| 00:00.08 | Dave | Kenyoung, shall we resume our interesting astronomy conversation? :) |
| 00:00.10 | Dave | Before you depart. |
| 00:00.16 | KenYoung | Dave, sure! |
| 00:00.55 | KenYoung | Dave, what doesn't the orrery do, that you had hoped it would do? |
| 00:01.26 | Yanroy | I'm a bit behind on my ML reading... are there dailies for 2008.8 yet? |
| 00:03.02 | Yanroy | hmm... I just did an opkg upgrade on my vanilla 2008.8 release image and its getting a new kernel |
| 00:03.07 | Yanroy | does that mean yes? |
| 00:03.35 | Yanroy | also, I'm a bit concerned that its pulling said kernel out of a folder called neo1973... is that normal? I have a FR |
| 00:03.56 | KenYoung | Yanroy, Not anymore! |
| 00:05.38 | cjb | could someone running tangogps on FSO pastebin their /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop, please? |
| 00:06.16 | Yanroy | KenYoung: huh? to what are you referring? |
| 00:06.50 | cjb | the one that's shipped with the new tangogps ver doesn't show an icon on FSO, but the old one did, I guess the .desktop has changed in a bad way |
| 00:06.54 | KenYoung | Yanroy, It was a lame joke. I was implying that the update had turned your FR into a neo1973. |
| 00:07.48 | Yanroy | KenYoung: ah, I see... then I suppose you don't know if its correct or not? |
| 00:08.04 | KenYoung | Yanroy, sorry, no. |
| 00:08.51 | johnsu01 | cjb: are you just using your sim on fso to store contacts? |
| 00:11.14 | nyu | ah, 'su' for sullivan. nice to meet you :-) |
| 00:11.44 | Dave | Kenyoung :) |
| 00:11.50 | Dave | cjb! |
| 00:12.02 | KenYoung | Yes, Dave? |
| 00:12.09 | Dave | cjb, what the fuck, I just fixed that with a user two or three days ago! |
| 00:12.35 | Dave | It has Application;Office or something on the FSO version and doesn't show up on the desktop |
| 00:12.55 | Dave | cjb, if you change Categories=GTK;Application;PIM I believe it shows up on the desktop |
| 00:13.05 | Dave | (just try it, if you don't believe me) |
| 00:13.30 | Dave | KenYoung, what doesn't orrery do that I had hoped it would do? The perfect question! :) |
| 00:13.31 | nyu | johnsu01: I take it the FSF is putting strong weight on this project? |
| 00:13.47 | Dave | Excellent, may I make feature requests now, as well? ;) |
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| 00:13.56 | KenYoung | Dave Please do. |
| 00:14.04 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 00:14.12 | Dave | Honestly, I am aware it is simply a map of the stars |
| 00:14.20 | Dave | but somehow if you could, more color would be appreciated |
| 00:14.31 | Dave | I like that the larger stars are represented as such now, but still |
| 00:14.50 | Dave | Additionally, though the lines are differentiable by color |
| 00:14.55 | Dave | they are very similar, I guess |
| 00:15.05 | johnsu01 | nyu: yes, although the freerunner was my own purchase :) |
| 00:15.05 | Dave | I had kind of hoped one could be dotted differently or bolded |
| 00:15.37 | KenYoung | Dave, I chose not to show the colors except for the brightest stars, because most people don't perceive the colors of faint stars, since they are detected by the rod cells in your eye, which are insensitive to color. |
| 00:16.00 | Dave | Fine, fine. |
| 00:16.19 | Dave | I also wish there was a way to easily distinguish the most well known stars |
| 00:16.21 | nyu | johnsu01: nice (to both). I wonder if rms is going to grab his first cell phone soon now ;-) |
| 00:16.27 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: thanks for the software! |
| 00:16.32 | Dave | I suppose there is now a show star/planet labels, right? |
| 00:16.39 | Dave | Speedevil, here here! |
| 00:16.41 | Dave | :) |
| 00:16.44 | SpeedEvil | Dave: almost universally the brightest - biggest |
| 00:16.51 | Dave | Yes yes |
| 00:17.08 | SpeedEvil | And constellation maps will give you an idea of all the named ones too. |
| 00:17.25 | Dave | KenYoung, I just had the thought that it'd be cool to be able to rotate the map, as well as rotate it about a particular point or star or star constellation :) |
| 00:17.47 | Dave | Speedevil, and make you ponder how those ancient greeks figured it for a particular shape or thing or person :P |
| 00:17.49 | KenYoung | Dave, I plan to change the colors of the constellations, at least. One color for zodiac constellations, one for the classic constellations from antiquety (Orion, etc), and one for the half-assed recent filler constellations like Sextans and Microscopium. |
| 00:17.55 | Dave | or more accurately, what they were drinking ;) |
| 00:18.09 | Dave | yeah hahaha |
| 00:18.17 | Dave | seriously I looked at it in the car and I was trying to figure |
| 00:18.30 | Dave | Microscopium, Triangulum, what the fuck are those? |
| 00:18.37 | Dave | I figured they were "modern constellations" |
| 00:18.37 | Dave | :P |
| 00:18.53 | Dave | It's like, Triangulum, hey look, it's a triangle! hurr |
| 00:18.55 | SpeedEvil | With a compass in the FR, and the accelerometers, the sky display could be awesome. |
| 00:19.02 | johnsu01 | nyu: heh, maybe, if we can get him an anoymous sim :) |
| 00:19.05 | Dave | Speedevil, yeah, but that'll have to wait |
| 00:19.12 | Dave | until the accelerometers really become practical :) |
| 00:19.17 | KenYoung | Dave, Most of the crap constellations were added around the 17th century by sailors, I think (drunken ones, by the looks of them). |
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| 00:19.20 | Dave | but yeah that's always been a lingering thought! :) |
| 00:19.27 | Dave | Kenyoung, heh |
| 00:19.57 | KenYoung | Dave, You gotta admit, Triangulum does look like a triangle. |
| 00:20.17 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you've built it on your FR? I just had it displaying on my 1973. |
| 00:20.22 | Dave | yeah :P |
| 00:20.24 | KenYoung | They didn't give it six sides, of anything. |
| 00:20.26 | Dave | Yep! |
| 00:20.37 | Dave | kenYoung, yeah, pretty remarkable, right? ;) |
| 00:20.45 | nyu | johnsu01: ah well, the odds are better now then :-) |
| 00:20.52 | SpeedEvil | There should really be asquarius. |
| 00:21.11 | Dave | har har |
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| 00:21.36 | KenYoung | Dave, the planet names show with the colors of the planets. It wasn't until I added the names that I noticed were Uranus was showing up. |
| 00:21.49 | Dave | yeah :) |
| 00:21.56 | Dave | cool, thanks :) |
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| 00:22.33 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil, I like "Asquarius" Maybe Pegasus could be renamed. |
| 00:22.34 | nyu | johnsu01: have to go, good night/evening |
| 00:22.49 | Dave | hehehe |
| 00:22.49 | Dave | later nyuu |
| 00:22.52 | nyu | bye Dave! |
| 00:23.26 | johnsu01 | see you nyu |
| 00:23.28 | cjb | Dave: it has Categories=GTK;Application;PIM |
| 00:23.42 | cjb | I'm using the new upstream release |
| 00:23.47 | cjb | rather than the FSO modified |
| 00:23.52 | Dave | OH |
| 00:23.57 | Dave | Was it *just* changed, cjb? |
| 00:23.59 | cjb | but the FSO modified used to show up, and the new upstream doesn't |
| 00:24.05 | Dave | OH |
| 00:24.05 | cjb | the new upstream release was just released, yes. |
| 00:24.07 | cjb | yesterday |
| 00:24.09 | Dave | so perhaps the categories changed? |
| 00:24.14 | Dave | or something shifty |
| 00:24.16 | cjb | well, I just pasted them |
| 00:24.19 | Dave | yeah |
| 00:24.26 | cjb | it seems like the desktop file must have changed somehow |
| 00:24.36 | cjb | so I was hoping someone running FSO could show me how |
| 00:24.36 | Dave | one would think so! |
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| 00:25.56 | Dave | Kenyoung, I still think the ability to track a particular star or constellation would be cool, since it already moves and updates the sky based on position :) |
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| 00:26.38 | paroneayea | hm, does the FSO milestone 2 not actually start X upon boot usually? |
| 00:26.49 | paroneayea | because that seems to be the case with me atm, having just reflashed it |
| 00:27.13 | KenYoung | Dave, I don;t understand. What do you mean by track a star or constellation? Show its path from rise to set? Without moving the other objects? |
| 00:27.19 | Dave | paroneayea, do you have tangogps installed? :P |
| 00:27.30 | cjb | paroneayea: works here |
| 00:27.44 | paroneayea | Dave: whatever comes on http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 00:27.49 | Dave | heh |
| 00:28.51 | Dave | I still find it utterly hilarious there is no VERSION file, from which the particular branch you are using can be conveniently and quickly identified (by software) |
| 00:30.48 | KenYoung | Dave Yes! The applications need to be able to identify the model of the phone, and the software stack version. |
| 00:31.04 | Dave | cjb, if you have a moment, I wish to discuss something with you. |
| 00:31.07 | Dave | Or I can direct a bug report towards you. |
| 00:31.33 | Dave | Kenyoung, yeah, unfortunately /etc/version simply holds the birthdate (or what you initially flashed) |
| 00:31.36 | cjb | Dave: little busy, but if you type here I can at least read it later |
| 00:31.42 | Dave | which is not particularly useful |
| 00:31.50 | Dave | since it may not actually represent what you are presently using |
| 00:31.53 | KenYoung | Dave, yeah, that's a big help. |
| 00:31.58 | Dave | moreover it identifies a version and NOT a distribution |
| 00:32.00 | Dave | :( |
| 00:32.11 | Dave | and there is presently no hashing or any soft of standarized system for that |
| 00:32.27 | Dave | fuck, we don't even have a standardized naming convention for the distributions yet :P |
| 00:32.40 | Dave | we keep changing and making them up arbitrarily while we go :) |
| 00:32.46 | Dave | cjb, okay :) |
| 00:33.05 | Dave | cjb, maybe i'll just write a ticket and post to the ml, for you to read later. |
| 00:33.50 | cjb | sounds good |
| 00:34.11 | Dave | I simply asked for your audience, because I believe it to be an Xglamo related issue, FYI :P |
| 00:34.34 | Dave | and you seemed to be helpful with that previously, and likely familiar with the code surrounding the previous fix for it. |
| 00:35.54 | Dave | Kenyoung, as for "tracking" no, but that actually sounds pretty cool (What you described seem to be more like 'tracing'), I really just wanted to be able to highlight one or more stars or constellations |
| 00:36.03 | cjb | yeah. Dodji (who isn't here) is the current Xglamo maintainer, I think. |
| 00:36.22 | Dave | In a way, I think it'd be a cool way for the amateur user to stargaze and align themselves |
| 00:36.29 | Dave | cjb, alright :) |
| 00:36.49 | Dave | cjb, I hope you don't mind installing some apps and playing some games in order to tackle a bug ;) |
| 00:36.49 | Dave | heehee |
| 00:36.57 | Dave | One sec, let me look into this routing problem |
| 00:37.00 | KenYoung | Dave, What I plan to do in the short run is allow you to magnify an area by circling it with your finger or a stylus. |
| 00:37.58 | KenYoung | Dave, I could add more information about the constellations which remain on the display when it is magnified. At least add the formal borders, the greek letter designation of the stars, etc. |
| 00:38.15 | Wonka | would there be a big difference between Xglamo and Xfbdev? |
| 00:38.15 | Wonka | would Xfbdev work on my FR? |
| 00:38.59 | Dave | KenYoung, sounds great! |
| 00:39.02 | Dave | I like it1 |
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| 00:39.23 | Dave | But with your magnification functionality, what will trigger the screen display change (stars/constellations), now? :) |
| 00:39.30 | Dave | double-click? :P |
| 00:40.56 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm also going to add optional elements, like the ability to download the Messier catalog, or a version of the star catalog going far deeper than the default one. That way the application won;t chew up too much flash space for casual users, but people can add features if they are willing to pay the price in memory size. |
| 00:41.43 | Dave | cool :) |
| 00:41.43 | Dave | right, like tango! |
| 00:41.43 | Dave | cool |
| 00:41.55 | KenYoung | Dave, I do not intend to have magnification change the screen change. When magnified, you'll still be able to tap the LCD screen to toggle pages. |
| 00:41.56 | Dave | Hey so long as it only occasionally explodes, I'm all for it! ;) |
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| 00:42.13 | Wonka | hm. what about making the catalog not one file, but a directory of files, and have catalog extension packages that just drop in more files? |
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| 00:42.29 | Dave | So magnification will be a separate toggleable function then? |
| 00:42.42 | Dave | Wonka *whee* :) |
| 00:42.59 | KenYoung | Wonka, That's basically what I plan. The code will scan all the files in one directory, and use what's there, as long as it understands what the file is." |
| 00:43.20 | Toaster` | interesting, I've run an opkg update/upgrade, and I have a e17 desktop. cool, but underirable. is there an issue with the 2008.8 repository? |
| 00:43.29 | KenYoung | Wonka, THe menus for places, and the COnstellations already work that way. |
| 00:43.39 | Wonka | okay |
| 00:43.52 | Wonka | Toaster`: you've read the topic? |
| 00:44.13 | Dave | Scanning on-function/demand or upon application start? |
| 00:44.29 | Dave | I am a big poop when it comes to scanning once upon application launch |
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| 00:44.37 | KenYoung | If someone wants to put in Chinese constellations, they need only make the files, wipe or the constellations directory, and put their new ones in that directory. Same with planet elemets, so we'll be able to add comets when the pass by. |
| 00:44.41 | Dave | especially for large apps or apps which grow in pool size |
| 00:44.56 | Toaster` | Wonka: I am setup to use zecke's repo, not buildhost |
| 00:44.56 | Dave | Cool! |
| 00:46.04 | Wonka | is the data in a format suitable for having comets added? so one could add halley now and see it when it comes back? |
| 00:46.09 | KenYoung | Dave, When you say "I'm a big poop when it comes to scanning once upon application launch", that means you disapprove, right? What technique do you prefer? |
| 00:46.28 | Dave | right |
| 00:46.34 | Yanroy | has the gestures app made it into the opkg feeds, or do I need to install it by wgetting the package from googlecode as suggested on the wiki? |
| 00:46.55 | Dave | Well, I'm not sure, were you planning on making this a toggleable change while running the application? |
| 00:47.01 | Dave | or just swapping out the maps totally? |
| 00:47.05 | Dave | or both? |
| 00:47.20 | Toaster` | do I need to re-flash to get a working current build? is there no working 2008.8 build? |
| 00:48.10 | Dave | For example, if you have maps, which are loaded ON DEMAND, you might as well search for them or load them ON DEMAND, not check once at the beginning and then if you later copy them in, have to restart the app :D |
| 00:48.10 | Dave | (I'm only being a pain about this because this is unfortunately a common way apps are done) |
| 00:48.10 | Dave | some, anyway :| |
| 00:48.15 | Dave | both for mobile and for pc platforms |
| 00:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Dave: major comets - like haley - are trivially storable in the comets db. |
| 00:48.31 | Dave | and I can tell you, on PC, when the app has a 2GB memory footprint, it REALLY blows |
| 00:48.33 | KenYoung | Wonka, Yes you could. The caveat is that the elements files consist of the parameters needed to define an elliptical orbit, and the derivatives of those parameters, and a few extra parameters to handle Jupiter pulling on things. For something like Halley, the accuracy would not be great for many orbits, because it is so strongly perturbed by the outer planets. But is would work for a few hundred years, I imagine. |
| 00:48.37 | SpeedEvil | Theri position does not change much per orbit. |
| 00:48.48 | Dave | Speedevil, is your planet in the dB too? :) |
| 00:49.25 | SpeedEvil | The difficult ones are aperiodic comets - which essentially need to be enterend as they are discovered. |
| 00:49.26 | Dave | I don't think the freerunner will be around that long, soo, it's all good :P |
| 00:49.41 | Dave | speedevil, and super stealth satellites? :) |
| 00:50.16 | SpeedEvil | Many of those have been found by amateurs. |
| 00:50.28 | SpeedEvil | It's not especially hard, you can just look for obscurations of stars, or stare at an area of sky. |
| 00:50.51 | Dave | :) |
| 00:51.11 | Dave | so much for secrecy :) |
| 00:51.13 | ieatlint | is tired |
| 00:51.23 | Dave | Lint |
| 00:51.37 | SpeedEvil | Staring at sky, and looking for illuminatred by the sun satellites is easiest. |
| 00:51.38 | SpeedEvil | Though there are plausible countermeasures to that. |
| 00:51.39 | Dave | How goes it? |
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| 00:51.57 | Dave | Speedevil, are you already plotting? :) |
| 00:52.00 | Toaster` | Dave: secrecy of the abilities/technology is more important then the fact of a bird having been lofted into which orbit. |
| 00:52.22 | SpeedEvil | Dave: no |
| 00:52.31 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: yes, and no. |
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| 00:52.40 | Dave | moo |
| 00:53.17 | ieatlint | Dave, i've been working my ass off on the library... tomorrow i start the UI :) |
| 00:53.17 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: if you can track a spysats orbit, as it is moved to a new tasking, then that gives you info, if it's pointed at you. |
| 00:53.17 | ieatlint | at present, my library has absolutely 0 memory leakage (although, 2 libraries it relies on do have minor leakage, which tops out at 12k and doesn't grow beyond) |
| 00:53.29 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: It means you can hide when it goes over - to the simplest case. |
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| 00:54.29 | Toaster` | if you have realtime radar to follow it, you are in a position to have your own birds as it is, and you are generally a nation-state. For amateur astromomers, tracking a change in orbit takes a lot longer. |
| 00:54.32 | Dave | Lint, wow :D |
| 00:54.46 | Dave | Lint, acceptable! |
| 00:54.46 | Dave | :) |
| 00:54.50 | Dave | I am impressed. |
| 00:55.00 | Dave | I guess you really are trying to make that impression deadline, for the meeting, huh? ;) |
| 00:55.03 | Dave | Go you! |
| 00:55.07 | Dave | Wish I was more involved :\ |
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| 00:55.42 | Toaster` | regardless, that's off topic, anyone have any advice on how to resurrect my phone to a normal state, without reflashing if possible? |
| 00:55.44 | Wonka | hmm. hmm... get a 3m dish and a microwave magnetron... |
| 00:55.59 | Wonka | would i be able to seriously disturb a spy satellite? |
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| 00:56.30 | Toaster` | Wonka: doubtful, you'd have to do major damage, they tend to be very redundant, and rad hard |
| 00:57.08 | Toaster` | How does one back up a 2008.8 addressbook? |
| 00:57.11 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: no |
| 00:57.38 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm crashing. Thanks for your suggestions. Some should be in place by Monday. Please email more ideas as they occur to you. |
| 00:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: you have to get >2KW/m^2 or so incident on the target. |
| 00:58.30 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: if you're trying to overheat it with microwaves, you are looking at dish sizes in the tens of kilometers for microwaves. |
| 00:59.09 | Dave | Alright :) |
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| 00:59.34 | Dave | :) |
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| 00:59.54 | SpeedEvil | Lasers are the only practical option - and then you need huge mirrors too. |
| 01:00.33 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention many Kw lasers. |
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| 01:00.37 | Toaster` | SpeedEvil: plus cope with bloooming, atmospheric distortion, energy supply, etc |
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| 01:01.18 | dingman | looks around to confirm this is #openmoko and not #high-energy-physics |
| 01:01.30 | Toaster` | dingman: sorry, we got off topic |
| 01:01.35 | dingman | ;) |
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| 01:01.41 | Toaster` | How does one back up a 2008.8 addressbook? |
| 01:02.09 | Toaster` | I'm not having anything jump out as an obvious addressbook file |
| 01:02.43 | dingman | 2008.8 uses the Qtopia address app? |
| 01:02.51 | Toaster` | I believe so |
| 01:02.56 | Yanroy | Toaster`: you can save your contacts to the SIM (at least, there's an optionf or it... dunno if it works) |
| 01:03.03 | Yanroy | anyone get gestures working on 2008.8? |
| 01:03.04 | roh | should be a sqlite db afaik |
| 01:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Toaster`: lasers aren't high energy. |
| 01:03.32 | Dave | roh :) |
| 01:03.35 | roh | search the ml wiki for scripts which do backups/sync.. should be noted somewhere in the wiki |
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| 01:04.08 | Toaster` | SpeedEvil: I didn't say they were. I was responding to dingman |
| 01:04.44 | dingman | SpeedEvil, and I was just teasing you anyway. |
| 01:04.46 | Toaster` | SpeedEvil: I prefer multi-stage interceptors anyways. |
| 01:04.54 | KenYoung | Dave, Ooops - what I said about directories being scanned for objects was correct for constellations, but wrong for planets. I have an explicit list of the planets compiled into the code. I should change that. |
| 01:05.15 | Dave | Oh, hello again :) |
| 01:05.24 | Dave | yeah, it might be a good idea :) |
| 01:05.28 | Dave | Thanks for telling me, Ken :) |
| 01:05.38 | Wonka | arrgh. how do I make Today's clock display localized time? |
| 01:05.42 | SpeedEvil | packs a large bag of ball-bearings into a sounding rocket. |
| 01:05.54 | Dave | uh oh |
| 01:05.57 | KenYoung | Dave, I'm bailing again. I just didn't want to leave the wrong info in the channel. |
| 01:06.00 | Dave | Wonka, haha see that too? |
| 01:06.07 | Dave | Thanks so much, Ken! |
| 01:06.07 | Wonka | it's 3:05 (wall clock and `date`) and it displays 2:05 |
| 01:06.10 | Dave | Take care :) |
| 01:06.17 | KenYoung | Dave, You too. |
| 01:06.24 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: night. |
| 01:06.25 | Dave | Wonka, be glad yours isn't nine hours off! |
| 01:06.26 | Wonka | root@om-gta02:~# date |
| 01:06.27 | Wonka | Thu Aug 28 03:02:56 CEST 2008 |
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| 01:06.46 | Dave | uggh, I'd submit a bugreport for it now, including the fix |
| 01:06.53 | SpeedEvil | 2:06 is right for BST. |
| 01:06.54 | Dave | if I wasn't so busy setting up my new systems |
| 01:06.57 | SpeedEvil | Just move. |
| 01:07.02 | Dave | Bull Shit Time |
| 01:07.03 | Dave | :P |
| 01:07.05 | Dave | as if |
| 01:07.15 | Dave | BS Standard Time :P |
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| 01:07.20 | Dave | essentially |
| 01:07.25 | Dave | since we don't live in the ocean |
| 01:07.25 | Wonka | 2:06 is neither UTC nor CEST |
| 01:08.20 | Wonka | ah, "hwclock -w" helped |
| 01:08.46 | Wonka | at least hwclock does display the correct time now |
| 01:09.22 | Toaster` | how do I kill the keyboard widget, as in what is the app name for killall or top? |
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| 01:09.43 | Wonka | Toaster`: tried pkill? |
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| 01:10.07 | Wonka | Toaster`: and top does exist too... at least in my image |
| 01:10.33 | dingman | Wonka, I think he wants to know what argument to give pkill |
| 01:10.35 | Wonka | hm. hwclock --utc displays 5:08, which is several hours off |
| 01:10.45 | Toaster` | dingman: spot on :) |
| 01:10.48 | Dave | heehee, yep |
| 01:10.53 | Dave | Toaster, euro, heehe |
| 01:11.01 | dingman | Toaster`, too bad I dont have an actual answer for you. |
| 01:11.04 | Yanroy | does anyone have gestures working on 2008.8? I installed it and it doesn't do anything |
| 01:11.07 | Wonka | hwclock -l displays 3:08 which is correct |
| 01:11.11 | Yanroy | I think my accelerometer doesn't work |
| 01:11.12 | Wonka | *sigh* |
| 01:11.16 | dingman | hunting the addressbook file, though |
| 01:11.23 | Dave | God, I wish I understood this system. |
| 01:11.28 | cjb | Yanroy: tried running rotate? |
| 01:11.28 | Toaster` | Dave: Me? Nope, Canuck, I just work with a lot of Brits |
| 01:11.33 | Yanroy | the hexdump thing mentioned on the wiki hangs when I try to access the top accelerometer |
| 01:11.34 | Wonka | anyway. it's late. gotta go to bed. |
| 01:11.36 | Dave | It powers on, but doesn't POST. uggh |
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| 01:11.40 | Yanroy | cjb: no? what's that |
| 01:11.44 | cjb | Yanroy: oh, that's just a locking bug. |
| 01:11.47 | Dave | Toaster, ahaha, okay :) |
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| 01:11.52 | cjb | Yanroy: it'll work if you do it without X running. |
| 01:11.59 | dingman | Dave, My employer has a fine lineup of Linux courses :) |
| 01:12.09 | cjb | rotate's a minimal program I wrote to rotate the screen based on accel position |
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| 01:12.10 | Dave | Excellent! |
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| 01:12.19 | Yanroy | cjb: so that's not whats wrong with the gestures app? or is it the cause? |
| 01:12.19 | Dave | cjb :) |
| 01:12.22 | Dave | it's fun |
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| 01:12.29 | cjb | Yanroy: I think it's unrelated |
| 01:12.43 | Yanroy | cjb: where can I get this rotate program? |
| 01:12.57 | Yanroy | cjb: I installed gestures primarily to get the screen rotation functionality |
| 01:13.05 | cjb | Yanroy: dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rotate |
| 01:13.12 | cjb | (OM binary) |
| 01:13.17 | Yanroy | but I wanted to play with it too... it doesn't seem to give any info as to what its doing so I can debug it |
| 01:13.29 | cjb | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001336.html |
| 01:13.35 | cjb | gives more info on rotate |
| 01:16.20 | Dave | isn't cjb awesome? ;) |
| 01:17.01 | cjb | I should work on it some more, but I dunno if anyone's going to use it. I'd like it if the distros picked it up. |
| 01:17.09 | Yanroy | is there a reason why resolv.conf gets wiped out on boot? would it really be that hard for it to stay? |
| 01:17.13 | cjb | in particular, I wanna do the stuff described in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-August/001357.html |
| 01:18.53 | Yanroy | sweetness... it works |
| 01:19.00 | Yanroy | so now why doesn't gestures work? :P |
| 01:19.13 | Yanroy | cjb: how does rotate cope with being suspended? |
| 01:19.23 | Yanroy | can I add it to my startup scripts without a problem so that its always on? |
| 01:19.27 | Yanroy | at least until gestures is working? |
| 01:19.28 | cjb | Yanroy: dunno. you mean CPU suspend, or control-z? |
| 01:19.36 | Dave | :) |
| 01:19.40 | cjb | I think it copes, you can tell me if it doesn't |
| 01:19.50 | Dave | it's fun |
| 01:20.06 | Yanroy | cjb: cpu |
| 01:20.22 | cjb | not sure I've tried it :) |
| 01:20.32 | Yanroy | also, some apps (notably the terminal) don't play well with horizontal mode... |
| 01:20.46 | Yanroy | cjb: how do you get decent battery life without suspend? |
| 01:21.05 | Dave | You don't. |
| 01:21.12 | cjb | doesn't. :) |
| 01:21.59 | Toaster` | wonders why pulseaudio runs at ~10% CPU at all times... |
| 01:22.19 | Yanroy | ok, so I guess I can't use this rotate thing after all... the keyboard gets destroyed when you switch to landscape and doesn't recover :( |
| 01:22.25 | SpeedEvil | Yanroy: clocking down will (in principle) give >20h |
| 01:22.30 | Yanroy | Toaster`: there was a ML post about that a while ago, IIRC |
| 01:22.49 | Yanroy | SpeedEvil: I've been getting about that using the normal suspend thing built into 2007.2 and 2008.8 |
| 01:28.23 | Dave | woot |
| 01:28.37 | Toaster` | top |
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| 01:37.42 | paroneayea | hmm... |
| 01:38.16 | paroneayea | about to install Debian on the 1973. But there's a bit of a disclaimer here about trying on the 1973 at your own risk |
| 01:38.37 | paroneayea | us 1973 users don't get no respect ;p |
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| 01:39.17 | slaxxin | do to get no respect |
| 01:39.32 | slaxxin | GOSH |
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| 01:39.47 | paroneayea | gosh? |
| 01:40.16 | slaxxin | like dangit man |
| 01:40.20 | slaxxin | uknow |
| 01:40.26 | raster | like.. whatever! |
| 01:40.26 | raster | :) |
| 01:40.27 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.37 | paroneayea | orly |
| 01:40.58 | slaxxin | no im not calling u names or anything:) |
| 01:41.03 | raster | wtf? |
| 01:41.11 | Toaster` | how do I kill the keyboard widget, as in what is the app name to give to killall or top? |
| 01:41.32 | slaxxin | tyea |
| 01:43.30 | raster | yay! keyboard! |
| 01:44.29 | Toaster` | raster: well, the keyboard is locked hiding your rather awesome e17 desktop, meaning I can't see anything, nor figure out how to salvage my phone in short order :) |
| 01:44.48 | raster | ??? |
| 01:44.54 | slaxxin | ?? |
| 01:45.01 | raster | its filling the screen? |
| 01:45.13 | raster | ugh |
| 01:45.18 | raster | i am SO going to have to start doin g my own images |
| 01:45.29 | slaxxin | bear down |
| 01:45.33 | raster | this whole keyboiard fso, asu, and ther gazillion feeds.versions of asu is driving me nuts |
| 01:45.34 | slaxxin | raster |
| 01:46.06 | Toaster` | short version: I updated 2008.8 using zecke, and now I boot to an e17 desktop, with the keyboard widget locked out, covering the top third of the screen. |
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| 01:46.19 | slaxxin | i took fso off this morning an put 2008.8updated back on |
| 01:46.40 | raster | what keyboard is that? |
| 01:46.42 | raster | qpe's? |
| 01:46.52 | Toaster` | I need to kill it so I can backup my contacts to the SIM and re-flash |
| 01:47.04 | Toaster` | the base 2008.8 kbd |
| 01:48.41 | Dave | Raster! |
| 01:48.57 | Dave | Raster, yeah isn't it driving you crazy yet? :) |
| 01:49.04 | Dave | asu fso, asu2, bbq |
| 01:49.53 | slaxxin | rrrrRRRRAAAASSSSTeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:50.19 | raster | Toaster`: which one is it? |
| 01:50.19 | slaxxin | im sorry daves right its too much |
| 01:50.22 | raster | try kill qpe |
| 01:50.30 | raster | but killing qpe wil lkill al the qtopia phone functionality |
| 01:50.52 | Toaster` | raster: `killall qpe` seg faults e17 |
| 01:50.58 | raster | no |
| 01:51.01 | raster | read carefully |
| 01:51.10 | raster | zecke borrowed my white box of death code |
| 01:51.14 | raster | it LOOKS the same |
| 01:51.22 | raster | but it says something different |
| 01:51.22 | raster | :) |
| 01:51.45 | Toaster` | raster: ahh, sorry |
| 01:53.14 | raster | exit qpe |
| 01:53.15 | ShellEvil | Wacky. |
| 01:53.16 | raster | is the kbd gone? |
| 01:53.24 | ShellEvil | You expect users to _read_ error messages? |
| 01:53.47 | raster | god no |
| 01:54.09 | Toaster` | raster: yeah, I'm just trying to see if the contacts program starts up |
| 01:54.14 | raster | why do u think the "white box of death" doesn thave anythintg other than "i segv's - restart me or exit me" |
| 01:54.20 | raster | so simple they can barely get it wrong |
| 01:54.31 | raster | i mean.. like if u put backtraces and stack and register dumps.. |
| 01:54.35 | raster | they'd just ignore the box |
| 01:54.35 | raster | :) |
| 01:54.40 | raster | Toaster`: it wont |
| 01:54.41 | Toaster` | ShellEvil: I ran e17 at home for quite some time, and the 'white box of death' has a defult reaction in my brain :) |
| 01:54.51 | raster | to hahahahah |
| 01:55.12 | Toaster` | raster: so it seems, so I'm pretty much buggered then.., |
| 01:55.21 | raster | Toaster`: hmmmm |
| 01:55.27 | raster | fuck |
| 01:55.36 | raster | i need to do an image of my own |
| 01:55.43 | raster | soooo need to |
| 01:55.45 | Toaster` | Anyone know how to backup/dump-to-SIM the addressbook then? |
| 01:55.47 | raster | one that is "nice" |
| 01:55.53 | slaxxin | soo DOIT |
| 01:55.58 | raster | Toaster`: the addressbook is a mysql database |
| 01:56.15 | raster | slaxxin: well i'm busy repling to millions of keyboard mails! |
| 01:56.17 | raster | ;) |
| 01:56.20 | raster | and writign more of my own |
| 01:56.35 | slaxxin | stop chaseing loose ends |
| 01:57.06 | raster | thats what is frustrating me |
| 01:57.21 | slaxxin | we are waiting |
| 01:58.37 | Dave | we need more raster keyboards |
| 01:58.50 | Dave | please include raster's awesome keyboard in all images |
| 01:59.37 | Toaster` | Dave: what about the vector keyboard options? it might scale better. (I'll show myself out, it's ok) |
| 02:01.11 | Toaster` | worries he killed the channel... |
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| 02:02.04 | Dave | Raster 4 prez! |
| 02:02.10 | Yanroy | so I noticed the latest update to ASU lets the wifi screen under settings actually do stuff |
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| 02:02.20 | Dave | Well, he is and forever shall be, the Keyboard King, anyway :) |
| 02:02.25 | Yanroy | I clicked on my home network and put in the password... I can't tell if it connected successfully. |
| 02:02.35 | Yanroy | I don't have an IP, I know that much |
| 02:02.39 | Yanroy | does wifi work in ASU? |
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| 02:02.58 | Yanroy | I tried running udhcpc eth0 and it just says "sending discover" forever |
| 02:03.27 | swc|666 | heh.. u wont get far with udhcpc IME |
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| 02:03.43 | dingman | Yanroy, mine isn't ASU, but I find I often have to run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" from the terminal after I set up wifi in the GUI |
| 02:03.46 | stevenSn | Yanroy: What does iwconfig say? (I find wifi sometimes work for me under ASU if I use lint-wifi) |
| 02:04.45 | Dave | :P |
| 02:05.03 | Yanroy | stevenSn: it mentions my SSID, but says encryption key is off (I use WPA, so I assume that's wrong) |
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| 02:06.39 | stevenSn | If you run wpa_cli does it say anything about trying to connect |
| 02:06.41 | Dave | wah wah |
| 02:06.46 | Dave | wpasupplicant ftw? |
| 02:07.23 | Yanroy | I don't seem to have a wpasupplicant.conf |
| 02:07.30 | Dave | rut roh |
| 02:07.41 | Yanroy | I would have expected the GUI to create one when I put in the password... what was it doing if it wasn't doing that/ |
| 02:11.11 | Yanroy | anyone know where I can find the code for the wifi thing in the settings screen? |
| 02:11.33 | AntonTakk | anyone know if the x server on the fr can accept or be told to accept connections over the usb network connection? |
| 02:11.49 | raster | ok... |
| 02:11.50 | stevenSn | Yanroy: It's called conman |
| 02:11.51 | raster | today... |
| 02:11.56 | raster | i will start my oen image. |
| 02:12.01 | raster | actually |
| 02:12.07 | raster | i should finish off my connman gadget |
| 02:12.23 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: I've done X forwarding over SSH using USB |
| 02:12.31 | dingman | AntonTakk, looks like it listens on port 6000 to all IPs. |
| 02:12.46 | dingman | Yanroy's way is better |
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| 02:23.03 | Dave | lq lq lq |
| 02:23.16 | Dave | raster, cute |
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| 02:25.52 | AntonTakk | ok, first, gonna need vim if i'm gonna do any serious coding |
| 02:26.25 | paroneayea | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211065 |
| 02:26.30 | paroneayea | holy damn, that's cheap |
| 02:26.35 | paroneayea | I might need to get one of those.. |
| 02:26.36 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: if you come up with vim (or better yet, gvim) for FR, plz let me know :) |
| 02:27.00 | AntonTakk | Yanroy: opkg install vim in mwester's fso images |
| 02:27.20 | Yanroy | paroneayea: I picked up 3 of those (not same brand, but same size) on woot for that price a few weeks ago... very useful |
| 02:27.28 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: I'm using ASU |
| 02:27.49 | paroneayea | Yanroy: not a bad idea |
| 02:28.06 | AntonTakk | give it a try anyways, what's the worst that happens? it can't find it? |
| 02:28.35 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: I'll give it a try... I know it didn't work on 2007.2 |
| 02:30.57 | slaxxin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.49 | slaxxin | is it that much better than vi? |
| 02:32.14 | Yanroy | night and day |
| 02:32.34 | slaxxin | i remember all that messing things up |
| 02:32.47 | Yanroy | I think about 80% of the commands I use on a daily basis have "not available in vi" written next to them in the help file :) |
| 02:33.52 | Yanroy | hmm... doens't udhcpc create a resolv.conf? |
| 02:33.57 | Yanroy | I think my wifi is working... |
| 02:34.17 | Yanroy | I followed the one-line direction on the wiki for 2008.8 and the GUI seems to have set up my connection (including IP address) |
| 02:34.19 | Yanroy | but no DNS |
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| 02:35.35 | slaxxin | so look an see if theres a public address in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:36.11 | slaxxin | it is supposed to be public right? |
| 02:36.29 | Yanroy | slaxxin: there's nothing in resolv.conf... that's why I asked if udhcpc is supposed to put something in it |
| 02:36.38 | Yanroy | I'm definately on the network... I can ping the other machines in my house by IP |
| 02:36.51 | Dave | Hello slaxxin :) |
| 02:36.51 | Yanroy | (interestingly, the ping time varies between 34ms and 2 seconds) |
| 02:36.56 | Dave | How is your noobishness this evening? :) |
| 02:37.04 | Dave | Yanroy, crazy! |
| 02:37.21 | slaxxin | it says on the wiki (i think) that by default it comes with nothing |
| 02:37.28 | Dave | :P |
| 02:38.33 | Yanroy | slaxxin: yes, every reboot the resolv.conf gets wiped (stupid) |
| 02:38.39 | Yanroy | not you stupid, stupid resolv.conf |
| 02:39.16 | Yanroy | *sigh* so I ran udhcpc manually and it added DNS entries... then I needed to shut down usb0 and I'm golden |
| 02:39.20 | Yanroy | updates the wiki |
| 02:39.44 | Dave | Yanroy you can change that, you know. |
| 02:40.43 | paroneayea | wow |
| 02:40.53 | paroneayea | why the hell is mysql-common being installed onto here |
| 02:40.59 | Dave | heh |
| 02:41.00 | paroneayea | (default debian openmoko install) |
| 02:41.01 | Dave | surprise! |
| 02:41.16 | slaxxin | so u shut down usb to get wifi working is that right? |
| 02:41.21 | Dave | yes |
| 02:41.30 | Dave | it's a routing issue |
| 02:41.38 | slaxxin | oooooooo nos |
| 02:41.42 | Dave | if you look at the route table, they're on the same subnet (default) |
| 02:41.52 | Dave | so it can't guess where to send the packets |
| 02:42.00 | Dave | so it gets confused, and nothing gets accomplished :P |
| 02:42.49 | Dave | oh, and don't be a dolt and run two instances of udhcpc |
| 02:43.09 | Dave | anything where to things battle for resources or an interface is just stupid :) |
| 02:43.37 | Yanroy | Dave: when you said "you can change that", did you mean something about having to run udhcpc manually? |
| 02:43.58 | Yanroy | I figure the GUI setup thing ran it, since I had an IP address and could ping stuff on my network, but I had to run it manually to get the DNS entries |
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| 02:46.09 | Dave | no I mean you can prevent your resolv.conf from being wiped |
| 02:46.23 | Dave | more accurately, you can have it write the same thing to your resolv.conf file on startup, silly |
| 02:46.45 | Yanroy | Dave: what if I just want it to leave it alone? why does it get touched on startup at all? |
| 02:46.55 | Dave | edit the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:47.16 | Dave | You'll see :) |
| 02:48.00 | Yanroy | hmm |
| 02:48.16 | Yanroy | btw, is the predictive keyboard gone in the latest ASU update? it doesn't seem to be predicting anymore :( |
| 02:48.37 | Dave | you can switch inputs, as far as I know |
| 02:49.07 | Yanroy | there's an icon on the left side of the keyboard that I have no idea what it means |
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| 02:49.14 | Yanroy | doesn't seem to do anything when I click it |
| 02:49.23 | Yanroy | looks like 2 columns of text or something |
| 02:50.38 | Yanroy | curses his lost stylus |
| 02:50.45 | Yanroy | goes outside to play with tangoGPS |
| 02:51.31 | Dave | yay :) |
| 02:54.47 | paroneayea | speaking of stylus... |
| 02:54.56 | pabs3 | is it possible to have the FSO stack store contacts/etc on the filesystem instead of on the SIM card? |
| 02:55.11 | paroneayea | thinking of getting one that's smaller than this big ol' one that came with it... anyone have any suggestions? |
| 02:55.14 | johnsu01 | pabs3: last I checked and looked at the source, no |
| 02:55.24 | Dave | Aww |
| 02:55.36 | johnsu01 | pabs3: and that was a couple days ago |
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| 02:55.47 | pabs3 | johnsu01: ok :( |
| 02:57.02 | pabs3 | anyone know if openmoko/fic are considering external slots for SIM and SD cards? |
| 02:57.45 | paroneayea | pabs3: you already have an SD card slot... just that it's microsd ;) |
| 02:58.15 | pabs3 | paroneayea: sure, but you need to open the case to get at it |
| 02:58.16 | AntonTakk | pabs3: i'm starting to work on an improved contacts app for fso, but it's still very early (the app title is still "Edje Demo" ;) |
| 02:58.35 | paroneayea | AntonTakk: awesome! |
| 02:58.38 | Dave | Yeah, it's silliness. |
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| 03:04.09 | paroneayea | :( well, that long-ass debian install didn't work |
| 03:04.21 | paroneayea | probably because I'm on a 1973 |
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| 03:05.51 | paroneayea | if I had the monies I'd just suck it up and get a freerunner |
| 03:08.54 | Dave | oh :| |
| 03:10.02 | paroneayea | maybe the manual steps will work |
| 03:10.28 | Dave | hoep so |
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| 03:11.23 | paroneayea | unable to read /boot/uImage blah blah |
| 03:11.26 | paroneayea | bad magic number |
| 03:11.28 | paroneayea | pfffft |
| 03:11.47 | Dave | :X |
| 03:13.16 | pabs3 | paroneayea: you need to update the u-boot and the alter the u-boot environment (see the other script) |
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| 03:13.39 | paroneayea | pabs3: oooo |
| 03:14.08 | pabs3 | I had to do the same to get it to boot afterwards |
| 03:15.05 | paroneayea | oh |
| 03:15.16 | paroneayea | I'm afraid of bricking my device a little x_x |
| 03:15.25 | paroneayea | II) Set boot partition to be vfat by running SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all. Now you do not need to mess with modifying default U-Boot setup. |
| 03:15.28 | paroneayea | maybe I should do that. |
| 03:15.44 | AntonTakk | thinking contacts should have close and new buttons and a list of contacts, you touch the contact and get a set of options based on the info entered (call, text, e-mail, etc) then a selection of numbers/addresses so like Friend > Call > Home, Work, Cell, Work Cell, etc opinions? |
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| 03:16.14 | mmontour | That "default u-boot setup" vfat thing refers to the Freerunner only |
| 03:16.28 | paroneayea | yeah, I don't have a freerunner :( |
| 03:17.18 | AntonTakk | oh, anyonw know if there is a wiki page that tells where the config for the kernel options is? i'd like to add quiet :) |
| 03:17.33 | mmontour | paroneayea: how big is your microsd card? |
| 03:17.53 | paroneayea | mmontour: not too big... only the default 500 mb one. Just ordered some bigger ones though |
| 03:18.00 | paroneayea | er, ordered *a* bigger one |
| 03:18.28 | pabs3 | AntonTakk: probably in u-boot env settings. from a running kernel, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 03:18.41 | mmontour | that's ok. Neo1973 can't boot the kernel from SDHC (>= 4G) but smaller than that is OK |
| 03:19.31 | paroneayea | ok... hm |
| 03:19.55 | paroneayea | SD_PART1_FS=vfat ./install.sh all <- so do you think this route would or wouldn't work |
| 03:19.56 | paroneayea | ? |
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| 03:20.52 | mmontour | I have not looked at the Debian scripts at all. A vfat kernel partition would help if your u-boot has the bug that prevents it from accessing ext2/3 filesystems |
| 03:21.13 | paroneayea | ok |
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| 03:21.27 | paroneayea | so, think I should install it manually? |
| 03:21.35 | Yanroy | wow, tangogps takes forever to download map tile bunches... |
| 03:22.48 | mmontour | I'd be wary of running any Freerunner scripts on the 1973 because the flash partitions have different numbers. I recommend setting up your u-boot environment manually (see the "Booting from SD" wiki page - it's a mess, but it should have the info you need) |
| 03:23.09 | raster | man i have way too much on my todo list |
| 03:23.11 | paroneayea | k |
| 03:23.20 | paroneayea | thx |
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| 03:30.34 | Yanroy | has anyone come up with a good way of telling if the FR is "doing something" and not suspending if it is? |
| 03:30.57 | Yanroy | for instance, I can't go to sleep until this thing finishes download map tiles for tangogps because I need to manually re-enable suspend when it finishes |
| 03:31.19 | Yanroy | if there were a script to detect the activity, I could leave suspend turned on and it just wouldn't suspend until it finished |
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| 03:32.55 | pabs3 | best way to do that would be some kinda signal sent by individual apps to the power management daemons |
| 03:33.04 | pabs3 | don't think it exists yet though |
| 03:34.57 | Yanroy | hmm |
| 03:35.08 | Yanroy | is there a program that can batch-download tiles for tangogps? |
| 03:35.29 | Yanroy | so that I don't have to use tangogps's clunky interface that seems to limit me to 5 levels of zoom? |
| 03:35.30 | pabs3 | tango can do it, click on map download in the context menu |
| 03:35.56 | Yanroy | AFAICT, the max download from inside tangogps is only 5 levels more than what's on the screen |
| 03:36.11 | Yanroy | I want "everything currently on the screen to the maximum zoom level" |
| 03:36.38 | Yanroy | for instance, I live in MA... I want the entire state at a zoom level close enough to show street names |
| 03:36.50 | Yanroy | and part of NH, since I often drive to the manchester airport |
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| 03:38.32 | rooly | there was one |
| 03:39.13 | Yanroy | also, I assume this thing is smart enough to not download maps more than once if it already has it? |
| 03:39.20 | Yanroy | for instance, I've been downloading overlapping chunks |
| 03:40.31 | AntonTakk | anyone happen to know how to do quote in python like using */..../* in C/php? |
| 03:40.41 | rooly | # |
| 03:40.52 | rooly | # ... \ |
| 03:41.11 | AntonTakk | so # (multiple lines here \ ? |
| 03:41.16 | rooly | no |
| 03:41.19 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: firstly, it's /* ... */, and no, I don't know what it is in python |
| 03:41.36 | rooly | # (one line) \ |
| 03:41.41 | rooly | (next line) \ |
| 03:41.47 | rooly | (next line) |
| 03:41.50 | Yanroy | python might not even have multiline comments... it seems to have a lot of weird idiosyncrasies |
| 03:42.00 | rooly | i doubt it does |
| 03:42.03 | aggtrfrad | python rocks |
| 03:42.09 | rooly | python sure is great |
| 03:42.10 | rooly | slow |
| 03:42.12 | rooly | but great |
| 03:42.22 | rooly | not suitable for a core application |
| 03:42.33 | rooly | in a restricted environment |
| 03:42.36 | Yanroy | tell that to all the people trying to use it for major apps |
| 03:42.40 | AntonTakk | perhaps youre right |
| 03:42.51 | rooly | but still, quite great |
| 03:42.55 | AntonTakk | maybe i should be deving this on my desktop in c or c++ |
| 03:43.08 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: what are you making? |
| 03:43.17 | AntonTakk | contacts mgr for fso |
| 03:43.23 | Yanroy | I see |
| 03:43.31 | rooly | that'd be fine in python |
| 03:43.37 | Yanroy | my $0.02 is that would be a pretty major app for a scripting language |
| 03:43.39 | rooly | it's not something that requires alot fo speed |
| 03:43.44 | Yanroy | oh, yes it id |
| 03:43.45 | Yanroy | *is |
| 03:43.52 | Yanroy | it's what makes the phone a phone |
| 03:44.09 | rooly | woops, for a moment there, applied my own habits to everyone else |
| 03:44.14 | rooly | i don't aquire many contacts |
| 03:44.15 | Yanroy | prolly the #1 complaint about both ASU and 2007.2 is that the contacts and dailer apps take too long to launch and are slow |
| 03:44.35 | rooly | 07 is faster than 08, imo |
| 03:44.42 | Yanroy | it's not terribly important to be able to enter contacts quickly, imho |
| 03:44.54 | Yanroy | but to be able to open it, pick someone off the list, and call/text them needs to be quick |
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| 03:45.09 | rooly | true |
| 03:45.17 | rooly | i like the 07 sms better |
| 03:45.21 | AntonTakk | well, ideally it'll be a few functions for putting/pulling contact info to/from sqlite db and/or sim and the rest will be the gui |
| 03:45.25 | slaxxin | too many screens to go through |
| 03:45.26 | rooly | it looks more like a chat |
| 03:45.48 | rooly | sounds fine to me, AntonTakk |
| 03:46.02 | Yanroy | I find the 2008.8 SMS app to be very confusing because it's just typing on a blank screen... there's no indication of what's the message body and what isn't (but I guess everything is the body?) |
| 03:46.04 | rooly | however, evolution data imo would be more condusive to syncing with a computer |
| 03:46.19 | AntonTakk | rooly: yeah, was kinda thinking along those lines |
| 03:46.36 | Yanroy | but then, that's par for the course with the ASU UI, which looks basically like someone made a quick flash app that renders white text on a default black background |
| 03:46.44 | AntonTakk | also using evo's back ends can get us other nice things in other places, not to mention easy integration |
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| 03:46.45 | rooly | lol |
| 03:47.01 | rooly | but, to hell with the old stack! let's start brand new! |
| 03:47.06 | rooly | i mean...seriously |
| 03:47.10 | Yanroy | prefers evolution as well |
| 03:47.18 | AntonTakk | rooly: it's called fso ;) |
| 03:47.27 | Yanroy | how about SHR? |
| 03:47.29 | rooly | i just dispise the asu |
| 03:47.34 | rooly | *despise |
| 03:47.40 | Yanroy | I've been using the ASU as my primary phone since it came out |
| 03:47.46 | Yanroy | (used 2007.2 before that) |
| 03:47.53 | Yanroy | my FR has been my only phone since I got it |
| 03:47.53 | AntonTakk | either of you ever done any dev against evo back ends? |
| 03:48.00 | Yanroy | nope |
| 03:48.02 | rooly | nah |
| 03:48.05 | rooly | i'm a 3d dev |
| 03:48.12 | rooly | working on a google-earth like gps app |
| 03:48.14 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 03:48.19 | AntonTakk | nice |
| 03:48.47 | rooly | the trick will be seperating the 3d render thread, and resource management |
| 03:49.35 | Yanroy | pffffffffft |
| 03:49.38 | Yanroy | resource management... |
| 03:49.45 | Yanroy | my FR outperforms my windows desktop at work |
| 03:49.49 | rooly | lol |
| 03:49.49 | Yanroy | I think you'll be fine |
| 03:49.59 | rooly | but i only have a fraction of 128 megs to work with |
| 03:50.01 | rooly | and no swap |
| 03:50.07 | AntonTakk | well, the last time i did any real coding, it was c++, and compiled w/o so much as a warning, the next time I played with writing an app, gpp or wtf ever the command is/was errored out on the initial include statements :-\ that was a good 5 or better years ago now :) |
| 03:50.45 | rooly | hmm |
| 03:50.47 | rooly | rather rusty |
| 03:50.51 | Yanroy | AntonTakk: well, they did drop the .h from the end of the names of the standard includes a few years back... |
| 03:51.01 | AntonTakk | (note the source it errored on was the same program that compiled w/o errors before) |
| 03:51.20 | AntonTakk | yeah, i found that out |
| 03:51.22 | Yanroy | also, now they require you to use namespace std (or better yet, use the namespace resolution operator on your declarations) |
| 03:51.24 | AntonTakk | still didn't help |
| 03:52.11 | rooly | w00t |
| 03:52.20 | rooly | i've shurnk my dependencies to 2 |
| 03:52.30 | AntonTakk | corse i did have some interesting pointer-foo |
| 03:53.07 | rooly | honetsly rathers messing with a makefile by hand than waiting on a ./configure |
| 03:53.21 | AntonTakk | was doing math on 3d matrices and generating the 3d arrays based on user input :) |
| 03:53.44 | daMaestro | AntonTakk, ! |
| 03:53.45 | daMaestro | lol |
| 03:53.52 | rooly | is this enough of an optimization: -fexpensive-optimizations -03 -0s |
| 03:53.58 | daMaestro | is trying out the new release |
| 03:54.15 | rooly | get this |
| 03:54.16 | daMaestro | gah, i keep getting: Starting download: [#####dfu_download error -110 |
| 03:54.16 | daMaestro | Error during download |
| 03:54.23 | AntonTakk | eww |
| 03:54.28 | rooly | i was at an open-source group meeting today |
| 03:54.36 | rooly | i showed my phone to people |
| 03:54.48 | AntonTakk | daMaestro: yeah, i wouldn't be suprised if that little 100 line-or-so app leaked memory like win95 ;) |
| 03:54.52 | rooly | and they ACTUALLY knew what it was! |
| 03:55.04 | Yanroy | rooly: were they green with envy? |
| 03:55.08 | rooly | a little |
| 03:55.20 | rooly | one said he wanted to get one but was waiting till it got back in stock |
| 03:55.25 | Yanroy | I've yet to meet anyone outside my circle of friends that knows what it is, much less that has one |
| 03:55.26 | rooly | i told him "koolu, foo" |
| 03:55.31 | Yanroy | but pretty much all my friends have them :P |
| 03:55.49 | rooly | i'm the only hacker in my circle |
| 03:55.57 | rooly | hell, in my area |
| 03:56.00 | Yanroy | then its not so much a circle as a point |
| 03:56.01 | rooly | to a good extent... |
| 03:56.20 | rooly | and then i'm not a very well versed hacker |
| 03:56.33 | rooly | it's bad that i'm leading the pack when i'm not very good |
| 03:56.35 | AntonTakk | same here, cept my "circle of friends" kinda of doesn't extend outside immediate family and the rest of the it department at work :) |
| 03:56.40 | Yanroy | btw, is there a button in tangogps to recenter the view on your location? I thought there was in the old release (2007.2) but can't find it in ASU |
| 03:56.45 | rooly | yes |
| 03:56.49 | rooly | it's there |
| 03:56.54 | rooly | but you have to find the correct gtk theme |
| 03:57.00 | Yanroy | grr |
| 03:57.02 | rooly | which i found once but never again |
| 03:57.11 | Yanroy | why wouldn't it come with the right theme? |
| 03:57.19 | Yanroy | hell, why are there themes at all? |
| 03:57.28 | Yanroy | themes are irritating crap |
| 03:57.30 | rooly | so you could turn om2007.2 blue |
| 03:57.41 | Yanroy | I don't want it to be blue, I want it to be functional |
| 03:57.43 | rooly | i'm annoyed the dropped the old stack |
| 03:57.49 | Yanroy | if everyone would just design with one theme, we wouldn't have these issues |
| 03:58.01 | rooly | but it's linux man |
| 03:58.05 | rooly | gotta be changeable |
| 03:58.09 | aggtrfrad | are there any stable kernel images for debian, that support usb host mode? |
| 03:58.15 | Yanroy | if you want a new theme, switch windowing systems :P |
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| 03:58.42 | rooly | for instance, i changed my lock screen from the fugly green thing with the om symbol to the black/orange more spartan one |
| 03:58.58 | rooly | the unlock method is much more obvious now |
| 03:59.02 | Yanroy | if I wanted pretty, I'd have gotten an iphone |
| 03:59.08 | johnsu01 | is trying to figure out why qtopia pppd is still trying chap and other things when the peers file tells it not to |
| 04:00.53 | Yanroy | really just wants bash in his pocket |
| 04:01.18 | Yanroy | alrighty, time for bed |
| 04:01.24 | Yanroy | night all |
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| 04:24.54 | daMaestro | AntonTakk, it was myself being stupid and using -a kernel with the rootfs image ;-) |
| 04:25.49 | daMaestro | will Om2008.8-gta02-20080828 automagically use the new repos? |
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| 04:26.53 | ljp | johnsu01: qtopia uses /opt/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network |
| 04:27.15 | johnsu01 | ljp: I figured it out, I just needed to put a line in chap-secrets |
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| 04:34.07 | Daenyth | |Marco|: did you manage to get mofi working? |
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| 04:41.47 | johnsu01 | well, it's on gprs, but not setting the nameserver correctly.. I can ping IPs but not names |
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| 04:44.46 | Daenyth | johnsu01: try echo nameserver 4.2.2.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:45.05 | johnsu01 | Daenyth: sure, I can do it manually, but I need it to come up when the ppp connection comes up |
| 04:45.34 | Daenyth | johnsu01: edit /etc/networks/interfaces and add (or edit an existing line) "up echo 4.2.2.1 > /etc/resolv.conf" |
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| 04:46.12 | Daenyth | assuming static |
| 04:46.20 | johnsu01 | yeah, it's not static |
| 04:46.23 | Daenyth | hmm |
| 04:46.27 | Daenyth | should work anyway |
| 04:46.30 | Daenyth | put it as the last up line |
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| 04:50.05 | johnsu01 | Daenyth: well, the usepeerdns option for ppp should work, but I think the problem is that there is other networking going on |
| 04:50.36 | Daenyth | johnsu01: I believe you have to ifconfig the other interfaces down, or the default routes will get confused? |
| 04:51.52 | johnsu01 | yeah.... there is a replacedefaultroute option.. |
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| 04:52.56 | rooly | alright, 10 compiles later, and i have my working version of the graphics lib |
| 04:53.22 | rooly | 32bit pixels, zbuffer/wbuffer correct |
| 04:53.27 | rooly | a few other things |
| 04:53.32 | rooly | rtt supported |
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| 04:55.07 | rooly | 2 dependencies |
| 04:55.11 | rooly | irrlicht, and SDL |
| 04:55.19 | rooly | woo hoo |
| 04:55.22 | pabs3 | is there any way to forward my laptop keyboard and make it appear as a USB keyboard on the freerunner? |
| 04:55.35 | rooly | 2.0 megs |
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| 05:00.41 | daMaestro | so, how can i type a number in my wireless key? |
| 05:00.57 | daMaestro | pabs3, synergy? |
| 05:01.00 | daMaestro | pabs3, ;-) |
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| 05:01.20 | pabs3 | ya, just remembered that now |
| 05:01.35 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 05:01.54 | AntonTakk | not seeing any python libs for evolution backends in fso repos |
| 05:02.20 | rooly | yeah...you'll either have to wrap 'em or write 'em |
| 05:02.27 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 05:02.38 | daMaestro | ahhh cool |
| 05:02.41 | AntonTakk | don't know how to do either |
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| 05:02.57 | rooly | i believe there are python wrapping apps available |
| 05:02.59 | daMaestro | it's to the right of the keyboard, you just "scroll" up and it flips the input around |
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| 05:03.57 | Infinyte | There a guide for getting Debian on the actual Freerunner harddrive instead of the SD card yet? |
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| 05:18.59 | Infinyte | Hmm, what would be a better(Read:Faster) window manager than Xfce that you can use fine without use of a right-click? |
| 05:19.15 | raster | no desktop wm's |
| 05:19.17 | raster | pretty much |
| 05:19.22 | raster | unless heavily modified |
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| 05:22.26 | raster | e is probably the only "desktop wm" that will work |
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| 05:22.30 | raster | but u need a module to modify it |
| 05:22.34 | raster | and config changes |
| 05:22.36 | raster | (and theme) |
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| 05:22.45 | Infinyte | Dang |
| 05:22.47 | raster | i guess maybe ion3 might work.. |
| 05:22.58 | raster | but invariably these other wm's rely on keyboard controls a lot |
| 05:23.03 | raster | to work - not mouse |
| 05:23.10 | raster | and thus doesnt work well for a system with.. no keyboard |
| 05:23.12 | raster | :) |
| 05:23.20 | Infinyte | >_> Matchbox works. |
| 05:23.29 | raster | yup |
| 05:23.43 | Infinyte | What kinda keyboard-only Window managers would you reccomend? |
| 05:23.46 | raster | not a "desktop wm" |
| 05:23.50 | raster | designed for "embedded" |
| 05:23.59 | raster | i don't |
| 05:24.02 | raster | i use e |
| 05:24.03 | raster | :) |
| 05:24.08 | raster | but i'm biased |
| 05:24.12 | raster | and i'll admit that :) |
| 05:24.30 | Infinyte | Well I mean, anything that'd work on Debian. |
| 05:24.45 | raster | anything will work |
| 05:24.51 | raster | just need to compile it :) |
| 05:25.11 | Infinyte | Right, but I mean what would be.. Err, Fast? :p |
| 05:25.24 | raster | fast to run |
| 05:25.27 | raster | or fast to get on? |
| 05:25.43 | raster | and u may not realise how little a wm has to do wiht generla speed of apps |
| 05:25.53 | Infinyte | Fast to run. |
| 05:25.59 | Infinyte | Don't really care how long it takes to start up |
| 05:26.08 | raster | what do you mean by wm? |
| 05:26.18 | raster | or do you mean "desktop environment" |
| 05:26.42 | Infinyte | Err, Xfce as example. Or fluxbox for another. |
| 05:26.54 | raster | xfce does much more than fluxbox |
| 05:27.42 | Infinyte | Right, but I don't need to much. Just a graphical way of opening programs like Iceweasel and the Zhone app. Preferably though, something that takes low RAM usage. |
| 05:27.49 | raster | very big levels of functionality difference |
| 05:28.05 | raster | u could use matchbox |
| 05:28.06 | raster | or fluxbox |
| 05:28.22 | raster | e would do it too (e+illume+config profiles it comes with etc.) |
| 05:28.25 | Infinyte | Doesn't Fluxbox work off like, 100% right clicking though? |
| 05:28.30 | raster | dunno |
| 05:28.32 | raster | dont use fluxbox |
| 05:28.33 | raster | :) |
| 05:28.35 | Infinyte | Ah |
| 05:28.35 | raster | i use e |
| 05:28.36 | raster | :) |
| 05:28.43 | Infinyte | I thought you said you don't use e? |
| 05:28.43 | Infinyte | xD |
| 05:28.47 | raster | no |
| 05:28.48 | raster | i do |
| 05:28.50 | Infinyte | What's the link to e's webside? |
| 05:28.53 | Infinyte | *website |
| 05:28.53 | raster | i dont use the other wm's |
| 05:28.56 | Infinyte | Ahh |
| 05:28.57 | raster | i write e |
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| 05:29.06 | raster | thus <- bisased |
| 05:29.07 | raster | :) |
| 05:29.14 | raster | e is what is used in ASU and FSO |
| 05:29.15 | raster | for om |
| 05:29.20 | Infinyte | Oh wait, you mean enlightenment? |
| 05:29.32 | raster | (illume is the plugin that modifies e to behave differently) |
| 05:29.33 | raster | yes |
| 05:32.15 | AntonTakk | ok, i'm not going to be ambitious enough to write python support for evolution data server |
| 05:32.23 | AntonTakk | gonna use sqlite instead |
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| 05:38.04 | paroneayea | :( |
| 05:38.35 | paroneayea | thus far the only recent image I've gotten to work with the 1973 is the qtopia one |
| 05:39.34 | paroneayea | the 2008.8 release didn't even have a 1973 version, and the nightlies don't work... FSO phase 2 didn't start X... to what extent are people still working on the 1973? |
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| 05:43.20 | raster | paroneayea: you're not going to like this |
| 05:43.32 | raster | but really - 1973 is not well supported |
| 05:43.35 | raster | support exists |
| 05:43.38 | raster | and some will happen |
| 05:43.50 | raster | but really - om themselves dont have many 1973's |
| 05:43.53 | raster | as best i know om only has 1 |
| 05:44.02 | paroneayea | ah |
| 05:44.11 | raster | so cumminity can do support - gut there are only like 1000 or so 1973's around |
| 05:44.20 | raster | and even then - how many of them are actively used? |
| 05:44.25 | raster | so maybe a few hundred 1973's |
| 05:44.30 | raster | thats a VERY small community |
| 05:44.47 | raster | so the answer is |
| 05:44.58 | raster | if u want it supported - u need to do it - not wait for someone to do it for you |
| 05:45.23 | raster | with the exception of gps |
| 05:45.34 | raster | you have everything you need (source etc.) |
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| 05:47.13 | paroneayea | raster: yeah, I understand that technically I have everything I need... these days I'm pretty much spending most of my time outside of work volunteering on Miro though, so for the most part I was just hoping to be able to jump-start with the FSO release so I could start hacking some python apps.. I'd rather be doing the software building side than the packaging/distro side |
| 05:48.57 | paroneayea | realizing that, I guess I'll probably wait to get into development then until I can afford a GTA02/03, or have a weekend to explore getting the FSO to work on the 1973 |
| 05:49.48 | marcinsoo | does windows charge my neo? i discharged it completly and sadly i got only windows at work, i started using nokia's battery, and now replace that discharged battery and there is NO charging indicator ...any idea? |
| 05:49.51 | raster | you may need to fix up fso |
| 05:49.56 | raster | but it should be able to work |
| 05:50.03 | raster | marcinsoo: no |
| 05:50.22 | marcinsoo | so i got troubles :) |
| 05:50.47 | raster | windows will not power up a usb device to 500ma unless u have a driver |
| 05:51.05 | marcinsoo | raster : i've got driver |
| 05:51.20 | Infinyte | Where can you get a driver like that? |
| 05:51.39 | raster | does the driver also power it up to 500ma? |
| 05:51.54 | marcinsoo | i have no idea |
| 05:52.06 | marcinsoo | i can't see charging indicator |
| 05:52.15 | marcinsoo | so i am pretty worried |
| 05:52.16 | raster | unless it does - the FR wont charge |
| 05:52.19 | raster | u need it at 500ma |
| 05:52.35 | raster | it also may not be charge if the battery is full |
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| 05:53.48 | marcinsoo | ok, then i have to stay connected whole day |
| 05:54.14 | raster | basically tho - it's a windows problem as such. linux happily powers it up to 500ma |
| 05:54.26 | raster | so my guess is the windows "driver" you have is not |
| 05:54.36 | raster | do you get a new ethernet device in windows? |
| 05:54.50 | marcinsoo | ok i see, what if i booted by eg. Knoppix ? |
| 05:55.10 | raster | it'd work |
| 05:55.11 | marcinsoo | yeep |
| 05:55.26 | raster | basically in windows it will recognise u have a usb device |
| 05:55.34 | raster | then ask for a driver when u plug in your FR |
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| 05:56.01 | raster | if you dont have an appropriate driver u'll never get the FR powered so it can charge |
| 05:56.03 | Infinyte | Hrm, how can you switch between desktop managers on Debian? |
| 05:56.08 | raster | there is a wall charger you can use |
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| 05:56.18 | raster | or - write a driver for windows |
| 05:56.27 | raster | or find one that works (no idea if it exists) |
| 05:56.40 | lindi- | Infinyte: window managers, desktop environments or display managers? |
| 05:56.41 | raster | or dont use windows (use linux which will do the right thing out of the box) |
| 05:56.44 | lindi- | Infinyte: what are desktop managers? |
| 05:56.46 | marcinsoo | raster : thanks a lot |
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| 05:57.01 | Infinyte | Err.. >_> Like, switch from Xfce to Blackbox. |
| 05:57.39 | lindi- | Infinyte: .xsession is the per-user way |
| 05:58.26 | Infinyte | Hrm? |
| 05:58.41 | slaxxin | xwmconfig in slackware |
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| 05:59.20 | lindi- | Infinyte: yes, you start what you want from ~/.xsession |
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| 05:59.37 | Infinyte | Ah alrighty. |
| 05:59.59 | lindi- | exec blackbox or something |
| 06:04.25 | Infinyte | Hmm, nuttin' happens. Haha. |
| 06:04.37 | lindi- | Infinyte: strace? |
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| 06:06.24 | Infinyte | Lemme install that.. There any way to monitor RAM/CPU usage of the Freerunner in Debian? |
| 06:06.33 | raster | tio |
| 06:06.34 | raster | top |
| 06:07.33 | Infinyte | Pardon? |
| 06:07.44 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r0f7b2e132641 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume_svn.bb: illume: remote the duplicate package in openmoko-projects. |
| 06:07.44 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r34efaac13928 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): update efl and e to latest - fix segv on startup, gsm now doesnt use gsmget |
| 06:07.45 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb71c1d4fdd19 10/packages/e17/e-wm_svn.bb: e-wm: bugfix, specify the path to eet as well. |
| 06:07.45 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rb28671dece02 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: remove the duplicated pn-illume, make it in sync |
| 06:07.47 | Infinyte | Oh and Lindi, it says "no managable screens found" when I do that. Haha. |
| 06:07.48 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * rd2569f1e9002 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): illume-theme-asu: change to svn and use asu config by default |
| 06:07.51 | CIA-48 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.dev * r42f5092e2ff3 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up illume srcrev |
| 06:08.18 | raster | Infinyte: top |
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| 06:08.54 | Infinyte | OH |
| 06:08.56 | Infinyte | Haha. I see. |
| 06:08.58 | Infinyte | :D |
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| 06:09.09 | Infinyte | Oh that's cool. |
| 06:09.10 | Infinyte | Thanke |
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| 06:09.32 | raster | smells a unix/linux n00b scent in the air :) |
| 06:10.10 | Infinyte | >_> Yes yes. |
| 06:10.13 | Infinyte | Well, sorta. |
| 06:10.22 | Infinyte | I mean I've used Ubuntu for upwards of 5 years now. |
| 06:10.29 | raster | seriously - you may have bitten off more than u can chew with a FR |
| 06:10.39 | Infinyte | But I'm a GUI monster. |
| 06:10.50 | raster | if u aren't poretty much completely into linux... you will find a lot of hard stuff |
| 06:10.56 | raster | monster? |
| 06:11.01 | Infinyte | Yush |
| 06:11.04 | Infinyte | You know? |
| 06:11.07 | Infinyte | Like the Cookie Monster? |
| 06:11.07 | raster | no |
| 06:11.08 | Infinyte | <_< |
| 06:11.14 | raster | oh |
| 06:11.18 | Infinyte | Always wantin' them cookies. |
| 06:11.19 | raster | u like eating gooey stuff? |
| 06:11.19 | raster | :) |
| 06:11.22 | Infinyte | LOl |
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| 06:11.36 | Infinyte | Ah it's okay. I like a chalange. |
| 06:12.48 | Infinyte | Woah, the phone is using all but 20 Megs of Ram running Xfce. o_O |
| 06:13.03 | lindi- | Infinyte: when you do what? |
| 06:13.20 | lindi- | Infinyte: VSZ or RSS? |
| 06:13.22 | Infinyte | Err, I just have one Terminal up and the Matchbox keyboard. |
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| 06:13.49 | lindi- | Infinyte: that was reply to < Infinyte> Oh and Lindi, it says "no managable screens found" when I do that. Haha. |
| 06:14.20 | Infinyte | Oh |
| 06:14.47 | Infinyte | When I do "strace blackbox" |
| 06:17.05 | lindi- | Infinyte: blackbox source code does not contain that string |
| 06:17.16 | Infinyte | Ah. |
| 06:17.31 | lindi- | Infinyte: please "strace -o strace.out -s256 -f blackbox" and put strace.out online |
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| 06:22.41 | Infinyte | Hmm, that would probably work. But it won't work through ssh, and when I do it in the Freerunner it wants me to close xfce, of course doing so leaves me without a keyboard. xD |
| 06:23.20 | lindi- | Infinyte: why won't it work through ssh? |
| 06:23.34 | Infinyte | It says "Failed to open display" |
| 06:23.46 | lindi- | Infinyte: you tell it the right DISPLAY |
| 06:24.20 | lindi- | it's just an environment variable that tells where the X server is |
| 06:24.36 | Infinyte | Ahh |
| 06:26.53 | Infinyte | So what would be the right Display? |
| 06:28.01 | Infinyte | Aww, nevermind. I don't wanna be a bother. xP |
| 06:28.09 | lindi- | Infinyte: just look it up under X if you really don't know? |
| 06:28.54 | abraxa_ | Infinyte: Do you mean to run an app via ssh on the FR? If so, use DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 06:35.15 | Infinyte | Woah |
| 06:35.17 | Infinyte | I did it :D |
| 06:35.53 | CM_work | abraxa_: Good morning! :) |
| 06:37.04 | Infinyte | I copied the /etc/init.d/zhone-session and made a blackbox one (/etc/init.d/blackbox) and changed PROG_FSO= to /usr/bin/blackbox and then ran /etc/init.d/blackbox start after stopping xfce |
| 06:37.06 | Infinyte | Mornin'. |
| 06:37.14 | Infinyte | Only one problem now. |
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| 06:37.25 | Infinyte | Blackbox appears to be completely useless without right-click. |
| 06:37.26 | Infinyte | XDD |
| 06:38.51 | Infinyte | Same thing works for fluxbox. But it seems to be pretty right-click based too. As far as I can tell. |
| 06:39.13 | raster | a desktop wm will just not work well on a device like a phone |
| 06:39.14 | raster | :) |
| 06:39.17 | raster | as i said before |
| 06:39.19 | raster | :) |
| 06:39.41 | Infinyte | Well if I could find some way to emulate right click.. :< |
| 06:40.56 | Infinyte | Or maybe find a way to open the matchbox keyboard in one of them |
| 06:42.36 | Infinyte | I wonder if ROX is in the repos.. |
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| 06:45.27 | Infinyte | Ah, yup. |
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| 06:48.04 | lpotter | maybe try click and hold for right click. thats a common substitute |
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| 06:49.25 | Infinyte | That sounds like an idea, but how would I make it do that? O_o |
| 06:50.04 | LuYu | is there a terminal in the default debian install? |
| 06:50.19 | LuYu | or does one have to use USB the first time? |
| 06:51.15 | Infinyte | There is |
| 06:51.20 | Infinyte | Open the Matchbox Keyboard |
| 06:51.37 | Infinyte | And press CTRL ALT and then X |
| 06:51.40 | LuYu | i cant see anything except the phone apps and GPS |
| 06:51.42 | Infinyte | And it'll open a big 'ol terminal, with the keyboard still there. |
| 06:51.55 | LuYu | huh? |
| 06:52.05 | LuYu | so, i have to login with usbnet, then |
| 06:52.11 | Infinyte | No.. |
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| 06:52.38 | LuYu | how can i press ctrl-alt-x if i dont have a keyboard installed? |
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| 06:52.42 | Infinyte | Just open the keyboard (Press the button on the top left of the phone) and press on CTRL, ALT and X |
| 06:52.47 | LuYu | oh |
| 06:52.50 | Infinyte | It should be installed already |
| 06:52.52 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 06:53.00 | LuYu | how does one open the keyboard |
| 06:53.15 | Infinyte | The button on the top left of the phone itself. |
| 06:53.23 | Infinyte | You know, the little rectangle one? |
| 06:53.37 | Infinyte | Hold that down for a sec and the keyboard should pop up |
| 06:54.00 | LuYu | okay |
| 06:54.47 | LuYu | neither of the hardware buttons seem to have any effect |
| 06:55.16 | LuYu | nope |
| 06:55.18 | LuYu | nothing |
| 06:55.36 | Infinyte | O_o |
| 06:55.39 | Infinyte | That's odd |
| 06:55.53 | Infinyte | Worked for me. :\ |
| 06:56.05 | LuYu | i dont know |
| 06:56.11 | LuYu | just installed it last night |
| 06:56.21 | LuYu | i thought i was going to get a desktop |
| 06:56.32 | LuYu | now theres this strange phone GUI |
| 06:56.37 | LuYu | its kind of nice |
| 06:56.49 | LuYu | but rather exceedingly restrictive |
| 06:57.21 | Infinyte | That's the FSO |
| 06:57.22 | Infinyte | Haha |
| 06:57.33 | LuYu | even holding the button down for 30 seconds doesnt work |
| 06:57.42 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 06:57.43 | pabs3 | FSO GUI is just a prototype IIRC |
| 06:57.55 | Infinyte | Well, SSH into it via USB and install xfce. Still dunno why the matchbox keyboard won't pop up for you though. |
| 06:58.05 | LuYu | well, is it the prototype thats keeping me from getting a keyboard? |
| 06:58.20 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 06:58.27 | LuYu | okay |
| 06:58.47 | pabs3 | do you have /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle running? |
| 06:59.00 | LuYu | i have no idea |
| 06:59.11 | LuYu | i just successfully booted it for the first time |
| 06:59.24 | LuYu | and now, the FSO interface is all ive seen |
| 06:59.25 | Infinyte | It should be running by default if I remember correctly. Bad install maybe? |
| 06:59.35 | pabs3 | ssh in and check |
| 06:59.46 | LuYu | thats what im doing |
| 06:59.48 | LuYu | wait a sec |
| 07:01.45 | AntonTakk | gah |
| 07:01.49 | AntonTakk | python is anoying |
| 07:01.50 | LuYu | its 202 like the other openmoko systems, right? |
| 07:01.57 | Infinyte | Right |
| 07:02.13 | Infinyte | Hmm, trying to do the same thing I did with blackbox with rox. But rox isn't in the /bin/ area.. |
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| 07:04.08 | LuYu | hmmm |
| 07:04.19 | LuYu | looks like its not responding to ssh either |
| 07:04.21 | LuYu | grrr |
| 07:06.05 | LuYu | im running off SD |
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| 07:06.21 | LuYu | is there a way to disable FSO without using the package manager? |
| 07:07.22 | AntonTakk | 'disable FSO' ?? |
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| 07:09.49 | LuYu | i mean stop it from starting up |
| 07:09.54 | LuYu | X runs fine |
| 07:10.12 | LuYu | but it appears that the FSO interface is blocking all input |
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| 07:10.49 | LuYu | but if im going to stop it from running, i would have to do it with the 2007 image |
| 07:11.06 | LuYu | because i cant do anything to the OS in debian with the current install |
| 07:11.48 | LuYu | so, i was more or less thinking of temorarily crippling FSO, and seeing what i could get with the leftover system |
| 07:11.59 | LuYu | i guess thats probably not the best way to go about it |
| 07:12.13 | LuYu | :-/ |
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| 07:12.17 | Infinyte | Hey, guy from earlier or somebody. >_> What's Enlightenment called for apt-get? |
| 07:12.23 | methril | morning |
| 07:12.37 | paroneayea | YES |
| 07:12.54 | AntonTakk | Infinyte: could be enlightenment, or e17 |
| 07:13.32 | Infinyte | Hmm |
| 07:14.17 | pabs3 | Infinyte: e17 is only available in Debian experimental |
| 07:14.23 | Infinyte | Ahh |
| 07:14.27 | paroneayea | raster: so, I did get it working after all |
| 07:14.32 | paroneayea | latest development build works |
| 07:15.06 | pabs3 | Infinyte: doesn't appear to be autobuilt for armel either |
| 07:15.07 | raster | :) |
| 07:15.16 | Infinyte | Ah well. |
| 07:15.25 | paroneayea | yay |
| 07:16.00 | paroneayea | so I'm still missing out on all teh cool stuff... GPS, wifi, & etc, but I can still start experimenting with the dbus api, which is all I really wanted to do anyway |
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| 07:16.28 | LuYu | raster: in your 2008 image, is there a way to install a terminal without getting your nice keyboard stomped by that crappy default one? |
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| 07:17.24 | raster | LuYu: dunno - i just build the image i had at the time |
| 07:17.27 | Infinyte | Arr, anyone know of a left-click only window manager that's as light as fluxbox? |
| 07:17.41 | raster | installing will mean qpe pops up |
| 07:18.00 | raster | Infinyte: e17 :) |
| 07:18.06 | Infinyte | >_> |
| 07:18.30 | Infinyte | Anything that I don't have to build/can't build because I'm to lazy/dumb? ;D |
| 07:19.26 | LuYu | its too bad cause your keyboard is much better than the default one |
| 07:19.30 | LuYu | :) |
| 07:20.03 | Infinyte | Hmm, what about e16? |
| 07:20.22 | Batchy | e16 use right click iirc |
| 07:20.42 | Batchy | but it's configurable anyway |
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| 07:21.00 | Infinyte | Well, it can HAVE the right-click functionality, but can is it usable without right clicking is the big issue. |
| 07:21.08 | Infinyte | xfce is a good example, but I want something lighter. |
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| 07:21.19 | LuYu | when running on SD, is there a way to access NAND flash? |
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| 07:23.04 | Infinyte | Well e16 was in the repos. Testin' it out. |
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| 07:23.59 | raster | e16 wont do well |
| 07:24.06 | raster | entirely different to e17 btw |
| 07:24.11 | raster | not a single line of code the same |
| 07:24.21 | Infinyte | Figures. :p Well, how can I get e17? Haha |
| 07:24.26 | raster | source |
| 07:24.27 | raster | :) |
| 07:24.33 | Infinyte | :< |
| 07:25.02 | paroneayea | good night all, thanks for the help despite my annoying questions :) |
| 07:25.06 | Infinyte | Ooo, liking e16 so far though. |
| 07:25.32 | raster | e16 is quote primitive compared to e17 :) |
| 07:25.57 | kgoetz | but it has been released :p |
| 07:26.14 | raster | who needs reeleases when u have svn ! |
| 07:26.15 | raster | :) |
| 07:26.24 | kgoetz | hehe. |
| 07:26.25 | Infinyte | And I'd love to use it, but I can't compile stuffs. :< I just break everything. >_> |
| 07:27.01 | gatestone_ | Can anyone comment if, GSM pricing in USA is essentially more expensive than in Europe? I am thingking here like PDA usage, with reasonable amounts of data only |
| 07:27.01 | gatestone_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.07 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
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| 07:29.19 | pabs3 | raster: s/svn/git/ |
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| 07:30.28 | raster | pffft |
| 07:30.28 | raster | git |
| 07:30.35 | raster | me has come to hate git |
| 07:31.34 | Infinyte | Well e16 is impressing me enough for now. But I can't find the matchbox keyboard in the app list. >_> |
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| 07:33.39 | LuYu | what program does the debian install use for dhcp? |
| 07:33.48 | LuYu | dhcpcd? |
| 07:34.21 | lindi- | LuYu: doesn't the install.sh mention it? |
| 07:34.22 | LuYu | obviously, the program is different from the openmoko systems |
| 07:34.32 | LuYu | i didnt see it on there |
| 07:35.13 | LuYu | the openmoko wiki fairly well assumes you have net connectivity |
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| 07:36.20 | LuYu | no, i dont see anything about that |
| 07:36.35 | LuYu | there has to be a dhcp program installed |
| 07:36.39 | LuYu | i just need a name |
| 07:37.04 | LuYu | or maybe i should just do it manually |
| 07:37.34 | LuYu | the problem is, thats not as easy with wifi |
| 07:38.02 | opendeep | Some one had this problem before :Can't run python apps - ImportError: No module named cairo |
| 07:38.03 | LuYu | found it |
| 07:38.06 | LuYu | dhclient |
| 07:38.11 | marcinsoo | raster : luckily windows box has charged my battery after all...:] |
| 07:38.44 | opendeep | I want to know this is resolved or not |
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| 07:41.08 | Infinyte | Hm, is there an alternate on-screen keyboard that can be gotten through apt-get? |
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| 07:42.56 | LuYu | good |
| 07:43.00 | LuYu | ive got wifi now |
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| 07:44.25 | pabs3 | Infinyte: for now only matchbox, illume keyboard (awesome) is planned once some e17 stuff is packaged IIRC |
| 07:45.33 | Infinyte | Ah, well.. How can I launch matchbox? |
| 07:45.36 | Infinyte | xD |
| 07:45.57 | Infinyte | I know how in xfce, it's in accessories. But I can't find it in e16 :< |
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| 07:51.19 | pabs3 | Infinyte: should be running by default if you used the pkg-fso install.sh script |
| 07:51.49 | pabs3 | if not, run matchbox-keyboard from a terminal |
| 07:52.24 | Infinyte | Hmm.. Can it not come up in anything but the Zhone and Xfce or something? O_o |
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| 08:00.00 | Infinyte | Ah well, anyone gotten sound to play in Debian, besides call sounds and ringing? |
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| 08:14.09 | Infinyte | So when do you think e17 will appear in the repo? |
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| 08:23.48 | Tig| | 'ning all, did I see mentioned on here some unoffical feeds for the FSO milestone 2? |
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| 08:24.56 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 08:24.59 | Zorkman | at bearstech |
| 08:25.20 | Tig| | aha! thanks :) |
| 08:25.56 | Zorkman | np |
| 08:26.27 | Zorkman | you don't know by any chanse what I should use as feeds for 2008.8? zecke's feeds or http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/ ? |
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| 08:27.55 | Tig| | Zorkman: no idea i am afraid, are they now split into testing and stable/ |
| 08:28.04 | Zorkman | yeah i know, and that is a good thing |
| 08:28.25 | Tig| | but what isn't is the clarity on what you are supposed to be using? |
| 08:28.28 | Zorkman | but there is the Multiverse feeds, the Om2008.8 feeds, he testing and the unstable feeds and then there are zecke's feeds... |
| 08:28.52 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: any voip clients yet ? |
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| 08:29.08 | Tig| | ah so just when things were getting simple again they find a way to complicate it :) |
| 08:29.10 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: there was a GSoC project about that |
| 08:29.10 | dbmoodb | like on 2008.8 |
| 08:29.13 | Zorkman | don't know the status |
| 08:29.33 | Zorkman | but GSoC should be almost finished... I expect a statusreport on all of them |
| 08:29.40 | dbmoodb | "was" yeah.. what about blah... pjsim is close... etc. just have to get them to actually compile which i find impossible. |
| 08:29.49 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: really? |
| 08:30.00 | Zorkman | yeah, i think michael also mentionned it |
| 08:30.12 | Tig| | Well the SoC project was to add voip to telepathy |
| 08:30.22 | dbmoodb | Tig|: and to the device ? |
| 08:30.43 | Tig| | Telepathy is a DBUS framework :) |
| 08:30.52 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: Michael Lauer said: (24/08) "Please wait for GSoc completely finishing, I expect some final status reports |
| 08:30.52 | Zorkman | from every student then. |
| 08:30.54 | Zorkman | " |
| 08:31.39 | Tig| | sadly thinking your voip conversation and sending it to the FR is slightly beyond the available hardware :) |
| 08:31.40 | dbmoodb | ok so... it now has dbus support and .. is there a said lib / back end ? |
| 08:31.57 | Tig| | no idea, I am getting this from the wiki :) |
| 08:31.58 | dbmoodb | Tig|: ah what ? ... |
| 08:32.54 | Zorkman | what do you mean Tig|? do you think the FR will not be able to handle it? |
| 08:33.19 | dbmoodb | Tig|: why the hell not ? |
| 08:33.29 | Tig| | I meant doing voip calls by *mental* telepathy is beyond the FR :) |
| 08:33.35 | pabs3 | Infinyte: when it gets released and the maintainer moves it to unstable |
| 08:33.58 | Zorkman | :) |
| 08:34.12 | Zorkman | also looking forward to mokopedia... |
| 08:34.31 | Zorkman | I'm guessing it will be ready by next weekend |
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| 08:35.15 | Zorkman | llo bumbl |
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| 08:37.08 | bumbl | hi Zorkman |
| 08:37.25 | Zorkman | a new day of tinkering with the FR has begun :) |
| 08:39.55 | bumbl | yeah |
| 08:44.05 | lpotter | mokopedia? |
| 08:44.22 | Zorkman | haven't you heard of that lpotter? |
| 08:44.29 | lpotter | ummm no |
| 08:44.31 | Zorkman | it's the complete wikipedia on our freerunners :) |
| 08:44.47 | lpotter | hmmm ok |
| 08:44.52 | Zorkman | they have already made the german wiki (1.3G) and the dutch wiki (0.5G) and are working on the english one |
| 08:44.58 | Tig| | there used to be an app like that on the zaurus |
| 08:44.59 | Zorkman | full text search in +/-20sec |
| 08:45.15 | Zorkman | everything execpt pictures included |
| 08:45.27 | Zorkman | (there is a channel #mokopedia btw) |
| 08:46.16 | bumbl | I thought they wanted to include thumbnails |
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| 08:47.14 | Zorkman | ah, I could be mistaken |
| 08:48.26 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: what ? |
| 08:48.26 | fale | I have a little question about QTopia: someone told me that is 'closer' than 2008.8 is that real? |
| 08:48.26 | Zorkman | that they include thumbs |
| 08:48.26 | dbmoodb | really.... ah is this -- wikipeida as in .. the dumps or ? |
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| 08:48.56 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: wikipedia as in the full wiki offline and searchable in your pocket |
| 08:49.13 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: as in how what format ? |
| 08:49.25 | dbmoodb | i have an old wikipedia dump do i use that or ? |
| 08:49.37 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia |
| 08:49.51 | lpotter | closer? |
| 08:50.12 | Tig| | fale: in what way closer? yes it is a slightly more stable phone image but it does not do much else and it means you can only run QT aps |
| 08:50.13 | fale | lpotter: less customable |
| 08:50.31 | fale | loves qt apps |
| 08:50.36 | dbmoodb | yuikes that's crazy |
| 08:50.53 | Tig| | ah more closed, well it is still all open but you are limited to running qt apps only |
| 08:51.05 | Dave | la la la |
| 08:51.09 | fale | in Qtopia there is, or is possible to put a voIP program? |
| 08:51.10 | dbmoodb | alalal nokia |
| 08:51.12 | pabs3 | how big is mokopedia??? |
| 08:51.16 | Zorkman | llo Dave |
| 08:51.29 | Zorkman | pabs3: Tests show that the German Wikipedia will be around 1.3GB and the English Wikipedia around 4GB so with flash storage prices dropping I will not bother removing certain articles - the dumps will include everything. |
| 08:51.39 | Zorkman | Dutch wiki is 0.5GB |
| 08:51.43 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: pft 4gb is still much. |
| 08:51.49 | Dave | Greetings |
| 08:51.57 | pabs3 | aye, my SD is only 4Gb |
| 08:52.00 | Dave | Zorkman, if you're so attuned to this, how big is wikipedia? |
| 08:52.01 | Dave | :p |
| 08:52.05 | Dave | English version |
| 08:52.14 | Dave | Hello pabster ;) |
| 08:52.31 | Tig| | well if they would drop the pokemon and scifi tv series sections of the En one it would probably be about 1G too :P |
| 08:52.36 | dbmoodb | mmmm should be possible to cut it down some more :) |
| 08:52.42 | lpotter | qtopia is not more closed. it is completely open source |
| 08:52.48 | pabs3 | yo Daveoid |
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| 08:53.00 | lpotter | so in that sense it is completely customizable |
| 08:53.06 | fale | lpotter: I see |
| 08:53.08 | Dave | :) |
| 08:53.19 | fale | lpotter: is there a VoIP program? |
| 08:53.21 | Dave | lpotter, perhaps just more confusing? :P |
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| 08:53.42 | lpotter | fale: there is if you compile from the unoffical git |
| 08:53.43 | Dave | and even more cabal like? |
| 08:53.56 | lpotter | confusing? |
| 08:53.59 | fale | lpotter: but there isn't in the image? |
| 08:54.02 | Zorkman | Dave: 46Gb i think |
| 08:54.05 | Dave | I hear the trolltech guys are into some dark rituals |
| 08:54.11 | Dave | Zorkman, that sounds miniscule |
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| 08:54.30 | Fradeve | hi guys |
| 08:54.35 | fale | hi Fradeve |
| 08:54.36 | lpotter | fale: not from trolltech |
| 08:54.37 | Dave | Lpotter, you figure 4.3.2 should be released within a week? :) |
| 08:54.37 | Tig| | 'ning |
| 08:54.38 | Fradeve | I've installed 2008.08, butI can't enter the pin cause there are no numbers on the keyboard |
| 08:54.47 | Dave | fadeve, read the topic please :) |
| 08:54.57 | fale | lpotter: there will be in the next version, as far as you can say? |
| 08:54.57 | Tig| | Fradeve: slide your finger up on the keyboard |
| 08:54.59 | lpotter | Dave: source has been released today, so I am working on updating qtopia.net images |
| 08:55.11 | lpotter | 4.3.2 release sources |
| 08:55.14 | Dave | Lpotter, thanks for that :p |
| 08:55.22 | Dave | Lpotter, any improvements? |
| 08:55.35 | lpotter | yes |
| 08:56.07 | Fradeve | thanks fale |
| 08:56.14 | fale | Fradeve: ? |
| 08:56.28 | Fradeve | tjg| sorry |
| 08:56.34 | fale | Fradeve: :D |
| 08:56.34 | Dave | Lpotter, oh, are you not going to tell me? or is there a CHANGES file or something I can read? :) |
| 08:57.11 | Fradeve | sliding keyboard is too cool |
| 08:57.26 | Dave | :P |
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| 08:57.32 | fale | lpotter: what about the KDE programs? |
| 08:57.39 | Dave | fale: scary |
| 08:57.48 | fale | Dave: ? |
| 08:59.42 | fale | Dave: are you a programmer? |
| 09:00.09 | lpotter | Dave http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/release-4-3-2.html |
| 09:00.16 | Dave | Sure. |
| 09:00.22 | Dave | Thank you, Mister Potter. |
| 09:00.37 | fale | Dave: sure to me or to Mr Potter? |
| 09:00.43 | Dave | TO YOU |
| 09:00.49 | Dave | Mr. Fale |
| 09:00.49 | lpotter | executive view of the changes |
| 09:00.58 | Dave | :) |
| 09:01.06 | Dave | damn executives :P |
| 09:01.47 | fale | Dave: have you ever made a program in Qt and after compiled it and run it on your openmoko? |
| 09:01.49 | Zorkman | wow BUG 200881 , openmoko isn't even at BUG2000 ;-) |
| 09:03.27 | Zorkman | Dave!: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b09d95e21b03a21ea1cd76ae9f3b77c4.png |
| 09:03.42 | Zorkman | looks like a game-in-the-make :) |
| 09:04.16 | bumbl | nice |
| 09:04.54 | Zorkman | I think it might be from the same people as mokoegg? |
| 09:05.02 | bumbl | fale: Dave uses gtk on his moko |
| 09:05.16 | pabs3 | Zorkman: what kinda game is that???!? |
| 09:05.35 | Zorkman | dunno, probably more a proof of concept at the moment |
| 09:05.43 | Zorkman | but I see potential in it |
| 09:05.47 | fale | bumbl: I see, thx |
| 09:05.47 | bumbl | pabs3: it looks like tekken or little fighter |
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| 09:06.30 | Zorkman | it would be great if it could have an online function |
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| 09:06.50 | pabs3 | any other screenshots? |
| 09:06.58 | Zorkman | or with bluetooth, you can "hit" other openmoko users when you get near them :) |
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| 09:07.47 | Zorkman | would be a nice RWMMG real world massive multiplayer game :) |
| 09:07.48 | bumbl | Zorkman: fat chance that you meet other openmoko users accidently |
| 09:08.04 | Zorkman | bumbl, I might find you in brussels :p |
| 09:08.31 | Zorkman | it could also be ported to other devices and what the hell, one may dream, can't he :) |
| 09:08.41 | Dave | haha :P |
| 09:08.44 | Zorkman | it would also be possible to make a kind of online game :) |
| 09:08.57 | Dave | Androids DO dream of electric sheep, remember ;) |
| 09:08.58 | Zorkman | openmoko users could team up |
| 09:09.14 | bumbl | and beat up iphone users |
| 09:09.19 | Dave | zorkman, there's so few, and they're so weak, it'd be hard to pit them against one another. |
| 09:09.24 | Dave | bumble :D |
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| 09:09.34 | Zorkman | they're weak, but not when they're behind their computers :) |
| 09:10.04 | Zorkman | c'mon, it would be great |
| 09:10.10 | pabs3 | anyone got a water-proof freerunner? |
| 09:10.12 | Dave | heh |
| 09:10.23 | Dave | pabs, I tried that, yeah |
| 09:10.27 | Zorkman | mine has waterproof-pieces, but not in total no :) |
| 09:10.30 | Dave | but it'd be nice to have a formal casing done |
| 09:10.50 | Dave | I was a bit skiddish at first, but took it in the pool :P |
| 09:10.53 | Zorkman | yeah, we need a better casing, to keep the buzz even better inside :) |
| 09:11.04 | pabs3 | nice one |
| 09:11.38 | Dave | Usually with a cellphone, a ziplock bag is good enough, but this was... a rather more expensive "phone", if you could even call it that :P |
| 09:11.59 | Dave | so I encased it within a small plexiglass enclosure, then tossed it in the deep end :p |
| 09:14.29 | Zorkman | I once flushed my FR because I thought the feds had found me... |
| 09:17.10 | bumbl | agents |
| 09:17.17 | bumbl | anywhere |
| 09:17.18 | Tig| | hmm opkg segfault on update :( |
| 09:17.20 | bumbl | they will get you |
| 09:17.22 | Dave | :P |
| 09:17.35 | Dave | haha, bad news |
| 09:17.37 | Zorkman | and bumbl is one of the few that can say that with authority |
| 09:17.54 | Zorkman | Tig|: you didn't really pour water on it did you? :) |
| 09:18.07 | Tig| | nope I added the bearstech feeds ;p |
| 09:18.23 | Zorkman | :) never heard anyone complain about them |
| 09:18.38 | Dave | pesky germans |
| 09:19.13 | Zorkman | bearstech is french |
| 09:19.28 | Tig| | perhaps I messed up how I added them |
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| 09:21.10 | Zorkman | Tig|: did you use the testing or the unstable ones? |
| 09:21.16 | Tig| | testing |
| 09:21.24 | Zorkman | ah, that should work normally... |
| 09:22.17 | Tig| | does this look sane : |
| 09:22.17 | Tig| | root@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# cat all-feed.conf |
| 09:22.18 | Tig| | src/gz fso-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/updates/all |
| 09:22.18 | Tig| | src/gz fso2-all http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/all |
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| 09:24.58 | Dave | :p |
| 09:25.12 | Dave | there be bears here |
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| 09:50.39 | tunys | AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:50.47 | tunys | http://is.gd/1WgO |
| 09:50.51 | tunys | It left Canada! |
| 09:51.10 | Zorkman | now the customs are going to play with it for a few weeks :p |
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| 09:52.22 | tunys | "Sir, this device has a GPS capable of guiding a weapon of mass destruction, we're going to have to confiscate it so that we can play with it... eh?" |
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| 09:53.08 | bumbl | haha |
| 09:53.35 | tunys | Customs had better leave my FreeRunner alone or I'll force them to watch something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwVX5AMAq3Y&NR=1 |
| 09:53.48 | tunys | And no, that's not a rickroll |
| 09:53.57 | tunys | but they'll be wishing it was. |
| 09:54.51 | tunys | see? it scared marcinsoo off his IRC client. |
| 09:56.23 | tunys | pabs3 too |
| 09:56.46 | Zorkman | you've got the power! |
| 09:57.33 | tunys | Zorkman: I'm invisible! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLa5k-dTt8 |
| 09:58.49 | tunys | I also broke John Goodman you know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHHPsFbLKyY |
| 09:58.58 | Zorkman | and alsa "a naughty girl" it seems... |
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| 10:00.08 | tunys | Zorkman: but this is illegal, you know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oITR8run6ek |
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| 10:03.08 | tunys | Zorkman: in response to the killer in the park vid: <xHans> that was scary |
| 10:03.15 | tunys | that's on another chan |
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| 10:06.17 | tunys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu0fzApHG7g&feature=related |
| 10:06.31 | CM_work | Does anyone know how many FreeRunners have been sold? |
| 10:06.37 | CM_work | Or that were produced in total? |
| 10:08.39 | tunys | More than enough were produced, and the US is sold out of them |
| 10:08.50 | tunys | I live in Arizona, I had to order mine from Canada |
| 10:08.53 | tunys | which isn't so bad |
| 10:09.00 | tunys | Canadian post is pretty good |
| 10:10.57 | CM_work | I'm just trying to count the totals :) |
| 10:11.10 | CM_work | I'll get a GTA03 later, my GTA01 will do for now |
| 10:12.42 | Zorkman | why has nobody mada simple gui for setting the volume? |
| 10:13.45 | lpotter | because the mixer has a gazillion different elements |
| 10:13.49 | lpotter | there is one for qtopia |
| 10:14.05 | Zorkman | yeah i know, but for simple use on the phone a few of them should suffice |
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| 10:14.31 | Zorkman | like for setting headphone volume, speaker volume, and maybe bass boost |
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| 10:15.09 | si-m1 | anyone tested it with other headphones than the ones that comes with the gta02? |
| 10:15.34 | si-m1 | is the output quality that bad or is it the headphones? |
| 10:15.58 | Zorkman | I only have the ones provided, but on the ML someone said he tested it with nokia headphones I think |
| 10:17.51 | si-m1 | ok, the speakers and the phone-speaker sounds better so I hope it is the headphones |
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| 10:19.58 | nyu | si-m1: gta02 comes with headphones? |
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| 10:20.08 | nyu | where are mine? |
| 10:21.29 | Rakshasa | nyu: Only when ordered in 10+-packs. |
| 10:22.07 | XorA | the headphones are not great :-( |
| 10:22.33 | si-m1 | nyu: mine did, but they were terrible |
| 10:22.41 | si-m1 | (hopefully) |
| 10:23.11 | si-m1 | i don't mean headphones maybe, but those earplugthingies |
| 10:24.04 | nyu | Rakshasa: it _was_ a 10 pack |
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| 10:24.21 | nyu | shrug. sounds like someone got 10 free headphones ;-) |
| 10:24.32 | si-m1 | haha, almost feel sorry for them :) |
| 10:24.52 | Rakshasa | Yeah, sounds like someone's needed more than one =P |
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| 10:25.36 | nyu | fuck, time to rebuild wesnoth again |
| 10:25.56 | fale | to compile a program for Qtopia, is necessary the debug board? |
| 10:26.04 | nyu | note to self: never use -b when building packages with changes that affect binary-indep stuff |
| 10:26.09 | lpotter | not at all |
| 10:26.13 | nyu | *-B |
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| 10:26.26 | fale | lpotter: and to install a new version of the OS? |
| 10:26.32 | lpotter | nope |
| 10:26.48 | lpotter | just need dfu-util, mkfs.jffs2 |
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| 10:26.59 | fale | lpotter: than for what is usefull for? |
| 10:27.13 | lpotter | dtu-util is the flasher app |
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| 10:27.23 | lpotter | dfu-util |
| 10:27.33 | fale | lpotter: I mean, what the debug board is usefull to |
| 10:27.37 | fale | hi WU |
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| 10:30.10 | WindowsUninstall | hi |
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| 10:33.47 | weatherhead | fale, the debug board provides you with a JTAG port |
| 10:34.04 | weatherhead | and lets you overwrite the NOR flash |
| 10:34.27 | mjr | it's also an unpowered usb hub! |
| 10:34.29 | lpotter | i try not to use the debug board |
| 10:34.42 | opendeep | can we install tzset() API on moko? |
| 10:35.13 | fale | weatherhead: than to change/upgrade the SO in the NOR flash I need the Debug board? |
| 10:35.51 | fale | lpotter: with the release of Qtopia 4.4 you are killing me :S |
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| 10:42.02 | rep | did somebody work with the kernel inotify functionality sometime? |
| 10:42.23 | Raigedas | hello brothers, i have simple question |
| 10:42.27 | Raigedas | if i have freerunner without debug board, is it possible to screw up things by trying different operating systems so that phone becomes unbootable? |
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| 10:42.59 | rep | i am doing a little testing with inotify currenty... and i got a readable fd that only gives me 0 bytes on a read()... |
| 10:43.06 | Bill_ | Raigedas: yes.. but it's recovrable |
| 10:43.09 | AJuOnLiNE | can I run J2ME applications on the openmoko ? |
| 10:43.30 | Raigedas | is it recoverable without debug board? |
| 10:43.33 | Bill_ | yes |
| 10:43.40 | Raigedas | thank you |
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| 10:44.40 | Bill_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 10:44.47 | Bill_ | all written there |
| 10:44.50 | mjr | AJuOnLiNE, at least someone on this channel has done that on the phoneme stack, I recall. I don't know if the stuff required is neatly packaged at this point though. |
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| 10:44.54 | Raigedas | thanks |
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| 10:47.03 | AJuOnLiNE | mjr: ok. thanks :) i looked up the wiki.. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java and seriously since I do not have any clue of Java :P i cudnt get a conclusion.. |
| 10:47.12 | AJuOnLiNE | from what I cud make, its something in development and not mature yet. |
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| 11:00.20 | Raigedas | default OS in freerunner does not have movie player yet, does it? |
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| 11:04.19 | mjr | the default is very bare |
| 11:04.25 | mjr | so no |
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| 11:06.56 | CM_work | AJuOnLiNE: "something in development and not mature yet" kind of describes all of OpenMoko ;-) |
| 11:07.29 | AJuOnLiNE | CM_work: yAy! :) |
| 11:07.31 | malik1972 | some 2008.8 experts here? |
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| 11:09.31 | malik1972 | i have an older version from 08.08.08, is it sufficient to do an upgrade from there or should i go with one of the daily update images? |
| 11:11.47 | Zorkman | malik1972: seems like there is still some confusion about which feed to use (http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8 vs zecke's one) |
| 11:12.15 | CM_work | malik1972: I usually just make sure I have the stuff I want to save on the sd-card, then flash the latest image |
| 11:12.16 | Zorkman | if you have installed a 2008.8 image i would suggest you could try opkg upgrade with both those feeds (if it borkes, you can still reflash :)) |
| 11:12.30 | malik1972 | Zorkman: i guess the one from downloads is official |
| 11:12.35 | Zorkman | if you are using a 2008.08.xx-qtopia image from buildhost; then mabe btter to just reflash teh damn thing |
| 11:13.03 | Zorkman | malik1972: yeah, bot on the ML someone mentionned that zecke's feeds contained a more up-to-date versions |
| 11:13.49 | malik1972 | Zorkman: that means also "less stabel" |
| 11:14.01 | Zorkman | i didn't opkg upgraded the 2008.8-upgrade image yet, but i -test upgraded it and it looked to work |
| 11:14.17 | malik1972 | okay, will try it |
| 11:14.18 | Zorkman | malik1972: you're using a FR, and you're concerned about stability? ;-) |
| 11:14.26 | malik1972 | i have a backup of the partition |
| 11:14.41 | Zorkman | did you make one with dfu-util? |
| 11:14.50 | malik1972 | Zorkman: i mean, it shouldnt break everything i did before |
| 11:15.10 | malik1972 | Zorkman: i have a multiboot system |
| 11:15.30 | malik1972 | and also problems with different kernels |
| 11:15.32 | Zorkman | yeah, i was just joking malik1972: I'm getting tired of reflashing and configuring everything over and over again :) |
| 11:16.01 | Zorkman | I also multiboot, but my old faithfull 2007.2 stays in flash, I play with the SD card :) |
| 11:16.18 | malik1972 | Zorkman: does the battery applet work? |
| 11:16.32 | Zorkman | whichone? |
| 11:16.49 | malik1972 | the one from the taskbar |
| 11:16.50 | Zorkman | I use batmon.py and power.py |
| 11:17.09 | Zorkman | (i'll check, I'm rebooting x) |
| 11:17.23 | malik1972 | you are restarting x |
| 11:17.40 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 11:17.51 | Zorkman | it indicates correctly wether it is chargin and how much power is in it |
| 11:17.59 | Zorkman | clicking it does nothing, if that is what you mean.. |
| 11:18.16 | opendeep | How openmko support tzset()? |
| 11:18.24 | malik1972 | thats okay |
| 11:19.48 | Zorkman | i use ietlints pythong applications to check bat status |
| 11:19.54 | Zorkman | they work very nicely |
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| 11:23.32 | Richlv | this probably is asked quite often... but how close is freerunnar/openmoko to being ready for general public ? :) |
| 11:24.31 | Richlv | i am interested in a gps device, and thought that maybe i could get a freerunner to be used as a phone & gps device :) |
| 11:24.52 | viq | Richlv: I believe comments are "If you want a consumer phone, use qtopia" |
| 11:25.36 | Richlv | yeah, but last i looked, qtopia had some problems with power management etc |
| 11:26.18 | viq | I believe current OpenMoko builds don't have problems with power management because they simply don't have it :P |
| 11:26.23 | viq | Though I may be mistaken here |
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| 11:27.25 | Richlv | mhaha. not too comforting |
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| 11:34.24 | Batchy | I installed Om2008.8 on my freerunner's minisd card 3 days ago, it worked just fine yesteday, but now the kernel panics because it can't mout rootfs or the kernel image |
| 11:35.08 | mjr | Microsd. And apparently there are some sd corruption issues... |
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| 11:40.22 | Mononoke | wonders if it's safe to just run opkg upgrade |
| 11:41.14 | Dave | Depends on your distro |
| 11:41.20 | Dave | and what your repos are; but generally, yes |
| 11:41.42 | Dave | if you are running 2008.8 or fso, you need to change your repos, then it's fine |
| 11:41.52 | Dave | if you are using qtopia, don't or you'll blow yourself up |
| 11:42.05 | Dave | I belive any other distro should be fine |
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| 11:47.13 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | Mononoke: when in doubt you can always do a opkg upgrade -test |
| 11:47.30 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | if you see some very funky things that give you a bad feeling: wait till you're drunk and then opkg upgrade |
| 11:48.49 | Dave | Zorkman, bad idea |
| 11:49.05 | Dave | it works fine on qtopia, though after doing it, my phone didn't work, and I had to reflash :P |
| 11:49.15 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | oh yeah, i didn't meant for qtopia |
| 11:49.19 | Dave | but test isn't bad |
| 11:49.20 | Dave | haha :P |
| 11:49.24 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | sorry , wasn't very clear on that one :) |
| 11:49.24 | Dave | well, hey you never know ;) |
| 11:49.27 | Dave | people are stupid :D |
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| 11:50.04 | bumbl | hi edistar |
| 11:50.05 | opendeep | when runnig python application on Neo 1973, /media/card/ipkg/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:69: GtkWarning: could not open display |
| 11:50.05 | opendeep | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.07 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | hi edistar |
| 11:50.21 | ZzZzZzzzzZorkman | opendeep: first type DISPLAY=:0 |
| 11:50.21 | Dave | meeer! |
| 11:50.44 | Mononoke | ok and what to do when it stops booting ? :) |
| 11:51.26 | opendeep | I tried but it is because of gtk module, How do I install a stable gtk modulw? |
| 11:52.03 | Dave | Monoke? :o |
| 11:52.18 | Mononoke | just asking if I break up something |
| 11:52.24 | Dave | reflash |
| 11:53.20 | Zorkman | or visit a witchdoctor, I have never seen anyone of them say they couldn't fix it |
| 11:53.34 | Dave | :P |
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| 11:53.43 | Mononoke | O.o I'm just getting strange sms messages >.> |
| 11:53.56 | Dave | MAYBE SOMEBODY LIKES YOU! |
| 11:54.01 | Zorkman | :D |
| 11:57.53 | Dave | gsmbombs Sean of Openmoko |
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| 12:05.03 | Dave | kernel kernel kernel |
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| 12:16.38 | Dave | Wilkommen |
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| 12:18.12 | admiral0_work | hi |
| 12:18.39 | Dave | Greetings |
| 12:18.54 | admiral0_work | it's kinda lonely here.. |
| 12:18.55 | bumbl | g'day |
| 12:19.03 | bumbl | nah |
| 12:19.04 | nyu | Dave: wiki women? |
| 12:19.31 | nyu | gee, must be a bad time in the morning for me to read that |
| 12:20.36 | admiral0_work | lol |
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| 12:24.25 | fale | the Qtopia for openmoko is Qtopia Platform or Qtopia Phone Edition? |
| 12:25.43 | Dave | huh? |
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| 12:26.39 | fale | Dave: there are two Qtopia |
| 12:27.17 | fale | one is "Qtopia Platform" and the other one is "Qtopia Phone Edition" |
| 12:27.40 | fale | and I was wondering witch one of the two was used to create the flash for the openmoko |
| 12:27.55 | Dave | no |
| 12:28.03 | Dave | huh? |
| 12:28.07 | Dave | no clues |
| 12:28.12 | Dave | I know there is [pure] Qtopia |
| 12:28.28 | Dave | and there are some knock off distributions (like ASU, and it's qtopia-x11 friends) |
| 12:30.32 | Tig| | hmm I think I have made a mess of this, so it is reflash time... |
| 12:30.52 | Tig| | the question is do i reflash with the FSO image again or the 2008.8 one |
| 12:30.54 | fale | Dave: I was wondering because lpotter has told that there isn't the VoIP, but on the web site it says that in the Qtopia Phone Edition there is, than I wanted to understand better the whole thing |
| 12:31.02 | Dave | Tig, what a decision :p |
| 12:31.14 | fale | Tig|: what is FSO? |
| 12:31.28 | Dave | FreeSmartphone.Org |
| 12:31.35 | Tig| | to he said :) |
| 12:31.37 | Tig| | wot even |
| 12:31.43 | Dave | Tig :P |
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| 12:31.57 | Dave | bouncy bouncy |
| 12:32.18 | Tig| | the thing is I like the launcher and stuff on the ASU but prefer the keyboard and the suspend resume workage on the FSO image |
| 12:32.27 | Tig| | and the DBUSsy goodness ;) |
| 12:33.36 | Wonka | three WTFs: a) why doesn't http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/mplayer_0.0+1.0rc2-r8_armv4t.ipk have a dependency on libxv and libmp3lame? b) why are there no files in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libmp3lame_3.96.1-r4_armv4t.ipk? c) why are there no files in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libxv_1.0.3-r1_armv4t.ipk? |
| 12:33.44 | Dave | Tig, so go with raster's image? |
| 12:34.02 | Dave | it's a placeholder |
| 12:34.11 | Dave | because the drivers aren't fully developed yet |
| 12:34.11 | Tig| | hmmm |
| 12:34.15 | Dave | and because buildhost is a piece of shit |
| 12:34.23 | Dave | and because mplayer has no dependencies |
| 12:34.29 | cga`work | Dave: ! |
| 12:34.30 | Dave | Does that answer your question? |
| 12:34.33 | Dave | Cga :p |
| 12:34.46 | Tig| | Dave: that the one over at enlightenment.org perchance? |
| 12:34.59 | Wonka | Dave: ldd said it had dependencies on libXv.so and libmp3lame.so |
| 12:35.13 | Wonka | Dave: and i know i had a working mplayer once |
| 12:35.28 | Dave | mine works fine |
| 12:35.36 | Dave | In fact, I am presently watching a video stream on it :) |
| 12:35.48 | Dave | Tig, probably |
| 12:35.51 | Wonka | yeah... this freshly installed one does not. |
| 12:35.54 | Dave | he posted a link here the other day |
| 12:36.07 | Dave | though he's developing his own image shortly |
| 12:36.20 | Dave | after dealing with the same aggravation we have to deal with on a daily basis |
| 12:36.27 | Dave | he's like, fuck these images, I'm going to make my own! |
| 12:36.29 | Dave | :D |
| 12:36.50 | Dave | Tig: yeah, http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 12:36.50 | Shlee | I'm still waiting for SCUMMVM OM |
| 12:36.52 | Tig| | woot :) can you remember the link? |
| 12:36.54 | Tig| | aja |
| 12:36.57 | Dave | shlee, it's there. |
| 12:36.58 | Tig| | aha even thanks :) |
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| 12:37.20 | Tig| | ta will give it a whirl :) |
| 12:37.27 | Dave | ScummVM 0.9.1 (Jul 7 2008 20:20:58) |
| 12:37.33 | ecraven | scummvm works ok, you just need a way to type escape and f5 |
| 12:37.37 | Dave | that's what I'm using, anyway. |
| 12:37.39 | ecraven | and right mouse click for some games |
| 12:37.40 | Dave | Ecraven, yes! :D |
| 12:37.48 | Dave | high-fives ecraven |
| 12:39.03 | ecraven | Dave: do you have sound? |
| 12:39.13 | ecraven | i haven't yet figured out how to get sound working with scummvm |
| 12:39.14 | Dave | YES |
| 12:39.22 | Dave | I have sound and music :) |
| 12:39.28 | ecraven | did you set the audio tab to alsa? |
| 12:39.31 | ecraven | or leave it on default? |
| 12:39.38 | Dave | default |
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| 12:39.42 | Dave | but I believe asla worked for me too |
| 12:39.48 | Dave | as I overrode it for a game |
| 12:40.01 | Dave | ecraven are you talking about midi playback or voice files for games? |
| 12:40.22 | Dave | sound in general works for me in scummvm now though |
| 12:40.42 | Dave | but for some games, e.g. sam 'n max, I left out the voice data file because it's enormous. |
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| 12:41.04 | Dave | but the cheesey music still plays fine :D |
| 12:41.19 | Dave | and works fine for the monkey island games, dott, etc |
| 12:41.20 | ecraven | i'll play with it some more later ;) |
| 12:41.24 | Dave | :D |
| 12:41.31 | Dave | Figure out a way to save games, and we'll be good! |
| 12:41.38 | Dave | also being able to send Period would be nice too -_- |
| 12:41.40 | Dave | or hit Esc |
| 12:42.24 | Mononoke | hmm what does red led light mean ? >.> |
| 12:42.30 | Dave | it's charging, probably |
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| 12:42.45 | ecraven | Dave: i use matchbox-keyboard for everything except f5 ;) i'll probably add a mapping for f5 soon too |
| 12:42.53 | Dave | Don't worry, if and when your freerunner explodes, you will know it! :D |
| 12:43.00 | Dave | ecraven! |
| 12:43.14 | Dave | Ecraven, but how to send keystrokes while in a full screen game app |
| 12:43.18 | Dave | it's umpossible. |
| 12:43.32 | Dave | I believe it was raster that discussed how it's a semantic clash |
| 12:44.52 | ecraven | Dave: i can still start matchbox-stroke from the app bar, even if scummvm is in fullscreen |
| 12:45.09 | Dave | wtf? |
| 12:45.12 | Dave | how? |
| 12:45.32 | Dave | I can use matchbox-keyboard while in full-screen even if I try running scummvm in a window |
| 12:45.39 | raster | don't worry |
| 12:45.48 | raster | soon i'll get to actually supporting lots of apps properly |
| 12:45.50 | Dave | Raster, lead us to the path of salvation! |
| 12:45.58 | Fradeve | just a quick question: how can I delete numbers from 2008.8 when inserting the PIN? Sometimes i'm wrong in writing but I don't see any button to delete on the keyboard.... |
| 12:46.00 | raster | and working ona proper "hand-top environment" |
| 12:46.05 | Dave | We BELIEVE in you! |
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| 12:46.06 | Dave | :) |
| 12:46.13 | raster | as opposed to runing circules around fiddly little changes all the time |
| 12:46.13 | raster | :) |
| 12:46.19 | raster | next week |
| 12:46.20 | Dave | yeah |
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| 12:46.21 | Dave | sweet |
| 12:46.24 | Dave | Go Raster Go! |
| 12:46.28 | Dave | does a weak cheer |
| 12:46.31 | raster | thsi week i'm still on doing whatever om wants |
| 12:46.39 | Dave | Ah, okay :) |
| 12:47.00 | Dave | haha, here's a funny though |
| 12:47.01 | Dave | thought |
| 12:47.17 | Dave | If you were to end up rolling your own distro, Raster, what would it be called? ;) |
| 12:47.44 | admiral0_work | RasterLinux? |
| 12:47.48 | admiral0_work | :D |
| 12:49.03 | admiral0_work | i want to learn python-efl, but i can't find any tut on the web... |
| 12:49.13 | admiral0_work | do you know any? |
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| 12:50.11 | raster | Dave: dunno.. e? |
| 12:50.11 | raster | :) |
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| 12:50.29 | raster | i assume u mean distro for OM/FR? |
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| 12:51.02 | Dave | right |
| 12:51.13 | Dave | Just a thought :) |
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| 12:52.15 | raster | havent thought about it much |
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| 12:53.01 | Dave | Maybe I will >:) |
| 12:53.12 | Dave | Some of us want raster to take over the openmoko world :) |
| 12:53.27 | raster | ahahah |
| 12:53.28 | Dave | With all his logic, configurability, and infinite wisdom :) |
| 12:53.35 | Dave | *wink-wink* |
| 12:53.52 | nyu | admiral0_work: I just read python-efi and got me really scared |
| 12:53.53 | raster | i dont want to take over |
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| 12:53.57 | raster | i just want to make something good |
| 12:54.03 | raster | something i know *I* can use |
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| 12:54.18 | raster | and somehting i know the rest of the linux nerds out there who bought an FR can use |
| 12:54.25 | Dave | :) |
| 12:54.28 | admiral0_work | raster: it's the same intention i have |
| 12:54.29 | raster | i wont be solving "making calls" any time soon |
| 12:54.34 | Dave | We thank you for your time and methodical approach. |
| 12:54.38 | raster | but i can solve what i knowi am good at and i can do |
| 12:54.47 | Dave | Good enough for me, raster :) |
| 12:54.48 | raster | and that is desktop/environment and base usability stuff |
| 12:54.58 | Dave | You're a god among kings. |
| 12:55.12 | raster | i am more than happy for the rest of peoelp to work on the other bits (suspend/resume, other drivers and other issues) |
| 12:55.17 | raster | and we all will meet in the middle |
| 12:55.41 | Dave | Yep, that's what I figured. Sounds good :) |
| 12:56.06 | raster | keyboard is pushing it |
| 12:56.11 | raster | but i consider that a core usability feature |
| 12:56.13 | Dave | Hooray! |
| 12:56.16 | Dave | Indeed! |
| 12:56.22 | raster | but thats about as far as i plan to go |
| 12:56.25 | raster | that plus app launching |
| 12:56.32 | raster | basic desktop/wallpaper "today" screen |
| 12:56.41 | raster | "panel" etc. etc. |
| 12:56.49 | raster | all the stuff that surrounds application windows |
| 12:56.56 | Dave | That would be nice. |
| 12:56.57 | raster | and lets u sanely work with them |
| 12:57.07 | Dave | Master Raster's Master Plan |
| 12:57.08 | raster | eventually i imagine i will begin to inch into calls and core functions |
| 12:57.11 | matholio_ | does anyone fancy compiling nilfs for debian, I tried but I'm out of my depth. |
| 12:57.14 | raster | as FSO will have a dbus api |
| 12:57.20 | Dave | raster, whoa now, think about your sanity ;) |
| 12:57.22 | raster | i can imagine dialler being a module for e |
| 12:57.31 | raster | as then its always there and instantly available |
| 12:57.45 | raster | that kind of eventually means sms + addressbook will get sucked in too |
| 12:57.56 | raster | but frankly that is alreayd very far dnow the road |
| 12:58.02 | raster | so let fso perfect the back-end |
| 12:58.11 | raster | get the nuts and bolts perfect |
| 12:59.09 | ecraven | is usim backwards compatible to sim? or will it not work at all? |
| 12:59.38 | matholio_ | I have a usim, it kinda works. |
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| 12:59.58 | yang | Has a VOIP software for OM been build ? |
| 12:59.59 | Wonka | my "UMTS/GSM SIM" does not work |
| 13:00.10 | yang | VOIP client |
| 13:00.29 | raster | hmm chances are i need to have a wifi config gui and maybe stuff for gprs/gsm data session config too |
| 13:00.37 | raster | bah |
| 13:00.39 | raster | so much to do |
| 13:00.45 | raster | ojk |
| 13:00.52 | raster | back to my connman gadget/module front end |
| 13:00.58 | raster | so i can use it myself on my laptop |
| 13:01.02 | raster | AND use it on the FR |
| 13:01.03 | raster | :) |
| 13:01.34 | Dave | cool |
| 13:01.40 | Dave | get crackin' :] |
| 13:01.45 | raster | on it |
| 13:01.49 | Dave | I have to get back to my python apps |
| 13:01.49 | raster | gagdet working |
| 13:01.52 | Dave | :| |
| 13:01.53 | raster | popup working |
| 13:01.59 | Dave | I need to learn this api |
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| 13:04.49 | zedstar | speedevil: ping |
| 13:05.03 | Dave | Don't wake the evil! |
| 13:05.09 | zedstar | grins |
| 13:05.32 | Dave | :o |
| 13:05.35 | Dave | evil!!! |
| 13:06.00 | admiral0_work | lol |
| 13:06.16 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: zomg, Net2.0!?!?! |
| 13:06.27 | nuclear_eclipse | what?! |
| 13:06.31 | Dave | :DDDD |
| 13:06.33 | nuclear_eclipse | where?! |
| 13:06.46 | Dave | IT MAY BE COMING! |
| 13:06.49 | Wonka | back to my mplayer problem: who can i kick to get libxv and libmp3lame ipks with actual content being built on buildhost? |
| 13:07.04 | nuclear_eclipse | runs around screaming in excitement! |
| 13:07.04 | Dave | Wonka, get them from celtune? |
| 13:07.07 | Dave | stop whining? |
| 13:07.13 | Dave | nuclear_eclipse: THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING! |
| 13:07.16 | Wonka | wtf is celtune? |
| 13:07.24 | nuclear_eclipse | it's celtune ;) |
| 13:07.30 | Zorkman | Wonka: a repository |
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| 13:08.10 | admiral0_work | Wonka: google it. you'll find it easily ;) |
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| 13:08.33 | Zorkman | Wonka: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ |
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| 13:11.27 | Proton23 | Hi there! What is the link for the daily images? |
| 13:12.09 | Dave | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ ? |
| 13:12.15 | bumbl | Proton23: google? om wiki? |
| 13:12.20 | Dave | also check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images |
| 13:12.30 | bumbl | what distro? |
| 13:12.41 | Proton23 | Dave: Thanks a lot |
| 13:12.42 | Proton23 | :) |
| 13:12.47 | Dave | Sure :) |
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| 13:14.04 | Proton23 | Another one: Is QEMU also able to emulate the FR or only the neo1973? |
| 13:14.29 | Zorkman | you have change some stuff and then it's able to emulate gta02 |
| 13:14.49 | Proton23 | Zorkman: What stuff? :) |
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| 13:16.07 | Zorkman | Proton23: don't know, only emulated gta01 (long time ago) |
| 13:16.20 | Zorkman | but i once read a blog post that told what you had to do, maybe the wiki can help |
| 13:16.50 | mjr | AFAIK the difference mostly is the setup of the emulated flash... |
| 13:16.59 | mjr | it's not like it emulates the exact hardware anyway |
| 13:17.35 | Proton23 | nevermind |
| 13:17.50 | Proton23 | I will try it with this one |
| 13:17.55 | Proton23 | Thanks |
| 13:17.56 | Proton23 | :) |
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| 13:26.33 | Wonka | btw, http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/Packages does not contain "Package: mplayer". |
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| 13:30.41 | hipitihop | waves good evening to all |
| 13:31.08 | AntonTakk | i think i need to go back to fso ms2 |
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| 13:31.40 | AntonTakk | i like the additions found in unstable, but not being able to answer incoming calls is kinda anoying :) |
| 13:33.26 | Zorkman | which additions are there in unstable? |
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| 13:33.44 | AntonTakk | nitification profiles is the big one |
| 13:33.45 | Zorkman | and I think i need to go FORWARD to fso ms3 :p |
| 13:33.50 | AntonTakk | notification* |
| 13:34.00 | AntonTakk | ms3 isn't available yet |
| 13:34.24 | AntonTakk | but, like i said, when a call comes in i can't answer it |
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| 13:34.48 | Zorkman | (yeah, thats why I said i needed to go _forward_ :), I can't wait to test it) |
| 13:35.02 | hipitihop | Zorkman, tell me how to teliport into the future |
| 13:35.05 | AntonTakk | ah, gotcha |
| 13:36.00 | Zorkman | hipitihop: my FR has a feature to do that, but the glamo is preventing me to go any further than the next split second :p |
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| 13:36.40 | hipitihop | zorkman, bugger the the old broken glamo chip hey |
| 13:36.46 | AntonTakk | working on a contact manager, seems I should be working on a call handeling app |
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| 13:37.30 | hipitihop | anyone running up to the minute fso-testing here ? |
| 13:37.49 | AntonTakk | no, fso-unstable thou :) |
| 13:38.02 | AntonTakk | you using testing? |
| 13:38.32 | bumbl | un |
| 13:38.37 | bumbl | stable here too |
| 13:38.39 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: why can't you answer incoming calls ? |
| 13:38.44 | Ainulindale | No ringtone ? |
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| 13:39.03 | AntonTakk | Ainulindale: never switches to the ui layout with the answer and reject buttons |
| 13:39.17 | Ainulindale | that's weird |
| 13:39.21 | Ainulindale | It does here |
| 13:39.30 | AntonTakk | what zhone version? |
| 13:39.32 | bumbl | I take my freeruner o |
| 13:39.39 | bumbl | n a bikeride |
| 13:40.11 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: I don't know at all :-) |
| 13:40.17 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: home made probably |
| 13:40.42 | AntonTakk | opkg list_installed zhone |
| 13:40.56 | AntonTakk | i have: zhone - 0.0.0+gitr7+3cceb0740ac17683ae01df74214151a871a25536-r8 |
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| 13:42.26 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: I modified it |
| 13:42.37 | Ainulindale | (First in order to develop the dtmf patch) |
| 13:42.38 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, sorry, yes fso-testing with all updates/upgrade .. but for days now can't even register sim to call out or receive |
| 13:42.53 | Ainulindale | Then in order to test some things |
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| 13:42.57 | Ainulindale | So my version isn't relevant |
| 13:43.01 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 13:43.11 | Ainulindale | Though if it vibrates |
| 13:43.17 | Ainulindale | Taping the dialer button should display the screen |
| 13:43.24 | Ainulindale | Did you try that ? |
| 13:43.24 | AntonTakk | it doesn't |
| 13:43.32 | Ainulindale | That's funny :-) |
| 13:43.40 | Ainulindale | Did you open a ticket ? |
| 13:43.41 | AntonTakk | displays the dialing screen with the number that's calling (i believe) |
| 13:43.57 | AntonTakk | no, i'm using unstable |
| 13:44.26 | AntonTakk | figured someone was testing these things before releasing |
| 13:45.10 | hipitihop | my fso-testing has zhone - 0.0.0+gitr69e029bd85a1caaad4e5d61087836a8e1ea20dcc-r8 |
| 13:45.19 | Ainulindale | Just had a look at git |
| 13:45.24 | Ainulindale | It should display the call window |
| 13:45.47 | hipitihop | is there an alternative to zhone on fso-testing ? |
| 13:45.56 | AntonTakk | well, phone was rebooted 30 mins ago, let me try |
| 13:46.36 | AntonTakk | nope |
| 13:46.49 | AntonTakk | and the damp profiles don't even work |
| 13:46.51 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 13:47.04 | AntonTakk | silent still plays the ringtone |
| 13:47.08 | Shlee | Isn't zhone a testing tool? |
| 13:47.21 | AntonTakk | Shlee: more of a demo app |
| 13:47.43 | AntonTakk | Shlee: supposed to demo fso's features/etc |
| 13:47.55 | Shlee | I'll have my FR in 7 days.. hopefully FSO MS3 will be out shortly after |
| 13:48.05 | AntonTakk | that would be nice |
| 13:48.17 | AntonTakk | i have been wanting sms pdu mode like a fiend |
| 13:48.26 | Shlee | True. |
| 13:48.30 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: the playing part is normal |
| 13:48.41 | Ainulindale | AntonTakk: opreferencesd isn't settled yet |
| 13:48.48 | AntonTakk | Ainulindale: ah |
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| 13:50.45 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, is there a zhone log I can look at to see what is going wrong ? zhone starts, does not register and if I tap the phone button nothing happens |
| 13:51.02 | ieatlint | /tmp/zhone.log |
| 13:51.11 | AntonTakk | hipitihop: i usually have to open the dialer 1 to 3 times before it registers |
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| 13:52.02 | hipitihop | AntonTakk, yes I found that previously but now the dialer fails to open at all (few days now) so one of the fs-testing updates has changed/broken something |
| 13:52.15 | AntonTakk | oh, nice |
| 13:52.50 | hipitihop | that's why I'm hoping for a zhone log file or something to see what it may be whining about |
| 13:53.31 | bumbl | you might try an actual image, they include a button for profile settings in zhone which dissapears after a opkg upgrade |
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| 13:55.10 | slaxxin | http://us.mg2.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.rand=e83nud4n06c2d |
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| 13:55.58 | slaxxin | mybad i thought it was an sdcard |
| 13:57.10 | AntonTakk | perhaps i should convert the fso ringtone to an mp3 and use qtopia :-\ |
| 13:57.50 | AntonTakk | qtopia's ringtone is anoying (imho) |
| 14:00.10 | hipitihop | so taking into consideration latest 2008.08 (20080826), latest qtopia 4.3.2 just released and perhaps others I have not hear of yet, what is considered the most stable/functional at this point ? |
| 14:00.32 | hipitihop | knows this is a frequent question on the channel and the list |
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| 14:05.45 | MrShleee | I think almost everyone is confused but... working on 2008.08 till 2008.09 is the current plan for the primary supported OS? |
| 14:06.01 | johnsu01 | sigh, my battery died overnight while the phone was on and plugged into the wall charger, and indicating that it was charging... |
| 14:06.03 | MrShleee | FSO is a sideproject and will be included in ASU? or replace it? |
| 14:08.57 | Ainulindale | MrShleee: this is not related |
| 14:09.25 | Ainulindale | MrShleee: FSO, and if we want to be more correct, frameworkd, is supposed to be the "future" framework for the phone (and other phones) |
| 14:09.42 | hipitihop | Ainulindale, that was my understanding |
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| 14:11.05 | hipitihop | there was someone here the other day that mentioned their own distro and even had a placeholder page with comming soon, for the life of me I can't rember the link |
| 14:12.31 | hipitihop | would someone who has experience fso-testing care to comapare to latest 2008.8 whic if I'm following correctly is referred to as ASU |
| 14:13.14 | paroneayea | so, how is the whole "resuming on phone activity" thing supposed to work, anyway? |
| 14:13.26 | paroneayea | is there like some minor subprocess that's kept awake by the kernel? |
| 14:14.02 | Wonka | it's, afaik, more like the gsm chipset will wake up the processor on activity |
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| 14:14.28 | paroneayea | aha, so the same principles can't be applied to say, alarm at 8:00AM |
| 14:14.43 | paroneayea | hm |
| 14:14.47 | MrShleee | Would you recommend installing the 2008.08 builds and upgrading.. or flash FSO MS3 once released? |
| 14:14.53 | Wonka | that depends on the type and connection of the clock |
| 14:15.30 | paroneayea | Wonka: hm, interesting. Is it possible with current neo hardware, theoretically? |
| 14:15.40 | Wonka | no idea |
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| 14:16.59 | pjz | paroneayea: yes it's possible, you set an alarm on the realtime clock |
| 14:17.08 | pjz | paroneayea: which then generates an interrupt |
| 14:17.14 | pjz | paroneayea: which then wakes up the cpu |
| 14:17.20 | paroneayea | pjz: neat! |
| 14:17.39 | pjz | has done this before on a linux PDA |
| 14:17.47 | hipitihop | so what phone server and dialer the latest 2008.8 use for gsm ? |
| 14:17.56 | paroneayea | pjz: .... the Zaurus? ;) |
| 14:18.01 | cjb | paroneayea: (pretty much every PC can do this.) |
| 14:18.05 | pjz | paroneayea: nope. the Agenda VR3 |
| 14:18.16 | cjb | rtcdate(1) is a common way to set RTC alarms on Linux |
| 14:18.27 | paroneayea | cjb: cool, thanks. Noted. |
| 14:18.28 | pjz | hipitihop: I think they're still using the qtopia-ported-to-x11 stuff |
| 14:19.22 | pjz | we hacked 'at' so it had a flag you could add to make it schedule a rtc alarm along with the 'normal' scheduling |
| 14:19.30 | hipitihop | pjz, but considering I can't call or receive on fso-testing at the mo, it will hardly be going backwards |
| 14:19.32 | pjz | er, at Agenda, we did etc |
| 14:19.58 | pjz | hipitihop: if you want stable-and-usable, fso is the wrong tree to be barking up |
| 14:20.18 | paroneayea | hehe |
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| 14:20.28 | paroneayea | I just started playing with the d-bus interface this morning |
| 14:20.30 | paroneayea | it's so awesome |
| 14:20.34 | pjz | nods |
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| 14:20.46 | pjz | paroneayea: yeah, it's pretty sweet, you can see why mickeyl likes it so much |
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| 14:21.02 | paroneayea | pjz: who's mickeyl? |
| 14:21.25 | paroneayea | (forgive my ignorance) |
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| 14:22.00 | pjz | paroneayea: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer (maybe misspelled) is one of the main fso devs |
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| 14:22.43 | paroneayea | ah, cool |
| 14:22.47 | hipitihop | pjz, I'm a developer but not yet ready to do anything on the fr as far as development but happy to experiment and teak stuff, would like something that can be used as a phone with sms, all else happy to wait and play |
| 14:22.57 | _-Damien-_ | hi there... has anyone experience with U-Boot on Freerunner? |
| 14:23.17 | _-Damien-_ | is it possible that I can't access the external SDRAM? |
| 14:23.24 | _-Damien-_ | from uboot? |
| 14:24.20 | _-Damien-_ | in the earlier device gta01bv4 it was possible though |
| 14:24.26 | isprins | http://www.cellular.co.za/accessories/encryption/cryptophone_gsm_phone_encryption.htm intersting... |
| 14:24.29 | paroneayea | I started playing with the zhone source this morning. pretty cool that it accomplishes so much, esp in so little code... but it's not really a group of apps, it's one big app. is there any public effort of people trying to make individual apps for dialing/messaging/ etc |
| 14:24.30 | paroneayea | ? |
| 14:24.44 | Ainulindale | paroneayea: for frameworkd ? |
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| 14:25.48 | paroneayea | Ainulindale: I think so |
| 14:26.02 | Ainulindale | SHR is going that way |
| 14:26.11 | Ainulindale | We still need people to do this and that |
| 14:26.26 | Ainulindale | Especially people to end that @#:! gtk dialer and start a qt one |
| 14:26.43 | paroneayea | lol |
| 14:26.55 | Ainulindale | paroneayea: we're porting the 2007.2 dialer to FSO in fact |
| 14:27.07 | paroneayea | Ainulindale: sweet! |
| 14:27.10 | Ainulindale | Doing that we needed to do a very heavy rework |
| 14:27.36 | Ainulindale | And now we are at a state of the development where someone could easily implement any kind of "dialer" library on top of FSO |
| 14:27.38 | paroneayea | I thought the OM team mostly wanted to stay away from QT for new development because of the GPL libraries, though? |
| 14:27.49 | Ainulindale | SHR is a community driven project |
| 14:27.51 | paroneayea | yeah, that seems pretty clear |
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| 14:30.08 | isprins | does anyone have opinions on adding a secure voice mode to Noe Freerunner ? maybe Diffie Helmann and RSA keys, or perhaps twofish? |
| 14:30.35 | Zorkman | isprins: to use over GSM network? |
| 14:30.36 | cjb | isprins: is it possible? |
| 14:30.51 | cjb | the voice data comes/goes over the GSM module, not the CPU |
| 14:30.54 | Zorkman | isprins: there are obstacles to overcome: filtering from the provider |
| 14:30.56 | cjb | you don't have access to the GSM firmware |
| 14:31.19 | Zorkman | cjb: isn't is possible to feed the GSM with custom audio? |
| 14:31.24 | isprins | cbj: it is possible : http://www.cellular.co.za/accessories/encryption/cryptophone_gsm_phone_encryption.htm |
| 14:31.30 | cjb | I guess it depends whether the modem has a direct link to the speakers and the mic or one that goes through the CPU |
| 14:31.38 | Zorkman | cjb: I thought it would be possible to for example create a custom answering machine |
| 14:31.53 | cjb | isprins: um, I know it's possible on other phones. I'm asking whether it's possible on this one. |
| 14:32.25 | Zorkman | I think it is possible, but that the main obstacle is the filtering of the GSM operators... |
| 14:32.44 | MrShleee | I cannot wait to finish the rickroll application |
| 14:32.48 | isprins | zorkman: what kind of filtering ? |
| 14:32.49 | cjb | Zorkman: my impression is that it's not possible to feed custom audio |
| 14:33.00 | Zorkman | some filter out as much as possible that does not resemble "human voice" |
| 14:33.00 | cjb | of course, you could do it over wifi |
| 14:33.06 | cjb | but I guess encrypted voice over wifi is not new |
| 14:33.15 | Zorkman | there has been extensive talk about this on the mailiglist isprins |
| 14:33.22 | cjb | Zorkman: that just means you have a smaller keyspace to operate in :) |
| 14:33.48 | isprins | zorkman: interesting |
| 14:34.05 | Zorkman | not sure, in my opinion it will not be trivial (but I also think that feeding the GSM with audio is possible, so I might be talking shit :)) |
| 14:35.08 | phrozen77 | guys, is there any way to know of which material exactly the freerunner cover is made? |
| 14:35.27 | isprins | i have seen plug in encryption modules for gsm phones |
| 14:35.42 | Zorkman | isprins: you could contact these guys: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/moksec/ |
| 14:35.55 | feitingen | phrozen77: take it apart and look for a recycling arrow icon and a number |
| 14:35.59 | Zorkman | phrozen77: contact openmoko |
| 14:36.03 | isprins | zorkman: thanks for the url |
| 14:36.23 | phrozen77 | feitingen, that'd help me to get the exact plastic used? |
| 14:36.30 | Zorkman | np isprins; last I hear from them is that they were looking for people who are interested in helpin |
| 14:36.32 | Zorkman | *g |
| 14:36.43 | phrozen77 | feitingen, theres no such symbol |
| 14:36.45 | feitingen | phrozen77: yes, the number will tell you, i think pcb is 9 or something |
| 14:36.58 | feitingen | there should be :( |
| 14:37.00 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 14:37.04 | phrozen77 | i need to know it for the case |
| 14:37.23 | Zorkman | i like the rubberish finnish (too bad i covered it up with a protector :)) |
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| 14:37.44 | feitingen | Zorkman: yeah, its awesome |
| 14:37.45 | isprins | speaking about covers... a cover made of TiAl4v or 316SS should be nice |
| 14:37.57 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, i like that finish too :) |
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| 14:38.42 | Zorkman | isprins: wouldn't 316SS pose some problems because it blocks some radiation (wifi, gps, gsm...) |
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| 14:38.59 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, do you by chance know the mail-address for om= |
| 14:39.00 | phrozen77 | = |
| 14:39.02 | phrozen77 | meh |
| 14:39.03 | phrozen77 | ? |
| 14:39.11 | Zorkman | ?? |
| 14:39.19 | isprins | zorkman: that is a problem, must use a external antenna perhaps |
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| 14:39.25 | hipitihop | this sounds like a noob question, just downloaded latest dfu-util to flash latest 2008.8 but get error "./dfu-util: ./dfu-util: cannot execute binary file" pointers ? |
| 14:39.51 | isprins | the cover of my nokia is stainless steeel |
| 14:40.02 | phrozen77 | isprins, that doesnt exactly help me ;) |
| 14:40.18 | cjb | hipitihop: do you have a 64-bit machine? what Linux is it running? |
| 14:40.28 | cjb | hipitihop: looks like the binary doesn't match your architecture somehow. |
| 14:40.28 | hipitihop | 32bit ubuntu |
| 14:40.59 | haduong | hipithob: Get it from the wiki page, not directly in the download directory |
| 14:41.07 | hipitihop | just donwloaded it from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ |
| 14:41.35 | isprins | phrozen77: i know, it is possible that it is ABS ? |
| 14:41.41 | cjb | hipitihop: x86? |
| 14:41.46 | phrozen77 | maybe, but i need to know it exactly |
| 14:41.46 | cjb | I dunno, then |
| 14:41.53 | cjb | maybe a corrupted download |
| 14:42.15 | haduong | Probably not corrupted, I had the same error ! |
| 14:42.20 | Zorkman | phrozen77: i think only the OM people can give you this information, I haven't rtead it anywhere |
| 14:42.24 | hipitihop | has there been any change to it lately ? I have a previous of 20080804 |
| 14:42.35 | hipitihop | cjb yes |
| 14:42.36 | haduong | Get it from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util |
| 14:42.48 | haduong | it's 32 bits |
| 14:43.04 | haduong | And file a bug in the trac please |
| 14:43.17 | feitingen | haduong: but the topic says dont use buildhost.openmoko.org |
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| 14:44.23 | haduong | Nevertheless. |
| 14:44.37 | phrozen77 | Zorkman, mail sent |
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| 14:44.54 | haduong | Or you recompile from source http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 14:46.17 | hipitihop | haduong, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/dfu-util works fine thanks. Sorry have you link to trac ? |
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| 14:47.22 | haduong | hipitihop: I am not surprised it works, I had exactly the same bug as you. Trac is : http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ |
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| 14:57.34 | _-Damien-_ | hm, has anyone ever tried to write and read beyond 0x34000000 from within u-boot on a gta02 platform??? |
| 14:57.35 | hipitihop | haduong, fyi, ticket added |
| 14:57.47 | haduong | thx |
| 14:58.04 | _-Damien-_ | the external sdram seems not to be accessible |
| 14:58.39 | hipitihop | are the feeds correct for update/upgrade in that image ? |
| 14:59.58 | hipitihop | waves goodnight to all, time for sleep |
| 15:00.05 | haduong | hip: updage/upgrade worked fine so far with the 2008.08.26 |
| 15:00.27 | hipitihop | haduong, thanx |
| 15:01.04 | hipitihop_zzz | boots latest 2008.8 |
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| 15:09.52 | phrozen77 | hm |
| 15:10.03 | phrozen77 | qtopia doesnt resume after suspend when called - normal? |
| 15:11.46 | paroneayea | phrozen77: normal as in it doesn't seem to be implemented yet ;) |
| 15:12.00 | phrozen77 | :O |
| 15:12.58 | paroneayea | I've heard somebody claim they have that working on some image somewhere... I'm sure its coming sometime in The Future (TM) |
| 15:13.08 | phrozen77 | somebody should have told me that! this is an OUTRAGE! |
| 15:13.11 | phrozen77 | :P |
| 15:13.25 | haduong | Sue them all !!! |
| 15:13.34 | paroneayea | and let god sort it out! |
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| 15:15.56 | Dave | What's new, kids? |
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| 15:18.32 | Mononoke | when moko is plugged into computer or charger it keeps saying charging (now for 3rd hour). does it ever change or I can just unplug after time I think it had enough ? |
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| 15:19.32 | isprins | does anyone know what kind of specs the GTA03 will have ? |
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| 15:20.15 | paroneayea | isprins: nope, but here's some free speculation for you: |
| 15:20.16 | CVirus | isprins: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions |
| 15:20.38 | phrozen77 | paroneayea, haduong - i was just kidding, hope that's been obvious |
| 15:21.10 | paroneayea | isprins: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555|a729555 |
| 15:21.16 | johnsu01 | When I boot from the sd card, what device does the internal flash show up as? |
| 15:21.20 | paroneayea | phrozen77: it was obvious, don't worry :) |
| 15:21.32 | phrozen77 | you never know so.... |
| 15:21.33 | phrozen77 | ;) |
| 15:22.51 | Dave | mononoke, you can unplug it when it's full |
| 15:23.05 | Dave | use one of the many power apps to figure out when that is actually :) |
| 15:25.10 | johnsu01 | hm, I guess it's mtdblock0-6? |
| 15:25.58 | Infoport | hello! has anyone use mokostat successfully? |
| 15:26.34 | Infoport | Dave any specific power apps to recommend? |
| 15:26.41 | Mononoke | hehe cannot play wma, what a good news. finaly something forcing me to recode |
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| 15:27.28 | isprins | http://diydrones.com/ |
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| 15:29.00 | Dave | Infoport! |
| 15:29.02 | Dave | Yes, two |
| 15:29.22 | Dave | batmon, by lint and battery by a group of crazy germans |
| 15:29.29 | isprins | Noe should be usable in a drone, since it already has accelerometers |
| 15:29.35 | isprins | neo* |
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| 15:32.14 | Infoport | Dave where can you find those battery apps? searching the wiki didn't yield a hit |
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| 15:35.43 | Dave | yep |
| 15:35.48 | Dave | one sec |
| 15:36.13 | Dave | here's lint's crappy batmon appliation |
| 15:36.16 | Dave | http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/projects/power.py |
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| 15:36.56 | ieatlint | you know i ported that to c, which used about half as much memory? |
| 15:37.08 | paroneayea | Dave: and an excellent domain name too! |
| 15:37.20 | Dave | nah |
| 15:37.28 | Dave | it's inTARweb |
| 15:37.28 | b0ib0t | Hi |
| 15:37.29 | Dave | :\ |
| 15:37.32 | Infoport | hey, I just googled and found something similarly named on Tucows (who now is not only Windoze) |
| 15:37.34 | Dave | Hello Mr. Bot |
| 15:37.43 | b0ib0t | Just bought a FreeRunner, cant wait for it to get here! =D |
| 15:37.50 | Dave | info the nicer looking one is available at freeyourphone.de |
| 15:38.08 | Infoport | I wonder if this is the same BatMon http://www.tucows.com/preview/215816 |
| 15:38.12 | ieatlint | yeah, i saw screen caps of it |
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| 15:38.19 | ieatlint | a lot nicer looking :) |
| 15:38.27 | Dave | hah, indeed! :D |
| 15:38.28 | paroneayea | damnit |
| 15:38.32 | Dave | lint, you want it? |
| 15:38.35 | b0ib0t | I had a Q about the audio... For headphones, will I get stereo sound? |
| 15:38.39 | paroneayea | freerunner |
| 15:38.42 | paroneayea | sooooo temptinggggg |
| 15:38.52 | paroneayea | but! I will resist till gta03 |
| 15:38.58 | Dave | okay |
| 15:39.05 | Dave | for now you can continue to troll in here. :) |
| 15:39.07 | ieatlint | Infoport, no, that was even "published" in 2001 :) |
| 15:39.14 | paroneayea | ;) |
| 15:39.19 | b0ib0t | Does freerunner do stereo sound for headphones? |
| 15:39.42 | ieatlint | b0ib0t, yes |
| 15:39.51 | ieatlint | well, it supports it, in theory :P |
| 15:40.26 | Infoport | ieatlint oops, I missed the year digit. I guess published last year or a few days from now would both have been odd too |
| 15:40.33 | Dave | yeah it's stereo |
| 15:40.42 | b0ib0t | sweet |
| 15:40.47 | Dave | Infoport, what are you inquiring about now? |
| 15:40.49 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 15:40.50 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 15:40.54 | Dave | apt shush |
| 15:40.54 | apt | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 15:40.58 | Dave | pets apt |
| 15:41.02 | b0ib0t | i was hoping to use it some for listning to tunes at work |
| 15:41.02 | Dave | good bot :) |
| 15:41.21 | Dave | boibot, I have it hooked up to a stereo system, it's fine :) |
| 15:41.29 | ieatlint | apt, how much? |
| 15:41.30 | apt | how much is, like, the euro |
| 15:41.36 | b0ib0t | i have a everex cloudbook, and i was using that, but damned people kept shooting the screen with foam darts D= |
| 15:41.44 | Dave | haha |
| 15:41.47 | Dave | silly people |
| 15:42.40 | ieatlint | get back at them |
| 15:42.43 | Dave | lint, did you eat breakfast yet? |
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| 15:42.51 | Dave | lint, potato gun? :P |
| 15:42.58 | Dave | retaliatory strike! |
| 15:42.59 | ieatlint | if they use vga monitors, go look up the specs and cut one of rgb pins on the cable |
| 15:43.00 | Infoport | Dave just comparing the weird executable on Tucows to ieatlint's Python script. I don't really like Tucows or closed executables, so I'm just gonna say Dog! and forget Tucows again |
| 15:43.03 | ieatlint | so everything is tinted |
| 15:43.06 | Infoport | Doh! |
| 15:43.10 | haduong | Stereo is not so obvious to setup |
| 15:43.13 | Dave | moo? |
| 15:43.23 | b0ib0t | does flash work on the freerunner, like could i go to youtube on it? |
| 15:43.25 | Dave | how is it a setup? |
| 15:43.32 | Dave | boibot, not yet |
| 15:43.35 | b0ib0t | ah |
| 15:43.48 | Dave | it's not a high priority either :P |
| 15:43.57 | ieatlint | Dave, "yet" ? :P |
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| 15:44.10 | ieatlint | until adobe decides otherwise, flash will never be on the freerunner |
| 15:44.13 | haduong | I can't even get sound on both speakers with the headset |
| 15:44.14 | b0ib0t | If vlc can run on it, one could rip vids from youtube and play them I bet |
| 15:44.25 | paroneayea | ieatlint: gnash? |
| 15:44.27 | Dave | mplayer runs |
| 15:44.35 | b0ib0t | there you go |
| 15:44.36 | Dave | ieatlint, hooray! |
| 15:44.36 | ieatlint | paroneayea, gnash is a pos |
| 15:44.38 | b0ib0t | perfect |
| 15:45.03 | paroneayea | ieatlint: well then, how fitting. A POS app for a POS platform |
| 15:45.12 | paroneayea | er |
| 15:45.15 | Dave | :O |
| 15:45.16 | paroneayea | by that I meant Flash |
| 15:45.20 | paroneayea | not the openmoko |
| 15:45.22 | paroneayea | as being POS |
| 15:45.26 | Dave | huhu |
| 15:45.33 | ieatlint | i was going to say, the phone isn't a point of sale device |
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| 15:45.42 | b0ib0t | lmao |
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| 15:46.00 | b0ib0t | mobile POS for the travelling store |
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| 15:46.19 | ieatlint | b0ib0t, stores have those |
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| 15:46.29 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:46.42 | ieatlint | you actually could turn it into a POS... |
| 15:46.49 | Dave | ieatlint, I'm going to pimp yo app |
| 15:46.52 | ieatlint | attach a barcode reader and/or magstrip reader if needed |
| 15:46.53 | b0ib0t | can it take keyboard input from usb? |
| 15:47.00 | ieatlint | b0ib0t, yes |
| 15:47.05 | ieatlint | Dave, which app? |
| 15:47.05 | b0ib0t | sweeeet! |
| 15:47.13 | Dave | boibot, sort of |
| 15:47.19 | Dave | ieatlint, batmon :p |
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| 15:47.32 | ieatlint | Dave, then do it with the c version |
| 15:47.44 | Dave | fne |
| 15:47.47 | Dave | :) |
| 15:47.54 | ieatlint | i've fully abandoned the python version... the c version i just don't have plans to do anything more with right now :) |
| 15:48.00 | ieatlint | i'm not an eye candy person.. |
| 15:48.32 | ieatlint | nor do i feel segfaults are a bad thing |
| 15:48.35 | Infoport | Dave assuming that I find the "battery" app on freeyourphone.de, will it be in German only too? |
| 15:49.00 | Dave | no |
| 15:49.08 | Dave | The few words in it are all English! |
| 15:49.21 | Dave | ieatlint, bah! |
| 15:49.22 | ieatlint | not to mention translating 5 words used in an app like that wouldn't take long |
| 15:49.23 | Infoport | oooo I am SO going to buy a CueCat so I can scan my library into Tellico with my FR |
| 15:49.34 | mjr | heh |
| 15:49.35 | Dave | -_- |
| 15:49.44 | Dave | Ieatlint, but clearly, first, priorities! |
| 15:49.55 | Dave | clate ui! |
| 15:50.19 | ieatlint | clate is a ui... albeit, it's a completely hacked thing that needs to be scrapped |
| 15:50.35 | Dave | uh huh |
| 15:50.39 | Dave | I kind of noticed :P |
| 15:50.40 | ieatlint | liblate is what i've been concentrating on... |
| 15:50.44 | Dave | right |
| 15:50.47 | Dave | as you should be! |
| 15:51.01 | Dave | Later on a sexy (effective) [g]ui could be developed! |
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| 15:51.08 | Dave | I'd hit it! |
| 15:51.27 | ieatlint | i could throw together a gui very quickly, but since i am going to be showing it to a bunch of dev geeks on saturday and on tuesday, i want a good backend api |
| 15:51.42 | ieatlint | since there's a decent chance they'll want to play with it, and i want the api set so i don't go changing it |
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| 15:52.38 | Dave | Yeah that would be nice |
| 15:52.43 | Dave | I despise exploding software |
| 15:52.51 | Dave | and yet, here I am... using the freerunner? |
| 15:52.55 | ieatlint | there are a few miscellaneous functions left to write that are mostly 1 liners (things that just are like get_current_database type crap) |
| 15:52.59 | Dave | (perhaps it's a devious fetish) :O |
| 15:53.07 | Dave | heh |
| 15:53.09 | ieatlint | right now it's code cleanup |
| 15:53.17 | Dave | get_current_bus->speed |
| 15:53.22 | ieatlint | organising source files and adding some comments |
| 15:53.25 | Dave | hoenoes! |
| 15:53.31 | Dave | good good |
| 15:53.36 | Dave | I need to create a db |
| 15:53.37 | Dave | :[ |
| 15:53.45 | ieatlint | no worries :) |
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| 15:53.55 | Dave | I just passed a few buses on the way back, and it made me think of it :) |
| 15:53.58 | ieatlint | the library will make one for you by the end of today |
| 15:54.05 | Dave | Excellent! |
| 15:54.09 | Dave | My excitement returns! |
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| 15:54.16 | Dave | as well as my hunger... |
| 15:54.23 | ieatlint | i have most of it written, just need to test it |
| 15:54.29 | Dave | unfortunately I now have to delve into my poorly coded python apps |
| 15:54.34 | Dave | damn snakes |
| 15:55.07 | johnsu01 | hm, so fsck for jjfs2 is not installed :/ |
| 15:55.22 | Infoport | Dave well I dont suppose you could point me to the battery app itself? I am browsing that site using Babelfish, but not sure where to look |
| 15:55.42 | Dave | sure |
| 15:56.01 | ieatlint | Dave, the api is very simple too :) |
| 15:56.12 | b0ib0t | I am wondering, I have been working on a game in Allegro game lib, I wonder if it could work on the freerunner... I do believe Allegro has the option to render to framebuffer.... seems like it would work. |
| 15:56.52 | SpeedEvil | The video bus speed is very slow. |
| 15:56.54 | ieatlint | to list all the bus lines, you run 5 functions: create an liblate object, set the agency, query the lines (returns a glist of them), free the list, close the object |
| 15:56.55 | SpeedEvil | 7M/s. |
| 15:57.41 | SpeedEvil | And if you're pushing 3.5M to the CPU, you're also using 50% of CPU |
| 15:58.08 | Dave | http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/openmoko/battery/battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:58.13 | Dave | ieatlint, sweet |
| 15:58.20 | ieatlint | someone just needs to port the oregon trail to the freerunner |
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| 15:58.37 | b0ib0t | nah, the old red barron flight sim |
| 15:58.42 | b0ib0t | that'd pwn |
| 15:58.44 | Dave | ieatlint, YES! |
| 15:58.49 | Dave | I have the floppy diskette! |
| 15:58.54 | b0ib0t | lmao |
| 15:59.04 | Dave | man, most of my awesome games are on floppies |
| 15:59.05 | b0ib0t | control the airplane by tilting the phone |
| 15:59.05 | Infoport | ieatlint no to really eat up my time we need Nethack (or the more graphical Falcon's Eye version) |
| 15:59.18 | Dave | airplanes? in oregon trail? |
| 15:59.22 | Dave | wrong game! |
| 15:59.24 | SpeedEvil | I've played nethack on it. |
| 15:59.26 | SpeedEvil | (remotely) |
| 15:59.28 | b0ib0t | no no, red barron! |
| 15:59.33 | Dave | haha |
| 15:59.38 | b0ib0t | old dos flight sim |
| 15:59.40 | SpeedEvil | With display on FR |
| 15:59.42 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:59.43 | SpeedEvil | neo |
| 15:59.44 | Dave | Infoport, there is nethack |
| 15:59.57 | b0ib0t | how about doom? |
| 15:59.59 | Dave | I need a keyboard |
| 16:00.03 | Dave | yeah so I can play doom and heretic |
| 16:00.08 | Dave | or a controller |
| 16:00.12 | ieatlint | i miss tie fighter :( |
| 16:00.15 | Infoport | SpeedEvil i can play nethack right here, but it would be much better when waiting somewhere than playing minesweeper |
| 16:00.16 | Dave | zorkman was trying to get his PS3 controller working with it |
| 16:00.27 | ieatlint | they never really updated that game past win95 |
| 16:00.32 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: zoom is horrible |
| 16:00.38 | b0ib0t | i bet its fast enough to do quake 1... a quake 1 neo wireless lan party... would be neat |
| 16:01.03 | Dave | HOT |
| 16:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: And floating eye/orc ... |
| 16:01.09 | Dave | PARTY AT LINT'S HOUSE! |
| 16:01.10 | Dave | :P |
| 16:01.19 | ieatlint | hah, you don't know where i live |
| 16:01.27 | Dave | Do I even want to know? :P |
| 16:01.29 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: france. |
| 16:01.46 | Dave | actually you might live right next to a friend of mine, I wouldn't be at all surprised. |
| 16:01.57 | Dave | Lint, I may find out, next week >:) |
| 16:02.00 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil, actually, i have self respect |
| 16:02.43 | ieatlint | Dave, i can walk to LDAC.. is that near your friend? :P |
| 16:03.33 | ieatlint | i should go walk to the golden gate bridge, connect to irc on my freerunner, and you can see me in the traffic cameras |
| 16:04.47 | Infoport | SpeedEvil, Dave, remotely playing nethack isnt enough...I want to take the game with me, play, and then maybe use Hearse to upload the bones files back to my PC |
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| 16:05.01 | Infoport | 8P |
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| 16:07.07 | zedstar_ | speedevil u mind if i PM u some hardware type questions? |
| 16:07.24 | Infoport | Dave, ieatlint, the python batmon is just run at cmd line, or am I meant to setup a .desktop file for it? |
| 16:07.49 | ieatlint | Infoport, yes |
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| 16:08.01 | ieatlint | as in... you can do either, it's not a console app |
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| 16:11.27 | Dave | right |
| 16:11.38 | Dave | ncurses ftw! |
| 16:12.05 | Dave | Everything's better in the console, right? ;) |
| 16:12.55 | TAsn | my moko just left canada :) |
| 16:13.14 | paroneayea | is someone making an ncurses based dialer? ;) |
| 16:13.17 | paroneayea | that would be sweet |
| 16:13.22 | Infoport | except at that hotel in DC...what those people were doing in windows was definitely GOOD (from our view at least) |
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| 16:13.47 | weatherhead | #openvpn |
| 16:13.53 | Infoport | but most close the shades and its just wasted |
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| 16:13.58 | Dave | o.O |
| 16:14.09 | Dave | Infoport, what are you going on about, anyway? |
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| 16:14.20 | Dave | do we really want to KNOW what you did in that hotel, behind closed doors? |
| 16:14.55 | Infoport | Dave *sigh* I guess I need breakfast, but my console isnt cooperating (make coffee!) |
| 16:14.55 | Dave | :P |
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| 16:15.29 | Dave | I'd rather just put you out of your misery :) |
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| 16:15.59 | Dave | or check if you moved on tango friends :P |
| 16:16.09 | Infoport | Dave uggghh that would be Waffle House coffee...my coffee raises the dead |
| 16:16.20 | haduong | scons coffee |
| 16:16.20 | Dave | AAaaaaahh! ZOMBIES! |
| 16:16.23 | Dave | runs |
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| 16:18.30 | Infoport | ieatlint "No module named cairo" am I doing something wrong? need to install dependencies first? |
| 16:18.56 | ieatlint | you're on your own for libraries :P |
| 16:19.11 | ieatlint | the python version requires pygtk |
| 16:19.26 | Dave | huhu |
| 16:19.39 | Dave | Install libraries, fool! |
| 16:19.42 | Dave | :) |
| 16:19.51 | Zorkman | lol, how long have these egyptians been terrorizing people? |
| 16:19.59 | Dave | TERRORISTS!? |
| 16:20.00 | Zorkman | seems like last week everyone complains about cairo |
| 16:20.04 | AntonTakk | anyone know if the angstrom repo with pidgin can be used on fso ms2 ? |
| 16:20.05 | Dave | Zorkman :] |
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| 16:20.27 | ieatlint | Zorkman, it's 1967 all over again |
| 16:20.35 | Dave | haha |
| 16:20.49 | Dave | McBain to base, McBain to base! Under attack by commie-nazis! |
| 16:20.58 | Zorkman | :) |
| 16:21.20 | ieatlint | communazis methinks |
| 16:21.53 | Dave | haha |
| 16:22.07 | Dave | are they good at communicating? |
| 16:22.09 | Dave | :p |
| 16:22.25 | Zorkman | is wondering what Bug#2008 will be and if there will be a party involved |
| 16:23.10 | Dave | heh |
| 16:23.12 | Infoport | opkg install libpython? |
| 16:23.15 | Dave | I'm surprised there isn't more already |
| 16:23.22 | Dave | infoport python-pygtk? |
| 16:23.48 | Dave | Don't make me slap you around with a moldy old cod! |
| 16:25.46 | Infoport | doh! no, I already had it installed, and cairo still not found |
| 16:26.08 | Zorkman | Infoport: file a bug report, I've seen a lot of people complaining about it |
| 16:26.55 | Dave | infoport, noob. |
| 16:27.18 | Dave | use the force, infoport! |
| 16:27.20 | Dave | or celtune :p |
| 16:28.18 | Infoport | hm. neither of those battery apps are doing much for me. The "fancy" one just gives me an app with an icon in Utilities |
| 16:28.36 | Zorkman | which apps are you referring to infoport? |
| 16:29.19 | Infoport | Baton and "battery" app from German developers |
| 16:29.24 | Infoport | Batmon |
| 16:29.42 | Zorkman | strange.. they work on my 2007.2 and 2008.8-upgrade withouth problems |
| 16:29.56 | Zorkman | you should complain to ieatlint about this :p |
| 16:30.04 | johnsu01 | ugh, I seem to have some kind of corruption, Qtopia won't boot from the internal flash anymore |
| 16:30.13 | Infoport | maybe a reboot (already restarted xserver, but reboot is the magic fix-all) |
| 16:30.18 | johnsu01 | it boots for a while and then gives me a black screen and blinking cursor |
| 16:30.36 | Zorkman | Infoport: what error message do you get when you try to run it? |
| 16:30.40 | paroneayea | johnsu01: can you ssh in? |
| 16:30.49 | johnsu01 | I booted into debian on the sd card, and ran fsck on the mtdblk devices |
| 16:31.07 | b0ib0t | woa deb runs on the neo? |
| 16:31.24 | Zorkman | b0ib0t: where have you been the last weeks? |
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| 16:31.30 | johnsu01 | paroneayea: Hm, didn't try that, I don't think it gets that far but I'll give it a go |
| 16:31.34 | b0ib0t | i just bought my neo today |
| 16:31.40 | b0ib0t | its all new to me |
| 16:31.40 | johnsu01 | b0ib0t: yep :) |
| 16:31.46 | Zorkman | ah, then you have a lot of catching up to do :p |
| 16:31.46 | b0ib0t | wow |
| 16:31.51 | b0ib0t | yes i do |
| 16:31.56 | b0ib0t | i hope to dev for it eventually |
| 16:32.00 | Infoport | Zorkman on the python script, I got error "No module named cairo" and the other app I just tried to run from menu (busy circle then nothing) |
| 16:32.01 | b0ib0t | i'm just getting up to speed |
| 16:32.14 | ieatlint | Infoport, try the c version |
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| 16:33.31 | Zorkman | b0ib0t: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner is what you want to install and use debian |
| 16:34.05 | b0ib0t | sweet, thnx for the linkage =] |
| 16:35.08 | Zorkman | np b0ib0t, check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions for the other distributions |
| 16:35.08 | Infoport | ieatlint where is the C version? oh hey I was also running power.py -- but looking at your site I see batmon.py also |
| 16:35.17 | ieatlint | http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/batmon/ |
| 16:35.25 | ieatlint | Infoport, that must be an old version |
| 16:35.31 | Zorkman | (unfortunatly portin Win CE is still not don ^_^) |
| 16:36.04 | Infoport | ooohh, ok someone sent me to the WRONG url (*ahem* Dave) |
| 16:36.27 | Zorkman | Dave strikes again!!! :) |
| 16:36.58 | ieatlint | Infoport, ooh, it was an old c version up there :) |
| 16:37.00 | ieatlint | just updated it |
| 16:37.14 | ieatlint | the file should be 21968 bytes |
| 16:37.22 | ieatlint | if it's not, it's the old version :P |
| 16:37.43 | b0ib0t | any chance slackware runs on freerunner? lol |
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| 16:38.50 | ieatlint | b0ib0t, sure, if you want to put the effort into it |
| 16:38.59 | Zorkman | ieatlint: when did you last update batmon.py or batter.py? (just to check ifit is useful to redownload it) |
| 16:39.18 | Dave | Muwahahahaha! |
| 16:39.29 | ieatlint | Zorkman, i dunno, a long while ago |
| 16:39.37 | Infoport | ieatlint cool! I like it!! I may have to add a .desktop file so I can pull it up from Utilities menu |
| 16:39.40 | Zorkman | k, np then |
| 16:39.42 | ieatlint | http://lint.devjavu.com/browser/batmon has the current batmon.py |
| 16:39.42 | Dave | >:P |
| 16:39.49 | ieatlint | (and the current c files, but not binary) |
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| 16:40.27 | Dave | woo |
| 16:40.43 | bumbl | lpotter: does qtopia also have problems with echoing while phoning? |
| 16:40.44 | Infoport | btw, I think that the other battery app may have added functionality to the battery ICON, rather than opening a program across the whole display (a little odd to run it from icon then) |
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| 16:41.08 | Infoport | i mean, odd to run that other battery appp from a MENU icon |
| 16:41.35 | johnsu01 | paroneayea: hm, I actually can ssh into it, wtf |
| 16:41.38 | Dave | no |
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| 16:42.34 | wyeager | i second bumbl's question. Will qtopia get me more polished telephony over 2007.2? |
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| 16:43.00 | wyeager | My dad was complaining about the buzzing last night |
| 16:43.14 | pjz | I suggest you get an sd card and put qtopia on it and find out |
| 16:43.24 | Dave | buzzing? |
| 16:43.28 | Dave | death whistle? |
| 16:43.35 | pjz | "better" and "more polished" are such subjective qualities |
| 16:43.38 | wyeager | no one died |
| 16:43.38 | b0ib0t | reads carefully |
| 16:43.52 | Infoport | ieatlint this will be nice to check if my iGo car charger is actually pushing 500mA or just 100 |
| 16:43.52 | wyeager | pjz okay I'll find out for myself |
| 16:43.53 | LuYu | anybody have any suggestions about what GPS packages to install in addition to tangoGPS on debian? |
| 16:44.20 | ieatlint | Infoport, well, odds are it does more than 100... but be careful |
| 16:44.25 | ieatlint | there's a warrning for a reason :) |
| 16:44.49 | pjz | ieatlint: how's your wifi stuff? does it work on 2008.08 ? |
| 16:44.58 | ieatlint | pjz, no |
| 16:45.10 | ieatlint | i was under the impression network manager was bring brought in |
| 16:45.15 | ieatlint | so i didn't want to re-invent the wheel |
| 16:45.29 | Infoport | ieatlint oh sure...I'm just not sure if my phone has been charging on only 100mA as it is, and using more (then dying) or if it is just other issues (dev phone & OSes after all) |
| 16:46.02 | ieatlint | Infoport, well, by default, the phone will only draw 100ma from usb unless it knows it can do more |
| 16:46.19 | ieatlint | the phone is likely to only draw 100ma from a car charger |
| 16:46.30 | ieatlint | (by default) |
| 16:46.57 | ieatlint | which is why i wrote that app... wanted to be able to easily force it to pull more from chargers |
| 16:47.16 | ieatlint | i have a usb y-cable to pull 1A off of my computer, for instance |
| 16:47.31 | bumbl | i don't get the gsm interfering noise but rather the other person hears his voice again (echo) |
| 16:48.50 | Dave | amp it up, baby! |
| 16:48.50 | johnsu01 | so, qpe is running and I can ssh in, but there is nothing displayed on the screen |
| 16:48.50 | Infoport | ieatlint interesting...I was approaching it more for the info it gives, but I may think about forcing too (I'll check first, but pretty sure I got the more powerful car charger) |
| 16:49.06 | ieatlint | johnsu01, try restarting qpe ( /etc/init.d/qpe restart ) |
| 16:49.21 | weatherhead | johnsu01, just a foolish thing, but have you tried pressing the power button for a second? mine is always blank on boot until I do that |
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| 16:49.54 | ieatlint | Infoport, i'd be surprised if it didn't give at least 500ma... |
| 16:50.02 | LuYu | anybody have any suggestions about what GPS packages to install in addition to tangoGPS on debian? |
| 16:50.12 | johnsu01 | ieatlint: it restarts with no errors other than a couple things about libstdc++, which were happening before, when it worked |
| 16:50.16 | Dave | hmm |
| 16:50.27 | johnsu01 | weatherhead: yeah, I still just have a blank screen and blinking cursor |
| 16:51.43 | Infoport | ieatlint how do you use the y-cable to force 1A? do you use it backward, plugged into two ports on PC and the one spot on Neo? |
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| 16:51.59 | ieatlint | Infoport, precisley |
| 16:52.29 | ieatlint | Infoport, basically, most usb ports today can provide .5A |
| 16:52.36 | ieatlint | 2 ports, 1A |
| 16:53.08 | ieatlint | if you plug the phone into usb (on a computer) and it doesn't give you .5A, then don't force anything |
| 16:53.22 | Dave | unless it's a self-powered super-awesome hub :D |
| 16:53.29 | ieatlint | (it negotiates the power level through usb's protocol, but if you draw more than negotiated, it still works) |
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| 16:53.59 | ieatlint | i dunno if a hub can negotiate power levels... will have to check sometime :) |
| 16:54.02 | Dave | draws a mental image of a nextbus bus speeding down a tube on fire |
| 16:54.06 | ieatlint | (as in, do it independent of the computer) |
| 16:54.14 | Dave | lint, it can, yes |
| 16:54.20 | Dave | I have one :) |
| 16:54.23 | ieatlint | ok, there you go then :P |
| 16:54.36 | Infoport | seems straightforward. I need to get some usb adapters so I can make some devices fit mini-B |
| 16:54.52 | Dave | hells yeah you do! |
| 16:55.08 | ieatlint | i need to get a 1A usb car charger and then modify it so it has the special resistor that the phone takes to mean it can auto-draw 1A |
| 16:55.24 | Dave | hell yeah you do! |
| 16:55.42 | Dave | 47k? |
| 16:55.48 | ieatlint | i think so |
| 16:55.51 | Dave | 1.21JW? |
| 16:55.56 | Infoport | that would be sweet! what would the effect be on other devices? nothing b/c they don't look for it? |
| 16:55.56 | Dave | :P |
| 16:56.02 | ieatlint | http://quickstart.openmoko.org/#chargerdetection has it |
| 16:56.17 | Dave | porn.openmymoko.org |
| 16:56.38 | ieatlint | Infoport, on the off chance other devices use the same type of resistor, they'd also draw 1A... otherwise it'd be a dumb charger, just like your usb car charger is |
| 16:56.57 | johnsu01 | this appears to be my problem |
| 16:56.59 | johnsu01 | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td674097 |
| 16:57.44 | Infoport | ieatlint good to know it could still be a dumb charger...my car charger is an Monster/iGo charger with different tips for different devices |
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| 16:58.02 | SpeedEvil | Essentially all USB chargers are 'dumb'. |
| 16:58.15 | SpeedEvil | The alternative is for it to be basically a computer. |
| 16:58.18 | ieatlint | Infoport, yeah, my ex was constantly using my OM wall charger for her phone... no issues :P |
| 16:58.44 | SpeedEvil | Or enough of one to read and tell the phone that it's a computer. |
| 16:59.13 | ieatlint | in other words, it needs a controller chip such as those founds in computers and hubs |
| 16:59.21 | Dave | duh |
| 16:59.28 | Dave | or be smartar |
| 16:59.30 | Dave | like you! |
| 16:59.32 | Dave | :P |
| 16:59.45 | SpeedEvil | The differences between them is the current output, and the resistors or other means of specifically telling their brand of phone that htey are a charger. |
| 16:59.55 | SpeedEvil | Not a hub chip - that won't do anything. |
| 17:00.04 | SpeedEvil | A hub chip only transfers signals from the computer. |
| 17:00.06 | ieatlint | did dave lie to me? |
| 17:00.06 | SpeedEvil | (sort-of) |
| 17:00.17 | Infoport | yet another quickstart online? they need to update that with the wiki about USB networking (unless it is just abandoned) |
| 17:00.23 | ieatlint | well, a hub chip definitely has power management stuffs |
| 17:00.31 | ieatlint | i was reading the specs of a TI one the other day |
| 17:00.32 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: no it doesn't really. |
| 17:00.39 | ieatlint | had the full overdraw stuffs |
| 17:00.51 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: it implements power policy defined by the upstream host. |
| 17:01.08 | SpeedEvil | In the absence of a host, it does (more or less) nothing. |
| 17:01.17 | Infoport | I have read the part about charging and the special resistor in the charger before...just wanted to get another opinion before hacking my Monster charger |
| 17:01.19 | ieatlint | hmmm |
| 17:01.24 | SpeedEvil | It won't negotiate USB configurations with the peripheal. |
| 17:01.28 | ieatlint | but the power policy of the upstream host is in independent of a self-powered hub |
| 17:01.56 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: nope. The upstream host configures all peripherals, and tells them what power they can draw. |
| 17:02.10 | ieatlint | i shall check :) |
| 17:02.21 | mjr | so basically a powered hub tells the host that it's okay to promise mucho power to the devices connected to it? |
| 17:02.26 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: even if it goes through hubs, it reads the hubs configuration, then sets up the peripherals on that hub according to the hubs configuration information. |
| 17:02.30 | SpeedEvil | mjr: basically |
| 17:03.29 | SpeedEvil | The USB bus is completely controlled from the host end. |
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| 17:03.32 | Infoport | it sounds like a good conversion though, esp since I suspect my car charger was only giving 100mA (I thought that 500mA was done if "fast" USB was possible, like USB 2.0, and was hoping that the charger indicated it to Neo, but probably not) |
| 17:03.57 | SpeedEvil | Chargers are seperate really. |
| 17:04.51 | SpeedEvil | There are assorted not-standard ways of a device with a 'USB' socket on it calling itself a charger signalling to the device that it can draw power. These are not however defined in the USB standards - apart from very recent additions. |
| 17:05.11 | SpeedEvil | And have historically varied between makers in a non-compatible way. |
| 17:05.30 | Infoport | yeah, starting to understand that my charger is just "dumb" on many levels...it is supposed to provide more power to other devices on the (Green?) series of tips, but I guess those devices might demand power differently |
| 17:06.01 | Torikun | When will 2008 images have wifi that works |
| 17:06.03 | SpeedEvil | If it has two connections, then the vast likelyhood is that the tips are simply mechanical adaptors. |
| 17:06.14 | ieatlint | uh oh, i'm missing my laptop charger |
| 17:06.56 | SpeedEvil | stabs the USB committee. |
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| 17:07.11 | ieatlint | this would mean my sister was kind enough to steal my charger before flying back to new york yesterday :( |
| 17:07.26 | Zorkman | Torikun: use mofi; it works |
| 17:07.31 | Infoport | SpeedEvil all the tips use the same connection, although they have a Y so you can charge two things (and I bought the charger that could handle PDAs, laptops, and some other more power-greedy devices |
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| 17:07.34 | tuXXX | Torikun: wifi is working, but you have to start it manually ^^ |
| 17:07.45 | Zorkman | Torikun: but don't disconnect and connect to a different network, that doesn't work :) |
| 17:07.54 | Torikun | I can connect to wifi fine but I can not use the browser to go to websites |
| 17:08.10 | mjr | Infoport, aanyway, if your charger can supply more than 100mA but is dumb in a way neo doesn't recognize, you can still tell neo to force drawing of more current |
| 17:08.14 | mjr | don't recall how now |
| 17:08.36 | Zorkman | mjr, Infoport: ietlints programs have a nice button to do that |
| 17:08.36 | SpeedEvil | DNS problems tor? |
| 17:09.03 | tuXXX | +1 |
| 17:09.20 | ieatlint | mjr, check the sysfs page on the wiki |
| 17:09.50 | Infoport | mjr, Zorkman yes I have ieatlint's program on it now...just making a menu entry. It seems more useful actually than the german "battery" app |
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| 17:10.06 | Dave_ | eh oh |
| 17:10.31 | Zorkman | don't know which german app you are referring to, but batmon give you all the info you need, current charge, remaining time, current being drawn and temperature |
| 17:10.38 | Infoport | ieatlint hey what version would you call the C BatMon? I'm putting in details in the .desktop app |
| 17:10.58 | ieatlint | lcds are fucking hot |
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| 17:11.26 | ieatlint | Infoport, it should have a version number on the app |
| 17:11.27 | ieatlint | .3b |
| 17:11.34 | Dave_ | zorkman, doesn't give you voltage :P |
| 17:11.39 | Dave_ | unless that has been included :D |
| 17:12.14 | Dave_ | forces lint to finish the library |
| 17:12.28 | mjr | ieatlint, hmm, read it, seems to imply that you can force the neo to not charge nowadays. Which is nice, actually. |
| 17:13.16 | Dave | Behold! |
| 17:13.28 | Dave | mjr, indeed. |
| 17:13.38 | ieatlint | Zorkman, you need temperature? |
| 17:13.48 | Dave | it's got that! |
| 17:13.51 | ugh_ | do i have to enable ssid broadcast on my wlan router? seems that i could not connect. wpa_supplicant says "ssid mismatch"? |
| 17:13.53 | Infoport | ok seems to be version .3B (you don't consider it even a v1.0 or a v0.9?) |
| 17:13.54 | ieatlint | i just put it up there because i had a brief curiosity of how hot it got... |
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| 17:13.59 | Dave | We've got all the weed you need... |
| 17:14.03 | Dave | ;) |
| 17:14.28 | Infoport | Dave? Dave's not here man! |
| 17:14.30 | ieatlint | Infoport, how about .3µ? |
| 17:14.36 | Infoport | hehehe |
| 17:14.37 | Dave | Infoport -_-; |
| 17:14.46 | ieatlint | or wait |
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| 17:15.23 | ieatlint | batmon v.3â |
| 17:15.50 | Infoport | what is that last char? looks like a smudge here |
| 17:16.13 | ieatlint | oh it's a snowman of course |
| 17:16.17 | Dave | lint :P |
| 17:16.28 | Dave | you and your frosty fetish ;) |
| 17:16.39 | Dave | I wonder what opkg would have to say about that version tag ;p |
| 17:16.45 | Dave | you should try it! :D |
| 17:17.19 | ieatlint | i don't use opkg |
| 17:17.25 | ieatlint | i try not to make things too user friendly |
| 17:17.42 | ieatlint | it removes the sense of accomplishment one gets when they wade through bullshit and finally get something working |
| 17:17.49 | Dave | :D |
| 17:17.53 | Infoport | AMEN! |
| 17:17.55 | Dave | thanks, thanks a lot, lint. |
| 17:18.01 | Dave | *boot* |
| 17:18.04 | Dave | jackass :P |
| 17:18.10 | wyeager | thanks lint for nothing |
| 17:18.18 | Dave | exactly! |
| 17:18.19 | Infoport | ieatlint so I guess you run slackware or gentoo at home? |
| 17:18.19 | Dave | :) |
| 17:18.26 | Dave | haw |
| 17:18.27 | ieatlint | good guess :) |
| 17:18.30 | ieatlint | gentoo |
| 17:18.31 | Dave | Oh man |
| 17:18.34 | Dave | that reminds me |
| 17:18.55 | ieatlint | it's fucking hot here |
| 17:18.56 | ieatlint | :( |
| 17:19.15 | Dave | on 95 this morning, coming down, there was a guy in front of me with a huge purple wing on the back of his car, and it had blue led's illuminating it |
| 17:19.28 | Dave | *funroll-loops nostalgia* |
| 17:19.34 | Dave | the onset was immediate :) |
| 17:19.42 | ieatlint | that'd be illegal in CA :P |
| 17:19.42 | Dave | lint, yeah yeah, this is why we have A/C's, duh :p |
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| 17:19.47 | Dave | lint, psssht |
| 17:19.55 | Dave | you think THEY care about cpb? ;p |
| 17:19.58 | Infoport | I have a gentoo partition (well overwritten with Sabayon, gentoo variant) but got tired of recompiling system all the time for little benefit. You sure learn though |
| 17:20.08 | ieatlint | and i live in san francisco |
| 17:20.11 | Dave | chp |
| 17:20.11 | ieatlint | we don't have ac |
| 17:20.15 | Dave | lint, haw |
| 17:20.17 | Dave | your fault |
| 17:20.30 | ieatlint | i blame the sun |
| 17:20.38 | Dave | I blame pastey programmers |
| 17:20.45 | Dave | whiney bitches :P |
| 17:20.50 | ieatlint | Infoport, benefit? |
| 17:20.53 | Dave | go back to your cave, and your gentoo :p |
| 17:20.55 | ieatlint | what benefit were you expecting? |
| 17:21.21 | Dave | haha lollerswampcoolers |
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| 17:21.38 | Infoport | ieatlint I had to pick a different grocery store yesterday b/c the road was flooded from sudden thunderstorms. bleah! complaining about too much sunny weather :P |
| 17:21.44 | ieatlint | programs won't realistically run faster on gentoo -- rather, gentoo allows you to install only what you want, apply patches more easily, and use unstable/custom software more easily |
| 17:22.11 | Infoport | ieatlint yeah I couldnt tell that much of my apps benefited from compiling them myself |
| 17:22.16 | ieatlint | Infoport, yes, complain to the person who lives in a drought stricken area about how the water plagues you |
| 17:22.35 | ieatlint | it hasn't rained here since march |
| 17:23.13 | Infoport | well there are water problems in NC too, but come on-- CA is known for being sunny all the time |
| 17:23.47 | ieatlint | most impressions people have of CA are false :P |
| 17:23.58 | ieatlint | i live in san francisco... we don't generally do sunny |
| 17:24.14 | Infoport | when I was shopping for my 67 Karmann Ghia, "CA car" was a regular tag to show it had been in good weather, and some people had made roadsters, no top to go up ever, b/c THEY COULD |
| 17:25.12 | Infoport | ieatlint I have an aunt who lives in Mountain View...when we visited she told us to bring sweaters, for the cool breeze off the bay |
| 17:26.22 | ieatlint | in the summer? MV doesn't get cold then |
| 17:27.04 | Infoport | ieatlint for when we were going around SF, the Pier, in her MG, etc |
| 17:27.27 | Infoport | but yeah, in the summer |
| 17:27.33 | ieatlint | for SF, yeah |
| 17:28.44 | SpeedEvil | People adapt to climate. |
| 17:29.16 | SpeedEvil | 20C and sunny is a overly hot for me. |
| 17:29.18 | SpeedEvil | (scotland) |
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| 17:29.51 | Infoport | SpeedEvil very true! I used to live in Houston, and when I moved to NC I would wear an army jacket around in spring/summer. Now I use the A/C a lot and think 90 feel hot. |
| 17:29.59 | Rakshasa | Yeah, 20C and sunny is absolute maximum bearable. |
| 17:30.21 | SpeedEvil | When doing anything outside that is. |
| 17:30.51 | Dave | haha lint |
| 17:31.03 | Dave | I like your allusion to how gentoo users are generally more unstable. |
| 17:31.04 | Dave | :) |
| 17:31.31 | Infoport | used to ride in mom's car with no A/C, around Houston. Now I put on the A/C when the convertible top is down |
| 17:32.34 | Infoport | of course, now I tan in front of computer more than outside XD |
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| 17:34.12 | Dave | hlagh |
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| 17:34.26 | Dave | stomje ~_~ |
| 17:34.48 | paroneayea | Infoport: bikes have natural AC: wind :) |
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| 17:35.48 | Infoport | new package to improve complexion of gentoo users-- just "emerge from-cave-outside" |
| 17:36.05 | paroneayea | haha |
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| 17:39.05 | Infoport | YEA! BatMon is now in my Utilities menu. I might have to emerge outside too. Still don't think that other battery app is doing anything. Thanks ieatlint!! yours "just works", well with current version ;) |
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| 17:40.02 | ieatlint | your welcome :) |
| 17:40.05 | bose | hi |
| 17:40.18 | ieatlint | and hence the reason i basically haven't done anything with it in weeks... i've nothing to add to it |
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| 17:41.21 | Infoport | ieatlint, well you *could* add a .desktop file and package it, give it consistency instead of ppl installing themselves, but I like the program itself as-is |
| 17:42.15 | Infoport | ok, going to check the car charger... |
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| 17:44.18 | johnsu01 | so, what might be the problem if I can ping IPs over USB networking, and have resolv.conf set to a legit nameserver, but can't lookup names? |
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| 17:46.59 | tuXXX | johnsu01: can you access your nameserver (ping? host?) |
| 17:47.11 | johnsu01 | tuXXX: I can ping it by number, yes |
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| 17:47.38 | tuXXX | I don't remember, is the command "host" available? |
| 17:47.54 | johnsu01 | tuXXX: Not on this install, no |
| 17:48.41 | johnsu01 | gah, working now |
| 17:49.15 | johnsu01 | perhaps I had a typo somewhere |
| 17:49.49 | SpeedEvil | johncylee: stupid comment - you have your nameserver by IP, not name? |
| 17:50.07 | johnsu01 | SpeedEvil: Yeah |
| 17:52.11 | johnsu01 | I think this qtopia problem is related to the fbset-modes package, which reports an error on opkg upgrade |
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| 17:57.17 | Proton23 | I'm trying to emulate Openmoko with QEMU |
| 17:57.25 | Proton23 | but it doesn't work |
| 17:58.33 | Proton23 | I downloaded the makefile; changed the branche to org.openmoko.asu.stable and ran make qemu |
| 17:59.15 | Proton23 | that I got an image that does nothing than blinking on clicking |
| 17:59.36 | Proton23 | http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7690/bildschirmfotoqemull9.png |
| 18:00.23 | Proton23 | But that is not the ASU-image, isn't it? |
| 18:00.45 | Zorkman | Proton23: that is an old qtopia image |
| 18:01.00 | Proton23 | I thought so |
| 18:01.04 | Zorkman | you need to fiddje with QEMU first, sorry, I can't give you instructions |
| 18:01.16 | sirkha_top | what kind of cable is needed to use the host on usb for the freerunner |
| 18:01.25 | Proton23 | fiddje??? |
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| 18:01.31 | Proton23 | what does that mean? |
| 18:01.32 | Zorkman | *fiddle :) |
| 18:01.51 | Zorkman | to tinker with it |
| 18:01.59 | Infoport | ieatlint, a question-- during what time is force in effect? until you Exit? Until you unplug? until you reboot? |
| 18:02.01 | Zorkman | sorry, english is not my motherlanquage |
| 18:02.05 | Proton23 | Don't know what that means either |
| 18:02.16 | Zorkman | play with it, change some variables |
| 18:02.26 | Infoport | ieatlint sorry, referring to BatMon force higher current |
| 18:02.42 | Zorkman | sirkha_top: you need a normal cable... nothing fancy... |
| 18:02.46 | Proton23 | Zorkman: What is your mother language? |
| 18:03.02 | Zorkman | Proton23: dutch |
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| 18:03.20 | Zorkman | und ich spreche auch eine bischen Deutsch mein freund :) |
| 18:03.23 | sirkha_top | right, but mini-usb-A male to USB female? |
| 18:03.30 | Proton23 | :D |
| 18:03.31 | Zorkman | *ein (I think ^^ ) |
| 18:03.41 | Proton23 | Right :) |
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| 18:04.03 | Proton23 | Did you know I'm german? ;) |
| 18:04.08 | Infoport | sirkha_top, I bought 6 or more USB "camera" cables surplus a while back, and now I just keep those everywhere, for either camera download or use with FR |
| 18:04.15 | Zorkman | sirkha_top: yes, but I connected some wires on an usb hub so I can use the usb mini to usb male that was supplied with the phone (and that you use to connect to your pc) |
| 18:04.19 | Zorkman | Proton23: yes |
| 18:04.45 | Proton23 | How did you figure that out? |
| 18:05.06 | Zorkman | you're on neo1973-germany and opie.de :p |
| 18:05.12 | Proton23 | LOL |
| 18:05.19 | Proton23 | ok that was easy :D |
| 18:05.25 | sicu | and your isp is german :p |
| 18:05.34 | Zorkman | yeah |
| 18:06.14 | Infoport | sirkha_top, I bought them when a store was closing, for $0.49 each, and they are just generic |
| 18:06.30 | Proton23 | but I'm still stuck with my f***** problem |
| 18:06.42 | Zorkman | wow, I wish i knew a store that sold them that cheap :) (although I can find some for 3 euro or so on the net) |
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| 18:07.31 | Proton23 | what does fiddle mean? |
| 18:07.35 | sirkha_top | ah, ok, thanks |
| 18:07.58 | Zorkman | Proton23: there is ablog somewhere on "da internets" that nicely explained what to do (also what to change to get it to act like a gta02) |
| 18:07.59 | Infoport | Zorkman it may have been .99 each, but it was a steal. They had a bin with a couple hundred, and lots of other surplus (although most of the good chips and MBs were already sold) |
| 18:08.00 | bumbl | Proton23: Ich gehe sogar etwas weiter und behaupte du bist aus leverkusen oder leverkusen umgebung |
| 18:08.33 | Proton23 | LOL |
| 18:08.46 | Proton23 | bumbl: Ja, das ist richtig :) |
| 18:09.06 | Zorkman | you should have bought a hundred and sold them to us :p |
| 18:09.06 | Proton23 | Bergisch Gladbach um genau zu sein |
| 18:09.24 | Proton23 | Kennt jeder durch Heidi Klum ;) |
| 18:09.28 | Zorkman | hehe |
| 18:09.38 | sicu | heh |
| 18:10.15 | Infoport | Zorkman sorry it was over a year ago, and I thought that 10 or so was plenty ("Why do you buy so many???" --loving wife) |
| 18:10.34 | Proton23 | Zorkman: Where do I find this page? :) |
| 18:10.46 | cga | Zorkman: ! |
| 18:10.50 | Zorkman | I thought he was from Kïln :( |
| 18:10.51 | cga | Infoport: ! |
| 18:11.04 | Zorkman | Proton23: don't know, I lost it... |
| 18:11.09 | Zorkman | Llo cga! |
| 18:11.12 | Proton23 | Oh nooooo |
| 18:11.21 | Proton23 | :'( |
| 18:11.31 | Zorkman | hehe |
| 18:11.45 | Zorkman | sorry Proton23... If i remembered I could have helped a lot of people... |
| 18:11.47 | Infoport | cga! have you chosen a new project, or just testing the line between stable OS and unstable? |
| 18:12.14 | cga | Infoport: i don't get it |
| 18:12.23 | Proton23 | Zorkman: Bergisch Gladbach borders to Leverkusen AND Köln :) |
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| 18:12.51 | Zorkman | aha :) |
| 18:13.15 | cga | Infoport: oh.. you mean between oses for the neo |
| 18:13.31 | cga | Infoport: not yet. still have to multiboot... i've been doing other things |
| 18:14.04 | Infoport | cga: yes, testing/playing with apps and OSes is what I've been doing, although I want to find a niche where I can program something useful |
| 18:14.05 | cga | Infoport: like installing debian sid + kde4 from experimental and some apt-pinning |
| 18:14.46 | cga | Infoport: anyway i plan to do multiboot and try oses when i finish to repair the damage i did on my server |
| 18:14.55 | Infoport | cga: I messed up my boot, and the newer image of OM2007 was much better (even though I had been using daily feed) |
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| 18:15.03 | Zorkman | cga: multiboot is one of the easiest things to do on FR, do it now! :) |
| 18:15.21 | cga | Zorkman: yes i know but i give priority to the server now |
| 18:15.33 | cga | i need to get it up before sunday |
| 18:15.44 | phrozen77 | cga, whats wrong with it? |
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| 18:16.23 | cga | phrozen77: i did a real mistake..... i shrunk a lvm volume without shrinking the filesystem before.. |
| 18:16.31 | phrozen77 | :O |
| 18:16.42 | cga | it's my first server and first time with lvm vserver etc... |
| 18:17.04 | cga | anyway going to repair that in the week-end |
| 18:17.29 | cga | i'm even thinking about making it again from scrtach just to fix it in my mind |
| 18:17.57 | phrozen77 | what os? |
| 18:17.59 | Zorkman | good luck cga! :) |
| 18:18.03 | cga | debian etch |
| 18:18.05 | phrozen77 | or rather, what distri |
| 18:18.07 | cga | thanks Zorkman |
| 18:18.08 | phrozen77 | ah ok |
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| 18:18.14 | phrozen77 | that should be sort of a quick rebuild |
| 18:18.17 | cga | debian rulez |
| 18:18.20 | phrozen77 | indeed |
| 18:18.38 | cga | i have sid + kde4 -t experimental on this very laptop |
| 18:19.10 | cga | i tought it would have been much unstable but i have to admit is solid and it works pretty smoothly |
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| 18:21.21 | cga | 12 |
| 18:22.06 | cga | typo |
| 18:23.03 | wurp2|working | Is anyone using Debian on FR for their daily phone? |
| 18:23.46 | cga | plans to boot it from sd card soonish |
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| 18:26.26 | b0ib0t | wants to run Damn Small Linux on freerunner off a SDcard |
| 18:27.03 | ieatlint | stupid face insists on bleeding when i cut it |
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| 18:27.50 | b0ib0t | =/ |
| 18:29.37 | ieatlint | i love not being a haemophiliac... it makes things so much easier |
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| 18:35.36 | johnsu01 | why is this neo upgrade script from qtopia talking about /opt/Nokia/Qtopia...? |
| 18:35.58 | johnsu01 | I guess that's a new change and correct |
| 18:36.04 | johnsu01 | according to CHANGES |
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| 18:42.24 | cga | Infoport: anyway... what did you choose between the oses??? if ever XD |
| 18:42.42 | mickeyl | | /opt/Nokia/Qtopia sounds expected to me |
| 18:42.44 | mickeyl | what makes you wonder? |
| 18:43.25 | cga | mickeyl: i have /opt/Qtopia no Nokia here |
| 18:43.38 | mickeyl | ah |
| 18:43.45 | mickeyl | sounds like they need to add branding now |
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| 18:43.52 | cga | gak |
| 18:43.55 | mickeyl | probably coming from their new owner |
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| 18:47.10 | cga | phrozen77: woooooow... debian is magik!!!! server up!!! |
| 18:47.32 | cga | phrozen77: and i did *nothing* |
| 18:47.45 | cga | now checking size and other things just to make sure |
| 18:48.28 | tunys | bricode! |
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| 18:48.47 | tunys | bricode: my FreeRunner's out of Canada now |
| 18:49.00 | TAsn | tunys, same as mine :) |
| 18:49.05 | TAsn | tunys, what's you order id? |
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| 18:49.20 | tunys | TAsn: CE527527960CA |
| 18:49.24 | TAsn | not track id |
| 18:49.29 | TAsn | the one you got from koolu |
| 18:49.37 | TAsn | mine is 17540 or something like that. |
| 18:49.39 | tunys | bricode: on the Canada Post website, it says thatXP |
| 18:49.43 | b0ib0t | my freerunner will be to me on monday hopefully ^^ |
| 18:49.52 | b0ib0t | ordered this morning 2 day air |
| 18:49.53 | jucs | Hey =) |
| 18:49.57 | tunys | Let me finish that sentence in a second |
| 18:50.01 | TAsn | b0ib0t, grats. |
| 18:50.13 | tunys | TAsn: #15724 |
| 18:50.19 | phrozen77 | cga, heh |
| 18:50.37 | tunys | bricode: it says that Xpressport USA takes "3, 4, and 5 days" |
| 18:50.37 | TAsn | so i guess mine was |
| 18:50.38 | b0ib0t | its going to put my whole life in order i think |
| 18:50.40 | TAsn | 15740 |
| 18:50.40 | TAsn | ;) |
| 18:50.42 | b0ib0t | it will complete me |
| 18:50.47 | tunys | bricode: are those options or possibilities? |
| 18:50.52 | tunys | or is it counting up to five? |
| 18:50.57 | TAsn | tunys, lol. ;0 |
| 18:51.04 | TAsn | b0ib0t, i know what you mean |
| 18:51.07 | TAsn | but you are crazy |
| 18:51.10 | TAsn | and so i am. |
| 18:51.10 | TAsn | ;) |
| 18:51.21 | tunys | if they're options, which one does Koolu usually use, bricode? |
| 18:51.24 | pjz | mickeyl: how's FSO coming? |
| 18:51.40 | TAsn | damn im tired. |
| 18:51.42 | TAsn | :( |
| 18:51.58 | phrozen77 | http://friendmanagement.com/squeeq/2008/08/26/ihologram-iphone-app-illusion/ |
| 18:51.59 | TAsn | im up for more than 36 hrs straight now. |
| 18:52.00 | phrozen77 | nice^ |
| 18:52.07 | TAsn | phrozen77, yeah. |
| 18:52.13 | TAsn | though that's just a movie |
| 18:52.17 | TAsn | i mean |
| 18:52.22 | TAsn | it's just like a movie |
| 18:52.40 | TAsn | without the move direction of walking it's only a movie. |
| 18:52.48 | TAsn | which is still cool. |
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| 18:53.01 | b0ib0t | i so wish it was friday |
| 18:53.13 | b0ib0t | =/ |
| 18:53.15 | TAsn | b0ib0t, why? |
| 18:53.16 | phrozen77 | doesnt help me |
| 18:53.26 | phrozen77 | my friday is my thursday this week |
| 18:53.27 | phrozen77 | :( |
| 18:53.34 | TAsn | ouch. |
| 18:53.48 | TAsn | i think i will get mine at about the 15th |
| 18:53.50 | phrozen77 | and |
| 18:53.51 | TAsn | which sucks ;( |
| 18:53.55 | phrozen77 | to add insult to the injury |
| 18:53.58 | TAsn | well i really am off. |
| 18:53.59 | phrozen77 | my week started on sunday |
| 18:54.00 | phrozen77 | so... |
| 18:54.42 | tunys | phrozen77: that's more injury to injury |
| 18:55.16 | phrozen77 | indeed |
| 18:55.17 | b0ib0t | TAsn: Been a loooong week |
| 18:55.17 | tunys | you got clubbed in the kneecaps, and now the assailant has decided that you really don't need your eyeballs so much anymore. |
| 18:55.28 | phrozen77 | lmoa |
| 18:55.34 | phrozen77 | s/lmoa/lmao/ |
| 18:55.53 | mickeyl | pjz: pretty well (see ChangeLog) |
| 18:55.58 | b0ib0t | plus its just that much closer to monday ^^ |
| 18:56.14 | mickeyl | i'd say phase 1 will be completed by the end of September |
| 18:56.30 | mickeyl | phase 1 being subsystems: ogsmd, oevents, odeviced, ousaged, opreferences |
| 18:56.33 | mickeyl | ogpr |
| 18:56.36 | mickeyl | err, ogpsd |
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| 19:02.21 | harnir | hello |
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| 19:05.57 | Proton23 | Hi harnir! |
| 19:06.24 | johnsu01 | well, that qtopia binary upgrade script fixed the freezing |
| 19:07.30 | Zorkman | that iphone hologram thing is pretty neat |
| 19:12.45 | b0ib0t | the one with the cat? |
| 19:13.42 | b0ib0t | the only 2 things that i didnt like about that, were when the cats head would clip with the edge of the screen, and when he actually lifted the iphone... |
| 19:13.52 | b0ib0t | when he lifted it, it didnt seem to react quite enough |
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| 19:17.44 | Cew27 | when will the moko be in the uk |
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| 19:20.58 | AntonTakk | anyone have a link to where the commands for installing fixed opkg repo configs for fso are? |
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| 19:25.43 | Zorkman | what is a good signal strenght for GSM reception? |
| 19:25.53 | Zorkman | (in dbM) |
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| 19:26.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r69efd426b275 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (ophoned.py test.py): ophoned: remove remaining LOG statements. We are now LOG-free |
| 19:26.49 | CIA-22 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r661f4fdd2a9e 10/ (ChangeLog framework/config.py): remove LOG compatibility support. We are now fully converted to Python Logging. Closes FSO #26 |
| 19:28.33 | Cew27 | can anyone give me some info on the open moko |
| 19:28.58 | b0ib0t | its an opensource phone |
| 19:29.08 | b0ib0t | even the circuit board and shell are open! |
| 19:29.19 | b0ib0t | they give you the schematics and cad files |
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| 19:29.26 | Cew27 | how functional is it? |
| 19:29.38 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: not that i expect anyone cares, but using an unstable build from a couple days ago, zhone never switches to the ui that lets you answer/hangup/etc a call, sending or receiving |
| 19:29.53 | Cew27 | i want one |
| 19:30.00 | AntonTakk | Cew27: with the right software images, considerably |
| 19:30.00 | b0ib0t | i hear the qt version is good enough to be an "every day phone" |
| 19:30.17 | b0ib0t | i just bought 2 today |
| 19:30.24 | b0ib0t | i cant wait till i have them |
| 19:30.28 | mickeyl | AntonTakk: ok, i need to take a look |
| 19:30.32 | Cew27 | b0ib0t: qt version? i thaught there were only one type |
| 19:30.33 | mickeyl | i have been busy with low level work |
| 19:30.36 | Cew27 | and is there any in the uk |
| 19:31.08 | b0ib0t | well, they have 2 flavours of linux for it... one of them uses QT with xserver, and the other has an interface on top of framebuffer |
| 19:31.19 | b0ib0t | i hear the framebuffer one is buggy b/c it is so early in dev |
| 19:31.24 | AntonTakk | b0ib0t: personally, qtopia just bugs the hell out of me |
| 19:32.01 | lindi- | b0ib0t: wasn't the framebuffer version there first? |
| 19:32.03 | b0ib0t | well, i'm just rattling off what I read... i have no real experience with the phone itsself. i would consider myself a fairly skillful linux user though |
| 19:32.10 | lindi- | b0ib0t: and openmoko ported qtopia to run under X? |
| 19:32.19 | lindi- | b0ib0t: and that port is still ongoing? |
| 19:32.29 | AntonTakk | lindi-: qt was ported to x, as i understand it |
| 19:32.40 | b0ib0t | ah ok |
| 19:32.42 | AntonTakk | lindi-: that is what became the ASU |
| 19:32.56 | Cew27 | b0ib0t: can i buy one now and expect it to be funtional as a phone |
| 19:32.58 | mjr | apparently much of the work was already done at trolltech, but it has appeared to require further work by OM, yes |
| 19:33.07 | AntonTakk | asu = qtopia apps with qt for x |
| 19:33.31 | AntonTakk | Cew27: officially, no, but with the right images, ime, yes |
| 19:33.48 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: what do you mean |
| 19:34.09 | AntonTakk | Cew27: well, the pre-release asu from 7/15 worked very well for me |
| 19:34.27 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: what is asu? |
| 19:34.45 | AntonTakk | Cew27: asu is the code name for pre-release 2008.8 |
| 19:34.46 | Cew27 | i am completely new to the moko i just know its the fossest of all foss phones |
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| 19:35.01 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: if i purchaed one now would it be gtk or qt |
| 19:35.05 | Zorkman | Cew27: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 19:35.18 | AntonTakk | Cew27: dunno, but flashing is fairly easy |
| 19:35.20 | Zorkman | Om 2008.8 is like ASU2 |
| 19:35.38 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: minus reliability, but yes ;) |
| 19:36.01 | Zorkman | Cew27: why chose one? put 2007.2 for example on the flash (that is the oldest but also the most stable) and put another distribution on the SD, trye them all |
| 19:36.01 | Cew27 | you all in the us? |
| 19:36.07 | AntonTakk | i am |
| 19:36.22 | Zorkman | I'm in Europe |
| 19:36.39 | Cew27 | Zorkman: where |
| 19:36.40 | Zorkman | Lot of FR are in europe (too bad we don't know any statistics...) |
| 19:36.48 | Zorkman | Cew27: Belgium |
| 19:36.49 | Cew27 | i want a moko in the uk |
| 19:37.00 | Cew27 | but i want it to work as a phone and be stable |
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| 19:37.02 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: i just don't see how they say 2007.2 is the most stable, phone-kit is nearly always a defunct process and as such can not use it as a phone |
| 19:37.25 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: opinions differ... 2008.8 doesn't work as a phone for me... |
| 19:37.34 | Zorkman | PIN-dialog issues, not being able to call out... |
| 19:37.40 | Zorkman | for stability you need FSO |
| 19:37.51 | b0ib0t | but there is a stable option |
| 19:37.51 | Cew27 | from what i hear openmoko needs alot of work |
| 19:37.51 | Zorkman | but it's still lacking a lot of features |
| 19:37.56 | Zorkman | I'm looking forward to milestone 3 |
| 19:38.02 | b0ib0t | it has the capability to be a stable every day phone yes? |
| 19:38.03 | AntonTakk | i wouldn't use a released 2008.8 either, some of the daily unstables thou.... :) |
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| 19:38.39 | AntonTakk | b0ib0t: ime, with fso milestone 2, yes, if you don't mind minimal functionality phone-wise |
| 19:39.02 | Zorkman | right now I updated and it seems that 2007.2 doesn't give me sound input/output anymore when calling :( probably something b0rked when upgrading |
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| 19:39.21 | AntonTakk | now, qtopia is more complete, but it bugs me to much, to many *stupid* bugs |
| 19:39.59 | AntonTakk | like you can't exit the media player, and if you kill the process, it continues playing the music :) |
| 19:40.29 | Cew27 | sighs, if it inst stable dont release it as a finsished product, i dont know what moko have done but from what i know it appears that way |
| 19:41.16 | Zorkman | bah, we knew software was still in development phase when we bought it, I don't complain about software exept when there is working software and they remove it :) |
| 19:41.38 | AntonTakk | Cew27: if you take the time to read it is posted all over that the software is getting there but really isn't quite ready |
| 19:41.41 | Zorkman | but I do care about the hardware bugs :( that gsm buzz has to go |
| 19:41.52 | Cew27 | Zorkman: but the phone aspects of it should be absolute top priority |
| 19:42.19 | Zorkman | Cew27: I know I know... basic phone + suspen/resume that's were all the software effort should go to... |
| 19:42.24 | AntonTakk | Cew27: the use fos ms2, you get simcontacts and can almost always make and receive calls |
| 19:42.36 | AntonTakk | fso* |
| 19:43.00 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: i dont understand lol |
| 19:43.11 | AntonTakk | Cew27: and if you can't make and receive calls, a reboot fixes it 99.9% of the time |
| 19:43.40 | Cew27 | my point is when you start a product like this get the platform down, then the phone features like send/recieve calls and sms |
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| 19:43.43 | jucs | Yes, the hardware bugs are a problem :-( |
| 19:43.45 | Cew27 | then go into media player |
| 19:43.48 | Cew27 | and web browser |
| 19:44.14 | AntonTakk | Cew27: and that (i believe) is what the fso is about |
| 19:44.26 | Cew27 | AntonTakk: what is fso |
| 19:44.41 | jucs | I'm not sure if they'll ever be able to eliminate the buzzing sound or the echo completely via software.... probably not.... |
| 19:44.44 | AntonTakk | Cew27: one of the 50 bajillion software stacks |
| 19:45.19 | AntonTakk | Cew27: one sec |
| 19:45.25 | Zorkman | Cew27: you really should browse that distribution page I sent you... there is a menu with all the distributions |
| 19:45.50 | Zorkman | jucs: I think they can do it for the echo (it worked for me with some alsamixer tweaking) but the buzz... |
| 19:46.20 | Cew27 | so fso is the phone parts of it |
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| 19:46.34 | AntonTakk | Cew27: fso is the future phone parts |
| 19:46.34 | jucs | A friend says it would probably be possible to filter out the buzz frequencies.... but I'm not so sure about that... |
| 19:47.32 | jucs | And first of all, those issues really have to be eliminated for the GTA03... |
| 19:47.32 | Zorkman | jucs: joerg is on it (and he seems a VERY capabable guy) but even he doesn't have good faith in it it seems... |
| 19:47.37 | RedFlash | hi .. i just installed asu update on my freerunner. lots of improvments there, but i don't like the keyboard. I realy liked the Multitab board in om2007.2 . So i decided to install the "old" multitab keyboard and disable the new one. worked fine there, but now i not able to type all letters. means only the first one is used, and if i type twice on (example ) 2 i get 'a' instead of 'b' |
| 19:47.51 | Zorkman | he has a work-around with desoldering things and adding some shielding, but it isn't something we can do |
| 19:47.55 | RedFlash | does anyone know something about this problem ? |
| 19:48.13 | Zorkman | RedFlash: no; file a bug report |
| 19:48.43 | jucs | Zorkman: I think I've read about the hardware workarounds; but that's impossible for me... |
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| 19:49.22 | Cew27 | will purchase one immidiately if someine links him to a saleplace in the uk |
| 19:49.33 | Zorkman | jucs: it's impossible for everyone, even joerg said it was VERY diffucult |
| 19:50.02 | Zorkman | Cew27: https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko |
| 19:50.11 | jucs | https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko |
| 19:50.14 | jucs | Ah :-D |
| 19:50.16 | jucs | Faster :-P |
| 19:50.20 | Zorkman | I win and get the percentage ;-) |
| 19:50.36 | jucs | Yes, I think so :-( |
| 19:52.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r194e51a97a45 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add numptyphysics (ugly ugly build), an insanely cool crayon game |
| 19:52.32 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re84c435b8833 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build |
| 19:52.33 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * radcb6969b244 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3 |
| 19:52.34 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9cb97f56c64d 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add numptyphysics_setup.tgz checksums.. |
| 19:52.37 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra3a55ed1f300 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it |
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| 19:52.40 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * reed7d28dbc8b 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file |
| 19:52.43 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7fe654a687fa 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases |
| 19:52.46 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r5853d42a4906 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info |
| 19:52.49 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc099032cdc39 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info |
| 19:52.52 | Zorkman | lol: "numptyphysics (ugly ugly build)" |
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| 19:57.16 | Cew27 | whats the debug board |
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| 19:59.30 | Zorkman | Cew27: exaclty what it the name implies :) |
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| 19:59.52 | mmontour | Cew27: it lets you connect to the phone's serial console and JTAG port, and is required to update the recovery bootloader in NOR flash. |
| 20:00.03 | Zorkman | Cew27: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 |
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| 20:00.33 | Cew27 | why do they charge more for a debug board |
| 20:00.45 | Zorkman | ?? |
| 20:00.48 | mmontour | hardware ain't free. Most people don't need the debug board. |
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| 20:00.52 | Zorkman | they probably charge more for a phone AND a debug board |
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| 20:01.07 | Zorkman | the debug board is certainly cheaper then the phone |
| 20:01.31 | Cew27 | oh debug board is in the phone? |
| 20:01.47 | Zorkman | Cew27: really, you need to get used to reading the wiki :) |
| 20:01.58 | Zorkman | it's not in the phone it's an extra |
| 20:02.08 | Zorkman | it's...a little PCB with chips on it |
| 20:02.18 | Zorkman | you can connect the phone to the debugboard |
| 20:02.29 | Zorkman | if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it |
| 20:02.42 | Zorkman | you can devellop and write programs for the phone withouth the board and |
| 20:02.53 | Zorkman | if you only want to "use" the phone you also don't need it |
| 20:03.08 | Cew27 | Zorkman: could i use it for bug tracking |
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| 20:04.32 | Zorkman | Cew27: for kernel debugging: yes |
| 20:05.06 | Zorkman | you can also halt the processor whenever you want |
| 20:05.57 | Cew27 | Zorkman: well there in the uk in 3 weeks |
| 20:06.23 | Zorkman | nice |
| 20:06.36 | Zorkman | (there are also other european distributors if you are interested you can find them on openmoko.com) |
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| 20:06.58 | Zorkman | g2g now, welcome to the community, hope you'll have fun :) |
| 20:07.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r86f7e966a826 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add numptyphysics (ugly ugly build), an insanely cool crayon game |
| 20:07.01 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf9108192d50d 10/packages/numptyphysics/numptyphysics_svn.bb: numptyphysics: Add -lX11 to LDOPTS to fix build |
| 20:07.02 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra08bdd783428 10/packages/numptyphysics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): numptyphysics: add patch to build it with gcc 4.3 |
| 20:07.03 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra837f5465961 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add numptyphysics_setup.tgz checksums.. |
| 20:07.06 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra46d5a10a6c3 10/packages/hal/hal_0.5.9.bb: [hal] Remove commented out things we have a SCM to recover it |
| 20:07.09 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r789da5442411 10/packages/hal/ (hal.inc hal_0.5.9.bb): [hal] Move almost everything into the hal.inc file |
| 20:07.12 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7512ba68a584 10/packages/hal/ (hal-info.inc hal-info_20070618.bb hal-info_20080313.bb): [hal] Create hal-info.inc and share it with the releases |
| 20:07.15 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r018b34153134 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [hal] Add latest hal and hal-info |
| 20:07.18 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r9a936ae74765 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build hal 0.5.11 and recent hal-info |
| 20:08.55 | admiral0 | hi |
| 20:09.09 | admiral0 | the wrench of illume-config is missing |
| 20:09.27 | admiral0 | and i've already deleted ~/.e |
| 20:09.42 | Zorkman | admiral0: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1863 |
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| 20:11.44 | lpotter | AntonTakk: mediaplayer was designed that way. thats not a bug |
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| 20:13.32 | AntonTakk | the media player was designed to not be closeable? |
| 20:13.48 | Zorkman | lol lpotter, you can't be serious :) |
| 20:14.31 | Cew27 | does the freerunner have gps |
| 20:14.37 | AntonTakk | yes |
| 20:14.54 | Cew27 | so i can use it as satnav |
| 20:15.14 | AntonTakk | you'll want to pre-download maps, but yeah |
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| 20:15.56 | Cew27 | sweet |
| 20:17.46 | henkie | is there a netstumbler for the FR? |
| 20:17.59 | Zorkman | can anyone help me with a terminal command? |
| 20:18.08 | Zorkman | how do I put the output of "logread" in a file? |
| 20:18.13 | henkie | Zorkman, ls! |
| 20:18.26 | Zorkman | ls is to list the directory, no? |
| 20:18.29 | henkie | uh? commd > file |
| 20:18.41 | henkie | or use >> for appending |
| 20:18.46 | Zorkman | aha, knew it was something with > but thought it needed more syntax :) |
| 20:18.47 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: usually $COMMAND$ > file.txt |
| 20:18.54 | henkie | command | tee file |
| 20:18.58 | henkie | also works |
| 20:19.05 | Zorkman | thx |
| 20:19.36 | henkie | depends use: command 2&>1 file for also capturing the stderr |
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| 20:21.20 | Cew27 | how thick is the free runner |
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| 20:21.59 | wyeager | as thick as my ring finger |
| 20:22.19 | swc|666 | about 1/4 thick as my... |
| 20:22.27 | ssweeny | |--------| <-- this thick (not to scale) |
| 20:22.51 | henkie | thick enough, but not to thick |
| 20:22.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re27e43ee0f67 10/packages/openmoko-projects/tichy_svn.bb: [tichy] Apply Charlie's change |
| 20:22.55 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rd1f2140223e6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [tichy] Bump up the revision of tichy to 180 |
| 20:22.56 | CIA-22 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r791ce419291a 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] Add tichy to openmoko-feed |
| 20:22.59 | henkie | somewhere in the middle |
| 20:22.59 | tuXXX | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
| 20:23.32 | Zorkman | Cew27: it's thiker than the iphone for example, but it lies extremely well in your hand and I really like the soft finish |
| 20:23.59 | lpotter | AntonTakk: as far as I know, yes |
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| 20:25.39 | Zorkman | lpotter: can you give us a reason? because you have to admit that this does sound VERY crazy without an explanation... |
| 20:28.37 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: crazy wouldn't be my word, but for the sake of hospitality i'll stop there :) |
| 20:29.21 | Zorkman | don't get me wrong, I don't mean to insult anyone, just pointing out that I don't understand the descision (but maybe I will when I know the reason) |
| 20:30.06 | lpotter | at least i think its by design |
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| 20:30.59 | Zorkman | lpotter: I think Openmokos and Qtopias design team eat the same food :o) |
| 20:31.13 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: laced with crack? |
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| 20:32.23 | Zorkman | crack? hell no! it has to be something 100x stonger :) |
| 20:32.43 | AntonTakk | crystal meth? |
| 20:34.07 | AntonTakk | maybe one cut with the other? |
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| 20:34.33 | Zorkman | thats more like it... |
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| 20:35.04 | AntonTakk | any of you using a recent image that seems reliable? |
| 20:35.28 | Zorkman | 2007.2's GSM is still constantly re-registering... how the hell is it possible they putting stuff like the "12-hour format clock" on the priority list for 2008.9..... |
| 20:35.39 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: there is no reliable image :( |
| 20:35.41 | Zorkman | maybe FSO |
| 20:35.47 | Zorkman | i'm hoping for mileston3 |
| 20:37.18 | AntonTakk | me too |
| 20:37.41 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: know of a 2007.2 build that would successfully register? |
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| 20:37.57 | Zorkman | yeah, I have a fully upgraded one |
| 20:37.58 | Zorkman | it registers, |
| 20:38.04 | Zorkman | but re-registers ever few minutes... |
| 20:38.13 | AntonTakk | can reliably make calls/etc? |
| 20:38.18 | Zorkman | extremely annoying |
| 20:38.27 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: not while you are re-registering... |
| 20:38.33 | Zorkman | it also b0rks suspend |
| 20:38.33 | AntonTakk | well duh |
| 20:38.44 | Zorkman | everytime you re-register the phone awakens |
| 20:38.46 | AntonTakk | i don't trust suspend anyways |
| 20:38.57 | Zorkman | if we want some battery life.. |
| 20:39.09 | AntonTakk | yeah, i meant at this point |
| 20:39.45 | AntonTakk | tbh, i do think fso is our best hope, and it is shaping up nicely |
| 20:40.04 | AntonTakk | i just wish I was a better coder so I could make some half-decent apps for it |
| 20:40.22 | Zorkman | same here... |
| 20:40.58 | AntonTakk | do contacts with evo-data-server back end, a today app that displays upcoming calendar/etc as well as missed calls, sms |
| 20:41.17 | AntonTakk | actually, i kinda like htc's home plugin for win mobile |
| 20:41.41 | jucs | The suspend breaks sound, wlan and so on.... unusable yet :-P |
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| 20:42.00 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: which image did you flash 2007.2 from? |
| 20:42.05 | AntonTakk | got a link? |
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| 20:42.11 | jucs | Anyway, I hope that'll work soon :-P |
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| 20:43.30 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: long while ago... |
| 20:43.42 | Zorkman | somewhere in July 20? |
| 20:43.43 | AntonTakk | before buildhost borkage? |
| 20:44.00 | AntonTakk | did it constantly re-register then? |
| 20:44.13 | Zorkman | yes |
| 20:44.34 | Zorkman | but I haven't used GSM much because the buzzing sound.. some people won't call me because of this.. |
| 20:44.51 | AntonTakk | i have never had much buzzing, if any |
| 20:45.13 | AntonTakk | tried a grounding strap lately? ;) |
| 20:46.18 | Zorkman | I never have the buzzing, but people on the other side have... |
| 20:47.18 | AntonTakk | yeah, people i talk to don't seemt o hear it much if at all |
| 20:48.13 | jucs | Cool, I didn't know the NDAd documentation for the GSM chip has leaked out :-D |
| 20:48.22 | AntonTakk | hrm, need to pull the fso ringtone before I flash this |
| 20:49.09 | AntonTakk | cause i *love* the fso ringtone |
| 20:49.09 | AntonTakk | :) |
| 20:49.09 | lindi- | AntonTakk: the non-free ringtone? |
| 20:49.10 | AntonTakk | lindi-: dunno? talking about the sid file? |
| 20:49.11 | lindi- | AntonTakk: yep |
| 20:49.22 | AntonTakk | i thought it came from the hvsc? |
| 20:49.30 | AntonTakk | and was therefore free to use? |
| 20:50.03 | lindi- | AntonTakk: it can't be distributed commercially |
| 20:50.16 | dbenoy | bluez gives me the blues |
| 20:50.53 | dbenoy | They changed the API you use to talk to bluetooth keyboards three times. First it was hidd, then a 'input device' d-bus interface, and now they completely scrapped d-bus |
| 20:50.59 | dbenoy | And it's god knows what now. |
| 20:51.27 | AntonTakk | lindi-: good thing the images are free software ;) |
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| 20:52.14 | mjr | except for the sid file, which is kinda the point |
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| 21:00.20 | Dave | Lpotter :) |
| 21:01.32 | fale_ | good morning hipitihop |
| 21:01.59 | hipitihop | faern, good morning, how's things in your world ? |
| 21:02.01 | Dave | heh |
| 21:02.17 | hipitihop | waves good morning to all |
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| 21:03.07 | Dave | Hello HippityHop |
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| 21:05.17 | Zorkman | how do you force the pin dialog? |
| 21:05.42 | Dave | :D |
| 21:05.45 | Dave | READ THE WIKI :) |
| 21:05.48 | AntonTakk | waves his hand slowly at the freerunner "this is a sim card you need a pin for" |
| 21:05.49 | Zorkman | Dave: playing the game bug-report is FUN! (not!) |
| 21:06.03 | ieatlint | the wiki says you suck |
| 21:06.04 | Dave | :D |
| 21:06.11 | Dave | All signs point to Yes. |
| 21:06.16 | Zorkman | i googled and couldn't find it... |
| 21:06.27 | Dave | The source is weak with this one :) |
| 21:06.30 | ieatlint | just file random bug reports |
| 21:06.39 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 21:06.56 | Zorkman | ieatlint: 90% chanse it's a valid bug report, even if it is random :) |
| 21:06.59 | AntonTakk | new bug report "Its not working!" |
| 21:07.13 | Zorkman | new bug report: this is not a valid bug |
| 21:08.06 | Dave | new bug report, question mark. |
| 21:08.13 | ieatlint | "Phone makes calls when number is dialed" |
| 21:08.24 | ieatlint | then close the bug report and say "oh whoops, nm" |
| 21:08.43 | Zorkman | maybe this is some kind of chinese fingertrap |
| 21:08.52 | Zorkman | the fun is in being stuck and not being able to do anything.. |
| 21:09.12 | hipitihop | did dave say "the force is weak" ? flashes of star wars somewhere long long ago |
| 21:09.15 | ieatlint | sounds like you have a girlfriend |
| 21:09.21 | Dave | :D |
| 21:09.33 | Dave | ieatlint, heh heh |
| 21:09.41 | Dave | He's ready for stage two, already! |
| 21:10.20 | Dave | Zorkman, speaking of which, I have a better game for you, if you're bored. |
| 21:10.28 | Zorkman | gimmegimmegimme ;-) |
| 21:10.31 | Dave | It's called, predict where lazylulu will be next :p |
| 21:10.38 | Zorkman | :D :D |
| 21:10.40 | Dave | I mean, who is this person, and where the fuck are they going!? |
| 21:10.44 | Zorkman | didn't check on her today! |
| 21:10.51 | Mononoke | stupid question but does iwlist scan work atm ? |
| 21:10.51 | Zorkman | to you!!! |
| 21:10.52 | Dave | One minute they're in one state, the next they're completely in another. |
| 21:11.03 | Zorkman | Mononoke: YES IT WORKS USE IT WHILE IT LASTS |
| 21:11.04 | Dave | Well, I mean, clearly they are stalking me! |
| 21:11.13 | Dave | Mononoke :D |
| 21:11.15 | Mononoke | Zorkman: ... |
| 21:11.24 | Dave | Zorkman, kind of like my expertise? :\ |
| 21:11.27 | Zorkman | Mononoke: i actually thought that as quite funny :( |
| 21:11.31 | Dave | (after lulu assassinates me) |
| 21:11.39 | Dave | s/after/until/ |
| 21:12.09 | Zorkman | Maybe she is using OSM, than we can redraw some road so she can't reach you! |
| 21:12.13 | Zorkman | that would be a fun game :p |
| 21:12.23 | Zorkman | we need to get her into an endless loop (are there other?) |
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| 21:12.59 | Dave | hahaha |
| 21:13.03 | Dave | cool |
| 21:13.06 | Dave | How do we play? |
| 21:13.12 | Dave | What are the rules? |
| 21:13.20 | Dave | Am I permitted to cheat? >:) |
| 21:13.49 | Dave | Does the winner get to party with lint? :P |
| 21:14.09 | Zorkman | of course! |
| 21:14.25 | Zorkman | sec, attaching some files to bug reports: ) |
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| 21:14.59 | Dave | haha |
| 21:15.06 | Dave | /dev/urandom |
| 21:15.27 | Dave | cat /dev/urandom > /etc/fstab~ |
| 21:15.40 | Dave | Hey look, openmoko corrupted my partition table :P |
| 21:15.41 | Dave | *cough* |
| 21:15.44 | Mononoke | hopes that he's asking last stupid question today "is there drawing application for openmoko, something like *erhm* mspaint?" |
| 21:16.03 | Zorkman | you can draw in xournal |
| 21:16.03 | Dave | ... and I just happen to be submitting it with this bugreport :P |
| 21:16.18 | Dave | was xournal, merged into main yet? |
| 21:16.18 | Zorkman | and there is another.. mtpaint or something.. there were some screens on scap.linuxtogo.org on that.. |
| 21:16.24 | Dave | I thought xora said he was going to do that. |
| 21:16.41 | Zorkman | dunno, I installed it from some blogthingy i think |
| 21:16.47 | Dave | -_- |
| 21:16.53 | Dave | whore :p |
| 21:17.04 | Zorkman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.20 | Zorkman | you've just gotta like those names... |
| 21:17.29 | Zorkman | rebooting |
| 21:17.38 | Zorkman | dave: do you use GSM in your 2007.2? |
| 21:17.46 | jucs | Hey.... do you think that a Mini-USB-Headset would eliminate echo and gsm interference? |
| 21:18.06 | Zorkman | gsminterference: no way; echo...dunno |
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| 21:18.27 | Zorkman | gsminteference can be manupilated with a normal headset though |
| 21:18.33 | jucs | Zorkman: But the gsminterference is connected to the audio jack, and I would not use it anymore... |
| 21:18.41 | Zorkman | (or with a hammer...) |
| 21:19.31 | Zorkman | dave: someone got an ungly version of xmoto running btw |
| 21:19.55 | Dave | Zorkman yeah |
| 21:20.00 | Dave | xmoto? o_O |
| 21:20.03 | Dave | hah |
| 21:20.09 | Dave | Zorkman, hot |
| 21:20.25 | Dave | all I know is my phone destroys nearby electronics devices occasionally |
| 21:20.45 | Dave | and I should never charge it on the same bus with my work computer :D |
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| 21:21.02 | Dave | things have a tendency to explode |
| 21:21.12 | Zorkman | dave: does it also always reregisters? |
| 21:21.17 | Dave | no |
| 21:21.31 | Dave | It registers quite often, but degregisters frequently :| |
| 21:21.46 | Dave | When you first turn it on, it always registers, great |
| 21:22.04 | Dave | oh and bringing the gsm antenna down then up seems to typically force it into reregistering with the network |
| 21:22.07 | Dave | it's odd though :| |
| 21:22.10 | Dave | and stupid/annoying |
| 21:22.30 | Zorkman | yeah same here |
| 21:22.36 | Dave | what's weird is that for about the first or second week I had the phone |
| 21:22.39 | Zorkman | I filed a bug :p (well, i added myself to it :)) |
| 21:22.46 | Dave | using 2007.2 from way back then, it never deregistered |
| 21:22.51 | Dave | in that it was ALWAYS connected |
| 21:22.58 | Dave | and deregistered maybe once every two days |
| 21:23.05 | hipitihop | Dave, is that gta01 or gta02 |
| 21:23.07 | Dave | but now it's all fucky... so I'm not sure what happened :\ |
| 21:23.14 | Dave | hippityhop, gta02s all the way, baby. |
| 21:23.55 | jucs | Zorkman: Why should the interference also affect digitally connected headsets? (via bluetooth/usb) |
| 21:24.44 | Zorkman | jucs: the interference is caused/works on a pin of the headset connector |
| 21:25.00 | ShellEvil | Which gets into the audio mixer. |
| 21:25.02 | jucs | Yes, but with no headset connected there shouldn't be a problem? |
| 21:25.02 | Zorkman | not via usb/bluetooth, but the jack to insert it to |
| 21:25.05 | ShellEvil | By the backdoor. |
| 21:25.15 | jucs | hmm... |
| 21:25.29 | Zorkman | yes jucs: even withouth headset there is interference (not always and not everyone has it it seems) |
| 21:25.33 | jucs | I mean, there's no interference in handset mode... |
| 21:25.36 | Dave | Zorkman Last Seen: 2008-08-27 22:45 |
| 21:25.39 | Dave | heeheehee :) |
| 21:25.42 | Dave | Hey jucs! |
| 21:25.42 | Zorkman | jucs: lucky you |
| 21:25.44 | jucs | At least not that bad... |
| 21:25.46 | jucs | Hey Dave! |
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| 21:26.00 | Dave | imma look for jucs on the map now, too :) |
| 21:26.12 | jucs | :-D |
| 21:27.31 | Dave | woot |
| 21:27.37 | netx303 | i too have a problem with reregistering awaking the phone from suspend |
| 21:27.43 | Dave | Jucs Last Seen: 2008-08-25 20:19 |
| 21:27.56 | Dave | Distance: 6517.005km :\ |
| 21:27.58 | netx303 | using om2007.2 with latest opkg updates |
| 21:28.00 | jucs | *lol* |
| 21:28.04 | Dave | looks like I'm not going to walk, anyway :| |
| 21:28.12 | jucs | Dave, sorry, but I'll update me sometime soon :-P |
| 21:28.16 | Zorkman | netx303: searh the buglist and add it to it |
| 21:28.17 | Dave | :D |
| 21:28.22 | Dave | jucs, will you be any closer? ;) |
| 21:28.45 | netx303 | also, anyone having problems with initial registration? |
| 21:28.46 | Dave | netx303: I don't believe that's been fixed yet, sorry. |
| 21:28.48 | jucs | Think so^^ I think the last time I updated I didn't have a fix... |
| 21:28.54 | Dave | I still experience the same thing too. |
| 21:28.54 | jucs | Well, maybe not closer anyway... |
| 21:28.57 | Infoport | hiya Dave! I had a problem with taking a long time to register, re-registering, etc, and it went away with a different SIM (except it still frequently re-registers, but quickly) |
| 21:29.05 | Dave | jucs, bah :p |
| 21:29.06 | netx303 | when i initially start up, the phone will not auto-register |
| 21:29.21 | Dave | Infoport, bah. |
| 21:29.30 | Dave | netx303: That's strange. |
| 21:29.32 | Zorkman | netx303: haven't heard that on (not auto-register) PLEASE file a bug |
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| 21:29.43 | Infoport | Dave I had an AT&T sim that apparently had the contacts printed too close to the edge (and the tab on the holder touched) |
| 21:29.46 | Dave | Yeah, there's all this fucking mystery surrounding SIM compatibility. |
| 21:29.54 | netx303 | but if i open libgsmd-tool -m shell, when i give the O command, it gives me "Modem power-up failed: 10" |
| 21:29.54 | Dave | haha |
| 21:30.11 | Dave | Infoport, haha, fun. |
| 21:30.25 | Dave | :) |
| 21:30.25 | rooly | whew |
| 21:30.29 | rooly | school is "fun" |
| 21:30.34 | Dave | I too dislike the loading mechanisms. |
| 21:30.37 | Dave | rooly, uh huh |
| 21:30.38 | Dave | :p |
| 21:30.39 | netx303 | using the O command non-deterministically gives the error with probability .9, successful probability .1 |
| 21:30.59 | Infoport | Dave well I've read that it was a defective SIM, and it looked true to me-- those 71234G3022 sims were printed right at the edge |
| 21:30.59 | jucs | Zorkman: But the gsm interference problem is connected to the audio device of the freerunner and to the gsm device? I'm confused... |
| 21:31.05 | Proton23 | Hi it's me again |
| 21:31.07 | netx303 | once the O command succeeds, the registration command works correctly |
| 21:31.08 | Zorkman | netx303: please add that info also to your bug report |
| 21:31.21 | jucs | By completely disable the sound device, how could the interference survive? |
| 21:31.26 | jucs | disabling* |
| 21:31.35 | netx303 | Zorkman: ok |
| 21:31.41 | jucs | and not* |
| 21:31.49 | Proton23 | What do I have to change to emulate another image than the old qtopia one? |
| 21:31.55 | Infoport | Dave so mine at least was a badly printed one, not just a flavor of compatibility. But it was working (sometimes* so I didnt figure it out at first |
| 21:32.08 | Dave | yep |
| 21:32.15 | Dave | some people had similar issues |
| 21:32.15 | Zorkman | Dave: can I force it to reregister? |
| 21:32.20 | Dave | they had to get a new one |
| 21:32.37 | Dave | Zorkman, bring down the gsm antenna, then bring it back up twenty or thirty seconds later maybe? |
| 21:32.43 | Dave | I don't know, it seems to work for me sometimes. |
| 21:32.53 | Zorkman | jucs: because they apperntly can't physically isolate the audio subsystem |
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| 21:32.59 | Dave | oh and not having huge magnets around it seems to help too :) |
| 21:33.17 | jucs | Zorkman: But it's only about the audio signal... |
| 21:33.36 | jucs | Zorkman: If the audio is turned off in alsa mixer, there's absolutly no interference... |
| 21:33.41 | Dave | jucs, were you near München? |
| 21:33.49 | jucs | Dave: Yes |
| 21:33.51 | Dave | :D |
| 21:34.12 | AntonTakk | ok, upgrading 2007.2 from 04/2008 :) |
| 21:34.15 | jucs | Zorkman: Try killing the sound system while you're on call and you'll have silence... |
| 21:34.32 | Dave | or just, /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop |
| 21:34.33 | Dave | :P |
| 21:34.38 | jucs | Dave: Yes |
| 21:34.46 | Dave | Furthermore, why would you do that? |
| 21:34.51 | Dave | To fuck with people? |
| 21:34.58 | Dave | Evil germans! >:) |
| 21:35.04 | Dave | naughty naughty... |
| 21:35.14 | jucs | Additionally, if the gsm signal itself was interfered, GPRS would never work and you also shouldn't be able to register to the network... |
| 21:35.18 | Zorkman | jucs: the interference is NOT on my side, the other person hears it |
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| 21:35.31 | Dave | cool |
| 21:35.37 | netx303 | does anyone know if these registration difficulties exist in OM2008.8? |
| 21:35.40 | Dave | gives DaMaestro a sandwich |
| 21:35.42 | jucs | Zorkman: Turning off your audio kills the interference on the other side... |
| 21:35.47 | Zorkman | jucs: I don't understand what you are trying to say... I never used the headset during a call and I've had the interference, so have the openmoko hardware team |
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| 21:36.07 | Zorkman | but turning of audio, that is not a real option when calling, no? |
| 21:36.14 | Dave | jucs, so then it's [the issue] likely located in the audio subsystem. |
| 21:36.16 | Dave | Wonderful. |
| 21:36.22 | Dave | Zorkman, correct. |
| 21:36.29 | Dave | At least you have a good idea of where it exists then. |
| 21:36.30 | Dave | :) |
| 21:36.40 | paroneayea | hm. Earlier raster told me that part of the reason 1973 users are in the minority is that only ~1000 of them were sold worldwide... about how many freerunners have been sold? does anyone know? |
| 21:36.48 | Zorkman | jucs: Joerg has already said they found the cause and it's a pin of the headsetplug |
| 21:36.53 | jucs | Zorkman: I'm trying to say that for my opinion the hardware problem is in reading sound data from the sound device, while sending data through gsm works fine... |
| 21:37.10 | Dave | Jucs, what's München like? Is there anything interesting to do there? :) |
| 21:37.17 | johngay | I just got my Phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:37.20 | Zorkman | jucs: i agree this seems the case, but this doesn't help us does it? |
| 21:37.24 | paroneayea | johngay: congrats! |
| 21:37.24 | jucs | Zorkman: Yes, but this is argument for me... |
| 21:37.37 | Zorkman | gogogog johngay!!!!!!!! |
| 21:38.04 | hipitihop | congratulates johngay |
| 21:38.07 | jucs | Zorkman: It does - if I use a completely external sound device, like an Bluetooth headset, how could there be any interference than? |
| 21:38.19 | netx303 | the OM2008.8 web site seems to have lots of scary bugs listed, like "cannot use SMS" and other seemingly major problems |
| 21:38.22 | jucs | Dave: It's a nice city :-P Quite clean^^ |
| 21:38.34 | netx303 | are these problems common, or do they affect only a few people? |
| 21:38.35 | Zorkman | you're right, there probably will be none |
| 21:38.37 | johngay | I imagine the first thing is to fully charge the battery. |
| 21:38.43 | Zorkman | but I don't want to use it that way... |
| 21:38.48 | Zorkman | jup |
| 21:39.01 | Zorkman | use the wallcharger, only 2hr to fully charge it |
| 21:39.26 | Infoport | johngay, YEA!!! goodbye frustration of waiting, hello wrestling bits! |
| 21:39.59 | jucs | Zorkman: That's a different problem - for me, talking through a miniUSB-Headset is much better than not talking at all :-P |
| 21:40.22 | johngay | Shame it's too big for the watch pocket on my levi's /-: |
| 21:40.37 | Zorkman | true jucs: but that way it will still be a non-usable GSM to me |
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| 21:40.55 | Infoport | Zorkma I think even less than that, maybe 1.5 hours will wallcharger |
| 21:40.56 | Dave | Jucs :) |
| 21:40.58 | Zorkman | Dave: I think lazy lulu will go back to her lair, near philly, to restock ammo and fuel |
| 21:41.05 | Dave | really? |
| 21:41.07 | Dave | oh snaps |
| 21:41.10 | Dave | I better prepare then! |
| 21:41.11 | jucs | Zorkman: Right, but at the moment I take 2 mobiles with me, that sucks a bit :-p |
| 21:41.12 | Zorkman | I think 1.2hrs :p |
| 21:41.14 | Dave | :O |
| 21:41.19 | paroneayea | johngay: that's why one should only buy pants with pockets big enough to fit a small loaf of bread |
| 21:41.21 | paroneayea | :) |
| 21:41.27 | Dave | Chox: ETA to BBQ? |
| 21:41.36 | jucs | Dave: :-P |
| 21:41.38 | Zorkman | lol |
| 21:42.11 | Zorkman | gonna power down phone again and remove sim :( |
| 21:42.32 | Zorkman | exwternal accessible SIM/SD card would be nice :) |
| 21:43.25 | jucs | Zorkman: Yes, and a reset button would also be fine... |
| 21:43.29 | Infoport | I don't mind the SIM being inside, but definitely would appreciate an external SD slot |
| 21:43.47 | Dave | Indeed! |
| 21:43.52 | Dave | Dual external slot loaders! |
| 21:43.54 | Dave | woo |
| 21:43.56 | paroneayea | http://o-hand.com/ congrats to the open hand folks! |
| 21:44.43 | Zorkman | and a game to play or something else to do while it is booting :) |
| 21:44.58 | Zorkman | what about a philosophical statement evertime the phone boots? |
| 21:45.04 | Zorkman | or a good joke... |
| 21:45.14 | Zorkman | always a random joke from a text file... i'dd like that |
| 21:46.27 | jucs | Zorkman: Or some story, you'll probably have enough time to read half a boot while booting... |
| 21:46.35 | Zorkman | :) |
| 21:46.37 | Dave | Are we being existential about the gsm modem now? |
| 21:46.40 | Dave | geeze :p |
| 21:46.43 | jucs | book* |
| 21:46.45 | jucs | :-D |
| 21:47.00 | Zorkman | haha, I removed my sim, booted the phone, 2007.2 starts up AND..... I RECIEVE AN SMS! |
| 21:47.11 | Dave | IMPOSSIBLE! |
| 21:47.26 | paroneayea | Zorkman: whut?? |
| 21:47.36 | Zorkman | maybe it's my moko become sentient :) |
| 21:47.40 | jucs | *loool* |
| 21:47.55 | Infoport | sometimes a forced reboot causes my FR to repeat a message as if I hadnt gotten it yet (SMS, missed call,etc) |
| 21:47.55 | Zorkman | lol, there are TWO unread messages |
| 21:48.19 | Zorkman | one from my current girfriend and one from my x :-O |
| 21:48.23 | Zorkman | x=ex |
| 21:48.25 | jucs | My freerunner always keeps repeating the missed calls... |
| 21:48.32 | Infoport | maybe the message is "Put the damn SIM back" ;-) |
| 21:48.45 | jucs | :-D |
| 21:48.57 | Zorkman | no, she hates to call the FR :) |
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| 21:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | <Zorkman> I think 1.2hrs :p // Nope, as we switch from CC to CV charging at the end of charge. So it slows down |
| 21:49.21 | jucs | *loool* How strange... |
| 21:49.35 | Infoport | Zorkman whew! I thought maybe you were dating the letter X from Reading Rainbow or some other kids show :P |
| 21:49.44 | jucs | All the people I've met love it to call the FR... |
| 21:49.47 | Zorkman | ah, thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 21:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 21:49.59 | jucs | They always ask if I'm some kind of in war or so... |
| 21:50.06 | Dave | Joerg! |
| 21:50.14 | jucs | in* |
| 21:50.38 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: I want to send you my phone and then you can magically make it better :D |
| 21:50.48 | johngay | Guess now I need to figure out how to actually use this thing (-= |
| 21:50.58 | Zorkman | everybody :P |
| 21:51.11 | Infoport | "and knowing is half the battle..." |
| 21:53.03 | sirkha_top | is illume being mainly developed on projects.openmoko.org? or somewhere else? |
| 21:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: (GSM_noise issue) the small spring inside the plastic of hs-jack isn't shielded and catches RF. this RF spreads all over the PCB and induces noise. |
| 21:54.57 | johngay | OK, how do I check the battery charge? |
| 21:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: of course noise is introduced on the analog path somewhere |
| 21:55.44 | jucs | DocScrutinizer: What do you think about a miniUSB/bluetooth headset? |
| 21:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is a miniUSB/bluetooth hs? |
| 21:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | use a normal bt hs and connect it to builtin BT??? |
| 21:56.56 | Dave | :D |
| 21:56.59 | jucs | miniUSB: A headset connected through USB; bluetooth: A headset connected through bluetooth... |
| 21:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | shuld be pretty easy |
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| 21:57.15 | jucs | Those are two completely different things... |
| 21:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | also should be free of noise |
| 21:57.23 | Dave | NOISES |
| 21:57.41 | Dave | I should go as a freerunner for Halloween. |
| 21:57.43 | jucs | The thing I prefer about the USB thing is that I do not want to charge the bluetooth thing all the time... |
| 21:57.50 | jucs | loooooooooooooooooooool |
| 21:57.52 | Dave | Scare all the young kids. |
| 21:58.10 | Dave | WOOoO, I CAN'T MAKE CALLS, YET I'M A PHONE |
| 21:58.11 | Dave | FEAR ME! |
| 21:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | can do both, both not prone to GSM-noise issue. It's digital |
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| 21:58.16 | Dave | spooky :P |
| 21:58.20 | jucs | (2008-08-28 23:57:22) DocScrutinizer: also should be free of noise <- thanks, that's what I wanted to hear :-D |
| 21:58.23 | Zorkman | lol @ Dave |
| 21:58.30 | jucs | Dave :-D :-D :-D |
| 21:58.54 | Dave | :) |
| 21:59.23 | Proton23 | Dave: very good :D |
| 21:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | jucs: will need hostmode then, but it should work "out of the box" with right alsa driver |
| 21:59.58 | jucs | Nice, DocScrutinizer :-P So this would mean I could actually call with the freerunner, without problems? :-D |
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| 22:00.37 | Zorkman | jucs: not on 2007.2 because there it constantly re-registers :) |
| 22:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | jucs: dunno. Probably all kinds of issues with control of GSM-modem - depending on deamon/image used |
| 22:01.10 | Dave | BooOoooOooOooOOooo I'm in your airwaves polluting it with interference! |
| 22:01.14 | Dave | Scary! |
| 22:01.24 | jucs | DocScrutinizer: I'm fine with those for now, the only thing that really affects me is the noise-thing^^ |
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| 22:01.35 | jucs | And the echo-thing of course^^ |
| 22:01.51 | jucs | Dave, what have you drunken? :-D |
| 22:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | going to tackle echo a little harder now, as noise is solved (in theory) |
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| 22:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: get yourself another one of that stuff, so maybe you will get tired |
| 22:02.50 | Dave | noise theory? |
| 22:02.55 | Dave | Docscrutinizer ;) |
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| 22:03.34 | jucs | Issue: Solved (in theory) :-D Fine... |
| 22:03.47 | Dave | Aha |
| 22:04.19 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: have you any idea why they are putting things like "12 hour format doesn't work" on the priority list of 2008.9 when suspend/resume or dialing doesn't even work like it should? |
| 22:04.36 | Dave | hahaha |
| 22:04.49 | Dave | different issues? handled by different people? or they're crazy! |
| 22:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-D nope, honestly |
| 22:04.59 | Dave | or they secretly never plan to make it a usable phone! |
| 22:05.09 | Dave | Clearly the openmoko people are crazy! |
| 22:05.13 | Dave | (no offense, Joerg) ;) |
| 22:05.15 | Zorkman | a while ago lpotter said the qtopia design team intended to make it impossible to close the mediaplayer; are you sure that the design team of Qtopia and openmoko aren't on the same meds? |
| 22:05.29 | Dave | haha |
| 22:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | dave, you are ABSOLURELY right on this one |
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| 22:05.47 | Dave | It's currently impossible to close your primary wireless connection in qtopia |
| 22:05.59 | Dave | Clearly their logic is impaired. |
| 22:06.16 | slaxxin | well |
| 22:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | logic? what's that ?? |
| 22:06.20 | Chox | clearly. |
| 22:06.23 | Dave | haha :D |
| 22:06.27 | Dave | Exactly! ;) |
| 22:06.36 | jucs | Zorkman: This media-player-always-running-bug is feature? Gosh -.- |
| 22:06.38 | slaxxin | hey the wikiman is return |
| 22:06.55 | jucs | is a* |
| 22:06.59 | Dave | engrish? |
| 22:07.07 | Dave | haha, nice |
| 22:07.09 | Zorkman | yes jucs: <lpotter> AntonTakk: mediaplayer was designed that way. thats not a bug |
| 22:07.09 | slaxxin | did are |
| 22:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | all your base are belong to us |
| 22:07.12 | Dave | in this case, an INTENDED, feature |
| 22:07.13 | jucs | Dave: I'm sorry, I know, I always forget have the sentence... |
| 22:07.22 | Dave | jucs is cute :D |
| 22:07.33 | jucs | Zorkman: It's a bug in the design then -.- |
| 22:07.40 | jucs | Dave ;-P |
| 22:07.43 | slaxxin | i guess if a guys gonna get hakked here is the place |
| 22:08.03 | Zorkman | is phoning with a working phone, it feels...awkward.. |
| 22:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | nokia? |
| 22:08.20 | jucs | My the gsm-interference was also design-intented? :-D |
| 22:08.25 | slaxxin | haha |
| 22:08.35 | jucs | Maybe* |
| 22:09.04 | jucs | This can't be. I think something and write a different one.... |
| 22:09.09 | Zorkman | (yes nokia, but it's not mine, i currently use a sucky Siemens M55 I could lend ffrom someone and it looks like a pimped car...) |
| 22:09.19 | slaxxin | need more hardware mfg's |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: :D |
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| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: wait til you see gta03 :-D |
| 22:10.22 | Zorkman | lol :) |
| 22:10.23 | slaxxin | do all nokias have the same battery or just some? |
| 22:10.29 | Zorkman | sneak preview |
| 22:10.33 | slaxxin | same as moko |
| 22:10.51 | jucs | DocScrutinizer: The only thing that really must not happen is any interference in the gta03 -.- |
| 22:11.13 | jucs | slaxxin: Not all, but some... |
| 22:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm fighting like a mad dog against it ;-) |
| 22:11.25 | mmontour | slaxxin: my Nokia has a BL-4C, which can be used in the FR but is thinner than the Openmoko battery |
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| 22:11.46 | slaxxin | ok |
| 22:11.48 | jucs | DocScrutinizer: Thank you very much :-P This thing really has to improve... |
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| 22:12.16 | slaxxin | mmontour whats the commands to start wifi? |
| 22:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | even Sean feels embarrased - so probably it will change |
| 22:12.36 | slaxxin | i did ifconfig usb0 down |
| 22:12.48 | hipitihop | grrr ... latest 2008.8 continuously locks /usr/lib/opkg/lock |
| 22:13.05 | slaxxin | 0827? |
| 22:13.14 | slaxxin | thats wat i have |
| 22:13.14 | mmontour | slaxxin: why are you asking me? "ifup eth0" works for me (sometimes) but your mileage may vary. |
| 22:13.24 | jucs | DocScrutinizer: Great :-P So, let's not give up hope! |
| 22:13.25 | slaxxin | sorry |
| 22:14.06 | mmontour | better to just ask the question to the whole channel |
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| 22:14.37 | hipitihop | is there a way to stop 'packageitd' grabbing the lock ? |
| 22:14.58 | Zorkman | no, but you can kill it |
| 22:15.16 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: can I ask you who the design department is? |
| 22:15.28 | Dave | You don't want to know. |
| 22:15.31 | Zorkman | I didn't really figured that out from all those mails, I must have read over it |
| 22:15.35 | Dave | Unless you want to send them hatemail, like me :) |
| 22:15.43 | hipitihop | Zorkman, I kill kill it, issue one an opkg command and immediately after it is locked again, have to keep killing inbetween opkg commands |
| 22:15.50 | Zorkman | neih, I guess they read enough about it on the ML :) |
| 22:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: I'm not sure. Mybe Sean and a few other people |
| 22:16.07 | Zorkman | hipitihop: is your installer opened? |
| 22:16.09 | Dave | It's a cabal. |
| 22:16.23 | hipitihop | checks installer |
| 22:16.24 | Zorkman | k, thx DocScrutinizer, but kinde weird that you don't know that :p |
| 22:16.36 | Zorkman | anyhow, you don't need to know that, you're our hw-wizard |
| 22:16.43 | Zorkman | wonders what level joerg is |
| 22:17.25 | hipitihop | ducks Zorkmans slap with a wet fish. installer was still open |
| 22:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: what kind of "levels" would you expect to see in a 30 person core staff team |
| 22:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 22:17.43 | Zorkman | is there an estimate for gta03/04 yet? (although I know estimates at this moment are as good as "flip a coin", still i'm curious :)) |
| 22:17.55 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: I expect and hope you are a level 100 hardware wizard |
| 22:18.04 | Zorkman | with some nasty spells |
| 22:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: :X mustn't tell |
| 22:18.17 | Dave | haha |
| 22:18.24 | jucs | Like in WoW... if you kill enough interferences you'll get to higher levels... |
| 22:18.29 | Zorkman | :D |
| 22:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | I *got* a few nasty ones ;-) |
| 22:18.53 | Dave | Joerg is a master in his own trade; unfortunately, people appear to be ignorant to his suggestions. |
| 22:19.09 | jucs | :-D |
| 22:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: na, not allways |
| 22:19.14 | Dave | But hey, that's his job, right? Suggest |
| 22:19.16 | Dave | Doc, True. |
| 22:19.24 | Tig| | Zorkman: waiting for the hardware team does not seem to be the problem :P |
| 22:19.32 | Dave | But I've seen the design team ignore a lot of BLATANT suggestions |
| 22:19.43 | Dave | Like, they are stupid for not taking them into consideration. |
| 22:19.47 | Dave | Stupid design team, you fail! |
| 22:19.50 | jucs | The design is fine.... I love it... |
| 22:19.53 | Dave | Make more ports and holes in the case |
| 22:19.56 | Dave | NO IT'S NOT FINE |
| 22:20.05 | Dave | slaps jucs around a bit with DocScrutinizer |
| 22:20.06 | jucs | The freerunner is acutally really pretty... |
| 22:20.14 | slaxxin | handwriting recognition might me cool |
| 22:20.14 | Dave | It's ugly. |
| 22:20.15 | Zorkman | jucs: dave is talking about keyboards being ignored, spanners removed, priorities not on suspend/resume and phone capabilities |
| 22:20.22 | jucs | I don't know what's your problem about that... |
| 22:20.23 | Dave | slaxxin' try matchbox-stroke |
| 22:20.27 | Zorkman | jucs: not design as in case or material |
| 22:20.40 | Dave | Zorkman, no, that's exactly what I was talking about. |
| 22:20.42 | Zorkman | jucs: i also like the case design/material, it rocks |
| 22:20.42 | Dave | Hardware |
| 22:20.48 | Dave | It's not good |
| 22:20.53 | Dave | well, could be better |
| 22:21.01 | Dave | though they did what they could with what they had |
| 22:21.10 | Dave | so it's not terrible :) |
| 22:21.12 | Zorkman | DocScrutinizer: who designed the case? |
| 22:21.15 | jucs | Ah, Zorkman, sorry, I got you wrong... |
| 22:21.17 | Wonka | i am just trying to find out what to do with my gta02 as soon as i have a later model... |
| 22:21.18 | Tig| | Dave: but at what cost |
| 22:21.21 | Dave | zero |
| 22:21.25 | Dave | they used the gta01 case |
| 22:21.28 | Dave | (-_-); |
| 22:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | Zorkman: dunno, it existed before I joined! |
| 22:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | long before |
| 22:21.46 | jucs | Yes, I think they should mainly guarantee phone capabilities.... this really has to work.... |
| 22:21.55 | Wonka | use it as a freifunk node, maybe? |
| 22:22.08 | Dave | Doc, are you glad for that? :P |
| 22:22.09 | jucs | Wonka: Internet router? :D |
| 22:22.13 | Dave | Maybe you'd be more insane. |
| 22:22.15 | Zorkman | Wonka: maybe joerg will find a way to turn it into a transformer |
| 22:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: bet |
| 22:22.18 | Wonka | or as a dgps fixpoint... |
| 22:22.28 | Zorkman | and maybe a gta02 and a gta03 can form a helicopter |
| 22:22.42 | jucs | *loool* |
| 22:22.42 | Wonka | quadcopter would be cool |
| 22:22.54 | Tig| | tbh I would rather have a working phone stack that kicks arse first then we can worry about the hardware later |
| 22:23.00 | Wonka | gta02 as a quadcopter controller would be cool too |
| 22:23.10 | Zorkman | Tig|: here here |
| 22:23.18 | Zorkman | or hear hear? |
| 22:23.29 | jucs | So, I need to go to bed now! See you guys ;-9 |
| 22:23.30 | jucs | ;-) |
| 22:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: lacks some modes for WIFI chip |
| 22:23.33 | Zorkman | bye jucs |
| 22:23.34 | Tig| | the whole point is that it is open and can run on anything |
| 22:23.38 | jucs | Bye zorkman! |
| 22:23.40 | jucs | By Dave! |
| 22:23.48 | Dave | Farvell |
| 22:23.54 | jucs | See you DocScrutinizer! |
| 22:23.55 | jucs | lala... |
| 22:23.57 | jucs | However^^ |
| 22:23.58 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: remote controlling a quadcopter would work over ad-hoc wlan |
| 22:24.00 | Dave | waves |
| 22:24.05 | Dave | haha |
| 22:24.08 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: freifunk nodes also only need ad-hoc |
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| 22:24.10 | Dave | copters! |
| 22:24.12 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: ad-hoc works |
| 22:24.12 | Tig| | ripping the piss out of a couple of reference designs is daft |
| 22:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: actually someone is working on heli control with FR |
| 22:24.27 | Dave | Doc, may as well, right, it's got enough radio in it already ;) |
| 22:24.38 | Dave | Watch out, next thing you know I'll be spying on you! |
| 22:24.42 | Dave | I mean... :x |
| 22:24.44 | Dave | Nevermind ;) |
| 22:24.46 | Zorkman | maybe when the copter goes faster than light you leave the interference behind.. |
| 22:24.53 | Dave | :) |
| 22:25.06 | Dave | What englightenment is achieved, the body matters not. |
| 22:25.07 | Wonka | i would be quite happy with my FR if it worked with my O2 "UMTS/GSM SIM" |
| 22:25.22 | jucs | Wonka: It does with mine^^ |
| 22:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: trace down my IP ;-) |
| 22:25.27 | Wonka | jucs: O2? |
| 22:25.27 | Dave | :D |
| 22:25.35 | Dave | Cool |
| 22:25.36 | jucs | Yes, O2 |
| 22:25.36 | Zorkman | Wonka: it works with my SIM but still is unusable as a phone... so don't be so sure you would be happy :p |
| 22:25.38 | Dave | Can I come visit? :P |
| 22:26.04 | Tig| | Wonka: what would be handy is a proper set of debug tests for it so it can be fixed |
| 22:26.08 | Zorkman | Dormitz |
| 22:26.46 | Wonka | jucs: i have even put tesafilm on everything metal but the necessary 6 contact plates, the holder has no chance to short anything - i get cme errors 15, 32, and 323 in any quantity i like |
| 22:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | Dave: visit me? you wouldn't like the men out before my cell |
| 22:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | and probably they wouldn't like you |
| 22:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | ;o) |
| 22:27.28 | Wonka | jucs: that very SIM works fine in my Siemes S65, my other SIM works fine in the FR... |
| 22:27.49 | Dave | DocScrutinizer :o |
| 22:27.51 | Dave | uh oh |
| 22:27.58 | Zorkman | people, stop talking abuot insignificant things: WE NEED TO GET THE 12HR FORMAT TO WORK |
| 22:28.01 | Dave | pictures that starwars bar scene |
| 22:28.10 | Dave | Joerg, I might lose my arm :x |
| 22:28.31 | KenYoung | Zorkman, Thanks for bringing us back to reality. |
| 22:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, at least they have very unconfortable jackets here ;-) |
| 22:28.47 | Dave | Ken! |
| 22:28.59 | KenYoung | Dave! |
| 22:29.01 | Dave | zorkman, who wants that? :P |
| 22:29.09 | Zorkman | #searching for a heart of gold # |
| 22:29.09 | Dave | DocScrutinizer: aha, okay :) |
| 22:29.16 | Dave | Ken, what's new? :)) |
| 22:29.19 | Zorkman | DAve: it's on the fucking priority list of 2008.9 |
| 22:29.21 | Dave | Other than your amazing software ;) |
| 22:29.27 | Dave | Zorkman :P |
| 22:30.06 | KenYoung | Dave, Nothing new with me. I can't really play with my FR except on weekends. |
| 22:30.39 | KenYoung | Dave, But thanks very much for the kind remarks. |
| 22:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | turns around the paper: "the Doctor is away" |
| 22:31.04 | Dave | Ah okay :) |
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| 22:31.09 | Dave | Certainly. |
| 22:31.14 | Zorkman | bye Joerg |
| 22:31.15 | Dave | Later Doc :) |
| 22:31.20 | Zorkman | good luck hunting interference :) |
| 22:31.23 | Dave | Dpn |
| 22:31.29 | Dave | Don't get beat up by those scary men :P |
| 22:33.54 | hipitihop | in all the confusion regarding keyboards, how do I get zorkman's keybaord going on the latest 2008.8 |
| 22:34.02 | Dave | zorkman has a keyboard? |
| 22:34.07 | Dave | Unlikely! :D |
| 22:34.25 | Zorkman | :D |
| 22:34.26 | Dave | He probably stole raster's magnificent work ;p |
| 22:34.34 | Zorkman | I have a keyboard? |
| 22:34.45 | hipitihop | nods that's the name he is scrambling for ;-) |
| 22:34.51 | Dave | :P |
| 22:34.58 | hipitihop | sorry Zorkman, meant raster |
| 22:35.07 | Zorkman | yeah people often confuse me with a skillful programmer of openmoko |
| 22:35.12 | Dave | haha |
| 22:35.12 | hipitihop | heh |
| 22:35.15 | Dave | rolls his eyes |
| 22:35.16 | Zorkman | (ex-programmer in one day) |
| 22:35.31 | Dave | no |
| 22:35.39 | Dave | ex-ass-slave |
| 22:35.42 | Dave | :p |
| 22:35.46 | Zorkman | :) |
| 22:36.02 | Zorkman | hipitihop: what are you running? 2008.8 or 200.8upgraded? |
| 22:36.43 | Zorkman | 200.8 is on the wiki, 2008.8-upgraded: i don't know, we need something called illume-config-illume, but it wasn't in the feeds a few hours ago (yet) |
| 22:36.50 | hipitihop | Zorkman, http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update |
| 22:36.57 | Zorkman | zorkman mailed about that on the ML :) |
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| 22:39.00 | Zorkman | hipitihop: |
| 22:39.00 | Zorkman | 1. opkg install illume-config-illume |
| 22:39.00 | Zorkman | 2. opkg install illume-config |
| 22:39.00 | Zorkman | 3. echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > /etc/enlightenment/default_profile |
| 22:39.00 | Zorkman | 4. reboot |
| 22:39.01 | Zorkman | 5. add the export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 to the qtopia launch script |
| 22:40.05 | Zorkman | (change number 4 and 5's position) |
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| 22:40.34 | johngay | ok. So I can't access my wireless ATM. |
| 22:40.41 | hipitihop | get error 2 in 1. |
| 22:41.18 | Toaster` | does anyone else lose sound after a suspend resume? |
| 22:41.20 | Zorkman | that's what i said, it isn't available (yet) |
| 22:41.32 | Zorkman | raster/zorkman said it should become available |
| 22:41.40 | Zorkman | Toaster`: most poeple do :) |
| 22:42.04 | Zorkman | johngay: I also can't acces your wireless, Dave, can you do it? |
| 22:42.10 | Toaster` | Zorkman: heh, well, good to see I'm not alone. I suppose they're working on it so no need to gripe? |
| 22:42.37 | Wonka | THEY are working on world domination |
| 22:43.17 | johngay | With my brand new FR. iwlist shows it, but udhcpc fails to connect? |
| 22:44.02 | Zorkman | Toaster`: you should search the trac... sometimes i assume there is a bug report because it is well known problem, but if everyone thinks that way... :) |
| 22:44.18 | Zorkman | johngay: did you look at the wiki? |
| 22:44.21 | Toaster` | Zorkman: true. |
| 22:44.24 | Zorkman | you could also use mofi, that works for me out of the box |
| 22:45.06 | johngay | That's where I'm looking, but I'm not sure it works out of the box. |
| 22:45.09 | Zorkman | (even with encryption, i just type in my password and it works) |
| 22:46.18 | slaxxin | code 1 |
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| 22:54.21 | Toaster` | how does one force the illume keyboard to install rather then the qtopia keyboard? |
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| 22:55.29 | Zorkman | Toaster`: |
| 22:55.30 | Zorkman | 1. opkg install illume-config-illume |
| 22:55.30 | Zorkman | 2. opkg install illume-config |
| 22:55.30 | Zorkman | 3. echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > /etc/enlightenment/default_profile |
| 22:55.30 | Zorkman | 4. add the export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 to the qtopia launch script |
| 22:55.30 | Zorkman | 5. reboot |
| 22:55.39 | admiral0 | i have the OM 2008 image and i have also a valid kbd file. I've installed it, but i receive no keyboard |
| 22:55.45 | Zorkman | but illume-config-illume is not yet available, so in the mean time there is no way i know of |
| 22:56.14 | Zorkman | if you have 2008.8 and not 2008.8-upgrade it is documented in the wiki |
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| 22:56.40 | admiral0 | ? |
| 22:56.43 | Zorkman | but you need to export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 to the qtopia launch script or else E's keyboard might take over |
| 22:57.40 | Zorkman | admiral0: there are two releases of 2008.8: in the first one it is possible to change to the full querty keyboard, in the second it isn't YET possible due to that illume-config-illume (unless you build your own image) |
| 22:58.26 | admiral0 | illume-config-illume is not available, i know.. |
| 22:58.44 | Toaster` | ahh, thanks guys |
| 22:58.49 | admiral0 | but why it doesn't work with a valid kbd file? |
| 22:59.00 | Zorkman | no idea admiral0.... |
| 22:59.20 | Zorkman | if only the dev's had listened to the hundres of mails about this keyboard... |
| 22:59.37 | admiral0 | what was last illume that worked with the qwerty? |
| 22:59.39 | Zorkman | *design team, not devs |
| 22:59.57 | Zorkman | don't know... I know i was able to modify 2008.8 |
| 23:00.10 | Zorkman | and I know I fail at doing so on 2008.8-upgrade |
| 23:00.11 | Toaster` | I really prefer teh illume kbd, hopefully it gets into the repos soon |
| 23:00.51 | admiral0 | what about the dict? |
| 23:01.32 | Zorkman | admiral0: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1864 |
| 23:01.45 | Zorkman | it was first marked ONCE AGAIN as invalid... |
| 23:02.05 | johngay | Guess I'll quit playin' for a while and let the battery charge. Maybe I'll have found out where to look by then. |
| 23:02.24 | Zorkman | what are you searching for johngay? |
| 23:02.54 | Zorkman | btw: http://friendmanagement.com/squeeq/2008/08/26/ihologram-iphone-app-illusion/ looks neat, I want it on my FR :) |
| 23:03.19 | Zorkman | ah, the wifi thing.. |
| 23:03.30 | Zorkman | anyway, I need some sleep |
| 23:05.24 | hipitihop | gnite ZzzZzZzorkman |
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| 23:11.39 | johngay | Nite Zorkman. |
| 23:13.53 | hipitihop | someone have a link to a working epdfviewer package that will run on 2008.8 updated ? |
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| 23:18.25 | admiral0 | the one from testing seems to work |
| 23:18.48 | sevenhundred | question: xterm or openmoko-terminal? |
| 23:19.07 | hipitihop | admiral0, is that aimed at me ? |
| 23:19.09 | sevenhundred | which is best? |
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| 23:19.51 | TankC | Hey all |
| 23:20.02 | TankC | How do you get wifi set up under qtopia? |
| 23:20.26 | admiral0 | hipitihop:yes |
| 23:20.37 | johnsu01 | TankC: Go to settings => internet |
| 23:20.57 | hipitihop | I'm using http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ how do I get at the testing feed |
| 23:21.00 | TankC | Ahhh... thank you :) |
| 23:22.09 | admiral0 | hipitihop: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/ |
| 23:22.14 | admiral0 | look inside |
| 23:22.22 | admiral0 | you'll find everything |
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| 23:23.32 | hipitihop | admiral0, indeed thanks. I assume it is not advisable to add it to opkg config |
| 23:24.28 | admiral0 | hipitihop: yes. Your Freerunner could explode |
| 23:24.46 | raster | baaah! |
| 23:24.50 | raster | hey any OE gurus? |
| 23:25.04 | admiral0 | no |
| 23:25.14 | raster | how do i.. force the install order of files in a .bb |
| 23:25.28 | raster | ie i have data files and i want 1 file install after all others are installed |
| 23:26.17 | abraxa_ | raster: Checked #oe for help? |
| 23:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | moin raster :-) |
| 23:27.41 | raster | bah |
| 23:27.42 | raster | i should |
| 23:27.52 | raster | abraxa_: tnx |
| 23:27.55 | raster | DocScrutinizer: mooon! |
| 23:33.39 | johngay | Hey raster, I just got my FR today! |
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| 23:35.10 | raster | johngay: pants off? |
| 23:35.33 | johngay | ??? |
| 23:36.02 | hipitihop | admiral0, satisfying all the deps is a pain having to download package by package manually. is it possible to add the testing feed into opkg config (not do upgrade) install epdfviewer and then remove the feed ? |
| 23:36.28 | admiral0 | yes |
| 23:36.34 | admiral0 | that's the thing i did |
| 23:37.04 | hipitihop | won't I get conflicts when I do opkg update ? |
| 23:37.16 | admiral0 | no |
| 23:37.21 | admiral0 | don't worry |
| 23:37.25 | admiral0 | DON'T upgrade |
| 23:37.43 | johngay | I've got it charging, but it's plugged in in the kitchen since I've too many things plugged in by my desk. |
| 23:38.11 | raster | johngay: u have your new toy. time to have fun |
| 23:38.13 | raster | pants off |
| 23:38.13 | raster | :) |
| 23:39.07 | johngay | Trying to follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN, iwlist eth0 scan shows my wireless point, but udhcpc fails to connect? |
| 23:40.01 | johngay | And I don't know where to look for the battery level. |
| 23:40.01 | cjb | johngay: you need to associate with it |
| 23:40.10 | cjb | iwconfig eth0 essid Foo |
| 23:40.51 | Wonka | why does "iwconfig eth0 essid ANY" not work? |
| 23:41.11 | Wonka | i think that's quite nonstandard... |
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| 23:46.03 | hipitihop | admiral0, opkg install running... thanks |
| 23:46.25 | admiral0 | ;) you're wellcome |
| 23:47.20 | hipitihop | admiral0, to disable the feed, rather then removing the file, if it is renamed from *.conf to *.disabled will that work and allow me to do upgrade again ? |
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| 23:47.40 | johngay | Thanks! That worked. |
| 23:50.03 | johngay | Guess now I need to install ssh on my desktop before I can access my FR )-= |
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| 23:58.17 | johngay | Is it safe to just use opkg opdate && opkg upgrade fresh out of the box? |
| 23:58.55 | admiral0 | hipitihop:i'm not sure |
| 23:59.19 | admiral0 | you can just comment the lines inside the file |
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