| 00:01.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: sexy-tant |
| 00:01.21 | jc | whats that ? |
| 00:01.35 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextant |
| 00:01.36 | jc | planning a camera for the gta03 ? |
| 00:01.47 | SpeedEvil | A sextant is an instrument generally used to measure the altitude of a celestial object above the horizon. Making this measurement is known as sighting the object, shooting the object, or taking a sight. The angle, and the time when it was measured, can be used to calculate a position line on a nautical or aeronautical chart |
| 00:02.14 | jc | oh, I thought it was something dirty |
| 00:02.15 | frankS2 | wee, i just ordered my neorunner =D |
| 00:02.45 | SpeedEvil | I ordered a freerunner for christmas. |
| 00:02.49 | jc | you can measure altitude without gps? :P |
| 00:02.55 | frankS2 | jc: yes |
| 00:02.56 | frankS2 | ofcurse |
| 00:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, when the box turned up, it was just a frenchman in lycra, with strange shoes. |
| 00:03.08 | jc | .. on freerunner |
| 00:03.14 | SpeedEvil | jc: no |
| 00:03.25 | SpeedEvil | jc: well - yes |
| 00:03.41 | jc | without external stuff... |
| 00:03.46 | jc | in usb and so on |
| 00:03.49 | SpeedEvil | jc: but the altitude resolution is some 60Km |
| 00:03.58 | SpeedEvil | Which may not be very useful. |
| 00:03.59 | jc | oh, kinda unusable for aircraft |
| 00:04.36 | jc | it would be so cool to use a fr as autonomous flying drone controller |
| 00:04.44 | SpeedEvil | You can already |
| 00:04.49 | SpeedEvil | It has GPS and accels |
| 00:05.00 | SpeedEvil | all you need is to feed them into a kalman filter, and you're ready to go. |
| 00:05.01 | jc | you just need some external stuff |
| 00:05.10 | jc | like altimeter, radios, transponder, ... |
| 00:05.15 | jc | and of course, the aircraft |
| 00:05.23 | jc | that would be the harder part.. a bit :D |
| 00:05.29 | SpeedEvil | diydrones.com |
| 00:06.11 | jc | gsm controlled autonomous hovercraft |
| 00:06.22 | jc | 'fly to that beautiful girls over there bathroom window' |
| 00:06.26 | jc | 'start stream' |
| 00:07.00 | jc | or maybe record to onboard hdd |
| 00:07.25 | RzR | any updates on nokia770 since http://markmail.org/message/6zgsxu4h6swuwgdt ? |
| 00:07.27 | SpeedEvil | Also - http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml |
| 00:08.03 | SpeedEvil | $5000 cruise missile |
| 00:08.04 | jc | hehe those diydrones.com are actually making theyr own autopilots |
| 00:08.05 | jc | cool |
| 00:08.12 | jc | what for? ;) |
| 00:08.23 | SpeedEvil | demo purposes. |
| 00:08.31 | SpeedEvil | Largely that technology control is a futile thing |
| 00:08.38 | jc | missile is too much disposable.. |
| 00:08.42 | SpeedEvil | keeping 80 year old tech bottled up. |
| 00:09.11 | jc | they tend to fly into things and explode which isn't cool for long service life |
| 00:10.12 | jc | yeah, I'd stick with mastering the neo first and then tackle avionics ;) |
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| 01:19.32 | aevin | what's up with wiki.openmoko.org ? anyone else but me that gets an assertion error when trying to access any page on the wiki? |
| 01:19.58 | aevin | ah, sorry. it's my ffx. i just upgraded it, but didn't restart it. |
| 01:20.05 | aevin | xulrunner. |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0e2e6a232695 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/modem.py): |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fail gracefully if the serial device doesn't exist yet |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: Thinkpad WWAN cards can be enabled through a /sys file. It takes some |
| 01:21.05 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: time from enabling the device to the device nodes actually appearing. |
| 01:21.06 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: This makes the VirtualChannel fail gracefully when the device does not |
| 01:21.08 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: exist so it will retry. Also increased the channel open retries from 5 |
| 01:21.10 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: to 7. |
| 01:21.12 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r19c1b94e79d3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ericsson_F3507g/modem.py: ogsmd: [ERICSSON] Use enable_wwan node found in thinkpad devices |
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| 01:51.31 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, so whenever my SIM card gets here... How do I change my ringtone? |
| 01:51.58 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I mute the phone without exposure? |
| 01:52.09 | Digital_Pioneer | I use SHR BTW. |
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| 01:55.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Illume's mixer doesn't work... I can't mute PCM. |
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| 02:03.11 | cjb | hey, is Android usable-as-a-phone yet, or is that asking way too much? |
| 02:04.53 | KenYoung | cjb, You can make phone calls with it, if that's what you mean. |
| 02:05.09 | Digital_Pioneer | Does it do any fun stuff? :P |
| 02:05.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Does the voice recognition engine work? |
| 02:05.44 | cjb | KenYoung: neat. how about suspend/resume? |
| 02:06.17 | KenYoung | cjb, I think that is still messed up on Android. |
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| 02:38.11 | mrgarlic | so when one enters the installer for the fist time after booting ...... it looks for the network and if it doesn |
| 02:38.21 | mrgarlic | t find it it bring up message |
| 02:38.42 | mrgarlic | when entering again it doesn't do that ..... does that mean that it is not looking for the network again? |
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| 03:14.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Are there any good calculators that will run on the FR? |
| 03:15.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I got no use for that thing that came preinstalled. A calculator must be at least scientific. :P |
| 03:29.46 | Slaxxer | look under applications |
| 03:30.46 | Slaxxer | the people at fdom going to do something with 2008.12 ? |
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| 04:08.26 | Slaxxer | wow the "flashing the nor" page is either very new or it just sucks i dont know which |
| 04:16.11 | Digital_Pioneer | System reports /dev/dsp as busy, but fuser and lsof don't see it as open. What's the problem here? |
| 04:17.10 | mwester | flashing the nor? |
| 04:18.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Why would you flash the NOR?? |
| 04:26.10 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, I just rebooted the freaking thing and /dev/dsp is STILL in use! What the heck, guys? |
| 04:29.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Might have found it. |
| 04:32.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup, it's the TTS app I installed. Didn't work anyways. |
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| 04:35.28 | sybesis | hi guyz |
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| 04:36.09 | Slaxxer | i was just saying the wiki needs work |
| 04:37.26 | sybesis | hey my cellphone just broke today |
| 04:37.58 | sybesis | i was wondering if openmoko was stable enough to be used like a cellphone |
| 04:38.16 | Slaxxer | in the directions there are links that go nowhere so if these instructions are incorrect all of it needs to be edited an not just the links bronen |
| 04:38.32 | Slaxxer | yes it is |
| 04:38.56 | Slaxxer | unless u complain alot then in your case it isnt |
| 04:39.13 | sybesis | if i can receive and call people |
| 04:39.18 | Slaxxer | yup |
| 04:39.19 | sybesis | or receive and send text message |
| 04:39.26 | Slaxxer | well maybe |
| 04:39.31 | Slaxxer | i ccant sms |
| 04:40.12 | Slaxxer | i used 2008.12 an it needs some attention |
| 04:40.20 | sybesis | i see |
| 04:40.59 | Slaxxer | i had debian working great on sdcard but that really messes up your storage card for now |
| 04:41.11 | sybesis | i see |
| 04:41.22 | Slaxxer | shr i use every day with minor problems |
| 04:41.44 | sybesis | any idea how i can know if my gsm card will work? |
| 04:42.06 | Slaxxer | check the wiki |
| 04:42.20 | Slaxxer | sim card incompat. |
| 04:43.15 | sybesis | i use fido so i guess it will work |
| 04:43.27 | sybesis | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers |
| 04:43.46 | Slaxxer | i guess u know qtopia works |
| 04:43.53 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.03 | Slaxxer | ha |
| 04:44.28 | Slaxxer | my brain is untested so beware |
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| 04:45.13 | sybesis | but cool, if i can force my parents to help me pay a openmoko it will be awesome |
| 04:45.46 | Slaxxer | i thought for a moment u had a 1973 |
| 04:47.45 | sybesis | no, i had a old erricson z520a |
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| 04:48.15 | sybesis | but i always wanted a openmoko just that i couldnt spend money on a phone while i had a working one |
| 04:48.24 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: The Freerunner is truly awesome. :) |
| 04:48.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Got mine for $250 on eBay... Still pretty steep, but better than new. |
| 04:49.08 | sybesis | i'll buy mine from Koolu |
| 04:49.19 | sybesis | i'm not trusting ebay much |
| 04:49.33 | sybesis | http://shop.koolu.com/ |
| 04:49.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh, fair enough. I don't care for it much either, but it was less than $300... |
| 04:49.59 | sybesis | heh |
| 04:50.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Huh. Koolu is only $300 now, ehh? |
| 04:50.08 | sybesis | does sms works for you |
| 04:50.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Was $400 before. |
| 04:50.20 | Digital_Pioneer | I haven't gotten my SIM card yet. :P |
| 04:50.26 | sybesis | :o |
| 04:50.27 | Digital_Pioneer | And when I do, it won't have text. |
| 04:50.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Just calling. |
| 04:50.44 | Slaxxer | get a free freerunner at koolu |
| 04:50.55 | sybesis | hopefully text will come soon? |
| 04:51.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I would love texting, but after buying the FR, I'm cheap. :P |
| 04:51.14 | sybesis | any idea if people got them to work or partially work |
| 04:51.19 | Slaxxer | maybe thats my problem |
| 04:51.26 | Slaxxer | i bet it is |
| 04:51.32 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: Text should work on some distros. |
| 04:51.37 | Digital_Pioneer | I've heard people can do it. |
| 04:52.17 | sybesis | if some people got it to work then....i'll probably get it to work too |
| 04:52.52 | Slaxxer | i recieve the headers of text but no message and the sender is an obscure character |
| 04:53.11 | rooly | qtopia 4.3.2 is plenty good enough as a phone |
| 04:53.16 | sybesis | i see |
| 04:53.41 | rooly | even tho it reliably crashes in some instances, and doesn't always go to sleep |
| 04:53.58 | sybesis | more than winCe? |
| 04:54.37 | rooly | well seeing as i only used wince for about a month before my htc hermes decided to up and die, i don't know |
| 04:55.10 | sybesis | i have some friend who tell me that their phone crash at least 3 time a week or more |
| 04:55.36 | rooly | well then it depends on what you do then |
| 04:56.03 | sybesis | normal use |
| 04:56.19 | sybesis | like their phone crashed for no real reason |
| 04:56.22 | Slaxxer | 4.3.2 is the very latest or the one that was before QTX rooly? |
| 04:56.24 | rooly | normal use constitutes quite alot for a FOSS smart phone |
| 04:56.37 | sybesis | i mean normal use for a phone |
| 04:56.43 | rooly | Slaxxer, 4.3.2 is what asu's stack is telephony stack is based on |
| 04:56.57 | rooly | 4.3.2, 4.3.3, 4.4.0, 4.4.1, 4.4.2 |
| 04:57.09 | rooly | qte is 4.4.x |
| 04:57.13 | rooly | qtopia is 4.3.x |
| 04:57.34 | sybesis | in fact, i just dont want it to randomly crash while i dont use it |
| 04:57.47 | rooly | sybesis, well...PIM is pretty reliable, as well as media playback |
| 04:58.06 | rooly | simply put, telephony and file handling are pretty good |
| 04:58.08 | sybesis | but it wont crash the phone completely |
| 04:58.32 | sybesis | i mean my friend while it crashed he couldnt receive call |
| 04:58.44 | rooly | and bluetooth works for the most part...doesn't seem to play well with windows tho |
| 04:58.50 | sybesis | lol |
| 04:59.33 | sybesis | but it wont crash randomly if i keep it in my pocket idle |
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| 04:59.55 | sybesis | and by crash i mean having to reboot |
| 05:00.01 | sybesis | which would surprise me |
| 05:00.29 | rooly | except for the odd failure to resume every couple weeks that i get, or the battery running dry, no |
| 05:00.38 | rooly | idle, its quite fine |
| 05:00.41 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: My SHR is very stable, unless I do something to break it like install weird software. |
| 05:00.52 | Digital_Pioneer | (SHR == Stable Hybrid Release) |
| 05:00.54 | sybesis | thats it :) |
| 05:01.02 | rooly | qte has working internet and gprs tho |
| 05:01.13 | rooly | however it is unreliable in many more aspects |
| 05:01.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Now, the programs, they may do their own thing.... |
| 05:01.20 | Digital_Pioneer | But usually they work too. |
| 05:01.30 | sybesis | cool |
| 05:02.24 | Digital_Pioneer | I love the genius of this thing, too... It can be suspended (shut down, CPU turned off), and it'll wake itself up if a call comes in, or if the alarm clock goes off.... |
| 05:02.29 | sybesis | but i guess that when a software crash...it doesnt crash the whole phone right? except if it mess the speaker/micro |
| 05:02.40 | sybesis | :o |
| 05:02.54 | Digital_Pioneer | BTW, could one implement shake-to-wake with the current hardware? |
| 05:03.11 | rooly | probably not, Digital_Pioneer. |
| 05:03.16 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: Yeah, a software crash just displays a screen. |
| 05:03.17 | sybesis | not if its idle |
| 05:03.30 | Digital_Pioneer | You hit OK and go on your merry way. :) |
| 05:03.39 | sybesis | thats fine then |
| 05:03.47 | sybesis | because wince just completely crash |
| 05:03.57 | sybesis | my friend need to remove the battery |
| 05:04.05 | Digital_Pioneer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.08 | sybesis | and then restart the phone |
| 05:04.19 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: win* sucks. That's a cardinal law. |
| 05:04.19 | sybesis | cmos? |
| 05:04.40 | sybesis | i admit alarm clock is weird |
| 05:04.41 | rooly | Digital_Pioneer, the accell's are more of a polled device, the clock emits an interupt |
| 05:04.52 | Digital_Pioneer | So how do you use accelerometers anyways? Programmatically? |
| 05:05.11 | Slaxxer | rooly my google must be broke qtopia-4.3.2-gta02-rootfs-release-08280107.jffs2 |
| 05:05.11 | sybesis | the software will get the value from a char device? |
| 05:05.12 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: I realize, but if the clock runs on the CPU, how can it generate the interrupt? |
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| 05:05.19 | Digital_Pioneer | It would seem that it does not. |
| 05:05.24 | Slaxxer | link me please? |
| 05:05.45 | Digital_Pioneer | So where is the alarm clock running at when the phone is shut down? |
| 05:05.52 | Digital_Pioneer | (suspended, that is) |
| 05:05.56 | rooly | Digital_Pioneer, the clock runs by itself, separate from the cpu |
| 05:06.06 | sybesis | its like normal computer |
| 05:06.06 | rooly | just like your computer when its unpowered |
| 05:06.17 | sybesis | exactly |
| 05:06.19 | Digital_Pioneer | So the hardware clock has an alarm clock builtin to it? |
| 05:06.22 | sybesis | its the cmos if im right |
| 05:06.34 | sybesis | on phone apparently yes |
| 05:06.41 | sybesis | or there is a wakeup alarm |
| 05:06.42 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 05:06.44 | rooly | Digital_Pioneer, no. it has a programmable interupt |
| 05:06.46 | sybesis | like laptop |
| 05:07.02 | rooly | quite different |
| 05:07.06 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: So why can't I write a program to use that interrupt for shake? |
| 05:07.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Or is that specifically tied to the clock device? |
| 05:07.46 | rooly | like i said, the clock has a programmable interupt |
| 05:07.52 | Digital_Pioneer | OK. |
| 05:08.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, it's an idea for GTA03 then. :) |
| 05:09.10 | Digital_Pioneer | So back to my original question: how do I program for accelerometers? |
| 05:09.24 | sybesis | probably char device? |
| 05:09.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Note that I'm not a _good_ programmer. I'm a complete amateur, still taking classes, but I can write simple scripts/programs. |
| 05:10.15 | sybesis | if its a char device you can open it like a file |
| 05:10.28 | rooly | the only way you'll be able to have the accels wake up the phone is if A, its turned on and B, the kernel is constantly polling them internally |
| 05:10.39 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: Well, I'm going to have to open /dev/input/event(2 or 3) but IDK what to read from them. |
| 05:10.56 | rooly | Digital_Pioneer, there's a c-struct available on the wiki |
| 05:11.00 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: How could the kernel be polling them if the CPU is off? |
| 05:11.10 | sybesis | it wont be |
| 05:11.17 | rooly | suspended and off are different |
| 05:13.39 | Digital_Pioneer | I was under the impression that in suspension the CPU was shut down. |
| 05:13.46 | rooly | no |
| 05:13.55 | rooly | its just put into super-duper-low-power mode |
| 05:14.46 | frankS2 | is there any good imap mail clients for openmoko? |
| 05:14.54 | frankS2 | (i just purchased mine, getting it in a week ) |
| 05:15.21 | rooly | frankS2, the qtopia mail/message client will handle imap easily |
| 05:16.21 | frankS2 | rooly: ok, is it possible to make the phone check for new mails perodiacely? for example each hour? |
| 05:16.27 | frankS2 | and tell me when i gets a new mail |
| 05:16.44 | rooly | frankS2, its all in the options |
| 05:17.15 | frankS2 | nice |
| 05:18.19 | Slaxxer | rooly so where is this 4.3.2 qtopia located at? |
| 05:18.55 | frankS2 | you know if openmoko has any .xls readers? |
| 05:18.59 | rooly | qtopia.net |
| 05:19.07 | rooly | .xls, whas dat |
| 05:19.10 | frankS2 | i get alot of spreadsheets through mail |
| 05:19.44 | frankS2 | rooly: microsofts excel |
| 05:19.58 | rooly | no, probably not, frankS2 |
| 05:20.09 | rooly | however, i've heard stories of OO.o on the Fr |
| 05:20.24 | frankS2 | Fr? |
| 05:20.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, now I just have to figure out how to make the stupid accelerometers work when the phone is MOVING. |
| 05:20.38 | rooly | FreeRunner |
| 05:20.59 | rooly | the accells work plenty fine, Digital_Pioneer. |
| 05:21.08 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: Mine don't. :\ |
| 05:21.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Some kernel bug I think. |
| 05:21.17 | rooly | hexdumped 'em? |
| 05:21.20 | Digital_Pioneer | They only send data when the phone is still. |
| 05:21.22 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah. |
| 05:21.50 | Digital_Pioneer | When you move the phone, they stop sending info. There was a bug about it, but it got closed. I guess THEY got it fixed... :P |
| 05:22.06 | rooly | updated your kernel lately? |
| 05:22.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it's SHR latest. |
| 05:22.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Up-to-date enough to have the use-battery-after-finish-charging fix. |
| 05:26.01 | frankS2 | OO.o on freerunner would be maaaaaaaaaaaaad slow :p |
| 05:26.05 | frankS2 | java |
| 05:26.17 | Digital_Pioneer | rooly: I have this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2145 |
| 05:26.31 | Digital_Pioneer | frankS2: Yeah, that sounds pretty nasty... |
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| 05:28.03 | frankS2 | a commandline .xls > OO.o -file converter would be nice |
| 05:28.22 | frankS2 | or i dunno if openmoko could read that either |
| 05:28.38 | Digital_Pioneer | frankS2: Yeah, don't you love MS and their frickin proprietary crap? :P |
| 05:28.49 | frankS2 | :p |
| 05:29.39 | gurugentoo | so at the current rate it's going to take 8 hours to download 400MB of tiles in tangogps |
| 05:29.48 | sybesis | :o |
| 05:29.58 | sybesis | i will get a open moko |
| 05:30.00 | sybesis | :D |
| 05:30.46 | rooly | good for you |
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| 05:37.14 | sybesis | hmmm |
| 05:37.32 | sybesis | the freerunner has a sd and a microsd slot right? |
| 05:37.52 | Digital_Pioneer | sybesis: MicroSD, yes. SD, no. |
| 05:38.03 | sybesis | ah okay i tought i read SD |
| 05:38.05 | Digital_Pioneer | But it comes with a really awesome stylus! |
| 05:38.06 | sybesis | SD is huge |
| 05:38.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope. MicroSD, and you get a MicroSD->SD converter card too. |
| 05:38.38 | sybesis | ahhh thats it |
| 05:38.50 | Digital_Pioneer | But the FR only takes MSD. |
| 05:38.57 | sybesis | thats enough |
| 05:39.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup. |
| 05:39.15 | sybesis | but if it could take both i would put a huge microsd in both slot |
| 05:39.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 05:39.41 | Digital_Pioneer | I need to buy a nice massive MSD card. |
| 05:39.52 | Digital_Pioneer | At least 4GB, methinks. :) |
| 05:40.11 | Digital_Pioneer | I need some room to play! :P |
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| 06:55.14 | gecco | good morning |
| 06:56.20 | sybesis | good hmmm what |
| 06:56.25 | sybesis | its 2 am here |
| 06:56.38 | gecco | here is 8:00 am |
| 06:56.41 | gecco | :) |
| 06:57.23 | sybesis | which country? |
| 06:57.52 | sybesis | france? |
| 06:58.20 | gecco | italy |
| 06:58.26 | gecco | you? |
| 06:58.29 | cjb | sybesis: read the hostname :) |
| 06:58.42 | sybesis | canada |
| 06:58.46 | cjb | 11pm here in California, but I'm usually in Boston (2am) |
| 06:59.01 | sybesis | québec |
| 06:59.55 | sybesis | i'll probably request a OpenMoko to my parent for christmas...my phone broke today |
| 07:00.39 | cjb | that's mean, giving them three days to get it ;-) |
| 07:00.56 | sybesis | ahah i'll do an order online |
| 07:01.33 | sybesis | and i dont actually care not having it for christmas...if i can have it in a week it would be cool |
| 07:01.57 | sybesis | the only thing that still scare me is the status of text message |
| 07:02.12 | sybesis | i heard earlier people having problem with text messages |
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| 07:10.51 | daMaestro | i've not done too much "txt msgn" with the 2008.12 image |
| 07:11.02 | daMaestro | but with the 2008.9 image.. it was halfway decent |
| 07:11.24 | daMaestro | i could regularly get it to crash adding multiple recipients ... but it generally worked well |
| 07:12.15 | daMaestro | oh and 2008.9 would suspend while on a phone call of your suspend time triggered |
| 07:12.19 | daMaestro | that was not fun to find out |
| 07:13.12 | daMaestro | the 2008.12 image is a major step in the right direction |
| 07:13.30 | sybesis | i see |
| 07:13.37 | sybesis | i was actually reading this |
| 07:13.43 | sybesis | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openmokos-om20089-neo-freerunner |
| 07:14.22 | sybesis | is the battery life that low? |
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| 07:15.01 | daMaestro | yeah, that's pretty much it still |
| 07:15.12 | daMaestro | i've had it last a full day in suspend mode with minor usage |
| 07:15.25 | sybesis | i see |
| 07:15.56 | sybesis | thats kind of bad compared to my dead cellphone that could last for a week without being used |
| 07:16.29 | daMaestro | welcome to the 20th century |
| 07:16.59 | sybesis | but if its suspended most of the time it shouldnt consume a lot of power |
| 07:17.22 | daMaestro | afaik, the gsm modem is still on |
| 07:17.46 | daMaestro | (read: the device will come out of suspend when a call or txt arrives) |
| 07:17.55 | sybesis | yup |
| 07:18.17 | sybesis | but the gsm modem use that much power? |
| 07:18.28 | daMaestro | yes |
| 07:18.34 | sybesis | lol wow |
| 07:18.40 | daMaestro | you figure you have to talk to a tower that could be miles away... |
| 07:19.17 | sybesis | but anyway i could plug it in usb without problem |
| 07:19.24 | daMaestro | correct |
| 07:19.59 | sybesis | or i'll buy a second battery just in case |
| 07:20.04 | daMaestro | i have 3 |
| 07:20.09 | daMaestro | lol |
| 07:20.11 | sybesis | lol |
| 07:20.37 | sybesis | may be 3 then heh |
| 07:20.40 | daMaestro | you might look at the andriod dev device (or the g1 if you want the tmobile branded one) unless you are expecting to do development |
| 07:20.43 | daMaestro | it's a little more polished |
| 07:20.55 | sybesis | i expect to do some dev |
| 07:21.01 | daMaestro | i'm likely going to get one as a replacement to my blackberry pearl |
| 07:21.13 | daMaestro | and then continue to use the gta02 as my personal phone |
| 07:21.21 | sybesis | :) |
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| 07:22.01 | rooly | uses his gta02 for everything telephony |
| 07:22.27 | daMaestro | rooly, i've noticed that the gsm buzz is much, much better in 2008.12 |
| 07:22.51 | sybesis | also the guy of livejournal was complaining about audio quality |
| 07:22.57 | rooly | yeah, well i'm not gonna touch om200x until i see some dramatic improvement |
| 07:23.02 | sybesis | how bad is it? |
| 07:23.03 | rooly | like working networking |
| 07:23.17 | daMaestro | rooly, ? |
| 07:23.23 | daMaestro | rooly, what are you running? |
| 07:23.28 | rooly | qtopia 4.3.2 |
| 07:23.31 | daMaestro | ah |
| 07:23.37 | daMaestro | does it do magic gprs? |
| 07:23.52 | rooly | no, but but gprs does work without a hitch |
| 07:24.05 | rooly | mind you, i haven't been able to convince networked apps to not crash |
| 07:24.13 | daMaestro | ah |
| 07:24.25 | rooly | but the fact that gprs works with no trouble is very comforting |
| 07:24.27 | daMaestro | i kinda just want to be able to read my blogs on something other then my pearl |
| 07:24.42 | sybesis | heh |
| 07:24.46 | rooly | i'm gonna use qte with its networked apps as soon as the things that make it unusable are fixed |
| 07:25.15 | daMaestro | qte? |
| 07:25.32 | daMaestro | tries to keep up on all the different images |
| 07:25.34 | rooly | qt extended |
| 07:25.36 | daMaestro | ah |
| 07:25.40 | sybesis | :o |
| 07:25.40 | rooly | its the current name for qtopia |
| 07:25.45 | rooly | 4.4.x |
| 07:25.48 | rooly | and later |
| 07:25.59 | sybesis | try to get informed :o |
| 07:26.17 | daMaestro | FDOM just made me mad |
| 07:26.31 | daMaestro | 2008.12 is nice.. much better then 2008.9, which i have been running for some time |
| 07:26.36 | rooly | i used fdom for a day |
| 07:26.42 | daMaestro | qtopia was the first image that i could actually make calls with |
| 07:26.45 | rooly | and then got tired of it cause it was borken |
| 07:27.01 | daMaestro | (back on my gta01) |
| 07:27.08 | rooly | is the settings app still broken? |
| 07:27.17 | daMaestro | what did you find broken? |
| 07:28.07 | rooly | hmm, bluetooth option is pointless, wifi doesn't work, gps is automatic anyway, not enough configurablity |
| 07:28.39 | daMaestro | pretty much the same then |
| 07:28.55 | rooly | ... |
| 07:29.06 | daMaestro | except wifi has been removed |
| 07:29.15 | daMaestro | bluetooth == on/off |
| 07:29.18 | daMaestro | same with gps |
| 07:29.27 | rooly | about all the settings app was good for was as a wifi detector |
| 07:29.41 | daMaestro | so it allows you to set: brightness, profile, and suspend settings |
| 07:29.49 | daMaestro | and then some other buttons to press |
| 07:30.08 | daMaestro | yeah, i don't know where the wifi stuff went |
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| 07:31.12 | daMaestro | rooly, i'm just glad i can't crash it by opening and closing the tasks menu 5 times straight |
| 07:31.25 | rooly | thats pretty gay |
| 07:31.49 | daMaestro | this release seems to have been very focused on stability and speed |
| 07:32.04 | daMaestro | however, .... however, don't run it without a sim card... it likes to boom far too often |
| 07:32.21 | sybesis | :o |
| 07:32.26 | sybesis | which version? |
| 07:32.43 | daMaestro | 2008.12 |
| 07:32.59 | sybesis | okay seems good for me |
| 07:33.00 | daMaestro | but trust me, it's better then any of the other om releases |
| 07:33.15 | daMaestro | things are getting better.. .a little bit at a time |
| 07:33.19 | sybesis | is it hard to install the image? |
| 07:33.28 | daMaestro | do you run linux? |
| 07:33.32 | sybesis | yup |
| 07:33.35 | daMaestro | not at all |
| 07:33.40 | daMaestro | dfu-util is easy as pie |
| 07:34.03 | sybesis | does it install it on the microsd or it flash the phone? |
| 07:34.12 | daMaestro | either, default on the flash |
| 07:34.27 | sybesis | cool :)< |
| 07:34.28 | daMaestro | sorry.. on the phone |
| 07:34.38 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 07:34.50 | sybesis | thx |
| 07:35.07 | gecco | remember to install this application http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenVibe |
| 07:35.35 | daMaestro | hahhaahh |
| 07:35.41 | daMaestro | now that shit is funny |
| 07:35.54 | rooly | yeah |
| 07:36.00 | rooly | i loved it |
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| 07:37.54 | sybesis | oh lol |
| 07:37.55 | sybesis | i will |
| 07:39.31 | daMaestro | gah, i suppose i should go to bed.. work in 6 hours |
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| 07:41.02 | sybesis | going to bed too |
| 07:41.05 | sybesis | good night |
| 07:41.15 | sybesis | thx for all the info, i'm less scared now |
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| 08:56.45 | mmp | Hello; is there any application capable of locking screen in SHR? |
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| 10:15.23 | Tm_T | weird that openmoko inc is using XLS format, smells like MS OFfice Excel |
| 10:19.30 | Psi | heh, i guess that android image wasn't meant for gta01 |
| 10:19.54 | Psi | locks up at "Starting kernel ..." |
| 10:20.31 | dns53 | you modified your boot loader or installed qi? |
| 10:20.34 | admiral0 | thinks that android isn't so great as it seems |
| 10:21.02 | Psi | i just flashed the kernel and rootfs i found on the wiki |
| 10:21.43 | dns53 | the kernel is bigger than is allowed with the boot loader, you need to configure it to allow a kernel bigger than 2mb |
| 10:22.19 | Psi | hm.. |
| 10:22.20 | Psi | ok |
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| 10:49.52 | spydon | Psi, install qi ftw :P |
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| 10:50.45 | poco | mmm... any idea on how to download maps for tangogps for offline use? |
| 10:51.40 | dns53 | sure, get tangogps on your linux computer and download them there |
| 10:52.11 | Psi | spydon: i have no debug board for my gta01 |
| 10:52.19 | Psi | flashing uboot is abit risky |
| 10:52.54 | dns53 | there are 2 boot loaders |
| 10:53.33 | spydon | Psi, aah gta01... :P |
| 10:54.16 | Psi | yeah, gta01 has no NOR |
| 10:54.28 | poco | dns53, thanks |
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| 10:56.42 | dns53 | poco i have a script that will update the images for osm makpnik and osmarender based on what i have already downloaded |
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| 10:57.18 | poco | dns53, you should release it publicly, might be very useful |
| 10:58.08 | dns53 | it's just a for loop of ls */*/*.png and wgetting from a base path, i'll find the code if you want |
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| 11:04.22 | sarahasharp | Is there a standard way to disable dropshadow in the enlightenment window manager (besides removing the /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow directory, which generates an error message on x startup). |
| 11:04.43 | sarahasharp | I'm running into the bug described here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/038370.html |
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| 11:11.47 | Weiss | sarahasharp: there's a "modules" box inside illume-config, but it doesn't seem to fit well on the screen. |
| 11:12.14 | Weiss | what error message do you get? i just got a message saying that the module couldn't be loaded and asking me if i wanted to disable it |
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| 12:00.01 | tifereth | hi, |
| 12:00.05 | tifereth | i'm using shr and trying to get an gps signal |
| 12:00.15 | tifereth | if i do cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 12:00.33 | tifereth | i dont get any output, do i have to enable the gps chip first? |
| 12:00.38 | beni | tifereth: yes |
| 12:00.45 | tifereth | and how? |
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| 12:01.18 | beni | in the settings app |
| 12:01.23 | beni | there you will find an entry |
| 12:01.50 | tifereth | no there's non in shr |
| 12:02.35 | mib_lp4l6p14 | tifereth: just give it a minute or two under a clear sky |
| 12:02.41 | viq | tifereth: start tango and leave it on a window for 15 minutes or so |
| 12:03.00 | viq | The first fix took quite a while for me, later ones were much faster |
| 12:03.13 | tifereth | ah.. okay that could be the problem |
| 12:03.16 | tifereth | i'll try |
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| 12:59.06 | JaMa | What should be defined in MACHINE_CLASS? |
| 12:59.41 | JaMa | its used in conf/distro/openmoko.conf, but I haven't found definition in oe tree so maybe it should be in local.conf? |
| 12:59.51 | tifereth | hm.. i let tangogps run for at least 30 minutes |
| 12:59.56 | tifereth | and still no position |
| 13:00.12 | leinir | tifereth: Are you inside a building? :) |
| 13:00.35 | tifereth | yeha but shouldn't it work too it was near a window |
| 13:00.41 | tifereth | it should work in a car at least |
| 13:01.07 | JaMa | tifereth: my works near window but only sometimes.. |
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| 13:02.19 | anttna | tifereth: go outside and try |
| 13:03.11 | anttna | when I've had a fix it has continued to work inside a building, or at least still gave a reading. But the first time I ran it I had to go outside, even after this it takes a minute under clear sky |
| 13:04.18 | tifereth | okay i'm trying |
| 13:04.33 | edje2 | i am looking for a small antenna for the gps, has anyone tried that before? ( something like http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/the-30/Antenna-mini-dsh-Omni-MMCX-connector/Detail ) |
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| 13:05.30 | anttna | good boy/girl (delete as appropriate) |
| 13:09.19 | anttna | edge2: see the wiki page |
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| 13:30.54 | anttna | tifereth: where are you? :) |
| 13:31.04 | tifereth | germany |
| 13:31.44 | anttna | :), ok but have you got your gps working? |
| 13:33.16 | kahless_ | btw. anyone need a german osm compilation (NRW) in osm format? :) |
| 13:33.38 | kahless_ | erm, meant, gps data in osm format |
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| 13:46.49 | tifereth | anttna: no, but perhaps my house isn't the best place to try it, i'll try while driving a longer distance |
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| 13:51.43 | anttna | tifereth: althought it will pick up a signal under glass (on the dashboard) I find it better to get a fix before getting into the car. Maybe if it is cloudy this will hinder a signal too |
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| 14:23.43 | Deubeuliou | Is there anybody here who ever used the "smartcard" python module ? |
| 14:23.43 | Deubeuliou | (from pyscard) |
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| 14:39.09 | yoyo | helo |
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| 14:51.38 | yoyo | I see that the gta01 ovrers can forget to have support from openmoko? |
| 14:52.21 | lindi- | yoyo: who are you talking to? ;) |
| 14:53.05 | yoyo | lindi-: to my self :/ |
| 14:53.11 | lindi- | ok :) |
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| 15:14.09 | anttna | Deubeuliou: not me. you can grep the logs if that helps http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg08284.html |
| 15:15.04 | Deubeuliou | ok. I solved half of my problem, though |
| 15:15.27 | Deubeuliou | it was caused by code missing in that module |
| 15:17.50 | mwester | yoyo: Yes, but that's been the case for a very very long time. The community keeps the gta01 alive. |
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| 15:26.42 | yoyo | mwester: you mean that is a end of gta01? |
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| 15:38.20 | raph_ael | hi |
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| 16:11.34 | Slaxxer | i cant get gps in the lastest shr also |
| 16:13.48 | Shlee | Hopefully they update Android to the latest git for on-screen keyboard :D |
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| 16:27.23 | Slaxxer | how do u use git anyways? |
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| 16:30.51 | jan__ | hello all :-) |
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| 16:47.48 | bumbl | i think it was asked before but: who did the openmoko marketing videos on youtube? |
| 16:49.17 | SpeedEvil | Elvis! |
| 16:49.20 | SpeedEvil | Or not. |
| 16:49.43 | Wonka | whut? |
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| 16:56.56 | raph_ael | does somebody know if it's possible to have vibration within shr ? |
| 16:57.45 | dos1 | raph_ael: i have vibration with shr |
| 16:57.53 | dos1 | for some time |
| 16:57.56 | dos1 | :x |
| 16:58.47 | raph_ael | dos1: well in profile, there is just default and silent :) |
| 17:00.05 | dos1 | raph_ael: vibra works in both |
| 17:00.22 | dos1 | you can set it in rules.yaml |
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| 17:02.42 | raph_ael | dos1: thanks, but where is rules.yaml ? ;) |
| 17:03.27 | lindi- | raph_ael: find /etc -name rules.yaml? |
| 17:04.44 | raph_ael | lindi-: sure thanks |
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| 17:07.47 | sebbs | a weird thing with the gps is that when i have my phone on the table its telling me that i am moving between 0.1 - 2.4 km/h |
| 17:08.07 | sebbs | other then that its great, works better then the nokia one i had, even get locks indoors :) |
| 17:08.17 | raph_ael | strange the terminal shows no keyboard :) |
| 17:09.02 | mwester | sebbs: continental drift. |
| 17:09.04 | sebbs | raph_ael: is your keyboard setup properly? |
| 17:09.12 | sebbs | mwester: lol |
| 17:10.34 | raph_ael | sebbs: i'm discovering shr, and don't know yet where things are :) |
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| 17:10.55 | sebbs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems they mention a hardware fix, but it does not say from which hardware revision it began |
| 17:11.08 | dos1 | sebbs: it's normal (keyboard) |
| 17:11.09 | sebbs | raph_ael: is shr good? ive never tried that dist |
| 17:11.22 | dos1 | it is good |
| 17:11.40 | raph_ael | sebbs: for the moment i find it the best |
| 17:11.46 | sebbs | raph_ael: how so? |
| 17:11.55 | raph_ael | but i have the device only since friday |
| 17:12.13 | sebbs | :) |
| 17:12.13 | raph_ael | sebbs: quite stable, easy to use, most things seem to work |
| 17:12.17 | dos1 | i have since holidays |
| 17:12.41 | dos1 | and for me only debian will be better for now |
| 17:13.05 | dos1 | but my microsdhc 4gb isn't working... |
| 17:13.25 | raph_ael | sebbs: fdom was not much usable imho, qtopia was nice also |
| 17:13.47 | sebbs | qtopia is nice, im thinking about using it with debian |
| 17:13.55 | sebbs | chrooting debian and runnign my apps |
| 17:14.17 | raph_ael | sebbs: it can be nice |
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| 17:14.23 | raph_ael | well time to go back home |
| 17:14.28 | sebbs | :) see u |
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| 17:17.48 | Slaxxer | shr keyboard is in the dropdown menu on upper right |
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| 17:40.07 | Amorphous | i just update to 2008.12 and the illume keyboard and screw are gone, how do i get them back? |
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| 17:47.35 | spydon | Isn't the SSH-server on by default on SHR? :P |
| 17:49.32 | dos1 | spydon: it is |
| 17:51.05 | spydon | hmm weird, I can ping it but not ssh to it |
| 17:51.24 | dos1 | dropbear |
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| 18:23.15 | ernst | hello cananyone help me to fix my illume from 2008 |
| 18:23.28 | ernst | he sad me at x restart |
| 18:23.48 | ernst | very bad fail please compile with -g or so |
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| 18:24.02 | ernst | i have upgrade with fdomizer |
| 18:24.07 | ernst | please help |
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| 19:05.01 | orzo | okay |
| 19:05.11 | orzo | i'm using qtextended |
| 19:05.24 | orzo | the testing image |
| 19:05.34 | orzo | from october |
| 19:05.49 | orzo | there's this issue with people i talk to hearing an echo |
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| 19:06.29 | orzo | and i see a bug report with a patch against a package called qtopia-phone-x11-phonevendor-ficgta01vendor |
| 19:06.36 | orzo | that package is in my opkg source |
| 19:06.42 | orzo | but it is not installed on my phone |
| 19:06.58 | orzo | why isnt it? Should i install it? |
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| 19:09.59 | max_posedon | you can't qtextend doesn't use x11 |
| 19:10.16 | max_posedon | but this package is from openmoko distro and use x11. |
| 19:10.27 | orzo | oh |
| 19:10.36 | orzo | well is there a fix i can install for qtextended? |
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| 19:11.09 | orzo | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 |
| 19:11.40 | orzo | why does that package use the word "qtopia" in the title? |
| 19:11.42 | max_posedon | I don't know, many people says, that it is possible to just remix valume... As for me I switched to SHR instead than qtextended |
| 19:11.57 | orzo | i see |
| 19:12.08 | orzo | well i had SHR and switched to qtextended |
| 19:12.09 | max_posedon | because it *IS* qtopia, but compiled for x11 |
| 19:12.43 | max_posedon | e.g. qtextended, can be compiled for framebuffer |
| 19:12.46 | max_posedon | or for x11. |
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| 19:13.06 | orzo | i have debian also |
| 19:13.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I use a non-SHR kernel with SHR? All the available SHR kernels have the accelerometer bug |
| 19:13.37 | orzo | you can use mwester's kernel |
| 19:13.44 | orzo | i was using it before i switched to qtextended |
| 19:13.55 | orzo | cept i'm using neo1973 |
| 19:14.07 | orzo | but i use the same kernel for debian,qtextended, and SHR |
| 19:14.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Does it have the accelerometer bug? :P |
| 19:14.40 | orzo | that bug isnt relevent to neo1973 (gta01) |
| 19:14.45 | orzo | there's no accelerometer in my phone |
| 19:17.37 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh. |
| 19:17.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Poor fella. |
| 19:20.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Ugh, are there any kernels that DON'T have the bug? |
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| 19:21.10 | dos1 | Digital_Pioneer: maybe om-testing? |
| 19:21.17 | dos1 | or andy-tracking |
| 19:21.28 | Digital_Pioneer | dos1: I hear andy-tracking has it too. |
| 19:22.06 | orzo | should i switch back to SHR? |
| 19:22.17 | orzo | just to ditch the echo |
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| 19:28.22 | max_posedon | orzo, I hadn't echo bug with qtopia-4.3.<some-latest-snapshot-in-4.3-branch> |
| 19:28.39 | orzo | oh |
| 19:28.46 | orzo | well i think i installed 4.4 |
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| 19:29.32 | orzo | i'll try installing from teh 4.3 branch |
| 19:29.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Wow, this sucks.... |
| 19:30.30 | orzo | 4.4.2 |
| 19:30.38 | orzo | http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 |
| 19:30.48 | orzo | i installed the gta01 image for 4.4.2 on that page |
| 19:30.52 | orzo | it has the echo bug |
| 19:31.16 | orzo | it's from october 31 |
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| 19:58.06 | lindi- | should be trivialish to fix? |
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| 20:04.31 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, if the screen goes blank white, and restarting X doesn't fix it, what do I do? Just reboot? |
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| 20:09.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there no amazing screen reinitialization command? |
| 20:09.31 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -r -t 0 now ? |
| 20:09.43 | alephnull | restart X ? |
| 20:10.05 | Digital_Pioneer | alephnull: See above: tried it. |
| 20:10.26 | zash__ | chvt ? |
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| 20:14.54 | Digital_Pioneer | zash__: Usage? |
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| 20:22.36 | killfill | hi |
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| 20:22.44 | killfill | im wathcing this: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/07/01/openmoko-on-a-treo-650/#comments |
| 20:22.54 | killfill | how do i install openmoko in a treo 650?... |
| 20:23.04 | killfill | cannot see any advices how to do it.. |
| 20:23.08 | killfill | anytips welcome! |
| 20:23.35 | viq | Isn't that one of the "if you need to ask you'd better not do it" ? ;) |
| 20:23.49 | SpeedEvil | killfill: you don't. |
| 20:24.00 | SpeedEvil | killfill: or rather - you start out by knowing how to do it. |
| 20:24.19 | killfill | hm... |
| 20:24.33 | SpeedEvil | killfill: at the moment OM doesn't really work on the core devices. It's going to be some time before people put effort into porting it. |
| 20:24.51 | killfill | i could follow something like this: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/06/30/im-in-ur-treo-linuxin-ur-phonez/ :) |
| 20:25.13 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 20:25.19 | killfill | but thats not openmoko... isnit? |
| 20:25.45 | SpeedEvil | Well - the fundamental problem is that OM is a rapidly shifting target, so any 'how-to' will be rapidly out of date. |
| 20:25.59 | killfill | hm.. |
| 20:26.38 | killfill | could be interesting,.. i work with this devices in the office.. :P |
| 20:26.43 | killfill | palOS sucks bad. |
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| 20:27.15 | SpeedEvil | Then again. |
| 20:27.19 | SpeedEvil | The above link is just a hack. |
| 20:27.28 | SpeedEvil | It can't run any useful applications at all. |
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| 20:32.51 | mwester | killfill: You're in the right place. |
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| 20:33.55 | killfill | mwester, that do you meean? |
| 20:34.16 | mwester | killfill: raster can help out; he's got the local git repo with the Treo 650 support. It doesn't run any of the phone apps yet, but basically the same rootfs as the FSO stuff. |
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| 20:34.32 | mwester | And it is based, roughly, on the URL you noted. |
| 20:35.05 | killfill | Ah |
| 20:35.46 | killfill | well i could not help developping/porting the plataform 'per se', but maybe 'packageing'/testing things up .. :) |
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| 20:39.36 | killfill | maybe i can convince someone to put some bucks from the pocket.. to do something like a 'bounty'.. :P |
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| 20:48.54 | zash__ | Digital_Pioneer: chvt 1 && chvt 7 |
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| 21:05.55 | frankS2 | is it possible to download the .bin of GTA and run it in virtualbox? just to test it ? |
| 21:06.26 | Martix | frankS2: Qemu |
| 21:06.31 | viq | Doesn't virtualbox emulate an x86 ? |
| 21:07.03 | Martix | viq: doesnt emulate, but virtualize ;-) |
| 21:07.21 | viq | And the difference is? :P |
| 21:07.29 | Martix | great :-P |
| 21:07.45 | viq | Do tell ;) |
| 21:07.47 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * r26330e402a60 10/src/ (frameworkd-glib-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-dbus.h): Renamed DBUS error constants, because they are already used in the dbus source. |
| 21:08.16 | niklauz | so the thing i'm wondering is... would KMS (kernel mode setting) affect the OM project at all? |
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| 21:18.11 | jc | hi, is it good idea to compile libstdc++ with threads support for fr ? |
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| 21:30.09 | Slaxxer | lpotter wats up an will it be soon? |
| 21:30.29 | Slaxxer | an whats it going to be called? 4.4.3? |
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| 21:36.15 | jc | raster: hi, are you here ? |
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| 21:40.40 | raster | jc: maybe :) |
| 21:41.11 | jc | raster: I seek dictators counsel |
| 21:41.31 | jc | raster: do you think there are many floating point operations in the gui ? |
| 21:42.19 | raster | hmmm |
| 21:42.25 | raster | its possible - yes |
| 21:42.30 | raster | edje does a bit of fp |
| 21:42.33 | raster | not per-pixel |
| 21:42.40 | raster | but on layout calcs |
| 21:42.52 | raster | i've had on my list to turn them into fixed-point |
| 21:42.58 | raster | but havent gotten to it |
| 21:43.16 | jc | have any indications this could cause major slowups on fr ? |
| 21:43.19 | dos1 | raster: how much will it help in performance on freerunner? |
| 21:43.26 | jc | *slowdowns |
| 21:43.43 | jc | well I'm deciding on compile options for my stuff and I want the gui to be smooth |
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| 21:44.19 | jc | I have to choose between lot of register space and float performance |
| 21:44.40 | raster | i suspect it really doesnt impact it that much |
| 21:44.49 | raster | as its only done at the higher levels |
| 21:44.54 | raster | not like "per pixel" |
| 21:44.57 | raster | for example |
| 21:45.06 | raster | and its not emulatyed fp via kernel interrupts |
| 21:45.10 | raster | but soft-fp |
| 21:45.23 | raster | so movign to fixed point is going to simply be a bit more optimised |
| 21:45.50 | raster | as such make sure u use soft-float |
| 21:45.58 | raster | anything else for armv4 is silly |
| 21:46.26 | jc | yeah, I'm definitely going with softfloat |
| 21:46.38 | jc | no context switches, no interrupts, good for cache |
| 21:46.53 | jc | also I'm going with thumb for most packages |
| 21:47.03 | jc | and I think I'll go threadless for starters |
| 21:47.04 | raster | caant comment omn thumb |
| 21:47.09 | raster | dont know how it will help |
| 21:47.21 | jc | 16bit instructions |
| 21:47.30 | jc | less instructions do more work |
| 21:47.42 | jc | good for memory moves, bad for calculations |
| 21:48.21 | jc | and since memory moves is what 90% programs normally do all the time, you get it... |
| 21:49.50 | jc | I'm not sure on ABI so far, so thats why I'm asking, there are several variants of gnu eabi, each better for other stuff |
| 21:50.18 | raster | u'd have to focus on diffferent fucntins and routines there |
| 21:50.34 | raster | as i know that the code is littered with all sorts of different focuses |
| 21:50.37 | jc | you can compile something as arm and something for thumb |
| 21:50.39 | raster | some bits are calc-heavy |
| 21:50.52 | raster | some just pump memory around with minimal work done on it |
| 21:50.55 | jc | exactly, if those were optimized... |
| 21:51.10 | jc | its just a matter of sticking .code32 directive at top of math functions |
| 21:51.16 | raster | u cant ask as a whole - because then i'd say "well. its a mix!" |
| 21:51.20 | raster | "depends what you do" |
| 21:51.23 | raster | :) |
| 21:51.35 | raster | theres a cost to switch in/out of thumb too |
| 21:51.38 | jc | assuming your abi allows the seamless interwork |
| 21:51.40 | jc | yeah |
| 21:51.41 | raster | so beware |
| 21:51.44 | jc | on armv4t, definitely |
| 21:51.52 | jc | on newer, its a matter of setting a status bit |
| 21:51.52 | raster | the best is to try abd benchmark |
| 21:51.56 | jc | here it involves branches |
| 21:51.56 | raster | and |
| 21:52.08 | jc | abd benchmark ? |
| 21:52.16 | jc | oh |
| 21:52.36 | raster | and benchmark |
| 21:52.46 | jc | dunno how yet... |
| 21:52.53 | raster | expedite is eva'ss test+benchmark suite |
| 21:53.04 | raster | theres a .bb for it |
| 21:53.22 | jc | of course, always the first priority will be the overall feel for me |
| 21:53.57 | jc | if it jitters and doesn't refresh cleanly and gets stuck for long pending syscalls, then I don't like it |
| 21:54.44 | jc | hmm I see expedite is e stuff :) |
| 21:55.17 | raster | of course |
| 21:55.19 | raster | :) |
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| 21:55.33 | jc | assuming I'll use enlightenment? ;P |
| 21:55.41 | raster | thats what i use to know if code is worth doing |
| 21:55.43 | jc | I think I'll mix it |
| 21:55.47 | raster | eg - does it actusally speed evas up |
| 21:55.49 | raster | or slow it down |
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| 21:56.02 | raster | eg i optimised memory usage - do i pay now a cost in performance? |
| 21:56.07 | raster | or.. do i introduce a bug |
| 21:56.29 | jc | and do you test the feel too ? |
| 21:56.30 | raster | as such evas does a broad crosssection of calculating and shuffling memory around |
| 21:56.44 | raster | so its probably not a bad overall benchmark |
| 21:56.50 | raster | though the actual baseline moves as evas's code changes |
| 21:56.59 | jc | sorry to say but gui performance on FDOM sucks big time |
| 21:57.00 | raster | you cant test "feel" |
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| 21:57.32 | jc | dunno the numbers but it takes about 5 seconds before a damn qtopia window pops up and starts ringing for incoming call |
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| 21:58.14 | jc | another 7 seconds or so before the buttons appear so you can take the call |
| 21:58.15 | dos1 | jc: try shr |
| 21:58.26 | jc | and when you tap the button, it takes about 3 seconds before it lights up |
| 21:58.57 | jc | well of course, at least it works, that much I won't take from anybody |
| 21:59.09 | jc | but if it can be somehow improved by compiler optimizations, I'll try it |
| 21:59.29 | jc | I get most of stuff on these distros is binary garbage collected from debian |
| 21:59.39 | jc | I compile everything |
| 22:00.26 | jc | if that stuff was already compiled optimized for fr, then I don't know what :/ |
| 22:00.44 | raster | i cant answer for qt |
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| 22:01.03 | raster | i can tell u witrh efl what the problems on FR are |
| 22:01.04 | jc | qt sucks much more than the rest of the system to be fair |
| 22:01.04 | RJ812 | hello |
| 22:01.11 | jc | gtk dialogs and stuff are pretty much ok |
| 22:01.12 | RJ812 | everybody here |
| 22:01.19 | RJ812 | helpp me plzz |
| 22:01.23 | raster | and as such its probably the exception in embedded for performance |
| 22:01.31 | jc | don't tell me its about the glamo |
| 22:01.45 | jc | I have seen a fluid 10fps or so full screen animation |
| 22:01.46 | raster | efl runs smoothly on pretty much everything i have thrown it at - except the freerunner |
| 22:02.01 | raster | its partly glamo |
| 22:02.10 | raster | partly slow memory bus |
| 22:02.13 | jc | yeah |
| 22:02.18 | raster | (just on the soc) |
| 22:02.22 | jc | still its 50 MHz or so |
| 22:02.25 | RJ812 | i have problem when upgrade opkg |
| 22:02.26 | raster | partly a low-end old soc (armv4) |
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| 22:02.45 | raster | and partly the insane resolution crammed onto what is otherwise a really old/low-end system |
| 22:02.46 | jc | oh don't you insult ARM9 in front of me :) |
| 22:03.02 | raster | ie if it were qvga - that;'d be an appropriate resolution for that level of cpu |
| 22:03.07 | RJ812 | everyone can help mee plzz |
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| 22:03.13 | raster | vga is inapporpriate |
| 22:03.27 | jc | its a pretty large resolution, true |
| 22:03.37 | jc | but the pandora for example has 800xsomething |
| 22:03.42 | jc | and it works fluid as hell |
| 22:03.51 | jc | it has only a few instructions more in the cpu |
| 22:03.57 | jc | like clz |
| 22:04.06 | jc | and a fpu coprocessor, which you said wasn't a major factor |
| 22:04.31 | jc | true, it has 2d acceleration and an ok bus |
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| 22:04.43 | raster | RJ812: sorry - middle of conversation :) |
| 22:04.56 | raster | jc: pandora is many leages faster |
| 22:04.56 | jc | I think its directly on the soc |
| 22:05.08 | jc | it starts at 600MHz |
| 22:05.10 | raster | jc: example - 600mhz cortex. you're going to be pushing 3-4x the mips |
| 22:05.15 | raster | or more |
| 22:05.20 | jc | and runs full screen quake (software rendering) for gods sake :) |
| 22:05.29 | raster | its 333mhz DDR |
| 22:05.42 | raster | freerunner is 100mhz sdr |
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| 22:06.09 | jc | well, lets try a x86 analogy |
| 22:06.25 | jc | GUI on my old P2 server ruins fluidly |
| 22:06.28 | raster | (and all writes to video ram lose you cycles - so if you spend 20% of your time writing video data to the screen - or 30% then as such you can effectively drop your mem bus to 40mhz or so) |
| 22:06.43 | jc | its 1024x768 old ATI VGA card as framebuffer I think |
| 22:06.49 | jc | 200MHz |
| 22:06.59 | raster | so ddr333 is equivalent to sdr666 - so you have >6x the raw mem bandwidth |
| 22:07.06 | raster | and in reality probably closer to 10x |
| 22:07.27 | raster | the iomap3530 is actually an impressive platform |
| 22:07.38 | RJ812 | :(( |
| 22:08.20 | jc | well, maybe the raw redraw rate wouldn't be ok then |
| 22:09.03 | raster | hmm as for pandora (omap3530) |
| 22:09.10 | raster | it has a whole host more instructions |
| 22:09.15 | jc | still it takes about 15 embarassing seconds to take a call on the fr when it arrives, most of which you hope it shows the gui and registers your tap |
| 22:09.18 | raster | the multimedia simd (muxh like mmx/sse) |
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| 22:09.24 | raster | but i know efl has no asm code for that |
| 22:09.26 | jc | I think it isn't just the gui to blame |
| 22:09.29 | raster | but... it will in the future |
| 22:09.40 | raster | got a beagleboard coming |
| 22:09.54 | jc | yeah, it has, but I thought this was about raw memory bandwidth |
| 22:10.02 | jc | also I think it has full 32 bit bus |
| 22:10.33 | jc | hehe they use gnome I think |
| 22:10.37 | raster | yeah |
| 22:10.40 | jc | they run that |
| 22:10.43 | jc | and firefox |
| 22:10.48 | jc | pretty sleek |
| 22:11.02 | jc | (firefox on an ARM - OMG !) |
| 22:11.05 | raster | so as such freerunner is the worst performing embedded system i have worked with :( |
| 22:11.15 | jc | its not in the cpu |
| 22:11.33 | raster | the c860 (zaurus - xscale @ 400mhz + ati w100 gfx chip) is the 2nd worst |
| 22:11.43 | jc | but I think all the things around it are screwed up |
| 22:11.44 | raster | n800 3rd probably |
| 22:11.54 | jc | starting with the glamo |
| 22:11.56 | jc | then the gsm |
| 22:11.59 | raster | treo650 is possibly the best - fighting with the ipaq3600 |
| 22:12.09 | jc | then the goddamn gps antena around sd clock |
| 22:12.09 | raster | but the 3660 was amazing with a 200mhz mem bus |
| 22:12.18 | jc | sd card too, getting back to the glamo |
| 22:12.29 | raster | though u have to give it kudos - its like 8 years old |
| 22:13.09 | jc | well I thought at the time I got it freerunner was only option to have phone with linux on that you can change, have schematics and good hardware grasp of |
| 22:13.50 | jc | I was kinda used to good designs of old microcomputers and gaming platforms so I presumed the guys know very well what are they doing and I'd start checking the hardware slowly when I get it |
| 22:14.11 | raster | as such if you limited your gfx to ONLY the stuff glamo does in hardware |
| 22:14.17 | raster | and is accelerated - ui would be smoother |
| 22:14.22 | raster | but it'd be a pretty boring ui |
| 22:14.40 | raster | and frankly u'd be writign a ui for 1 device - it'd work on others but u'd be losing out |
| 22:14.47 | jc | well, ok if it takes a second to redraw a window |
| 22:14.49 | raster | and the fr as a device is an exception in the performance world |
| 22:14.50 | jc | lets live with that |
| 22:14.52 | raster | not the rule |
| 22:14.57 | raster | so you're optimising for an outlier case |
| 22:15.01 | raster | not the mainstream |
| 22:15.14 | raster | omap3530 is much mroe in line with mainstream as i'd expect it to be developing over time |
| 22:15.30 | jc | still the opengl part is proprietary, afaik |
| 22:15.30 | raster | but a lot of it is just siliness in qtopia |
| 22:15.36 | raster | it ASSUMES its on qws |
| 22:15.46 | jc | hardware desc of pandora is closed - second thing I don't like AT ALL |
| 22:15.53 | raster | where some thngs like converting xqpimap ->qimage and back to qpixmap is zero-cost |
| 22:15.54 | jc | all that contributed to choosing fr over pandora |
| 22:15.57 | raster | on x11 thats a huge cost |
| 22:16.05 | raster | partly because of the port back to x11 |
| 22:16.14 | raster | but imho more to do with the assumption of windowing system |
| 22:16.27 | jc | I'd like to get rid of the qtopia crap and all qt stuff whatsoever |
| 22:16.41 | raster | yeah - tho with panny the 2d gfx is open and working |
| 22:16.45 | raster | xvideo accel works |
| 22:16.52 | raster | basic 2d is accelerated |
| 22:16.58 | raster | pretty much same as on glamo |
| 22:17.06 | raster | so you can just ignore the 3d core |
| 22:17.08 | jc | glamo has zero docs |
| 22:17.10 | raster | pretend it doesnt exist |
| 22:17.12 | raster | :) |
| 22:17.15 | raster | it has docs |
| 22:17.16 | Tm_T | Qt is good, it's just evil Qtextended pile with not enough manpower in mothercompany |
| 22:17.18 | raster | but not open |
| 22:17.23 | jc | glamo has zero docs for normal people |
| 22:17.49 | jc | I don't like mixing toolkits |
| 22:17.57 | jc | even on my desktop |
| 22:18.07 | Tm_T | jc: I don't like restricting to only one toolkit |
| 22:18.16 | jc | on a laptop with 2GB RAM, I don't mind that much |
| 22:18.18 | Tm_T | because often it limits much what you get |
| 22:18.26 | jc | but on my desktop with 1GB RAM |
| 22:18.41 | jc | you browse with firefox, compile, watch a video, its ok, about 80% mem, rest cache |
| 22:18.49 | jc | swap on minimum, some 5% or so |
| 22:18.57 | Tm_T | jc: I run several toolkits and do huge compiling with 1 GiB |
| 22:18.59 | jc | should be that way all the time, no slowdowns at all |
| 22:19.11 | jc | then run a goddamn k3b or amarok instance |
| 22:19.26 | jc | and the whole thing goes crazy |
| 22:19.49 | Tm_T | doesnt happen here |
| 22:19.56 | jc | I get more swaping, up to some 15% and almost 100% cpu usage |
| 22:20.03 | jc | it starts all the qt stuff |
| 22:20.09 | raster | its not the mixing toolkits |
| 22:20.16 | raster | really the cost of multiple toolkit libs is not a problem |
| 22:20.19 | raster | firefox is your problem |
| 22:20.31 | jc | qts problem it tries to do a lot of more than just gui |
| 22:20.40 | jc | it does database, does IPC and stuff |
| 22:20.50 | raster | and otherwise the many lebvels of bloat and memory usage by the gazillion processes launched as part of the "Desktop environment" |
| 22:21.01 | jc | why do a goddamn dcop or whatever it was called in a dbus world |
| 22:21.03 | raster | i have no prolbmes with e17 mem-wise |
| 22:21.33 | Tm_T | jc: dcop hasn't been in KDE since 4.0 series |
| 22:21.34 | jc | well |
| 22:21.35 | jc | fyi |
| 22:21.43 | jc | my 'desktop environment' takes about 10% mem |
| 22:21.59 | jc | I have everything stripped, don't even run a normal gnome session |
| 22:22.15 | Tm_T | anyway, baby is crying so this debate is not my priority, see you later, kids <3 |
| 22:22.29 | jc | firefox 3 is starting to be pretty much ok for me, it doesn't hog all the memory anymore |
| 22:22.57 | jc | Tm_T: good bye |
| 22:23.08 | lindi- | iceweasel works here but sometimes eats so much memory that linux kills it |
| 22:24.49 | jc | well anyway, I'll hope fr will be eventually usable |
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| 22:25.33 | jc | maybe for the calls, a solution could be to let the gui be present all the time but hidden |
| 22:25.48 | jc | so it pops up a lot faster once a call arrives |
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| 22:29.52 | jc | hey I wonder how windows would run on fr, given ideal drivers |
| 22:30.05 | jc | that would be fun to watch |
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| 22:35.37 | Klischeepunk | nn folks |
| 22:38.35 | jc | dammit, I understand aapcs-gnu is what the new arm eabi is called on gcc ? |
| 22:42.23 | Gnutoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.42 | jc | huh ? |
| 22:43.00 | jonsmith1982 | Gnutoo, this the first boot of Om2008.12? |
| 22:43.01 | jc | Gnutoo: post output of ifconfig -a |
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| 22:43.35 | jonsmith1982 | if so its a known problem, just reboot the device |
| 22:43.49 | balrog-kun | jc: no, i think aapcs is what the old one was called |
| 22:44.13 | jc | balrog-kun: the possibilities are: `apcs-gnu', `atpcs', `aapcs', `aapcs-linux' and `iwmmxt' |
| 22:44.17 | balrog-kun | i would have to check to be sure though |
| 22:44.18 | Gnutoo | jonsmith1982, jc my distro is SHR...and It works now...I had to ifup usb0 on the device...but why didn't it do it automatically? |
| 22:44.38 | jc | ok, dunno I have it on all the time in the device, I use FDOM for now |
| 22:45.02 | balrog-kun | jc: what version of binutils or gdb is it? |
| 22:45.05 | jc | balrog-kun: I know iwmmxt has some optimizations for cpus with vector instructions |
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| 22:45.41 | jc | balrog-kun: I'ts gcc-4.3.2 |
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| 22:46.10 | jc | apcs is supposedly the old abi (as far as googled mailing lists tell) |
| 22:47.14 | balrog-kun | jc: yeah, you're right, aapcs is aeabi or eabi |
| 22:47.20 | jc | so now I'm deciding with aapcs, atpcs and aapcs-linux |
| 22:47.21 | balrog-kun | checked the docs |
| 22:47.46 | jc | and as far as I googled, aapcs-linux doesn't allow too small enums so the abi works properly with linux |
| 22:47.52 | balrog-kun | arm architecture procedure call standard |
| 22:48.18 | jc | so I guess its atpcs and aapcs-linux now |
| 22:50.07 | jc | ok I've googled atpcs is supposed to allow thumb/arm interwork |
| 22:55.58 | jc | ok no factor, aapcs is the newest one and allows thumb-arm interwork too |
| 22:56.23 | spydon | Can you change the ringtone of SHR somewhere? :P |
| 22:57.00 | jc | lol I haven't thought of that yet actually, hope its possible |
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| 23:01.13 | dos1 | spydon: the same way like in fso |
| 23:01.32 | spydon | Dominus, haven't used fso ^^ |
| 23:01.38 | spydon | oops dos1 * |
| 23:04.08 | jc | does anybody know what -mfpu option with -msoft-float is the best performance (least precision) ? |
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| 23:11.43 | RJ812 | anybody can help me :s |
| 23:12.00 | RJ812 | :s |
| 23:13.32 | Slaxxer | what is it? |
| 23:13.32 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * r68032c878a34 10/src/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Added USSD support. Updated some old usage and network code. |
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| 23:14.34 | jc | RJ812: with what ? |
| 23:15.43 | RJ812 | have problem after updated openmoko |
| 23:15.48 | RJ812 | Xserver no start |
| 23:16.25 | jc | try to start it with the initscript ? |
| 23:16.32 | RJ812 | have errors like IRQ message |
| 23:16.35 | jc | oh |
| 23:16.59 | RJ812 | hic |
| 23:17.02 | jc | which distro is it ? |
| 23:17.29 | RJ812 | Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 24 08:23:36 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 23:17.44 | jc | well, but distribution :) |
| 23:18.27 | jc | like Om2008, Om2007, Android, ... |
| 23:18.47 | RJ812 | 0m2007-02 |
| 23:18.57 | jc | thats the default one I guess ? |
| 23:19.03 | RJ812 | ys |
| 23:19.08 | jc | I think its not maintained anymore, you should flash to a new one |
| 23:19.59 | jc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 23:20.12 | jc | pick the one you like |
| 23:20.41 | RJ812 | ys, i try :( |
| 23:20.46 | jc | good luck |
| 23:22.05 | RJ812 | i using neo1973 and have warn "crash" with OM2008 |
| 23:22.28 | jc | oooh |
| 23:22.33 | jc | you're using gta01 |
| 23:22.37 | jc | you have a gta02 kernel |
| 23:22.40 | jc | thats your problem then |
| 23:22.59 | RJ812 | how to fix this problem |
| 23:23.07 | jc | gta01 is the neo1973 and your /proc/version says youre using kernel for gta02 |
| 23:23.23 | jc | I think you should downgrade to your original kernel or find a new one for gta01 |
| 23:24.29 | jc | daaamn I'm stuck at choosing a fpu standard, again obscure documentation |
| 23:25.02 | jc | fpa? fpe? maverick? vfp? god dammit |
| 23:25.18 | jc | I guess vfp is vector floating point which I don't want |
| 23:26.23 | jc | according to some extra old acorn docs , fpa should be the 'old version' of arm fpu so I guess I'll stick with fpe3 or maverick, right ? |
| 23:26.30 | jc | anybody with experience with that? :/ |
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| 23:43.18 | brian__ | anybody useing latest android? |
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| 23:48.19 | jc | brian__: not me, you are ? |
| 23:50.47 | Slaxxer | installing now |
| 23:50.56 | Slaxxer | =brian |
| 23:51.39 | Slaxxer | maybe the keyboard is in there |
| 23:52.37 | jc | good to know |
| 23:52.59 | Slaxxer | i will report in about 10 minuits |
| 23:54.32 | jc | I'll be here I think |
| 23:55.21 | Slaxxer | installed,,now to have a look |
| 23:55.24 | jc | btw. guys at #edev are figuring out which FPU standard is best with softfloat, I'll post it here then if someone cares for it |
| 23:56.09 | Slaxxer | i mess up |
| 23:56.15 | jc | why so ? |
| 23:56.20 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.28 | jc | it needs it ? |
| 23:56.47 | Slaxxer | well i can modify uboot io think |
| 23:57.39 | jc | well, I won't test android in near future anyway |
| 23:57.42 | Slaxxer | well i see android on the screen but thats all |
| 23:57.57 | jc | I think you should let it boot ? |
| 23:58.03 | Slaxxer | ok |
| 23:58.55 | Slaxxer | a pulsating green spot |
| 23:58.56 | Slaxxer | its uyp |
| 23:59.16 | Slaxxer | looks great |
| 23:59.39 | jc | lag ? |