| 00:00.04 | Tig| | rooly|away: terminal is available from the installer |
| 00:00.04 | rooly|away | and it often bugs out |
| 00:00.04 | Pyrasi | you can easily install the terminal....and the battery life seems alright to me (as long as you use suspend obviously) |
| 00:00.07 | pjj__ | then start developing rooly|away :) |
| 00:00.07 | rooly|away | yeah, except to get the instaler working you have to get ssh working which doesn't work by default |
| 00:00.19 | rooly|away | was happier with 2007.2 |
| 00:00.21 | Tig| | rooly|away: eh? ssh worked here fine |
| 00:00.35 | Pyrasi | works by default for me too |
| 00:01.04 | rooly|away | meh, i guess all those other people who've had problems ssh-ing into their phones at first powerup were telling fibs then, eh? |
| 00:01.15 | rooly|away | including myself |
| 00:01.34 | Pyrasi | oh...do you mean the buildhost version? |
| 00:01.42 | rooly|away | no |
| 00:01.49 | rooly|away | i mean the released version |
| 00:02.01 | Tig| | rooly|away: no idea, all I know is that I managed it, I can't remember if I sshed in on the first boot though |
| 00:02.11 | Pyrasi | hmm...i just flashed 08.08.08 to my phone about 30 mins ago and it worked on first boot for me |
| 00:02.27 | Pyrasi | the 080813 build did not though |
| 00:02.34 | Pyrasi | i had to reboot to get it working on that one |
| 00:02.43 | Pyrasi | (or 080811 or whatever) |
| 00:02.56 | raster | at not time during asu development have i ever had problems sshing into my fr via usbnet |
| 00:03.00 | rooly|away | oh, then, i miss my clock, there's the problems with gtk rendering, and a few other things that i can't think of right now |
| 00:03.01 | raster | never once |
| 00:03.09 | raster | so this really seems strange to me |
| 00:03.29 | Pyrasi | rooly...you are using the buildhost image |
| 00:03.32 | Pyrasi | i think |
| 00:03.34 | rooly|away | no, i'm not |
| 00:03.38 | rooly|away | i'm using the release iamge |
| 00:03.38 | Pyrasi | cause i had all those symptoms with that one |
| 00:03.39 | rooly|away | *image |
| 00:03.42 | Pyrasi | oh |
| 00:03.51 | rooly|away | i don't have the ssh problem right now |
| 00:03.54 | rooly|away | cause i fixed it |
| 00:03.58 | rooly|away | a week ago |
| 00:04.01 | Pyrasi | what did you have to do? |
| 00:04.19 | rooly|away | couldn't tell ya |
| 00:04.22 | rooly|away | it just started working |
| 00:04.32 | Pyrasi | huh. strange |
| 00:04.57 | Dave | aroo |
| 00:05.09 | Dave | hey cjb :) |
| 00:05.34 | raster | rooly|away: do u use a subhub to connect your FR? |
| 00:05.34 | lloyd_fedora | my freerunner arrives tomorrow ... :-) |
| 00:05.36 | raster | err |
| 00:05.38 | raster | usb hub |
| 00:05.45 | *** part/#openmoko confidential (n=Anders@79.160.97.102) |
| 00:05.52 | rooly|away | no |
| 00:06.02 | raster | anythgin that acts as a hub? |
| 00:06.05 | raster | eg monitor etc. |
| 00:06.07 | Pyrasi | congrats lloyd =) |
| 00:06.12 | rooly|away | no |
| 00:06.13 | raster | or plug direct into usb ports on pc |
| 00:06.20 | rooly|away | direct into the mobo |
| 00:06.21 | raster | hmm |
| 00:06.23 | raster | ok |
| 00:06.31 | raster | well there goes that idea |
| 00:06.32 | lloyd_fedora | ty pyrasi .. been a looong wait |
| 00:06.33 | raster | dunno |
| 00:06.37 | raster | never seen thsi problem you have |
| 00:06.39 | raster | ever once |
| 00:06.43 | Pyrasi | when you said you were having gtk probems what did you mean? |
| 00:06.49 | raster | and i am glued to my FR iva usbnet and ssh |
| 00:06.53 | raster | err via |
| 00:07.00 | Pyrasi | heh |
| 00:07.05 | rooly|away | well, when i use a gtk app, and pull up the keyboard, it often stops drawing the window |
| 00:07.07 | raster | not like i actually use the FR as a phone... |
| 00:07.22 | Pyrasi | hey raster, are you using the dev repos for 2008.8 by some chance? |
| 00:07.22 | raster | drawing which window? |
| 00:07.28 | rooly|away | sometimes when switching "tabs" on the gtk apps, it won't redraw and i have to refresh via going to the home-screen and then going back |
| 00:07.30 | rooly|away | the gtk window |
| 00:07.41 | raster | Pyrasi: i build myself from the asu.dev branch of the asu git tree |
| 00:07.52 | Pyrasi | fair enough |
| 00:08.00 | raster | rooly|away: hmm gtk i have seen many a time have redraw issues |
| 00:08.08 | Pyrasi | rooly....that all happened to me on that weird buildhost image |
| 00:08.13 | raster | especially if the window is smaller than gtk wants |
| 00:08.55 | Pyrasi | tangogps was completely unusable on that one because of the refresh issues |
| 00:09.07 | rooly|away | yup yup |
| 00:09.31 | Pyrasi | do you see a flower in the background on boot? |
| 00:09.34 | rooly|away | yes |
| 00:09.39 | Pyrasi | you have the wrong image |
| 00:09.44 | Pyrasi | you have the buildhost one |
| 00:09.50 | rooly|away | ic |
| 00:10.25 | Pyrasi | use this instead: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 00:10.39 | rooly|away | i still need to flash my device |
| 00:10.56 | Dave | Rasterman! |
| 00:12.05 | SirBob1701 | crap i forget how to run a script on startup can someone remind me? |
| 00:12.23 | rooly|away | throw it in /etc/init.d/ with a start() and stop() |
| 00:12.51 | Tig| | or rc.local |
| 00:13.16 | raster | god damn |
| 00:13.17 | raster | ok |
| 00:13.22 | raster | i am going to do u a favor |
| 00:13.26 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 00:13.28 | raster | i'll build you a kernel and rotofs image |
| 00:13.31 | raster | and upload it |
| 00:13.38 | rooly|away | who me? |
| 00:13.42 | raster | then you will have an idea what i mean with "asu.dev" |
| 00:13.45 | raster | and why i |
| 00:13.50 | raster | i'm baffled by your problems |
| 00:13.51 | raster | :) |
| 00:13.52 | raster | yup |
| 00:13.55 | rooly|away | meh |
| 00:13.56 | raster | this isnt asu release |
| 00:13.56 | rooly|away | i'm good |
| 00:14.04 | rooly|away | gonna reflash anyway |
| 00:14.05 | Pyrasi | ohhh |
| 00:14.08 | Arcnet | i know what you're talking about, i know exactly what you are talking about... :-D |
| 00:14.09 | raster | its further along with extra work from me on e/illume |
| 00:14.15 | Pyrasi | ohhh |
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| 00:14.19 | Pyrasi | build me one ;) |
| 00:14.21 | Arcnet | damn, autoscroll was off, sorry ;) |
| 00:14.26 | raster | its got some private changes of my own right now that make it a little mroe usable |
| 00:14.29 | raster | ie keyboard butotn on |
| 00:14.34 | raster | use illume keyboard by default |
| 00:14.44 | Arcnet | that was a reply to a message about one hour ago |
| 00:14.48 | Arcnet | needs some sleep |
| 00:14.50 | Arcnet | good night |
| 00:14.52 | rooly|away | nn |
| 00:14.54 | raster | (not qtopia - though there is a clash between them but it only clashes if u restarte e) |
| 00:14.56 | raster | etc. |
| 00:14.56 | Pyrasi | night |
| 00:15.09 | rooly|away | well |
| 00:15.13 | rooly|away | i'm gonna reflash to the release |
| 00:15.14 | Tig| | raster : \o/ the illume keyboard fucking rocks :) |
| 00:15.19 | rooly|away | does your image work better than the release? |
| 00:15.44 | raster | Tig|: i added dictionary suport yesterday |
| 00:15.48 | raster | dictionaries are simple text files |
| 00:15.57 | raster | just keep them "sort -f" 'd |
| 00:16.04 | Pyrasi | raster: id very much appreciate it if you built that and let us try it out =) |
| 00:16.05 | raster | u can use any dict u like from amy unix box |
| 00:16.22 | Tig| | raster: I hope that does not add the predictive stuff from the ASU? |
| 00:16.34 | Tig| | as I found that got in the way all the time |
| 00:16.43 | raster | Tig|: it has the same predictive stuff |
| 00:16.51 | raster | but done differently |
| 00:16.56 | raster | you are not forced into it |
| 00:17.02 | raster | u can select dictionary on the fly |
| 00:17.16 | Tig| | raster : the keyboard in the FSO image is damn near perfect |
| 00:17.23 | raster | if u use the "Terminal" keyboard prediction (really not prediction - it's correction) is effectively disabled |
| 00:17.41 | raster | FSO uses illume's own keyboard |
| 00:18.22 | Tig| | raster: what would help the predictive method would be if the word in the middle (ie the default selected) was the word you had just typed then the corrections could be at either side |
| 00:18.57 | netx | has anyone else had a problem with wiki.openmoko.org not mailing out email confirmations |
| 00:19.26 | raster | Tig|: they are |
| 00:19.34 | netx | i have tried repeatedly over a period of a couple weeks, and it says it mailed the confirmation, but it never arried |
| 00:19.39 | raster | Tig|: ok. here is how it works. what you see is the word your typoed |
| 00:19.41 | raster | and nothing else |
| 00:19.45 | netx | and no spam-blocking *should* be in the way |
| 00:19.48 | raster | because u havent seen the dictionary working |
| 00:19.52 | raster | it has no correction list |
| 00:19.57 | Tig| | ah |
| 00:20.01 | raster | so it just displays what u typed. |
| 00:20.05 | raster | with the dict enabled |
| 00:20.15 | raster | the "most likely" correction is in the middle |
| 00:20.22 | raster | with less likely listed to the left/right |
| 00:20.28 | raster | this may go off the screen |
| 00:20.37 | raster | the left-side there is a "dictionary" icon |
| 00:20.43 | raster | tap that for a FULL list of corrections |
| 00:20.50 | raster | the top item is EXACTLY what u typed |
| 00:21.07 | raster | and then listed below are corrections in order of most to least likely |
| 00:21.09 | raster | u can select |
| 00:21.15 | Tig| | raster: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:21.16 | raster | the code wil llearn from your usage |
| 00:21.30 | raster | if you use words more they become more likeyl to be a "most likely correction" |
| 00:21.37 | raster | if the word is not in the dict |
| 00:21.39 | Tig| | raster: absolutely superb work then :) |
| 00:21.42 | raster | it is added to your personal dict too |
| 00:21.49 | raster | so new words it doesnt know get learnt |
| 00:21.59 | raster | and also get more likely to be corrections |
| 00:22.06 | raster | all dictionary files are plain text |
| 00:22.07 | Pyrasi | yes please. |
| 00:22.14 | raster | so u can just browse them to see whats in them |
| 00:22.20 | raster | you can generate your own dictionaries |
| 00:22.31 | *** join/#openmoko Openfree (n=laNY@58.33.111.91) |
| 00:22.35 | raster | tyhe default English (US) |
| 00:22.51 | raster | is the linux: /usr/share/dict/words | sort -f |
| 00:22.54 | raster | thats all |
| 00:22.54 | Tig| | raster: oh well that can be corrected :) |
| 00:23.08 | raster | if u generate a file with that data |
| 00:23.11 | raster | it can be a dictionary file |
| 00:23.22 | raster | there is anotehr English (US) SMall |
| 00:23.26 | raster | it is only 5000 words |
| 00:23.29 | raster | BUT |
| 00:23.34 | raster | it ALSO contains language frequency data |
| 00:23.38 | raster | ie |
| 00:23.45 | raster | a 4382 |
| 00:23.50 | raster | about 28 |
| 00:23.51 | raster | .. |
| 00:23.52 | raster | etc. |
| 00:23.57 | raster | its the same format slightly extended |
| 00:24.04 | raster | after each word on the line a space + number |
| 00:24.09 | raster | gives the frequency of usage |
| 00:24.11 | Tig| | the first time I used the illume keyboard on the FSO I went, " now that is how you do the keyboard" :) |
| 00:24.21 | raster | if u love perl and love to munge ext files |
| 00:24.36 | raster | u can happily write some perl - or whatrever you liek to trawl gutenburg text files |
| 00:24.37 | raster | or the web |
| 00:24.39 | raster | or anything you like |
| 00:24.43 | raster | strip out just the text |
| 00:24.53 | raster | and generate dictionary files for any language with frequency maps |
| 00:24.58 | raster | i will admit |
| 00:24.59 | ieatlint | the fso keyboard needs to add in basic punctuation |
| 00:25.04 | zash | sort -f ..? is it .. can it be .. |
| 00:25.07 | ieatlint | , . and ' |
| 00:25.08 | raster | this is something a single developer can never really do right |
| 00:25.10 | raster | not for all languages |
| 00:25.10 | zash | no |
| 00:25.12 | zash | damn |
| 00:25.17 | *** join/#openmoko asciiforever (n=Jon@74-131-26-229.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 00:25.18 | raster | so i'm just putting in the mechanism and an example |
| 00:25.36 | raster | and i am sure the community can generate what they see as good/usable dict files for their respective languages |
| 00:25.37 | raster | :) |
| 00:25.38 | ieatlint | and other languages should just use deadkeys :P |
| 00:25.43 | ieatlint | make an umlaut modifier, etc |
| 00:26.12 | raster | ieatlint: actually i was expecting other langs to maybe have different .kbd layotu files |
| 00:26.27 | raster | as such its actually very hard to crap , . / etc. into the current qwerty kbd |
| 00:26.29 | raster | not much room |
| 00:26.29 | rooly|away | unless somebody uses "marglarg" as the only noun in their language |
| 00:26.39 | raster | i would need to make all the keys a bit smaller |
| 00:26.41 | ieatlint | well, i'm not talking about terminal |
| 00:26.45 | Tig| | the dictionary is less important to me, the usability of the keyboard is more key for me and the illume keyboard keeps me happy for the moment (I can fix the other bits I want myself now :) ) |
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| 00:27.08 | ieatlint | one could fit 2 or 3 punctuation chars on the qwerty without resizing it |
| 00:27.23 | raster | ieatlint: you can fit just 1 |
| 00:27.25 | rooly|away | a period, a shift, and a sym key |
| 00:27.26 | raster | bottom-left |
| 00:27.28 | raster | i've looked |
| 00:27.33 | ieatlint | on either side of the z and m |
| 00:27.39 | raster | because the deadspace around the kbd is a fault of the hw design |
| 00:27.41 | ieatlint | and perhaps on the sides of a and l |
| 00:27.43 | raster | that u cant hit the very edge |
| 00:27.51 | raster | because of the inset screen |
| 00:27.57 | Dave | lint! |
| 00:28.00 | sirkha_top | whoa, raster, are you the raster of Enlightenment? |
| 00:28.00 | ieatlint | well, even just adding a comma.... |
| 00:28.08 | ieatlint | hey dave |
| 00:28.19 | raster | Ian00: can add 1 key really |
| 00:28.19 | Dave | Howdy ya'll |
| 00:28.19 | raster | without resizing |
| 00:28.20 | Dave | What's new, raster? |
| 00:28.21 | raster | sirkha_top: maybe... |
| 00:28.24 | raster | Dave: morning! |
| 00:28.29 | Dave | nefarious development! |
| 00:28.38 | raster | ieatlint: as such - i knwo what u mean wanting punct keys |
| 00:28.39 | ieatlint | morning.. hah, crazy aussies |
| 00:28.46 | raster | i just am resisting resizing the kbd to make room for them |
| 00:28.53 | raster | it can be done |
| 00:28.56 | ieatlint | i send someone an sms and it's just a fucking run on sentence |
| 00:28.56 | raster | it is a simple text file |
| 00:28.57 | raster | :) |
| 00:29.12 | ieatlint | but then, zhone in general needs to be replaced as intended |
| 00:29.36 | Dave | lollersifs |
| 00:29.47 | ieatlint | heh, damnit... i'm in a pub, and i thought i ordered food, but i totally forgot to actually do it :P |
| 00:29.55 | Tig| | ieatlint: zhone sms works for you? |
| 00:29.57 | ieatlint | so i'm sitting here waiting for it wondering why it's taking so long |
| 00:29.58 | Pyrasi | haha |
| 00:30.08 | ieatlint | Tig|: yeah |
| 00:30.29 | ieatlint | works except that there is no incoming sms notification (because the framework doesn't support it yet) |
| 00:30.29 | Tig| | cool, sms here is buggered on fso |
| 00:30.43 | ieatlint | i had to hack fso for sms though |
| 00:31.03 | ieatlint | i learnt that it caches the sms entries, and only updates the cache when you send an sms |
| 00:31.14 | ieatlint | i'd send an sms and suddenly it'd show like 3 new ones arrived |
| 00:31.27 | Stroller | You're in a pub and you're chatting on IRC? |
| 00:31.37 | ieatlint | so i set it to not cache the entries... everytime i load the sms thing, it re-reads them off the sim |
| 00:31.45 | *** part/#openmoko sirkha_top (n=sirkha@c-68-58-178-237.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.49 | ieatlint | Stroller: what, did you think i wasn't a geek? :P |
| 00:31.55 | *** join/#openmoko flavioribeiro (n=flaviori@200.97.67.61) |
| 00:32.15 | Stroller | gives ieatlint kudos for that, on the assumption that he's using IRC via GPRS on the Freerunner |
| 00:32.22 | raster | ieatlint: yeah. zhone is all about implementing the backend infra |
| 00:32.26 | flavioribeiro | there is any diference between neo1973 and freeruner? or they are the same? |
| 00:32.29 | raster | all the phone subsystems and comms |
| 00:32.31 | ieatlint | Stroller: afraid not |
| 00:32.33 | raster | so its EASY to write a ui |
| 00:32.39 | ieatlint | raster: yep |
| 00:32.39 | raster | so ui's are busy writing ui's |
| 00:32.46 | ieatlint | and from what i've seen, it will be very easy |
| 00:32.47 | Pyrasi | raster: which kernel should we use with this image you are building? the newest buildhost one? |
| 00:32.48 | raster | not busy wrestling with gsm at commandse specifics |
| 00:32.51 | CVirus | flavioribeiro: they're different .. check the wiki |
| 00:32.52 | raster | or worryoing about syncing |
| 00:32.54 | CVirus | fribeiro: ^ |
| 00:32.56 | raster | or where your contact list is |
| 00:32.57 | raster | etc. |
| 00:33.07 | flavior | CVirus, ok |
| 00:33.09 | raster | Pyrasi: i'm building all of it |
| 00:33.14 | Pyrasi | oh...awesome |
| 00:33.25 | raster | it's building.... |
| 00:33.33 | ieatlint | Stroller: i could do that (i've pidgin on my phone with irc, and gprs working properly), but instead i'm on an eeepc and the pub has wifi |
| 00:33.55 | Tig| | ieatlint: erm are you in the UK perchance? |
| 00:34.10 | ieatlint | Dave: http://tehinterweb.com/freerunner/dot/dot.tgz |
| 00:34.13 | Pyrasi | i was at a restraunt on irc via wifi on my freerunner the other day.... |
| 00:34.16 | ieatlint | Dave: have fun with that |
| 00:34.24 | ieatlint | Tig|: nope, i'm in the bear flag republic |
| 00:34.35 | Stroller | ieatlint: well, you should be scoping the chicks instead of talking to us, then. |
| 00:34.37 | Stroller | :P |
| 00:34.56 | ieatlint | the pub is empty... i'm literally the only one in here |
| 00:34.56 | Pyrasi | ieatlint: nice domain =o is that yours? |
| 00:35.01 | ieatlint | yep :) |
| 00:35.08 | Stroller | A restaurant!/!?! That's even WORSE!! |
| 00:35.18 | Pyrasi | best i could get was www.bufferunderflow.com =P |
| 00:35.33 | ieatlint | yeah, i love my domain |
| 00:35.38 | ieatlint | i own tehinterweb.us too |
| 00:35.42 | Stroller | Oooh, that is a good domain, ieatlint. I <3 that,. too |
| 00:35.46 | Pyrasi | haha |
| 00:35.47 | ieatlint | which i probably won't renew, heh |
| 00:36.00 | Stroller | Hmmmn... I think tehinterweb.us is cooler |
| 00:36.07 | Stroller | Can I have it, if you don't wan it? |
| 00:36.11 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 00:36.12 | Pyrasi | so that dot program you wrote...i was reading about it earlier...does it use both accels? |
| 00:36.22 | ieatlint | Stroller: if you're serious, i'll think about it |
| 00:36.32 | ieatlint | Pyrasi: no |
| 00:36.43 | ieatlint | you can use command line options to switch between the accelerometers |
| 00:36.47 | ieatlint | but it can only use one at a im |
| 00:36.50 | ieatlint | time |
| 00:37.14 | Stroller | Yeah, I am. I like it, and I've been meaning to get a domain for a while now (I use a free uk.eu.org at the moment, and it's a handful to type) |
| 00:37.16 | rooly|away | alrighty |
| 00:37.21 | rooly|away | upload of the release started |
| 00:37.35 | Pyrasi | cool. hmmm...i wonder if it eats the battery life alot to keep that gesture recognizer daemon running all the time.... |
| 00:37.55 | ieatlint | i was warning by one person not to make a game based on the dot app because people will get frustrated and throw their phones |
| 00:38.04 | Pyrasi | haha |
| 00:38.10 | Stroller | ieatlint: all the cool & funny domains I think of are taken. Was devastated to find that I was unoriginal in thinking Cyderdyne.com would be cool. |
| 00:38.17 | ieatlint | Pyrasi: give me a min, i'll tell you |
| 00:38.24 | Pyrasi | cool |
| 00:38.30 | Stroller | goes away to look up the names of Culture GSVs |
| 00:39.02 | *** join/#openmoko AntonTakk (n=AntonTak@64.81.101.148) |
| 00:39.02 | Pyrasi | yea....im sad that www.dancedaily.com is taken....because my name is Dan Staley.... |
| 00:39.08 | Tig| | Stroller: I know a hosting co that names its servers after culture ships :) |
| 00:39.12 | Pyrasi | taken by a squatter none the less |
| 00:39.16 | Pyrasi | the jerk |
| 00:39.24 | Stroller | Pyrasi: lol |
| 00:39.34 | ieatlint | Pyrasi: uhm, it uses almost no power |
| 00:39.35 | Stroller | Yikes! |
| 00:39.40 | Stroller | You're serious? |
| 00:39.42 | ieatlint | 15-20mA |
| 00:39.47 | Stroller | Change your name to Mike Row |
| 00:39.49 | ieatlint | maybe |
| 00:39.50 | Stroller | Or Roe |
| 00:39.58 | CVirus | haha |
| 00:39.59 | zedstar_ | i used to own zedstar.net and now it is owned by some cheesey italian pop star! |
| 00:40.12 | Tig| | Stroller: I miss being hosted on gunboat-diplomat :) |
| 00:40.16 | Pyrasi | oh yea? awesome. |
| 00:40.17 | Stroller | lolol |
| 00:40.19 | CVirus | CVirus.net |
| 00:40.21 | ieatlint | the phone with no wifi/gps/bt uses 200mA |
| 00:40.21 | CVirus | :-p |
| 00:40.32 | raster | ok |
| 00:40.32 | ieatlint | well, it jumps from 190-215, staying around 200 |
| 00:40.33 | raster | built |
| 00:40.35 | raster | uploading. |
| 00:40.44 | ieatlint | with the program running, it uses 200-225 |
| 00:41.30 | zedstar_ | btw dont look at that site u will smash your monitor |
| 00:41.46 | Pyrasi | very cool. |
| 00:41.59 | ieatlint | it just uses an accelerometer and very little cpu |
| 00:42.06 | Pyrasi | my favorite site of all time is still www.zombo.com |
| 00:42.16 | Pyrasi | from like 1997 |
| 00:42.17 | ieatlint | uses x's renderer, which with Xglamo is in theory hardware |
| 00:42.35 | Tig| | Pyrasi: woot you can do anything at zombo.com |
| 00:42.51 | Stroller | I really want stroll.er but Ethiopia & Somalia have to settle their disputes, first |
| 00:43.04 | Tig| | heh |
| 00:43.05 | ieatlint | heh |
| 00:43.08 | ieatlint | go ethiopia |
| 00:43.09 | Stroller | Maybe someone'll buy me it for, like, my 90th birthday, or something |
| 00:43.15 | Pyrasi | ieatlint: thats true i guess...i was just worried that the constant polling on the accel would drain it |
| 00:43.29 | ieatlint | i love countries that can afford guns and not food |
| 00:43.30 | Pyrasi | but very cool it doesnt |
| 00:44.01 | ieatlint | well, as i understand it, the program only works at like 3Hz or something |
| 00:44.03 | raster | ieatlint: irrlicht engine's x renderer? |
| 00:44.09 | raster | (as opposed to software or opengl)? |
| 00:44.14 | rooly|away | what about it |
| 00:44.23 | ieatlint | "xrender" |
| 00:44.38 | ieatlint | is like ecore_something_xrender_x11_new() |
| 00:44.56 | raster | ieatlint: oooh xrender |
| 00:45.07 | raster | that is definitely NOT accelrated |
| 00:45.11 | ieatlint | hah |
| 00:45.16 | ieatlint | ok, well, it still works :P |
| 00:45.19 | raster | sure |
| 00:45.20 | ieatlint | it was like that or software |
| 00:45.20 | raster | works |
| 00:45.31 | CVirus | How long does it take to recieve a FreeRunner from pulster ? |
| 00:45.31 | raster | software_16_x11 is faster |
| 00:45.32 | rooly|away | irrlicht has 3 "working" modes for the freerunner |
| 00:45.37 | raster | but drops some quality |
| 00:45.39 | ieatlint | hmmm, i'll note that |
| 00:45.43 | raster | software_x11 is high quality 32bit |
| 00:45.58 | ieatlint | 32bit isn't needed methinks |
| 00:46.01 | ieatlint | not for my current use |
| 00:46.02 | rooly|away | that's odd |
| 00:46.09 | rooly|away | because 16-bit is irrlicht default |
| 00:46.24 | raster | sure |
| 00:46.29 | ieatlint | i'll have to look again at the list of supported engines then |
| 00:46.33 | raster | if u have detailed images and want quality |
| 00:46.40 | raster | software(_x11) |
| 00:46.42 | raster | is the best |
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| 00:47.11 | rooly|away | what are we talking about???? |
| 00:47.22 | ieatlint | efl rendering engines |
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| 00:47.35 | raster | asha! |
| 00:48.12 | raster | ok |
| 00:48.17 | raster | ASU images: |
| 00:48.19 | raster | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 00:48.24 | raster | kernel and rootfs |
| 00:48.36 | raster | wow... |
| 00:48.38 | raster | that rootfs is small |
| 00:48.42 | raster | oh wait |
| 00:48.45 | raster | its not finished uploading |
| 00:48.47 | raster | wait |
| 00:48.48 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.07 | rooly|away | is it worth it? |
| 00:49.07 | ieatlint | wait, why are you building asu images now? |
| 00:49.29 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@201009022239.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:49.33 | rooly|away | i've nearly finished uploading the 080808 image |
| 00:49.52 | *** join/#openmoko ahbritto (n=guest@adsl-69-104-91-160.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:49.56 | Tig| | hehe :) thanks raster :) I will have to grab them in the morning though now as I need to get to bed :( |
| 00:50.18 | raster | 1:30 left... |
| 00:50.22 | ieatlint | wussy pommy has to get to bed :P |
| 00:51.04 | Tig| | ieatlint: m|m it is 2am here :) |
| 00:51.09 | raster | ieatlint: i said i'd build them |
| 00:51.23 | raster | as rooly|away was complaining about ASU problems i've never seen |
| 00:51.27 | *** join/#openmoko xcasex_ (n=rrg@ua-83-227-156-234.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 00:51.29 | raster | and as such as best i can tell.. he never used asu |
| 00:51.31 | raster | :) |
| 00:51.33 | raster | something else |
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| 00:51.34 | raster | not asu |
| 00:51.34 | raster | :) |
| 00:51.43 | CVirus | usa ? |
| 00:51.53 | CVirus | :-p |
| 00:51.54 | raster | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 00:51.56 | raster | ok |
| 00:51.57 | raster | done |
| 00:51.58 | raster | all uploaded |
| 00:52.01 | raster | have fun |
| 00:52.01 | raster | :) |
| 00:52.08 | Tig| | the only image I have seen with flowers in the background was the FSO image |
| 00:52.30 | Tig| | 69meg looks more like it :) |
| 00:52.49 | ieatlint | Tig|: if you used gmt, like you should, it's only 1am |
| 00:53.05 | CVirus | raster: white screen of death fixed yet ? |
| 00:53.07 | Tig| | we are on BST old boy :) |
| 00:53.15 | *** join/#openmoko cnwdup_ (n=harlekin@hnvr-4dbd4a23.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:53.16 | raster | CVirus: i've never seen that one myself |
| 00:53.18 | Stroller | Hey, raster - quick question: with all the ASU & FSO & stuff, is there any way for a program to check if the wifi is on, or GPRS availability? I configured an N95 for a customer the other weekend, and the mail client had this facility to check for new mail every 5 minutes, and select "only if I'm on my home mobile phone network" (thus avoiding expensive roaming charges) |
| 00:53.37 | ieatlint | yeah, bst now, gmt in a couple months |
| 00:53.38 | CVirus | raster: does this mean that your FreeRunner suspends/resumes properly and wakes up properly on incoming calls ? |
| 00:53.39 | ieatlint | why wait.. |
| 00:54.06 | raster | CVirus: i have problems with resume |
| 00:54.08 | ieatlint | just explain to your boss that some guy on irc told you to |
| 00:54.10 | raster | but now white screen |
| 00:54.13 | raster | no |
| 00:54.24 | raster | and incoming calls? |
| 00:54.25 | raster | hahah |
| 00:54.31 | raster | u think i use it as a phone? |
| 00:54.32 | raster | :) |
| 00:54.34 | CVirus | raster: why do you think there are variations of problems with different people ? |
| 00:54.46 | raster | i've made the mistake of trying to use it as a phone before |
| 00:54.50 | CVirus | hehe |
| 00:55.03 | CVirus | not the best thing that you can hear from an OM dev :-p |
| 00:55.03 | ieatlint | i'm using mine as a phone |
| 00:55.20 | Tig| | Stroller: on the FSO image I think it uses DBUS to get resources, I know if you load a GPS app it powers up the GPS etc |
| 00:55.43 | ieatlint | fso is a whole different game |
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| 00:56.29 | Stroller | Tig|: it was DBUS I had in mind, but I don't have the time to explore it at present. |
| 00:56.40 | ieatlint | we should just lock mickey in a room, slip pizza and mountain dew threw a feeding hole to him, and we'd have SHR in a week |
| 00:56.46 | rooly|away | damnit |
| 00:57.00 | rooly|away | raster: why would i want an image that doesn't work as a phone? |
| 00:57.08 | CVirus | ieatlint: don't forget the beer |
| 00:57.18 | Dave | :) |
| 00:57.22 | Dave | can't forget that! |
| 00:57.29 | ieatlint | better be good beer then |
| 00:57.33 | ieatlint | some of that german stuff is crap |
| 00:57.47 | CVirus | you haven't tasted the Egyptian stuff then .. hehe |
| 00:57.51 | raster | rooly|away: because it works better than the asu you have with the flower |
| 00:58.02 | raster | i dont trust it |
| 00:58.06 | rooly|away | but does it work as a phone? |
| 00:58.06 | raster | i've use my sim card in it once |
| 00:58.07 | ieatlint | it doesn't need to be the worst to be crap |
| 00:58.10 | raster | i got an incoming call |
| 00:58.13 | raster | and answered |
| 00:58.15 | raster | and no audio |
| 00:58.19 | raster | other end could hear me |
| 00:58.23 | raster | i couldnt hear them |
| 00:58.30 | raster | and i actually needed that call |
| 00:58.34 | ieatlint | lol |
| 00:58.35 | raster | i've recieves sms's before |
| 00:58.38 | *** join/#openmoko Issac-S (n=Issac-S@208.113.24.206) |
| 00:58.44 | raster | and it wakes up ... it seems |
| 00:58.48 | ieatlint | your alsa state was set incorrectly |
| 00:58.49 | raster | but i'm forever reflashing my phone |
| 00:58.59 | raster | ieatlint: i dont touch my alsa state :) |
| 00:59.04 | raster | but i know of the alsa issues |
| 00:59.18 | ieatlint | the current fso images come with a borked alsa state |
| 01:01.00 | mwester-trip | raster: suspend/resume *will* work; we're sooooo close now; it's mainly the user-space stuff left to fix... |
| 01:01.26 | ieatlint | yay |
| 01:01.33 | CVirus | cool |
| 01:01.44 | ieatlint | mwester: you need one of those accounts where people can buy you a beer |
| 01:01.45 | mwester-trip | It will start working properly *exactly* when the OM kernel devs switch to 2.6.26, and we have to start all over again. |
| 01:01.47 | CVirus | mwester-trip: tomorrow ? |
| 01:01.54 | CVirus | doh |
| 01:02.17 | rooly|away | fsck |
| 01:02.20 | rooly|away | phone doesn't resume |
| 01:02.29 | rooly|away | installs om2007.2 |
| 01:02.32 | mwester-trip | CVirus: nope, but maybe some downloadable patches for testing purposes in a week, assuming I get some time at home to work on things. |
| 01:03.01 | CVirus | mwester-trip: cool |
| 01:03.10 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:03.12 | raster | well ok |
| 01:03.15 | raster | qpe is fucked |
| 01:03.20 | raster | alsa state is screwed |
| 01:03.23 | mwester-trip | That's part of the problem |
| 01:03.26 | raster | no audio on speaker |
| 01:03.53 | mwester-trip | It's hardly worth working on suspend/resume when the core stuff (like the 2008.8 image) won't even bring up the PIN prompt, or register. |
| 01:04.13 | mwester-trip | 2007.2 is still the most stable wrt suspend/resume. |
| 01:04.22 | AntonTakk | 2008.8 registers fine here |
| 01:04.32 | mwester-trip | You're one of the few, AntonTakk |
| 01:04.33 | raster | mwester-trip: mine seems to partly register |
| 01:04.36 | ieatlint | 2008.u8 sucks |
| 01:04.37 | raster | ie incomihngcalls work |
| 01:04.45 | raster | it wont do outgoing asd it has no clue that its connected |
| 01:04.55 | mwester-trip | Exactly the symptoms I have |
| 01:05.08 | raster | i never trusted qtopia/qpe |
| 01:05.24 | raster | even tho sean and will and wolfgang werre "this stuff is the best! it just works! we need this!' |
| 01:05.31 | raster | its not been simple |
| 01:05.35 | raster | nor does it "just work" |
| 01:05.36 | mwester-trip | Basically, there's an endless stream of garbage -- request, error response, request, error response that consumes all available GSM |
| 01:05.36 | raster | either |
| 01:05.37 | raster | :( |
| 01:05.39 | AntonTakk | qtopia seems to not be sensitive enough to fingers |
| 01:06.06 | raster | mwester-trip: do u know of any race conditions with the pmu and backlight? |
| 01:06.12 | AntonTakk | always have to use a key or stylus |
| 01:06.20 | raster | mwester-trip: basically i exec apm -s wich should block until resume |
| 01:06.22 | mwester-trip | raster: only the ones I fixed last weekend |
| 01:06.29 | raster | ie apm shouldnt exit as a child proc until we've resumed |
| 01:06.43 | raster | and then i immediately turn on backlight and restor brightness to what it was |
| 01:06.45 | raster | in usersapce |
| 01:06.48 | raster | the code us hyper-simple |
| 01:06.51 | mwester-trip | :( apm does bad/wierd stuff on 2008.8 |
| 01:07.06 | rooly|away | hmph |
| 01:07.08 | rooly|away | ok |
| 01:07.09 | rooly|away | figured it out |
| 01:07.10 | raster | i stare at it and go "well.. only 1 thng could be wrong here.. apm resturns before the system has suspended" |
| 01:07.18 | rooly|away | err |
| 01:07.32 | raster | and yes |
| 01:07.33 | mwester-trip | It seems to queue up suspend requests, and then when you resume, it doesn't fully resume, but user-space is running |
| 01:07.34 | raster | apm is weird |
| 01:07.37 | raster | mostly i think due to qpe |
| 01:07.38 | rooly|away | alright, so the 2008.8 image doesn't have trouble resuming |
| 01:07.42 | mwester-trip | I removed apm on my image |
| 01:07.44 | rooly|away | it just doesn't turn the backlight on |
| 01:07.49 | raster | as it sets up apmbios redirects for suspend requests |
| 01:08.00 | raster | and often just holds the suspend up from going through forever |
| 01:08.20 | raster | anyway |
| 01:08.20 | mwester-trip | Yep. we need to replace apm with something simpler. |
| 01:08.25 | *** join/#openmoko rooly|away (n=chris@64.92.130.34) |
| 01:08.29 | raster | aother than apm not behaving as i think it should |
| 01:08.37 | raster | the onyl other option was a race condition with pmu/backlight |
| 01:08.39 | raster | and userspace |
| 01:08.47 | mwester-trip | I'll send an RFC to distro; I have a small shell script that can replace apm -s that does what we need for the neo. |
| 01:08.55 | rooly|away | so |
| 01:08.59 | rooly|away | how do i switch on the backlight |
| 01:09.01 | raster | mwester-trip: oh thats easy |
| 01:09.07 | *** part/#openmoko nkinkade (n=nkinkade@adsl-69-109-161-75.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:09.13 | raster | the propbkem is qpe needs to know to shut down modem into standby mode before suspend |
| 01:09.20 | raster | so it uses the apm bios redirect |
| 01:09.25 | raster | personally i agree |
| 01:09.31 | raster | we probably should have a dbus mechanism |
| 01:09.35 | mwester-trip | Oh is that how qpe works? that's awful! |
| 01:09.39 | raster | yup |
| 01:09.43 | raster | so u cant "just rpelace it" |
| 01:09.51 | mwester-trip | Egads, that explains a lot. |
| 01:09.52 | raster | i was writing "mem" to /sys/pwoer/state |
| 01:09.54 | raster | for a while to suspend |
| 01:10.04 | raster | but zecke was not happy |
| 01:10.08 | raster | and i know why |
| 01:10.10 | raster | (now) |
| 01:10.11 | raster | :) |
| 01:10.28 | mwester-trip | Yeah, but apm is way overkill and heavyweight. |
| 01:10.32 | raster | ompower implements a bit of a suspend/resume and "please keep the system alive" blocking protocol |
| 01:10.40 | raster | (dbus) |
| 01:10.51 | mwester-trip | if you are going to suspend after 15 seconds or so, you need for only minimal overhead |
| 01:10.53 | raster | logic can slide in there |
| 01:11.00 | raster | right now it does: system("apm -s"); |
| 01:11.04 | raster | that can change any time |
| 01:11.10 | rooly|away | so... |
| 01:11.18 | raster | but i'd need to add some signals of suspend/resume happend |
| 01:11.26 | raster | and allow clients to have suspend blockers |
| 01:11.32 | raster | the same way apmbios is being used |
| 01:11.34 | mwester-trip | Correct. |
| 01:11.36 | rooly|away | was able to use his FR after a resume |
| 01:11.38 | rooly|away | difficult |
| 01:11.39 | rooly|away | but possible |
| 01:12.22 | mwester-trip | makes a note to go look at the qpe source to see how this is currently done. |
| 01:12.28 | raster | ok |
| 01:12.32 | raster | wakes up on incoming call |
| 01:12.35 | raster | ooh |
| 01:12.41 | raster | now it knows/thinks its got a network |
| 01:12.42 | raster | finally |
| 01:13.13 | CVirus | hehe |
| 01:13.20 | *** join/#openmoko ChandleWEi (n=chandle@210.13.121.62) |
| 01:13.31 | raster | and it can make outgoing calls |
| 01:13.37 | raster | just audio mixer crud is wrong |
| 01:13.40 | CVirus | cool |
| 01:13.41 | raster | no audio on speaker |
| 01:13.54 | CVirus | which image ? |
| 01:15.00 | raster | http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ |
| 01:15.03 | raster | ASU |
| 01:15.08 | raster | just latest build from dev tree |
| 01:15.29 | CVirus | cool |
| 01:15.44 | raster | with some.. changes of my own |
| 01:16.12 | CVirus | raster: will you please try to wakeup on incoming calls a few more times to make sure that the white screen of death doesn't appear ? |
| 01:16.33 | CVirus | I really wanna understand why there's a variation of results between different people |
| 01:16.40 | CVirus | even when they're using the same images |
| 01:16.47 | Dave | :) |
| 01:18.37 | raster | ok |
| 01:18.44 | raster | 3rd time doesnt work |
| 01:18.46 | raster | no wakeup |
| 01:18.59 | CVirus | damn |
| 01:19.09 | mwester-trip | No wakeup at all, or white screen? |
| 01:19.10 | raster | 4th time works |
| 01:19.16 | raster | just no wakeup |
| 01:19.19 | raster | no call |
| 01:19.30 | raster | network reports FR as "unavailable" |
| 01:20.06 | mwester-trip | so the GSM fell off the network |
| 01:20.22 | raster | ok |
| 01:20.24 | raster | tries 6 timews |
| 01:20.28 | raster | failed 1/6 for me |
| 01:20.32 | raster | yup |
| 01:20.35 | raster | fell off the gsm network somehow |
| 01:20.43 | raster | just manually wake up and sleep again and it works |
| 01:20.48 | raster | so probably qpe related |
| 01:20.50 | raster | or calypso |
| 01:21.16 | mwester-trip | That's really bad; that would imply that the GSM is somehow sensitive to something happening during suspend -- but nothing is supposed to be sent or rcvd during suspend. |
| 01:21.43 | raster | dunno |
| 01:21.53 | raster | but woith qpe and calypso... i wouldnt put it past it |
| 01:23.13 | raster | there is a veritable mountain of stuff "not quite working" |
| 01:23.20 | mwester-trip | qpe or the gsm management software should put the calypso to bed, then should stop talking to it, and let the suspend happen; once the serial driver suspends we suspect that the GSM is flow-controlled, and if it has data it will interrupt and cause a resume -- but no data should be sent, and nothing outside of the GSM being put into a flow-controlled state has changed. .. |
| 01:23.22 | raster | somethnig broke hald recently |
| 01:23.28 | raster | wifi is problematic |
| 01:23.39 | raster | gsm is iffy |
| 01:23.46 | raster | glamo is a wonderful soruce of all sorts of fun |
| 01:23.49 | raster | :) |
| 01:24.40 | mwester-trip | Especially now that we dynamically change the SD card's clock and power -- it adds another bit of potentially-non-working bits to some code that was rock-solid earlier. |
| 01:24.52 | raster | hmm |
| 01:24.56 | raster | not sure it was rock solid before |
| 01:25.05 | raster | i have had my sd card be corrupted before |
| 01:25.38 | AntonTakk | are gsm chips all backwards compatible ? (can a 3g phone work on a 2.5/2.75 g network?) |
| 01:26.41 | ieatlint | AntonTakk: not by definition, but in practice... |
| 01:26.55 | ieatlint | 3g with gsm is umts, a different game |
| 01:27.34 | AntonTakk | hrm |
| 01:27.53 | rooly|away | there's probably a bad if in there |
| 01:28.03 | AntonTakk | makes me hope tmobile has 3g here by the time an om phone has 3g :) |
| 01:28.56 | unknown_lamer | if you mean t-mobile US IIRC they have a significant bit of infrastructure -- but on bands theycan't use yet |
| 01:29.08 | unknown_lamer | thanks to existing analog users not cutting their equipment off in time |
| 01:29.18 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 01:29.28 | AntonTakk | and yes, tmobile us |
| 01:29.35 | raster | damn analogers! |
| 01:29.53 | ieatlint | unknown_lamer: not exactly right |
| 01:29.53 | *** join/#openmoko mgregson (n=mgregson@116.233.160.226) |
| 01:30.06 | AntonTakk | i read somewhere that tmobile was planning to begin rollout of 3g in the us within a couple years |
| 01:30.10 | ieatlint | tmobile US bought the bands from the usgov |
| 01:30.33 | ieatlint | and they sold them with the condition of no actual date they need to stop using them by |
| 01:30.42 | ieatlint | however, the bands are already not in use by the gov |
| 01:30.55 | unknown_lamer | ah, my knowledge was a bit out of date... |
| 01:30.56 | ieatlint | and it's merely an issue of installing the towers and the like... manhattan is already 3g |
| 01:31.13 | AntonTakk | i mean, gprs is good enough for my current usage (mostly e-mail) but faster is usually better :) |
| 01:31.15 | ieatlint | rumours say all metro markets will be 3g by new year, most in october |
| 01:31.19 | unknown_lamer | I just want EDGE :-( |
| 01:31.34 | ieatlint | and don't count on any OM phone supporting tmo-us 3g |
| 01:31.37 | unknown_lamer | latency is suck but ... anything is better than GPRS |
| 01:31.40 | ieatlint | because tmo-us 3g is a bastard |
| 01:31.58 | AntonTakk | how so? |
| 01:32.00 | unknown_lamer | demands a gta03 in a year |
| 01:32.04 | ieatlint | tmo-3g uses a hybrid 1700/2100 band that no one else in the world uses |
| 01:32.13 | ieatlint | so phones must be made specifically for tmo-us 3g |
| 01:32.13 | unknown_lamer | what about at&t? |
| 01:32.14 | AntonTakk | oh, joy |
| 01:32.26 | rooly|away | at&t isn't the proprietary one for once? |
| 01:32.29 | rooly|away | amazing |
| 01:32.31 | ieatlint | att uses different bands, but similarly, they are the only ones in the world using them |
| 01:32.38 | rooly|away | oh, nvm |
| 01:32.43 | ieatlint | it's not their intention |
| 01:32.44 | unknown_lamer | woo US 3G is even more broken than US GSM |
| 01:32.49 | ieatlint | the standard bands are already taken |
| 01:32.57 | rooly|away | probably by tv |
| 01:33.09 | rooly|away | i've heard of the existence of a software radio |
| 01:33.11 | unknown_lamer | hmm isn't analog tv off in january? |
| 01:33.12 | ieatlint | so like the nokia n95-3 is for att 3g... won't work on tmo-us 3g, or any other 3g |
| 01:33.20 | AntonTakk | feb |
| 01:33.22 | ieatlint | february |
| 01:33.27 | unknown_lamer | mmm finally |
| 01:33.46 | ieatlint | anyway, 3g is just a nasty mess in the US |
| 01:34.07 | ieatlint | basically, only nokia makes an unbranded att 3g phone methinks |
| 01:34.15 | ieatlint | everything else is controlled by att |
| 01:34.17 | AntonTakk | well, maybe we'll have some sort of wi-max like wifi by then :) |
| 01:34.23 | rooly|away | haha |
| 01:34.24 | rooly|away | yeah |
| 01:34.24 | rooly|away | sure |
| 01:34.32 | ieatlint | as of now, tmo-us hasn't even announced a 3g phone with hspda |
| 01:34.36 | AntonTakk | hey, a guy can dream :) |
| 01:34.58 | ieatlint | so basically, don't get your hopes up with anything :P |
| 01:35.12 | unknown_lamer | I wonder what Verizon is doing ... |
| 01:35.19 | ieatlint | tmo-us is cheap, friendly and in my experiences decent |
| 01:35.26 | ieatlint | verizon is doing ev-do |
| 01:35.41 | ieatlint | which in practice is better than gsm/3g |
| 01:35.51 | unknown_lamer | my uncle (does government related stuff) mentioned something about "opening the network" whatever the Hell that means to them |
| 01:35.58 | ieatlint | however 3g with hspda can in theory achieve higher speeds |
| 01:36.30 | ieatlint | nah, verizon uses a network completely closed by qualcomm |
| 01:36.34 | unknown_lamer | and something involving W-CDMA and maybe ... actual GSM in the future? |
| 01:36.37 | unknown_lamer | but maybe not |
| 01:36.41 | unknown_lamer | it would be nice |
| 01:36.41 | railer | so any idea if FR can have multiple desktops? how do you organize your programs? |
| 01:37.22 | AntonTakk | i don't see why not, it's simply a software feature, i believe |
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| 01:37.35 | ieatlint | mobile phone providers need to solve latency issues methinks |
| 01:37.40 | ieatlint | even 3g data is still like 700ms |
| 01:38.01 | railer | you folks see europe is opening up BW for strictly car to car transmissions, what's that about? |
| 01:38.11 | ieatlint | lol, no |
| 01:38.30 | ieatlint | there are a number of interesting things you could do with that, but they'd be open to hacking |
| 01:38.45 | ieatlint | eg, you get a flat and your car sends out a signal to warn other cars |
| 01:38.47 | AntonTakk | perhaps something like a traffic routing mesh network? |
| 01:39.06 | railer | I dont know what it's about but it's always a good time to make quickkey for the words douchebag and asshole |
| 01:39.18 | ieatlint | hah |
| 01:39.25 | ieatlint | just attach a megaphone to your car |
| 01:39.39 | ieatlint | "hey, you, you're a fucking asshole, learn how to use turn signals" |
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| 01:41.24 | ieatlint | i can only imagine how fast you'd get shot around here if you did that... |
| 01:41.50 | unknown_lamer | I like yelling at car drivers |
| 01:41.58 | unknown_lamer | it is best in the early fall and midspring because they can hear me |
| 01:42.17 | railer | you ever want to just follow those guys home, and with a bat smash out all their turn signals, and then leave a note "There now you have an excuse for not using them, YOu're WELCOME, asshole." |
| 01:42.18 | unknown_lamer | one time I was spat at but the driver did not understand wind and he spat in his own face |
| 01:43.06 | unknown_lamer | nearly getting hit by a giant truck filled me with so much adrenaline I actually caught up with the driver at a light and challenged him to a fight |
| 01:43.16 | ieatlint | some people get off on that unknown_lamer, it could've been some form of auto-eroticism |
| 01:43.20 | rooly|away | ... |
| 01:43.32 | rooly|away | where is a gtk image |
| 01:43.47 | rooly|away | cause this thing still can't seem to resume |
| 01:43.53 | unknown_lamer | I was kind of bummed when he just ran the red light in terror :-( I figure a man in a V12 pickup truck would be a bit ... manlier |
| 01:44.30 | ieatlint | yeah, it's not worth fucking with drivers |
| 01:44.45 | ieatlint | just drives your blood pressure up and increases the chances of you getting pointlessly killed |
| 01:45.38 | unknown_lamer | aww but I have a ulock, steel toed boots, and a terrifying beard :-( |
| 01:45.54 | ieatlint | is the beard bullet proof? |
| 01:46.03 | AntonTakk | or bumper proof? |
| 01:46.17 | railer | back |
| 01:46.18 | unknown_lamer | it's ok I've found that most people aren't willing to go as far as killing someone |
| 01:46.22 | unknown_lamer | ... intentionally |
| 01:46.29 | ieatlint | heh, it only takes one |
| 01:47.00 | unknown_lamer | death is not to be feared :-) especially when you come close to getting run over and are consumed by animalistic instinct for a few seconds |
| 01:47.17 | railer | and if he's willing to kill he's willing to kill for a lot less |
| 01:47.22 | ieatlint | fearing death is one thing, tempting it is another |
| 01:47.49 | ieatlint | the logic in reacting to near-death by prolonging it is not exactly screaming of intelligence |
| 01:48.02 | railer | trust we just had a guy up here cut another guys head off because the guy told him to stop staring at a girl |
| 01:48.18 | unknown_lamer | oh dear |
| 01:48.20 | ieatlint | is that why that guy on the bus did that? |
| 01:49.09 | railer | that and he's comletely bat shit crazy |
| 01:49.20 | ieatlint | no kidding... |
| 01:49.29 | ieatlint | i always thought it took a sane person to decapitate others :P |
| 01:49.38 | AntonTakk | cut the guys head off on the bus? |
| 01:49.40 | ieatlint | except for jeffrey dalmer... the rare exception |
| 01:49.58 | railer | at his preliminary trial he said nothing except "Please Kill Me" |
| 01:50.06 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 01:50.15 | ieatlint | so he was staring at a girl, and the victim told him to stop it? |
| 01:50.44 | railer | okyup |
| 01:50.46 | railer | yup |
| 01:50.50 | ieatlint | i'd have stabbed him, decapitated him, and then ate parts of his flesh too... perfectly reasonable response |
| 01:51.29 | ieatlint | although i feel really sorry for the girl that was being stared at, heh... that'd be a bad feeling of guilt, even though she would hold no actual responsibility |
| 01:51.52 | railer | ya they found the guys ear and lips in the guys pocket when they took him in |
| 01:52.15 | ieatlint | which ear, right or left? |
| 01:52.20 | ieatlint | because the left one is lucky.. |
| 01:52.21 | railer | I assume in case he gets peckish later in the evening? |
| 01:52.46 | rwhitby | this must be the slow hour for #openmoko, hey? |
| 01:52.55 | railer | lol |
| 01:53.00 | ieatlint | no, this is entirely relevant to the phone |
| 01:53.47 | ieatlint | maybe the guy was watching silence of the lambs and got hungry |
| 01:53.57 | AntonTakk | yes, the gta04 needs a revenge mechanism, the owner dies, and the phone goes off like a grenade |
| 01:54.12 | railer | my guess is he just spend 48 trying to get wifi working on his FR and finally snapped when the guy said well if it had windows mobile you'd be fine |
| 01:54.36 | ieatlint | someone could create a gta02 stolen app... if the sim is changed, it starts sending sms with the lat/lon of the phone to the owner |
| 01:55.01 | railer | that would be nice |
| 01:55.23 | railer | oh I have a great app, |
| 01:56.15 | railer | virtual zoo/museum/park tours you download a xml and mp3's which play a preset gps coords |
| 01:56.36 | railer | take virtual tours, |
| 01:56.42 | ieatlint | zoos could implement it cheaper |
| 01:57.01 | ieatlint | alcatraz does that here, but it uses something like rfid |
| 01:57.11 | ieatlint | can get the tour in almost any language |
| 01:57.15 | ieatlint | and it's non-linear |
| 01:58.42 | railer | but how far can rfid work? |
| 01:59.00 | ieatlint | depending on the setup... 10m |
| 01:59.12 | ieatlint | you could also use bt or even wifi |
| 01:59.22 | railer | ok 10 m is impressive but gps is also non linear |
| 01:59.43 | ieatlint | and doesn't work indoors, and can lose signal :P |
| 02:00.06 | railer | it's triggered by the gps and could give you directions to where you want to go, yes would have to be outdoor only |
| 02:00.32 | ieatlint | woz had a racking system that failed |
| 02:01.02 | ieatlint | mobile gps tracking, you'd give your kids gps devices and then be able to monitor where they are in a park (eg, an amusement park) |
| 02:01.48 | railer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rnQIzJA9Xw&eurl=http://www.nodeexplore.com/news.php?newsid=191 |
| 02:01.58 | ieatlint | as cool as the om is, there are simply better devices for what you're suggesting |
| 02:02.19 | ieatlint | you could accomplish it with a hardware mp3 decoder, arduino and a gps module |
| 02:02.26 | railer | you know any of the links to the rfid devices? |
| 02:02.44 | ieatlint | not sure what you mean... |
| 02:02.51 | ieatlint | i have an rfid reader here with me |
| 02:03.36 | ieatlint | long range rfid examples would be payment systems for vehicles which rfid transponders |
| 02:03.59 | railer | well I'm looking for some system that would allow a virtual tour using rental unit to read rfids around a park setting the 5-10m triggers video or mp3 event |
| 02:04.11 | pjj__ | hm what filetypes does the media player in 2007.2 latest version plays? :) |
| 02:04.38 | railer | I assume ogg at minimum |
| 02:04.45 | ieatlint | well, interestingly, you could create a system that used wifi instead of rfid... and the device would play the audio over the wifi instead of storing it locally |
| 02:05.00 | ieatlint | crappier battery life, however |
| 02:05.22 | AntonTakk | would need at least wifi n |
| 02:05.25 | ieatlint | but the infrastructure could be more versatile... could use the wifi aps for various other things as well |
| 02:05.28 | ieatlint | AntonTakk: no |
| 02:05.33 | AntonTakk | i tried pulse with g, sucked |
| 02:05.49 | ieatlint | 11Mbps 802.11b and a 128kbit audio file .. how many clients would that support? :P |
| 02:05.50 | railer | but ieatlint why? with 2g sticks at $13? |
| 02:06.03 | ieatlint | 2g? |
| 02:06.10 | Dave | Railer! |
| 02:06.11 | railer | 2 gigi |
| 02:06.12 | ieatlint | oh, 2gb |
| 02:06.21 | railer | Dave how doin |
| 02:06.30 | Dave | Pretty good |
| 02:06.31 | ieatlint | because you then need to program the devices per-language |
| 02:06.43 | railer | I can't type worth syte |
| 02:06.58 | Dave | pretty much |
| 02:07.41 | railer | with 2 or 3 gb just add a preset |
| 02:08.02 | railer | you would want it all onboard |
| 02:08.16 | railer | it doesn't change enough |
| 02:09.31 | railer | besides it takes what 10 15 seconds to load 200 MB of new mp3 on to a stick |
| 02:09.40 | ieatlint | reprogramming cards would create a strain eventually leading to card failures and would require more operator interaction |
| 02:10.17 | ieatlint | one could easily create a device that would allow you to cycle through languages on the device |
| 02:10.33 | railer | they are $10 each when the stick dies toss it and get a new one. the memory issues is the LEAST of the engineering problems |
| 02:10.39 | ieatlint | keep in mind, people who sell these things aren't geniuses :P |
| 02:10.56 | railer | not sold rented |
| 02:10.57 | ieatlint | ok, then you deal with weird issues as they fail, and confused staff with unhappy customers |
| 02:11.25 | ieatlint | if you want a cool idea, create a system that uses bt to change the profile of your phone |
| 02:11.36 | ieatlint | use a certificate system so only authorised people can do it |
| 02:11.46 | ieatlint | then, you walk into a theatre, and your phone auto-switches to silent |
| 02:11.53 | ieatlint | you walk out, it auto-switches to normal |
| 02:12.02 | railer | oh and using wifi and slow down load every time 3 people show up at the same venue won't cause head aches |
| 02:12.04 | ieatlint | go to a meeting... it changes as you enter the room, etc |
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| 02:13.17 | ieatlint | if you implemented at a system like that, and got backing from phone manufacturers... you could make a LOT of money |
| 02:13.35 | Sargun | ieatlint, a system like what? |
| 02:13.53 | ieatlint | that used bluetooth to tell your phone to enter silent mode |
| 02:13.59 | ieatlint | like when you enter a theatre |
| 02:14.39 | rooly|away | oy vey |
| 02:14.43 | rooly|away | where do i have to route to again |
| 02:14.57 | ieatlint | movie theatre installs a bt transmitter to tell phones go silent, has a certificate system to prevent people from making faking transmitters... |
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| 02:16.05 | rooly|away | route -n |
| 02:16.07 | rooly|away | woops |
| 02:16.08 | rooly|away | so yeah |
| 02:16.18 | pjj__ | micrsoft is making such a DRM (Digital restrictions management) like system.. ieatlint |
| 02:16.44 | ieatlint | heh, drm is nasty though |
| 02:16.47 | railer | so anyhow how do I add all my games on fr into their own desktop? or get the scap screen shot to work on 2008.8? |
| 02:16.56 | ieatlint | i'm not talking about a system that is closed or forces you to do anything |
| 02:17.10 | ieatlint | it'd be like ssl, you say "ok, when odeon theatres tells me to, do it" |
| 02:17.38 | pjj__ | Microsoft is doing some of the most creative thinking along these lines, with something it's calling "Digital Manners Policies." According to its patent application, DMP-enabled devices would accept broadcast "orders" limiting capabilities. Cellphones could be remotely set to vibrate mode in restaurants and concert halls, and be turned off on airplanes and in hospitals. Cameras could be prohibited from taking pictures in locker rooms and |
| 02:17.38 | pjj__ | museums, and recording equipment could be disabled in theaters. Professors finally could prevent students from texting one another during class. |
| 02:18.28 | ieatlint | heh, that's pointless |
| 02:18.32 | pjj__ | source defectivebydesign.org |
| 02:18.39 | ieatlint | any system that forces it simply won't be accepted |
| 02:19.12 | ieatlint | if a professor wants to stop cell phones in his class, tell him to get wire meshed backed wallpaper |
| 02:19.20 | pjj__ | most people don't care or don't understand their freedoms if we are talking about computers etc |
| 02:19.32 | ieatlint | sadly true |
| 02:19.41 | ieatlint | is actually wearing an eff shirt at the moment |
| 02:19.56 | pjj__ | so I could see it happen, hope it won't happen though |
| 02:20.16 | ieatlint | maybe for windows mobile phones it will happen |
| 02:20.21 | ieatlint | i'll just laugh at that though |
| 02:20.37 | pjj__ | and iPhones |
| 02:20.41 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 02:20.57 | ieatlint | idea is good for a voluntary thing, where people otherwise simply forget |
| 02:21.01 | ieatlint | forcing it... never good |
| 02:21.11 | railer | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ how do I organize this? |
| 02:21.26 | pjj__ | yeah if you would get a message, please turn of your phone, that wouldn't be a problem but forcing it is wrong |
| 02:22.12 | ieatlint | well, prompt like bt already does |
| 02:22.24 | ieatlint | when someone tries to connect to your phone, it says "is this ok?" |
| 02:22.42 | ieatlint | and supporting a default "when X asks me, go silent" is also fine |
| 02:22.55 | ieatlint | as long as you can control it |
| 02:23.03 | ieatlint | but it'd otherwise be convenient |
| 02:23.12 | ieatlint | we all forget on occasion to do it |
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| 02:23.19 | ieatlint | ... switch to silent, i mean |
| 02:23.26 | ieatlint | having it go automatically would be nice |
| 02:23.41 | rwhitby | the trouble is that it's too hard to do on most phones. |
| 02:24.07 | rwhitby | on the Treo line, it's a physical slide button on the top of the phone, which you can reach, recognise, and slide, without even removing the phone from your pocket. |
| 02:24.08 | Pjj | anyway I'm on my way to bed |
| 02:24.28 | ieatlint | rwhitby: there's no other way to go to silent? |
| 02:24.48 | rwhitby | ieatlint: sure, you can do it by time, by calendar entry, etc. as well |
| 02:25.00 | rwhitby | but the slide switch on the top is a physical override |
| 02:25.07 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 02:25.09 | rwhitby | if that's on mute, then the phone just won't make a noise. |
| 02:25.31 | railer | what is /.e/e/appshadow? |
| 02:25.33 | ieatlint | the concept is solid methinks, the application could be done with software modification and existing systems |
| 02:25.50 | ieatlint | but the actual implementation would require industry-wide support, and that's unlikely |
| 02:25.59 | rwhitby | I laugh when I see people with phones, and they are trying to put them on mute, and the 15 menu items they need to go through to do so all make a small noise when selected. |
| 02:26.11 | ieatlint | lol |
| 02:26.13 | rwhitby | same for phones that make a sound as you are turning them off. completely idiotic design. |
| 02:26.15 | ieatlint | yeah, i |
| 02:26.16 | ieatlint | yeah, i |
| 02:26.18 | ieatlint | blah |
| 02:26.27 | ieatlint | i'm using to nokia where i would just hold down # |
| 02:26.34 | SirBob1701 | wow i'm going to frenchville, pa tom and openstreetmaps has better mapping of it then google |
| 02:26.43 | ieatlint | i can't talk well now :P |
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| 02:28.25 | SirBob1701 | did you guys see the temp test repos for 2008.8? |
| 02:28.34 | rwhitby | yep |
| 02:28.59 | SirBob1701 | i updated to them and now my keyboard randomly changes between new illume one and old illume one haha |
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| 02:30.08 | trix | where are those repos at sirbob? |
| 02:31.07 | SirBob1701 | trix: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026491.html |
| 02:31.15 | SirBob1701 | remember not completely stable |
| 02:31.42 | trix | thanks :) |
| 02:31.53 | ieatlint | i love fog |
| 02:35.04 | SirBob1701 | hmm so whats the point of the gestures applications right now besides the screen change? the other stuff at the moment seems ok but need a good way to link it. i'd like to up my phone to answer it |
| 02:35.37 | ieatlint | gestures are unreliable for such things methinks |
| 02:35.53 | SirBob1701 | prolly but i like to piss myself off alot haha |
| 02:35.54 | ieatlint | because it's just as likely to answer the call in your pocket, with a walking movement activating it |
| 02:35.57 | Pyrasi | anyone know if installing pulse-audio on the latest ASU builds still breaks all audio? |
| 02:36.16 | ieatlint | it however could be fun for games |
| 02:36.35 | SirBob1701 | ieatlint: true. lol imagine playing snake with it |
| 02:36.37 | ieatlint | here's to hoping someone can get hardware acceleration for neverball and accelerometer input for control |
| 02:36.44 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 02:36.50 | Pyrasi | i like the face down on the table not moving means silent mode idea |
| 02:36.59 | ieatlint | controlling snake with it would be easy |
| 02:37.29 | SirBob1701 | i can see myself never getting the hang of it |
| 02:37.33 | AntonTakk | ieatlint: that would be awesome for neverball |
| 02:37.46 | Pyrasi | or better yet, does anyone know of a media player that works on 2008.8 that wont break audio? |
| 02:37.53 | AntonTakk | ieatlint: could use the compas to aim for never putt :) |
| 02:38.05 | ieatlint | compas? |
| 02:38.26 | AntonTakk | er, how ever it determines the direction yer facing |
| 02:38.37 | ieatlint | it doesn't |
| 02:38.59 | SirBob1701 | just math. and history |
| 02:39.02 | ieatlint | you could buy a compass module though |
| 02:39.03 | AntonTakk | then fhy does tango show the direction you are heading? |
| 02:39.07 | SirBob1701 | for headed direction |
| 02:39.11 | AntonTakk | ah |
| 02:39.16 | ieatlint | AntonTakk: it figures your direction as you move |
| 02:39.20 | SirBob1701 | ya |
| 02:39.28 | ieatlint | in the "you used to be here, now you're here, so you must've moved north" |
| 02:39.37 | ieatlint | but if you stay still, it has no idea |
| 02:39.52 | ieatlint | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=83 ... $60 buys you a digital compass |
| 02:39.58 | SirBob1701 | standing still i read that the gps thows out minute (minuute??) changes all the time so it will cause a direction |
| 02:40.14 | Pyrasi | GPS tells you the direction of the movement |
| 02:40.44 | Pyrasi | the GPS satellites send back your speed, lat, long, time, and direction |
| 02:40.55 | SirBob1701 | http://gizmodo.com/5037264/the-beerdolier-drink-like-a-commando |
| 02:41.00 | ieatlint | SirBob1701: yeah, so do the accelerometers |
| 02:41.13 | ieatlint | if you put the phone still, and don't touch it, the gps coords will vary slightly |
| 02:41.20 | ieatlint | and the accelerometer info will too |
| 02:41.49 | ieatlint | Pyrasi: they don't send your speed or direction |
| 02:42.11 | ieatlint | you can calculate it based on how far you moved and in what direction at a certain interval |
| 02:42.58 | ieatlint | you could actually add a compass to the neo, but it'd be a real hack :P |
| 02:43.10 | Pyrasi | are you sure they dont? I was writing a gps app for an old nokia phone, and I got all of those back as well....i mean i guess the motorola driver could have been calculating it...but i didnt think it was |
| 02:43.27 | ieatlint | i am positive |
| 02:43.28 | Pyrasi | and by nokia i mean nextel |
| 02:43.53 | Pyrasi | huh....fair enough. |
| 02:44.24 | ieatlint | you can find guies about the nmea data the gps puts out online |
| 02:44.49 | ieatlint | http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt for instance |
| 02:45.21 | ieatlint | http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm might be easier to understand |
| 02:45.41 | mmontour | GPS sats don't send anything "back" - each satellite sends a 1-way broadcast of its time and orbital position. The receiver calculates everything else. |
| 02:46.23 | ieatlint | yep, which is why you can use gps receivers on a play... they don't transmit |
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| 02:47.27 | tkep | hello everyone |
| 02:47.29 | rooly|away | does anyone know the ip of the download server? |
| 02:48.33 | ieatlint | which server? |
| 02:48.41 | rooly|away | downloads.openmoko.org |
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| 02:48.48 | SUNWjoejaxx | $ dig +short downloads.openmoko.org |
| 02:48.48 | SUNWjoejaxx | shakti.openmoko.org. |
| 02:48.48 | SUNWjoejaxx | 88.198.93.219 |
| 02:48.59 | rooly|away | problem is, go to that site |
| 02:49.03 | ieatlint | what he said |
| 02:49.05 | rooly|away | hit up firefox and look at the site |
| 02:49.15 | rooly|away | it's not the download server we all know and love |
| 02:49.40 | SUNWjoejaxx | virtual hosts :P |
| 02:50.10 | rooly|away | crap |
| 02:50.26 | rooly|away | my fr isn't resolving ip's |
| 02:53.08 | SirBob1701 | prolly resolv.conf |
| 02:53.12 | rooly|away | nope |
| 02:53.25 | rooly|away | my wpa_supplicant was using the wrong ssid |
| 02:53.35 | SirBob1701 | damn |
| 02:53.36 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 02:54.00 | SirBob1701 | hmm i need a good gtk2.0 rc |
| 02:54.18 | tkep | so what exactly was the angstrom update i applied today with opkg upgrade? |
| 02:55.31 | rooly|away | there |
| 02:55.31 | rooly|away | got it |
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| 03:12.18 | hipitihop | can someone tell me where the flower background image us stored on the fr ? using recent buildserver rootfs |
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| 03:17.52 | ieatlint | uhm, i dunno, but i'll bet you it's a png image |
| 03:18.00 | ieatlint | try searching for a png images in /usr |
| 03:18.56 | ieatlint | it impresses me how much 2008.8 sucks, and considering i am content with 2007.2 or fso... that says something |
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| 03:23.17 | netx | does anyone have the infamous "registering..." problem on other distribs, or it it a problem that affects only 2007.2? |
| 03:24.44 | raster | 2008.8 doesnt register reliably too |
| 03:26.04 | netx | hmm, is 2008.8 still using gsmd? or is it using a different radio controller? |
| 03:26.48 | raster | no |
| 03:26.52 | raster | qtopia |
| 03:27.21 | netx | drat. was afraid of that. sounds more like a hardware problem then, i suppose |
| 03:27.58 | ieatlint | i think the comparison of the openmoko to linux in the 90s is valid... each distro/image has it's benefits, weaknesses, and none work quite right :P |
| 03:28.19 | tunys | netx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems |
| 03:28.37 | ieatlint | gps_ |
| 03:28.39 | ieatlint | ? |
| 03:29.08 | ieatlint | netx: gsm issues are not a hardware problem |
| 03:29.14 | ieatlint | it's a software problem |
| 03:29.35 | ieatlint | mwester earlier said that in the .24 kernel, they are "very" close to having it fixed/reliable |
| 03:29.58 | ieatlint | although with fso, i haven't had someone tell me they tried to call and didn't get through since july |
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| 03:30.44 | netx | tunys: i was referring to gsm, not gps |
| 03:30.55 | ieatlint | brb |
| 03:30.57 | netx | ieatlint: good, i was hoping for a s/w rather than h/w fix |
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| 03:31.12 | tunys | netx: oh, sorry, I have the dumb |
| 03:31.16 | tunys | can't brain today |
| 03:31.20 | netx | tunys: np ;-) |
| 03:31.52 | ieatlint | ok, now i properly have my domain displayed instead of an ip.. yay |
| 03:32.22 | netx | i am thinking seriously about flashing to fso, do you know if it can be updated via opkg, or will i need to reflash for each milestone? |
| 03:32.28 | ieatlint | netx: if power (suspend) weren't an issue, gsm would be solved today |
| 03:32.36 | ieatlint | the issue is suspending and waking up for a call |
| 03:32.54 | netx | hmm, i have the problem even when i turn off the power management |
| 03:33.13 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 03:33.21 | ieatlint | fso isn't perfect |
| 03:33.28 | ieatlint | sms on fso has drawbacks |
| 03:33.33 | ieatlint | and phone calls too... |
| 03:33.52 | ieatlint | but when it comes to reliably receiving calls.. fso is king in my opinion/experience |
| 03:34.12 | netx | actually, once 2007.2, in my experience, does finally get registered, it suspends/resumes properly |
| 03:34.15 | ieatlint | sms has a bit of work, and there's no call log in zhone |
| 03:34.26 | ieatlint | yeah, 2007.2 isn't bad |
| 03:34.36 | ieatlint | 2008.8/asu is a nightmare :P |
| 03:34.42 | netx | yeah, i have been following fso and i realize it's still very early |
| 03:35.03 | ieatlint | before 2008.8 was released i kept trying to tell people to not get excited... next time they'll believe me, perhaps :P |
| 03:35.30 | netx | it's weird, when i use libgsmd-tool to manually O;r;P it tells me the network cell # and operator name |
| 03:35.44 | netx | but for some reason, the autoregister system can't seem to get that |
| 03:36.01 | ieatlint | you a developer? |
| 03:36.28 | netx | not an openmoko dev, but i am a programmer in general |
| 03:36.49 | ieatlint | so go learn fso's dbus api and mae a nice ui :P |
| 03:36.55 | netx | right now i am swamped at work, so i am trying to not spend too much time playing w/ my phone ;-) |
| 03:37.14 | ieatlint | i would, but i still can't figure out quite what a variable is, or how to "use" one |
| 03:37.18 | netx | hah, yeah, i am no UI programmer, more backend stuff |
| 03:37.21 | SUNWjoejaxx | wait |
| 03:37.46 | SUNWjoejaxx | what image has the Splash with the green progression bar? |
| 03:37.56 | raster | ASU |
| 03:38.19 | ieatlint | and 2008.8 |
| 03:38.28 | ieatlint | the boots |
| 03:38.30 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
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| 03:39.01 | ieatlint | oh, damn, i need to finish my beer and catch a bus in 6 min |
| 03:39.32 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
| 03:39.34 | SUNWjoejaxx | interesting |
| 03:39.49 | ieatlint | yeah, it's guinnness, so it's interesting and enjoyable |
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| 03:40.30 | SUNWjoejaxx | ieatlint: i wonder which image i had on here then hahaha |
| 03:40.48 | Infoport | in other news, the #1 Threat on the Threatdown (Colbert Report) is...the iPhone! |
| 03:40.59 | ieatlint | when did you install it? |
| 03:41.46 | ieatlint | if you installed it prior to 8/8, then it was asu |
| 03:41.48 | netx | SUNWjoejaxx: i noticed that when i updated 2007.2 w/ opkg, i started getting a boots splash briefly too |
| 03:41.53 | ieatlint | after then, asu or 2008.8 |
| 03:42.04 | ieatlint | heh, ok, nm |
| 03:42.16 | ieatlint | it wasn't fso or qtopia, anyway :P |
| 03:42.30 | netx | it shows up for only a second or 2 before being replaced by the openmoko splash |
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| 03:42.36 | ieatlint | ok, bbl |
| 03:42.44 | netx | ieatlint: l8r |
| 03:42.45 | SUNWjoejaxx | netx: hmm |
| 03:44.03 | hipitihop | I've looked through /usr for *.png and so far no luck findind the flower background. Anyone know where it is ? |
| 03:44.06 | SUNWjoejaxx | goes to flash with 2008.8 |
| 03:46.18 | trix | 2008.8 with the dev repo updates seems to be pretty stable..of course that's just in the 30 minutes or so i've been playing with it |
| 03:46.49 | hipitihop | More importantly, I can receive calls and send sms but can't initiate a call on my buildhost image 080813. Does this work for anyone else ? |
| 03:46.51 | tkep | i wouldn't agree that 2008.8 is a nightmare |
| 03:47.21 | tkep | i am really liking the progress made on it... |
| 03:47.44 | tkep | i wouldn't mind testing packages either to make work on it go much faster |
| 03:50.29 | trix | i've had no luck importing vcards with qtopia/asu, however, and that stinks |
| 03:51.01 | trix | i'm past keeping 2 phones on me so i can look up who it is who's calling me |
| 03:51.03 | trix | haha |
| 03:51.16 | trix | now it's all about area codes. |
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| 03:56.08 | tkep | anyone had any real luck improving battery life in om2008.8? |
| 03:59.38 | ace-- | i keep getting "fork" failed when running opkg after which it coredumps |
| 04:00.02 | ace-- | after runnig it a number of times it sometimes works |
| 04:00.22 | ace-- | has anyone had any similar problems? |
| 04:01.31 | SUNWjoejaxx | oh and btw the leather horizontal magnetic holsters for the Blackberry 7100g fit the Freerunner perfectly :D |
| 04:02.42 | ace-- | this happens mainly when trying to install something |
| 04:03.54 | ace-- | it seems to have 25mb free |
| 04:03.58 | ace-- | (of ram) |
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| 04:08.32 | ace-- | actually even opkg update fails, i've even increased the ulimits |
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| 04:12.53 | ace-- | hm, i removed a bunch of sources and now it works - sounds like opkg is a bit memory hungry :) |
| 04:16.12 | linuxxr | Collected errors: |
| 04:16.13 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.13 | linuxxr | root@om-gta02:~# opkg update |
| 04:17.36 | SUNWjoejaxx | well i just flashed to 2008.8 we will see soon |
| 04:19.03 | johnsu01 | the wiki warns about having a Default.kbd file laying around, and I have had a lot of problems with illume crashing... where might this file be if it exists? |
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| 04:29.03 | SUNWjoejaxx | well i was definitely not on 2008.8 haha |
| 04:29.29 | linuxxr | what no installer? |
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| 04:33.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | 2008.8 reminds me of the openmoko website |
| 04:34.08 | dpaterso | how so |
| 04:34.19 | SUNWjoejaxx | simplicity |
| 04:34.32 | SUNWjoejaxx | the black background with green highlights |
| 04:34.43 | SUNWjoejaxx | like with the button links on the openmoko website |
| 04:34.52 | dpaterso | oh yes |
| 04:36.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | :) |
| 04:37.03 | dpaterso | I have not been able to get anything on my phone to work. |
| 04:37.14 | dpaterso | Hoping that an idiot version will come out soon. |
| 04:38.01 | linuxxr | the pkone? |
| 04:38.06 | linuxxr | phone? |
| 04:38.19 | linuxxr | at&t? |
| 04:38.56 | linuxxr | helo? |
| 04:39.45 | linuxxr | ive had all the os's on my phone cept debian |
| 04:40.02 | dpaterso | really |
| 04:40.08 | dpaterso | which one is the best? |
| 04:40.12 | linuxxr | patterson u have att? |
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| 04:40.25 | dpaterso | I am Canadian.... Rogers |
| 04:40.26 | linuxxr | 2008.8 i think |
| 04:40.29 | Pyrasi | can anyone use bluetooth on the recent ASU builds? |
| 04:40.39 | tsudot | i cant find the file makevars.sh used for the build bu qmake process |
| 04:40.54 | dpaterso | Thank you linuxxr |
| 04:41.01 | linuxxr | for/ |
| 04:41.03 | linuxxr | ? |
| 04:41.16 | dpaterso | 2008.8 i think |
| 04:41.23 | tsudot | can anyone help me? |
| 04:41.31 | linuxxr | 20070424 was the best before |
| 04:41.58 | linuxxr | i liked fso real well |
| 04:42.02 | dpaterso | so flash the kernal firsts, then...? |
| 04:42.08 | dpaterso | first |
| 04:42.09 | linuxxr | qtopia was great |
| 04:42.13 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah |
| 04:42.19 | SUNWjoejaxx | i really liked qtopia |
| 04:42.23 | linuxxr | the rootfs next |
| 04:42.39 | dpaterso | kernal, then rootfs.... is that all? |
| 04:43.06 | linuxxr | well a new uboot maybe |
| 04:43.16 | linuxxr | yea thats all |
| 04:43.16 | dpaterso | ok |
| 04:43.38 | dpaterso | thank you..... recharging my battery to take another run at it. |
| 04:43.44 | linuxxr | if your not going to dual boot u need a uboot update |
| 04:44.08 | dpaterso | no, not going to dual boot. maybe that has been my problem |
| 04:44.14 | linuxxr | on mty sys it was./dfu instead of dfu |
| 04:44.41 | linuxxr | if u dual boot u need an upgrade |
| 04:44.52 | linuxxr | uboot otherwise |
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| 04:45.02 | linuxxr | dont |
| 04:45.18 | linuxxr | no phone? |
| 04:46.08 | linuxxr | open the sim holder a look an see if the tab is contacting the sim contact |
| 04:47.08 | linuxxr | my sim contacts on the sim that was shipped to me was offset to the point of shorting out on the holder tab |
| 04:47.26 | linuxxr | so checkit |
| 04:48.30 | linuxxr | if its touching the contact it is fefective by design |
| 04:48.31 | dbmoodb | hi on the 2007.2 release how does one get to the second menu -- to flip the orientation i managed to get to it once -- how do i do it again ? |
| 04:48.47 | linuxxr | aux button |
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| 04:48.57 | linuxxr | top left |
| 04:49.05 | Stroller | lol |
| 04:49.18 | Stroller | There was old dbmoodb clicking away at icons on the screen |
| 04:49.39 | linuxxr | ahhh |
| 04:49.43 | Stroller | And it went into portrait 'cause in his frustration he gripped it hard |
| 04:49.45 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.13 | linuxxr | a cracked the screen in his frustration |
| 04:50.21 | Stroller | lol |
| 04:50.31 | Stroller | That's what *I'd* do! |
| 04:50.56 | Stroller | fuck me, you should hear how I yell at slow drivers |
| 04:51.14 | linuxxr | well stopit |
| 04:51.27 | Stroller | BIAB |
| 04:51.32 | linuxxr | do u hit the steering wheel to? |
| 04:52.30 | dpaterso | I just changet to landscape..... hooray. |
| 04:54.42 | dpaterso | what it carrierclass.net? |
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| 04:55.55 | SUNWjoejaxx | booting FSO |
| 04:56.02 | SUNWjoejaxx | let us see how this image is |
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| 05:00.04 | SUNWjoejaxx | well that was short lived |
| 05:00.11 | donomo | laughs |
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| 05:02.49 | SUNWjoejaxx | i think i have tried ever image now except the Debian ones |
| 05:02.55 | SUNWjoejaxx | every* |
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| 05:03.17 | dpaterso | which is best? |
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| 05:04.00 | SUNWjoejaxx | qtopia and which ever one i had originally |
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| 05:04.10 | SUNWjoejaxx | which i cannot figure out what version |
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| 05:04.35 | dpaterso | it is great to hear that you are confused, Joe.... I lose track too. |
| 05:05.17 | SUNWjoejaxx | dpaterso: on qtopia i could make calls/receive txt (iirc) |
| 05:05.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | dpaterso: wifi and bluetooth worked |
| 05:05.28 | dpaterso | I get an error 60 when I try to flash qtopia. |
| 05:05.31 | dpaterso | wow!!! |
| 05:05.45 | dpaterso | I have made calls..... never had any thing with WIFI |
| 05:06.12 | dpaterso | do you recall which qtopia images? |
| 05:06.27 | ozzloy | is it safe to run opkg update; opkg upgrade on 2008.8? |
| 05:07.25 | SUNWjoejaxx | dpaterso: the one under ROM images with the "updated" tag and 2008/8/13 release date |
| 05:07.38 | dpaterso | thank you joe |
| 05:09.05 | Pyrasi | has anyone been able to get bluetooth to work with 2008.8? |
| 05:09.18 | Pyrasi | i keep having problems |
| 05:09.42 | SUNWjoejaxx | dpaterso: you are most welcome |
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| 05:14.39 | SUNWjoejaxx | yeah i think qtopia is going back on here |
| 05:17.13 | linuxxr | just put 2008.8 on there an HELP |
| 05:17.29 | linuxxr | put qutopia on the sd |
| 05:17.41 | linuxxr | i love to hate it |
| 05:17.47 | SUNWjoejaxx | hmm |
| 05:17.51 | SUNWjoejaxx | maybe i shoulw |
| 05:17.53 | SUNWjoejaxx | should* |
| 05:17.59 | linuxxr | m a be |
| 05:18.17 | SUNWjoejaxx | goes to look up the dual boot docs |
| 05:18.34 | linuxxr | cant get all u damn engineers to head in the same direction |
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| 05:19.58 | SUNWjoejaxx | linuxxr: :P |
| 05:20.30 | linuxxr | some have an issue with phne calls on 2008.8 but the wiki points out that" if u get a call dont hang up an run these commands |
| 05:20.48 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.10 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:21.46 | linuxxr | since the phone calls were stable on #1 |
| 05:23.22 | linuxxr | that right there is "bolts being left loose " on purpose |
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| 05:24.22 | linuxxr | when i first installed 2008.8 the first thing i noticed was no calls |
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| 05:26.26 | linuxxr | then after using the qtopia release ,withhout a problem, i put 2008.8 back on an the phone worked --go figure |
| 05:28.10 | linuxxr | so is md5sum used or not because it seems to me that what u get is not always correct |
| 05:28.37 | linuxxr | i could be wrong but i dont think so |
| 05:29.58 | linuxxr | are there md5sum automatic checks of the downloaded software when an install/upgrade is preformed |
| 05:30.12 | linuxxr | are there md5sum automatic checks of the downloaded software when an install/upgrade is preformed? |
| 05:30.41 | linuxxr | i cant rember seeing in the opkg output |
| 05:31.50 | linuxxr | well is it on there yet:) |
| 05:32.47 | linuxxr | the next modle needs a wqay of changing the sdcard readily from the exterior |
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| 05:37.11 | SUNWjoejaxx | linuxxr: i was already in the process of flashing qtopia :P |
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| 05:40.39 | raster | flashes |
| 05:41.57 | linuxxr | iss it 080808 qtopia or fso |
| 05:42.09 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.26 | SUNWjoejaxx | qtopia080808 |
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| 05:43.44 | linuxxr | so since 2008.8 openmoko is default i thought it best to stick with openmoko |
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| 05:44.09 | linuxxr | an gps works an phone works |
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| 05:44.32 | linuxxr | an i can listen to my messages |
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| 05:45.12 | linuxxr | an has installer |
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| 06:00.19 | raster | ok |
| 06:00.26 | raster | quick quick quick poll |
| 06:00.43 | raster | if you have 6 "punctuaion" chars you need the most - what are they |
| 06:00.44 | raster | 6 only |
| 06:01.06 | raster | (for now i have . - ? , / !) |
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| 06:03.56 | zash | + - < > [ ] |
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| 06:04.36 | raster | zash: for regular egnlish text |
| 06:04.40 | raster | not for coding or terminals |
| 06:05.03 | zash | what, you didn't get my brainfuck reference? |
| 06:05.14 | raster | as i said |
| 06:05.16 | raster | not for coding |
| 06:05.17 | raster | :) |
| 06:05.59 | dbmoodb | any voip clients yet ? |
| 06:07.36 | zash | raster: iduno about / |
| 06:07.36 | lindi- | dbmoodb: why wouldn't all work? |
| 06:07.50 | raster | zash: suggestion to replace? |
| 06:07.52 | raster | ' |
| 06:07.53 | raster | " |
| 06:07.55 | dbmoodb | lindi-: couldn't get to build linphone / other |
| 06:08.06 | raster | $ |
| 06:08.07 | zash | raster: for english, probably ' |
| 06:08.09 | raster | & |
| 06:08.25 | raster | just looking for the most common |
| 06:08.41 | raster | i basically squeezed the kbd down a bit and have room for 3 keys on the right |
| 06:08.44 | zash | do some statistics on wp |
| 06:08.49 | raster | along wiht shift that makes for 6 symbols |
| 06:08.51 | lindi- | dbmoodb: apt-get --build source linphone works for me |
| 06:09.08 | raster | aah fuck it |
| 06:09.15 | raster | if i need to do stat analysis..., |
| 06:09.15 | raster | i' |
| 06:09.20 | raster | i'll leave it |
| 06:09.24 | dbmoodb | lindi-: what ? |
| 06:09.28 | raster | pacthes/debates accepted |
| 06:09.29 | raster | :) |
| 06:09.29 | dbmoodb | are you on debian fso ? |
| 06:09.29 | zash | raster: haha |
| 06:10.24 | lindi- | dbmoodb: debian with fso tools packaged |
| 06:10.42 | raster | ok |
| 06:10.43 | raster | - or / |
| 06:10.47 | raster | whihc is more useful? |
| 06:10.48 | zash | raster: you might be able to skip - |
| 06:10.54 | lindi- | dbmoodb: plain 'apt-get install linphone' works too but if you insist on compiling you can 'apt-get --build source linphone' |
| 06:11.05 | raster | (in english) |
| 06:11.05 | dbmoodb | lindi-: ok will look into but but -- my sdcard gets wipied on suspend ...grumbles |
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| 06:11.18 | zash | raster: with some magic |
| 06:11.21 | lindi- | dbmoodb: it's only the partition table? |
| 06:11.27 | dbmoodb | ah.. ? |
| 06:11.35 | dbmoodb | well the paritions get all mixed up |
| 06:11.48 | zash | raster: / in english feels not critical |
| 06:11.53 | raster | u can still get al the punct chars |
| 06:12.05 | raster | u just need to flip to the numbers layout |
| 06:12.08 | raster | where it has them all |
| 06:12.18 | zash | raster: but, blabla.blabla makes no sence, so some magic like s/\b\.\b/-/ ? |
| 06:12.19 | raster | i just want to cover the most common ones together with qwerty |
| 06:12.35 | zash | raster: probably out of scope for a keyboard |
| 06:12.40 | zash | if its just a keyboard |
| 06:12.55 | raster | its just a keyboard |
| 06:13.03 | raster | you're getting into entire language/ionput analysis |
| 06:13.11 | raster | whihc goes beyond 1 word at a time |
| 06:13.22 | raster | there is a point at whihc i need to call it quits |
| 06:13.27 | raster | and decide its not the job of a keyboard anymore |
| 06:13.28 | raster | :) |
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| 06:14.26 | dbmoodb | lindi-: post an image ? maybe.... |
| 06:14.40 | zash | i think my old nokia does some stuff like that anyways |
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| 06:14.45 | dbmoodb | would be nice ... / how does one go about making an working iamge of it ... (phone running debian) |
| 06:14.55 | dbmoodb | my tar failed... |
| 06:15.01 | zash | replace dots in middle of words with - |
| 06:15.17 | lindi- | dbmoodb: image? |
| 06:15.26 | dbmoodb | like a copy of the install |
| 06:15.56 | zash | höh, bla.t gives bla:t |
| 06:15.58 | lindi- | dbmoodb: not sure if it's ready for that yet |
| 06:16.17 | dbmoodb | its beta / alpha sure still |
| 06:16.46 | dbmoodb | how do i do it -- properly so i don't have to deboostrap every new suspend killing of the sdcard ? |
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| 06:17.20 | lindi- | dbmoodb: if you want to help you can test the installation script |
| 06:17.31 | dbmoodb | ah ? |
| 06:17.58 | lindi- | dbmoodb: http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.txt.gismo |
| 06:18.15 | lindi- | hmm, those are the notes |
| 06:18.40 | lindi- | http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh is the script, i've only manually followed the notes |
| 06:19.27 | dbmoodb | do i need a new uboot ? |
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| 06:19.38 | lindi- | dbmoodb: nope |
| 06:20.08 | lindi- | boots just fine with the ancient version i have in NOR |
| 06:21.24 | dbmoodb | lindi-: anyway to fix / restore after the paritiont table gets wonkey ? |
| 06:22.03 | lindi- | dbmoodb: make a backup of it |
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| 06:22.31 | lindi- | dbmoodb: then boot nand and restore it from there? |
| 06:22.34 | dbmoodb | yeah i was asking how to do that -- the best way |
| 06:22.37 | linuxxr | is not uboot in control of that? |
| 06:23.49 | linuxxr | u use fdisk to do it? |
| 06:24.02 | lindi- | linuxxr: to do what? |
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| 06:29.32 | linuxxr | the sdcard? |
| 06:30.01 | lindi- | linuxxr: are you asking how to backup the partition table ? |
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| 06:35.11 | linuxxr | i cant get my sd card to fdisk at all it just reverts back to the orioginal table |
| 06:35.43 | linuxxr | so i bought a 2 gig thinking the 512 was bad |
| 06:36.09 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.30 | aggtrfrad | which image would u recomment for regular cellphone use? |
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| 06:37.01 | linuxxr | the original 1 worked ok |
| 06:37.17 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.20 | lindi- | linuxxr: ? |
| 06:37.32 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.37 | aggtrfrad | the original one no suspend right? |
| 06:37.45 | lindi- | linuxxr: would be very interesting if only 512 bytes were somehow broken |
| 06:37.47 | undrwater | linuxxr: are you rebooting after the fdisk? |
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| 06:38.13 | undrwater | and before making your filesystem |
| 06:38.14 | linuxxr | well it always gives that error |
| 06:38.29 | linuxxr | reboot the freerunner? |
| 06:38.36 | aggtrfrad | does milestone2 have suspend working? |
| 06:38.42 | undrwater | are you using the FR to make your filesystem? |
| 06:38.52 | linuxxr | no ssh in |
| 06:39.15 | lindi- | linuxxr: what error? |
| 06:39.17 | undrwater | but the FR is doing the work? |
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| 06:39.26 | linuxxr | yup |
| 06:39.50 | undrwater | lindi- asked...what error? |
| 06:40.11 | linuxxr | i make it throuhg but error is reverting back to original |
| 06:40.31 | undrwater | can you state what the error actually said? |
| 06:40.41 | linuxxr | i reproduce |
| 06:40.47 | linuxxr | hold on |
| 06:40.50 | undrwater | that's human |
| 06:40.52 | undrwater | ;) |
| 06:40.57 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 06:41.47 | undrwater | anyone else frustrated that the screen can't be read in full sun? |
| 06:42.45 | phrozen77 | it cant? |
| 06:42.47 | phrozen77 | :( |
| 06:42.50 | dbmoodb | undrwater: meh don't care |
| 06:42.54 | phrozen77 | getting my moko hopefully tomorrow |
| 06:43.06 | dbmoodb | it can... |
| 06:43.14 | linuxxr | in the shade |
| 06:43.37 | undrwater | yeah...used it as a phone today...got a call...pulled it out of my pocket...couldn't shade it with my hands enough to be read...missed the call |
| 06:43.55 | undrwater | if BT gets running, that won't matter as much |
| 06:43.57 | dbmoodb | undrwater: you have a body don't you ? |
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| 06:44.31 | undrwater | dbmoodb: i do....but sun passes right through it...actually, i coudn't make enough shade to read it...i had light dimmed to save power...made it tough |
| 06:44.35 | dbmoodb | lindi-: how does one get the wifi to work |
| 06:44.50 | dbmoodb | (debian) |
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| 06:45.14 | phrozen77 | dbmoodb, #debian |
| 06:45.21 | dbmoodb | no that's not debian |
| 06:45.26 | dbmoodb | does the module work or not ? |
| 06:45.44 | undrwater | zaurus has this beautiful trans-reflective screen...works really well in full sunlight |
| 06:45.48 | dbmoodb | phrozen77: i'm not interested in the setup i'm interested if it works or not |
| 06:47.13 | linuxxr | thats crazy it worked that time |
| 06:47.45 | undrwater | it's cause i was here :P ;) |
| 06:47.53 | linuxxr | yup |
| 06:47.57 | linuxxr | prolly |
| 06:49.40 | undrwater | has anyone used the qtopia sync agent? |
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| 07:20.17 | linuxxr | minimo for 2008.8? |
| 07:23.13 | Wonka | *sigh* kernel still running, pinging via USB networking works, but no ssh |
| 07:23.21 | Wonka | after a night of nothing |
| 07:24.21 | raster | asha |
| 07:24.29 | raster | man ... still more kbd touchups. |
| 07:24.36 | raster | like a neverending source of them |
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| 07:29.47 | linuxxr | wonka |
| 07:31.35 | Wonka | screen lit back up after replugging USB |
| 07:31.49 | Wonka | but no reaction on touchscreen or button presses |
| 07:32.02 | Wonka | only other reaction is pongs |
| 07:33.53 | kd8ikt | coma? |
| 07:33.56 | malik1972 | i am on holiday now and i dont know where to start with my neo:-) |
| 07:34.29 | linuxxr | install 2008.8 |
| 07:35.05 | malik1972 | debian + zhone maybe an option |
| 07:35.15 | Wonka | first, i'll reboot and get an image (and extra tarball) of everything i've got in flash |
| 07:35.29 | malik1972 | linuxrr: i installed it yet on the 2nd partition:-) |
| 07:35.35 | Wonka | also a list of installed packages |
| 07:35.39 | Wonka | and versions |
| 07:36.51 | malik1972 | i hope that the work of all the people out there will "converge" to somewhat we can call stable release |
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| 07:44.16 | kd8ikt | heh cool i just got an email from ken young (author of orrery star map program) |
| 07:44.44 | SpeedEvil | Oh - really. (in Scooby voice) |
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| 07:46.11 | kd8ikt | that is a neato program |
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| 07:46.45 | kd8ikt | although the stars out here are barely ever visible |
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| 07:51.32 | yuchih | hello all, i am a newbie from Taiwan |
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| 07:53.18 | yuchih | i am interested in the wifi chip- Atheros AR6001GZ used in FreeRunner |
| 07:53.54 | yuchih | does anyone know why FreeRunner choices this chip ? |
| 07:55.27 | kd8ikt | i think cause of the GPL'd kernel modules/driver to speak to it |
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| 07:59.05 | yuchih | not for low power issue? |
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| 08:00.34 | yuchih | i am trying to find out the discussion about the wifi chip selection... |
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| 08:04.16 | Wonka | it was both, afaik |
| 08:04.24 | Wonka | GPL driver and low power usage |
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| 08:05.59 | lindi- | dbmoodb: wifi works |
| 08:06.21 | lindi- | dbmoodb: iwconfig eth0 essid $essid |
| 08:06.30 | lindi- | dbmoodb: dhclient -d eth0 |
| 08:07.21 | yuchih | Wonka, i think you are right, thanks |
| 08:07.36 | yuchih | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware_Requirements#WiFi_802.11_b.2Fg_transceiver |
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| 08:09.54 | HauDyr | morning |
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| 08:19.07 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.45 | HauDyr | the wiki has really matured in the past 2 weeks (i've been on vacation) |
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| 08:57.31 | kd8ikt | jeez fricken netsplitz |
| 09:01.39 | HauDyr | anybody tried using a Bluetooth Headset with FR (i just got one) |
| 09:02.41 | Fossi | i bet somebody did |
| 09:04.43 | kd8ikt | gave you read through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth ? |
| 09:04.51 | kd8ikt | have* |
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| 09:11.53 | HauDyr | kd8ikt, aah i just saw on the page thx. |
| 09:12.28 | HauDyr | i read half of the content and it was the second to last :-) |
| 09:16.03 | kd8ikt | well atleast now you know everything <almost> there is to know about bluetooth |
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| 09:16.42 | kd8ikt | so it works for you then? |
| 09:17.09 | kd8ikt | i need to buy a cheap lil bluetooth headset |
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| 09:17.52 | kd8ikt | cause the mic jack sucks, i was hoping audio quality would improve using bluetooth |
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| 09:18.34 | ChandleWEi | how to incoming telephone call's sound? |
| 09:18.43 | ChandleWEi | how to change incoming telephone call's sound? |
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| 09:32.38 | kd8ikt | i'm gonna try throwing a gentoo stage on my sd card |
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| 09:35.37 | kd8ikt | bleh damn sd card problems |
| 09:39.00 | bumbl | kd8ikt: you might start with a stage 1 |
| 09:40.29 | kd8ikt | well since my card screwed i cant really do anything |
| 09:40.49 | kd8ikt | Input/output error |
| 09:41.02 | kd8ikt | and now i cant fdisk it until i reboot |
| 09:41.35 | kd8ikt | this cheap card sux |
| 09:41.55 | bumbl | where have you bought it? |
| 09:42.19 | kd8ikt | it was only 10$ so... |
| 09:42.31 | kd8ikt | A-data 2GB |
| 09:43.13 | Wonka | OM2008.8 sucks ass. cannot even find how to shut it down. |
| 09:43.18 | Arcnet | gentoo on openmoko? yeah, running "emerge -uD world" for a whole week :-P |
| 09:43.28 | Arcnet | Hold the powerbutton ;) |
| 09:43.31 | Wonka | btw, the icons are crap all the way... |
| 09:43.43 | Wonka | Arcnet: "shut it down", not "poweroff forcibly" |
| 09:44.13 | Wonka | i am pondering if i restore my backup or try FSO first. |
| 09:44.13 | Arcnet | hm,... I thought that would work |
| 09:44.42 | Arcnet | uses init 0 by ssh because he is to lazy to get up and walk over to the phone ;) |
| 09:47.39 | MrShleee | 2008.8 is a mistake - Hopefully they fix all the show stoppers and release a revision. |
| 09:48.44 | kd8ikt | actually its pretty good |
| 09:49.05 | kd8ikt | but i'm using fso right now |
| 09:49.18 | kd8ikt | not too different |
| 09:50.12 | bumbl | kd8ikt: i'm looking forward that you blog/write and submit (on the mailinglist) your expiciences with gentoo |
| 09:50.31 | kd8ikt | if i can get my damn card to work |
| 09:50.32 | MrShleee | The suspend hang is a show stopper tho |
| 09:50.43 | trix | anyone figured out a way to import vcards to 2008.8? |
| 09:51.07 | trix | the wiki instructions for asu/qtopia have never worked for me |
| 09:51.19 | bumbl | Arcnet: that's what crosscompilers are for |
| 09:51.37 | Wonka | oh, actually, not clicking power but holding it for some time starts a shutdown |
| 09:51.43 | Wonka | (clicking suspends) |
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| 09:52.46 | Wonka | the UI of 2007.2 was quite nice, actually |
| 09:53.03 | Wonka | if only it was more stable... |
| 09:53.56 | bumbl | Wonka: depends: i do like the asu ui more; the 2007.2 app launcher was horrible |
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| 09:54.36 | Wonka | well, select category, click app, app starts. |
| 09:54.47 | Wonka | click AUX, get back to launcher. |
| 09:54.58 | Wonka | click power, app terminates |
| 09:59.49 | kd8ikt | well i did find http://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/arm/embedded/stages/ |
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| 10:01.45 | Wonka | there are no 32GB microSD cards yet, afaik... |
| 10:02.01 | Wonka | so where would one stash the sources? |
| 10:02.51 | kd8ikt | nfs |
| 10:03.06 | kd8ikt | googlefs? |
| 10:03.44 | kd8ikt | and maybe a distcc host with cross compile capabilities? |
| 10:04.01 | kd8ikt | and make binary pkgz for the masses |
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| 10:04.27 | Wonka | for which use-flags? |
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| 10:06.55 | kd8ikt | infact the gentoo embedded people also use openembedded |
| 10:07.23 | kd8ikt | from what i gathered in #gentoo-embedded |
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| 10:12.25 | Rorschach | hi |
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| 10:25.01 | Dave | What's up, kd8? |
| 10:25.15 | Dave | Hey bumble :) |
| 10:25.21 | CVirus | Guten Morgen |
| 10:25.33 | Dave | goedmorgen :D |
| 10:25.50 | CVirus | omg Dave .. what are you doing outside the lab ? |
| 10:25.50 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.55 | Dave | :x |
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| 10:31.57 | cga | how do i get gsm, to work on 20080813??? any link on wiki? |
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| 10:34.42 | peter__b | cga: goog question. can receive calls but not make any ... |
| 10:35.03 | cga | peter__b, at least you can receive |
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| 10:38.44 | Arcnet | gsm does not work... damn, just flashed it Oo |
| 10:40.08 | cga | Arcnet, no!!! you mean that 200808xx doesn't have gsm yet? a person i know from another channel told me he have everything working with 20080808 and upgrading to latest with opkg upgrade |
| 10:40.58 | peter__b | i am here: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1766 |
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| 10:43.06 | Arcnet | cga: sorry, forgot the question mark... i meant "gsm does not work?.... damn, just flashed it Oo" |
| 10:43.11 | Arcnet | but I can place calls |
| 10:44.11 | cga | mmm i don't. the phone side of it is not working. so i have nothign but a nice interface |
| 10:44.34 | Arcnet | and receiving them works fine as well (on 20080813 with rabenfrost.net/celtune source and complete opkg update && opkg upgrade) |
| 10:44.39 | cga | beside i can't understand how to place icons for assassin and otehr things on the today |
| 10:44.52 | cga | i don't have celtune |
| 10:45.00 | cga | only default + scaredycat |
| 10:45.05 | cga | i might try that |
| 10:45.07 | Rorschach | cga: works with desktop files |
| 10:45.38 | Arcnet | you could do that - but it might work without celtune as well (I just didn't try it before updating) |
| 10:46.09 | cga | Rorschach, is there a config file? i'm kinda lost XD |
| 10:46.14 | Arcnet | But I have no wrench/illume settings on the top left corner :-( How can that be fixed |
| 10:46.43 | Rorschach | cga: *.desktop files are a defacto standard, kde, gnome, enlightment, all use it :) |
| 10:46.52 | Arcnet | you can place .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 10:46.57 | cga | any good terminal for asu? (apart from om-term2) |
| 10:47.35 | cga | Rorschach, yes i know but i don't know how to create one and don't know where to place it. |
| 10:47.51 | cga | Arcnet, thanks |
| 10:47.58 | Rorschach | cga: read: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/index.html and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ |
| 10:48.16 | cga | thanks |
| 10:48.42 | cga | the problem is that the .desktop are there but the corresponding app doesn't get showed |
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| 10:49.12 | Rorschach | modified the icon path correctly? |
| 10:49.25 | Rorschach | restarted X? |
| 10:49.52 | peter__b | cga: illumen doenst seem to show all categories |
| 10:50.18 | peter__b | try to change the category of your application to network |
| 10:50.30 | cga | Rorschach, i didn't modify/restart since i did nothing yet |
| 10:50.41 | cga | peter__b, ok |
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| 10:51.41 | cga | peter__b, Rorschach any good terminal for 200808xx? (apart from om-term2) |
| 10:52.54 | Rorschach | cga: I'm not aware of any other... but there's xterm in the repos, maybe you wanna try it, I never did |
| 10:53.04 | Rorschach | what's wrong with om-term2 for you? |
| 10:53.06 | dns53 | there is also xterm i think but term2 is good enough |
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| 10:53.26 | cga | Rorschach, nothing wrong i just want to try |
| 10:53.41 | Tig| | I wish the FR had USB high speed, if only to speed up flashing images :) |
| 10:53.47 | cga | i'm curios about vte, any suggestions? |
| 10:54.24 | cga | btw i can get phone calls. just tried to call myself from home |
| 10:55.12 | cga | going to grannies for lunch , catch you later and thanks for help |
| 10:57.09 | piksi | does any kind of "roadmap to end user useability for openmoko" - document or similar exist? |
| 10:57.29 | piksi | or i it just down to following the mailing list ? |
| 10:59.13 | kd8ikt | i love this phone |
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| 11:00.14 | kd8ikt | of course it has its, OMFG i hate it! quirks but things hopefully can only get better |
| 11:00.37 | Dave | cag! |
| 11:01.00 | peter__b | cga: you could try vte but i like om-term2 better because of the zoom |
| 11:01.22 | Dave | hah, zoom? |
| 11:01.30 | Dave | I never really knew it had that, since I never used it :P |
| 11:02.08 | peter__b | zomm = change fontsize |
| 11:02.23 | kd8ikt | like right now i just installed 2008 to sdcard.. and the usb link isnt working |
| 11:02.30 | peter__b | you cyn mak it really small ... |
| 11:02.40 | kd8ikt | and i dont have a fricken terminal on the phone to help diagnose it |
| 11:03.16 | peter__b | usb should work |
| 11:03.20 | Arcnet | there are modules missing |
| 11:03.30 | Arcnet | use another uImage like... |
| 11:03.40 | Arcnet | http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ |
| 11:04.32 | Arcnet | Works fine for me (I didn't even flash the other uImage back) |
| 11:04.39 | Dave | hrm |
| 11:05.00 | Arcnet | Hey, maybe that's why GSM works for me and not for cga :-D |
| 11:05.15 | Dave | kd8, what's wrong with openmoko-terminal2? :P~ |
| 11:10.11 | Dave | woo, 4.15V |
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| 11:13.14 | kd8ikt | whats wrong withit? its not installed thats whats wrong |
| 11:14.21 | kd8ikt | i guess i could reboot and chroot and install the temrinal |
| 11:16.56 | SpeedEvil | Dave: woo indeed! Go for 4.8V! |
| 11:17.19 | SpeedEvil | Dave: 3D effects without using the glamo. (though it only does flames) |
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| 11:26.49 | kd8ikt | volts? what are you doing upping the voltage? |
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| 11:27.29 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: he was having problems charging his lazuh. |
| 11:27.36 | SpeedEvil | s/lazuh/Freerunner battery/ |
| 11:28.34 | phrozen77 | SpeedEvil, my screenprotector arrived - thanks :) |
| 11:28.39 | spdr_ | anyone know if its possible to get libpcap on the moko? :p |
| 11:28.44 | SpeedEvil | phrozen77: sorry for the delays :( |
| 11:28.50 | phrozen77 | no problem |
| 11:28.54 | Dave | Speedevil, aww, still cool. |
| 11:28.58 | phrozen77 | just got the mail that said the FR is shipped |
| 11:28.59 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 11:29.21 | Dave | It's doing 4.2V now :) |
| 11:29.28 | Dave | Speedevil, but I need 7.2, right? ;) |
| 11:30.06 | SpeedEvil | phrozen77: I have replaced the printer that caused most of the delay (due to not apparantly scanning properly, and getting lost in the system, and am contemplating going Office Space on it, or simply dissasembling for parts. |
| 11:30.23 | phrozen77 | yay - office space! |
| 11:30.30 | phrozen77 | blow it up already :D |
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| 11:31.36 | Dave | hmm |
| 11:31.40 | Dave | What are you talking about? |
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| 11:32.02 | phrozen77 | jfgi |
| 11:32.04 | Dave | Hmm, no zorkman |
| 11:32.14 | Dave | I'm still unsure of why my sound stopped working on a freerunner. |
| 11:32.16 | seaLne | is the sdcard hardware fix still better than software for fixing gps problems? |
| 11:32.26 | Dave | My guess is it's pulseaudio related, but *shrug* |
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| 11:36.11 | Dave | :\ |
| 11:38.50 | kd8ikt | lol SpeedEvil i saw billions of mailing list posts about OMG speedevil is scamming me! my screen condom didnt arrive |
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| 11:39.27 | kd8ikt | cant believe people spam the mailing list with that crap |
| 11:40.28 | Dave | :O |
| 11:40.32 | Dave | hahaha, wow. |
| 11:42.28 | Dave | Dude, where's my condom? |
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| 11:44.43 | Dave | leinirs! |
| 11:45.00 | Dave | I see you there, doing naughty things with your phone! |
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| 11:46.02 | leinir | *giggles* i was just trying to fix it! ...well, or let someone else fix it anyway ;) |
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| 11:46.18 | Dave | :D |
| 11:46.28 | Dave | hva gjör du? |
| 11:47.09 | leinir | Right now i'm at Akademy, sitting in the Amarok Den :) |
| 11:47.18 | Dave | ah :P |
| 11:47.32 | Dave | I thought they had a lair >:) |
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| 11:47.53 | Dave | an evil lair, at that |
| 11:47.59 | Dave | edistar \o/ |
| 11:48.25 | leinir | *giggles* Nah :) |
| 11:48.33 | Dave | :D |
| 11:48.35 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: I should probably read the mailing list. |
| 11:48.36 | leinir | We've got a den (the wolf thing ;) ) |
| 11:48.41 | Dave | yes yes -_- |
| 11:48.45 | Dave | stupid howling wolf |
| 11:48.51 | kd8ikt | eh its mindless garbage anyway |
| 11:48.51 | leinir | The Plasma devs are the ones that need to be kept in check, which is why they have a containment ;) |
| 11:48.53 | Dave | doesn't he get bored? |
| 11:49.02 | Dave | :o |
| 11:49.09 | Dave | developer containment? |
| 11:49.14 | kd8ikt | i need to finish cleaning my room |
| 11:49.23 | Dave | do you lock them in a basement, like the koreans do? :D |
| 11:49.24 | leinir | *giggles* The Plasma Developers' Containment :) |
| 11:49.25 | Mek | at least the plasma devs don't make as much noise as those wolves next door.... |
| 11:49.37 | Dave | kd8ikt: OH, I SEE, the eight in your nick stands for the AGE... |
| 11:49.40 | Dave | Mek :D |
| 11:49.57 | Dave | hoi o/ |
| 11:50.24 | Mek | Dave: hmm... do I know who you are? :) |
| 11:50.36 | Dave | misschien... |
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| 11:51.22 | Mek | damn... I hate not knowing if I know someone :P |
| 11:52.34 | SpeedEvil | puts on Darth Vader mask. |
| 11:52.35 | Dave | >:) |
| 11:52.40 | Dave | SITH! |
| 11:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Mek..... I am .... |
| 11:52.54 | Mek | lol |
| 11:54.17 | Dave | mijn vader? :D |
| 11:54.48 | Dave | gek :P |
| 11:54.53 | Dave | hei bumble :) |
| 11:55.17 | Dave | How was your essen? :) |
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| 11:55.40 | Dave | köstlich? |
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| 11:58.49 | Dave | furcht :x |
| 11:58.55 | bumbl | Dave: yes |
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| 11:59.00 | bumbl | it was delicious |
| 11:59.04 | bumbl | Schnitzel |
| 11:59.30 | spdr_ | anyone here using the toolchain? |
| 11:59.47 | Dave | :p |
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| 12:00.45 | kd8ikt | dude i need a rhoomba |
| 12:01.15 | zash | kd8ikt: the cleanerrobot? |
| 12:01.19 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 12:01.20 | lindi- | spdr_: i found qemubuilder much easier :) |
| 12:01.57 | zash | kd8ikt: if you have windows you could try compressed air |
| 12:02.10 | Dave | zash! |
| 12:02.11 | bumbl | leinir: do you know if anything is planned to implement http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153136 (i know it's not amarok related but you are at akademy) |
| 12:02.21 | zash | Dave!?! |
| 12:02.26 | Dave | Hei :P |
| 12:03.31 | zash | Hey |
| 12:04.15 | Dave | har du en kjæreste? |
| 12:05.03 | zash | har jag whatnow? |
| 12:05.23 | zash | jaha, ja |
| 12:05.44 | Dave | :P |
| 12:05.46 | zash | lœl |
| 12:05.57 | bumbl | æ |
| 12:06.29 | zash | åäæöœ |
| 12:06.35 | Dave | huhu |
| 12:07.04 | Dave | jævla hæstkuk! |
| 12:07.23 | Dave | :D |
| 12:07.28 | zash | relevant |
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| 12:09.05 | leinir | Dave: i don't know of anybody working on it - but i'm sure you'd be welcome to do so :) |
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| 12:10.24 | bumbl | leinir: ok thank you - I would do it immediatly if i would know how to |
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| 12:11.32 | leinir | bumbl: svn checkout kdebase-apps, that's where Konqueror lives :) |
| 12:12.44 | bumbl | leinir: I know - but I don't have enough knowledge to do it my self |
| 12:13.11 | leinir | Well, no better way to get that knowledge than by starting to poke about in the code ;) |
| 12:22.36 | kd8ikt | dang isit fri already |
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| 12:25.26 | Dave | YES IT IS! |
| 12:25.28 | Dave | HUZZAH! |
| 12:25.47 | leinir | That means that it's almost caturday! ;) |
| 12:25.49 | cga | friday i'm in love (cit) |
| 12:26.03 | Dave | haha |
| 12:26.04 | Dave | hurrr |
| 12:26.20 | Dave | reinstalls qtopia on leinir |
| 12:26.27 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 12:26.43 | cga | reflashes his neo with qtopia since 20080813 doesn't work much as a phone yet |
| 12:26.59 | Dave | :P |
| 12:27.05 | Dave | yeah well, it's asu, what do you expect |
| 12:27.37 | kd8ikt | cga go for FSO |
| 12:27.56 | cga | kd8ikt, i'm willing to give it a go. i might do this now. |
| 12:28.09 | kd8ikt | milestone 2 is what i be using |
| 12:28.18 | cga | how does the fso go with basic phone thigns like calls and sms? |
| 12:28.34 | kd8ikt | er i think sms is fail |
| 12:28.58 | cga | darn i need at least calls and sms. i can wait for the rest but not for those |
| 12:29.05 | kd8ikt | dude groovesalad forthewin |
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| 12:29.12 | Dave | haha |
| 12:29.21 | Dave | you and your groovay veg in the morning :p |
| 12:29.32 | kd8ikt | their playing some song i heard on tv with the caveman |
| 12:29.40 | kd8ikt | commercial gieko or somethin |
| 12:29.41 | cga | opens his can of vegemite |
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| 12:30.06 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist http://somafm.com/groovesalad24.pls |
| 12:30.31 | kd8ikt | what comercial is that from |
| 12:30.55 | kd8ikt | gotta love the "soma" part |
| 12:31.11 | kd8ikt | only a pill head would know that though |
| 12:31.23 | cga | kd8ikt, you mean somasuite? |
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| 12:32.19 | Dave | ewwwww |
| 12:32.22 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r9321ba219d52 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.117 |
| 12:32.29 | Dave | barfs on cga |
| 12:32.39 | cga | laughs at Dave |
| 12:33.00 | Dave | pumps kd8ikt full of tranquilizers |
| 12:33.12 | cga | Dave, |
| 12:33.19 | cga | did you try the script? |
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| 12:36.46 | Dave | cga, your script? |
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| 12:37.58 | cga | Dave, yes |
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| 12:45.58 | cga | kd8ikt, FSO needs to be compiled on pc first? |
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| 12:48.34 | Dave | cga, no, I'm too scared :P |
| 12:48.42 | cga | meh |
| 12:48.50 | Dave | :D |
| 12:48.57 | cga | remember PEBCAK XD |
| 12:48.57 | Dave | nah, I'll run it later and improve it if you'd like |
| 12:49.15 | cga | yes! cooperate with me when you do |
| 12:49.15 | Dave | Problem Exists Between Cga And Keyboard |
| 12:49.17 | Dave | :P |
| 12:49.21 | cga | exactely =) |
| 12:49.27 | cga | *-e |
| 12:49.36 | Rorschach | does anyone know who's the coder of assassin? I wanna submit a patch for it |
| 12:49.45 | cga | nope sorry |
| 12:49.51 | kd8ikt | cga: check downloads.openmoko |
| 12:49.57 | cga | kd8ikt, thanks |
| 12:50.43 | cga | kd8ikt, mmm can't find it |
| 12:51.11 | Dave | :D |
| 12:51.34 | kd8ikt | framework |
| 12:51.35 | kd8ikt | dir |
| 12:51.44 | cga | thanks |
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| 12:52.30 | kd8ikt | now let me get back to spakling my wall cause once upon a time i enjoyed throwing shurikens and shooting it with an airsoft gun (dry wall) |
| 12:52.59 | Dave | haha |
| 12:53.04 | Dave | fool! |
| 12:53.15 | Dave | I used a turned over wooden monitor stand :D |
| 12:53.24 | Dave | of course the occasional one would miss :P |
| 12:58.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rc127c77594e4 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes |
| 12:58.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * read91ccfb479 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko] Change default community repository |
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| 12:58.46 | youfeelverytired | I painted my walls black |
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| 13:00.23 | Flinx | HI.. |
| 13:00.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r1b8632d887bf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit |
| 13:00.35 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * rb6effb889a64 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio |
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| 13:00.47 | Flinx | I'm about to go pick up my FR from the post office... before I break it, is there anything I should do first? |
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| 13:01.58 | zash | Flinx: pray to whatever deity you pray to |
| 13:02.16 | SUNWjoejaxx | haha |
| 13:02.16 | kd8ikt | upgrade the kernel when you get it |
| 13:02.29 | kd8ikt | install a few apps and play around |
| 13:02.41 | spdr_ | Flinx, charge it :0 |
| 13:02.48 | Flinx | Ahh yes... |
| 13:02.54 | Flinx | Charging... |
| 13:02.55 | kd8ikt | the getting started page on the wiki is a great "start" |
| 13:02.59 | Flinx | thats going to kill me :P |
| 13:03.18 | Flinx | kd8ikt: I know - I've been reading it for the past month ;) |
| 13:03.31 | spdr_ | i guess u could always charge it via usb :) |
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| 13:03.40 | Flinx | I could. |
| 13:03.56 | Flinx | spdr_: did you ever get yours unbricked? |
| 13:05.01 | cga | Flinx, be careful in opkg upgrade since i had to flash it after that 2 days ago.... it borked the usb port due to a bug |
| 13:05.31 | seaLne | leinir: i take it you didn't get the cap soldered on? |
| 13:05.35 | kd8ikt | sure you werent using incompatable package sources? |
| 13:05.49 | cga | with borked i mean that it wasn't working anymore to charge or connect to in openmoko. fortunately at NOR and NAND works |
| 13:06.15 | cga | wow it's raining ice from a dark sky here |
| 13:06.35 | Flinx | cga: is there a fix for that? |
| 13:06.51 | leinir | seaLne: Nope :) |
| 13:07.05 | cga | Flinx, i don't know. i had to flash it since i couldn't ssh to it anymore |
| 13:07.12 | spdr_ | should be fixed..the usb host bug |
| 13:07.43 | spdr_ | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. |
| 13:07.43 | spdr_ | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. |
| 13:07.43 | spdr_ | hmmm, should i just edit the autogen.sh ? |
| 13:07.50 | cga | i would gladdly get back to 2007.2 , anyone knows where to download the default image? |
| 13:08.21 | cga | asu is nice so is fso but they don't work as phone |
| 13:08.22 | Flinx | ah |
| 13:08.36 | cga | i need to try qtopia yet. |
| 13:08.36 | Flinx | kinda defeats the point doesn't it? ;) |
| 13:08.45 | cga | indeed |
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| 13:09.06 | Flinx | almost like those spoof commercials "my phone does everything and make toast, but it doesn't make calls.." |
| 13:09.08 | kd8ikt | spdr_: |
| 13:09.10 | spdr_ | cga, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ ? |
| 13:09.18 | Flinx | I don't know where I saw that >.< |
| 13:09.21 | kd8ikt | use om-conf |
| 13:09.32 | spdr_ | i did..i think |
| 13:09.41 | spdr_ | oh |
| 13:09.45 | cga | sparq, is that 2007.2 ? |
| 13:09.54 | Flinx | alright... time to try not to maul the postal worker *chuckles* |
| 13:10.00 | cga | ohps.. spdr_ * |
| 13:10.08 | spdr_ | yeah i think it is |
| 13:10.13 | cga | k thanks |
| 13:10.14 | spdr_ | hmm sec |
| 13:10.20 | cga | oh? |
| 13:10.30 | kd8ikt | --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi |
| 13:10.42 | kd8ikt | or just ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi |
| 13:10.51 | Flinx | tries not to trip over himself as he rushes to pick up the package. |
| 13:10.59 | spdr_ | ill give it a try kd8ikt, thanks |
| 13:10.59 | kd8ikt | <if you are using the toolchain> |
| 13:11.03 | spdr_ | yeah |
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| 13:11.30 | Rorschach | what are the differences between those images: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/ |
| 13:11.32 | kd8ikt | does that work? |
| 13:14.26 | spdr_ | i think it did, thanks :) |
| 13:14.36 | kd8ikt | kewl |
| 13:15.08 | spdr_ | should'nt it produce binaries ? |
| 13:15.13 | spdr_ | better read the wiki again :0 |
| 13:15.21 | kd8ikt | send ieatlint some paypall money for me |
| 13:15.43 | kd8ikt | cause he's been so cool about making useless apps i dream up |
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| 13:16.01 | kd8ikt | spdr_: "make" produces the bins |
| 13:16.02 | Wonka | aaaargh. i should really restore my backup of my om2007.2 |
| 13:16.13 | Wonka | 2008.8 is unusable. |
| 13:16.23 | Wonka | FSO is unusable, as there's no software for it... |
| 13:16.28 | kd8ikt | they should be somewhere in the folder you "./configured" |
| 13:16.32 | spdr_ | kd8ikt, yeah but where ? :S |
| 13:16.41 | spdr_ | hmm |
| 13:16.56 | kd8ikt | or run om-make-pkg to build an ipkg |
| 13:17.01 | kd8ikt | of the dir |
| 13:17.15 | spdr_ | just did :) lets see if it does the job.. |
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| 13:18.32 | kd8ikt | Wonka: ... here is my FSO repos's http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html |
| 13:19.29 | kd8ikt | have at it pluss i have a couple lil apps i cant live without http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/ namely lint-wifi/and agpsui |
| 13:19.40 | Wonka | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/ - there _is_ all the stuff |
| 13:19.41 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r261b5b52805c 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: |
| 13:19.43 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: mdbus: call introspect using the actual interface. this improves things on recent dbus versions, but |
| 13:19.46 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: still introspect receives an empty result (for whatever reason) |
| 13:19.47 | Wonka | why is it not there for 2008.8? |
| 13:19.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra9cd293abe3b 10/html/index.html: use BASE url |
| 13:19.52 | kd8ikt | and checkout ieatlint's http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/ |
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| 13:20.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd3ffe2cc4675 10/ (15 files in 2 dirs): html: add header |
| 13:20.13 | kd8ikt | not compatible with FSO |
| 13:20.16 | kd8ikt | i think |
| 13:20.27 | kd8ikt | it will break your FSO if you "upgrade" |
| 13:20.39 | Wonka | argh, ok, it is there |
| 13:21.13 | kd8ikt | ? it? |
| 13:21.37 | Wonka | kd8ikt: the stuff similar to http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/ |
| 13:21.48 | Wonka | kd8ikt: but is there any place like that for FSO? |
| 13:22.36 | kd8ikt | here is my FSO repos's http://rafb.net/p/fkVAUG14.html |
| 13:22.47 | kd8ikt | those should be more then compatible with FSO |
| 13:23.05 | kd8ikt | and enough to keep you buissy till next major milestone |
| 13:23.23 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:23.25 | kd8ikt | crap my chair broke |
| 13:23.28 | mickeyl | don't want to run into an argument, but... |
| 13:23.39 | mickeyl | if you say FSO is unusable you completely miss the point of it |
| 13:24.16 | kd8ikt | its an overhaul underthe hood |
| 13:24.34 | kd8ikt | freesmartphone dbus API |
| 13:24.39 | Tig| | kd8ikt: ta for those :) I am just about to reflash back to FSO and those sources will make it a lot easier to get things back up to speed :) |
| 13:24.45 | Wonka | mickeyl: i am not talking about "usable as a phone" |
| 13:25.11 | Wonka | mickeyl: but if there's no way (apart from a terminal) to fire up GPS, what's the point of releasing it? |
| 13:25.15 | kd8ikt | i use FSO as main and 2008 as sd_card boot |
| 13:25.21 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:25.24 | mickeyl | gps works fine here |
| 13:25.34 | kd8ikt | you can still use gpsd |
| 13:25.41 | mickeyl | but the point of releasing it is pretty clear... it's for people to develop apps |
| 13:25.53 | kd8ikt | that take advantage of the dbus |
| 13:26.14 | kd8ikt | instead of using say.. /dev/ttySAC! |
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| 13:26.38 | Wonka | yes... but how to even power on the GPS device? |
| 13:26.41 | Tig| | Wonka: gps works well on the FSO in fact it is the best performing image for GPS on the Freerunner in my experience |
| 13:26.54 | kd8ikt | not too different wonka thats why i still use agpsui |
| 13:27.02 | Tig| | Wonka: it gets done via DBUS I think, the app asks for the GPS and gets it |
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| 13:27.29 | Wonka | kd8ikt: and where do I find agpsui for FSO? |
| 13:27.33 | mickeyl | the whole idea of the resource management is that you NOT tinker manually |
| 13:27.41 | mickeyl | because apps will do it automagically |
| 13:27.46 | Wonka | my point. |
| 13:27.54 | Tig| | in zhone it just powers up and works when it is needed as far as I can see, the same with tangogps it is lovely :) |
| 13:27.56 | zedstar_ | does FSO use gpsd still? |
| 13:27.57 | kd8ikt | Wonka: i have it on my host |
| 13:28.10 | kd8ikt | or you could build it yourself vi projects.openmoko |
| 13:28.26 | Wonka | kd8ikt: nothing against you, but i'd rather download it from where the rest also comes from |
| 13:28.31 | kd8ikt | http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/buildz/ |
| 13:28.47 | kd8ikt | well to my knowledge that is the only ipk of it |
| 13:28.47 | Wonka | mickeyl: i did click that "GPS & Map" icon, got tangogps. and it told me "no GPS". |
| 13:28.51 | zedstar_ | or specifically will an app built with libgps work on FSO? |
| 13:28.57 | spdr_ | kd8ikt, one last thing i also encountered with OE, know why i get "No package 'libebook-1.2' found" ? |
| 13:29.05 | spdr_ | does fine it with 'locate' |
| 13:29.09 | spdr_ | find* |
| 13:29.15 | kd8ikt | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/openmoko-agpsui/ |
| 13:29.17 | Wonka | "no GPS found" |
| 13:29.44 | zedstar_ | i guess can still install gpsd |
| 13:29.45 | kd8ikt | cause gpsd isnt running nor installedf |
| 13:29.47 | mickeyl | zedstar_: we have an own gps daemon. there was nothing available that talks U-Bloxc |
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| 13:30.10 | Wonka | when I install an image providing tangogps, I expect it to have everything I need to power up the gps device, initialize it, and so on. not so unreasonable, nor? |
| 13:30.28 | zedstar_ | mickeyl couldnt u just added to gpsd the new protocol? |
| 13:30.52 | Wonka | iff there's no gpsd, then the provided tangogps should be a variant that talks to whatever there is. |
| 13:31.00 | Wonka | otherwise it's just useless. |
| 13:31.05 | kd8ikt | u mean to interface with the FSO dbus? |
| 13:31.28 | kd8ikt | feel free to start hacking it it shouldnt be too tough |
| 13:31.31 | Wonka | if that's the way to get GPS data, yes |
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| 13:31.51 | kd8ikt | now i will go back to cleaning my room bbl |
| 13:32.05 | Wonka | er... i think we're talking around each other. |
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| 13:32.24 | Wonka | why is tangogps even in this image, if there's no way it would work? |
| 13:32.40 | mickeyl | zedstar_: we could probably have, but deadlines forces to first get results done and then think about upstream. besides, gypsy seems to be the future |
| 13:32.53 | Wonka | it's "tangogps-fso", 0.9.2-r0 |
| 13:33.26 | Wonka | so I even more expect there to be a way to get GPS data from this image alone |
| 13:33.46 | zedstar_ | mickeyl i had a go at gypsy on a desktop machine yesterday and gave up as i could get coordinates from libgps in about 3 lines of code |
| 13:34.20 | mickeyl | zedstar_: sure. use what pleases you. the libgps dbus interface is incredibly liimited though |
| 13:34.47 | mickeyl | and we are kind of commited to use dbus as the services layer API |
| 13:35.09 | Wonka | ok. so i powered up the device manually. |
| 13:35.41 | zedstar_ | mickeyl ok u the best person to answer this....why would i need to use a dbus interface from a C client app if there is a library api and it is more straight forward than dbus from C |
| 13:36.08 | mickeyl | zedstar_: people on #openmoko-cdevel are working on a fso library |
| 13:36.20 | mickeyl | using dbus from C is painful, i know |
| 13:36.24 | Wonka | and i can see NMEA on /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 13:36.25 | mickeyl | but that's a problem of C, not a problem of dbus |
| 13:36.38 | zedstar_ | even with the glib bindings it is much more work than the traditional library api's |
| 13:36.40 | mickeyl | i won't compromise on API just because of incapable bindings or languages |
| 13:36.49 | mickeyl | i recommend Vala or Python |
| 13:36.54 | mickeyl | or Qt |
| 13:37.00 | zedstar_ | sure but i can see the real benefits of doing a dbus daemon |
| 13:37.24 | Wonka | and when I start tangogps, I get: |
| 13:37.25 | Wonka | ** (tangogps:1870): WARNING **: Cannot get position: The name org.freedesktop.Gypsy was not provided by any .service files |
| 13:37.26 | zedstar_ | just from a client C app i dont |
| 13:37.28 | Wonka | ** (tangogps:1870): WARNING **: Cannot get accuracy: The name org.freedesktop.Gypsy was not provided by any .service files |
| 13:38.11 | mickeyl | well, what use is a dbus daemon if there are no clients calling it? :) |
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| 13:38.37 | Wonka | mickeyl: there is the default installed tangogps-fso, which tried to call it. |
| 13:38.40 | zedstar_ | well the benefit of the dbus daemon is allowing any language to use it |
| 13:38.53 | Wonka | # opkg list | grep gypsy |
| 13:38.53 | mickeyl | Wonka: please ask alphaone, he's the gps expert |
| 13:38.53 | Wonka | libgypsy0 - 0.0+svnr134-1 - |
| 13:39.02 | mickeyl | he also did tangogps-fso |
| 13:39.22 | mickeyl | zedstar_: exactly. but that means your clients need to speak dbus then |
| 13:39.26 | mickeyl | (no matter the language) |
| 13:39.30 | Wonka | alphaone: you awake? |
| 13:39.45 | mickeyl | C as the language for UI apps is disputable anyways... |
| 13:39.51 | zedstar_ | mickeyl sure but a lot of projects still provide library api also like libnotify for example |
| 13:39.53 | mickeyl | and i agree w/ you about using dbus from C |
| 13:40.05 | mickeyl | that's right. #openmoko-cdevel guys are doing that |
| 13:40.11 | mickeyl | i will not do that. i have a small team |
| 13:40.21 | mickeyl | and we're busy enough with doing the server side |
| 13:40.35 | mickeyl | and if you use nice languages, it's simple |
| 13:40.41 | mickeyl | and you don't need a wrapper library |
| 13:40.43 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 13:40.45 | zedstar_ | ok sure i was just curious...i wrote a dbus daemon also so im in same boat |
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| 13:40.51 | McKael | Hello |
| 13:41.05 | mickeyl | coffee refill |
| 13:41.07 | McKael | How can I access the root partition when booting from the SD card? |
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| 13:42.59 | mickeyl | i may be radical about that but... |
| 13:43.02 | mickeyl | see the world is turning |
| 13:43.09 | mickeyl | systems are getting incredibly more complex |
| 13:43.16 | mickeyl | what was good enough for us 20 years ago is _NOT_ good enough for us now |
| 13:43.21 | mickeyl | as we have to deal with increased complexity |
| 13:43.27 | mickeyl | if you don't catch up with your tools, you lose |
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| 13:43.37 | mickeyl | and I'm refering to programming languages as part of those tools |
| 13:44.10 | zedstar_ | i doing everything via dbus also now but my approach on client is if there is a library api i use that instead of dbus |
| 13:44.29 | mickeyl | sure. go with a library, in C you need one or you go crazy |
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| 13:47.26 | Wonka | errrrr. should frameworkd not run if i did not stop it? |
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| 13:49.14 | mickeyl | ya, it should |
| 13:49.37 | Openfree | hi, i'm trying to compile linux-openmoko-devel kernel |
| 13:49.41 | Wonka | t didn't. |
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| 13:50.18 | Openfree | it continue use "124120ae0694d03347ab3ac3430cc0255f628ac7" git tree, while this doesn't exist |
| 13:50.53 | Openfree | i don't know why it always use this version |
| 13:51.51 | mickeyl | you're using the OM tree? |
| 13:52.12 | Openfree | mickeyl, yes, and i'm try to build andy's branch |
| 13:52.21 | mickeyl | hmm, no idea 'bout that one. I'm afraid for people who are doing serious development, I'd rather recommend org.oe.dev |
| 13:52.29 | mickeyl | you can change the version it uses by editing sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 13:53.19 | Openfree | mickeyl, thx, got that |
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| 13:54.14 | spdr_ | "checking for EBOOK... configure: error: Package requirements (libebook-1.2) were not met" -- any quick fix ? |
| 13:54.24 | lothar | Hi, all ! My FR is arrived. Very nice. |
| 13:54.41 | Openfree | mickeyl, i'm try spi-dma driver, seems it's not include in git tree |
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| 13:57.47 | Tig| | oops just made E crap itself and die |
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| 14:00.32 | lothar | Yust a question: I have installed the mediaplayer that is mentioned in the getting started description. What playlists can I configure to ise streaming internet radio ? |
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| 14:02.39 | malik1972 | lothar: are you sure that you can do streaming radio with that player? |
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| 14:04.13 | lothar | I have at least setup my wireless network. So it is at least possible to use it a my home as a media player. And simply just to know it working :-) |
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| 14:08.02 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r4596 10/developers/werner/bin/ (comm4 kern4 lab4 makek uboot4): |
| 14:08.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Some minor updates of my "productivity" scripts. |
| 14:08.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - makek: helper script to build the kernel |
| 14:08.10 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - comm4: use "new" script to fetch new mails |
| 14:08.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - comm4: run IRC locally |
| 14:08.16 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - lab4, kern4, uboot4: updated for new directory structure |
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| 14:10.04 | Tig| | hi, does anyone know if there is the equiv package of build-essentials for the freerunner? |
| 14:10.59 | zash | opkg install do-you-realy-want-to-compile-stuff-on-400mhz-arm? |
| 14:11.20 | zash | bah, iduno |
| 14:11.23 | zash | ;D |
| 14:11.27 | Tig| | zash: heh, well it is only a little app and I can't be arsed to cross compile |
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| 14:12.50 | zash | should be compilers and stuff, duno about metapackages |
| 14:13.02 | kd8ikt | well what if you were on a desert island with your phone and needed to compile a simple app to save your life? |
| 14:13.12 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 14:13.40 | zash | would probably just write a shell script |
| 14:13.43 | kd8ikt | also you could use a fat SDcard to install ... damn near everything in the repo's |
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| 14:14.19 | kd8ikt | with corisponding env changes ... no prob |
| 14:14.47 | Tig| | kd8ikt: have you had any joy running lint-wifi on the fso ? |
| 14:14.58 | kd8ikt | then again by the time you finished writing your save-your-deserted-ass.c the battery would be dead |
| 14:15.08 | kd8ikt | oh yeah lint wifi runs great for me |
| 14:15.13 | kd8ikt | onm fso |
| 14:15.26 | Tig| | did you use the standard package? |
| 14:15.34 | kd8ikt | my pkg you mean? |
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| 14:15.59 | Tig| | the one from the projects.om |
| 14:15.59 | kd8ikt | tahts the one i use |
| 14:16.11 | Tig| | right will give it another shot then :) thanks :) |
| 14:17.07 | kd8ikt | but i compiled it myself and made a pkgz from it... bear in mind it needs python-gtk + a working /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpas_supplicant.conf |
| 14:17.54 | rwhitby | fixes TangoGPS on fso on gta01 ... |
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| 14:18.33 | kd8ikt | his lil front end to wpa_suplicant is great (wpa_lint) makes scripting wpa_supplicant fun/easy |
| 14:18.41 | Tig| | kd8ikt: ah, is there any reason why the package from one of the other feeds would not work? |
| 14:18.50 | kd8ikt | its in a feed? |
| 14:19.11 | Tig| | hang on, I got it from somewhere.... |
| 14:19.20 | kd8ikt | my guess would be the lack of one of the two aformentioned things |
| 14:19.33 | Tig| | I had it running last time but not working, I will keep digging |
| 14:19.35 | kd8ikt | pygtk or wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:19.54 | kd8ikt | other then that it should be fine |
| 14:20.00 | Tig| | had pygtk in so probably needed to do the wpa_supplicant |
| 14:20.23 | kd8ikt | yeah i fixed that in my pkg i added a default conf for wpa |
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| 14:20.55 | Tig| | biab |
| 14:21.06 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 14:21.22 | kd8ikt | wifi on the edge of forever |
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| 14:22.14 | kd8ikt | -startrek reference |
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| 14:25.54 | kd8ikt | oh Tig| be sure to run it via cmdline to get the debug output |
| 14:26.15 | kd8ikt | then later you can edit the lint-wifi.py to DEBUG=FALSE |
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| 14:26.49 | break-free | i can't find gpsd-conf built for gta02 |
| 14:26.57 | break-free | anyone know where I could find it? |
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| 14:29.08 | peter__b | break-free: just change the device in /etc/default/gpsd to /dev/SAC1 |
| 14:29.36 | break-free | peter__b: thanks |
| 14:29.46 | peter__b | np |
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| 14:32.42 | break-free | peter__b: should I restart after I change the device? |
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| 14:36.14 | Dave | rwhitby :) |
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| 14:37.44 | Dave | \o/ |
| 14:38.17 | ZorkmanLab | how's it hanging |
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| 14:43.06 | Dave | Zorkman :P |
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| 14:43.52 | phrozen77 | anyone knows a few interesting rss feeds? |
| 14:45.46 | Sup3rkiddo | phrozen77, the planet? |
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| 14:46.51 | phrozen77 | Sup3rkiddo, got an url? |
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| 14:47.06 | Sup3rkiddo | phrozen77, planet.openmoko.org |
| 14:48.29 | confidential1 | how can I make the daily build not suspend while connected to usb? |
| 14:48.36 | confidential1 | like automatically... |
| 14:48.48 | ZorkmanLab | setttings --> suspend --> off |
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| 14:49.23 | Dave | Zorkman -> Settings -> MEER |
| 14:49.36 | Zorkman | :) |
| 14:50.06 | Zorkman | anything new today dave? |
| 14:50.41 | confidential1 | Zorkman: That makes it not suspend when I unplug the usb as well, doesn't it? |
| 14:52.05 | cga | \0/ 2007.2 flashed and upgraded and usb is working again |
| 14:53.02 | Zorkman | indeed confidential1 |
| 14:53.09 | break-free | so I installed GPSD and changed /etc/default/gpsd to have /dev/SAC1 in it, but tangoGPS still says "no GPS" |
| 14:53.21 | XorA | ttySAC1 |
| 14:53.37 | break-free | oh, so /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 14:53.59 | break-free | thanks |
| 14:54.24 | XorA | need to power on the gps as well of course |
| 14:56.25 | break-free | XorA: do i have to do that CLI style or just in the settings |
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| 15:00.13 | confidential1 | how do I get the qtopia image viewer in the daily builds? |
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| 15:05.06 | confidential1 | or how do I fix the bugs where some gtk apps don't refresh properly...? |
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| 15:08.05 | confidential1 | wait, why are there no more daily builds after the 13. ? |
| 15:08.28 | rwhitby | confidential1: the daily builds weren't asu |
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| 15:11.04 | confidential1 | I know that, but are there updates for 2008.8 yet then? |
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| 15:12.50 | Zorkman | confidential1: yes, there was a mail about it |
| 15:13.45 | Zorkman | confidential1: http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/ contains the dev feeds and http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing the testing ones |
| 15:18.44 | Dave | \o/ |
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| 15:28.12 | Dave | Zorkman, nah, not much of anything new |
| 15:28.20 | Dave | still trying to get my python apps going |
| 15:28.24 | Dave | other than that, blah |
| 15:28.36 | Dave | oh and my freerunner audio stopped working :( |
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| 15:31.02 | Dave | kd8, still no luck with wifi switching? :| |
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| 15:36.18 | cga | anyone with a link to wiki or a solution for eco when calling? |
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| 15:47.17 | linuxxr | so how would an application that sends location to an email |
| 15:47.32 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.40 | Wonka | okay... converted ubxgen.pl to .py |
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| 15:56.22 | lothar | Hi again. Anbody here has experience with navit on FreeRunner ? |
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| 16:07.57 | Zorkman | LOTHAR/ I HAVE |
| 16:08.02 | Zorkman | sorry for shouting :) |
| 16:08.32 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.57 | kd8ikt | dude i've been cleaning my room for like 10hrs+ and still not finished |
| 16:08.59 | Zorkman | i agree kd8ikt |
| 16:09.14 | Dave | Kd8 must live in a garage |
| 16:09.19 | kd8ikt | basement |
| 16:09.24 | Zorkman | golden tip kd8ikt: gasoline and a match |
| 16:09.45 | kd8ikt | maybe i'll throw up a vid feed later so you can see the result |
| 16:09.56 | Zorkman | please do |
| 16:10.28 | linuxxr | i wanna see what it looked like before so i can tell your mom |
| 16:10.46 | linuxxr | that u are slow |
| 16:10.56 | linuxxr | :) |
| 16:11.07 | Dave | :D |
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| 16:13.22 | kd8ikt | turns on his nintendo sound files (*.NSF) 1st contra.NSF track4 (snowfield) then goes back to work |
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| 16:13.48 | kd8ikt | ocremix is cool too |
| 16:15.13 | lothar | Zorkman: I have installed navit on my new FreRunner and also installed the required speech packages and the speech dispatcher. But when I use my map, created with navit on my Linux Box, navit crashes on my FR. On My Mac (Debian Etch) it will work. Any ideas ? |
| 16:15.20 | Dave | so's your mom :P |
| 16:15.24 | Dave | wait, no, not really |
| 16:15.29 | Dave | you said she was a total bitch :| |
| 16:15.46 | Zorkman | lothar: none |
| 16:15.47 | Zorkman | sorry :) |
| 16:15.50 | Dave | kd8, if oc had a stream it would be worthwhile |
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| 16:16.15 | Deubeuliou | hi |
| 16:16.22 | Deubeuliou | I just got my freerunner \o/ |
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| 16:16.39 | lothar | Anybody else ? |
| 16:16.42 | Zorkman | congratz Deubeuliou |
| 16:16.47 | Deubeuliou | and I'm going to put Om 2008.8 on the SD card |
| 16:16.57 | Deubeuliou | I read "WARNING: Booting from SDHC may cause problems at this time. " on the wiki page |
| 16:17.10 | Deubeuliou | is it a concern for the freerunner or just Neo1873 ? |
| 16:17.41 | Deubeuliou | thanks Zorkman. I'm happy :) |
| 16:18.12 | Zorkman | Deubeuliou: it is sharmless for both, only problem is that sometimes your sd card can get corrypted |
| 16:18.15 | Zorkman | *corrupted |
| 16:18.32 | Zorkman | but it only happened once for me (with the 2008.8 :P) |
| 16:18.55 | Zorkman | make sure you flash u-boot to the latest version, and use fat for kernel and ext2 for rootfs |
| 16:19.21 | Zorkman | gonna go eat |
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| 16:21.02 | Deubeuliou | ok ZorkEatZork, thanks :) |
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| 16:28.05 | henkie | hmm, how can i enter numbers when it asks for my sim-pin? (om2008.8 only shows a qwerty keyboard) |
| 16:28.21 | aggtrfrad | !topic |
| 16:28.34 | aggtrfrad | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
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| 16:33.05 | Deubeuliou | What is best to choose if I want to have a (quite) usable working phone but still easy to hack ? Om 2008.8 or Qtopia ? |
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| 16:37.50 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 16:37.54 | DaveLab | ZorkmanLab |
| 16:38.56 | linuxxr | 2008.8 |
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| 16:39.57 | DaveLab | linuxxr-2008.8 |
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| 16:40.37 | DaveLab | ronny, you around? :) |
| 16:41.49 | DaveLab | oh man, hald and om-today exploded again. |
| 16:41.56 | DaveLab | vonderful. |
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| 16:43.44 | break-free | anyone know if I can download a specific area's maps into tangoGPS? I can't get it to connect to the internet but I want to put maps on there for a camping trip |
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| 16:46.41 | ronny | DaveLab: yeah |
| 16:46.50 | DaveLab | Hooray |
| 16:47.00 | DaveLab | Just wondering if I could pick your brain for a few minutes :) |
| 16:47.22 | DaveLab | I was trying to figure out the best way to send a file over socket, just open and dump to stream? |
| 16:48.19 | DaveLab | pickling, maybe? |
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| 16:48.40 | ronny | depends |
| 16:48.43 | ronny | how large? |
| 16:49.30 | break-free | anyone know what type of files tangoGPS reads for the maps? PNG? |
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| 16:51.35 | mjr | well at least that it certainly seems... |
| 16:52.14 | mjr | as osm maps are in png |
| 16:52.18 | Rorschach | break-free: eet |
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| 16:55.02 | break-free | Rorshach, eet? The openstreetmaps doens't even export in eet |
| 16:55.25 | break-free | is there a way I can get maps onto the phoen without being connected to the internet? |
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| 16:56.17 | cga | Deubeuliou, if you want an usable phone keep 2007.2 and upgrade it (beware of the usb bug, read getting started) and you can multiboot with microSD to try other OSes |
| 16:56.29 | mjr | you can copy the tiles whereever you've configured tango to look for them, in the OSM (/Google maps, I believe) naming scheme |
| 16:57.05 | break-free | mjr, do they have to be in the specific eet format? |
| 16:57.46 | Deubeuliou | cga, that's what I am doing right now: putting 2008.8 on the SD card |
| 16:57.52 | Deubeuliou | thanks |
| 16:57.59 | cga | cool && np |
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| 16:58.18 | mjr | eet? |
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| 16:59.09 | DaveLab | ronny, uhh, an image file... so could be relatively large |
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| 16:59.17 | break-free | Roschach said something about eet |
| 16:59.17 | DaveLab | but generally only going to be a few kilobytes |
| 16:59.44 | break-free | mjr, so can I export from openstreetmaps.org in PNG? |
| 16:59.47 | mjr | I don't know why he said that |
| 16:59.50 | mjr | yeah |
| 16:59.59 | break-free | ok, and where can I find the naming scheme |
| 17:00.10 | ronny | DaveLab: then pickle aint very good for that |
| 17:00.24 | DaveLab | :| |
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| 17:00.35 | ronny | DaveLab: what exactly is the intend of the app you write |
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| 17:00.38 | DaveLab | cpickles more for simple datastorage? |
| 17:00.44 | mjr | break-free, same pathname scheme as OSM uses for the image urls' ends, I think it's documented in the osm wiki |
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| 17:00.53 | Tig| | break-free: a simple alternative would be to install openstreetmap on a machine connected to the internet and download the maps you want then copy the images back over to the freerunner :) |
| 17:00.54 | ronny | it might make sense just to use paramiko + scp |
| 17:00.55 | DaveLab | ronny, the client app just sends data + image(s) to server |
| 17:01.02 | DaveLab | o.O |
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| 17:01.11 | mjr | zoom/x/y.png or y/x.png or something |
| 17:01.11 | ronny | DaveLab: what kind of data to what kind server ? |
| 17:01.16 | DaveLab | heh |
| 17:01.19 | break-free | Tig| good idea |
| 17:01.29 | Tig| | break-free: I meant install tangogps obv. :) |
| 17:01.30 | DaveLab | data from the phone, i.e. power/gps/status |
| 17:01.48 | DaveLab | the server is going to be another WONDERFUL python app I write, which will integrate with a sql backend |
| 17:01.54 | DaveLab | where it will be stored (hopefully) |
| 17:01.59 | DaveLab | waves to Joerg |
| 17:02.09 | spydon | OpenMoko should have some fast boot mode so that you just can charge the phone in... |
| 17:02.13 | ronny | power/gps/status sounds like something for dbus over lan |
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| 17:02.29 | DaveLab | eh? |
| 17:02.43 | DaveLab | I have zero familiarity, unfortunately, with the specific apis for the phone :[ |
| 17:02.43 | lothar | Zorkman: I have it - at least with the orginal germany map from the navit download page. The difference may be the size of the file. |
| 17:02.50 | DaveLab | at least the python ones :D |
| 17:03.14 | spydon | s/so that you just/that you |
| 17:03.18 | DaveLab | ronny, keep in mind it's not going to be that much data, as this will be transmitted wirelessly. |
| 17:03.19 | ronny | DaveLab: dbus is the general message bus used in gtk/hal/other things for phones and linux computers |
| 17:03.30 | ronny | DaveLab: wlan or bluetooth? |
| 17:03.36 | DaveLab | wireless |
| 17:03.45 | DaveLab | yeah, wifi |
| 17:03.52 | DaveLab | :) |
| 17:04.37 | ronny | im confused about the indent of the app |
| 17:04.52 | DaveLab | intent? |
| 17:05.05 | ronny | eh indent |
| 17:05.12 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 17:05.12 | ronny | ie what its supposed to do |
| 17:05.16 | DaveLab | right, intent |
| 17:05.30 | DaveLab | ronny, mind if I pm? |
| 17:05.37 | ronny | go ahead |
| 17:05.42 | DaveLab | thanks :) |
| 17:06.42 | malik1972 | how can i start the pin dialog in 2008.8 manually? i had the feeling that it worked well for a while, but know ... |
| 17:07.58 | malik1972 | okay, restarting the xserver should do the job |
| 17:08.31 | DaveLab | :) |
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| 17:09.52 | Rorschach | malik1972: restarting qpe is enough |
| 17:10.04 | break-free | Tig| i hit "download maps", does it save those maps in the cache directory? |
| 17:10.33 | Tig| | break-free: yes, you should be able to see where in the config panel in tangogps |
| 17:10.46 | Tig| | then just copy those files over in theory :) |
| 17:11.28 | malik1972 | rorschach: do you also have gsm registering problems? |
| 17:12.02 | Rorschach | malik1972: yes sometimes but sometimes it just works |
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| 17:12.08 | sylar91 | hi all |
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| 17:16.14 | break-free | is there a way I can see by SSH how much memory is available on my card? |
| 17:16.37 | DaveLab | sd card? |
| 17:16.48 | pwerken | break-free: if its mounted 'df -h' |
| 17:17.03 | DaveLab | yeah, df -h /media/card |
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| 17:18.42 | DaveLab | Zilla! |
| 17:18.49 | Zilla | Yes? |
| 17:18.57 | DaveLab | Hoi :] |
| 17:19.02 | Zilla | Hallo |
| 17:19.05 | Zilla | ook NL:P |
| 17:19.46 | DaveLab | ja spreek Nederlands, maar ik ben overloper :p |
| 17:19.55 | Zilla | hoezoo? |
| 17:19.59 | Zilla | je hebt een iphone gehaald? |
| 17:20.06 | DaveLab | nee :| |
| 17:20.32 | Zilla | of je bent een migrant? |
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| 17:21.15 | DaveLab | ja :p |
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| 17:25.00 | unknown_lamer | woo working debian on freerunner |
| 17:25.03 | unknown_lamer | screw openembedded |
| 17:25.13 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:25.18 | DaveLab | high-fives unknown_lamer |
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| 17:25.33 | Zilla | DaveLab, you have a FR right? |
| 17:25.35 | unknown_lamer | now I can just file a bug report on the ffcall package to get it running on ARM and then -- clisp with an ffi WITHOUT ANY EFFORT |
| 17:25.47 | unknown_lamer | god I've been wanting to kill bitbake for months trying to package this and still cross compile |
| 17:25.48 | DaveLab | Zilla, yes :D |
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| 17:26.08 | unknown_lamer | and woo common-lisp-controller and all of the niceties of a real distro |
| 17:26.08 | Zilla | and use it as your primary phone? |
| 17:26.12 | DaveLab | nonono :P |
| 17:26.21 | Zilla | just for fun:)\ |
| 17:26.24 | DaveLab | ja :] |
| 17:26.46 | DaveLab | it is fun, soms :P |
| 17:27.04 | Zilla | jah... maar 320 euri... voor een is wel eens leuk product.... |
| 17:27.07 | Zilla | damn... |
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| 17:27.08 | zedstar | unknown_lamer u still trying to get clisp running!!!! |
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| 17:29.09 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: it runs fine but ... packaging issues |
| 17:29.14 | DaveLab | zilla, ja :x |
| 17:29.21 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: clisp is more or less not cross compilable without a lot of manual handholding |
| 17:29.31 | Zilla | vind dat gewoon te duur... |
| 17:29.35 | Zilla | srry for the dutch |
| 17:29.38 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: and bitbake is a pita and I have other things to do (like ... making money) |
| 17:30.13 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: so it's one of those stab at it for a couple of hours every weekend and decide that I need some whiskey lest I find whoever wrote bitbake and stab him in the face |
| 17:30.44 | zedstar | unknown_lamer i recommend the alcohol approach |
| 17:30.49 | DaveLab | zilla, het spijt me! |
| 17:31.01 | lindi- | unknown_lamer: please report all the bugs you hit with debian |
| 17:31.03 | DaveLab | ben dwaaaaaaaaaaaaaas :D |
| 17:31.04 | Zilla | wha |
| 17:31.05 | Zilla | lol |
| 17:31.13 | unknown_lamer | lindi-: naturally |
| 17:31.13 | DaveLab | ^_^ |
| 17:31.31 | unknown_lamer | now just to get a freerunner ... I want me a GSM900 but don't want to pay whatever it costs to get it from canada |
| 17:31.50 | unknown_lamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.30 | unknown_lamer | I'll be the perfect bug finder/fixer ... my current phone is more or less dead so as soon as I get my freerunner ... primary phone time without any backup |
| 17:32.38 | unknown_lamer | it seems that will make my life more exciting |
| 17:33.20 | DaveLab | Freerunner \o/ |
| 17:34.02 | zedstar | i shud probably get a freerunner at some point |
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| 17:34.18 | DaveLab | Zilla, er zijn hier veel Nederlanders :D |
| 17:34.22 | Zilla | does someone knows an keyboard shortcut in xchat for changing channels? |
| 17:34.22 | Zilla | like ctrl-tab in Firefox for changing tab |
| 17:34.34 | Zilla | owjah |
| 17:34.43 | DaveLab | Zilla, Ctrl + PgUp/Dn ? |
| 17:34.49 | unknown_lamer | Zilla: C-PGUP/PGDN are bound that by default |
| 17:34.51 | Zilla | en dat terwijl openmoko een amerikaans initiatief is |
| 17:34.57 | Zilla | tnx |
| 17:34.58 | DaveLab | jjeje |
| 17:35.02 | Zilla | i didnt knew that |
| 17:35.04 | DaveLab | :P |
| 17:35.15 | Zilla | ctrl pgup/down works |
| 17:35.16 | Zilla | :D |
| 17:35.21 | DaveLab | erg snugger :P |
| 17:35.33 | Zilla | zou je denken |
| 17:35.37 | DaveLab | :D |
| 17:35.58 | peter__b | anyone tried boa on his neo ? |
| 17:36.18 | Zilla | would tried it if he had one :| |
| 17:36.36 | DaveLab | jaja |
| 17:36.38 | kd8ikt | there is always qemu |
| 17:36.42 | DaveLab | ben een mazzelpik :D |
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| 17:36.46 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 17:37.01 | DaveLab | kd8ikt - no :P |
| 17:37.02 | Zilla | davelab.... did you get one for free or zo? |
| 17:37.12 | DaveLab | free :P |
| 17:37.18 | Zilla | btw what is boa? |
| 17:37.26 | Zilla | how did you get one for free? |
| 17:37.52 | DaveLab | een slang! |
| 17:37.57 | DaveLab | boa :P~ |
| 17:37.58 | DaveLab | *hiss* |
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| 17:38.32 | peter__b | boa is a webserver |
| 17:38.36 | DaveLab | oh |
| 17:38.38 | Zilla | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-April/004820.html this |
| 17:38.38 | DaveLab | :x |
| 17:38.41 | Zilla | google ftw :) |
| 17:38.42 | DaveLab | or a big snake! |
| 17:38.52 | DaveLab | like python :P |
| 17:39.06 | zedstar | is seriously bored now waiting for this bitbake build to complete and might start drinking instead |
| 17:39.19 | CM | zedstar: Cheers to that ;) |
| 17:39.30 | zedstar | cheers :) |
| 17:39.34 | peter__b | may take a while :-) |
| 17:39.56 | Tig| | zedstar: http://beeroverip.org/ |
| 17:40.11 | zedstar | lol tig |
| 17:40.33 | zedstar | is there a beer donation service online? |
| 17:40.35 | Zilla | thats a good one :) |
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| 17:40.39 | zedstar | good business idea that |
| 17:40.42 | Tig| | mmmm beer.... actually I might have to..... |
| 17:40.48 | Tig| | dashes off |
| 17:41.19 | peter__b | why the hell did they use ayinger ? |
| 17:41.26 | peter__b | ayinger beer sucks |
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| 17:41.54 | Zilla | he defenately doesnt live in NL |
| 17:42.10 | Tig| | peter__b: no idea, I suspect it was the first CC photo that he found with a slogan on it :) |
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| 17:42.19 | RayDar | I thought I read something about a wrong resistor that contributes to the abysmal battery life of the GTA01. |
| 17:42.42 | Tig| | Zilla: it was done by Bruno off #lugradio (and teh internets) and he is basically French :) |
| 17:42.56 | Zilla | now i get it |
| 17:42.58 | Zilla | :) |
| 17:43.03 | DaveLab | wie? |
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| 17:43.20 | peter__b | ayinger beer is bavarian |
| 17:43.23 | DaveLab | zedstar, hahaha, a beer donation service online? |
| 17:43.24 | DaveLab | :P |
| 17:43.31 | Zilla | but if hes french then he might prefer a good glass of whine |
| 17:43.33 | Zilla | ;) |
| 17:43.37 | zedstar | yeh dont steal my business idea dave :) |
| 17:43.38 | DaveLab | bah |
| 17:43.43 | DaveLab | zedstar :P |
| 17:44.05 | Zilla | bear donation allready exist |
| 17:44.10 | zedstar | dam |
| 17:44.18 | DaveLab | stupid frans |
| 17:44.25 | DaveLab | ze frans iz stoopiiid |
| 17:44.27 | DaveLab | :p |
| 17:44.34 | Zilla | french isnt my favourite language;) |
| 17:44.49 | kd8ikt | a bear donation? |
| 17:45.04 | Tig| | I help run a beer festival and we were looking at beer donations over the internet one year but never got around to implementing it :( |
| 17:45.07 | kd8ikt | the right to grizzly bear arms |
| 17:45.13 | zedstar | yeh imagine a bear turning up instead |
| 17:45.45 | DaveLab | mijn haat... stijgingen |
| 17:45.48 | DaveLab | >:o |
| 17:46.02 | DaveLab | noooooooooooooo... leinir! |
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| 17:46.30 | DaveLab | por leinir |
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| 17:47.54 | leinir_ | the network here at the hostel is... shall we just say a little dodgy ;) |
| 17:47.59 | DaveLab | o_o |
| 17:48.02 | DaveLab | hostel? |
| 17:48.04 | Infoport | hello all! |
| 17:48.09 | DaveLab | oh, so THAT'S where you work... |
| 17:48.11 | zedstar | hostel? wait til the steal your laptop then ;) |
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| 17:48.35 | DaveLab | I knew you worked in that type of business leinir... ¬_¬ |
| 17:48.40 | henkie | hmm, my phone doesnt ask for a pin-code anymore |
| 17:48.47 | henkie | is this a config setting? |
| 17:48.49 | Infoport | anybody having luck with triple-boot on FR? |
| 17:49.01 | DaveLab | Infoport, is anyone even daring to attempt it, other than you? |
| 17:49.03 | kd8ikt | did at one time but i dont anylonger |
| 17:49.22 | *** join/#openmoko nkinkade (n=nkinkade@adsl-69-109-161-75.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 17:49.36 | kd8ikt | whats wrong Infoport ? having trouble adding a uboot menu item? |
| 17:50.00 | drac2000 | Hi evryone |
| 17:50.07 | Infoport | Dave: I would like to not duplicate data to test the 3rd system, and so I am trying to put it on the same card |
| 17:50.17 | *** join/#openmoko Stroller (n=Stroller@213.152.39.89) |
| 17:50.18 | drac2000 | Finaly i joined the freedom network with my freerunner got today |
| 17:50.28 | DaveLab | infoport, too bad you don't have more :P |
| 17:50.42 | Infoport | kd8ikt: I added a uBoot item, but it doesnt seem to want to look at the specified uImage3,bin |
| 17:51.06 | kd8ikt | used only one kernel for both partitions |
| 17:51.26 | Infoport | Dave: we'll I actually have another 2G card right here, but giving up and using another card was last resort |
| 17:51.55 | DaveLab | Infoport :| |
| 17:51.56 | malik1972 | where i can change the choice of application icons in 2008.8? |
| 17:52.05 | DaveLab | You don't like them? :( |
| 17:52.15 | drac2000 | Did anyone got navit working on 2007.2 ?? |
| 17:53.02 | malik1972 | davelab: no, one icon is missing for agpsui |
| 17:53.16 | DaveLab | yeah there is none |
| 17:53.24 | DaveLab | [that I know of] |
| 17:53.29 | kd8ikt | my 2GB SD card Fails if i try anything on the space over 1GB |
| 17:53.48 | *** join/#openmoko leinir__ (n=leinir@conference/akademy/x-410bd91dff5d7499) |
| 17:53.48 | DaveLab | /o\ |
| 17:53.53 | DaveLab | LEINIR |
| 17:53.55 | kd8ikt | maybe cause its just regular SD not SDHC |
| 17:54.06 | DaveLab | Perhaps it requires additional coolness |
| 17:54.33 | Zilla | are here people who are running linux instead of windows.... |
| 17:54.40 | kd8ikt | it needs something personalised |
| 17:54.43 | cjb | Zilla: almost everyone here is. |
| 17:54.54 | DaveLab | Hey cjb :) |
| 17:54.55 | *** join/#openmoko nomeata (i=nobody@nomeata.de) |
| 17:54.57 | Infoport | kd8ikt: since I have to specify the kernel, would the entry have something like /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage3.bin or would I call it /boot/uImage3.bin (like it would be once mounted?) |
| 17:54.58 | kd8ikt | windows is forbidden |
| 17:55.41 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card#Add_uboot_boot_entry |
| 17:55.58 | ronny | hmm, i knew exaclty one person trying to moko on win32, now hes on linux, too |
| 17:56.02 | DaveLab | uImage3? o.O |
| 17:56.15 | DaveLab | Zorkmann |
| 17:56.30 | Zorkman | is operating against the law with his windows :p |
| 17:56.33 | DaveLab | Zilla, you running windows? |
| 17:56.37 | DaveLab | ZOrkman, YES |
| 17:56.37 | Zilla | yes |
| 17:56.43 | DaveLab | We were just talking about you >:) |
| 17:56.47 | DaveLab | Zilla, meet ZOrkman :D |
| 17:56.47 | drac2000 | I am getting those message installing navit with opkg : |
| 17:56.49 | drac2000 | Multiple packages (navit-dev and navit-dev) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 17:56.53 | Zorkman | Dave: give me solidworks for linux and i'll reboot :p |
| 17:56.56 | Zilla | wha |
| 17:56.56 | Infoport | I have a box in the closet with Win95...it is handy when cable-internet says they "dont support Linux" --then I threaten to bring it out and set it by the phone to reassure them |
| 17:57.01 | DaveLab | meer NEderlands! \o/ |
| 17:57.08 | DaveLab | Zorkman :P |
| 17:57.10 | drac2000 | Installing navit-dev (0.0.4-r0) to root... |
| 17:57.10 | drac2000 | Collected errors: |
| 17:57.10 | drac2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.11 | DaveLab | nee :p |
| 17:57.25 | *** join/#openmoko lzy-- (n=lzy@59-126-117-54.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 17:57.34 | Zorkman | ah, zilla is a dutchmen |
| 17:57.39 | DaveLab | rut roh |
| 17:57.39 | kd8ikt | know why nobody "supports" linux |
| 17:57.48 | DaveLab | ja ja :D |
| 17:57.54 | kd8ikt | because they dont know how anything really works to begin with |
| 17:58.03 | DaveLab | kd8, well, aren't we bold. |
| 17:58.14 | kd8ikt | its fucking true |
| 17:58.14 | Infoport | kd8ikt I have that page up, and added and entry, but it still seems to want to look wrong place |
| 17:58.21 | DaveLab | You're always right! |
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| 17:58.32 | DaveLab | Infoport :x |
| 17:58.37 | DaveLab | Did you reboot? |
| 17:58.41 | DaveLab | did you fix your boot? |
| 17:58.43 | gargoyle_grin | Well, it's official. I've gone back to the last pre-2008.08 image. 2008.08 just needs more work before I'll try it again. |
| 17:58.59 | DaveLab | Yay |
| 17:59.07 | DaveLab | Another one sees the light. |
| 17:59.12 | Infoport | here's my entry setenv menu_3 Boot from microSD part3 (ext2): setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts} ro\; mmcinit\; ext2load mmc 1 0x32000000 /dev/mmcblk0p3/boot/uImage3.bin\; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 17:59.22 | Zilla | HI zorkman |
| 17:59.23 | gargoyle_grin | Basic calling functionality didn't work for me, so I ended up carrying a crappy alternate phone with me. |
| 17:59.24 | kd8ikt | no Infoport |
| 17:59.34 | kd8ikt | just uIboot.bin |
| 18:00.08 | kd8ikt | unless you have it in $PARTITIONROOT/boot/uImage.bin |
| 18:00.16 | Zorkman | llo Zilla, welcome to the FR community, although i think i have seen your nick before |
| 18:00.23 | kd8ikt | in wich case it would be /boot/Uimage |
| 18:00.29 | gargoyle_grin | 2008.08 wouldn't even opkg update successfully. |
| 18:00.32 | Zilla | you sure did |
| 18:00.34 | *** part/#openmoko pvborza (n=paul@groundhog.ijs.si) |
| 18:00.44 | Zorkman | gargoyle_grin: you need to set the feeds in 2008.8 to opkg |
| 18:00.46 | Zilla | 2-3 weeks ago i think |
| 18:01.17 | Zorkman | you have a freerunner now? |
| 18:01.18 | Infoport | kd8ikt yes, that was the attempt-- OM2007 on phone, 2008.8 on mmcblk0p1 and 0p2 (rootfs) and then qtopia on 0p3 (both kernel and rootfs) |
| 18:01.56 | gargoyle_grin | My issues were network issues. The wifi connection would die after a couple of minutes, leaving me with a half-downloaded packages file. |
| 18:02.03 | kd8ikt | one kernel to rule them all |
| 18:02.04 | gargoyle_grin | And, yes. I have a gta02. |
| 18:02.14 | Infoport | kd8ikt or will I have to put all of my kernels on the first partition (I updated uBoot, and thought that was supported) |
| 18:02.30 | Tig| | kd8ikt: is SMS working for you on FSO milestone2? |
| 18:02.37 | kd8ikt | dont think so |
| 18:02.45 | cjb | it's working here but not with notifications |
| 18:02.48 | kd8ikt | then again i hardly use my phone and nobody calls me |
| 18:02.49 | cjb | they're unimplemented |
| 18:02.50 | mmontour | Infoport: if you want to load the kernel from partition 3 then you need to do "ext2load mmc 1:3 0x32000000 /boot/uImage.bin" |
| 18:02.52 | cjb | or were a couple of days ago |
| 18:02.58 | DaveLab | Hello Montour |
| 18:03.03 | Tig| | hmm |
| 18:03.12 | gargoyle_grin | I |
| 18:03.14 | DaveLab | See, I remembered Zilla :D |
| 18:03.29 | Zilla | i dont remember you :( |
| 18:03.38 | Infoport | mmontour hi! thanks, I will go try that! (I did read the How It Works...it just didnt enlighten me enough) |
| 18:03.42 | gargoyle_grin | I'll try 2008.08.* from time to time and see how usable it is. |
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| 18:05.11 | break-free | does tangoGPS download maps to the cache directory when you hit "download"? |
| 18:05.38 | Zorkman | jup, but you can change the directory |
| 18:05.48 | Zorkman | (when it is in /tmp you will lose the date when rebooting) |
| 18:06.08 | Zorkman | is there an ETA on qtopia 4.4? |
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| 18:06.34 | break-free | Zorkman, I hit download +5 levels (approx. 100mb) but my /tmp/OSM directory is only 30mb |
| 18:06.43 | ssweeny | i don't suppose anyone is aware of a way to sync qtopia with evolution |
| 18:06.46 | DaveLab | Zorkman :p |
| 18:06.52 | DaveLab | Don't harass lpotter about it. |
| 18:07.14 | Zorkman | break-free: try zooming out or in and then selecting download, i think it always says the same amount |
| 18:07.22 | break-free | ssweeny, are you trying to import contacts? |
| 18:07.25 | Zorkman | i won't dave :) |
| 18:07.26 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 18:07.28 | DaveLab | :] |
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| 18:07.58 | ssweeny | break-free, no that works fine one-way |
| 18:08.09 | ssweeny | i'm looking to sync appointments, to-do, etc |
| 18:08.14 | Zorkman | not many new projects are being registered... :( |
| 18:08.18 | DaveLab | Yes |
| 18:08.23 | DaveLab | Are you disappointed Zorky? |
| 18:08.23 | Zorkman | i'm wondering how that guy with speech recognition is doing |
| 18:08.28 | Zorkman | yes I am |
| 18:08.30 | DaveLab | I don't |
| 18:08.31 | ssweeny | multisync looked promising but it doesn't seem to like this version of qtopia |
| 18:08.32 | kd8ikt | want to register a new one for me |
| 18:08.37 | DaveLab | His project sounded questionable |
| 18:08.46 | DaveLab | then again, so is all freerunner software at this point :D |
| 18:08.50 | Zorkman | :) |
| 18:08.55 | break-free | ssweeny, yeah I never could get appointments |
| 18:08.57 | DaveLab | zorkman, any lines on new games? :) |
| 18:09.08 | Zorkman | unfortunatly not :( |
| 18:09.23 | kd8ikt | register a new project for mp3 streaming (mplayer front end) |
| 18:09.31 | ssweeny | considers hacking on conduit to make it work |
| 18:09.33 | Zorkman | i'm still trying to figure out who said he could play supertux with TS |
| 18:09.34 | kd8ikt | icecast/shoutcast |
| 18:10.05 | Zorkman | it doesn't work here :( |
| 18:10.09 | kd8ikt | well icecast because its gpl |
| 18:10.20 | kd8ikt | but it would be trivial to add shoutcast |
| 18:10.30 | Zorkman | DaveLab: did find a way to play new games :) |
| 18:10.44 | Zorkman | DaveLab: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/games/arcade/ |
| 18:10.52 | DaveLab | hmm?? :) |
| 18:10.55 | DaveLab | haha hpcalc.org |
| 18:11.02 | DaveLab | sounds like a total ripoff of ticalc.org :D |
| 18:11.17 | *** join/#openmoko Pyrasi (n=Pyrasi@254-135-155.csiweb.net) |
| 18:11.23 | Zorkman | we have a working hp48 on our FR so we could play these games :p |
| 18:11.45 | Pyrasi | Has anyone else noticed that after suspend bluetooth doesnt seem to come back? |
| 18:11.47 | DaveLab | oh, we do? |
| 18:11.48 | Zilla | gaming on a calculator.... how low can you go :| |
| 18:11.54 | DaveLab | plus, have you tried gpe-snes yet? |
| 18:11.55 | Pyrasi | *on newer ASU builds |
| 18:12.01 | DaveLab | when I saw snes9x in the repo, I laughed |
| 18:12.05 | DaveLab | boy did that take me back |
| 18:12.14 | Zorkman | DaveLab: https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokox48/ |
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| 18:12.24 | DaveLab | though last night I was trying to think, what good snes games were there that were playable without a controller |
| 18:12.24 | kd8ikt | my xbox has snes9x |
| 18:12.31 | Zorkman | no, i havent, does it work? |
| 18:12.33 | DaveLab | like that would work well with a touchscreen, just point and click |
| 18:12.36 | break-free | Zorkman, wtf. I zoomed in and out and hit download +5 levels approx 100mb again and my OSM folder is now 2 mb bigger |
| 18:12.38 | DaveLab | YES |
| 18:12.40 | Tig| | DaveLab: I suspect the fragmentation of the platform is hindering programmers at the moment as the OS is still in a state of flux, it is all very well saying code for DBUS and the FSO but then you will not have much of a userbase to help test with and contribute :( Similarly i suspect people are reluctant to code for the ASU as it looks like long term all the phone stack on there will be ripped out so there is little point talking to the current qtopia |
| 18:12.40 | Tig| | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.45 | DaveLab | O_O |
| 18:12.59 | DaveLab | yeah |
| 18:13.03 | DaveLab | it's all weird and all over the place |
| 18:13.05 | DaveLab | and scary |
| 18:13.10 | DaveLab | it reminds me of old people! :D |
| 18:13.15 | lpotter | wonders how choice of toolkits could hinder development |
| 18:13.23 | confidential1 | how do I add http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t/ to opkg? |
| 18:13.40 | toggles_w | Tig|: rock on |
| 18:13.58 | zedstar | lpotter confusion for newcomers? |
| 18:14.07 | DaveLab | here's a good question, how do you know what version of om you have on the phone? |
| 18:14.10 | Tig| | also all the really cool stuff will be from making all the parts of the phone talk to each other, sadly there is not yet a decision on how to store data :( |
| 18:14.22 | DaveLab | 2007.2/2008.8 is there an easily detectable method? |
| 18:14.33 | lpotter | if you are confused about toolkits you probably not a developer |
| 18:14.35 | Zorkman | confidential1: create /etc/opkg/zecke.conf and then put |
| 18:14.40 | Zorkman | src/gz zecke-all http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/all |
| 18:14.41 | Zorkman | src/gz zecke-arm http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/armv4t |
| 18:14.41 | Zorkman | src/gz zecke-i686 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/i686 |
| 18:14.41 | Zorkman | src/gz zecke-neo http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/neo1973 |
| 18:14.41 | Zorkman | src/gz zecke-gta02 http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-dev/om-gta02 |
| 18:14.55 | Tig| | Davelab /etc/version ? |
| 18:15.04 | confidential1 | Zorkman: thanks:) |
| 18:15.19 | DaveLab | hah |
| 18:15.24 | DaveLab | Tig, yeah... maybe :) |
| 18:15.37 | Zorkman | DaveLab: are you plaging snes games on the FR? |
| 18:15.43 | Tig| | well that will give what looks to be the rootfs image date |
| 18:15.44 | DaveLab | Tig, but isn't that just the date of the flashinstall? |
| 18:15.47 | DaveLab | right |
| 18:15.52 | DaveLab | which isn't helpful |
| 18:16.08 | DaveLab | well, it could have been upgraded or something :x |
| 18:16.13 | DaveLab | plus that doesn't match what I want |
| 18:16.23 | DaveLab | Zork, aren't you?> :D |
| 18:16.30 | roh | ree |
| 18:16.42 | Zorkman | nope, didn't know it worked |
| 18:16.43 | DaveLab | rut roh |
| 18:16.43 | Tig| | well in that case you need to version each component you need. but you could do that with the packaging |
| 18:16.46 | DaveLab | Zorkman :D |
| 18:16.51 | DaveLab | uggh |
| 18:16.54 | DaveLab | Tig - terrible |
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| 18:17.12 | Pyrasi | anyone else have that problem? After a suspend it seems bluetooth on the new ASU builds wont come back.... hciconfig returns no devices.... |
| 18:17.18 | Tig| | DaveLab: what info do you need to find out about the running machine? |
| 18:17.21 | DaveLab | Well, maybe if these fuckers decide on a more formal versioning semantic, we can devise an appropriate method for this. |
| 18:17.33 | DaveLab | :D |
| 18:17.38 | Tig| | :) |
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| 18:18.59 | DaveLab | Plus if they eventually decided on a damned branch of openmoko :P |
| 18:19.03 | DaveLab | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 18:19.07 | roh | kicks his fso build |
| 18:19.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7cd2d872a711 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:19.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) add checks to see if read() blocks |
| 18:19.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) refactor accel plugin a bit. TODO: values returned by Value() seem to be out of order |
| 18:19.17 | DaveLab | a portent! |
| 18:19.22 | DaveLab | roh, hehe :) |
| 18:19.41 | roh | formal versioning semantic? eeeh.. hello? wrong planet? this is fscking linux foo? |
| 18:19.51 | Tig| | anyone know how the SHR people are getting on? |
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| 18:20.12 | roh | or to be more clear: it cannot get better than any distro, since versions come from upstream |
| 18:20.17 | DaveLab | :P |
| 18:20.17 | Zorkman | more important: are they getting *it* on |
| 18:20.24 | DaveLab | yeah yeah |
| 18:20.31 | DaveLab | Zorkman oy -_- |
| 18:20.32 | *** part/#openmoko neldoreth (n=ascot@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 18:20.57 | DaveLab | Damn, I need a python operator reference. |
| 18:21.19 | Tig| | I am glad Debian has decided to release a port so we can have a proper example of clusterfsck committee design :P |
| 18:21.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re66621d593f0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums |
| 18:21.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb3078dd25590 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build 0.117 of 0.115 of libgpewidget to fix segfault at crash |
| 18:21.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r890103731cdf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums |
| 18:21.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r6084429e4573 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums |
| 18:21.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb30e9a868ee2 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums |
| 18:21.59 | DaveLab | Tig, hooray! |
| 18:22.00 | DaveLab | :) |
| 18:22.17 | Tig| | is quite depressed now :( |
| 18:22.38 | roh | Tig| why? whats up? |
| 18:23.51 | DaveLab | must be the asu |
| 18:23.52 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.08 | DaveLab | heh |
| 18:24.15 | DaveLab | yeah, if only |
| 18:24.16 | DaveLab | ;) |
| 18:24.20 | Tig| | roh: basically I want something that is at least somewhat working :( I might go back to 2007.2 again, I really like the FSO but it then means that I can't really get on and install apps or use sms which I need |
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| 18:24.43 | DaveLab | yeah that really sucks :( |
| 18:24.46 | DaveLab | consoles Tig |
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| 18:25.08 | Tig| | The keyboard in the FSO rocks though and is actually usable |
| 18:25.15 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 18:25.30 | CM | illume-theme-freesmartphone_git fails to build for me |
| 18:25.40 | Pyrasi | i personally really like the keyboard in raster's image from yesterday =o |
| 18:25.47 | DaveLab | :o |
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| 18:25.51 | DaveLab | raster's the man! |
| 18:25.58 | DaveLab | Rasterman |
| 18:26.07 | roh | DaveLab really. *waveing 10Euros* .. its not that money would be the problem.. i often pay 10-15E at the entrance of a club... after all most of that goes to the musician.. but i will not and never get a CC or paypay after learnging how that all works |
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| 18:27.12 | roh | Tig| i see.. well.. fso is not intended or built as 'working distro'.. its only the container to ease development of the middleware.. means all apps are just stubs to test the api and not 'complete and proper designed UI' |
| 18:27.12 | DaveLab | oh, you're a cashonly man? |
| 18:27.19 | DaveLab | heh |
| 18:27.35 | DaveLab | so you'll pay a cover charge but not a credit card fee? :P |
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| 18:27.49 | DaveLab | or more accurately a merchant percentage |
| 18:27.52 | roh | DaveLab i do bank transfer, cash and online-checked maestro card payments |
| 18:27.52 | red | åñòü êòî áà ÷èò ïî ðóññêè ? |
| 18:27.54 | Tig| | roh: yes I know that but it seems to be the closest image to actually being useful for me :( |
| 18:28.00 | DaveLab | heh okay |
| 18:28.15 | roh | means i have a bank card an can pull out cash from a atm nearly anywhere... but i do not own a real CC or will ever get an account at paypal. |
| 18:28.39 | roh | paypal is a 'loan shark' .. they are not a bank and thus do not need to adhere the much more stringent rules of banking |
| 18:28.53 | Deubeuliou | I am using 2008.8 on SD card and the phone doens't ask for PIN, neither it shows me my SIM contacts |
| 18:28.57 | roh | thus i will never give em access to money from my side or even 'lend them some' |
| 18:29.00 | *** part/#openmoko red (n=red@84.42.63.25) |
| 18:29.02 | Tig| | roh: the only problem is that we are going to have another API break to get from the ASU stuff to an FSO based stack |
| 18:29.20 | Deubeuliou | is there a way to have the PIN-dialog ? |
| 18:29.26 | roh | Tig| jap.. depends on what you are building/ what you app will do |
| 18:29.48 | Torikun | http://rusher.webhop.org:69/wordpress/?page_id=129 |
| 18:30.04 | roh | Tig| to get more specific: in the end it should only gluecode you will need to replace |
| 18:30.30 | roh | too bad qtopia is simply not a middleware that makes sense to use from anywhere than qt properly |
| 18:30.49 | RayDar | I wonder if I could replace an SMT resistor on my GTA01 to get better battery life. |
| 18:30.53 | Tig| | Torikun: you meant story 127 |
| 18:31.13 | Torikun | yup |
| 18:31.14 | Torikun | lol |
| 18:31.15 | Torikun | oops |
| 18:31.23 | roh | Tig| but the app itself should run on all (2007.2, FSO, ASU/2008.8) since its all X11 |
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| 18:32.39 | roh | Tig| what do you wanna build? |
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| 18:34.33 | roh | RayDar where do you get that idea from? |
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| 18:35.07 | Tig| | roh, but say I wanted to write an app that talked to the phonebook and the calender and the gps to make something that for example was an intelligent notepad service, there is no way I can even start on anything like that as there is no standard datastore for any of it, there are several GPS backends, there is no standard datastore for the rest and none of it interfaces via any standard, so no doing for example a local ical call to get around the cal |
| 18:35.07 | Tig| | endering as nothing supports it etc |
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| 18:35.41 | roh | Tig| ah.. now i understand |
| 18:35.49 | Jasper | Hi. Im serious thinking of buying the Neo Freerunner. And what i wondering is if OM is so stable that it can be used as a phone. With that i mean if i can plaze and recive calls and sms. |
| 18:36.15 | Zorkman | who wants to answer jasper's question? |
| 18:36.20 | roh | yes..then it makes most sense you build on FSO... but hey.. actually thats good.. because now you can still influence the api, if something is missing for example |
| 18:36.34 | CM | only has a GTA01 |
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| 18:37.02 | mmontour | Jasper: no |
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| 18:37.05 | Zorkman | Jasper: my experience tells me it is not yet usable as main phone |
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| 18:37.33 | Pyrasi | Jasper: I use it as a main phone.....but i wouldnt recommend it if you dont like fixing things often |
| 18:37.35 | roh | Tig| i wouldnt bother too much with ASU or even 2007.2.. in my pov these were steppingstones, neccessary to get there fso is heading (toolkit independance) |
| 18:37.47 | Jasper | Zorkman, thx. Do you know about other dist? Like debian? |
| 18:38.23 | Zorkman | Jasper: I only know about 2007.2, asu/2008.8 and a little bit about debian (have not used it myself on the phone) |
| 18:38.37 | Zorkman | (have tried FSO a few times also) |
| 18:38.37 | Jasper | Zorkman, okay |
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| 18:39.25 | CM | Does anyone know a SRCREV_pn-illume-theme-freesmartphone that works? |
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| 18:40.30 | Jasper | Pyrasi, I do like fixing things. But im not sure that i can fix all the problems that i may face. And i do not want to bouther tha comunity all the time. |
| 18:40.31 | AntonTakk | so, any of you heard about the android phone being built by htc for tmobile? |
| 18:40.47 | Infoport | YEA! my qtopia boot is now booting (3rd partition) thanks mmontour! |
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| 18:41.24 | Zorkman | Jasper: i practically never used linux before and i can keep my phone running (or at least reflash it :)) so you sure as hell will be able to do it :) |
| 18:41.40 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: i heard of it and heard it is delayed |
| 18:41.57 | Zilla | Zorkman, do you use mainly linux? and if you do, wich distro do you use? |
| 18:42.07 | AntonTakk | hrm, ars technica story says everything is on track |
| 18:42.09 | Jasper | Zorkman, haha okay. what is it that is the biggest thinks that brake? |
| 18:42.23 | Pyrasi | sound |
| 18:42.54 | Infoport | dammit I need a longer USB cord to the phone...it needs to be able to span the desk without my leaning towards it |
| 18:42.57 | AntonTakk | looks like a nice bit of hardware thou, big screen and slide out kb |
| 18:42.57 | Pyrasi | the easiest fix for everything is a reboot....or if its real bad a reflash ;) |
| 18:43.05 | Zorkman | Jasper: suspend breaks the sound and gms audio quality is bad (on the other side) |
| 18:43.29 | Tig| | also battery life is currently poor |
| 18:43.30 | Pyrasi | suspend only breaks the sound if you have pulse audio installed though |
| 18:43.41 | Pyrasi | Tig o.O Battery life is fine for me |
| 18:43.48 | Pyrasi | I drain about 2% per hour |
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| 18:43.49 | AntonTakk | Zorkman: which software? I have never had bad gsm audio on the remote end |
| 18:43.49 | Zorkman | Zilla: i mainly useD windows, now i use Fedora9 when i don't have to work with programs which i do not have for linux |
| 18:44.01 | Tig| | Pyrasi: you can leave it a day without charging it? |
| 18:44.19 | malik1972 | tig| sure |
| 18:44.24 | Zilla | oke:) |
| 18:44.27 | Tig| | which image? |
| 18:44.31 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: when i speak; the other end hears a buzzing sound (only when i speak); volume on the other end is quite low, but when i increase it, they get an echo; on both 2007.2 and on 2008.8 |
| 18:44.33 | Pyrasi | hmm..i have never tried....but i charge it at night....so i know it lasts all day fine |
| 18:44.42 | Jasper | Okay. But is it any one that have tried installing debian on it. For what i could understand on the wiki that worked well? |
| 18:44.55 | malik1972 | 2-3 days, depends on load |
| 18:45.05 | Zorkman | I heard people do it and they said it worked fine |
| 18:45.05 | Pyrasi | Jasper: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/026695.html |
| 18:45.09 | Zorkman | Chox and ecraven do it i think |
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| 18:45.24 | Tig| | are there any phone apps for debian? |
| 18:45.39 | Pyrasi | i doubt it |
| 18:45.44 | malik1972 | tig| sure |
| 18:45.51 | Tig| | malik1972: which image are you running? |
| 18:45.52 | AntonTakk | i think zhone can be installed |
| 18:45.58 | malik1972 | tig| http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 18:45.59 | RayDar | roh: I thought I read somewhere that a wrong resistor value contributes to the abysmal battery life on the GTA01. |
| 18:46.15 | aggtrfrad | can i flash an image with dfu into the micro sd?? |
| 18:46.18 | roh | not yet afiak.. but i think people are working on that.. means adding packages to alioth to have zhone and freesmartphone middleware as packages |
| 18:46.35 | Zorkman | AntonTakk: http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2008/08/07/google-gphone-delayed-by-htc-glitches-global-equities-says/ |
| 18:46.45 | AntonTakk | aggtrfrad: no need to flash to microsd, there are special instructions for booting from sd |
| 18:46.50 | roh | RayDar yes and no.. there was newer fw for the gsm, besides that its mostly a sleep issue. |
| 18:47.28 | aggtrfrad | yeah but if u have a jffs image u have to flash into the flash mem and copy the rootfs to the micro sd |
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| 18:47.39 | aggtrfrad | i was wondering if i can do it directly |
| 18:47.43 | roh | RayDar the rest were minor things like adding pullups/downs or making existing ones higher ohm when possible (save some microwatt) |
| 18:47.56 | Infoport | ok, I'm off to deposit a check and play with qtopia... later! |
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| 18:48.49 | malik1972 | i did an opkg upgrade |
| 18:48.59 | malik1972 | with the above repos from zecke |
| 18:49.16 | malik1972 | and he installs millions of kernel modules:-) |
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| 18:50.06 | ssweeny | aggtrfrad, you can mount a jffs2 image as loopback and copy from there |
| 18:50.27 | malik1972 | kernel-module-zaurus? |
| 18:50.31 | aggtrfrad | hm |
| 18:50.45 | aggtrfrad | thats better, but still i can only mount it locally right? |
| 18:50.59 | aggtrfrad | so i have to download it into my phone |
| 18:51.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r8be3aee2fffd 10/packages/espeak/espeak_1.35.bb: [espeak] Add portaudio-v19 to the depends so linking is working |
| 18:51.23 | Arcnet | Does someone know on what condition the LEDs are turned on/off on daily build 20080813? |
| 18:51.25 | ssweeny | you can mount it on your dev machine, copy the contents out, tar them up, copy to the phone, and untar |
| 18:51.40 | aggtrfrad | oh right :D |
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| 18:52.11 | Deubeuliou | on the stock-firmware, is there a way to lower the speaker's volume ? It is too high and the slider only modify loudspeakers volume |
| 18:52.22 | ssweeny | i find it easier if with a sd card reader on the dev machine |
| 18:52.23 | peter__b | alsamixer |
| 18:52.26 | Deubeuliou | with alsactl, I can lower it |
| 18:52.29 | Deubeuliou | alsamixer I mean |
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| 18:52.45 | Deubeuliou | but there is no way to do it on the phone ? |
| 18:53.07 | Deubeuliou | the parameters go back to 100% when a call ends |
| 18:53.52 | Dave | Zorkman, needs more lab :p |
| 18:54.07 | Arcnet | Deubeuliou: there are alsastatefiles in /usr/share/openmoko/scenario/ you have to modify for the change to be permanent |
| 18:54.15 | Deubeuliou | thanks :) |
| 18:54.25 | Arcnet | np ;) |
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| 19:00.06 | b0ef | ehlo |
| 19:00.08 | b0ef | is there some information on turning on/off the leds? |
| 19:00.16 | Arcnet | yes, a /sys/ device |
| 19:00.42 | Arcnet | It's hidden in the wiki ;) (think LEDs and Buttons) |
| 19:01.08 | kd8ikt | tries http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 19:01.42 | kd8ikt | oh hey i made a lil shell script that randomly toggles the leds |
| 19:01.51 | kd8ikt | you need bash installed though |
| 19:01.57 | Labman | to let you really think the phone is freaking out :) |
| 19:02.04 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Kd8ikt#demon_daemon |
| 19:02.27 | CVirus | chicks would see this so cool |
| 19:02.29 | CVirus | gotta use it |
| 19:02.31 | BBishop | would run gentoo on moko |
| 19:02.31 | b0ef | Arcnet: got it;) |
| 19:02.51 | CVirus | BBishop: would do that too |
| 19:03.13 | BBishop | I'd use my two godzillas to compile everything for it so I wouldn't waste too much time... |
| 19:03.29 | BBishop | 16 xeons compiling for moko :D =)) |
| 19:03.50 | b0ef | kd8ikt: thanks;) |
| 19:04.08 | BBishop | thinks about lending some resources to seti@home too ... |
| 19:04.32 | Tig|away | b0ef: this might be useful : http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ |
| 19:05.01 | kd8ikt | http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/openmoko/gta02.py |
| 19:05.14 | kd8ikt | thats a neat lil app too |
| 19:05.54 | kd8ikt | togle the leds show wireless AP's and readys accelerometer data |
| 19:06.02 | kd8ikt | reads* |
| 19:06.03 | Arcnet | lol @ demon_daemon :-D |
| 19:06.27 | kd8ikt | its neat, remember to modify the killscript |
| 19:06.58 | kd8ikt | change the sleep time to speedup/slow it down |
| 19:07.36 | kd8ikt | uncomment the vibrator stuff to have the vibrator also randomize |
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| 19:12.51 | Arcnet | oh, wireless fails... oO |
| 19:13.52 | Arcnet | is it normal behavior that, in case of a full charged battery dmesg gets spammed with "power_supply bat: pro [...]"-Lines? |
| 19:16.00 | Arcnet | http://pastebin.com/m4fc0e4da |
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| 19:19.47 | eartoast | moin |
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| 19:23.30 | Wonka | i'd like some app that reads sound from the mike and displays waveform and fft of it |
| 19:23.49 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:23.56 | DaveLab | a mighty big request |
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| 19:24.47 | sirkha_top | in FSO, what do I have to do to get the screen to come back on? |
| 19:25.00 | DaveLab | pray? :D |
| 19:25.06 | sirkha_top | (its perfectly responsive over ssh via wifi, but i can't wake it up) |
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| 19:28.50 | tkep | hello :) |
| 19:28.54 | mmontour | Wonka: jaaa and xoscope (both have bitbake recipes in OE). Don't know how well they'll work on the FR's screen; I use them over "ssh -X" forwarding |
| 19:29.31 | mmaestri | does anybody knows which app is 1178 on scap? |
| 19:33.33 | Arcnet | i saw it once somewhere... :-D |
| 19:33.48 | DaveLab | Any of you guys pythoners? |
| 19:33.52 | DaveLab | snakeheads :P |
| 19:34.15 | mmaestri | frubar? fribar? fubar? :p |
| 19:35.49 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 19:35.52 | DaveLab | strange... |
| 19:36.18 | DaveLab | ronny, still awake? |
| 19:36.36 | DaveLab | Labman! |
| 19:36.43 | DaveLab | I see you there! |
| 19:36.48 | DaveLab | Hiding in my lab! :P |
| 19:37.24 | malik1972 | mmaestri: how can i reach the screenshot with that number? |
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| 19:38.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r40fffaec4c35 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Xglamo with Chris Ball's xrandr patch |
| 19:38.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r731d542bb1c6 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia with various GSM stability fixes |
| 19:38.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc06f23648149 10/packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb: [openmoko-community-repository] Modify the URL |
| 19:38.06 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r375c0acc3aea 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade opkg-utils-native to get tick's Size fixes #1803 |
| 19:38.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb4594ad66728 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss |
| 19:38.12 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r561e6fdce0d4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre |
| 19:38.15 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r257ed006a4b7 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf |
| 19:38.18 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r26791f7d1363 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak |
| 19:38.21 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r83091895bccf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite |
| 19:38.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r697461852065 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit |
| 19:38.25 | DaveLab | bah |
| 19:38.31 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r64e73cddb045 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio |
| 19:38.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5ce362227a2e 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher |
| 19:38.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r85d0eab061e8 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums |
| 19:38.42 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5f5dee8f22b4 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums |
| 19:38.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb4e2d4ff1daf 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums |
| 19:38.48 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc89f85c1ba55 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums |
| 19:38.56 | CVirus | CIA-47: n00b .. stfu |
| 19:38.57 | julioh | bag |
| 19:39.01 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:39.04 | *** part/#openmoko Torikun (n=rusher@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 19:39.11 | cga | meh! |
| 19:39.18 | CVirus | DaveLab: zomg .. what are you doing inside the lab :-p |
| 19:39.19 | julioh | kik |
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| 19:41.19 | cga | DaveLab, u'r 00bRn00bzLab |
| 19:41.25 | DaveLab | Hello cga |
| 19:41.31 | ronny | DaveLab: sup? |
| 19:41.32 | DaveLab | SeeVirus! |
| 19:42.06 | DaveLab | Hey ronny, by default are open filestreams binary or is there a bfile or bwrite command/method for that? |
| 19:42.19 | DaveLab | or way I can specify by opening a file in binary mode. |
| 19:42.25 | ronny | DaveLab: pydoc open |
| 19:42.39 | ronny | DaveLab: you know, rtfm skills are usefull ;P |
| 19:43.22 | DaveLab | pydoc? |
| 19:43.23 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:43.30 | DaveLab | hope it's better than perldoc :D |
| 19:43.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r5855b01be385 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for alsa-oss |
| 19:43.36 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7fac7c3a6c87 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for djvulibre |
| 19:43.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r86691448e6cb 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for dotconf |
| 19:43.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf81e1a410d05 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for espeak |
| 19:43.43 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r84afa13c5e21 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for flite |
| 19:43.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r15cd5711b404 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for navit |
| 19:43.46 | DaveLab | looks like it's ass |
| 19:43.49 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r256dd51c9fbc 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for portaudio |
| 19:43.52 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r44f34d293b1a 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add checksums for speech-dispatcher |
| 19:43.55 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r36707759ab18 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add libgpewidget 0.117 to the checksums |
| 19:43.58 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r67ad5955043f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add KoboDeluxe to the checksums |
| 19:44.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra68a0b04e690 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add xwininfo to the checksums |
| 19:44.08 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rd211dda116ec 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add gst-python to the checksums |
| 19:44.11 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf51306fe8610 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade u-boot to the latest stable version |
| 19:44.16 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra7c82111b7e4 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [task-openmoko-feed] Add navit to the feed |
| 19:44.19 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * raa30bc4409db 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.115.bb: libgpewidget: depend in libxinerama. Parallel builds fail due to debian renaming |
| 19:44.22 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra5528f9e2458 10/packages/libgpewidget/ (4 files): libgpewidget: sanitize metadata order a bit and add RRECOMMENDS on gpe-icons |
| 19:44.27 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03florian 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r0e1944dfb25f 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.117.bb: libgpewidget: add 0.117 |
| 19:44.30 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r0c1237647434 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred versions] Build 0.117 of 0.115 of libgpewidget to fix segfault at crash |
| 19:44.31 | *** part/#openmoko julioh (n=julioh@200-71-150-172.static.telcel.net.ve) |
| 19:44.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r7a6e17f13165 10/packages/espeak/espeak_1.35.bb: [espeak] Add portaudio-v19 to the depends so linking is working |
| 19:44.38 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * r602667b985ea 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-asu.bb: [tasks-openmoko-asu] Split out connman and gtk+ to save for gta01 |
| 19:44.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * ra2f34ffc71a8 10/packages/tasks/ (4 files): [tasks] Set PACKAGE_ARCH so it has an effect |
| 19:44.44 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.testing * rf17808591dd2 10/packages/tasks/ (3 files): [tasks] Remove ALLOW_EMPTY=1 as task.bbclass is already setting that |
| 19:44.46 | DaveLab | Ah, I see, r/w+b |
| 19:44.48 | DaveLab | woo |
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| 19:45.01 | ronny | cia is not suitable for a dvcs |
| 19:45.43 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:45.49 | DaveLab | The CIA are onto you, ASU :P |
| 19:46.06 | DaveLab | tries to picture the CIA/NSA guys on their freerunners in the field using ASU |
| 19:46.12 | DaveLab | laughs |
| 19:49.38 | bumbl_ | lol |
| 19:50.48 | DaveLab | ronny, is there something similar to File::Slurp in python, a way to conveniently read the entire contents of a file into one variable? scalar? |
| 19:51.18 | ronny | content = file.read() |
| 19:51.37 | DaveLab | man :p |
| 19:51.42 | ronny | you dont do rtfm often, do you ? |
| 19:51.45 | DaveLab | I do! |
| 19:51.51 | DaveLab | There's so many methods! |
| 19:52.00 | ronny | not really |
| 19:52.05 | DaveLab | Everything's an object code scares me. |
| 19:52.08 | DaveLab | :P |
| 19:52.45 | ronny | its nice |
| 19:52.52 | CVirus | true |
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| 19:53.02 | ronny | just get used to it |
| 19:53.22 | DaveLab | shudders |
| 19:53.27 | DaveLab | Go back to java! :P |
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| 19:53.41 | DaveLab | it can't be that bad haha |
| 19:53.51 | DaveLab | I am used to "everything's a string" :P |
| 19:53.52 | DaveLab | hah |
| 19:54.00 | DaveLab | though the lack of types is somewhat disturbing |
| 19:54.09 | DaveLab | disorienting |
| 19:54.17 | ronny | everything is a string is a pain |
| 19:54.48 | DaveLab | heh |
| 19:54.55 | DaveLab | it's great for string manipulation! :P |
| 19:54.59 | DaveLab | laughs |
| 19:55.29 | ronny | not really |
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| 20:01.04 | cga | is there vim for 2007.2??? i can't find it with opkg install. do i need a repo? |
| 20:01.25 | cga | found it |
| 20:01.28 | cga | thanks anyway |
| 20:01.40 | cga | now... i do i set it as default editor? update-alternatives? |
| 20:01.53 | *** part/#openmoko ndrs_ (n=ndrs___@89.100.134.136) |
| 20:02.47 | alfatangoxt | install nano :P |
| 20:02.57 | Torikun | That is what I did alfatangoxt |
| 20:02.57 | Torikun | lol |
| 20:03.06 | alfatangoxt | lol |
| 20:03.14 | Arcnet | what about emacs? |
| 20:03.20 | DaveLab | oh great, more callsign nicks |
| 20:03.30 | DaveLab | arcnet, eww |
| 20:03.37 | DaveLab | arcnet, there's already been two ports of it -_- |
| 20:03.42 | DaveLab | emacs and emacs-mini I believe |
| 20:03.42 | cga | i love vim |
| 20:03.46 | DaveLab | high-fives cga |
| 20:03.53 | cga | no need for other editors |
| 20:03.58 | DaveLab | unfortunately the vim port seems to be pretty crappy righ tnow, but could only get better |
| 20:04.26 | cga | anyway... how do i set it as default editor? (i want to remove vi and sh .... i have bash and want vim) |
| 20:04.32 | DaveLab | $EDITOR |
| 20:04.42 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:04.45 | cga | export? that's it? |
| 20:04.47 | DaveLab | yes |
| 20:04.50 | DaveLab | or set it in your profile |
| 20:04.54 | DaveLab | or the global profile |
| 20:05.00 | kd8ikt | nano |
| 20:05.01 | cga | where do i find that |
| 20:05.03 | DaveLab | set your login shell to bash in passwd |
| 20:05.03 | cga | ? |
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| 20:05.06 | DaveLab | or use usermod |
| 20:05.09 | cga | done taht for bash |
| 20:05.12 | DaveLab | :] |
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| 20:05.35 | cga | where do i set the profile? |
| 20:06.18 | kd8ikt | /etc/profile |
| 20:06.36 | cga | that profile? XD |
| 20:06.38 | alfatangoxt | EDITOR="/bin/vi" <<< this |
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| 20:06.54 | DaveLab | EDITOR="/bin/vim" |
| 20:06.59 | DaveLab | huhu |
| 20:07.14 | alfatangoxt | EDITOR="/bin/nano" :P |
| 20:07.54 | cga | EDITOR=/bin/ed |
| 20:08.27 | cga | is thinking about copying his configurations from his desktop to neo... |
| 20:08.33 | Arcnet | who needs an editor at all? you've got cat, echo and grep... |
| 20:08.52 | cga | Arcnet, i dare you edit with that |
| 20:08.53 | DaveLab | hell yeah |
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| 20:09.06 | Arcnet | no, I use vim ;) |
| 20:09.09 | cga | eh |
| 20:09.09 | DaveLab | :D |
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| 20:11.05 | peter__b | anyone here tried to change the splash screen ? |
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| 20:11.20 | DaveLab | the boots? |
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| 20:12.16 | peter__b | no |
| 20:12.21 | peter__b | the uboot one |
| 20:12.21 | DaveLab | oh |
| 20:12.27 | peter__b | before the boots |
| 20:12.29 | DaveLab | OH, the Openmoko image? |
| 20:12.31 | DaveLab | orange |
| 20:12.32 | peter__b | yo |
| 20:12.44 | DaveLab | Yes? |
| 20:13.03 | DaveLab | Yeah well, that'd be nice to change; not sure if anyone's done it before. |
| 20:13.29 | Arcnet | You could try to change the image in the source package and recompile it |
| 20:13.30 | peter__b | its in a nand partition |
| 20:13.40 | mmontour | peter__b: I've done it on Neo1973 |
| 20:13.46 | peter__b | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen |
| 20:13.53 | DaveLab | \o/ |
| 20:13.58 | DaveLab | arcnet, right |
| 20:14.08 | DaveLab | Mmontour's slick like that. |
| 20:14.30 | peter__b | can really only use an image with 8 colors ? |
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| 20:15.18 | mmontour | It's a 5:6:5 RGB image (raw framebuffer data). Look in trunk/src/host/splash in the OM SVN tree. |
| 20:15.43 | mmontour | Not sure about Freerunner/glamo |
| 20:16.02 | DaveLab | Mmountour, if the size exceed x5000 will it just fail to load (bypass it), and continue booting? :P |
| 20:16.10 | DaveLab | oh |
| 20:16.35 | mmontour | yeah, it should continue booting even if the splash loading fails |
| 20:17.30 | DaveLab | yeah alright |
| 20:17.33 | DaveLab | goody |
| 20:17.50 | Pyrasi | i installed vim on mine...but i cant seem to get it to syntax color =( I copied over some syntax files and set it to color em in my vimrc file.....is this just a limitation of the version of vim on it? |
| 20:17.58 | DaveLab | Pyrasi, of course |
| 20:18.13 | Pyrasi | booo |
| 20:18.19 | DaveLab | you need a bajillion libs to do syntax highlighting :D |
| 20:18.23 | DaveLab | did you make sure to copy EVERYTHING |
| 20:18.29 | DaveLab | are you sure it ALL works on the freerunner? |
| 20:18.34 | DaveLab | (i.e. compile for) :p |
| 20:18.54 | Pyrasi | lol no =( oh well....wishful thinking i guess |
| 20:19.08 | DaveLab | yeah, just be patient, my son. |
| 20:19.11 | DaveLab | It will come! |
| 20:19.36 | Pyrasi | are you guys having trouble using bluetooth after a suspend? |
| 20:19.41 | Pyrasi | (on the new ASU builds) |
| 20:19.45 | Pyrasi | dev branch |
| 20:19.54 | DaveLab | meanwhile, someone give me ld! |
| 20:19.57 | DaveLab | >:( |
| 20:20.10 | DaveLab | My build will never be complete without it! ;) |
| 20:20.21 | DaveLab | eyes Mmontour suspiciously |
| 20:20.22 | Arcnet | I'm just trying to get my bluetooth headset to work :( |
| 20:20.35 | Labman | kd8ikt: you there? |
| 20:20.52 | Pyrasi | my bluetooth keyboard works great when i can get hciconfig to find the device =/ |
| 20:21.43 | SpeedEvil | The bluetooth device is awake? |
| 20:21.47 | SpeedEvil | Pyrasi |
| 20:21.59 | mmontour | stares back at DaveLab |
| 20:22.20 | Pyrasi | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? |
| 20:22.24 | Pyrasi | oh |
| 20:22.38 | Pyrasi | i mean i set it to bluetooth on in the settings menu |
| 20:22.42 | DaveLab | Mmontour do you happen to know of any packages that provide ld? :) |
| 20:22.51 | Pyrasi | and ive tried manually doing it as well |
| 20:22.57 | DaveLab | or where I could easily fetch it? or do I have to build it myself? |
| 20:23.28 | mmontour | should be in binutils (possibly prefixed with arm-angstrom-something-) |
| 20:23.46 | DaveLab | OH |
| 20:23.49 | DaveLab | right! |
| 20:23.53 | DaveLab | I just need to link it, bah :) |
| 20:24.45 | peter__b | DaveLab: trying to link something without the toolchain ? |
| 20:25.39 | DaveLab | No |
| 20:25.43 | DaveLab | ON THE PHONE |
| 20:26.13 | DaveLab | there were apparently symlink packages created for gcc/g++ and nothing ever linked the object builder, this is silliness or madness, I can't seem to figure out which :) |
| 20:26.19 | SpeedEvil | You're ON THE PHONE? |
| 20:26.48 | SpeedEvil | It won't work until you get a 16G SD, so can make the world on the phone. |
| 20:27.17 | DaveLab | I have the entire kernel source on the media card, which is sufficient :D |
| 20:27.28 | DaveLab | toys with Speedevil's sanity |
| 20:27.31 | SpeedEvil | That's easy. |
| 20:28.30 | SpeedEvil | gryres and gimbals. |
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| 20:30.24 | DaveLab | heehee :) |
| 20:30.33 | DaveLab | So Speedevil, did people ever receive their condoms? :) |
| 20:30.40 | DaveLab | were they happy? |
| 20:31.00 | SpeedEvil | One person here has said they have. I haven't perhaps been keeping as close a watch on it as I might. |
| 20:31.17 | Pyrasi | the woot ones? |
| 20:31.35 | SpeedEvil | Pyrasi: no - these are just random screen protectors that I found to work well. |
| 20:31.43 | Pyrasi | oh...haha |
| 20:31.58 | DaveLab | random screen protectors? |
| 20:32.00 | DaveLab | you found? |
| 20:32.04 | Pyrasi | I got one of those invisible shields.....ive been really impressed |
| 20:32.05 | DaveLab | what, lying on the street? |
| 20:32.10 | DaveLab | Pyrasi, really? |
| 20:32.19 | DaveLab | I hear it kind of sucked? at least the full body thing |
| 20:32.22 | DaveLab | So is it worth it? |
| 20:32.47 | Pyrasi | i think so....i have a full body one and like it pretty well. I mean it does what its supposed to. |
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| 20:33.16 | Pyrasi | all the pieces being custom cut for the freerunner made it pretty nice imo |
| 20:33.34 | mike--2 | ugh, i just switched to 2008.8 |
| 20:33.54 | mike--2 | is there a way to change the wallpaper without editing an edje file somewhere |
| 20:34.10 | DaveLab | crap, so close, modpost wasn't built :x |
| 20:34.11 | Tig|away | don;t think so |
| 20:34.24 | DaveLab | pyrasi, is it snug? |
| 20:34.40 | Tig|away | mike--2: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ |
| 20:34.51 | DaveLab | pimp yo freerunnar |
| 20:34.57 | DaveLab | freeruiner! |
| 20:35.00 | Pyrasi | what do you mean by snug? |
| 20:35.08 | DaveLab | tightly |
| 20:35.11 | DaveLab | or is it lose? |
| 20:35.37 | DaveLab | I'm guessing you provided the best description possible for that product though. |
| 20:35.47 | DaveLab | > "I mean it does what its supposed to." |
| 20:35.50 | DaveLab | right |
| 20:35.50 | Pyrasi | oh...the protector you apply to the body itself....its like a sticker.....its not coming off anytime soon |
| 20:35.59 | DaveLab | oh shit, really? :D |
| 20:36.02 | Pyrasi | yea |
| 20:36.03 | DaveLab | so it's glued on? :O |
| 20:36.25 | DaveLab | even to the screen? o_o |
| 20:36.30 | Pyrasi | not glued....you can peel it off if you really wanted to...and supposedly it leaves no residue behind....but it certainly doesnt move |
| 20:37.06 | Pyrasi | and they give you like 8 different pieces that you apply on all sides of the freerunner....so i can still open the back and press all the buttons with it applied |
| 20:37.17 | mike--2 | Tiglaway: heh, thanks |
| 20:37.29 | bkruse | I do too |
| 20:38.02 | Pyrasi | hmm....ill post some pictures sometime if you want |
| 20:38.17 | mike--2 | I have just a screen protector on mine - it was made for the nintendo DS, but it works great |
| 20:39.12 | DaveLab | heehee :) |
| 20:39.17 | DaveLab | mike, it fits well? :P |
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| 20:39.54 | mike--2 | DaveLab: it's too big to fit without taking the case off first, but I like it that way better |
| 20:39.55 | DaveLab | gah, this is so painful |
| 20:40.07 | DaveLab | okay :P |
| 20:40.15 | DaveLab | so long as it's working out for you |
| 20:41.25 | zedstar | anyone had problems with gps.h with bitbake before? getting the following trying to compile something that uses gps.h http://pastebin.com/m3e1660ef |
| 20:41.59 | Pjj | hm with latest 2007.2 I can't sent sms messages somehow, well atleast I can't right now have sent one yesterday, I can press the send button but it doesn't do anything, anything I can do about it? |
| 20:43.14 | Pjj | anyone have had this problem before or knows how to fix it? (typed the whole message now and now it doesn't do anything (146/160 characters long) |
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| 20:45.21 | Labman | DaveLab: you know where python-string can be found? |
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| 20:46.10 | cga | DaveLab, mmm i tried to scp some config files for bash and vim from my laptop to my neo but they don't seem to work or be loaded. any suggestion? (tried su - already) |
| 20:47.26 | DaveLab | labman, isn't it core? |
| 20:47.47 | henkie | when receiving a sms from my provider, the text is all garbled (with the qtopia image) |
| 20:47.50 | Labman | guess not, i get: http://pastebin.com/m3913c06a |
| 20:48.23 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 20:48.48 | Labman | anybody installed gutenflash? |
| 20:49.13 | DaveLab | scary |
| 20:49.20 | DaveLab | german crack? |
| 20:50.03 | DaveLab | oh haha |
| 20:50.06 | DaveLab | It's in buildhost ;p |
| 20:50.13 | DaveLab | It's just hiding from you! |
| 20:50.25 | DaveLab | I'm guesing it's: python-stringold |
| 20:50.27 | DaveLab | ;p |
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| 20:51.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5d39088028ab 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): odevapi: add org.freesmartphone.Device.{LED|PowerControl|PowerSupply|RealtimeClock} |
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| 20:52.49 | Labman | doh |
| 20:53.14 | Labman | i installed python-stronold and still the same error :( |
| 20:53.49 | DaveLab | stringold? |
| 20:53.54 | DaveLab | (without the typo?) |
| 20:54.06 | Pjj | no one here has a clue about the sms error I discribed above ? (pressing send button but not able to sent it with the 2007.2 latest distribution?) |
| 20:54.10 | DaveLab | well yeah, their software doesn't take into account that python-string doesn't exist! |
| 20:54.19 | Labman | strongold yes |
| 20:54.37 | DaveLab | oh man, if I can get this module built against arm, I'm going to be ecstatic. |
| 20:54.52 | DaveLab | I'm SO close... and yet, so far :( |
| 20:55.01 | DaveLab | hack it, baby! |
| 20:55.31 | DaveLab | Labman, what the hell is strongold? |
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| 20:57.17 | Labman | stringold :) |
| 20:57.33 | Labman | strongold is some kind of homestar-runner-strongbad-python-binding |
| 20:58.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd3a1fa1c9770 10/html/index.html: docs: update index.html |
| 20:58.13 | DaveLab | o_O |
| 20:58.16 | DaveLab | roflcopter |
| 20:58.38 | DaveLab | Woo, rebuilding org.openmoko.dev |
| 20:58.46 | DaveLab | whee, what could be more fun, I ask you!? |
| 20:59.02 | donomo | stacking bars of lead? |
| 20:59.03 | Hobart | porting open firmware to the freerunner? |
| 20:59.26 | DaveLab | donomo at least that would taste good :P |
| 20:59.30 | DaveLab | s/good/sweet/ |
| 20:59.31 | DaveLab | :P |
| 20:59.41 | Hobart | getting the freerunner to pull off the TCCBOOT trick where it compiles the kernel from source at every boot? |
| 20:59.49 | Wonka | i just finished rewriting my perl skript to download almanch data from u-blox to the GPS chip in python |
| 20:59.51 | DaveLab | gah |
| 20:59.59 | DaveLab | hmm, I wonder if you could run flux on the freerunner |
| 21:00.12 | Wonka | flux? |
| 21:00.13 | donomo | Wonka: how does almanac data get into u-blox? |
| 21:00.16 | DaveLab | wonka, sounds kinky |
| 21:00.23 | Wonka | donomo: from u-blox.com |
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| 21:02.16 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.28 | Labman | Wonka: there already was a script that does that i think |
| 21:02.44 | Pjj | is there anyway I could see why it's going wrong (unable to send the sms) then? |
| 21:02.58 | Labman | sorry pjj, i don't know |
| 21:03.33 | Pjj | Labman, thanks for atleast replying :) |
| 21:03.58 | DaveLab | :) |
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| 21:04.47 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.01 | cga | nite all but DaveLab and norsk in general XD |
| 21:05.20 | DaveLab | :[ |
| 21:05.24 | Wonka | https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/agps-alm.py |
| 21:05.30 | DaveLab | Oh, that's fair; I don't sleep! :D |
| 21:05.32 | Wonka | Pyrasi: yes. |
| 21:05.46 | DaveLab | Wonka, is it awesome, what does it do? |
| 21:05.58 | DaveLab | Pyrasi, OHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:06.00 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.13 | Wonka | Pyrasi: and if you change the "alm" to "full" and provide better location and accuracy, it can get as fast as 4 seconds |
| 21:06.19 | DaveLab | Are these that whole almanac route to try to feed helpful hint data into the gps thing to get it to fix quicker? |
| 21:06.22 | DaveLab | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.33 | DaveLab | Wonka, that's pretty impressive! |
| 21:06.44 | Wonka | its just python ;) |
| 21:06.51 | Wonka | and it needs internet connection |
| 21:07.29 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.48 | Wonka | not with this chip |
| 21:08.03 | Wonka | there is AssistNow Offline, but both methods do not work here |
| 21:08.21 | Wonka | the second one cannot work because of no flash |
| 21:09.15 | Wonka | and the first one does not work because the chip NAKs the config message saying "ask me for almanach data if you need some" |
| 21:09.15 | Zorkman | Wonka, I read there might be a slight hope to "fool" the chip and provide the offline data |
| 21:09.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.15 | Wonka | Pyrasi: ack |
| 21:09.26 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.37 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: that is the "A" in our AGPS |
| 21:09.37 | Wonka | Pyrasi: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS |
| 21:09.48 | Wonka | Pyrasi: the perl skript there is mine too |
| 21:10.10 | DaveLab | Almanac GPS? |
| 21:10.39 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.55 | DaveLab | high-fives Wonka |
| 21:11.12 | DaveLab | Pyrasi, there's no reason you cannot [explicitly specify it] |
| 21:11.34 | Zorkman | Wonka: in what format do we need to give our gps coordinateS? |
| 21:12.24 | Wonka | Zorkman: degrees north/east |
| 21:12.40 | Wonka | Zorkman: the line for "about germany" is: |
| 21:12.42 | Wonka | s.send('user='+user+';pwd='+pwd+';cmd=full;lat=50;lon=10;pacc=500000;\n') |
| 21:13.02 | Zorkman | what is pacc? |
| 21:13.21 | Wonka | 50 north, 10 east, accuracy about 500km |
| 21:13.23 | Zorkman | also, do we use a comma or a point to provide lat and lon? |
| 21:13.27 | Wonka | a . |
| 21:13.35 | Zorkman | thx |
| 21:13.36 | DaveLab | dec |
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| 21:14.49 | Wonka | see http://people.openmoko.org/matt_hsu/ImplementationAssistNowServerAndClient(GPS.G4-SW-05017-C).pdf |
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| 21:17.13 | DaveLab | Wonka, you haven't per chance used the om build env have you?> |
| 21:17.27 | Wonka | no |
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| 21:19.45 | Wonka | now, someone just needs to put that almanach (or even ephemeris, with "cmd=full" and location data) downloader into the ogpsd subsystem of frameworkd |
| 21:20.00 | Zorkman | Wow wonka |
| 21:20.03 | Alumin | Quick question ... I'm definitely an end user as opposed to a developer, so I know it's going to be a while before I'm in the target market, but...I'm curious where I can follow the status of the PIM applications for the phone? Other than making calls, that's what I really want it for |
| 21:20.08 | Zorkman | i ran your script and now everything is FUNKY |
| 21:20.20 | Alumin | ie the contact database, calendar, and to-do list |
| 21:20.29 | Wonka | Zorkman: you did read the usage information? |
| 21:20.40 | Wonka | Zorkman: you need to redirect output to /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 21:20.52 | Zorkman | http://pastebin.com/m5a2f2d09 |
| 21:20.57 | Alumin | I've got my hopes up...right now the best thing for it is the Treo stuff, but the PalmOS PIM apps are...well, they're OK but not great |
| 21:20.58 | Zorkman | aha :) sorry |
| 21:21.06 | Alumin | and don't get me started on synchronizing/backup |
| 21:21.10 | Zorkman | but it really does look psychedelic |
| 21:22.12 | Wonka | Zorkman: binary data often does |
| 21:23.19 | Zorkman | is tehre a way to check if the data has been recieved? |
| 21:23.32 | Zorkman | fix is not faster then before... |
| 21:23.34 | DaveLab | Redirect dinner |
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| 21:25.25 | Zorkman | Wonka? |
| 21:25.31 | Arcnet | Hm... if I want to crosscompile something for the freerunner, what do I have to set as host (./configure --host=???) |
| 21:25.42 | Wonka | Zorkman: not really |
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| 21:26.14 | Wonka | Zorkman: in openmoko-agpsui, there's usually several satellites in sight very fast |
| 21:26.27 | Wonka | Zorkman: that's the only sign i've seen so far |
| 21:28.02 | Zorkman | Wonka: we only need to run it once each boot? and what when we press "cold" reset in openmoko-agspui? |
| 21:28.10 | DaveLab | man rebooting is such a power whore |
| 21:28.28 | Zorkman | btw: north and east are positive values, correct? |
| 21:28.35 | DaveLab | Arcnet: I wish I knew! :D |
| 21:28.46 | DaveLab | I'm trying to do the same! |
| 21:28.51 | Arcnet | arm-linux ? |
| 21:28.58 | DaveLab | Currently compiling against the kernel sources |
| 21:29.08 | Arcnet | arm-linux ! :-D |
| 21:29.09 | Wonka | Zorkman: on cold reset, almanach and ephemeris data is lost and needs to be regained either via assistnow or via "normal" searching for satellites |
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| 21:29.54 | Arcnet | well, at least it configures more than before (ptlib in my case) :-) |
| 21:30.24 | DaveLab | hehe |
| 21:30.30 | DaveLab | but still fails? |
| 21:32.12 | Arcnet | yeah, missing some headers |
| 21:32.33 | Arcnet | wants his gentoo box back... stupid ubuntu :-D |
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| 21:33.28 | Arcnet | it's not the header file... |
| 21:33.34 | Arcnet | checking for ldap.h... no |
| 21:33.34 | Arcnet | checking for /usr/local/include/ldap.h... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling |
| 21:33.37 | Arcnet | Oo |
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| 21:36.44 | Arcnet | of course, the build enviroment lacks those headerfiles... stupid me |
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| 21:46.31 | UndrWater | anyone find a working wifi gui in 08.8? |
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| 21:50.51 | Zorkman | is it allowed to change the device to host mode while connected to a host? |
| 21:50.56 | Zorkman | or do i have to run it from the FR? |
| 21:51.07 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: syre |
| 21:51.14 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: it won't work. |
| 21:51.36 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: it certainly won't damage anything if you don't also enable 5V. |
| 21:51.50 | SpeedEvil | Zorkman: it may not if you do, but it's not a good idea. |
| 21:52.59 | Zorkman | thx |
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| 21:57.48 | Zorkman | SpeedEvil: when i run echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode |
| 21:58.02 | Zorkman | i get "echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 21:58.08 | lindi- | Zorkman: i get that too but it still works |
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| 21:58.17 | lindi- | Zorkman: just needs x restart |
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| 21:59.03 | richiefrich | sighs |
| 21:59.13 | richiefrich | when will openmoko get more phones! |
| 21:59.47 | araujo | wonders the same |
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| 22:00.45 | Zorkman | indeed, it works |
| 22:00.59 | richiefrich | araujo: im shocked they havent bothered to update their site |
| 22:01.05 | Zorkman | too bad i do not have a usb keyboard here (it's currently in a box somewhere :)) |
| 22:01.09 | richiefrich | araujo: still says july 25th |
| 22:01.14 | araujo | richiefrich, yeah :-( |
| 22:01.23 | richiefrich | araujo: i think that means next year |
| 22:01.31 | araujo | I wonder if they _really_ plan to release something before next year |
| 22:01.36 | araujo | :-( |
| 22:01.58 | richiefrich | yeah i think i will look into another linux phone |
| 22:02.16 | Zorkman | resellers had phones |
| 22:02.18 | richiefrich | araujo: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html |
| 22:02.22 | mmontour | richiefrich: koolu.com still has them in stock (oh, and they have 900s as well now) |
| 22:02.26 | Zorkman | heard bearstech is shipping |
| 22:02.37 | lambda__ | you heard right |
| 22:02.38 | richiefrich | mmontour: still says W.E. on checkout |
| 22:02.50 | richiefrich | mmontour: and no one has called me back |
| 22:02.51 | araujo | richiefrich, been thinking the same .. but I don't know how many more phones are like the Neo ... :-( |
| 22:02.55 | Zorkman | richiefrich: they are just the same as FR |
| 22:03.11 | mmontour | It's a stock Freerunner. I got mine yesterday. |
| 22:03.16 | richiefrich | Zorkman: i dont want a W.E. one |
| 22:03.21 | araujo | mmontour, where did you get it? |
| 22:03.25 | Zorkman | richiefrich: there is no difference |
| 22:03.28 | mmontour | koolu |
| 22:03.32 | richiefrich | Zorkman: yes there is |
| 22:03.39 | Zorkman | have you contacted them? |
| 22:03.46 | richiefrich | Zorkman: i called them twice |
| 22:03.53 | richiefrich | left messages no ones called me back |
| 22:04.23 | Zorkman | heard someone last week saying they didn't mod the case, it was something they were going to do, but the FR they sell are exactly the same as any other reseller or openmoko |
| 22:04.37 | Zorkman | send a mail to the community list, a lot of people have bought there |
| 22:04.45 | richiefrich | i think the A1600 looks nice |
| 22:04.50 | richiefrich | i had an A1200 |
| 22:04.51 | Zorkman | if it was different or if there were problems; i'm sure i would have heard about them |
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| 22:06.06 | richiefrich | well i know the W.E. phone has android on it |
| 22:06.14 | richiefrich | and thats spacific to canada |
| 22:06.20 | richiefrich | cause of Rodgers |
| 22:06.22 | Zorkman | richiefrich: android is not out... how the hell can they have android on it? |
| 22:06.39 | Zorkman | and openmoko is OPENmoko, it is not locked |
| 22:06.44 | Zorkman | please, don't talk shit |
| 22:06.46 | araujo | didn't know about W.E |
| 22:06.56 | richiefrich | Zorkman: i am not why dont you read |
| 22:07.14 | richiefrich | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2387774836.html |
| 22:07.21 | mmontour | richiefrich: it will at some point in the future (Android). For now if you order from Koolu you will get a standard Openmoko Freerunner with the 2007.2 image. As I said, I got mine yesterday (it's a GTA02v5 without the GPS hardware fix) |
| 22:07.22 | araujo | mmontour, so, koolu == freerunner? |
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| 22:07.46 | Zorkman | araujo: YES |
| 22:07.47 | richiefrich | mmontour: then as i said they need to change it on checkout! |
| 22:08.09 | mmontour | I am not defending their website. |
| 22:08.13 | richiefrich | mmontour: i dont see how hard that is.. |
| 22:08.14 | Zorkman | araujo; they are planning to make a custom os for it, and maybe later on even a custom case, but right now, there is no difference |
| 22:08.34 | mmontour | (which, BTW, seems to be broken at the moment) |
| 22:08.59 | zedstar_ | are there any GTA02v6 with the gps fix? |
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| 22:09.22 | araujo | Zorkman, aaah .. mm ... interesting |
| 22:09.27 | Zorkman | everything that is sold now is gta02v6, but i don't think they have the gps fixx |
| 22:09.44 | araujo | mmontour, so, they have phones in stock?, international shipping?, what is the link? |
| 22:09.52 | Zorkman | btw zedstar_: i have a gta02v5 and the gps works fine withouth hardware fix |
| 22:10.07 | ieatlint | i have a FR with the hw gps fix |
| 22:10.09 | zedstar_ | zorkman even with sd card in? |
| 22:10.28 | Zorkman | zedstar_: even when running the OS from the SD |
| 22:10.32 | zedstar_ | ieatlint u got it fixed or did it yourself? |
| 22:10.32 | mmontour | araujo: www.koolu.com, AFAIK they will ship internationally (but I'm in Canada), and as I said their site seems to be down ATM (except for the front page) |
| 22:10.42 | ieatlint | it wasn't done by smt, it was hand-soldered (but it is as i got it) |
| 22:10.46 | richiefrich | mmontour: it works here |
| 22:11.09 | mmontour | The "Click to buy" -> shop.koolu.com link is timing out for me. |
| 22:11.11 | Zorkman | TTFF: 40s in good circumstances; with the agps from ublox i expect 10s, but i still have to test that one :) |
| 22:11.33 | Zorkman | indoors near a window i get a fix in 80-380s |
| 22:11.33 | richiefrich | mmontour: and do they overnight it if i want |
| 22:11.37 | araujo | mmontour, aaah, ok, thanks, I will keep checking |
| 22:11.39 | ieatlint | yeah, no one's really talked about agps support |
| 22:11.47 | richiefrich | mmontour: or is that 6 to 8 weeks a standard |
| 22:11.51 | zedstar_ | anyone done a gta01 vs gta01 fix test? |
| 22:11.53 | richiefrich | This version of the phone will take 6-8 weeks to ship. |
| 22:11.57 | zedstar_ | 02 |
| 22:11.58 | Zorkman | ieatlint: there is already since a long time (on neo1973-germany.de) |
| 22:11.59 | ieatlint | koolu ships anywhere in the world |
| 22:12.06 | Zorkman | but today wonka also made a script: |
| 22:12.18 | mmontour | richiefrich: when I ordered they said 3-5 days to ship, + choice of Canada Post options (I went for 2-day Xpresspost but there was an overnight option) |
| 22:12.27 | Wiedi | mmaestri, the app you're looking for is xournal |
| 22:12.38 | Zorkman | https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/agps-alm.py |
| 22:12.51 | richiefrich | mmontour: ahh ok |
| 22:13.02 | richiefrich | mmontour: and you have to use Rodgers ? correct |
| 22:13.11 | richiefrich | since your in canada |
| 22:13.14 | ezekiel-v3 | haha, that hilights me every time |
| 22:13.29 | mmontour | Rogers or Fido (now owned by Rogers). I'm on Fido |
| 22:13.41 | richiefrich | ah |
| 22:14.40 | KenYoung | zedstar, I've done a gta01 vs gta02 (with software fix) comparison. The gta01 is substantially faster getting the first fix, and after the fix, the data looks less noisy on the gat01. |
| 22:15.59 | zedstar_ | kenyoung: interesting......the gta01 seems to be pretty sensitive compared to 2 other gps i own also |
| 22:16.48 | KenYoung | zedstar, Yeah, I've started using my '01, without SIM, as a GPS PDA, and I use the Freerunner as a phone. |
| 22:17.12 | KenYoung | I'm very happy with the GPS in the '01. |
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| 22:19.21 | zedstar_ | kenyoung: how long do u get on the battery with gps going? |
| 22:20.30 | KenYoung | zedstar, I've never run it down to full discharge, yet. I get at least 5 hours, if I make sure the backlight is on only infrequently. |
| 22:21.33 | KenYoung | zedstar, It might be capable of running much longer than that, for all I know. |
| 22:22.12 | zedstar_ | kenyoung: cool....ive never really unplugged mine from usb but that sounds pretty usable for gps |
| 22:22.23 | spdr_ | "No package 'libebook-1.2' found" while running om-conf, anyone know where do i get libebook from ? :\ |
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| 22:22.52 | rwhitby | KenYoung: FYI, I have TangoGPS running on FSO on the GTA01 now |
| 22:22.56 | KenYoung | zedstar, Yeah - I use it around town all the time - I've loaded LOTS of OSM maps on my 8 GB microSD. |
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| 22:23.25 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Ooops I meant that reply for you. Sorry. |
| 22:24.03 | Zorkman | nite all |
| 22:25.02 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Does FSO have gypsy handling the GPS multiplexing right now, or will that be added later? |
| 22:26.20 | rwhitby | KenYoung: FSO frameworkd gets input from gllin, then sends Gypsy dbus signals to tangogps-fso, which has patches to receive those signals. |
| 22:26.56 | rwhitby | frameworkd/ogpsd now has a python nmea parser |
| 22:27.09 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Oh, I didn't realize there was a version of tangogps which uses gypsy, instead of gpsd. |
| 22:27.29 | rwhitby | yes, there's some patches in OE for it |
| 22:27.52 | KenYoung | rwhitby, So it's not available on the tangogps site? |
| 22:27.59 | rwhitby | I added another one last night to receive timestamps so Tango knows the time. |
| 22:28.07 | rwhitby | KenYoung: dunno |
| 22:28.22 | rwhitby | I build direct from OE |
| 22:29.14 | rwhitby | one less daemon running is always good :-) |
| 22:29.17 | mmaestri | Wiedi: thx for the info about xournal, but cannot find it. do you know where it is? |
| 22:29.28 | mmontour | rwhitby: how are you getting the NMEA data from gllin? Still using /tmp/nmeaNP, or one of the other modes? |
| 22:29.41 | KenYoung | rwhitby, Well, that's very interesting to me, because I was not going to bother switching my GPS-enabled application to gypsy, until someone did that for tangogps, since tangogps seems to be by far the most popular GPS app for the OM platform. |
| 22:30.00 | rwhitby | mmontour: at the moment /tmp/nmeaNP, but going to test UDP today |
| 22:30.32 | rwhitby | KenYoung: I believe fso is using gypsy due to the dbus support. |
| 22:30.58 | mmontour | the pipe is a real PITA (kills gllin if the other process stops reading from it, etc). If UDP doesn't work there's also a PTY option that you can try. |
| 22:31.13 | Wiedi | mmaestri, there is a bb file in oe |
| 22:31.24 | mmaestri | ah, ok |
| 22:31.39 | zedstar_ | anyone try and get geoclue working with gypsy on their neo? |
| 22:31.41 | mmaestri | thx Wiedi |
| 22:32.00 | Wiedi | np :) |
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| 22:48.53 | Flinx | hello all! |
| 22:49.03 | Flinx | I FINALLY got my FreeRunner!!! *squeal* |
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| 22:49.43 | lindi- | Flinx: any smoke yet? |
| 22:49.49 | Flinx | Almost |
| 22:49.56 | Flinx | it does seem to take ages to power on tho |
| 22:50.45 | Flinx | and my new SIM card doesn't seem to work in it -.- |
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| 22:53.42 | lindi- | Flinx: how does it fail? can you capture traffic to the gsm chip? |
| 22:53.53 | Arcnet | Hm... someone knows how to create a shared library of some source code? |
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| 22:54.45 | Flinx | lindi-, I'm not really sure >.< All I know is two things. 1 - with or without a SIM card it comes up and says "Registering..." |
| 22:54.48 | lindi- | KenYoung: why not just write python wrapper that offers gpsd-like interface? |
| 22:55.05 | Flinx | 2 - I know that the card that I got today is on the list of known working SIM's |
| 22:55.11 | lindi- | Flinx: i hope you are prepared to debug things |
| 22:55.19 | Flinx | I know :D |
| 22:55.26 | Flinx | I'm going to flash it first prolly |
| 22:55.42 | Flinx | and I know three things actually |
| 22:56.16 | Flinx | 3 - the connections (stupid me) seem off center, and I may have to use the tape method to keep the holder from shorting the sim |
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| 22:58.42 | Flinx | SIM info: 71234 (SKU) / G (manufacturer) / 3022 (version) |
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| 22:59.37 | lindi- | Flinx: you want to see the serial traffic |
| 22:59.43 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 23:00.03 | Flinx | Should I leave it at factory settings or, try the 2008.08 software? |
| 23:00.20 | lindi- | depends on who you ask :) |
| 23:00.37 | lindi- | Flinx: i have not managed to compile 2008.8 and i only want to run software i can compile |
| 23:00.51 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:01.00 | Flinx | well I'm just excited to finalyl have it :P |
| 23:01.04 | lindi- | since otherwise there's not much i can do to debug it |
| 23:01.06 | Flinx | theres nothing to do with it though.... |
| 23:01.36 | Flinx | but anyways... how do I start debugging? |
| 23:02.52 | mmaestri | odd...I'm getting a auth error when trying to open anything on my desk x server http://www.mibbit.com/pb/bCZTnO |
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| 23:03.42 | Flinx | what sort of errors? |
| 23:03.52 | Flinx | because I've had problems with Mibbit before. |
| 23:04.12 | mmaestri | that mibbit thing is a pastebin |
| 23:04.17 | McKael | Do you know where Qtopia Mediaplayer looks for multimedia files on OM2008.08? |
| 23:04.43 | mmaestri | i'm getting errors when trying to open something thru ssh on my host x server |
| 23:04.52 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:04.53 | lindi- | Flinx: strace? |
| 23:05.06 | Flinx | lindi-, kay. |
| 23:06.06 | Flinx | lindi-, lemme make sure that its charged. out of box it seemed to be at ~90% charge after 10 minutes on 1000mA, but then lost most of it in like 15-20 minutes idling. |
| 23:07.27 | Flinx | I think I heard that was pretty normal though. |
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| 23:09.35 | niklauz | i heard recently that openmoko runs all the software as root, is that true and are there any plans for a security model, maybe something like policykit? |
| 23:09.53 | edistar_ | niklauz: it's true, and there are no real plans yet |
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| 23:12.51 | lindi- | niklauz: when all phone services are usable over dbus you can run GUI as normal user |
| 23:13.08 | lindi- | niklauz: i think somebody already managed to do this on debian |
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| 23:13.26 | edistar_ | lindi-: somebody ;) |
| 23:13.30 | Flinx | just out of morbid curiosity... but since this is a developers phone.. is there any reason why running things as root is bad? |
| 23:13.37 | niklauz | lindi-: what do you mean about debian? |
| 23:13.47 | edistar_ | niklauz: debian runs on the freerunner |
| 23:13.48 | lindi- | edistar_: was that you? ;) |
| 23:14.15 | edistar_ | ;) |
| 23:14.19 | lindi- | Flinx: yes, a small bug can cause damage :) |
| 23:14.37 | Flinx | ah |
| 23:14.56 | Flinx | makes sense.... |
| 23:15.31 | lindi- | Flinx: and think about using graphical file manager with touchscreen as root |
| 23:15.38 | lindi- | "whoops, there goes /lib" |
| 23:15.49 | Flinx | ahh |
| 23:15.50 | Flinx | yeah >.< |
| 23:16.00 | Flinx | is there no sudo? |
| 23:16.21 | edistar_ | lindi-: I like the idea of an install script btw.. although it'd be nicer to run it from the pc.. |
| 23:16.26 | lindi- | Flinx: in debian there is |
| 23:16.32 | edistar_ | Flinx: but not default |
| 23:16.35 | lindi- | edistar_: i like install script more than image yes |
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| 23:16.59 | lindi- | edistar_: since that way people are not locked into using the image somebody else gave with no way to make changes to it easily |
| 23:17.04 | edistar_ | exactly |
| 23:17.12 | edistar_ | I'll test it tomorrow, I'm too tired nwo |
| 23:17.13 | edistar_ | ow |
| 23:17.16 | edistar_ | *now |
| 23:17.21 | edistar_ | can't even type anymore.. |
| 23:17.52 | edistar_ | and modify :) e.g. I want to use kernel in internal flash.. |
| 23:17.58 | Flinx | do you mean ARM9 debian or X86 Debian? |
| 23:18.04 | edistar_ | so need to have 2 kernels on one device |
| 23:18.09 | edistar_ | Flinx: arm debian |
| 23:18.15 | Flinx | gotcha |
| 23:18.24 | edistar_ | s/so/no |
| 23:18.47 | Flinx | cause I'm using Etch right now ;)... not yet configured for doing things wiht my phone.. but I do that after reading |
| 23:19.30 | edistar_ | Flinx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner fellow debianer :) |
| 23:20.10 | Flinx | sweet.. |
| 23:20.22 | edistar_ | good night |
| 23:20.26 | Flinx | I gotta get my NTFS-3G and ALSA back first |
| 23:20.30 | Flinx | but thanks :D |
| 23:21.29 | mmaestri | edistar_: how big sd memory should be to work well with that wiki's info? |
| 23:21.34 | lindi- | edistar_: how about recommending a daily backup script for debian users? |
| 23:22.06 | lindi- | edistar_: so that if something breaks in upgrade you can easily revert back |
| 23:22.07 | edistar_ | mmaestri: well.. 512 is just about enough, but 4gb ist best |
| 23:22.14 | edistar_ | lindi-: yeah, nice idea too! |
| 23:22.26 | edistar_ | but backup from within debian of course.. and save where? |
| 23:22.36 | lindi- | edistar_: save over usb to PC |
| 23:22.38 | mmaestri | edistar_: i have 1Gb. is it enough? |
| 23:23.01 | edistar_ | lindi-: okey.. |
| 23:23.01 | edistar_ | mmaestri: should be |
| 23:23.05 | edistar_ | mmaestri: I'm using 640mb right now |
| 23:23.16 | edistar_ | and it's a full system with x, zhone, matchbox etc |
| 23:23.27 | lindi- | i have 512 SD and it's almost full |
| 23:23.38 | lindi- | but i can still fit source code of framebuffer driver and gdb :) |
| 23:23.46 | mmaestri | ok, so let's install debian again ;) |
| 23:23.54 | edistar_ | well, good night.. I might write the backup script tomorrow |
| 23:24.39 | lindi- | edistar_: sudo rsync --delete --numeric-ids -ax 10.168.0.202:/ --link-dest ~/openmoko/2008-08-13 ~/openmoko/2008-08-14 |
| 23:24.48 | edistar_ | lindi-: boring :) |
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| 23:25.09 | lindi- | how come? ;) |
| 23:25.35 | edistar_ | much to easy, that solution^^ |
| 23:25.43 | lindi- | ah :) |
| 23:26.05 | edistar_ | cu soon |
| 23:26.09 | lindi- | some easy way to automate it would be needed though |
| 23:26.16 | lindi- | backups are never made if they require manual work :P |
| 23:27.40 | edistar_ | they are never made, whether manually or automatically ;) |
| 23:27.46 | edistar_ | tapes always seem broken.. |
| 23:28.20 | Flinx | urgh.. I hate setting up new system builds... it takes ages. |
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| 23:41.18 | Arcnet | yeah, libosip2 and libeXosip2 compiled :-) |
| 23:41.27 | Arcnet | linphone, I'm coming :-) |
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| 23:46.42 | mmaestri | anyone can point me to the latest know well working uboot? |
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| 23:59.23 | linuxxr | Collected errors: |
| 23:59.25 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.48 | linuxxr | i tried to install tango ops |