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| 00:09.59 | Dave | hrm |
| 00:11.42 | arquebus | does anyone know how Nokia's maemo.org OS compares to openmoko? |
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| 00:12.38 | uhsf | i would guess maemo is more stable than openmoko |
| 00:13.16 | arquebus | ufsh- but I wonder if you can run the same apps on it |
| 00:15.03 | uhsf | they're also slighly modified linux apps but there are more available for maemo |
| 00:16.00 | arquebus | ufsh-ok, thx |
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| 00:30.14 | Pyrasi | hmmm...is qtopia's new release available for download? |
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| 01:19.05 | *** topic/#openmoko is Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keyboard numbers for 2008.8 : slide finger up on the keyboard |
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| 02:12.05 | Dave | A freerunner to rule them all! |
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| 02:14.06 | balrog-kun | Dave: you're such a hobbit |
| 02:14.17 | balrog-kun | goodnight :) |
| 02:15.53 | mwester | Dave is a hobbit? That explains a lot, actually. |
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| 02:21.48 | Dave | Hurr |
| 02:21.52 | Dave | gee, thanks :P |
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| 02:36.23 | mwester | Didja get yer flock of FRs all backed up, then? |
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| 03:12.29 | Dave | Mwester, yes! :D |
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| 03:15.49 | Dave | YES |
| 03:17.29 | dTx | No |
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| 03:42.48 | Sargun | mickey|tw, is there a new revision of the HXD8v2? |
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| 04:58.01 | Pyrasi | anyone out there know why FDOM is reading my SIM card terribly wrong (for contacts) |
| 04:58.27 | Pyrasi | and after it tries to read the contacts, calls stop working |
| 04:59.03 | Pyrasi | and suspend stops working (wont wake up) |
| 04:59.59 | KenYoung | Pyrasi, So everything works properly until you bring up "contacts"? |
| 05:00.07 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 05:00.45 | Pyrasi | suspend and calls work until i bring up contacts....and the contact data is garbled |
| 05:00.45 | KenYoung | Pyrasi, Sorry, I haven't seen that. It doesn't happen on mine running FDOM. |
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| 05:18.19 | ieatlint | okay, so the vp of marketing for openmoko says the gta03 will not be black |
| 05:20.12 | kgoetz | :o |
| 05:20.24 | kgoetz | what other colour is there? |
| 05:21.13 | ieatlint | well, he wouldn't say -- but i'm reasonably certain it's not white+orange ;) |
| 05:21.16 | ieatlint | my guess is silver |
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| 05:22.01 | kgoetz | thinks they should do it in 'fluro black' :P |
| 05:23.28 | ieatlint | anyway, i got a number of vague answers on what the gta03 will be |
| 05:24.13 | doc|home | silver plastic never looks good |
| 05:24.44 | SpeedEvil | Hot-pink. |
| 05:25.01 | doc|home | rawr |
| 05:25.13 | SpeedEvil | Silver plastic can look good - but not practically. |
| 05:25.29 | ieatlint | hehe, all i know is that he said it wouldn't be black, and when i jokingly asked about the old white+orange, he cracked up saying he was the main voicesaying to stop that 1973 case |
| 05:25.30 | SpeedEvil | Winding up the metal content till it's practically metal results in a good look. |
| 05:25.51 | doc|home | I have silver plastic on my motorola and it looks good until it starts to rub off |
| 05:25.56 | doc|home | then it just looks cheap |
| 05:26.09 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - common plastic just doesn't work as it's only paint. |
| 05:26.19 | ieatlint | steve says that the case was designed by a well known designer, a "maverick" (not mccain -- i asked) |
| 05:26.28 | kgoetz | +++ 14:54 < SpeedEvil> Hot-pink. |
| 05:26.30 | ieatlint | but he refused to give any details |
| 05:27.11 | doc|home | it would be nice if we could replace the gta02 case with a gta03 case |
| 05:27.15 | ieatlint | he very strongly implied a 3.55mm audio jack, and that it would have more than 2 external buttons |
| 05:28.30 | SpeedEvil | I personally care about a decent dockable case. |
| 05:29.09 | Sargun | Why? |
| 05:29.59 | ieatlint | i also asked about a stylus holder in the case but he wouldn't give a straight answer :( |
| 05:32.19 | ieatlint | oh, and as to the system specs, which he was far more reluctant to talk about (the case is done, the system specs are fluid, and he didn't want to start rumours)... it will be a "few notches up", and he talked about the whole 500mhz clocked at 400 for the gta02 in the context |
| 05:32.47 | ieatlint | my implication was to expect something in the 700-800mhz range, and he very very vaguely implied some sort of graphics acceleration |
| 05:33.04 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: if that's true, it's delayed another few months |
| 05:33.23 | ieatlint | the hardware not being finalised? |
| 05:33.23 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: as AIUI the current GTA03 prototype boards are not graphically accelelrated |
| 05:33.44 | ieatlint | the SoC has been picked i think, but the chips on it could change |
| 05:34.02 | SpeedEvil | ponders another glamo nightmare. |
| 05:34.10 | ieatlint | he didn't want to confirm specifics of the SoC, but he did all but confirm the camera, essentially stating it's planned, but could get pulled |
| 05:34.17 | SpeedEvil | I think at this point I'd favour just going with straight framebuffer. |
| 05:34.43 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 can decode VCD class images in real-time essentially. |
| 05:34.54 | ieatlint | steve used to work for creative labs creating 3d accellerators... he seemed very informed on the whole concept, and on the glamo's failure |
| 05:34.59 | SpeedEvil | A 2.5-3* faster CPU should have no problem. |
| 05:35.09 | ieatlint | i dunno what the plan is... but they definitely heard the complaints |
| 05:35.25 | ieatlint | he spoke of the 2.55mm jack, the usb 1.1 and the system bus |
| 05:35.46 | SpeedEvil | 1.1 can't go without changing the SoC entirely AIUI. |
| 05:36.01 | ieatlint | he used woring that implied they wouldn't be [much of] an issue... but gave nothing definite |
| 05:36.02 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible talk of 04 might be getting merged in tehre? |
| 05:36.23 | ieatlint | nope |
| 05:36.35 | SpeedEvil | 500MHz or 600 - with dumb framebuffer - especially if the screen is lower resolution - shouldn't be a problem graphically. |
| 05:36.37 | ieatlint | although he said he primarily is working on the 04, so he's going off memory |
| 05:37.57 | ieatlint | well, i mostly just have info for the rumour mill, but straight from an informed and named party |
| 05:38.29 | ieatlint | (and there were like 10 other people there at an openmoko user group who can confirm i'm not making this up, hehe) |
| 05:38.46 | SpeedEvil | I'm only talking of stuff from named parties too, and inferences based on datasheets. |
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| 05:39.42 | ieatlint | well, with a handful of exceptions, i only got hints, and my own impressions of what he was hinting at are hardly facts |
| 05:39.53 | ieatlint | he did explicitly say the case would not be black |
| 05:40.03 | ieatlint | so if no other facts arise from this... :P |
| 05:40.32 | SpeedEvil | I hope it's not metallic. |
| 05:40.58 | SpeedEvil | Simply as you can't get it looking good if you stay with conventional case plastics and don't go to totally metal loaded plastic. |
| 05:42.09 | ieatlint | i don't think it's metallic based on another conversation with him |
| 05:43.49 | ieatlint | he was talking about some of the weird requests he was getting from people, using cases with a magnet on the back or a metal case so magnets would stick |
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| 05:44.05 | ieatlint | and he joked that his response was to ask mr faraday about that |
| 05:44.18 | ieatlint | so i don't think he'd turn around with a metal case then :P |
| 05:44.28 | SpeedEvil | There are ways. |
| 05:44.39 | SpeedEvil | But it's tricky. |
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| 05:47.22 | ieatlint | oh, and i just installed one of your screen covers tonight... seems decent |
| 05:48.55 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 05:52.58 | mickey|tw | yo SpeedEvil |
| 05:53.55 | SpeedEvil | Yo. |
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| 06:09.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r184cb9446b49 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
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| 06:09.45 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: * SetSimBuffersSms(b) -> () |
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| 06:37.17 | quickdev | mickey|tw, could you recompile the specs and update the specs html directory? ousaged.RequestResource has a boolean as response in XML, but not in HTML :) |
| 06:37.39 | ljp | geezz. the neo takes forever to flash |
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| 06:38.31 | mickey|tw | quickdev: will update, thanks |
| 06:38.44 | quickdev | thanks, too |
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| 06:39.52 | mickey|tw | ah, already done |
| 06:40.00 | mickey|tw | reload the HTMLs |
| 06:40.07 | mickey|tw | we updated resource yesterday |
| 06:40.38 | mickey|tw | although we need to add the error specifications |
| 06:40.40 | mickey|tw | notes TODO |
| 06:42.36 | quickdev | mickey|tw, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD - RequestResource(), no return value description? |
| 06:43.00 | mickey|tw | yeah, that's correct |
| 06:43.06 | mickey|tw | we took the return value out |
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| 06:43.12 | mickey|tw | yesterday or the day before |
| 06:43.39 | mickey|tw | so your code is out of date, but the specs are correct :) |
| 06:45.09 | quickdev | mickey|tw, then http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob;f=xml/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml;h=ea861ed6d1b97a5a534606da00ff6068f0c2eca4;hb=HEAD has to be updated? |
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| 06:46.30 | mickey|tw | hmm oh |
| 06:46.36 | mickey|tw | it's correct in the xml.in |
| 06:46.41 | mickey|tw | i wonder why it's not been changed in the .xml |
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| 06:48.15 | Sargun | mickey|tw, Are you ever in the Fremont office? |
| 06:48.28 | quickdev | mickey|tw, could you fix that somehow? :) |
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| 06:50.12 | mickey|tw | Sargun: Fremont? |
| 06:50.13 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r6de8ed9b33d8 10/xml/ (7 files): sync xml files w/ docs |
| 06:50.41 | Sargun | OM, Inc. has a Fremont, CA office... |
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| 06:50.53 | Sargun | Guess not |
| 06:50.59 | xt | Anyone tested the new QTopia (4.4) ? |
| 06:51.38 | [df] | how long's that been out? |
| 06:51.45 | xt | a day |
| 06:52.04 | [df] | ah cool, might give it a try |
| 06:52.15 | davo_ | how long does the gta02 take to boot? |
| 06:52.43 | Sargun | 2 minutes |
| 06:52.45 | Sargun | 2-3 minutes. |
| 06:52.48 | Sargun | 20-30 days. |
| 06:52.49 | Sargun | err |
| 06:52.52 | Sargun | 2-3 minutes. |
| 06:53.01 | davo_ | heh |
| 06:53.12 | davo_ | kind of slow - has anyone profiled the bootup? |
| 06:53.29 | mickey|tw | Sargun: ah, that one. i think that's just Pat, our USA women |
| 06:54.21 | Sargun | hehe |
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| 06:54.37 | Sargun | davo_, fast enough |
| 06:54.45 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | mickey|tw: hello |
| 06:55.28 | [df] | trolltech have temporarily removed their qtopia packages from their server due to potential copyright issues :( |
| 06:55.38 | davo_ | Sargun: perhaps, I just ordered mine |
| 06:55.52 | [df] | oh wait, that was months ago |
| 06:56.08 | Sargun | heh |
| 06:56.09 | [df] | their download page doesn't seem to work though |
| 06:56.10 | davo_ | I can get to a login prompt running guests on Xen in < 5s |
| 06:56.19 | Sargun | Thats....different |
| 06:56.23 | davo_ | so its probably device initialization |
| 06:56.25 | Sargun | Xen is running on a giant machina |
| 06:56.26 | davo_ | taking time |
| 06:56.35 | Sargun | and an FR is like a Freaky Dinky wink. |
| 06:56.40 | davo_ | true |
| 06:56.57 | davo_ | is the 400Mhz fast enough to do H.264 decoding? |
| 06:56.58 | [df] | there are things that can be done to speed it up |
| 06:57.16 | xt | davo_: no |
| 06:57.35 | [df] | in fact the trolltech site seems to be completely shafted |
| 06:57.46 | davo_ | xt: too bad |
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| 07:00.14 | Kensan | davo_: There's a wiki page about boot speedup. |
| 07:01.22 | Kensan | davo_: I am looking into the long bootup time but don't expect too much. The big issues is slow IO. |
| 07:01.42 | davo_ | Kensan: oh? what are we waiting for? |
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| 07:02.22 | davo_ | what is the URL? |
| 07:02.32 | davo_ | searching on boot speed doesn't turn up anything obvious |
| 07:02.35 | Kensan | davo_: let me see |
| 07:03.29 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4685 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (5 files in 4 dirs): call init function on module load |
| 07:03.48 | Kensan | davo_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_time_reduction_plan |
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| 07:05.27 | davo_ | the breakdown is useful |
| 07:06.18 | davo_ | Kensan: is microsd slower or faster? |
| 07:06.22 | Kensan | davo_: after X is up it still takes about 40 seconds till the GUI is "responsive" (!) |
| 07:06.27 | davo_ | :< |
| 07:06.32 | davo_ | any idea on that? |
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| 07:07.17 | Kensan | davo_: I haven't had time to look into that but starting all daemons (frameworkd etc) happens after X I believe. |
| 07:07.45 | Kensan | davo_: If I remember correctly microSD and Flash is about the same. |
| 07:08.01 | davo_ | does the arm have anything like intel's performance counters? |
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| 07:08.12 | Kensan | davo_: it's a real pitty since microSD and flash are slow for different reasons :( |
| 07:08.25 | davo_ | Kensan: oh, how is that? |
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| 07:09.16 | Kensan | davo_: the flash is really slow but has potential of getting better (using hardware ECC instead of doing it in software) |
| 07:09.40 | Kensan | davo_: microSD is done by the glamo which has low IO bandwidth |
| 07:09.54 | davo_ | i.e. not fixable even with faster parts |
| 07:10.50 | Kensan | davo_: well there's probably some potential by optimising the driver but that would need someone knowledgable about the glamo work on it... |
| 07:11.22 | davo_ | Kensan: are the docs readily available? |
| 07:11.38 | Kensan | davo_: not that I would know off. |
| 07:12.25 | Kensan | davo_: if I may ask: what's your interest/plan? |
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| 07:13.15 | davo_ | Kensan: no specific interest, its just a neat mobile platform |
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| 07:14.51 | Kensan | davo_: ic, I was just wondering if you wanted to speedup the boottime or do other specific work on the FR or Openmoko. |
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| 07:15.27 | davo_ | Kensan: well, not having one in hand I don't know what usability issues bother me |
| 07:16.04 | Kensan | davo_: ah ic. |
| 07:17.17 | davo_ | it would be cool to get FreeBSD up and running on it, but I don't really have the time / inclination to spend ironing out all the issues so I'll just stick to looking at any linux issues that come up |
| 07:17.45 | SpeedEvil | IMO - fixing boot-time is the wrong thing to concentrate on - all else being equal - making booting unneeded by getting suspend working is vastly more important. |
| 07:17.54 | SpeedEvil | Of course, not all is equal. |
| 07:17.59 | davo_ | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 07:18.13 | davo_ | SpeedEvil: has much / any work been done in that area? |
| 07:18.32 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: yes, that is one argument, but there's a lot of people working on that I believe. |
| 07:18.37 | davo_ | booting a small image and then doing a kexec would be much faster |
| 07:18.43 | SpeedEvil | yes - but the community person that was/is working on it has had personal issues. |
| 07:19.07 | SpeedEvil | (the cpu-frequency scaling) |
| 07:19.10 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: and everybody has to turn on their phone at some point so it's a first impression thing. It really sticks when you have to wait 3 minutes to try out your shiny new toy... |
| 07:19.24 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
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| 07:19.52 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: which community person? |
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| 07:19.59 | SpeedEvil | cesarb. |
| 07:20.21 | SpeedEvil | issues of other stuff taking away dev time. |
| 07:20.28 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: ah ok. |
| 07:20.38 | SpeedEvil | is unfortunately in the same boat. Today I'm getting on a 10m ladder, to fix my roof. |
| 07:20.46 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: I misread, that he had personal issues with how OM was dealing with his contributions/patches etc. |
| 07:21.11 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying my interpretation is correct - you may have been reading closer than me. |
| 07:21.45 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: well it's the same for a lot of people I think. I can't spend as much time as I would like to either:( |
| 07:21.47 | davo_ | Kensan: how does that work any way? |
| 07:21.48 | methril | morning |
| 07:22.04 | Kensan | davo_: what specifically do you mean? |
| 07:22.06 | davo_ | Kensan: who is the benevolent dictator? |
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| 07:22.34 | Kensan | davo_: I guess it depends on which part of the Openmoko software stack you refer to. |
| 07:22.43 | davo_ | ok |
| 07:23.07 | Kensan | davo_: afaict Andy Green does the kernel commits. |
| 07:23.20 | Kensan | davo_: maybe there's a wiki page about that. |
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| 07:23.58 | davo_ | thanks, you've all been quite helpful - I feel a bit more comfortable that I'll have a place to go with any Freerunner issues that come up |
| 07:24.08 | davo_ | need to run off |
| 07:24.51 | Kensan | davo_: sure, the community is healthy imho :) |
| 07:25.03 | davo_ | how well does the GPRS modem work these days? |
| 07:25.17 | davo_ | I read an old old old review that made it sound like a disaster |
| 07:25.23 | davo_ | 2006 |
| 07:25.37 | Kensan | davo_: I recall that mickey was using it for several hours straight with phone calls in between etc. |
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| 07:25.50 | Kensan | davo_: it should be stable by now |
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| 07:26.03 | davo_ | but joining networks works as well as you're average phone now? |
| 07:26.08 | davo_ | s/you're/your/ |
| 07:27.23 | Kensan | davo_: I have not tested GPRS myself so I can't tell. I just seem to recall, a few people stated that GPRS is solid. |
| 07:27.43 | davo_ | cool |
| 07:28.20 | Kensan | got to go. |
| 07:28.29 | Kensan | later |
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| 07:35.17 | raster | booyaj! |
| 07:36.03 | xt | what did you do now |
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| 08:04.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:29.20 | dkirker | FilipLinux4: good morning |
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| 08:35.44 | Kensan_ | raster: Hi, I built an image with the help of your install.sh. Is there a bb for building your illume image? |
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| 09:09.11 | FilipLinux4 | hi dkirker |
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| 10:26.30 | gr1d | imma gonna go get a hot tranny |
| 10:26.32 | gr1d | g line me harder bb |
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| 10:39.13 | buntfalke | Hai. |
| 10:41.06 | cesarb | SpeedEvil, Kensan: no personal issues with OM, I've actually been too busy/too tired (near an important deadline at work, plus some family health-related issues) |
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| 10:43.23 | buntfalke | Where can I find information about the battery runtime with the latest software versions? |
| 10:43.34 | Kensan_ | cesarb: oh ok, good to hear. Well not about the family health-related issues... |
| 10:44.09 | cesarb | Kensan_: well, it happens |
| 10:44.19 | gr1d | yo |
| 10:45.13 | Kensan_ | cesarb: if I may ask: what's the issues with suspend-resume that need to be resolved? AFAICT there's kernel bugs. |
| 10:45.47 | cesarb | Kensan_: dunno, I haven't been following suspend/resume (or in fact following anything lately) much |
| 10:46.30 | buntfalke | Imho the battery life is a major issue, and I can't find alot about it in the wiki and so forth... |
| 10:46.48 | cesarb | has to go now |
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| 10:47.02 | Kensan_ | cesarb: ah ok. thanks for the info. |
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| 11:46.32 | raster | Kensan_: |
| 11:46.33 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.33 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.40 | raster | all the stuff is in svn now |
| 11:46.45 | raster | i've cleaned it up too |
| 11:47.11 | Kensan_ | raster: awesome! I just got a flavour of bootchart working again. |
| 11:47.32 | Kensan_ | raster: btw, the Xlog shows some errors |
| 11:47.33 | raster | if u check out thaty svn |
| 11:47.39 | raster | and use the oe-install.sh |
| 11:47.45 | raster | u'll hgave a complete oe tree set up |
| 11:47.50 | raster | all my current patches applied |
| 11:47.58 | raster | scripts to build/flash/ etc. etc. all there |
| 11:48.07 | raster | and the .bb's too that i have added |
| 11:48.21 | Kensan_ | raster: ok great. I will upgrade later today. |
| 11:49.27 | raster | well "i hope" it works |
| 11:49.33 | raster | oe seems to have bizarre problems |
| 11:49.37 | raster | it works if its in ~/oe |
| 11:49.41 | raster | if i put it somewhere else |
| 11:50.07 | raster | like ~/C/dev/svn/stuff/e/blah/whatever/blah/blah/oe |
| 11:50.10 | raster | it fails |
| 11:50.12 | raster | no idea why |
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| 11:51.52 | Kensan_ | raster: sounds familiar. There was some issue with relocating oe dirs. |
| 11:51.59 | raster | no |
| 11:52.03 | raster | nmot just relocating |
| 11:52.06 | raster | just locating to start with |
| 11:52.13 | raster | somewhere other than ~/oe |
| 11:52.13 | Kensan_ | raster: hm ok. |
| 11:52.14 | raster | anyway |
| 11:52.17 | raster | if u put it there it works |
| 11:52.41 | Kensan_ | raster: ok good. Will give it a shot tonight. |
| 11:54.50 | raster | :) |
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| 12:02.13 | raster | Kensan_: let me know if it works well for u |
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| 12:02.18 | raster | if it does i probably can announce... |
| 12:02.35 | Kensan_ | raster: alright, I will. |
| 12:02.59 | Kensan_ | raster: btw, I don't think there's any need to announce anymore: the rumour has spread ;) |
| 12:03.11 | Shlee | has ordered Pandora. *Waits 4-9 weeks* |
| 12:03.21 | raster | it has? |
| 12:03.25 | raster | Shlee: join the club |
| 12:03.29 | raster | i ordered this morning |
| 12:03.45 | Kensan_ | raster: Pandora? new cool gadget?!? |
| 12:03.47 | raster | Kensan_: i'd like to slowly add "usable software" |
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| 12:03.55 | raster | but onlyt as the software gets a level of quality |
| 12:03.59 | Kensan_ | checks purse |
| 12:04.10 | raster | Kensan_: yeah. its really cool |
| 12:04.19 | raster | if it has a gsm modem... it's basically be a phone |
| 12:04.22 | raster | ti'd |
| 12:04.24 | raster | its got everything else |
| 12:04.40 | Kensan_ | raster: ppl following the discussion on monday were asking about the URL to your image etc. |
| 12:04.52 | raster | (wifi, bt, omap 3530, 128m ram, flash, 2x sd slots, 800x480 screen, keyboard etc.) |
| 12:05.20 | Shlee | Touchscreen. |
| 12:05.20 | Kensan_ | raster: oh ok, I think I know which device you are talking about. They can be ordered now? |
| 12:05.25 | raster | yes |
| 12:05.27 | raster | hurry up |
| 12:05.27 | Shlee | Preorder started today. |
| 12:05.30 | raster | only 3000 |
| 12:05.33 | Kensan_ | 0_o |
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| 12:05.47 | raster | first 3000 to be ordered ... otherwise u'll need to wait until next year |
| 12:06.12 | Kensan_ | raster: oh... |
| 12:06.14 | raster | man i'd be so tempted to make the panny INTO a phone |
| 12:06.20 | raster | might get one first and see |
| 12:06.26 | Shlee | QT 4.4.. WOOHOO |
| 12:06.26 | raster | if it ass good as it seems to be... |
| 12:06.36 | raster | all it needs is a gsm modem |
| 12:06.36 | Shlee | Today is a good day |
| 12:06.40 | raster | and a trimmer mainboard and nice case |
| 12:06.51 | raster | i wonder if the panny guys would be willing to do that |
| 12:06.55 | raster | lose the kbd |
| 12:06.59 | raster | keep the screen |
| 12:07.06 | raster | so make it a big-arse 4.3" 800x480 screen |
| 12:07.11 | raster | cram the rest under it |
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| 12:07.19 | raster | nuke kbd/joypads |
| 12:07.28 | Shlee | You can bluetooth link the Pandora to the moko for GPS and GRPS.. ;) |
| 12:07.30 | raster | remove 1 of the sd cards |
| 12:07.31 | raster | actually |
| 12:07.39 | raster | i wonder if there's an sdio gsm modem... |
| 12:07.46 | raster | oh yeah |
| 12:07.49 | raster | do4esnt have gps |
| 12:07.51 | raster | :( |
| 12:07.54 | raster | nah |
| 12:08.01 | raster | i mean make a real device with all of it in |
| 12:08.05 | raster | already on the mainboard |
| 12:08.07 | raster | trimmed down |
| 12:08.22 | Kensan_ | hm... can't select switzerland :( |
| 12:09.26 | raster | Kensan_: try the text links below |
| 12:09.27 | raster | not the map |
| 12:10.12 | Shlee | Wait, I cannot find the flash for QT 4.4... has it been released? or just the press release |
| 12:10.18 | Kensan_ | raster: seems like the server has heavy load... maybe everybody is ordering. |
| 12:10.26 | raster | very likely |
| 12:10.30 | raster | i got it it early |
| 12:10.31 | raster | :) |
| 12:11.24 | Kensan_ | raster: of course everybody is hammering the server it's on bloody slashdot |
| 12:11.25 | sicu | Shlee: it will be released to the open community in 3 days |
| 12:11.49 | Kensan_ | raster: ok server is down. Guess that's it for me then. |
| 12:12.01 | raster | :( |
| 12:12.26 | Kensan_ | raster: haha I think it just went up in smoke. |
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| 12:12.58 | Shlee | If Slashdot sells the remaining units.. Good on them |
| 12:13.00 | Kensan_ | raster: 5 minutes earlier and it might have been ok. |
| 12:13.06 | raster | hehehe |
| 12:13.10 | Shlee | It's a powerful thing.. I've seen very little on Digg/Reddit |
| 12:13.13 | raster | or 8hrs ago.. when i ordered |
| 12:13.14 | raster | :) |
| 12:13.40 | Shlee | BoingBoing/gizmodo had an article too.. so would be nice to see them sellout |
| 12:13.46 | Kensan_ | raster: oh there we go. I am on the ordering site. |
| 12:13.55 | Kensan_ | raster: argh, I don't have my credit card with me. |
| 12:14.05 | Shlee | I was looking into an open source DJ rig.. they needed 300 sales, got 12 open pre-order |
| 12:14.13 | Shlee | so.. open source hardware can always fail ;) |
| 12:14.41 | raster | oh this was another project? |
| 12:14.49 | raster | dj rigs are.. definitely much mroe niche! |
| 12:17.40 | Kensan_ | raster: btw, did you figure out what the text error message is, that's showing when exquisite is switched over to e's x bootsplash? |
| 12:17.44 | Shlee | http://www.auroramixer.com/media.html |
| 12:18.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rdfa4ae8dd307 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia-phone-x11] adding alias name for packages. |
| 12:18.54 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r3ee50e5a9333 10/packages/ (33 files in 7 dirs): [alias name] Adding alias name tags for packages |
| 12:18.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rcb1c639036c3 10/ (conf/checksums.ini packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev |
| 12:19.19 | raster | Kensan_: hmm no. didnt look |
| 12:20.09 | Kensan_ | raster: it's not being logged afaict. |
| 12:25.30 | raster | reflashes latest image |
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| 12:28.46 | Shlee | 3 days? *like a kid on Christmas* I want it now :( |
| 12:29.03 | Kensan_ | raster: another annoying question: how can I extract the exquisite boobsplash image? That would make for a nice uboot-splash image :) |
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| 12:30.41 | raster | boobsplash! |
| 12:30.44 | raster | thats AWESOM! |
| 12:30.51 | raster | AWESOME! |
| 12:30.54 | raster | boob! |
| 12:31.09 | sicu | hehe =] |
| 12:31.14 | raster | boot splash is a .edj theme file |
| 12:31.17 | raster | like everything else efl |
| 12:31.21 | raster | so it isnt "an image" |
| 12:31.30 | Kensan_ | raster: oh my bad |
| 12:31.36 | raster | its multiple images, fonts and objects with layout to adapt to multiple resolutions |
| 12:31.38 | Kensan_ | raster: that typo is fair game... |
| 12:31.48 | raster | so it all depends on the fb res as to what it looks like |
| 12:31.57 | raster | its not just "scaled" |
| 12:32.00 | raster | hehe |
| 12:32.04 | raster | its an AWESOME typo |
| 12:32.19 | Kensan_ | raster: I think I hear Freud applauding up in the clouds... |
| 12:32.23 | Kensan_ | raster: anyway :) |
| 12:33.00 | Kensan_ | raster: ok that's what I thought because I started reading some E/EFL docs. |
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| 12:34.04 | Kensan_ | raster: So if I wanted that "picture" to be a 640x480 png, how would I "extract"/convert that? |
| 12:34.14 | Kensan_ | raster: RTFM is a valid answer by the way |
| 12:34.16 | Kensan_ | ;) |
| 12:34.47 | raster | its not just a picture tho |
| 12:34.51 | raster | it animates and changes |
| 12:34.54 | raster | ie fades in |
| 12:34.58 | raster | responds to progress |
| 12:35.06 | raster | if the boot sent text messages u'd see them too |
| 12:35.07 | raster | etc. |
| 12:35.21 | raster | u could use edje_thumb |
| 12:35.23 | raster | that comes with edje |
| 12:35.24 | Kensan_ | raster: oukey, I will take a picture with my digicam then |
| 12:35.32 | Kensan_ | raster: *hehe* |
| 12:35.51 | raster | but really - the best u can do is a screenshot |
| 12:35.55 | raster | exquisite runs in x too |
| 12:35.56 | raster | in a window |
| 12:36.00 | raster | u can install it on your desktop |
| 12:36.16 | raster | i would highly suggest getting efl on your desktop if u are going to play with it |
| 12:36.23 | raster | do all your dev/work/whatever there |
| 12:36.31 | raster | just "build arm packages" and test for speed |
| 12:37.19 | Kensan_ | raster: I got e on my notebook, but it's this gobuntu thingy... I need to tear it apart and do a fresh install. |
| 12:37.29 | raster | bah |
| 12:37.41 | raster | stuff like that wil be oooold packages most likely |
| 12:37.48 | raster | best off nuking the packages and installing from svn |
| 12:38.01 | raster | i.e. follow the bleedoing edge |
| 12:38.08 | raster | trust me- e is unlike most oss projects |
| 12:38.19 | raster | we dont go having a dozen developer branches/tress with toys there |
| 12:38.24 | raster | everything goes into head |
| 12:38.29 | Kensan_ | raster: yes, and the underlying ubuntu does not play nice with my HW but I never really bothered because it's not my "main dev system". |
| 12:38.31 | raster | and it goes in and is tested and works |
| 12:38.41 | raster | so head is generally about as stable as most oss project releases |
| 12:38.56 | raster | just grab get_e.sh |
| 12:39.04 | raster | from www.rasterman.com/files/ |
| 12:39.18 | Kensan_ | raster: yeah, saw that :) Good thing you are a compuslive scripter ;) |
| 12:39.26 | raster | hehehe |
| 12:39.29 | Kensan_ | compulsive |
| 12:39.37 | Kensan_ | dangit, today's bad hair day |
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| 12:40.36 | Kensan_ | raster: any suggestions as far as the host os goes? Any distro working particularly well with e and friends? I am happy to try out new stuff. |
| 12:40.45 | raster | i use ubuntu |
| 12:40.49 | raster | (hardy) |
| 12:40.58 | raster | been doing dev on ubuntu now since feisty |
| 12:41.03 | raster | was on debian before that |
| 12:42.30 | Kensan_ | raster: alright. |
| 12:43.01 | Kensan_ | raster: well thanks for answering *ALL* of my questions. I should get back to work I guess ;) |
| 12:43.23 | raster | noooo! |
| 12:43.24 | raster | not work! |
| 12:43.26 | raster | whats work? |
| 12:43.33 | raster | wo schaffst du? |
| 12:43.35 | Kensan_ | raster: I will build the image later tonight and tell you how it goes. |
| 12:44.09 | Kensan_ | raster: Your more or less average software dev :) |
| 12:44.43 | Kensan_ | raster: ah another thing: I am going to meet one of the Swisscom guys on Friday. I will ask him about what their plans with OM are. |
| 12:45.21 | raster | wer? |
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| 12:46.02 | Kensan_ | raster: ich kenne seinen Namen (noch) nicht. |
| 12:46.09 | raster | (und software dev wo? bei microsoft? im handy bereich? sollte ich deutsch kwatschen?) |
| 12:46.10 | raster | :) |
| 12:46.14 | raster | aaah |
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| 12:46.25 | raster | wenn es thomas isst - sag mal hallo |
| 12:46.26 | raster | :) |
| 12:46.30 | Kensan_ | raster: hehe nihongo wa do desu ka? |
| 12:46.53 | Kensan_ | raster: ok, I will. and I most definitely don't work for MS nor any other Microsoft-related company ;) |
| 12:46.54 | raster | ã ããããã¶ã§ãã |
| 12:47.02 | Kensan_ | raster: can't read sorry ;) |
| 12:47.20 | raster | ã§ããã¡ãã£ã¨å¤§å¤ |
| 12:47.25 | raster | oooh |
| 12:47.45 | raster | just was wondering if u are german swiss or french swiss or some other swiss... :) |
| 12:48.00 | Kensan_ | raster: I only speak the language. Half swiss-german half jpn |
| 12:48.10 | Kensan_ | raster: hence the nickname |
| 12:48.12 | raster | si j'ai besoin de parler en francais. |
| 12:48.24 | raster | oooooh |
| 12:48.39 | raster | ããã§ãï¼ |
| 12:48.48 | Kensan_ | raster: consider me impressed. |
| 12:49.15 | raster | (in japanese you are called "half" - its actually a positive term. half jp/western is considered to be "very beautiful" - better looking that pure japanese for example) |
| 12:49.53 | raster | sometimes i just like to not insist on speaking english if i CAN speak the other lang |
| 12:50.04 | raster | i thin its a bit arrogant to demand everyone speak english :( |
| 12:50.15 | Kensan_ | raster: I know, but I did not inherit any of the japanese "look". Just the "I don't have any enzymes for alcohol" thing. |
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| 12:52.08 | raster | ooooh |
| 12:52.14 | raster | all red after 2 glasses? |
| 12:52.16 | raster | :) |
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| 12:53.09 | Kensan_ | raster: yeah that's about the measure ;) |
| 12:53.16 | raster | heheheheh |
| 12:53.30 | raster | i always found that fun in tokyo |
| 12:53.33 | Kensan_ | raster: a bit annoying but leaves me money to buy gadgets ;) |
| 12:53.44 | raster | the japanese business men walking home late all red faced |
| 12:53.52 | raster | "aha.. so i knwo what you've been doing!" |
| 12:53.55 | raster | it's so obvious |
| 12:54.04 | raster | indeed |
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| 12:56.05 | Kensan_ | raster: had a fun trip to china where I was part of a group that was invited to a official meeting where you HAD to drink. Very funny. |
| 12:56.08 | Kensan_ | raster: almost surreal towards the end *g* Anyways, I really should get some work done. |
| 12:56.20 | Kensan_ | raster: will try to catch you later. |
| 12:56.21 | raster | ooho yeas... HAVING to drink |
| 12:56.30 | raster | is lucky to have much practice to fall back on |
| 12:56.36 | raster | ok |
| 12:56.37 | Kensan_ | haha |
| 12:56.40 | raster | mach spass! |
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| 12:57.12 | Kensan_ | thanks, you too. |
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| 12:58.29 | hipitihop | waves to the residents |
| 12:58.52 | raster | wobbles |
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| 13:09.54 | toggles_w | raster: any plans to add zhone to your image? |
| 13:11.38 | raster | toggles_w: wel for me zhone doesnt handle incoming calls, doesnt seem to make calls, doesnt seem to register on the network and frameworkd eats up 50% cpu whebevr dragging your finger around (eg scrolling) |
| 13:11.48 | raster | so at least until frameworkd behaves better... no |
| 13:12.08 | raster | i'mn not intending it to be a usable phone currently |
| 13:12.22 | raster | its a bare bones image just enough for me to test the "core desktop" and efl test apps |
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| 13:16.24 | toggles_w | raster: thanks mate, zhone seems to work nearly ok stateside, but I understand where you're coming from |
| 13:17.08 | raster | yeah |
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| 13:17.25 | raster | at least what i've seen so far is "its not a working phone app - even if basic and for testing" |
| 13:17.34 | raster | so it just is faster for me to work without it |
| 13:17.37 | raster | its trivial to add in |
| 13:17.42 | raster | though i dont want zhone |
| 13:17.45 | raster | it *IS* a test app |
| 13:17.59 | raster | my goal is to provide a gui myselfg |
| 13:18.01 | raster | myself |
| 13:21.16 | CM_work | raster: That's always your goal.. ;) |
| 13:21.26 | raster | of course! |
| 13:21.27 | raster | :) |
| 13:22.42 | sicu | raster: will your own gui be a frontend of frameworkd when/if it becomes stable and snappy ... or will you design your own framework? |
| 13:23.02 | raster | yes |
| 13:23.12 | raster | (first thnig) |
| 13:23.25 | raster | as such tho frameworkd probably will eventually get redone by someone in c |
| 13:23.28 | raster | instead of python |
| 13:23.34 | sicu | ok, cool =] |
| 13:23.39 | raster | python is good for initial prototyping |
| 13:23.45 | raster | but right now i dont care much about that |
| 13:23.49 | raster | until it gets in my way |
| 13:24.13 | sicu | but its too slow ... so c would be ideal |
| 13:24.15 | raster | as i said - it's getting in my way with mouse events making everything sluggish while dragging/scrolling |
| 13:25.39 | raster | for now i have enough work keeping me busy not to worry |
| 13:25.40 | raster | :) |
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| 13:28.16 | sicu | raster: btw, on your desktop, are you running enlightenment as your main wm ? |
| 13:29.24 | xt | isnt that like asking bill gates if he runs windows? |
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| 13:29.59 | sicu | it is ... but personally i think gates is running *nix ;) |
| 13:30.21 | dns53 | i bet he's running his own phone image because he doesn't need a computer anymore |
| 13:30.58 | sicu | dns53: raster or gates ? |
| 13:31.05 | dns53 | raster |
| 13:31.30 | sicu | i'm running raster's image too ... works like a charm =] |
| 13:31.44 | raster | icman: do i run enlightenment as my main wm.... what do u think? :) |
| 13:32.09 | raster | or more |
| 13:32.14 | raster | why would i use another wm? |
| 13:32.17 | dns53 | the question is what keyboard does he use? |
| 13:32.19 | raster | what possible reason? |
| 13:32.27 | raster | when i have the choice of runing exactly what i want |
| 13:32.38 | raster | that works out of the box precisely the way i like |
| 13:32.40 | raster | or... something else |
| 13:32.41 | raster | :) |
| 13:32.52 | raster | dns53: logitech! :) |
| 13:33.22 | sicu | raster: point taken |
| 13:33.26 | sicu | hides ;p |
| 13:35.20 | raster | :) |
| 13:36.16 | raster | icman: it was a bit of a silly question |
| 13:36.17 | raster | :) |
| 13:36.27 | raster | sicu: it was a bit of a silyl q |
| 13:36.29 | raster | silly |
| 13:36.38 | raster | i believe in "dogfood" |
| 13:36.41 | raster | you eat your own |
| 13:36.49 | raster | and u dont make any excuses about it |
| 13:36.57 | raster | from CEO to secretary to engineer |
| 13:37.36 | raster | dont expect others to do what u are nto prepared to yourself |
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| 13:40.13 | sicu | good point |
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| 13:44.31 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4686 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches/ (hif-can-do-async.patch hif-direct-interrupt.patch series): Use direct SPI interrupts and let the HIF handle asynchronous operations. |
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| 13:55.40 | Shlee | Is that a kernel patch? |
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| 14:08.20 | pthorin | haha |
| 14:08.29 | pthorin | sorry, wrong window :) |
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| 14:11.14 | zoltan_ | am trying to compile the kernel for gta02fake |
| 14:11.19 | zoltan_ | for qemu |
| 14:11.36 | zoltan_ | which kernel version should i use as a base to apply the gta02-fake patch? |
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| 14:25.44 | bipak | is qt ext 4.4 now available for us? |
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| 14:26.48 | bipak | They will be at the new site: |
| 14:26.48 | bipak | http://qtextended.org |
| 14:26.48 | bipak | As soon as I can. Hopefully by this weekend. |
| 14:26.58 | bipak | hmmm ok. still waiting :< |
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| 15:00.01 | Dave | So, has raster taken over the world yet? |
| 15:00.26 | toggles_w | Nope, his phone cant make a call, soon as it does though, lookout.. |
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| 15:01.08 | dolf1074 | anybody knows where to get qt 4.4 for the freerunner? Or isn't it release yet? |
| 15:01.49 | sicu | it's released, but not for the open community yet ... we get it 3 days later iirc |
| 15:02.29 | dolf1074 | why the site is telling it is already released? That's confusing. |
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| 15:05.40 | nyu | dolf1074: the propietary version is |
| 15:05.54 | dolf1074 | nyu: I understand |
| 15:06.22 | dolf1074 | nyu: but the wiki should say so. (Like it does now after my edits) |
| 15:06.44 | nyu | the beauty of a wiki |
| 15:07.10 | dolf1074 | and qt 4.4 is really good news, but it's only news for on the openmoko wiki if there are images for the freerunner |
| 15:07.17 | dolf1074 | so i've deleted that to |
| 15:08.10 | dolf1074 | Wiki is great, except for the first one finding errors/inconsistency ;) |
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| 15:11.59 | Dave | nyu, unreliable chaotic smattering of information and opinions? |
| 15:12.15 | Dave | can hear it now... |
| 15:12.22 | Dave | "... but the wiki told me to do it!" |
| 15:12.46 | dolf1074 | Dave: I prefer chaotic information instead on none |
| 15:12.52 | Dave | :P |
| 15:12.57 | Dave | hire a maid ;) |
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| 15:13.16 | rwhitby | wikimaidia |
| 15:13.52 | Dave | bah, if only :| |
| 15:13.56 | Dave | wikimessy |
| 15:13.57 | nyu | dolf1074: anyway, even with a free release, FR images aren't always included |
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| 15:17.08 | Dave | whitby... wiki... wit-bee... they're all pretty close :P |
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| 15:52.51 | LionKMP | Hi! Where is the source code for openmoko? (e.g. openmoko-mediaplayer2?) |
| 15:53.45 | LionKMP | found in wiki :) |
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| 16:01.31 | LionKMP | is this used in current builds? http://svn.openmoko.org/ (for the om2007.2 apps maybe?) |
| 16:04.39 | OdyX | LionKMP: forget about 2007.2 Nobody is developing on it |
| 16:04.56 | LionKMP | oh, what about the openmoko-mediaplayer2? abandoned? |
| 16:05.10 | LionKMP | and those other apps in that repo. |
| 16:05.21 | LionKMP | (they are all available on my Om2008.9 too) |
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| 16:12.50 | OdyX | Well... hard to say.. |
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| 16:13.08 | mickey|tw | iirc i wrote something re. 2007 just yesterday |
| 16:13.11 | mickey|tw | please check the mailing list |
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| 16:14.30 | LionKMP | ok |
| 16:14.50 | LionKMP | (but I don't want 2007, I just want those APPS :) ) I check anyway, wanted to check list archives sometime anyway. |
| 16:15.30 | mickey|tw | sources at openmoko.org and o-hand |
| 16:15.39 | mickey|tw | check OE recipes for URIs |
| 16:16.24 | LionKMP | ah, yes, ok, I just found that git web thing too. is that "svn" link completely outdated? |
| 16:16.31 | LionKMP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.02 | mickey|tw | not outdated |
| 16:17.13 | mickey|tw | just no longer developed |
| 16:17.16 | mickey|tw | at least from Om's side |
| 16:17.24 | mickey|tw | i have invited the community more than once to continue developing these apps |
| 16:17.50 | mickey|tw | at least something happens on #openmoko-cdevel |
| 16:18.08 | mickey|tw | porting the 2007.2 apps to a more solid base |
| 16:18.15 | Dave | damn right |
| 16:18.17 | LionKMP | I see. Are those apps inclued in the OE git tree or not? (I see ~10 "openmoko-*" packages, but not those apps. |
| 16:18.21 | Dave | they're fucking solid... for the most part |
| 16:18.40 | Dave | unless you're talking about the openmoko-*[2] apps |
| 16:18.46 | Dave | they're pretty terrible |
| 16:18.53 | Dave | but at least you have a place to start? |
| 16:19.18 | LionKMP | *2, yes, aren't those newer versions? Howcome they are worse then *1 ? :) |
| 16:19.42 | LionKMP | they are not in http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=tree;f=packages;h=59e9f05565a2bcfdd7decfa4aedc4a61717b1502;hb=HEAD I think. |
| 16:20.28 | LionKMP | ah, found. called "openmoko2" |
| 16:20.39 | Dave | Is that the sequel? |
| 16:20.47 | LionKMP | :) |
| 16:21.36 | mickey|tw | indeed |
| 16:22.13 | LionKMP | the url is just a png file. well, ok, I'll try later. Maybe I should try the OE docs first :-) |
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| 17:20.00 | LionKMP | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.12 | LionKMP | I get that under toolchain on my PC. ideas? |
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| 17:24.07 | LionKMP | ah, root. ok. |
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| 17:28.31 | Dave | :p |
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| 18:16.24 | Tig1 | Dave! |
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| 18:55.48 | data_jepp | Any idea when the next qtopia image is out? |
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| 19:02.59 | sicu | what's up with everyone dropping out all the time ... ? :/ |
| 19:02.59 | xt | sicu: it's called netsplis |
| 19:02.59 | xt | *netsplits |
| 19:03.01 | sicu | xt: hmmm, seems to happen more than usual the past couple of days |
| 19:03.01 | Tig1 | freenode has been a little unstable recently |
| 19:03.02 | kirun | I've heard that one before :) |
| 19:03.02 | Tig1 | it happens, they were moving one of their servers the otherday |
| 19:03.09 | Tig1 | kirun: you get what you pay for :) |
| 19:03.14 | sicu | fair enough |
| 19:04.05 | sicu | apt: stop splitting the net |
| 19:04.06 | apt | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops splitting the net |
| 19:04.16 | kirun | So making smart comments doesn't keep servers up? |
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| 19:08.03 | mwester | notices that his printer has just run out of ink, and is happy that perhaps there *is* a technical problem he can actually get solved today. :-/ |
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| 19:09.04 | dolf1074 | mwester: congratz |
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| 19:09.15 | mwester | :) |
| 19:09.26 | tg | ;] |
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| 19:10.17 | lymeca | has a BRAND NEW FREERUNNER right here! |
| 19:10.21 | lymeca | opens the box... |
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| 19:11.10 | leinir | lymeca: Yay! :) |
| 19:11.15 | dolf1074 | Are there already nice fixes into the testing branch? |
| 19:11.25 | dolf1074 | and are there regressions? |
| 19:12.45 | mwester | Would we even notice regressions at this point? ;) |
| 19:13.46 | mwester | There's just not a lot of progress as far as I can see -- or perhaps the bot that posts commits here is missing the 2008.9 commits... |
| 19:14.03 | mwester | There's lots of work on FSO, though - that's looking really good. |
| 19:14.11 | dolf1074 | mwester: It would. I can do sms's and phone (sometimes) work |
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| 19:15.00 | dolf1074 | mwester: okay, will wait for next release then. I have tried to put my om2008.9 on the testing branch, but failed. (maybe took wrong packages) |
| 19:16.40 | mwester | The testing branch is always somewhat hazardous, it can break easily. |
| 19:17.34 | dolf1074 | yeah, I know. But because there weren't any updates on the 'stable' branch, I hoped I would get them in the testing branch |
| 19:19.45 | dolf1074 | I hope qt extended 4.4 comes really soon. |
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| 19:22.28 | mwester | I'm looking forward to that as well; I've switched to Qtopia for my dev and test stuff as it's just too hard to keep up with the 2008 and FSO releases lately. |
| 19:24.18 | lpotter | just trying to get qtextended.org set up correctly |
| 19:24.24 | dolf1074 | I can keep up with the releases, but I can't see any improvements. I see lot's of bug getting fixed, but there are to many unresolved. I think if they keep at this rate, it will take another year for we getting a stable phone stack |
| 19:24.30 | leinir | lpotter++ |
| 19:24.36 | leinir | ~karma lpotter |
| 19:24.36 | apt | lpotter has neutral karma |
| 19:24.41 | leinir | Aww... |
| 19:24.43 | leinir | lpotter++ |
| 19:24.45 | lpotter | heh |
| 19:24.46 | leinir | lpotter++ |
| 19:24.48 | leinir | ~karma lpotter |
| 19:24.48 | apt | lpotter has neutral karma |
| 19:24.52 | lpotter | ha! |
| 19:25.04 | leinir | Hmm... damn you, apt, and your non-channel-watching ways! ;) |
| 19:25.14 | dolf1074 | lpotter: hey, probably lot's of work there? |
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| 19:25.47 | lpotter | well... more like dns/routing configurations |
| 19:27.04 | leinir | If you guys need a remote server admin, i've got a boyfriend looking for a job like that ;) |
| 19:27.12 | lpotter | heh |
| 19:27.22 | lpotter | this server was outsourced |
| 19:27.24 | leinir | He's really good :) |
| 19:27.30 | leinir | *giggles* Aww, ok :) |
| 19:27.44 | lpotter | i am spoiled by our offices sysadmin who is very excellent |
| 19:27.51 | lymeca | okay |
| 19:28.06 | lymeca | So where should I go for documentation about upgrading my brand new Freerunner's software? |
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| 19:30.27 | dolf1074 | upgrading: you mean upgrading om2007.2? Than I have to disappoint you, there are no updates. If you want to upgrade to the new om2008.9 distribution, then you will have to reflash your freerunner. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 19:30.49 | dolf1074 | If you want to know what to flash, look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 19:31.07 | dolf1074 | If you know what you want, but search for downloading it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download |
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| 19:32.40 | viq | Hm, on 2008.9 I downloaded mplayer from official repositories and I'm trying to play an internet radio, but I get no sound... |
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| 19:56.16 | viq | http://rafb.net/p/ojtXPC93.html has output from computer and FR |
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| 20:43.27 | lymeca | So new Freerunners come with 2007.2? |
| 20:43.57 | lymeca | If I wanted to upgrade from 2007.2 to FDOM 20080927 (which is based off of 2008.9), can I just upgrade directly to it? |
| 20:44.18 | [df] | I think you have to flash it |
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| 20:46.25 | sicu | there's no way to upgrade from 2k7.2 to 2k8.* ... you will need to flash |
| 20:46.46 | sicu | uhmm .. yeh, what [df] said |
| 20:47.14 | viq | Is playing audio streams with the mplayer available in 2008 repos supposed to work? |
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| 21:50.45 | nyu | heh, FR is a hot topic: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_24 |
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| 22:04.23 | slaxxin | that was funny |
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| 22:06.03 | slaxxin | modified |
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| 22:06.47 | slaxxin | The FreeRunner image will be ready in 3 days |
| 22:06.54 | slaxxin | thats funny |
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| 23:45.11 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * race58f6b294a 10/Makefile: Changed setup-openembedded to use the org.openembedded.dev branch |
| 23:45.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/HEAD * race58f6b294a 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Changed setup-openembedded to use the org.openembedded.dev branch |
| 23:45.28 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07refs/remotes/origin/master * race58f6b294a 10fso-makefile/Makefile: Changed setup-openembedded to use the org.openembedded.dev branch |
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| 23:57.52 | Mononoke | any experienced debianist around ? |
| 23:58.52 | raster | ola las debianistas! |
| 23:59.25 | Mononoke | just stupid question, do I have to recompile slapd to use encryption ? |
| 23:59.44 | raster | slaps slapd |