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| 00:16.20 | Dave | Ken! |
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| 00:24.39 | KenYoung | Hi Dave. |
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| 00:26.36 | spanska | Does anyone have a 'gecho' binary in it's path? |
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| 00:28.55 | Dave | :) |
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| 00:45.12 | quatrox | hey |
| 00:46.22 | quatrox | anyone interested in making a y cable, can find my little howto at http://om.quatrox.org/om/ |
| 00:46.22 | quatrox | it has pictures and part numbers |
| 00:48.49 | KenYoung | quatrox, That looks handy. Have you linked an appropiate wiki page to it? |
| 00:48.52 | slaxxin | nice |
| 00:49.37 | quatrox | KenYoung: not yet - I will fix improve the schematics first |
| 00:50.10 | KenYoung | quatrox, The perfect is the enemy of the good. |
| 00:50.28 | quatrox | haha |
| 00:50.31 | quatrox | true, true |
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| 00:55.02 | pieterc | hi |
| 00:55.13 | pieterc | any activity here? ;) |
| 01:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | silent world ;) |
| 01:03.20 | pieterc | yeah ;) |
| 01:03.32 | pieterc | I need someone to talk to ;) |
| 01:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | me in a hurry, sorry |
| 01:03.58 | pieterc | msn is empty, girlfriend's gone, ... only place i can go is the irc of openmoko |
| 01:04.04 | pieterc | guess how desperate I am ;) |
| 01:04.12 | pieterc | haha, no problem |
| 01:06.44 | quatrox | updated the schematics:) |
| 01:06.49 | KenYoung | pieterc, You're going about it in the wrong way. Say something like "Can someone help me get Windows Mobile running on my Freerunner?" or "Will the gta04 have one or two glamo chips?" . |
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| 01:07.26 | pieterc | Can I remove the white screen of death using opkg?: opkg remove wsod? |
| 01:07.27 | pieterc | ;) |
| 01:07.56 | ^wd^ | why windows mobile? vista only :) http://stavcom.ru/vistaonfr1.jpg |
| 01:08.16 | quatrox | pieterc: you can remove wsod by rm -rf /* |
| 01:08.25 | quatrox | lol |
| 01:08.39 | quatrox | but it is not recommended |
| 01:08.45 | pieterc | ^ws^ : seems like you got an ugly virus there |
| 01:08.48 | pieterc | haha |
| 01:09.09 | pieterc | man rm|grep rf |
| 01:10.14 | quatrox | man rm|grep -- -r; man rm|grep -- -f |
| 01:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't work for me, shell says "command not found" ;-) |
| 01:13.04 | pieterc | I must be honest, i did not know the rm -rf command... but seems some funny things happened with that;) |
| 01:13.09 | pieterc | http://www.justpasha.org/folk/rm.html |
| 01:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | shell doesn't take any cammond any more :-((( |
| 01:14.52 | pieterc | cammonds are pretty hard to take actually |
| 01:15.06 | pieterc | since cammonds are pretty hard to swallow |
| 01:15.20 | pieterc | and as we all know |
| 01:15.25 | pieterc | Shell does not swallow |
| 01:15.30 | pieterc | i asked her once |
| 01:15.37 | pieterc | I said: Swallow Bitch |
| 01:15.48 | pieterc | ... |
| 01:16.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | quattrox spoiled my cammondpie |
| 01:16.53 | pieterc | It's too late over here |
| 01:16.57 | pieterc | think i'm going to sleep;) |
| 01:16.58 | pieterc | need sleep |
| 01:17.19 | pieterc | (and free-coke) |
| 01:17.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | can I delete "rm -rf /*" out from history, to ame shell work again? |
| 01:18.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/ame/make/ |
| 01:18.32 | mwester-laptop | DocScrutinizer: no. You'll have to do: cd /; git --reset hard |
| 01:18.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | doesn't know git ;-) |
| 01:19.22 | mwester-laptop | cleartool uncheckout? |
| 01:20.18 | Fougner | quatrox, you're swede? =) |
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| 01:22.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | btw: dd to partition with infile /dev/random is muuuuch better |
| 01:23.10 | quatrox | Fougner: no, I am from Norway |
| 01:23.50 | Fougner | oh.. =) |
| 01:24.07 | pieterc | Norway... how much hours of light you got ? |
| 01:24.20 | quatrox | many |
| 01:24.21 | pieterc | i mean, how much hours of day ;) |
| 01:24.27 | quatrox | I have electricity |
| 01:24.34 | quatrox | :) |
| 01:24.35 | pieterc | of day ;) |
| 01:24.46 | quatrox | not sure |
| 01:25.09 | quatrox | until 4pm I think |
| 01:25.21 | pieterc | I'm in Belgium, and i'm suffering from the not enough daylight syndrome ;) |
| 01:25.33 | pieterc | over here till 4:40 pm |
| 01:25.45 | pieterc | but the thing is... I wake around 2:20 |
| 01:25.52 | pieterc | so i only got 2 hours of sun ;) |
| 01:26.10 | quatrox | well, I usually don't notice the daylight except when I am at work and the sun is shining on my screen |
| 01:26.21 | pieterc | right |
| 01:26.43 | pieterc | ok.. I really gotta sleep now |
| 01:26.45 | pieterc | bye! |
| 01:26.47 | quatrox | me too |
| 01:26.48 | quatrox | bye |
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| 01:35.12 | Fougner | http://www.justpasha.org/folk/whowhat.html |
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| 01:46.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, back to the real battle of wsod ;) |
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| 01:53.21 | quatrox | DocScrutinizer2: I am sorry about the rm... I didn't think anyone would do that. Very sorry |
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| 01:55.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | I killed more FR than you possibly ever could posess. don't worry ;-D |
| 01:55.17 | nicfer | Hmmm would be easy to add some more buttons to the freerunner? |
| 01:55.48 | quatrox | yes |
| 01:55.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | mechanically: no. Layout:no way. Electrically:.np |
| 01:56.10 | quatrox | usb? |
| 01:56.14 | quatrox | bt? |
| 01:56.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | sure |
| 01:56.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | thousands |
| 01:56.27 | quatrox | many options |
| 01:56.43 | mwester-laptop | thinks that until the WSoD is fixed, a giant yellow "RESET" button on the back cover would be good ;) |
| 01:56.57 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 01:57.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | I focus on wsod, tho theidea is appealing |
| 01:57.48 | mwester-laptop | :) Easy too -- just a NC pushbutton to interrupt the battery... |
| 01:58.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | nc like "not connected" in our schem? ;) |
| 01:58.52 | mwester-laptop | It could be -- if the WSoD is fixed! :D |
| 01:59.00 | quatrox | why not just remove the bat each time... i never use the back cover anyway |
| 01:59.07 | mwester-laptop | Otherwise, normally-closed |
| 01:59.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | maybe the real meaning is "null component", never know |
| 01:59.33 | nicfer | Well, some more buttons would be cool mainly for games but there are a lot more of uses |
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| 01:59.51 | mwester-laptop | quatrox: I even have a bit of tape on the battery to make it easier to pull out on mine. |
| 02:00.05 | quatrox | lol |
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| 02:00.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | low number of buttons on FR is on purpose, don't ask whose |
| 02:01.12 | quatrox | nicfer: bluetooth buttons would be perfect for that |
| 02:01.13 | mwester-laptop | hehe! |
| 02:01.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester-laptop: (tape) want my royalties |
| 02:01.33 | mwester-laptop | :p |
| 02:01.51 | mwester-laptop | You'll have to contract with a patent troll! |
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| 02:02.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 02:02.56 | quatrox | and you get sued, because the glue on the tape is patented (I guess) |
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| 02:03.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | waaaah :-/ |
| 02:03.36 | quatrox | lol |
| 02:04.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | quatrox: shut up and start hosting mp3 on your server ;-) |
| 02:04.18 | quatrox | mp3? |
| 02:04.23 | quatrox | no way |
| 02:04.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | om2008 WITH mp3 |
| 02:04.38 | quatrox | I only use flac and ogg vorbis |
| 02:04.45 | DocScrutinizer2 | we can't do anymore |
| 02:04.45 | mwester-laptop | uses mp3. |
| 02:04.52 | mwester-laptop | And windows too.l |
| 02:05.02 | mwester-laptop | is pragmatic that way. |
| 02:05.15 | quatrox | I feel sorry for you, mwester |
| 02:05.54 | mwester-laptop | Dunno why... I'm happy :) |
| 02:06.01 | quatrox | is that vista you are using? |
| 02:06.09 | mwester-laptop | Right now? Fedora 8 |
| 02:06.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | Hear! hear! |
| 02:06.12 | quatrox | or the new windows 7? |
| 02:06.38 | quatrox | fedora is nice |
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| 02:06.53 | mwester-laptop | Don't do vista. but not for anti-windows stuff, just because I don't need the admin hassles. XP is enough to deal with. |
| 02:07.14 | mwester-laptop | wonders if he should mention that his primary phone runs PalmOS |
| 02:07.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | keewl |
| 02:08.17 | nicfer | My goal is have all in one device |
| 02:08.33 | mwester-laptop | I'd like that, but display is the problem. |
| 02:09.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, vista on FR :D |
| 02:09.45 | mwester-laptop | Naw, has to be Red Hat Enterprise Linux on the FR. |
| 02:09.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | works! seen a photo ;) |
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| 02:10.35 | quatrox | photo of RH E? |
| 02:10.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, RHEL should be kinda feasibe actually |
| 02:11.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | photo of vista :p |
| 02:11.03 | quatrox | export DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0.0 startx |
| 02:11.06 | quatrox | ahh |
| 02:11.13 | quatrox | vnc |
| 02:11.33 | Dave | hah |
| 02:11.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
| 02:11.48 | daMaestro | hmmm any 2008.11 images Dave ? |
| 02:11.54 | Dave | Nope |
| 02:11.56 | daMaestro | Dave, now. doitnow. |
| 02:12.01 | Dave | :[ |
| 02:12.04 | Dave | Busy |
| 02:12.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | ewww, wsod waiting for me |
| 02:12.08 | Dave | hahaha |
| 02:12.10 | mwester-laptop | quatrox: but that requires another computer -- the ideal goal would be a bluetooth keyboard and a direct video connection to a flat panel monitor. |
| 02:12.13 | Dave | Looking forward to tomorrow, Joerg? :) |
| 02:12.18 | Dave | Back to work :P |
| 02:12.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | right now dave |
| 02:12.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | TZ U know? |
| 02:13.19 | mwester-laptop | Monday morning for you alread, DocScrutinizer2? |
| 02:13.22 | quatrox | mwester-laptop: Kuluu "Works Everywhere" |
| 02:13.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, and I'm late |
| 02:13.42 | DocScrutinizer2 | c u, guys |
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| 02:14.52 | Dave | I KNOW |
| 02:14.58 | Dave | Later J |
| 02:15.00 | Dave | Good luck :p |
| 02:15.10 | Dave | Make sure to take the FRs out of the fridge ;) |
| 02:15.53 | Dave | Mwester, I find it musing how as far as we have come from the original concept, the more we delve into the myriad of problems surrounding the freerunner, the closer and closer it becomes to fulfilling its initial perception of being a shower radio ;) |
| 02:16.39 | quatrox | must slee 3 hours, then off to work:( |
| 02:17.00 | quatrox | s/slee/sleep/ |
| 02:17.31 | mwester-laptop | hehe! |
| 02:17.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: loool |
| 02:17.57 | Dave | mwester, seriously, we see them showing up in fridges, barbecues, what's next!? |
| 02:18.01 | Dave | See my point? ;) |
| 02:18.09 | Dave | quatrox->sleep(10800); |
| 02:18.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh, apt not substituting in /me's? |
| 02:18.50 | Dave | No, that wouldn't make sense, then she would become everybody's bitch :p |
| 02:18.52 | Dave | pets apt |
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| 02:19.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | apt take cookie |
| 02:19.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | apt ? |
| 02:19.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | wtf |
| 02:19.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~.~ |
| 02:19.53 | sicu | ~cuddle Dave |
| 02:19.54 | apt | ACTION grabs Dave and cuddles until Dave begs for mercy |
| 02:20.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | ahh, |
| 02:20.23 | Dave | ^_^ |
| 02:20.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | apt: take cookie |
| 02:20.33 | Dave | apt: botsnack |
| 02:20.33 | apt | :), Dave |
| 02:20.42 | Dave | I like you too, apt. |
| 02:20.44 | Dave | But not too much. |
| 02:20.47 | mwester-laptop | apt: you're useless |
| 02:20.47 | apt | ACTION starts crying and hides from mwester-laptop in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 02:21.07 | mwester-laptop | feels bad now |
| 02:21.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | beats apt with a newpaper |
| 02:22.27 | Dave | :O |
| 02:22.32 | Dave | Mwester: apologize! |
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| 02:22.57 | spanska | When I use "make download-images" with qemu, it says Kernel is... not found. How come? |
| 02:23.17 | sicu | ~IRC |
| 02:23.18 | apt | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
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| 02:23.48 | sicu | on that note i'll hit the sack |
| 02:23.52 | sicu | n8 |
| 02:24.03 | quatrox | apt |
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| 02:31.50 | spanska | hrm.. so weird |
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| 02:56.05 | quatrox | apt: where are you? |
| 02:56.05 | apt | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 02:56.50 | doc|home | that'd be here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=42.37512+N,+72.51999+W&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.339735,59.501953&ie=UTF8&ll=42.370974,-72.526588&spn=0.162333,0.23243&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr |
| 03:00.45 | quatrox | apt: how old are you? |
| 03:00.46 | apt | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 03:06.16 | zash | haha, a bit west of that is a street named Gaylord |
| 03:08.15 | quatrox | strange americans |
| 03:10.14 | quatrox | but here in Norway, we have a placed named Hell |
| 03:11.24 | quatrox | tourists often by one-way-tickets just to get a souvenir |
| 03:13.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) not highway to hell, but at least a oneway ticket. makes a nice gift |
| 03:13.15 | quatrox | well |
| 03:13.33 | quatrox | better not give a two-way ticket |
| 03:13.47 | quatrox | don't want anyone to return |
| 03:15.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | could you get me one of these please? :-) |
| 03:15.59 | quatrox | haha... maybe... the place is not very close to me |
| 03:16.52 | Dave | Holy shit Java makes me want to rip all my appendages off and bludgeon someone with them. |
| 03:17.30 | quatrox | java is not that evil |
| 03:17.54 | Dave | Dude, I've spent the last half hour trying to make a simple system call. |
| 03:18.13 | quatrox | hmm |
| 03:18.20 | quatrox | not good |
| 03:18.25 | Dave | Quatrox, I suppose you're a java person? |
| 03:18.26 | zash | Dave: why even bother? |
| 03:18.50 | quatrox | tries to sleep |
| 03:18.51 | Dave | zash, do you REALLY want to know the answer to that? |
| 03:18.54 | Dave | hahaha quatrox |
| 03:19.00 | Dave | That's okay, I'll let you escape :) |
| 03:19.02 | zash | Dave: i don't know |
| 03:19.09 | zash | DO I? |
| 03:19.14 | Dave | Doubtful. |
| 03:21.12 | slaxxin | like wheel, java suck |
| 03:21.50 | slaxxin | of course i wouldnt know about java |
| 03:22.40 | slaxxin | Dave Breaks Java |
| 03:23.15 | Dave | I DESTROY EVERYTHING! |
| 03:23.25 | Dave | Especially phones :P |
| 03:23.32 | zash | DAVE, THE DESTROYER OF JAVA AND PHONES |
| 03:23.40 | slaxxin | down to 3 mokos yet? |
| 03:23.40 | zash | DESTROYINATING THE COUNTRYSIDE |
| 03:23.48 | Dave | and especially phones with java |
| 03:23.49 | Dave | :P |
| 03:23.56 | Dave | zash, I like your style. |
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| 03:25.31 | zash | Dave: then I think you will like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gz1DIIxmEE |
| 03:25.53 | Dave | o.O |
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| 03:32.18 | Arg0naut | sim card not being detected, any trouble shooting ideas? (was working about a month ago) |
| 03:37.01 | slaxxin | happend to me i just got another card |
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| 03:41.14 | Dave | throws coffee beans at DocScrutinizer |
| 03:41.24 | Arg0naut | did it stop working on all phones or just the freerunner? |
| 03:41.35 | slaxxin | all |
| 03:41.59 | Arg0naut | with this it just seems to be the freerunner (only have two phones to test) |
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| 03:42.26 | slaxxin | att? |
| 03:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: STOP THAT! I had my coffe |
| 03:42.39 | Arg0naut | fido(canada) |
| 03:42.45 | slaxxin | oo |
| 03:43.33 | slaxxin | theres a gsm upgrade u might need now |
| 03:44.02 | Arg0naut | even if it worked before? |
| 03:44.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | Arg0naut: hmm, seems strange |
| 03:44.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | probably MOKO10 fw won't help then |
| 03:45.20 | Dave | :D |
| 03:46.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | check your card is seated properly, and has clean contacts (also sim holder should be cleaned). use unvarnished paper to rub the contacts |
| 03:46.39 | Dave | check it's not backwards! |
| 03:46.41 | Dave | :D |
| 03:46.48 | Arg0naut | lol |
| 03:46.49 | Dave | I did that a couple times absentmindedly :P |
| 03:47.09 | Dave | Which solved /that/ "Registration problem" :P |
| 03:47.13 | Dave | haha |
| 03:47.24 | Arg0naut | i'll try contact rubbing |
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| 03:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how you can insert a sim backwards and still it would fit |
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| 03:50.02 | Dave | it fits perfectly joerg |
| 03:50.03 | Dave | try it |
| 03:50.07 | Dave | the contacts almost match up too |
| 03:50.12 | Dave | they're just offset slightly |
| 03:50.24 | Dave | I would be surprised if it hasn't happened to a few others. |
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| 03:53.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: cut corner frong side, holder wont close |
| 03:53.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: unless you use a sledgehammer |
| 03:54.26 | slaxxin | bear down Dave |
| 03:54.56 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/frong/wrong/ |
| 03:55.35 | Dave | o_O |
| 03:55.50 | slaxxin | we won't have a release in Nov. Currently the testing team is going to do a full test on the latest testing image |
| 03:55.52 | Dave | Joerg, you don't believe me? |
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| 03:58.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: *YOU*probably will make it fit |
| 03:58.22 | Dave | NO |
| 03:58.24 | Dave | Geeze |
| 03:58.28 | Dave | How do you not see this |
| 03:58.40 | Dave | Not like it's a big deal at all ^_^ |
| 04:00.28 | slaxxin | has the dialer ui changed on shr? |
| 04:00.48 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.12 | raster | blinds slaxxin with his white buttox |
| 04:01.24 | slaxxin | yikes |
| 04:02.13 | slaxxin | arrrrgggggggGGGGGGG |
| 04:02.31 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAHAH |
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| 04:03.19 | Dave | RASTER |
| 04:03.29 | Dave | raster.java |
| 04:04.00 | zash | DAS RASTER |
| 04:04.55 | raster | ewwww |
| 04:05.00 | raster | java |
| 04:05.01 | raster | ewwwwwwww |
| 04:06.48 | Dave | hahaha |
| 04:06.51 | Dave | That's what I said. |
| 04:07.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'll give it a try, Dave |
| 04:07.15 | Dave | Hah, go for it. |
| 04:07.29 | Dave | It'll take all of thirty seconds (if you can get the freerunner open). |
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| 04:09.20 | Dave | Welcome back, Ken. |
| 04:09.59 | KenYoung | Thanks, Dave. I think I have a version of orrery with that zoom problem that you saw fixed. |
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| 04:15.15 | Dave | yay |
| 04:15.29 | Dave | It was difficult to reproduce, but just trying it a bunch of time yielded it |
| 04:15.36 | Dave | It seemed mysterious at the time |
| 04:15.40 | Dave | Did you finally figure it out? :) |
| 04:15.49 | KenYoung | I'll upload it as soon as I finish adding a few new features. |
| 04:17.08 | KenYoung | Dave, I found it by getting it into that glitched state, and then forcing a core dump. Then I evamined the core dump with gdb, and found that the value for the center azimuth was a NAN (and not the tasty tandoori kind). |
| 04:17.43 | Dave | geeze |
| 04:17.58 | Dave | hah, yeah :) |
| 04:18.02 | Dave | okay cool |
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| 04:18.34 | KenYoung | It's *really* nice to be able to run gdb on the phone." |
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| 04:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: (It'll take all of thirty seconds) No problem to find and open FR a dozen in 30sec, but I need a *SIM* for this :-/ |
| 04:19.13 | thanatos0624 | is there a separate channel for android discussion? |
| 04:22.28 | KenYoung | Are there any other Openmoko channels besides this one and openmoko-cdevel? |
| 04:22.46 | mwester | #android IIRC, thanatos0624 |
| 04:22.47 | Dave | Joerg, you don't have any laying around? |
| 04:23.11 | Dave | Ken, yeah a few rogue channels, mostly for different branch development |
| 04:23.12 | Dave | :) |
| 04:23.25 | raster | #theandroidconspiracy |
| 04:23.29 | raster | :) |
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| 04:24.12 | thanatos0624 | Would any of those channels be an appropriate venue to discuss building, say, busybox for android on freerunner? |
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| 04:28.15 | raster | probably not |
| 04:28.21 | raster | as busybox has nothng to do with android |
| 04:28.25 | raster | well that depends |
| 04:28.41 | raster | are you usign the android userspace completely |
| 04:28.45 | raster | including their libc etc. etc. |
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| 04:35.40 | thanatos0624 | i was looking for a toolchain |
| 04:35.52 | thanatos0624 | i'm a little new at this, so i got stuck |
| 04:37.18 | thanatos0624 | sean mcneill obviously managed to accomplish something, but i don't quite understand what he did ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3 ) |
| 04:37.48 | thanatos0624 | I thought maybe I could set up an environment with scratchbox or something where I could build busybox from source |
| 04:37.59 | mwester | The koolu guy talks to us, sean doesn't do IRC, or at least this channel. |
| 04:38.17 | mwester | I'd suggest email to the list and ask sean. |
| 04:38.30 | thanatos0624 | list? |
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| 04:42.08 | Toaster` | Is there a way to set the screen blank and/or suspend time from the command line? |
| 04:42.48 | raster | xset s |
| 04:44.13 | Toaster` | thanks raster |
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| 04:45.04 | thanatos0624 | Never mind, guys, there's a toolchain linked to on the Koolu forums |
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| 05:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | back to the fridge, FR! |
| 05:05.04 | mwester | No cans of cold spray? |
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| 05:13.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | mwester: actually bought 2 of them. didn't trigger wsod, so I'll give it a wpmin freezer |
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| 05:16.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | s/wp/20/ |
| 05:17.20 | rooly | woo hoo |
| 05:17.26 | rooly | i found an old nokia battery |
| 05:17.28 | rooly | works great |
| 05:17.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 05:17.36 | rooly | doesn't have all the data capabilities |
| 05:18.02 | rooly | backup batteries ftw |
| 05:18.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | rooly: nope, doesn't. FR bat smarter |
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| 05:20.06 | AntonTakk | anyone seen the updates to the gta03 specs page? |
| 05:20.25 | AntonTakk | er gta03_revisions |
| 05:20.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
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| 05:22.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | AntonTakk: seen the note on this page? speculative, not endorsed by OM |
| 05:23.17 | AntonTakk | i know, but some of it is very well speculated, like the gprs modem, and gps chip, as hardware verification has been done on them by the foresight lab |
| 05:23.50 | AntonTakk | so we at least know there are early gta03 ev boards with those devices |
| 05:24.57 | AntonTakk | the thing that really caught my eye, thou was the 10 Ah rating on that proposed wishlist battery |
| 05:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | muahaaaha. 10Ah |
| 05:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | send us some samples!!! |
| 05:26.36 | AntonTakk | granted i'm far from being qualified to make an educated guess, but it seems to me that with a battery like that a phone with only modest power management could run for a very long time |
| 05:26.51 | AntonTakk | yeah, true, never count your eggs, or what ever, but still |
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| 05:27.02 | zash | 10 .. Ah? |
| 05:27.08 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 05:27.13 | AntonTakk | 10,000 mah |
| 05:27.21 | zash | carbatterysized? |
| 05:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | probably for backpack carrying ;-) |
| 05:27.31 | AntonTakk | nope |
| 05:27.41 | AntonTakk | let me get the product link from the manufacturer's website |
| 05:28.09 | AntonTakk | http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4053 |
| 05:28.51 | zash | holy cow |
| 05:29.24 | zash | quite large |
| 05:29.29 | zash | but not that large |
| 05:30.14 | AntonTakk | even so, go for half the size and you still have 5x the freerunner's battery |
| 05:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | Weight 258 grams |
| 05:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | won't happen |
| 05:31.47 | zash | haha |
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| 05:33.06 | Dave | zash ;p |
| 05:35.18 | zash | Design charge: 52.2 Wh |
| 05:35.44 | zash | why don't we just use a crappy laptop battery |
| 05:35.58 | zash | and build the biggest phone EVER |
| 05:36.16 | rooly | oh, you mean the gnu phone |
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| 05:37.02 | zash | rooly: URL PLZ |
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| 05:41.47 | rooly|away | nn |
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| 06:18.20 | dufflebunk | Does anyone have the qtextended source handy? |
| 06:18.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r178212d84290 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (2 files in 2 dirs): qtopia: update the PhoneProfile.conf in OE |
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| 06:20.54 | dufflebunk | So I'm wondering if it's hard coded |
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| 09:18.44 | kelvie | Hmm, so how do I re-enable mp3 support in FSO? :p |
| 09:19.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03tick * r4838 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (20 files): |
| 09:19.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: opkg: adding the hash_table_remove API, not using yet. |
| 09:19.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Just complete the API for future usage. |
| 09:19.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Clean all the entry at initial time. This reduces planty of unnecessary check. |
| 09:19.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: In order to prevent this kind of bug, using calloc to replace most malloc |
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| 09:36.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 11:15.55 | Fougner | Dave! =D |
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| 11:31.02 | Fougner | wow, the FR boots into OM -testing in under a minute! |
| 11:31.10 | Fougner | sweet |
| 11:31.52 | spydon | nice |
| 11:31.59 | Fougner | yeah |
| 11:32.01 | igor321 | noice |
| 11:32.04 | spydon | which bootloader? |
| 11:32.14 | Fougner | the standard uboot I think =) |
| 11:32.20 | Fougner | built on 9th of may this year |
| 11:32.36 | igor321 | that would mean it's even faster with qi, way2go openmoko |
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| 11:32.59 | Fougner | you sure? |
| 11:33.06 | Fougner | why would it be faster with qi? =) |
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| 11:34.05 | igor321 | we'll it's faster for me, and the damn wiki claims 40 seconds against the u-boot :) |
| 11:34.42 | igor321 | so yeah, you should be able to boot in 20 secs, being _really_ optimistic |
| 11:34.50 | igor321 | maybe we'll get there one day, eh :) |
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| 11:37.59 | Wonka | will i be able to select between different systems with qi? |
| 11:38.15 | igor321 | yes, with the aux button at boot |
| 11:38.24 | Wonka | currently, i can boot from nand, the one kernel from sd, and the other kernel from sd |
| 11:38.33 | SpeedEvil | hopefully we won't need to boot soon |
| 11:38.49 | max_posedon | Wonka, I think yes, it is possible toi impement this via kexec I think. |
| 11:39.25 | Wonka | hm, and when i have flashed a kernel that panics on boot, i am hosed? |
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| 11:39.29 | Fougner | oh gooood |
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| 11:39.36 | Wonka | i remember something about qi not doing dfu stuff... |
| 11:39.40 | igor321 | just reflash with the nor uboot, mon |
| 11:39.50 | lindi- | if you have a laptoip |
| 11:40.09 | lindi- | when you are on the road it's pretty useful to be able to select which kernel to boot |
| 11:40.12 | max_posedon | Wonka, nor uboot is always with you) |
| 11:40.20 | Wonka | igor321: ok, that's a workaround :) |
| 11:41.03 | igor321 | Wonka: i think it's better for qi to remain fast, rather then support dfu and other stuff |
| 11:41.20 | igor321 | for it to support that it has to initialise usb and that probably takes time |
| 11:41.49 | Wonka | igor321: ack - just wanted to know how careful one must be while toying around |
| 11:42.08 | Wonka | example: my current SHR X server doesn't start. |
| 11:42.50 | Wonka | but wasn't there something about upcoming incompatible changes that would make the nor uboot unusable? |
| 11:43.05 | igor321 | hm lemme think |
| 11:43.10 | igor321 | yeah sorta |
| 11:43.33 | igor321 | i think it's limited in size of kernel it can take |
| 11:43.34 | henk | the nor can be reflashed using the debug board, right? |
| 11:44.29 | igor321 | so you'd have to, reflashe the nand uboot without those restrictions, boot into the aforementioned uboot, flash the new kernel, flash qi again, it's a workaround as we said :) |
| 11:44.49 | pieterc | Does any one know when Sean is about to put a new Rootfs online? |
| 11:44.53 | pieterc | (for Android) |
| 11:45.03 | igor321 | he was supposed to do it today |
| 11:45.13 | igor321 | since he didn't, it's coming tommorrow |
| 11:45.14 | igor321 | :) |
| 11:45.16 | pieterc | i'm waiting patiently ;) |
| 11:45.26 | igor321 | you and me both :) |
| 11:46.03 | Wonka | i even have a debug board - but no small enough torx screw driver :( |
| 11:46.07 | pieterc | It's just want a system that is able to show-off... so i can convince my engineering friends to use linux ;) |
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| 11:46.40 | pieterc | haha Wonka, can't you buy one from an openmoko reseller? |
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| 11:48.40 | Fougner | wonka, that's a pity |
| 11:49.40 | henk | isn't it just a simple torx screwdriver like you get it in every other tools shop? |
| 11:49.42 | Fougner | pieterc, your engineering friends, do they have problems with viruses? security? |
| 11:49.53 | Fougner | henk, something like that |
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| 11:50.00 | Fougner | Wonka, where do you live? |
| 11:50.10 | pieterc | Fougner: i always tell them windows IS a virus... so yes;) |
| 11:50.23 | Fougner | pieterc, that's not correct |
| 11:50.39 | Fougner | viruses are actually being developed |
| 11:50.44 | pieterc | Fougner: :D |
| 11:50.55 | henk | viruses are small, efficient, they work and you barely notice them... |
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| 11:51.24 | Fougner | the only thing they have in common is.. They spread like shit |
| 11:51.40 | henk | yes, but you can sue the viruses author... |
| 11:51.46 | pieterc | :Dµ |
| 11:52.04 | Fougner | thanks to the unexisting EULA to use them |
| 11:52.33 | pieterc | lets sue Micro$oft, openmoko-guys ;) |
| 11:52.40 | pieterc | for spreading virusses;) |
| 11:52.42 | Fougner | pieterc, good idea |
| 11:52.46 | Fougner | hah |
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| 11:53.04 | Fougner | this is so good |
| 11:53.24 | pieterc | Although I don't know why you should sue toiletpaper... |
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| 11:53.33 | Fougner | my mom uses XP (what else) and yesterday she had a problem with outlook express. |
| 11:53.47 | pieterc | what's XP? |
| 11:53.51 | Fougner | duh |
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| 11:54.12 | Fougner | winblows virus |
| 11:54.14 | Fougner | anyhow |
| 11:54.42 | Fougner | there was a strange error, about the verification and stuff. checked the settings, everything fine.. then I downloaded thunderbird |
| 11:55.05 | Fougner | imported everything, set as standard email client.. |
| 11:55.11 | Fougner | woooop, worked like a charm |
| 11:55.17 | pieterc | is that that operating system that echo's like a million of windows on the screen en doesn't know grep? |
| 11:55.30 | pieterc | great;) |
| 11:55.33 | pieterc | Ok |
| 11:55.35 | pieterc | i g2g |
| 11:55.47 | Fougner | and, they've used firefox for like years now.. |
| 11:55.52 | pieterc | due to bad taste of humour and an assignment of Physics;) |
| 11:56.01 | pieterc | bye |
| 11:56.04 | Fougner | byee =) |
| 11:56.59 | Wonka | Fougner: northern germany |
| 11:57.18 | Wonka | Fougner: i will simply buy a torx driver someday :) |
| 11:57.22 | Fougner | yeah |
| 11:57.25 | Fougner | exactley |
| 11:57.41 | Fougner | germans are known for their high quality of tools |
| 11:57.44 | Fougner | =) |
| 11:57.57 | Fougner | so probably you'll find one, able to open a FR |
| 11:58.17 | SpeedEvil | You can use an appropriate small flat screwdriver to undo torz |
| 11:58.18 | SpeedEvil | x |
| 11:58.22 | henk | Wonka: northern? how far? |
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| 12:01.53 | Fougner | henk, mannheim ;) |
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| 12:14.22 | henk | Fougner: you too? |
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| 12:22.23 | Wonka | Statement stm = conn.createStatement(); |
| 12:22.23 | Wonka | ResultSet rs = stm.executeQuery("SELECT nextval('PHONEBOOK_RECORD_SEQ')"); |
| 12:22.31 | Wonka | -EPASTE |
| 12:22.38 | Wonka | http://www.geekherocomic.com/2008/11/29/linux-on-the-iphone/ is what i meant |
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| 12:29.51 | Fougner | henk, no, I meant Wonka :P |
| 12:29.57 | Fougner | I live in Sweden =) |
| 12:30.09 | henk | ah ok |
| 12:30.49 | Tm_T | Fougner: where there? |
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| 12:33.48 | Fougner | Tm_T, southeast =) |
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| 12:43.01 | Tm_T | Fougner: bah, southern punk |
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| 12:44.51 | Fougner | Tm_T, what? ^^ |
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| 12:45.57 | Tm_T | Fougner: (;) |
| 12:46.20 | Fougner | ;D |
| 12:46.31 | Fougner | northern punk! |
| 12:46.37 | Tm_T | no punk |
| 12:46.44 | Tm_T | too old to be punk |
| 12:49.05 | CM_work | Fougner: Hur långt norrut? ;) |
| 12:50.04 | Tm_T | CM_work: tycke mig? (one hand writing is hard at times) |
| 12:50.26 | CM_work | :P |
| 12:50.47 | CM_work | Tm_T: You can never be too old for punk |
| 12:51.06 | Tm_T | CM_work: never too old to rock'n'roll |
| 12:51.36 | Tm_T | inte älskar, ja, om kanske tycker om mig,var så gut |
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| 12:53.06 | CM_work | Ich mag dir nicht :P |
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| 12:53.11 | CM_work | Oder was sagt man? |
| 12:53.37 | Tm_T | night |
| 12:53.46 | CM_work | night |
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| 13:03.26 | Wonka | henk: Kiel |
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| 13:03.59 | Wonka | henk: aka "south sweden" to people in Hannover and further south |
| 13:04.22 | Wonka | henk: no sense of geography, those bavarians |
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| 13:11.45 | badcloud | speaking of which, does the Swedish-sold Freerunners have English on them as well, or just Swedish? |
| 13:13.00 | badcloud | closest ordering location for me |
| 13:13.33 | Tm_T | badcloud: err, swedish in where? apps? |
| 13:13.59 | badcloud | yup |
| 13:14.12 | badcloud | the build that it ships with |
| 13:14.40 | Tm_T | I haven't seen any translations installed on any shipped FR thus far |
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| 13:15.29 | badcloud | k, thanks |
| 13:16.16 | Fougner | badcloud, you decide it youself |
| 13:16.34 | Fougner | don't count on the shipped distro .. it's awfully old ;P |
| 13:16.43 | badcloud | righto |
| 13:17.07 | badcloud | thanks |
| 13:17.08 | Tm_T | but it works! |
| 13:17.12 | Tm_T | well, games works |
| 13:17.22 | Fougner | badcloud, swede? |
| 13:18.06 | Fougner | CM_work, jag skrev till Tm_T , att han va northern punk.. jag är southeast punk ;) |
| 13:18.17 | Tm_T | kids... |
| 13:18.40 | Fougner | Tm_T, yeaah, at least I'm not old and weak ;) |
| 13:18.54 | badcloud | nope, just live in Norway at the moment |
| 13:19.18 | Fougner | oh. well |
| 13:19.21 | Tm_T | Fougner: yet |
| 13:19.28 | Fougner | Tm_T, haha |
| 13:19.34 | badcloud | booorn, in the U S A, so English all the way for me |
| 13:19.52 | Fougner | badcloud, the freerunners shipped here in Europe are all the same I guess |
| 13:20.04 | Fougner | badcloud, what are you up to in Norway then? =P |
| 13:20.04 | badcloud | right |
| 13:20.37 | badcloud | good question. not a day goes by without me asking myself the same thing |
| 13:20.48 | Tm_T | badcloud: Fougner: refugee perhaps? |
| 13:20.48 | badcloud | came here to finish an undergrad in music |
| 13:20.51 | badcloud | haha |
| 13:20.54 | Fougner | oh |
| 13:21.16 | badcloud | but by god if it's not the definition of middle ages in terms of classical music |
| 13:22.03 | badcloud | what do you guys do? |
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| 13:22.47 | Fougner | I'm the human bot for this channel =) |
| 13:22.53 | badcloud | hahahaha |
| 13:22.57 | badcloud | paid? |
| 13:23.09 | Fougner | have you ever heard of one? |
| 13:23.34 | Fougner | DAAAAAAAAAVE! |
| 13:23.47 | badcloud | well, no, but I'm an intermediate noob |
| 13:23.54 | Fougner | apt shoot badcloud |
| 13:23.55 | apt | ACTION shoots badcloud in the foot with a phase pistol! |
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| 13:24.09 | badcloud | ouch |
| 13:24.10 | Fougner | apt: how old are you? |
| 13:24.10 | apt | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 13:24.19 | Fougner | apt: where do you live?= |
| 13:24.27 | Fougner | apt: where are you? |
| 13:24.28 | apt | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 13:24.33 | badcloud | apt: who is your master? |
| 13:24.34 | apt | [your master] not dio |
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| 13:24.49 | Fougner | apt: who is badcloud ? |
| 13:24.50 | apt | Fougner: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:25.00 | badcloud | apt: what is the answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 13:25.02 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, badcloud |
| 13:25.02 | Fougner | apt, right |
| 13:25.03 | apt | blah blah blah/spam spam spam/yaddayaddayaddayadda sis boom bam |
| 13:25.12 | Fougner | ~_~ |
| 13:25.13 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 13:25.21 | Fougner | apt get Fougner some coffee |
| 13:25.22 | apt | ACTION fetches Fougner some coffee |
| 13:25.26 | badcloud | hahahahha |
| 13:25.34 | Fougner | apt: I don't drink coffee |
| 13:25.35 | apt | You don't drink coffee? |
| 13:25.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * r703017c8f874 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:25.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: * Implemented a FrameworkdHandlers constructor, in order to avoid duplication. |
| 13:25.39 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: * Corrected a typo in frameworkd-glib-ogsmd-sim.[c|h]. Thanks to "gotterdammerung" |
| 13:25.42 | Fougner | apt, nope |
| 13:25.43 | apt | yes |
| 13:25.46 | Sup3rkiddo | huh?! |
| 13:25.47 | Fougner | ahha |
| 13:25.57 | Fougner | apt, you're funny |
| 13:26.08 | Sup3rkiddo | apt, kneel |
| 13:26.18 | Fougner | apt: did they fix your AI ? |
| 13:26.31 | Fougner | apt shooot apt |
| 13:26.35 | Fougner | apt shoot apt |
| 13:26.36 | apt | ACTION shoots apt in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 13:26.44 | badcloud | apt: tell a joke |
| 13:26.48 | Fougner | apt: commit suicide |
| 13:26.49 | apt | Hehe my survival instinct prevents me from killing myself |
| 13:27.01 | Fougner | apt shoot apt again |
| 13:27.02 | apt | ACTION shoots apt again in the head with a cork gun! |
| 13:27.02 | badcloud | hahahahahahaha |
| 13:27.13 | Fougner | oh, that would hurt |
| 13:27.23 | badcloud | survival instinct... |
| 13:27.24 | Fougner | apt shoot Dave |
| 13:27.24 | apt | ACTION shoots Dave in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 13:27.39 | Fougner | apt shoot the King of Sweden |
| 13:27.40 | apt | ACTION shoots the King of Sweden in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 13:27.40 | badcloud | apt, what time is it? |
| 13:27.42 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, badcloud |
| 13:27.52 | badcloud | your bot is a stoner |
| 13:27.54 | Fougner | apt, time |
| 13:27.55 | apt | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2008.12.01 13:27:55 GMT) |
| 13:28.00 | badcloud | ah |
| 13:28.20 | badcloud | impressive, the whole lot |
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| 13:28.36 | Fougner | with other words, 14.28 now =) |
| 13:28.45 | Fougner | or? |
| 13:28.46 | Fougner | o.O |
| 13:28.52 | Fougner | anyway |
| 13:28.59 | Fougner | I must pack |
| 13:29.09 | badcloud | but sewiously, what do you do? |
| 13:29.29 | Fougner | badcloud, nothing for the moment |
| 13:30.09 | Fougner | I quit my job, going to Austria now for some months |
| 13:30.30 | badcloud | cool |
| 13:30.36 | badcloud | what *did* you do, then? |
| 13:30.45 | Fougner | work =) |
| 13:31.00 | badcloud | what was your job? stalling? |
| 13:31.08 | Fougner | googles up stalling |
| 13:31.22 | badcloud | you know, like for time |
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| 13:31.52 | badcloud | nevermind |
| 13:31.57 | Fougner | o_O |
| 13:32.02 | Fougner | haha |
| 13:32.51 | Fougner | now I worked at an electronics department |
| 13:32.56 | Fougner | no* |
| 13:33.08 | Fougner | hmm, is it "an" or "a" ? |
| 13:33.16 | badcloud | an |
| 13:33.19 | Fougner | goood |
| 13:33.22 | Fougner | thought so |
| 13:33.35 | badcloud | that's cool |
| 13:33.43 | Fougner | hehe, well my englesh is faahr frohm purrfeckt |
| 13:33.53 | badcloud | would have fooled me |
| 13:33.54 | Fougner | ^.^ |
| 13:34.07 | Fougner | purrfeeckt |
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| 13:34.19 | Fougner | oh americaaaan |
| 13:34.31 | Fougner | John Sousa =D |
| 13:34.45 | badcloud | that's one Yank |
| 13:34.48 | Fougner | Stars and stripes =D |
| 13:34.58 | badcloud | yeah, he wrote that |
| 13:35.02 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:35.28 | Fougner | like, inofficial national anthem? |
| 13:35.38 | badcloud | do you know if there is support yet for using an ir keyboard? using a usb-->ir adapter of course |
| 13:35.49 | badcloud | hmmm, don't know about that |
| 13:35.53 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:36.02 | Fougner | hmm, nope |
| 13:36.04 | badcloud | Stars and Stripes would just be a patriotic fav |
| 13:36.24 | badcloud | I personally don't connect to that stuff, but me |
| 13:36.25 | badcloud | h |
| 13:36.28 | badcloud | *meh |
| 13:36.44 | Fougner | you have to get the right modules or drivers for the ir-adapter |
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| 13:36.50 | badcloud | 3right |
| 13:36.56 | badcloud | *right |
| 13:37.11 | Fougner | =D |
| 13:37.16 | badcloud | I was wondering if anyone has already tested it |
| 13:37.17 | Fougner | but nothing is impossible in linux you know |
| 13:37.21 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:37.21 | badcloud | right |
| 13:37.24 | Fougner | probably not |
| 13:37.32 | Fougner | openmoko isn't sooo big yet |
| 13:37.36 | Fougner | the community, that is |
| 13:37.39 | badcloud | true |
| 13:37.45 | Fougner | but we're growing |
| 13:37.46 | SpeedEvil | It's forked though to an extent. |
| 13:37.48 | badcloud | so where are you from? |
| 13:37.56 | SpeedEvil | Which confuses people. |
| 13:37.57 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, SAY WHAT? |
| 13:38.37 | Fougner | badcloud, me? |
| 13:38.47 | Fougner | listens to Stars and Stripes |
| 13:39.04 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: there are about eleventy different software stacks. |
| 13:39.13 | badcloud | yup, Foug |
| 13:40.04 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, yeah exactley.. I don't know it that's good or bad, but for me it's enough with 3 =) |
| 13:40.15 | Fougner | badcloud, swede, southeast |
| 13:40.35 | SpeedEvil | It's good if one works solidly. |
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| 13:40.51 | SpeedEvil | It's horrendously bad if none do, and effort is split amongst them. |
| 13:40.54 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, well, does one work solidly? ^^ |
| 13:41.01 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:41.10 | badcloud | apt, shoot himself_in_the_ass |
| 13:41.11 | apt | ACTION shoots himself_in_the_ass in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 13:41.32 | badcloud | crap |
| 13:41.38 | SpeedEvil | At least not as well as a nokia 3300 or similar |
| 13:41.42 | Fougner | apt, shoot himself in the ass and |
| 13:41.43 | apt | ACTION shoots himself in the ass and in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 13:42.03 | Fougner | qoh |
| 13:42.08 | Fougner | poor apt |
| 13:42.08 | badcloud | haha |
| 13:42.33 | Fougner | apt install windows |
| 13:42.34 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall windows-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 13:42.41 | badcloud | haha |
| 13:42.46 | Fougner | hmm |
| 13:42.51 | Fougner | I've heard of windows 3.1 |
| 13:42.57 | Fougner | or only DOS maybe? |
| 13:43.02 | Fougner | but not 4.xx |
| 13:43.12 | SpeedEvil | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1228138712969.jpg |
| 13:43.14 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:43.18 | SpeedEvil | (though worksafe) |
| 13:43.36 | Fougner | what is that? o_O |
| 13:43.47 | SpeedEvil | It's a fish. |
| 13:43.52 | SpeedEvil | Some sort of baby ray I think |
| 13:44.11 | badcloud | apt, install mac os |
| 13:44.12 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall mac os-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 13:44.29 | Fougner | "Can anyone buy me tickits to Indiaaa?" http://zip.4chan.org/trv/src/1228122633952.jpg |
| 13:45.16 | SpeedEvil | I se your cat, and raise you http://www.mauve.plus.com/1223712256105.jpg |
| 13:45.24 | badcloud | what does the kitten have to do with India?? |
| 13:45.49 | badcloud | apt, who is the prettiest one of all? |
| 13:45.51 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, badcloud |
| 13:46.28 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, that one is a cuuute bunny ^^ |
| 13:46.41 | Fougner | badcloud, haha he's got weird eyes ;) |
| 13:46.50 | Fougner | apt, are you pretty? |
| 13:47.11 | badcloud | ah... |
| 13:48.31 | Fougner | xD |
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| 13:50.18 | badcloud | the kitten's eyes are hypnotic... |
| 13:50.19 | CM_work | ~fish Fougner |
| 13:50.20 | apt | ACTION slaps Fougner around with a large trout |
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| 13:50.24 | CM_work | :D |
| 13:50.54 | badcloud | ~buffalo |
| 13:51.01 | Fougner | apt shoot CM_work |
| 13:51.02 | apt | ACTION shoots CM_work in the ear with a cork gun! |
| 13:51.07 | badcloud | ~buffalo badcloud |
| 13:51.19 | CM_work | ~beer badcloud |
| 13:51.19 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of Spaten Pils for badcloud |
| 13:51.28 | CM_work | ~zap Fougner |
| 13:51.28 | apt | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives Fougner a good jolt. |
| 13:51.41 | CM_work | ~seen Dave |
| 13:51.44 | apt | dave is currently on #openmoko (8d 20h 47m 12s). Has said a total of 942 messages. Is idling for 8h 18m 38s, last said: 'zash ;p'. |
| 13:51.52 | badcloud | apt, shoot some manjuice apt |
| 13:51.52 | apt | ACTION shoots some manjuice apt in the ear with a glue gun! |
| 13:52.05 | CM_work | Hehe |
| 13:52.09 | Fougner | ~seen Fougner |
| 13:52.09 | apt | fougner is currently on #openmoko (2d 19h 20m 14s). Has said a total of 534 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen Fougner '. |
| 13:52.10 | badcloud | can't get the syntax down |
| 13:52.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r4b4bfc0ef619 10/packages/python/python-etk_svn.bb: python-etk_svn.bb: increase PE again to *really* exceed asu.stable. |
| 13:52.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * red361ea0a1e2 10/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb: u-boot-openmoko-devel_git.bb: PE in asu.stable is 2, so this need to |
| 13:52.33 | CM_work | apt: blootbot |
| 13:52.33 | apt | i heard blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 13:52.33 | SpeedEvil | badcloud: the less successful sequel to BlackHawk Down |
| 13:53.09 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 13:53.29 | Fougner | CM_work, så vad händer på jobbet? ^.^ |
| 13:53.52 | CM_work | Fougner: Inte mycke, ganska lungt just nu :) |
| 13:54.06 | Fougner | skatteverket? :O |
| 13:54.11 | CM_work | Japp |
| 13:54.12 | CM_work | :P |
| 13:54.16 | Fougner | oj |
| 13:54.18 | CM_work | Konsult |
| 13:54.20 | Fougner | runs away |
| 13:54.24 | CM_work | Hehe |
| 13:54.31 | Fougner | coolt |
| 13:54.36 | CM_work | sends some IRS agents after Fougner |
| 13:54.40 | CM_work | :D |
| 13:55.03 | Fougner | ... No, please.... NOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:55.05 | CM_work | Är riktigt sura brandväggar här, men de har inte spärrat mibbit |
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| 13:55.15 | Fougner | hehe |
| 13:55.29 | Fougner | så vad konsultar du med? |
| 13:55.49 | CM_work | Utveckling, just nu java |
| 13:56.19 | CM_work | is sorry for hijacking the channel |
| 13:56.48 | CM_work | points to his GTA01 with SHR on and a WSOD as the excuse |
| 13:57.00 | Fougner | coolt, vad har du för utbildning i botten? =) |
| 13:57.27 | CM_work | Civ Ing Teknisk Fysik + 140 data, Umeå universitet |
| 13:57.37 | CM_work | 140p alltså :) |
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| 13:58.10 | Fougner | yeah, that's what I'm talking about |
| 14:00.14 | Fougner | CM_work, oj, nu är klockan tre ;) |
| 14:00.22 | CM_work | Ja, jag hör det |
| 14:00.34 | Fougner | haha |
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| 14:01.10 | CM_work | Does any other country have these stupid alarms every month? |
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| 14:09.29 | mmp | Hello, is there any way to log on ssh on *.projects.openmoko.org? all the manuals say "enter your password", but it looks like the ssh server has enabled only publickey access |
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| 14:12.07 | Your | connection has been closed. Please reconnect |
| 14:12.37 | very | funny |
| 14:12.40 | henk | Wonka: hehe ok |
| 14:13.00 | Fabrix | eheh |
| 14:13.55 | Zorkman | sean still hasen't released his new android image? |
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| 14:18.32 | SpawN | http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=217840 |
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| 14:19.29 | Blackhex | hi, I just tried today's OM testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ and the boot process stucks on step "Configuring update-modules". Is it a known issue? |
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| 14:26.57 | CM_work | mmp: You have to upload your ssh key first |
| 14:27.05 | mmp | CM_work: how? |
| 14:27.30 | mmp | I browsed probably every page in web interface and couldn't find dialog to do that... |
| 14:27.47 | CM_work | I think it should be in your user preferences somewhere |
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| 14:30.43 | mmp | CM_work: got it; thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:37.22 | Fougner | mmp, heeey |
| 14:37.31 | Fougner | is the project accepted? =) |
| 14:38.19 | Tm_T | "the project" ? |
| 14:38.49 | Fougner | Tm_T yeaaaaaah |
| 14:38.51 | Fougner | exactley =D |
| 14:39.13 | Tm_T | dunno which one you're referring to but mine was accepted years ago |
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| 14:43.44 | Fougner | Tm_T, I asked mmp =) |
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| 14:52.36 | badcloud | apt, shoot some heroine |
| 14:52.37 | apt | ACTION shoots some heroine in the foot with a glue gun! |
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| 14:53.18 | zash | sounds painful |
| 14:53.47 | Tm_T | as it should be |
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| 14:55.09 | badcloud | apt, shoot some morphene for the pain |
| 14:55.10 | apt | ACTION shoots some morphene for the pain in the head with a phase pistol! |
| 14:55.31 | badcloud | hmmm, not sure about the spellingthere |
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| 14:57.59 | Fougner | haha |
| 14:58.31 | Fougner | badcloud, morphine ;) |
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| 14:59.53 | henk | more-fine |
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| 15:03.14 | Fougner | xD |
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| 15:08.47 | Fougner | Shhh, DocScrutinizer is here |
| 15:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm omnipresent ;-) |
| 15:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | even if you don't know or expect to |
| 15:11.18 | Wonka | *g* |
| 15:11.34 | Wonka | still found no time to look further into my ppp issue... |
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| 15:13.38 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, oh :O |
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| 15:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | Fougner: haha;; Fougner: badcloud, morphine ;);; henk: more-fine;; Fougner: xD |
| 15:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 15:15.41 | Fougner | omfg |
| 15:15.46 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? |
| 15:15.50 | Fougner | the logs? |
| 15:16.01 | Fougner | hehe |
| 15:16.01 | slaxxin | my alarm on shr woke me up |
| 15:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | Im always and everywhere ;-D |
| 15:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | look at my *name* |
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| 15:17.59 | slaxxin | the latest omtesting any good? |
| 15:18.20 | Fougner | slaxxin, booted it up in under a minute ;) |
| 15:18.26 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, what? |
| 15:18.29 | slaxxin | really |
| 15:18.46 | Fougner | ah, lol, DocScrutinizer2 |
| 15:18.46 | slaxxin | have gps an such? |
| 15:18.55 | Fougner | slaxxin, opkg install tangogps |
| 15:18.57 | slaxxin | wifi? |
| 15:19.09 | Fougner | hmm, out of the box, can't see anything |
| 15:19.14 | slaxxin | ok |
| 15:19.24 | slaxxin | settings only? |
| 15:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | Fougner: I'm known by *many* names >:-) |
| 15:19.31 | Fougner | but probably it will work with diversity-wifi |
| 15:19.53 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, bleh.. never trust a electronics engineer |
| 15:19.57 | Fougner | an* |
| 15:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:20.11 | Fougner | oh, electronics |
| 15:20.18 | Fougner | you know about voltage and stuff then? =D |
| 15:20.26 | Fougner | like, U = R*I? ^.^ |
| 15:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'm supposed to |
| 15:20.50 | Fougner | haha |
| 15:20.54 | Fougner | but you don't |
| 15:21.10 | Fougner | you engineered the FR yourself? =P |
| 15:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | Fougner: then probably I wouldn't constatntly fix errors. Either because there weren't any, or I didn't find them because they were my own |
| 15:23.11 | Fougner | haha, what do I know ? :P |
| 15:23.37 | Fougner | what errors ?=P |
| 15:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | you know it's always the hardest task to find the errors you produced by yourself |
| 15:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | (what errors) like buzz, e.g.? |
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| 15:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | or missing low freq on headset? |
| 15:25.20 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, what do I know? ^^ |
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| 15:25.30 | Fougner | you assume I know about them.. |
| 15:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | you repeat yourself |
| 15:25.45 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, yes that I know of |
| 15:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | you asked |
| 15:26.03 | Fougner | apt shoot DocScrutinizer |
| 15:26.04 | apt | ACTION shoots DocScrutinizer in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 15:26.06 | Fougner | =D |
| 15:26.30 | Zorkman | meh don't shoot the doc |
| 15:26.33 | Zorkman | we need him |
| 15:26.43 | Fougner | Zorkman, it's just a cork gun :O |
| 15:26.51 | bernt | apt shoot apt! |
| 15:26.52 | apt | ACTION shoots apt! in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 15:27.03 | Fougner | hehe |
| 15:27.09 | slaxxin | doc,,,, DOOOOOCV |
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| 15:27.19 | slaxxin | DOOOOOC |
| 15:27.32 | Zorkman | can't reach http://shr.bearstech.com/ on host or FR... very strange... |
| 15:27.34 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.37 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer, so when is the next release of the updated Freerunner? |
| 15:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | <no match on keywords> |
| 15:28.11 | Fougner | what? o.O |
| 15:28.23 | slaxxin | haha |
| 15:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, that's production. I'm EE research and development |
| 15:29.46 | Fougner | aha |
| 15:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | or, to be more precise: "hardware and synergy" |
| 15:30.24 | Fougner | you're not integrating stuff and so on.. just research and try to fix problems? :PÃ… |
| 15:30.26 | Fougner | :P* |
| 15:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | come to visit me and see one of my 19h workdays |
| 15:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | then compete and do better |
| 15:31.36 | Fougner | oh, can I ? |
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| 15:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | I won't pay for it |
| 15:32.10 | Fougner | I'm just disturbing the rest :P |
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| 15:32.22 | Fougner | but I can get coffee for you ^^ |
| 15:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm used to that, no big thing to fetch it myself. But thanks |
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| 15:33.40 | Fougner | ^^ |
| 15:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | A good cup of latte macciato in the morning, even before getting out of bed, very appreciated ;-) |
| 15:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | a glas even |
| 15:36.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | wheather getting better recently here in Taipei, so you only need a warm sleepingbag and can camp in the nearby forrest XD |
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| 15:37.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | weather even |
| 15:37.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | Fougner: beware of the moskitos though |
| 15:37.54 | Wonka | Forrest Gump? |
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| 15:41.04 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, yeah I will =D |
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| 15:41.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | tell me which flight, and maybe we can arrange some taxi from airport for you |
| 15:42.05 | Fougner | haha |
| 15:42.37 | Fougner | yeah I'll catch a plane tomorrow, where's the office? ;) |
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| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | the taxi will take you there |
| 15:44.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | yan guang rd 300 |
| 15:44.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | see wiki |
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| 15:45.43 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, you're kidding me, aren't you? =) |
| 15:46.09 | DocScrutinizer2 | who's kidding whom? |
| 15:46.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | you won't get a flight for tomorrow |
| 15:46.38 | Fougner | hahah, what the |
| 15:47.54 | Fougner | http://www.justpasha.org/folk/whowhat.html |
| 15:48.09 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, you can't be serious? |
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| 15:54.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | Fougner: great link! :-D |
| 15:54.53 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2 yeah I know ;OP |
| 15:54.54 | Fougner | ;P* |
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| 15:57.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | Fougner: of course I'm kidding you. Probably it's cumbersome to camp in this forest on the hill nearby, and you wouldn't like to sit all the day next to me watching me reading manuals and datasheets |
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| 15:58.58 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, never say never, just get me a bed and I'll do whatever you tell me to, as long as it's somehow related "development" and "openmoko" ;D |
| 15:59.17 | Fougner | uhm, haha, leave out the first part |
| 15:59.38 | Fougner | I meant, arrange a place to sleep |
| 15:59.47 | Fougner | or do you guys need to sleep down there? o.O |
| 16:00.24 | Guilt | hey openmos \o/ |
| 16:00.44 | Guilt | i got my debug board, havent used mine neo in a long time. how is it going, all |
| 16:00.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | actually OM-apartment is crowded atm :-/ |
| 16:01.05 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, hehe, cool |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r834a1418ed6c 10/fsod/ (11 files in 10 dirs): |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Fix mem leaks in |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: ODeviced.get_device() |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: input-helpers.c |
| 16:01.15 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add GetTimeOuts in idlenotifier plugin |
| 16:01.16 | CIA-24 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Fix some warnings |
| 16:01.18 | Fougner | I guess people sleep on each other then :P |
| 16:01.35 | Guilt | sleep with?? |
| 16:01.47 | Tm_T | no, on |
| 16:02.03 | Guilt | sleeping on sounds more evil ;) |
| 16:02.13 | Tm_T | as it should |
| 16:02.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah, tomorrow a 4th person will check in, then we actually have that problem |
| 16:02.45 | Fougner | haha |
| 16:03.03 | [Rui] | hi all |
| 16:03.09 | Dave | Look out, there's snipers camping in the woods! |
| 16:03.31 | Tm_T | Dave: I am not in the woods, though from the woods |
| 16:03.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | Dave: nah, not here |
| 16:03.39 | Dave | :) |
| 16:03.51 | Dave | Joerg, do the mosquitos like you? |
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| 16:04.36 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup, bite me badly Sunday a week ago when I had a walk in the morning |
| 16:04.49 | Fougner | Joerg? =D |
| 16:04.56 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, what country are you from? =) |
| 16:05.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | D |
| 16:05.10 | Fougner | DE? |
| 16:05.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:05.51 | Fougner | seems a lot of openmoko guys come from Germany ^^ |
| 16:06.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | hmm yeah quite some |
| 16:06.31 | henk | it seems a lot of opensource guys come from germany... half debian seems to be german sometimes... |
| 16:07.03 | Fougner | real german handcraft ^^ |
| 16:07.13 | gromgull | henk: yes I wonder what it is about germans that lead them to contribute and lead open source projects so quickly... |
| 16:07.26 | gromgull | KDE's Akademy was also at least 50% german |
| 16:07.55 | [Rui] | anyone on keyboard with experience with FSO building? |
| 16:08.01 | ronny | somehow i still have a surprisingly hard time to find opensource companies in germany |
| 16:08.06 | [Rui] | http://pastebin.com/m76dbae4c |
| 16:08.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | for the hw team we got TW-staff almost |
| 16:08.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | exclusively |
| 16:08.28 | gromgull | ronny: Try universities :) |
| 16:08.38 | ronny | gromgull: im a student already ;P |
| 16:08.40 | henk | gromgull: if you find out, tell me ;) |
| 16:09.03 | henk | ronny: the only ones i can think of atm are SuSE perhaps and credativ |
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| 16:09.10 | ronny | gromgull: but i'd like twice the pay |
| 16:09.24 | gromgull | I work at DFKI - we pay twice what university does and there is lots of OS |
| 16:09.42 | gromgull | I guess also Frauenhofer and even Max Planck pay better than uni and do OS a lot |
| 16:09.49 | Dave | Joerg, I'm sure you get along though, right? :) |
| 16:10.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-x |
| 16:10.36 | Dave | :x |
| 16:10.38 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, hahaha why? :P |
| 16:10.47 | Dave | He'd clearly rather not say :p |
| 16:11.07 | Dave | slaps Fougner around with some pizza dough |
| 16:12.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | first of all I don't know chinese, neither spoken nor kanji |
| 16:12.39 | Dave | That certainly doesn't help :) |
| 16:12.47 | Dave | But everyone is still nice, right? |
| 16:12.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:12.59 | Fougner | how can you communicate with them then? ^^ |
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| 16:13.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | english? |
| 16:13.36 | Dave | Pictographs? |
| 16:13.40 | Dave | Pictionary!? :D |
| 16:14.15 | Fougner | DocScrutinizer2, oh, sorry haha |
| 16:14.23 | Dave | It's... it's... it's a 22000µF cap! |
| 16:14.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 16:14.43 | Dave | claps |
| 16:15.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | 22mF, quite decent, yeah |
| 16:15.18 | Dave | :] |
| 16:15.45 | Dave | Joerg, it's surprising how expensive large capacity caps can be :| |
| 16:15.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | should suggest a rework, just to see the reactions :) |
| 16:15.53 | Dave | I make a habit not to drop them in the lab :D |
| 16:15.57 | Dave | haha |
| 16:17.14 | Dave | Now, if only my 33mF caps could fit in the phone... ;p |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | would fix buzz and boot w/o bat same time - lol |
| 16:18.45 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:19.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | well, at least those are fixed issues anyway |
| 16:19.04 | Dave | but I'd have a huge cap strapped to the back of it ;p |
| 16:19.08 | Dave | yeah |
| 16:19.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | funny enough, both need a 100uF |
| 16:20.00 | Dave | hmm |
| 16:20.11 | Dave | interesting |
| 16:20.17 | Dave | you tested, right? |
| 16:20.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | yup |
| 16:20.39 | Dave | you don't need bigger? :) |
| 16:21.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | hey ninex, don't find the right leetspeak? |
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| 16:21.42 | Dave | hah |
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| 16:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: a couple of 10uF/400V soldered parallel are much more fun when shorting than a 22mF :] |
| 16:31.59 | bumbl | henk: suse is german too |
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| 16:33.02 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:33.35 | bumbl | ahh |
| 16:33.42 | bumbl | I am a bit behind in reading up |
| 16:34.30 | Fougner | DAVE! |
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| 16:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | bumbl: yeah SuSE is ~1000m away from my flat |
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| 16:57.08 | bumbl | DocScrutinizer: really ... nice |
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| 17:01.37 | Fougner | haha, DocScrutinizer that's cool |
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| 17:06.48 | Fougner | why can't I resume from suspend in the latest OM-testing? ^^ |
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| 17:16.33 | Zorkman | i can ping every site (on host and on Fr) but i can't ping www.bearstech.com, although it seems everybody else can.... |
| 17:16.40 | Zorkman | anybody have an explanation for this? |
| 17:17.13 | Fougner | Zorkman, someone's hacked you xD |
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| 17:18.18 | bumbl | Zorkman: your providers dns server is out of date |
| 17:19.16 | bumbl | try to ping 193.84.18.51 |
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| 17:20.59 | slaxxin | yay |
| 17:21.33 | Zorkman | root@om-gta02 ~ $ ping 193.84.18.51 |
| 17:21.34 | Zorkman | PING 193.84.18.51 (193.84.18.51): 56 data bytes |
| 17:21.34 | Zorkman | ping: sendto: Network is unreachable |
| 17:21.40 | slaxxin | wow |
| 17:22.09 | slaxxin | surly no caps |
| 17:22.38 | bumbl | hmmm |
| 17:22.59 | slaxxin | this would be the place to find very good hackers:) |
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| 17:24.09 | slaxxin | vewy vewy good hackers |
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| 17:25.57 | Fougner | slaxxin, yeaaaaah |
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| 17:27.51 | paulproteus | Zorkman, What if you try to traceroute there? |
| 17:27.57 | paulproteus | It's probably an inter-ISP routing issue. |
| 17:28.12 | paulproteus | You could try other IPs in the same netblock and discover you can't reach them, either. |
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| 17:29.28 | Zorkman | ping 193.84.18.51 works now |
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| 17:37.05 | Zorkman | bah |
| 17:37.28 | Zorkman | i edited my opkg to http://193.84.18.51/shr-testing/ipk/all/Packages.gz but that doesn't work |
| 17:37.37 | Zorkman | is there a way i can update? |
| 17:38.09 | bumbl | don't upgrade |
| 17:38.11 | bumbl | :p |
| 17:38.32 | Zorkman | why not? it's already unusable :p |
| 17:39.11 | bumbl | :p |
| 17:39.54 | gromez | don't use the IP but DNS |
| 17:40.05 | gromez | Zorkman: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/all/Packages.gz |
| 17:40.08 | gromez | it works |
| 17:40.19 | Zorkman | it doesn't work for me gromez |
| 17:40.21 | bumbl | gromez: not for Zorkman |
| 17:40.37 | gromez | try with opendns |
| 17:40.37 | bumbl | it seems as if his isp has some problems |
| 17:40.49 | bumbl | gromez: it would work with the ip |
| 17:41.12 | bumbl | opendns can't do magic and make an unreachable network reachable |
| 17:41.21 | gromez | bumbl: no, if shr.bearstech.com is a vhost, it should not work... |
| 17:41.56 | bumbl | Zorkman: opkg update; opkg upgrade does not output anything |
| 17:43.23 | Zorkman | bumbl: nope, it just says "failed to download" and for open dns, i have nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 17:43.23 | Zorkman | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 17:43.33 | Zorkman | aren't those opendns servers already? |
| 17:44.02 | slaxxin | can u go anywhere at all? |
| 17:44.20 | bumbl | no Zorkman: you don't need to try |
| 17:44.33 | bumbl | nothing to upgrade |
| 17:44.34 | bumbl | here |
| 17:44.54 | bumbl | and the last time I upgraded was on saturday |
| 17:45.01 | Zorkman | slaxxin: i can reach everything i try, except bearstech |
| 17:45.10 | Zorkman | ok thanks bumbl |
| 17:45.27 | Zorkman | anyway, once there is a new android image i'll try it i think; just can't use SHR as a phone anymore |
| 17:45.29 | slaxxin | how about hosts,deny? |
| 17:46.02 | bumbl | Zorkman: why not? |
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| 17:46.23 | Zorkman | bumbl: it eats my sms'es |
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| 17:46.48 | Zorkman | it wakes from suspend, i get a notification about "new sms", but i can't read the text, it just doesn't appear, also not in the messages app |
| 17:46.59 | Zorkman | when i put my sim in a 'normal' cellphone, i can read them |
| 17:47.14 | bumbl | ? |
| 17:47.16 | Zorkman | (it doesn't happen all the time, but lately it's been like 7/10 times it eats the sms) |
| 17:47.21 | bumbl | I never got that |
| 17:47.27 | Zorkman | i can also only store 20sms's on my sim |
| 17:47.53 | Zorkman | and it stores the sent messages, so after a while my simcard is full, and i can't delete the sent sms; so i have to put it again in a different phone |
| 17:48.22 | bumbl | hehe that's bad |
| 17:48.31 | bumbl | I can store plenty of sms on my sim card |
| 17:50.37 | Zorkman | did the gps worked in the previous release of android? |
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| 17:51.37 | gromez | there was a gps app in the previous release ? |
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| 17:52.32 | bumbl | gromez: google maps |
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| 17:54.17 | Zorkman | bumbl; could it be used offline? i guess not |
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| 17:54.35 | lindi- | is wiki down? |
| 17:54.41 | lindi- | blah, wrong project ;) |
| 17:55.02 | bumbl | Zorkman: google + offline = impossible |
| 17:55.15 | Zorkman | it could cache the tiles |
| 17:55.18 | Zorkman | like tangogps... |
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| 17:57.22 | Fougner | exactley! |
| 17:58.14 | Fougner | one thing I really would like TangoGPS to have, is the possibility to download all the zoom-levels at once |
| 17:58.23 | Fougner | not just +1, or +2, or +3, or +4 |
| 17:59.12 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 17:59.23 | SpeedEvil | You do realise you're saying you want to download some terabytes? |
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| 18:00.04 | bumbl | that wouldn't be google |
| 18:00.05 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, that depends on the area, right |
| 18:00.26 | SpeedEvil | Fougner: if you want to download all zoom levels at once globally |
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| 18:00.33 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, lol, nooo |
| 18:00.35 | Fougner | not globally |
| 18:00.36 | Fougner | hahah |
| 18:00.37 | SpeedEvil | you can download to a given depth from the current view |
| 18:00.39 | Fougner | of course not |
| 18:00.44 | SpeedEvil | for example, 5 levels deeper |
| 18:00.59 | SpeedEvil | which gives you 2^2n tiles |
| 18:01.03 | Fougner | you sure it's not ONLY +5 levels from the view? |
| 18:01.23 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 18:01.35 | Fougner | "download TO a given depth" |
| 18:01.39 | Zorkman | some android news on community list |
| 18:01.42 | SpeedEvil | If you're zoomed into level 4, you click 'download 3 levels' and it downloads 5,6,7,8 |
| 18:01.44 | Fougner | sounds to me you mean this |
| 18:01.46 | SpeedEvil | If you're zoomed into level 4, you click 'download 3 levels' and it downloads 5,6,7 |
| 18:01.57 | SpeedEvil | which is 8^2 tiles |
| 18:02.00 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, you sure+ |
| 18:02.02 | Fougner | ?* |
| 18:02.07 | Fougner | not just 7? |
| 18:02.12 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 18:02.15 | SpeedEvil | 7^2 |
| 18:02.17 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 18:02.41 | Fougner | err |
| 18:02.52 | SpeedEvil | level 5 is 4 tiles, 5 is 16, 6 is 64 |
| 18:02.58 | Fougner | I thought the tiles were individually rendered pics |
| 18:03.03 | SpeedEvil | they are |
| 18:03.33 | SpeedEvil | you download 3 deepeer than a given view, and it fetches the tiles that comprise that view at that zoom level. |
| 18:04.01 | SpeedEvil | as the zoom doubles every level, then zooming once multiplies the number of tiles per area by 4 |
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| 18:04.23 | SpeedEvil | Anyway, you don't want that. |
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| 18:04.38 | SpeedEvil | What you really want is a nice renderer that renders from compressed OSM data in some form. |
| 18:04.51 | SpeedEvil | And supports dynamic updates. |
| 18:04.56 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think that exists. |
| 18:05.04 | Fougner | SpeedEvil, but TangoGPS does not do that,exactley |
| 18:05.06 | Fougner | too bad =( |
| 18:05.22 | Fougner | but, when I'm in zoom level 10 and downloads +6 |
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| 18:06.00 | SpeedEvil | I think the top level is 16 |
| 18:06.00 | Fougner | I'll get zoom level 10-16 in that area? |
| 18:06.00 | Dave | Get a SDHC which can hold the entire world! |
| 18:06.00 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:06.00 | Fougner | no |
| 18:06.00 | Fougner | 17 |
| 18:06.00 | Fougner | =) |
| 18:06.01 | SpeedEvil | the visible area |
| 18:06.01 | Fougner | well |
| 18:06.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: where can I buy this several terabyte SD? |
| 18:06.11 | Dave | Dude it's not that much. |
| 18:06.17 | Dave | Some people here have already done it |
| 18:06.22 | Fougner | I've downloaded a lot.. at least it feels like that.. and I've only used a few hundred MBs |
| 18:06.55 | Dave | it's funny because most of it is useless ocean :D |
| 18:07.00 | Dave | haw |
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| 18:12.46 | nicfer | would be there a separate project of openmoko to cover low-end phones? (like my sony ericsson w200) |
| 18:12.54 | bumbl | hmm tangogps + routing function would be cool |
| 18:13.36 | bumbl | no rendering but routing with the vector cards |
| 18:14.40 | bumbl | which will be displayed using an overlay |
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| 18:19.26 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: the fundamental problem is that lower end phones don't run linux. |
| 18:19.33 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: Or are not capable of it |
| 18:19.51 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: this raises _enormously_ the burden of writing a new software packager |
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| 18:21.18 | Fougner | hehe |
| 18:21.24 | Fougner | linux on my G900 xD |
| 18:23.49 | nicfer | oh, for those phones we'll need a dedicated kernel right? |
| 18:26.13 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: to an extent, probably. |
| 18:26.23 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: the other problem is a generic stack is much harder. |
| 18:26.24 | b0ib0t2 | wonder if i could get linux on my old blackberry |
| 18:26.48 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: for example, for every phone, you need to work out how to load software on it. This may be very hard in some cases. |
| 18:27.05 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: then you need to write drivers, possibly for chips with no published data at all. |
| 18:27.31 | mwester | nicfer: that's rather like saying that in order to make a bicycle function as a spacecraft, it would need a dedicated engine... there's rather a lot more too it than the kernel. |
| 18:27.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | gnnnaaaah. |
| 18:27.34 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: and in many of the low-end phones cases, the GSM chip also runs the applications. This means that you need to do hard-real-time. |
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| 18:27.40 | Fougner | nicfer, probably linux on a low-end sonyericsson is a dream only =) |
| 18:27.48 | bricode | b0ib0t2: I would be surprised if you could. RIM does interesting work in tightly integrating their h/w and OS. |
| 18:27.53 | mwester | Not to mention pointless. |
| 18:28.10 | mwester | What could it do that the existing software doesn't do? |
| 18:28.30 | mwester | best to expend the effort on the family of smartphones that are more interesting... |
| 18:28.41 | SpeedEvil | That too. |
| 18:28.59 | SpeedEvil | Though look at the thousands of apps that palm OS has. |
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| 18:29.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | look at the emu they have for maemo |
| 18:29.49 | SpeedEvil | The original palm that is. |
| 18:29.55 | Fougner | I mean, there's no reason to make linux work on a w200 for example |
| 18:30.36 | Fougner | extremely small screen, a numeric keyboard, nothing else.. |
| 18:30.49 | Fougner | hopeless to get something running on it xD |
| 18:30.57 | SpeedEvil | I disagree - somewhat. |
| 18:31.10 | b0ib0t2 | i have heard that many times... that there is no point |
| 18:31.13 | b0ib0t2 | funny |
| 18:31.20 | SpeedEvil | If you could make it an effort that was portable - then there is a big point. |
| 18:31.22 | Fougner | okay, nothing is impossible, but anyway |
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| 18:31.42 | b0ib0t2 | does there need to be a point? |
| 18:31.44 | SpeedEvil | If you're doing it for one phone - then no |
| 18:31.52 | nicfer | oh, because I thought if there are open firmwares for portable media players why not for phones? |
| 18:31.54 | Fougner | b0ib0t2, nope |
| 18:32.06 | SpeedEvil | Consider the thousands of apps from the early palm days that could work on that sort of phone with numeric input for example. |
| 18:32.10 | Fougner | nicfer, you've got a point there |
| 18:32.15 | Fougner | a small one |
| 18:32.15 | b0ib0t2 | the point i supposed would be that it would be a fantastic learning experience :D |
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| 18:32.20 | SpeedEvil | nicfer: for one or two brands of music players |
| 18:32.36 | mb___ | if I have a patch to openmoko's openembedded, where to send it to for inclusion? |
| 18:32.44 | Fougner | b0ib0t2, hackers sometimes do things, because they can.. |
| 18:32.47 | slaxxin | maybe because of the FCC |
| 18:33.14 | Fougner | slaxxin, say what? :P |
| 18:33.35 | mwester | mb___: you could email it to the distro (or kernel) list, but if the patch fixes a problem, you can open a bug on the Openmoko bug tracker. |
| 18:33.55 | mb___ | It fixes compilation on ppc64. |
| 18:34.29 | mb___ | I think I'll send it to the list. (I don't like bug trackers very much :P) |
| 18:35.53 | mb___ | rwhitby: Huge thanks for the makefile, btw. |
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| 18:51.44 | Fougner | where can I get the new android image? ^^ |
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| 18:55.18 | Dave | You don't. |
| 18:55.20 | Dave | It gets you! |
| 18:55.37 | LostInSpace | lol |
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| 19:02.23 | Zorkman | Fougner: it's not there yet i think |
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| 19:02.39 | Fougner | Zorkman, oh =( |
| 19:02.46 | Fougner | Shhh, jonkristian is here |
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| 19:09.17 | CVirus | http://events.nokia.com/countdown/ |
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| 19:12.06 | tuxi | CVirus: what happens then? |
| 19:12.19 | CVirus | we'll wait and see :-) |
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| 19:13.20 | pieterc | it's the conference of nokia |
| 19:13.21 | pieterc | no? |
| 19:13.38 | igor321 | it should be |
| 19:13.55 | igor321 | but they'll also announce some bombass linux-powered shiny products |
| 19:14.06 | igor321 | one can only hope :) |
| 19:14.42 | Zorkman | i think it'll be the n82 |
| 19:15.08 | igor321 | yeah, or 83 |
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| 19:17.32 | sda00 | hi guys, sorry to bother, one question: is 'enlightenment_remote' available along with 'illume' gui config? thanks. |
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| 19:24.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8b127a215ec5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tichy: This project moved from svn to git, catch up |
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| 19:35.00 | henk | bumbl: yes, but i'm not sure if you can call that opensource software... |
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| 19:37.43 | Zorkman | TAsn: siglaunchd is Most Active This Week on projects.openmoko.org, congrats :) |
| 19:38.32 | pieterc | http://koolu.com/images/stories/WEphone_builtin_lg.jpg ==> ... wth? |
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| 19:45.24 | TAsn | Zorkman, hehe yeah, I saw it ;] |
| 19:45.24 | TAsn | though I'm the only one active |
| 19:45.24 | doc|home | pieterc: o.O |
| 19:45.24 | TAsn | people don't post bugs/suggestions ;] |
| 19:45.26 | TAsn | I think I should rewrite it in c soon enough |
| 19:45.28 | TAsn | pieterc, it's cool except for the mac design ;] |
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| 19:45.30 | pieterc | It's the 'next version' according to koolu ;) |
| 19:45.30 | pieterc | http://koolu.com/News/Koolu-News.html |
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| 19:52.18 | balrog-kun | wonders if ericthefish is a relative of Eric The Half-bee |
| 19:52.48 | ericthefish | half a bee is not a bee ;) |
| 19:54.15 | balrog-kun | yes, due to some ancient injury :p |
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| 20:02.26 | jonkristian | Hey gang |
| 20:02.31 | jonkristian | Anything new in the horizon? |
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| 20:03.59 | Zorkman | ANDROID |
| 20:04.15 | jonkristian | orly? |
| 20:04.39 | jonkristian | i did an opkg update/upgrade right now in shr, nothing/nada/zip :/ |
| 20:05.00 | Zorkman | if you use a good looking glass i think you might catch a glance of it on the horizon :) |
| 20:05.23 | Zorkman | i can no longer reach bearstech.com, but my informants tell me there has been no updates since saterday |
| 20:05.46 | Zorkman | a military action of the Conch Republic might have something to do with it |
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| 20:06.53 | jonkristian | ah |
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| 20:08.59 | Sargun | Who are these bears tech people? |
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| 20:09.15 | Sargun | and why do they sound criminal? |
| 20:09.43 | igor321 | you don't wanna mess with those guys, man |
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| 20:09.55 | Batchy | those are openmoko's resellers in france |
| 20:10.02 | bumbl_ | Sargun: they are a shop |
| 20:10.05 | Zorkman | Sargun: change your nick and location because they are crazy mofo's! |
| 20:10.09 | bumbl_ | www.bearstech.com |
| 20:10.16 | Zorkman | I bought two FR at bearstech |
| 20:10.58 | Zorkman | they're loaded with guns'shit, drugs, you know... and miniature terrorists |
| 20:11.18 | Sargun | haha |
| 20:11.19 | jonkristian | with bombs |
| 20:11.26 | emsyr | I've bought mine from bearstech too. |
| 20:11.50 | Zorkman | emsyr: step away from it, slowly! |
| 20:12.21 | jonkristian | don't push the round one |
| 20:12.31 | emsyr | Zorkman: what do you mean? |
| 20:13.09 | Zorkman | that those freerunners are rigged! |
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| 20:13.28 | emsyr | I already got mine. |
| 20:13.48 | Zorkman | they removed glamo bandwith to put it more uranium |
| 20:13.56 | Zorkman | s/it/in |
| 20:15.09 | emsyr | There is no return:-[ |
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| 20:25.27 | emsyr | Zorkman: have you get the FRs? |
| 20:26.04 | Zorkman | yeah, somewhere in july |
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| 20:26.22 | Zorkman | one had a broken gps, they sent a new one |
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| 20:33.12 | henk | how can i prevent a module from being loaded? (apart from deleting it) |
| 20:33.23 | henk | in om2008.9 |
| 20:33.59 | bipak_ | a kernel module? |
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| 20:34.06 | bipak_ | afaik there is no kernel module loaded |
| 20:34.09 | henk | yes |
| 20:34.20 | bipak_ | its all compiled in |
| 20:34.21 | henk | oh, sorry... it's fdom |
| 20:34.32 | henk | damn, i wanted to reflash to latest om |
| 20:34.38 | bipak_ | :) |
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| 20:34.41 | bipak_ | hmm dunno |
| 20:34.50 | bipak_ | grep for it in /etc/* |
| 20:35.20 | henk | i think it's loaded by gesd from accelges... evbug, event interface debugging for the accelerometers. |
| 20:35.25 | henk | i did, nothing though. |
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| 20:38.52 | Zoup | keywords Om2008.11 added on trac means they are going to fix on 2008.11 ? :)) |
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| 20:39.08 | Zoup | i wonder if http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1662 is still an issue |
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| 21:48.26 | quatrox | trying to boot with Qi but nothing happens |
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| 22:01.26 | abatrour | hey, can anyone help me? I'm trying to update my u-boot so i can boot off ext2, but it doesn't update |
| 22:01.48 | quatrox | abatrour: yes? |
| 22:01.52 | tifereth | can't you boot from ext2 with the shipped uboot? |
| 22:02.13 | abatrour | but i just said im trying to update my uboot to do so.. |
| 22:02.18 | abatrour | i read that its possible |
| 22:02.20 | quatrox | tifereth: no, only fat |
| 22:02.56 | abatrour | well then the script to install debian is retarded cause it automatically formats the partition for me |
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| 22:03.29 | quatrox | abatrour: what exactly do you need help with? |
| 22:04.16 | abatrour | i have tried booting into nor and nand to flash the uboot, my nor wont update but my nand does |
| 22:04.27 | abatrour | but i still cant boot off my my microsd card |
| 22:05.30 | quatrox | abatrour: you need a debug board in order to update nor |
| 22:05.36 | quatrox | nor is backup only |
| 22:05.38 | abatrour | basically, i just finished following the guide to install debian on my microsd card, it finished, but it says it cant find uImage on the partition |
| 22:06.08 | abatrour | i read updating the uboot allows for booting off of ext2 instead of just fat16, but it still doesn't allow me |
| 22:06.19 | quatrox | do you have /boot/uImage.bin on the first partition? |
| 22:07.03 | abatrour | the debian script doesn't automatically do it? |
| 22:07.04 | quatrox | abatrour, in order to boot from ext2, you must modify the u-boot env |
| 22:07.33 | quatrox | I never tried the debian distro |
| 22:07.41 | quatrox | but I guess it does |
| 22:08.02 | quatrox | but why do you need ext2? |
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| 22:08.25 | abatrour | thats the way the debian script does it |
| 22:08.32 | quatrox | ahh |
| 22:08.35 | abatrour | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 22:10.15 | quatrox | ahh... it only uses on partition |
| 22:10.58 | quatrox | I will see if I can create a env-file |
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| 22:11.54 | abatrour | i really dislike that guide lol, halfway down the page, it tells u how to run the install so it makes a small fat partition at the beginning..... |
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| 22:12.05 | abatrour | like wtf, that should be at the very beginning |
| 22:12.25 | abatrour | its so nice to read that AFTER doing an hour long install :P |
| 22:12.26 | lindi- | abatrour: fat is not supported afaik |
| 22:12.35 | lindi- | abatrour: it does not do symlinks |
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| 22:12.44 | lindi- | abatrour: and the kernel packages will make symlinks in the future |
| 22:12.54 | quatrox | lindi-: fat is supported for uboot by default |
| 22:13.04 | lindi- | quatrox: for uboot yes but not for debian |
| 22:13.15 | abatrour | "Set boot partition to be vfat by running SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all. Now you do not need to mess with modifying U-Boot's default setup," |
| 22:13.30 | lindi- | abatrour: but that is not good in long-term |
| 22:13.38 | abatrour | im going to edit the guide, its just plain stupid |
| 22:13.49 | lindi- | abatrour: symlinks are stupid? |
| 22:13.59 | abatrour | it makes an 8mb partition for uimage, then the rest is ext2 |
| 22:14.04 | abatrour | ext2 for debian |
| 22:14.13 | quatrox | that is logic |
| 22:14.19 | quatrox | it is the easiest way |
| 22:14.23 | lindi- | abatrour: please don't, pkg-fso-maint mailing list is getting mail about people using vfat for /boot and failing kernel upgrades |
| 22:14.27 | abatrour | but why they tell u that AFTERWARDS is just dumb |
| 22:14.37 | abatrour | so now i have to do it all over again :P |
| 22:14.50 | abatrour | oh man |
| 22:15.00 | lindi- | i think we better just remove vfat instructions from that page |
| 22:15.20 | abatrour | well then someone needs to make a new u-boot that has already been edited |
| 22:15.35 | lindi- | install.sh can modify uboot env |
| 22:15.44 | quatrox | abatrour: you basically have two options: |
| 22:15.44 | quatrox | a) edit the uboot env to boot from ext2 |
| 22:15.44 | quatrox | b) create a fat boot partition |
| 22:16.10 | lindi- | where a) is the one that will work in the future |
| 22:16.23 | quatrox | :) |
| 22:16.53 | abatrour | yeah i read that, option a is the best, and i dont see why its not in the u-boot by default, people shouldn't have to "hack" it |
| 22:17.10 | lindi- | abatrour: what is "by default"? |
| 22:17.22 | lindi- | from factory? |
| 22:17.48 | lindi- | abatrour: maybe older uboot did not do ext2? |
| 22:17.57 | abatrour | no, i mean built into the latest u-boot image |
| 22:18.11 | lindi- | but configuration is in a different partition |
| 22:18.16 | lindi- | than the uboot binary |
| 22:18.58 | abatrour | so theres a u-boot, uImage, rootfs, and an extra configuration partition? |
| 22:19.01 | lindi- | mtd1: 00040000 00020000 "u-boot" |
| 22:19.01 | lindi- | mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "u-boot_env" |
| 22:19.08 | lindi- | mtd3: 00800000 00020000 "kernel" |
| 22:19.08 | lindi- | mtd4: 000a0000 00020000 "splash" |
| 22:19.14 | lindi- | mtd5: 00040000 00020000 "factory" |
| 22:19.15 | lindi- | mtd6: 0f6a0000 00020000 "rootfs" |
| 22:19.18 | abatrour | i would follow the guide for editing the u-boot but my ubuntu notebook is dead :( |
| 22:19.26 | abatrour | hmm |
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| 22:19.51 | lindi- | abatrour: if you "upgrade uboot" by writing to "mtd1" then obviously you are not changing the configuration in "mtd2" |
| 22:20.23 | abatrour | yeah, i didn't know there was a seperate partition for the config, i thought it was stored in the u-boot image |
| 22:20.33 | lindi- | that'd be quite inefficient ;) |
| 22:20.40 | abatrour | how so? |
| 22:21.18 | lindi- | well, if power was lost while you were changing uboot configuration then the boot loader would be lost too? |
| 22:21.19 | abatrour | instead of just updating the u-boot, i have to update the u-boot and also the config |
| 22:21.33 | lindi- | horrible, what if i want to have my own configuration? |
| 22:21.45 | lindi- | i don't want it to be overwritten on upgrade |
| 22:21.51 | abatrour | i thought thats what nor was for, like a backup bootloader |
| 22:21.56 | lindi- | in fact, i have several custom uboot entries |
| 22:22.02 | abatrour | ah |
| 22:22.24 | abatrour | now i just gotta figure out how to edit the entries from vista or my phone... |
| 22:23.05 | lindi- | i use http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/configure-uboot k |
| 22:23.29 | lindi- | (parts stolen from install.sh) |
| 22:24.03 | spydon | barks @ vista... |
| 22:24.06 | abatrour | yeah, i dont even know where to begin on that lol |
| 22:24.40 | abatrour | there isn't an already made "config" that i can just dfu-util onto it? |
| 22:26.36 | lindi- | afaik not |
| 22:27.02 | abatrour | maybe i should just try qi |
| 22:27.15 | lindi- | have fun :P |
| 22:27.30 | abatrour | yeah, i just dont know which version i need, there are 3 |
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| 22:31.02 | abatrour | wants to kill his phone |
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| 22:33.58 | jc | hullo |
| 22:34.01 | abatrour | hey |
| 22:34.23 | jc | anyone from czech republic using a neo phone? :) |
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| 22:44.01 | quatrox | abatrour: do you need help with the environments? |
| 22:45.35 | abatrour | sure |
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| 22:45.45 | abatrour | i started reinstalling it anyways though |
| 22:45.51 | abatrour | with the fat at the beginning |
| 22:46.16 | abatrour | the factory phones should be updated with an ext2 entry in the uboot env |
| 22:46.27 | abatrour | have fat+ext2 and ext2 |
| 22:47.49 | mwester | abatrour: the problem will go away, for better or worse, as the gta03 will have qi as a bootloader, and will have no environment options at all. |
| 22:48.10 | abatrour | yeah, but that means i need to buy a gta3 ;) |
| 22:48.44 | mwester | Or you could enjoy the pain early, and flash qi onto your gta02. |
| 22:48.52 | abatrour | in a perfect world we wont need to boot off the sdcard though |
| 22:48.54 | mwester | But I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 22:49.13 | abatrour | i tried flashing qi on it, says it wasn't designed for it or something, i probably did something wrong |
| 22:49.14 | mwester | abatrour: booting off the sd card is the preferred way with Qi. |
| 22:49.47 | mwester | NAND flash in devices like the FR is going the way of the dinosaur; sd cards are much more practical and lower cost. |
| 22:50.09 | abatrour | i mean, what i said about not booting off sdcard, dont sdcards take more power than internal flash? |
| 22:50.37 | abatrour | flash is great for a fallback, like factory reset/defaults |
| 22:51.14 | quatrox | abatrour: you can get the env-file from http://om.quatrox.org/om/env.new |
| 22:51.17 | jc | I see gta02 is already about to phase out ? |
| 22:51.25 | abatrour | and not to mention wouldn't booting off internal flash be better for glamo too? save some bandwidth |
| 22:51.32 | mwester | Right. a small amount of flash for a rescue kernel/rootfs -- just enough to boot it up so that you can ssh into it and patch up your sd card. |
| 22:51.36 | abatrour | cool thanks quatrox |
| 22:51.55 | quatrox | no problem |
| 22:51.58 | mwester | jc: doubtful. no dates for the gta03 have been announced at all. |
| 22:52.17 | quatrox | mwester: I tried Qi |
| 22:52.32 | mwester | but did you inhale? |
| 22:52.38 | quatrox | my GTA will not boot |
| 22:52.42 | quatrox | no lights |
| 22:52.44 | quatrox | nothing |
| 22:52.46 | mwester | Take out the SIM card. |
| 22:52.51 | quatrox | no sim |
| 22:52.52 | mwester | seriously. |
| 22:52.55 | mwester | that's bad. |
| 22:53.09 | quatrox | but it boots fine with uboot |
| 22:53.18 | quatrox | not sure what I did wrong |
| 22:53.20 | mwester | Let someone on the kernel mailing list know about that. |
| 22:53.38 | mwester | It should be foolproof; there's nothing to it so it's supposed to be simple. |
| 22:53.46 | mwester | (but it has some bugs yet) |
| 22:53.50 | abatrour | quat, is there a wiki on how to update the uboot env? is it the same procedure as flashing any other partition? |
| 22:54.26 | quatrox | mwester: This is the correct image, right? |
| 22:54.26 | quatrox | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c6410-master_2ad3ce6ff57753e3.udfu |
| 22:54.54 | SpeedEvil | Quadduc: no |
| 22:55.15 | SpeedEvil | quatrox: that'll be for the GTA04 I think - the 6410 isn't in the 03 |
| 22:55.20 | quatrox | abatrour: see http://om.quatrox.org/om/ |
| 22:55.20 | SpeedEvil | (unless the name is confusing me) |
| 22:55.34 | abatrour | for me i needed s3c2410 |
| 22:55.52 | jc | do you know about some opengl tech demos for the glamo? |
| 22:55.53 | quatrox | SpeedEvil: aha... I confused it because I read so much about it |
| 22:56.07 | quatrox | I will try with the correct one |
| 22:57.04 | quatrox | abatrour: try to see if you understand http://om.quatrox.org/om/frm_gta02_env.sh |
| 22:57.10 | abatrour | when i tried to install it, it gave me an error, wouldn't work |
| 22:57.28 | quatrox | what was the error? |
| 22:57.34 | quatrox | crc? |
| 22:58.11 | henk | i installed todays Om-testing build and the qwerty-button in the top shelf is missing. how can i get it back? |
| 22:58.35 | abatrour | i cant remember what it ways, not a crc error, something about it not being designed for it or something |
| 22:59.11 | sicu | i thought GTA02 had S3C2442B |
| 22:59.25 | abatrour | i ran dfu-util.exe -a u-boot -R -D qi_s3c2410... |
| 22:59.51 | abatrour | i just ran dmseg and it said 2410 for me in there somewhere |
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| 23:00.20 | sicu | in any case, just check dmesg output to find your version |
| 23:00.29 | sicu | ahh ... that's fine then |
| 23:01.00 | mwester | 2410 is the gta01, 2442 is the gta02, 6410 is the gta03 |
| 23:01.19 | abatrour | hmm |
| 23:02.41 | abatrour | oh ok, there are multiple places it states the cpuid |
| 23:03.20 | SpeedEvil | 6410? I thought 6410 was the one with the GPU, that was slated for GTA04. Or have I not been keeping up. |
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| 23:04.03 | sicu | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 |
| 23:04.19 | sicu | you havn't been keeping up ;p |
| 23:04.37 | SpeedEvil | fair enough. |
| 23:04.50 | nomeata | Hi. Is someone here from the guys behind http://www.neopwn.com/ ? |
| 23:04.50 | abatrour | i wonder what the new case will look like |
| 23:04.50 | quatrox | is embarrassed that he flashed for wrong uC |
| 23:04.53 | SpeedEvil | I thought GTA03 was a 'out the door as fast as possible' effort. |
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| 23:05.07 | sicu | oh noes ... GTA03 has SMEDIA Glamo removed |
| 23:05.09 | sicu | cries |
| 23:05.18 | sicu | tears of joy |
| 23:05.39 | SpeedEvil | The graphics of the 6410 are much better than the glamo. |
| 23:05.59 | jc | sibbe, you actually like it ? |
| 23:06.01 | jc | oh... |
| 23:06.08 | SpeedEvil | and on-die, so comms with it are ridiculously faster. |
| 23:06.18 | abatrour | i hope glamo is figured out though, i dont know how much i would want to buy a gta03 if my gta02 doesn't even work decently |
| 23:06.32 | abatrour | i would feel cheated |
| 23:06.43 | jc | I'd love to help with that |
| 23:06.58 | jc | unfortunately I can't find the datasheet anywhere.. |
| 23:07.12 | sicu | naughty quatrox for trying to upgrade his SoC by purposely flashing the next level up |
| 23:07.19 | sicu | it doesn't work that way ;p |
| 23:07.22 | abatrour | why does smedia have to be so anal about decent support |
| 23:07.30 | jc | someone said it has some serious bus bottleneck |
| 23:07.43 | jc | If I recall correctly from the schematics, isn't it directly memory mapped ? |
| 23:08.09 | abatrour | i read someone managed to overclock the glamo from 50mhz to 80 |
| 23:08.14 | abatrour | is that true? |
| 23:08.25 | jc | does it matter ? |
| 23:08.29 | sicu | i saw that in the ML too |
| 23:08.47 | sicu | not that it matters much ... no |
| 23:08.53 | abatrour | kinda, a slightly faster pos "gpu" is better than a slower pos "gpu" :P |
| 23:09.04 | quatrox | wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Qi boots.... need to avoid kernel panic (prob wrong name on the uImage-GTA02.bin... |
| 23:09.13 | jc | so it acquires the bus for a long time ? |
| 23:09.24 | jc | since its a lot slower than the cpu... |
| 23:09.34 | SpeedEvil | basically |
| 23:09.51 | jc | and the nand flashes share the same bus right ? |
| 23:09.55 | SpeedEvil | and the SoC only has one memory bus, so a read/write to it locks it up |
| 23:09.57 | abatrour | wouldn't raising the glamo speed increase the bus? |
| 23:09.58 | jc | that would be bad for i/o health |
| 23:09.59 | SpeedEvil | nand, RAM, ... |
| 23:10.09 | jc | now I get it :) |
| 23:10.16 | jc | unfortunately :/ |
| 23:10.38 | quatrox | apt: what is the time? |
| 23:10.40 | apt | quatrox: what are you talking about? |
| 23:10.40 | jc | so |
| 23:10.44 | jc | what about compositing ? |
| 23:11.03 | SpeedEvil | jc: put one layer of green, followed by a layer of brown, and repeat |
| 23:11.19 | jc | SpeedEvil, huh ? |
| 23:13.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.bestgardening.com/bgc/howto/compost01.htm |
| 23:13.12 | SpeedEvil | is probably getting too obscure. |
| 23:13.38 | jc | SpeedEvil, what are you implying ? |
| 23:14.02 | quatrox | arrrg - there must be a mistake at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 23:14.10 | SpeedEvil | was attempting to be humourous, based on the compositing ->composting. |
| 23:14.13 | SpeedEvil | fails. |
| 23:14.38 | jc | SpeedEvil oh, I kinda thought you implied I was talking crap or something |
| 23:15.28 | SpeedEvil | notes that the GTA03 page history says at the time the GTA03EVBs arrived, it said based on same SoC |
| 23:15.34 | SpeedEvil | Have new dev boards been gotten? |
| 23:16.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah - changed a month ago. |
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| 23:17.21 | jc | anyway, is there some kind of summary of what operations is the glamo capable of ? |
| 23:17.44 | quatrox | jc: ask apt |
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| 23:18.24 | jc | quatrox, thx |
| 23:18.52 | quatrox | jc: the glamo is great at scaling |
| 23:19.01 | quatrox | rotation, etc |
| 23:19.05 | jc | you mean resizing images and stuff ? |
| 23:19.12 | quatrox | yeah |
| 23:19.29 | SpeedEvil | It also does mpeg-4 decoding |
| 23:19.32 | SpeedEvil | of some sort |
| 23:19.35 | jc | so it has some kind of texture memory ? |
| 23:19.49 | jc | can it also translate them across the screen ? |
| 23:19.51 | abatrour | but it probably lacks the bandwidth for mp4 videos doesn't it? |
| 23:20.00 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: not a problem |
| 23:20.10 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: sending it an encoded file is cheap in terms of bw |
| 23:20.20 | jc | that would mean compositing is plausible, right ? |
| 23:20.39 | abatrour | kinda like dma? |
| 23:20.47 | abatrour | bad example though |
| 23:20.50 | jc | well if it locks up the bus |
| 23:20.52 | quatrox | jc: the glamo is not too bad |
| 23:21.04 | jc | dma doesn't help with the lockup problem, right ? |
| 23:21.16 | quatrox | nope |
| 23:22.30 | quatrox | but, if you send from wlan or flash to the glamo instead of using the sdcard, you can transfer images faster |
| 23:22.47 | quatrox | hmm |
| 23:23.02 | quatrox | the trick is to preload things into ram |
| 23:23.06 | jc | oh glamo has some sd card interface, its usable for transfering into its memory ? |
| 23:23.20 | jc | does it have a buffer ? |
| 23:23.31 | quatrox | the sdcard is hooked up to the glamo |
| 23:23.35 | quatrox | but, ... |
| 23:23.37 | quatrox | :( |
| 23:24.00 | abatrour | it would have to go down the bus, to the cpu, then back down the bus to the glamo right? |
| 23:24.12 | quatrox | yes |
| 23:24.19 | abatrour | using up more bw |
| 23:24.24 | SpeedEvil | That's not that bad |
| 23:24.31 | SpeedEvil | if you're doing encoded video sending |
| 23:24.38 | jc | well if glamo has its own buffer inside and it can dma stuff from sdcard to it |
| 23:24.42 | SpeedEvil | It only starts to really hurt if you're decoding on the CPU |
| 23:24.43 | quatrox | because we cannot flash the glamo |
| 23:24.44 | SpeedEvil | jc: it can't |
| 23:25.00 | SpeedEvil | jc: or rather - as we understand it, it can't. |
| 23:25.03 | jc | well, it wouldn't be useful anyway, I guess |
| 23:25.20 | quatrox | yes |
| 23:25.30 | SpeedEvil | scatter-gather from blocks of SD to configurable window'd be really nice |
| 23:25.40 | quatrox | jc: but... it has been discussed on the mailing list |
| 23:25.52 | jc | images on sd card would have to be in a format to directly transfer to memory and for glamo to understand it, right ? so like, continuous blocks of raw images |
| 23:26.00 | quatrox | jc: I think we need to focus on what the glamo is good at |
| 23:26.16 | quatrox | we have a 2d driver |
| 23:26.21 | quatrox | and scaling |
| 23:26.25 | jc | do only small large scale redraw operations and issue a lot of control-type ones |
| 23:26.26 | cjb | quatrox: like drawing power? :) |
| 23:26.29 | SpeedEvil | jc: it can do decoding of mp4 |
| 23:26.35 | abatrour | but what image formats does the glamo know natively? |
| 23:27.06 | quatrox | cjb: the glamo has problems because we have so high resolution on the display |
| 23:27.15 | jc | obviously, it should know raw rgb, right? :) |
| 23:27.18 | quatrox | so movies goes slow |
| 23:27.21 | abatrour | the phone doesn't have AA turned on does it? |
| 23:27.41 | quatrox | AA? |
| 23:27.49 | quatrox | I don't know |
| 23:27.50 | abatrour | anti aliasing :P |
| 23:27.53 | jc | the display is so beautiful |
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| 23:28.38 | quatrox | did anyone manage to boot Qi without kernel panic? |
| 23:28.50 | jc | well, if it was on a separate bus, you could like have a double framebuffer in ram and continously transfer one to the glamo |
| 23:28.58 | abatrour | quatrox: ill give it a try after i finish installing debian |
| 23:29.06 | quatrox | cool |
| 23:29.55 | abatrour | jc: wouldn't a raw rgb pic use more bandwidth than a compressed image? |
| 23:30.22 | SpeedEvil | jc: it can - and has done a few months ago with a hacked version of mplayer - decoding of mp3 |
| 23:30.24 | SpeedEvil | jc: it can - and has done a few months ago with a hacked version of mplayer - decoding of mp4 |
| 23:30.31 | abatrour | seeing how we have a slow bus, wouldn't it be best to send compressed images to the glamo to decode? |
| 23:30.32 | quatrox | bmb is much bigger than jpeg |
| 23:30.48 | quatrox | s/bmb/bmp/g |
| 23:30.49 | jc | abatrour well if glamo knows other formats, of course it would be better |
| 23:31.30 | jc | SpeedEvil, yep I saw that, pretty nifty, I have a hard time understanding mplayer's source though |
| 23:31.56 | jc | abatrour like encode in ram and then send encoded ? |
| 23:31.59 | quatrox | jc: but now you understand it? |
| 23:32.17 | jc | quatrox, unfortunately not |
| 23:32.26 | mjr | ooh, the best idea ever: have the X server generate mpeg4 for the glamo |
| 23:32.39 | jc | isnt it lossy ? |
| 23:32.55 | mjr | and that's only one of the reasons it's the best idea ever |
| 23:33.03 | quatrox | better use the kernel |
| 23:33.04 | jc | like, the interface wouldn't be pixel sharp then |
| 23:33.21 | quatrox | write to the framebuffer |
| 23:33.27 | abatrour | and wouldn't it use the cpu 100% most of the time? |
| 23:33.40 | jc | is it costly to encode mpeg4 on arm9 ? |
| 23:33.41 | quatrox | hmm |
| 23:33.47 | SpeedEvil | jc: hahahahhahahahah |
| 23:33.58 | SpeedEvil | jc: it's a 400MHz processor. |
| 23:33.59 | quatrox | actually we can send low res movies to the glamo |
| 23:34.02 | SpeedEvil | jc: with a teeny cache |
| 23:34.03 | jc | anyway this is 400MHz / 50MHz difference in the access time if I get it correctly / |
| 23:34.03 | quatrox | and it can scale it |
| 23:34.10 | SpeedEvil | jc: and no FPU or MMX |
| 23:34.26 | jc | waaait it doesn't have a fpu ? |
| 23:34.45 | abatrour | dont think so |
| 23:34.48 | quatrox | it is not even a CPU |
| 23:34.50 | SpeedEvil | I know the 2410 doesn't - I'm not 1000% sure of the 2442 |
| 23:34.50 | jc | arms don't have mmx, right? only some dsp extensions if I recall correctly.. |
| 23:34.53 | quatrox | it is a micro controller |
| 23:34.55 | quatrox | :P |
| 23:34.59 | SpeedEvil | I mean MMX in the generic sense. |
| 23:35.01 | jc | I think its a CPU |
| 23:35.03 | jc | or a SoC |
| 23:35.08 | SpeedEvil | Of multimedia or other extensions. |
| 23:35.43 | SpeedEvil | SIMD or ... |
| 23:35.46 | jc | it can run an OS, natively draws a line between userspace/kernel, has mmu, ... |
| 23:36.01 | jc | I'd call AVR a microcontroller, definitely not an arm, not even ARM7 |
| 23:36.01 | abatrour | is glamo capable of doing partial screen updates? |
| 23:36.03 | quatrox | apt: CPU, uC, MPU, ... |
| 23:36.19 | SpeedEvil | jc: there are arm microcontrollers |
| 23:36.28 | abatrour | like if i click a button and only half the screen changes, is glamo smart enough not to waste bandwidth on stuff that hasn't changed? |
| 23:36.29 | SpeedEvil | jc: stm32 forex |
| 23:36.37 | abatrour | because that would save lots of bw |
| 23:36.38 | SpeedEvil | jc: 32 bit, 256K ROM, 20K RAM |
| 23:36.42 | SpeedEvil | jc: no external memory |
| 23:36.43 | jc | like at91sam7sxx ? |
| 23:37.10 | jc | well, maybe those can be considered mcus |
| 23:37.11 | quatrox | abatrour: I think it is |
| 23:37.21 | SpeedEvil | jc: $6 |
| 23:37.22 | jc | because of the internal-only memories |
| 23:37.54 | jc | I've worked with these baybies at school, they can do pretty nifty decoding |
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| 23:38.16 | jc | and run multiple processess and actually separate them and protect them from stepping on each other |
| 23:38.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and the above no mmu |
| 23:38.33 | abatrour | quatrox: you mean it can do "partial screen updates" ? |
| 23:38.49 | jc | no virtual memory, but it can protect individual blocks |
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| 23:38.56 | quatrox | I am not sure, but I believe it is possible |
| 23:39.03 | jc | programs have to be precompiled with absolute addressess |
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| 23:39.17 | jc | either that or simulate mmu via memory abort interrupts |
| 23:40.11 | quatrox | simulate mmu? No way |
| 23:40.11 | jc | or write position independent code |
| 23:40.11 | jc | I did that on a ds :) |
| 23:40.12 | jc | arm is a load/store architecture with great addressing capabilities |
| 23:40.32 | jc | its actually not such a bottleneck to write pic |
| 23:40.37 | abatrour | jc: u program for the ds? cool. i have a m3 ds real, its a pain :P |
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| 23:40.53 | jc | I don't unfortunately |
| 23:41.03 | jc | and yes, its a serious pain |
| 23:41.11 | jc | no docs, very hard to get code running on |
| 23:41.52 | jc | that's why I just tried a few assembly programs on it, enjoyed some drawing on the lcds and got a freerunner :)) |
| 23:41.52 | abatrour | anyone know where i can read what the glamo is support to support? and features? |
| 23:42.02 | jc | I'd sooooo love to see some tech demos on the glamo |
| 23:42.04 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: the source? |
| 23:42.58 | abatrour | not the source lol. its not available. i mean stuff like, speed, cache size, hardware supported codecs, etc |
| 23:43.07 | jc | the screen is just beautiful, imagine the nifty opengl effects |
| 23:43.10 | abatrour | basically the tech specs |
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| 23:44.44 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: publically available is a two page 'datasheet'. |
| 23:44.47 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: that's it |
| 23:44.51 | jc | well at least for some 'acceleration': |
| 23:44.59 | quatrox | must find a replacement for udev |
| 23:45.03 | jc | it should have line/polygon drawing in hardware |
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| 23:45.15 | SpeedEvil | And a puppy! |
| 23:45.33 | jc | so if you like examine the image being send to it |
| 23:45.34 | quatrox | mwester: ? |
| 23:45.44 | jc | and detect for example adjacent pixels with the same colors |
| 23:45.55 | jc | and see there are 20 pixels on one line which are same color |
| 23:46.15 | jc | (or of course more, that was understatement, i'm used to 8bit buses lol) |
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| 23:46.19 | quatrox | hmmm |
| 23:46.22 | abatrour | speed: do u know where this datasheet is? |
| 23:46.33 | mwester | likes puppies! |
| 23:46.33 | quatrox | I boot my gta with qi |
| 23:46.39 | jc | you substitute sending of 20 white pixels witch 'white line from/to' |
| 23:46.40 | quatrox | and ... |
| 23:46.41 | jc | for example |
| 23:46.53 | quatrox | mwester: it started udev |
| 23:46.54 | jc | that would be simple performance enhancement at least for some cases ? |
| 23:47.07 | jc | *with |
| 23:47.13 | abatrour | especially when the main color is black :P |
| 23:47.17 | Wonka | i'd be happy if my ttySACs didn't lose chars anymore... |
| 23:47.22 | mwester | quatrox: that's a good thing, right? |
| 23:47.28 | quatrox | mwester: you should see my phone |
| 23:47.45 | mwester | Wonka: fix the app that reads the characters; has nothing to do with the hardware (on the gta02) |
| 23:47.54 | CVirus | what the hell are they releasing !!! http://events.nokia.com/countdown/ |
| 23:47.59 | jc | so you have a completely black screen - cpu runs through the image with some simple algorithm and sends the glamo only a single polygon |
| 23:48.35 | Wonka | mwester: hm - in this case, it's frameworkd... |
| 23:48.37 | mwester | jc: you assume that that app that computes the polygon is more efficient than just sending the bitmap. |
| 23:48.53 | abatrour | cvirus: maybe the source if they havn't already? |
| 23:48.53 | quatrox | mwester: [21474599:12343435 evbug.c: Event. Dev: input, Type: 2, Code: 0, Volume: 923 |
| 23:48.57 | quatrox | something like that |
| 23:49.03 | quatrox | scrolling really fast |
| 23:49.05 | jc | sending bitmap to glamo and get bus locked after each word is a lot slower than precomputing, right ? |
| 23:49.06 | mwester | Wonka: well, then, frameworkd needs to be fixed. |
| 23:49.09 | CVirus | abatrour: what source ? |
| 23:49.22 | mwester | quatrox: find evbug.* and rename it. |
| 23:49.23 | abatrour | bitmaps are huge though |
| 23:49.31 | mwester | quatrox: what distro are you running? |
| 23:49.32 | jc | especially if the precomputing is a extremely simple sequential algorithm |
| 23:49.36 | quatrox | shr |
| 23:49.41 | jc | just take one word after other and compare |
| 23:49.43 | Wonka | mwester: any idea _what_ is wrong and needs to be fixed there? |
| 23:49.55 | jc | when they match, start counting polygon size |
| 23:50.00 | abatrour | cvirus: doesn't nokia own palm or something? |
| 23:50.04 | mwester | Wonka: no idea. Something (whatever is reading the data from the serial port) is not able to keep up with the incoming data. |
| 23:50.19 | abatrour | i read nokia was releasing the source for their os, but i could be wrong |
| 23:50.21 | CVirus | abatrour: I don't think they'll make a countdown for a software release .. but a hardware one |
| 23:50.23 | Wonka | mwester: at 9600bps and 400MHz? O.o |
| 23:50.36 | jc | I think I'll actually try that |
| 23:50.46 | mwester | Wonka: you are thinking wrong -- at the wrong end of the pipe. |
| 23:50.56 | jc | do you hing theres enough information about the glamo lying around the drivers ? |
| 23:51.01 | jc | *think |
| 23:51.19 | jc | to understand it at least basically - how it is accessed and how the acceleration works |
| 23:51.24 | SpeedEvil | jc: the drivers will tell you lots about the chip |
| 23:51.33 | abatrour | im trying to find the glamo datasheet |
| 23:51.35 | Wonka | mwester: huh? i am confused now. |
| 23:51.35 | SpeedEvil | jc: yes, certainly, at least the parts that are used |
| 23:51.45 | jc | ok then, I hope boot from ram works :) |
| 23:51.45 | mwester | Wonka: consider if the app reading the data from the gps is stuck in a dbus call for 10 seconds -- how much data just got piled up in the buffer, and how many "stuck on dbus" can occur in sequence before the serial buffer overflows? |
| 23:51.59 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: the proper datasheet is unavailable withuotu NDA |
| 23:52.25 | Wonka | mwester: hm, that way round, ok... |
| 23:52.29 | quatrox | mwester: /lib/modules/2.6.28-GTA02_andy-tracking_2d1d9ec0e2d009d0-mokodev/kernel/drivers/input/evbug.ko |
| 23:52.49 | jc | I'd just love to at least write arm assembly 'hello world' code and have it display something |
| 23:52.49 | abatrour | oh, i thought the datasheet was a basic outlining of what the chip can do |
| 23:52.58 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: it is. |
| 23:53.01 | abatrour | i just wanna know what codecs it supports in hardware |
| 23:53.01 | mwester | quatrox: just rename it and see what happens. I don't doubt there's a problem, but that should get rid of the stream of messages. |
| 23:53.03 | jc | after all, I bought an open development platform :)) |
| 23:53.04 | SpeedEvil | abatrour: on the 'see spot run' level. |
| 23:53.08 | Wonka | mwester: gps sometimes is stuck for minutes, and then, much of the piled-up data comes in quite fast, at about 6 seconds per second. |
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| 23:53.48 | mwester | Wonka: Yep, that's what I would expect if the app reading the serial buffer got stuck on something. Perhaps it's as simple is using "nice" to give that app higher priority? You could try that... |
| 23:53.48 | jc | also I understand u-boot does all peripheral preinitialization so glamo and cpu is warm and ready when code in ram executes ? |
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| 23:54.18 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it it only initialises stuff it uses |
| 23:54.19 | mwester | jc: It does, to some degree, but the kernel should not trust that. |
| 23:54.27 | SpeedEvil | but I've not looked closely at it. |
| 23:54.37 | jc | mwester, I'm thinking about the raw assembly code, not kernel now :) |
| 23:55.01 | mwester | jc: the you would be writing what would amount to an extension of u-boot. |
| 23:55.03 | jc | anyway I think I better stop annoying you here and get to hacking, thanks for the directions :) |
| 23:56.26 | jc | mwester If I understood that statement correctly then yes, I'd let u-boot preinitialize everything and just draw a pretty picture into glamos buffer :) |
| 23:56.44 | jc | its good to start simple |
| 23:58.05 | jc | I've dumbed down on avrs a lot lately :D |
| 23:58.50 | quatrox | the first boot was very slow... rebooting to check speed |
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