IRC log for #openmoko on 20080917

00:00.11bricode__johngay: It takes a lot of time and effort to ship out single phones.
00:01.21Sargunbricode__, how big is koolu?
00:02.05bricode__Sargun: Depends on how you do the head count. We outsource/partner quite a bit.
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00:03.17stevenSnbricode_: Has koolu developed any apps for the OM yet?
00:03.19Sargundirect employees?
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00:05.42bricode__Sargun: 12
00:06.03bricode__stevenSn: For the OM distributions, or for use on the FR?
00:06.08Sargunbricode__, So, I assume if I spent my time working on a new design you would/might adopt it?
00:06.28stevenSnfor use on the FR
00:06.39bricode__stevenSn: We donated some FR's for Debian port to FR.
00:06.59bricode__stevenSn: Also looking at SIP functionality and possible Android port.
00:07.12bricode__Sargun: From a h/w or s/w perspective?
00:07.17Sargunbricode__, can the FR's CPU do Jazelle?
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00:07.26bricode__Sargun: No.
00:07.26Sargunbricode__, the website?
00:07.49SargunIIRC Android really need Jazelle to be effective platform
00:07.53Sargunno to which one
00:08.08bricode__Sargun: No to Jazelle.
00:08.17SargunOk.
00:08.32bricode__Sargun: Toss me an e-mail with your thoughts: Brian.Code@koolu.com
00:08.47SargunIs your last name actually code?
00:08.52bricode__Sargun: Yes
00:09.13Sargunneat.
00:09.34johngayYou'll never guess what my last name really is (-;
00:10.36edistarhummmm
00:10.47bricode__Sargun: Sometimes you just end up where you are.
00:11.12DaveHow are you gentlemen?
00:11.34johngayHello, Dave.
00:11.40DaveGreetings.
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00:16.27edistarhi Dave
00:19.41johngayI was reading about http://sourceforge.net/projects/easystroke/ today, and thought I'd be neat to try to port to the FR using the accel's?
00:20.44ShellEviljohngay: what do you think the accelerometers do?
00:20.59ShellEvilayeuu: you can't get a position from them
00:21.42johngayreport movements in 3 dimensions. Therefore you can capture pysical gestures.
00:21.51ShellEvilThey don't.
00:22.02ShellEvilThey report accellerations, with _lots_ of noise.
00:22.25ShellEvilhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals
00:22.31ShellEvilis probably worth a skim
00:25.24johngayYea, but using sharp gestures, similar to the google project idea, and using easystroke you might get something usefull.
00:25.54ShellEvilMaybe.
00:26.04ShellEvilThe problem is disentangling orientation and position.
00:26.24ShellEvilAnd you're going to end up with quite large movements - as the noise is quite high and the resolution is quite low.
00:26.29ShellEvil16cm/s^2 or so
00:27.24edistarnot even real acceleration, but something weird..
00:27.27DaveSpeedevil!
00:27.39edistarcause if my mobile lies on the table it doesn't accelerate downwards
00:27.44Daveoh yeah, speedy
00:27.50balrog-kunwriting a generic lib for keeping 3d position+orientation based on 2 accelerometers is constantly high on my TODO
00:28.03balrog-kunfor a couple of months and will remain there for another couple
00:28.27DaveI've been wondering, how much power would it require (and would a battery pack be suitable), for a freerunner with a high nits display? :)
00:28.33edistarbalrog-kun: till it gets deleted?
00:28.45Dave(i.e. suitable for outdoor use) :)
00:29.12balrog-kunedistar: yes, for whatever reason, e.g. when it's been done :)
00:29.35edistarbalrog-kun: write a joystick/input device.. everyone will be happy about that
00:29.38ShellEvilDave: to be as bright as sunlight on a 3.5" (3 inches) * (2.5 inches) * (1 (Kw / (m^2))) = 4.8387 watts
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00:29.56ShellEvilThat's times 6, so you'd need 30W or so.
00:30.08balrog-kunthe freerunner accelerometers may not be accurate enough for that to be useful but i guess at some point there will be hardware with good enough accelerometers and the lib might be handy there
00:30.12balrog-kun*then
00:30.13ShellEvilBut in practice, 3W would be quite readable if you're willing to move it around.
00:30.23johngayWhat about noise-reduction by comparing the two accel's to cancel out conflicting data?
00:30.29ShellEviljohngay: useless
00:30.38ShellEviljohngay: you get maybe another quarter or a half a bit
00:30.48balrog-kunand i still haven't seen any actual figures about how bad the freerunner accelerometers are
00:30.56ShellEvil16mg resolution.
00:31.00ShellEvilThey don't quote noise.
00:31.15balrog-kun16mg doesn't tell you much
00:31.21ShellEvil16 milligee
00:31.38ShellEvil16 thousandths of a G - an accelleration of 16 centimeters a second a second
00:31.42balrog-kunat 2 samples a second that's little, at 2000 samples a second that's more than you need for pretty good geolocation
00:31.57balrog-kundepending on the noise ofcourse
00:32.16ShellEvilhow do you come to that conclusion?
00:32.18rastermake some noooooooiiiiiiise!
00:32.27balrog-kunbut the noise at high sample rate lets you get better accuracy actually
00:32.30DaveSpeedevil, I just know I have a 400nit display, and it uses a bunch of power, but it's quite impressive, and undeniably effective :)
00:32.45ShellEvileven 16/sqrt(2000) is not actually that great a number.
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00:32.59DaveI was just daydreaming about something suitable for a mobile device like the freerunner.
00:33.05ShellEvilAnd it's not going to be close to that - for one thing I think the samplerate is 150Hz max
00:33.17edistarraster: sorry? didn't here that..
00:33.34edistar*hear
00:33.39DaveRASTERMAN
00:33.51DaveWe've been praising you all day, it's about time you showed up!
00:34.29Daveall these fat-fingered foos be comin' up in here, praisin the rastahmon for his supremo keyboard
00:34.46rasteredistar: make some NOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISE!
00:34.49Davethey're like, it hits ALL the right keys... despite my 1" wide fingers!
00:34.49balrog-kunShellEvil: it has a lot of noise but i did a very dumb test with the freerunner laying flat on the table and summing (or i think that's called integrating) over the samples and it was pretty sensitive if you took the results of the summing after periods of a couple of seconds
00:35.03Davedirects his freerunner's gsm modem in raster's general direction
00:35.12rasterDave:  jhajajajaj!
00:35.16Dave>:)
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00:35.28DaveThere, happy? :P
00:35.53balrog-kunShellEvil: it was laying on a table of about 1m x 1m size, about in the centre of it, if i put my hand on one corner of the table (without using any force, just the weight of my hand) it made a difference on the screen
00:35.57rastergood-o!
00:36.06rastertho i'm not entirely happy
00:36.15DaveYou're never completely satisfied :P
00:36.15rasteri need to get multi-linga support working much better
00:36.20Dave:)
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00:36.38rasterthough with my plans.. methinks i can also cover jp/kr/cn too...
00:36.43DaveI wish I had your keyboard on my 2007.2 install - using matchbox-keyboard is so painful
00:36.45balrog-kunShellEvil: the program was drawing a crosshair on the screen which moved in X and Y accoring to the samples from one of the accelerometers
00:36.49rasterbut i have other things to do right now...
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00:36.51Daveraster, it's possible
00:36.55ShellEvilbalrog-kun: I haven't done any data analysis on the accels, not having one.
00:37.01Davethough I find the lack of realestate rather disconcerting
00:37.11edistarraster: work on the e* libs! :)
00:37.21DaveRaster, work out!
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00:37.25balrog-kunShellEvil: i think it's not terribly bad
00:37.39rasterDave:  as such i suspect we are beating a dead horse when it comes to "qwerty input with fingers" on the FR.
00:37.40balrog-kuni mean the accels are not terribly bad
00:37.45ShellEvilbalrog-kun: The datasheet is very poor.
00:37.46rasterits already a small screen
00:37.57rasterthe bevel/lip around the screen reduces the effective hit region more
00:38.13rasterand the "i have to hammer the screen with fingers to register a press" doesnt help
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00:38.21johngayWhat about a graphiti-like input method?
00:38.23Daveraster, yes :(
00:38.27edistarlol, I don't hammer actually..
00:38.29Daveraster, agreed!
00:38.30ShellEvilbalrog-kun: the resolution of them is very bad. If you can oversample them, then that addresses some of the concerns, by no meansall.
00:38.35rasteredistar: i am. well working on a mini-toolkit for mobile ui creation
00:38.45edistarah, okey
00:38.47Daveraster, I think the next gen needs a serious design face-liftr
00:39.04rasterjohngay: dubious due to sensitivity of screen (unless u press very hard you dont retain a "mouse down")
00:39.10Daveyeah :(
00:39.23Davealso apm and ts0 are fucked up like that :D
00:39.28rasterjohngay: also much slower than "keyboard" (where its 1 tap per letter not a whole stroke)
00:39.30Daveif you're dragging it can still shut off
00:39.39rasterbut hey
00:39.48Daveraster likes tappin' it :p
00:39.48rasterif u can get qwerty working on that screen
00:39.51rasteru can make it work anywhere
00:39.56Daveheh
00:40.02johngayWhat if you treated the mouse-down as very sloppy?
00:40.16Davethere's a mouse?
00:40.18edistarjohngay: then it'b _be_ very sloppy, not what you want
00:40.25rasterit works like an absolute charm on my 3.2" zaurus screen.
00:40.31rasterbut that screen is much better
00:40.47johngayI used to love graphiti on my Palm devices.
00:40.49edistargoes and steals rasters keyboard, just to get nice qwerty input
00:41.13rasterjohngay: trust me - entirely different when its a stylus vs a finger
00:41.22johngayThough I'm planning on getting Apples bluetooth keyboard.
00:41.42johngayI used to graphiti with my finger (-;
00:43.06Davethat reminds me
00:43.17Davewhy doesn't the freerunner have a pointer dealie? might be a neat hack
00:43.21DaveSPeedevil, get on it!
00:43.41Daveraster, you dislike the freerunner screen?
00:43.52ShellEvilpointer dealie?
00:43.56Daveyes
00:43.57rasterDave: it could be better
00:44.07rasterDave: its got amazing dpi
00:44.11DaveI find the vga display to be impressive
00:44.15Daveat times
00:44.22Daveyet the usability remains to be seen
00:44.24ShellEvilDave: I can install a pointer holder into your FR if that's what you mean.
00:44.24Daveor seems to be lacking
00:44.36Daveno no
00:44.41ShellEvilhas a powerdrill!
00:44.44rasterbut the toushcreen sensitivity and indenting of it so you cant really touch the corners of it i dont like at all
00:44.55rasterits also utterly useless in daylight
00:45.03rasterbut so are most lcd's
00:45.03raster:)
00:46.54Daveagred
00:46.57Daveagreed
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00:47.39Davethough I did approve of the seemingly logical fact that when it powers off the display for apm it just kills the backlight
00:47.48Davethe lcd is still on :)
00:47.57Daveso in daylight, it's more readable without the backlight :)
00:48.06Dave(getting the negative effect)
00:48.23edistarDave: so daylight mode will be lcd off!
00:48.29DaveI liked that on the razr, except after a certain timeout the lcd stopped updating with the backlight off
00:48.35Daveedistar, backlight off
00:48.47Davelcd stays on, which was my point :P
00:48.52Daveit's simple lcd basics :P
00:49.00edistarDave: lcd can't go off afaik, can it?
00:49.11Daveeither that or plug in a 35W battery pack, as speedevil suggested, and bump up the screen brightness significantly :D
00:49.20Daveedistar, sure it can
00:49.22ShellEvil35W is probably overkill.
00:49.26DaveNEVER
00:49.38DaveShellevil, I want to be able to see where I'm going at 4PM
00:49.43ShellEvilThat would be for 'I need to see it even if it's got the sun reflecting directly off the display into my eyes'.
00:49.49johngayYou can never have too much power!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:49.50DaveYES
00:49.54DaveExactly
00:50.00Davejohngay, for once, I'd agree with you.
00:50.12DaveSPeaking along those lines, why don't we have a pentium six? :D
00:50.22johngayYou'd better. I'm usually right (-;
00:50.26DaveWhere's Scotty when you need him.
00:50.51DaveI should find cute little warp nacelles for my freerunner and take a stupid picture of it just for amusement.
00:51.13johngayCause Intel have hit the limit of processor speed, so now their putting more processor on the die rather than faster ones.
00:51.18DaveThough Speedevil, it would be nice if we could bump up the screen brightness, even if it only cost ~4-5W
00:51.22Daveoh well :)
00:51.29DaveIt's satisfactory for general use :)
00:51.41ShellEvilDave: that's 4-5W of light out - probably 12-20W of LED power.
00:51.44johngayI'm sorry, Dave. But you know I can not let you do that.
00:51.47DaveJohngay, yeah, it's pretty "eco friendly"
00:52.00DaveSpeedevil, exactly.
00:52.15balrog-kunintel have hit the limit of the Pentium Number and they can't go higher than four
00:52.19DaveSpeedevil, wouldn't a nice conforming battery pack do the trick, though?
00:52.30ShellEvilDave: and really high power blower.
00:52.37DaveI don't even know if the lcd could handle it
00:52.38Daveyeah
00:52.39Dave:P
00:52.43Davethe current one, that is
00:53.02Davebalrogkun, bah, I'm supremely disappointed.
00:53.12DaveThough I have been for several years.
00:53.19DaveWhatever, multicore consumer chips are lame
00:53.30DaveI'm likely just ranting for use scenarios.
00:53.33balrog-kunfor about the last 30 years? :)
00:53.43johngayWell, they had to go to Pentium because they'd used up all the combinations of the digits they patented when they started. They only owned 3,4,5,6 and 8 (-;
00:53.44DaveAnd having to be in one of the few professions in which multicore performs worse.
00:53.58Davebalrog-kun, heh
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00:54.20DaveJohngay, I'm glad someone else was aware of that as well ;)
00:54.30johngayWell, I did work for them./
00:55.28balrog-kunis about to start...
00:55.35johngayThey really have hit the limit for speed improvements. That's why they're doing multi-core now.
00:55.55johngayJust to keep up with moores law.
00:56.01DaveBEGIN!
00:56.13DaveJohngay, what a crock :P
00:56.28johngayI was there, man.
00:56.38DaveGood for you.
00:56.54DaveI was there... in spirit? :P
00:57.01Davelaughs
00:57.17johngayBut I heard it from the bosses mouth. (-;
00:57.30DaveWell, I'm glad I wasn't there, then! :D
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00:58.37Davewakka wakka wakka
00:58.44johngayDidn't you realise that why everyone is going multi-core?
00:59.51rastermulticore also scales much better for perfromance
00:59.55rasterper watt
01:00.06DaveDude, I just got a dual quad-core system up :P
01:00.08balrog-kunthey should start putting self replicating cores in the processors
01:00.10rasterie they can add a 2nd core, or double the clockrate
01:00.16Daveraster, duh, hence my eco-friendly quip :p
01:00.19rasterguess whihc one soaks up much much much more power?
01:00.22raster:)
01:00.33DaveI waste enough power with my P4 army
01:00.38rasterhehehe
01:00.39DaveWhich I am quite proud of.
01:00.43DaveThey've accomplished a lot :P
01:00.49rasterfrankly the future is going ot be multi-core
01:00.57rasterthere coems a point where u just have too many of them to bother with
01:00.57Daveand incidentally heat the place during the winter.
01:01.06rasterbut i suspect it is going to be a merging of gfx and cpu worlds again
01:01.09Daveraster, yeah yeah
01:01.13Daveindeed
01:01.25DaveI mean, you've got CPUs being the frequent bottleneck now :P
01:01.40rasterwith cpus' grow9ing slightly more specific funcs for vector mantipulation and gfx simd ops - texel sampling and bizarre tiled memory layout handling in mmu's
01:02.05rasterthe gpu will just merge in as "a bunch more cores"
01:02.10Daveit's gonna be one super kinky partay
01:02.13rasterits been slowly going that way for a while now
01:02.15Davehaha, indeed
01:02.16Daveright
01:02.28Davelike your dual cards are like 8 cores now?
01:02.34Davecraziness
01:02.43Davecpu is struggling to keep up
01:02.44rasterthe thigns we need are just a bit more help ont he cpu side for thnigs that are very efficiently done in silicon that are workhorse things (like texel sample/interpolate/supersample)
01:02.45johngayUnless there's a major change in tech, which Intel can't find, multi-core is the only way to increase processing power any more.
01:02.47Daveso just add more cores :P
01:02.53rasterand tiled memory accessing
01:03.10rasterand then just do everyting u can on as many cores as u can
01:03.12Davejohngay, make way for the next big tech giant!
01:03.19Davebah
01:03.21rasterthat reminds me - tonight i need to write up my new gpu design...
01:03.23DaveI'd rather have more waffles
01:03.25rasterbeen thinking about it for a bit
01:03.26raster:)
01:03.33johngayAMD and Sun can't find it either.
01:03.40Daveraster, we always enjoy hearing your ideas.
01:03.48Daveand seeing your designs, no matter how bizarre :D
01:03.54DaveJohngay, sucks for them.
01:04.00rasterwell the gpu is a smart memory chip
01:04.01DaveI hope they all go under or merge.
01:04.06rasterso it needs to be in software
01:04.11rasterbut softwqwre that will work well with the desing
01:04.14rasteri think i have one
01:04.19Davesoftware
01:04.21Davebleh
01:04.26DaveI've had enough of that for a while...
01:04.33Davetoo much brokenmoko code
01:04.35johngayI think moores law is going to get taxed in a few more years.
01:04.37Davewracking my brains
01:04.59DaveBeing someone that worked there, I'm rather surprised and appauled you keep referring to it as a law.
01:06.18Davegoddamn, in other news, I wish I had a keyboard for this freerunner
01:06.32Davetyping on it for an hour or more is obnoxious and painful :D
01:07.16DaveBeing the way the mobile device market is going, I'd be heavily investing in physical therapy centers and the field as a whole, now :P
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01:08.27rwhitbyDave: you need a form factor with a physical keyboard, like a Treo650 form factor
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01:09.07DaveYes!
01:10.14bricode__Dave: Why type directly on the device?
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01:10.29rasterthe FR hjust isnt a device u can sanely type more than a bit of sms's and short emails on
01:10.33rasterthe screen just sint big enough
01:10.39rasteralong with its other foibles
01:11.04rwhitbyraster: agreed.  whereas the Treo650 (which has a smaller screen) is easy to type long emails on.  go figure.
01:11.17rasterphysicalo keys
01:11.26rastertactile feedback and the ability to just feel your way around a kbd
01:11.30rastercan't beat it
01:11.39rasterif the fr had a big 3.5" or 4" screen
01:11.45raster(like the psp or n800)
01:11.48rasterit may be a bit different
01:11.49rwhitbyexactly.  still waiting for a good linux phone with physical keyboard ...
01:11.54rasterbut fingers are only so big
01:12.20rasterand an indented screen just makes the 2.8" effectiely more 2.2 or 2.4"
01:12.43rasteri thin even the iphone is pushing it with 3.5"
01:12.49rastercapactive helps
01:13.04rasterbut i doubt u'll sanely get typing out of anything smaller
01:13.09rasteru go to graffiti
01:13.16rasteror tiny corrective/predictive keyboards
01:13.30rasteror numpad emulations and it will just be slow and cumbersome - but work
01:16.41rasteri suspect the qtopia predictive (and illume
01:16.51rasterkdbs'a re about as good as it'd get for fast input
01:16.58rasterwithout a stylus (or with)
01:17.12rasterothers will either be about the same (just different) and have a higher learning curve
01:17.15ShellEvilVoice recognition!
01:17.32rasterShellEvil: thats always an option.. but.. really.. just call the person then!
01:17.33raster:)
01:17.58raster(really people dont want voice recognition mostly for email/sms - so they can do it silently in private whereever they are and dont have to go find a place to "make a call")
01:24.17ShellEvilTo an extent.
01:24.33ShellEvilI do want to actually be able to send SMS with voice.
01:24.35rasterto a very large extent i'd say
01:24.38rastersure
01:24.47ShellEvilAnd recieve voice calls via text.
01:24.49rasterbut voice isnt a replacement for a kbd
01:24.53rasterits a nice extra
01:24.59ShellEvilBut generalised voice recognition is hard.
01:25.05rasteryes
01:25.14DaveYES
01:25.16rasterand if u didnt have a usable keyboard - people would murder you
01:25.27Davebe glad we didn't come after you :)
01:25.43raster"not maaah kbd!" :)
01:25.50slaxxerhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html
01:25.51Dave:D
01:25.56Daveis raster in the news?
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01:27.08ShellEvilHe's not very popular.
01:27.10ShellEvilhttp://google.com/trends?q=raster%2Cvector&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
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01:28.31rasterHAHAHAHHAHAHA
01:29.06Staticwave_Aceircing as root, very secure ;)
01:29.44Guest49291just installed arch, and xchat cannot save settings :/
01:31.38Guest4929185.190.0.3 stop portscannig my router
01:32.04johngayNo (-=
01:32.20Dave:D
01:32.44Daveirc'ing on the freerunner? -- what choice do you have? :D
01:32.53rasterhahaha
01:32.56Davewe were talking about rootkits for the freerunner just this afternoon
01:33.11Davethough obviously it's somewhat pointless, as it's a device which ships as root with a blank password
01:33.22Davebut still fun to think about :)
01:36.17Guest49291hm this IP turned out to be freenodes port-scanner, scans your host to see if it is"ddos attack capable", very interesting, http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies
01:36.37johngayGuess it wasn't me, then (-;
01:40.12Daveopen proxy scanner
01:40.15Daveit's standard
01:40.17Daveand annoying
01:40.34ShellEvilMuch less annoying than the DDOS people.
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01:42.34johngayWasn't DDOS from Microsoft?
01:42.56FxChiPMS-DOS came from Microsoft
01:42.59FxChiPPCDOS from IBM
01:43.01FxChiPDR-DOS from Caldera
01:43.11FxChiPor whatever company that was
01:43.32ShellEvilfreedos
01:43.46johngayPC DOS was from M$ as well, actually.
01:44.36DaveDR-DOS!
01:44.37DaveYES
01:44.40Davehahahahah
01:44.43DaveA.K.A. HELL
01:49.15johngaySome today told me they wrote a paper in high school in 1969 that was inspired by reading about the Altair 8800 (-;
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02:15.30Guest49291is there any way to keep my dns information for say, 10 minutes, so i dont have to resolve each time i visit a site? my isp's dns sucks lately :/
02:15.54ShellEvilGuest49291: I guess you're in a BIND then.
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02:17.19Guest49291so the dns reply packet tells my host hao long to keep the info for?
02:17.32roolyyou'd think that by the time a student gets to calc2, teachers won't be trying to 'help' them with a shitload of extra work for points
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02:46.57sgroverHelp?  Tried following the guide on the wiki, but can't get my desktop to see the freerunner.  Using kubuntu 8.04 64bit with stock kernel.
02:47.31ShellEvilDoes it show in lsusb?
02:47.55mwesterwonders if lpotter is about...
02:49.31ljpyep. right here
02:49.50mwesterAh, under a pseudonym!
02:50.20ljp:)
02:51.15mwesterTwo questions, if you can point in the right direction: a) how do I read the output from "qLog(Modem)" ; where does that go?  b) where are patches to bring the source tarball up to the latest sources (at least up to the fixes that include the echo AT command)?
02:51.40sgroverShellEvil: lsusb isn't showing me anything useful...
02:53.03sgroverdoing dmesg on the desktop shows some usb errors.  I'm just confirming these are from the freerunner, and not general errors from somewhere else.
02:53.39ljpmwester: 1) logread -f
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02:55.49sgroverwhen I plug in the freerunner, I'm getting "new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11" and then "device not accepting address 11, error -62"
02:56.00sgrover(in dmesg)
02:56.05ljpmwester: 2) they should be part of the snapshots already
02:56.12ShellEvil:/
02:56.29ShellEvilsgrover: try plugging it directly into a port, not through a hub.
02:56.33ljpmwester: also, the logging app will show logread
02:56.35mwesterljp:  hmmm... ok, so how do I tell qpe to start logging stuff then?  :D   (Please point me to the FM to R if I should know this; I'm having trouble finding this (I suspect I'm missing something fundamental)
02:57.19ljpyou can either cp /opt/<something>/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf /home/user/Settings/Trolltech
02:57.45ljpand set which ever to tru. or use the logging app. You'll have to restart qtopia
02:57.55mwesterRestart!  
02:58.00ljp:)
02:58.04mwestersmacks himself in the head
02:58.25sgroverShellEvil: hmm.. odd...  I have one of those multi-card readers.  Plugging into there caused the above errors.  Plugging into one of the other case USB slots seems to have worked... but I have never seen that problem with any other USB device I have (and there are many.. :) )
02:58.55mwesterMy patch/hack seems to be working, from the low-level GSM/kernel trace, but I'd like to confirm by seeing what Qtopia is processing. :)
02:59.01ShellEvilsgrover: USB isn't always completely reliable.
02:59.10ShellEvilsgrover: as it should be.
02:59.21sgroverWHOOO HOOO! I've ssh'ed to my phone.  I'm feeling sooooo liberated.. lol
02:59.38ShellEvil:)
02:59.46ljpyou arent liberated until you nfs mount back...
02:59.50ShellEvilNow you realise that's about all you can do :)
03:00.02ShellEvilNFS over GPRS! It's the wave of the future!
03:00.31sgroverk. next question.  I have a spare 1 GB microSD card.  How would I go bout setting that up with 2008.08 ?
03:00.32ljpand run adebug build over it! the operators wil llove you!
03:00.48sgroverShellEvil: unfortunately, I don't have a sim card for the phone yet... that'll be a few days...
03:01.17mwester"AtChat :  N : "+CIEblablal"   <--- what's the "N" signify?
03:02.28mwesterQtopia: Modem :  Started Loss-of-Registration timer.
03:02.32mwesterQtopia: Modem :  Cancelled Loss-of-Registration timer.
03:02.36mwesterMusic.
03:03.00ljpNetwork. it means thats a reply
03:03.33mwesterCool.  
03:03.50mwester(Nice logging, btw)
03:04.43ljphmm.. it doesnt seem my changes made it into the snappies
03:05.06ljpgoes to see the RM
03:07.58slaxxerwhat are we to do with the modules on fsoIII    /how to install them if needed?
03:08.10ljpopkg crashes when trying to isntall a qtopia feed. but does fine when its local
03:08.35ljpadn opkg was squat for debug output
03:08.41ljphas squat
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03:09.31mwestercurl problem; possibly related to ssl libs?
03:10.00mwester(I actually tore out all the curl crap in opkg and replaced it with "system("wget")" in the latest SlugOS images.
03:10.01mwester)
03:10.12ljp:)
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03:11.03ljpya wget was fine.
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03:14.11ljpopkgwhat is weird is that OM repositories work fine
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03:25.39slaxxerseems to be lots of obsticles   hmmmm??
03:26.57sgroverI'm prepping to upgrade to 2008.8.  Is there anyway I can put that on a different microSD?  Or is there a reliable way to return to the factory defaults?
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03:31.04slaxxeryea just put a dfifferent micro sdcard in
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03:31.38sgroverslaxxer: makes sense, but don't I need to pre-configure that microSD?
03:31.56slaxxeru can use dfu utilities to reflash the image of your choice
03:32.09slaxxercheck the wiki
03:32.37slaxxeru want factory 2007.2/
03:33.08slaxxer"getting started with your freerunner"
03:33.45sgroveractually, I think the vendor I ordered through modified the base package some.  (ordered via Koolo in Canada).  I understand they include some google docs....
03:33.51slaxxerif u want 2008.8 on sdcard then  the instructions are there
03:33.52sgroverer. google apps.
03:34.08sgroverI just want to be able to revert to THEIR system if/when needed.
03:34.29sgroverso I'm hesitant to over-write the existing card...
03:34.34slaxxermaybe use dfu utilities to create a backup
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03:34.53slaxxerget another sdcard
03:35.08sgrovertrying that.. just backing up the stuff on my 1GB card
03:35.20slaxxer<PROTECTED>
03:35.33sgrovernot sure.
03:36.27slaxxeri may be wrong    but the card comes factory empty
03:36.27sgroverBut I do know the instructions on the getting started for adding stuff aren't working.  Seems the repository doesn't have the files mentioned.
03:36.27sgroverhmm.. that would be handy.. :)
03:37.00slaxxerwhats on it right now
03:37.24sgrover2007.02, I'm guessing.
03:38.00slaxxerthe support is discontinued for 2007.2
03:38.32slaxxerso what good is it
03:38.38bricode__slaxxer: Depends on what you mean by support...
03:38.48slaxxerwhat extra stuff u wanna keep?
03:39.06slaxxerandy doesnt do it anymore
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03:39.29bricode__slaxxer: Phones still ship with 2007.2
03:39.34slaxxeryup
03:39.39sgroverwhatever the vendor put on there.  I don't think I'll know that though until I have the SIM card - it's in a perpetual state of "registering"
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03:40.14sgroverbooting with my 1GB card in there, so far so good...
03:40.18slaxxerwell qtopia is a good place to start
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03:40.28sgroverI won't have any qualms bout working with that chip..
03:40.28slaxxer<PROTECTED>
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03:40.54slaxxerif u develope then i sugest 2008.9
03:41.18slaxxerbut i dont know much
03:41.26sgroverI'm a web dev... not comfortable enough with C to tackle freerunner development - yet.. :)
03:42.44slaxxerwhats the latest updates foe 2007.2 anyways?
03:42.57slaxxerthe date?
03:43.01sgroverhmm.. so the original 512 microSD is empty... guess I'm worrying bout nothting then... will need to update the "onboard" stuff, which is like you say - put on what I want.. :)
03:43.22slaxxerlook at fdom
03:43.34sgroverfdom?  Haven't heard of it (till tonight)
03:43.35slaxxertrash that 512 meg
03:43.57sgroverwhat bout Debian?
03:44.13sgroverI'm comfortable with ubuntu/debian... sooooo :)
03:44.19slaxxerthe latest fdom has pidgin installed an resolves dns with no config
03:44.45roolyneeds to install pidgin
03:44.55roolyafter i get a data plan
03:45.01slaxxerif u dont need the sdcard for gps map tiles then dedian on the sd works
03:45.05roolythen i need to install skype
03:45.10roolyand make free phone calls
03:45.28slaxxerif u can make alsa cooperate
03:45.56slaxxeri just opkg upgrade     my fdom
03:45.56roolythat's not my problem
03:46.13SpeedEvilskype doesn't have a compatible binary.
03:46.29roolyi dunnah care
03:46.34slaxxerekiga maybe?
03:46.36roolyit's the openmoko!
03:46.49roolyrun it thru wine!
03:46.54rooly(don't lecture me, i already know)
03:47.06slaxxerbla bla
03:47.51roolyis gonna share his class essay with yall when he finishes
03:48.27slaxxerwe need to know now
03:48.34roolyyou do
03:48.35slaxxerso tell us
03:48.39roolybut it's not done yet
03:48.58slaxxersnippets   we need snippets
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03:49.16roolyTo be first specific and absolutely clear, the word Ć¢Ā€ĀœLouisianaĆ¢Ā€Ā when speaking about culture refers to everything south of the Interstate 10 highway, east of Lake Charles, and west of Florida.  
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04:21.19roolyBoudreaux looks up at him and smiles, Ć¢Ā€ĀœHey, devil, guess what? Good news! Seein' as hell is frozen over, it looks like the Saints finally won the Super Bowl!Ć¢Ā€Ā  
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04:30.40slaxxeropkg upgrade took me from 09122008 to 09172008
04:30.49roolyalright
04:30.50roolydone
04:30.53roolywant it slaxxer?
04:31.02roolyread-only, of course
04:31.09roolyi've gotta turn this in yesterday
04:31.22slaxxerwat is it
04:31.28slaxxeran essa
04:31.54slaxxerpaste.bin:)
04:31.54roolyyeah
04:32.12roolyhttp://irrlichtirc.g0dsoft.com/paste/201
04:32.33slaxxerhow much is copy/paste;)
04:32.58roolyhmm?
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04:35.41sledgeashello
04:36.37sledgeasi am getting this while wanting to install cacao-oj6-jre: cacao-oj6-jre: Depends: cacao-oj6-jre-headless (>= 6b11-1) but it is not going to be installed. And the constant error cause is this: cpp-4.3: Depends: gcc-4.3-base (= 4.3.1-9) but 4.3.2-1 is to be installed
04:36.52sledgeas(Debian, before and after tonight's apt-get update)
04:40.13slaxxerdamn those yankees
04:41.11roolylol
04:41.16roolyit's a state of mind
04:41.35roolynot everyone northerner is a yankee, and not every yankee is a northerner
04:41.47roolyit's just a way of thinking
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04:53.54sgroverI'm trying to get 2008.8 installed to an SD card.  When I boot from the SD card, it gets to the point where it is "starting kernel", then the screen flashes and I end up with a blank screen.  I need to pull the battery to recover from this.  Any tips?
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05:21.44ieatlintok, i have determined that the asus eeepc 702 8g is the most annoying fucking computer to flash a new bios to
05:21.45KenYoungUh, OK.
05:22.34ieatlintit requires you use format a usb flash drive or an sd card using windows to fat16 (yes, using mkfs.vfat -F16 will not work)
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05:51.19sledgeashi
05:51.27sledgeashow can i install java in Om2008.8 ?
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05:52.54hil__sledgeas: try build-package-jamvm
05:53.04hil__using the makefile.
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05:53.19hil__Sun Java SE isn't supported yet. you may try but I didn't haev any luck
05:53.28sledgeasopenjdk?
05:53.42sledgeasor jre
05:53.59hil__both.
05:54.54sledgeasi tried cacao and default-jvm on zhone, but my sd-card just couldn't seem to handle downloading files without getting them corrupted once on SD...
05:55.23hil__you can build on your pc using the makefile ... it's a small package ... in KBs
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05:56.40sledgeason my pc? i'm using gentoo
05:57.04sledgeasand opkg install build-package-jamvm writes An error ocurred, return value: 2.
05:58.53hil__:s
05:59.03hil__no, i mean build it using the openmoko build environment
05:59.09hil__have you tried openmoko makefile?
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06:00.52InfinyteWhat's the current recommended distro for basic daily phone use? :o
06:01.15sledgeashil__: got no time.. trying to follow https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko
06:01.32hil__alright. then try opkg install jamvm on your phone
06:01.42beni_someone familiar with the suspend process?
06:01.45hil__it needs classpath ... so you might want to install that too
06:01.58sledgeascacao is already depending on it and installing
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06:16.41InfinyteHow "Stable" is the latest "Stable"? :P
06:16.48InfinyteErr, of 2008.8
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06:18.39sledgeasthanks hil__, cacao works, but
06:18.49sledgeasin jave InetAddress local = InetAddress.getLocalHost(); this throws UnknownHostException
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06:21.01hil__well... haven't actually used java yet
06:21.04hil__so, can't say :)
06:21.49sledgeasok, i found something: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4665037 ;)
06:22.27hil__but that's sun's vm.
06:22.38hil__cacao doesn't depend on sun's implementation, does it
06:24.10sledgeasbut can be the same cause for the err
06:25.23hil__yeah
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06:33.40jreihi, anyone has experiance with syncronising contact and or calendar data with openmoko <-> evolution for example?
06:35.25InfinyteThere an easy way to get e17 on Debian on the Neo?
06:35.34rastercompile it!
06:35.35raster:)
06:37.30InfinyteI'm too dumb. :<
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06:45.58dbmoodb_Infinyte: what e does it have ?
06:46.15dbmoodb_jrei: yeah i just copied pasted my .ics from evolution for the 2007 release
06:47.34jreiĆÆĀ»Āædbmoodb_: so you just copied once, or do you use the publishing function of evolution? Or is there a way to realy sync data
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06:48.16InfinyteErr, it has e16.
06:48.23Hopscotchgood morning
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06:49.27dbmoodband debian experimental has ?
06:49.37methrilmorning
06:49.50jreihi
06:50.19jreithe qtopia image has some connection via KSyncAgent, right?
06:50.20InfinyteErr, I dunno. How would I check?
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06:53.46jreijuck, if i get it right qtopia sync agent is build for outlook. *shiver*
06:54.13InfinyteLooks like e16 also
06:56.19RedFlashhi, how can I update on 2007.11 (opkg update get errors; http://my-distribution.org/ is used as server)
07:01.34sgroverRedFlash: I'm working through an upgrade to 2008.8 right now...  here's some links that I'm finding helpful
07:01.36sgroverhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
07:01.53sgroverhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download
07:02.06sgroverhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pre-Flash_Backup
07:03.00sgroverWhat made it make sense for me was to start with the backup (last link), then go on to doing the flashing routine...  Using files found in the download area.
07:03.34sgroverother than that, I don't know how to change that server in the existing system (yet).
07:04.21jrei<PROTECTED>
07:04.31rwhitbyRedFlash: 2007.11?  You can't update that.
07:04.50rwhitbyyou can only reflash to something more recent
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07:24.37sgroverstupid question.  Just got 2008.8 installed/running.  Setting up Wifi.  How do I enter capital Letters using that keyboard???
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07:27.51XorA|holssgrover: slide up
07:27.53hil__sgrover: try dragging the keyboard up using the finger scroll thingy
07:28.06hil__yeah.. much better way to put it :)
07:30.28sgroverfinger scroll thingy??
07:30.42hil__you know.... the iPhone effect
07:30.44sgroverI see I can drag on the keyboard to "zoom" a little...
07:30.55sgrovernever used an iphone, or seen one.. :)
07:30.58hil__:)
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07:31.14hil__just slide your finger on the keyboard
07:32.01hil__from bottom to top
07:32.17sgroverno joy - that's just doing the zoom spotlight thing
07:32.58sgrovergot it... tempermental
07:33.15sgroverk.  Next stupid question.  How to backspace/delete? :)
07:33.56hil__now, here's a really stupid answer: never seen 2008.8.... I'm trying to build it right now and getting an error because xtscal needs kernel 2.6.21!!
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07:35.49sgrovergot it.. sliding the finger around on the keyboard does what I need... though that's gonna take a lot of getting used to
07:36.21leinirYou'll get used to it :)
07:36.31leinirit's very intuitive, you just have to unlearn some T9isms ;)
07:37.57sgroverI've tried to avoid the whole texting thing...  I'd rather just use a normal keyboard.. :)
07:38.11leinirHehe :)
07:38.21leiniri must say, T9 is a stroke of genious :)
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07:38.56Microtechnoif you can spell
07:39.25leinirWhen i switched from my non-T9 phone (audiovox somethingorother) to a Nokia 3210, my sms bill exploded :)
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07:39.46leinirWell, all things relative, i went from sending maybe one or two texts a month to one or two texts a day (i know, insane! ;) )
07:40.27Microtechnoanyone here from australia..?
07:40.56leinirWell yes, speelinks is good ;)
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07:42.46beni_someone familiar with the suspend process?
07:43.10beni_how is it triggered etc?
07:43.16beni_i cant find any docs about this
07:43.47sgroveranyone know where the wifi passphrase is stored?  The keyboard is just not doing it for me.
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07:47.33pabs3is there any way to upgrade qtopia installs without overwriting all the data?
07:48.20rwhitbyMicrotechno: yes, mate.
07:51.06XorA|holssees the proprietry handshake start between two Aussies :-D
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07:53.14Microtechnorwhitby, just wondering if there is an aussy irc channel or anything
07:53.29rwhitbyMicrotechno: nope, we just hassle the yanks here
07:53.37Microtechnoah
07:53.40rwhitbythere's an oz-moko mailing list ..
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07:53.57Microtechnobecause i was wondering how i can get a phone in the near future, an i am on the list
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08:12.07sgroverRunning 2008.8.  ssh'd into the freerunner.  How do I set the name resolution for it?  just add /etc/resolv.conf?
08:12.14sgroverdoesn't exist right now.
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08:15.25pabs3sgrover: yeah, should work as long as yr routing is all good
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08:20.01sgroverpabs3: thanks.  now I can look at adding some packages...
08:20.45sgroveranyone know of a better wifi manager that works with wpa?
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08:56.57neldorethbernt: are you here?
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09:51.09Davemoko moko moko
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09:52.45Daveraster :)
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09:58.00Davenordmenn!
09:58.25Daramarakhva med nordmenn?
09:58.45Daramarak;)
10:01.23Dave:P
10:01.27Davedu!
10:01.42Davehvordan gƃĀ„r det? :P
10:02.07Daramarakjoda bare bra.
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10:04.07Dave:]
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10:04.44Wonkahar du ƃĀøl?
10:04.51DaveWONKA
10:05.10Dave:D
10:06.19Wonkaand that's about all the danish i know
10:06.33Daveyeah, I don't speak Danish
10:06.41Davepesky Danes
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10:06.58DaveWonka, good think you speak more important things, like python :P
10:07.06Tujui just got my first freerunner! :)
10:07.19WonkaTuju: congrats.
10:08.00WonkaTuju: I recommend you backup the 2007.2 on it before you flash something other - I wanted it back.
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10:08.12Wonka2008.8 was horrible.
10:08.27TujuWonka: ah, i assume that there are instructions somewhere?
10:08.40Tujuis 2008.8 already qt based?
10:09.11Wonkahttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup
10:09.24OpenRaigedasi still did not get my freerunner :(((
10:09.37Tujuthanks wonka :)
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10:09.48OpenRaigedaswaiting for about 3 weeks already...
10:10.10Graf_Ithakahi there :)
10:10.39DaramarakI am expecting mine one of these days
10:10.47OpenRaigedasi tried to contact pulster.de by phone yesterday, but.. i got to talk with answering machine
10:11.03OpenRaigedasand they do not answer to my email..
10:11.15DaramarakCan't wait to start fighting the bugs on 2008
10:11.18OpenRaigedasi am really concerned a little bit already..
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10:11.50OpenRaigedasDaramarak, did you order at pulster.de?
10:11.55Daramarakyep
10:11.55Tujui took my nokia770 tablet stylus, this shipped one is.... well, if i needed a map rod, i'd have ordered one. :-/
10:12.02Wonkamy FR from pulster arrived about a week before the expected date of dispatch...
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10:13.25OpenRaigedasok, then i have to assume that pulster is a trustworthy dealer and he really shipped my FR at august 28 as he said..
10:13.48OpenRaigedasbut it is sad that shipping takes so long..
10:14.28OpenRaigedasalready 3 weeks instead of 3 days.. and it still not arrived yet...
10:15.20igor321they toldy they shipped it?
10:15.25igor321*told you
10:16.07Tujui recommned that you use trisoft, the other german supplier caused problems to me.
10:16.30OpenRaigedason august 28 they wrote me: "good news, your parcel is ready and we will shipp it today"
10:16.39igor321really?
10:16.43OpenRaigedasthat was last time i heard from them
10:16.45igor321where do you live?
10:16.55OpenRaigedaslithuania
10:17.08igor321that's really weird
10:17.13igor321send em an email
10:17.22OpenRaigedasreally weird :(
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10:17.42TujuOpenRaigedas: for me he promised a tenpack with quranteed deliver time from upcoming batch, but then when it arrived, he told me that 'your delivery will come from next batch after a 1ƂĀ½ month, thank you very much.'
10:17.43OpenRaigedasi sent two emails and no answer..
10:18.09Dave:p
10:18.10TujuOpenRaigedas: and i paid 1k euros in advance to make it really happen in time.
10:18.56OpenRaigedas:(((
10:18.57Daveheh
10:19.16Tujutrisoft rocks, they even mail you a video about the packing :D
10:19.17Daveaugust? that was a month ago
10:19.39OpenRaigedasaugust 28
10:20.25DaramarakThey say allow typically 3 days for shipping. Lithuania cannot be that far from Germany?
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10:20.40Tujuthere is poland in between....
10:20.43OpenRaigedasreally not war
10:20.50OpenRaigedasnot far
10:20.51OpenRaigedas:))))0
10:20.54Tujumy pack sat there like two days or more. :)
10:20.58igor321it's 1 or 2 days for whole europe
10:21.05Tujuigor321: one week.
10:21.17Tujuground delivery.
10:21.32igor321doesn't say so on the DHL page that pulster linked
10:21.42Tujumine was ups.
10:21.43igor321in the email they sent me
10:22.00Tujujust got my delivery an ƂĀ½hour ago, i know what i'm talking.
10:22.07igor321Tuju: ah, okay :)
10:23.33Tujuhow do you *close* apps in this phone?
10:23.43OpenRaigedasdoes DHL have any tracking?
10:23.57Tujugets the feeling that something is wrong with the ui design
10:24.03TujuOpenRaigedas: of course they have.
10:24.41OpenRaigedasso pulster should have gave me address for tracking..
10:25.20Tujuor tracking number, but he didn't probably send you anything else than promises, so you might not have one?
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10:25.32OpenRaigedasi guess so
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10:25.38Tujutrisoft.de
10:26.07DaramarakTuju: I have seen several asking the same thing, so closing apps is not intuitive
10:26.08OpenRaigedasTuju, i have already payed him..
10:26.26TujuDaramarak: you claim that it can be done? :)
10:26.33TujuOpenRaigedas: ask your money back.
10:27.22DaramarakI think it was with the power button
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10:27.38OpenRaigedasDaramarak, and where do you live?
10:27.38Tuju'you will need dfu-util to make a backup from existing image' -  it must be installed?
10:27.52Tujuperhaps i hose this whole crap and start with qt based.
10:28.05DaramarakNorway
10:29.08OpenRaigedascould you write me an email when you receive your FR from pulster? ;)
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10:29.28DaveNorge \o/
10:29.39Davehaha, tuna
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10:35.36data_jeppAnyone got other server for qtopia packages then the default one?
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10:40.33Tujualso that 'pressing power button to close apps' sucks when the button is so close the usb cable that it makes it hard to press.
10:41.17DaveIndeed
10:41.26DaveYou must be describing 2008 :P
10:41.41Tujunope, this is the shipped firmware.
10:41.56Davehuh?
10:42.06DaveAre you referring to 2007.2? o.O
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10:44.20Daramarakclosing with powerbutton must be wrong, no one gets it
10:44.48Tujuwhen it's the only thing done outside the screen.
10:45.12Tujuthe question is, how to get rid of this software?
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10:45.23Tujuhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
10:45.55Daramarakboth 2007 and 2008 has that.
10:46.11DaveWhat the hell are you people talking about?
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10:48.34Davehaha, qtopia still does ddc
10:50.25viqGnutoo: so, what about that SSL guide? ;)
10:51.03Gnutooviq, done at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtmail
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10:51.33Gnutooviq, this howto need to be improved...
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10:53.31viqok, thanks
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10:55.42Davestupid tuna
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10:56.36DrRabbit:P
10:56.51DaveSilly Rabbit, Openmoko's for kids!
10:56.53DrRabbithttp://supertunaman.com/prof_lepus/flv/
10:57.16DaveI'll pass on your flash crap, Professor.
10:57.16DrRabbitthere's an mpg in .. from there, but it's very low quality
10:57.34DrRabbitit's basically a furry pedophile dentist hting.
10:57.36DrRabbitthing
10:57.37reethi everyone
10:57.39Daveo_O
10:57.47DaveLow quality eh? Sounds like it belongs on the intarwebs.
10:57.56DrRabbit:P
10:58.11reetI'm running debian on freerunner
10:58.16DaveCongratulations.
10:58.19reetand have some probs with fso-gps
10:58.28Daveoh great
10:58.35Dave-_-
10:58.55reetit shows many sats but never actually uses one ...
10:59.12reetDEBUG: SatellitesChanged(index=8, prn=9, used=FALSE, elevation=11, azimuth=148, snr=0)
10:59.15reet...
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10:59.25reetany idea what the problem could be?
11:00.38reet/org/freedesktop/Gypsy: GetTime ->  0
11:00.53reet/org/freedesktop/Gypsy: GetFixStatus ->  1
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11:11.40DaveGypsies?
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11:13.38Tig|where?
11:16.28DaveTig :P
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11:20.11Davefailmoko
11:21.23DaveI think I need to go on another tyrade on the hw-ml.
11:21.36Jetiwhy?
11:21.44DaveThat, and slap Sean around with some various large fish.
11:22.22Daveperhaps a macral, or a grouper
11:22.23Dave:p
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11:33.41DaveMore jiggawatts!
11:33.55ShleeMore cowbell!
11:33.58Dave:D
11:34.01DaveMoo
11:37.31Davecowmoko
11:37.31Davemoomoko!
11:38.06ShleeI'm eatting some opencowko right now..
11:38.21Shleemmmm freestakes
11:39.42leiniropenmoocow
11:40.19Dave:D
11:40.29DaveLEINIR!!!
11:40.39leinircurtsies "Sir" :)
11:40.40Davetightens leinir's collar
11:40.46leinirMeep!
11:40.55DaveIt's got a nice big bell on it :P
11:41.00Dave;)
11:41.06DaveThat way I know when you're coming! ;)
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11:43.42leinirNah, it's just a metal tag :)
11:43.46leinirIt jingles a bit ;)
11:44.34DaveIndeed.
11:44.44Davejiggles leinir a bit
11:44.50leinir*giggles* :)
11:45.23Davewhee :)
11:46.15Daveties a freerunner around leinir's neck
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11:59.14OpenRaigedaseventually i received an answer from pulster to my third email inquery..
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11:59.32OpenRaigedashe emailed me some scanned document
11:59.38OpenRaigedashttp://raigedas.info/temp/fr.jpg
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11:59.48Davewhy are you showing us? because you are sad?
11:59.56Daveand want help getting your freerunner faster?
12:00.01Graf_Ithakacu
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12:00.19OpenRaigedasdoes this look real or fake?
12:01.16OpenRaigedasproblem that everything is in german and i hardly understand anything
12:01.30Dave:D
12:01.39OpenRaigedasi even cannot find tracking number
12:01.39Daveapt summon a german
12:01.40aptapt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing a german's coordinates
12:01.48Dave:D
12:02.19Daveraigedas, well then you've come to the right place, since this channel is around 50% german :P
12:02.32OpenRaigedasit supposed to be below o above barcode.. but i cannot see any barcode
12:03.11Daveo_O
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12:09.32Davesmirks in leinir's general direction
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12:11.11DaveHello Mr. Shlee
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12:18.00DaveDie Deutschen!
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12:22.41jreiis there any eft sample appication that could be used for further application development.
12:22.47beni_Dave: was ist mit denen?
12:22.56Tig|OpenRaigedas: are you after the barcode number?
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12:23.32DaveOpenRaigedas: GO GO GO!
12:24.06Tig|OpenRaigedas: I think it might be :  67.348 048.783 3
12:24.20Tig|as it is in the box marked barcode :)
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12:24.29OpenRaigedasTig|, yes, i am searching for barcode number.
12:24.46Tig|and I think that is the shipping number too
12:25.17OpenRaigedasi tried to enter this 67348.. but dhl rejected it..
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12:25.37Tig|that is because it is not DHL
12:25.44Tig|it is deutsche post
12:25.49Dave:P
12:25.52Davedouche
12:26.11Daveopenraigedas: DENIED!
12:27.46OpenRaigedashell.. really it is "deutsche post"
12:28.10OpenRaigedasbut pulster wrote: thanks for asking about your order. We shipped it with DHL Germany. It is a airmail-parcel which is insured against damage and loss. Reception has to be signed.
12:28.22OpenRaigedasand he gave me url to dhl
12:28.31Tig|whoops :)
12:28.53jreidhl is the parcel service of "deutsche post"
12:29.07OpenRaigedasou...
12:30.04mjrhmm...
12:30.10jreiand I didn't get any mail, damnit. Me wants my phone!
12:30.21mjrHmm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/ "# Nokia is now Gold Sponsor of Linux Foundation, has contributed code today for 3G/HSPA cellular (data) connectivity for OMAP3 to Linux kernel"
12:30.50mjrwonder if that could be gta04-relevant...
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12:32.07sprite_tmHi ppl.
12:32.17sprite_tmAny idea why freesmartphone.org is down?
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12:33.06Davepancakes!
12:33.07jreimaybe struc by a windows controled plane
12:33.18Davejrei :P
12:33.28sprite_tmDamn, these Windows-controlled planes are everywhere :/
12:33.43sprite_tmEven in Germany if I follow the traces correctly.
12:34.46jreiif I don't want to develop an ugly gray GTK application for the openmoko where can i find some examples?
12:35.09sprite_tmI was just having the day off, so I reserved it for making a nice opencellid-daemon, and now my main api reference is dead :/
12:35.11jreior is it possible to load a different scin
12:35.13jreiskin
12:35.28sprite_tmAnyone got a backup of the freesmartphone.org api files then?
12:35.43Davejrei :D
12:35.54Tig|jrei: there is a gtk theme to skin it like 2007.2
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12:36.12Daveif you want that :P
12:36.16jreihm
12:36.23jreii like black
12:36.44jreianyone has an eft example?
12:37.09Dave:P
12:37.15Davetry harlem
12:41.42Davemoo
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12:52.17Davepokes mwester
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12:54.02Daveheh
12:54.04Davepoor guy
12:54.31Daveopenmoko must seem pretty disappointing
12:54.52torindelyawns at Dave
12:54.57DaveHallo :]
12:55.01torindelhey
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13:00.14ArigeadHello All, Looking into Java Micro Edition on the FR the wiki mentions PhoneME but doesn't have any into apart from the PhoneME WEbsite anybody know a status?
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13:55.16Davehmm
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13:59.49ptitjeshi
14:00.32ptitjesI have what I think is a stupid problem some surely had before... Can someone help me ?
14:01.13ptitjesI build an asu image correctly for gta01 and make flash-qemu-local
14:01.40ptitjesIt flashes (I assume) correctly as there is no errors (see http://pastebin.com/d5a78ce0b)
14:02.01ptitjesbut then when I make run-qemu I only have a single boot entry
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14:02.44ptitjesand when I select it it says :
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14:02.47ptitjes<PROTECTED>
14:03.04ptitjes'kernel' is not a number
14:03.15ptitjesWrong Image Format for bootm command
14:03.26ptitjesERROR: Can't get kernel image
14:03.34ptitjes:(
14:03.51ptitjesI con't know what I've done wrong
14:04.03ptitjess/con't/don't
14:04.12ptitjessomeone can help ?
14:04.48Dave:\
14:05.40ptitjesno idea ?
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14:13.09ptitjesdoes someone use u-boot 1.3.2-moko12 ??
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14:24.33ptitjesplease can someone review my flashing ? (http://pastebin.com/d1e442416)
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14:28.28ptitjeswhat is this : mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts' ?
14:33.34Daveo.O
14:34.08ptitjesDave: ??
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14:35.39spydonHave anyone got any problems ssh:ing into the phone after opkg update && opkg upgrade it lately?
14:36.50ptitjesDave: I tried to understand what openmoko.org wiki says about NAND, NOR, u-boot but I can't understand anything...
14:37.24ptitjesI'm just a newbye so if you can point me to an overview about those things for an idiot, please do!
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14:38.48DaveDaMaestro
14:39.15Daveptitjes what's wrong with the Getting Started With your neo freerunner page?
14:39.26DaveFurthermore, are you using a GTA02 or GTA01, or qemu?
14:39.28Davethat much was unclear to me
14:39.37ptitjesqemu
14:40.03DaveAh, okay :)
14:40.11Davetrying to flash the qemu image?
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14:44.42DaveDaMaestro: ssh
14:44.44Dave:P
14:45.03ptitjesDave: yes
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14:45.29ptitjesI build openmoko-asu-image with MACHINE="om-gta01"
14:45.47ptitjesand made flash-qemu-local
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14:51.30Davehmm
14:51.35Daveptitjes: did it work?
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14:53.04ptitjesit seems to have worked as there was no error (see http://pastebin.com/d1e442416)
14:54.36ptitjesbut then running qemu shows only one item in the boot menu "Boot" (which btw show a pinguin logo - not the one I had when I first run qemu)
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15:22.18viqGnutoo: where did you find that c_rehash?
15:22.33Gnutooviq, on my distro...
15:22.41Gnutooi'll look in which package it is
15:22.46viqWhich is? And in which location?
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15:23.38Gnutoogentoo
15:23.53Gnutooand it runs on a laptop not on my phone
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15:24.10viqheh
15:26.28Gnutoodev-libs/openssl-0.9.8g-r2 (/usr/bin/c_rehash)
15:26.36Gnutooviq, do you want me to pastebin it to you? it's a perl script
15:27.31viqI found it
15:27.31toggles_whmm, so how do you configure gestures? once it's trained how do you tell it what to do when yuo "shake-shake" ?
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15:27.46Gnutoohttp://pastebin.com/m7867b0d2
15:27.47Gnutoook
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15:37.53bipaktoggles_w: i think you need to code that by your self into gesl.c
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15:47.00AlecTBMhello
15:47.03Gnutoodoes remoko work on 2008.8? because i have HID create error 77 (File descriptor in bad state) on my laptop
15:47.41AlecTBMI have a problem with the dailer on qtopia 4.3.3, or the keypad when you are calling
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15:48.36AlecTBMIt is imposible to hit the numbers
15:49.49AlecTBMso when I am calling my bank, and trying to type my account number, I just get a timeout because the keypad dont work
15:49.58AlecTBManyone that have a solution?
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15:58.08TanuvaAlecTBM: there's no solution to that yet, in none of the stacks. but it's scheduled at least for fsom4 afaik
15:58.24AlecTBMHmm
15:58.27AlecTBMokey
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15:58.46AlecTBMI just have to wait then ;)
15:59.10lunarteareveryone enjoying their phones?
15:59.14lunartear:(
15:59.16lunartearlol
15:59.21AlecTBMYes :)
16:00.02lunartearwish i had one
16:00.36AlecTBMhehe
16:01.21ptitjesluneartear: the same - thought i would have got it this week but... :(
16:01.59ptitjesone month to wait so... trying to run qemu
16:02.16dolf1074is qemu already in better state?
16:02.30AlecTBMhehe, enjoy
16:02.34dolf1074because a month ago, it was flashing the wrong images
16:04.38rockstarIs the antenna jack on the side of the Freerunner for GPS, GSM, or wireless?
16:04.48AlecTBMGPS
16:05.43ptitjesdolf1074: I don't know - I succeeded flashing it but u-boot says my kernel is in "Wrong Image Format"
16:07.01dolf1074downloaded the wrong imageS?
16:07.11AlecTBMrockstar: Yes it is to the GPS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Buttons_and_connectors
16:07.29ptitjesbuild openmok-asu-image myself successfully
16:07.48dolf1074then I don't know
16:07.59dolf1074it's to long ago, I used qemu
16:08.41ptitjesdolf1074: do you know where I could find a asu with updates image that could run on qemu ?
16:08.54sicuhey! anyone here applied the invisibleSHIELD to their FR ?
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16:09.21sicuhow do you get the side-flaps thingies to stick ... ?
16:09.30dolf1074you can just look at the downloads page on the wiki. And replace the images that qemu normally use with these
16:09.57dolf1074(ps: only gta01 works, or you have to patch your qemu)
16:11.43rockstarAlecTBM, know where I might be able to get an antenna for it?
16:11.54AlecTBMhmm
16:12.29AlecTBMcant be soo hard to find out
16:12.30AlecTBM2 sek
16:12.32ptitjesdolf1074: they only provide images for the gta02
16:13.16dolf1074then you will have to patch your qemu, but I have tried that, but that wasn't very well documented and I failed
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16:13.49rockstarAlecTBM, well, the GPS doesn't seem to be working, so I thought an antenna might help.
16:14.20AlecTBMhave you tried standing outeside with clear sky?
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16:14.40ptitjesi don't understand why flashing succeeds but booting does not
16:15.11dolf1074maybe because you compiled for gta02
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16:15.13rockstarAlecTBM, yea, just did for about 15
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16:15.27AlecTBMrockstar: or you kan try cat /dev/tty/SAC1
16:15.28ptitjesno I compiled it for om-gta01
16:15.44bipak/dev/ttySAC1
16:15.46bipak;)
16:15.57rockstarAlecTBM, ah, the wiki says its /dev/ttySAC1
16:15.59dolf1074ptitjes: then I don't know
16:16.05AlecTBMbipak: thanks ;)
16:16.10rockstarbipak, oh, so it is correct.
16:16.14bipakyap
16:16.33AlecTBMyeah, I just write without thinking sometimes ;)
16:16.44AlecTBMit is /dev/ttySAC1
16:17.10Graf_Ithakais there a good tutorial on how to create enligthenment themes? every reference I found so far has been very short and its quite heavy to try to understand the syntax by reading it ;)
16:17.13ptitjesmaybe my u-boot is broken ?
16:17.16bipakis it known that "iteractive calls" don't work?
16:17.25bipakinteractive
16:17.51ptitjesI asked here if someone also uses u-boot 1.3.2rc2 but nobody answered...
16:17.53bipakso navigate through the menu of a hotline with pressing numbers.. (2008.8-update)
16:18.02rockstarGraf_Ithaka, talk to Toma in #e  He's the themin' man
16:18.14Graf_Ithakarockstar: oke thanks :)
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16:19.23AlecTBMrockstar: you need a antenna with MMCX connector
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16:19.40AlecTBMhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_GPS_antennas#Neo_FreeRunner
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16:45.35slaxxerSO I DID OPKG UPGRADE TO fdom  AN IT MOVED UP TO THE 17th  
16:45.41slaxxersorry
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16:50.50Gnutooanyone for my remoko bluetooth problem?
16:50.54bipakhow can i send DTMF tones with 2008.8? is it even possible?
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17:04.58Gnutooanyone...how do i make remoko work...i've been trying it for several hours
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17:06.13slaxxerdoes the freerunner support class 6 microsd cards or class 4?
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17:07.17zashas in?
17:08.00wurp2|workingslaxxer: I've never heard anyone mention either, so I would guess both :-)
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17:08.51slaxxerhttp://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-MicroSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B000SMVQK8/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1221671278&sr=8-1
17:09.08zashif class 6 is HC, then afaik yes
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17:31.00jadamsis 2008.8 ever going to work on gta01 / does it now?  I know it didn't in the past
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17:38.39Gnutoohow do i make remoko work???
17:38.48Gnutool2ping works but not hidd
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18:08.02PyrasiSo i took the debian install off of my microsd card, but i cant seem to get the nand u-boot to stop trying to boot from sd card by default....i tried reflashing the u-boot but the patch doesnt seem to get erased
18:08.10Pyrasianyone know how to go about this?
18:09.20berntdo you have an entry to boot from flash?
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18:10.24berntPyrasi: do you have an entry to boot from flash?
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18:13.03dos1hmm
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18:13.22dos1is on http://planet.openmoko.org/ allowed bloging in non-english languages?
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18:14.20dos1it looks like yes, so we have polish openmoko planet, it can be added :)
18:14.23Pyrasibernt:  Yes
18:14.37Pyrasibernt: I have the entry to do that, but i would like it to be the default again
18:15.19Pyrasiwhenever i reboot, if im not holding down the buttons to goto a boot menu it tries the sd card by default.....which has no kernel so i get a kernel panic and have to pull the battery
18:15.21Pyrasireally a pain
18:15.26ieatlintfreaky pols
18:17.21berntPyrasi: so you can do the commands from this entry to the global boot... variables and save then environment
18:18.19Pyrasihow do you modify the global boot vars?
18:19.28ieatlintyou can modify them on a computer and flash them to the openmoko, use the uboot console (when in uboot prompt, you can connect to it over a serial console through the usb cable)
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18:19.33dos1Pyrasi: from u-boot serial console
18:19.35dos1usb
18:19.52ieatlintand in theory, you can change them from within a booted os -- or at least, i've done it on other uboot systems
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18:26.25DaveLINT
18:26.53ieatlinthey dave
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18:29.19Dave:D
18:29.27DaveLint, about to step on another bus :p
18:29.45Davewish I had cflate working on a freerunner :P
18:30.04ieatlinthah, i pushed some updates yesterday... taking a break for a week probably
18:30.11ieatlintworking on another project
18:30.22Davebah
18:30.24Davefine!
18:30.27Davebe that way :P
18:30.37Daveyou'd think you had enough sanity to go around...
18:30.37ieatlinthey, if you want to write something, go right ahead
18:30.43DaveMAYBE I WILL
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18:30.55ieatlinti have a list of ideas i want to work on :)
18:30.59ieatlintbeyond buses
18:31.06Daveoh snap
18:31.12Davespace travel?
18:31.23ieatlintno, that was so 1960s...
18:31.30Davemaybe I'll write a decent application though
18:31.31Lo-lan-doQuick idea, inspired by a cow-like decal I got onto my Nintendo DS...
18:31.47DaveWhat?
18:31.53Lo-lan-doSomebody *please* code a quick cow-box with the Freerunner's accelerometers!
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18:32.12ieatlintyeah, i've heard it suggested :P
18:32.31ieatlintwhy don't you code it?
18:32.41ieatlintyou could do it in python pretty easily
18:33.33Lo-lan-doI'm currently busy with 900 raw photos I need to sort and touch up and select, because I promised my newlywed friends I'd do it before I'm going on holiday in less than a month.
18:34.10DaveLolando, working on it!
18:34.18DaveI initially suggested it with Ainulindale
18:34.27Davemood will be the daemon responsible for handling it
18:34.30Dave:)
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18:34.42ieatlintit needs a daemon?
18:34.49Davelo-lan-do, 900 photos? you better get crackin' then
18:34.57Daveieatlint, sure, it can unnecessarily have one!
18:35.04Daveyou got to admit it's a pretty catchy name :p
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18:35.37ieatlintmakes me all nostalgic about the old gentoo logo
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18:36.15sevenhundredwhat the FAQ is a cow box?
18:36.19Davehaw
18:36.27Davehe means a moo box
18:36.34Davethe thing you turn over and it moos :D
18:36.44DaveI have one, it's a childhood toy.
18:36.48Lo-lan-doOh, and here I was thinking moo-box would be too literal a translation from French.
18:36.55Dave:D
18:36.56ieatlintDave, use larry the cow graphics
18:37.01Davehah!
18:37.09Daveoh man, why didn't I think of that!
18:37.19DaveI could do a quick accels. app which uses apt-get moo
18:37.22sevenhundredhas obviously missed something as a kid
18:37.28Daveas a quick 'n dirtay console based test app
18:37.38Dave700: probably too much :p
18:37.57sevenhundredsounds cool though :D
18:38.16ieatlintfinding the audio clip and having a working audio output method are the only hard parts :P
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18:38.34Daveieatlint, meh
18:38.40Davethey seem to have worked themselves out
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18:38.46Davehonestly, the accels is that hardest part I'd say
18:38.52Daveit's still pretty sketchy on some distros
18:39.08Daveand you wouldn't want your device unnecessarily mooing under false pretences
18:39.18Davewell, reported positional values, anyway ;p
18:39.34dos1Dave: maybe look at accelges
18:39.38ieatlintthe accelerometers are going to become an issue...
18:39.43Daveno
18:39.45ieatlinti mean, in general
18:39.47dos1Dave: or gta02.py
18:39.48Daveyes
18:39.56Davedos: thanks, been there, modified that :)
18:39.56dos1Dave: sorry, no accelges
18:39.58dos1i mean accelgame
18:40.29sevenhundredmaybe I should make a tamagotchi app >:D no wait that's stupid
18:40.34DaveOH WAIT
18:40.38DaveI'VE ALREADY DONE IT! :D
18:40.44Gnutoohello, does remoko work on om2008.8?
18:40.49DaveMaybe I should port it to moko, and people would like it!
18:41.10sevenhundredDave: a tamagotchi?
18:41.12Daveyeah
18:41.13slaxxerFDOM has remoko installed
18:41.15sevenhundredXD
18:41.20DaveI wrote an app for that a while back on PC
18:41.29Davethen wrote a linux desklets plugin
18:41.43Daveso you could have it in the taskbar or desktop as yet another stupid think
18:41.45Davething
18:41.50sevenhundredway to waste the batteries XD
18:41.52Daveyet the moko seems an ideal platform
18:41.53Davehell yeah!
18:41.56sevenhundredoh man
18:42.00Davewell that's the really sad part
18:42.03DaveThey don't last that long
18:42.04sevenhundredxeyes, anyone?
18:42.09Daveso your guy might be prone to dying
18:42.11ieatlintthat wouldn't much battery
18:42.18Davelint, waste, no
18:42.20ieatlintuse much
18:42.27Davebut the device itself has horrible battery life
18:42.28dos1tamagotchi? great idea :D
18:42.40DaveFine, I'll try to find my code then
18:42.48DaveI've done several versions of it
18:42.52sevenhundredIf only Creatures was free
18:42.59DaveI wonder if anyone else would be interested in getting it on moko
18:43.01Daveheh
18:43.10Daveno, what you need is ones that interact
18:43.32DaveMore Freerunner on Freerunner action?
18:43.38Davesounds pretty hot ;p
18:43.40ieatlintDave, get tie fighter working on the FR and i'll pay you money :P
18:43.46Davehaha
18:43.51Dave|-o-|
18:43.54ieatlintit's qvga and dos based... :)
18:43.55sevenhundredhey, with wifi and gps OM users' tamagotchis could interact
18:43.57toggles_wor lightsabre noises
18:43.59Lo-lan-doPlease announce on the ML when mood is released :-)
18:44.05toggles_wthey would be worth money
18:44.07dos1ieatlint: i'm writing it
18:44.08Daveieatlint, oh snap
18:44.09Dave:p
18:44.14Lo-lan-doplunges back into F-Spot and UFRaw
18:44.24ieatlintwriting it?
18:44.25Dave700 that just sounds wrong, but true, yes they could
18:44.27dos1i have accelerometer and sounds part
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18:44.36ieatlintoh, light sabers?
18:44.41Daveit's bad too because I'd have a murderous creature army in notime
18:44.44ieatlinti mean the tie fighter game from like 1993
18:44.45dos1knives ;]
18:44.51Davestabby-stabby?
18:44.54spydonoops I deleted /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so from my 2008.8, can anyone send me a new one? :P
18:45.01Davehaw
18:45.06Davesmooth
18:46.07dos1heh
18:46.27dos1but i have beginings of MokoFight game :x
18:46.58dos1it needs to be able to communicate with other freerunner
18:47.09dos1but rest is done i think
18:47.11sevenhundredDave: wrong? that's what they said about flourescent mice, too ;P
18:47.12ieatlintdos1, will it communicate with other mokos over bt so when they both swing, it makes a clang noise?
18:47.59ieatlintsevenhundred, i agree, far too few things flouresce
18:48.02dos1ieatlink: something like that
18:48.14dos1ieatlint: and with HPs etc.
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18:48.34dos1http://openmoko.opendevice.org/mokofight/
18:48.38dos1;]
18:48.41ieatlinti wish the openmoko had ir
18:48.47ieatlintthat would be a lot of fun
18:48.58ieatlinttv-b-gone apps and the like
18:48.59dos1if you want to try what is actually written, i will give you link
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18:49.32ieatlintperhaps later, my phones are in disarray
18:49.32dos1(and sorry for my english, i think you noticed that it isn't perfect :D)
18:49.54dos1main problem is - i don't have second freerunner
18:50.24ieatlintyou're too self conscious, i know a lot of americans whose english is far worse than yours... which is a depressing fact, i suppose
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18:53.20Dave:D
18:53.47ieatlintshut your pie hole
18:54.09Daveit's already closed
18:54.23Dave:D <-- does this look like an INSERT PIE face?
18:54.27ieatlintgives dave pie
18:54.31Dave\o/
18:54.35ieatlinthah, now what are you going to do?
18:54.39Davedos1, what do you speak anyway? german?
18:54.46Daveieatlint, oh, nothing ;)
18:55.04dos1Dave: polish ;]
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18:55.26sprite_tmEvening ppl.
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18:55.31sprite_tm(At least, it's evening here)
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18:55.48ieatlintwhy are polish adjectives and nouns so hilarious in english?
18:55.51sprite_tmDoes anyone perhaps know if org.freesmartphone.Phone is usable yet?
18:55.53Daveoh -_-
18:55.59Daveieatlint, yeah!
18:56.00ieatlint"so i was driving in my car and hit a pol.."
18:56.01sprite_tm(specialized question, I know)
18:56.02bumblwhere to get the latest kernel
18:56.07Davehahahaha
18:56.14Daveow
18:56.19bumbli might be blind but i don't find it
18:56.28Davedid you check the Distributions page?
18:56.33Daveor Latest_Images
18:57.01jadamsis 2008.8 ever going to work on gta01 / does it now?  I know it didn't in the past
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18:57.39Davejadams!
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18:57.56bumblah they renamed it
18:58.08Davebumble - surprise!
18:58.13ieatlintjadams, is it ever going to work at all is a better question
18:58.18ieatlintperhaps in 2009? :P
18:58.33sprite_tmieatlint: We'd be just like Microsoft then :X
19:00.08ieatlintsprite_tm, if the dev community switched all its effort from getting the product to work to installing DRM, then perhaps...
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19:01.06ieatlintwhich i think we should look into, actually
19:01.16ieatlintwe could put in meaningless restrictions
19:01.17sprite_tmdrm?
19:01.22sprite_tmOeh, cool.
19:01.24Dave:D
19:01.33Daveblah
19:01.38sevenhun1redI don't think we need to add antifeatures just yet :p
19:01.44sevenhun1redI mean...
19:01.48sprite_tmCan't we just double-rot13 all SMS-messages, and then sue everyone who reads one under the DMCA?
19:01.51Davewe're going to release OpenMoko '95 soon
19:01.55Davethe way things are going
19:01.59sevenhun1redwe'd need features first
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19:02.02Davewe'll be lucky to reach 1998 soon
19:02.16ieatlintlike the digits of your operator id when added together must equal the 3rd, 5th, or 9th digit of your phones IMEI number to work
19:02.27DaveThat reminds me, I want to install Netscape 3.1 on my freerunner.
19:02.41sprite_tmAaaah, that's why all distro's still run the UI as root: to be as Win9x-like as possible!
19:02.52Davehaha
19:02.57DaveIt's a trap!
19:02.58ieatlintsprite_tm, no, that was my idea
19:03.09jadamsmeh, debian installs on the neo now
19:03.15ieatlintthis way, i can write applications that secretly call pay-numbers i set up
19:03.31sprite_tmNice. A botnet of OpenMokos!
19:03.45sevenhun1redthat'd be neat
19:04.12sprite_tmAnd incompatible with my phone, my ui runs under an user account, as God intended :P
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19:04.39sevenhun1redmy phone would be assimilated :)
19:05.06sprite_tmMmm, I can't do the ass part, but simulating your phone shouldn't be that hard indeed.
19:05.30ieatlintsprite_tm, congrats
19:05.31Daveieatlint, thinking upon your triangle scheme again?
19:05.32Dave:p
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19:05.43sevenhun1redI'm sure there's plenty of asses in here :D
19:05.44ieatlintsprite_tm, but is dbus configured to only allow trusted applications to make calls?
19:05.54ieatlintor did you just leave the default open permissions in place...
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19:06.14sprite_tmieatlint: Errrmmmmmmm....
19:06.18ieatlint:)
19:06.24sprite_tmdoes a quick ssh into its phone....
19:06.34sprite_tmHmm, where does one set that up?
19:06.43ieatlinti haven't a clue
19:06.55Davehaha
19:06.58Daveevillint
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19:07.12Davetorikun!
19:07.15ieatlintbut if zhone can make phone calls on your debian install, then my get-rich-quick idea will still work
19:07.17sprite_tmAh, fsck that, I'll probably run only my own apps and apps I've looked through the source on my phone.
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19:07.27TorikunDave: !
19:07.35sprite_tmBesides, my trusty gsm-tray-app will tell me if there's a phone call going on.
19:07.41DaveIt's also a great way to get-in-jail-quick
19:07.42Dave:p
19:08.09ieatlintDave, would it really be illegal?
19:08.49sprite_tmProbably. Dialers are illegal too in most countries, so I wouldn't know why a rogue app wouldn't be.
19:08.54Daveyes
19:08.57Daveand no
19:09.03Daveit wouldn't be, but you might certainly get got
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19:09.10Daveespecially if your LUG caught on :p
19:09.17sprite_tm:P
19:09.24ieatlinti dunno...
19:09.27sprite_tmGet out the LARTs :P
19:09.35DaveI'd totally publicly stone you with freerunners
19:09.42ieatlinti'll put it in the user agreement
19:09.45Daveit seems like a just beating
19:09.48Daveyeah I know you would
19:09.54Davebut still, you are defrauding them
19:10.00Daveeven if you tell them
19:10.03Davedude, this is america
19:10.07ieatlint"This application may periodically make phone calls, and any and all costs or fees incurred are the responsibility of the end user"
19:10.16Davedude someone will read it
19:10.23Daveso by the way, the fact that I know...
19:10.26ieatlintDave, have you seen linux geeks? they're scrawny folk... i could fend them off
19:10.29Daveyou'll give me a small cut, right? :P
19:10.37sprite_tmIf not, someone will read the source. I know I have. (At least, parts of it.)
19:10.46Daveput comments in
19:10.47ieatlintread a licence agreement? liar... no one ever reads those
19:10.53Dave# this is where we scam the user
19:10.55sevenhun1redI read 'em
19:10.58Dave# by stealing they're money! :D
19:11.00Gnutoohello.does remoko work on om2008.8?
19:11.06sprite_tmDave: Lol :)
19:11.09ieatlintsprite_tm, i can obfiscate the code pretty well
19:11.13DaveI did stuff like that
19:11.18Daveieatlint, code it in perl
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19:11.23ieatlintsevenhun1red, then i refuse to believe you exist
19:11.24Davethat's usually good enough :P
19:11.27sprite_tmieatlint: Wouldn't you need to port your app to Perl for that? :)
19:11.28bipak_anyone uses omview?
19:11.36sevenhun1redieatlint: aww :(
19:11.37ieatlintlol
19:11.37Davesprite :D
19:11.44sprite_tmDave: GMTA :P
19:11.45ieatlinti hate perl, i refused to learn it
19:11.50ieatlinti can write it in c
19:11.53Davemuwahahahhahaa
19:11.56Gnutoobipak_, i do
19:12.00Daveuse pearl
19:12.02sevenhun1redwoo
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19:12.14sprite_tmieatlint: You sure you want to? dbus + c = icky, imo.
19:12.22ieatlintyou'd be surprised how confusing it can get, especially if i use bitwise operators to code bits
19:12.44bipak_Gnutoo: i loaded a picture.. how do i get back to the overview?
19:12.49DaveSNAKES
19:12.57bipak_Gnutoo: didn't find any doc
19:12.59Davebipak, muwahahaha
19:13.05Daveyou're stuck with it forever!
19:13.06Dave>:)
19:13.07bipak_Dave: stop laughing
19:13.08bipak_:D
19:13.25Gnutoobipak_, look at the wiki
19:13.29ieatlintDave, snake is on my list of things to write :)
19:13.29bipak_i'll kill it!
19:13.40sprite_tmieatlint: You still wouldn't have shaked me off. Zhone in C would be a nice example for me, and I'm an embedded engineer. I eat bitwise operators for breakfast!
19:13.40Davehahahaha
19:13.45Davehave you seen the AWFUL qtopia version?
19:13.52wurp2|workingieatlint: That's why libframework-glib glib
19:13.58wurp2|workinger, why it exists
19:14.02Gnutoothere is a page about ot
19:14.06Davewurp, and why do you exist?
19:14.18wurp2|workingWell, once upon a time there was a mommy and a daddy...
19:14.31ieatlintsprite_tm, bastard. :P
19:14.34bipak_Gnutoo: ... haha ok found it
19:14.56sprite_tmwurp2|working: It does? Where does it live?
19:15.16sevenhundredman, I was embarrassed when a friend of mine found qtopia snake
19:15.18wurp2|workingsprite_tm: in the FSO git
19:15.38lpotter_sevenhundred: whys that?
19:15.44sprite_tmDamn, why aren't these things in places where I can find them? :X
19:16.13ieatlintyeah, i suppose i'll need to look at libframework-glib sometime
19:16.41dos1http://www.neopwn.com/ - what is it? :x
19:16.54wurp2|workingsprite_tm: git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/libframeworkd-glib.git
19:16.55sevenhundredlpotter: because it didn't steer as expected. either it didn't respond or it turned and went straight into the wall
19:16.58sprite_tmAh well, glib is almost as icky as dbus itself. I'll just continue coding my app without the libframework thingy.
19:17.21viqdos1: sounds like a "security livecd" to be installed on FR ;)
19:17.37lpotterseems to work fine for me
19:17.39wurp2|workingAre you just doing all the dbus stuff by hand?
19:17.39sprite_tmwurp2|working: Thanks. I'll check it out.
19:17.47sprite_tmerrm...
19:17.50sprite_tmif it works...
19:17.51sprite_tmgit.freesmartphone.org[0: 134.169.172.109]: errno=Connection refused
19:17.56wurp2|workingcool
19:18.07sprite_tmfso.org still isn't completely up again yet I see :/
19:18.24wurp2|workingsevenhundred: You know it turns based on the quadrant of the screen you click on, not where the click is relative to the snake?
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19:20.27sprite_tmwurp2|working : Btw, do you perchance know if org.freesmartphone.Phone is working OK in the latest FSO milestone?
19:20.38sprite_tmI don't seem to get any signals from it.
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19:21.09wurp2|workingsprite_tm: if it didn't work, Zhone wouldn't work...
19:21.37sprite_tmwurp2|working: Doesn't zhone use the org.fso.GSM-interface?
19:21.41wurp2|workingsprite_tm: Although at one point I think the name changed.  I don't remember if the one you gave is the new name or the old one
19:21.43Blalienanyone encoutering a qpe process vanishing in om-2008.8?
19:22.11wurp2|workingOh, if the name you gave was the old one, I have no idea if it still works.  I wouldn't expect it to - why maintain it in two places?
19:22.21Seadog_if I try to ping google.com with my phone I get: "ping: bad address 'google.com'"
19:22.30wurp2|workingSeadog_: you have no dns
19:22.32jadamsinstalling debian on the neo1973 now
19:22.36sprite_tmwurp2|working http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD
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19:22.44jadamsrwhitby, done that yet?  supported, here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnNeo1973
19:22.53sprite_tmThe org.fso.Phone-interface still is documented there.
19:22.59Seadog_wurp2|working: oh of course I forgot to update that when I changed distributions
19:23.14sprite_tmThe org.fso.GSM-interface is usable for calls too, but a bit more low-level.
19:23.21Seadog_thanks, that's better
19:23.30sevenhundredwurp2: yeah, I figured it out eventually. Just saying it's counter-intuitive
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19:23.44wurp2|workingAh, so Phone is for when you don't want to specify if it's gsm, voip, etc.
19:24.01sprite_tmwurp2|working: I guess so.
19:24.04sevenhundredto the people I've showed it to
19:24.08Xilentopkg says: skipped because GPG support was not enabled in this build
19:24.17sevenhundredah well, I guess there's a good reason
19:24.20wurp2|workingI'm sorry, I'm not sure if that works or not :-(  I thought it used to, and if it did and mickey|sports doesn't have a unit test for it, he needs a lashing
19:24.21Xilentwhere can i get an new opkg for 2008.08
19:24.34Seadog_is it a good idea to mount /home on the sdcard instead then?
19:24.49wurp2|workingsevenhundred: Yeah, it confused me for a minute or two, but it didn't last long
19:25.06wurp2|workingIf it worked the way you first expect, it could be very hard to navigate into corners
19:25.15sevenhundredwurp2: I guess you're smarter than me then :P
19:25.19wurp2|workingSeadog_: I always do
19:25.42Seadog_cp: cannot create './root/Applications/QDSDataStore/{b9055662-d3bc-4c6d-8dea-f89bbb5f4752}:1.data': Invalid argument, that's not good
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19:26.32sprite_tmwurp2|working: It's supposed to send signals on the dbus if there's e.g. an incoming call, but with dbus-monitor I don't see anything coming along.
19:26.33wurp2|workingsprite_tm: You don't see anything, not even GSM events?
19:26.33sprite_tmOr don't calls get sent if there's no-one explicitely interested in them?
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19:26.38sprite_tmI do see GSM signals, but no Phone signals.
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19:26.54wurp2|workingI would assume that it doesn't work now, then :-(
19:27.11wurp2|workingIt may be that you need some configuration to turn it on, since afaik no one uses it yet
19:27.28wurp2|workingOf course, afaik is not very far
19:27.39sprite_tmMmm. I think I'll just go and use the GSM interface.
19:27.50Chocky_bitches + Dave + bbq
19:27.57Chocky_does Om2008 still blow chunks?
19:28.03sprite_tmThat way, I can change the tray app icon even if some other app uses the phone.
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19:30.10sakkarahi all
19:30.19sprite_tmHello.
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19:30.33sakkaragot my freerunner today, and installed om2008.08
19:30.43sakkarabut i can't find a shell anywhere...
19:30.55bubakhello, i just updated to the last fso (unstable) and no X is here
19:31.58wurp2|workingbubak: you should swap with sakkara: you have no X; he has no shell
19:32.48bubaksakkara: plug you USB cable and try ssh root@192.168.0.202
19:32.50viqWhere X == shell... ;)
19:34.29sakkarai can't connect via usb, the FR is not found
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19:34.32F4they all
19:34.38sakkaraifconfig usb0: usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
19:34.48bubakwhat about lsusb?
19:35.08F4tdoes anyone know why i cant "git clone" from the fso url?
19:35.12bubaki have
19:35.12bubakBus 003 Device 003: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network
19:35.26F4tfatal: read error (Connection reset by peer)
19:35.26F4tfetch-pack from 'git://git.freesmartphone.org/fso-makefile' failed.
19:35.40wurp2|workingF4t: The server is down?
19:35.48sakkarabut isn't there a shell on the FR itself?
19:35.58sakkarathere is no openmoko on lsusb...
19:36.05sprite_tmF4t: I have the same problems. Server indeed seems to be down.
19:36.09F4tdoesnt seem down, it answers pings...
19:36.12wurp2|workingsakkara: Yeah, you should have openmoko-terminal2 on 2008.8, I believe
19:36.20bubakim not sure that terminal is installed with 2008.08
19:36.35wurp2|workingF4t: Not the machine, the git server
19:36.48sakkarawurp2|working: where is it?
19:37.06wurp2|workingsakkara: I'm not sure.  I never use 2008.8, so I dunno where it is in Illume
19:37.07bubakanyway, if you have no openmoko on lsusb, there is something bad there
19:37.20sakkarawurp2|working: k, thx =(
19:37.54sakkaramaybe i have to upgrade uboot?
19:38.35sakkarafor usb-networking
19:38.35bubakno need to upgrade uboot to connect fr over usb
19:38.38dos1sakkara: maybe you have modules from other kernel that you are running?
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19:39.36sakkarados1: i don't think so, there is no more old kernel...
19:39.39wurp2|workingsakkara: You're welcome.  Any time you want your question not answered, I'm here for you.
19:42.08bubaksakkara: check your /var/log/messages while plugging in/out the fr usb cable -- have you flashed (ie. used df-util) both kernel and rootfs?
19:43.39dos1oh, i'm finally here when i remember about my problem :x
19:44.04dos1so - my sdl i broken :x
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19:44.06dos1is*
19:45.04dos1when i try to run some game (kobodeluxe, numptyphysics, etc.) it won't run, because they won't load images
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19:45.31dos1(that's what these apps returning on console, but each other in different way)
19:45.45sprite_tmdos1: What distro?
19:45.50dos12007.2
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19:46.03sprite_tmOk, I don't know that, can't help ya.
19:46.09dos1it is happening after some upgrade of libsdl
19:46.28sakkarabubak: yeah, i flashed both with df-util
19:47.08bubaksakka: what about that log?
19:48.10Seadog_do I need to use a specific file system to put /home on the SD card (using qtopia)?
19:48.25sakkarawhy is there no shell installed by default in om?
19:48.27bubaksakka: just to be sure -- your fr normally boots up and you end up with illume?
19:48.35sakkarayea
19:48.40viqsakkara: there is shell, there is no terminal ;)
19:48.52sakkaraofc...
19:49.00dos1oh, and i think that openmoko-messages2 has memory lacks when displaying ~700 sms in one person inbox :x
19:49.02sakkarai just want a terminal =(
19:49.18dos1or memory leaks, somethink like that ^^"
19:49.23dos1something*
19:49.54sprite_tmdos1: Memury leaks so in the end, memory lacks? :P
19:49.54viqdos1: it seems you either had too much or not enough alcohol ;)
19:50.11sprite_tm*memOry
19:50.18sprite_tmtakes a sip of his beer
19:50.20sakkarafinally in with usbnet
19:50.38F4tso can someone confirm "git://git.freesmartphone.org/fso-makefile" is down, and its not only my problem?
19:51.22sprite_tmjeroen@spritesws:/tmp$ git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/fso-makefile
19:51.25sprite_tmInitialized empty Git repository in /tmp/fso-makefile/.git/
19:51.28sprite_tmgit.freesmartphone.org[0: 134.169.172.109]: errno=Connection refused
19:51.31sprite_tmfatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused)
19:51.34sprite_tmjeroen@spritesws:/tmp$
19:51.39sprite_tmSo yeah, it seems down.
19:52.24F4tthanks sprite_tm
19:52.49sprite_tmnp
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20:00.45sprite_tmsings: Ring ring ring ring, Bananaphone!
20:01.11sprite_tmI should never have chosen 'bananaphone' as the hostname of my phone, now I can't get that song out of my head every time I use it :X
20:01.23Tanuvalol
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20:03.27spydonCan someone please send me a /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so from 2008.8, I accidently deleted it :P
20:04.59zashcant you do some reinstall of whatever package that is in
20:05.19sakkaraand now about wifi..
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20:10.10bubaksakka: i was unable to configure the using the provided 'gui wizzard' on 2008.08 -- i use WEP restritced in my home network and i was able to run it only from command line -- i think there is a ommision in the script that broings uo wifi -- it does not take into account the restricted WEP, it only handles the open WEP
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20:10.22Tig|sprite_tm: was it eric at 100 acacia avenue?  I remember the crow
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20:10.40bubaksakka: but with iwconfig and ifconfig was everything ok
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20:11.01sprite_tmTig|: Errm, what?
20:11.13Tig|bananaman
20:11.44sprite_tmTig|: I hate to repeat myself, but: Errm, what?
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20:11.49Tig|ah might have got two different things mixed up then :)
20:11.57sprite_tmI guess so :)
20:12.05sakkarai got a wpa network
20:12.18sakkaraand no luck with wpa_supplicant
20:12.35Tig|" I should never have chosen 'bananaphone"  over in the uk there used to be a kids tv show called bananaman who did have a bananaphone...  
20:12.54sprite_tmAaaaaaah :)
20:13.12sprite_tmI referred to the Internet-phenomenon around Raffi's song 'bananaphone'.
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20:13.37Tig|I think I missed that,  thankfully :)  and no I don't want to know :)
20:13.56sprite_tmTig| http://bananaphone.andi-h.de/bananaphone1.swf <-- epillepsy warning btw
20:14.30Tig|I am not clicking on that :) I prefer to live in ignorance :)
20:14.32sprite_tmthere's a more enjoyable swf tho'...
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20:14.47sprite_tmIt's not that bad :) Just a song that gets into your head.
20:15.30Tig|defiantly not clicking on it then :)
20:15.45sprite_tmOk, your loss :P
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20:16.29Tig|I doubt it will be a loss :)
20:16.29sprite_tmDamn, why does my app crash as soon as I get called?
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20:19.41sakkaraioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
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20:19.54sakkaraapparently i can't set wpa keys
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20:28.57wurp2|workingsprite_tm: 'cause you're coding in C
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20:30.06sprite_tmwurp2|working: Welll.... actually, it's mostly because glib strips off all gcc validation in order to do its dynamic typing stuff.
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20:39.24spydonzash, no, because you need that package to install stuff ^^
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20:42.10theocriteHey all.
20:42.58theocriteHow can I clean up my freerunner before installing the invisible shield ?
20:43.23theocriteJust a wipe ? Or alcohol maybe ?
20:43.45viqBurn it! ;)
20:43.59viqLet the fire cleanse it!
20:44.10theocrite-_-
20:44.24theocriteIs there a way of cleaning that doesn't involve destruction ? :)
20:44.47sprite_tmNuke it from space! It's the only way! :P
20:44.51Weisstheocrite: not sure alcohol is a good idea (i remember instruction manuals for electronic things always said not to use anything other than water)
20:45.34theocriteOk, so i'll stay with my "just wipe" option. Thanks.
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20:46.17Weisswater won't work that well for removing greasy marks though :(
20:46.50Weissi could always get my PDA screen (very similar to FR) pretty clean with a bit of effort though
20:47.21Weissinteresting things to use as a stylus, #202: the corner of an ARM250 processor from an Acorn A4000
20:48.07sprite_tmWeiss: Drat, I just used 64MB of SDRAM in a BGA package. Your stylus is cooler (and larger).
20:48.13mwesterjust files his fingernails to a point; can't lose them.
20:48.24Weisshehe
20:48.37sprite_tmmwester: I can, I'm  a nailbiter :/ Very inconvenient with touchscreens.
20:48.57Weissi was thinking of doing something involving the hook on the end of the strap for my FR's pouch - since i always have that to hand, and already use it as a stylus quite often...
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20:49.30bernttheocrite: Perhaps you can use the SHIELDSpray ...
20:50.05mwesterwonders if ljp has updated the source tarballs for qtopia... or if there's a git repo with the latest qtopia development code that he can use instead.
20:50.55mwesterwonders if *anyone* will *ever* fix the so-called *stable* branch in Om's git repo so that it will *finally* build. After all, it's only the bleeding *stable* branch. :(
20:50.59theocritebernt: i'm confused. part #3 of "apprication instructions" says : "Hint : Spray the shield, NOT your device".
20:52.12berntyou could use some soft paper with a bit of spray
20:52.33Weissmwester_: org.openmoko.asu.stable?
20:52.44mwesterYep.
20:53.11mwester"git rename org.openmoko.asu.stable org.openmoko.asu.unbuildable"
20:53.23berntHow can I convert a jffs2-image to a rootfs.tar.gz?
20:54.11bernt(I need some files from Om 2007)
20:54.54Weissmwester_: git branch -m org.openmoko.asu.stable org.openmoko.asu.unbuildable
20:55.22mwester:)  sorry!
20:56.00CMmwester: Hehe
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20:57.13wurp2|workingsprite_tm: :-(
20:57.27wurp2|workingmwester: Is there somewhere I can download your Qtopia build for gta01?
20:57.46wurp2|workingI'm running the 4.3.2 that was put out on Aug 28, and it doesn't switch the sound over when I plug in my headset
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20:58.30TAsnhey, does anyone know why the heck am i getting dots instead of <del> in vi on the moko?
20:58.40TAsnusing from ssh and moko terminal
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21:00.38mwesterwurp2|working:  Not yet; I'm waiting for ljp to make the updated sources available (the source tarball is not as up to date as the latest image he made availalble; it's missing some important fixes.
21:01.28wurp2|workingmwester: OK, thanks for the info
21:01.38wurp2|workingmwester: Is your work on 4.4?
21:01.54dolf1074When will 4.4 be there?
21:02.11dolf1074I know soon, but what is soon? 2 weeks?
21:02.15sicutheocrite: how are you getting on applying the shield? is it taking forever to get the side-flaps to stick?
21:02.26sicuor was i perhaps doing womething wrong..?
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21:03.56WeissTAsn: <del> as in an unprintable character? ^H?
21:04.18TAsnshouldn't it just delete the next char?
21:04.45sicubernt: have you had the shield on for long? do the micro bubbles work themselves out after a few days as stated in the instructions?
21:04.55dolf1074can someone tell me what package angstrom-version does?
21:05.03WeissTAsn: oh, you press 'del' and get a dot?
21:05.20berntIs here somebody, who has made a backup from the OM2007, which was on the freerunner when it was shipped?
21:05.30TAsnWeiss, aye
21:05.43TAsnin ssh and in terminal
21:06.01berntsicu: I'm waiting for the arrival of my shield from zagg ...
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21:09.58sicubernt: sry, thought u already had it ... i seem to remember mine taking quite a while longer to arrive than they indicated on their site, so be patient ;]
21:13.55wurp2|workingsicu: So, since your FR is now attached to your invisible shield, are you just gonna ship 'em both to me?
21:15.37Xilentwhere is the backspace on 2008-08 keyboard???
21:15.47dolf1074go from right to left
21:16.16Amorphousis there any way to see if there are any known regressions in an update of 2008.8 ?
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21:17.16dolf1074http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/
21:17.29dolf1074but that's not official from openmoko
21:17.35dolf1074just a community member doing that
21:18.07Amorphousthank you :)
21:19.18jajAmorphous: there are always regressionsin an update of 2008.8 ;)
21:19.49jajno, just kiding
21:20.33WeissTAsn: when sshing into the FR?
21:20.52TAsnyeah
21:21.00TAsnthough as i said also from the gtk terminal
21:21.08TAsn(on the fr)
21:21.38Weissweird.. would suggest some kind of locale problem, but never seen that before...
21:21.53TAsn;\
21:22.01TAsnfurthermore, vi is kinda crippled
21:22.11TAsnnot supporting 'u'
21:22.14TAsn(undo)
21:22.19sicuwurp2|working: sure, i'll send em over right now ... it'll save me a headache that has been ongoing since i received it ... anything else you want me to send over while we're at it? ;]
21:22.19TAsnand stuff i can't recall
21:22.53Weisshmm... i installed nano as pretty much the first thing i did once i'd made usb networking/opkg work :)
21:23.16TAsnwhy?! ;]
21:23.19TAsnvi is cool
21:23.27TAsnit's just that this version is crippled
21:24.17dolf1074vi isn't cool
21:24.28dolf1074I also installed nano asap
21:24.40mwesterwaits for another editor-war to flare up...
21:24.44TAsni just found vim ^^
21:24.53TAsnmwester, emacs sucks ;0
21:24.59dolf1074true :p
21:25.23dolf1074(but I didn't use it yet :) )
21:25.25Weissdoes the XKCD butterfly wings thing with his Neo's flash memory
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21:27.15Graf_Ithakagood night alltogether :)
21:33.17mwesterY'know, it would be a darned lot easier to dislike Qtopia if it didn't work quite so well -- especially on the old GTA01. ;)
21:33.17TAsncool, everything works with vim ;)
21:33.35mwestervim is for the folks who can't afford emacs.
21:34.14berntvi rules :-)
21:34.41mwesterBah!   "echo" , "sed", and "cat" !!
21:34.58wurp2|workingmwester: I agree completely
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21:35.10wurp2|workingsicu: Just whatever valuables you don't want any more
21:35.26berntyes you dont need ls ;-)   echo *
21:35.26mwesterquickly closes Microsoft Word on his other display, before agreeing with wurp2|working
21:35.31TAsnmwester, oh so true (about qtopia)
21:35.32ronnyactually the best way is to open up gedit to write a tool that directly writes to the raw partition to fix the data
21:35.38wurp2|workingmwester: ew!!
21:36.00Toaster`Afternoon all.  Anyone ever have TangoGPS freeze on you?
21:36.07wurp2|workingmwester: Sorry, I was agreeing re: qtopia, not emacs vs vim
21:36.23wurp2|workingmwester: My preference is viper on emacs, but usually I get by with vim
21:36.45TAsni get a weird robotic voice sometimes when i use fso3
21:36.50wurp2|workingI love vi keystrokes (home row rules!  modifier keys are teh suxxorz!)
21:36.52TAsnthat's darn weird.
21:37.09mwesterOooh, I found a source tarball dated today; lemme download.
21:37.12wurp2|workingBut managing multiple buffers and doing complex stuff is much nicer in emacs
21:37.26sicuwurp2|working: okay, i'll ship my wife as well then ... she's high maintainance, though nothing compared to the FR
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21:37.54wurp2|workingTAsn: robotic voice?  Like, the callers sound weird, or it just randomly talks to you?
21:38.46wurp2|workingsicu: I've found wives don't hold up so well through FedEx
21:38.59wurp2|workingMaybe I shoulda put airholes in the box
21:39.26TAsnwurp2|working, my problem actually splits to two. sometimes when i lie in bed i hear robots talking to me. and for the second problem, sometimes (quite often) i hear the other person like if he was standing in front of a giant fan (robo voice)
21:41.29sicuwurp2|working: hehe, so that's the reason my mail-order-brides have shown so little interest in me .... i was beginning to take it personally
21:41.57wurp2|workingTAsn: some antipsychotics will probably help with the first problem.  The second one sounds like a really bad cell connection is losing some of the compressed voice data...
21:42.04Toaster`Anyone know where e stores crash logs?
21:42.05mwesterwurp2|working:  they pack the boxes so tightly together in those planes that airholes wouldn't have made any difference.
21:42.20wurp2|workingmwester: Whew, I feel much better, then.
21:42.31TAsnwurp2|working, it says i have max reception
21:42.41wurp2|workingTAsn: weird
21:42.43mwesterit lies
21:42.59wurp2|workingsicu: it explains the stink, too
21:43.00TAsnmwester, nah, i know where i get good reception ;0
21:43.01Toaster`found it
21:43.13Toaster`TangoGPS segfault... fun
21:43.28wurp2|workingToaster`: that happens to me when I try to create POI
21:43.50wurp2|workingWell, it did happen, before I installed Qtopia.  Now I have no gps proggy :-(
21:44.09mwesterTAsn:  ok.  But just to be clear, the "number of bars" thing in any cell phone display is at the whim of the various bits of code from the radio rcvr all the way to the display.
21:44.12Toaster`wurp2|working: I'm just trying to track a route.  It used to work fine, but the later versions of 2008.8 seem to cause it to go all flakey
21:44.24mwesterLike TV pictures in ads, the "level" gets doctored.
21:44.38wurp2|workingToaster`: I've never installed 2008.8
21:44.51TAsnmwester, ;0
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21:46.25faltantornilloshi all
21:46.54faltantornillosI'm trying the quasar media player but the menu is simply enormous, how can I change the size?, pls
21:48.25wurp2|workingquasar media player?
21:48.47faltantornillosyep, it's on the angstrom repo
21:49.06wurp2|workingCool, I hadn't heard of it
21:49.52faltantornillosneither did I, but the screenshots look gorgeous ;)
21:50.11wurp2|workingIt looks nice
21:50.23wurp2|workingHeh, i guess I should read what you wrote before I reply
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21:50.41wurp2|workingThe search in particular looks convenient
21:50.54wurp2|workingIs that based on file name or mp3 id tags?
21:51.33sicuwurp2|working: link to these gorgeous screenshots?
21:52.15faltantornilloshttp://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/software/quasar-media-player/#tscreenshots
21:52.39wurp2|workingwhat he said
21:52.55faltantornillosit says its able to read the tags
21:53.14wurp2|workingI like the "sitting on a polished floor" effect with the album covers :-)
21:53.15theocritesicu: it's not the easiest part indeed.
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21:53.41wurp2|workingAre there public domain album covers, dvd covers, etc.?
21:54.59sicutheocrite: yeh, i know ... but i think i've got em to sit now
21:56.04theocriteI'm more worried about the micro bubbles
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21:58.47sicuyeh, i'll leave it for 2-3 days ... but i doubt they'll disappear
21:59.29sicubetter with microbubbles than a seriously scratched FR
21:59.31wurp2|workingI would think if they were going to go away, it would be with use
21:59.46wurp2|workingAs they get pushed farther to the sides and eventually to an edge
22:00.24wurp2|workingThe only protection I have on my gta01 is on the screen (and that was only after I got one quite short but fairly deep scratch)
22:00.45wurp2|workingThe edges of mine are scuffed, but I tend not to care about the appearance of my stuff
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22:01.05sicuwell ... i used the plastic/rubber thingy provided to push the bubbles, but the tiny ones stay put no matter what
22:01.22wurp2|working:-(
22:01.38wurp2|workingI have 0 bubbles under my protector now
22:03.21mwesterwurp2|working:  re: Qtopia on your gta01 -- do you observe any of the symptoms described in https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024, or
22:03.35sicuwell, if you were to get an invisibleSHIELD you would also be forced to not care about the appearence, as it is pretty far from invisible :p
22:03.57mwesterthe signal strength (bars) jumping from normal to the highest level, and then back down, ad infinitum?
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22:04.17wurp2|workingmwester: I do, but only sometimes
22:04.32wurp2|workingmwester: I also lose my connection to the gsm multiple times a day
22:04.48wurp2|workingwhile staying in one place that normally says I have 4 bars
22:05.18wurp2|workingmwester: But, with qtopia I can always see if I'm connected or not, and it recovers on its own in a short time
22:05.23wurp2|workingAs opposed to Other Releases.
22:05.47mwesterDoes Qtopia pop up that little box for you that says it's unregistered at all?
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22:06.07sicuanybody know if these screenshots come from a particular image? http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png (+02 +03) or are they just design ideas?
22:08.40wurp2|workingmwester: Hmm, not sure.  I think I've seen that twice.
22:08.45wurp2|workingI will pay more attention & report back.
22:09.28wurp2|workingsicu: I love those graphics!
22:09.38wurp2|workingEspecially the background image
22:09.57sicuwurp2|working: i know! i need that on my FR
22:10.21sicuthere are images 02 and 03 as well if you didnt notice
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22:11.14wurp2|workingI didn't; lemme look
22:11.28Toaster`looks like it's just a different .edj file for illume
22:13.54|FiLiP|mwester: I have sporadic disconnect on gsm as well (with excellent coverage). Qtopia does show a disconnect message for a couple of secs
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22:18.53mwesterSome logs for the sporadic disconnect/reconnects would be really helpful.  Turn on the "Modem AT communication" and "Modem Other" categories in Qtopia's Logging Categories screen, reboot, and then when it happens, use "logread" to dump the log to a file -- I'm interested in the events that led up to the "+CREG: 0" de-registration event, and the subsequent "+CREG: 1..." event.
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22:20.12mwester(make sure your phone numbers and IMEI don't appear in the logs before you pastebin them, please!  -- "X" them out!)
22:20.34|FiLiP|mwester: ok, I'll try to collect some tomorrow
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22:21.35mwesterCool.  I have a pretty good idea of what goes on when this happens here, on T-Mobile and AT&T, but I need more data to see if this problem is similar with other carriers and locations.
22:22.11|FiLiP|ok, and you think it's soft or hw ?
22:23.10sicuno need to hide your IMEI ... i'm sure i could put it to use somehow :p
22:23.32|FiLiP|sicu: ok, i'll leave th pin in as well ;-)
22:23.40jonsmith1982if the battery on the neo freerunner runs out, will it charge at all while the phone is switched off? i've read somewhere that it will charge but not quickly.
22:23.57sicugreat ... and i wouldnt mind you cc number and pin too ;)
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22:25.14sicu|FiLiP|: you have my word that i'll only use your creditcard as much as i use my own
22:25.28sicu*consider yourself bankrupt :p
22:25.28jajI was wondering about how the fact that the keyboard appears when you're in a text entry is implemented. Is it implemented as a gtk hook?
22:26.21|FiLiP|it's better to spent it than to put it in the bank these days
22:26.41mwester|FiLiP|:  I think it's GSM firmware that's broken; but since it doesn't seem that Om is going to fix it, somebody needs to see if we can "wallpaper over" the problem somehow.
22:29.05slaxxermine doesnt seem to do it all the time
22:31.27mwesterMine cycles between 30 seconds per cycle to 50 seconds per cycle, with the norm being about 30 - 32 seconds.
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22:32.56mwesterThe sequence is almost always the same: first the modem reports an "undefined" for signal quality, then a loss of registration, then about 2 - 5 seconds later (typical is 2.8 seconds) it reports a registration event -- 90%+ of the time to the same LAC and CI as before, followed by a valid signal quality event.
22:33.57mwesterIt's the consistency of the pattern and timing that makes me think it is feasable to filter out this erroneous de-registration event, and let the phone carry on as normal instead.
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22:34.53|FiLiP|yes, but if it happens during a call, it wil probably drop
22:35.00mwesterNope.
22:35.34mwesterCalls work perfectly.  mickeyl reports that he's had the modem (with similar symptoms) hold a GPRS data connection without interruption for 4 hours.
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22:36.28mwesterAlso, it's interesting to note that if you keep the GSM occupied by (for example) polling it every few seconds for a signal quality reading, it will not report any loss of registration events, nor any of the "undefined" signal quality events.
22:36.51|FiLiP|hmm, does it have some kind of power-savings ?
22:37.25mwesterYes, it has power-savings modes.  How they work and how they can be controlled is apparently a deep dark secret, and Om will have to kill us if they tell us.
22:37.34mwester(assuming Om was even told)
22:38.10|FiLiP|so we can't disable it to check it changes this behaviour
22:38.23mwesterI'm told that Om lacks the source code and docs for the GSM...  pretty scary.  And since it's considered obsolete by TI (the manufacturer), there's little support to be had.
22:38.45roolygotta love proprietary hardware, eh?
22:38.54roolysomeone needs to make their own gsm modem...
22:38.55mwester|FiLiP|:  It should be disabled, as I understand it, when this problem first manifests itself.
22:39.12mwesterI rather suspect it's just a mundane bug int he notification logic in the GSM.
22:40.02mwesterI'm really curious to see what happens if we switch to a polling solution -- something that's rather practical and almost easy if you have a GSM mux implemented.  :)  Rather like FSO, for example...
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22:41.00jajrooly: an open gsm chip would be illegal in most countries in this world
22:41.30mwesterYes, but a better documented one would not be illegal.
22:41.41|FiLiP|but the details on all AT commands would be usefull
22:41.55jajyes of course
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22:42.00mwesterAnd it would be nice if the manufactrer still supported it, at least for a few months.
22:42.02|FiLiP|don't need to know all the details about GSM internals
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22:42.48roolyjust it's externals
22:42.51roolyIE, how to use it
22:42.58mwesterShhh..!!  Change the subject!  MichaelShiloh just joined.
22:43.02jajdocumentation would also be cool for the atheros chip...
22:43.03mwester:p
22:43.31MichaelShilohhey guys, what's new?
22:43.34Wonkaap mode would be cool in ar6k
22:44.01Wonkaand the ti calypso playing together with my gemalto SIM would be cool
22:44.06mwesterI guess I don't know why?  I can't picture what you would use AP mode for in a device like that.
22:44.06MichaelShilohagreed.
22:44.09PyrasiI got a nice car holder for my moko....thats new i guess
22:44.27MichaelShilohPyrasi: cool. picture?
22:44.36MichaelShilohPyrasi: wait, it's not a cup holder, is it?
22:44.38jajWonka: is the SIM reader in the FR by gemalto?
22:44.48PyrasiI'll take one later tonite when i get the chance
22:45.05Pyrasino...it has a big suction cup to attach to the windshield
22:45.29mwesterI worry about where devices would end up if those suction cups let go...
22:45.34Wonkajaj: huh?
22:45.51Wonkajaj: what do you call a "SIM reader"?
22:46.16Wonkajaj: the SIM slot is wired to the ti calypso GSM chipset. and gemalto is a SIM card manufacturer.
22:46.41Pyrasithe sides of it are adjustable, so I was able to hook up a car charger to the usb, external gps antenna, and the audio port is avail for playing audio to the radio someday ;)
22:46.54Pyrasihowever....it works well as a gps device in the car now...lol
22:47.22jajWonka: oh ok. gemalto also manufacture usb smart card readers which can read SIM cards so I thought there may be an additional chipset between the SIM and the calypso
22:48.11YashyIs there a working image where I can easily go from ringtone to vibrate (for when in meetings)
22:48.24Pyrasi2008.9
22:48.32Pyrasiwill do that in the settings
22:48.45Pyrasiand FSO will go from silent to ring in the prefs now i think
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22:49.47YashyI don't see 2008.9? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions
22:50.40Pyrasisearch for FDOM
22:50.46sicuPyrasiƘ do you need an external gps antenna for it to work well as a gps device in the car _
22:50.48Pyrasithat will be your best bet atm
22:51.23Pyrasisicu: No....but the TTFF is like 15 seconds with one.
22:52.25sicuPyrasi: ok, any particular ext antenna you'd recommend?
22:52.37YashyOK thanks, downloading now to try it
22:53.07Pyrasii just bought a really cheap one off of ebay...haha.. shipped from hong kong...but it works great
22:53.46Pyrasihas a big magnet on the end for sticking to the hood of the car
22:55.16roolyconsiders getting fdom
22:55.21roolyanyone know anything about it?
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22:56.12PyrasiI'm using it...saves alot of time installing all the apps and applying the patches and stuff
22:56.51roolyis it functional? battery life? phone use? suspend?
23:05.00roolywell, Pyrasi?
23:05.59Toaster`well crap...
23:06.02Pyrasioh...sorry.  Yea, I mean its just 2008.9 with lots of apps and a few patches applied.
23:06.10PyrasiIt all works fine for me
23:06.20roolywhat's battery life like
23:06.39Toaster`just installed FSO, updated using the bearstech repos, and now it boots tothe angstrom login, and stops
23:06.40roolyi've been getting around 10 hours recently with no suspend enabled
23:06.57Pyrasihmm...havent run any tests, but with suspend it lasts at least a day.
23:07.02Pyrasiholy crap...with no suspend?
23:07.12roolyyeah, using the old 2007.2 image
23:07.17Pyrasii havent tried it with no suspend in awhile....thats pretty nice
23:08.30roolywhat's boot time like?
23:08.41roolyhow well does it hold up to being left turned on for days at a time
23:08.42Pyrasirooly: before you flash, i would use Dave's flashing tool (neotool i think?) to backup your current environment
23:08.57roolygot a linke?
23:09.02roolyor should i search for it
23:09.05Pyrasito tell you the truth i havent really tested it enough to tell you much about it
23:09.09Pyrasii can find it real quick
23:09.26roolymy phone boots in around 30-45 seconds
23:09.30roolyhow's the boot time
23:09.55Pyrasihttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool
23:10.14Pyrasiit takes longer than 30 secs
23:10.15slaxxeri upgraded my 09132008 FDOM an it went to the 09132008 with no problems so far
23:10.59slaxxer09172008  i mean
23:14.09roolyi'm having complaints with the contact manager...
23:17.29Toaster`anyone out there using FSO MS3?
23:19.08cjbyea
23:19.42Toaster`cjb: is there normally any issues in updateing the base MS3 image from bearstech?
23:22.40TAsnToaster`, i am.
23:22.58TAsnhave anyone hear managed to get fso to work with gprs
23:22.59TAsn?
23:23.25Toaster`TAsn: are you updating from bearstech?
23:23.42TAsnToaster`, im not updating.
23:23.47TAsnbut i install stuff from there
23:23.48TAsnyeah.
23:24.19DaveGreetings
23:25.07Toaster`TAsn: ahh, I'll try that method.  I did a full upgrade and then the xserver stopped working :/
23:25.23DaveNeeds more raster
23:25.41TAsnToaster`, same here.
23:27.40Toaster`TAsn: your phone won't boot into the gui?
23:27.57TAsni reinstalled
23:28.00TAsnso now it does.
23:28.10Toaster`that's what I'm in the process of doing
23:28.53slaxxeryay
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23:31.11Daveheh, slaxxin.
23:33.51slaxxerwas is ist
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23:37.37faltantornillosis there any sip client for openmoko? pls
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23:43.47slaxxerdave   i guess qtopia 4 is next?
23:44.31TAsnfso won't connect gprs :(
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23:44.45TAsnjust says release without active ;(
23:45.26roolyis going to install fdom when he gets back. for now, he'll leave it with 2008.9.17
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23:48.21bricodefaltantornillos: I got one working yesterday.
23:48.23Daveheh
23:48.28Davebricode!
23:48.32bricodeDave!
23:48.51bricodeDave: How's The Brooklynlandia?
23:49.18Davepoppin' yo
23:49.40bricodelooks up the definition of "poppin'"
23:50.14faltantornillosbricode could you please tell me how's it call or how did you do it? pls
23:50.45bricodefaltantornillos: I'm using linphone. I'm working on a tidy howto.
23:50.46Davehaha
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23:54.11ozzloyis there a channel for the qtopia image?
23:54.29ljp<PROTECTED>
23:54.34ozzloyi'm not able to use the wireless card
23:55.02ozzloyljp: cool, thanks

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