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| 00:13.22 | aum | how good is openmoko support for ipaq, particularly h4000? |
| 00:14.50 | SpeedEvil | Not. |
| 00:15.17 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, the support is spotty, even on the native devices. |
| 00:15.26 | SpeedEvil | Anything else, you're basically on your own. |
| 00:15.40 | SpeedEvil | (with the few devs that may have attempted it) |
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| 00:16.46 | Dave | aum - hilarious |
| 00:17.32 | aum | Dave: it was a normal question - what's 'hilarious' about the thought of openmoko running on an ipaq? |
| 00:18.46 | Dave | pretty much |
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| 00:32.08 | alphabeat | what's the best kernel for FSO? mine says "no dbus". i flashed the latest kernel on downloads.openmoko... |
| 00:32.34 | alphabeat | i thought the kernels were all the same |
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| 00:35.58 | slaxxin | i havent seen any info on installing modules i wonder why? |
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| 00:39.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1975: Wrong Phone Matching in Qtopia ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1975 ) |
| 00:40.48 | Dave | haw |
| 00:41.16 | error3 | hi :-) |
| 00:43.12 | Dave | ÿHello |
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| 00:59.18 | rwhitby | alphabeat: fso always says no dbus on first boot. reboot and it should appear. I wouldn't mix kernels ... |
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| 01:03.59 | alphabeat | thanks rwhitby |
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| 01:07.17 | retracile | I have gps working with tangogps. Being new to this whole gps thing, I recently realized that tango doesn't do routing. Anyone know of a good opensource gps application that does routing? (I'm looking through http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Routing, but recommendations of which are worthwhile would be appreciated.) |
| 01:07.36 | Dave | retracile! |
| 01:07.41 | retracile | Dave! |
| 01:07.46 | Dave | :) |
| 01:07.46 | retracile | grins |
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| 01:09.11 | SpeedEvil | The problem isn't really the app. It's the maps. |
| 01:09.18 | SpeedEvil | In most places they are just not up to routing. |
| 01:09.32 | SpeedEvil | IIRC wiki.openstreetmap.org has a list of apps |
| 01:09.42 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:09.45 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:11.15 | retracile | SpeedEvil: Heh. I'd gotten that far. ;) |
| 01:13.44 | alphabeat | retracile: tried navit? |
| 01:14.06 | retracile | alphabeat: I haven't tried anything but tangogps yet. I'm looking for recomendations of things to try. |
| 01:14.48 | retracile | alphabeat: I did see navit, but it doesn't seem to be in the debian repository, so it isn't trivial to try. Is it worth the effort of trying to build it? |
| 01:15.17 | rwhitby | hipitihop: caught you on linkedin |
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| 01:15.42 | retracile | Oh, look, I just found a screenshot of navit on the openmoko... :) |
| 01:16.17 | hipitihop | rwhitby, indeed, cheers |
| 01:16.52 | rwhitby | hipitihop: that your boat in the background? |
| 01:16.53 | alphabeat | retracile: i haven't tried it personally but have heard good things. it seems pretty close to a full navigating program (voice, routing engine etc) |
| 01:17.32 | rwhitby | Anyone else here on LinkedIn? |
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| 01:18.10 | hipitihop | rwhitby, heh that's a shot from somewhere in Perisher |
| 01:19.03 | hipitihop | rwhitby, I see you also know bruce |
| 01:19.38 | AJuOnLiNE | do we have maps application, in which the maps can be used offline ? |
| 01:20.10 | hipitihop | AJuOnLiNE, tangogps supports downloading of the maps, see wiki for details |
| 01:20.21 | AJuOnLiNE | hipitihop: thanks! |
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| 01:24.17 | retracile | alphabeat: thanks. I'll give it a shot and see. |
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| 01:29.31 | hipitihop | Is 10% cpu considered normal for pulseaudio |
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| 01:30.19 | hipitihop | that's with nothing running, just sitting at the dekstop |
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| 01:32.31 | hipitihop | anyone else here running 2008.8-updated |
| 01:35.02 | Andre613 | hey gang... tried getting ekiga to work on Debian, and the audio quality was quite poor. Laggy, and choppy. Any suggestions? |
| 01:37.32 | alphabeat | hm..maybe check 'top' to see if it's using too much cpu? |
| 01:37.52 | alphabeat | sorry hipitihop fso here |
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| 01:42.25 | Andre613 | alphabeat: Load average didn't even go beyond 0.74 |
| 01:42.41 | Andre613 | had high hopes for it too :( |
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| 02:01.04 | else58 | I just received my FR! |
| 02:02.30 | retracile | congratulates else58 |
| 02:03.52 | FxChiP | Awesome, what's it like? |
| 02:04.12 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1976: Redial last called number ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1976 ) |
| 02:04.45 | else58 | date code: 20080507 |
| 02:05.11 | else58 | now I can can compare it to my Nokia n800 |
| 02:06.35 | FxChiP | If you're comparing usability, don't get your hopes up |
| 02:06.40 | FxChiP | (from what I hear) |
| 02:09.25 | else58 | I'll let you know. At least I can make phone calls... |
| 02:09.36 | FxChiP | :) |
| 02:09.49 | FxChiP | But can you receive them? |
| 02:10.09 | torindel | else58: if you want usability better start soldering gsm modem to yours n800 -__-; |
| 02:10.15 | else58 | Having ssh, usb network, and root access out of the box is nice |
| 02:10.40 | else58 | FxChiP: yes, my wife called me! |
| 02:10.41 | FxChiP | psh |
| 02:10.47 | FxChiP | would rather solder a 3G module into the FR |
| 02:11.06 | FxChiP | Now THAT would be kick-ass |
| 02:11.19 | FxChiP | unfortunately you'd then have to write a driver |
| 02:11.20 | FxChiP | somehow |
| 02:11.34 | torindel | driver isnt problem if you got docs |
| 02:12.01 | torindel | but for things like glamo there arent ;p |
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| 02:14.03 | torindel | beh i just calculated how big would be offline goolge maps -___- |
| 02:14.44 | FxChiP | What the hell *is* glamo? |
| 02:14.47 | torindel | 20GB at max zoom for just Poland, forgeting rest of europe |
| 02:14.56 | torindel | FxChiP: freerunner graphics chip |
| 02:15.14 | FxChiP | Oh, fuck. |
| 02:15.16 | torindel | the thing that doesnt allow you to watch full res videos on neo |
| 02:15.20 | FxChiP | :/ |
| 02:15.34 | FxChiP | Just get a damn PowerVR chip already? :P |
| 02:16.12 | torindel | and i think even more than 20GB with OSM -___-; |
| 02:16.34 | alphabeat | FxChiP it also looks after other things. sits between sd card interface and cpu |
| 02:16.34 | torindel | right we need 32GB sd cards lol |
| 02:16.45 | FxChiP | eeee |
| 02:16.58 | alphabeat | torindel: are you sure? i heard the world was only 1.5G or so |
| 02:17.04 | FxChiP | can't wait for GTA03/GTA04 |
| 02:17.26 | unknown_lamer | if the 04 is really using the sc6410 and going to have an opengl es stack ... mmmmm |
| 02:17.33 | dbmoodb | torindel: the thing that they ahve an nda for the details over and cannot share any info with us. except to tell us its not worth doing anything with it |
| 02:17.51 | torindel | alphabeat: google maps at zoom 17 its 20 GB for just Poland :/ |
| 02:17.55 | shanka | unknown_lamer: yeah right.... slowing it'd turn into a laptop! |
| 02:18.03 | dbmoodb | torindel: `you can download google maps ? |
| 02:18.22 | torindel | yes |
| 02:18.33 | dbmoodb | how ? |
| 02:18.54 | FxChiP | SC6410? |
| 02:18.58 | torindel | adress is like: http://mt3.google.com/mt/v=nq.83&hl=en&x=70755&s=&y=41400&z=17&s=G |
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| 02:19.20 | torindel | dbmoodb: want part or whole world? |
| 02:19.37 | dbmoodb | well... isn't this illegal ? |
| 02:19.44 | unknown_lamer | FxChiP: samsung soc with a very fast ARM9 core and an onboard 3d chip among other goodies |
| 02:20.12 | unknown_lamer | FxChiP: like the ability to have discrete video ram, an ata controller[!], vga/tv-out, support for 1024x768 displays, ... |
| 02:20.21 | torindel | dbmoodb: for distribution, etc probably yes |
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| 02:20.30 | FxChiP | Ahh, but here's the question: is it open? |
| 02:20.36 | torindel | for private use i dont think so |
| 02:20.42 | FxChiP | :/ |
| 02:20.48 | FxChiP | Fail |
| 02:21.22 | torindel | unknown_lamer: they still want arm9? -__-; |
| 02:22.05 | torindel | unknown_lamer: which model is it? 920? 922? 926? |
| 02:25.41 | unknown_lamer | torindel: I dunno find the spec sheet |
| 02:26.41 | unknown_lamer | http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=231 |
| 02:27.02 | unknown_lamer | oh ARM11 oops |
| 02:27.39 | torindel | ;] |
| 02:36.16 | retracile | alphabeat: the 1.5G is for the vector stuff that navit uses. The rendered tiles that tangogps uses would be what torindel is talking about. |
| 02:36.22 | alphabeat | ah fair enough |
| 02:37.23 | retracile | torindel: It seems that http://khm2.google.com/kh?v=30&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d and http://mt2.google.com/mt?v=w2p.81&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d may also "work" |
| 02:38.59 | torindel | retracile: that just depends on "options" you want |
| 02:39.13 | retracile | torindel: know of others? |
| 02:39.30 | torindel | just open google maps with view/zoom/around place you want and check pics url's |
| 02:39.53 | torindel | google will tell you all addresses you want to know ;] |
| 02:40.24 | torindel | (i.e. you can get satelite/hybrid/street view etc) |
| 02:40.55 | torindel | but map at max zoom will be big -__-; |
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| 02:45.58 | torindel | retracile: any map progs to play with vector stuff btw? |
| 02:46.33 | retracile | torindel: dunno. navit is supposed to. I'm working on building that... |
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| 02:48.07 | torindel | since we either need 32GB sd cards or some fast vector prog >_> |
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| 02:49.52 | stevenSn | navit draws from vector data, apparently the planet is only 1.6 gig |
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| 02:54.46 | torindel | stevenSn: you tried it on moko? |
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| 02:55.33 | torindel | question is does it run faster or slower than tangogps |
| 02:55.52 | stevenSn | torindel: Yes. It is MUCH slower than tango |
| 02:56.20 | retracile | stevenSn: how usable is it? |
| 02:56.23 | stevenSn | torindel: On navit you press a key or try to scroll the map and you count many seconds. But I heard someone is working on a patch for this |
| 02:56.58 | torindel | lol patch? |
| 02:57.22 | torindel | you mean like replacing cpu? -__-; |
| 02:57.22 | stevenSn | retracile: If you can setup your route before you start driving, it did a decent job of showing my position and the roads around me. |
| 02:57.58 | retracile | stevenSn: is it able to speak road names? |
| 02:58.33 | stevenSn | we tried using it when I actually was somewhat lost in the car and the time it took to setup a destination or scroll the map wasn't really viable |
| 02:59.05 | stevenSn | retracile: I haven't yet gotten any speech working from my fr, but it is supposed to |
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| 03:47.41 | pabs3 | anyone know if the white screen of death has a bug/ticket? |
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| 04:05.35 | CVirus | pabs3: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
| 04:05.53 | pabs3 | thanks |
| 04:06.08 | CVirus | np |
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| 04:36.22 | else58 | I'm confused about the factory version for my new gta02v5 - /etc/version = 200804240820 |
| 04:36.54 | else58 | and kernel is 2.6.24 from Apr 24 2008 |
| 04:37.10 | torindel | else58: so? |
| 04:37.19 | torindel | thats software version only |
| 04:37.28 | else58 | is that om 2007 or om 2008? |
| 04:37.34 | torindel | 2007.2 |
| 04:38.15 | else58 | ok, so 2007.2 means the first release - and there have been updates since |
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| 04:38.30 | else58 | hence the 2008 dates, but it is still 2007.2 |
| 04:39.31 | torindel | or wait that could be 2008.4 |
| 04:39.32 | torindel | ;] |
| 04:40.04 | torindel | you something newer anyway |
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| 04:42.02 | else58 | but since I can make/receive phone calls with what was shipped, I wanted to install the newer on sd and leave base alone |
| 04:42.49 | else58 | I just wanted to know what it was in case I want to restore it. But I don't see any 2008.4 in wiki |
| 04:42.55 | torindel | you can backup base to pc btw |
| 04:43.13 | torindel | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.4/ |
| 04:43.24 | torindel | there should be 2007.2 somewhere too |
| 04:44.12 | torindel | but you for 99% have that |
| 04:44.25 | else58 | torindel, thanks for release pointer |
| 04:46.21 | else58 | to backup base, do I just scp /dev/mtdblock{0,6} to host? |
| 04:48.30 | torindel | yep (that would backup uboot, uboot_env, splash, factory and rootfs) |
| 04:48.59 | else58 | yea, I can see that in /proc/mtd |
| 04:49.12 | weirdedout | If I want to flash u-boot on the FR which file should I use gta01bv4-u-boot.bin or gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin ? |
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| 04:50.20 | ljp | gta02 |
| 04:51.46 | weirdedout | ok thanks ljp. is the other file for the 1973? |
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| 04:53.17 | railer | so I've been away for a month which is the best distro now? |
| 04:53.37 | ljp | weirdedout: yes |
| 04:53.44 | ljp | railer: qtopia from qtopia.net |
| 04:53.46 | ljp | :) |
| 04:54.05 | railer | can it wifi yet? |
| 04:54.30 | weirdedout | thanks ljp. |
| 04:54.36 | railer | were' Dave and ieatlint! |
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| 04:57.27 | railer | hey whats that web site that has the screen shots? |
| 04:59.40 | hipitihop_away | railer, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 04:59.48 | railer | thanks |
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| 05:05.42 | Openfree|moko | torindel,hi, I've been interested in openmoko gentoo distribution, it's great! |
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| 05:08.42 | weirdedout | Openfree|moko, what are the pros of having gentoo on the freerunner? |
| 05:08.57 | ljp | there are none |
| 05:12.32 | ljp | :) |
| 05:12.44 | ljp | compiling on the device would be especially painful |
| 05:13.03 | ljp | because lack of ram, pack of disk and lack of cpu |
| 05:13.13 | ljp | lack of disk |
| 05:13.15 | ieatlint | there's a lot more to gentoo than compiling programs |
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| 05:13.49 | ieatlint | you can compile programs on the a computer and install the bin packages onto the phone |
| 05:13.50 | ljp | ever tried runnin gcc on a memeory limited device? |
| 05:14.01 | ieatlint | yep |
| 05:14.58 | weirdedout | Does gentoo have the phone specific packages that debian boasts? |
| 05:15.50 | ieatlint | no, you'd likely need to maintain your own repository (it wouldn't be something 95%+ of users would want to use) |
| 05:16.03 | rwhitby | gentoo without the compiling on the target is just debian isn't it? |
| 05:16.14 | ieatlint | but advantages would be present, like not having a bunch of stuff compiled in that you never use |
| 05:16.30 | ieatlint | rwhitby, probably closer to arch linux |
| 05:16.41 | ieatlint | since debian does releases, and gentoo is a rolling release |
| 05:17.11 | CVirus | Gentoo > * |
| 05:17.16 | else58 | fyi: scp would fetch /dev/mtd5 since it wasn't a regular file. |
| 05:17.33 | ieatlint | it's come to my attention that i have essentially no food in my apartment |
| 05:17.41 | ieatlint | this displeases me |
| 05:17.44 | else58 | I ended up nfs mounting the host disk via usb network and dd'ing |
| 05:18.30 | ieatlint | you can also offload compiling using distcc, which can allow you to compile some packages on the phone |
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| 05:19.15 | ieatlint | peope are too critical of gentoo in general though :P |
| 05:19.35 | else58 | The 258MB rootfs took 7 minutes |
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| 05:19.38 | ieatlint | it's not about compiling things yourself so they're more optimised, it's about installing what you need and nothing more |
| 05:19.44 | rwhitby | gentoo has sold out ever since you don't have to compile everything on the target ... |
| 05:20.23 | ieatlint | hah |
| 05:20.29 | rwhitby | has never used Gentoo, so knows nothing about that which he speaks |
| 05:20.51 | alphabeat | so just like arch ieatlint? ;) |
| 05:21.22 | ieatlint | yeah, i know a former gentoo dev who we lost to arch :( |
| 05:21.39 | rwhitby | an OS is just a tool anyway. windows, linux, macos - it doesn't really matter in the scheme of things |
| 05:21.54 | CM | I think Gentoo has some problems, but I haven't given up on it yet |
| 05:22.04 | ieatlint | that's a grossly generalised statement :P |
| 05:22.32 | ieatlint | if all you want is web and word processing, then fine, go get a computer from 2001 |
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| 05:22.32 | CM | ieatlint: If you have no food at home, eat some lint :P |
| 05:22.39 | rwhitby | Linux got too bloated once they started adding user interfaces to it ... |
| 05:22.45 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:22.55 | ljp | cli is a user interface |
| 05:23.05 | ieatlint | rwhitby, you mean like "make menuconfig" ? :P |
| 05:23.16 | ieatlint | screw that, just use ed on .config ... |
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| 05:23.48 | rwhitby | gnome and KDE are just ways to arrange multiple terminals on your screen ... |
| 05:24.33 | ieatlint | vaguely... |
| 05:24.48 | ieatlint | gnome and kde are desktop environments which do more than window managers |
| 05:24.48 | mwester | knows that rwhitby dials phones by shorting tip and ring wires at the correct speed... |
| 05:25.02 | mwester | :p |
| 05:25.04 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: ed, why not just emacs C-x M-c M-butterfly the file? |
| 05:25.06 | undrwater1 | and compiz to wiggle them |
| 05:25.50 | ieatlint | prjktdtnt, because emacs is bloat, i don't have a "butterfly" key, and it was a joke about using extremely simplistic methods |
| 05:26.26 | mwester | Blasphemy! |
| 05:26.30 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: all I use is emacs, I am so used to the layout I can't stand using other editors |
| 05:26.36 | rwhitby | word processing went down-hill after wordstar too ... |
| 05:27.02 | prjktdtnt | i thought about learning VI at one point but regex still eludes me |
| 05:27.16 | undrwater1 | latex? |
| 05:27.22 | rwhitby | prjktdtnt: the only VI command you need to know is :q! |
| 05:27.25 | ieatlint | vi pleases me in more ways than emacs ever could |
| 05:27.27 | alphabeat | maybe we should all go back to our roots and follow rms: http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/ |
| 05:27.51 | ieatlint | rwhitby, did you mean ":q" or ":q!" ? hehe |
| 05:28.00 | prjktdtnt | alphabeat: lol! |
| 05:28.05 | rwhitby | ieatlint: the ! is intentional |
| 05:28.15 | CM | prefers the ! too |
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| 05:28.54 | SpeedEvil | Recent versions have introduced alternatives |
| 05:28.57 | undrwater1 | ieatlint: unless you are blind |
| 05:29.01 | SpeedEvil | :qOMG! |
| 05:29.34 | ieatlint | undrwater1, perhaps |
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| 05:29.51 | ieatlint | i'm still using win3.1 |
| 05:29.56 | ieatlint | i hear 3.11 is out? |
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| 05:30.23 | mwester | ieatlint: Stick with 3.1 |
| 05:30.34 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: BSDFTWIMO |
| 05:30.40 | mwester | ieatlint: It's like 2007.2; everything after it just went downhill. |
| 05:30.47 | ieatlint | does 3.11 not run tie fighter well? |
| 05:31.05 | rwhitby | mwester: 2007.2! 2007.1 was the best OM release ... |
| 05:31.30 | rwhitby | oh how quickly they forget ... |
| 05:31.32 | prjktdtnt | has to be the most entertaining night i've ever seen in the OM chat |
| 05:31.46 | ieatlint | which bsd? |
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| 05:32.14 | Yashy | mwester: agreed. |
| 05:32.18 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: any of them really, I prefer freeBSD if I have to use Unix |
| 05:32.38 | mwester | Bring back PRIMOS! |
| 05:32.43 | ieatlint | i hate freebsd's package system |
| 05:32.44 | Yashy | OpenBSD for a router/fw/gw type appliance, FreeBSD for a server... |
| 05:32.53 | Yashy | likes ports |
| 05:33.02 | alphabeat | Yashy: why is that? i ask as a bsd noob |
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| 05:33.29 | prjktdtnt | I actually got my *nix start with a little webspace on my uncle's freebsd server |
| 05:33.32 | ieatlint | because openbsd is pretty much the most secure os out there (that's "complete") |
| 05:34.01 | rwhitby | mwester: cpm/80 |
| 05:34.12 | prjktdtnt | you know freeBSD has an ARM port, wonder what it would take to make that run on the FR |
| 05:34.29 | prjktdtnt | scratches chin and makes an inquisitive HMMMM |
| 05:34.50 | ieatlint | more work than you would want to undertake |
| 05:35.17 | ieatlint | the om linux kernel is patched so much to get power management and stuffs working... |
| 05:35.19 | prjktdtnt | probably, I will probably be too lazy to even install debian on my FR |
| 05:35.39 | alphabeat | prjktdtnt: hehe. it really is just running a single script though :P |
| 05:35.54 | rwhitby | starts the fso-unstable-packages build on the nslu2-linux autobuilder, since the bearstech.com machine is still down |
| 05:36.03 | ieatlint | yeah, but then you have to wait... and that's where it gets tough |
| 05:36.08 | aum | is there any way to hand-compile programs with the OE cross toolchain, without having to autocrap the source, stick a tarball on a webserver, write a bb recipe... ? |
| 05:36.10 | alphabeat | damn you free hosting! |
| 05:36.29 | Yashy | alphabeat: http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=FreeBSD&distro2=OpenBSD |
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| 05:36.49 | alphabeat | thanks Yashy |
| 05:36.52 | rwhitby | alphabeat: yeah, I should have known that no-one can manage a build infrastructure like our nslu2-linux infrastructure manager ka6sox |
| 05:36.52 | ieatlint | aum, yeah, just access the OE toolchain's gcc directly |
| 05:37.02 | ieatlint | link to the libraries in the OE root |
| 05:37.28 | aum | ieatlint: where do the cross toolchain binaries, headers and libs live within the OE tree? |
| 05:37.45 | alphabeat | ka6sox? something you wrote? |
| 05:38.26 | ieatlint | aum, find :P |
| 05:38.53 | rwhitby | alphabeat: no, the guy who runs http://stats.tking.org/munin/ |
| 05:38.54 | ieatlint | i've done it, but i don't even have an OE toolchain right now |
| 05:39.04 | aum | the whole OE tree thing is very unapproachable to newcomers |
| 05:39.44 | Yashy | alphabet: do a search for it on qrz.com, it's a ham radio callsign |
| 05:39.59 | aum | i'm using find, but there's over a dozen versions of stdlib.h |
| 05:40.21 | ieatlint | lol |
| 05:40.24 | mwester | aum: Agreed; but any distro builder is pretty daunting. I think the real problem is that the distro is not yet stable enough to where the toolchain (without the need for OE) is sufficient. |
| 05:40.34 | ieatlint | well, search for a less standard include file |
| 05:40.51 | ieatlint | like gtk.h |
| 05:41.10 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint: what about beer.h? |
| 05:41.12 | ieatlint | there should be one main include folder |
| 05:41.14 | prjktdtnt | ducks |
| 05:41.26 | ieatlint | prjktdtnt, oooh, i should go to the store and get food and beer |
| 05:41.30 | aum | the OE tree is one nightmarish cancerous bad acid trip |
| 05:41.45 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint I much prefer cd /pub && more beer |
| 05:41.51 | mwester | aum: you shouldn't have to search for any header files; OE will arrange for your app to be built with the correct one (and it will build the toolchain, libraries, etc, that might be necessary to cause the header files to appear -- and that's the real magic of something like OE) |
| 05:42.16 | prjktdtnt | just don't ever man woman, generates a segmentation fault in which the core gets dumped |
| 05:42.31 | aum | mwester: yes, but only if I (1) autocrap my app, (2) tarball it up to a webserver, (3) write a bb recipe, (4) other black magic |
| 05:42.34 | ieatlint | heh |
| 05:42.39 | prjktdtnt | goes to see what new shirts are on thinkgeek |
| 05:42.45 | mwester | aum: perhaps then you should just use the toolchain. |
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| 05:42.48 | ieatlint | prjktdtnt, "man false" describes me life :P |
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| 05:43.12 | ieatlint | "false - do nothing, unsuccessfully" |
| 05:43.13 | prjktdtnt | ieatlint, that is awesome! |
| 05:43.15 | aum | mwester: i want to use the toolchain, but I don't know which of the n bin dirs, n include dirs, n lib dirs etc to use |
| 05:43.29 | prjktdtnt | false [ignored command line arguments] |
| 05:43.42 | prjktdtnt | even the options are ignored |
| 05:44.14 | mwester | aum: #include <standard-headerfile.h> |
| 05:44.42 | mwester | aum: /path/to/toolchain/crossdir/gcc-arm-linux-<whatvever> prog.c |
| 05:44.53 | mwester | aum: the cross tools will take care of the rest. |
| 05:45.24 | aum | mwester: but what should I set '-I' to, to get the correct headers? |
| 05:45.54 | ieatlint | aum, the trick is to only compile programs that need not include files and libraries |
| 05:45.55 | mwester | aum: It knows where the system (aka standard) header files are for the cross tools. |
| 05:46.13 | aum | ieatlint: yeah right |
| 05:46.14 | ieatlint | you'd be surprised how much simple math you can do without anything extra |
| 05:46.23 | mwester | aum: so you should only need -I to specify your own headers, and they would be in the normal places. |
| 05:47.31 | ieatlint | ok, i go find beer and food |
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| 05:50.51 | rwhitby | aum: instead of compiling programs, just start an open source project and get someone else to do it for you ... |
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| 05:53.54 | aum | ahh, found the toolchain, got my 'hello world' c prog built/working - thx guys |
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| 06:13.54 | railer | glad to see everyone is still here |
| 06:16.38 | ieatlint | += beer; |
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| 06:17.44 | mwester | #define beer NULL |
| 06:17.46 | railer | what distro you using now Ieatlint? |
| 06:17.54 | ieatlint | sam adams |
| 06:18.15 | ieatlint | actually, right now, i may have lost my phones :( |
| 06:18.24 | ieatlint | i think i left them at a friend's apartment |
| 06:18.27 | railer | how? |
| 06:18.49 | railer | nice, friend on crack? |
| 06:19.12 | ieatlint | i've no idea, i remember packing them to put in my laptop bag, thought i had put them in there, then didn't do anything with them for two days |
| 06:19.18 | ieatlint | and when i went to look for them, no phones... |
| 06:19.26 | railer | ouch |
| 06:19.32 | ieatlint | no, just messy friend who easily loses things in her apartment |
| 06:20.40 | railer | well time for a good cleaning |
| 06:20.57 | ieatlint | yeah, i don't get back there to look until saturday though |
| 06:21.07 | ieatlint | anyway, i'm an fso guy still |
| 06:21.55 | railer | I just tried 2008.8 internet not working for me |
| 06:22.04 | ieatlint | i just dislike 2008.x too much |
| 06:22.12 | railer | why?> |
| 06:22.59 | ieatlint | qtopia just feels screwy on it |
| 06:23.11 | ieatlint | it reminds me of trying to run windows programs in wine |
| 06:23.17 | ieatlint | it kinda works, sometimes, i guess |
| 06:23.31 | ieatlint | never integrates though, always looks off |
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| 06:24.34 | railer | ok |
| 06:26.37 | railer | well nice chating with you again, off to bed |
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| 07:24.00 | AJuOnLiNE | if I dont have the Openmoko phone.. what do I need to get started with applicaiton development ? |
| 07:26.55 | ieatlint | if the app you intend to develop requires the hardware on the phone (accelerometers, gsm modem), you need qemu |
| 07:27.48 | ieatlint | otherwise, you're just developing a linux app that works on the phone too, and qemu may help with some testing, but if it works on linux and doesn't eat system resources terribly, you're done |
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| 07:35.04 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: i need to use the GPS, WIFi, and SMS features. |
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| 07:35.46 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: the UI testing would need to screens interface. |
| 07:36.04 | AJuOnLiNE | so I can just develop the app on Linux and have the UI testings done on the QEMU |
| 07:36.11 | AJuOnLiNE | in worst case scenario? |
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| 07:39.22 | ieatlint | yes, but emulating sms stuff will no be an easy task |
| 07:39.34 | ieatlint | and do you actuall need wifi, or just network? |
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| 07:44.30 | AJuOnLiNE | my application will require to connect to other Wifi networks.. |
| 07:44.50 | AJuOnLiNE | ieatlint: also can I connect extra memory storage via USB ? or event a printer? |
| 07:44.57 | AJuOnLiNE | s/event/even |
| 07:45.37 | ieatlint | yes, but in actual use, usb host mode will drain the battery pretty fast |
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| 07:47.22 | mjr | yeah if your actual use is constant... Also a printer will likely not drain the FR battery, really, since they tend to have their own power sources... |
| 07:47.57 | mjr | and occasionally plugging in a usb memory stick for data transfer should be fine |
| 07:48.07 | AJuOnLiNE | ah ok.. |
| 07:48.33 | ieatlint | it's all relative... but yeah, a self-powered device will use less power from the usb host |
| 07:48.45 | ieatlint | but the usb host is still responsible for powering the connection |
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| 08:04.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1977: [Location] delete tag in Location but the Tag SMS will be empty text and can't be delete ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1977 ) |
| 08:11.24 | AJuOnLiNE | for developing apps on Qtopia build. |
| 08:11.31 | AJuOnLiNE | I need to use which programming language? |
| 08:13.20 | ieatlint | not an issue of language, it's an issue of libraries |
| 08:13.31 | ieatlint | you need to program for qt, and hook into the qtopia stack |
| 08:13.39 | ieatlint | look at trolltech.com |
| 08:14.06 | ieatlint | and "ljp" in here may be willing to answer some questions for you |
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| 08:19.38 | AJuOnLiNE | Qtopia is one distro choice. others are? |
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| 08:21.02 | ieatlint | 2008.x, fso and debian |
| 08:21.18 | ieatlint | fso and debian use the same stuff in most respects though |
| 08:21.36 | ieatlint | and 2008.x is supposed to eventually adopt fso's framework (which handles all gsm functions) |
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| 08:24.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1979: [Location] Deleted Tags will appear in the tag list.(specific phone) ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1979 ) |
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| 08:30.07 | Fale | tomorrow the openmoko will arriva in my home :) |
| 08:30.25 | AJuOnLiNE | i wnat that! :P |
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| 08:31.17 | Xecuter | hi guys! |
| 08:31.23 | Xecuter | anyone here using qtopia? |
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| 08:32.21 | Bill_ | me |
| 08:32.49 | anakron | me too |
| 08:34.10 | Xecuter | Bill_, have you noticed the bug that when just booted without the usb or charging cable the phone thinks that it is connected, and power savings behaves like it is |
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| 08:34.15 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1980: [Location] the tag list is jumping too serious when you scroll it ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1980 ) |
| 08:34.15 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1981: [Location] red spot sparkling by around location not exactly where we are. ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1981 ) |
| 08:34.34 | Xecuter | meaning that the phone never goes to suspend, and it drains the battery |
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| 08:35.54 | Bill_ | Xecuter: nope.. can't say i have |
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| 08:36.11 | Xecuter | hmm |
| 08:36.15 | Xecuter | i do, every time |
| 08:36.47 | Shlee | What revision? |
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| 08:38.21 | Xecuter | 4.3.3 snapshot |
| 08:38.51 | Xecuter | is there a way to force the phone to check if cable is connected? |
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| 08:41.37 | |FiLiP| | Xecuter: it is in the wiki, just plug-in a charger or usb for a second and after that it will work ok |
| 08:43.21 | Xecuter | |FiLiP|, thats the problem, im not home, and i need to reboot the phone... i don't have the cable here |
| 08:43.30 | Xecuter | could you give me link to wiki? |
| 08:44.13 | OMBugsBot | [Bug] #1982: [Location] the last line of tag will only show up half ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1982 ) |
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| 09:00.06 | |FiLiP| | Xecuter: sorry, wiki only suggests to plug it into some powersource for a second |
| 09:00.15 | Xecuter | damn |
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| 09:00.33 | Xecuter | |FiLiP|, can you give me link to wiki? |
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| 09:10.19 | |FiLiP| | Xecuter : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner , almost bottom of page |
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| 09:20.56 | OdyX | [debian] Hi. Is the suspend using the power button possible ? |
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| 09:21.41 | hipitihop_away | do we have an eta for fso3 ? |
| 09:22.25 | viq | "when it's ready" ;) |
| 09:22.34 | lindi- | OdyX: if you look at source code of zhone you'll see that it calls prepareforsuspend when you hold power |
| 09:22.51 | hipitihop_away | viq, :-) |
| 09:22.55 | lindi- | OdyX: please let me know if you can't find it |
| 09:23.04 | ieatlint | hipitihop_away, august 30 |
| 09:23.19 | Tig| | hipitihop_away: roadmap still has five open tickets on it |
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| 09:23.25 | ronny | http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap says 1 week late, but they fixed 3 more bugs since i took the last look |
| 09:23.31 | OdyX | ieatlint: my question is more "does it work ?" ;) |
| 09:24.03 | ieatlint | OdyX, well, you can use my answer of "august 30" for that if you'd like, but i wasn't addressing you |
| 09:24.25 | OdyX | ;) |
| 09:24.28 | lindi- | OdyX: sure but you are supposed to help us develop it ;) |
| 09:24.39 | Shlee | hipitihop: The FSO is when its done. |
| 09:24.58 | OdyX | lindi-: Sure. But for now, I have not enough time to get the sufficient knowledge.. |
| 09:25.08 | OdyX | lindi-: but at least, I have the intention ;) |
| 09:25.10 | Shlee | plus, the FSO milestones don't mean the SNR/ASU/QTOPIA is going to use it. |
| 09:25.30 | ieatlint | uh, shr is going to use it |
| 09:25.37 | ieatlint | that's the whole point of shr |
| 09:26.02 | ieatlint | fso-makefile even is configured to build shr (but it doesn't currentl yet work) |
| 09:28.18 | Shlee | ieatlint: I'm a typoin, sorry. I meant, it'll take time for the other releases to catch up. |
| 09:29.44 | lindi- | OdyX: you'll get the knowledge :) |
| 09:30.27 | OdyX | lindi-: the problem is not to acquire the knowledge, but to get the time to acquire it... |
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| 09:30.36 | OdyX | you know... real life issues ;) |
| 09:30.57 | ieatlint | real life is much more difficult to manage |
| 09:31.22 | ieatlint | just start using meth and stop sleeping |
| 09:31.32 | ieatlint | trust me, it'll solve all your problems |
| 09:31.36 | Shlee | Does anyone know of a service similar to Google Alerts? |
| 09:31.53 | lindi- | Shlee: you better tell us what it does first :) |
| 09:32.01 | OdyX | your start handling a group of 70 boy-scouts and stop sleeping too |
| 09:32.14 | OdyX | s/your/or |
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| 09:32.32 | ieatlint | uhm, that sounds wrong |
| 09:32.35 | ieatlint | very very wrong |
| 09:32.41 | ieatlint | catholic priest wrong |
| 09:32.55 | OdyX | depends on where on earth... |
| 09:33.15 | OdyX | the majority of scouts in the world is muslim... |
| 09:33.49 | ieatlint | uh, boy scouts aren't muslim, they're mostly mormon and christian, and the group is rooted in religion |
| 09:33.49 | OdyX | anyway... out of topix |
| 09:33.59 | OdyX | ieatlint: no no no no |
| 09:34.00 | OdyX | ... |
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| 09:34.18 | OdyX | there are more muslim scouts than christian scouts _in the world_ |
| 09:36.36 | ieatlint | ah, i see... i've just been familiarised with boy scouts of america... the religious group that centres around outdated ideals, exclusion, descrimination and plagued by accusations of sexual abuse |
| 09:37.55 | Shlee | Question: You never hear about Jewish priests commiting Sexual assult.. Does that mean jews are not preverted monsters? |
| 09:38.52 | ieatlint | just like non-catholic christian priests, no |
| 09:39.14 | Shlee | P.S. Scouts in Australia are not directly connected with any Religion group AFAIK |
| 09:39.17 | ieatlint | because they're allowed to marry, and generally aren't given the same amount of access to young children |
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| 09:41.22 | ieatlint | Shlee, just looked it up, its "pledge" includes references to a god |
| 09:42.34 | Shlee | Might be like the Freemasons... a high power |
| 09:42.58 | Shlee | I never remember religion coming into it when I attended as a child. meh |
| 09:43.59 | ieatlint | the wikipedia article makes references to criticisms from polytheistic religious groups, and one would assume atheists would also object :P |
| 09:44.16 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 09:44.38 | else58 | In 2008.8-update, how do you enter numbers in the on-screen keyboard that gets displayed when entering wifi passkey? |
| 09:44.56 | ieatlint | here in the states, they won't let gays, agnostics or atheists in, they have numerous references to religion, and with the extremely rare exception, are entirely sexist |
| 09:46.08 | viq | else58: when you "drag" the keyboard up or down it scrolls, there is small, capital letters, symbols, numbers. |
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| 09:47.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r791a77c4b9ac 10/classes/binconfig.bbclass: [binconfig] Fix a small defect of binconfig.bbclass |
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| 09:51.08 | else58 | viq, thanks - i guess i shouldn't practice on a password enter prompt. |
| 09:51.50 | else58 | Is there a way I can pre-enter the password from a usb0 ssh session? |
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| 09:53.28 | seaLne | else58: use a key instead of password? |
| 09:55.37 | else58 | seaLne: I can't get the funky keyboard to correctly enter my nonsense wireless shared-key |
| 09:56.46 | else58 | can I stop "word recognition"? |
| 09:56.47 | Tig| | else58: you could put it in wifi-supplicant.conf |
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| 09:57.05 | methril|laptop | morning |
| 09:57.06 | Tig| | and put it in over an SSH session |
| 09:57.11 | viq | else58: if you hold the letter so the "magnifying glass" appears it will enter that exact character |
| 09:57.24 | Tig| | assuming it is a WEP key |
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| 09:59.34 | else58 | I did a find / -name "*conf", and did not find wifi* |
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| 10:14.08 | ieatlint | wow, someone who uses find properly and doesn't just pipe it to grep |
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| 10:15.40 | else58 | is it wpa_supplicant which asks for the key? |
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| 10:30.06 | me | hi, I need to compile a software from the neo, what I need to install with opkg? |
| 10:30.29 | Gnutoo | hello, can uboot boot from ext3? |
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| 10:30.54 | Gnutoo | s/boot/boot a kernel and a root filesystem/ |
| 10:30.55 | me | Gnutoo: only from vfat and ext2 |
| 10:31.47 | Gnutoo | me, ok thanks so i'll fromat my rootfs in ext2 for now...i do not want to loose precious space |
| 10:32.22 | me | lol |
| 10:32.37 | mpr | me: probably easier to just install debian and apt-get gcc |
| 10:32.53 | mpr | not sure if any compiler is packaged and available via opkg |
| 10:34.27 | me | mpr: mmhhh.... |
| 10:34.46 | me | mpr: I'm trying, maybe I found something |
| 10:35.41 | mpr | the openembedded stuff is pretty cross-compiling-oriented, so even if you found a native compiler you'll probably have a hard time installing dev libaries & headers |
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| 10:40.44 | OdyX | Is it possible to access the flash from Debian (installed on the microSD) ? |
| 10:41.27 | ieatlint | yeah, it's one of /dev/mtdblockN |
| 10:41.42 | ieatlint | mtdblock5 i think, but there's a high probability i'm wrong |
| 10:42.10 | lindi- | OdyX: just mount it yes |
| 10:42.29 | tomboy64 | i used to use .Xsession to configure my xterm on my homebox, but on OM it doesn't work |
| 10:42.42 | tomboy64 | an hints on where to enter its settings? |
| 10:42.55 | OdyX | lindi-: which entry in /dev ? |
| 10:42.55 | Gnutoo | mmm...is there a place where i can find FSO milestone II in tarball version? or should i recompile my kenrel in order to mount the jffs2 images? |
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| 10:44.05 | ieatlint | Gnutoo, does it have to be milestone2? |
| 10:44.50 | tomboy64 | uhm |
| 10:44.50 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, yes...i want an image to test the features of the freerunner....and milestone2 has better phone support,supports standby etc... |
| 10:45.02 | tomboy64 | i correct myself: i used to use .Xresources |
| 10:45.10 | tomboy64 | any ideas? |
| 10:45.24 | ieatlint | Gnutoo, i mean, versus a later version of fso... do you need milestone2, or will an image from sept 4 work= |
| 10:45.26 | ieatlint | ? |
| 10:45.53 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, no, i can live with a more recent version of FSO.... |
| 10:46.04 | ieatlint | http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080904-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 10:46.12 | Gnutoo | ieatlint, thanks a lot |
| 10:46.47 | Gnutoo | i will rather use images for the freerunner.... |
| 10:46.53 | me | I get those errors, how could I fix? checking for gcc... gcc |
| 10:46.54 | me | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 10:47.07 | ieatlint | Gnutoo, gta02 is the freerunner |
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| 10:47.11 | Gnutoo | ah gta02...sorry |
| 10:47.12 | ieatlint | gta01 is 1973 |
| 10:47.25 | Gnutoo | it's because i saw 1973 |
| 10:47.43 | ieatlint | yeah, that can indeed be confusing |
| 10:48.00 | Gnutoo | thanks a lot |
| 10:48.09 | ieatlint | if you replace "testing" with "unstable" in the url, you'll get what you expect P |
| 10:48.11 | ieatlint | :P |
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| 10:48.20 | mpr | me: that's on the freerunner? |
| 10:48.28 | me | mpr: yes |
| 10:48.37 | mpr | how did you install/get the gcc? |
| 10:48.56 | mpr | are you sure it's an arme native gcc? |
| 10:49.17 | me | mpr: I installed a lot of stuff found with opkg list|grep gcc |
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| 10:50.14 | tomboy64 | any ideas how i can backup the data if put into qtopia-phone-x11-datebook and into the contacts application? |
| 10:50.17 | tomboy64 | (Om 2008.8) |
| 10:50.33 | tomboy64 | e.g. copy a file over and return it after reflashing the phone |
| 10:50.41 | mpr | well you get that "compiler cannot create executables" error when the binaries produced by the compiler aren't executable |
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| 10:50.46 | ieatlint | well, qtopia uses sqlite3 i'm told |
| 10:50.52 | ieatlint | so look for a .db file |
| 10:50.52 | tomboy64 | oh |
| 10:50.56 | mpr | so something is wrong w/ the gcc installation |
| 10:50.56 | tomboy64 | cute :) |
| 10:51.03 | tomboy64 | thanks |
| 10:51.30 | ieatlint | mpr, actually that could be the linker and not gcc :P |
| 10:51.37 | me | mpr: what could I do? oo |
| 10:52.46 | mpr | dunno, don't know much about compiling natively with oe |
| 10:52.53 | mpr | my recommendation is still debian :) |
| 10:54.10 | me | mpr: no,I need to do it on om... |
| 10:54.57 | mpr | why do you have to compile natively and not using normal oe procedures? |
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| 10:56.02 | me | mpr: what do you mean? |
| 10:56.41 | mpr | normally you'd compile oe packages on your desktop pc in a e.g. qemu environment |
| 10:57.38 | mpr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 10:59.35 | me | mpr: it isn't slow? |
| 11:00.30 | OdyX | Yay ! Midori passes 100% the Acid3 (on the Freerunner) ;) |
| 11:00.32 | OdyX | cool |
| 11:00.39 | mpr | slow in what sense? |
| 11:00.49 | mpr | yes it takes some time to get a dev environment up and running |
| 11:01.47 | mpr | as said, compiling natively w/ debian is probably the fastest & easiest way to get some development done :) |
| 11:02.31 | mpr | you can have debian on sd and gcc running w/ libc-dev etc. within an hour |
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| 11:03.08 | lindi- | a lot faster if you run deboostrap on your host system :) |
| 11:05.22 | Gnutoo | is it possible to configure uboot from 2007.2? |
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| 11:05.55 | Gnutoo | so i would configure it from 2007.2 to boot from sd...on an ext2 partition with rootfs and kernel |
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| 11:07.34 | me | OMG, what hard it is to compile from neo.... |
| 11:07.43 | mpr | :) |
| 11:08.04 | me | mpr: But I'll win XD |
| 11:08.18 | mpr | you should see the proprietary development environments |
| 11:08.18 | Gnutoo | so debian can cross-compile...does it have issues...because on gentoo i had a lot of issues(package did not compile) such as issues with running result of the compilation in ./configure (autotools) |
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| 11:09.23 | mpr | we were speaking about compiling *natively* w/ debian |
| 11:09.32 | mpr | then you don't have any cross-compiling issues whatsoever |
| 11:09.59 | me | I need libc6 to compile from ne? |
| 11:10.01 | me | *neo |
| 11:10.47 | mpr | yes, almost any c program links to libc |
| 11:11.00 | mpr | but oe images have a libc already |
| 11:11.19 | mpr | the problem is missing libc dev headers etc. |
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| 11:12.43 | Gnutoo | anyone for my uboot question? |
| 11:13.46 | me | Gnutoo: what is the question? |
| 11:13.52 | me | *which |
| 11:15.10 | Gnutoo | me, I want to configure uboot to boot my microsd with one ext2 partition containing the kenrel and the rootfs...can i do it from 2007.2? if so i could test it without a computer and i wouldn't have to carry my computer... |
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| 11:15.46 | me | Gnutoo: on the wiki there is a guide |
| 11:16.00 | viq | Gnutoo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 11:16.11 | me | but I made it from my pc because on the neo the sd was always busy.... |
| 11:16.11 | viq | I did that yesterday at least twice from the FR |
| 11:16.21 | viq | Also, I did tar over ssh ;) |
| 11:16.44 | Gnutoo | me, i saw the guide that need an external computer for sd....because you need to type uboot command using a serial console |
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| 11:17.35 | me | Gnutoo: no... |
| 11:18.13 | Gnutoo | me, no for it's impossible? or no for "I didn't read correctly the guide" |
| 11:18.31 | Gnutoo | or no for you don't need a serial console? |
| 11:19.28 | me | Gnutoo: You don't need serial console |
| 11:19.39 | viq | Gnutoo: I did it yesterday from FR |
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| 11:19.41 | me | just foolow the guide to install on sd the system |
| 11:19.50 | me | and then aux+power and "boot from sd" |
| 11:19.57 | viq | With the computer only used as a "remote keyboard" and host to the files |
| 11:20.20 | Gnutoo | me, ah ok thanks a lot |
| 11:20.56 | me | I'm trying to compile gnuboy on the freerunner |
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| 11:23.11 | me | ehi how can I compile for qtopia? |
| 11:23.33 | dns53 | download the sdk from qtopia i believe |
| 11:24.24 | me | it is possible to compile directly from freerunner with qtopia :D |
| 11:24.25 | me | ? |
| 11:24.26 | Xecuter | is there a browser for qtopia that can be compiled or something? its a little odd that qtopia is version 4.3.3 and it doesn't have some sort of browser |
| 11:24.47 | me | Xecuter: no browser, wait for qtopia 4.4 |
| 11:24.51 | OdyX | How do I mount the flash partition from Debian ? |
| 11:25.11 | Xecuter | but is is hard to make since no one has done it? |
| 11:25.43 | Gnutoo | me,ah boot from sd is a uboot entry...but there is a problem...there must be 2 partitions with one vfat partition with the kernel no? |
| 11:26.11 | lindi- | OdyX: just mount it? |
| 11:26.21 | dns53 | by default yes, you need to edit your uboot to have 2x ext2 or just an ext2 |
| 11:26.36 | OdyX | lindi-: yes... I know that... but I fail to get the node name |
| 11:26.41 | OdyX | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.46 | lindi- | OdyX: file -sL /dev/mtdblock* |
| 11:26.53 | Gnutoo | dns53, so can i do this edit from om-2007.2? |
| 11:27.30 | me | Gnutoo: yes |
| 11:27.33 | OdyX | lindi-: thanks |
| 11:27.57 | Gnutoo | me, ok so how do I do it? |
| 11:28.19 | me | copy the kernel named uImage.bin in the first partition |
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| 11:28.36 | me | in the root of the first partition and in the folder /boot of the first partition |
| 11:28.50 | dns53 | Gnutoo no idea, i use vfat and ext2 myself read the debian wiki entry for a description |
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| 11:28.58 | Gnutoo | ah the yes is for "ah boot from sd is a uboot entry...but there is a problem...there must be 2 partitions with one vfat partition with the kernel no?" |
| 11:29.07 | nyu | me: does gnuboy have a usable button interface? |
| 11:29.19 | Gnutoo | ok i'll do that but i'll have to re-partitionate the sd-card |
| 11:29.23 | nyu | KenSentMe: heh, funny nick |
| 11:29.33 | nyu | from lsl1 I guess |
| 11:29.37 | me | nyu: not yet |
| 11:29.46 | nyu | me: then what's the point ;-) |
| 11:29.55 | lindi- | Gnutoo: one partition is enough |
| 11:30.00 | nyu | or none |
| 11:30.05 | me | nyu: that I can't compile it |
| 11:30.16 | me | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:30.22 | Gnutoo | lindi-, ah ok so ext2 with kernel and rootfs is ok? |
| 11:30.31 | lindi- | Gnutoo: should work |
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| 11:30.39 | Gnutoo | ok thanks so i'll keep it as-is |
| 11:30.49 | dns53 | Gnutoo with the default config you need the first partition a vfat, and the second an ext3 but you can change this if you reconfigure uboot |
| 11:31.15 | dns53 | kernel uImage.bin (need the name) goes on the vfat |
| 11:31.36 | OdyX | lindi-: the entry is already in /etc/fstab => mount /mnt/flash |
| 11:31.43 | OdyX | lindi-: thanks for the pointer. |
| 11:32.25 | lindi- | OdyX: /mnt/flash violates FHS :) |
| 11:32.38 | OdyX | lindi-: then Debian violates FHS ;) |
| 11:32.47 | OdyX | should be /media/? no ? |
| 11:33.47 | lindi- | OdyX: it's not debian yet :) |
| 11:34.14 | OdyX | true |
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| 11:35.52 | bumbl | lindi-: /mnt/flash does not violate the fhs |
| 11:36.03 | lindi- | bumbl: really? |
| 11:36.06 | bumbl | afaik |
| 11:36.17 | bumbl | it is a question of interpretation |
| 11:36.27 | lindi- | bumbl: i think FHS reserves /mnt to be a mount-point |
| 11:36.57 | lindi- | 'This directory is provided so that the system administrator may temporarily mount a filesystem as needed.' |
| 11:37.08 | lindi- | 'This directory must not be used by installation programs: a suitable temporary directory not in use by the system must be used instead.' |
| 11:38.28 | bumbl | where is the problem? you want to mount a partition to /mnt/ |
| 11:39.03 | Gnutoo | bye...i must go |
| 11:39.16 | lindi- | bumbl: but it is using /mnt/flash and not /mnt |
| 11:41.13 | bumbl | lindi-: if you need more than one mountpoint - that should be correct |
| 11:41.25 | lindi- | bumbl: not according to FHS |
| 11:42.17 | lindi- | compare it against the description of /media which mentions "subdirectories" |
| 11:43.50 | viq | Is there any IM for 2008? |
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| 11:44.36 | bumbl | lindi-: fhs 2.3 - page 12 |
| 11:45.59 | bumbl | where is the problem? you want to mount a partition to /mnt/cdrom and /cdrom being common |
| 11:46.22 | bumbl | and then it only rejects the use of /cdrom but not /mnt/cdrom |
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| 11:47.03 | bumbl | anyway: I don't think this is stuff that matters |
| 11:47.30 | ecraven | does anyone mind that the debian install runs everything as root? |
| 11:48.02 | bumbl | ecraven: doesn't it recommend creating an user at the end? |
| 11:48.24 | ecraven | bumbl: not when i tried it ;) |
| 11:48.31 | ecraven | i'm not talking about debian in general, but install.sh |
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| 11:48.57 | bumbl | ecraven: ah no, install-sh does not create users |
| 11:49.10 | bumbl | you have to do that manually |
| 11:49.43 | ecraven | it starts X as root... much work to change that |
| 11:51.21 | bumbl | ecraven: afaik even the desktop debian starts x as root if you use e.g. gdm,xdm,... |
| 11:52.03 | Dave | It's ecraven and bumble, conspiring without me! |
| 11:52.05 | Dave | :o |
| 11:52.25 | bumbl | Dave: you have to get up earlier |
| 11:52.34 | Dave | haha |
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| 12:00.37 | hama | hi all :) i have a little problem here: i reinstalled 2008.8-update and now i search for a little tool-icon what was included in the task-switcher in the upper left corner... any1 knows the name of the package? |
| 12:01.05 | Dave | tool icon? |
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| 12:01.11 | Dave | perhaps it resembles a wrench? :P |
| 12:01.16 | hama | :) |
| 12:01.35 | hama | you can change the looking/behavier of the... hmm. x-server |
| 12:01.36 | Dave | I think a lot of people had this problem |
| 12:02.11 | hama | well, not x-server, but the looking of the 'home' area |
| 12:02.28 | viq | hama: illume-config |
| 12:02.47 | Dave | config-illume-config? |
| 12:02.51 | hama | is it enlightment? qtopie? gtk? i dont know |
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| 12:03.05 | hama | hmm, installed config-illume-config... |
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| 12:03.40 | Dave | bbq? |
| 12:03.47 | hama | bbq? |
| 12:03.55 | Dave | I don't know |
| 12:03.59 | hama | :) |
| 12:03.59 | Dave | you kept on listing stuff |
| 12:04.00 | Dave | :P |
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| 12:04.24 | hama | i get through opkg list a few times now :) |
| 12:06.24 | hama | illume-congig is uptodate... |
| 12:06.28 | Dave | All I know is that it had something to do with illume-config and/or config-illume-config... or some nonsense, and raster was here helping noobs all day with this issue |
| 12:06.46 | hama | :) |
| 12:06.46 | Dave | It seems silly, yet the solution was non-trivial? At least there was several pages of discussion about it |
| 12:06.50 | hama | por raster |
| 12:06.52 | Dave | hama did you update those packages? |
| 12:06.52 | hama | poor |
| 12:07.02 | Dave | I think you had to update/install something then reboot. |
| 12:07.14 | hama | yes, updated all |
| 12:07.22 | Dave | Did you reboot? |
| 12:07.27 | hama | yes |
| 12:07.30 | Dave | Nothing? |
| 12:07.35 | hama | dunno how often today :) |
| 12:07.38 | hama | no |
| 12:07.43 | Dave | :\ |
| 12:08.17 | hama | but i think i had to start a command, but i dont see it... |
| 12:08.35 | hama | well, its not that important... thanks a lot, m8s |
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| 12:09.26 | hama | uh, btw, is there a way to see a file-list from the packages eg. illume-config? |
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| 12:10.50 | Dave | sure |
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| 12:10.57 | Dave | untar it? :p |
| 12:11.17 | hama | ok, sure i can do this... |
| 12:11.22 | hama | :P |
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| 12:17.56 | Dave | SICU! |
| 12:18.24 | sicu | DAVE! |
| 12:18.40 | sicu | ~hail dave |
| 12:18.40 | apt | ACTION bows down to dave and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 12:19.34 | Dave | :D |
| 12:19.43 | Dave | Heil! |
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| 12:20.11 | sicu | heh, that's the german version :p |
| 12:20.37 | Dave | It's the EVIL version! |
| 12:22.19 | sicu | :p |
| 12:22.33 | sicu | so...what's new? =] |
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| 12:23.32 | Dave | things still broken |
| 12:23.35 | sicu | apart from us apparently starting to scratch our itches and provide our fixes. |
| 12:23.47 | Dave | :p |
| 12:23.50 | sicu | think that is what zecke posted in his blog |
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| 12:24.35 | Dave | Well who cares what he thinks... he's a sympathizer! |
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| 12:27.51 | hipitihop | when fso milestone3 is released, will this be based on fso-unstable ? |
| 12:29.01 | bumbl | hipitihop: yes and no |
| 12:29.23 | bumbl | shr.bearstech.com builds its images for example without the landscape mode fix |
| 12:30.36 | hipitihop | bumbl, so is there an image and feed that represents m3 at this point ? |
| 12:31.07 | bumbl | not one which represents it 100% |
| 12:31.20 | bumbl | but shr.bearstech.com unstable is near it i think |
| 12:31.43 | bumbl | but at the moment zhone seems to be quite unstable |
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| 12:32.10 | hipitihop | since current predictions are a day or so away then I'm contemplating if I should flash the current unstable |
| 12:33.46 | hipitihop | but that would only be worthwhile if current unstable actually includes working gsm + sms |
| 12:33.51 | hipitihop | opkg upgrade |
| 12:34.03 | hipitihop | oops wrong window ;-) |
| 12:35.13 | Dave | Man, what are people doing with this KDE installed on their Nokia |
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| 12:35.45 | Dave | Man, clearly, polish people don't know how to take screenshots. |
| 12:37.04 | hipitihop | can anyone tell me if pulseaudio is normally installed and runs on 2008.8-updated |
| 12:37.34 | Dave | probably |
| 12:38.28 | hipitihop | probably the better question would be "what is the standard list of processes" that I should see after a clean boot of 2008.8-updated |
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| 12:39.23 | Dave | hippityhop, did someone install spyware on your freerunner? :P |
| 12:40.20 | hipitihop | that's hipitihop one p dave ! :-) and no, but it seems my fr is struggling for resources and pulseaudio is running @ 10%+ cpu |
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| 12:40.58 | hipitihop | + 2 x dbus-daemon processes |
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| 12:41.29 | Tig| | yipeeee woot woot woot! upgraded to FSO bearstech unstable and hidd is back!!!! |
| 12:41.48 | bumbl | hehe |
| 12:41.51 | hipitihop | Tig|, hidd ? |
| 12:41.59 | bumbl | *me hopes for milestone3* |
| 12:42.03 | bumbl | today |
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| 12:42.13 | Tig| | hipitihop: it means that it is simple to connect my bt keyboard again :) |
| 12:42.51 | hipitihop | seconds bumbl |
| 12:43.01 | Tig| | the bluez people helpfully deprecated it a while ago but there is not a simple replacement for it without making arseloads of dbus calls |
| 12:43.34 | hipitihop | Tig|, does unstable have working gsm regsiter, calls in/out + sms ? |
| 12:44.08 | Tig| | phonecalls seem to work, waiting on milestone 3 for SMS to be more polished |
| 12:44.50 | hipitihop | cool, polished meaning ? is there existing ui for sms in/out ? |
| 12:45.11 | Fale | how can I put the battery in the openmoko? |
| 12:45.30 | bumbl | Fale: open the backcase |
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| 12:45.43 | Fale | bumbl: how? |
| 12:46.18 | bumbl | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Setting_up_the_hardware.2C_getting_to_know_the_Neo_FreeRunner_physically |
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| 12:46.29 | Fale | bumbl: you are an angel :) |
| 12:47.52 | bumbl | hipitihop: polished means that you can receive sms longer than afaik 160 chars and that you can more or less do all the basic things which a phone should be able to do concerning sms |
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| 12:48.49 | me | I damaged an SD openmoko install because of a suspend, how can I repair? |
| 12:49.02 | me | please help, it is important! |
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| 12:49.40 | bumbl | me: use fdisk to get your partition table back |
| 12:49.47 | bumbl | then fsck the partitions |
| 12:49.59 | bumbl | if you have luck you get your data back |
| 12:50.09 | me | just fsck? |
| 12:50.57 | bumbl | to avoid this problem in the future: dd if=/dev/mmc.... of=/tmp/partition bsize=1024 count=1 |
| 12:51.10 | hipitihop | bumbl, < 160 sms send/receive is managable ? |
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| 12:51.27 | bumbl | i think so |
| 12:51.33 | bumbl | as I sent some sms |
| 12:51.43 | bumbl | me: I think so yes |
| 12:51.56 | hipitihop | ok, you got me, off I go to find the latest unstable to flash |
| 12:52.09 | bumbl | it should do the bill if you just restore the partition table |
| 12:52.10 | me | I reinstall.... |
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| 12:52.34 | bumbl | the fsck is just there to check if everything is there where it belongs |
| 12:52.49 | bumbl | hipitihop: to receive sms you have to reload zhone |
| 12:52.58 | bumbl | you won't get notified either |
| 12:53.09 | bumbl | this is to be done in ms3 |
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| 13:02.48 | Dave | beware |
| 13:03.06 | me | Hi Dave! |
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| 13:04.40 | hipitihop | bumbl, can I ask which image you just flashed ? |
| 13:04.57 | Dave | Ah, yes |
| 13:05.02 | Dave | I need to flash some images :P |
| 13:05.37 | hipitihop | bumbl, http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080904-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary ? |
| 13:06.01 | bumbl | yes I flashed the summary image |
| 13:06.08 | bumbl | although it is an older one |
| 13:06.22 | Dave | :o |
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| 13:07.00 | hipitihop | do we still need to change the opkg *.conf files to point to correct unstable feeds ? |
| 13:07.09 | hipitihop | and then update/upgrade ? |
| 13:07.33 | bumbl | yes |
| 13:07.43 | Dave | BEARS |
| 13:08.10 | mwester | Yes, they won. |
| 13:08.45 | Dave | haha, oh |
| 13:08.48 | Dave | Mwester :P |
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| 13:17.17 | Dave | It's raining freerunners! |
| 13:17.49 | bumbl | where? |
| 13:17.50 | ace_ | people are throwing them out of the window out of frustration? |
| 13:18.04 | bumbl | grabs the freerunners |
| 13:18.07 | opendeep | rwhitby:I am building OM2008.8, I got this package error three times after resume the build as mentioned in wiki page.ERROR: Build of /home/pradeepgot/moko/openembedded/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb do_compile failed |
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| 13:30.04 | me | news about om 2008.9? |
| 13:30.44 | me | it will be released tomorrow? :D 10/09/09 |
| 13:30.48 | me | *10/09/08 |
| 13:30.50 | me | ? |
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| 13:39.49 | dolf1074 | don't think so |
| 13:39.57 | dolf1074 | there are still many bugs to resolve |
| 13:40.17 | dolf1074 | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/query?status=in_testing&status=reopened&status=assigned&status=new&status=accepted&group=status&milestone=Om2008.9 |
| 13:40.54 | dolf1074 | I will more likely be 12/10/08 :p |
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| 13:47.38 | Dave | I hope we have a halloween moko edition |
| 13:47.50 | Dave | speaking of which, I should get to work on some sort of spooky release :D |
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| 13:48.49 | Dave | silly retracile |
| 13:49.05 | Tig| | dave : hallow moko ? :P |
| 13:49.18 | Dave | :D |
| 13:49.20 | Dave | It already is! |
| 13:49.22 | Dave | or hallow dave |
| 13:49.23 | Dave | :p |
| 13:49.32 | Dave | All hallows moko? |
| 13:49.35 | Dave | hmm |
| 13:50.07 | Tig| | I am miffed with remoko, it loaded once ages ago and has crashed on launch ever since |
| 13:50.38 | hipitihop | bumbl, did you flash uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin ? |
| 13:50.43 | Tig| | but the developer insists it is developed on the FSO image which does point to my install :( |
| 13:51.13 | bumbl | hipitihop: yes |
| 13:51.21 | retracile | wags his head at Dave |
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| 13:51.27 | hipitihop | I get Starting download: [######dfu_download error -110 |
| 13:51.27 | bumbl | although it hasn't got an update latley |
| 13:51.35 | bumbl | try again |
| 13:51.44 | hipitihop | I have and redownloaded it again |
| 13:52.40 | hipitihop | on the neo, you get "end of write exceeds partion end" |
| 13:52.59 | hipitihop | do I need a later nand uboot ? |
| 13:53.27 | hipitihop | I have 1.3.2 from 9 Aug |
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| 13:58.45 | Tig| | hipitihop: I did have dfu errors when flashing once and it turned out that the route of the usb cable was either getting some kind of interference from a power cord it was wrapped around or my usb port on my machine was being daft, I would try it in another port if possible, I downloaded the images half a dozen tries before I worked this out :) |
| 13:59.47 | hama | uh, a simple question: where to put/register a new ringtone (.ogg)? |
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| 14:01.33 | hipitihop | Tigl, I'll try |
| 14:02.27 | Tig| | hama on which image?# |
| 14:02.52 | hama | 2008.8-update |
| 14:03.51 | Tig| | ah, no idea then, is it on the wiki? I know the one to do it on the fso image is :) |
| 14:04.16 | Dave | uhh, if anything, we have the worst naming conventions... |
| 14:04.22 | Dave | in fact, we don't even HAVE conventions |
| 14:04.27 | hama | :) i still search on it.. i found a page what discripe the formats so far... |
| 14:04.28 | Dave | perhaps therein lies part of the problem :p |
| 14:04.48 | Dave | 2008.8-update? I mean, holy shit? What the hell is it? |
| 14:04.49 | hama | discribe |
| 14:05.03 | Tig| | Dave: a naming convention would imply we had one :) |
| 14:05.09 | Dave | at least push arbitrary version numbers. |
| 14:05.13 | Dave | Tig, grr :P |
| 14:05.35 | Tig| | well in that case I am on FSO 2-5 :) |
| 14:05.35 | Dave | Fuck, at least they're not back-in-time revisions ~_~ |
| 14:05.44 | Dave | FSO 2.5? |
| 14:05.47 | Dave | sounds good! |
| 14:05.52 | dolf1074 | ubuntu don't change it version, if it's updates |
| 14:05.53 | Dave | at least it says it's FSO |
| 14:05.59 | hama | well, there are not that many images so far... |
| 14:06.06 | dolf1074 | so why should openmoko? |
| 14:06.08 | Dave | yes there are |
| 14:06.16 | hama | 5? |
| 14:06.17 | Dave | There are like eight or so |
| 14:06.21 | hama | oh |
| 14:06.32 | Dave | that is if you count illume / enlightenment etc |
| 14:06.32 | dolf1074 | not at a regular fix update |
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| 14:06.49 | Tig| | FSO 2-5 FSO milestone 2 with all updates with only 5 tickets to go before milestone 3 :) how is that for a logical naming scheme :P well it is only slightly worse than the one we currently have :) |
| 14:06.55 | Dave | and now with debian, there's got to be at least six |
| 14:07.04 | Dave | Tig, yeah yeah, I'm sure we're ALL counting it down :P |
| 14:07.54 | Tig| | best but is with a X - Y scheme the numbers go down as the revision goes up confusing even more people, as 2-4 is older than 2-2 :) |
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| 14:08.36 | Tig| | if you are going to mess with people's heads when versioning do it properly :) |
| 14:08.41 | geraldgn | hi |
| 14:08.42 | mickeyl | FSO will start releasing software by versions once we reach 1.0 |
| 14:08.44 | mickeyl | later this year |
| 14:08.58 | Tig| | mickeyl: oh that would take the fun out of it :) |
| 14:09.03 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:09.18 | mickeyl | still enough "fun" to chose between all the different frameworks available |
| 14:09.19 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 14:09.25 | Tig| | yep :) |
| 14:09.26 | OdyX | true... |
| 14:09.27 | Dave | :D |
| 14:09.38 | Tig| | hi geraldgn |
| 14:09.44 | Dave | mickyl, megacough |
| 14:09.46 | OdyX | Debian is fine, but no way to have other applications "finger-launchable" in zhone |
| 14:09.49 | Dave | you'll never reach 1.0 |
| 14:09.58 | Dave | this is the way with shitty "beta" software |
| 14:10.05 | Dave | you'll end up on milestone 79 |
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| 14:10.24 | Dave | because that versioning system will have been accepted by then :p |
| 14:10.58 | mickeyl | nope |
| 14:11.05 | mickeyl | i have a plan for about 2 more milestones for frameworkd |
| 14:11.08 | mickeyl | then it's 1.0 |
| 14:11.10 | me | Dave: evaD |
| 14:11.14 | mickeyl | or 0.9 |
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| 14:11.27 | Dave | I hope frameworkd doesn't go overboard |
| 14:11.30 | Tig| | mickeyl: hehe :) |
| 14:11.39 | Dave | and they try to turn it into some sort of "god daemon" |
| 14:11.44 | dolf1074 | or 0.8 :p |
| 14:11.51 | Arigead | Hello, Sorry to interrupt all the versions ;-) Anybody here know anything about building FSO? |
| 14:11.56 | Dave | next they'll be claiming it can wash my car or clean my gutters or something. |
| 14:12.07 | dolf1074 | Dave: that would be nice |
| 14:12.20 | Dave | No, it wouldn't! |
| 14:12.22 | fredrin | is wondering if enlightment will ever reach 1.0... |
| 14:12.24 | mickeyl | Dave: well, that depends on what functionality a framework should provide |
| 14:12.38 | mickeyl | for sure you want a connectivity manager or something, but i hope we reuse connman here |
| 14:12.43 | Dave | It certainly shouldn't be oversized, bloated, and ineffecient. |
| 14:12.46 | Dave | It should only provide core |
| 14:12.49 | lindi- | OdyX: you can use matchbox for launching new apps |
| 14:12.57 | mickeyl | what core is depends |
| 14:13.01 | Dave | I fear frameworkd will be come too big. |
| 14:13.03 | mickeyl | some people think core is gsmd |
| 14:13.03 | OdyX | lindi-: thanks again |
| 14:13.09 | mickeyl | some people think core is bluetooth-obex |
| 14:13.10 | Dave | mickeyl, cough, perl-core :D |
| 14:13.26 | mickeyl | who's going to provide a simple means to send a file over obex? |
| 14:13.39 | mickeyl | i don't see bluez doing this anytime soon |
| 14:13.51 | Tig| | Arigead: this any use : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_FSO :) |
| 14:14.17 | Tig| | mickeyl: true infact bluez seem to be going in the opposite direction at the moment |
| 14:15.18 | Arigead | Tigl: Cheers I've got that read but wanted to do the manual build I wanted to copy local.conf.sample to my own local.conf but there are two under my fso-milestone3 |
| 14:15.54 | Tig| | that could be because milestone 3 is not out yet |
| 14:15.57 | Arigead | i.e two sample files. Maybe they're actually the same. never thought of that :( |
| 14:16.07 | Tig| | but I am not an FSO scientist :) |
| 14:17.01 | mickeyl | correct |
| 14:17.04 | mickeyl | ms3 still cooking |
| 14:17.09 | mickeyl | having problems with the new sms pdu stuff |
| 14:17.15 | mickeyl | need to sort that out else it's no release |
| 14:17.25 | Arigead | Ah shit! So which sample do you start with there ain't one under fso-testing dir |
| 14:18.10 | hipitihop | bumbl, strange, still get the dfu-util error but I tried to boot and seems ok iow I'm in the fso-unstable now |
| 14:19.32 | Dave | mickeyl, I hope it doesn't get overcooked! |
| 14:19.33 | Dave | :D |
| 14:20.11 | mickeyl | harldy ;) |
| 14:20.38 | mickeyl | most of the time, it's zhone holding back the release |
| 14:20.52 | mickeyl | ponders again with the idea of releaseing only fso console images |
| 14:21.08 | Dave | yay |
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| 14:21.43 | hipitihop | bumbl, what did you do to get zhone working properly ? mine seems to have greyed out dialer,messages and contacts but config & locations seems to be there |
| 14:22.49 | bumbl | insert sim |
| 14:23.20 | hipitihop | sim is in and has been for over week whil eI have been running 2008.8-updated |
| 14:23.40 | hipitihop | altthough this is first boot |
| 14:23.45 | bumbl | already rebooted after the first flash? |
| 14:25.18 | hipitihop | bumbl, booted once only...so rebooting now |
| 14:25.42 | hama | for ringtones: /opt/Qtopia/etc/SytemRingTones looks good :) |
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| 14:32.40 | Weiss | is there a volume control somewhere in the Dialer of ASU-update? maybe i'm missing something obvious? |
| 14:33.23 | hama | alsa-mixer |
| 14:33.41 | hama | start it from the console |
| 14:33.53 | hipitihop | bumbl, hmm rebooted and same thing .. is there a cli way of forcing sim registration ? |
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| 14:35.39 | hama | :)) got my new ringtune running: carmina burana from carl orff :)) |
| 14:36.19 | me | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaa |
| 14:36.22 | me | yuppie!!!!!! |
| 14:36.24 | hama | now i need to know the config-file where to register a new name |
| 14:36.36 | hama | for the ringtune |
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| 14:40.07 | me | I get this error: SDL: can't set video mode: No video mode large enough for 160x144 |
| 14:40.07 | me | Signal 11 |
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| 14:40.15 | me | anybody could help me please? |
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| 14:50.42 | Weiss | hama: thanks |
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| 14:54.56 | nyu | hama: how did you disable the 2 s loop? |
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| 14:55.45 | hipitihop | bumbl, fixed fso-unstable feeds, updated and now doing upgrade... but so far looks like does not want to register sim |
| 14:56.23 | hipitihop | bumbl, anyway I'll wait until fully upgraded, reboot then see |
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| 14:56.37 | bumbl | reboot might help |
| 14:57.16 | hipitihop | well rebooted twice already 1 after initial flash and then a second (current doing upgrade within) |
| 14:57.32 | bumbl | hmm |
| 14:57.41 | bumbl | mickeyl is the one behind fso |
| 14:57.46 | bumbl | you might ask him |
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| 14:58.15 | hipitihop | and I know the sim is fine as I have used it with qtopia, earlier fso-testin for a short while but then stopped registering and then switched to 2008.8-updated and was also fine |
| 14:58.27 | beni_ | mickeyl: just wanted to say, that i like your work very much! |
| 14:58.30 | beni_ | cool job |
| 14:59.07 | loonyxp1984 | Hello, I have a problem with the usb connection of the openmoko. I can ssh into it and I can ping googles ip address but i can't ping an address like www.google.com. i have added my routers ip address in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:59.31 | mickeyl | thanks beni |
| 14:59.45 | mickeyl | and most of the times, i'm happy with what I'm doing ;) |
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| 15:00.28 | hipitihop | loonyxp1984, try adding your isp's or opendns server ip into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:01.01 | hipitihop | loonyxp1984, for openddns server addresses see USB networking page on wiki |
| 15:01.19 | loonyxp1984 | hipitihop: thanks... thats what i forgot (haven't had the time to switch on the phone a while) :) |
| 15:02.55 | loonyxp1984 | worked... man, i really should write down that stuff... :) |
| 15:03.45 | hipitihop | mickeyl, is there a way to debug or force sim registration ? I have latest unstable, restarted zhone etc but no luck. sim worked fine in 2008.8-updated |
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| 15:05.22 | mickeyl | hipitihop: run cli-framework and send some commands |
| 15:05.34 | mickeyl | see zhone or examples/gsm-log for how |
| 15:06.16 | mickeyl | unstable may be broken at any time though... |
| 15:06.23 | mickeyl | i only make warranties for milestones |
| 15:06.28 | mickeyl | "warranties" |
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| 15:07.04 | hipitihop | :-) indeed, was hoping this was close enough to start playing |
| 15:07.27 | cjb | mickeyl: I have a similar problem; my SIM takes multiple registration attempts to work. in testing, I just tap on the dialer and it tries to register and if it fails then I do it again |
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| 15:07.41 | hipitihop | anyway, the more I keep you chatting the further the release ;-) |
| 15:07.41 | cjb | mickeyl: but in unstable, it looks like you've moved the registration logic higher up where it's not easy to repeat |
| 15:08.42 | mickeyl | that's right. in order to reduce latency when clicking the phone button |
| 15:08.53 | mickeyl | the handshaking is more stable though now |
| 15:08.57 | mickeyl | it was broken until yesterday |
| 15:09.08 | mickeyl | + you get some informatin about the current state |
| 15:09.33 | hipitihop | ah... still upgrading from 09/04 image so we'll see |
| 15:11.34 | mickeyl | i'm trying to keep zhone not breaking into pieces for ms3 |
| 15:11.40 | swc|666 | any idea on how to get /dev/input/event0 to activate xdotool click 3 on a non FSO debian installation? |
| 15:11.44 | mickeyl | but the amount of work necessary is increasing heavily |
| 15:11.54 | mickeyl | so i'm really tempted to stop doing that |
| 15:12.26 | cjb | mickeyl: I have an AT&T SIM, it takes multiple registration attempts on every OM distro. |
| 15:12.46 | mickeyl | can you give me a log? |
| 15:12.47 | OdyX | lindi-: I can't get how you use matchbox for switching apps in debian |
| 15:12.49 | cjb | mickeyl: so it would be great to have some way to trigger a re-register |
| 15:13.44 | cjb | mickeyl: it's http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666 -- I get CME error 13 about two times, and then the third registration or so works. |
| 15:14.15 | cjb | but yeah, can get a log too. I tried unstable and it didn't connect or leave me a way to trigger another attempt. |
| 15:14.31 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:14.38 | mickeyl | well |
| 15:14.42 | mickeyl | the infamous #666 |
| 15:14.51 | mickeyl | which is clearly chipset thing |
| 15:14.56 | cjb | yes |
| 15:14.58 | cjb | or firmware |
| 15:15.30 | mickeyl | we have this ad-hoc menu now where you can make a screenshot and restart zhone |
| 15:15.40 | mickeyl | would you like to make a patch so that it triggers reregistration? |
| 15:15.47 | mickeyl | (add a menu entry for that) |
| 15:15.50 | cjb | sounds good to me :) |
| 15:16.02 | slaxxin | cjb that wouls be a 71234G would it not? |
| 15:16.08 | cjb | slaxxin: correct |
| 15:16.25 | slaxxin | trade it for a 71234O |
| 15:16.25 | cjb | slaxxin: I also tried a D. I've been told to try and O, but my local AT&T store says it only has D and G. |
| 15:16.44 | cjb | So I guess I have to call AT&T or something, and that sounds like pain. |
| 15:17.01 | slaxxin | look at the contacts on the back side of the paper |
| 15:17.19 | cjb | mickeyl: not sure whether you meant me or you, I'm happy to if you point me at the menu code and how you'd like registration to be triggered again :) |
| 15:17.30 | slaxxin | an see if the contacts are way over to the edge |
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| 15:17.52 | cjb | slaxxin: what good will it do me if they are? I don't have a better SIM, or a way of getting one. |
| 15:18.12 | slaxxin | if they are to the very edge u need a sim thats not so close to the edge |
| 15:18.30 | cjb | ... |
| 15:18.31 | slaxxin | theres always a way |
| 15:18.59 | slaxxin | an dont try to tape it either |
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| 15:19.18 | hipitihop | bugger got following on upgrade on unstable. Collected errors: |
| 15:19.18 | hipitihop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.18 | hipitihop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.18 | hipitihop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.40 | cjb | slaxxin: I agree that it sounds possible if I'm willing to spend significant money or time on it. I haven't found the time yet. |
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| 15:21.28 | slaxxin | tach support tells me that the phone is the problem,,, i think its att's way of determining who has anon att phone |
| 15:21.53 | rooly|away | what's the prob, slaxx? |
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| 15:23.26 | hipitihop | waits for slap with wet fish for flooding the channel |
| 15:23.53 | OdyX | slaps hipitihop with wet fish. |
| 15:24.04 | OdyX | ;) |
| 15:24.18 | rooly|away | slaps hipitihop in the left testicle with a baseball bat |
| 15:24.23 | hipitihop | I needed that |
| 15:24.25 | sirkha_top | how is openmoko inc set up, business wise, i am curious |
| 15:24.38 | hipitihop | ouch |
| 15:24.41 | sirkha_top | (where is it incorporated, how is it incorporated?) |
| 15:25.07 | rooly|away | i believe it's a taiwanese or chinese company |
| 15:25.16 | slaxxin | i need my fish back please |
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| 15:25.39 | rooly|away | but, then again, i'm not particularly sure |
| 15:25.48 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.53 | rooly|away | so slaxxin, what's the problem you were going on about right when i enetered the channel |
| 15:25.59 | sicu | and hipitihop needs his left testicle back .... |
| 15:26.01 | slaxxin | oo |
| 15:26.09 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.12 | Tig| | rooly: he is missing his fish I think |
| 15:26.27 | rooly | ah what? |
| 15:26.47 | rooly | oh well |
| 15:26.50 | rooly | stuff to do |
| 15:26.50 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.58 | rooly | byes |
| 15:26.59 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.20 | sirkha_top | *googles around* seems like its a subsidiary of fic |
| 15:27.52 | Tig| | hipitihop: I had the very same error when I updated to unstable |
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| 15:28.46 | hipitihop | Tig|, what did you end up doing ? |
| 15:28.58 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra4426e45879b 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.plugin: do not ignore touchscreen events |
| 15:28.59 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r468da20ada3b 10/opimd/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 |
| 15:29.01 | lindi- | OdyX: you can install matchbox-panel? |
| 15:29.07 | Tig| | hipitihop: ignoring it and everything seems to work :) |
| 15:29.09 | lindi- | OdyX: or add title to matchbox-window-manager |
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| 15:29.40 | Tig| | hipitihop: I ran opkg upgrade again and it did not complain or even do anything |
| 15:30.32 | Tig| | but that could be because opkg is not very bright :) |
| 15:30.51 | hipitihop | Tig|, finished upgrade and rebooted and still no sim registering so I'll try the cli-framework and try debug things like mickeyl suggests. but time for bed here |
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| 15:31.27 | Tig| | ah see if it works after a reboot, it is just getting to beer o'clock here :) |
| 15:31.59 | Tig| | I used to have sim registering issues on fso a while ago but mine seem to be fixed now I think |
| 15:32.01 | hipitihop | funny thing is I noticed this problem with fso back when when I was running testing ... it worked for a while and then after some update/upgrade it stopped. That's why I switched and flashed 2008.8 and it was fine |
| 15:32.26 | Tig| | I think there is something squiffy in the GSM firmware |
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| 15:32.51 | OdyX | lindi-: yes. But the panel doesn't let access to tangogps e.g. |
| 15:33.09 | hipitihop | now back to fso, this time unstable and still seem to have problem. anyway as I said I'll try and make some sense of cli-framework tomorrow and maybe provide something usefull for mickeyl |
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| 15:33.48 | hipitihop | Tig|, and others, thanks for your help. |
| 15:34.10 | hipitihop | waves goodnight to the residents from Aus |
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| 15:34.22 | Tig| | night night hipitihop |
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| 15:41.33 | lindi- | OdyX: use terminal to start it |
| 15:41.44 | lindi- | OdyX: or get matchbox-desktop? |
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| 15:48.20 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * raa4871b45c2c 10/src/zhone: improve sending SMS stability, we now regularly try to send unsent messages |
| 15:51.49 | FxChiP | Port Gecko to OM |
| 15:51.53 | FxChiP | It needs it |
| 15:54.54 | lindi- | FxChiP: what porting does it need? |
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| 15:55.20 | FxChiP | To work on the platform |
| 15:55.21 | FxChiP | :P |
| 15:55.36 | lindi- | FxChiP: works fine for me |
| 15:55.39 | FxChiP | To be adequately sized on a 480x640 screen |
| 15:55.49 | FxChiP | In a cell phone design |
| 15:55.53 | FxChiP | Like Safari on the iPhone |
| 15:55.53 | FxChiP | etc. |
| 15:55.54 | lindi- | gecko is just the rendering engine |
| 15:55.55 | FxChiP | :D |
| 15:56.04 | FxChiP | Indeed it is |
| 15:56.13 | FxChiP | Has anyone made an interface for it on Om? |
| 15:56.36 | Tig| | I am sure I have seen a firefox ipg kicking around |
| 15:56.43 | Tig| | not tried it though |
| 15:57.08 | lindi- | FxChiP: i use midori |
| 15:57.26 | FxChiP | hmm. |
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| 16:02.26 | Tig| | runs opkg install firefox to see what happens :) |
| 16:06.25 | slaxxin | it might just work scotty |
| 16:07.58 | Tig| | launching from a terminal now |
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| 16:08.13 | Tig| | some gdk warnings |
| 16:08.30 | Tig| | more gdk warnings |
| 16:08.39 | Tig| | it is not quick this |
| 16:09.31 | Tig| | using half the cpu according to top |
| 16:10.05 | Tig| | coming upto a min from app start |
| 16:10.36 | Tig| | whaoo software licience page |
| 16:10.43 | Tig| | well part of it |
| 16:11.06 | Tig| | accepted it |
| 16:11.10 | Tig| | no gui yet |
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| 16:11.58 | Tig| | gui up |
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| 16:13.13 | Tig| | page up |
| 16:13.44 | Tig| | so intotal that is around 2 minutes from starting it to a web page, might be faster next time |
| 16:14.22 | Tig| | it is very slow though at the moment |
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| 16:16.07 | lindi- | just use midori |
| 16:16.19 | Kensan | Tig|: maybe you want to try Minimo? |
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| 16:33.56 | Zorkman | llo all |
| 16:34.02 | Zorkman | anything new happend the last few days? |
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| 16:34.45 | jadams__ | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone3/ eager for that link to stop being dead |
| 16:34.54 | Zorkman | ah, it's finally done |
| 16:35.23 | Zorkman | you had me there for a moment :) |
| 16:35.32 | jadams__ | Zorkman, :) |
| 16:35.37 | jadams__ | Zorkman, I said it was a dead link |
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| 16:35.59 | Zorkman | dead because everybody in the world that has a freerunner is waiting for it |
| 16:36.11 | Zorkman | that must be like 2 simultanious downloads :P |
| 16:36.14 | jadams__ | neo1973, esp :) |
| 16:36.27 | jadams__ | Zorkman, no, it's referenced on the wiki but the comment for the update of that page was 'preparing for release' |
| 16:36.32 | jadams__ | so the point is, it'll be live soon |
| 16:36.58 | Zorkman | yeah I know, but mickeyl's estimates are always a bit too optimistic :) |
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| 16:37.45 | Tig| | Kensan: I have that installed I was just curious :) |
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| 16:38.56 | RayDar | thinks about switching to Konversation. It seems to be popular. |
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| 16:39.48 | Zorkman | OMGWTFBBQ duke3d ??? |
| 16:39.59 | CVirus | RayDar: been using it for over 4 years |
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| 16:40.38 | Zorkman | anybody played duke3d on the FR? |
| 16:40.56 | RayDar | CVirus: Welly well well. Aren't you the early adopted child? |
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| 16:41.27 | Dave | ZORKMAN |
| 16:41.42 | CVirus | RayDar: excuse me ? |
| 16:41.43 | Zorkman | DAVE |
| 16:41.45 | Dave | ooh lookie, it's jadams ;p |
| 16:41.54 | Zorkman | :D |
| 16:42.00 | Zorkman | DAve did you play DN3d? |
| 16:42.11 | Dave | what happened to wolf3d? |
| 16:42.16 | Dave | one of the best games of all time |
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| 16:42.19 | Dave | how did you skip it!? |
| 16:42.19 | RayDar | CVirus: Konversation looks about the same as KSirc (what I am currently using). But since I use KDE, I suspect Konversation will just work better. |
| 16:43.13 | RayDar | CVirus: Oh I was just being silly. Nevermind. :) |
| 16:43.18 | hama | dn3d for fr?? |
| 16:43.25 | Zorkman | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U |
| 16:43.29 | Zorkman | http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ |
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| 16:43.48 | RayDar | wonders if he should upgrade his uboot. |
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| 16:44.00 | hama | is this link for fr? |
| 16:44.30 | Zorkman | yes |
| 16:44.33 | RayDar | Another day, another compile. |
| 16:44.39 | hama | :( |
| 16:44.42 | hama | :) |
| 16:44.47 | hama | wrong key |
| 16:44.54 | RayDar | C# |
| 16:44.56 | RayDar | wrong key |
| 16:46.32 | hama | oh, runns only under debian? |
| 16:47.07 | RayDar | I removed the little wire from my mouse that makes the scroll wheel click. Now it spins freely. I like it. |
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| 16:49.36 | lindi- | Zorkman: are the graphics DFSG-free? |
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| 16:50.13 | torindel | Zorkman: duke3d in 240x320 ;p |
| 16:50.16 | torindel | -__-; |
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| 16:51.54 | Dave | torindel, is that even 3d then? |
| 16:52.12 | Dave | I'm pretty sure it only qualifies as 3d if you can SEE each dimension |
| 16:52.13 | Dave | ;p |
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| 16:52.42 | RayDar | When you hit 4D, you're over the hill. |
| 16:52.48 | hama | lol# |
| 16:53.04 | Dave | :( |
| 16:53.30 | hama | gta02 suports 3d through hardware? |
| 16:53.46 | eliasp | hama: yes |
| 16:53.47 | torindel | hama: nope |
| 16:53.56 | torindel | it doesnt since driver doesnt |
| 16:54.25 | torindel | Dave: well duke had 3d world and 2d sprites (monsters ;]) |
| 16:54.44 | nyu | and hot girls |
| 16:54.48 | hama | yes, duke has fake 3d |
| 16:54.59 | torindel | nyu: 2d hot girls ;] |
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| 16:55.26 | hama | but the youtube-movie looks pretty well :) |
| 16:55.54 | toggles_w | zhone eh? looks good |
| 16:55.56 | Mononoke | it laggs here |
| 16:56.03 | Mononoke | but i don't use fso image |
| 16:56.05 | OdyX | lindi-: concerning "I use midori" and "gecko" - AFAIK, midori uses webkit... |
| 16:56.26 | torindel | Mononoke: i asume you switched res to 240x320? |
| 16:56.42 | Mononoke | sure |
| 16:56.53 | torindel | it'd still lag? -__- |
| 16:57.01 | Mononoke | it's imho cause of 2008.9 is quite slow >.> |
| 16:57.09 | Mononoke | hides before someone wants to argue |
| 16:57.10 | lindi- | OdyX: ah |
| 16:57.18 | lindi- | OdyX: no wonder it was so fast :) |
| 16:57.32 | RayDar | That Duke Nukem demo is pretty sweet. |
| 16:58.13 | OdyX | lindi-: it even passes Acid3 on the FR ;) |
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| 16:58.27 | hama | acid3? |
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| 17:00.07 | eliasp | hama: acid tests are tests to check browsers how good their CSS/DOM/... support is... includes pitfalls like unclosed tags, non-standard syntax etc. ... Acid3 was the last big one of the tests, including even rendering of SVG |
| 17:00.08 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r12da14f4e01d 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (idlenotifier.plugin idlenotifier.vala): Ensure that the device does not fall into SUSPEND state except when the DBus interface is used |
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| 17:01.01 | hama | thx |
| 17:01.09 | eliasp | hama: http://acid3.acidtests.org/ |
| 17:01.28 | nyu | OdyX: duke nukem passes acid3? |
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| 17:01.43 | hama | :) |
| 17:01.59 | OdyX | nyu: sure ;) nope... midori |
| 17:02.13 | hama | yes, he passed in level 4 i guess |
| 17:02.31 | Dave | :p |
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| 17:03.31 | nyu | hama: heck, why not. I heard duke3d is a conformant implementation of DIS 29500 |
| 17:03.45 | hama | how to write a text to a special person? just write the name with ':'? |
| 17:04.07 | nyu | using the KickAssLikeDuke3D extension |
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| 17:04.15 | hama | lol |
| 17:04.15 | eliasp | hama: yes (if it should be public visible) |
| 17:04.35 | eliasp | hama: write "/msg personsname message" to send it only to this person |
| 17:04.40 | hama | rliasp: uh, thanks m8 |
| 17:04.43 | hama | oh |
| 17:05.05 | eliasp | hama: TABcompletion might help ;) |
| 17:05.06 | hama | my tiny laptop-keyboard.. grrmblflix |
| 17:05.22 | hama | eliasp: uh, ok |
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| 17:06.23 | hama | or better to say: my fat fingers?? |
| 17:06.49 | baze | is there a screencast of raster's illume keyboard available anywhere? |
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| 17:09.25 | me | OMG, somebody could help me please? |
| 17:09.31 | me | I have a biiig problem with 2008.8 :S |
| 17:09.40 | jadams__ | me: are you gta01 or 2? |
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| 17:10.07 | me | gta02 |
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| 17:10.45 | me | my neo is stupid... |
| 17:10.53 | hama | :) |
| 17:11.19 | hama | install IQ-fix |
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| 17:11.26 | me | the server x doesn't start and I see a funny login |
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| 17:12.03 | me | NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! |
| 17:12.04 | me | SPANK SPANK SPANK! |
| 17:12.04 | me | Now go fix you code. Tut tut tut!! |
| 17:12.04 | me | what is this? |
| 17:12.10 | RayDar | me: I will take that stupid neo off your hands for you. |
| 17:12.11 | me | my neo is going mad? |
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| 17:14.00 | RayDar | I am accepting all mad naughty stupid neos. |
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| 17:15.45 | me | RayDar: have you read the words above? |
| 17:16.23 | Tanuva | me: thats an error message of the e-libs |
| 17:16.41 | Tanuva | there must be more info above that |
| 17:17.09 | RayDar | me: Sounds like your neo is a bit on the kinky side. |
| 17:17.42 | theocrite | 1 |
| 17:18.24 | mowah | where do I set freerunners ip address in vista? |
| 17:18.53 | hama | what is vista? |
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| 17:19.20 | mowah | you should know :P |
| 17:21.57 | Tanuva | mowah: you dont set the freerunner's ip in vista |
| 17:22.09 | hama | mowah: not sure if this will help you: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows#USB_Ethernet_emulation |
| 17:22.12 | Kensan | mowah: the FR has the ip 192.168.0.202 |
| 17:23.43 | mowah | I think I found it :) |
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| 17:25.24 | hama | transfering files over usb with ssh is realy slow... is there a ftp-server i can setup on my fr? |
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| 17:26.39 | torindel | install ftp on your pc |
| 17:26.45 | torindel | on use nc |
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| 17:26.56 | torindel | (it wont be that much faster) |
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| 17:27.02 | torindel | better setup wifi |
| 17:27.09 | hama | i guess so :( |
| 17:27.11 | RayDar | Does the neo have NFS. |
| 17:27.12 | RayDar | ? |
| 17:27.14 | akus | hello chan |
| 17:27.16 | akus | :-D |
| 17:27.21 | torindel | RayDar: yes |
| 17:27.25 | hama | nfs is a god isea :) |
| 17:27.57 | hama | got my wifi ease |
| 17:28.16 | lindi- | RayDar: NFS is not hardware related in any way |
| 17:28.35 | hama | get to work under 2008.8, but i have no luck with 2008.8-update... dunno why... |
| 17:29.36 | RayDar | lindi-: I know. I was just wondering if by default the NFS software was there. |
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| 17:29.52 | hama | its strange, my wifi-router sees no connection from fr... |
| 17:31.02 | hama | i look in the logs, all other devices are logged, even if they use the wrong connection-type. only the fr doesnt produce 1 log entry... |
| 17:31.13 | RayDar | It's funny that wifi is faster than USB. |
| 17:31.35 | hama | gta03 with usb2.0 :) |
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| 17:33.04 | lindi- | RayDar: "by default" does not mean much anymore :) |
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| 17:42.52 | prjktdtnt | dances |
| 17:43.04 | prjktdtnt | just received and powered on my openmoko |
| 17:43.37 | OdyX | When flashing a FSO image, is it necessary to someway flash the modules ? |
| 17:43.46 | cjb | I don't think so |
| 17:43.49 | cjb | I haven't been doing it |
| 17:43.52 | jadams__ | nope |
| 17:43.53 | cjb | prjktdtnt: congrats |
| 17:43.57 | OdyX | OKay. |
| 17:44.25 | OdyX | Thanks. I hope my FSO experience will superseed my Debian's and OM2008.08's |
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| 17:44.51 | prjktdtnt | cjb: thanks, now to find a good image to flash to it that has a little more help in the settings department (silencing rings and such) |
| 17:44.55 | hama | is it worth to switch to FSO? |
| 17:45.18 | jadams__ | hama, I'd wait for milestone 3 at this point, as I'm expecting it to be out today or so based on a recent wiki edit linking to it |
| 17:45.29 | OdyX | Wondering... is FSO using dash for init or some similar optimisation ? |
| 17:45.39 | OdyX | weel... have to go. Keep answering ;) |
| 17:46.39 | hama | jadams__: so i will take a look tomorrow :) |
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| 17:48.37 | Fale | http://pastebin.ca/1198333 <-- what I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:49.04 | Fale | the right defive is intf"2" |
| 17:49.13 | Fale | *devicee |
| 17:49.46 | swc|666 | so is there a terminal with fso/debian? |
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| 17:51.25 | lindi- | swc|666: apt-get install xterm |
| 17:51.30 | hama | Fale: hmm, if i am not wrong, your device is named something like 0x044e:0x300c |
| 17:52.27 | Fale | hama: Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
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| 17:52.53 | swc|666 | right, but iirc, FSO's GUI only has 4 buttons and no way to launch a terminal.. or am i mistaken? 0o |
| 17:52.57 | hama | Fale: use the 0x1d50:0x119 |
| 17:53.21 | Fale | hama: where I have to write it in the konsole line? |
| 17:53.45 | hama | Fale: if i remember right, you havt to use the -d instaed of the -a option... |
| 17:53.58 | Fale | hama: thx :) |
| 17:54.00 | prjktdtnt | if flashing the phone to http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ do I need the u-boot update contained there also? |
| 17:54.06 | hama | Fale: -d 0x2d50... |
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| 17:55.04 | Fale | hama: is working :) thx :) |
| 17:55.25 | hama | Fale: :) |
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| 17:56.18 | hama | btw, nice irc-channel here. thanks all for the help :) |
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| 18:00.32 | hama | is there a way to get the x-server/home-menu back after suspend? 2008.8-update |
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| 18:06.02 | prjktdtnt | is there a way to tell the dfu-util to look only at the neo FR? it sees my bluetooth module and refuses to do anything |
| 18:06.49 | hama | prjktdtnt: use the -d option instaed of the -a option |
| 18:07.03 | prjktdtnt | thanks |
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| 18:07.28 | hama | prjktdtnt: -d device-name = 0x433 (your device name) |
| 18:07.52 | prjktdtnt | hama: 0x413c:0x8127? |
| 18:07.56 | hama | prjktdtnt: you get the name with dfu-utils --list |
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| 18:08.04 | Chocky | bitches, dave and bbq. |
| 18:08.05 | hama | prjktdtnt, yes |
| 18:08.10 | Fale | http://pastebin.ca/1198351 <-- error -84 :( |
| 18:08.11 | prjktdtnt | hama: thanks :) |
| 18:08.40 | mmontour | hama: use the -d option *in addition to* the -a option |
| 18:08.43 | Chocky | I just wanted to express my dismay at the state of OM2008/ASU. It really is shockingly bad. It's so slow as to be indescriable. |
| 18:09.03 | hama | mmontour: sure? |
| 18:09.17 | Chocky | why isn't someone incredibly embarassed about it, after all the noise over FR/OM? |
| 18:09.32 | Chocky | that is all I have to say. |
| 18:09.33 | mmontour | -d specifies the target device, -a specifies the target partition on that device |
| 18:09.57 | hama | Fale: seems like u try the wrong image to the wrong place... |
| 18:10.29 | hama | mmontour: you are so right... thanks.. was a bit ago when i used it, sorry all |
| 18:10.54 | Fale | hama: the image is right... I'm not sure about the place... |
| 18:11.03 | hama | Fale: so thats why you got the error.. my fault |
| 18:11.19 | Fale | hama: what's the right place? |
| 18:11.26 | hama | fale: like mmontour says: -a place |
| 18:11.39 | Fale | hama: thx :) |
| 18:11.52 | mmontour | "-a rootfs" for a .jffs2 file, "-a kernel" for a uImage, etc. |
| 18:12.22 | wurp2|working | I keep conflating hama and Fale's nicks to see a 'female' posting |
| 18:12.27 | wurp2|working | which is obviously impossible |
| 18:12.47 | hama | lol |
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| 18:13.43 | jrei | hi |
| 18:14.00 | prjktdtnt | trying to make a backup of the current state of my FR here's the problem I'm getting with dfu-util |
| 18:14.02 | prjktdtnt | http://pastebin.com/m2f4c4527 |
| 18:14.07 | RayDar | Hello REI. |
| 18:14.42 | jrei | lukily i will recive my freerunner next monday, and i am trying to use qemu to test the ASU distribution |
| 18:15.12 | jrei | i have the empty image for gta01 flashed into the emulator |
| 18:15.18 | mmontour | prjktdtnt: you're missing the "-a" in front of "kernel", but don't bother because dfu-util upload is broken (causes data corruption) |
| 18:15.42 | prjktdtnt | mmontour: so making a backup using dfu-util won't work then? |
| 18:16.17 | mmontour | that's right - see bug #676 and some other newer one. |
| 18:16.18 | jrei | can anyone point me out where i can find a desctiption to install packages in an empty image where i have no onscreen keyboard or ssh connection? |
| 18:16.50 | Fossi | is there any easy way to get into a 2007.2 when you have forgotten your root password and the terminal won't start? |
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| 18:20.46 | prjktdtnt | also since I asked a few minutes ago and didn't receive an answer, when flashing to 2008.8-update do you need to update the uboot also? |
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| 18:21.40 | mmontour | you don't need to update u-boot when flashing to 2008.8-update |
| 18:21.45 | viq | prjktdtnt: I installed 2k8 onto a card and didn't update uboot |
| 18:21.54 | prjktdtnt | viq: thanks |
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| 18:25.27 | prjktdtnt | dfu-util spits this out: No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs"? |
| 18:25.55 | jrei | is there any howto emulate gta02 with qemu? |
| 18:26.31 | prjktdtnt | brb need to move laundry to dryer |
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| 18:30.30 | prjktdtnt | back, so anyone recognize the error about "No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs"? |
| 18:30.31 | sicu | prjktdtnt: the FR can do that for you with 2k8.8 ;) |
| 18:30.40 | prjktdtnt | suci: ? |
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| 18:31.46 | prjktdtnt | nevermind, figured out what you meant |
| 18:31.52 | sicu | :p |
| 18:32.12 | hama | ./dfu-util -a rootfs --device 0x1d50:0x5119 -R -D ./Om2008.8-gta02-20080904.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 18:32.41 | mmontour | prjktdtnt: try running the command a second time (sometimes the first attempt fails) |
| 18:33.50 | jrei | anyone some experiance with qemu here? |
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| 18:42.09 | prjktdtnt | ok so it continues to spit back -110 errors or alternate unknown errors in dfu-util |
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| 18:43.40 | sicu | the FR should work fine with a 16 and 32 gb µSD card, right? |
| 18:43.59 | mjr | yes, once those become available |
| 18:44.41 | ShellEvil | Even larger should be possible - unless the SD people drop the ball. |
| 18:44.54 | sicu | =] |
| 18:45.08 | mjr | yeah, that depends on their sanity and/or greed |
| 18:46.02 | sicu | 16gb should be here early oct ... not sure about 32 |
| 18:46.07 | jrei | so 1GB will work? |
| 18:46.23 | jrei | nevermind |
| 18:46.27 | sicu | heh :p |
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| 18:48.55 | jrei | is there any way to activate the usb eth0 without doing anything on the current asu testing img |
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| 18:52.26 | hama | jrei: is there something else like here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking ? |
| 18:52.43 | drjnut | Hi there! |
| 18:52.56 | jrei | thanks, i am currently @ that page |
| 18:53.04 | prjktdtnt | error get_status: error sending control message: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character |
| 18:53.49 | hama | prjktdtnt_ wide character? try a smaller font... sry, only kidding... |
| 18:53.57 | prjktdtnt | hama: lol |
| 18:54.56 | prjktdtnt | at least it's giving me something other than a -110 error |
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| 18:56.26 | prjktdtnt | i wonder if I disabled my bluetooth since it seems to be the other device that dfu-util is finding that my problem would go away |
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| 18:56.40 | prjktdtnt | wait a tick |
| 18:56.50 | prjktdtnt | wrong device....wow I feel like an idiot |
| 18:57.26 | rooly|away | ... |
| 18:57.48 | prjktdtnt | slaps self |
| 18:58.36 | rooly|away | woo hoo |
| 18:58.45 | rooly|away | street map of the entire world being downloaded... |
| 18:59.12 | edistar | rooly|away: where? |
| 18:59.13 | prjktdtnt | dances because dfu-util is working properly |
| 19:00.14 | drjnut | prjktdtnt, x86_64? |
| 19:00.19 | rooly|away | from osm |
| 19:00.21 | rooly|away | via a script |
| 19:00.40 | edistar | rooly|away: ah, ok |
| 19:00.49 | edistar | quite unfair really, poor OSM servers |
| 19:00.53 | mowah | how long will gta02 last on a full battery? |
| 19:00.54 | prjktdtnt | drjnut: no was passing the wrong device to dfu-util (i think i tried to flash my bluetooth chip in my laptop, whoops) |
| 19:00.56 | rooly|away | yeah, i know... |
| 19:01.08 | rooly|away | edistar: i'm going to mirror it when i finish, however |
| 19:01.11 | edistar | mowah: ca 48h with suspend |
| 19:01.17 | drjnut | prjktdtnt, same here! I just disconnected it... |
| 19:01.18 | edistar | rooly|away: cool, I want a link ;) |
| 19:01.43 | prjktdtnt | drjnut: next time I think i will, for now I know what device to flash so it isn't a problem anymore |
| 19:01.44 | rooly|away | i'm up to zoom level 7, and only using 15 megs |
| 19:01.45 | drjnut | prjktdtnt, but I'll alias the "-d" thing soon |
| 19:01.53 | drjnut | yup |
| 19:02.25 | prjktdtnt | is the usb interface on the FR usb 2 or usb 1? |
| 19:02.40 | rooly|away | 1 |
| 19:03.08 | prjktdtnt | so i can probably go smoke a cigarette and this thing still won't be done flashing then |
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| 19:03.20 | rooly|away | it'll take around 10 minutes |
| 19:03.26 | prjktdtnt | ok, brb for me then |
| 19:03.34 | mjr | the flashing isn't limited by the usb 1.1 really either |
| 19:03.39 | mjr | it's slower than that |
| 19:03.46 | |FiLiP| | mowah: after 48hours, my FR was down to about 50% on battery (using latest qtopia, bluetooth and wifi off, only sent/received a couple of sms |
| 19:04.48 | rooly|away | jesus christ, |FiLiP| |
| 19:04.53 | rooly|away | which os |
| 19:05.00 | Bill | rooly|away: qtopia does that easy |
| 19:05.01 | edistar | qtopia |
| 19:05.06 | rooly|away | ic |
| 19:05.09 | hama | cant be under 200809... |
| 19:05.12 | rooly|away | must be the latest version |
| 19:05.12 | Bill | mine is 2 days now.. 2 bars left |
| 19:05.15 | |FiLiP| | latest qtopia. Registered to GSM network, GPS/BT off |
| 19:05.24 | rooly|away | i can't get about 8-10 hours out of 2007 |
| 19:05.31 | mjr | using suspend, I wager - is that semireliable nowadays then? |
| 19:05.35 | Bill | and have had something like 15 mins of calls in that time |
| 19:06.01 | rooly|away | so power savings are better now? |
| 19:06.06 | cjb | mjr: don't think so |
| 19:06.07 | rooly|away | or is there a gta02v6 |
| 19:06.09 | Bill | but same.. BT/wifi/gps off |
| 19:06.20 | Bill | mine is v5 |
| 19:06.21 | |FiLiP| | looks like it, I was surprised as well |
| 19:06.23 | lindi- | cjb: i use suspend all the time :) |
| 19:06.26 | rooly|away | hmm... |
| 19:06.33 | edistar | Bill: everyone has v5 afaik |
| 19:06.43 | cjb | lindi-: I was getting regular crashes with 2008.8 |
| 19:06.43 | Bill | edistar: at least everyone we know ) |
| 19:06.45 | Bill | :) |
| 19:07.00 | lindi- | cjb: in linux? |
| 19:07.15 | hama | lindi: under qtopia? |
| 19:07.16 | |FiLiP| | I think mine is gta02v6 (with additional capacitor pre-installed on CF contacts) |
| 19:07.44 | cjb | lindi-: screen turns off for suspend, nothing happens when I hit the power button to wake it up |
| 19:07.51 | cjb | but holding down power to reset works |
| 19:08.01 | hama | same here |
| 19:08.17 | lindi- | hama: with http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta02.bin and fso-frameworkd |
| 19:08.28 | Bill | |FiLiP|: cat /proc/cpuinfo what revision does it tell you? |
| 19:08.29 | hama | only get a 'white' screen back after a longer suspend-time |
| 19:08.43 | Bill | hama: i get that randomly |
| 19:08.49 | lindi- | cjb: if you write a C program that constantly blinks the LED is it able to blink it? |
| 19:08.51 | Bill | about once in 2-3 days |
| 19:08.53 | hama | lindi:i ll try ms3 next days :) |
| 19:09.04 | |FiLiP| | according to Nokia, you should avoid rebooting (at least for their maemo n8xx devices), because ut consumers much more power than leaving it suspended |
| 19:09.27 | Bill | ms3 out?? |
| 19:09.35 | rooly|away | lindi-: sure |
| 19:10.06 | cjb | lindi-: dunno. I'd suspect that it's hung in kernel driver resume, since the screen didn't come back. |
| 19:10.28 | cjb | anyway, it's not like the idea that resume isn't stable is a new one. It's mentioned almost every day on the kernel list. People are working on it. |
| 19:10.28 | lindi- | cjb: can you write kernel space thread to do the blinking? |
| 19:10.30 | Bill | ow.. one active ticket remaining.. nice |
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| 19:10.40 | rooly|away | i've already written a shell daemon to do the same thing |
| 19:10.40 | rooly|away | or do you mean during suspend |
| 19:11.45 | hama | Bill: what value i have to look at cpuinfo? |
| 19:11.45 | Bill | revision |
| 19:11.47 | hama | 0360? |
| 19:11.50 | cjb | he means for testing where resume is failing. but I think that the people working on resume are using serial ports, and that my work would not be worth much if I did that. |
| 19:12.10 | Bill | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#History |
| 19:12.19 | Bill | v6 it is |
| 19:12.41 | hama | so same here with v6 :) |
| 19:12.54 | rooly|away | so you guys have gta02v6 |
| 19:13.26 | prjktdtnt | ok fingers crossed that the flash works |
| 19:13.26 | fredrin | rooly|away: how can you tell? |
| 19:13.26 | hama | and there is NO problem with gta02v5?? |
| 19:13.33 | Bill | hama: not after kernel patches |
| 19:13.41 | Bill | for SD clock |
| 19:14.00 | prjktdtnt | looks like it worked since i'm getting the "booting" screen |
| 19:14.17 | hama | bill: for v6? or for all revisions? what patch? |
| 19:14.19 | |FiLiP| | yep, revision 0360 |
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| 19:14.50 | Bill | iirc v6 didn't need it.. has a hw fix.. the capacitor |
| 19:15.07 | hama | well, i have this problems after suspend :( |
| 19:15.11 | hama | 200809 |
| 19:15.28 | hama | up-to-date upgraded... (4 hours ago) |
| 19:15.34 | Bill | umm.. |
| 19:15.47 | Bill | hama: what problem do you mean? white screen of death? |
| 19:15.51 | Bill | or...? |
| 19:15.54 | hama | bill: yes |
| 19:15.55 | Bill | any other techincal issues? |
| 19:16.01 | Bill | that's still there |
| 19:16.02 | hama | wsod |
| 19:16.15 | Bill | but it isn't hw related afaik |
| 19:16.38 | hama | looks like the x-server got a problem... |
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| 19:16.46 | Bill | the main difference between the v5 and v6 is the gps signal interference by SD clock |
| 19:17.06 | Bill | which got patched and SD clock turned off when SD is not in use |
| 19:17.17 | hama | i feel the fr wakes up, ssh (usb) is up again, but no screen |
| 19:17.28 | cjb | hama: oh, that's interesting |
| 19:17.30 | hama | yes, read that |
| 19:18.35 | hama | cjb: the fr vibrate for a short time (1-2 times) the screen goes white and that is all u see from it |
| 19:19.53 | hama | cjb: but the sshd works... i had a file-transfer during duspend: the transfer stopped untill i waked the fr up with a short push on the power-button |
| 19:21.08 | hama | cjb: then the transfer continued :) |
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| 19:22.36 | wurp2|working | hama: That should work at least until TCP times out |
| 19:22.57 | wurp2|working | I've restarted the network on a server w/o interrupting my ssh session |
| 19:23.15 | hama | wurp2|working: yep, when i wait for time-out, the client stops, sure |
| 19:24.02 | prjktdtnt | dances some more |
| 19:24.02 | prjktdtnt | trying to get a GPS fix right now, i like 2008.8's style much more :) |
| 19:24.53 | Dave | gps dances? |
| 19:25.15 | Dave | Does the dance help to give you a position fix? |
| 19:25.35 | Dave | Maybe it makes it more easy for the satellite to locate the crazy lunatic wielding the device :D |
| 19:25.38 | hama | dance is for rain |
| 19:25.38 | prjktdtnt | dave: sadly no |
| 19:25.46 | Dave | :D |
| 19:25.48 | Dave | hama :D |
| 19:25.58 | prjktdtnt | in fact it didn't get a fix even when I sat still |
| 19:26.13 | hama | try to hide! |
| 19:26.41 | Dave | It rained hard this morning |
| 19:26.47 | Dave | prjktdtnt: DAMN YOUR DANCING! |
| 19:26.54 | hama | :) |
| 19:26.57 | Dave | :P |
| 19:27.00 | jrei | would it be possible to at least get the onscreen keyboard on the Om08 images? |
| 19:27.19 | jrei | and terminal |
| 19:27.35 | jrei | <-- adicted to terminal |
| 19:27.42 | Dave | haha |
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| 19:28.34 | jrei | i have the testing 08 image running in qemu, but there is only the installer and home. |
| 19:28.43 | jrei | what a sick joke |
| 19:28.45 | jrei | ^^ |
| 19:29.13 | hama | you have network? |
| 19:29.19 | jrei | no |
| 19:29.28 | jrei | i need a terminal to enable it |
| 19:29.38 | hama | try to use the installer and install terminal for further opkg-actions... |
| 19:29.47 | hama | ssh |
| 19:29.49 | jrei | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd |
| 19:30.30 | jrei | actualy i think there is no way to connect qemu with my pc without a terminal on the image |
| 19:31.01 | jrei | i didn't tried to upgrade FSO to ASU would that work? |
| 19:31.33 | jrei | but i have a fso image with a terminal |
| 19:31.52 | hama | hmm fso and asu are very different... |
| 19:32.19 | jrei | thats why i didn't tried jet |
| 19:32.33 | hama | dont think that will work |
| 19:32.55 | hama | without a very hard piece of work :) |
| 19:33.16 | jrei | I am no jet that desparate |
| 19:33.20 | wurp2|working | jrei: It would be much easier to install frameworkd & zhone on ASU |
| 19:33.30 | wurp2|working | and remove qpe/qtopia |
| 19:33.59 | wurp2|working | jrei: But why ASU instead of debian? |
| 19:34.00 | jrei | if i had an asu image with a terminal and onscreen keyboard i would be happy |
| 19:34.15 | wurp2|working | jrei: Isn't 2008.8 such an image? |
| 19:34.18 | jrei | i am just testing |
| 19:34.30 | jrei | i need it for gta01 |
| 19:34.53 | wurp2|working | 2008.8 should have a release for gta01 |
| 19:35.06 | jrei | hm |
| 19:35.10 | jrei | where :) |
| 19:35.12 | wurp2|working | I am using gta01 (although I haven't run any ASU image) |
| 19:35.23 | wurp2|working | Same place as the FR one? |
| 19:35.45 | slaxxin | we need hackage |
| 19:35.57 | jrei | hm |
| 19:36.02 | jrei | nope all gta02 |
| 19:36.15 | jrei | at least on downloads.openmoko.org |
| 19:36.49 | slaxxin | my 2008.8 borked all by itself this time |
| 19:37.30 | prjktdtnt | does ASU come with a terminal by default? |
| 19:37.36 | prjktdtnt | err 2008.8 that is |
| 19:37.39 | jrei | nope |
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| 19:38.27 | prjktdtnt | that would just figure, if I can get this thing to connect to the network I might be able to do something useful |
| 19:38.38 | DEac- | i've a problem while calling somebody. i can't hear something and the other person can't hear me too |
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| 19:39.52 | hama | DEac-: to go sure thats not only the volume settings to low, try the alsamixer... |
| 19:40.07 | DEac- | ok |
| 19:40.35 | DEac- | btw. i use Om2008.8 |
| 19:41.20 | jrei | are there any debian images? |
| 19:41.26 | prjktdtnt | any other way to get 2008.8 online other than wifi? |
| 19:41.35 | jrei | usb ^^ |
| 19:41.55 | prjktdtnt | just connect to lappy's USB and forward? |
| 19:41.59 | lindi- | jrei: why do you want images? |
| 19:42.42 | jrei | because I am interested about the current status of the debian distribution for gta01 |
| 19:43.12 | lindi- | jrei: but why do you need an image for that? |
| 19:43.16 | jrei | prjktdtnt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide#Internet |
| 19:43.26 | prjktdtnt | jrei: thanks :) |
| 19:43.37 | jrei | because i only have that qemu emulator |
| 19:43.49 | hama | prjktdtnt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:44.05 | jrei | and didn't manage to build and add software by source |
| 19:44.16 | lindi- | jrei: hmm? |
| 19:44.37 | prjktdtnt | hama: thanks again |
| 19:44.47 | jrei | i can "flash" the qemu with gta01 images |
| 19:45.07 | lindi- | jrei: if you "flash" it with that image you should be able to run the installer inside qemu? |
| 19:45.08 | jrei | the milestone 2/fso image works fine |
| 19:45.19 | jrei | yes |
| 19:45.31 | DEac- | ok, i can hear me now. there's a way to save this state of the mixer? |
| 19:45.40 | jrei | but without a terminal i have no chance of activating network on qemu side |
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| 19:46.06 | jrei | alsactrl store |
| 19:46.13 | jrei | ? |
| 19:46.14 | DEac- | oh, that's interesting. if i call somebody, my audio mixer will be changed! |
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| 19:47.55 | lindi- | DEac-: fso-frameworkd changes them |
| 19:48.33 | DEac- | lindi-: i don't use fso, i use om2008.8 |
| 19:49.18 | lindi- | DEac-: have you read it's source code? |
| 19:49.23 | lindi- | s/it's/its/ |
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| 19:49.47 | jrei | does the wifi module support a list of the signalstrengths of all scanned accesspoints? |
| 19:49.47 | DEac- | no, i didn't yet |
| 19:51.00 | prjktdtnt | ok now USB networking is working, lets see if I can get the installer working now |
| 19:51.26 | jrei | can anyone tell me if "iwlist scan" works on the freerunner? |
| 19:52.09 | hama | jrei: iwlist eth0 scan work here as a charm |
| 19:52.18 | jrei | ncie |
| 19:52.22 | jrei | nice |
| 19:53.35 | jrei | maybe i will be able to provide some contextawareness based positions located by wifi |
| 19:54.01 | hama | contextawareness? |
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| 19:54.49 | jrei | in the beginning just positions and time to identify some contexts |
| 19:55.27 | jrei | including the gps information, will include movement outside |
| 19:56.12 | jrei | i will try to make it more easy to access those information for simple application development |
| 19:57.05 | jrei | the accelleration will be some nice extra data |
| 19:57.20 | jrei | but i will have to wait until i get the device |
| 19:57.23 | slaxxin | installed 20080908 |
| 19:57.52 | jrei | slaxxin: is there an image for gta01 and a terminal? xD |
| 19:58.07 | slaxxin | on this image? |
| 19:58.26 | jrei | yes? |
| 19:58.35 | slaxxin | look at the site |
| 19:58.52 | prjktdtnt | is there any plans to have the lock screen be similar to the one from 2007.2? too easy to unlock it on accident as sits IMO |
| 19:59.20 | slaxxin | i like zhones lock/unlocker |
| 19:59.49 | slaxxin | jrei shall i link u? |
| 20:00.41 | jrei | slaxxin: ? |
| 20:01.34 | jrei | slaxxin: i would like a link to an gta01 2008.9 img |
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| 20:02.33 | slaxxin | yea i guess alot of u guys would |
| 20:02.40 | slaxxin | 3500 ? |
| 20:02.47 | slaxxin | or 500? |
| 20:02.55 | jrei | its just fot the qemu |
| 20:04.30 | slaxxin | when the gta03 hits its going to be a real problem but at that point the open source community will have a good hold of things (i hope) |
| 20:04.57 | jrei | ? |
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| 20:09.01 | prjktdtnt | does the installer always take forever to install packages |
| 20:09.46 | slaxxin | hay thats cool i get a red indicator thats easy to see when the batt gets too low |
| 20:09.47 | hama | prjktdtnt: yes. forever and 3 mins |
| 20:09.57 | slaxxin | opkg is faster |
| 20:10.17 | prjktdtnt | hama and slaxxin: thanks :) |
| 20:10.29 | prjktdtnt | how do you cancel it if there's an install in progress? |
| 20:10.40 | hama | no good idea |
| 20:11.02 | jrei | ctrl c |
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| 20:11.25 | slaxxin | whick daily u have prjktdtnf? |
| 20:11.47 | prjktdtnt | 20080903 |
| 20:11.55 | prjktdtnt | wait that's the kernel |
| 20:12.02 | prjktdtnt | 20080908 |
| 20:12.05 | prjktdtnt | is the rootfs |
| 20:12.27 | hama | prjktdtnt: you can kill a task in the task-manager (upper-middle arrow) and chose remove |
| 20:12.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rbe3d72c6e5f5 10/src/zhone: |
| 20:12.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: fix ordering in cbCallStatus and add dbus_error logging helper |
| 20:12.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: SetStatus failed, but the exception was ignored because cbCallStatus is |
| 20:12.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: called from a dbus signal handler. |
| 20:12.37 | slaxxin | same here |
| 20:12.37 | prjktdtnt | sweet thx :) |
| 20:12.56 | hama | but killing a update-process can cause ugly things |
| 20:12.59 | prjktdtnt | opkg install illume-config right? |
| 20:13.28 | prjktdtnt | nm working now :) |
| 20:13.56 | slaxxin | resolv.conf is still empty |
| 20:14.33 | slaxxin | did u vi /etc/resolv |
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| 20:14.39 | slaxxin | .conf? |
| 20:15.24 | prjktdtnt | used echo for resolv |
| 20:15.34 | prjktdtnt | verified by pinging google and running opkg update |
| 20:16.03 | slaxxin | u used the wiki |
| 20:16.17 | slaxxin | it borks on me |
| 20:16.19 | prjktdtnt | to some extent |
| 20:16.27 | prjktdtnt | i have no idea how to use VI, |
| 20:16.33 | slaxxin | can u post a paste.bin? |
| 20:16.40 | prjktdtnt | of? |
| 20:16.51 | slaxxin | your procedure |
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| 20:17.06 | slaxxin | vi is too simple |
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| 20:17.21 | prjktdtnt | what linux distro are you using? I followed the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking page to set it up actually |
| 20:17.50 | prjktdtnt | this part specifically http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Configure_Default_Neo_DNS |
| 20:18.04 | slaxxin | when u get to the page u want then navigate to the line u want press "i" with no quotes to imput text |
| 20:18.15 | slaxxin | slackware 12.1 |
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| 20:19.01 | slaxxin | then to save u have to press esc 2 times then this :wq |
| 20:19.20 | DEac- | this keyboard, if i press on qwerty above, is sometimes a changeable keyboard (numbers, default, terminal) but sometimes only this unchangeable complicated keyboard. how i can say, that there's everytime only the changeable? |
| 20:19.21 | slaxxin | opkg install vim |
| 20:19.24 | prjktdtnt | I don't have any more time to mess around with my phone until after work, time for me to go get ready. |
| 20:19.29 | prjktdtnt | sighs |
| 20:19.40 | prjktdtnt | see whoever is on tonight |
| 20:19.42 | prjktdtnt | cheers |
| 20:19.53 | slaxxin | later |
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| 20:23.32 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r248637c12646 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: odeviced: fix SetState |
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| 20:39.26 | DEac- | there's a xorg.conf or something like that? |
| 20:39.37 | DEac- | the letters are too big for me |
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| 20:39.42 | DEac- | and i want to change the dpi |
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| 20:42.54 | white_gecko | hello |
| 20:43.10 | white_gecko | is the echo problem now fixed? |
| 20:43.33 | white_gecko | i've read about a AT command, but don't know if this is now in the latest 2008.08 updates |
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| 20:45.58 | lindi- | white_gecko: have you grepped for the AT command in the source code? |
| 20:46.48 | white_gecko | no |
| 20:46.51 | Tig|_ | lawks a mattl |
| 20:47.53 | lindi- | white_gecko: go ahead :) |
| 20:49.00 | Tig|_ | white_gecko: if you are refering to the undocumented command, then I would think it is in the main releases by now |
| 20:49.03 | white_gecko | ok, where can i find the sourcecode? |
| 20:49.04 | Tig|_ | if it actually works |
| 20:49.27 | white_gecko | i mean: AT%N028B |
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| 20:52.19 | lindi- | white_gecko: mokomakefile is your best bet afaik for that distro |
| 20:52.32 | lindi- | white_gecko: how can you do development without sources anyway? |
| 20:55.51 | white_gecko | i write some python ;-) |
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| 20:58.17 | CRL_CH | Hello |
| 20:58.42 | white_gecko | ok so i have to look for the makefile or just try it out ;-) |
| 20:58.48 | Tig|_ | CRL_CH: hello |
| 20:59.18 | CRL_CH | I just receive my freeruner one week ago. |
| 20:59.28 | CRL_CH | I am so happy |
| 20:59.39 | white_gecko | cool |
| 20:59.44 | Tig|_ | yay |
| 21:00.11 | white_gecko | i've thougt sey are sold out? |
| 21:00.21 | CRL_CH | Which os do you install? |
| 21:00.45 | CRL_CH | We have order in Germany |
| 21:01.16 | Tig|_ | CRL_CH: ah now that is the question :) I would look at the distributions page on the wiki and decide what you want it to do right now :) |
| 21:01.48 | viq | Did anyone try 2008's qtmail with google's imap? |
| 21:02.24 | Tig|_ | viq: not here as I am on FSO atm |
| 21:02.27 | CRL_CH | Tig : Yes. I did it. I choose 2008.8. |
| 21:02.47 | viq | Tig|_: and did you try using something with it? |
| 21:03.10 | Tig|_ | viq: sorry not being playing with Imap on my FR |
| 21:03.41 | Tig|_ | if it is standards based then it should work. ah one thing is iirc google imap is via IMAP over https |
| 21:03.57 | CRL_CH | I just install few app and update. |
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| 21:04.36 | CRL_CH | Power management is not working properly |
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| 21:04.51 | CRL_CH | I dont know how to fix it. |
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| 21:05.03 | Tig|_ | CRL_CH: the openmoko people are working hard on 2008 and there have been a few references to a new version being available soon, this is not official but seems likely |
| 21:05.20 | CRL_CH | fine :-) |
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| 21:05.27 | viq | Tig|_: I was using normal imap from say mutt. but that qtmail thing complains "Server imap.gmail.com Host not found" (and I can ping it) |
| 21:06.10 | Tig|_ | viq perhaps it only accepts secure IMAP connections |
| 21:06.55 | viq | Tig|_: and that's what I have configured. |
| 21:08.58 | noother | exactly the same problem here, with pop |
| 21:10.03 | Tig|_ | guys are you connecting through ubuntu and usb networking by any chance? |
| 21:10.15 | noother | debian, yes |
| 21:10.27 | CRL_CH | Dose somebody know ohw much freerunner have been sold until now ? |
| 21:10.37 | viq | usb, yes, ubuntu, no |
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| 21:11.26 | Tig|_ | noother: I was wondering if it was UFW getting in the way, i have had a couple of machines where the automatic rules were a bit iffy but were enabled after an update |
| 21:12.43 | CRL_CH | Tig, I conected my FR trought ubuntu and usb |
| 21:13.26 | Tig|_ | CRL_CH: if everything is working then you don't need to worry about it :) |
| 21:13.43 | noother | uhm.. what's UFW? |
| 21:14.20 | CRL_CH | Yes it work. |
| 21:14.20 | Tig|_ | UserfriendlyFireWall |
| 21:15.09 | dolf1074 | uncomplicated firewall |
| 21:15.36 | Tig|_ | dolf1074: or something like that :P :) |
| 21:15.49 | viq | UnusableFireWall? ;) |
| 21:16.15 | noother | well, i don't know. I've got the initial 20080908 release, the only thing i've done yet is adding a nameserver |
| 21:16.16 | dolf1074 | I don't think that unusableFireWall is the real name, but I doubt |
| 21:16.20 | dolf1074 | ;p |
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| 21:16.56 | dolf1074 | also ubuntu maked it their own: UbuntuFirewall (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFirewall) |
| 21:18.49 | fale | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/2008.8#Known_Issues <-- where I have to write the things of networking section? |
| 21:19.08 | white_gecko | i think the echo is fixed in the actual 2008.8 updates |
| 21:19.19 | dolf1074 | not here |
| 21:19.19 | CRL_CH | Dose somebody know how much freerunner have been sold until now ? |
| 21:20.19 | dolf1074 | no |
| 21:20.25 | white_gecko | dolf1074: hm do you have the latest updates? |
| 21:20.43 | dolf1074 | white_gecko: updated 6 hours ago |
| 21:20.48 | white_gecko | hm |
| 21:20.58 | white_gecko | just 30 min ago |
| 21:21.23 | Kensan | CRL_CH: not very likely, that that number will leak out. |
| 21:21.26 | dolf1074 | I just tried a opkg update / opkg upgrade again and no packages are updating |
| 21:22.04 | dolf1074 | So I have the lastest updates |
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| 21:22.55 | dolf1074 | Maybe some patch that has landed that only work for a subset of the users. |
| 21:23.11 | white_gecko | hm |
| 21:23.22 | dcordes | what do you use to syncrhonize your neo1973 or freerunner (no matter which distro) with your pc? |
| 21:23.29 | dcordes | I'm speaking of PIM data |
| 21:23.31 | white_gecko | i use a german carrier E+ |
| 21:23.44 | dolf1074 | belgium, proximus |
| 21:24.51 | dolf1074 | we will see, the calypso echo reduction command isn't landed yet. So there's hope :p |
| 21:25.02 | dolf1074 | maybe a next update/release |
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| 21:29.41 | edistar | dcordes: syncML with evolution should work |
| 21:29.56 | edistar | opensync |
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| 21:35.27 | DEac- | now sound works, if i call somebody. but if somebody calls me, it doesn't work. i hear nothing, the other person hears nothing |
| 21:35.44 | DEac- | i tried to change mixersettings, but nothing happens. |
| 21:35.53 | white_gecko | dolf1074: yes |
| 21:36.30 | DEac- | i use qtopia-phone-app on om2008.8 |
| 21:37.13 | dcordes | edistar: heya, thanks for the pointer |
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| 21:41.54 | stephelton | anyone else had issues with ifconfig locking up? |
| 21:42.47 | Tig|_ | ifconfig locking up? new one on me :( |
| 21:43.13 | stephelton | yeah not fun \= |
| 21:47.59 | rooly|away | sighs |
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| 21:48.04 | rooly|away | this network is filtering my packets |
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| 21:48.51 | CRL_CH | How can you update all with om2008.8 ? |
| 21:49.13 | rooly|away | get into a terminal and "opkg update" then "opkg upgrade" |
| 21:49.37 | CRL_CH | thanks. It it working with ssh ? |
| 21:49.43 | rooly|away | is what |
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| 21:50.21 | CRL_CH | Update with opkg update |
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| 21:53.56 | zogg_ | Does alarm wake FR up from sleep under ASU? |
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| 22:03.23 | CVirus | alarm wakes my nokia from "power off" |
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| 22:05.14 | ljp | of course, its a Nokia |
| 22:05.31 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:05.35 | ljp | they probably have a patent for that, which is why other phones dont do it |
| 22:05.43 | ljp | :) |
| 22:05.46 | CVirus | ljp: are you serious ? |
| 22:05.51 | ljp | heh no |
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| 22:06.01 | Dave | Mister Potter |
| 22:06.01 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:06.03 | mjr | I wouldn't be surprised... |
| 22:06.04 | ljp | i dont know what patents Nokia has... but they have heaps |
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| 22:06.22 | ljp | I kow of one patent |
| 22:06.24 | ljp | know |
| 22:06.25 | mjr | plus they were a _major_ lobbier for swpats in EU |
| 22:06.25 | RayDar | I have been a power user of four brands of phones and I like the Nokia brand the best. |
| 22:06.48 | Dave | wow, you're so cool. |
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| 22:07.01 | RayDar | No. I am KEWL. |
| 22:07.25 | Dave | rolls his eyes twice |
| 22:07.43 | ljp | thinks that all phones just suck |
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| 22:08.02 | Dave | Agreed. |
| 22:08.05 | Dave | That they do. |
| 22:08.05 | ljp | its more a matter of which one such less |
| 22:08.09 | zogg_ | Well, im asking because alarm misses the designated time by like 12 hours |
| 22:08.11 | ljp | sucks |
| 22:08.11 | Dave | Indeed. |
| 22:08.22 | CVirus | a laptop + good battery + GSM == uber coolness |
| 22:08.28 | ljp | zogg_: have you set the timezone? |
| 22:08.41 | zogg_ | shi... guess not |
| 22:09.55 | zogg_ | wait, if its the TimeZone one can sat through GUI, then yes - its correct. |
| 22:10.55 | Dave | -_- |
| 22:11.12 | Dave | I made my own timezone. |
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| 22:13.38 | fale | how can I creat an OSM map? |
| 22:13.48 | zogg_ | I'll build my own continent ^.- |
| 22:14.04 | ljp | I live on a island which is a continent |
| 22:15.04 | fale | zogg_: do you know how to do that? |
| 22:15.28 | ljp | vrml |
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| 22:16.06 | zogg_ | fale, nope, not atm at least. |
| 22:16.12 | fale | zogg_: thx :) |
| 22:16.24 | fale | ljp: vrml? |
| 22:16.56 | ljp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML |
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| 22:17.45 | fale | ljp: I thought to 'package' a piece of openstreetmap |
| 22:17.51 | fale | as other people did |
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| 22:20.46 | Weiss | Sep 9 22:56:56 rafiki user.err gpsd[1374]: gpsd: internal error - too many satellites! |
| 22:20.49 | Weiss | hee hee |
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| 22:22.57 | ljp | ha |
| 22:23.55 | Weiss | this is indoors... |
| 22:24.13 | ljp | one reason not to use gpsd |
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| 22:29.18 | Dave | :P |
| 22:29.34 | Dave | Potter, so qtopia 4.4 by the end of the month? |
| 22:29.59 | ljp | maybe |
| 22:31.04 | Dave | HAH! |
| 22:31.12 | Dave | very soon my ass :p |
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| 22:31.53 | Dave | pesky retraciles |
| 22:34.15 | ljp | i never said 'very' soon :) |
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| 22:41.45 | bove | how is the FSO milestone 3 comming along? Was it finished this weekend? |
| 22:42.12 | sicu | not yet |
| 22:43.41 | bove | ok. flow control for suspend/resume is the only remaining part, right? |
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| 22:47.25 | KewlCat | Hello |
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| 22:56.46 | sicu | bove: ah, kewl ... last time i checked there were 5 tickets left |
| 22:58.01 | sicu | hope they will resolve this last ticket by tomorrow then =] |
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| 23:02.32 | CRL_CH | Good by every body. See you soon |
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| 23:08.39 | zogg_ | Yep, sweet dreams. |
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| 23:13.46 | johngay | Evening, everybody |
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| 23:15.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03werner * r4638 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/lib/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Highlights: |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - debugged the trigger/horizontal system setup (many small bugs) |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - classes with settable attributes can now be locked, so that typos like |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: "s.hor.pod = 0" don't cause silent failure |
| 23:15.58 | CIA-22 | openmoko: Details: |
| 23:16.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: - lib/instrument.py (settable), lib/*.py all classes derived from "settable": |
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