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| 00:07.36 | Slaxxer | ugly |
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| 00:09.11 | Slaxxer | crapload of modules |
| 00:13.01 | Slaxxer | real ugly |
| 00:13.10 | Dave | describing yourself now, are ye? |
| 00:13.14 | Slaxxer | yup |
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| 02:28.51 | brian__ | how do i get the black background keyboard "terminal" on 2008.12? |
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| 02:32.59 | brian__ | can i build a jffs2 file myself from a freerunner backup or something? |
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| 02:41.33 | brian__ | i have 2008.12 loaded with alot of stuff |
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| 03:22.49 | Slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#How_to_install_a_new_Keyboard_Layout |
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| 03:23.22 | Slaxxer | i want that but i get a white keyboard every time----WHY? |
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| 06:40.50 | mbuf | A-GPS is available on FR? or which distro provides good GPS support? |
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| 06:55.52 | dns | most have good support, i use shr myself, fso-gpsd seems to work better than gpsd |
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| 06:56.48 | gecco | good morning |
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| 07:03.43 | gfather | good morning guys :) |
| 07:05.35 | gfather | no one uo , strange |
| 07:05.41 | gfather | wake up guys :) |
| 07:08.37 | mwester | It's one o'clock in the morning , and it's Monday ----- go back to bed!!! I |
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| 07:27.18 | gecco | i'm at work :) |
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| 08:37.51 | pabs3 | has anyone here resolved this issue? http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1598645 |
| 08:38.59 | pabs3 | restoring the state files didn't work for me |
| 08:39.29 | pabs3 | anyone know how to make it not use speakerphone for incoming calls? |
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| 08:54.23 | pabs3 | ah, had to stop QPE first |
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| 10:00.39 | Demind | Hi |
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| 10:01.21 | Demind | Does anybody have tried to recompile FR kernel following the Wiki?I'm talking about the git tree, thanks |
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| 10:02.18 | henk | Demind: if so? |
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| 10:06.53 | Demind | I have some errors |
| 10:06.59 | Demind | with the standard config |
| 10:07.21 | Demind | and they are not errors related to the compile stuff... |
| 10:07.25 | Demind | can I pastebin? |
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| 10:10.06 | Demind | oh well, here i pasted my errors: http://pastebin.com/m7de1e871 |
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| 10:18.33 | Demind | So anybody has a hint for me? |
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| 10:29.00 | henk | Demind: syntax error in some file. grep -ri no_0f58c86e19a954fd-mokodev /path/to/kernel/tree could help you find the file causing the problem. |
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| 10:32.58 | Demind | unfortunately I've already tried that |
| 10:33.25 | Cervajz | Hello, could you help me please with AT command? I don't know how send them to GSM modem... |
| 10:33.35 | Demind | that was the first thing....I've used a grep -d recurse instead of a grep -ri but the result obviuosly is the same |
| 10:33.47 | henk | Demind: what repo did you check out? |
| 10:34.03 | henk | Cervajz: i think there is an example for that in the gsm flashing wiki article. |
| 10:34.27 | Demind | git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 |
| 10:34.27 | Demind | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.46 | Demind | I obtain the same even if I checkout the stable one |
| 10:34.46 | Cervajz | henk: yes, here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Neo_FreeRunner_gsm_modem#Sending_Commands |
| 10:34.46 | Cervajz | but it's not working for me |
| 10:35.09 | Demind | Cervajz when I do stuff like that I use minicom |
| 10:35.20 | Cervajz | Does anybody has some experiences with this? |
| 10:35.30 | Cervajz | Demind: Ah ok. i'll try it |
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| 10:35.40 | henk | Cervajz: 'not working' is ... crap. no information. how should we help without information? |
| 10:36.27 | Cervajz | henk: I'm sorry, whena I connect to /dev/ttySAC0 then cu shows "connected", but i don't know how send these commands |
| 10:36.54 | henk | Cervajz: apart from that, i was talking about this article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 10:37.25 | henk | Cervajz: using cat and echo seems to work just fine. cu/minicom whatever are not necessarily needed. |
| 10:37.36 | Cervajz | o_O damn, only echo :D |
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| 10:38.11 | henk | Demind: i'm checking it out too to test. perhaps i can find something. |
| 10:38.26 | Demind | Thanks a lot |
| 10:38.39 | Demind | It sounds quite weird to me that error |
| 10:38.48 | Demind | I wait here :) |
| 10:40.04 | Cervajz | Thank you, i'll try it |
| 10:40.35 | jipey | hi guys, I would like to know if the GTA02 is likely to have overheating problems ? |
| 10:43.09 | jipey | I have some freezes when I'm doing tasks using CPU a lot, then I have to wait a while to be able to restart it... |
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| 10:55.21 | henk | Demind: what does git branch tell you? (not continuing in the query, might interest other people) |
| 10:56.05 | Demind | ok |
| 10:56.25 | Demind | git branch |
| 10:56.26 | Demind | * (no branch) |
| 10:56.26 | Demind | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.37 | henk | what branch do you want? |
| 10:56.37 | Demind | this doesn't sound good |
| 10:56.44 | Demind | andy-tracking |
| 10:57.11 | lindi- | Demind: git branch -r |
| 10:57.38 | henk | Demind: you have to check that out... git checkout origin/andy-tracking afaik |
| 10:57.42 | Demind | lindi-: I get a list of possible branches with that command |
| 10:57.47 | henk | the 'afaik' does not belong to the command ;) |
| 10:57.55 | Demind | I know ;) |
| 10:58.02 | Demind | the problem is that I've just done it |
| 10:58.07 | Demind | my procedure was: |
| 10:58.27 | Demind | 1_ cloning git tree |
| 10:58.27 | Demind | 2_ "selecting" git branch |
| 10:58.36 | Demind | with checkout origin/andy-tracking |
| 10:58.43 | lindi- | i think i created my own local branch that tracks the remote branch |
| 10:58.51 | Demind | in fact when I gave that commando I got: |
| 10:59.02 | Demind | git checkout origin/andy-tracking |
| 10:59.03 | Demind | HEAD is now at 0f58c86... MERGE-via-pending-tracking-hist-MERGE-via-stable-tracking-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc-1231750955 pending-tracking-hist top was MERGE-via-stable-tracking-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc-1231750955 / e65b1767efec44dadf4ee7163bedffc0aedfd06e ... parent commitmessage: From: merge <null@invalid> MERGE-via-stable-tracking-hist-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc |
| 11:00.10 | lindi- | Demind: try "git branch local-andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking" |
| 11:00.24 | lindi- | Demind: it should create a local branch that tracks the remote branch |
| 11:00.41 | Demind | git branch local-andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking |
| 11:00.41 | Demind | Branch local-andy-tracking set up to track remote branch refs/remotes/origin/andy-tracking. |
| 11:00.47 | lindi- | yep |
| 11:00.56 | lindi- | Demind: now git checkout local-andy-tracking |
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| 11:01.22 | Demind | git checkout local-andy-tracking |
| 11:01.22 | Demind | Switched to branch "local-andy-tracking" |
| 11:01.23 | henk | i just love rcs... |
| 11:01.25 | Demind | this sound sgood |
| 11:01.26 | henk | so much fun. |
| 11:01.34 | Demind | I try |
| 11:01.36 | lindi- | Demind: there you go |
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| 11:02.27 | Demind | good |
| 11:02.36 | Demind | great guys you gave me a very big help |
| 11:02.38 | Demind | thanks |
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| 11:04.38 | Demind | have to go now, thanks again. Bye see you soon! |
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| 12:30.48 | Bert_2 | Hi, if I would like to make an app for the FSO distribution, can I base myself onto http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide or is that only for OM2008 ? |
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| 12:37.06 | henk | Bert_2: there is no 'fso distribution' per se, they are just demo images. the fso framework is going to be used in Om from 2009 on and debian, shr (afaik) and other distributions already use the fso stack anyway. |
| 12:37.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rcf8ecea98c44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): |
| 12:37.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add new properties to SMS messages |
| 12:37.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This adds support for setting and getting alphabet (encoding) and PID |
| 12:37.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: over sms.properties |
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| 12:39.05 | Bert_2 | henk: okey, but I just want to know which programming languages are available ;) |
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| 12:41.06 | henk | Bert_2: at least python, but as far as i understood the concept any available on that hardware platform. |
| 12:41.46 | Bert_2 | henk: so if I'd like to compile PHP and PHP-GTK for ARM I can do that and it should work ? |
| 12:42.11 | henk | php? o_O |
| 12:42.21 | henk | hate that... |
| 12:42.58 | Bert_2 | henk: yeah, I should learn python but I already know PHP so it would be a lot easier if I could use PHP-CLI and PHP-GTK |
| 12:43.10 | Bert_2 | I mean it takes over a month to learn python and pygtk |
| 12:43.34 | henk | 'sigh' and php only takes a day and that's why there are mainly shitty php apps out there... |
| 12:43.57 | Bert_2 | yeah, that's true I know |
| 12:44.14 | henk | bullshit... i'd learn python or c/c++ when developing for the phone. python is on there anyways and anything compiled usually runs faster than interpreted stuff. |
| 12:44.45 | henk | i don't use php on my server nor would i have the idea of using it for a not webbased application. |
| 12:44.47 | Bert_2 | yeah, but isn't it going to take very long to learn GUI programming in python and c++ ? |
| 12:45.38 | henk | learning programming takes long. it's not a matter of days or weeks usually... |
| 12:45.55 | Bert_2 | yeah, I already tought so |
| 12:46.04 | Bert_2 | but I'll have to learn python anyway so why not |
| 12:46.19 | Bert_2 | and I'm already learning C++ during vacations |
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| 12:47.52 | henk | making a gui depends on the tools used... with borland builder c++ there is a nice toy interface for 'building' a gui and with anjuta there is a ide for linux that helps building gtkX guis. |
| 12:48.31 | Bert_2 | but those IDE-ish programs take away much of the power you have as a programmer, right ? |
| 12:48.31 | henk | if you like writing your guis by hand it's probably going to take longer, but will be cleaner i can imagine. |
| 12:48.42 | lindi- | there's glade too that generates XML representation of the GTK ui which can then be used from both C and python afaik |
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| 12:49.13 | henk | i just hate borland... had to use that at school to learn c++ that has not been ansi compatible up to 2002 and is even more incompatible since then. |
| 12:49.27 | Bert_2 | lindi-: I know glade, making complex GUIs with it is aweful |
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| 12:49.52 | Bert_2 | lindi-: but perhaps it's good for the neo because it has a small screen (so no space for complex stuff) |
| 12:49.52 | lindi- | henk: are you sure you could have not used something else? |
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| 12:50.23 | kamson | hi |
| 12:50.34 | Bert_2 | henk: thank god I'm going to a FOSS inspired university :P |
| 12:50.37 | Bert_2 | hi kamson |
| 12:50.49 | henk | lindi-: yep! our teacher didn't even know borland c++ in that version was not compatible to ansi c++... |
| 12:51.10 | henk | Bert_2: lucky you... which one? |
| 12:51.13 | lindi- | henk: i have always managed to negotiate myself away from such "MUST DO"'s |
| 12:51.30 | Bert_2 | henk: university of Antwerp (for my bachelor) |
| 12:51.43 | Bert_2 | henk: I've already been there to get some CAcert stuff done |
| 12:51.45 | lindi- | henk: usually it only involves doing double the work or something |
| 12:52.13 | henk | lindi-: i didn't really care... our class was a mixture between systemintegratoren (admins) and anwendungsentwicklern (application developers) and since i'm not a developer i didn't care enough to do something. |
| 12:52.19 | henk | we had enough other problems... |
| 12:53.29 | Bert_2 | that's one of the great things about being a teenage webdesigner, I'm not bound to operating systems :P |
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| 12:54.39 | Bert_2 | but now I'm going for apps and the distasters begin :P |
| 12:54.45 | henk | lindi-: it's not like that was a university or something. that was a 'berufsschule' for apprentices to 'learn' something there. http://xkcd.com/519/ shows pretty accurately how useful that school was to me... |
| 12:55.21 | Bert_2 | lol :P |
| 12:55.36 | Bert_2 | reminds me of the hacker manifesto |
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| 14:13.09 | kW | Hello, does anybody know in which OPKG package the command "iptables" is buried? |
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| 14:17.08 | Cervajz | Hello gentleman :) I'm planning develop application for Neo Freerunner, but my question is which distro is better for this purpose...My first plan was develop for Om200x.x distro but when I saw FSO I'm hesitating. Sorry form my English |
| 14:19.07 | max_posedon | Cervajz, SHR is good choose. |
| 14:19.32 | evolux | is there a stable shr image atm? |
| 14:19.56 | evolux | or should i rather wait a bit longer assuming that i'm quite happy with my current distro? |
| 14:21.23 | Cervajz | yes, but has SHR future? |
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| 14:21.35 | max_posedon | SHR isn't stable, but, it impements freesmartphone.org specification, and that is really nice. And very nice if you want develop some application that shoud work with GSP/PIM/etc |
| 14:21.59 | evolux | so the latest fso image is more stable? |
| 14:22.35 | evolux | my fso installation broke when i did opkg update; opkg upgrade |
| 14:22.35 | Cervajz | max_posedon: Wow, SHR has "dbus" like FSO? |
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| 14:22.42 | evolux | and now i wonder if i should reinstall the fso image and not upgrading it or if i should install shr |
| 14:22.44 | Shlee | the latest fso is "stable" but its considered a base install.. |
| 14:22.59 | max_posedon | Cervajz, yes. |
| 14:23.18 | evolux | Shlee: base meaning you should opkg install stuff? I think that is reasonable for any distribution |
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| 14:23.46 | alephnull | gtk+-fastscaling is causing a bunch of conflicts when upgrading to OM2008.12. Is this a known issue ? |
| 14:23.54 | Cervajz | max_posedon: Ok...so...I can develop app for FOS and it will be works on SHR too.. |
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| 14:24.14 | max_posedon | Cervajz, hm... depend on what your app will do) |
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| 14:26.48 | Cervajz | max_posedon: It will be a desktop application for managing neo, sending sms, editing contacts, etc |
| 14:27.04 | Cervajz | It has two parts: Client (desktop) and server |
| 14:27.09 | Cervajz | Comunicating over TCP |
| 14:28.50 | max_posedon | hm... yes it should works on both (SHR/FSO) if you will use dbus. |
| 14:29.15 | max_posedon | (and if you will use dbus, you doesn't need a "server" at all, as I know) |
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| 14:50.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: (alsa softvol) see: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/1731 |
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| 15:02.30 | simoo | Hi how do I unpack the kernel modules into the root of my freerunner when using qtextended? |
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| 15:08.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r97ec4a1770fc 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-dbus.h: |
| 15:08.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: adjust BUS_PATH for battery |
| 15:08.25 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 15:10.03 | root_at | hi. i want to install shr, and in the openmoko wiki is written that i need 2 files from here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ . kernel *-latest.bin and a jffs2 file, but there is none. where do i get the root files sys from? |
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| 15:11.29 | henk | root_at: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started |
| 15:12.38 | root_at | but here the link goes to a page for neo1973. is this fine? |
| 15:13.13 | henk | root_at: yes, look for gta02 (Freerunner) in the filename. gta01 is neo1973 |
| 15:13.32 | root_at | ah yes..but which jffs2 file do i need? |
| 15:16.14 | henk | root_at: uhm how should we know? probably the latest? for gta02? with a summary? perhaps the lite edition? |
| 15:20.40 | root_at | i thought it would matter in any way |
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| 15:21.19 | root_at | but i will take the lite edition..i am minimalist :) |
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| 15:31.36 | MrShleee | CES is "BOOM"-con.. |
| 15:32.02 | MrShleee | If I listen to one more PR-guy say.. "and look at this.. BOOM" |
| 15:32.04 | MrShleee | I |
| 15:32.11 | MrShleee | I'll choke them. |
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| 15:56.19 | evolux | angl |
| 15:56.21 | evolux | argl |
| 15:56.29 | evolux | why are the fso repositories so broken? |
| 15:56.42 | Tm_T | fso repositories? |
| 15:56.44 | evolux | I want to install python-sqlite3 |
| 15:57.06 | evolux | right after flashing the fso image, opkg tells me it got a 404 downloading the .ipk |
| 15:57.10 | evolux | so i do opkg update |
| 15:57.29 | Tm_T | I thought fso is not for use alone |
| 15:57.39 | evolux | but then opkg seems not to have any download link anymore |
| 15:58.09 | evolux | but when those packages are in the package list files then they should be installable i think... |
| 15:58.10 | evolux | regardless of the availability of any frontends |
| 15:58.34 | evolux | when i do opkg upgrade, it installs new opkg-feed files |
| 15:58.38 | Tm_T | evolux: unless packagelist is not from repository server |
| 15:59.07 | evolux | but i don't want to do a full upgrade because then the system is even more fucked up |
| 15:59.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4a8735490abf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:59.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fixed getting of alphabet property. |
| 15:59.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: The previous commit broke all SMS functionality, this fixes the issue. A |
| 15:59.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: test case is now included that will recognize this failure. |
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| 15:59.49 | evolux | Tm_T: the first packagelist is the one in the official image, the second resulted after a simple opkg update |
| 16:00.18 | Tm_T | evolux: I think fso is "EOL" as distribution |
| 16:00.25 | evolux | eol? |
| 16:00.30 | Tm_T | end of life |
| 16:00.35 | henk | it's not a distribution... |
| 16:00.42 | Tm_T | henk: exactly |
| 16:00.57 | Tm_T | henk: OM did have barebones distribution named FSO |
| 16:01.01 | Tm_T | but not anymore |
| 16:01.07 | Tm_T | IIRC |
| 16:01.12 | evolux | fso worked perfectly for me one week ago |
| 16:01.15 | Tm_T | I might be wrong, as usual |
| 16:01.22 | evolux | before they changed the package lists |
| 16:01.37 | evolux | so does SHR have a usable package repository? |
| 16:01.43 | Tm_T | does |
| 16:02.00 | Tm_T | but also might have breakages until first release and so on |
| 16:02.10 | evolux | is there a usable image? |
| 16:02.14 | Tm_T | is |
| 16:02.20 | Tm_T | in their page |
| 16:02.40 | Tm_T | shr-project.org I think |
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| 16:03.12 | evolux | thank you! |
| 16:05.01 | root_at | y does my shr dont ask me for a pin at startup? |
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| 16:07.26 | piti | root_at: do you have a sim card, pin protected, in your phone ? |
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| 16:08.11 | root_at | yes |
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| 16:08.33 | root_at | but i am not sure if its readable for the phone..i tried it with om before it worked once, but next time it didnt |
| 16:09.25 | root_at | now a pin request came, but it says that my pin is wrong |
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| 16:13.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc2873b99d403 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 16:13.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Add an error property. |
| 16:13.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: The goal is that SMS parsing will not result in any Exceptions, but |
| 16:13.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: instead the error property will indicate if parsing a short message |
| 16:13.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: failed for some reason. |
| 16:13.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r29306c804c8b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): |
| 16:13.47 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Don't fail when service center timestamps are invalid |
| 16:13.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: If parsing the scts field fails the date is substituted for a dummy |
| 16:13.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: value and the error property is marked accordingly. |
| 16:14.24 | root_at | can i start the pin request manually? |
| 16:15.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3c27e5411081 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Add a test case for invalid Service Center timestamp parsing |
| 16:20.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re650884184bb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 16:20.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Safeguard if modem replies to +CGM{L,R} with unsolicited messages |
| 16:20.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This will prevent Tracebacks like in |
| 16:20.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/314, but the underlying actual |
| 16:20.37 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: problem should still be fixed. |
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| 16:21.55 | Dave | terve |
| 16:22.32 | soul9 | what is SHR and fso? |
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| 16:22.52 | root_at | images, distributions for the freerunner |
| 16:23.05 | soul9 | where can i find out more? |
| 16:23.34 | root_at | wiki.openmoko.org |
| 16:23.53 | soul9 | k |
| 16:25.02 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2c47aa00f530 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Make RegisterWithProvider charset aware |
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| 16:29.26 | Dave | Tanuva :o |
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| 16:33.59 | cnwdup | Is there any updated documentation about the Keyboard being used by OmImage 2008.12? |
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| 16:35.20 | root_at | what do i need to do to get ssh connection to my freerunner with shr? worked well with om, but now shr gets no connection |
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| 17:18.16 | master_void | hello, i have a problem. i use moko makefile an i have compiled "make image". also i use bitbake but when i try "bitbake fso-image" then "ERROR: Unable to open config/bitbake.conf" but i have the config file. |
| 17:19.02 | cnwdup | Ok, having made slight progress: Where can I get edje_cc for OmImage2008.12? |
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| 17:24.49 | quatrox | apt: punch Dave |
| 17:24.50 | apt | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Dave right on the nose |
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| 17:44.22 | Gnutoo | hello, I can't ssh to 2008.12 even if I can ping it...is it normal? |
| 17:47.45 | rob79 | boot a second time and flash the right kernel :) |
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| 17:49.18 | Gnutoo | rob79, the kernel is the one for gta02 |
| 17:49.24 | Gnutoo | but i'll boot a second time |
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| 17:56.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, does anyone know of a good GUI text file reader? |
| 17:57.13 | Digital_Pioneer | One that's easy and finger-friendly for browsing the FS for files? |
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| 17:58.10 | Gnutoo | rob79, i'll try with my desktop computer |
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| 18:02.13 | Gnutoo | rob79, seems that 192.168.0.202 is my computer but I did a ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 and ifconfig doesn't give any anormal thing |
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| 18:04.48 | rob79 | any route ? |
| 18:04.52 | rob79 | /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 |
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| 18:30.22 | brian__ | pxa chip kicks samsungs ass |
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| 18:34.31 | brian__ | that 0111 simage didnt boot |
| 18:34.39 | brian__ | shr |
| 18:37.50 | Gnutoo | hello,while installing debian under 2008.12 I have: waiting for partitions to appear,E: partitioning has failled, partitions have not been created |
| 18:37.58 | Gnutoo | but the SD-card worked fine before |
| 18:38.12 | Gnutoo | I even installed debian on it when I didn't have QI |
| 18:38.30 | lindi- | Gnutoo: can check why it fails? |
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| 18:38.47 | Gnutoo | what could be the cause? |
| 18:38.53 | Gnutoo | should I do dmesg? |
| 18:39.03 | lindi- | Gnutoo: check what the script does |
| 18:39.25 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 18:39.29 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot |
| 18:40.03 | lindi- | echo " * Waiting for partitions to appear" |
| 18:40.04 | lindi- | SLEEP_SECONDS=3 |
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| 18:40.34 | lindi- | Gnutoo: does fdisk show the partitions? |
| 18:41.25 | bernt | perhaps first unmounting the SD-Card (before starting install) |
| 18:41.38 | Gnutoo | it doesn't |
| 18:42.00 | lindi- | Gnutoo: run fdisk manually then |
| 18:42.15 | lindi- | Gnutoo: with the same input as the install.sh uses |
| 18:42.30 | Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot |
| 18:43.18 | Gnutoo | i've the partitions in /proc/partitions |
| 18:43.29 | Gnutoo | so I try to install a real fdisk |
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| 18:46.11 | lindi- | Gnutoo: real fdisk? |
| 18:46.26 | Gnutoo | not busybox's |
| 18:46.37 | lindi- | Gnutoo: busybox fdisk should be enough? |
| 18:46.51 | Gnutoo | yes but it doesn't work |
| 18:46.57 | lindi- | Gnutoo: then it should be fixed :) |
| 18:47.13 | lindi- | Gnutoo: how does it fail? |
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| 18:47.19 | Gnutoo | i've got a fdisk that works now |
| 18:47.27 | Gnutoo | util-linux-fdisk |
| 18:47.36 | Gnutoo | it doesn't print anything |
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| 18:49.53 | Gnutoo | now it says that the kernel still uses the old table...mabe I should flash 2008.9 or 2008.8 for installing debian |
| 18:50.59 | lindi- | Gnutoo: huh? |
| 18:51.05 | lindi- | Gnutoo: is anything using the SD card? |
| 18:51.13 | brian__ | umount /media |
| 18:51.20 | brian__ | blabla |
| 18:51.32 | Gnutoo | I don't think so I /etc/init.d/xserver-no-dm stop |
| 18:51.51 | Gnutoo | ah I understand |
| 18:51.56 | bernt | Gnutoo: try to reboot the fr |
| 18:51.59 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 18:52.03 | lindi- | Gnutoo: lsof |
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| 18:52.06 | Gnutoo | yes |
| 18:52.15 | Gnutoo | because it's mounted on /media/card |
| 18:52.21 | Gnutoo | so mabe something is accessing it |
| 18:52.49 | bernt | Gnutoo: this is why the install script failed ;-) |
| 18:53.20 | johnsu01 | looks for the source code for the simple aux button screen lock |
| 18:53.27 | brian__ | yea i havent installed debian because of this |
| 18:53.49 | bernt | nearly each distribution (not debian) mounts the sd card to /media/card ... |
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| 18:55.10 | bernt | so first unmount /media/card, then run fdisk or install. |
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| 18:55.16 | lindi- | Gnutoo: you tried to change the partition layout while having one partition mounted?! |
| 18:55.28 | Gnutoo | I unmounted first |
| 18:56.45 | Gnutoo | i'll retry after eating |
| 18:56.55 | bernt | good luck :-) |
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| 18:59.55 | quatrox | brian__: now I know why the image I compiled is so big |
| 19:00.31 | quatrox | all packages where included by default |
| 19:01.05 | bernt | Has someone success with compiling valide on the fr? I get error: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mms-bitfields" |
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| 19:03.37 | bernt | (when doing cc: _build_/default/test/test.c -> _build_/default/test/test_1.o) |
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| 19:04.50 | rob79 | hmm mms on arm ? |
| 19:05.02 | bernt | and I don't know, whether I can remove this option. |
| 19:06.13 | bernt | rob79: I will give it a try without this option ... |
| 19:06.36 | quatrox | bernt: if the code does not contain asm inlines, it should be safe to remove mms flag from the compiler options |
| 19:06.51 | quatrox | well |
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| 19:06.57 | quatrox | it is safe anyway |
| 19:08.03 | bernt | quatrox: and it is in a test dir ... therefor not the real program. |
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| 19:09.22 | quatrox | mms is only a flag to hint the compiler that it should optimize for mms capable cpu's |
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| 19:14.05 | bernt | now I get: default/libvalide/libvalide-0.0.so: undefined reference to `gtk_recent_data_destroy' |
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| 19:16.09 | bernt | I which library could this function be? |
| 19:17.31 | rob79 | gtk |
| 19:17.38 | rob79 | ^^ |
| 19:18.52 | bernt | I tried to search with google but nothing found. hm ... |
| 19:19.18 | bernt | and i searched only for the function name ... |
| 19:22.18 | bernt | same on my pc: not in /usr/include/* ... */*/*/*/* ... |
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| 19:24.18 | Gnutoo | lindi-, hi again...strangely while [ 1];do;lsof | grep mmcblk0 >> mmc.log;done gave me only fdisk accessing the partition |
| 19:27.32 | quatrox | Gnutoo: what is the problem? |
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| 19:28.05 | Gnutoo | quatrox, my micro-sd card is mounted automatically even when qpe is not present and X service is down |
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| 19:29.58 | Gnutoo | I killes nearly all process... |
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| 19:30.34 | Gnutoo | but partitions do not apear anymore...but it passes the previous test |
| 19:30.53 | lindi- | Gnutoo: what mounts it? |
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| 19:31.27 | Gnutoo | lindi-, don't know...lsof didn't return something interresting |
| 19:32.00 | lindi- | Gnutoo: cat /etc/fstab |
| 19:32.33 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot!!! |
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| 19:33.00 | Gnutoo | great idea!!! |
| 19:33.30 | quatrox | I assumed that was the first thing you checked:) |
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| 19:35.18 | Gnutoo | now it says the kernel still uses the old table |
| 19:35.54 | Gnutoo | quatrox, sorry i'm a little bit exausted... |
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| 19:37.25 | root_at | hi, is there any dhcp tool for the freerunner in opkg repo? |
| 19:37.40 | Gnutoo | root_at, which distro? |
| 19:37.46 | root_at | sht |
| 19:37.49 | root_at | shr* |
| 19:37.54 | Gnutoo | root_at,mabe you already have udhcpc |
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| 19:39.14 | root_at | yes, thanks |
| 19:39.32 | root_at | but its just sending discovers...looks bad : ( |
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| 19:42.21 | faltantornillos | hi there, is it any appointments application for shr? pls |
| 19:42.37 | Gnutoo | mmm...was udev |
| 19:43.05 | Gnutoo | it called a mount.sh script |
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| 19:47.24 | root_at | y cant i install something with "opkg install *" vor example midori |
| 19:47.41 | rob79 | ping www.openmoko.org works ? |
| 19:47.51 | root_at | i can ping google, and dhcp worked and this typical wlan symbol is here |
| 19:48.28 | rob79 | error msg ? |
| 19:49.08 | root_at | return value is -49936 // other ping works too |
| 19:50.20 | bernt | root_at: does opkg update work? |
| 19:50.54 | root_at | there is update and upgrade..i see, just tried upgrade, thought it would work then, now update |
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| 19:51.20 | rob79 | and midori is in opkg list ? |
| 19:51.38 | root_at | here he goes on with some links and "package list updatet" and i also read "signature check failed" or something like that |
| 19:52.25 | root_at | nice, he begun with a download after opkg install midori..thanks |
| 19:53.22 | Sharwin_F | faltantornillos, try "fido" :) |
| 19:54.00 | faltantornillos | ook, thanks ;) |
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| 19:56.05 | pROFIL | When is GTA03 going out for sale? |
| 19:56.48 | henk | hi pROFIL |
| 19:57.05 | Gnutoo | I'll install another distro |
| 19:57.32 | SpeedEvil | pROFIL: at least 6 months. |
| 19:57.38 | SpeedEvil | pROFIL: a year wouldn't surprise. |
| 19:57.55 | SpeedEvil | (IMO, I am not an official representative of the cabal.) |
| 19:58.04 | pROFIL | SpeedEvil: Okay, the neo freerunner is GTA 02 huh? |
| 19:58.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:59.18 | pROFIL | alright :) |
| 19:59.55 | pROFIL | I'm thinking about to get a freerunner, but should I wait for the GTA 03 or buy the GTA 02 right now? |
| 20:00.11 | rob79 | hmm software is the same ^^ |
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| 20:00.28 | faltantornillos | Sharwin_F, sorry but I meant something that supports iCalendar, otherwise I'll have to manually introduce all my appointments on it |
| 20:01.25 | root_at | should there stand anywhere how far he is with the download? |
| 20:01.25 | Sharwin_F | faltantornillos, then no idea :P |
| 20:01.25 | Sharwin_F | faltantornillos, but if you find something, tell me haha |
| 20:01.25 | pROFIL | rob79: Yes and the software can be changed, but the hardware can't. |
| 20:01.25 | root_at | in opkg |
| 20:01.36 | SpeedEvil | pROFIL: you've not heard of ebay then? :) |
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| 20:03.05 | rob79 | the gta02 hardware is ok |
| 20:03.06 | pROFIL | SpeedEvil: Haha, but I mean, that if I buy it now, I can change the software as it comes new updates and so on. But if the hardware changes I can't change it as easy. Not so fun to buy a new one so close, I'm a student and not made by money xD |
| 20:03.28 | SpeedEvil | Sure you are! |
| 20:03.35 | frankS2 | anyone know any ETA on gta03? |
| 20:03.50 | SpeedEvil | points pROFIL to a place to sell vacuum dried corpse slice futures. |
| 20:03.52 | henk | 'sigh' |
| 20:04.20 | jokerfox | I copied Norweigian.kbd to Default.kbd in Om2008.12, and change the default enlightenment from asu to illume , and illume crashes all the time. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:05.11 | SpeedEvil | frankS2: there isn't any hard news. There hasn't even been a release of final hardware specs AIUI. |
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| 20:05.30 | frankS2 | ok |
| 20:05.33 | frankS2 | what about software? |
| 20:05.39 | pROFIL | SpeedEvil: I think it's kinda expensive if I compare with my new computer. And in that way, my computer is really a computer but freerunner is "only" a smartphone. |
| 20:07.03 | pROFIL | So bad that the dollar/euro have so high value now, I want it to go down a little bit and then I buy the freerunner :D |
| 20:07.04 | quatrox | pROFILE: freerunner is a MID |
| 20:07.19 | kd8ikt | ps ax |
| 20:07.29 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|away: no it's not |
| 20:07.59 | SpeedEvil | quatrox|away: it'd be a MID if the software stack worked properly. |
| 20:08.27 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: ok. Then hurry up;) |
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| 20:11.17 | pROFIL | I really, really like the freerunner :D I want one right now! |
| 20:12.24 | undrwater2 | MID? |
| 20:12.55 | quatrox | Mobile Internet Device |
| 20:13.03 | undrwater2 | ahh thanks |
| 20:13.24 | quatrox | it is between smart phone and laptop |
| 20:14.50 | undrwater2 | just bought an eee pc...like that? |
| 20:16.56 | quatrox | pROFIL: undrwater2: eee pc is somewhere between a laptop and a mid |
| 20:17.05 | quatrox | depends who you ask |
| 20:17.23 | quatrox | UMPC |
| 20:17.32 | quatrox | but intel call it MID |
| 20:17.50 | quatrox | UM = Ultra Mobile |
| 20:18.40 | quatrox | well |
| 20:18.40 | quatrox | I am not sure about the terms |
| 20:18.49 | pROFIL | Yeah, but I would prefer freerunner over a eee pc :) |
| 20:19.11 | quatrox | pROFIL: I use my fr now |
| 20:19.15 | quatrox | with pidgin |
| 20:19.22 | quatrox | and BT keyboard |
| 20:19.27 | quatrox | :) |
| 20:19.30 | quatrox | and GPRS |
| 20:20.05 | pROFIL | NICE :D |
| 20:20.16 | pROFIL | GPRS so not wifi? |
| 20:20.26 | quatrox | I am not home |
| 20:20.44 | quatrox | If I was home, I would use my computer |
| 20:20.50 | undrwater2 | quatrox: which image? |
| 20:21.06 | quatrox | SHR |
| 20:21.34 | Gnutoo | works on shr-unstable!!! |
| 20:21.48 | Gnutoo | nano /etc/fstab -> comment the mmc line |
| 20:21.57 | Gnutoo | killall udevd |
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| 20:22.47 | pROFIL | If I buy a FR i will stop using my computer :D |
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| 20:22.47 | Gnutoo | nano /etc/udev/mount.blacklist -> add /dev/mmcblk0* |
| 20:22.56 | Gnutoo | udev --debug |
| 20:23.07 | Gnutoo | umount if necessary |
| 20:23.11 | Gnutoo | and then it worked |
| 20:23.12 | Gnutoo | !!! |
| 20:23.18 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot |
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| 20:27.50 | Gnutoo | pROFIL, don't know if it's a mid...does it run openoffice and firefox(was unusable last time I tried because of the certificates...) |
| 20:28.40 | Gnutoo | last time I tried openoffice in the freerunner It had some illegal instruction because it was compiled for a target > armv4t...because that was hardcoded in its build system |
| 20:28.51 | root_at | is there any other browser for shr? midori breaks down with a segmantation fault o.O |
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| 20:29.11 | Gnutoo | but now the bugreport has been closed |
| 20:29.18 | pROFIL | Gnutoo: okay :) |
| 20:29.20 | Gnutoo | so it may have been pushed into debian |
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| 20:29.29 | Gnutoo | but I wonder how usable it is |
| 20:29.56 | Gnutoo | although I ran abiword without problems...you just have to rotate the screen |
| 20:30.02 | Gnutoo | root_at, dillo |
| 20:30.19 | Gnutoo | root_at, I must look at why it segfault when I'll have time |
| 20:30.45 | Gnutoo | root_at, I tried to cross-compile the lastest midori but it failled...didn't have time to look further |
| 20:30.53 | root_at | its because of an icon |
| 20:32.01 | root_at | better say, the segfault comes after a fail to load an icon...every time i call up any site |
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| 20:34.53 | Gnutoo | root_at, ah ok the favicon |
| 20:35.02 | Gnutoo | or something like that |
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| 20:40.09 | root_at | i am not sure about that...i dont think it was the favicon..should i try it? |
| 20:41.52 | Wonka | mh, why does otimed not correct my system time on acquiring gprs ppp connection or gps fix? |
| 20:42.51 | quatrox1 | try agpsui |
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| 20:44.03 | Wonka | what for? |
| 20:44.26 | quatrox1 | gps time sync |
| 20:45.09 | Wonka | gps works and has correct gpstime |
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| 20:45.22 | root_at | dillo seems to work much better :D thanks. the last error of midori before segfault ist because of the icon process working @ Gnutoo |
| 20:45.42 | Wonka | i see it in the logs |
| 20:45.48 | quatrox1 | dillo is fast |
| 20:46.13 | Gnutoo | root_at, ah ok...dillo doesn't have javascript but has a killer feature...it format the page to fit to the screen |
| 20:46.15 | root_at | but how can i add him to the home menu? he didnt do it by himself |
| 20:46.33 | root_at | its better than nothing for the moment |
| 20:46.33 | Wonka | dillo seems not to speak css |
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| 20:47.02 | quatrox1 | you must edit the desktop file |
| 20:47.40 | quatrox1 | vi ~/.e/etk/app..... |
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| 20:48.08 | quatrox1 | the type of application is wrong |
| 20:48.29 | buffoon | hi! i know that openmoko has put away mp3 support from the images... but isn't there a way to get it working easily or do i have to compile the gst-fluendo-mp3 by myself? |
| 20:48.52 | quatrox1 | Wonka: I can send you the file when i am home |
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| 20:49.55 | root_at | ~/.e/etk/ is empty : O |
| 20:49.56 | apt | okay, root_at |
| 20:49.57 | Wonka | i have modified dillo's .desktop myself, don't need it |
| 20:50.48 | Gnutoo | buffoon, just don't use an official image from openmoko |
| 20:51.00 | Gnutoo | buffoon, for instance in shr mplayer has mad support |
| 20:51.04 | Wonka | but thanks for the offer |
| 20:51.30 | Gnutoo | better launch dillo from console and install the real wget |
| 20:51.36 | quatrox1 | np |
| 20:51.42 | Gnutoo | so you can dowload files and monitor the progress in the console |
| 20:52.01 | buffoon | Gnutoo: well, I like to use om testing |
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| 20:52.40 | Gnutoo | buffoon, compiling kopete:4.1 for my desktop computer right now so I can't compile you the package sorry |
| 20:53.17 | buffoon | and i prefer ogg... i just would like to test some mp3 files on the sd of my dad because he has problems on his cellphone and i'm missing a cardreader... reflashing just for this case is a little bit too much work |
| 20:53.26 | root_at | how do u mean install the real wget Gnutoo ? what kind of wget is default for the freerunner? |
| 20:53.44 | buffoon | Gnutoo: thx anyway... i guess i'll give a try by myself compiling it |
| 20:53.44 | Gnutoo | root_at, busybox's wget is the default |
| 20:53.55 | Wonka | root_at: the wget applet in busybox |
| 20:54.14 | Wonka | damn gprs lag |
| 20:54.15 | buffoon | goddamn patents... |
| 20:54.29 | root_at | ahh ok..i might take a loot at this later |
| 20:54.44 | Gnutoo | by the way even with wget and running it from console it can't download "unrecognized file format" such as ipk...is there a trick to overcome this limitation? editing dillorc? |
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| 20:55.31 | Gnutoo | buffoon, do you know you can use the mokomakefile or oe to compile it? |
| 20:56.28 | buffoon | Gnutoo: yes, but i never compiled something for om... I'll read into that... np |
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| 20:57.38 | buffoon | sooner or later i guess i have to... i just hadn't that much time/motivation until now... |
| 20:59.01 | root_at | where should this desktop file be? if not at ~/.e/etk? |
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| 21:06.31 | quatrox|away | root_at: ~/.e/e/appshadow/ contains autogenerated symlinks |
| 21:07.42 | quatrox|away | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls .local/share/applications/ |
| 21:07.42 | quatrox|away | battery.desktop dillo.desktop openmoko-agpsui.desktop player.desktop |
| 21:08.02 | quatrox|away | that is the place for userdefined .desktop files |
| 21:08.39 | Bish | does anybody else having problems with wlan+wpa+shrimage? |
| 21:10.03 | quatrox | got his new bootable membership card:) |
| 21:13.09 | root_at | cant try it now...will search for it again tomorrow. need to study now, cu |
| 21:13.23 | root_at | thanks at all who helped me : ) |
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| 21:52.17 | quatrox | anyone using BT keyboard? |
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| 21:54.16 | quatrox | to connect it, I must first make sure /etc/init.d/bluetooth is running, then enable BT via FSO settings, then stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth, start the hidd server and finally connect with hidd |
| 21:54.23 | quatrox | kind of overkill |
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| 22:02.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer2: I've read the whole thread about softvol. Thanks for the interesting info. Alsa configs look easy when done by someone else :) |
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| 22:03.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer2: btw, could tantalum SMT caps be used for the bass fix? I know that electrolitic caps are often used to separate DC, so tantalum should be ok, shouldn't it? |
| 22:05.02 | quatrox | PaulFertser: it doesn't matter which kind of cap you use |
| 22:05.51 | quatrox | it only matters for high frequencies |
| 22:06.41 | quatrox | (50MHz and above) |
| 22:08.19 | PaulFertser | quatrox: I have the same impression, but Doc said yesterday to someone that he sends him caps good for buzz rework but not suitable for bass fix. Therefore i ask for details ;) BTW, do you by any chance, what's the smallest reasonable size i can get 100uF (is 50uF any smaller and is it enough?) in? |
| 22:09.41 | quatrox | no.. they are the same size |
| 22:09.49 | quatrox | 4 mm x 2 mm |
| 22:10.15 | quatrox | ohh |
| 22:10.16 | quatrox | sorry |
| 22:10.18 | quatrox | the cap |
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| 22:11.11 | quatrox | if you cut down to 50uF, you will change the low pass filter |
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| 22:12.10 | PaulFertser | And what's 4x2mm? |
| 22:12.27 | quatrox | sorry... I am sleepy... never mind |
| 22:12.37 | quatrox | the resistor is 4x2 |
| 22:12.47 | quatrox | the cap is much larger |
| 22:12.59 | PaulFertser | No, 0402 is 1x0.5 mm or smth like that. |
| 22:14.51 | quatrox | ahh.. |
| 22:14.52 | quatrox | true |
| 22:16.04 | quatrox | besides, 4mm is extremely large, so my normal logic can not work today |
| 22:17.55 | quatrox | btw, if you want to use a smaller cap, you must change the value of the resistor |
| 22:20.01 | PaulFertser | quatrox: I think Doc made some computations and came to conclusion that changing the caps to 100uF without changing resistors is ok. This filter was never correct anyway. I might be wrong though. |
| 22:20.52 | quatrox | on some GTA02v5 and all GTA06 the resistor is a 0R |
| 22:21.10 | quatrox | on other devices it is 2k2 |
| 22:21.32 | PaulFertser | quatrox: if you're talking about the buzz fix, then yes. If you're talking about the bass cut frequency for the headphones fix, then no. Go get some sleep ;) |
| 22:22.16 | quatrox | opps... was reading about the buzz fix now, so maybe that's why I mixed |
| 22:23.24 | quatrox | then the type of cap might have something to say |
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| 22:29.00 | badcloud | am I missing something? openmoko-agpsui picks up the gps signals just fine, but I'm not getting anything from tangogps |
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| 22:32.48 | quatrox|sleep | badcloud: when a client needs GPS, it requests it through dbus. Then the GPS is turned on. When there is no use for the GPS anymore, it will stop in order to save power |
| 22:33.32 | quatrox|sleep | maybe tangogps does not use the framework to request the gps? |
| 22:33.47 | quatrox|sleep | not sure |
| 22:34.00 | badcloud | I only have fso-gpsd installed |
| 22:34.04 | badcloud | or at least running |
| 22:34.25 | quatrox|sleep | hmm |
| 22:34.26 | Wonka | fso-gpsd does use the dbus interface and fso-gpsd does request GPS as soon as a client connects to it |
| 22:34.27 | quatrox|sleep | strange |
| 22:34.38 | quatrox|sleep | yes |
| 22:34.48 | Wonka | returning to my otimed problem from hours ago... |
| 22:34.51 | badcloud | I ran 'fso-gpsd start' |
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| 22:34.59 | badcloud | fired up tangogps, nothing |
| 22:35.02 | Wonka | haven't had time to look further into it for myself yet |
| 22:35.19 | badcloud | but openmoko-agpsui works fine (power on, etc) |
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| 22:35.30 | quatrox|sleep | yes |
| 22:36.45 | quatrox|sleep | is this related to the "The GPS has a lock but tangogps don't know" issue? |
| 22:36.54 | badcloud | could be, yes |
| 22:37.06 | quatrox|sleep | I read something about that in the mailing list last week |
| 22:37.12 | badcloud | ah |
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| 22:37.29 | Wonka | i am running current SHR unstable, my freerunner's clock is 30mins late, my freerunner has acquired several gps 3d fixes in between, my freerunner has gone online with ppp over gprs several times, my freerunner has had internet connection via USB several times - why doesn't otimed correct the clock via GPS or NTP? |
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| 22:38.02 | quatrox|sleep | not sure |
| 22:38.46 | quatrox|sleep | otimed should use ntp (same as rdate) |
| 22:39.21 | quatrox|sleep | I guess otimed tried the gps all the time since the gps was on |
| 22:39.31 | quatrox|sleep | in stead of just using ntp |
| 22:40.22 | Wonka | GPS time was 30mins away from clock time |
| 22:40.31 | Wonka | not 60mins as would be normal |
| 22:41.17 | quatrox|sleep | root@om-gta02 ~ $ date; rdate -s ntp.uio.no; hwclock --systohc; date |
| 22:41.17 | quatrox|sleep | Mon Jan 12 23:39:00 CET 2009 |
| 22:41.17 | quatrox|sleep | rdate: bad address 'ntp.uio.no' |
| 22:41.17 | quatrox|sleep | Mon Jan 12 23:39:01 CET 2009 |
| 22:41.32 | quatrox|sleep | my time only drifted 1 sec in 5 days:) |
| 22:41.37 | quatrox|sleep | weeee |
| 22:41.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wonka, is it in the correct timezone? |
| 22:42.06 | quatrox|sleep | ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 22:42.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | quatrox|sleep, er, the time increased one second while you ran that command string |
| 22:42.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | rdate: bad address 'ntp.uio.no' <- important :) |
| 22:42.55 | quatrox|sleep | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe |
| 22:43.32 | badcloud | how are the other gps apps available? |
| 22:44.56 | Wonka | Kamping_Kaiser: yes: /etc/localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin |
| 22:44.59 | badcloud | other than tango, I mean |
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| 22:46.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | badcloud, yes (including navit iirc). dont recall what they are called though |
| 22:46.50 | badcloud | oh. my question was *how* are some of the other apps? |
| 22:46.56 | badcloud | good, bad, etc |
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| 22:48.17 | AntonTakk | badcloud: i have personally never bothered with anything but tango :) |
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| 22:48.36 | badcloud | well, maybe it will be resolved in later releases |
| 22:49.00 | badcloud | gps isn't really a necessity for me now |
| 22:50.47 | AntonTakk | not sure how many people bought their gta01 or gta02 out of "necesesity", but i'm sure the number is low :) |
| 22:51.11 | badcloud | well, yeah |
| 22:51.22 | badcloud | but in my case, I meant gps, not the phone itselfc |
| 22:53.01 | badcloud | anyhoo, thanks for the 2 cents |
| 22:53.03 | badcloud | night all |
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| 23:40.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: (tantalum C) basically: yes, can be used. read about iPhone fix for audio though (google: iphone "blackgate") for considerations about audio decoupling C and impact on audio quality |
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| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: for smallest C-value: depends on your expectations. probably most people would be fine with 22uF even. lower cutof freq is easily calculated by size of C and (impedance_hs + series-R) |
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| 23:50.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highpass |
| 23:50.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: 1/2Pi R C |
| 23:55.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFertser: google imod blackgate |