| 00:00.10 | Fougner | have you installed something on it. except included apps? |
| 00:00.11 | Wonka | only packages |
| 00:00.20 | Fougner | I would like to know how I can get it a bit more useful |
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| 00:00.26 | Wonka | and my self-written "button daemon" |
| 00:00.33 | Fougner | hmm |
| 00:00.43 | Wonka | Fougner: i mostly use it for GPS atm. tangogps rocks. |
| 00:00.57 | Fougner | ah, but how did you get it installed? |
| 00:01.12 | Fougner | and how do you access TangoGPS? |
| 00:01.24 | Wonka | Fougner: aptitude install tangogps |
| 00:01.29 | Fougner | that easy? |
| 00:01.30 | Wonka | Fougner: it's in debian |
| 00:01.37 | Wonka | Fougner: yes |
| 00:01.44 | Fougner | what about menus to start it? o.O |
| 00:01.59 | Wonka | Fougner: i use matchbox-window-manager and fbpanel |
| 00:02.18 | Fougner | ah |
| 00:02.32 | Fougner | aptitude install matchbox-window-manager fbpanel |
| 00:02.37 | Fougner | right? |
| 00:02.38 | Wonka | Fougner: wrote a config for fbpanel with buttons for tangogps, xterm and zhone |
| 00:02.53 | Wonka | yes |
| 00:02.58 | Fougner | as I said, I know nothing about it xD |
| 00:03.11 | Wonka | and also openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 00:03.23 | Wonka | can tell you more tomorrow - need to go to bed now |
| 00:03.35 | Fougner | okay, thanks, sweet dreams :) |
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| 00:04.49 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03werner * r4757 10/developers/werner/wlan-perf/pingh: |
| 00:04.49 | CIA-52 | openmoko: Histogram maker that takes the guesswork out of choosing the bin size. |
| 00:04.49 | CIA-52 | openmoko: It's so simple - why haven't I thought of this years ago already ? |
| 00:05.30 | jonkristian | hello mOko |
| 00:05.57 | yabo | giggle |
| 00:05.58 | Fougner | moko! |
| 00:06.23 | Fougner | well, people are going to bed now, no? ^^ |
| 00:06.33 | jonkristian | Most likely |
| 00:08.37 | yabo | Wonka, name a hard sf series you like please |
| 00:08.57 | Fougner | yabo, Wonka went to bed ;) |
| 00:09.16 | yabo | oh look.. |
| 00:09.18 | yabo | okay :p |
| 00:09.59 | Fougner | xD |
| 00:10.15 | Fougner | yabo, du e norsk? ^^ |
| 00:10.34 | yabo | ja |
| 00:10.36 | yabo | :-R |
| 00:10.39 | jonkristian | kult |
| 00:10.40 | Fougner | coolt =P |
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| 00:10.43 | yabo | jea :D |
| 00:10.44 | yabo | artig |
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| 00:11.07 | Fougner | hehe |
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| 00:11.32 | Fougner | brags about his freerunner |
| 00:11.53 | johngay | I wanna try qtExt-4.4.2 )-: |
| 00:12.01 | yabo | trondheim? |
| 00:12.05 | jonkristian | :) |
| 00:12.33 | Fougner | trondheim är en stad ;D |
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| 00:12.54 | Fougner | nordvästra delen av Norge, har jag fel? |
| 00:13.30 | Fougner | ah, now that explains a lot! "could not connect to org.freesmartphone.frameworkd -- is the framework daemon started?" |
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| 00:19.27 | Fougner | where can I find a frameworkd.conf ? |
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| 00:32.52 | yabo | muh, modemet ville ikke mer. |
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| 00:37.51 | benlake | Anyone missing sshd on their FSOm4? |
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| 00:41.28 | mwester | benlake: you should be looking for dropbear instead |
| 00:44.03 | benlake | mwester: indeed |
| 00:44.07 | benlake | well crap |
| 00:44.13 | benlake | I can ping it, but 22 is refused |
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| 00:49.53 | Fougner | yabo, hi! :D |
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| 00:51.19 | yabo | hai Fougner |
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| 00:54.37 | Fougner | yabo, what's up? :P |
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| 01:07.02 | trains | hi, anyone tried to compile android with Sean McNeil patches? |
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| 01:11.56 | trains | anyone has any ideia how to create uImage-android and android.jffs2 from android compilation output? |
| 01:16.59 | trains | no? |
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| 01:29.47 | Yashy | What's the most stable/functional distro? 2008.9? |
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| 01:34.02 | johngay | I'm still using 2007.2 |
| 01:34.43 | slaxxin | fdom |
| 01:34.50 | slaxxin | qtx |
| 01:35.11 | slaxxin | debian works well just needs some icon work |
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| 01:39.25 | ChandleWEi | johngay: I use 2007.2 but cann't update? |
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| 01:42.46 | Dave | Of course you can't update :P |
| 01:42.53 | Dave | Unfortunately :( |
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| 02:03.41 | mykraniu | Is there any plans for 3g on the next version of the freerunner? |
| 02:04.11 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:04.18 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - it doesn't look likel.y |
| 02:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Simply as there hasn't been a cheap, open-source interface, small, low power, available 3G chipset. |
| 02:05.07 | Dave | EvilRunners |
| 02:05.12 | mykraniu | i gottya |
| 02:05.30 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention that tehre are several 3G standards worldwide. |
| 02:05.49 | mykraniu | it's true, |
| 02:06.12 | SpeedEvil | Though I haven't seen the designer recently. |
| 02:06.22 | SpeedEvil | searches for the magic-8-openmoko-ball. |
| 02:06.35 | mykraniu | but if they were able to implement hsdpa etc, if the open source chipset was availiable, |
| 02:06.48 | mykraniu | there would be alot of phones sold |
| 02:06.58 | SpeedEvil | It's a clear and obvious choice if it's possible. |
| 02:07.14 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that OM is _tiny_. |
| 02:07.30 | SpeedEvil | An order for 5000 won't get many chipset makers to pick up the phone. |
| 02:09.15 | mykraniu | yeah |
| 02:10.35 | raster | SpeedEvil: sucks, doesn't it? |
| 02:10.43 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 02:10.47 | mykraniu | i guess a serious youtube advertising campaign. might do something, but there is hardly anyone in the open source world that doesnt know about it already |
| 02:11.00 | SpeedEvil | has sort-of-that problem, but with quantities of 5-50. |
| 02:11.04 | mykraniu | how popular is the iphone in india? |
| 02:11.08 | raster | SpeedEvil: here's movement in that dept tho |
| 02:11.18 | SpeedEvil | raster: great! |
| 02:11.26 | raster | well attempts at it |
| 02:11.33 | raster | byt peopel with more clout than om |
| 02:11.37 | Dave | RASTER |
| 02:11.53 | raster | let's see |
| 02:11.53 | SpeedEvil | raster: FIC? |
| 02:11.58 | raster | hahahaha |
| 02:12.00 | raster | dude |
| 02:12.11 | raster | fic is probably one of om's PROBLEMS in getting parts |
| 02:12.12 | SpeedEvil | has no clue of the current corporate setup. |
| 02:12.13 | raster | not a solution |
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| 02:12.19 | Dave | yep |
| 02:12.22 | raster | you dont know the half of it! |
| 02:12.25 | raster | Dave: yo |
| 02:12.36 | SpeedEvil | raster: I don't know more than that! |
| 02:12.48 | raster | just suffice to say |
| 02:13.27 | raster | fic coming to the rescue is like asking sata for help with handing out the xmas presents |
| 02:13.28 | raster | :) |
| 02:13.29 | Dave | raster, sheesh |
| 02:13.40 | raster | dont take the analogy too far! |
| 02:13.45 | SpeedEvil | raster: SATA is great with christmas presents! |
| 02:13.47 | Dave | haha |
| 02:13.53 | raster | err |
| 02:13.55 | raster | satan |
| 02:13.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:13.56 | raster | :) |
| 02:13.59 | Dave | rofl |
| 02:14.02 | Dave | I thought you meant santa |
| 02:14.32 | raster | there are good reasons for ti's reluctance to help with the calypso |
| 02:14.37 | raster | and not because it's eol'd |
| 02:15.27 | SpeedEvil | wishes for a simple world, where every datasheet has a 'buy now' button and is complete. |
| 02:15.39 | raster | i was more thinking |
| 02:15.45 | raster | every chip has a "buy now" button |
| 02:15.53 | raster | and along with the buy comes the full datasheet |
| 02:16.02 | raster | with no strings attached |
| 02:17.46 | SpeedEvil | That would be nice. |
| 02:18.03 | Dave | hot! |
| 02:18.08 | Dave | Why didn't we get that? |
| 02:18.11 | SpeedEvil | And they have to give you copies of the firmware when it's EOLd. |
| 02:18.52 | raster | SpeedEvil: copies of the src |
| 02:18.55 | raster | and build tools |
| 02:19.03 | SpeedEvil | And a puppy. |
| 02:21.06 | sicu | and the puppy's full pedigree |
| 02:21.23 | Dave | :o |
| 02:21.39 | raster | SpeedEvil: how's your omap toys coming? |
| 02:21.55 | SpeedEvil | raster: STM32 - not omap. |
| 02:22.03 | SpeedEvil | raster: having fun with the hardware design. |
| 02:22.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: tradeoffs are fun! |
| 02:22.29 | raster | ooh |
| 02:22.38 | raster | i thought it was omap 3xxx |
| 02:23.06 | Dave | YOU REALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THAT EASY? |
| 02:23.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: No - STM32. Fun - 20K RAM, 64K of ROM, 32 bit 70MHz and goes down to 0.5mA@2V |
| 02:23.42 | raster | hmm |
| 02:23.43 | raster | 1mw |
| 02:23.47 | raster | not bad |
| 02:23.49 | SpeedEvil | raster: I'm trying to make a core board that I can plug into about a dozen projects that I've got ready to go. |
| 02:24.02 | raster | it'ad work as a nice pmu |
| 02:24.06 | SpeedEvil | raster: 'ready to go' in the 'a few pages of local wiki' |
| 02:24.22 | SpeedEvil | raster: the nicest thing is ROM RS232 bootloader. |
| 02:25.27 | SpeedEvil | raster: that's operating - it's lots lower power if you only keep the clock awake. |
| 02:29.01 | raster | much less than the 2442 :) |
| 02:29.11 | raster | when "running" |
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| 02:30.53 | johngay | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome if you want hardware fun (-; |
| 02:31.31 | Dave | o.O |
| 02:31.50 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - well no external RAM or MMU, or ... |
| 02:32.02 | Dave | darn |
| 02:32.52 | raster | SpeedEvil: sounds like a useful pmu tho... |
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| 02:33.09 | raster | 1w in the scheme of things inst much |
| 02:33.11 | raster | i mean 1mw |
| 02:33.29 | SpeedEvil | raster: possibly, yes. 1%/day. |
| 02:34.04 | raster | yeah |
| 02:34.06 | raster | just thinking |
| 02:34.34 | raster | 1000mah or 1200/1500 |
| 02:35.13 | raster | the battery in the gta02 |
| 02:35.17 | raster | 1200mah @ 3.7v |
| 02:35.22 | raster | thats 185 days of runtime |
| 02:35.26 | SpeedEvil | But anyway - it's an order of magnitude less than the GSM modem. |
| 02:35.29 | raster | (assuming nothing else is on) |
| 02:35.35 | raster | yeah |
| 02:35.36 | raster | exactly |
| 02:35.55 | raster | thats hwy i was thinking "nice - no major impact, but easy to develop for arch" |
| 02:35.57 | raster | ie arm |
| 02:36.03 | raster | familiar stuff |
| 02:36.52 | johngay | Whacha workin on? |
| 02:37.18 | SpeedEvil | Me? Framework for an assortment of products for ebay. |
| 02:37.50 | johngay | I'm a bit of a hardware phreq (-; |
| 02:38.36 | johngay | But it's past my bedtime. |
| 02:39.06 | johngay | And I gotta finish my jumps before I can spend any more money on H/W )-: |
| 02:39.32 | SpeedEvil | is trying that much more tricky thing of getting H/W to make money. |
| 02:39.53 | SpeedEvil | heats up the molten metal and pours it into the moulds. |
| 02:39.55 | johngay | You mean a printing press? |
| 02:40.18 | SpeedEvil | Random electronics for ebay |
| 02:40.18 | raster | SpeedEvil: making your own moulds? |
| 02:40.32 | SpeedEvil | Everything from GPSs to mobile phones. |
| 02:40.40 | SpeedEvil | (of very, very little brain) |
| 02:40.48 | Dave | hehe |
| 02:40.50 | johngay | After I finish my jumps, I want to try -> http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
| 02:41.50 | Dave | man the freerunner screen is awesome... |
| 02:42.31 | johngay | Anyway, nite all. |
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| 06:40.19 | KenSentMe | Im running Android on the Openmoko Neo Freerunner using Sean McNeils images. Installing and running works, but the phone doesnt accept my PIN code for my sim card. Is that a know problem? |
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| 06:55.54 | JadeFalcon | KenSentMe: AFAIK the port isn't finished yet. Only the UI and some buttons are working for now, but not the other hardware like the gsm modem or the gps chip. This has to be done in the next phase. So i would not count this as a bug |
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| 06:57.06 | KenSentMe | JadeFalcon, yeah, i saw some other reports on the pin not working on the mailinglist, but i wondered if anyone had a solution yet |
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| 07:10.28 | KenSentMe | JadeFalcon, fyi, calling with Android works when you disable the pin on another phone |
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| 07:19.00 | sakkara | KenSentMe: thx 4 info, also had the pin problem =) |
| 07:19.33 | KenSentMe | sakkara, np. I am now able to make calls, but i found no way to answer an incoming call |
| 07:20.30 | sakkara | lol^^ |
| 07:20.52 | sakkara | well, android is in very early stage for FR, its just to play around, not to use it... |
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| 08:57.55 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4760 10/developers/charlie/test_gsm/ (. test.py): Added test_gsm script |
| 08:58.55 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4761 10/developers/charlie/Stuffs/ (. find_at.py): Added simple script to retrieve AT commands used by framework ogsmd |
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| 08:59.13 | Daramarak | Hi all. |
| 09:00.28 | KenYoung | Daramarak, Hi! |
| 09:00.41 | Daramarak | I am working on a reasonable norwegian dictionary for illume (reasonable is smaller than my currently 12MB one) and a norwegian keyboard layout. Am I reinventing the wheel? |
| 09:09.36 | lindi- | apt-get install wnorwegian |
| 09:11.04 | Daramarak | I did it, the dictionary is 12MB |
| 09:11.14 | Daramarak | It is awfull slow |
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| 09:13.17 | lindi- | Daramarak: pick only those words that are in the dictionary and in your irc/email conversations |
| 09:13.43 | Daramarak | Yeah, something like that |
| 09:14.15 | lindi- | i came up with a 23K dictionary with that :) |
| 09:14.45 | cjb_ie | do you have a script to do it? |
| 09:15.16 | lindi- | xvkbd web page has |
| 09:16.34 | theblackbox | dictionary?? does it define, or just spell? |
| 09:17.23 | theblackbox | always wanted to make a bot that collects defs in a freenode chan #definitions.... far too many discussions in #philosophy or #physics just boil down to basic definitions! lol |
| 09:18.30 | lindi- | theblackbox: word list |
| 09:18.42 | Daramarak | Yeah it is a word list |
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| 09:19.06 | theblackbox | yeah, I'd like to improve on it |
| 09:19.13 | theblackbox | ;) |
| 09:19.47 | Daramarak | But I cannot help thinking that these files should be compressed somehow. |
| 09:20.50 | Daramarak | Then they would load faster and take up less "disk" space |
| 09:21.32 | pb_ | Daramarak: if you store the files in jffs2, they are compressed anyway. |
| 09:21.46 | pb_ | There isn't a whole lot of benefit from compressing them again. |
| 09:22.04 | Daramarak | True... I didn't think of that |
| 09:22.07 | cjb_ie | you want a data structure that'll make it easy/fast to predict next letter required, given letters so far. |
| 09:22.31 | cjb_ie | ideally one that doesn't require decompression of the whole file |
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| 09:22.58 | Daramarak | I was thinking on something like that, that the datastructure inside the software is reflected in the wordlist |
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| 09:25.40 | Daramarak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.52 | Daramarak | I doubt an end user would be happy to just "apt-get install wnorwegian, transfer files to so and so folder and restart enlightenment" |
| 09:27.50 | raster | Daramarak: right now in the illume images i build they force supportf of all locales that e has translations for |
| 09:27.53 | raster | (thats a fair few) |
| 09:28.10 | raster | as such i'd just include all the dicts by default and have a "filter only dicts for my language" |
| 09:28.22 | raster | option added so u can only choose dicts for your locale |
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| 09:28.30 | raster | (unless u disable that) |
| 09:28.38 | raster | its a long term plan |
| 09:28.43 | raster | not all there currently |
| 09:29.22 | jonsmith1982 | 12 MB wordlist * (languages e supports) |
| 09:29.33 | Daramarak | ouch |
| 09:30.29 | raster | jonsmith1982: the english dict is only 1mb |
| 09:30.33 | Daramarak | A choice when installing illume would be nice. Select layouts and dicts, like many other oses |
| 09:30.37 | raster | also remember its compressed on jffs2 |
| 09:31.28 | raster | in reality it'll use about 350-400k |
| 09:31.47 | raster | Daramarak: right now e when u run it asks u for language - first thing |
| 09:31.51 | raster | but they need to be installed |
| 09:31.56 | raster | for it to offer a selection |
| 09:32.55 | Daramarak | No lazy initializing |
| 09:32.56 | raster | e alreayd supports fetching data like wallpapers, themes etc. remotely itself |
| 09:33.10 | raster | (over http) |
| 09:33.20 | raster | no reason it cant snarf dicts too later |
| 09:33.34 | raster | but i'd like everything to work "out of the box" without having to go install extra stuff |
| 09:33.38 | raster | or download things |
| 09:33.44 | raster | if it east up a few mb of flash - then so be it |
| 09:33.50 | raster | on the Fr u have 256m of it |
| 09:34.05 | raster | plenty of space to burn to make sure something works out of the box |
| 09:34.22 | raster | if u want u can go make N packages each one with a different dict |
| 09:34.31 | raster | i dont mind - but i dont think it should be like that |
| 09:34.44 | Daramarak | But there is still a matter of speed, the 12MB norwegian is too slow. Hampers my typing. |
| 09:34.54 | raster | oh yeah |
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| 09:35.04 | raster | thats somethng i need to do with the dict format |
| 09:35.08 | raster | its very verbose |
| 09:35.19 | raster | its small for english because there are not declinations |
| 09:35.21 | raster | or very few |
| 09:35.27 | raster | i have a plan |
| 09:35.33 | raster | i just wont get around to it for a while - no time |
| 09:37.01 | Daramarak | Is it a good plan ;) |
| 09:37.17 | raster | yes |
| 09:37.28 | Daramarak | I have done some thinking on the matter, would be interesting to hear your ideas. |
| 09:37.30 | raster | change dict format to have quick-jump bytes |
| 09:37.32 | raster | to jump lines |
| 09:37.35 | raster | (without scanning) |
| 09:37.52 | raster | and be able to explicitly declare visible match vs inputted text |
| 09:37.54 | raster | eg |
| 09:37.59 | raster | i type in |
| 09:38.32 | raster | "blos" but in the dict it says "display 'bloÃ' |
| 09:38.38 | raster | so u have a line like |
| 09:38.52 | raster | blos [bloÃ] |
| 09:38.59 | raster | (well add in frequency too) |
| 09:39.03 | raster | blos [bloÃ] 234 |
| 09:39.14 | raster | also add in declination |
| 09:39.51 | raster | lauf [~en~e~t] 245 |
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| 09:40.05 | raster | that will drastically rteduce dicts for no/se/de/it/fr/es etc. |
| 09:40.23 | raster | as you'd just list the declination endings |
| 09:40.41 | raster | the real big problem is how to gnereate such a dict |
| 09:40.49 | raster | it'd have to have a really godo source |
| 09:40.53 | laen | heh, cool |
| 09:40.59 | laen | you can turn shit into scheisse |
| 09:41.02 | raster | the current dict can be trivially generated by just throwing text files at a script |
| 09:41.10 | raster | doing a word hash and frequency count |
| 09:41.16 | raster | laen: yes |
| 09:41.21 | raster | thats a possibility |
| 09:41.33 | raster | u can have dict matches that "display" something other than what u typed |
| 09:41.35 | raster | the idea is |
| 09:41.47 | laen | Hmmm.. with something like that you can create dicts that transform your text into robot-talk, drunk talk, etc. |
| 09:41.51 | raster | a normal qwerty a-z kbd CAN cover all the accended chars in fr/de/it/ed/pt etc. |
| 09:41.56 | raster | so in french |
| 09:41.57 | raster | i do |
| 09:42.05 | raster | (type: cafe) |
| 09:42.06 | raster | and i get |
| 09:42.11 | raster | café |
| 09:42.16 | raster | (as an option) |
| 09:42.29 | raster | this ALSO covers ansian languages |
| 09:42.31 | raster | ie i type |
| 09:42.35 | raster | sakana |
| 09:42.36 | raster | and i get |
| 09:42.42 | laen | Thats nice, i can't even type the é at home on my laptop.. too lazy to config it, and stopped caring about special chars. |
| 09:42.45 | raster | ãã㪠|
| 09:42.50 | raster | or |
| 09:42.54 | raster | é |
| 09:43.11 | raster | (japanese romanisation mappign to the hiragana or kanji - theres more possibilities too...) |
| 09:43.29 | raster | so the idea is a dict can not just correct typos |
| 09:43.33 | raster | but be a shortcut for typing |
| 09:43.35 | raster | save effort |
| 09:43.39 | raster | AND |
| 09:43.41 | laen | Sweet. |
| 09:43.46 | raster | even handle input methods |
| 09:43.53 | raster | the ONLY problem with the asian one is |
| 09:43.56 | raster | there is no way to send |
| 09:44.00 | laen | And is that installed by default or what package are we talking about? |
| 09:44.02 | raster | é |
| 09:44.06 | raster | to x as a keystroke |
| 09:44.23 | raster | so the kbd would need to also do some tricky stuff i think with eithe rcopy and paste faking |
| 09:44.30 | raster | or reverse input methopds |
| 09:44.46 | raster | or a custom input method handler for gtk/qt and other widget sets |
| 09:44.54 | raster | anyway |
| 09:44.59 | raster | i'd like ti to be installed by default |
| 09:45.14 | raster | normally a phone is set up for a group of languages by default |
| 09:45.16 | laen | whats the anme of it? |
| 09:45.21 | laen | name* |
| 09:45.27 | raster | eg ina sia if u get a phone they do chinese, (traditional, simplified) english |
| 09:45.29 | raster | thats it |
| 09:45.36 | raster | in euroep u'll get a bunch of european langs |
| 09:45.42 | laen | stop talking about it |
| 09:45.46 | laen | and tell me the name of the package :P |
| 09:45.53 | raster | oh |
| 09:45.57 | raster | this doesn exsit |
| 09:45.59 | raster | exist |
| 09:46.04 | laen | oh lol |
| 09:46.06 | raster | its a plan |
| 09:46.09 | laen | but sounds like a good idea |
| 09:46.17 | raster | Daramarak wanted to hear my plans |
| 09:46.22 | laen | and it can be darn small too |
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| 09:46.31 | Daramarak | It was thinking of using a datastructure thats like a k-ary tree |
| 09:46.34 | ernst | Obama |
| 09:46.38 | raster | i have been thinking about trying the most universal solution i can think of to wntry of text world-wide |
| 09:46.53 | Daramarak | That would compress the dictionary and make lookup simpler. |
| 09:47.22 | ernst | can anyone tell me whats about ms4 fso ? Please. |
| 09:47.53 | methril | morning |
| 09:47.57 | laen | Morning :) |
| 09:48.55 | raster | Daramarak: i have kept clear of the tree structs |
| 09:49.04 | raster | basically because either u fidn a way to keep it flat mmaped from a file |
| 09:49.08 | raster | or u buiuld it in ram |
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| 09:49.10 | raster | if u build iut |
| 09:49.15 | raster | every tree node needs pointers |
| 09:49.18 | raster | pointers are big |
| 09:49.20 | raster | 4bytes each |
| 09:49.31 | laen | raster: now you're talking :) |
| 09:49.47 | raster | so even a simple binary tree has 8 bytes ovehread per letter |
| 09:49.50 | raster | plue alignment |
| 09:49.52 | raster | plus |
| 09:50.01 | raster | now if each letter isnt juyst 1 byte but utf8 |
| 09:50.07 | raster | its variable |
| 09:50.10 | raster | so 3 pointer |
| 09:50.12 | raster | (12 bytes) |
| 09:50.28 | raster | or its a glyph id (32bits - 16bits isnt enough for unicdoe anymore) |
| 09:50.32 | raster | so still 12 bytes |
| 09:50.34 | raster | :( |
| 09:50.53 | raster | i really dont like the feel of that |
| 09:51.41 | raster | right now illume mmaps the dict file |
| 09:51.47 | raster | that means if it isnt touched - it uses no ram |
| 09:51.56 | raster | as its just paged from disk on demand |
| 09:52.04 | raster | and thrown away when memory is needed |
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| 09:58.18 | Daramarak | I was thinking of a fileformat that supported the tree, so you could read and drop branches of the tree as needed |
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| 09:59.17 | raster | u want a format where u dont "read" the file |
| 09:59.25 | raster | but mmap it and just walk the memory |
| 09:59.31 | raster | thus u need a tree format that can be mmaped |
| 09:59.43 | raster | and thus not have pointers but relative offsets |
| 09:59.50 | raster | also maybe some way to get rid fo "pointers" |
| 10:00.59 | Daramarak | Yes |
| 10:01.38 | raster | ie flattening =rins of nodes |
| 10:01.44 | raster | so they are just one after the other |
| 10:01.51 | raster | at least break it into blocks |
| 10:01.58 | raster | that indirect to eachother |
| 10:02.07 | raster | so u have "clusters" of nodes |
| 10:02.28 | raster | something that contains maybe 64 or so nodes togehter |
| 10:02.42 | raster | than indirects out to other clusters only at the cluster edges |
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| 10:36.49 | Kensan_ | raster: ping |
| 10:45.13 | frank0 | brokenmoko<3<3<3 |
| 10:46.03 | laen | Thats not possible inless you throw it from a 20+ floor :P |
| 10:47.45 | laen | And then there's a big chance it hits a crater. |
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| 10:58.26 | Daramarak | raster: Is the prediction based on how close the "tap" was to the key or is it based on how often the word occurs? |
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| 11:02.53 | dns53 | so how many have tried andriod? |
| 11:03.20 | KenSentMe | I have |
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| 11:04.02 | dns53 | how stable is it and how long do you think they need to keep working before it's usable by everyone |
| 11:05.39 | KenSentMe | dns53, it's not suited for normal use atm. You need to turn off pin security on the sim and accepting calls didnt work on my phone. Also connecting to Wifi-netwerks doesnt work. And you have to turn off the suspend mode, because the phone cant wake from suspend atm. |
| 11:06.17 | dns53 | yeah i've read some of those suggestions, does it work as a phone and do android applications work? |
| 11:06.20 | KenSentMe | But it's nice to get a preview of android, especially in countries were the G1 isnt for sale |
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| 11:07.11 | KenSentMe | dns53, it doesnt work as a phone, because you cant accept incoming calls. Many android apps depend on internet connection and i havent managed to get that up |
| 11:07.51 | dns53 | it's amazing that they have done it so quickly, the source has been avalable for about 2 1/2 weeks |
| 11:08.22 | KenSentMe | Yeah, i think the first stable version isnt that far away |
| 11:08.34 | KenSentMe | Although im just a user, not a dev |
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| 11:10.57 | Kensan_ | dns53: Sean has had prior access to the source and has been working on it for the last couple of months. |
| 11:12.03 | dns53 | cool |
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| 11:13.36 | Kensan_ | dns53: I believe support for the Openmoko/Freerunner hardware is still somewhat missing so that needs to be integrated before it will work properly. |
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| 11:21.17 | pb__ | mickeyl: good morning |
| 11:21.38 | Fougner | :) |
| 11:26.05 | rwhitby | FYI: the G1 can now be reflashed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442831 |
| 11:26.12 | rwhitby | Perhaps we can put Openmoko on it now ... |
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| 11:30.29 | Kensan_ | rwhitby: interesting... |
| 11:30.47 | Kensan_ | pb__: hi |
| 11:31.26 | Kensan_ | pb__: do you have some pointers on how to compile an oe-image for thumb? |
| 11:32.39 | pb__ | hi Kensan |
| 11:32.46 | pb__ | did you see the note I posted to the oe mailing list? |
| 11:33.46 | pb__ | http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2008-October/006718.html |
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| 11:34.53 | Kensan_ | pb__: sorry, I am not subscribed to that list. |
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| 11:35.32 | pb__ | fair enough. I think mickeyl was going to forward it to openmoko-devel but maybe he forgot. |
| 11:35.48 | Kensan_ | pb__: that was the kind of pointer I was looking for :) |
| 11:35.55 | pb__ | ok, cool |
| 11:35.59 | pb__ | let me know if you have any trouble |
| 11:36.12 | Kensan_ | pb__: I want to see what kind of impact this has on boottime. |
| 11:36.20 | pb__ | by the way, it seems you need gcc-4.2 (rather than -4.1 as currently used for openmoko) to get correct thumb code generation for some packages. |
| 11:36.32 | Kensan_ | pb__: yeah, I'll come back with stupid questions for sure :) |
| 11:36.39 | Kensan_ | pb__: ok, good to know. |
| 11:36.55 | pb__ | good luck :-) |
| 11:37.01 | Kensan_ | pb__: so there's some compiler-bugs in 4.1 regarding thumb? |
| 11:37.18 | pb__ | yeah, 4.1 was hopelessly miscompiling part of libcurl for me |
| 11:38.04 | Kensan_ | pb__: o_0 |
| 11:38.16 | Kensan_ | pb__: hm python speedup sounds rather interesting. |
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| 11:38.47 | pb__ | yeah. it'd be interesting to build a profiled version of the python interpreter and see if there are any obvious places where it can be speeded up further. |
| 11:38.49 | ronny | hmm |
| 11:39.10 | pb__ | in some cases you do get better code by compiling particular, performance critical routines as arm rather than thumb. |
| 11:39.14 | ronny | python has various language features that massively slow it down unless one optimizes at runtime |
| 11:40.13 | ronny | i think it will be more usefull to wait for gobject-introspection and write performance-critical parts in vala |
| 11:40.43 | Kensan_ | pb__: ah but thumb should yield better resulst "in general" I assume. |
| 11:41.04 | pb__ | Kensan: right, that's the theory (and seems also to be true in practice from my experiments) |
| 11:41.25 | Kensan_ | pb__: hm there's other interesting posts from you on that ML, maybe I should subscribe... :) |
| 11:41.48 | pb__ | it's a tradeoff between better icache/memory bus usage on one hand, and better core CPI on the other hand. |
| 11:42.01 | CIA-52 | openmoko: 03charlie * r4762 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (8 files): Updated pesonnal wiki |
| 11:42.11 | pb__ | thumb obviously has worse cpi than arm in the core, but on gta01 that seems to be outweighed by the memory system advantages. |
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| 11:42.36 | pb__ | if you had a bigger cache, and/or faster main memory, the results would probably be different. |
| 11:42.53 | raster | Kensan_: pong |
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| 11:42.59 | raster | Daramarak: based on both |
| 11:43.02 | raster | its a combination |
| 11:43.18 | raster | so basically u press |
| 11:43.28 | raster | and that gives a list of keys u possibly hit for that tap |
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| 11:43.34 | raster | some closer, some further from your press |
| 11:43.46 | raster | the further from your press the higher the distance metric |
| 11:43.46 | Kensan_ | pb__: well the memory is THE bottleneck on the FR :( |
| 11:44.11 | raster | so iy takes all possible letter u could have presses per tap |
| 11:44.11 | raster | and all their distances |
| 11:44.19 | raster | and checks all permutations agains the dictionary |
| 11:44.22 | raster | finds matching words |
| 11:44.27 | Kensan_ | pb__: CPI? |
| 11:44.52 | raster | works out a general "likelihood" metric combining the word frequency metric + distance metric |
| 11:44.55 | raster | and then sorts by that |
| 11:44.58 | Kensan_ | raster: seems like the panny will be a bit late... (http://openpandora.org/blog.php) |
| 11:45.46 | Kensan_ | pb__: never mind :) |
| 11:46.27 | Kensan_ | pb__: would you know if somebody is working on supporting build of UBIFS rootimages in oe? |
| 11:46.34 | raster | Kensan_: hmmm. my order went thru the uk store... |
| 11:46.41 | raster | bugger |
| 11:47.06 | Kensan_ | raster: hm mine too I believe... I am not sure though. Well I'll see when I get a mail. |
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| 11:53.56 | pb__ | Kensan: cpi = clocks per instruction. worse cpi means that you get less throughput for a given number of MHz. |
| 11:54.52 | pb__ | strictly speaking, thumb and arm have exactly the same cpi, but the "effective cpi" is worse for thumb because you need multiple thumb instructions (hence multiple clock ticks) to do the work of one arm instruction. |
| 11:55.12 | pb__ | Kensan: as for ubifs, not that I know of. |
| 11:57.37 | Kensan_ | pb__: yeah I was a bit confused by the acronym but once I figured out what it mean I got it :) |
| 11:58.12 | Kensan_ | pb__: hm maybe nobody is using 2.6.27 yet... but I believe it will become rather popular. |
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| 12:01.18 | Daramarak | raster: Is there a weight the two metrics? Mine seem to favor much used words even when I am spot on the letter |
| 12:01.41 | Daramarak | that was "weight between the two metric" |
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| 12:05.55 | raster | Daramarak: yeah - there's a weight |
| 12:06.02 | raster | its hard-coded in |
| 12:06.08 | raster | i'll have to dig up the code |
| 12:06.53 | hackbert130 | hi, does anybody know how to handle the "CRC Error" thrown by upoot-envedit? It happens to me since a configure-uboot.sh script for debian messed up my uboot environment. Ican actually only boot from nor (but i need up to date uboot) |
| 12:07.46 | kd8ikt | yeah that happened to me aswell hackbert130 |
| 12:08.02 | hackbert130 | any fixes out there? |
| 12:08.25 | kd8ikt | you can flash the u-boot_env with the dfu-util |
| 12:08.36 | hackbert130 | i already tried the suggestions from wiki but no succsess |
| 12:08.52 | kd8ikt | like "dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -D bkupuboot_env.bin |
| 12:09.05 | kd8ikt | but lemmie guess you have no backup ;) |
| 12:09.19 | hackbert130 | ouch jeo thats it |
| 12:09.52 | kd8ikt | next time make a backup ;) |
| 12:09.54 | hackbert130 | no backup :( i was i bit fast with flashing when it came |
| 12:10.01 | kd8ikt | but here i know where one is |
| 12:10.03 | hackbert130 | for sure |
| 12:10.49 | hackbert130 | so where can i search? |
| 12:11.18 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko |
| 12:12.01 | hackbert130 | thanks so much, i spend about a day with the boot shell, hope it works ... |
| 12:13.39 | Daramarak | raster: It would be great to be able to configure it. |
| 12:14.47 | raster | Daramarak: ther's a fixme there as for "is this the best way to do this" |
| 12:14.50 | raster | should it be linear |
| 12:14.54 | raster | should it be logarithmic |
| 12:15.02 | raster | (distance callculation in general) |
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| 12:15.04 | raster | etc. etc. |
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| 12:26.07 | hackbert130 | mhm even the backup environment refuses to work, is there a way to completely write uboot and environmet new (what are the lowlevel files for?). If i boot from nand there is only one option "Boot" wich wants to boot a debian from sd, and wich doesnt work |
| 12:27.58 | kd8ikt | it didnt work? |
| 12:28.35 | hackbert130 | no, no changes :( |
| 12:29.01 | kd8ikt | its supposed to put it back to all the default menu items etc |
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| 12:30.22 | hackbert130 | yes me too, i completely dont understand whats goin on at the moment since uboot reads environment not from uboot_env partition |
| 12:31.59 | kd8ikt | cause that should of worked |
| 12:32.10 | kd8ikt | should've |
| 12:32.18 | kd8ikt | should have :P |
| 12:32.59 | kd8ikt | wonder if it matters what u-boot version |
| 12:33.44 | hackbert130 | yea i thought the problem would be that i dont have a binary standard environment (=no backup) but thats not all ... I tried several versions of uboot (i HAVE a backup of uboot, i only forgot the env) |
| 12:35.52 | hackbert130 | well thanks kd8ikt if anybody knows what theese lowlevel.bin files are for, please let me know! |
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| 13:06.54 | Kensan_ | mickeyl: ping |
| 13:07.38 | Daramarak | raster: If it is configurable (linear, logarithmic, weights), people might experiment and find good settings. Perhaps some of them can be used to create profiles for the keyboard later. (Sloppy typing, Pin point, and perhaps a mode that makes it possible to type with a finger. |
| 13:07.44 | Daramarak | ) |
| 13:08.04 | raster | Daramarak: sure. |
| 13:08.15 | raster | it makes sense |
| 13:08.19 | raster | i just havent done it |
| 13:08.24 | raster | its the least of my worries at the moment |
| 13:08.25 | raster | :) |
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| 13:09.20 | Daramarak | raster: I understand, where is this code located by the way? Perhaps i'll have a look at it. |
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| 13:10.22 | raster | e_kbd_dict.c |
| 13:10.28 | raster | in the illume moduel in e17's src tree |
| 13:10.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.21 | Daramarak | raster: Thanks. Ill have a look at it tonight, when I am done at work ;) |
| 13:12.06 | raster | its commented |
| 13:12.08 | raster | :) |
| 13:12.44 | Daramarak | good |
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| 13:15.55 | Daramarak | raster: By the way, I really like the keyboard, its a marvelous idea, but I guess you understood that :) |
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| 13:18.33 | raster | hahaa |
| 13:18.40 | raster | well trolltech did a lot of that |
| 13:18.42 | raster | they had the idea |
| 13:18.51 | raster | i just stole it and added improvements of my own |
| 13:18.51 | raster | :) |
| 13:18.58 | Daramarak | It is much better |
| 13:19.08 | Daramarak | I could not stand the qtopia one |
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| 13:22.02 | Daramarak | But I would like a button to clear the whole prediction, and one to just toggle prediction and direct entry. |
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| 13:22.36 | Daramarak | Would it be possible to tweek with the config files, or must code be changed? |
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| 13:24.23 | dent | hackbert130: if your lowlevel.bin question is stil topical: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader |
| 13:24.41 | dent | or, specifically: Download a small piece of code for low-level SDRAM timing initialization (overwrite 4k SRAM of steppingstone) |
| 13:24.53 | dent | (from the wiki) |
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| 13:29.28 | SpeedEvil | steppingstone is in ROM. |
| 13:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
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| 13:32.01 | dent | well, I don't partically understand that ^; my understanding just was that it initializes the memory somehow; I pasted the links as I bumped into that and saw a question about this flutter by |
| 13:33.00 | SpeedEvil | Steppingstone is 48K of mask ROM, that's executed on power-on for the SoC |
| 13:33.23 | SpeedEvil | It can boot from assorted sources depending on which pins are high or low. |
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| 13:37.49 | kd8ikt | found an easy way to carry around my stylus with my phone |
| 13:38.38 | kd8ikt | first i pulled the stylus tip out of the pen and just sort of shove it into the side of the lil fag bag it came with |
| 13:38.49 | kd8ikt | <mesh> |
| 13:39.22 | kd8ikt | that bag is great (its my screen protector) like hippies carry their bowls in those type bags ;) |
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| 13:41.19 | Daramarak | kd8ikt: So you removed the stylus from the pen? |
| 13:41.32 | kd8ikt | yeah all i need is that lil green pointer |
| 13:41.45 | kd8ikt | for detailed console work |
| 13:41.48 | dent | yeah, the pointer can be easily pulled out of the pen |
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| 13:42.09 | kd8ikt | but you know how the bag has a mesh sides? |
| 13:42.16 | Daramarak | Yes |
| 13:42.26 | kd8ikt | just sort of weave it in there like a guitar pick on the strings |
| 13:42.57 | kd8ikt | we'll see how long it takes for me to loose it |
| 13:43.07 | kd8ikt | lose ;) lol |
| 13:43.07 | Daramarak | Hmm, Perhaps some craftmanship would allow the whole pen in there :) |
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| 13:43.27 | kd8ikt | i dont see whynot but it'll make the sucker heavy |
| 13:43.32 | SpeedEvil | passes Daramarak a 14lb craftsman hammer. |
| 13:43.39 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 13:44.10 | Daramarak | Thanks SpeedEvil, ill use it to fine tune my creation ;) |
| 13:44.25 | kd8ikt | i'm seriously in love with the arkanoid c64 sid file for zhone |
| 13:44.29 | Kensan_ | olv: hi there |
| 13:44.56 | dent | I had an orgasm when I discovered there's a good old .sid :) |
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| 13:45.29 | dent | just thebeginning of the tune is a bit... unusual; I thought there's something wrong with the speaker when I heard it for the first time :) |
| 13:45.45 | kd8ikt | chip music |
| 13:46.16 | Kensan_ | olv: I have a question regarding your posting to the devel ml: you said that it is possible to drop udev altogether. How would you replace the functionality? Could you elaborate a bit? |
| 13:46.58 | kd8ikt | speaking of speakers mine arent the same the levels are different vol on one side is higher and almost non existent on the other |
| 13:47.07 | dent | I used the occasiona and added a profile with some other sid, picking one of the many lying around on my hdd :) |
| 13:47.29 | dent | btw. is the FSO terminal issue fixed in fso-testing? |
| 13:48.38 | kd8ikt | what issue |
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| 13:49.21 | dent | last week there was an issue in FSO - the openmoko-terminal2 wouldnt run |
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| 13:50.19 | kd8ikt | i'm using fso on debian so... kinda spartan |
| 13:53.03 | dent | I haven't found time yet to investigate this debian+fso, but it certainly sounds interesting |
| 13:55.08 | kd8ikt | i think i need to make a lil jffs image |
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| 13:58.32 | dent | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/196 here it is :-( |
| 13:59.44 | Dave | bah |
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| 14:03.51 | hackbert130 | dent: Thanks for the hint, ill take a look at that, i still dont get my nand uboot to work, but i kepp my focus on a usable debian i think, since every connectivity works there ... |
| 14:04.19 | kd8ikt | /usr/libexec/gnome-pty-helper |
| 14:07.38 | jonkristian | DAVE! |
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| 14:18.59 | bricode | Is anyone here using a 2.6.26 kernel on their FR? |
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| 14:21.46 | hackbert130 | how to use daily built if you cant ssh "no route to host" and no terminal? WTF? |
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| 14:26.37 | hackbert130 | was only on first boot |
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| 14:33.32 | kd8ikt | missing the usb_net kernel module? |
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| 14:41.00 | Daramarak | Am I the only one having problems with receiving SMSs and having to wait for ages before it appears in the messagebox? |
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| 14:59.38 | lloyd_fedora1 | is there any one working on a keyboard for android ? |
| 15:02.06 | Dave | Jonkristian :p |
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| 15:02.13 | beni_ | Ah the keyboard debate again |
| 15:02.23 | toggles_w | Dave: where is the keyboard in android? |
| 15:02.53 | gromez | there's no keyboard ... |
| 15:02.57 | Dave | Uggh |
| 15:03.04 | Zombywoof | Daramarak: No, I seem to have the same issue. |
| 15:03.07 | Dave | Please be patient, toggles :) |
| 15:03.22 | Dave | Good thing there isn't a camera to harass be about too :) |
| 15:03.25 | toggles_w | Dave: ok, let me know when you've finished it |
| 15:03.30 | Dave | Or else you guys would be asking about those bugs :D |
| 15:03.35 | gromez | http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/10/24/android.virtual.keyboard/ |
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| 15:04.03 | Daramarak | Zombywoof: I reload the whole message application, that usually fix it. |
| 15:05.04 | Dave | daramarak, what distro are you having these problems with? |
| 15:05.13 | Daramarak | 2008.9 |
| 15:06.32 | toggles_w | debian-gta02:~# apt-get compiz-fusion |
| 15:06.32 | toggles_w | E: Invalid operation compiz-fusion |
| 15:06.34 | toggles_w | damn.. |
| 15:07.04 | Dave | heh, yeah okay |
| 15:07.15 | Daramarak | It is very annoying. I get the dialog where I should be allowed to read the new message, instead I am directed to an earlyer message. |
| 15:07.18 | Dave | toggles? |
| 15:07.23 | Dave | Daramarak, yeah. |
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| 15:07.25 | toggles_w | Dave: ! |
| 15:07.41 | Dave | Daramarak, but has the incoming message already been received or displayed? |
| 15:07.57 | Zombywoof | Daramarak: How do you mean, you just restart the message-application or some service that handles sms? |
| 15:08.11 | Daramarak | The message application |
| 15:08.22 | lloyd_fedora1 | if koolu plans to ship android on their phones in november .. r they gonna ship it without a keyboard ? cause that would suck |
| 15:08.30 | Zombywoof | ok... I will try it later. Thnx! |
| 15:08.35 | Daramarak | I am not sure if it works, but it gives me something to do while I am waiting for the message :) |
| 15:08.41 | Zombywoof | =) |
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| 15:09.19 | Dave | heh |
| 15:09.24 | Dave | woof woof :P |
| 15:09.32 | Daramarak | Dave: I get a message that it is received, but it does not show up anywhere. |
| 15:09.49 | Dave | -anywhere- ? |
| 15:10.23 | Dave | In otherwords, it signals that one was received but doesn't displayed it? Does restarting the Messages application then display the last received message successfully? |
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| 15:10.40 | kd8ikt | how would i go about making a usb connector (male-male) |
| 15:10.41 | Zombywoof | Then my issue is a bit different, I do not seem to receive sms instantly, it takes quite a while for them to arrive, but when I get the notification of a new sms I can view it right away. |
| 15:11.03 | kd8ikt | just same colors together |
| 15:11.50 | Dave | eh? |
| 15:12.09 | Kensan_ | bricode: hi there. Are you trying to merge Freerunner patches into the Android kernel? |
| 15:12.26 | kd8ikt | (like using a gender changer adapter |
| 15:12.41 | Daramarak | I get a received signal, but I cannot see the message when I click yes too see it. When I see that I cannot find it in the list, I close the msg application and restarts it. Then usually I am able to find the message. |
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| 15:13.11 | Dave | kd8ikt: AH |
| 15:13.15 | Dave | then yes, I believe |
| 15:13.25 | Dave | I know this has been well documented online if you care to look. |
| 15:13.34 | Dave | They have pinouts, diagrams, etc. :) |
| 15:13.49 | Dave | (if you need it) |
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| 15:16.37 | kd8ikt | kinda doesnt matter just yet anyway cause i dont have the kmod for my usbdev |
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| 15:17.13 | kd8ikt | <cough> r8187 </cough> |
| 15:17.30 | Dave | :p |
| 15:17.52 | bricode | Kensan_: I've already got a patched 2.6.24 kernel, but Sean Mcneil has gone with 2.6.26 |
| 15:18.01 | Dave | hah |
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| 15:18.18 | kd8ikt | i'm about to break down and buy a SD card with neopwn |
| 15:18.27 | Dave | o.O |
| 15:18.31 | Dave | Try it out? |
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| 15:20.05 | Dave | Damn they're making money on that :p |
| 15:20.12 | Dave | dolf o/ |
| 15:20.31 | kd8ikt | yeah |
| 15:20.35 | kd8ikt | :P |
| 15:20.52 | Dave | kd8, as they say on neopwn, Own it.. before it owns you! |
| 15:21.08 | Dave | So, along those lines, you better hurry! |
| 15:21.33 | kd8ikt | psha |
| 15:22.11 | kd8ikt | just have to do it yourself with oe |
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| 15:22.41 | kd8ikt | badabing |
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| 15:23.37 | Dave | badaboom? |
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| 15:28.35 | kd8ikt | not very universal is it? usb... |
| 15:28.54 | kd8ikt | they should be combo male/female connectors |
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| 15:37.28 | mm | I want to write GUI programs in python. But when I say "import Tkinter" or "import gtk" they are not found. I am on OM2008.8. What should I do? FDOM? |
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| 15:40.58 | kd8ikt | found a new use for ide cablescraps |
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| 15:41.10 | kd8ikt | male/male usb |
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| 15:55.10 | Kensan_ | bricode: ah ok. I was just wondering since you were asking about 2.6.26. |
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| 15:59.40 | bricode | Kensan_: The kernel images that most people use on OM are 2.6.24. Just wondering what the general use was for 2.6.26 based kernels. |
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| 16:06.53 | mwester | bricode: Pretty much zero -- the problem being that 2.6.24 is the *only* kernel that has any chance of resuming from suspend, due to the glamo problems. Until Andy gets a workaround for that published, nothing except 2.6.24 is really usable by the community. :( |
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| 16:07.58 | bricode | mwester: That's what I thought. |
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| 16:09.37 | mwester | I just wish we knew what the status of that problem was; Andy insisted it was "foremost on his mind and desk" some days (week?) ago, but there just seems to be nothing happening -- only GTA03 stuff. |
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| 16:10.14 | mwester | I'm getting a very bad feeling about Om and the GTA02 right now. |
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| 16:12.01 | Kensan_ | bricode: I think just a couple lost souls are battling with anything different than the stock kernel. |
| 16:12.27 | Kensan_ | mwester: an QI of course... |
| 16:12.49 | mwester | Oh yes. Qi. (made necessary by GTA03, though) |
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| 16:14.19 | mwester | I just feel that it's close to where the community needs to send a GTA02 that has the WSoD symptoms to Harald, and then see if we can get enough contributions from the community to pay Harald to look at the problem. |
| 16:14.57 | XorA | Im surprised he doesnt have one already |
| 16:15.01 | Kensan_ | mwester: I think Harald had a quick look at one of mickey 's FRs which shows the simptoms |
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| 16:15.09 | Kensan_ | symptoms |
| 16:15.42 | Kensan_ | hm maybe we could ask the swisscom guys what they think... |
| 16:15.45 | mwester | XorA: Mickey had to go out there with a broken one. I'm also unable to help as not only do I lack the knowlege, my GTA02 works perfectly. |
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| 16:16.07 | mwester | never thought he would be wishing for a *broken* one! :-D |
| 16:16.07 | XorA | I think its hardware unfortuneately :-( |
| 16:16.17 | mwester | XorA: Everything points that way now. |
| 16:16.26 | timur | hmm, this may be a dumb question, but i'm wondering if it's possible to change the power used by the bt card in FR. i.e. is it possible to change the device class such that it changes power/range? |
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| 16:17.05 | XorA | mwester: from what Andy said, seems some phone are just on the edge with some signal timings |
| 16:17.08 | hama | micro-sd - how big can i go? 16gb? |
| 16:17.16 | XorA | mwester: is my guess from description anyway |
| 16:17.17 | mwester | timur: there is nothing exposed to do that in the stock kernel or BT firmware -- but perhaps someone has "hacked" that bluetooth device. |
| 16:18.12 | timur | mwester, all right, thanks. by the way what effect does setting the class with hciconfig have? |
| 16:18.24 | tomboy64 | hama: i think there's a compatibility sheet on the wiki |
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| 16:18.29 | tomboy64 | have a look at that |
| 16:18.50 | mwester | XorA: At this point, I would think that even though it might be sub-optimal, can't we just reset the glamo and bring it up as if it was a cold power-up? (I should ask Andy, I suppose.) |
| 16:19.09 | XorA | mwester: I thought that was what his last patchset did |
| 16:19.21 | XorA | mwester: but I lost track in the discussion |
| 16:19.55 | mwester | Hmm... I'll go look. If that works, however slowly, it would mean that we can consider the move to a newer kernel. Werner's wifi work awaits us on the newer kernel, that would be good to have. |
| 16:20.21 | XorA | mwester: I havent worked on the phone for 2 weeks or so, and I never suspend it |
| 16:21.46 | mwester | Kensan: did you ever get your debug board working? |
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| 16:23.44 | mwester | WoooO!!! :D First time in a long time that fso-image built without a single fail/fix/restart ! (10 hours, though -- wow) |
| 16:24.29 | kd8ikt | is milestone 4 out? |
| 16:25.21 | mwester | No, that's why a clean build is so unusual -- the tip of the dev branch in OE is rapidly changing. |
| 16:25.33 | mwester | And not just because of FSO activity. |
| 16:26.15 | kd8ikt | i hear that |
| 16:26.21 | Tig| | kd8ikt: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone4 <--- keep an eye on that page |
| 16:26.24 | pb__ | oh, very good. I should try that for myself, I haven't been able to build fso-image for ages. |
| 16:26.28 | mwester | So now that I have a clean build, I can build an FSO-based toolchain/SDK, and if that works at all, I'll feel good enough about it to commit the recipe. :) |
| 16:27.31 | mwester | pb__: I think it was zecke's ENTERPRISE stuff he just committed that cleaned up the last of the issue I encountered. It all looks good so far. :) |
| 16:27.46 | pb__ | excellent |
| 16:28.02 | pb__ | <3 zecke |
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| 16:28.52 | emilis_info | fdom rootfs download disconnects |
| 16:28.58 | pb__ | I'll start bitbaking immediately, before anybody else has a chance to break it again |
| 16:29.06 | emilis_info | FF was silent about it |
| 16:29.13 | emilis_info | I'm glad I have wget |
| 16:29.13 | emilis_info | :) |
| 16:30.07 | tomboy64 | lol |
| 16:32.56 | slaxxin | 2008.9/fdom is good |
| 16:34.00 | emilis_info | 2007.11 or whatitsnamed that shipped with my Neo had better usability, but too many bugs |
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| 16:39.09 | igor321 | how do i get the abc keyboard thing in the daily image? |
| 16:39.15 | igor321 | what do i need to install? |
| 16:41.17 | dolf1074 | Is here somebody with an android that boots, but also cannot call or get called. Or am I the only one with an android that doesn't want to call? |
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| 16:54.52 | Kensan_ | mwester: not yet. I do get output garbled output from the serial console though. |
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| 16:55.03 | damkor | hi |
| 16:55.10 | damkor | I need help |
| 16:55.12 | Kensan_ | mwester: but I also don't get access to uboot which seems strange. So something must still be off.. |
| 16:55.48 | damkor | when I start openmoko, it shows the logo (openmoko) in this yellow-and-black background, and nothing else happens |
| 16:56.02 | damkor | it only happens if the usb cable is plugged |
| 16:56.36 | damkor | I cannot turn it off, I have to remove the battery |
| 16:57.14 | damkor | can anyone help me? |
| 16:58.08 | [df] | what distro are you running? |
| 16:58.14 | damkor | 2008 |
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| 16:59.00 | [df] | have you flashed your bootloader? |
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| 16:59.06 | damkor | nope |
| 16:59.21 | damkor | I bought the unit with a 2007, and updated without reflashing it |
| 16:59.30 | [df] | oh |
| 16:59.32 | damkor | because I thought it wasn't necessary |
| 16:59.35 | [df] | I think that's not recommended |
| 16:59.39 | damkor | but it now goes dead slow |
| 16:59.45 | damkor | what's not? |
| 16:59.53 | [df] | updating between distros |
| 16:59.53 | damkor | reflashing or not reflashing? |
| 17:00.00 | [df] | you could just reflash it to 2008 and see if that helps? |
| 17:00.42 | damkor | hmm |
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| 17:01.20 | damkor | sure |
| 17:01.23 | damkor | just one question |
| 17:01.29 | damkor | I used this graphical program |
| 17:01.31 | damkor | to do everything |
| 17:01.49 | damkor | I provided the new kernel, and the new filesystem |
| 17:02.03 | damkor | what you are asking me to do is to provide... |
| 17:02.04 | damkor | ? |
| 17:02.10 | Kensan_ | mwester: could you help me with the debugboard issue by comparing my settings to yours in two or three hours from now? |
| 17:03.55 | TAsn | hey, how come when i set the moko to usb host, connect something and do lsusb i don't see it? furthermore, the device isn't powered. |
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| 17:04.01 | TAsn | (the usb device) |
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| 17:05.22 | damkor | [df]: how do I do that? |
| 17:05.33 | damkor | I can't find the right web :( |
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| 17:05.42 | damkor | (wiki page) |
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| 17:06.14 | damkor | (got it) |
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| 17:06.20 | [df] | sorry, being distracted by work |
| 17:06.29 | [df] | you mean http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ? |
| 17:07.09 | damkor | yeap |
| 17:07.15 | damkor | but the question is |
| 17:07.24 | damkor | I changed the rootfs and the kernel |
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| 17:07.29 | damkor | I didn't touch anything else |
| 17:07.34 | damkor | is this what you were asking? |
| 17:07.37 | kd8ikt | thats not a question |
| 17:07.54 | damkor | Or shall I change something else? |
| 17:08.41 | damkor | kd8ikt: yes it is, you have to be pacient, you see? ;) |
| 17:08.48 | dent | just flash the rootfs and kernel |
| 17:08.55 | dent | afaik, that is :) |
| 17:09.13 | dent | there's a logo somewhere I guess, but that's not important |
| 17:09.23 | dent | and probably no need to flash uboot |
| 17:09.27 | damkor | well, that's what I did |
| 17:09.46 | [df] | so that's what you meant by updated? |
| 17:09.50 | pb__ | mwester: doh, I still have a do_fetch failure in illume. |
| 17:09.52 | dent | did? So you flashed 2008.x? I thought you're talking about 2007.x |
| 17:10.24 | damkor | well, I might have misled you a bit, my bad |
| 17:10.34 | damkor | yeap, I flashed the unit, but only the rootfs and the kernel |
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| 17:10.48 | dent | and ended up with not-booting fr? |
| 17:11.01 | damkor | only when the usb cable is plugged |
| 17:11.16 | [df] | plugged into power, or plugged into a computer? |
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| 17:11.42 | damkor | plugged into a computer |
| 17:11.48 | damkor | didn't try with the power cable |
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| 17:37.51 | bricode | mwester: you still around? |
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| 17:39.06 | hama | is there a link for an image of milestone4? |
| 17:40.01 | mwester | bricode: between meetings, I'm around for a few minutes. :) |
| 17:40.46 | bricode | Do you have your kernel source posted somewhere? I heard that your kernels are some of the only ones that suspend/resue reliably. |
| 17:40.46 | emilis_info | how do I set timezone on my FDOM/Om2008.9? It doesn't change after editing /etc/timezone and rebooting |
| 17:40.48 | emilis_info | :( |
| 17:40.57 | damkor | hi |
| 17:41.02 | damkor | I have another problem |
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| 17:41.15 | damkor | I get a "no GPS found" message |
| 17:41.17 | damkor | in tangoGPS |
| 17:41.37 | cjb | damkor: is gpsd running? |
| 17:43.22 | mwester | bricode: http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/openmoko-kernel/knife-kernel.git (The latest "stable" kernels are on the mwester-stable branch, commit 291a9d500ccfade6814857d170ab14aed8a31142) |
| 17:43.30 | damkor | nope |
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| 17:44.13 | bricode | mwester: Thanks. Looking to get a decent kernel for A. |
| 17:44.49 | mwester | bricode: I am actually somewhat perplexed by the claimed stability of those; I audited that particular commit against the Om stable branch, and the only difference was the GSM debugging code, and the defconfig -- that shouldn't be enough to make it suspend/resume differently, IMO. |
| 17:45.09 | damkor | cjb: shouldn't it start automatically? |
| 17:46.11 | mwester | bricode: Also note that the tip of the mwester-stable branch is probably only stable for the GTA01 -- I think that resume is broken on that branch for the GTA02, but I do not have a v6 GTA02 with the WSoD problem so I can't really confirm it. That's why the kernels I have are relatively old right now. |
| 17:46.35 | bricode | mwester: Okay. Just wanted to check in with your status. |
| 17:49.05 | Dave | Mwester is stable? |
| 17:49.25 | cga | http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/alex-castellanos-obama-the-open-source-president/ |
| 17:49.34 | mwester | Oh no, you got that quite wrong. Mwester himself is as unstable as room-temperature nitro. |
| 17:49.43 | Dave | :D |
| 17:49.50 | Dave | haha, that's what I thought ;) |
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| 17:50.49 | damkor | "Starting gpsd: No GPS device, aborting gpsd startup." |
| 17:51.25 | Dave | edit your gpsd default configuration |
| 17:51.39 | Dave | or use gpsd /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 17:52.10 | damkor | hmm |
| 17:52.13 | damkor | why is this happening? |
| 17:52.27 | Dave | CONFIGURE GPSD |
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| 17:53.07 | damkor | yeah, but the question really is: isn't the hardware sort of fixed for all openmoko, and this kind of configuration could be provided working by default? |
| 17:53.12 | Dave | open /etc/default/gpsd and see what it has in there |
| 17:53.13 | damkor | or am I missing something? |
| 17:53.27 | Dave | Yeah, it was changed, but not for all distros. |
| 17:53.35 | damkor | I see |
| 17:53.36 | Dave | or whoever originally packaged it. |
| 17:53.38 | Dave | shrugs |
| 17:53.51 | Dave | GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" is what should be set |
| 17:54.12 | Dave | check it out, if it's different then that explains why it errors out (this is what everybody got, a long time ago) |
| 17:55.36 | Dave | Yeah whoever originally packaged it was dumb and didn't think to check it out or something, or didn't change the default device to the appropriate one on the freerunner (I think it was originally set to dev tty3 or something odd, by default). |
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| 17:56.49 | damkor | well, it starts now |
| 17:56.50 | Dave | jonkristian, hvordan går det med min norske venn? :] |
| 17:56.52 | damkor | thanks, dave |
| 17:56.54 | Dave | damkor \o/ |
| 17:57.20 | Dave | Now go find a window or go outside (under an umbrella if you're here), and wait a minute or two if you want a GPS fix :D |
| 17:57.28 | jonkristian | Sådär |
| 17:57.31 | jonkristian | :) |
| 17:57.34 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:00.37 | damkor | can't get a position |
| 18:01.00 | mwester | Yeah. That's why Dave told you to go outside! |
| 18:01.22 | damkor | I'm next to the window |
| 18:01.41 | SpeedEvil | Some windows are not transparent to GPS. |
| 18:01.45 | Dave | First make sure the GPS antenna is powered up |
| 18:01.52 | Dave | Also, leave it there for ten or so minutes |
| 18:02.26 | Dave | If after fifteen minutes goes by and nothing works, you should probably fuck with the glamo settings (provided you're using it with a microSD card). |
| 18:03.23 | mwester | What SpeedEvil said -- very true. The newer energy-efficient windows are very "non-transparent" -- I have them in my office here, and get a better GPS signal on my desk surface than on the window sill. |
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| 18:04.03 | mwester | damkor: Also, place the FR in the "up" position -- use a coffee cup to hold it upright if necessary. |
| 18:04.13 | SpeedEvil | An empty coffee cup. |
| 18:04.17 | mwester | hehe! |
| 18:04.53 | Dave | My window next to me amplifies GPS signals? |
| 18:05.12 | Dave | Mwester, I personally found it works better if you simply place it IN the coffee cup! |
| 18:05.30 | Dave | And yes, in a CLEAN and empty one :p |
| 18:05.32 | Dave | silliness. |
| 18:05.45 | Dave | I don't think ANYONE would ever offer insurance on a freerunner :P |
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| 18:05.50 | SpeedEvil | If you use a really hot cup of tea, the position can be almost infinitely off. |
| 18:06.01 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I've got insurance on my GTA01 |
| 18:06.06 | Dave | Really? |
| 18:06.12 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 18:06.22 | Dave | Who offered it? |
| 18:06.35 | SpeedEvil | I phoned several companies offering mobile insurance. |
| 18:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I don't have the details to hand. |
| 18:06.54 | SpeedEvil | Used the first that wasn't bothered that they hadn't heard of it. |
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| 18:10.07 | Dave | I see, alright. |
| 18:10.07 | Dave | I was just interested. |
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| 18:18.37 | SpeedEvil | Dave: http://eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk/index.php?id=445 |
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| 18:22.00 | TAsn | can anyone here help me with something about fso dbus interface? |
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| 18:26.45 | Dave | Aha |
| 18:26.51 | Dave | Tasn, is it failing you? |
| 18:27.11 | TAsn | actually not |
| 18:27.19 | emilis_info | haha OpenMooCow |
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| 18:27.26 | TAsn | it's just that there are many ways to understand each iface |
| 18:27.30 | Dave | YES |
| 18:27.51 | TAsn | for instance is it correct to use resource.disable to close gsm, or is it more correct to shut down the ant? |
| 18:27.58 | TAsn | same goes for bt, wifi and etc. |
| 18:28.08 | TAsn | what does disable actually do? |
| 18:28.14 | TAsn | etc etc ;] |
| 18:28.22 | TAsn | i had more better questions that i have forgot. |
| 18:28.34 | Dave | usually it's if you trust it, otherwise they do the same thing |
| 18:28.49 | Dave | some people who trust the api will still just manipulate the device's power state :p |
| 18:29.10 | TAsn | im making a quick settings gui for few fso settings |
| 18:29.16 | TAsn | bt/wifi/gsm power |
| 18:29.21 | TAsn | and gprs connect/disconnect |
| 18:29.22 | Dave | cool :) |
| 18:29.26 | Dave | I hope it works! |
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| 18:30.08 | TAsn | it does |
| 18:30.20 | TAsn | well except for gsm that i just finished and gonna give a try ;] |
| 18:30.56 | toggles_w | Dave: have you finished the camera software for android yet? |
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| 18:33.13 | Dave | All sources point to No |
| 18:33.19 | Dave | Please try again later! |
| 18:33.32 | toggles_w | Dave: will do, I'll be back again soon |
| 18:33.34 | Dave | Tasn, I hope the Bt settings work :) |
| 18:33.45 | Dave | toggles - uggh - I'm sure :P |
| 18:34.24 | toggles_w | dont sound so happy |
| 18:34.35 | TAsn | Dave, they do |
| 18:34.43 | TAsn | although that's just turn on and turn off |
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| 18:34.50 | TAsn | though that's enough for most parts. |
| 18:35.44 | Dave | Tasn, yeah :p |
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| 18:35.53 | Dave | it doesn't have to be -that- smart, I guess :) |
| 18:35.59 | TAsn | ;] |
| 18:36.04 | TAsn | gotta add usb host |
| 18:36.09 | TAsn | and that's enough for the meanwhile |
| 18:36.26 | laen | Yay for gmpc! |
| 18:36.48 | Dave | Yay for laen! |
| 18:36.52 | laen | Yay! |
| 18:36.54 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:38.03 | TAsn | damn |
| 18:38.18 | TAsn | gsm doesn't like to be turned off. |
| 18:38.51 | Dave | hah |
| 18:39.08 | Dave | In my experience it didn't want to turn back on (correctly) |
| 18:39.09 | TAsn | damn |
| 18:39.19 | TAsn | moko doesn't like that either |
| 18:39.21 | TAsn | it's slooowww |
| 18:39.34 | Dave | and broken? |
| 18:39.42 | TAsn | Dave, maybe i should try suspend/resume |
| 18:39.48 | TAsn | (the gsm) |
| 18:39.49 | Dave | oh god |
| 18:39.49 | Dave | :P |
| 18:39.57 | TAsn | anyhow, im hiding the button from now on ;] |
| 18:40.25 | Dave | gray it out |
| 18:40.34 | Dave | To disappoint or intrigue users :P |
| 18:40.55 | TAsn | hehe ;] |
| 18:41.01 | TAsn | and i have another issue |
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| 18:41.22 | TAsn | i can't find libmokoui2 python bindings |
| 18:41.35 | TAsn | well, users will just have to deal with a non mokoish iface ;] |
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| 18:41.42 | laen | Openbox on the Openmoko.. meant to be <3 |
| 18:41.45 | TAsn | i.e regular gtk. |
| 18:41.48 | TAsn | laen, hehe. |
| 18:41.55 | TAsn | im off. |
| 18:42.07 | TAsn | btw daMaestro |
| 18:42.10 | TAsn | Dave, * |
| 18:42.18 | TAsn | bt and gprs work like a charm |
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| 18:42.34 | TAsn | same goes for wifi, though i don't know what's that for anyway ;] |
| 18:43.00 | TAsn | cy. |
| 18:43.03 | TAsn | cya. |
| 18:43.23 | Dave | :) |
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| 18:49.53 | Daramarak | why was the moko designed completly round, it is impossible to make it stand! |
| 18:50.15 | Daramarak | Ah, to sell mokostands! |
| 18:50.54 | leinir | It stands fine! ...on its side :) |
| 18:51.03 | Daramarak | True |
| 18:51.11 | leinir | Rotate screen 90 degrees, hey presto ;) |
| 18:51.31 | Daramarak | But how do I do that? |
| 18:51.44 | Dave | daramark, yeah that's pretty stupid |
| 18:51.50 | Dave | hahaha mokostands |
| 18:51.51 | Dave | YES |
| 18:52.01 | Dave | I already had to fashion a couple makeshift ones :p |
| 18:52.22 | Dave | It's easier for me I guess |
| 18:52.29 | Dave | I can just order leinir to sit there, holding it for me ;) |
| 18:52.35 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 18:52.49 | Daramarak | Lucky you |
| 18:53.03 | leinir | Daramarak: It depends on the version of the software you run :) |
| 18:53.51 | Daramarak | Well I run 2008.9, and I cannot seem to make it happen. It was those accelerometers, but they do not seem to do the trick. |
| 18:53.58 | Dave | Daramarak, if you hold the AUX button for 3 seconds or so, does it come up with a menu enabling you to do that? |
| 18:54.18 | leinir | There's... erhm... TapUntap or something like that :) |
| 18:54.50 | Daramarak | I can only lock and ulock with the aux |
| 18:55.06 | Dave | lame |
| 18:55.12 | Dave | you could always try xrandr :D |
| 18:56.36 | hackbert130 | damarak: xrandr -d:0 -o right should do it (at least on my debian, but i think xrandr is the same on om) |
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| 18:58.48 | Daramarak | bloody hell, now my render keyboard is gone again |
| 18:59.19 | Daramarak | The cat ate my headset, and now I think TangoGPS ate my keyboard |
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| 19:01.56 | Daramarak | render=raster |
| 19:05.26 | Dave | hah |
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| 19:09.50 | Daramarak | has it really not been published a tool that reads accelerometers and rotates the screen? |
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| 19:11.10 | Daramarak | hmm, my raster keyboard does not work fine with a rotated display |
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| 19:12.15 | hackbert130 | maybe tslib didnt notice the rotation had that issue a while ago but i reflashed since then ... |
| 19:13.15 | Dave | Daramarak :[ |
| 19:13.25 | Dave | hackerbert, yeah, that's a debian thing... |
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| 19:13.45 | Tig| | Daramarak: yes there is a tool to do that I have used it in the past |
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| 19:14.33 | orensbruli | I've just received my freerunner! I'm so excited :D |
| 19:14.59 | Tig| | Quiet Dave! |
| 19:15.07 | haakeyar | Bah, I'h |
| 19:15.19 | haakeyar | (accidentaly pressed the enter key) |
| 19:15.23 | Daramarak | orensbruli: Congratulations! |
| 19:16.25 | haakeyar | Daramarak: Does the keyboard dissapear completely or do you instead see the qtopia keyboard? |
| 19:16.34 | Dave | haha |
| 19:16.49 | Dave | Qtopia?? |
| 19:16.52 | Daramarak | I see the qtopia one, I disabled it. |
| 19:16.56 | Tig| | I had a keyboard but tangogps eated it? :P |
| 19:16.59 | Dave | What's going on? |
| 19:17.10 | Dave | Furthermore, what the fuck are you people talking about? |
| 19:17.21 | toggles_w | Dave: android silly |
| 19:18.29 | Tig| | (uk joke) would a silly android advertise mashed potato? |
| 19:18.30 | Daramarak | But now after a quick suspend and resume the screen is shifted so while earlyer i pressed on the screen and got a tap a complete other place, I now get the tap and press from the stylus is correct, but the screen is shifted instead. |
| 19:19.00 | toggles_w | Tig|: i don't get it |
| 19:19.12 | toggles_w | Tig|: will it come with a soft keyboard? |
| 19:19.34 | Tig| | toggles_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAbJjktk7E |
| 19:20.04 | Tig| | sound might be loud |
| 19:20.12 | haakeyar | Daramarak: You disabled the qtopia keyboard because you instead wanted to the raster keyboard, but still the qtopia keyboard sometimes comes up instead of the raster keyboard? I had the same problem. |
| 19:20.24 | Daramarak | Yes |
| 19:20.39 | haakeyar | Ok, I'll look up how I fixed it. ;) |
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| 19:20.53 | Daramarak | I think it is fixed now. Edited a qtopia configuration file. |
| 19:21.01 | Daramarak | Found it on the wiki |
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| 19:22.57 | toggles_w | Tig|: very loud |
| 19:23.04 | Tig| | yes :( |
| 19:23.09 | haakeyar | Daramarak: You added " export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" to the end of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia" as described in the wiki? |
| 19:23.39 | haakeyar | Daramarak: That didn't work for me. I had to move it further up in the file. |
| 19:25.56 | Daramarak | I put it along with the other exports |
| 19:26.39 | toggles_w | Tig|: i still don't get it, i want my android to come with a keyboard not a potato ;-) |
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| 19:27.02 | Dave | POTATO! |
| 19:27.02 | Tig| | :) |
| 19:27.32 | toggles_w | Potaaahto |
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| 19:28.00 | haakeyar | Daramarak: Ok, that's what worked for me too. I think the wiki should be modified. |
| 19:28.28 | haakeyar | In http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate under How to install the illume (Raster's) keyboard ?, a command which adds the export to the end of the file is used. |
| 19:29.06 | Dave | fires potatoes at Tig's base. |
| 19:29.15 | Dave | Keyboard_Debate? |
| 19:29.18 | yabo | in linux |
| 19:29.38 | cjb_ie | Dave: "all your potato are belong to us"? |
| 19:29.39 | yabo | when you're defining a variable or whatever it is you do when instead of the normal shell-prompt, you get a > |
| 19:29.43 | yabo | how do you quit that? |
| 19:31.13 | haakeyar | yabo: You probably didn't properly end a string. Type ' or ". |
| 19:31.24 | F4t | or ctrl+c? |
| 19:31.37 | haakeyar | that would work too ;) |
| 19:32.03 | yabo | ctrl+c didnt work |
| 19:32.28 | yabo | but i got out |
| 19:33.34 | F4t | how did you get out then? |
| 19:34.57 | yabo | i opened a new shell.... :P |
| 19:34.59 | Dave | haha, cjb |
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| 19:35.00 | yabo | giggle |
| 19:35.01 | Dave | yeehaw |
| 19:35.14 | Dave | yabo :P |
| 19:35.32 | Dave | :OOOOOOOO |
| 19:35.43 | Dave | er du norsk? |
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| 19:36.09 | yabo | jea |
| 19:36.14 | yabo | det er så mange her! |
| 19:36.17 | Dave | :DDDDDDDD |
| 19:36.18 | yabo | traff to i går også |
| 19:36.29 | Dave | hehe |
| 19:36.38 | F4t | wtf |
| 19:36.38 | Dave | du er kul :p |
| 19:36.39 | Daramarak | moko er tydelig veldig populært i norge |
| 19:36.57 | Dave | Tydeligvis :DD |
| 19:37.05 | yabo | oi hihi |
| 19:37.08 | yabo | moro :D |
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| 19:37.11 | Dave | jajaja |
| 19:37.31 | haakeyar | Dave and yabo: #openmoko-no (yes, I'm Norwegian too) |
| 19:37.34 | Dave | Norge \o/ |
| 19:37.43 | Dave | kul kul |
| 19:38.56 | Ke | vädret är jättebra i norge |
| 19:39.33 | Dave | MOAR!?!?! |
| 19:39.48 | Dave | terve |
| 19:41.20 | dolf1074 | Oh het is hier dat ze beginnerslessen Noors geven. |
| 19:41.31 | Dave | jaja |
| 19:41.37 | Dave | meeeeeeeeeer nooooooooooooors \o/ |
| 19:41.52 | Dave | dolf, er zijn hier veel Noors :p |
| 19:42.19 | Dave | ja, en Nederlanders ook |
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| 19:42.40 | yabo | so |
| 19:42.45 | yabo | 2008.9 |
| 19:42.50 | yabo | reinstalling pygtk |
| 19:42.56 | yabo | how do i do that? |
| 19:43.13 | yabo | opgk remove pygtk; opkg install pygtk? |
| 19:43.13 | yabo | :| |
| 19:43.16 | Dave | ja |
| 19:43.22 | Dave | --force-reinstall? |
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| 19:43.36 | Dave | ^^ |
| 19:43.52 | yabo | opkg install -force-reinstall pygtk? |
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| 19:44.54 | yabo | er det riktig? få hele linja vær så snill.. :p |
| 19:46.00 | Dave | mmhmm |
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| 19:46.13 | yabo | okay thanks |
| 19:46.19 | Dave | :] |
| 19:46.32 | Dave | if it breaks, come back and complain! |
| 19:46.33 | yabo | får feil når jeg prøver å importere gtk nemlig.. |
| 19:50.41 | haakeyar | yabo: By speaking Norwegian, none of the other people in this channel will be able to help you. The problem with importing gtk is known (and I thought it was fixed). If you search for it, you'll probably see how to fix it manually. |
| 19:50.57 | haakeyar | Or maybe it is fixed in the latest testing. You could try opkg upgrade pygtk |
| 19:51.08 | haakeyar | (after running opkg update) |
| 19:51.47 | yabo | it does not work after update/upgrade, but ill search around, thanks |
| 19:52.11 | yabo | I am looking for a list of opkg errorcodes, where can i find that? |
| 19:52.56 | yabo | nvm found it |
| 19:53.30 | yabo | opkg install -force-reinstall pygtk gave me a code 2: Error parsing config file |
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| 19:54.15 | haakeyar | yabo: How about just opkg upgrade pygtk? |
| 19:54.28 | haakeyar | (opkg update; opkg upgrade pygtk;) |
| 19:54.49 | haakeyar | instead of reinstall |
| 19:55.00 | yabo | okidoki¨' |
| 19:58.44 | Daramarak | What are those + signs and the * on the bottom of the om2008? |
| 20:00.08 | emacsian | Daramarak: Probably the bounds |
| 20:01.40 | Dave | yabo o_O |
| 20:01.54 | yabo | hm? |
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| 20:06.42 | haakeyar | Daramarak: Don't know what the + and * does, but the buttons are short cuts to applications. Add "Bar" to Categories in the desktop of an application to put it there. |
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| 20:08.58 | hackbert130 | anyone out there who got right click emulation to work on debian? |
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| 20:10.21 | F4t | hackbert130, nop, but i did manage to decrease the annoying jitter |
| 20:10.47 | hackbert130 | how did you do that? tweak or harder? |
| 20:10.58 | F4t | teaked ts.conf |
| 20:11.02 | F4t | tweaked* |
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| 20:11.08 | hackbert130 | in /etc/ ? |
| 20:11.12 | F4t | ye |
| 20:11.23 | hackbert130 | ok thx will take a look at that |
| 20:11.36 | emacsian | I installed raster keyboard and disabled the qtopia one but now I don't get any keyboard. |
| 20:11.50 | F4t | ill send u in private how mine looks like now |
| 20:12.25 | Daramarak | have you restarted the xserver? |
| 20:12.37 | emacsian | yeah I've done it |
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| 20:13.45 | emacsian | i see qwerty on the top left corner, but when I tap on it no keyboard |
| 20:14.36 | yabo | emacsian, opkg install illume-config |
| 20:14.44 | yabo | i think thats what fixed it for me.. |
| 20:14.50 | yabo | i had the same problem yesterday |
| 20:15.38 | yabo | oh |
| 20:15.41 | yabo | nevermind |
| 20:15.53 | yabo | [21:11] <emacsian> I installed raster keyboard |
| 20:16.00 | yabo | i guess my method wont work for that |
| 20:17.28 | emacsian | I read the wiki again, it says switch keyboard from NONE to DEFAULT in illume's preferences |
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| 20:17.57 | emacsian | is it some config file? |
| 20:18.29 | Daramarak | you can do it from the interface, the small wrench on the dropdown |
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| 20:19.49 | mek__ | hello everybody |
| 20:20.03 | emacsian | Daramarak: sorry, I didn't get it |
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| 20:20.32 | mek__ | I'm a new-happy neo freerunner owner... |
| 20:20.46 | Dave | mek! |
| 20:20.57 | mek__ | yep! |
| 20:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Mek: don't worry, it won't last long. |
| 20:21.01 | Sargun | mek__, congratulations. |
| 20:21.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:21.07 | mek__ | =) |
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| 20:21.19 | Dave | Welcome to the insanity which is, Openmoko. |
| 20:21.20 | SpeedEvil | Mek: it is a nifty bit of hardware. |
| 20:21.23 | Daramarak | The dropdown menu on the top, there you have a small wrench which you can configure illume with. (You do have illume-config installed?) |
| 20:21.34 | lindi- | is happily ircing with fr |
| 20:21.35 | emacsian | yeah, |
| 20:21.40 | Dave | Let this me a historic moment in time, from here on out, your life as you know it will begin to decline. |
| 20:21.43 | Dave | lindi :p |
| 20:21.45 | emacsian | opkg instal says it is already installed and uptodate |
| 20:21.46 | mek__ | yep, I've realized that... |
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| 20:22.10 | mek__ | I'm really a noob into linux world, so more on openmoko |
| 20:22.33 | mek__ | but I've always been able to solve problems on my own (google :)) |
| 20:22.43 | Daramarak | mek__ that is great if you like challenges :) |
| 20:23.13 | mek__ | I do like them =) especially 'cause I bought this piece of hardware for just one purpose |
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| 20:23.22 | dolf1074 | android users here? |
| 20:23.27 | dent | mek__: and that is? |
| 20:24.11 | mek__ | let's say that my objective in my life has always been to let people think with their own mind instead of blah-blah-media... you know... |
| 20:24.27 | mek__ | call me activist, or whatever... |
| 20:24.39 | dent | and how does the FR fit into that? |
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| 20:26.04 | fredrin | dent: FR is a nice tool for hacktivisim.... |
| 20:26.31 | dent | and for hadrenaline too :) |
| 20:27.16 | Kensan | Dave: evening. I wonder what mwester would say to all this youthly optimism ;) |
| 20:27.19 | igor321 | hello, anyone know how to fix opkg error 2 |
| 20:27.31 | igor321 | i am getting it on a fresh fdom install |
| 20:27.35 | Dave | Haha |
| 20:28.04 | Dave | Kensan, something along the lines of, "Those poor deluded fools... *shakes head in hands*", methinks. |
| 20:28.10 | Dave | :) |
| 20:28.27 | Kensan | he |
| 20:28.28 | Kensan | h |
| 20:28.31 | Kensan | raster: ping |
| 20:28.33 | emacsian | igor321: Try doing opkg update first |
| 20:28.49 | igor321 | emacsian: i did |
| 20:29.09 | bricode | dolf1074: I'm around. |
| 20:29.30 | dolf1074 | Is there already a working virtual keyboard? |
| 20:29.59 | Dave | With android? |
| 20:30.02 | dolf1074 | yes |
| 20:30.04 | Dave | No |
| 20:30.08 | Daramarak | gotta go, cya all. Bye. |
| 20:30.17 | Dave | there is one... but it's not working yet :) |
| 20:30.55 | dolf1074 | I read something about that xda-developers are busy with one, but the site is a little bit down |
| 20:31.12 | dolf1074 | Then I did also found |
| 20:31.13 | dolf1074 | http://code.google.com/android/adc_gallery/app.html?id=38 |
| 20:31.31 | dolf1074 | But I think that only work on applications adapted to use that |
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| 20:32.02 | mek__ | fredrin: you said that |
| 20:33.47 | mwester | Yay!! More fresh victims! |
| 20:35.02 | Kensan | mwester: oh there you are :) |
| 20:36.22 | Kensan | mwester: my dboard is still giving me crap. |
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| 20:37.19 | Kensan | mwester: could you send/pastebin me your uboot-env? |
| 20:38.13 | emacsian | igor321: see if increasing verbosity level gives you any indication, opkg update has always solved it for me |
| 20:39.06 | Dave | hrm |
| 20:39.23 | igor321 | emacsian: i'll try, am rebooting it right now |
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| 20:52.41 | bricode | Is there a way to change the touchscreen orientation through a /sys command? |
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| 20:54.39 | lindi- | bricode: no. |
| 20:54.40 | mwester | bricode: none of which I am aware |
| 20:55.00 | mwester | I think it's an ioctl to the fb device. |
| 20:55.30 | mwester | But you'll have to do an ioctl to the fb device anyway, in order to do the efficient screen blanking that Harald added to the kernel recently. |
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| 20:58.35 | bricode | mwester: Are the nand patches included in stable yet? |
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| 20:58.53 | bricode | Similarly the blanking patches? |
| 20:58.55 | Kensan | bricode: yes |
| 20:59.11 | Kensan | bricode: all of them. |
| 20:59.42 | Dave | :D |
| 20:59.42 | mwester | ;) even though they are not necessarily stable yet (blanking on some FRs causes the WSoD to appear on unblanking) |
| 21:00.11 | bricode | stable with Openmoko has it's own special meaning. |
| 21:00.13 | mwester | Kensan: I'll have to get to my FR first (I'm still -- supposedly -- at work). |
| 21:00.25 | mwester | bricode: hehe! Well said. |
| 21:00.27 | SpeedEvil | Brinky: to do with bolts and horses? |
| 21:00.48 | Dave | haha |
| 21:00.50 | Dave | "special" |
| 21:00.55 | mwester | considers that there might be some truth to SpeedEvil's interpretation ;) |
| 21:01.01 | Dave | "stable" |
| 21:01.31 | Kensan | mwester: no hurry. I need to get away from this damned pc anyway *heh* |
| 21:01.36 | mwester | I need a FR with the WSoD problem. Anyone near Chicago willing to do a temporary swap? |
| 21:01.53 | bricode | By their definition, even I get to be "stable". |
| 21:02.14 | Kensan | mwester: hehe swap and then put it in the mail ;) |
| 21:03.39 | Kensan | mwester: btw how did the temperature theory develop? any news on that? |
| 21:04.12 | Kensan | mwester: or was it a red herring? |
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| 21:04.50 | yabo | how do you quit vi in 2008.9? :-S when i try :x i get ". is not implemented" |
| 21:05.01 | yabo | installing nano doesnt work either.. |
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| 21:05.43 | Kensan | ":q" ? |
| 21:06.11 | yabo | entering : doesnt seem to work |
| 21:06.20 | yabo | thats when i get ". is not implemented" |
| 21:06.28 | Dave | o_O |
| 21:06.31 | Dave | what the fuck :D |
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| 21:10.25 | beniwtv | hi all... can anyone tell me in what feed I can find python-alsaaudio? |
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| 21:12.24 | timur | yabo, :q worked for me, but i also messed with vi only long enough to install vim |
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| 21:16.20 | yabo | okay |
| 21:16.23 | yabo | i hate vi myself |
| 21:16.28 | yabo | installed nano now... :-R |
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| 21:17.48 | beniwtv | yeah... reminds me to install nano, too |
| 21:18.05 | timur | vim's not bad :P |
| 21:19.22 | beniwtv | better we not start to argue about that :P |
| 21:20.26 | timur | haha just no one say emacs and we might be ok :P |
| 21:21.26 | beniwtv | rofl |
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| 21:22.13 | beniwtv | on a serious note, I'm trying to compile something on the neo and it complains about a missing command: cc1 anyone knows in which package it is? |
| 21:24.28 | timur | do you have gcc installed? |
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| 21:25.53 | beniwtv | timur: I installed the gcc package, yes... I can extecute gcc and get no input files |
| 21:25.59 | pH5 | it's cpp. doesn't gcc depend on it? |
| 21:27.09 | beniwtv | pH5: Ah! That actually might be it... |
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| 21:29.26 | yabo | in linux, how do you get a new ip from dhcp? ipconfig /renew in windows |
| 21:29.53 | beniwtv | yabo: you may try dhclient <network device> |
| 21:30.03 | timur | killall dhclient first probably |
| 21:30.15 | timur | it might do it on itsown |
| 21:30.46 | beniwtv | Depends on the distro I gues... Never had to kill anything on Ubuntu here... |
| 21:31.54 | yabo | alright, thanks |
| 21:32.54 | beniwtv | pH5: You were right... package cpp and cpp-symlinks did it... thanks |
| 21:32.55 | timur | yea, i think dhclient does detect if another version of it is running already and kills it |
| 21:34.57 | yabo | ga |
| 21:34.58 | yabo | h |
| 21:35.05 | yabo | i tried connecting to a wpa-network |
| 21:35.14 | yabo | and after that the usb-connection hasnt worked at all |
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| 21:36.43 | Pander | Hi all, more ideas on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/openmoko-manager are welcome |
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| 21:52.39 | dotmef | Pander: nice idea. do you prefer ppl to add ideas to the whiteboard directly? |
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| 21:55.52 | ozzloy | my fr won't boot normally. it stops at the centered "openmoko" splash. it boots through NOR though |
| 21:56.09 | Yashy | What's the most stable/functional distro? 2008.9? |
| 21:56.46 | ozzloy | how do i fix this, or troubleshoot? i'm pretty sure it's hardware cuz i flashed the kernel and rootfs with 2 different distributions, same behavior |
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| 21:59.36 | yabo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.41 | yabo | tar: invalid tar magic |
| 21:59.44 | yabo | wat? |
| 21:59.50 | yabo | what is wrong? |
| 22:00.07 | SpeedEvil | maybe busytar doesn't understand z |
| 22:00.24 | Ke | busybox-nooooo! |
| 22:01.09 | nyu | yabo: try -zxf |
| 22:01.36 | nyu | the "no dash" mode is an ugly kludge imho |
| 22:03.15 | F4t | how do i make apt-get use only packages from stable tree? |
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| 22:04.41 | yabo | nyu, i got the same error |
| 22:04.47 | lindi- | F4t: only put stable to sources.list |
| 22:04.57 | Yashy | ozzloy: re-flash properly? |
| 22:05.20 | F4t | lindi-, where do i get stable repo urls from? |
| 22:05.54 | lindi- | F4t: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 22:10.47 | yabo | when opkg cannot satisfy dependencies, they are not in the repository right? |
| 22:10.47 | Jeti | normally yes |
| 22:10.48 | yabo | Where can i get libsdl and libsdl-image then? They are for numptyphysics :-| |
| 22:11.10 | Jeti | wich distro? |
| 22:11.22 | yabo | 2008.9 |
| 22:11.58 | Jeti | normally it should be there. Try do opkg list | grep libsdl |
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| 22:12.05 | yabo | alright |
| 22:12.07 | Pander | dotmef: yeah, anyone can add to the whiteboard |
| 22:13.20 | yabo | what does -force-depends do? |
| 22:14.04 | Jeti | let the package install and give warnings about dependencies that are not met. (Don't stop and quit like it normally does) |
| 22:14.18 | yabo | aha |
| 22:14.29 | yabo | so it installs the app, even though the dependencies are not met? |
| 22:14.43 | Jeti | ye |
| 22:14.44 | Jeti | s |
| 22:15.01 | yabo | alright, thanks |
| 22:15.36 | yabo | gee, changing from qt-extended is the best thing ive done for my freerunner in a long time |
| 22:15.48 | yabo | changing from qt to 2008.9* |
| 22:15.59 | ozzloy | Yashy: i already flashed twice |
| 22:16.12 | Jeti | yabo: why? |
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| 22:16.42 | ozzloy | spose i could flash yet again, but that seems unlikely to yield returns |
| 22:16.43 | beniwtv | whoa! success! The headset works now in QT extended! :) |
| 22:17.06 | yabo | it is alot faster, and much easier to use |
| 22:17.23 | uhsf | the headset hurts my ears |
| 22:17.28 | yabo | can you reset levels in numptyphysics? :r |
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| 22:18.28 | beniwtv | uhsf: it's actually a hands free for the car... no ear pieces :) |
| 22:20.25 | uhsf | i just don't like the default FR headset |
| 22:20.48 | beniwtv | I haven't got it, so I can't comment... |
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| 22:21.29 | uhsf | if only FR had a 3.5mm plug i could get a nice headset |
| 22:21.44 | Fougner | yaaa, 3.5mm =D |
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| 22:21.57 | beniwtv | +1 |
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| 22:30.20 | SpeedEvil | The headset socket is a special design. You can fit 3.5mm headphones with a special tool. |
| 22:30.29 | SpeedEvil | hands out hammers. |
| 22:30.39 | lindi- | uhsf: just make a converter |
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| 22:32.38 | dolf1074 | What is the best way to start hacking on SHR? |
| 22:32.55 | noother | Hey, is there anything I need to do to get the sound working properly on the testing-image? scummvm says 'WARNING: Could not open audio device: No available audio device!', fourier is complaining about 'Error reading sound data: Bad file descriptor'.. liquidwar for example has sound though.. |
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| 22:35.22 | noother | mplayer first says '[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory' but starts playing after a few seconds with 'AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)' |
| 22:37.18 | yabo | I'm trying to install mplayer on 2008.9, but opkg does not find mplayer-common or libmp3lame0. Where can i find those? |
| 22:38.13 | noother | seems like oss is missing.. but installing alsa-oss doesn't get me anywhere |
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| 22:42.04 | igor321 | anyone know the package name of all these games in fdom? |
| 22:42.09 | igor321 | i wanna remove them |
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| 22:44.42 | noother | task-openmoko-games and oh-puzzles i think |
| 22:45.12 | gromez | noother: try modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:46.12 | noother | gromez: it works, finally, thanks a lot :) |
| 22:47.28 | yabo | Have anyone used Pythm? I can't figure out how to select a song to play.. halp! |
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| 22:50.28 | igor321 | noother: thanks! |
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| 22:54.31 | [Rui] | hi ye all :) |
| 22:54.39 | [Rui] | I'm happily (or almost) running a daily |
| 22:54.49 | [Rui] | but changing the theme to illume results in e crashing it's way to hell |
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| 23:11.46 | noother | [Rui]: works well for me, yeah, illume crashes every now and then, but the recover-button does a good job |
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| 23:13.39 | noother | [Rui]: and some stuff in the illume-config isn't implemented yet, which is the reason it crashes when you choose one of them i guess |
| 23:14.40 | [Rui] | noother: for me now and then is every few seconds... |
| 23:15.00 | noother | but overall it runs fairly well here, and looks cool.. |
| 23:15.26 | [Rui] | noother: yeah... know a way to use illume's keyboard instead of qtopia while still running the asu them? |
| 23:15.29 | [Rui] | theme? |
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| 23:17.04 | noother | no, that's the reason i switched to illume completly.. |
| 23:18.31 | noother | [Rui]: no, wait.. only the qwerty-button didn't work.. installing illume-config-illume did work iirc |
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| 23:20.08 | [Rui] | ah that was perhaps it... |
| 23:20.14 | Wonka | remarks he wants illume and e17 in debian |
| 23:20.30 | [Rui] | but no, it's there already |
| 23:20.33 | raster | remarks.... nothing |
| 23:20.47 | noother | and then disable the qtopia-keyboard in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia which is described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate |
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| 23:21.39 | balrog-k1n | remarks twice as much |
| 23:21.39 | [Rui] | noother: hms... why didn't I think of that... maybe I thought that would only work under illume |
| 23:21.52 | [Rui] | I'll try it right away |
| 23:22.24 | [Rui] | I even have it in my "tips" file: sed -i -e 's,\# Now start Qtopia,export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1\n\n\# Now start Qtopia,' /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia |
| 23:22.50 | Fougner | Wonka! |
| 23:22.56 | Fougner | you run Debian right? =) |
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| 23:23.21 | Wonka | Fougner: yes |
| 23:23.33 | Fougner | I've tried xfce and stuff yesterday |
| 23:23.44 | Fougner | but I like the default zhone-thingy |
| 23:23.56 | Wonka | does work here... |
| 23:24.11 | Fougner | yeah; I got it working too |
| 23:24.42 | Fougner | but I want a clean and very simple thing to work with |
| 23:24.49 | Fougner | the xfce was.. small |
| 23:24.51 | Wonka | FSVO work - did not put a SIM into the FR for months |
| 23:25.02 | Fougner | ? |
| 23:25.04 | [Rui] | noother: ouch, now I have no keyboard at all |
| 23:25.21 | Wonka | zhone's GPS stuff works |
| 23:25.34 | Wonka | anything that needs a SIM is not tested by me |
| 23:25.59 | Fougner | yeah, but, I can't get the GPS-thingy to work =P |
| 23:26.22 | Wonka | hm, no idea |
| 23:26.31 | Fougner | what else, but the main call/sms |
| 23:26.33 | noother | [Rui]: uhm.. then I don't know, sorry.. maybe the illume-keyboards only work if the theme is set to illume.. |
| 23:26.36 | Wonka | GPS is doing funny stuff here too |
| 23:26.40 | Fougner | ok |
| 23:26.46 | Wonka | with tangogps and xgps |
| 23:26.55 | Fougner | but, zhone has 6 buttons default |
| 23:26.58 | Wonka | unpredictable hangs |
| 23:26.59 | Fougner | right? |
| 23:27.15 | Fougner | do I need an antenna? |
| 23:27.23 | yabo | is it possible to add the matchbox-keyboard to the list of Keyboards in 2008.9? |
| 23:27.24 | [Rui] | noother: I think so, sadly :) well, illume will be fine soon |
| 23:27.32 | [Rui] | looks sheepishly towards raster |
| 23:27.35 | Wonka | no idea. i had thpse hangs walking under open sky |
| 23:27.38 | Wonka | those |
| 23:27.45 | yabo | when you hit the wrench and then hit keyboards, there is a list containing None and Default. Can i add Matchbox here? |
| 23:28.10 | Fougner | Wonka, did you use antenna? =P |
| 23:28.43 | Wonka | Fougner: why should I, withSNR values of 43 and bigger? |
| 23:28.44 | yabo | hai Fougner |
| 23:28.51 | Fougner | yabo, hai |
| 23:28.56 | Fougner | Wonka, okay, well I don't know =P |
| 23:29.02 | Fougner | maybe I should give it a try then |
| 23:29.10 | Wonka | open sky. 12 satellites in view |
| 23:29.12 | Fougner | apt-get install tangogps xgps |
| 23:29.19 | Fougner | ? |
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| 23:29.50 | Fougner | anyhow, you use the default zhone layout? |
| 23:29.52 | Wonka | and suddenly, no more gps data changes, despite walking on at a steady pace... |
| 23:29.53 | Fougner | nothing else, I mean |
| 23:30.37 | Fougner | hmm, how do I turn off the FR in Debian? =P |
| 23:30.53 | Wonka | Fougner: tangogps gpsd-clients |
| 23:30.58 | gurugentoo | why the hell did fso choose that default ringtone? |
| 23:31.05 | Wonka | Fougner: erm... start xterm, type "halt"... |
| 23:31.07 | gurugentoo | soooo abnoxious |
| 23:31.13 | gurugentoo | ob* |
| 23:31.16 | Fougner | where can I access zterm? :O |
| 23:31.32 | yabo | in debian you hit ctrl+alt+x |
| 23:31.35 | Fougner | xterm* |
| 23:31.39 | Wonka | Fougner: i can start xterm via my button on the fbpanel |
| 23:31.50 | Fougner | ga! |
| 23:31.56 | Fougner | now we're talking |
| 23:32.10 | Wonka | Fougner: and pull up the keyboard (for "halt" and enter) with the button on the openmoko-panel-plugin |
| 23:32.11 | Fougner | okay, fbpanel with default zhone layout? |
| 23:32.31 | Wonka | did never change the zhone layout, so must be the default |
| 23:32.41 | Wonka | (bit i seldom run zhone...) |
| 23:32.44 | Wonka | (but) |
| 23:32.52 | Fougner | what do you run then? :o |
| 23:33.05 | Wonka | tangogps and xgps mostly |
| 23:33.13 | Fougner | I mean, I boot up debian.. my default "menu" is this blue background with a flower.. and 6 buttons |
| 23:33.15 | Wonka | and then i growl because of the mentioned hangs |
| 23:33.59 | Fougner | but you use fbpanel with.. which windowmanager? |
| 23:34.05 | yabo | in the repositories, what is stroke? |
| 23:34.08 | Wonka | i'd like tangogps directly using gypsy |
| 23:34.17 | Wonka | Fougner: matchbox-window-manager |
| 23:35.36 | Fougner | okay, how can I get just matchbox and fbpanel working? |
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| 23:36.00 | Fougner | it's on the wiki |
| 23:36.49 | Wonka | Fougner: xserver, mathcbox-window-manager, "nodm" |
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| 23:37.15 | Fougner | Wonka, what? =P |
| 23:37.39 | Wonka | Fougner: and a ~/.xsession first starting fbpanel & openmoko-panel-plugin & exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no |
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| 23:38.34 | Fougner | should I edit /etc/init.d/zhone-session first? |
| 23:38.38 | Fougner | or what? |
| 23:38.47 | Wonka | i uninstalled that |
| 23:39.09 | Wonka | hm, by the way, my debian currently doesn't wake back up from "apm -s" |
| 23:39.16 | Fougner | ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 23:39.16 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 23:39.20 | Fougner | or xsession? |
| 23:39.35 | Fougner | ~ |
| 23:39.42 | Fougner | thanks apt ;) |
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| 23:40.17 | mm | I really would love to be able to write a python program with a GUI, but cannot get started. I have tried in OM2008.8 and FDOM, but cannot import gtk or Tkinter or anything. How do I get started? |
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| 23:41.49 | Wonka | hrm, there seems to be something listening on the aux and pwr buttons now... |
| 23:42.17 | Fougner | Wonka, I made a .xsession with the following contents |
| 23:42.25 | Fougner | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:42.25 | Fougner | fbpanel & |
| 23:42.25 | Fougner | openmoko-panel-plugin & |
| 23:42.25 | Fougner | exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no & |
| 23:42.26 | Dave | Fougner :P |
| 23:42.29 | Dave | It's you! |
| 23:42.39 | sicu | Dave! |
| 23:42.41 | sicu | it's you |
| 23:42.52 | Fougner | Dave, oh no -.- |
| 23:42.55 | Fougner | haha |
| 23:43.01 | Wonka | Fougner: remove that last & |
| 23:43.05 | Fougner | ah |
| 23:43.37 | Dave | HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN |
| 23:43.39 | Fougner | so, with all that stuff installed, matchbox, openmoko-panel-plugin, and fbpanel |
| 23:43.40 | Dave | and raster |
| 23:43.41 | Dave | :p |
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| 23:43.51 | Fougner | I'm ready to go? = |
| 23:43.52 | Fougner | =)* |
| 23:43.53 | Dave | Fougner: I'm in ur panel, breakin ur pluginz! |
| 23:44.01 | Fougner | what where? o.O |
| 23:44.06 | Dave | ha ha ha ha |
| 23:44.08 | Fougner | I seeee yoooouuuu |
| 23:44.15 | Dave | All your widgets are belong to me! |
| 23:44.32 | Fougner | what, MIDGETS? you sick.. |
| 23:44.41 | Wonka | Fougner: it's a little minimalistic, but it works for me _) |
| 23:44.52 | Fougner | Wonka, less is more |
| 23:45.01 | Fougner | but it should work by now? |
| 23:45.07 | Wonka | Fougner: i have a menu on my fbpanel, and buttons for xterm, tangogps and zhone (should i need it) |
| 23:45.11 | Fougner | no edits with the init.d/blabla |
| 23:45.11 | Wonka | i think so |
| 23:45.18 | Fougner | ok |
| 23:45.21 | Fougner | let's reboot =) |
| 23:45.38 | Wonka | by the way, my .xsession looks like this: |
| 23:45.40 | Wonka | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:45.41 | Wonka | while sleep 2 ; do fbpanel ; done & |
| 23:45.41 | Wonka | while sleep 2 ; do openmoko-panel-plugin ; done & |
| 23:45.41 | Wonka | exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no |
| 23:46.08 | Wonka | i had openmoko-panel-plugin crash - at least it just was no more there. |
| 23:46.23 | Wonka | bad idea if you need that to get a keyboard... |
| 23:46.36 | Fougner | uhm |
| 23:46.50 | Wonka | this way, it will pop back up |
| 23:46.51 | Fougner | the openmoko-panel is that sliding one in OM2008.X ? |
| 23:47.02 | Fougner | top of the screen |
| 23:47.14 | Fougner | Dave and yabo! |
| 23:47.20 | Dave | YES |
| 23:47.24 | Fougner | guys, hi! ^^ |
| 23:47.27 | yabo | hai hai |
| 23:47.29 | Dave | Hallo! |
| 23:47.33 | Fougner | tjena! |
| 23:47.52 | Dave | hvordan står det til med mine møkkete utenlandske venner? ;p |
| 23:47.58 | yabo | matchbox-keyboard on the keyboardlist anyone? |
| 23:48.01 | Dave | jejeje |
| 23:48.31 | Fougner | hmm, what is "debugfs dir creation failed -19" ? |
| 23:48.39 | Dave | uggh |
| 23:48.41 | sicu | Dave: føler plutselig for å ta meg en dusj |
| 23:48.43 | Dave | Not that again... ¬_¬ |
| 23:48.46 | Wonka | Fougner: no idea, but seems not to hurt |
| 23:48.46 | Dave | Sicu :D |
| 23:49.23 | Fougner | Dave, det är bra ;) |
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| 23:49.27 | Fougner | hehe |
| 23:49.33 | Fougner | Wonka, you have it too? :o |
| 23:49.40 | Wonka | yes |
| 23:49.43 | Fougner | hm |
| 23:49.57 | sicu | dave has it too |
| 23:50.06 | Fougner | hehe, debian can echo loooots and lots of errors, but it'll always boot anyway xD |
| 23:50.35 | Fougner | hm, Wonka I'm in the usual zhone-session again |
| 23:50.42 | Fougner | something didn't want to work xD |
| 23:52.30 | Wonka | hhm. |
| 23:52.32 | Fougner | I think my /etc/init.d/zhone-session is the default one |
| 23:52.40 | Fougner | should I change it to something else? =P |
| 23:52.53 | Fougner | make a new script called xserver |
| 23:52.59 | Fougner | and change something in it? :P |
| 23:53.01 | gurugentoo | I'm realy impressed by the current SHR |
| 23:53.11 | Fougner | gurugentoo, something new? =) |
| 23:53.37 | Dave | WE GET SIGNAL? |
| 23:53.56 | gurugentoo | Fougner: well for one thing wifi reconnects every time, unlike debian |
| 23:54.02 | yabo | Using the matchbox-keyboard on om2008.9... Any ideas? I cant get the wiki-method to work |
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| 23:58.17 | yabo | wat.. |
| 23:58.18 | Fougner | Wonka, my default init.d is zhone-session |
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| 23:59.10 | Fougner | should I make a new script with different settings? |
| 23:59.11 | Wonka | aas i said, i uninstalled that package |
| 23:59.11 | Wonka | and installed nodm nstead |
| 23:59.11 | Fougner | which one? =P |
| 23:59.11 | Wonka | zhone-session |
| 23:59.11 | Wonka | zhone is there, though |
| 23:59.47 | Fougner | apt-get install nodm |
| 23:59.55 | Fougner | apt-get remove zhone-session |