrutinizerthat's strange
11:27.58XorAmost off
11:28.00XorAmost odd
11:28.01dos1alephnull: /etc/opkg/
11:28.14alephnullThanks.
11:28.18dos1XorA: have you checked u-boot env?
11:28.21DocScrutinizerXorA: env issue?
11:28.37XorAworked fine until I switched to andy-tracking
11:29.08DocScrutinizerupdate uBoot, lazy guy! ;)
11:29.25dos1XorA: and update env, to load bigger kernel :P
11:29.37XorAdid that years ago
11:29.45DocScrutinizerlol
11:29.52DocScrutinizerlast century
11:30.12DocScrutinizercheck Ur env
11:30.35dos1but in boot_cmd too?
11:31.36DocScrutinizeranyway. May 1. Gonna put on my sunglasses 8-) and head outside
11:31.42XorAhehe
11:31.54XorAIll probably play with my beagle, it needs more love
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11:43.37Xenius[xchat]My phone's joystik is almost dead, what phone with EDGE and *nix shell can you advice? I need browser, jabber-client, irc-client, SSH-client, SMS and almost no need for voice calls
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11:46.17Weissok, is it just me, or is busybox's "date" parsing completely whacked?
11:46.43Weissroot@om-gta02 ~ $ date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501"
11:46.43Weiss20110809
11:46.44DocScrutinizerXenius[xchat]: you're aware you are at #openmoko? OM phones don't have a joystick or EDGE (alas)
11:47.12DocScrutinizerbusybox is FUBAR by design
11:47.23Xenius[xchat]But may be you know other free phones
11:47.59DocScrutinizerrumor is Neo still is only free phone
11:48.19DocScrutinizerWeiss: lol
11:49.37Xenius[xchat]But may be some non completely free phones can be reflashed to normal OM or Qtopia
11:49.58Weissroot@om-gta02 ~ $ date -s "124901052009"  
11:49.58WeissMon Jan 18 01:05:00 GMT 2010
11:50.45DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501"
11:50.47DocScrutinizerdate: cannot set date: Operation not permitted
11:50.48DocScrutinizer20090501
11:52.49Weissroot@om-gta02 ~ $  LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -s "20090501"
11:52.49Weiss20100809
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11:53.19Weissi can't quite understand how it gets from what i type to what it sets
11:53.28dos1http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework
11:53.40Weissanyway: hwclock --hctosys and then just setting the time (which works) gets me accurate again
11:55.00DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> LANG=C date +%Y%m%d -d "20090922"
11:55.01Weissah, http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html has the recognised formats
11:55.02DocScrutinizer20090922
11:55.23DocScrutinizer~lart busybox
11:55.23aptgrabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats busybox until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with
11:56.25Weissbingo: root@om-gta02 ~ $ date "2010-05-01 12:56:10"
11:56.25WeissSat May  1 12:56:10 BST 2010
11:57.49DocScrutinizerrefuses to continue conversation about such a rotten piece of sw
11:58.26DocScrutinizercould install cygwin on winmoob6 as well
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12:07.07XorAprefers to install linux on windows
12:11.00SpeedEvilIs there a busybox channel?
12:11.17SpeedEvilRandomly - I'm trying to find a manpage for msh
12:11.38XorAmost busybox commands are only documented in the code
12:11.51SpeedEvil:/
12:12.03SpeedEvilmsh.c isn't pretty.
12:12.34SpeedEvilI'm trying to work out how to reflash my router with a slightly custom image of my choosing. I have a root msh shell.
12:12.49SpeedEvilstabs manufacturers that violate GPL.
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12:15.13DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: contact laf0rge!
12:15.43SpeedEvil?
12:15.51CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0b34c8da7024 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: opimd: CSV_Contacts: support deleting and updating contacts
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12:17.17mickeyls/laforge/gpl-violations.org/
12:17.25DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Welte ""for his activities in enforcing the GNU General Public License (GPL)""
12:17.27SpeedEvildid
12:17.31SpeedEvilthey can do nothing
12:17.41SpeedEvilUS companies only
12:19.03mickeyl?
12:19.32mickeylstrange, i though they had their share of dealing with asian manufacturers as well
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12:22.04SpeedEvilAs  I understand it, their options are real limited for chinese manufacturers with no UK/EU arm
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12:22.22SpeedEvil(dynamode)
12:24.52KageeTangogps has a choice for "Save your route to log (for extending OSM)", and then it starts writing to timestamp.log w/the path from you activated the function - but is there any way to save "where i have been driving", after you have been there?
12:27.10SpeedEvilyou mean output historical path?
12:32.28CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raa61450fb3cf 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: [TI CALYPSO] document +CCLK oddity
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12:41.42DocScrutinizermickeyl: you noticed dialog in this chan about USSD and servicecodes ~12:30 CEST?
12:42.06mickeylno, usually i no longer parse the channellog unless someone pings me
12:42.12mickeyllet me scroll back
12:42.16DocScrutinizerk
12:42.18DocScrutinizer:)
12:43.33mickeylok
12:43.35CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07specs * r54312fcf90b5 10/opim/ (9 files):
12:43.35CIA-45freesmartphone.org: add spec files for the PIM interfaces (opimd)
12:43.35CIA-45freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
12:43.39mickeylthere are two kinds of ussd
12:43.48DocScrutinizeri see
12:43.52mickeylactually
12:43.54mickeylonly one kind
12:43.58mickeylbut the others look similar
12:44.04mickeyl"real" ussd get sent to the network
12:44.09mickeyl"fake" ussd get parsed by the phone
12:44.20mickeylreal ussd can use +CUSD
12:44.24mickeylfake usd need to use ATD
12:44.48DocScrutinizerisn't it the other way round?
12:45.42mickeylno, try
12:45.47mickeylthe IMEI thing e.g.
12:45.48DocScrutinizerif they're parsed I wouldn't expect ATD
12:45.50mickeyldoes not work with CUSD
12:45.53mickeylbut works with ATD
12:46.31mickeylCUSD does not go through the modem itself
12:46.39mickeylwell, how can i put that
12:46.43mickeylit's not evaluated by the modem
12:46.47mickeylit just gets sent
12:46.52mickeylwhile ATD gets evaluated before
12:47.04DocScrutinizerhmm, I'm not sure about whether *all* could go thru ATD tho
12:47.13mickeyli think so
12:47.18mickeyl+CUSD is a later addition
12:47.24DocScrutinizeryup
12:48.33DocScrutinizerwell fact is a lot of *47*11# doesn't work as expected
12:49.11DocScrutinizer*#61# e.g.
12:49.50DocScrutinizeranyway I really need to run now
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12:50.22DocScrutinizerbye
12:50.28mickeylcu
12:51.01mickeyl*#61# works fine
12:51.09mickeylatd*#06#;
12:51.09mickeyl35465101160223440
12:51.09mickeylOK
12:51.18mickeyloh
12:51.22mickeyl#06# vs. 61#
12:51.25mickeylwhat does 61 do?
12:51.39dos1mickeyl: some forwarding
12:51.46mickeylcheck status forwarding
12:52.03dos1so that numbers can't be called by SendUssdRequest?
12:53.22mickeylnever tried the codes for which "real" commands exist
12:53.34mickeylussd are merely useful for balance checking etc.
12:53.49Digital_Pioneer_Yeah, whenever I do any of those *#06# type numbers, it just opens a window that says "Service Data:" and nothing else.
12:53.54dos1mickeyl: yep, it works in SHR (balance chenking wtc.)
12:54.07dos1Digital_Pioneer: cause it's called as ussd
12:54.08Digital_PioneerAnd I use SHR-U.
12:54.28Digital_PioneerAnd what (forgive my ignorance) is USSD?
12:54.49mickeylUnstructured Supplementary Service Data
12:55.39Digital_PioneerOK, and why does that make it not work?
12:56.34mickeylwell, it works
12:56.37mickeylfor some commands
12:56.39mickeylsome not
12:56.50mickeylwhich and which not depends on your network, SIM issuer, and modem
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13:11.20ChristW[FSO] Is there a suported way to upgrade FSO 5.0 to 5.1, without re-flashing my root filesystem? Also, is there a 'current stable' kernel to use with FSO?
13:12.38Digital_PioneerIs there a 'current stable' kernel to use with any distro? ;D
13:13.05Digital_PioneerActually, I've not had any trouble so far with kernels except for accelerometer quirks.
13:13.55ChristWWifi seems to be a problem at the moment.
13:14.08ChristWBut since I couldn't get knjMokoWifi to work anyway....
13:14.23Weissstable as in "not being changed all the time", or stable as in "works"?
13:15.04ChristW'Mostly works' would be the most to ask for, I guess...
13:15.59Weissi haven't had any particular kernel problems using the tip of andy-tracking for a while, but others may disagree..
13:17.05Digital_PioneerOh, I have relatively little trouble with Wifi, I just can't find a GUI that works with it. :D
13:18.25Weiss(i actually use drm-tracking, but it's "just" andy-tracking with some glamo bits messed around with. don't go there..)
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13:23.56CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r29fb45059828 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: fix importing fields many times from the same backend
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13:24.02CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbf641ad11316 10/docs/ogsmd/ti_calypso/modem: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework
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13:31.05feitingenhi. just in case anyone of you get the urge to compile, say, enlightenment on the phone, be discouraged. it is very slow.
13:31.54saracen=)
13:32.09DocScrutinizer(14:53:23] <mickeyl> never tried the codes) that's the problem
13:32.21mickeylcould be
13:32.33mickeylbut i don't see much value in using these codes
13:32.40mickeylthey're for featurephones
13:32.57DocScrutinizernope, they are foundation of services
13:32.59mickeylforwarding, PIN on/off, etc. is better operated with the dedicated commands
13:33.43DocScrutinizerI'm not averse, as long as the basic *xx# work as well
13:33.49mickeylsure
13:33.52mickeyland it looks it does
13:34.02mickeylat least for things like checking balance
13:34.03DocScrutinizerbasically these are all network-defined
13:34.43DocScrutinizernope, balance check is a "real" USSD conprised of 3 digits
13:35.11DocScrutinizerwhereas *61*number# is a generic service control command
13:35.27mickeylwhy do you need *61*number#?`
13:35.30DocScrutinizeras well as *#61#, #61#
13:35.48DocScrutinizerduh, because I *want* to use it
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13:36.06DocScrutinizerand i have for now, as there is no servicemenu in SHR
13:36.22KageeSpeedEvil: yes, i think so
13:36.33mickeylok, then if it doesn't work with CUSD and not with ATD, then it's broken in the modem or the network or the card issuer
13:36.46mickeylor a combination of those
13:36.58KageeDrove for an hour w/tangogps yesterday, but forgot to turn on logging before i left - is there any way to save it after?
13:37.02DocScrutinizerit seems to work, but answer isn't displayed
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13:37.44DocScrutinizerthere's an empty "data:   " screen, for *#06# as well as for *#61#
13:38.13mickeylwell, the first one does not work via CUSD
13:38.25mickeyleither the dialer or fso needs to have an exception list
13:38.28mickeylfor those fake codes
13:38.32mickeylsince those need to go via ATD
13:38.35DocScrutinizerthe second one also shouldn't
13:38.56DocScrutinizerI think all should go via ATD
13:39.08mickeylno
13:39.11DocScrutinizeras that's what I actually want it to be like
13:39.13mickeylyou can't define the charset
13:39.23mickeylCUSD allows you to define the charset you want to receive the answer in
13:39.27mickeylthat's better than via ATD
13:39.45DocScrutinizerduh, I don't care. My 9Y old nokia doesn't care
13:39.50DocScrutinizersimply works
13:40.19mickeylyo, check with Dieter, perhaps something wrong in the firmware
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13:41.43dos1mickeyl: is there a way to start subsystems in different processes?
13:41.55mickeylusing call.Initiate you can send any code
13:42.14dos1mickeyl: i want to test opimd sim backend, but restarting whole frameworkd takes forever
13:42.22dos1:P
13:42.30mickeylyou can limited the subsystems to start
13:42.39mickeyluse -s
13:43.05dos1mickeyl: i know, but i want to have "frameworkd -s odeviced,ousaged,ogsmd" in one process and "frameworkd -s opimd" in second
13:43.14dos1and only restart that opimd
13:43.29mickeylyou need to patch something then
13:43.40mickeylsomewhere it checks whether org.freesmartphone.frameworkd is already registered
13:43.43mickeylit bails out, if so
13:43.49mickeylremove this check or outcommet
13:45.00DocScrutinizer[2009-05-01 14:51:10] <mickeyl> atd*#06#;
13:45.01DocScrutinizer[2009-05-01 14:51:10] <mickeyl> 35465101160223440
13:45.03DocScrutinizer[2009-05-01 14:51:11] <mickeyl> OK
13:45.09DocScrutinizer[2009-05-01 14:53:50] <Digital_Pioneer_> Yeah, whenever I do any of those *#06# type numbers, it just opens a window that says "Service Data:" and nothing else.
13:45.32DocScrutinizerSo this seems to be a dialer problem, not calypso firmware
13:45.52DocScrutinizerdos1: ^
13:46.25dos1dialer just displays window "Service Data:" on incoming ussd signal from frameworkd
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13:47.29DocScrutinizerso then it's a frameworkd problem not accepting answers other than a mere OK from ATD
13:47.55DocScrutinizerwhatever it is, it needs to be fixed!
13:49.11DocScrutinizermickeyl: ^
13:49.11mickeylsomeone could enhance the SendUssdRequest to use ATD for several classes of requests, and synthesize the service data signal
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13:50.07mickey|gardeningopen a ticket :)
13:50.20mickey|gardeningbbiab, painting some furniture
13:54.35DocScrutinizeraway burning some cars ;-)
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14:00.24DocScrutinizermickey|gardening: well at least "*31#telnumber" seems to work ;-)
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16:00.09CIA-45freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: return successful merge when trying to add contact, which already exists
16:00.09CIA-45freesmartphone.org: It should close "Don't duplicate contacts when calling InitAllEntries twice" ticket on my paper-trac :)
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17:19.15DocScrutinizerdos1: please do me a favour and include some means to disable automatic readout of SIM conatcs (or of any database for that purpose) on opimd-startup. I really don't like to have my SIM contacts imported over and over again - but also I don't like to delete them from SIM. Idea is to import them once, then delete the undesirable ones in local db
17:21.30DocScrutinizerdos1: occasionally I even use a friend's SIM for test purposes. For sure I don't want his contacts to be imported unconditionally
17:22.05dos1DocScrutinizer: contacts aren't imported. they are only read and stored on one session.
17:22.20dos1on second session you have to read they from sim again
17:22.30DocScrutinizerhmm, so no local db at all?
17:22.49dos1there are backends
17:22.52dos1sim, sqlite, csv
17:23.13DocScrutinizerok, so this doesn't change the request anyway
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17:23.23dos1on initallentries, backends reads contacts
17:23.35dos1they are saved only in memory
17:23.42dos1it's kind of cache
17:23.48dos1there is no importing
17:24.17DocScrutinizerstill I want to disable SIM readout
17:24.58DocScrutinizeror, alternatively, have a filter to hide all sim contacts in "cache"
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17:31.42DocScrutinizerdos1:  to elaborate: in local db I might have "<name>bob</> <tel-office>1234</> <tel-home>5678</>". On SIM I have "bob-office: 1234" and "bob-home:5678". I like to keep it this way, and I don't want the SIM contacts to show up usually
17:32.18dos1we can support categories on sim in opimd
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17:32.49dos1but of course, there should be ability to disable backends in frameworkd.conf
17:33.07DocScrutinizer:-)
17:33.13DocScrutinizergreat
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17:40.37DocScrutinizerdos1: btw:what's meaning of "we can support categories on sim in opimd"? AFAIK sim can't handle categories - that's why I had to resort to dirty workarounds like the one sketched above
17:41.49dos1DocScrutinizer: there was some ticker on om trac, and it should be easy to implement
17:42.46dos1DocScrutinizer: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2085
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18:12.03DocScrutinizerdos1: (#2085) I suggest to use a regex instead of hardcoded scheme
18:12.43DocScrutinizerdos1: use braces to define precedence of truncation
18:14.53DocScrutinizerdos1: plus a set of tuples in config to set clearnames of categories
18:16.25DocScrutinizerhmm, might become a bit of work
18:16.39DocScrutinizernevermind
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18:37.42CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r3f733b42ccc3 10/src/opimd/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
18:37.42CIA-45freesmartphone.org: opimd: add opimd_contact_update
18:37.42CIA-45freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
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19:12.30Ian00ok. I have a freerunner, i haven't set it up yet. I it to act as a stable phone for 2 weeks, what distro should i load on it?
19:12.56dos1shr
19:12.57max_posedonshr
19:13.08Ian00ok, thanks
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19:28.29XorAhmm, killed my first FR battery
19:28.33XorAlucky I got spares :-)
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19:30.01DocMobilizerXorA: how did you manage to do THAT?
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19:30.30XorADocMobilizer: no idea, it just doesnt charge anymore, but it was one of the really early batteries
19:30.38XorADocMobilizer: GTA02v3 era
19:30.53DocMobilizerhmm
19:31.18XorAhave a pile of spares though
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19:32.09DocMobilizerwould really like to know what broke exactly
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19:33.14XorADocMobilizer: email me your address
19:35.30XorAbut not to my old OM address :-)
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20:02.53bumbl~seen Dave
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20:05.22Ian00so shr has testing and unstable. download page says unstable is recommended, shr page says testing is recommended. any idea?
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20:06.55dos1unstable
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20:07.09dos1but it's my opinion
20:08.49Ian00ok, on unstable there seems to be lite and non-lite variant
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20:08.53Ian00whats the diff?
20:09.00ndnihilmore software
20:10.20Ian00more software is generally good. my main concern is i need stable calling for the next 2 weeks. will that matter? otherwise i would assume non-lite
20:10.29DocMobilizerIan00: shr is recommended ;)
20:10.47Ian00DocMobilizer, yes, i'm doing shr, but trying to pick between the 3 variants
20:11.04Ian00unstable lite, unstable, or testing
20:11.08DocMobilizer:)
20:11.18Ian00which of those is recommended?
20:11.21ndnihiltesting unlite
20:11.36Ian00k
20:11.52DocMobilizeri'm using my testing as of04-16. srable
20:12.16ndnihilI recently flashed the 04/22 version of shr testing
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20:12.27ndnihilgetting a lot closer to being usable
20:12.48ndnihilom-testing was pretty nifty (nice and fast), but lacking in software
20:13.02DocMobilizermirko :)
20:13.11mirko-parolihi DocMobilizer
20:13.30mirko-parolicame just in time to hear sth nice being said about om-testing ;)
20:14.13ndnihildon't get too inflated, I flashed it back over to the latest shr testing :)
20:14.20mirko-parolihehe
20:14.21mirko-parolino worries
20:14.28ndnihilbut that being said, I do like where it's headed
20:14.46mirko-parolibtw lacking software in what sense?
20:15.20ndnihildidn't see much in the way of anything but bare necessities
20:15.31mirko-paroliah
20:15.31ndnihildialer, sms, and a clock
20:15.41mirko-parolihehe, yeah paroli ;)
20:15.51mirko-parolibehind it is the usual illume thingy
20:15.55ndnihilI do like how quickly it responded though
20:16.05mirko-parolinice
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20:16.31ndnihilshr is usable, but can be a bit jumpy sometimes
20:17.05Ian00the wiki links i found for for shr testing is broken: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02  
20:17.12Ian00what is a good link?
20:17.15mirko-parolik, I should really use this weekend to finally take a look at shr
20:17.39mirko-parolik, coke&rum and then sleep ;)
20:17.43ndnihilthe 04/22 release of shr-testing somehow managed to fix the buzz issue in software for me
20:17.51ndnihilI thought that was a hardware fix
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20:18.33ndnihilian: grab openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090422-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
20:18.35DocMobilizerndnihil: pureincidence
20:19.28Ian00ndnihil, ok, from where? paste a link to the directory
20:19.29ndnihilnot that mine was buzzing very badly at all in the first place
20:19.32ndnihilit was very usable
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20:19.52mirko-parolithere is also sth that can be done software wise
20:20.02ndnihilian: the shr repositories
20:20.05mirko-parolisome channel settings between modem and sw, me thinks
20:20.27ndnihilmirko: I did that, but there was still a slight hum, not bad, but noticable
20:20.34DocMobilizermirko-paroli: nope
20:20.35ndnihilnoticeable
20:21.18Ian00ndnihil, ok, what directory in the shr repo? from here http://build.shr-project.org/
20:22.32DocMobilizeryou can set At%N for different noisegate level
20:22.32ndnihilhrm, looks like it got moved to shr-testing-bad
20:22.33mirko-paroliDocMobilizer: i got that from nytowl
20:22.34ndnihilfor some reason?
20:22.49mirko-parolii don't really use phones much these days
20:22.55Ian00ya, whats bad about it? lol
20:23.53DocMobilizermirko-paroli: dunno where from nytowl got that
20:24.17ndnihilthe screen lock doesnt work, gprs config settings dont hold when made through the gui, and there is a screen redraw issue when switchind modes
20:24.21mirko-parolimaybe it only reduced it
20:24.24DocMobilizerurban legend
20:24.26ndnihilbut hell, that's no worse than the previous release
20:25.56Ian00ndnihil, so i should disregard the -bad move?
20:26.13ndnihilnot sure, I don't know why it was marked bad
20:26.41ndnihilanyone from shr project around?
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20:28.16ndnihiland the list archives are only as recent as january
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20:28.46ndnihilfor announce anyway
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20:29.25wurp2|workingndnihil: The testing branch was moved to -bad because the feed was bad (for doing your own build)
20:29.29wurp2|workingthe images out there should be fine
20:29.37ndnihilah
20:29.46ndnihilthanks for clarifying that
20:29.51wurp2|workingyw
20:29.59Ian00yes thank you
20:30.02ndnihilian: flash away
20:30.06wurp2|workingmrmoku marked it bad yesterday.  I'm surprised it wasn't already fixed
20:30.36DocMobilizerMRMOKU
20:31.01wurp2|workingHe's on in openmoko-cdevel
20:32.03Ian00ndnihil, so you told me to get 2 files, on the flashing instructions there are 3 files, it seems the kernel is the one you didn't mention, should i get that too?
20:32.14ndnihiluImage is the kernel
20:32.29SpeedEvilbootloader is third
20:32.31Ian00ok :)
20:32.31ndnihilthird file is probably bootloader (uBoot or qi)
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20:32.48Ian00yes, the bootloader
20:32.51Ian00should i update that?
20:32.57ndnihilI wouldnt bother
20:32.57Ian00its with what came with the phone now.
20:33.03Ian00ok
20:33.08ndnihiland in fact
20:33.10ndnihilhavent bothered
20:33.16ndnihilmine is still running the uBoot it came with
20:35.44DocMobilizerheard u need new uboot to ger resume reason. nobody using that for now:-/
20:37.00ndnihilonly thing that has made me consider updating is the image backup ability
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20:37.18ndnihilcan flash to the phone easily enough, but reading the flash and dumping to file doesnt work
20:37.36DocMobilizeryup
20:38.08DocMobilizerheard that rumor ;-)
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20:55.00CIA-45freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r13cd1b7d8538 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/api_overview.txt pimb_csv_contacts.py pimd_contacts.py):
20:55.01CIA-45freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: implement Update(); allow backends to use sync() after deleting or updating;
20:55.01CIA-45freesmartphone.org:  CVS_Contacts: use sync().
20:55.16dos1mrmoku: please :)
20:56.45Ian00generally, i can activate a number & sim on another phone, then swap the sim into the freerunner, right?
20:57.25ndnihilian: yep, I swiped the sim and 2G uSD from the brokeberry work gave me :)
20:57.56ndnihilfree unlimited data plan ftw
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