| 00:00.19 | rwhitby | ceda: you'd have to flash more than 100 times per day to wear the phone out within 3 years |
| 00:00.52 | lawnjart | Hi room |
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| 00:02.09 | ceda | rwhitby: feels like I'm 2 years and 10 months away then :) |
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| 00:03.15 | lawnjart | I have a few questions about setting up gprs in FDOM for t-mobile, any one willing to give a hand? |
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| 00:04.31 | ceda | lawnjart: if you have FSO, please try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO (under Until there's a GUI) |
| 00:07.47 | lawnjart | thanks I may switch to FSO, I'm having no luck with FDOM, and I've been trying hard for a week now. |
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| 00:12.07 | ceda | doesn't FDOM include FSO? |
| 00:14.56 | slaxxin | lawnjart wats the problem? |
| 00:15.12 | paulproteus | rwhitby, I just flashed my GTA02 to fso-dev from that page, and held power down for three second to I think put the phone to sleep. |
| 00:15.42 | paulproteus | But pressing and holding power for 3s doesn't seem to wake it up. What is the expected way to put the phone in and out of sleep? |
| 00:16.37 | paulproteus | Maybe doing that turned it off, but pressing and holding AUX+POWER for 5s doesn't bring up the NAND menu either. |
| 00:16.57 | lawnjart | I'm new, and if fdom has FSo Incorporated then I've been looking at the wrong ppp scripts, |
| 00:17.42 | lawnjart | or instructions |
| 00:18.36 | paulproteus | Er, yeah, now I don't know how to turn it on. |
| 00:19.00 | paulproteus | What I would give something that told me what power state the Neo is in. |
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| 00:22.42 | paulproteus | Well, there, I rebooted. |
| 00:22.54 | paulproteus | By removing and reinserting the battery with the USB cable unplugged. |
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| 00:27.07 | lawnjart | ok I just checked the wiki, I don't think FDOM has FOS, is any running FDOM right now |
| 00:27.47 | lawnjart | and have gprs running |
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| 00:32.25 | ceda | nice :) |
| 00:33.13 | ceda | lawnjart: no, sorry. It's too late here (2:30 in the night) - I'm mixing it up with SHB or SBH |
| 00:33.26 | ceda | SHR even :P |
| 00:33.35 | ceda | http://shr.bearstech.com/ |
| 00:36.17 | paulproteus | Yay, fso-dev is treating me well so far. |
| 00:36.23 | paulproteus | I'm still worried about sleep, though. |
| 00:39.45 | cjb | anyone happen to know how to set up at&t gophone voicemail from a moko? |
| 00:53.59 | lawnjart | sorry cjb I'mno help |
| 00:54.35 | rwhitby | paulproteus: fso-testing or fso-unstable? (no such thing as fso-dev) |
| 00:54.49 | paulproteus | fso-testing, sorry. |
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| 00:56.01 | rwhitby | paulproteus: for suspend, press power for > 1, < 5 secs, and be patient - it takes a while after button release to actually suspend |
| 00:56.22 | paulproteus | There we go! |
| 00:56.23 | paulproteus | Thanks! |
| 00:56.34 | paulproteus | dials and checks for wake on ring |
| 00:56.57 | paulproteus | Hmm, don't see much waking going on here. |
| 00:57.24 | paulproteus | rwhitby, And to wake from suspend? |
| 00:57.35 | paulproteus | tries power for 1.5 seconds again, to no avail |
| 00:57.44 | ceda | hmm |
| 00:57.55 | rwhitby | paulproteus: short press on power to wake. |
| 00:58.04 | rwhitby | my fso-testing image just woke up on call recieve |
| 00:58.09 | paulproteus | Hmm. |
| 00:58.32 | paulproteus | I think my phone might be off again. |
| 00:58.40 | ceda | I really miss the actual usability of my SE M600i :( the jog wheel + two buttons made lots of things easy to access |
| 00:58.41 | paulproteus | But in the weird state where pressing and holding power lots of times does nothing. |
| 00:58.43 | rwhitby | (I'm on gta01 remember, so gta02 could easily be different) |
| 00:58.50 | paulproteus | nods re: GTA01 vs. 02 |
| 00:59.31 | ceda | paulproteus: are you sure that it's just not the screen that fails from waking up? |
| 00:59.51 | ceda | because that happens to me very often |
| 01:00.17 | paulproteus | ceda, As far as I can tell, dmesg reports at sleep time the cdc_ethernet went away, but hasn't come back yet. |
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| 01:01.27 | ceda | ok |
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| 01:10.30 | paulproteus | Do other people have their neos fall into this ignores-power-button state? |
| 01:10.53 | slaxxin | yup |
| 01:11.00 | SpeedEvil | paulproteus: It can do that if stuff dies |
| 01:11.28 | slaxxin | im torn between shr an 2008.9 |
| 01:11.39 | slaxxin | shr it is |
| 01:12.46 | slaxxin | im going to do opkg upgrade to an FDOM 09172008 just to see first |
| 01:13.05 | paulproteus | What's the right way to recover from the ignores-power-button state, remove and reinsert battery? |
| 01:13.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:13.32 | SpeedEvil | or ssh to it and shutdown |
| 01:13.37 | SpeedEvil | if you can do that |
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| 01:15.45 | slaxxin | the angstorm vervion is only going from 09172008 to 09202008 |
| 01:16.21 | slaxxin | so |
| 01:17.00 | mwester | It's a case of all the right stuff -- just a little bit too soon, I suspect. "ompower" daemon, apm, and other user-space stuff is all the right stuff to have, but there's some instability somewhere in the ASU userspace stuff that seems to go very badly for suspend/resume. |
| 01:17.34 | slaxxin | ff |
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| 01:18.06 | mwester | FSO does really quite well, but it's incomplete. Qtopia is almost there; just missing a couple of simple things to force flowcontrol on the GSM -- with that applied, I've found it works astonishingly well. |
| 01:19.17 | mwester | :) My wife was astonished today as well, when I called her on it -- and she called me back and I actually was able to answer it. :) That's never happened before on any GTA0x here. |
| 01:19.26 | mwester | Very promising developments lately. |
| 01:19.50 | slaxxin | so shr or 2008.9? |
| 01:20.01 | paulproteus | mwester, "called her on it" = FSO? |
| 01:20.11 | mwester | shr isnt' done yet. and 2008.9 is just more of the same as 2008.8. |
| 01:20.15 | paulproteus | Or Qtopia + flow control? |
| 01:20.16 | KenYoung | Yeah, I've started using it as a real phone too. Weird feeling... |
| 01:20.18 | mwester | paulproteus: Qtopia. |
| 01:20.32 | mwester | Qtopia is by far the best; FSO is the most promising. |
| 01:20.35 | paulproteus | mwester, URL for "simple things"? |
| 01:20.53 | mwester | Not written up yet, will be done before the weekend is over. :) |
| 01:20.57 | paulproteus | mwester, Okay (-: |
| 01:21.14 | paulproteus | Any quick hints for now as to what to flash? |
| 01:21.14 | mwester | :) It doesn't even need a new kernel! |
| 01:21.36 | mwester | Flash the latest Qtopia image |
| 01:21.51 | mwester | Or the latest FSO MS3 image -- whichever you prefer. |
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| 01:22.50 | paulproteus | follows http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=79 believing it is the latest Qtopia |
| 01:23.46 | paulproteus | Oh, there is a 2008-09-02 4.3.3 preview flash. |
| 01:23.57 | mwester | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=83 |
| 01:23.59 | mwester | :) |
| 01:24.14 | paulproteus | Just found it. (-: |
| 01:24.15 | paulproteus | And for kernel? |
| 01:24.23 | paulproteus | I have an fso-testing kernel right now. |
| 01:24.40 | mwester | That might work. Should be a kernel in that image tarball. |
| 01:24.50 | paulproteus | Cool, I'll use the one in the Qtopia download then. |
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| 01:25.42 | mwester | I'll have an updated kernel for Qtopia (among other things, if I can sort out all the defconfigs!) as well; nothing needs patching for Qtopia or anything, just an updated kernel with the latest -stable updates. |
| 01:25.56 | mwester | (might help out some wireless issues, IIRC) |
| 01:25.57 | paulproteus | nods |
| 01:26.04 | paulproteus | Should I expect to hear about it on community@, or what? |
| 01:26.14 | mwester | Nope, on -devel |
| 01:26.18 | paulproteus | Okay, great. |
| 01:26.44 | mwester | I'm also looking for guinea pigs, er, volunteers I mean. |
| 01:26.56 | mwester | Folks with the problem described in bug 1024. |
| 01:27.05 | mwester | Need data and logs. |
| 01:27.27 | ceda | mwester: are you on FSO? |
| 01:27.31 | ceda | +working |
| 01:27.42 | paulproteus | mwester, If you tell me what to log, I will enable logs in case I find myself affected by that. |
| 01:27.43 | mwester | Qtopia mainly, but I think one here is running FSO. |
| 01:28.16 | ceda | mwester: mine's oscillating (at least with the FSO M2 image I'm running now) |
| 01:28.24 | paulproteus | BTW, are you as afraid to put your GTA02 to sleep as I am? |
| 01:28.45 | ceda | every first call I make through FSO dbus to do something (GetSimInfo or ActivateContext for gprs) and it disconnects |
| 01:28.46 | mwester | paulproteus: if you don't know if you have the problem, I can assure you that you are unaffected ;) |
| 01:28.59 | paulproteus | mwester, Well, I've hardly been using it (-; |
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| 01:30.06 | mwester | Oh you'd notice -- every 30 seconds it drops from the cellular network, and then reconnects -- it's quite obvious. But when you establish a call -- it holds the network just fine. |
| 01:30.45 | mwester | https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 |
| 01:30.49 | ceda | mwester: I have that right now |
| 01:31.08 | ceda | (it just dropped to No service) |
| 01:31.14 | mwester | Cool. |
| 01:31.23 | ceda | and now it's back |
| 01:31.54 | ceda | but I really need to go to bed |
| 01:31.55 | paulproteus | mwester, Very well. (-: |
| 01:31.57 | mwester | And re-registered, with the same carrier -- and while connected, the signal strength appears to be fine? |
| 01:32.26 | mwester | ceda: if you can collect a log file, I'd be very interested to see if the timing and pattern matches. |
| 01:33.32 | ceda | mwester: I'm on a FSO M2 image right now |
| 01:33.53 | ceda | not sure what/how to do (it) |
| 01:34.05 | mwester | Ok. I'm working with M3, and that's the one I have instrumented code for... so that's the one I'd prefer to continue to work with. |
| 01:34.18 | mwester | (too many distros otherwise, and MS2 is obsolete) |
| 01:34.25 | ceda | yes I know |
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| 01:34.47 | ceda | I just put it in to to make sure I wasn't fooling any one regarding that gprs is broken in M3 testing |
| 01:34.55 | ceda | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/149 |
| 01:35.30 | ceda | mwester: would it be helpful if I gave you access to my phone while I go to sleep? :) |
| 01:35.39 | mwester | paulproteus: I just put my GTA02 w/FSO MS3 to sleep (hold the power button for a few seconds), and then woke it back up. |
| 01:35.54 | mwester | ceda: :-o I'll sell it on eBay! :D |
| 01:36.05 | paulproteus | When I just did that with fso-testing, it went into a state where it ignores future power button presses. |
| 01:36.09 | ceda | hehe, I mean remote :) |
| 01:36.18 | mwester | ceda: best to wait until you get MS3 loaded. |
| 01:36.32 | ceda | mwester: but I mean with MS3 loaded |
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| 01:36.35 | mwester | paulproteus: Do you know if the kernel with fso-testing is a -stable kernel or a -andy kernel? |
| 01:36.41 | paulproteus | ...no idea. |
| 01:36.41 | mwester | The -andy kernel won't resume. |
| 01:36.51 | paulproteus | I see. |
| 01:36.54 | mwester | ceda: I'd prefer just logs; safer. |
| 01:37.11 | paulproteus | I just started flashing Qtopia. |
| 01:37.15 | mwester | paulproteus: Try flashing the kernel from the MS3 release instead |
| 01:37.26 | ceda | I understand |
| 01:37.31 | mwester | Oh, well then go give Qtopia a try. |
| 01:37.36 | ceda | good night folks |
| 01:37.40 | mwester | gn |
| 01:37.42 | paulproteus | Good night, ceda! |
| 01:37.49 | paulproteus | mwester, I see the kernel in this tarball has your name on it! |
| 01:37.54 | mwester | :) |
| 01:38.06 | mwester | That's why it doesn't need any kernel patches for suspend/resume. |
| 01:38.29 | mwester | (not to say there aren't more patches required, just that all patches that are written are included) |
| 01:38.42 | paulproteus | Naturally. |
| 01:39.16 | mwester | paulproteus: GTA01 or GTA02? |
| 01:39.24 | paulproteus | 02 |
| 01:39.25 | paulproteus | I also have an 01. |
| 01:39.37 | mwester | Ah, I thought I remember you being around for a while. |
| 01:39.39 | paulproteus | And a few spare SIMs. |
| 01:39.41 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 01:39.57 | paulproteus | I'm Asheesh Laroia, if you've seen me on mailing lists from time to time. |
| 01:40.14 | mwester | ah - you were on the SHR list as well. |
| 01:40.19 | paulproteus | Yes. (-: |
| 01:40.29 | paulproteus | My time for OM is very bursty.... |
| 01:40.34 | paulproteus | Like so many, I'm sure. |
| 01:41.58 | paulproteus | I actually had a pre-mass-production GTA01. |
| 01:42.04 | paulproteus | It's somewhere in Baltimore with a friend who did the solder fix. |
| 01:42.11 | paulproteus | (I'm in San Francisco instead.) |
| 01:45.14 | mwester | I'm in the middle; outer 'burbs near Chicago. |
| 01:45.32 | paulproteus | Nice. |
| 01:45.48 | mwester | Yeah, it's a different sort of world, technology-wise. |
| 01:46.21 | mwester | High-tech, almost all embedded, but always one step lagging in terms of "state-of-the-art"... |
| 01:46.45 | paulproteus | Most of what I hear about here is web startups. |
| 01:47.41 | paulproteus | boots Qtopia |
| 01:47.42 | mwester | gotta run for a moment -- bbiab |
| 01:47.46 | paulproteus | Sure. |
| 01:57.19 | slaxxin | i have shr unstable installing |
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| 01:59.21 | slaxxin | dfgf |
| 02:02.25 | slaxxin | ~shr |
| 02:02.25 | apt | shr is probably Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release |
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| 02:03.38 | slaxxin | ~why |
| 02:03.38 | apt | Why? Because you touch yourself at night. |
| 02:04.17 | slaxxin | ~how |
| 02:05.10 | slaxxin | which shr image to use? |
| 02:08.29 | paulproteus | ~why |
| 02:08.30 | apt | Why? Because you touch yourself at night. |
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| 02:37.04 | slaxxin | ~ why |
| 02:37.05 | apt | Why? Because you touch yourself at night. |
| 02:37.25 | dgilmore | are the batteries compatiable between the freerunner and neo1973? |
| 02:37.33 | paulproteus | dgilmore, Yes. |
| 02:38.43 | dgilmore | paulproteus: hmm i ordered a spare kit because i suspected a faulty battery and it keeps switching off |
| 02:39.08 | dgilmore | its plugged into a computer should i leave it plugged into a wall overnight? |
| 02:39.25 | paulproteus | dgilmore, You should plug it into a wall to charge it, if it does switch off before it succeeds at charging. |
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| 02:41.59 | dgilmore | paulproteus: thanks |
| 02:42.12 | paulproteus | Sure thing. (-: |
| 02:47.43 | stephelton | opkg update/upgrade on a 2008.8 install should (except for kernel?) cover everything in 2008.9, right? |
| 02:55.41 | malik1972 | stephelton: nice question, i wanted to ask a similar question concerning the respository to use |
| 02:56.49 | malik1972 | will there be a new repository folder for 2008.9 or should i use the one for 2008.8 instead? |
| 02:59.58 | stephelton | malik1972: already there is at least one difference that is apparent, but it's potentially just a config thing |
| 03:00.37 | stephelton | i'd much prefer to avoid reinstalling and configuring things / copying data |
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| 03:06.34 | malik1972 | stephelton: do you also have strong gsm audio problems? |
| 03:08.01 | malik1972 | i dont know if something happens in that direction, buzz, echo, low volume ... my feeling is that it was better some months ago |
| 03:10.18 | malik1972 | the overall audio quality should have the highest priority otherwise the people who i phone wont buy a freerunner;-) |
| 03:10.38 | malik1972 | "dont phone me with that mobile anymore!!!" |
| 03:11.08 | malik1972 | it costs me a lot of friends;-) |
| 03:11.26 | slaxxin | i just installed 2008.9 an theres no echo an they can hear me very well |
| 03:11.38 | malik1972 | slaxxin: no |
| 03:12.06 | malik1972 | slaxxin: have a look at the known issues, it stongly depends on your environment |
| 03:12.27 | slaxxin | what enviroment? |
| 03:12.31 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.38 | malik1972 | slaxxin: echo goes, buzz comes, its messy and difficult i think |
| 03:13.06 | malik1972 | slaxxin: if your are inside, outside, sidetones etc etc |
| 03:13.28 | slaxxin | ok |
| 03:14.08 | malik1972 | slaxxin: the problems are not solved |
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| 03:18.55 | malik1972 | slaxxin: this seems to be a good blog http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-some-news-on-echo-front.html |
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| 03:54.59 | slaxxin | whats with the illume-config installer anyways?? |
| 03:57.11 | slaxxin | well no dialer working in shr |
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| 04:34.49 | slaxxin | its funny that a release thats supposed to have fixes dont and in my case things get worse |
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| 04:35.11 | slaxxin | now i have wifi -unknown |
| 04:35.23 | slaxxin | never did before |
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| 04:43.31 | paulproteus | slaxxin, Which one. dot 9? |
| 04:43.45 | paulproteus | nods, dot 9 |
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| 04:59.25 | rooly | hey guys |
| 04:59.28 | rooly | check engadget |
| 04:59.37 | rooly | there's an article on the openmoko |
| 04:59.43 | rooly | (comment me!) |
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| 05:09.10 | rooly | anyone |
| 05:09.12 | rooly | anyone at all |
| 05:10.05 | raster | i ate them all |
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| 05:15.53 | rooly | ic |
| 05:15.58 | rooly | so's ya read me comment? |
| 05:16.27 | rooly | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/19/how-would-you-change-openmokos-neo-freerunner/ |
| 05:17.02 | rooly | img el...who dat\ |
| 05:21.20 | raster | reads now |
| 05:22.15 | raster | doesnt say anything interesting |
| 05:22.22 | raster | and theres just your regular peanut gallery |
| 05:22.24 | rwhitby | slaxxin: shr hasn't done a release ... |
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| 05:26.57 | rooly | raster, your keyboard showed up on my phone |
| 05:27.00 | rooly | i didn't put it there |
| 05:27.02 | rooly | what's the deal |
| 05:27.12 | rooly | (it's crazy faster too) |
| 05:27.38 | raster | dunno |
| 05:27.51 | raster | faster though? |
| 05:29.05 | rooly | seems |
| 05:29.21 | rooly | well, when it first popped up it was going a little bit slow |
| 05:29.37 | rooly | but key-highlighting is crazy faster than it used to be |
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| 05:31.32 | raster | hmmm |
| 05:31.35 | raster | i've never noticed |
| 05:31.43 | raster | faster than what though? |
| 05:32.11 | rooly | what my old experiences with it were |
| 05:32.39 | raster | oh |
| 05:33.42 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:34.08 | rooly | the wrench app seems to not launch "battery meter" and "modules" correctly |
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| 05:38.41 | raster | ro no - theyare the normal e desktop dialogs |
| 05:38.45 | raster | nothing was ever done to them |
| 05:40.33 | rwhitby | wonders why they are taking up flash and ram space then ... |
| 05:41.00 | raster | they are part of e's core code |
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| 05:41.04 | raster | and the battery module |
| 05:41.14 | raster | they are not separatable things |
| 05:41.34 | rwhitby | typical desktop mentality being shoehorned onto an embedded device ;-) |
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| 05:44.43 | raster | oh a lot of it is separatable |
| 05:44.44 | raster | but really |
| 05:45.11 | raster | do u care about 190 lines of code that is the battery config code? |
| 05:45.20 | raster | the battery itself is a pluggable module |
| 05:45.27 | raster | its config dialog rides along with it |
| 05:46.25 | rwhitby | every little bit hurts ... |
| 05:46.40 | raster | u have the flash to burn there |
| 05:46.46 | rwhitby | just like that wifi applet that runs on gta01 ... |
| 05:47.10 | rwhitby | no I don't have the flash, cause I've filled that up with useful apps ... ;-) |
| 05:47.12 | raster | that was part of illume as i just wanst going to spend the time to make a module all on its own |
| 05:47.22 | raster | also u'd probably use more space having it as a separate module |
| 05:47.28 | rwhitby | and I'm 190 bytes short of adding another app ;-) |
| 05:47.37 | raster | as the overhead in inodes, extra files for the extra module and dirs would be greater than the extra code |
| 05:47.59 | rwhitby | loves poking raster about illume and embedded devices - it never fails to get a rise ;-) |
| 05:47.59 | raster | there is a discrete unit that is sane to work with |
| 05:48.15 | raster | and then whats worth the time and effort humanly |
| 05:48.20 | raster | u are free to provide patches |
| 05:48.21 | raster | :) |
| 05:48.28 | rwhitby | you know I love your work raster :-) |
| 05:49.03 | raster | i do believe thoug that every thing shoudl come with its own gui config ability |
| 05:49.07 | raster | ie u install an app |
| 05:49.19 | raster | it has anytign needed to configure it already there |
| 05:49.25 | raster | ie the "preferences"मà¥à¤¨à¥ |
| 05:49.30 | raster | err |
| 05:49.32 | raster | prefs menu |
| 05:49.33 | raster | or whatever |
| 05:49.37 | raster | however it is hooked in |
| 05:49.48 | raster | and so all the e stuff generally is just like that |
| 05:51.02 | raster | i do need to make those dialogs work properly on illume tho |
| 05:51.05 | raster | i just never got to it |
| 05:51.10 | raster | i started that work week before lats |
| 05:51.25 | raster | generalisign the config dialog stuff a little more to be able to fit the display policy of illume |
| 05:51.38 | raster | and then the contents of dialogs needs some re-arranging for specific situations |
| 05:51.53 | raster | the moduels dialog is the only config dialog built-into e |
| 05:51.57 | raster | as all other config dialogs are modules |
| 05:52.05 | raster | or are part of the moduel they configure |
| 05:52.21 | raster | its built in because well.. u need a way to configure the moduels that configure things... |
| 05:52.24 | raster | :) |
| 05:59.07 | lpotter | hmmm |
| 05:59.13 | lpotter | yousure about that? |
| 06:01.31 | raster | whihc bit? |
| 06:03.02 | raster | wonders if the frame bg shoudl be solid.. or slightly translucent |
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| 06:46.44 | cga | good morning folks |
| 06:46.52 | cga | i'm flashing with 2008.9 |
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| 07:31.39 | hil__ | somehow, pixman package is failing to compile for om2008.8 with makefile |
| 07:31.43 | hil__ | can anyone help please ? |
| 07:32.04 | hil__ | error is: /build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libcairo.so: undefined reference to `pixman_format_supported_destination' |
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| 07:35.32 | hipitihop | waves to the troops |
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| 07:50.46 | sakkara | good morning =) |
| 07:51.10 | rooly | ditto |
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| 07:53.01 | Raigedas | while sitting on default OS i am able to backup and restore whole SD card with "dd". but why isnt it possible other way around? why i am unable to backup internal memory (i guess NAND) with "dd" while sitting on debian on SD? |
| 07:53.25 | Raigedas | it makes a few kilobytes only instead of whole 256MB backup |
| 07:53.40 | Wonka | nand flash is completely different from sd cards... |
| 07:54.07 | Wonka | the latter have a FTL and play like magnetic block devices |
| 07:54.38 | Wonka | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup for backing up your flash |
| 07:54.42 | rooly | yup, they go really fast |
| 07:54.55 | rooly | snickers at the "FTL" thing |
| 07:55.11 | rooly | ya know what bothers me |
| 07:55.13 | Raigedas | Wonka, i read that but i searching for faster methods.. |
| 07:55.29 | Wonka | Raigedas: if there were some, they'd be there |
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| 07:55.37 | rooly | people commenting on that engadget article keep saying 3g 3g 3g 3g |
| 07:55.48 | rooly | wouldn't "more stable phone" be more important? |
| 07:55.54 | Wonka | rooly: ack |
| 07:56.11 | rooly | or, "no sound-server quitting" |
| 07:56.21 | rooly | how bout "x11 forwarding to the phone" |
| 07:56.24 | Wonka | and before saying "3g", i'd rather say "3g sim" or maybe "gemalto sim" |
| 07:56.39 | rooly | "3g is a must" |
| 07:56.40 | Wonka | openssh should do it? |
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| 07:56.46 | rooly | wtf, it's still dialup |
| 07:56.59 | sakkara | i have a big problem... i run om2008.08 on FR and all gtk-apps are crashing with "bla was interrupted by signal number 4" |
| 07:57.05 | Wonka | i'd be happy with internet at all |
| 07:57.06 | rooly | Wonka: nah, om's x won't properly load x-windows |
| 07:57.17 | Wonka | foo. |
| 07:57.26 | rooly | from ssh that is |
| 07:57.41 | Wonka | i could try debian's x... because i have debian running currently... |
| 07:57.54 | rooly | that would probably work |
| 07:58.19 | rooly | but om2007/8 isn't able to have x forwarded to it |
| 07:58.25 | rooly | forwards itself plenty fine |
| 07:59.28 | sakkara | can someone help me? =( |
| 07:59.51 | rooly | sakkara: remember, when someone knows the answer, they will answer |
| 08:01.03 | sakkara | rooly: yeah... |
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| 08:13.14 | mpr | rooly: X11 forwarding worked fine for me w/ raster's 2008.8 |
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| 08:14.14 | mpr | at least xterm from my laptop opened neatly in illume and was visible in the app list just like local applications |
| 08:14.56 | rooly | try something a little more data intense |
| 08:16.09 | mpr | then it's just the usb net being slow or cpu choking, don't say X forwarding isn't working :) |
| 08:16.24 | rooly | used to not work |
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| 08:16.50 | rooly | sweet... |
| 08:17.07 | rooly | i just nuked myself and the 2 other opponents in a tankwars game... |
| 08:17.20 | rooly | in 1 shot |
| 08:17.27 | rooly | should try x11 then |
| 08:17.44 | rooly | forwarding, i mean |
| 08:18.20 | sakkara_ | no good day today =(, when i connect FR to my computer, knetworkmanager wants to make a connection with usb0 and crashes o.O |
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| 08:21.17 | bipak_ | anybody got qtopia-x11-bluetooth running on 2008.8-updated? |
| 08:21.39 | bipak_ | or can suggest me another bt tool for exchanging files witih other phones |
| 08:25.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r74dad0ddb9e9 10/fsod/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 08:25.01 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add support for enable_subsystems key |
| 08:25.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Handle some unhandled errors |
| 08:25.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add Time subsystem to the make scripts |
| 08:25.02 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2ac3c836ebea 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Time/ (Makefile.am Time.vala): Add Time subsystem |
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| 08:31.44 | ToOOot | hi, how is sms working on 2008.9 . Do all messages come through? |
| 08:31.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9eb8854a01e3 10/ (145 files in 45 dirs): |
| 08:31.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) add a missing Makefile.am |
| 08:31.54 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) re-organize the repository a bit |
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| 09:21.44 | Gnutoo | hello, is there an image that integrate the fix for the echo on the other side when you are in a call? |
| 09:21.56 | Gnutoo | and that has qtopia |
| 09:22.06 | Gnutoo | s/has/have |
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| 09:25.52 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r35ab40a79d27 10/fsod/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix return type of request_name |
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| 09:28.48 | rooly | horay |
| 09:28.55 | rooly | bluetooth headset is beginning to work |
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| 09:32.29 | ToOOot | congrats rooly. I'm still busy trying to get the thing phoning and sms' ing reliable ;) |
| 09:32.53 | rooly | hmm, sms has always seemed to work for me |
| 09:32.58 | rooly | maybe it's cause i'm on at&t |
| 09:33.51 | ToOOot | No it's a qtopia issue. What are you using? |
| 09:34.04 | rooly | 2008.9 |
| 09:34.17 | ToOOot | how's the echo, is it that bad? |
| 09:34.33 | rooly | haven't had an issue with it |
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| 09:35.22 | ToOOot | hmm.. well I will give it a shot. Maybe I'm also one of the lucky few |
| 09:36.15 | zogg_ | Probably asked before... 2008.9 doesnt have its own updates repository? |
| 09:36.39 | rooly | it uses the same repo as all the others |
| 09:36.45 | zogg_ | k |
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| 09:36.55 | rooly | however, you may need to dig into it and change the repo url's manually |
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| 09:37.39 | leachim_dot_eu_ | hi is everybody here who knows a lot of abaut the hardware of the neo freerunner? |
| 09:37.56 | leachim_dot_eu_ | specialy about the displays |
| 09:38.21 | Raigedas | do these numbers in OM version mean date like in ubuntu? |
| 09:38.28 | dolf1074 | yup |
| 09:39.06 | Raigedas | so, default os for freerunner is made at 2007 february?? |
| 09:39.25 | Raigedas | year and a half old? |
| 09:39.43 | rooly | the shipped one |
| 09:40.00 | rooly | people don't complain that vista is a year and a half old |
| 09:40.11 | rooly | so what's your problem? |
| 09:40.43 | viq | No, people just complain at vista ;) |
| 09:40.55 | dolf1074 | default os is 2008.9 |
| 09:41.13 | rooly | shipped iirc is still 2007.2 |
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| 09:41.30 | Raigedas | because vista uses different development model.. 1 year for windows is not so much, as a year for opensource project.. |
| 09:41.44 | dolf1074 | yes, but you can put new images on it |
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| 09:42.26 | dolf1074 | normally if you buy a phone, it's software is older |
| 09:42.42 | dolf1074 | because they don't change the software afterwards |
| 09:42.51 | dolf1074 | if it is on the market |
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| 09:42.59 | rooly | i'm sure the razor OS is around 5 years old |
| 09:43.01 | Raigedas | but i am still shoked.. can not understand the reason why they have put 2007.2 instead of latest available.. |
| 09:43.30 | rooly | because they have a simple setup at the factory: assemble the phone, then flash with a script |
| 09:43.39 | max_posedon | Raigedas, because, *when they putted* it was !latest! stable. |
| 09:43.47 | viq | Raigedas: they DID put on the latest available |
| 09:43.51 | Raigedas | mm. |
| 09:43.53 | Raigedas | ok... |
| 09:43.56 | ToOOot | isn't 2007.2 still the most stable relable release? |
| 09:44.04 | rooly | ...imo, yes |
| 09:44.21 | dolf1074 | That's because they want to flash a bare empty om2008 on it and you can choose what you want Om2008.9 or FSO |
| 09:44.27 | rooly | however, the today screen likes to crash on it |
| 09:44.28 | max_posedon | Raigedas, if you recive phone yesterday, it doesn't mean that phone was prodused a day before yesterday) |
| 09:44.34 | dolf1074 | But that bare empty image isn't ready, so they haven't change a bit |
| 09:44.43 | viq | Well, I'm rather happy with 2008.08, and a friend is too. But, well, you'll get more votes than available distributions, I know someone who's trying to make gentoo run on it ;) |
| 09:44.45 | dolf1074 | so the old om 2007.2 is still flashed |
| 09:48.13 | ToOOot | qtopia 4.4 could be the one they should be using to ship FR with whenever that is released. I think their dev. model is more robust than openmokos |
| 09:48.30 | ToOOot | Looking forward to that one. |
| 09:48.53 | dolf1074 | yeah, but openmoko will not punish themself |
| 09:49.16 | dolf1074 | they stand for openness and they put a closed source image at their phne |
| 09:49.27 | viq | ToOOot: you are completely free to install it once you get the phone ;) |
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| 09:50.11 | ToOOot | viq: i have already done that :) |
| 09:50.37 | max_posedon | qtopia hasn't gps, it is pure for many people. |
| 09:51.06 | rooly | sighs |
| 09:51.09 | rooly | 1 error |
| 09:51.11 | rooly | only 1 error |
| 09:51.32 | ToOOot | dolf1074: i think the default image should be the best and most reliable until they all are stable enough. |
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| 09:52.41 | ToOOot | that's why I like qtopia, they start with the most important stuff. Phoning.. the rest comes later |
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| 09:54.10 | viq | I don't remember seeing claims the phone is fully usable out of the box ;) It's a geek toy, doing that would take away part of the appeal, at least for some of the people ;) |
| 09:54.14 | dolf1074 | you may like the qtopia, but openmoko will not shoot his head and make an opensource phone without opensource software. Btw. the freerunner isn't a consumer ready phone. So don't expect to get one. |
| 09:54.27 | ToOOot | but I will try 2008.9 later today. Curious how far they are. |
| 09:54.28 | viq | "Ha! I made my phone work! Beat that!" ;) |
| 09:55.17 | rooly | ok, viq |
| 09:55.36 | rooly | i'll call your bet, and raise you my bluetooth headset almost working |
| 09:56.22 | ToOOot | not consumer ready is one thing, but I think we should expect a phone at least to be able to phone and sms reliable |
| 09:56.40 | ToOOot | devs do phone as well don't they? |
| 09:56.52 | rooly | not on the freerunner |
| 09:57.01 | rooly | only the craziest of us actually use this as an everyday phone |
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| 09:57.25 | viq | rooly: oh, it's not hard to beat what I am doing with my phone ;) But yes, bluetooth headset is nice :) |
| 09:57.39 | viq | Especially if you can also make it play musisc through it ;) |
| 09:57.41 | rooly | paired, and making boong and beep |
| 09:57.48 | rooly | but no phone calls yet |
| 09:57.49 | Raigedas | how should i enter my PIN (on om2008.8) if it shows qwerty keyboard and no numbers? :)) |
| 09:57.59 | rooly | slide up on the keyboard |
| 09:58.01 | dolf1074 | not ready = not ready, so if it is sms that don't work or it is the gps. It's all the same. It's just not ready |
| 09:58.11 | dolf1074 | Raigedas: read the topic of this channel |
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| 10:05.07 | islandescape | when running debian on the Neo, how can I mount the build in flash? |
| 10:05.52 | islandescape | i.e. what device is it or do I have to make the nodes? |
| 10:06.56 | viq | What does a flashing aux led mean on 2008.08 ? And the phone seems to have hanged... |
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| 10:08.03 | dns53 | installing debian will format the sd card |
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| 10:09.04 | dns53 | you just need to kill x and run install.sh to install it, it takes ages |
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| 10:10.38 | rooly | sighs |
| 10:10.40 | rooly | another day |
| 10:10.43 | rooly | nn |
| 10:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
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| 10:14.16 | bove | hi. Im having problem with xfce installation on debian |
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| 10:14.53 | dns53 | go ahead and explain |
| 10:15.04 | bove | running xfce only starts zhone. Guess it has something to do with "cp /etc/init.d/zhone-session /etc/init.d/xfce" ? |
| 10:16.05 | dns53 | x starts differently, give me a second i'll boot mine |
| 10:16.47 | Sascha | islandescape: /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/flash jffs2 defaults,noatime,noauto 0 2 |
| 10:17.07 | islandescape | Sascha: great! thanks |
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| 10:23.54 | dns53 | ok you should be able to edit /etc/init.d/zhone-session and change PROG_FSO=/usr/bin/xfce-session |
| 10:27.07 | bove | thanks. give me one minute |
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| 10:33.41 | bove | seems like i totally missed the "Then you may hack /etc/init.d/xfce making" |
| 10:33.56 | bove | trying xfce start now |
| 10:36.40 | bove | there she goes =) thanks |
| 10:37.19 | dns53 | np, i've hacked my scripts to use more of the matchbox desktop |
| 10:38.01 | fletch | hi |
| 10:38.08 | bove | ok. guess I'lljust move on to that now |
| 10:38.34 | fletch | i tried to change the xfwm4 windowmanager to matchbox |
| 10:38.52 | fletch | but if i want to remove xfwm4 it also remove xfce4 |
| 10:39.33 | dns53 | well you need it installed but you could hack your xfce startup somehow |
| 10:40.16 | bove | tell us |
| 10:40.19 | fletch | in ~/.xinitrc: ? |
| 10:42.20 | dns53 | not sure how it starts, let me install it |
| 10:43.47 | bove | how can the "Using matchbox-window-manager with XFCE" paragraph require removal of xfce? |
| 10:47.11 | dns53 | the package xfce4 requires the package xfwm but we want to change the window manager it uses, you can't get rid of the package but you could change how xfce4 works |
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| 10:55.30 | BierSchaum | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
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| 11:02.50 | BierSchaum | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ |
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| 11:10.08 | Raigedas | please give me URL to OM2007.2 ... i am realy lost on wiki.. |
| 11:10.32 | Raigedas | cannot find rootfs for om2007.2 |
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| 11:10.58 | viq | start from http://downloads.openmoko.org/ |
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| 11:12.03 | sandwitch | Hello, is there anyone with experience building om on fedora? |
| 11:13.04 | Raigedas | viq, there is only 2007.11 .. and only for gta01 |
| 11:13.44 | fletch | try http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/freerunner_om-gta02/ |
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| 11:17.56 | Gromgull | Do I really need to reflash to get 2008.9? Will opkg update/upgrade not get me the same result? |
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| 11:28.36 | rwhitby | wonders why people don't understand that Qtopia is dual-licensed with GPL being one of the licenses, therefore it *is* open source. |
| 11:28.45 | fletch | i just install debian on my FR and when i want to boot from microSD i get an error: unable to read uImage from MMC 1:1 |
| 11:29.01 | Tm_T | rwhitby: ignorance |
| 11:29.39 | viq | fletch: do you have an updated u-boot? |
| 11:30.15 | rwhitby | just reading the backlog with dolf1074 going off about openmoko "punishing themself" by putting Qtopia (which is open source) on an open source phone. Ignorance indeed. |
| 11:30.44 | fletch | i tried the uboot from 2008.9 |
| 11:30.52 | fletch | oh wait |
| 11:30.56 | fletch | uimage |
| 11:30.58 | Tm_T | rwhitby: people refuses to understand world, but meh, hu-mans are weird |
| 11:31.02 | rwhitby | even worse is that no-one else in the channel at that time knew it was open source either, cause no-one corrected him. |
| 11:31.08 | fletch | uboot is from april 2 |
| 11:31.32 | viq | fletch: you need updated uboot. debian installs it's boot on ext2, which older uboot does not support |
| 11:31.43 | fletch | how do i update? |
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| 11:31.51 | rwhitby | dfu-util |
| 11:32.12 | hever | When will the GTA03 or perhaps GTA04 be available ? |
| 11:32.23 | Tm_T | hever: in the future |
| 11:32.28 | viq | hever: when it will be ready. Maybe even this decade ;) |
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| 11:34.05 | hever | I thought perhaps someone knows something more about it. |
| 11:34.19 | Tm_T | hever: no we cannot know the future |
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| 11:34.44 | hever | and whats the state ? |
| 11:35.23 | rwhitby | specifications are not finalised, so production is *way* off in the future. |
| 11:36.58 | hever | but its a fact that it won't be 3G able, or are there still discussions to bring it in GTA03 ? |
| 11:37.23 | fletch | how can i update uboot with dfu-utils? |
| 11:37.35 | mjr | no 3g for 03 |
| 11:38.00 | mjr | that's pretty certain, as far as certain goes in this |
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| 11:40.21 | hever | thanks |
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| 11:42.13 | rwhitby | fletch: dfu-util -a u-boot -D <file> |
| 11:42.26 | fletch | just found it in the wiki :) |
| 11:42.27 | fletch | thnx |
| 11:42.39 | rwhitby | fletch: assuming you're on a GTA02 FreeRunner. Don't do it to a GT01 without a Debug Board handy. |
| 11:42.54 | fletch | already done :) |
| 11:43.43 | fletch | no i get another error message when i want to start debian |
| 11:43.51 | fletch | i reinstall it now |
| 11:43.57 | leinir | rwhitby: The FUD methodology is extremely effective to those with only a fleeting interest in a targeted topic :) |
| 11:44.08 | leinir | And since that's the majority, well... :) |
| 11:44.29 | Tm_T | leinir: indeed |
| 11:44.38 | Tm_T | leinir: son, indeed so |
| 11:45.22 | rwhitby | mails the list about his pet peeve about "hobbyists" saying "oh, I didn't have time to upload the source code alongside that GPL'd binary" ... |
| 11:46.00 | viq | hah |
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| 11:56.54 | bove | Im having problems with a 2GB MicroSD card on 2008.8. fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 says "cannot read from /dev/mmcblk0". The card works fine on my Nokia N82 and all laptops |
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| 11:58.14 | bove | could this be a driver issue? |
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| 12:06.29 | ieatlint | you know, there's a "1337 Pope St" here in san francisco.. |
| 12:06.36 | ieatlint | perhaps the most awesome address ever |
| 12:07.07 | viq | I've been in Phear Park ;) |
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| 12:08.26 | ieatlint | hehe, there's a park in upstate new york called "Jacks Kill Area" ... if only my name were jack |
| 12:08.44 | ieatlint | would be an awesome place for a pinic with a date |
| 12:09.19 | viq | lol |
| 12:10.19 | bove | the sdcard problem fixed itself after doing "dmesg | grep mmc". What can that tell us? |
| 12:10.48 | viq | "Everything works after you threaten it appropriately" ;) |
| 12:11.13 | rwhitby | bove: there have been some messages on the mailing list about intermittent problems recognising sd cards |
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| 12:11.41 | ieatlint | dmesg only reads the kernel log, so it had nothing to do with that |
| 12:12.14 | rwhitby | wonders what is eating his $GPGSV's on the gta01 such that ogpsd is not seeing them ... |
| 12:13.03 | bove | ok. It died again now |
| 12:15.46 | bove | but is it a software issue? |
| 12:16.51 | bove | I need this specific card for installing Debian, so being able to see it in 2008.8 is not really a big issue |
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| 12:19.51 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r82e0e66044a7 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Use the http protocol to be able to git-clone/git-fetch connman |
| 12:21.27 | rwhitby | bove: since it's a kernel thing, I expect it will affect all distros |
| 12:23.52 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r8a98ceaac17a 10/packages/libgdbus/libgdbus_git.bb: [libgdbus] Use the right git server, use the right protocol |
| 12:23.52 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r7cc01d33f597 10/packages/clutter/moblin-proto_git.bb: [moblin-proto] Use the right git server |
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| 12:25.53 | bove | ok. maybe I'll just go out and see if I can find that confirmed-to-work 2gb Sandisk card from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
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| 12:30.20 | malik1972 | raster: ping |
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| 12:33.55 | Alexander | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 12:42.57 | rwhitby | wonders if GTA01 has an SD card <-> GPS problem too |
| 12:43.45 | mickeyl | it has |
| 12:44.19 | rwhitby | and let me guess - the kernel patches were only for GTA02? |
| 12:44.41 | mickeyl | sure |
| 12:44.49 | mickeyl | since it's completely somewhere else on the 01 |
| 12:44.55 | rwhitby | right |
| 12:45.14 | mickeyl | i don't even know whether the SoC can tweak SD in the same way as glamo can |
| 12:45.18 | rwhitby | 's interest level in openmoko just dropped a notch |
| 12:45.28 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:45.39 | leinir | How so? |
| 12:46.01 | mickeyl | how so what? |
| 12:46.33 | leinir | [2008-09-20 14:44:15] * rwhitby 's interest level in openmoko just dropped a notch |
| 12:46.36 | mickeyl | ah |
| 12:46.37 | mickeyl | well |
| 12:46.49 | mickeyl | general annoyance over Openmoko's hardware capabilities |
| 12:46.59 | mickeyl | the hardware team is improving |
| 12:47.00 | mickeyl | slowly |
| 12:47.01 | mickeyl | but still |
| 12:47.18 | rwhitby | leinir: I only have a GTA01 (since the pre-production GTA02 I got doesn't work), and now I just realise (I should have realised much earlier) that GTA01's limited flash is going to be an issue (I thought booting from SD card would fix that) |
| 12:47.37 | leinir | Righty |
| 12:47.57 | johngay | Hey, that's what happens when you let everyone follow your hardware dev. They get to see what is hidden by other companies. |
| 12:48.07 | mickeyl | johngay: *nod* |
| 12:48.08 | leinir | Indeed :) |
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| 12:48.17 | mickeyl | if it was me i would not be so open |
| 12:48.22 | mickeyl | i think it's endangering the business |
| 12:48.28 | rwhitby | and since I won't be replacing my Treo650 phone with anything that doesn't have a physical keyboard, the GTA02 is not really an option for anything other than a development device |
| 12:49.02 | johngay | Apple does a real nice BT keyboard for only $80. |
| 12:49.21 | mickeyl | bbiab |
| 12:49.25 | rwhitby | johngay: convergence is the key word here ... |
| 12:49.25 | leachim_dot_eu_ | Roh: ping |
| 12:49.37 | leinir | johngay: It's a question of practicality :) |
| 12:49.58 | rwhitby | I already have one device that does everything I need (the Treo650), but doesn't run Linux. I'm not moving to two devices just to run Linux. |
| 12:50.02 | leinir | A fold-out keyboard on the device itself is decidedly more practical than a second device you have to get out of your picket :) |
| 12:50.33 | rwhitby | A physical keyboard is so essential that it should never be folded away |
| 12:50.43 | rwhitby | (for my use cases, that is) |
| 12:50.49 | johngay | Well, with a BT keyboard, a mini-USB to USB female adaptor and a USB-serial converter, my FR is practicality a laptop (-; |
| 12:51.00 | leinir | i was going to say something like "for you", yeah ;) |
| 12:51.08 | leinir | Most of the time it's in the way for me :) |
| 12:51.15 | rwhitby | johngay: and I bet it doesn't slide easily into a single pocket in your jeans |
| 12:51.42 | johngay | Not even into a picket. But it'd serve my purposes nicely. |
| 12:52.19 | rwhitby | For my use case, I need to be able to (using one hand only), pull the phone out of the pocket, switch to email, get new email, type a reply, put phone back in pocket. |
| 12:52.22 | zedstar | likes a physical keyboard on a device also |
| 12:53.07 | rwhitby | The Treo is the *only* phone on the market that can do that. Any windows mobile device takes about three times as many key presses to do the same thing, and you need to look at the menu. |
| 12:53.34 | johngay | Actually, I'd prefer a graphiti-type input method, but it lacks too many special keys. |
| 12:54.03 | rwhitby | hasn't used graphiti since the Treo180 |
| 12:55.54 | zedstar | be interested to see how the HTC dreams keyboard is |
| 12:56.06 | johngay | I've loved graphiti since I got my half-price Pilot when 3COM bought USR. |
| 12:56.35 | johngay | I wonder if Xerox could be convinced to share it? |
| 12:56.42 | rwhitby | most days I don't even pull the stylus out of the slot, and I use the Treo a *lot* |
| 12:57.16 | rwhitby | each to his own, I guess. |
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| 12:58.00 | johngay | That's why we like Linux, if gives us choices (-; |
| 12:58.09 | zedstar | my treo 650 is in my gadget grave yard now but it was about the best phone keyboard experience i had also |
| 12:58.20 | rwhitby | zedstar: how much you want for it? |
| 12:58.44 | johngay | Then hack the keyboard from it to you FR (-; |
| 12:58.52 | rwhitby | johngay: already do that |
| 12:58.56 | zedstar | rwhitby the antenna is busted but i guess could be fixed |
| 12:59.01 | rwhitby | (via BT and dund and ssh) |
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| 12:59.21 | rwhitby | zedstar: even better - I can use it to port fso |
| 12:59.36 | SpeedEvil | wonders if graphiti is used in any products now. |
| 12:59.43 | SpeedEvil | I know there were legal probs |
| 13:00.01 | zedstar | rwhitby i dont mind donating it to a good FOSS use! |
| 13:00.07 | piksi | so - with om 2008.9 - could i finally use freerunner as a phone - even for a day at a time without huge configuring and trouble? |
| 13:00.12 | johngay | Xerox sued 3COM due to patent infringement. |
| 13:00.40 | rwhitby | zedstar: I'd be happy to pay shipping costs. An international small box is about USD$14 I think. |
| 13:01.04 | rwhitby | mickey|bbiab: what do you think the chances of running fso on Treo650 are? |
| 13:01.09 | johngay | But with the recent spate of patents being 'given' to the Linux community, maybe Xerox could be perswaded? |
| 13:01.45 | SpeedEvil | xstroke is pretty close |
| 13:02.07 | zedstar | rwhitby ok....i will work out a way of sending it to u.....email me and we sort it out jmoore@zedstar.org |
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| 13:02.43 | johngay | xstroke? sf doesn't have it. |
| 13:02.47 | rwhitby | zedstar: sent |
| 13:03.32 | zedstar | rwhitby ok....ill next weekend i will have a look at trying to send that out to u |
| 13:03.35 | SpeedEvil | xstroke - a version of it was in matchbox |
| 13:03.50 | SpeedEvil | It's a simple stroke recogniser for X |
| 13:04.34 | johngay | google found it. Looks nice enough. But I hear the FR's touchscreen is too flaky for stroke recognition? |
| 13:04.43 | SpeedEvil | Worked OK for me |
| 13:04.53 | SpeedEvil | (with 01) |
| 13:05.01 | johngay | Finger or stylus? |
| 13:05.28 | SpeedEvil | stylus |
| 13:05.58 | SpeedEvil | The recognition area on matchbox-xstroke was too small for fingers |
| 13:06.47 | johngay | That means I don't need a BT keyboard, just minicom and that damned miniUSB to USB female adaptor. |
| 13:07.23 | Gnutoo | hello, what qtopia image has the more recent packages and kernel? FDOM? 2008.9? some 2008.8 testing or unstable? i want the fix for the echo during phone calls and qtopia |
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| 13:10.08 | SpeedEvil | jomat_: however, I think matchbox-xstroke went away in 2007.2 |
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| 13:12.12 | rwhitby | wonders where the source code patches are published for the FDOM distribution ... |
| 13:12.35 | ronny | fdom? |
| 13:13.02 | ronny | ah, fat and dirty? |
| 13:14.23 | rwhitby | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/fdom/ has no SCM repository associated with it ... |
| 13:15.04 | rwhitby | wonders how many licenses are not being complied with by the binaries at http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/ ... |
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| 13:16.22 | rwhitby | the irony of people who tout open source phones, and then turn around an don't provide full source code for the binaries they are distributing for those phones ... |
| 13:16.40 | ieatlint | ok, who's bored and wants to try an accelerometer controlled beta version of a snake game? |
| 13:16.53 | raster | rwhitby: not sure - but i think gpl provides a clause for "non commercial distribution" to NOT have to provide a written offer or sources |
| 13:16.59 | raster | if they can just point at tghe upstream |
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| 13:17.01 | raster | ie OE |
| 13:17.08 | rwhitby | raster: NO |
| 13:17.10 | raster | "we just build binaries of this stuff" |
| 13:17.18 | rwhitby | OE has full sources always available - you can't rely on upstream |
| 13:17.46 | rwhitby | anyone who distributes binaries must comply - there is no clause that allows you to "just point to upstream" |
| 13:18.25 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Does it have a url? |
| 13:18.27 | rwhitby | just look in sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources for the burden that we carry for freedom ... |
| 13:18.58 | ieatlint | rwhitby, so tell them to put in the line "email me for the gpl source" and as long as you comply with such requests via email, you should be in compliance |
| 13:19.10 | rwhitby | ieatlint: agreed - no problem with that. |
| 13:19.37 | rwhitby | the fact that people simply ignore the GPL is what bothers me. the same people that complain when corporations ignore the GPL |
| 13:19.37 | ieatlint | haakeyar, http://tehinterweb.com/snake (that's the bin.. source will come later, i need to smooth it out and plan to seek the help of a local OM user group) |
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| 13:20.10 | ieatlint | it requires enlightenments ecore, evas and ecore_evas libraries, all of which should be in the repos if not already on your phone |
| 13:20.23 | rwhitby | there is no "allowed grace period" between putting up GPL binaries and putting up corresponding source (or offer to provide source) |
| 13:20.39 | rwhitby | either put up the source (or notice) at the same time, or don't put up the binary. |
| 13:21.02 | lindi- | ieatlint: such a notice is usually much more trouble since it needs to be valid for at least three years |
| 13:21.04 | aliases123 | rwhitby: there is so. you have to provide the binrary -- it has to be available. until some one asks for it you don't |
| 13:21.13 | aliases123 | so techinically its some what fine.... to delay |
| 13:21.20 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.20 | raster | from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the |
| 13:21.20 | raster | source code from the same place satisfies the requirement to |
| 13:21.20 | raster | distribute the source code, even though third parties are not |
| 13:21.20 | raster | compelled to copy the source along with the object code. |
| 13:21.43 | raster | you DONT need to provide source |
| 13:21.50 | rwhitby | raster: you've read that wrong |
| 13:21.51 | raster | you simply can indicate where the source may be |
| 13:21.54 | raster | ie upstream |
| 13:22.04 | aliases123 | rwhitby: nar you can't do that really |
| 13:22.08 | rwhitby | it says if you point to upstream *OBJECTS* then you can point to upstream source too |
| 13:22.18 | rwhitby | if you have your *OWN* objects, then you have to have your own source. |
| 13:22.27 | ieatlint | haakeyar, oh, and to quit, either crash the snake into itself or shake the phone on its Z axis (i still need to write a proper UI :) |
| 13:22.28 | aliases123 | ~source code |
| 13:22.29 | apt | ask me about sources |
| 13:22.33 | aliases123 | ~sources |
| 13:22.34 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 13:22.44 | aliases123 | bah... thought i knew which one it was |
| 13:22.49 | raster | rwhitby: read section 4 of lgpl |
| 13:22.52 | raster | it does not say that |
| 13:23.04 | raster | it says you may distribute object code |
| 13:23.08 | raster | blah blah |
| 13:23.13 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Ok, will try it when the neo has (finally) finished booting. Would be nice to have the sources too thouhg. :) |
| 13:23.15 | haakeyar | *though |
| 13:23.25 | raster | if u accompany with source |
| 13:23.30 | rwhitby | raster: which clause? |
| 13:23.30 | raster | and then the above paragraph |
| 13:23.40 | raster | 4. |
| 13:23.49 | lindi- | LGPLv2 or GPLv2? |
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| 13:23.59 | raster | this is lgpl 2 |
| 13:24.18 | rwhitby | raster: BTW, I'm talking GPL, not LGPL. |
| 13:24.23 | raster | i know |
| 13:24.24 | raster | so was i |
| 13:24.27 | raster | its the same too |
| 13:24.29 | raster | let me find it |
| 13:24.47 | rwhitby | is happy to be proven wrong, but must see the clause in the GPL which says it |
| 13:24.52 | raster | ok |
| 13:24.57 | raster | gpl 3.c |
| 13:24.58 | ieatlint | haakeyar, source will come soon |
| 13:25.01 | raster | v2 |
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| 13:25.17 | raster | "you may distribute object code if..." |
| 13:25.26 | raster | (do one of the following) |
| 13:25.27 | raster | one of whihc is |
| 13:25.29 | ieatlint | haakeyar, and it'll be gpl when it does, but i want to get a bit of input from a couple guys i'm meeting later today frist |
| 13:25.51 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.52 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.52 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.52 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.52 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.00 | raster | ie |
| 13:26.04 | rwhitby | raster: you're talking about clause 3(c) of GPLv2? |
| 13:26.09 | raster | yup |
| 13:26.19 | raster | so you recieved the offer |
| 13:26.19 | rwhitby | again, that's only if you got OBJECT code from somewhere else, and linked that in. |
| 13:26.22 | raster | (ie a copy of the GPL) |
| 13:26.26 | rwhitby | if you built from source, then you must provide the source |
| 13:26.52 | raster | doesnt say that there |
| 13:27.15 | rwhitby | "only if you received the program in object code or executable form" |
| 13:27.23 | rwhitby | crystal clear |
| 13:27.34 | ieatlint | i think you're aruging a moot point... the issue at heart is the spirit of the licence, and i for one don't see it as violated if i offer (for instance) a binary image to flash to a FR without providing the source |
| 13:27.48 | rwhitby | ieatlint: unfortunately, that's not the case |
| 13:27.51 | ronny | well, did they actually change stuff, or just provide compiled version of the already public source |
| 13:27.52 | ieatlint | as the source is still freely available to anyone with a search engine... |
| 13:28.02 | rwhitby | distributions have been told by the FSF that they cannot just point upstream |
| 13:28.16 | rwhitby | ieatlint: imagine if Debian did what you just said. |
| 13:28.17 | ieatlint | i didn't say it complied with the letter of the licence |
| 13:28.27 | ieatlint | i think size matters |
| 13:28.28 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:28.32 | ronny | rwhitby: distributions usually add patches |
| 13:28.32 | rwhitby | what's the difference between Debian and you when it comes to GPL compliance. |
| 13:28.41 | ieatlint | if it's me doing it as a hobby, whatever, as long as the source is obtainable |
| 13:28.43 | raster | oh yes |
| 13:28.45 | raster | you're right |
| 13:28.48 | ronny | (and insane amounts of them) |
| 13:28.50 | ieatlint | if it's a large organisation, such as debian |
| 13:29.02 | rwhitby | and if you can get away with not providing source, then why can't Nokia? |
| 13:29.04 | lindi- | ieatlint: i still haven't got source code for the patched neod binary that is distributed in some blog |
| 13:29.10 | raster | ieatlint: i agree with you |
| 13:29.29 | ieatlint | lindi-, well, that's entirely different, i'm talking about packaging binaries of unmodified source |
| 13:29.37 | raster | ieatlint: unless it includes custom unreleased patches to gpl/lgpl software that are found noehwre else |
| 13:29.37 | rwhitby | every "hobbyist" who doesn't fully comply with the GPL just erodes it for everyone who is trying to get corporations to comply |
| 13:29.53 | ieatlint | if you distribute a patched/altered version of a gpl program, that is a whole different thing |
| 13:29.54 | raster | if all it is is a different package selection and config setup from the same upstream source... |
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| 13:30.01 | raster | it's complying with the spirit |
| 13:30.14 | rwhitby | ieatlint: ah, if you just aggregate unmodified binaries (i.e. you're not rebuilding them from source), then you can use section 3(c) of the GPL to point upstream |
| 13:30.36 | ieatlint | i think we're not understanding eachother |
| 13:30.42 | rwhitby | but if you build from source, or modify *IN* *ANY* *WAY* then you yourself must provide the source for those modifications |
| 13:31.22 | raster | personally... there is no way in hell i'm going to do that if i build an image |
| 13:31.26 | ieatlint | i agree with the modifying it |
| 13:31.37 | rwhitby | raster: then you shouldn't distribute it |
| 13:31.38 | raster | i am not going to provide all source |
| 13:31.41 | lindi- | rwhitby: but only if you got such an offer? i don't think debian gives me that offer so i always distribute orig.tar.gz and diff.gz of all packages i put to livecd's i publish |
| 13:31.49 | ieatlint | but if i just build it from source, and ANYONE can build the same exact bin as me... that's really arguing a useless point |
| 13:31.50 | raster | rwhitby: great. i'll get out of the open source game |
| 13:31.56 | raster | i dont have the bandwidth to do it |
| 13:32.00 | raster | prety simple |
| 13:32.06 | raster | so sue me |
| 13:32.07 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 13:32.12 | rwhitby | raster: since Nokia or Microsoft can just use the same argument you do |
| 13:32.20 | ieatlint | that's like "ok, i built this with glib.. so i need to post the glib tarball now" |
| 13:32.28 | raster | i'd love to see the oos ommunity sueing its own members and drving them away. |
| 13:32.48 | rwhitby | raster: I'm talking about OS community eroding it's own licenses |
| 13:33.08 | rwhitby | saying that corporations should comply, but not complying themselves |
| 13:33.19 | raster | i'm talking about the communty putting barries in place for its own members to just put up a "hey i built this - convenient for users now" images. |
| 13:33.21 | Mek | raster: you are allowed to charge what it costs you to give them the source |
| 13:33.25 | ieatlint | then the licence is what needs to change, not the people |
| 13:33.39 | rwhitby | raster: point to the clause in the GPL that allows that and I'll agree with you. |
| 13:33.50 | rwhitby | ieatlint: I agree |
| 13:33.54 | raster | Mek: cool. i charge $200/hr for my services :) should be fun. :) |
| 13:34.03 | raster | seriously |
| 13:34.06 | raster | its stupidity |
| 13:34.11 | raster | i see why its there |
| 13:34.17 | Mek | raster: "charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution" :P |
| 13:34.20 | raster | but all it does is mean that either u flaunt the licence |
| 13:34.22 | rwhitby | raster: I didn't say it makes sense, but that's what the GPL says. |
| 13:34.24 | raster | and just go "sue me - have fun" |
| 13:34.36 | raster | or u just stop supporting the community |
| 13:34.42 | raster | go somewhere else. |
| 13:34.57 | rwhitby | it's one reason why I often use BSD licenses. no such stupidity :-) |
| 13:34.59 | ieatlint | raster, maybe you should make your own OSS licence then... "Raster Public Licence v2" |
| 13:35.05 | raster | Mek: the act of doing so means i can't charge for my time for work. it is a cost. |
| 13:35.21 | johngay | You only need to provide sources if you modify the source for what you distribute. |
| 13:35.24 | raster | rwi i do like bsd/mit-x11 |
| 13:35.26 | raster | its more open |
| 13:35.34 | rwhitby | BTW, there are plenty of open source hosting places that will host your source and binaries for you at no cost |
| 13:35.47 | raster | in the "just get on with business" as opposed to create some political mud-slinging match over it |
| 13:35.56 | raster | rwhitby: thats not the problem |
| 13:36.00 | raster | the problem is having to UPLOAD them |
| 13:36.04 | raster | u're in .au |
| 13:36.09 | raster | u have xfer caps |
| 13:36.09 | Gnutoo | hello, tar exit annormaly with FDOM images: http://pastebin.com/m17dd80db |
| 13:36.17 | Gnutoo | what should I do? |
| 13:36.19 | rwhitby | raster: make sure they never go near .au |
| 13:36.25 | raster | too bad |
| 13:36.27 | raster | am there |
| 13:36.31 | rwhitby | just wget from source to destination, both in US |
| 13:36.38 | raster | because to build - thats where they end up |
| 13:36.38 | johngay | <Gnutoo> hello, tar exit annormaly with FDOM images: http://pastebin.com/m17dd80db |
| 13:36.45 | rwhitby | I am too, but sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources never goes near .au |
| 13:36.51 | raster | i can't "guarantee" thats the source |
| 13:36.59 | rwhitby | who says you need to build in .au ? |
| 13:37.07 | raster | as its not exactly what i have built from |
| 13:37.16 | raster | the onyl guarantee is that the wgtet gets the same data |
| 13:37.19 | rwhitby | who says the binary that you distribute has to be the one from your personal machine? |
| 13:37.22 | raster | it may have change supstream between wgets |
| 13:37.23 | raster | or svn co';s |
| 13:37.24 | raster | etc. |
| 13:37.27 | johngay | Can someone help Gnutoo and quit the religios war? |
| 13:37.32 | lindi- | raster: md5sum |
| 13:37.34 | rwhitby | if you have a repeatable build process, then you can release from anywhere |
| 13:37.39 | ieatlint | rwhitby, let me just say, if you ever say in an argument the phrase "well, technically.." ... you're being an ass :P |
| 13:37.49 | raster | lindi-: again - barrier of entry |
| 13:37.57 | johngay | This isn't GPL-comp, its openmoko |
| 13:38.00 | ieatlint | (believe me, i know, i am an ass) |
| 13:38.00 | rwhitby | ieatlint: hey, don't blame me if there is a license that you find hard to comply with |
| 13:38.02 | raster | sonow i have to go do this for dozens if not 100's of packages ans sources |
| 13:38.09 | johngay | <Gnutoo> hello, tar exit annormaly with FDOM images: http://pastebin.com/m17dd80db |
| 13:38.34 | rwhitby | ieatlint: it's the terms of the GPL, not I, who is being an ass. |
| 13:38.40 | Gnutoo | md5sum seems ok |
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| 13:39.02 | rwhitby | why didn't the FSF add the clause in GPLv3 to allow hobbyist to get around needing to distribute source? |
| 13:39.14 | raster | they should have |
| 13:39.16 | johngay | rwhitby, you ARE being an ass. |
| 13:39.19 | Mek | in gplv3 you are allowed to point to a 3rd party |
| 13:39.29 | ieatlint | the were too busy coming up with the stupid name "fsf", i suppose |
| 13:39.32 | Mek | you just are responsible if that 3rd party removes the source... :) |
| 13:39.45 | rwhitby | Mek: ah good. looks like someone came to their senses on that one. |
| 13:40.01 | ieatlint | Mek, how specific does it need to be? |
| 13:40.06 | ieatlint | eg, "google.com for sources" |
| 13:40.06 | johngay | CAN *WE* STOP *THE* LICENCE *BATTLE!!!* |
| 13:40.26 | Mek | ieatlint: "Source may be on a different server (operated by you or a third party) that supports equivalent copying facilities, provided you maintain clear directions next to the object code saying where to find the Corresponding Source." |
| 13:40.26 | ieatlint | no, but we can move from words to fists |
| 13:40.37 | rwhitby | johngay: the real reason why I pursue this line is that there is often too many cases where someone in the community releases a cool app, but doesn't put up source, and then disappears from the scene before the source comes |
| 13:40.53 | rwhitby | and *that* harms the community |
| 13:40.59 | ieatlint | Mek, alright "google for glib source" ... i complied |
| 13:41.00 | johngay | AND TO DROWN OUT PEOPLE WITH GENUINE FR PROBLEM? |
| 13:41.19 | raster | johngay: if someone is going to answer they can and will |
| 13:41.22 | raster | no one is going to |
| 13:41.24 | rwhitby | I personally don't care about people pointing to third parties for unmodified stuff or not. |
| 13:41.28 | raster | so mayaswell make noise |
| 13:41.28 | raster | :) |
| 13:41.37 | lindi- | johngay: please don't use three exclamation marks. |
| 13:41.46 | johngay | !!! |
| 13:41.59 | ieatlint | agreed, exlamation marks should only ever be used in non-prime numbers |
| 13:42.16 | ieatlint | hence, !, !!!!, !!!!!!, etc |
| 13:42.27 | shanka | Hi all, I downloaded the FDOM version 20080913. I flashed it onto the internal flash and it's working great. |
| 13:42.28 | shanka | I thought I'll put this on the SD card. So I followed all the instructions given in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 13:42.36 | rwhitby | For example, I'd like to be able to turn the FDOM into an OpenEmbedded recipe, so that it's reproducible and upgradeable via feeds. The fact that they haven't released source for their modifications prevents that. |
| 13:42.47 | Gnutoo | mmm...so if FDOM doesn't work...which recent image that include the fix for the echo should i use? |
| 13:42.52 | raster | rwhitby: i'll just wait for the legal action as i have no intent of making ormaintaing patches to gpl or lgpl stuff without it going upstream into some existing known repository for source |
| 13:43.04 | rwhitby | Which means that anyone using FDOM is going to have to reflash whenever they release a new version |
| 13:43.07 | lindi- | rwhitby: i share your worries on the issue, i often find binaries of modified GPL apps without source |
| 13:43.12 | raster | (ie go upstream or Oe or upstream to devs) |
| 13:43.35 | raster | even then i've got enough work with my own code :) |
| 13:43.36 | shanka | now, after I do a u-boot entry, and start, I'm getting a Kernel Panic. What do I do |
| 13:43.52 | rwhitby | raster: I have no intent on starting legal action - the point here is to educate, not to sue. |
| 13:44.11 | shanka | I get the error: |
| 13:44.11 | shanka | Kernel Panic - not syncing: No init foud. Try passing init = option to kernel |
| 13:44.23 | raster | rwhitby: i know - thats my point. until people actually persue legal action.. people will flaunt the license |
| 13:44.28 | raster | just out of practicality |
| 13:44.30 | johngay | shanka, find a forum where there isn't a licence battle going on. |
| 13:44.42 | shanka | johngay: lol |
| 13:44.42 | rwhitby | raster: yep, so we shouldn't expect corporations to be any different then |
| 13:45.02 | raster | rwhitby: generally i don't :) |
| 13:45.21 | raster | rwhitby: but generally the corporation is someone with an order of magnitutde more resources |
| 13:45.25 | rwhitby | shanka: if I had access to the source of FDOM, I might be able to help ... |
| 13:45.45 | rwhitby | raster: but also order of magnitude reason to find ways not to comply |
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| 13:46.16 | Gnutoo | shanka, mabe try changing boot entry, or image |
| 13:46.20 | shanka | rwhitby: I downloaded it from http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/compartida.net/ as suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM |
| 13:46.44 | rwhitby | shanka: yes, and there is no source code for the modifications they have done alongside that binary |
| 13:46.57 | shanka | Gnutoo: I've added a new u-boot entry |
| 13:46.58 | rwhitby | nor an offer to provide such source code |
| 13:47.05 | johngay | don't listen to the GPL troll. |
| 13:47.14 | Gnutoo | shanka, ah you've also get some problem with FDOM...for me tar exits with errors... |
| 13:47.17 | shanka | rwhitby: ohh, I see, that's what the battle is about... |
| 13:47.31 | Gnutoo | /ignore GPL troll? |
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| 13:47.54 | rwhitby | hasn't been called a GPL troll in a long time :-) |
| 13:48.12 | johngay | Funny, you should be used ot it by now. |
| 13:48.14 | Gnutoo | rwhitby, FDOM does not have a repo where there are the sources? |
| 13:48.22 | rwhitby | Gnutoo: nope |
| 13:48.35 | Gnutoo | ouch...even a repo with bb files? |
| 13:48.38 | rwhitby | fso and shr do, but fdom doesn't |
| 13:48.51 | johngay | So, go tell them, not us. |
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| 13:49.49 | gregdude | hi, does someone know here using AT messages manually with 2008.9? |
| 13:49.56 | mickey|bbiab | (fso on treo) i don't see any reason why it shouldn't work provided you have linux 2.6 support. Is the GSM accessible from linux via AT? |
| 13:49.58 | haakeyar | ieatlint: I'm missing libecore_config.so.0, but the evas/ecore packages appear to be installed |
| 13:50.11 | rwhitby | johngay: is it just the channel noise which is bothering you, or is there something in my line of reasoning which is not factual? |
| 13:50.12 | haakeyar | ieatlint: (newly flashed om 2008.9) |
| 13:50.41 | johngay | It's the fact you're flooding a support channel with your rant. |
| 13:51.00 | rwhitby | mickey|bbiab: I've seen some blog postings about being able to access GSM via AT on the Treo |
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| 13:51.04 | raster | johngay: actually this is not a "support channel" |
| 13:51.09 | raster | its a general discussion channel |
| 13:51.10 | mickey|bbiab | rwhitby: cool, that would be a good start |
| 13:51.24 | raster | support and or any discussion that may relate to OM |
| 13:51.30 | Gnutoo | if I've uploaded wesnoth and provided the bb files but not wesnoth sources...and the bb file are linking to the source... is it ok? because the source is in a better repo than the one where the binary is(the binary has some limits because it's hosted on rapidshare...) |
| 13:51.37 | rwhitby | mickey|bbiab: let me see what I can dig up. zedstar is going to send me an old Treo650 that I can use to develop on |
| 13:51.44 | mickey|bbiab | cool! |
| 13:51.52 | johngay | But there are much better channels to discuss GPL compliance issues. |
| 13:52.22 | rwhitby | Gnutoo: best would be to get the bb files into OE ( mickey|bbiab or I can help with that), and let the official autobuilders build them - then the sources are always alongside the binaries |
| 13:52.27 | raster | mickey|bbiab: q. if u change my local.conf to change machines... is there any better way to ensure a clean build than rm/mv'ing my build/ dir |
| 13:52.31 | raster | so i dont get arch problems? |
| 13:52.42 | shanka | just found this http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td780706 |
| 13:52.42 | shanka | seems like someone else too is getting Kernel Panics |
| 13:52.48 | raster | (just was wondering if i'm missing some oe magic to build multiple architectures/targets form the same build) |
| 13:52.50 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Ah, I the fso feed has a package called libecore-config, but it ist missing in om 2008.9 feed. I'll try to install that package. |
| 13:53.02 | Gnutoo | rwhitby, ok I want my bb file for wesnoth in oe...beacuse the bb file of wesnoth in oe is broken... |
| 13:53.04 | ieatlint | just got back |
| 13:53.10 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm using fso |
| 13:53.31 | ieatlint | i had to install the libecore-config package... |
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| 13:54.07 | Zoup | how to upgrade uboot ? i did upgrade when i was in NAND , date of NAND did not changed , but NOR shows right date , any idea ? |
| 13:54.09 | rwhitby | Gnutoo: I would suggest doing a bugzilla entry on OE for wesnoth, and mail the ticket number to openmoko devel list to see if anyone OE person on openmoko has the inclination to commit it |
| 13:54.41 | rwhitby | raster: I build om-gta01 and om-gta02 in the same dir |
| 13:54.50 | rwhitby | the openmoko distro is set up for multi-machine |
| 13:55.09 | shanka | I've tried with init = /sbin/init but then I get an error: |
| 13:55.09 | shanka | Faild to execute /sbit/init. Attempting defaults... |
| 13:55.17 | shanka | Kernel Panic - not synciing... |
| 13:55.32 | raster | rwhitby: i was more thinking fo building n800 vs c760 vs gta02 |
| 13:55.35 | Gnutoo | ok i'll update my bug... |
| 13:55.47 | Gnutoo | but i'll do it after doing sport...i must go |
| 13:56.18 | rwhitby | raster: hmm - if they all use the same toolchain versions it should work, but other than that I would recommend sibling build dirs and just share the sources dir |
| 13:56.40 | rwhitby | raster: the nslu2-linux Makefile has good examples of how to do that |
| 13:57.25 | raster | rwhitby: i was going to go the sibling build dirs |
| 13:57.28 | rwhitby | wonders if his signal/noise ratio is low enough for johngay now :-) |
| 13:57.45 | raster | but i did find illegal inst's when going from c760/gta02 in the same build dir |
| 13:57.55 | raster | whihc kind fo lenghtened my build :( |
| 13:58.11 | rwhitby | raster: yeah, I think some of the arm machs use different compiler flags |
| 13:58.18 | raster | indeed they do |
| 13:58.21 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Nice :) But when I tilt the phone downwards, the snake goes upwards and when I tilt it upwards, the snake goes downwards. Tilting to the sides works as expected. |
| 13:58.28 | rwhitby | but still call themselves armv4t |
| 13:58.58 | haakeyar | ieatlint: Is it supposed to be like that? Was quite confusing. |
| 13:59.23 | ieatlint | tilting it "down" is relative :P |
| 13:59.37 | Gnutoo | bye |
| 14:00.06 | ieatlint | haakeyar, redownload, i just inverted the axis for Y |
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| 14:00.51 | yabo | qtopia is so unstable.. i never know whether or not ill be able to register with my gsm-network |
| 14:01.22 | haakeyar | ieatlint: :P Ok, will do. :) |
| 14:01.33 | rwhitby | ieatlint: so what reason would you have not to upload just the source code of your patches (i.e. not unmodified upstream stuff) for your snake game alongside the binary? |
| 14:01.44 | raster | yeah |
| 14:01.47 | rwhitby | (just curious, not accusing you or threatening you or anything) |
| 14:01.48 | raster | they're evil |
| 14:02.02 | mickey|bbiab | raster: yeah, like rwhitby says, these days w/ multimachine support it should all just work (tm) |
| 14:02.14 | raster | just just hopign there wasnyt a magic Oe thnig i missed that would within the same build dir magically spearate different arch builds/flags builds |
| 14:02.16 | ieatlint | rwhitby, there are no modified upstream stuff |
| 14:02.28 | raster | mickey|bbiab: hmm - didnt a few weeks back |
| 14:02.29 | rwhitby | ieatlint: ah, so it's a closed source app? |
| 14:02.35 | raster | but its likely the compiler flags |
| 14:02.39 | ieatlint | and my reason for not uploading the source of the snake game is because i hate OSS and am trying to get an arm version of the old windows ce on my phone |
| 14:02.57 | rwhitby | excellent. as long as we know up front the license conditions of your app ;-) |
| 14:03.11 | ieatlint | right now the app has no specific licence |
| 14:03.26 | ieatlint | i plan on playing with the source wth a friend and releasing it thereafter |
| 14:03.29 | lindi- | what, proprietary software developers here? ;) |
| 14:03.48 | ieatlint | and if you've a problem with it, i'll take down the binary :P |
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| 14:04.08 | rwhitby | ieatlint: seriously, I want to understand the "I'm not happy to share my source just yet" idea - are people afraid that others are going to criticise it or something? |
| 14:04.29 | ieatlint | rwhitby, not exactly |
| 14:04.45 | ieatlint | more like "it's badly written because was lazy and hacked an existing app i wrote to make it a snake game" |
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| 14:05.03 | rwhitby | ieatlint: I have no problem with it, just curious, as I see a lot of people putting binaries up before source code and I'm wondering why. In the old FOSS days, you always put up source first so others could compile it. These days it's always youtube video first, then binary, then source. |
| 14:05.05 | ieatlint | and i wouldn't want someone using such a poorly written app as reference when i plan to fix such issues in the next 12 hours |
| 14:05.23 | lindi- | ieatlint: i wouldn't run any proprietary stuff on my phone for the security issues alone :) |
| 14:05.40 | ieatlint | lindi-, hehe, that's not a bad idea |
| 14:06.22 | rwhitby | training openmoko users to install binaries without source is going to kill openmoko as soon as the first trojan gets created |
| 14:06.32 | ieatlint | anyway, i used an app as a base for it that i simply hacked -- an app i wrote and for which the source is released |
| 14:07.06 | rwhitby | ieatlint: as a developer, I would always prefer hacked source rather than no source. |
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| 14:07.07 | spydon | have anyone gotten the AccelGame to work on Om2008.8? |
| 14:07.16 | gregdude | works for me |
| 14:07.25 | spydon | how did you do it? |
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| 14:07.30 | ieatlint | rwhitby, fine... give me a min |
| 14:07.47 | rwhitby | ieatlint: don't feel compelled, I was just interested in the reasoning |
| 14:08.03 | rwhitby | (since it seems to be a societal trend) |
| 14:08.05 | ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/snake.c and snake.h |
| 14:08.31 | gregdude | it works out of the box, made a .desktop for it, and now don't even have to ssh in... why, what's not working for you? which version? |
| 14:09.16 | spydon | it says "NameError: name 'init' is not defined" |
| 14:09.23 | rwhitby | ieatlint: thx - that in itself is interesting to me, since it's such a short piece of code for good functionality, which then gives me some information about evas (which I've never used) |
| 14:09.41 | gregdude | oh, yeah, that's a python problem |
| 14:10.06 | spydon | hmm but how come I get the problem and you dont? :P |
| 14:10.13 | rwhitby | ieatlint: now, the next thing is to put it in a public repo, and allow others to enhance it ;-) |
| 14:10.32 | ieatlint | rwhitby, i want to enhance it first :) |
| 14:10.41 | ieatlint | but yeah, i will... |
| 14:10.51 | ieatlint | later today ... |
| 14:10.56 | gregdude | because I'm lame - i did modify that file in python to run it, just forgot about it.... |
| 14:11.01 | ieatlint | and my use of evas is half assed :) |
| 14:11.09 | ieatlint | raster can undoubtedly attest to that |
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| 14:11.45 | raster | rwhitby: evas (and edje) are great for little 2d game stuff |
| 14:11.50 | raster | or ui stuff |
| 14:11.59 | raster | where u want to basically fiddle with objects in 2d |
| 14:11.59 | kW | Hello, is it possible to Update to Om2008.9 without flashing a new root image? |
| 14:12.02 | raster | the rest u dont care about |
| 14:12.10 | raster | u just want your snake to go from a to b |
| 14:12.12 | raster | at time x |
| 14:12.15 | gregdude | spydon: go to the file it refers to, and add an underscore in front of init where it complains |
| 14:12.15 | raster | or when a user clicks |
| 14:12.24 | raster | most of the "c code" is glue code |
| 14:12.26 | raster | and tis simple |
| 14:12.29 | ieatlint | raster, actually it's a linked list of rectangles |
| 14:12.42 | raster | ieatlint: sample principle - just loop over them :) |
| 14:12.42 | spydon | gregdude, okay, is that all I have to do? :P |
| 14:12.45 | ieatlint | the snake doesn't "move", it just takes the rectangle at its tale and moves it to its front :) |
| 14:12.52 | gregdude | spydon: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py and line 82, i think... |
| 14:12.59 | raster | ieatlint: over time i'll start adding more complictaed pre-canned stuff |
| 14:13.03 | raster | probnably via edje |
| 14:13.06 | raster | like physics engines |
| 14:13.06 | spydon | gregdude, thx for your help :) |
| 14:13.13 | raster | eg u can string objects together |
| 14:13.14 | ieatlint | now hat would be nice |
| 14:13.17 | mwester | ieatlint: an interesting metaphor for life in general... |
| 14:13.21 | ieatlint | my collision detection is half assed |
| 14:13.23 | raster | say "these objects are linked with elacticity of X" |
| 14:13.25 | raster | for example |
| 14:13.28 | raster | move any 1 of them |
| 14:13.31 | yabo | really, are there any tweaks i can use to help my qtopia-fr get better at registering with my gsm-network and stay registered? |
| 14:13.38 | gregdude | spydon: yeah, and that makes all other python stuff work too (i wonder why they don't fix it in the official source?) |
| 14:13.43 | raster | the other swill do whatever the properties(and physics engine) thinks they should |
| 14:13.59 | raster | in svgn there is e_phys |
| 14:13.59 | lindi- | i wrote a tiny program to log the battery energy percentage every 60 seconds: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/logger/log.png |
| 14:14.04 | Zoup | how to upgrade uboot ? i did upgrade when i was in NAND , date of NAND did not changed , but NOR shows right date , any idea ? |
| 14:14.05 | raster | whihc is a start at a physic engine |
| 14:14.17 | spydon | gregdude, awesome |
| 14:14.29 | lindi- | trying to figure out what happens when the phone sometimes manages to empty the battery |
| 14:15.00 | gregdude | spydon: hope it will work out, don't think i did anything else... |
| 14:15.00 | rwhitby | mwester: you interested in fso on treo650? |
| 14:15.18 | mwester | Zoup: dfu-util to the uboot partition, just like any other -- then reset the phone to load the new u-boot. |
| 14:15.42 | rwhitby | mickey|bbiab: http://www.grack.com/blog/articles/2005/12/13/treo-650-boots-linux is the link for treo650 gsm access via AT |
| 14:15.44 | mwester | rwhitby: Perhaps, but I can't live without my Treo... |
| 14:15.58 | rwhitby | mwester: zedstar has an old one he's going to send me :-) |
| 14:16.03 | mwester | GSM? |
| 14:16.05 | raster | rwhitby: how is OE/Om on the treo? |
| 14:16.14 | rwhitby | mwester: oh, good point. |
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| 14:16.20 | rwhitby | zedstar: is that Treo650 GSM? |
| 14:16.30 | rwhitby | mwester: he's UK, so probably |
| 14:16.31 | zedstar | rwhitby yeh is GSM |
| 14:16.35 | rwhitby | sweet. |
| 14:16.53 | rwhitby | mwester: don't tell me your treo is cdma ... |
| 14:17.33 | rwhitby | raster: dunno, since I depend on the treo so much I haven't tried to hack it |
| 14:17.39 | Zoup | mwester: well , it does not load new uboot , thats why im asking |
| 14:17.41 | mwester | Nope, not any more. But some years ago I had a company-provided one that was via Sprint. It had a whole different set of quirks than the "real" 650. |
| 14:17.41 | raster | rwhitby: fair enough |
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| 14:17.47 | Zoup | mwester: when i reboot , its still the Old uboot |
| 14:17.57 | rwhitby | raster: but those days are about to change :-) |
| 14:17.58 | raster | rwhitby: just been wondering about an alternative platform to my fr for building fso for and testing |
| 14:18.07 | raster | ie different gfx, cpu's etc. etc. |
| 14:18.09 | mwester | Zoup: Are you booting to NAND or NOR flash? |
| 14:18.29 | raster | as such i have to say my zurus c860 beats the fr in all departments where they have the same hw |
| 14:18.33 | rwhitby | raster: I believe that people have angstrom and gpe running on the treo |
| 14:18.41 | raster | (ie screen, gfx, cpu) |
| 14:18.45 | raster | has /12 the ram |
| 14:18.49 | raster | but doesnt much matter |
| 14:18.57 | raster | runing |
| 14:19.02 | raster | but... runnign well enough? |
| 14:19.03 | Zoup | mwester: NOR |
| 14:19.11 | rwhitby | raster: http://mytreo.net/uncategorized/linux-treo-available-now/ |
| 14:19.20 | malik1972 | raster: hi, is it difficult to port your keyboard to trolltechs qtopia? |
| 14:19.27 | mwester | Zoup: try NAND |
| 14:19.36 | raster | malik1972: ummmm... why would you? |
| 14:20.02 | malik1972 | raster: i like it |
| 14:20.02 | Zoup | mwester: already tried , it does change Uboot of NAND , but not the NOR |
| 14:20.05 | mwester | Zoup: the wiki is flat-out WRONG; all dfu-util activities can be done from NAND, and you should only ever use NOR whan you've totally trashed NAND. |
| 14:20.13 | rwhitby | raster: and http://old.hackndev.com/node/706?from=20&comments_per_page=10 |
| 14:20.15 | raster | malik1972: well it'd be a lot of work |
| 14:20.16 | mwester | Zoup: Ah. yes, you cannot change NOR |
| 14:20.24 | raster | malik1972: not sure it's worth it |
| 14:20.31 | mwester | Zoup: That requires the GTA02 version of the debug board, and should never be necessary. |
| 14:20.38 | malik1972 | raster: the macthbox one is really to tiny |
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| 14:20.48 | Zoup | mwester: well , how can i upgrade uboot then ? |
| 14:20.48 | malik1972 | raster: okay, will wait for 4.4 |
| 14:20.54 | raster | using matchbox ON qtopia? |
| 14:21.12 | mwester | Zoup: You upgrade the NAND u-boot only; that's the only one that should be used, so it doesn't matter what's in NOR. |
| 14:21.17 | malik1972 | raster: someone ported the matchbox keyboard to qtopia |
| 14:21.24 | raster | eek |
| 14:21.55 | raster | rwhitby: looks like it boots... and gui wtuff runs |
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| 14:22.09 | raster | rwhitby: might be worth picking up an old treo650 to play with |
| 14:22.13 | f00ji30 | Is there a way to use OpenMoko 2008.8 on Neo 1973? |
| 14:22.13 | Zoup | mwester: when i turn on the device normally , does it use NOR or NAND uboot ? |
| 14:22.24 | malik1972 | raster: do you make progress with your new desktop concept, widgets? |
| 14:22.31 | mwester | Zoup: NAND |
| 14:23.02 | lindi- | i have probably asked already but is there a way to read NOR without debug board? |
| 14:23.07 | Zoup | mwester: so , i did all the things right :) |
| 14:23.09 | raster | malk no - i have contracts to fulfil right now :) |
| 14:23.22 | rwhitby | f00ji30: all openmoko images for om2008.x have been gta02 only |
| 14:23.29 | mwester | Zoup: yes. The wiki page is misleading, i think |
| 14:23.30 | rwhitby | fso, however, runs nicely on the gta01 |
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| 14:23.39 | mwester | So does Qtopia |
| 14:23.49 | rwhitby | I haven't tried an org.openmoko.asu.stable build for gta01 lately ... |
| 14:24.02 | mwester | Dunno that's it's worth it. |
| 14:24.03 | f00ji30 | Thanks |
| 14:24.08 | rwhitby | mwester: yeah, I think lpotter only has gta01 too |
| 14:24.17 | rwhitby | (like me) |
| 14:24.28 | mwester | gives himself 3 demerits for that last comment he made, but he couldn't resist. |
| 14:24.28 | Zoup | mwester: indeed |
| 14:24.51 | rwhitby | mwester: were you referring to qtopia or asu/gta01 ? |
| 14:25.00 | mwester | ASU |
| 14:25.21 | rwhitby | how's qtopia been treating you during your OM image boycott? |
| 14:25.38 | mwester | I've fallen in love with Qtopia on the GTA01, to be honest. |
| 14:25.51 | leinir | mwester likes Qtopia, as it uses his kernel ;) |
| 14:26.15 | rwhitby | mwester: FYI, SD card and GPS don't mix on GTA01, just like on GTA02. Took me two days of banging head against wall before I realised that I should have known that ... |
| 14:26.33 | mwester | It's on my list of things to do with the GTA01 kernel. |
| 14:26.56 | rwhitby | oh, sweet - you're going to port the sd card patches to the gta01 kernel? |
| 14:27.18 | mwester | They have to be re-written, it looks like -- totally different drivers involved. |
| 14:28.07 | mwester | But there isnt' enough flash in the GTA01 to make it "fun"; need the sd card. |
| 14:28.26 | rwhitby | 's interest level in openmoko goes back up a notch, since mwester is going to fix GPS/SD card on GTA01 :-) |
| 14:28.43 | mwester | amends that to add "intends" |
| 14:28.56 | rwhitby | chose his words carefully |
| 14:29.07 | mwester | suffers from insufficent number of hours in the day. |
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| 14:29.32 | rwhitby | mwester: did you get a gta02 yet? |
| 14:29.36 | mwester | Yep. |
| 14:29.46 | rwhitby | hmm - conflict of interest ... |
| 14:29.49 | mwester | :) |
| 14:30.09 | rwhitby | is it a stable working one ;-) |
| 14:30.16 | leinir | mwester: You should drink Cult, apparently it gives you 25 hours in the day ;) |
| 14:30.21 | mwester | Yeah, I'm drowning in GTA hardware rigtht now . |
| 14:30.47 | mwester | Yes, the GTA02 is a stable one -- early production, but a production unit. |
| 14:31.18 | rwhitby | not afflicted by glamo wait? |
| 14:31.45 | mwester | isn't sure |
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| 14:32.25 | mwester | :) It boots consistently from NOR and NAND -- I think your's won't do that |
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| 14:32.42 | rwhitby | nope, my gta02 has been dead for almost a month now |
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| 14:33.17 | Infoport | rwhitby, how did you kill your Freerunner? |
| 14:33.27 | rwhitby | Infoport: I didn't kill the gta02 |
| 14:33.44 | rwhitby | it has terminal glamo wait issues I believe |
| 14:34.06 | Infoport | rwhitby, sorry...I should have said "how did it die" |
| 14:34.11 | rwhitby | I haven't had time to get it back onto the operating table to put the cro on the signals under the can again |
| 14:34.37 | rwhitby | Infoport: I *have* killed GTA01's before, but not this GTA02. |
| 14:35.01 | Infoport | my FR no longer likes to get GPS using the internal antenna |
| 14:35.56 | Infoport | well, in OM APGS UI it gets a signal once I have signal using external antenna |
| 14:37.06 | rwhitby | hmm, speaking for GPS signals, my gta01 zhone ogpsd bar graph display has frozen ... |
| 14:37.29 | Infoport | does anybody have SHR compiled and running on their FR? my compile quits almost at the end |
| 14:38.43 | rwhitby | Infoport: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/neo1973/ has images, and it looks like the autobuilder is running ok at http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builders/shr.bearstech.com/ |
| 14:39.12 | rwhitby | (haven't run any shr stuff myself, just look after the autobuilder) |
| 14:39.57 | Infoport | rwhitby thanks! I havent checked all the pages in the last week. I hate getting all the minor updates in the wiki "Recent changes" since so many small things get updated |
| 14:41.51 | Infoport | I am really thinking I should work on my Master's/PhD in CompSci, so I should really learn to develop simple apps for the newer platforms |
| 14:42.52 | Infoport | a Bachelor's degree just isn't enough these days, and my programming in formal languages has gotten rusty |
| 14:44.05 | TAsn | in order to run tango on my fso what should i do? |
| 14:44.12 | TAsn | just run tango? or it there anything more |
| 14:44.14 | TAsn | ? |
| 14:44.24 | TAsn | cuz "just" running tango won't work. |
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| 14:45.57 | lindi- | TAsn: how does it fail? |
| 14:46.05 | TAsn | doesn't fail |
| 14:46.12 | TAsn | it just doesn't find my position |
| 14:46.28 | TAsn | though cat /dev/ttySCA1 works |
| 14:46.28 | Infoport | is there a way to unzip the root image from my PC to the FR, without copying the tar.gz file over first? |
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| 14:46.47 | TAsn | Infoport, yeah. |
| 14:46.49 | TAsn | unzip it |
| 14:46.57 | TAsn | and scp * moko:/ |
| 14:47.10 | TAsn | and scp * moko:/card |
| 14:47.12 | TAsn | ;] |
| 14:47.22 | Infoport | is there a way to tie unzip to scp directly? |
| 14:47.33 | TAsn | not that i know of. |
| 14:47.40 | TAsn | why do you want to do that anyway? |
| 14:47.54 | lindi- | TAsn: fso-gpsd? |
| 14:48.04 | Infoport | TAsn when you unzip to the host, you don't have issues with creating devices? or do you just do it as root? |
| 14:48.11 | TAsn | lindi-, what should i do? |
| 14:48.16 | lindi- | TAsn: scp does not handle permissions properly? |
| 14:48.22 | TAsn | Infoport, oh, im not sure about that. |
| 14:48.24 | lindi- | TAsn: run fso-gpsd |
| 14:48.40 | TAsn | lindi-, via terminal? cool sec i will try |
| 14:48.46 | lindi- | Infoport: just 1) netcat -lp1234 < a.tar.gz |
| 14:48.59 | lindi- | Infoport: 2) nc 192.168.0.200 1234 | tar xf - |
| 14:49.13 | TAsn | lindi-, i don't have it. |
| 14:49.13 | TAsn | ;\ |
| 14:49.21 | lindi- | TAsn: what distro? |
| 14:49.25 | TAsn | fso |
| 14:49.33 | TAsn | 3 |
| 14:49.39 | Infoport | lindi- I will try it that way, thanks! |
| 14:49.45 | lindi- | TAsn: can you check opkg there then? |
| 14:50.04 | rwhitby | TAsn: tango is installed by default on fso-testing images |
| 14:50.13 | TAsn | rwhitby, i know |
| 14:50.17 | TAsn | though it's not working. |
| 14:50.49 | rwhitby | it's got the tangogps-fso package installed, not the upstream tangogps package? |
| 14:51.05 | TAsn | i know. |
| 14:51.14 | TAsn | it's that one which is installed |
| 14:51.24 | Infoport | lindi- to specify partitions on the card, is the argument like scp, i.e. 192.168.0.200:/media/mmcblk0p2/ ? |
| 14:51.41 | lindi- | Infoport: no |
| 14:51.43 | rwhitby | TAsn: and you've tried to get a first fix outside with no building around and holding the device perfectly still for 5 minutes? |
| 14:51.52 | TAsn | rwhitby, i got a fix |
| 14:51.57 | TAsn | cat /dev/ttySCA1 |
| 14:52.02 | TAsn | showed that i do have one |
| 14:52.15 | lindi- | Infoport: arguments to what? ;) |
| 14:52.18 | TAsn | though on tango it didn't even get the time |
| 14:52.36 | rwhitby | TAsn: does your /etc/framework.conf have ogpsd stuff in it? |
| 14:53.04 | lindi- | TAsn: fso repos don't really have fso-gpsd? |
| 14:53.19 | Infoport | lindi- running that command "nc ...." since I am trying to unzip/untar over to 2nd partition on SD |
| 14:53.21 | TAsn | rwhitby, yeah. |
| 14:53.30 | TAsn | lindi-, no, they have updated tango instead. |
| 14:53.35 | lindi- | Infoport: netcat doesn't understand anything about files or directories |
| 14:53.37 | TAsn | [ogpsd] |
| 14:53.37 | TAsn | device = GTA02Device |
| 14:53.37 | TAsn | channel = SerialChannel |
| 14:53.37 | TAsn | path = /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:54.11 | TAsn | anyhow, im in a hurry gtg |
| 14:54.13 | lindi- | TAsn: ah so you have patched tango? |
| 14:54.20 | TAsn | if anyone has any resolutions please inform me |
| 14:54.28 | TAsn | lindi-, yeah, the one that came with fso. |
| 14:54.30 | TAsn | cya. |
| 14:55.20 | lindi- | TAsn: how long would it take for you to find the patch? |
| 14:55.24 | rwhitby | lindi-: fso repos have both fso-gpsd and tangogps-fso |
| 14:55.43 | lindi- | TAsn: seems you were wrong :P |
| 14:55.44 | rwhitby | lindi-: the patch is in OE |
| 14:56.28 | rwhitby | lindi-: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree;f=packages/tangogps/files;h=e38db3eed01ad007b698a254ddd9dcffddaca8cf;hb=HEAD |
| 14:57.26 | rwhitby | tangogps-fso is patched to use either gpsd or gypsy/dbus, and fso-gpsd separately provides gpsd compatibility for apps that have not been patched for dbus/gypsy |
| 14:58.17 | Infoport | lindi- so is the netcat/nc method only good for copying to the internal memory and not SD partitions? |
| 14:58.46 | snp | hmm how do I wake my display again without restarting X? (2008.9) |
| 14:59.10 | snp | I'm logged in through ssh.. |
| 14:59.55 | rwhitby | Infoport: netcat is to get the file onto the device, from there you can untar it whereever you want |
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| 15:00.31 | Infoport | snp in 2008.8 it seemed to me that if I couldnt wake with taps, then a single press on power woke it |
| 15:01.29 | Infoport | rwhitby I am trying to find the best way to get the files over without having to first copy the tar'ed/zipped file (save wear on the memory) |
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| 15:01.51 | rwhitby | I wouldn't worry about flash wear |
| 15:02.15 | rwhitby | the netcat is good for doing it without having to wait for the copy to finish before starting the untar |
| 15:02.38 | Infoport | hmm...maybe I should just mount the jffs2 file, and then scp them over? |
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| 15:03.42 | spydon | hmm where are the menu objects located? :P |
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| 15:04.10 | Infoport | spydon what distro? in 2008.8 they are in /usr/share/applications |
| 15:04.17 | spydon | Infoport, thx |
| 15:05.17 | lindi- | Infoport: no, netcatn can do anything |
| 15:05.59 | lindi- | Infoport: scp would do unnecessary encryption and would not transmit the compressed tarball |
| 15:06.22 | gregdude | spydon: and the images of the menu objects are in /usr/share/pixmaps (that's the Icon variable in the .desktop file) |
| 15:06.52 | spydon | gregdude, ah ok, thx |
| 15:07.45 | gregdude | spydon, that looks better already, isn't it ;) |
| 15:08.07 | spydon | yeah ^^ |
| 15:09.23 | snp | Infoport: doesn't help here |
| 15:10.07 | snp | see if a restart helps |
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| 15:10.43 | Infoport | snp the .desktop files are not in /usr/share/applications? you must have a diff distro (oh yeah, you *do* have to restart X to see it) |
| 15:11.10 | snp | Infoport: they are, it worked on my first boot and then the screen just en't blank |
| 15:11.57 | Infoport | snp if you havent disabled suspend, you probably want to do so (it has issues) |
| 15:12.12 | snp | Infoport: I did before the screen went blank. |
| 15:12.38 | snp | is there any logs?(there nothing to see in var log |
| 15:12.46 | Infoport | snp hmm...don't know, there must be another issue |
| 15:14.25 | bove | how do I patch the kernel for SDHC suspend workournd http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=ca19d156400f817960efe0d14680324b2ea34171 |
| 15:14.25 | Infoport | snp there is dmesg (or dmesg |more, or grep for some text if you know/think you know what causes it) |
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| 15:15.34 | snp | Infoport: already checked that of course.. |
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| 15:16.12 | snp | well I'll see if I can start the x manually without init and see if I can verify something |
| 15:16.21 | Infoport | snp sorry, just brainstorming places I can think of for logs |
| 15:16.45 | snp | Infoport: well thanks for the hint anyway, could''ve missed something.. |
| 15:16.57 | lindi- | rwhitby: thanks |
| 15:18.03 | Infoport | lindi- would I need to do the nc....tar xf - as root? and wouldnt it need to be tar xfzp - ? still not sure how I tell it to go onto the mmcblk0p2 partition that way |
| 15:18.41 | lindi- | Infoport: sure you need z if you want to decompress too. i think "p" is default in gnu tar already when run as root? |
| 15:18.48 | lindi- | Infoport: you cd to the right directory |
| 15:19.17 | rwhitby | you need to be root for /dev entries at least |
| 15:19.20 | Infoport | lindi- the tar option -C would only be the host (I think) so not sure how to get it copying the uncompressed output to the right place |
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| 15:20.47 | lindi- | Infoport: the host? |
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| 15:21.26 | lindi- | Infoport: what part is the unclear part here? ;) |
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| 15:22.27 | Infoport | lindi- if I do "nc 192.168.0.200 1234 | tar xfzp -C /media/mmcblk0p2/ -" I think it would look for /media/mmcblk0p2 on the host and not the target |
| 15:22.45 | lindi- | Infoport: "-f" wants filename as argument |
| 15:23.09 | lindi- | Infoport: you run the command on your target, not on your host |
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| 15:25.05 | Infoport | lindi- AHHH! I get it now! so if I am in mmcblk0p2 when I run the command, it all works fine |
| 15:25.15 | Infoport | when I run the 2nd command |
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| 15:25.34 | lindi- | Infoport: run 1) on host and 2) on target |
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| 15:29.09 | ieatlint | what api controls things like disabling the screen dimm on illume/fso? |
| 15:31.22 | Infoport | lindi- thanks. It is pausing and hopefully transferring...I'll see after a bit how well it worked |
| 15:31.50 | snp | ieatlint: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Display.html;hb=HEAD ? |
| 15:32.09 | ieatlint | excellent, thanks |
| 15:32.12 | snp | ieatlint: you can at least set backlight power on or not so I guess it's that |
| 15:32.48 | snp | will the GTA03 have the same screen as GTA02? |
| 15:33.02 | snp | doesn't say in the wiki doc |
| 15:33.05 | SpeedEvil | snp: as I understand it, that is undecided - possibly not. |
| 15:33.21 | snp | SpeedEvil: ok.. Well I want a bigger one :) |
| 15:33.26 | SpeedEvil | snp: raster IIRC was fond of a smaller resolution physically larger one. |
| 15:33.37 | snp | I think that typing with fingers on that size is hard to really make a good keyboard for |
| 15:33.37 | SpeedEvil | With a widescreen aspect ratio |
| 15:34.14 | snp | ah k |
| 15:34.17 | snp | thanks |
| 15:34.27 | ieatlint | having spent 3 days at linuxworld talking about the gta02, i can tell you the one of the top 3 draws was the vga res... i personally would highly advise against taking that away |
| 15:35.04 | snp | well isn't there a high buzz about htc's new "high resolution" display? |
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| 15:35.58 | haakeyar | Hm... I flashed om 2008.9 today. It uses the om 2008.8 feeds, which is missing many packages. Is it a bad idea to add the testing feed to have access to more packages? |
| 15:36.02 | snp | but of course, high resolution displays should take more power I guess |
| 15:37.02 | Infoport | haakeyar probably depends on whether you are bothered by something breaking and doing a re-flash |
| 15:37.56 | ieatlint | snp, everything's a trade-off |
| 15:38.12 | snp | ieatlint: yeah.. |
| 15:38.26 | ieatlint | there's a list of things i'd love for it to have, many of which are likely unviable |
| 15:38.43 | Infoport | does BatMon work ok for people on 2008.8, or on SHR? |
| 15:39.06 | yabo | what resolution should i make openmoko background-pictures in? |
| 15:39.25 | ieatlint | Infoport, it pulls its info from /sys, so it should work on any distro... as long as the kernel is still putting the same info in the same place |
| 15:39.26 | snp | I mainly want three things, good PIM, bigger display, good battery :) |
| 15:39.55 | ieatlint | i wouldn't mind a gyroscope to replace the accelerometers |
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| 15:40.18 | Infoport | yabo I think it resizes, but the FR only has 640x480, so you might as well size them as best of possible to fit there |
| 15:40.19 | ieatlint | there's a bunch of things that could be added that would be awesome methinks |
| 15:40.26 | yabo | ok thanks Infoport |
| 15:41.17 | Infoport | yabo, oops -- 480x640, not the other way |
| 15:41.37 | viq | Infoport: depends which way you put the phone on the table ;) |
| 15:42.08 | Infoport | yabo and I could bge wrong about resizing-- the picture viewer does, but not sure about background. still might as well resize first |
| 15:43.37 | Infoport | ieatlint, I think a good mod would be pluggable hardware, like the open Bug featued a few months ago in LinuxJournal |
| 15:43.43 | snp | lol, I placed the moko in my window in order to get a satellite fix. Then I look 10min after and the average speed is 12.5km/h |
| 15:44.38 | ieatlint | Infoport, price becomes the issue, i think |
| 15:44.50 | ieatlint | that and available gpio and bus bandwidth |
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| 15:45.10 | lindi- | my only hardware wish is bit wider display and qwerty keyboard :) |
| 15:45.12 | Infoport | ieatlint if they had pluggable ports, ppl could add hardware from the BUG project as desired |
| 15:45.38 | Infoport | lindi- I second that! a physical keyboard would be great! |
| 15:45.39 | lindi- | Infoport: it might not fit to your pocket after that :P |
| 15:45.51 | ieatlint | yeah, that'd change the entire phone concept |
| 15:46.05 | ieatlint | how about an rfid reader? :P |
| 15:46.07 | mwester | envisions the latest Linux hacker's phone: The "Linux Suitcase Phone" |
| 15:46.16 | ieatlint | would be a lot of fun, could walk around and read people's passports |
| 15:46.17 | lindi- | ieatlint: just use usb |
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| 15:46.48 | ieatlint | i need a smaller rfid reader then... my present one is about the size of the phone itself since it's a SC reader too |
| 15:46.54 | Infoport | ieatlint if there were pluggable ports, you could add RFID reader, or anything as needed, and not other hardware you dont need |
| 15:47.09 | lindi- | Infoport: isn't usb a "pluggable port"? |
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| 15:47.19 | ieatlint | yeah, that's accomplished well enough with usb |
| 15:47.46 | Infoport | lindi- USB could work, although I had to go online to find an adapter usb A/F to usb miniB/M |
| 15:48.03 | lindi- | Infoport: that shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:48.09 | lindi- | Infoport: i built mine from an old motherboard |
| 15:48.30 | lindi- | Infoport: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/2-usb-receptables.jpg |
| 15:48.49 | ieatlint | OM should make a battery powered usb hub with a miniusb uplink |
| 15:48.59 | ieatlint | it'd sell... beyond the phone users even, perhaps |
| 15:49.21 | lindi- | ieatlint: i think dealextreme.com has those |
| 15:49.28 | lindi- | ieatlint: why battery powered? |
| 15:49.30 | Infoport | ieatlint I think a docking station would be nice...maybe that could take care of new hardware desires |
| 15:49.32 | ieatlint | they could even have it use the same battery as the phone, and allow you to both charge the phone from the usb hub, or usb it as a standalone battery charger |
| 15:49.46 | ieatlint | lindi-, they have AA ones... screw that |
| 15:49.57 | ieatlint | i'd rather build one |
| 15:50.04 | Infoport | I want to dock my FR into a "carputer" and have all the features+ in my car |
| 15:50.09 | ieatlint | and battery powered so i can use devices without draining the my phone at all |
| 15:50.20 | jomat_ | Hi. Does anybody know how to read SMS messages with the console on OM2007? Where are they saved? |
| 15:50.36 | ieatlint | jomat_, on the sim card |
| 15:50.45 | ieatlint | jomat_, look at libgsmtool |
| 15:50.45 | jomat_ | And the others? |
| 15:50.56 | ieatlint | others? |
| 15:51.10 | jomat_ | Yeah, i know, but I don't want to access the messages on the SIM card |
| 15:51.29 | jomat_ | the ones saved on the phone. |
| 15:51.41 | ieatlint | i'm not sure any distribution saves them on the phone ... i don't think any do |
| 15:52.03 | Infoport | in newer VWs, there is a phone button on the steering wheel. In the US it does nothing, and in Europe it has a built-in phone which "borrows" your info off your phone's SIM and then calls through the VWs phone and integrates with radio/Nav |
| 15:52.44 | ieatlint | there are a lot of cars in the US with that feature |
| 15:52.52 | ieatlint | it's called remote sim, done over bt |
| 15:53.17 | ieatlint | i think the concept has been discussed, not sure if anyone has actually acted on it |
| 15:53.48 | Infoport | ieatlint VW didnt use it here, b/c lots of phones are not compatible (not SIM based) |
| 15:54.17 | Infoport | OOPS! I am late for 12 o'clock lunch... later everyone! |
| 15:54.19 | ieatlint | perhaps cdma phones emulate it? i dunno |
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| 15:55.37 | ieatlint | oops, apparently it's more commonly known as "SIM Access Profile" ... "remote sim" is nokia's name for it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.29 |
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| 15:59.58 | ieatlint | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-September/004985.html is a thread about it, making it seem highly unlikely to ever come to the freerunner |
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| 16:00.09 | ieatlint | (or to the gta03, seemingly) |
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| 16:03.26 | mjr | yeah, probably not |
| 16:03.45 | mjr | otoh you can do that remote control of another phone, in theory at least |
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| 16:04.43 | ieatlint | not with SAP |
| 16:04.57 | ieatlint | since you wouldn't be able to feed the calypso sim info |
| 16:05.19 | ieatlint | .. unless that guy actuall gets TI to help them, then maybe |
| 16:05.46 | mjr | yes, I said that |
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| 16:06.09 | ieatlint | ah |
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| 16:11.01 | malik1972 | improving "audio quality" is not on the milestone of 2008.10, why? |
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| 16:16.28 | _sh|AJuOnLiNE | i tried to run Openmoko on qemu. i see only 4 icons. and nothing happens when I click them. moreover, "No Network" |
| 16:16.35 | _sh|AJuOnLiNE | i followed the wiki instructions for Ubuntu |
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| 16:18.05 | DrRabbit | guys |
| 16:18.08 | DrRabbit | it's software freedom day |
| 16:18.30 | AJuOnLiNE | yes. DrRabbit |
| 16:18.34 | AJuOnLiNE | Happy SFD :-) |
| 16:18.42 | ieatlint | you're surprised that you get "no network" when running qemu? |
| 16:18.57 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: no. |
| 16:18.58 | AJuOnLiNE | :P |
| 16:19.11 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: just that when i click thos 4 icons. nothing happens |
| 16:19.20 | ieatlint | :) |
| 16:19.24 | ieatlint | not sure what to suggest |
| 16:19.33 | ieatlint | i've not screwed with qemu |
| 16:19.57 | DrRabbit | :D |
| 16:20.08 | AJuOnLiNE | is there a way i can just boot up with the image using any of the virtual emulators? |
| 16:23.04 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: refering to the screenshot on the wiki page. it does show "network" |
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| 16:23.59 | ieatlint | the wiki is a maze of current, invalid and severely outdated info |
| 16:24.25 | faltantornillos | hi all. I just installed 2008.9 but it seems unable to change the default keyboard: I followed the instructions on the wiki to install the illume keyboard but either I get the default one or none at all. What can I do? pls |
| 16:24.44 | LionKMP | Hi! Q: can I play a video in 320x222 size? I transcoded a video as described in the Wiki and it's strange, like a pixel difference in lines (45 degree screen or so) |
| 16:25.02 | LionKMP | 2008.9 ?!?! wow |
| 16:25.43 | LionKMP | ehm, if "point release" it should be called 2008.8.1, isnt it? |
| 16:26.22 | ieatlint | it's following the month |
| 16:26.58 | LionKMP | ... people won't understand which documentation applies to what. |
| 16:27.01 | ieatlint | ie, 2008.8 is august, 2008.9 september and .10 will be october |
| 16:27.08 | ieatlint | just get worried if there's a 2008.13 |
| 16:27.13 | LionKMP | :D |
| 16:27.14 | dolf1074 | me to |
| 16:27.45 | LionKMP | do you know why it plays the video on 45 degrees? due to being 320x222 instead 320x240? |
| 16:27.51 | viq | "not quite ready to become 2009.01" ;) |
| 16:27.56 | ieatlint | LionKMP, i can tell you that you probably want to look into the mpeg4 hardware acceleration... there's an mplayer patch around |
| 16:28.06 | dolf1074 | therefor it should be better for rename om200*.* to omd (openmoko distribution) and call the point releases something like omd 2008.8 |
| 16:28.17 | ieatlint | LionKMP, do you mean 45 or 90? |
| 16:28.28 | LionKMP | 45, "scewed" |
| 16:28.51 | ieatlint | the video is playing at a 45 degree angle? that's ... bizarre |
| 16:29.16 | LionKMP | ehm, I can't explain. :D like if you skip a few pixels in every line, or add it to the previous. |
| 16:29.36 | LionKMP | exactly like if it was drawing the 320x222 on the 320x240 screen pixel by pixel. |
| 16:29.46 | LionKMP | I'll try to transcode to exact size. |
| 16:30.06 | ieatlint | hmmm, do you mean you see horizontal lines across the screen? |
| 16:30.17 | ieatlint | and the lines at times appear to be an image from the previous frame? |
| 16:30.50 | LionKMP | previous line,I think. The whole picture looks like /////// |
| 16:31.04 | ieatlint | could be some sort of interlacing artefact |
| 16:31.15 | ieatlint | you using mplayer? |
| 16:31.34 | LionKMP | wait, I try transcoding to 240 instead 222. Yes, mplayer, as explained on : |
| 16:31.50 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
| 16:31.54 | ieatlint | mplayer should pad black bars to make fullscreen |
| 16:32.12 | LionKMP | yes, that would be useful. :-( |
| 16:32.30 | LionKMP | VO: [xv] 222x320 => 222x320 Planar YV12 |
| 16:32.31 | LionKMP | ! |
| 16:33.47 | LionKMP | yes, now it's perfect. I recoded it to 240 |
| 16:34.02 | LionKMP | KEWL stuff. :) |
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| 16:34.33 | ieatlint | huh, it should've fixed it for you :P |
| 16:34.45 | LionKMP | what? |
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| 16:35.01 | ieatlint | it should pad the screen with black to fit the video |
| 16:35.17 | ieatlint | and a static black image shouldn't impact performance |
| 16:35.19 | LionKMP | ah, I see. |
| 16:35.39 | ieatlint | srugs |
| 16:35.43 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 16:36.10 | ieatlint | video on the FR is jenky methinks, an impractical endeavor unless the glamo chip is actually found to be truly useful |
| 16:37.22 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4658 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (25 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:37.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: initial python binding upload |
| 16:37.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: simply type "make" in the base folder to start compiling |
| 16:37.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: known issues: |
| 16:37.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: evas does not fully compile yet |
| 16:37.23 | CIA-22 | openmoko: makefiles are not ready for crosscompile environment (include dirs are hardcoded) |
| 16:37.27 | CIA-22 | openmoko: even if the binding compiles errors are to be expected |
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| 16:42.30 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03marek * r4659 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/Makefile: remove unnecessary test function that I forgot to clean up |
| 16:49.01 | bipak_ | does anybody got the qtopia-x11-bluetooth stuff running on om2008? |
| 16:49.16 | bipak_ | when i click on the icon it doesn't start.. |
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| 16:54.14 | Gnutoo | hello, what image that contain qtopia and the fix for the echo is avaliable? |
| 16:55.09 | lindi- | Gnutoo: was the fix just to send a few bytes to the GSM chip? |
| 16:55.44 | Gnutoo | lindi-, the fix was to send an AT command to the GSM |
| 16:55.53 | Gnutoo | before each call... |
| 16:56.12 | lindi- | Gnutoo: just grep for that command from the sources? |
| 16:56.21 | Gnutoo | lindi-, ok thanks |
| 16:58.23 | mwester | If you find the sources for that latest image, please let me know. |
| 16:59.09 | Gnutoo | lindi-, 2008.9 doesn't have the fix according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.9_Update ...so which image should i look for... |
| 17:00.51 | lindi- | Gnutoo: did you check the source code? |
| 17:00.57 | Gnutoo | no |
| 17:01.07 | Gnutoo | i'll do it but i must find it before... |
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| 17:26.00 | bove | does anyone remember the name of the package for ts_calibrate? |
| 17:28.08 | balrog-kun | that should be tslib or tslib-something |
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| 17:50.56 | sgrover | running Debian with the xfce desktop. I'm looking for a visual battery indicator. Any tips? |
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| 17:54.56 | fletch | where can i change the background from 2008.9? |
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| 17:58.03 | fifafrazer | sgrover, There is an XFCE battery plugin for the xfce-panel |
| 17:59.48 | sgrover | fifafrazer: the xfce-batter-plugin package? I have that installed, I think, but not seeing the visual bit |
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| 18:01.52 | fifafrazer | I dont know if it has to be tweaked in order to run properly on the freerunner |
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| 18:04.12 | sgrover | thanks. I suspect the panel just isn't set up right... |
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| 18:17.39 | Infoport | lindi- back again! should copying the rootfs to SD card over netcat take more than 2hrs? |
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| 18:18.41 | dufflebunk | I updated my phone to om2008.9 yesterday, and now I can't get it to resume after suspending. I have to take the battery out. |
| 18:18.46 | dufflebunk | Any suggestions? |
| 18:19.19 | Infoport | dufflebunk disable suspend, it has been an issue (guess it isnt fixed) |
| 18:19.38 | dufflebunk | Up until now I've only had occasional problems, but now it's every time |
| 18:20.07 | Infoport | dufflebunk I had issues under 2008.8, so I havent been trying it for a while |
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| 18:24.08 | dufflebunk | Well, without suspend, the battery life is going to suck :/ |
| 18:24.49 | dufflebunk | But I guess that's what I'll have to do for a while. |
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| 18:25.25 | Infoport | dufflebunk, very true-- my battery life isnt that great with it just locked, so suspend is an important thing to get fixed. I just don't know enough to fix it myself so I am waiting for hardcore developers |
| 18:26.18 | rooly | any succeed in bluetoothage yet? |
| 18:26.51 | mwester | thinks perhaps we need a bluedentist. |
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| 18:32.13 | ieatlint | setec astronomy |
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| 18:36.52 | Mononoke | where does tangogps keep settings ? |
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| 18:43.39 | spydon | where can I download the pidgin ipk without installing the angstrom repo? |
| 18:45.03 | lindi- | Infoport: depends on the rootfs of course? |
| 18:45.09 | lindi- | Infoport: it took less than 30 minutes here |
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| 18:50.07 | Temris | spydon: can't you just add this repo temporarily and remove it just after installing pidgin? |
| 18:51.01 | spydon | Temris, yeah ill have to do that |
| 18:51.57 | rooly | do the repos still default to buildhost? |
| 18:52.04 | rooly | because they did when i update on the 17th |
| 18:52.41 | spydon | which architecture is the freerunner? |
| 18:53.01 | spydon | armv6? |
| 18:53.05 | Temris | spydon: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/pidgin_2.5.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:53.16 | spydon | thx |
| 18:53.40 | Infoport | lindi- perhaps my copying isnt working then. I am trying to copy over the SHR rootfs, and started before I left for a 12 o'clock lunk, now 3 hrs later |
| 18:56.49 | Temris | spydon: you may also need this http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gtk+_2.14.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:57.16 | spydon | yeah, there were a couple of dependencies so ill just install the repo and remove it later |
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| 19:01.18 | Infoport | lindi- well I just opened a new ssh window, and it looks like files are being made on the partition. should I have to stop the "nc ..." command manually? i.e. is there a way for the netcat/nc commands to know that everything's finished, or do you have to ctrl-c out of them? |
| 19:01.40 | lindi- | Infoport: it doesn't know that no |
| 19:01.56 | lindi- | Infoport: just use strace to see if it is transmiting anything |
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| 19:03.05 | spydon | how can I start pidgin, I don't get an icon after installation anymore and the commandline doesn't find it... |
| 19:04.10 | rooly | i like the new splash screen, guys |
| 19:04.27 | rooly | even more spartan than before |
| 19:04.36 | rooly | i do wish there would be no kernel debug tho... |
| 19:05.43 | Infoport | lindi- strace specified by PID? |
| 19:05.52 | lindi- | Infoport: yep |
| 19:08.37 | Temris | spydon: check install logs, maybe it wasn't installed successfuly |
| 19:10.14 | Infoport | lindi- thanks, it looks like it must not be transmitting anymore. strace returns "select(5, [4], NULL, NULL, NULL" and then nothing more (slightly diff numerics on the FR side) |
| 19:11.50 | lindi- | yep |
| 19:13.26 | Infoport | rebooting! oops, forgot to copy over modules. guess I'll see if anything is borked without them |
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| 19:14.55 | Infoport | neat boot screen in SHR, although I really liked the boots. looks like it can make it to desktop without the modules in |
| 19:17.30 | f00ji30 | How's Om2008.8 called, and can it be installed on debian? |
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| 19:50.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r706375966eaa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: add FIXME for missing state, report internal error in log as well |
| 19:50.19 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r98de5b59555f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/gprs.py: ogsmd: add database with gprs settings |
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| 20:01.48 | LionKMP | can I let openmoko-terminal2 on Om 2008.9 use the keyboard which has "Terminal" option? |
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| 20:09.01 | kd8ikt | hows Om2008.9? |
| 20:09.11 | kd8ikt | tossing around the idear of flashing it |
| 20:11.08 | Temris | works fine for me, finally I can use gsm in asu |
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| 20:12.22 | TAsn | lindi-, why were i wrong? |
| 20:13.08 | kd8ikt | GSM or GPRS? or both i guess |
| 20:13.25 | kd8ikt | yeah GSM never did work for me on 8 |
| 20:13.45 | Temris | GSM, didn't test GPRS yet |
| 20:13.57 | Temris | LionKMP, yes |
| 20:14.04 | kd8ikt | dont tinker much with GPRS cause it costs like 15cents a kb for me |
| 20:14.06 | lindi- | TAsn: fso repos had fso-gpsd? |
| 20:14.14 | TAsn | no |
| 20:14.16 | LionKMP | Temris: cool. How? :) |
| 20:14.23 | kd8ikt | not about to pay 20$ more a month for unlimited |
| 20:14.31 | rooly | just wants his bluetooth to work |
| 20:14.32 | TAsn | actually even the zhone gps doesn't work for me. |
| 20:14.35 | kd8ikt | though it would be neat |
| 20:15.02 | kd8ikt | TAsn: did you turn on GPS ? |
| 20:15.04 | TAsn | though in 2007 (and in terminal) i can get a fix |
| 20:15.04 | LionKMP | wants wifi to work :) |
| 20:15.04 | Temris | LionKMP, opkg install openmoko-terminal2 illume-config && reboot neo |
| 20:15.08 | kd8ikt | echo 1 blahblah |
| 20:15.14 | TAsn | kd8ikt, no |
| 20:15.17 | LionKMP | Termis: ok, I try right now, thanks. |
| 20:15.24 | TAsn | since you don't have to when you run zhone gps |
| 20:15.39 | TAsn | furthermore, i see in terminal that i have a fix |
| 20:15.49 | kd8ikt | i dunno mine has been running 2007 forever |
| 20:16.06 | TAsn | kd8ikt, ;] |
| 20:16.15 | TAsn | don't you hate the echo problem? |
| 20:16.33 | TAsn | btw i have a weird voice distortion with fso. |
| 20:16.49 | kd8ikt | welll its not really a problem its just something that has to be done |
| 20:17.02 | TAsn | people hear me very weak and distorted. |
| 20:17.11 | kd8ikt | and the utilities should have a quick button for enabling/disabling the power to it |
| 20:17.15 | TAsn | and i also hear them like that. |
| 20:17.33 | ieatlint | TAsn, that's a feature... for making threatening phone calls and ransom demands |
| 20:17.35 | TAsn | kd8ikt, wait, what are we talking about now? gps? |
| 20:17.41 | TAsn | ieatlint, ;] |
| 20:17.57 | Temris | LionKMP, I got wifi to work today on om2008.9 even without going to terminal |
| 20:17.58 | kd8ikt | well everything i guess |
| 20:18.12 | LionKMP | Temris: I didn't :( Do you use WPA? |
| 20:18.20 | TAsn | ;] |
| 20:19.10 | rooly | i wonder if midori can stand up to my schools wifi |
| 20:19.16 | Temris | LionKMP, yes - WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK |
| 20:19.24 | TAsn | anyhow |
| 20:19.39 | TAsn | ieatlint, how do i turn ransom mode off? |
| 20:19.50 | LionKMP | Temris: hm, could you pastebin your wpa_supplicant and the interfaces file? be sure to delete password :) |
| 20:19.51 | TAsn | and have anyone experience similar behavior? |
| 20:20.10 | ieatlint | free the hostage |
| 20:20.24 | TAsn | and get to the check point? |
| 20:20.41 | Temris | LionKMP, oh, I forgot that I probably needed to set /etc/resolv.conf manually |
| 20:20.49 | ieatlint | that fso ms3? |
| 20:20.59 | TAsn | aye |
| 20:21.03 | LionKMP | that would be the simpliest, I never ever got an IP address displayed with eth0 in infconfig. |
| 20:21.10 | ieatlint | fso ms3 has issues :( |
| 20:21.20 | TAsn | is it at least a know issue? |
| 20:21.27 | TAsn | or should i open a bug about it? |
| 20:21.33 | TAsn | btw, at least i don't have echo! ;] |
| 20:21.43 | ieatlint | uhm, i've heard a lot about fso ms3 issues... can't say i've heard of that |
| 20:22.01 | TAsn | where's the bug track? |
| 20:22.09 | ieatlint | i am just booting the fso testing feed compiled today, will see how it looks |
| 20:22.14 | ieatlint | trac.freesmartphone.org |
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| 20:22.22 | TAsn | thanks. |
| 20:23.14 | LionKMP | Temris: wow, keyboard works, thanks! |
| 20:23.50 | Temris | :) |
| 20:24.24 | LionKMP | ehm, prompt should not have "root@om-gta02:", I try the old PS1 thing.. |
| 20:24.51 | LionKMP | hm, actually that's useful in ssh... |
| 20:24.51 | Temris | I noticed that the keyboard sometimes switches to that old one somehow... only workaround i got is to reboot |
| 20:25.04 | LionKMP | oh, ok, I'll remember, thanks :) |
| 20:25.26 | GNUtoo | hello, I see that in om2008.8 there is tichy and zhone...is a version less recent than FSO milestone 3...and in milestone 3 is there evince,midori,vte etc... by the way there is 2 things lacking in FSO:missed calls and operators messages(on my old phone and in qtopia there is a message telling me my credit at the end of each phone calls...) |
| 20:26.58 | GNUtoo | s/is/is it |
| 20:27.23 | GNUtoo | oops: s/is a version/is it a version/ |
| 20:27.25 | LionKMP | lol, if that was the only thing I didnt understand :) |
| 20:28.15 | Temris | LionKMP, I managed to connect to wifi only once today, so I don't have working config available right now, if I manage to connect I will let you know |
| 20:28.34 | LionKMP | Temris: ok, thanks. |
| 20:28.56 | LionKMP | hm, if I start mplayer in ssh with DISPLAY=:0, it's ok, but from terminal, I get no picture no sound. any ideas? |
| 20:29.02 | slaxxin | reverting back to fdom 09172008 |
| 20:30.47 | LionKMP | (cancel, I tried wrong file) |
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| 20:34.08 | LionKMP | shouldn't mplayer -vo should list something like xglamo? |
| 20:35.00 | TAsn | LionKMP, xv == using x (which uses glamo) about pure glamo, i wondered myself... |
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| 20:35.27 | TAsn | ieatlint, I'm using milestone 3 so where should i add the bug to? ms3 or 4? |
| 20:36.49 | TAsn | nvm. |
| 20:36.49 | TAsn | ;] |
| 20:38.02 | LionKMP | qpe eating 70-90% of my CPU, again. it was in 2008.8 too :( |
| 20:38.11 | LionKMP | anybody has ideas about that? |
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| 20:42.41 | zem | hi |
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| 20:46.34 | rooly | oy |
| 20:46.54 | rooly | could someone PLEASE fix the python __init.py__ file in the repo? |
| 20:47.08 | LionKMP | :) good idea |
| 20:57.47 | mwester | has somebody files a bug report on the python __init.py__ file in the repo? |
| 20:57.57 | mwester | er, filed |
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| 21:03.08 | rooly | iunno |
| 21:03.15 | rooly | the error's been known for a long time tho |
| 21:03.46 | rooly | it's nothing more than a freakin '_' |
| 21:04.05 | rooly | could be fixed in less than a minute |
| 21:05.07 | LionKMP | can I search in bug descriptions on the Trac? If yes, which filter option? |
| 21:08.03 | LionKMP | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718 |
| 21:08.22 | LionKMP | isn't it the same? same file, same error message. resolved fixed...? |
| 21:08.32 | slaxxin | the 09202008 upgrade doesnt seem to break FDOM from09132008 |
| 21:08.53 | LionKMP | what's FDOM? another distro? |
| 21:09.15 | rooly | it's 2008.9 with tweaks, bugfixes, and plenty of included software |
| 21:09.20 | slaxxin | spains contribution |
| 21:09.38 | LionKMP | ah, I see :) so another distro ;-) |
| 21:09.43 | slaxxin | it has been working well for me |
| 21:09.47 | slaxxin | no |
| 21:09.52 | rooly | grubmles |
| 21:10.01 | rooly | my headset is "working" |
| 21:10.17 | slaxxin | mine prolly doesnt |
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| 21:17.07 | rooly | which device in /dev is the bluetooth antenna? |
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| 21:20.26 | slaxxin | rooly which os do u have? |
| 21:20.33 | rooly | asu |
| 21:20.37 | slaxxin | qtopia? |
| 21:20.40 | slaxxin | oo |
| 21:20.42 | LionKMP | does it have a /dev entry? |
| 21:20.58 | rooly | i just wanna see if i can find device output somehow |
| 21:21.08 | jrei | just one question, who of om is thinking that it is a good idea to not put a terminal on the images |
| 21:21.12 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth maybe this helps? |
| 21:21.31 | rooly | to see if i can find any queries from the headset's button |
| 21:21.36 | LionKMP | jrei: what a good question. Submit a trac request? :) |
| 21:22.03 | LionKMP | rooly: try that manually using thing, or did not not help? |
| 21:22.10 | rooly | that's what i'm using |
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| 21:22.48 | jrei | how do I get the freerunner online using the 2008.09 image? |
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| 21:23.43 | rooly | check usb-networking, jrei |
| 21:23.47 | LionKMP | jrei: USB networking works out of the box, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
| 21:24.28 | LionKMP | is there a volume control? (besides alsa mixer, which does not really fit in small terminal) |
| 21:24.59 | slaxxin | there was no ip in /resolv.conf |
| 21:27.47 | LionKMP | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS |
| 21:29.09 | jrei | LionKMP: thanks |
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| 21:32.23 | rooly | wow |
| 21:32.26 | slaxxin | hay slackware made it to the wiki::)) |
| 21:32.29 | rooly | i just froze the SHIT outta my phone |
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| 21:32.50 | slaxxin | does it work faster |
| 21:33.08 | rooly | do what? |
| 21:33.26 | slaxxin | might take the batt out due to condensation |
| 21:33.36 | slaxxin | lolololo |
| 21:33.48 | rooly | it froze so bad i couldn't even power-cycle it |
| 21:33.57 | rooly | i had to take the batt out |
| 21:34.02 | slaxxin | lolol |
| 21:34.29 | mwester | doesn't put the back on the phone very often, to make taking the battery out easier. |
| 21:34.39 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.14 | rooly | nope |
| 21:36.21 | rooly | it was while i was messing with bluetooth |
| 21:40.57 | rooly | right |
| 21:41.00 | rooly | enough tinkering for today |
| 21:41.05 | rooly | time to put some pants on |
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| 22:20.13 | GNUtoo | hello, what does that means? opkg: Invalid tar header checksum |
| 22:21.59 | jrei | are the launcher icons still in progress? |
| 22:22.05 | mjr | there's probably an invalid tar header checksum in the package |
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| 22:25.20 | mwester | Try "opkg install tar" and see if the full tar will do the job. |
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| 22:33.34 | Infinyte | Arr, any idea why I can ping Google.com, but not debian.org? (Which is what I need to access to well.. Install Debian. xp) |
| 22:35.01 | mac2k | Infinyte: if you can't resove the name use the ip or add it to /etc/hosts |
| 22:36.06 | Infinyte | That'd prolly work, but there must be something preventing it from getting accessed that I'm missing here. |
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| 22:41.04 | almien | did you access it earlier? something may have remembered |
| 22:43.06 | Infinyte | Yeah I did. |
| 22:43.15 | Infinyte | Wait, I think I got it. |
| 22:43.26 | Infinyte | Still had the usb0 host in route. |
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| 22:44.30 | Infinyte | Yay, fixeded. |
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| 23:31.12 | Infoport | hi all! is the method for setting up networking in SHR different than in OM2007 & 2008.8? I copied over my interfaces file and my wpa_supplicant.conf, and it killed usb networking too |
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| 23:36.53 | lpotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.20 | Infoport | lpotter, speechless? |
| 23:42.11 | lpotter | no. that was my one year old |
| 23:42.43 | Infoport | lpotter, hey start them on the computer early! |
| 23:42.58 | Infoport | (and people say Linux is hard to use) |
| 23:43.17 | lpotter | I did. my just turned 3 year old son knows how to use the mouse, play games and surf to his favorite online games |
| 23:43.25 | lpotter | can even do click and drag |
| 23:43.33 | lpotter | :) |
| 23:43.53 | zash | bah |
| 23:44.22 | zash | teach him c or something |
| 23:44.40 | lpotter | actually, there is a programming language for kids |
| 23:44.48 | zash | LOLCODE! |
| 23:45.10 | lpotter | vb or something :) |
| 23:45.16 | lpotter | or was that python |
| 23:45.34 | zash | ;) |
| 23:45.52 | Infoport | lpotter cool! my father, who used to program on mainframes in Cobol, etc, has a hard time with some PC tasks, but my grandmother who just turned 90 got her PC and cable modem several years ago and does LOTS. just has a hard time with arthritis and mouse sometimes, but uses trackball mouse (which confused people I worked with often) |
| 23:46.56 | zash | why didnt i grow up with amiga and such |
| 23:47.18 | Infoport | when granny visits, I set up an account on my Linux box, she uses Mozilla-- no problem! |
| 23:48.47 | Infoport | actually she uses Firefox on my Linux box. She has to have *some* way to check her email :-D |
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| 23:51.39 | gregdude | Hi, trying to install pygame on 2008.9 (lil' playing around with games developement) which needs sdl-dev. opkg, however, complains when trying to install libsdl-1.2-dev, that "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libsdl-1.2-dev: mesa (= 6.5.2-r1)" |
| 23:51.43 | Infoport | grrr...I messed up usb networking in SHR by copying /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf over. |
| 23:51.53 | gregdude | alongside a lot of "unsatisfied recommendation" |
| 23:52.45 | gregdude | when listing available packages, there's mesa-dev and mesa-dbg, but no mesa... |
| 23:52.57 | gregdude | any ideas, how to get around this? |
| 23:54.29 | Infoport | gregdude I could be wrong, but I would think that those would satisfy it (the first providing more for development and the second giving advanced debug output) |
| 23:56.12 | Infoport | gregdude usually if you install -dev or -dbg packages in other Linux distros, they are instead of the "basic" versions, and the package manager will remove the basic one |
| 23:57.46 | gregdude | now that i try, mesa-dev returns with the same unsatisfied dependency of "mesa"... |
| 23:57.50 | Infoport | gregdude so it could be that people have only packaged up the -dev and -dbg version b/c it was what they were using most currently (given the state of the distro) |
| 23:58.15 | Infoport | gregdude, hmm I guess I *was* wrong, sorry |
| 23:59.57 | viq | Is there a way to import iCal calendars into 2008? |
