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| 00:06.11 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:06.22 | undrwater | evening |
| 00:07.50 | Pyrasi | MrTuttle: upgrade python-pygtk |
| 00:08.03 | Pyrasi | use the one in the scaredycat repos |
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| 00:37.14 | Pyrasi | anyone know what would cause gtk applications (aka tangogps) not to screen refresh/respond to clicks on 20080811? |
| 00:43.53 | Dave | uggh |
| 00:47.51 | Dave | Mmontour, the plot thickens :( |
| 00:48.42 | Dave | So I formatted the sd card as ext3, the SAME filesystem as my pc, and simply copied the files over via usb card reader. However, NOW it's showing a discrepancy (smaller)! |
| 00:48.51 | Dave | This time it's about 40M too small |
| 00:49.15 | Dave | Normally if it were a Megabyte or two I might just shrug it off, but 40? I'd say a good bit must not have been copied -_- |
| 00:49.42 | ieatlint | Dave, how are you copying it? |
| 00:50.07 | Dave | true, I used cp -R |
| 00:50.29 | ieatlint | yeah, you need to ensure it keeps permissions |
| 00:50.37 | ieatlint | but that's not due to the loss of data |
| 00:51.00 | Dave | :| |
| 00:51.06 | ieatlint | that's because the memory is sitting in buffers, and you're pulling the card off without flushing them |
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| 00:51.47 | ieatlint | trying "rsync -av src dst" and then "sync" may solve your problem |
| 00:52.26 | Dave | oh, but I used -p :| |
| 00:52.40 | Dave | so wtf |
| 00:52.50 | Dave | alright, I'll try rsync |
| 00:52.56 | ieatlint | that may work... i just personally never trust cp when permissions are key, but that's my own issue :P |
| 00:53.00 | Dave | though shouldn't cp -Rp have worked? |
| 00:53.04 | Dave | true :P |
| 00:53.09 | Dave | well that's what I issued |
| 00:53.19 | Dave | I don't know why the fuck it didn't work :D |
| 00:53.22 | ieatlint | it's the sync command you need methinks |
| 00:53.29 | Dave | I'll try rsync, it's always been my bestest friend for backups. |
| 00:54.04 | Dave | :) |
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| 01:03.54 | Dave | ieatlint need I wipe it fresh? |
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| 01:23.53 | Dave | raster! |
| 01:24.45 | raster | burrp |
| 01:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moooo |
| 01:27.00 | raster | moo2 |
| 01:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 01:32.02 | Dave | Joerg! :D |
| 01:32.16 | Dave | Hello Mister Raster |
| 01:32.23 | raster | moo3 |
| 01:32.38 | Dave | mood |
| 01:37.50 | hipitihop | Can someone please explain why I always need to do 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.248' each time I connect the neo even though I have "allow-hotplug usb0 ...' in my interfaces file on desktop ? |
| 01:38.30 | Dave | ieatlint: well, bad news (maybe?) |
| 01:38.55 | Dave | I ran rsync -a and it ran in a matter of seconds, then sync'ed and nothing changed -_- |
| 01:39.09 | kgoetz | hipitihop: have you setup the interface correctly? |
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| 01:42.25 | hipitihop | kgoetz, do you mean 'iface usb0 inet static...' etc in my desktop interfaces file ? |
| 01:42.43 | kgoetz | hipitihop: yes |
| 01:42.55 | Dave | rasterize |
| 01:43.42 | hipitihop | kgoetz, I can ping and ssh to the neo and the neo can ping the desktop |
| 01:45.06 | hipitihop | kgoetz, but only after I manually run 'sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.252' or .248 |
| 01:45.28 | kgoetz | hipitihop: so that completely fails to answer my question |
| 01:45.48 | hipitihop | kgoets, sorry, please elaborate |
| 01:46.11 | kgoetz | hipitihop: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 01:46.12 | hipitihop | do you want to see my interfaces file via a pastebin ? |
| 01:46.17 | hipitihop | k |
| 01:46.19 | kgoetz | yes, thanks |
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| 01:47.28 | Dave | oh wells, I'm going to try it |
| 01:50.14 | hipitihop | kgoetz, http://pastebin.com/m50ec0af2 |
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| 01:51.37 | hipitihop | kgoetz, fyi, wireless-key and wireless-essid on eth1 omitted from pastebin |
| 01:52.29 | kgoetz | hipitihop: try making your netmask 192 |
| 01:53.03 | hipitihop | kgoetz, do you also want fr interfaces one ? |
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| 01:53.31 | kgoetz | hipitihop: nah |
| 01:53.38 | gmaxwell | So I'm using the standalone development kit and cross compiler.. I've also done a complete mokomakefile build. How do I link against libraries built by mokomakefile? |
| 01:53.39 | kgoetz | not unless you customised it |
| 01:54.42 | hipitihop | kgoetz, yes to place it on separate subnet 192.168.1.202 whereas desktop and remainder of my network is 192.168.0.x |
| 01:55.16 | hipitihop | kgoetz, I have been struggling to get it (neo) to get out past the desktop and that is what someone else here suggested yesterday |
| 01:56.16 | kgoetz | ah, ok. |
| 01:56.30 | kgoetz | you should be able to mask it while being on 0 still |
| 01:56.36 | kgoetz | thtas what mine is |
| 01:57.32 | SpeedEvil | If you can ping the desktop at all, you should just be able to route add default gw desktop on your phone, and have it just work. |
| 01:57.42 | SpeedEvil | Once you properly configure masquerading. |
| 01:57.52 | hipitihop | kgoetz, I'm happy to switch neo back to 192.168.0.x if you think that makes things easier/comparable , just realize my router/gateway to the outside world is also 192.168.0.1 |
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| 01:58.35 | Infoport | KenYoung: I tried orrery earlier, but something was very wrong-- it showed all these stars up in the sky, but really only the sun was out (the rest didnt come out until MANY hours later ;-) |
| 01:58.40 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, I can ping the desktop but not the router |
| 01:58.42 | SpeedEvil | Even if it's on a completely seperate net - my router is on 10.0.0.2, my desktop is on 192.168.0.88, and it hyst works |
| 01:59.06 | Infoport | "just works" |
| 01:59.12 | Dave | huhu |
| 01:59.13 | Dave | :P |
| 01:59.16 | Dave | Infoport :D |
| 01:59.21 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, my desktop is 192.168.0.4 and my router is 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:59.21 | Dave | I'm hacking teh orrery :) |
| 01:59.25 | Dave | You'll appreciate that :) |
| 02:00.17 | kgoetz | hipitihop: setting a custom mask should fix you up |
| 02:00.18 | Infoport | Dave: I noticed later that when I reinstalled orrery, I still got it in PIM and in Applications-- did you take out the tag Office, or just add another? |
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| 02:00.57 | hipitihop | kgoetz, so what do you suggest I flick everything back to same subnet first 192.168.0.x ? |
| 02:01.05 | Dave | Infoport, my changes haven't been added to his opkg, to my knowledge |
| 02:01.20 | Dave | I mean dude, I don't have commit access or access to fuck up his already-made packages :D |
| 02:01.26 | Dave | That would be rather... uhh... naughty! |
| 02:01.32 | Dave | But hopefully I can get permission >:) |
| 02:01.35 | Dave | I sent him changes |
| 02:01.41 | Dave | Kev |
| 02:02.12 | Infoport | Dave: we need accelerometer support in OM-- I really think that clearing the screen should by "turn screen face down and shake back and forth" |
| 02:02.23 | Dave | bah |
| 02:02.26 | kgoetz | hipitihop: yes, and set a netmask of 192 |
| 02:02.27 | Dave | yeah yeah |
| 02:02.32 | Dave | someday... |
| 02:02.32 | rooly|away | likes that idea |
| 02:02.32 | Dave | :p |
| 02:02.36 | Dave | don't get ahead of yourself |
| 02:02.45 | Dave | etch-r-sketch! |
| 02:02.52 | Dave | hot! |
| 02:02.55 | Infoport | DAve: aaahhh. oh and here I thought that was one of your magical powers :-P: |
| 02:02.57 | kgoetz | evil |
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| 02:03.32 | hipitihop | kgoetz, is there some way to recover if I no longer can ping or ssh into the neo ? as I do not have a terminal on that side so everything being done via ssh at the moment |
| 02:03.44 | SpeedEvil | flash it |
| 02:04.10 | kgoetz | ^^ |
| 02:04.22 | Dave | Infoport :D |
| 02:04.24 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, guess so, although this 2008.8 stack I'm running of the SD |
| 02:04.32 | Dave | I have many, it's hard to discern what I can do at times ;) |
| 02:05.19 | Dave | Though many are concealed within my alter identity >:) |
| 02:05.25 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: re-write the SD then, or work out the net config on the phone side |
| 02:06.18 | Infoport | hipitihop: you might also be able to boot the NAND OM2007 (or mount SD elsewhere on host computer), and then edit the files on the SD card as if they were just a directory, then reboot... of course it might be easier to reinstall 200.8 |
| 02:06.35 | Infoport | 2208.8 |
| 02:06.41 | Infoport | 2008.8 |
| 02:06.54 | Infoport | "third time's a charm" |
| 02:07.01 | hipitihop | goes off to twiddle neos interfaces file and desktop interfaces standby.... |
| 02:07.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. Netmasks are irrelevant. You're not using them on the phone side - it's a point-point connection, with the point being also the gateway. Also on the desktop side, as your netmasks are presumably already setup so you can hit the net. The only thing remaining is the configuration of the masquerading/NAT, which is not under the control of netmasks |
| 02:07.38 | rooly|away | sighs |
| 02:07.45 | rooly|away | i need something to watch this super-drm'ed movie |
| 02:07.51 | rooly|away | hates the MPAA |
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| 02:08.51 | Dave | uggh, what the fuck. |
| 02:09.02 | rooly|away | brb, gnome-panel did |
| 02:09.08 | Dave | Package gcc (4.1.2-r14) installed in root is up to date. |
| 02:09.09 | Dave | -sh: gcc: not found |
| 02:09.15 | rooly|away | dave |
| 02:09.17 | rooly|away | on the phone? |
| 02:09.19 | Dave | Yes. |
| 02:09.25 | rooly|away | opkg install gcc-symlinks |
| 02:09.26 | Dave | It was there last week! |
| 02:09.44 | Dave | lovely, thanks. yeah someone fucked with shit in the upgrades :) |
| 02:09.46 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: have you setup the nameservers on the neo side? |
| 02:10.34 | Infoport | mmm food... |
| 02:10.37 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, put an echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:10.43 | Dave | uhh |
| 02:11.05 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, in neos interfaces |
| 02:11.16 | Dave | oh yippee, am I going to have to now install a *-symlinks package for every single gnu utility? :D |
| 02:11.19 | Dave | haha |
| 02:11.25 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: that doesn't work unless you've also got a properly configured nameserver at tehre |
| 02:11.36 | SpeedEvil | can you ping the nameserver/ |
| 02:11.48 | Dave | well gcc/g++ work now, so whee. |
| 02:12.04 | Dave | hooray, I'm crazy! |
| 02:12.18 | Dave | How long do you think it would take to compile a linux kernel on the phone? |
| 02:12.23 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, can we sort that as second step once I reconfig back to 192.168.0.x range and see what I can see |
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| 02:12.30 | Dave | a month maybe? :) |
| 02:12.31 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop: of cours |
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| 02:12.41 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it's not that slow |
| 02:12.49 | SpeedEvil | Dave: 2 hours IIRC |
| 02:12.53 | Dave | COUGH |
| 02:13.04 | SpeedEvil | Dave: tjhough IO wasn't building a properly patched kernel |
| 02:13.06 | Dave | speedevil, I think you greatly underestimate how shitty it is. |
| 02:13.14 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I've done it |
| 02:13.19 | Dave | heh |
| 02:13.23 | Dave | good |
| 02:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Compiling avoids most of the problematic areas. |
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| 02:13.58 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't want to use FPU, ... |
| 02:14.02 | rooly|away | i hate it i hate it i hate it |
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| 02:20.45 | rooly|away | needs a drm-removal tool |
| 02:21.15 | SpeedEvil | rooly|away: camcorder |
| 02:21.40 | rooly|away | can't play the dvd |
| 02:21.51 | SpeedEvil | rooly|away: region problems? |
| 02:21.51 | rooly|away | have linux, no stand-alone current dvd player |
| 02:22.01 | rooly|away | nah, it's super-duper protected |
| 02:22.11 | rooly|away | to the point of even offering a "digital copy" |
| 02:22.11 | SpeedEvil | return it |
| 02:22.20 | rooly|away | i wanna watch the movie tho! |
| 02:22.27 | SpeedEvil | p2p it |
| 02:22.30 | rooly|away | i'm about to |
| 02:22.36 | rooly|away | gonna try to do it quicly first tho |
| 02:27.02 | SpeedEvil | What linux dvd players have you tried? |
| 02:27.33 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, kgoetz, sorry for the delay trying reboot neo from SD |
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| 02:31.11 | Infoport|food | rooly|away: doesnt your Linux box play encrypted movies? |
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| 02:31.38 | Infoport|food | rooly|away: I like VLC player |
| 02:32.19 | Infoport|food | SpeedEvil: my Linux box plays other regions too (only have one from other region) |
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| 02:34.49 | Dave | aww crud |
| 02:34.50 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, kgoetz, ok, have neo/desktop up on same subnet 192.168.0.x neo is 192.168.0.202 and I'm using mask 192 |
| 02:34.52 | Dave | gotchas |
| 02:37.52 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, kgoetz, ssh'ed into neo now. Can ping from neo to 192.168.0.4/192.168.0.200 but cannot ping the desktop's gateway/router 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:38.24 | kgoetz | hipitihop: have you enabled packet forwarding on the desktop? |
| 02:39.20 | hipitihop | kgoetz, I thought that is what the desktops interfaces file did automatically |
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| 02:40.08 | kgoetz | hipitihop: *should* do. its worth checking :) |
| 02:40.20 | SpeedEvil | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 02:40.20 | SpeedEvil | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 02:40.24 | SpeedEvil | run it |
| 02:40.31 | SpeedEvil | see if it makes a difference |
| 02:40.47 | SpeedEvil | swapping -s for the phones ip even |
| 02:40.53 | hipitihop | kgoetz, will try from cli assuming sudo needed in my case, standby |
| 02:40.53 | KenYoung | Mr SpeedEvil, are you willing to send 10pF 0402 caps to the US? |
| 02:41.00 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: quite |
| 02:41.16 | SpeedEvil | $5/3 |
| 02:41.31 | KenYoung | How can I do the transaction? |
| 02:42.14 | SpeedEvil | pm |
| 02:43.20 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: I tried out orrery earlier, but it didn't work right-- it showed all these stars, but the only one that was really out was the sun...the others werent out yet ;-) |
| 02:44.17 | SpeedEvil | Infoport|food: yes they were |
| 02:44.28 | SpeedEvil | Infoport|food: with a moderate scope, you can see stars during the day |
| 02:44.33 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: but please change it from Office...stargazing at work is only encouraged at observatories |
| 02:44.49 | Infoport|food | SpeedEvil: screenshot or it didnt happen :-P |
| 02:46.00 | hipitihop | kgoetz, should 'sudo iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24' allow me to see 192.168.0.1 ? |
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| 02:46.35 | Infoport|food | ok, time to impress another person with orrery...back later |
| 02:46.52 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, I'll add a blue screen of death for daylight operation. |
| 02:47.12 | hipitihop | kgoetz, according to ipcalcl it should |
| 02:47.23 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, I work at an observatory, so the classification is ok for me. |
| 02:47.36 | kgoetz | hipitihop: sorry to buger off, but i'm about to head to lunch |
| 02:47.56 | hipitihop | kgoetz, np |
| 02:48.09 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, I'm glad you tried my application. Please send bug reports and suggestions for changes to the address at the bottom of the orrery wiki page. |
| 02:48.46 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, - you do know how to change the category from Office, right? |
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| 02:52.27 | SpeedEvil | Infoport|food: http://www.mapug-astronomy.net/astrodesigns/MAPUG/Daytime.htm |
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| 02:54.08 | KenYoung | SpeedEvil, I worked in a planetarium when I was in highschool - roughly 1/2 of the calls we got were from adults who noticed that the moon was visible during the day, and thought that was a remarkable astronomical event. |
| 02:54.54 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: I kid of course about the daylight viewing...but I have been impressing ppl all day with it |
| 02:56.08 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, Thanks for the kind feedback. Please *do* send suggestions for improvements. That little program is the only excuse I have for buying a "developer's release" phone. |
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| 02:56.19 | Infoport|food | KenYoung, no how do I remove/reorganize those menus? or do I have to compile it with a new tag set? |
| 02:56.27 | SpeedEvil | KenYoung: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7489457.stm |
| 02:57.06 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, If you hit Fullscreen, the menus go away. |
| 02:57.30 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: suggestion-- a way to tell which way you face, perhaps by walking that way a bit (toggle-able so it doesnt swing around unintentionally or from drift) |
| 02:57.39 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, but there's no way to reo=-organize them, short of changing the code and recompiling. |
| 02:58.14 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: I meant the OM menus (like to get out of PIM, have to compile without Office tag?) |
| 02:58.29 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, That's a neat idea. I'll put it in the todo list. |
| 02:59.29 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, ALl you have to do to change that is edit the /usr/share/applications/orrery.desktop file. |
| 02:59.32 | gmaxwell | Is anyone aware of a highly optimized FFT library for Arm? |
| 03:00.13 | KenYoung | qmaxwell: Integer or floating point? |
| 03:00.52 | gmaxwell | Integer. |
| 03:01.03 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: I noticed in Display settings it mentions magnification for the two screens-- how do we magnify? |
| 03:01.14 | KenYoung | gmaxwell, Sorry, I don't know then. |
| 03:01.18 | Infoport|food | cool! I will change my .desktop file |
| 03:01.54 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, That's not magnification, that's the limiting magnitude of the faintest star displayed. |
| 03:02.39 | Infoport|food | KenYoung: in fact, I may reorganize several apps by their .desktop files, thanks for the tip (doh! and for explaining magnification-- that makes sense too) |
| 03:03.00 | Infoport|food | oops magnitude |
| 03:03.32 | KenYoung | Infoport|food, I do intend to add magnification eventually. |
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| 03:09.47 | hipitihop | SpeedEvil, ok added postrouting and forward as per yours but still can't ping the router @ 192.168.0.1 |
| 03:11.09 | linuxxr | hipitihop u have ubuntu? |
| 03:11.22 | hipitihop | linuxxr, indeed |
| 03:11.29 | hipitihop | 8.04 hardy |
| 03:11.57 | linuxxr | a 208.0? |
| 03:12.03 | linuxxr | 2008.8? |
| 03:12.24 | hipitihop | 2008.8 on SD |
| 03:12.26 | linuxxr | or qtopia? |
| 03:12.29 | linuxxr | ok |
| 03:12.38 | adingman | hipitihop, you get your networking sorted? |
| 03:13.09 | linuxxr | guess not |
| 03:13.19 | hipitihop | adingman, nope still trying. switched everything back to same subnet 192.168.0.x but still can't see past the desktop |
| 03:13.33 | adingman | hipitihop, where are you? |
| 03:13.55 | hipitihop | starting to think too much of everyone's time has been wasted and should maybe try and get wifi going on the neo |
| 03:14.03 | adingman | (ie, what continent) |
| 03:14.13 | hipitihop | that way I can ssh in and it should have no problem getting out |
| 03:14.31 | hipitihop | adingman, Aus |
| 03:14.35 | linuxxr | i got a script that works for me u wanna see it |
| 03:15.14 | adingman | Ahh. Work never takes me to that continent, so I can't follow that up with "buy me dinner and I'll fix your network" |
| 03:15.35 | hipitihop | adingman, :-) virtual beers are also ordinary |
| 03:16.15 | hipitihop | linuxxr, is that his one ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/36833/ |
| 03:16.22 | adingman | Well, the thing is I bet it's something easy that someone who knows how to do that already would be able to fix in 20 minutes tops if they had their hands on the system |
| 03:17.11 | hipitihop | adingman, I'm sure, but I have spent inordinate hours trying to gwet this to work with lots of people on this channel too |
| 03:17.26 | adingman | yeah, I gathered. |
| 03:17.55 | hipitihop | adingman, should I just ignore and try and get wifi up on the neo ? assuming it works on 2008.8 |
| 03:18.09 | adingman | The wifi stuff should just work, though you may need to get rid of the gateway line in your usb0 config. |
| 03:18.45 | hipitihop | on the neo side ? |
| 03:18.50 | adingman | yup |
| 03:19.15 | hipitihop | which means then one could not use the current working usb to ssh in |
| 03:19.27 | adingman | you'll pick up a default gateway from your wireless AP by dhcp, and two default gateways == badness. |
| 03:19.37 | linuxxr | http://pastebin.com/d3149f956 |
| 03:19.54 | adingman | other than that, in my 2008.8 build I can activate wifi from the GUI. |
| 03:20.48 | hipitihop | I'm using WEP, should that be ok ? |
| 03:20.52 | adingman | and the manual instructions for 2007.2 on the wiki worked just fine for me, too. |
| 03:21.09 | adingman | As a rule, WEP is easier than WPA/WPA2 |
| 03:21.30 | hipitihop | linuxxr, is that a Ubuntu script ? |
| 03:21.39 | linuxxr | slackware |
| 03:21.48 | adingman | though I can't say I've tried it, as both my home wifi and the AP I carry with me on trips are WPA2 |
| 03:22.09 | adingman | Might try at the office tomorrow over lunch. That one is WEP+VPN. |
| 03:22.16 | linuxxr | i dont know |
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| 03:24.30 | xmpp | me i flashed my wrt54gl yesterday with dd-wrt24sp1 standard and it's great |
| 03:25.14 | adingman | oh, and for anyone who cares, I'm seeing pretty decent battery life on my Freerunner with 2008.8+updates. I haven't plugged it in all day (about 14 hours), and it's still at about 75% |
| 03:26.03 | hipitihop | would love to do 2008.8 updates, that's why he has wrestled so long to get out beyond the desk |
| 03:26.04 | KenYoung | adingman, How much have you used it during that period (phone calls, etc)? |
| 03:26.24 | xmpp | good to know we can expect battery improvement along software updates |
| 03:26.42 | adingman | A couple short phone calls, a few SMS. Enough to know it hadn't suspended itself into a coma :) |
| 03:27.15 | xmpp | still quite inconvenient to answer calls while it's idle though |
| 03:27.29 | adingman | GSM on the whole time, wifi on for a couple hours in the morning and evening. |
| 03:27.56 | xmpp | i agree suspend to coma is quite an annoying feature |
| 03:28.14 | adingman | bluetooth off 'cause my car is valet parked off someplace in the bowels of the hotel so I've got nothing to connect it to anyway. |
| 03:28.55 | adingman | xmpp, it would be nice if the wakeup-to-answer process were a bit faster. |
| 03:30.51 | xmpp | anyway i'm still on 2007.2 because of bad comments about 2008.8 i hope it gets better soon enough |
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| 03:31.47 | KenYoung | xmpp, 2008.8 is initially very frustrating, but I think most people find it grows on them. |
| 03:31.58 | Infoport|food | xmpp DD-WRT is pretty nice, although I'm concerned about Brainslayer going commercial (and buildable srcs scarce) |
| 03:32.17 | adingman | I finally bit the bullet and moved because of trac #1783. I'm mostly happy. |
| 03:32.34 | adingman | Though I still can't get the illume config menu (the wrench) to show up. |
| 03:33.45 | adingman | Now that I've got the keyboard fixed, I'm otherwise happy. |
| 03:34.07 | adingman | Though I might have to file another SMS related trac... I can recieve, which is good, but I can't send. |
| 03:35.38 | xmpp | Infoport|food: i don't like that proprietary move either but i still though it was a better choice than Tomato or other at the moment |
| 03:36.38 | xmpp | i'm in the process of tuning my network the best i can considering my freerunner, do you have any suggestions? |
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| 03:37.17 | xmpp | i wanted the vpn version of dd-wrt but some said they bricked their wrt54gl with it |
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| 03:41.49 | hipitihop | xmpp, open-wrt is releasing latest build end of the month including nice webui see site for details |
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| 03:50.10 | daMaestro | got his spares kit today |
| 03:50.18 | daMaestro | hopefully, that means I can get this damn thing to boot again |
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| 03:57.02 | RyanPrior | Does the OpenMoko device work with Sprint service? |
| 03:57.21 | RyanPrior | That is, Neo 1973 or FreeRunner running OpenMoko. |
| 03:57.29 | remme | RyanPrior: nope, only gsm |
| 03:57.57 | RyanPrior | Can you get a higher SLA with Spring to get GSM? |
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| 03:58.04 | RyanPrior | *sprint |
| 03:58.04 | daMaestro | RyanPrior, sprint is CDMA tech, so no |
| 03:58.08 | feydreva | hey |
| 03:58.23 | feydreva | small question : on the Daily Build, is openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080813-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 the ASU ? |
| 03:58.33 | daMaestro | feydreva, yes |
| 03:58.36 | feydreva | ok thx :) |
| 03:58.41 | RyanPrior | Alright, thanks. I hear that only AT&T and Cingulair offer GSM in the US - is that accurate? |
| 03:58.50 | Infoport|food | RyanPrior: in the US, I beleive that we are limited to AT&T or T-Mobile (see which covers you best) |
| 03:58.52 | daMaestro | at&t is cingular |
| 03:59.02 | daMaestro | see Infoport|food's comments |
| 03:59.37 | RyanPrior | Ah, T-Mobile, not Cingulair. I do remember AT&T swallowing them now, |
| 03:59.53 | Infoport|food | feydreva: NO! it is not ASU-- it is the Aug 11 daily build of OM2007 |
| 03:59.58 | undrwater | a pretty sloppy swallow at that :P |
| 04:00.09 | Infoport|food | feydreva: I mean Aug 13 |
| 04:00.15 | daMaestro | lol |
| 04:00.19 | feydreva | Infoport|food, so wich one is the ASU ? |
| 04:00.29 | daMaestro | feydreva, it is what you are thinking is the ASU |
| 04:00.34 | undrwater | Infoport|food: so devel of 2007 continues... |
| 04:00.41 | KenYoung | Is there any way to configure the 2008.8 distribution to power down the backlight after, say 60 seconds, and go into suspend at a later time? |
| 04:00.41 | RyanPrior | Thanks for the info. If Google's Android project scares up any support from non-GSM carriers, then it's going to be difficult to choose between paying more for a different carrier or using a GPL'd phone software stack. |
| 04:00.51 | feydreva | daMaestro, Infoport i m lokking for 2008.8/ASU |
| 04:01.18 | undrwater | RyanPrior: cool thing about gsm is you get choice... |
| 04:01.29 | daMaestro | feydreva, ASU stands for april software update |
| 04:01.38 | undrwater | april / august |
| 04:01.39 | Infoport | feydreva: the ASU build is here (no daily build) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Flash_Om_2008.8_images |
| 04:01.44 | feydreva | the one I download the 8 of august in http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ but the new one... |
| 04:01.48 | SpeedEvil | ~ASU |
| 04:01.49 | apt | somebody said asu was the April Software Update, an release name for a OpenMoko distribution. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Feature_Plan. |
| 04:02.04 | feydreva | daMaestro, ASU stand for April/August Suoftware update |
| 04:02.28 | RyanPrior | undrwater: Unless T-Mobile or AT&T build a tower near where I live, I won't be able to use their service except when I'm at work, so I'll be paying more for less service. |
| 04:02.37 | daMaestro | haha, i like that |
| 04:02.42 | Infoport | feydreva: directory here has tar'ed version too http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ |
| 04:02.50 | feydreva | so there is no Daily build of ASU :/ |
| 04:02.53 | Infoport | (same dir as wiki lists) |
| 04:02.57 | feydreva | and not ta lot of upgrades... |
| 04:03.11 | undrwater | feydreva: as of last night there were no upgrades |
| 04:03.36 | feydreva | k |
| 04:03.42 | Infoport | feydreva: unfortunately no, and there aren't binary updates yet (you would have to manually update from software srcs) |
| 04:04.13 | Infoport | feydreva: it *is* neat though, but I put it on SD card and kept OM2007 too |
| 04:04.19 | feydreva | Infoport, ok thx.. :) jsut I wnateds to know :) I wanted to see a newer version of 2008.8 , that s all :) |
| 04:04.41 | feydreva | I already flashed with 2008.8 few days ago :) |
| 04:04.52 | daMaestro | downloads the 2008.8 image |
| 04:05.06 | daMaestro | can't believe he already had a battery crap out on him |
| 04:06.11 | Infoport | feydreva: the reason I heard for no binaries is that official releases of updates need to be tested hard, and 2008.8 is too new to do it quickly and still develop/improve |
| 04:06.48 | feydreva | ok :) |
| 04:07.09 | feydreva | Good with me :) i was just hoping to see new things :) |
| 04:07.25 | feydreva | my GPS still barely works, that s sucks... |
| 04:07.43 | feydreva | even witht he new kernel, no SD, no SIM, nowifi enable |
| 04:08.20 | hipitihop | adingman, FYI, finally got networking going by running linuxxr's script and placing external actual DNS address into resolv.conf |
| 04:08.39 | adingman | cool |
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| 04:08.54 | rooly|away | booya rooly time |
| 04:09.11 | adingman | didn't see the script, but linuxxr seemed to understand the problem, so it makes sense that it works. |
| 04:09.13 | Infoport | feydreva: enable wifi under Settings |
| 04:09.43 | hipitihop | adingman, you said you have 2008.8 + updates. To get to same level do I just just opkg update && opkg ugrade ? or the 2008.8 installer UI ? |
| 04:09.51 | feydreva | Infoport, I m talking wabout the GPS that doesn;t work a lot :/ my wifi is fine :) |
| 04:11.27 | Infoport | cheap GPS antenna, boosts for me ~20 "points" $8.31 no S&H http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 |
| 04:11.54 | Infoport | (dbm? however the gain is measured) |
| 04:12.03 | Infoport | how ever is it measured |
| 04:12.37 | Infoport | blah, cant type well, must eat |
| 04:12.51 | adingman | hipitihop, 2008.8ish build, really |
| 04:12.53 | linuxxr | i think its a temp fix but not the solution |
| 04:12.58 | *** part/#openmoko rooly|away (n=chris@64.92.130.34) |
| 04:13.34 | linuxxr | that script came from |
| 04:13.41 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.21 | adingman | hipitihop, openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 plus opkg upgrade daily since. |
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| 04:20.29 | hipitihop | adingman, hmm that's not the same as the stock 2008.8 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 04:22.09 | linuxxr | hipitihop what youe phone desktop look like? |
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| 04:26.57 | undrwater | linuxxr: is he running deb? |
| 04:27.52 | Infoport | hipitihop, I think adingman is running yet another Distribution, the qtopia one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 04:28.03 | linuxxr | who? |
| 04:28.07 | linuxxr | me |
| 04:28.09 | linuxxr | no |
| 04:28.13 | undrwater | hipitihop: |
| 04:28.20 | linuxxr | ubuntu |
| 04:28.30 | undrwater | no shiznit? |
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| 04:31.34 | linuxxr | i guess its close to debian |
| 04:31.45 | linuxxr | but not very |
| 04:32.03 | linuxxr | thats like saying suse is slackware |
| 04:33.44 | undrwater | c'mon...ubuntu can't hide its debian roots...but suse? |
| 04:34.08 | undrwater | one could never guess suse has slackware roots |
| 04:34.56 | CVirus | binary distros all suck |
| 04:35.03 | CVirus | binary-based* |
| 04:35.25 | linuxxr | i thinks slack is THE ROOT |
| 04:35.31 | CVirus | LOL |
| 04:35.42 | undrwater | the root is on fire |
| 04:35.47 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 04:35.53 | linuxxr | that cant be |
| 04:36.46 | undrwater | we don't need no compiler, let the mothafucka....hmmm...looking for a clever twist here |
| 04:37.03 | CVirus | LOL |
| 04:37.48 | undrwater | something about dependency hell...but one word and rhymes with "burn" |
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| 04:39.52 | Infoport | undrwater: churn? |
| 04:40.01 | CVirus | hahaha |
| 04:40.05 | daMaestro | omg wowzers |
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| 04:40.16 | undrwater | i was thinking churn... |
| 04:40.17 | daMaestro | sexy eye candy polish with the 2008.8 release |
| 04:40.28 | undrwater | but somehow doesn't quite make it... |
| 04:41.36 | Infoport | for the next verse, maybe rhyme with Slurm (soft drink from Futurama...geeky enough reference or not?) |
| 04:42.02 | Infoport | maybe too much of a stretch |
| 04:43.02 | undrwater | works for me |
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| 04:48.29 | undrwater | we don't need no water use some muthafukin slurm? |
| 04:49.44 | Guilt | queen juice? |
| 04:49.50 | Guilt | heh heh ;) |
| 04:50.04 | hipitihop | undrwater, sorry here now. |
| 04:50.54 | adingman | Infoport: might not be 2008.8, but it's not QTopia. I'ved tried that one, but this isn't it. |
| 04:51.13 | undrwater | hipitihop: just awed at your ubuntu neo |
| 04:51.19 | undrwater | neubuntu? |
| 04:51.30 | Guilt | nebuntu |
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| 04:51.41 | undrwater | ombuntu |
| 04:51.48 | Guilt | ficbuntu |
| 04:52.02 | Guilt | nah. freebuntu |
| 04:52.03 | undrwater | ubuntom |
| 04:52.03 | Guilt | :-D |
| 04:52.10 | hipitihop | why awed ? |
| 04:52.31 | undrwater | i guess 'cause it's different from what everyone else is struggling with |
| 04:52.35 | Guilt | that was a polite word |
| 04:52.49 | Guilt | undrwater: the only thing i struggle with is battery |
| 04:53.10 | undrwater | Guilt: and the other phone you're making calls with ;) |
| 04:53.19 | Guilt | it's like those lg phones out there do 30 hours on a 800mah, and we do like 7 hours with a 1200 mah |
| 04:53.24 | kgoetz | ubuntu neo? |
| 04:53.41 | Guilt | something is WRONG with us. :-) |
| 04:54.16 | undrwater | hipitihop: what WM? |
| 04:54.17 | Guilt | if only fic were open about what the issue is. |
| 04:54.30 | undrwater | is it fic or OM? |
| 04:54.38 | Guilt | fic. they make the phone |
| 04:54.46 | Guilt | ;p and OM, coz they market and sell it. |
| 04:55.16 | undrwater | but OM (and community) devel the software that controls it... |
| 04:55.18 | Guilt | if there was a defect (capacitor/what not) we could at least fix it. |
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| 04:55.34 | Guilt | it's not just the software, undrwater ... |
| 04:55.35 | hipitihop | undrwater, you mean window manager ? if so GNOME |
| 04:55.41 | Guilt | it could be worse |
| 04:56.02 | Guilt | you can't fix everything with software. |
| 04:56.06 | Guilt | that's a kludge |
| 04:56.09 | undrwater | hipitihop: yeah...wow...how does it run? |
| 04:56.20 | undrwater | Guilt: i suppose...that's beyond my ken |
| 04:56.29 | Guilt | we have a kludgy kernel for gps, for instance :-) |
| 04:56.52 | Guilt | that doesnt mean people cant go ahead and solder/fix their mokos |
| 04:56.53 | hipitihop | undrwater, do you think I'm running it on the neo ? |
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| 04:58.18 | undrwater | hipitihop: that was the impression i got, yes |
| 04:58.28 | Infoport | it will ride up with wear |
| 04:59.24 | linuxxr | how doe s i umount the sd card? |
| 04:59.32 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.45 | hipitihop | undrwater, sorry to pop your bubble. Ubuntu desktop/laptop |
| 04:59.48 | cjb | linuxxr: umount /media/card |
| 05:00.34 | linuxxr | device is busy |
| 05:00.52 | undrwater | linuxxr: i think you can try umount -l |
| 05:00.59 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 05:01.39 | Infoport | does the tag "GTK" cause apps to be placed under Applications? (OM2007) |
| 05:01.41 | linuxxr | im such a newb |
| 05:05.39 | adingman | linuxxr, undrwater : umount -l has dome distinct dangers! |
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| 05:06.32 | Infoport | linuxxr: if you are *in* the directory, it will be "busy" even if you are not doing anything (like if your ssh command line is sitting there) |
| 05:06.45 | adingman | it doesn't close existing, open file handles, so it's still not safe to remove the storage device or do things like fsck to it. |
| 05:07.00 | adingman | use fuser -m to find the processes using the filesystem. |
| 05:07.18 | adingman | And Inforport is right to look at your current working dir - it's an easy mistake to make. |
| 05:07.29 | raster | bling |
| 05:07.45 | dingman | wonders why he typed that username |
| 05:08.12 | Infoport | yeah, I learn from my mistakes :-D |
| 05:08.19 | linuxxr | it always says its busy |
| 05:08.20 | undrwater | dingman: thanks for correcting me...i've used -l without problems before...but i can see why you don't recommend it |
| 05:08.32 | linuxxr | its a new 2gig card |
| 05:08.58 | dingman | undrwater, I pretty much only think it's a good idea if you've got a stale mount to a network file system where the server disappeared. |
| 05:09.01 | linuxxr | so the better switch is? |
| 05:09.21 | dingman | linuxxr, not a switch to umount. |
| 05:09.40 | dingman | use the 'fuser' tool to find out why the filesystem is busy, and make it not busy anymore. |
| 05:10.12 | undrwater | linuxxr: or double check that one of your logins is not actively "in" the directory |
| 05:10.13 | dingman | fuser -m /mount/point/ |
| 05:11.12 | dingman | that will tell you which processes are using the filesystem. Then you can either quit those programs or make them stop using the files in question. |
| 05:11.23 | linuxxr | i get a bunch of 4 didget numbers an such |
| 05:11.53 | Infoport | does anybody know which tags make Contacts (OM2007) show up in Applications menu? |
| 05:11.56 | linuxxr | 40 sets |
| 05:12.03 | dingman | that they're all 4-digit is coincidence, but they are process IDs |
| 05:12.22 | linuxxr | how do i kill |
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| 05:17.50 | undrwater | linuxxr: what do you want to kill? |
| 05:18.39 | linuxxr | ding sain to kill those p processes |
| 05:21.25 | linuxxr | im trying to put 2008.8 on the sdcard but it wont fdisk |
| 05:21.48 | linuxxr | operator malfunction |
| 05:22.08 | dbmoodb | hi ah has one dropped their stylus ... i did and its not working (the led / laser) |
| 05:22.12 | dbmoodb | is it just the screen ? |
| 05:22.29 | dbmoodb | * - spring |
| 05:22.59 | linuxxr | either lights work? |
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| 05:23.06 | dbmoodb | nar |
| 05:23.13 | kd8ikt | i tore mine open weeks ago and now just use the bottom half |
| 05:23.26 | hipitihop | dbmoodb, I never dropped it but took looked inside at the batteries and could not get it to work again until cleaned and reseated the batteries |
| 05:23.27 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: ?? tore ? |
| 05:23.38 | dingman | You could add a -k to kill all the processes it finds, but it might kill something you didn't mean to |
| 05:23.38 | dingman | excellent chance that you'll log yourself out. |
| 05:23.40 | dbmoodb | ok thank you |
| 05:23.45 | kd8ikt | yeah the lil circuit module is around here somewhere |
| 05:24.13 | dingman | for p in $(fuser -m /home/ 2>/dev/null | sed -r -e 's/[^0-9 ]//g' -e 's/[[:space:]]+/ /g') ; do readlink /proc/$p/exe ; done |
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| 05:28.57 | Infoport | dbmoodb here is a similar replacement $3.79 no S&H http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 and they also sell a GSP fpr $8.31 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8859 |
| 05:29.44 | Infoport | I bought the GPS antenna (but not the cheap stylus) |
| 05:30.29 | Infoport | a GPS *antenna* for $8.31 (a GPS for $8.31 is a map "You are here X") |
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| 05:31.16 | Infoport | on a tiny dot, Earth seen from space |
| 05:32.14 | hipitihop | sorry if this has been asked before, are there any updates for 2008.8 do I need to update feeds or sources ? |
| 05:34.15 | linuxxr | did u have to unmount your sdcard first? |
| 05:35.09 | linuxxr | the wiki says nothing about that |
| 05:38.55 | dingman | linuxxr, I would *expect* fdisk to work without errors on a mounted device, but odd things might happen later. |
| 05:39.22 | dingman | a slightly smarter fdisk might just refuse |
| 05:42.18 | hipitihop | dingman, mine worked until 'w' and then failed. someone told me to reboot the neo and that seemed to work but can't remember the exact steps ;-( |
| 05:43.03 | linuxxr | fdisk: WARNING: rereading partition table failed, kernel still uses old table: Device or resource busy |
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| 05:44.18 | linuxxr | might be qtopia |
| 05:44.38 | hipitihop | linuxxr, yip that's the error I got an dI did my sd prep from qtopia like you |
| 05:45.08 | linuxxr | so how to get around it? |
| 05:45.33 | linuxxr | i rebooted the freerunner |
| 05:48.09 | dingman | linuxxr, that's basically a noise error |
| 05:48.23 | linuxxr | also says that the partitions are defined |
| 05:48.25 | dingman | there's a command 'partprobe' that's every bit as good as a reboot. |
| 05:48.42 | dingman | and way faster |
| 05:50.12 | linuxxr | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes |
| 05:50.12 | linuxxr | 16 heads, 15 sectors/track, 16384 cylinders |
| 05:50.13 | linuxxr | Units = cylinders of 240 * 512 = 122880 bytes |
| 05:50.13 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.13 | linuxxr | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 66 7912+ 83 Linux |
| 05:50.13 | linuxxr | /dev/mmcblk0p2 67 983 110040 83 Linux |
| 05:50.17 | linuxxr | o nos |
| 05:50.18 | kd8ikt | is the card being automounted at boot? |
| 05:50.39 | linuxxr | that looks good ? |
| 05:50.47 | linuxxr | prolly |
| 05:50.57 | linuxxr | qtopia |
| 05:51.21 | Torikun1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.43 | dingman | linuxxr, mine automounts the first partition at boot |
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| 05:53.22 | kd8ikt | Torikun1: dyndns :P |
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| 05:53.26 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 05:53.27 | Torikun1 | does it come up |
| 05:53.30 | kd8ikt | they dont support ipv6 |
| 05:53.37 | kd8ikt | no |
| 05:53.42 | Torikun1 | ty |
| 05:53.43 | dingman | Torikun1, slow spin. |
| 05:53.54 | kd8ikt | is your ip 69.42.18.131 |
| 05:54.50 | kd8ikt | PING rusher.webhop.org (69.42.18.131) 100% pkt loss |
| 05:54.56 | hipitihop | Torikun1, can't get through. You might find this usefull http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
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| 05:55.56 | Torikun1 | dam |
| 05:56.11 | Torikun1 | anyone know how to make wordpress go to port 69 |
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| 05:57.04 | kd8ikt | i use a mix of freedns.afraid.org /hurricane eletric ipv6 broker |
| 05:57.27 | kd8ikt | loove ipv6 |
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| 06:00.13 | hipitihop | are there any update feeds or procedure for 2008.8 opkg update && opkg upgrade does nothing |
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| 06:01.51 | rwhitby | hipitihop: there are no updates yet |
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| 06:04.39 | hipitihop | dingman, so your stack is some mystery combo which is not the qtopia and not 2008.8 because you said you have been doing updates |
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| 06:05.28 | dingman | openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 from buildhost on the 11th |
| 06:06.25 | dingman | not the distro identified as QTopia on the wiki, which one can download from Troll Tech. |
| 06:06.26 | hipitihop | dingman, you have run the pure qtopia ? |
| 06:06.35 | dingman | yes |
| 06:06.42 | hipitihop | fso ? |
| 06:06.52 | ieatlint | heh, wrote an application in pygtk... uses 9.3mb of ram... ported it to gtk in c, uses 4.7mb ... |
| 06:06.56 | ieatlint | that's a scary difference |
| 06:07.18 | kd8ikt | fso is neat but mokomake is failing to fetch openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/illume-theme-freesmartphone_git.bb |
| 06:07.37 | dingman | hipitihop, it's simillar to FSO in appearance |
| 06:07.38 | kd8ikt | nice ieatlint |
| 06:07.51 | hipitihop | but has the qtopia apps ? |
| 06:08.05 | hipitihop | iow, running qtopia on x11 |
| 06:08.27 | dingman | yes. That's what the -qtopia-x11 in the image name means :) |
| 06:08.38 | hipitihop | doh |
| 06:08.53 | hipitihop | call in and out ? |
| 06:09.00 | dingman | yes |
| 06:09.06 | ieatlint | fso has a localisation issue though, which i suppose is pretty funny considering it's written by germans |
| 06:09.13 | ieatlint | no utf-8 support... |
| 06:09.33 | hipitihop | dingman, have you run the 2008.8 also ? |
| 06:09.58 | kd8ikt | probably why i'm still sitting here on OM2007.2 |
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| 06:10.05 | dingman | no, but I ran the builds the wiki used to identify as pre-2008.8 |
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| 06:10.31 | dingman | and the descriptions people give of the immages, keyboard, apps, etc match what I see on my phone. |
| 06:10.54 | dingman | so I think it's part of the same general development direction.. |
| 06:11.24 | hipitihop | dingman, but improved in some ways like battery |
| 06:11.31 | dingman | seems to be |
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| 06:20.11 | kd8ikt | ok that was weird it wokeup from me touching the screen |
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| 06:24.16 | hipitihop | so what is the trick to get wireless going on 2008.8 ? I added 'wireless_ssid=' and 'wireless_key' to wlan0 section in neo interfaces and restarted service but get errors no such device |
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| 06:25.43 | hipitihop | hmm, probably need to add it to eth0 |
| 06:26.15 | dingman | most likely |
| 06:26.25 | dingman | I used wpasuplicant |
| 06:26.33 | dingman | which can do wep, too |
| 06:27.24 | hipitihop | dingman, is there a link to seting up wpasuplicant |
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| 06:27.46 | dingman | under the manual wireless stuff |
| 06:28.05 | dingman | but you might need the wpasuplicant man page to find the directions for a WEP network. |
| 06:28.15 | dingman | I think the wiki just tells you how to use it for WPA |
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| 06:28.52 | hipitihop | is wpasuplicant needed for it to work ? |
| 06:32.17 | Infoport | anybody know which tags would be making Contacts, Dates, Dialer show up in the Applications menu in OM2007 |
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| 06:41.21 | Infoport | hmm... or can we NOT move the default stock apps in the menues? |
| 06:41.25 | Infoport | menus |
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| 06:43.40 | dingman | hipitihop, shouldn't *need* wpasupplicant, just that method is closest to what worked for me. |
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| 06:52.52 | undrwater | lpotter mentions the sync agent for syncing QT with outlook (never!)...wanted to test it...but can't find it...anyone have any clues? |
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| 06:57.00 | hipitihop | gets wifi going on 2008.8, claps himself |
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| 06:58.00 | doc|home | I'd go to the doctor if you gave yourself the clap |
| 06:58.10 | hipitihop | lol |
| 06:59.09 | hipitihop | hmm, is it normal for the installer on 2008.8 to sit forever on 'installing' after download ? |
| 06:59.40 | hipitihop | ignore that, I'm not patient enough |
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| 07:13.55 | Infoport | hipitihop: I might have to get your advice...I just quit messing with my 2008.8 wifi after trying to enter the pw sooo many times |
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| 07:14.33 | hipitihop | Infoport, happy to help whatever I can, hardly an expert though |
| 07:15.12 | hipitihop | Infoport, are you using wep ? |
| 07:15.38 | Infoport | hipitihop: did you do your setup in wpasupplicant.conf, with wpa2? |
| 07:15.51 | Infoport | hipitihop, no I've been using wpa2 |
| 07:16.52 | Infoport | hipitihop: it somewhat worked once in OM2007, but maybe usb0/default route were interfering other times? |
| 07:17.10 | hipitihop | Infoport, no I didn't I simply added wireless_ssid & wireless_key under eth0 then ifup eth0 |
| 07:17.41 | Infoport | hipitihop: did you do anything to take down usb0? |
| 07:18.35 | hipitihop | yes did ifdown usb0, had to manually update resolv.conf after eth0 came up to get to my nameserver |
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| 07:19.28 | Infoport | hipitihop: oh well, I'll try more later...that is good to know about usb0 etc... |
| 07:19.51 | Infoport | I think I'm going to see it the city lights keep me from making out constellations with orrery |
| 07:20.28 | hipitihop | Infoport, I'm now going to prep another SD and try dignman jffs2 |
| 07:20.52 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:22.38 | Infoport | hipitihop: cool! I think at some point I am going to prep my other SD card for qtopia and SHR (when released) |
| 07:24.02 | hipitihop | Infoport, have qtopia flashed |
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| 07:26.45 | Infoport | sweet... |
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| 07:41.48 | ieatlint | cross compiling is thoroughly annoying |
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| 07:49.30 | lpotter | indeed |
| 07:49.46 | lpotter | especially with autoconf stuff |
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| 07:53.41 | kd8ikt | having problems ieatlint |
| 07:53.55 | ieatlint | nah, i got it working |
| 08:01.06 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, you bored? |
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| 08:06.40 | opendeep | How do I create a src .ipk, I am able to create ipk for binary and doc only. |
| 08:08.29 | ieatlint | well, none of the distros come with gcc and header files... |
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| 08:08.46 | ieatlint | so what would you do with a src ipk? |
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| 08:21.07 | kd8ikt | a lil bit |
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| 08:24.44 | kd8ikt | dunno what to do so i'm ending up doing nothing |
| 08:26.15 | kd8ikt | is it just me or does kismet not know the difference between wep and wpa |
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| 08:40.40 | froksen | How is the stability of the Neo Freerunner after installing ASU? |
| 08:40.51 | froksen | Will it still crash from time to time? |
| 08:42.01 | KenSentMe | I am running ASU and can't get wifi running. Should run by default? In the settings menu the WiFi status is 'unknown', even when disconnected from usb. |
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| 08:43.21 | hipitihop | I have flashed Qtopia runing fine, just completed a 'pkg update' and 'opkg upgrade' lots of ugrades etc, anything I should know or do before I reboot the FR ? |
| 08:46.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03heikki.paajanen 07gsmd2 * rf7d44f207602 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Started updating FSO APIs |
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| 08:49.39 | hari | KenSentMe, it works for me after tweaking the interfaces configuration and supplying a wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 08:50.42 | KenSentMe | hari, but it doesnt work with the usb connected, right? |
| 08:50.51 | hari | it does |
| 08:51.05 | hari | but i was not able to set up wifi from the settings screen on 2008.8 |
| 08:51.12 | KenSentMe | ah, ok |
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| 08:58.22 | KenSentMe | hari, which interface did you use in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:58.37 | hari | eth0 |
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| 09:02.13 | beni_ | mokomoko |
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| 09:05.48 | hipitihop | A lesson in what *not* to do, run opkg update && opkg upgrade on the qtopia image. Boots to blank screen with blinking cursor. Can ssh into it but that's it |
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| 09:08.17 | hipitihop | is my update/upgrade of interest to anyone before I blow away the cli log |
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| 09:12.36 | hipitihop | does someone have a link to build host where I can download same jffs as dingman ? |
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| 09:14.42 | hipitihop | dingman, still there ? |
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| 09:20.06 | cga | mmontour, Dave Infoport the script it's finished and working as i intended. wanna test? |
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| 09:27.50 | Infoport | cga: hey just came back to PC. sure! tell me where it is |
| 09:28.24 | Zorkman | cga: might i inquire what kind of script you mean? |
| 09:29.09 | cga | hi Infoport Zorkman . Zorkman script to backup neos' rootfs uboot kernel ad such |
| 09:29.59 | Zorkman | nice sure i want to try (if the instructions are noob-proof ;)) |
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| 09:30.25 | cga | Zorkman, they are :P |
| 09:30.41 | Zorkman | well then, "bring it on" :) |
| 09:31.04 | Zorkman | but i will need to boot into os from SD probably, no? |
| 09:31.20 | cga | here it is: http://pastey.net/93678 (when tested i'll upload on wiki) |
| 09:31.31 | cga | Zorkman, boot in either NOR or NAND |
| 09:31.49 | cga | it uses dfu-util |
| 09:31.55 | Zorkman | ok, i will, but currently i'm working with solidworks so i need to be on windows |
| 09:32.09 | Zorkman | will try when i boot to linux (hopefully one of these days :() |
| 09:32.11 | cga | well, test it when you are ready |
| 09:32.18 | cga | it works 100% sure |
| 09:32.27 | Zorkman | i will, it looks great! |
| 09:32.28 | cga | i just want to make sure with others |
| 09:32.47 | Infoport | cga: "finished" is just a lazy state of mind ;-) I've thought of optional switches... (like -k for kernel -r for rootfs, -u uboot, default all) |
| 09:33.02 | cga | eh eh |
| 09:33.25 | cga | well let's say that i'm happy about it since its exactely as i tought it :P |
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| 09:35.43 | Infoport | cga: I *do *NOT* mean to belittle it-- I just see opportunities to make it better than using the single backup full-line commands for even ONE section (like if you have only changed rootfs) |
| 09:36.03 | cga | true =) |
| 09:36.09 | cga | i like the idea |
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| 09:36.34 | Infoport | cga: it looks perfect to me (gotta read before I run), although I thought you wanted "other" to say something like Beware, or Do Not Touch? |
| 09:36.39 | cga | but now i need to work... (i'm at the office and i haven't done nothign yet... i finished the script with a collegue) |
| 09:36.51 | cga | Infoport, done =) |
| 09:37.03 | cga | i'm refinig that kind of things right now |
| 09:37.40 | Infoport | cga: or maybe, :your mouse is gonna HATE you..." :-P |
| 09:37.47 | cga | lol |
| 09:38.03 | hipitihop | anyone know which uImage.bin I need for latest buildhost rootfs ? |
| 09:38.50 | hipitihop | I want to setup this one http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 09:38.52 | cga | ok see you later folks... time to work |
| 09:39.06 | Zorkman | bye |
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| 09:39.29 | Infoport | cga: I'll post some thoughts here, and you can read the log later... |
| 09:39.36 | hipitihop | Zorkman, what are you running at the moment on your FR ? |
| 09:39.42 | Zorkman | 2007.2 |
| 09:39.48 | hipitihop | Infoport, ? |
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| 09:40.46 | Infoport | hipitihop: currently OM2007 |
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| 09:41.13 | Zorkman | hipitihop: you'll probably want to use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 09:41.47 | hipitihop | Zorkman, will give it a shot |
| 09:41.51 | hipitihop | thanks |
| 09:41.56 | Zorkman | np |
| 09:44.46 | hipitihop | I managed to trash my flashed qtopia doing opkg update/upgrade :-( so preping naother SD card for the latest builds, apparently dingman has had some joy including improved battery |
| 09:48.45 | hipitihop | looks like the updates loaded some x11/zserver stuff. Just sits @ black screen with blinking cursor. But boots enough to support ssh <shrug> |
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| 09:53.09 | RADIO_TIME | While you are on chat LISTEN RADIO TIME http://radiotime.altervista.org/ Beautyful Music Free! We are waiting for You! |
| 09:53.51 | Infoport | cga, Zorkman, Dave: it seems to "just work" :-D The backups *look* to be the right size, although rootfs is still going. I guess I should mount that jffs2 file to check it too... but the script seems to work as intendedl |
| 09:54.25 | Infoport | cga, Zorkman, Dave: I'll try some while *not* in the dir for dfu-util too, etc |
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| 09:56.04 | niap | how can i delete letters on the om2008.8 keyboard? cant find backspace |
| 09:56.37 | KenSentMe | niap, slide left on the keyboard |
| 09:57.48 | niap | ah kay |
| 09:58.52 | hipitihop | is downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 10:01.24 | niap | and how do i disable T9? |
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| 10:01.59 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 10:02.31 | telmich | good morning |
| 10:02.47 | PBeck | hello telmich |
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| 10:04.49 | hipitihop-away | PBeck, sounds slav |
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| 10:05.20 | SpeedEvil | http://feeds.theonion.com/~r/theonion/weekly/~3/362845271/apple_pulls_1_000_iphone_app |
| 10:05.26 | PBeck | hipitihop-away: i dont know, i can say servus, too :) |
| 10:06.22 | hipitihop-away | PBeck, don't know that one... In a previous life I was born in the Czech republic |
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| 10:06.54 | PBeck | hehe :) |
| 10:10.27 | hipitihop-away | sighs, om buildhost mus tbe pretty busy, only getting 3-5k/sec on the download |
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| 10:12.38 | SpeedEvil | hipitihop-away: over GPRS? |
| 10:13.17 | hipitihop-away | SpeedEvil, no broadband |
| 10:14.12 | hipitihop-away | getting about 10k/sec now |
| 10:15.07 | kd8ikt | need to have torrents |
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| 10:18.37 | SpeedEvil | That's the root of the problem. |
| 10:19.01 | SpeedEvil | Someone is downloading in high definition all of the 2008 olympics womens gymnastics coverage on the server. |
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| 10:20.50 | SpeedEvil | A widely deployed p2p solution that supported archives that change over time would be lovely. |
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| 10:30.08 | kd8ikt | SpeedEvil: like a distributed rsync? |
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| 10:32.41 | XorA | ah good news from the european court today |
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| 10:33.39 | rwhitby | anyone got a version of etk which builds? my fso build of org.oe.dev from monotone.oe.org fails in do_configure |
| 10:34.03 | rwhitby | etk-0.1.0.042+cvs20080802 |
| 10:34.26 | beni_ | someone familiar with openssl here? |
| 10:34.28 | beni_ | how to encrypt some string with openssl and rsa key? |
| 10:34.30 | beni_ | cant find something ion the net |
| 10:35.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * rbf1e964f075f 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for Pyrex |
| 10:35.48 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc32d27393ff0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for jamvm-1.5.1 |
| 10:35.48 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * r08fad8d981c0 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for libtool |
| 10:35.49 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9ac1a9af9ef 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksum] Add checksum for midori-0.0.17 |
| 10:35.52 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03ich 07org.openmoko.dev * r93f9f74b1054 10/conf/checksums.ini: [checksums] Add my sums for scowl |
| 10:35.59 | lindi- | beni_: why not use gnupg? |
| 10:36.24 | beni_ | can that deal with rsa keys generated by openssl? |
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| 10:36.42 | lindi- | not sure |
| 10:36.46 | beni_ | ie passing the keyfile via commandline? |
| 10:37.20 | beni_ | i need sometinhg like "encrypt -m 'teststring' -k '/path/to/pubkey' > encrypted.txt" |
| 10:37.58 | ike | g the keyfile via commandline? |
| 10:38.38 | beni_ | yes. |
| 10:38.49 | beni_ | thats why i dont want to use gpg |
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| 10:40.22 | rwhitby | Hmm - openssl 'enc' command doesn't seem to take a key, just a passphrase |
| 10:40.44 | beni_ | rwhitby: openssl enc is symmetric chipher. |
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| 10:42.16 | rwhitby | thing is that usually the keys are only used to negotiate a session key, not to encrypt stuff directly |
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| 10:43.33 | rwhitby | beni_: openssl rsautl |
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| 10:52.44 | Infoport | cga, Zorkman, Dave: the rootfs is the right size-- that backup script look great! haven't *really* tested the backup files themselves, but that would be dfu-util |
| 10:53.12 | Infoport | ouch! USA loses to Nigeria 1-2 in football |
| 10:53.58 | Infoport | US team had some really good chances, and almost tied it with a late kick that bounced off the crossbar. :-( |
| 10:55.38 | XorA | there is no almost in football :-) |
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| 10:56.42 | rwhitby | XorA: so how do we track down and replicate these build errors? |
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| 10:57.03 | PBeck | Infoport: and germany? Where is germany? :p |
| 10:57.14 | rwhitby | The first one I have is etk building fso using org.oe.dev from git.oe.org, distro angstrom-2008.1 |
| 10:57.18 | XorA | rwhitby: no idea, I just did an aptitude update and now a bitbake openmoko-devel-image and the build seems to be progressing ok |
| 10:57.39 | XorA | rwhitby: are you on amd64? |
| 10:58.00 | rwhitby | XorA: ok, let's replicate that environment then - you're on Debian Lenny? |
| 10:58.05 | rwhitby | I'm on 32-bit always |
| 10:58.06 | XorA | although I would have thought more OE people would scream if gcc was broke on 64bit |
| 10:58.12 | XorA | yes, Lenny |
| 10:58.15 | rwhitby | Don't touch 64bit |
| 10:58.33 | XorA | lenny/sid |
| 10:58.33 | XorA | /etc/debian_version |
| 10:58.36 | Proton23 | rwhitby: why not? :) |
| 10:58.38 | PBeck | so i musst go bye :) |
| 10:58.50 | XorA | flash doesnt work well on 64bit so no web pr0n |
| 10:59.19 | rwhitby | all builds fail on 64bit first |
| 10:59.44 | rwhitby | (historically speaking) |
| 10:59.56 | Proton23 | oh ok |
| 11:00.48 | rwhitby | XorA: apt sources.list is lenny and lenny/updates |
| 11:01.01 | rwhitby | I have main, contrib and non-free enabled |
| 11:01.10 | XorA | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 11:01.10 | XorA | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 11:01.10 | XorA | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:01.10 | XorA | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:01.18 | rwhitby | exactly the same |
| 11:01.22 | rwhitby | doing a dist-upgrade now |
| 11:01.37 | XorA | gets more puzzled |
| 11:02.11 | rwhitby | I'll replicate the build error with a -c rebuild after the dist-upgrade, and then we'll start comparing versions of things |
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| 11:05.46 | Infoport | PBeck, I havent seen the German team, and the US coverage keeps changing to other sports with US (rowing. not my cup of tea) |
| 11:06.51 | XorA | I hate olympic coverage so I gave up watching |
| 11:07.41 | rwhitby | XorA: are you going to be around for a while? |
| 11:07.44 | Infoport | XorA, yeah I didnt even *see* the first Nigerian goal :-( They say full games on HD, but I dont have that |
| 11:08.02 | XorA | rwhitby: Ill take 30 mins for lunch soon, but its onlu 12:07 here :-) |
| 11:08.33 | rwhitby | looks like it's going to rebuild a kernel, so I'll let it go while you have lunch and be ready for after that |
| 11:08.35 | XorA | I like stuff like the greko roman wrestling but becuase no british people do it, channels in UK wont show it |
| 11:09.21 | rwhitby | XorA: automake 1.10.1 ? |
| 11:10.23 | Infoport | cga: one more suggestion-- since you are grabbing the device codes, give an error if no OM devices are found (like as in no devices, or only non-OM, can initialize a variable and then set if any devices found, fail if not set) Perhaps tell ppl to boot to NAND and give a link |
| 11:10.36 | XorA | ii automake 1:1.10.1-3 |
| 11:10.49 | Infoport | cga: oh, and of course, exit, with any non-zero code |
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| 11:12.18 | XorA | rwhitby: http://www.xora.org.uk/~dp/versions.txt |
| 11:12.22 | XorA | rwhitby: thats my dpkg -l |
| 11:12.36 | XorA | rwhitby: quicker than checking each individually |
| 11:13.12 | rwhitby | XorA: now I get: fatal: failed to unpack tree object cb3cc53a76c7f1f7c827d048db7a849e77071515 |
| 11:14.10 | XorA | rwhitby: that seems to be a bug in the git fetcher, re-running normally clears it |
| 11:14.28 | XorA | I cant find that rev in sane-srcrevs |
| 11:14.30 | rwhitby | the build systems is way more brittle than usual. that's after re-running it. now trying to remove git sources |
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| 11:16.02 | rwhitby | ok, I was running moko-autorev and fso-autorev - |
| 11:16.06 | rwhitby | taking them out now |
| 11:16.42 | trupheenix | hepl please. i compiled my application with the toolchain. it didn't give any errors just one warning about usage of rand. i was even able to package my application and install it on the freerunner. but now the the app doesn't load. what could be wrong? |
| 11:16.44 | XorA | rwhitby: when doing autorev you need to touch conf/local.conf every build otherwise things go wrong |
| 11:17.13 | rwhitby | XorA: ok, let's try and get sane-srcrevs building all images then ... |
| 11:17.37 | XorA | I updated the srcrevs for openmoko-devel-image so it should build through |
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| 11:17.46 | XorA | contrary to what emails claimed about no updates :-D |
| 11:18.54 | trupheenix | hepl please. i compiled my application with the toolchain. it didn't give any errors just one warning about usage of rand. i was even able to package my application and install it on the freerunner. but now the the app doesn't load. what could be wrong? |
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| 11:21.34 | rwhitby | XorA: I'm now attempting builds of fso from OE and asu.testing from OM |
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| 11:21.54 | XorA | rwhitby: hmm, I am building openmoko.dev |
| 11:22.25 | rwhitby | has it synced from asu.testing? |
| 11:22.32 | XorA | rwhitby: not yet |
| 11:22.39 | rwhitby | if not, then it doesn't represent any released images right :-) |
| 11:22.55 | XorA | rwhitby: it never will represent them, as OE moved on since the fork |
| 11:22.55 | rwhitby | so no point in getting it to build for end users ... |
| 11:23.09 | XorA | rwhitby: but I am working towards my next milestone |
| 11:23.17 | rwhitby | nod |
| 11:23.37 | XorA | got 4 cores here, I can start an ASU build as well |
| 11:23.43 | rwhitby | who is getting asu.testing to build on buildhost? |
| 11:24.03 | rwhitby | (did that decision get made yesterday?) |
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| 11:26.12 | XorA | rwhitby: Im waiting for head of distro team to send out the email announcements |
| 11:26.41 | rwhitby | ok |
| 11:26.44 | Infoport | cga`work: another suggestion-- if HEX not in the two correct codes, then they didn't choose an OM; this will also trap for cases if they accidentally hit a 4 b/c it is above the 1 on keypad |
| 11:27.32 | Infoport | cga`work: I thought of the empty set by forgetting to boot to NAND :rolleyes: and tested that it allows numbers too high |
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| 11:29.28 | XorA | time to go buy food |
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| 11:37.58 | trix | 'messages' stopped working on 2007.2. i open it and it closes it immediately. when that happens this line appears in x.log: |
| 11:38.07 | trix | (openmoko-messages:5108): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -11 and height -11 |
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| 11:39.07 | trix | looks like somebody filed a bug report 4 days ago |
| 11:40.57 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r682c1b010b23 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [illume-config] For Design issue. |
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| 11:51.09 | trix | looks like a new qtopia is out to fix wifi problems |
| 11:52.42 | CVirus | trix: does it suspend/resume reliably ? |
| 11:52.57 | trix | not sure. i'm about to flash it |
| 11:53.16 | CVirus | trix: please keep me updated |
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| 12:13.55 | trix | backing up the current images before i overwrite everything..i'll let you know |
| 12:18.21 | XorA | listens to the harddisk thrash |
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| 12:22.20 | araujo | Hi ... |
| 12:22.41 | araujo | mmm ... you can't get the Neo from the openmoko site anymore? |
| 12:24.32 | XorA | we dont make the neo anymore |
| 12:24.42 | araujo | :-[ |
| 12:24.49 | XorA | whats wrong with the freerunner? |
| 12:25.20 | Infoport | XorA, aroujo: technically OM doesn't make the Neo *1973*, right? They still sell the Neo Freerunner |
| 12:25.31 | cbrake_away | XorA: the freerunner has NEO printed on the front of it |
| 12:25.32 | araujo | mmm... |
| 12:26.56 | Infoport | us.direct.openmoko.com says the Neo Freerunner is due back in stock July 25th (running behind?) |
| 12:27.04 | araujo | Infoport, yeah |
| 12:27.08 | araujo | That's what I mean |
| 12:27.27 | araujo | Infoport, But I can't access the Store panel from openmoko.org ... |
| 12:27.42 | araujo | won't they be re-distributing more neo? |
| 12:27.52 | Infoport | aruajo look to openmoko.COM |
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| 12:28.09 | araujo | Infoport, I am there ... |
| 12:28.17 | XorA | openmoko.org is the comunnity site, openmoko.com is the company site |
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| 12:28.55 | araujo | Infoport, I can't find the page to order the neo from there ... but instead a list of re-sellers |
| 12:29.41 | rwhitby | I've just hit the illume-theme-freesmartphone build problem too on the fso build |
| 12:30.12 | XorA | shout at FSO guys |
| 12:30.30 | Infoport | araujo: gp2xstore incredibly seems to be selling the Openmoko Neo 1973 still, but it is the previous version-- most now want the new one |
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| 12:30.52 | araujo | Infoport, no, Neo FreeRunner is ok |
| 12:30.54 | rwhitby | XorA: trying fso-autorev first, without moko-autorev. |
| 12:30.56 | admiral0 | hi. what rootfs do you advice me to flash? |
| 12:31.36 | trupheenix | admiral0: depens on what u plan to do with the phone! :) |
| 12:31.40 | rwhitby | XorA: my git.om.org builds are going to take a while it's doing gcc rebuilds for some reason |
| 12:31.57 | rwhitby | (probably overnight on my single-core machine) |
| 12:32.02 | kd8ikt | make clean? |
| 12:32.03 | admiral0 | trupheenix: have fun! ^^. |
| 12:32.16 | Infoport | araujo, just click through by region, and by country, and then the list of distributor IS where to buy (one of them is Openmoko in the US, dist in Canada, and a dist in US with the Neo 1973) |
| 12:32.37 | araujo | Infoport, ok, thanks, doing that , the us site is very slow here |
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| 12:33.23 | Infoport | araujo BUT it looks like OM direct in US is currently sold out, so you may have to wait, or order from elsewhere (Canada?) |
| 12:33.41 | Infoport | araujo: are you in US? |
| 12:34.12 | araujo | aah yeah , this is the site |
| 12:34.16 | araujo | Infoport, no, south-america |
| 12:34.28 | araujo | sold out yet |
| 12:34.30 | araujo | :-P |
| 12:35.32 | Infoport | araujo: do you know what Mhz bands are used there? is it 850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900 ? |
| 12:36.02 | trupheenix | admiral0: define fun |
| 12:36.02 | araujo | 850/900 |
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| 12:37.08 | trupheenix | admiral0: define fun |
| 12:38.01 | Infoport | araujo: those two, or all four? I'm not really sure which is your best choice...I'd make sure first what has best coverage, or else choose by which places you might visit most |
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| 12:39.39 | rwhitby | araujo: which country uses 850/900? |
| 12:39.49 | araujo | rwhitby, .ve |
| 12:40.03 | admiral0 | trupheenix: i don't need gsm capabilities. Just a functioning terminal and various frameworks available |
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| 12:41.32 | rwhitby | araujo: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ve.shtml <- wow, that's the first country I've seen that uses 850 and 900 in the same country. |
| 12:41.32 | trupheenix | admiral0: then use Openmoko linux. it's the best |
| 12:41.44 | araujo | rwhitby, really? :-P |
| 12:41.47 | rwhitby | I'm afraid you need a quad-band phone, and Openmoko doesn't make one, if you want to use both those carriers. |
| 12:41.56 | admiral0 | trupheenix: image? |
| 12:42.05 | araujo | rwhitby, no, I only would use one |
| 12:42.06 | trupheenix | admiral0: well isn't it on ur phone already? |
| 12:42.07 | rwhitby | araujo: really. USA uses 850, Europe uses 900. |
| 12:42.16 | rwhitby | (as a generalisation) |
| 12:42.20 | araujo | rwhitby, ooh... interesting :-P |
| 12:42.27 | trupheenix | admiral0: just do an opkg upgrade and u should have the latest image |
| 12:43.11 | rwhitby | araujo: do those two carriers operate in the same physical locations? |
| 12:43.19 | araujo | rwhitby, yeah |
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| 12:43.54 | rwhitby | araujo: do they roam on each other's network? |
| 12:44.42 | araujo | rwhitby, yeah, something like that ... calling between different network is kind of expensive |
| 12:45.17 | rwhitby | looks like you need a true quad-band phone for .ve then |
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| 12:45.55 | araujo | rwhitby, I am not so sure about it, but now you ask, I will find that out |
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| 12:46.49 | rwhitby | stores .ve away in his mind as one of those "special" contries, like Catham Island with it's GMT+12:45 timezone ... |
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| 12:50.24 | admiral0 | trupheenix: and if i try OM2008.08? |
| 12:50.41 | trupheenix | admiral0: why not :) |
| 12:50.47 | trupheenix | admiral0: it's funky |
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| 12:51.26 | trupheenix | admiral0: the most functional image out there is from Qtopia. it actually lets u use the freerunner |
| 12:51.59 | admiral0 | trupheenix: the question is ... which one |
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| 12:52.35 | trupheenix | admiral0: i would go for OM2008.08 :) |
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| 12:55.38 | admiral0 | is openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-glibc-ipk--20080812-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ok? |
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| 13:04.48 | XorA | rwhitby: Im as far as glibc compiling now |
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| 13:06.25 | rwhitby | XorA: I'm going to change MokoMakefile to check out the different branches into different directories, and to build different images in different directories based on those checkouts. |
| 13:06.32 | ritz | i have borked me moko |
| 13:06.44 | XorA | rwhitby: you got cross branch polution? |
| 13:06.58 | ritz | moko does stay powered on for more than a few seconds |
| 13:07.03 | ritz | anyone heard of this ? |
| 13:07.20 | rwhitby | XorA: can't guarantee that I don't |
| 13:07.27 | XorA | ritz: ASU is set to suspend after 5 secs |
| 13:07.39 | ritz | ouch |
| 13:07.48 | XorA | ritz: is this what you see? |
| 13:07.52 | ritz | yes |
| 13:08.01 | XorA | ritz: use Settings and change the time |
| 13:08.38 | ritz | XorA: i was trying to flash to qt |
| 13:08.44 | ritz | after asu refused to boot up |
| 13:09.02 | ritz | and then inevitable followed |
| 13:09.28 | admiral0 | trupheenix:thank you |
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| 13:09.44 | admiral0 | 2008.08 rocks |
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| 13:12.15 | Zorkman | lpotter: is there a tar.gz file to easily boot qtopia from sd? |
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| 13:12.54 | gatestone | is it possible to watch CNN live video on Ubuntu? Says it need Windows media player for Windows but not for Max, no mention of Linux... |
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| 13:13.11 | gatestone | s/Max/Mac |
| 13:13.24 | zash | gatestone: ot, but mplayer or vlc should play anything |
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| 13:13.46 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: fso-autorev.inc, pygsm does not exist, so should be removed |
| 13:14.39 | gatestone | zash, so how to set up Cnn.com Live video? |
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| 13:15.21 | zash | gatestone: iduno |
| 13:15.55 | zash | gatestone: try installing the mplayer-plugin for firefox |
| 13:16.22 | zash | gatestone: mozilla-mplayer |
| 13:16.34 | XorA | that normally works where mediaplayer is needed |
| 13:16.46 | zash | but not always |
| 13:16.46 | XorA | unless they use cursed javascript to check for the activeX control |
| 13:17.06 | zash | XorA: or js that checks for quicktime |
| 13:17.15 | zash | *ahem* apple *ahem* |
| 13:17.47 | XorA | does nasty things to apple with a reamer |
| 13:17.53 | zash | built a greasemonkey-script that replaces apples checks with "return true" |
| 13:18.01 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: same for pyneog |
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| 13:18.52 | gatestone | zash, did not help still, same: "STREAM ERROR: Stream cannot be reached." |
| 13:19.00 | zash | gatestone: bah |
| 13:19.24 | zash | gatestone: iduno, it works on tv4.se |
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| 13:20.52 | zash | gatestone: you could try the thing that always work |
| 13:21.08 | zash | gatestone: digg out the url to the video and play it in mplayer from commandline |
| 13:21.36 | zash | gatestone: something that often messes up things is that they dont refer to the actual video, but to playlist-files |
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| 13:29.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0551f87c421a 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.vapi input.plugin input.vala): |
| 13:29.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add reportheld keyfile TODO: actually use it |
| 13:29.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Detect key press |
| 13:29.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb7c2cad424ca 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (3 files): pass IOChannel to start_timers |
| 13:29.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r01fa02540f52 10/odeviced/etc/odeviced.conf: Enable idlenotifier on startup |
| 13:29.32 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra3192a70eacb 10/opimd/ (8 files): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 |
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| 13:31.13 | Dave | Hello rwhitby :) |
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| 13:32.19 | rwhitby | G'day Dave |
| 13:32.50 | rwhitby | writes yet another list email about the daily-feed Om2008.08 confusion, and continues to wait for XorA's boss to decide to fix it. |
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| 13:40.15 | quickdev | anyone here who could test a zhone patch? |
| 13:41.09 | rwhitby | quickdev: sorry, still trying to get zhone to work on my GTA01 |
| 13:41.27 | Zorkman | hi Dave |
| 13:41.31 | rwhitby | (my GTA02 is deciding to refuse to boot today) |
| 13:41.34 | quickdev | rwhitby, what's your problem on gta01? |
| 13:41.46 | ritz | rwhitby: ditto here :( |
| 13:41.55 | rwhitby | quickdev: fso boots fine, but then doesn't seem to accept any touchscreen input |
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| 13:42.13 | rwhitby | ritz: ditto on GTA01 or GTA02? |
| 13:42.14 | quickdev | rwhitby, do you know if there's already a ticket? |
| 13:42.20 | ritz | GTA02v5 |
| 13:42.42 | rwhitby | quickdev: I wasn't sure yet whether it was expected to work on GTA01 |
| 13:42.44 | quickdev | rwhitby, right kernel installed? |
| 13:42.47 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:42.55 | ritz | it switches it self off after 5sec, while i am in boot menu |
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| 13:44.43 | rwhitby | quickdev: I've been trying to get fso to build for gta01, so I could start to debug the problem ... |
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| 13:45.24 | rwhitby | Looks like the secret to that is to include fso-autorev, but *not* include moko-autorev. |
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| 13:45.57 | quickdev | rwhitby, the kernel works with a different root fs image? |
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| 13:46.19 | rwhitby | quickdev: good question, haven't tried that. |
| 13:46.27 | Dave | Z :) |
| 13:46.55 | rwhitby | will try that tomorrow, it's getting late here. |
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| 13:47.05 | quickdev | rwhitby, which kernel did you choose? |
| 13:47.25 | Dave | xora has a boss? :P |
| 13:47.34 | rwhitby | quickdev: I used the milestone2 kernel and rootfs, and I also tried a recent one I built myself. |
| 13:47.44 | quickdev | rwhitby, where did you get it? |
| 13:48.07 | rwhitby | quickdev: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/ |
| 13:48.29 | rwhitby | specifically, http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin and http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:48.38 | Dave | fso! |
| 13:49.19 | rwhitby | Dave: apparently XorA's boss is supposed to announce something about buildhost and feeds soon ... |
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| 13:49.33 | bumbl | hi Davee |
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| 13:50.00 | rwhitby | wonders if DocScrutinizer is XorA's boss ... |
| 13:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: I'm nobody's boss ;-) |
| 13:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: why do you ask? |
| 13:51.30 | rwhitby | just trying to find out when someone is going to make a sensible decision about building asu.testing branch on buildhost instead of having a public daily-feed which doesn't match your released ASU image |
| 13:51.50 | rwhitby | (which is causing huge amounts of confusion in your customer base) |
| 13:52.41 | rwhitby | In fact, daily-feed doesn't match *any* of the five different Openmoko distributions that are available ... |
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| 13:53.30 | XorA | rwhitby: building asu.testing would negate the point of QA |
| 13:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: so you're aware I'm HW and don't know nuttin about feeds etc? |
| 13:54.08 | XorA | which would put the testing team out of a job |
| 13:54.15 | rwhitby | XorA: I would say that if daily-feed built asu.testing, but was *not* installed on the FR image by default, then you would get better QA |
| 13:55.03 | rwhitby | since you'd have the people who know enough to change their feed configs able to help do the testing, before those packages go to the many more people who just use the default stable feeds |
| 13:55.28 | bumbl | XorA: it wouldn't put the testing team out of job but it would complement it |
| 13:55.30 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but you might have let slip who XorA's boss is, so I could bug them directly :-) |
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| 13:55.48 | XorA | rwhitby: easilly reachable on devel@ |
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| 13:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) me away... |
| 13:56.46 | rwhitby | XorA: looks like fso-image finally built. The secret is to include fso-autorev, but *not* include moko-autorev. |
| 13:56.48 | XorA | begins to think we should just remove http from buildhost |
| 13:57.05 | rwhitby | XorA: that'd be better than the current situation. |
| 13:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: I've got some better ideas... ;-) might even fit to 03 :D |
| 13:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | tesla |
| 13:57.55 | XorA | rwhitby: basic reading skills would be better from my opinion, but it seems thats a dream that will never be acheived |
| 13:58.16 | rwhitby | XorA: you've got to remember that over half the population is below average intelligence ... |
| 13:58.19 | kd8ikt | oh hai howbout an icecast streambroswer/front end to mplayer? |
| 13:58.35 | XorA | can we add an IQ test to shop.openmoko.com then :-D |
| 13:58.49 | mwester-trip | On the entry page to buildhost would be even better |
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| 14:00.27 | mwester-trip | From a supportability POV, it might not be a bad idea to constrain the http server to certain place on buildhost, though. |
| 14:01.45 | SpeedEvil | Do http://www.gp2xstore.com/Neo_1973_Base_Phone_p/012.htm actually have freerunner? |
| 14:02.16 | zash | SpeedEvil: says Neo 1973 |
| 14:02.35 | zash | SpeedEvil: does not say freerunner anywhere |
| 14:02.59 | rwhitby | flashes a freshly built fso image to the GTA01 ... |
| 14:03.29 | mwester-trip | Hmmm... given the email some days ago that mentioned one of the reasons OM can't support the GTA01, perhaps OM should make a shopping trip at that web store... |
| 14:03.42 | rwhitby | mwester-trip: I was thinking the same thing |
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| 14:04.30 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I tried to order 50 from that site, and it says they only have 6 left. |
| 14:04.59 | rwhitby | So OM should snap them up for customer support staff ... |
| 14:05.08 | SpeedEvil | zash: so I thought - but it's linked off 'buy freerunner' |
| 14:05.12 | SpeedEvil | on the main page |
| 14:05.41 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: or they could offer a swaps program :) |
| 14:06.09 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you could recycle the case and screen only though |
| 14:06.10 | rwhitby | I've got two dead GTA01s I can swap :-) |
| 14:06.18 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: how dead? |
| 14:06.22 | zash | SpeedEvil: höh, googling "freerunner site:ps2xstore.com" didn't give anything |
| 14:06.23 | Dave | rwhitby, who are you flashing now? |
| 14:06.37 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: PMU receiving > 6V dead |
| 14:06.53 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: murder then. |
| 14:07.09 | Dave | moidah! |
| 14:07.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders what that would do. |
| 14:07.29 | SpeedEvil | I think it's fairly likely that'd only kill the PMU |
| 14:07.46 | SpeedEvil | >6v, or >>? |
| 14:08.00 | Dave | haha |
| 14:08.08 | SpeedEvil | It wasn't due to a failing powersupply on Belkin tetrahub was it? |
| 14:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: >=6 is enough :-/ |
| 14:08.16 | Dave | 1.21JW? |
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| 14:08.30 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: indeed. |
| 14:08.39 | Dave | Joerg! :D |
| 14:08.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: however the failure mode between 6VDC, and 240VAC is rather different. |
| 14:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | :D |
| 14:09.13 | Dave | 240VAC? silly foreigners ;p |
| 14:09.29 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: 12V applied I believe, due to USB hub which didn't protect downstream very well, and 12V and 5V power supply plugs on a test rig with identical form factors :-( |
| 14:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | 230V actually |
| 14:09.35 | Dave | heehee |
| 14:09.45 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: nope, 240V here |
| 14:09.48 | Dave | yeah, that'll fuck your device, rwhitby |
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| 14:09.57 | SpeedEvil | It may not fuck it very badly. |
| 14:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | uh! |
| 14:10.00 | Dave | this is because things are designed poorly |
| 14:10.03 | SpeedEvil | PMU replace might fix it. |
| 14:10.12 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I expect it would |
| 14:10.14 | SpeedEvil | Also, the screen will almost certainly be fine. |
| 14:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | how do that? |
| 14:10.21 | Dave | I mean what the fuck, 12V >> 5V in small devices |
| 14:10.27 | kd8ikt | hey ugh the mplayer bitbake magic doesnt have the glamo patch :( |
| 14:10.31 | Dave | Tell the difference, don't allow it to run! |
| 14:10.37 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: exactly. it's BGA, right? |
| 14:10.38 | Dave | kd8ikt, boohoo? |
| 14:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | had to look, dunno |
| 14:10.49 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: or QFN - I forget |
| 14:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | think so |
| 14:10.53 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: damn small |
| 14:11.15 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: only really if you're very competant. And I'm not sure the PMU is actually available in ones. |
| 14:11.15 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: they are definitely good screen spare parts |
| 14:11.29 | Dave | holy exploding screens batman!? |
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| 14:13.57 | spydon | what is the name of that mediaplayer in 2007.2? |
| 14:14.12 | Zorkman | openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 14:14.13 | Dave | mediaplayer? |
| 14:14.18 | Dave | :p |
| 14:14.30 | Dave | eyes Zorkman |
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| 14:14.54 | spydon | Zorkman ty :P |
| 14:15.32 | spydon | Zorkman, cant you use that one in qtopia or asu? :P |
| 14:15.55 | Zorkman | doesn't know, but thinks: "not a chanse" :) |
| 14:16.18 | Pyrasi | asu has a media player o.O |
| 14:16.37 | Pyrasi | I've never seen it.... |
| 14:16.39 | Sargun | I think my (ear) speaker broke. |
| 14:17.14 | Sargun | I'm not sure if its a hardware or software problem |
| 14:17.24 | Sargun | but the Audio coming out of my Ear speaker is way too low |
| 14:17.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh well - I can't seem to find any sources for PCF50606 online. |
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| 14:17.53 | XorA | start trawling ebay for busted gta01 for spares :-) |
| 14:17.56 | Sargun | Any ideas? |
| 14:18.07 | Sargun | I'm guessing there isn't any warranty? ;-P |
| 14:18.07 | Pyrasi | Sargun its just your alsa state file |
| 14:18.12 | Sargun | are you sure? |
| 14:18.21 | Sargun | so if I run the neat alsactl command |
| 14:18.23 | Sargun | it'll be fixed? |
| 14:18.27 | Pyrasi | no....but id be willing to bet money it is ;) |
| 14:18.34 | Sargun | why doesn't the dialer run that on start-up? |
| 14:18.43 | Pyrasi | are you talking about during phone calls? |
| 14:19.12 | Sargun | yeah |
| 14:19.39 | Pyrasi | yea....its just your state file. It's turned down so that people on the other end dont hear as loud of an echo of their own voice atm |
| 14:19.44 | Pyrasi | you can turn it up if you want |
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| 14:19.54 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 14:20.12 | Sargun | On the other hand my girlfriend said this phone had great voice quality compared to my Treo. |
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| 14:20.23 | Pyrasi | haha |
| 14:20.33 | gmaxwell | So using the standalone build toolset how do I get my apps to link against libraries built by mokomakefile? |
| 14:21.27 | Dave | retraciles! |
| 14:21.27 | Pyrasi | Sargun: look at /usr/share/openmoko/scenerios/gsmhandset.state I believe if you want to change it |
| 14:21.36 | Sargun | yeah |
| 14:21.39 | Pyrasi | but id make a backup first before you mess with it |
| 14:21.48 | Sargun | I have a full backup (tarball) of my phone |
| 14:21.52 | SpeedEvil | XorA: it's a popular chip |
| 14:21.57 | Pyrasi | well id say you are good then ;) |
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| 14:22.10 | Pyrasi | how'd you make the tarball back up? |
| 14:22.45 | Sargun | mount -o ro,remount all the partitions |
| 14:22.53 | Sargun | and then run tar |
| 14:23.00 | Sargun | and copy it over to my computer (over USB) |
| 14:23.16 | Dave | hah |
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| 14:23.22 | Dave | flash it like it's hot |
| 14:23.31 | Sargun | tar -cvf - / |nc 192.168.0.200 10000 |
| 14:23.37 | Sargun | anyways, I've gotta go. Bye! |
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| 14:23.38 | Dave | I sadly must say Sargun, you'd be better running cga's script ;p |
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| 14:25.37 | Pyrasi | cga's script? |
| 14:25.51 | Dave | YES |
| 14:26.02 | Dave | it flash images your phone |
| 14:26.10 | Pyrasi | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! |
| 14:26.13 | Pyrasi | o.O |
| 14:26.34 | Pyrasi | oh yea? where is the script if you dont mind? |
| 14:26.41 | Pyrasi | i dont think ive seen it |
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| 14:27.31 | Dave | We're creating it |
| 14:27.38 | Dave | it should be available though |
| 14:27.41 | Dave | somewhere :P |
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| 14:28.23 | Pyrasi | =P I'd love to be able to easily make a backup of my phone.....theres been too many times ive lost everything after an upgrade.... |
| 14:28.33 | Dave | throws a keyboard at raster |
| 14:28.44 | Dave | Pyrasi, that's what it's for! |
| 14:28.56 | Dave | Though it takes like fifteen minutes or so to run? |
| 14:29.06 | Dave | Yeah we agree |
| 14:29.09 | Dave | hence the point of this :P |
| 14:29.24 | Dave | because you can then just flash your phone and return everything to normal |
| 14:29.39 | Pyrasi | lol. You said it should be available somewhere......like the wiki somewhere...or mailinglists somewhere? |
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| 14:31.02 | Dave | raster! |
| 14:31.09 | Dave | Pyrasi, yes, SOMEWHERE |
| 14:31.16 | Dave | or read channel logs back a day or two :P |
| 14:31.28 | Dave | we were constantly working on it, so I'm sure there's urls somewhere |
| 14:31.35 | Dave | and yeah it may have made it's way onto the wiki |
| 14:31.41 | Dave | (I'm pretty sure it has) |
| 14:31.44 | Dave | Where, I forget :D |
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| 14:33.06 | Dave | Joergs! |
| 14:33.51 | spydon | Hehe does qtopia break if you do opkg update and upgrade? :P |
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| 14:36.49 | Dave | foooooooooooooooooods |
| 14:37.07 | spydon | I just flashed the phone to it and then did opkg update and opkg upgrade and now I cant boot into it anymore :P |
| 14:37.33 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.50 | XorA | spydon: flashed what and upgraded with what? |
| 14:38.24 | rwhitby | waits for Om2008.08 and daily-feed ... |
| 14:38.25 | spydon | XorA, flashed the freerunner and then ssh:d to it and upgraded with opkg... :P |
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| 14:39.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd357bf9b340f 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:39.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: input: Move add_watch to C, see bug |
| 14:39.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546898 |
| 14:39.26 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r599bb46f2ebd 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/input-helpers.c: Detect keypress |
| 14:39.28 | Dave | rwhitby, I fear you may be waiting for a while :| |
| 14:39.44 | Dave | haha detect keypress, well, that sounds rather important :) |
| 14:39.47 | rwhitby | Dave: I was referring to the answer that spydon might give to XorA's question |
| 14:40.02 | Dave | Ah :] |
| 14:40.05 | XorA | wonders about making /etc/opkg/* immutable |
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| 14:40.08 | Dave | Meanwhile, Xora is slow. |
| 14:40.14 | Dave | immutable? :o |
| 14:40.23 | Dave | haha, yeah, wouldn't that be nice? |
| 14:40.33 | Dave | that way certain UPGRADES won't fuck us all over :] |
| 14:40.33 | XorA | would solve this user error forever |
| 14:40.39 | Dave | huhu :p |
| 14:40.45 | spydon | hehe |
| 14:40.45 | rwhitby | XorA: hard-code the feed locations into the opkg binary |
| 14:40.52 | XorA | dont allow the users to unter random URL's |
| 14:40.52 | spydon | ah well Il just reflash then :P |
| 14:41.38 | Dave | gah |
| 14:41.41 | Dave | stabs rwhitby |
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| 14:42.07 | Dave | Xora, however, whoever created the distro-feeds package in the repo should be throughly stabbed |
| 14:42.13 | Dave | also someone should rape the opkg maintainers |
| 14:42.16 | mwester-trip | Perhaps opkg needs to be able to match a string/key describing the feeds the current host should use with a string/key describing the target opkg repo. |
| 14:42.22 | Dave | for being ignorant fools. |
| 14:42.36 | Dave | mwester, wouldn't that be nice! :D |
| 14:42.36 | spydon | How can I remove the distro-feeds then? :P |
| 14:42.47 | Dave | rm -f /etc/opkg/* |
| 14:43.01 | Dave | unless that's not quite what you wanted :P |
| 14:43.07 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
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| 14:44.32 | Dave | haha |
| 14:44.44 | Dave | indeed |
| 14:44.55 | kd8ikt | great but only like 20% of people actually read the topic |
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| 14:45.10 | Dave | I fear it's far less than that. |
| 14:45.12 | mwester-trip | XorA: you should shout at the beginning of the topic; it gets cut off by many readers. :D |
| 14:45.18 | Dave | kd8, that's way too optimistic, it's more like 4% |
| 14:45.31 | Dave | and out of 5% of users, they read it AFTER the fact... |
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| 14:45.34 | Dave | when told :P |
| 14:45.35 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
| 14:45.41 | mwester-trip | :D |
| 14:45.48 | Dave | NEEDS MORE CAPS! |
| 14:46.02 | *** topic/#openmoko by XorA -> DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet, even for expert users. | Developers should join #openmoko-cdevel | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
| 14:46.03 | kd8ikt | mwester's trippin |
| 14:47.44 | Dave | good stuff man |
| 14:47.48 | Dave | high-fives Xora |
| 14:47.55 | Dave | you tell 'em! |
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| 14:48.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.24 | XorA | Pyrasi: havent had a chance to look yet, Ill try and fix it tomorrow morning |
| 14:49.44 | rwhitby | night all |
| 14:49.44 | XorA | Pyrasi: I have an idea where the fault lays, just need to confirm it |
| 14:50.19 | Dave | FAT is FAIL |
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| 14:51.34 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.37 | Dave | s'kjera |
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| 14:54.35 | Dave | leinir! :o |
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| 14:57.21 | Proton23 | What libs are needed to compile a Qt app and how to get them into the toolchain? |
| 14:57.49 | Dave | eh? |
| 14:57.53 | gmaxwell | Proton23, hah. I was just asking something kinda like that |
| 14:57.55 | gmaxwell | So using the standalone build toolset how do I get my apps to link against libraries built by mokomakefile? |
| 14:59.12 | Dave | libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-dev |
| 14:59.24 | Dave | (or libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqt4-network |
| 15:00.10 | Proton23 | gmaxwell: What do you mean with standalone build toolset? |
| 15:00.32 | Proton23 | Dave: how to link them into the toolchain? |
| 15:00.34 | gmaxwell | the Proton23 the tar.bz2 which includes the cross compiler and stuff |
| 15:00.42 | Dave | no idea :D |
| 15:01.04 | Proton23 | gmaxwell: ok :) |
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| 15:01.21 | Proton23 | Dave: fair enough :) |
| 15:01.56 | Proton23 | Dave: Do you know who can tell me? |
| 15:02.11 | Dave | possibly some of the qt whores here? |
| 15:02.13 | Dave | :P |
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| 15:07.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r49f15fba0173 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): |
| 15:07.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) get release event, made the IOFunc callback static |
| 15:07.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) ignore touchscreen events |
| 15:07.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: TODO: (still) use ignore_input key instead of evilly hardcoding them |
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| 15:09.17 | Dave | ignore touchscreen events!? |
| 15:09.18 | Dave | YES! |
| 15:09.23 | Dave | There's my hold feature, baby! |
| 15:09.28 | Dave | *whaapisssh* |
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| 15:09.56 | cjb | huh, what kind of ignore touchscreen events? |
| 15:10.09 | cjb | (how else do you hang up?) |
| 15:10.18 | Sup3rkiddo | cjb, just for now.....:) |
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| 15:20.25 | Mek | hmm... how do I regenerate the Packages(.gz) files when I'm building stuff? |
| 15:22.22 | Dave | Mek! |
| 15:22.42 | rwhitby | Mek: bitbake package-index |
| 15:22.50 | Dave | rwhitby, still awake? :) |
| 15:22.52 | Mek | ah, okay... |
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| 15:23.32 | spydon | How do I shutdown 2008.08 without terminal? :P |
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| 15:23.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.34 | spydon | err, isnt that hard shutdown? :P |
| 15:24.44 | Zorkman | nope |
| 15:25.02 | spydon | ah nice, it was like 3 sec :P |
| 15:25.16 | Dave | Zorkman :) |
| 15:25.23 | Zorkman | hi |
| 15:25.41 | Dave | I wish they'd fix scummvm |
| 15:25.48 | Dave | :\ |
| 15:25.55 | Dave | I wish I'd also be able to save games :P |
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| 15:26.30 | Dave | I am also unsure why my general sound for apps no longer works, Zorkman |
| 15:26.34 | Dave | like epiano, for example |
| 15:26.47 | Dave | I think this was since I commented out the load sample sounds in pulse |
| 15:26.51 | Dave | :x |
| 15:27.15 | Zorkman | i did the same thing, but sound still works.. |
| 15:27.26 | Zorkman | maybe resume broke it? |
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| 15:27.44 | Dave | :| |
| 15:27.46 | Dave | oh, maybe! |
| 15:27.47 | Dave | :D |
| 15:27.52 | Dave | Why, is that known to happen? |
| 15:27.57 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.00 | Dave | So far it seems like resume breaks -everything- |
| 15:28.08 | Dave | :p |
| 15:28.13 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.31 | Dave | but shouldn't restarting pulseaudio fix that? |
| 15:28.32 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.04 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.14 | Dave | meh, fuck 2008 |
| 15:29.27 | Dave | we're not there, yet :P |
| 15:29.39 | lindi- | Pyrasi: why don't you apply the fix to 2008? |
| 15:29.56 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickeyl -> Openmoko user lounge | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | DO NOT USE buildhost.openmoko.org TO UPGRADE 2008.8 IT WILL NEVER EVER WORK | Freerunner is in stock in some resellers. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Quickstart | Software status - NOT a stable phone yet. | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems | Keynumber for 2008.8 : finger slide up on the keyboard |
| 15:30.20 | Infoport | Dave: hey, cga and I have worked on the script a bit, although I have run into a snag... |
| 15:31.45 | Dave | Infoport, what is it? |
| 15:31.46 | Infoport | Dave: the issue is that if you pipe in the first of a loop, it creates a local copy of the variables, and when I exist I can't tell if we found anything, or if they choose a number above what is available (but the last valie of $HEX is still there, and it does *that* anyway. grrrr.... |
| 15:31.50 | Dave | I'll try to help if you'd like :) |
| 15:32.13 | Dave | o_O |
| 15:32.18 | Infoport | Dave: here is the latest, which has what I tried added to what he gave me today http://pastey.net/93701 |
| 15:32.23 | Dave | So basically, again, the solution, is use perl :P |
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| 15:32.32 | Dave | Info, is that the -entire- latest copy of the script? |
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| 15:34.49 | Infoport | Dave: *sigh* yes, the entire script. I think I may go out for a cigar...this has driven me crazy. I'll look in a little bit (before I finish) in case you has given a magical solution |
| 15:35.02 | Dave | :) |
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| 15:36.18 | kd8ikt | whats soo important that you need backing up? |
| 15:36.55 | Dave | kd8ikt, quiet you! |
| 15:37.29 | kd8ikt | only thing i can think of is if youre using OM2007 you backup your .evolutio* -r cause thats your added contacts |
| 15:37.59 | Dave | right :p |
| 15:38.05 | Dave | also just settings and everything |
| 15:38.10 | kd8ikt | i'm just wondering why your wasting your time on such a silly venture |
| 15:38.13 | Dave | here, I have a very practical reason to do this |
| 15:38.25 | kd8ikt | what like wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 15:38.26 | Dave | though it makes more sense to just package things if you don't require an image |
| 15:38.49 | Dave | go back to your ham, man :p |
| 15:38.52 | kd8ikt | it takes long enough to flash an image i dare not waste time backing one up |
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| 15:39.15 | Dave | yep |
| 15:40.08 | lindi- | Dave: i use rsync for backups |
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| 15:40.15 | lindi- | Dave: only needs to transfer the modified files |
| 15:40.22 | Dave | right |
| 15:40.30 | Dave | flashing makes more sense in our environment, here |
| 15:40.37 | Dave | but packaging works well too |
| 15:40.41 | Dave | it's just less safe, so to speak |
| 15:40.59 | lindi- | Dave: ? |
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| 15:41.17 | kd8ikt | i'd like to think atleast wifiweasel was a step in the right direction |
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| 15:41.36 | Dave | hah! |
| 15:41.42 | Dave | still going on about that, eh kd8? :P |
| 15:42.07 | kd8ikt | next i need a frontend to mplayer more or less strictly for icecast/shoutcast streams |
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| 15:42.25 | Dave | hah, yeah! :p |
| 15:42.31 | Dave | Torikun kun kun |
| 15:42.45 | Torikun | hey dave |
| 15:42.46 | kd8ikt | cause mediaplayer doesnt support streams |
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| 15:42.59 | Torikun | My website finnaly works http://rusher.webhop.org:69 Check out my podcast! |
| 15:43.06 | Torikun | no upgrades today =( |
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| 15:43.29 | kd8ikt | i like that my phone is around my neck and mplayer is streaming somafm's groove salad right now |
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| 15:45.33 | kd8ikt | wish i could get mplayer to compile with the glamo video output patch i found |
| 15:45.51 | kd8ikt | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
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| 15:50.06 | Infoport | kd8ikt my limited sanity is what is so important for me, but a lot of the reason I bother with the script is because some seem to want backups, and because its there |
| 15:50.47 | Infoport | back to cigar, rest me mind |
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| 15:52.31 | kd8ikt | would never think of flashing an image older then one day |
| 15:52.57 | kd8ikt | atleast lindi is in my corner on this |
| 15:53.14 | lindi- | ? |
| 15:53.29 | kd8ikt | just nod and say yea |
| 15:53.49 | kd8ikt | ;D |
| 15:54.31 | Torikun | Why no updates today! |
| 15:56.56 | Dave | :P |
| 15:57.24 | Dave | The developer's are allowed a day off, to rest, right? :p |
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| 15:57.48 | Dave | kd8ikt, so what's wrong with mplayer and glamo? |
| 15:57.53 | Dave | they don't play nice, in your opinion? |
| 15:58.27 | Torikun | Dave: The devs need a whipping |
| 15:58.38 | kd8ikt | current (in the repo's, openembedded bitbake) doesnt support hardware rendering |
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| 15:59.04 | Dave | Agreed. :D |
| 15:59.10 | Dave | Indiana Jones style, baby! ;D |
| 15:59.20 | Dave | kd8 o_O |
| 15:59.29 | Dave | So it... doesn't display!?? What?? |
| 15:59.41 | kd8ikt | oh it will play but at a shity framerate |
| 15:59.54 | Dave | haha, oh |
| 15:59.55 | Dave | nice |
| 16:00.00 | kd8ikt | like .5 fps |
| 16:00.00 | Dave | bottleneck? shittyneck? |
| 16:00.03 | Dave | haha, gah |
| 16:00.10 | Dave | better to watch a slideshow :P |
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| 16:00.40 | kd8ikt | do you have mplayer installed on your phone? |
| 16:01.07 | Dave | yep |
| 16:01.15 | kd8ikt | mplayer -playlist http://dir.xiph.org/listen/941535/listen.m3u |
| 16:01.18 | Dave | haven't done much of anything with it, however. |
| 16:01.29 | kd8ikt | its a video/music icecast stream |
| 16:01.53 | xeros | and how about mplayer with '-vo glamo' output driver for mpeg4 video? |
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| 16:01.59 | kd8ikt | also its like chinese or something AZN |
| 16:02.06 | xeros | have you tried that? |
| 16:02.31 | xeros | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ |
| 16:02.32 | kd8ikt | my output for 'mplayer -vo help' doesnt list glamo in the video output list so ... |
| 16:02.42 | kd8ikt | i cant get it to compile |
| 16:02.58 | Dave | :o |
| 16:02.59 | Dave | wow |
| 16:03.01 | Dave | cool |
| 16:03.09 | Dave | the framerate is awesome, yeah |
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| 16:03.38 | Dave | lollerjpop |
| 16:03.52 | xeros | but I haven't seen ipkg for that, too |
| 16:03.53 | Dave | omg |
| 16:03.55 | Dave | whoa |
| 16:04.01 | Dave | uhhh kd8 |
| 16:04.07 | lindi- | i wish glamo wasn't a fork of X |
| 16:04.08 | kd8ikt | ok enough of the emotions dave |
| 16:04.10 | Dave | hahahah |
| 16:04.21 | Dave | kd8, suddenly the sound died, and I was getting full framerate! |
| 16:04.25 | Dave | then about ten seconds later it died. |
| 16:04.33 | Dave | Perhaps because it was all buffered? |
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| 16:05.23 | Dave | Meanwhile, back in the terminal, I was getting pages of FAAD Unable to find ADTS syncword, trying to resync! and Failed to decode frame: Unable to find ADTS syncword errors |
| 16:05.24 | xeros | Dave: so, try with -nosound option and check the results |
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| 16:06.11 | Dave | But the music is so nice! ;p |
| 16:06.13 | Dave | heehee |
| 16:06.27 | Dave | What silly groups, anyway -- it's not that bad :] |
| 16:07.05 | kd8ikt | hm xeros i just did that and the frame rate is fine |
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| 16:07.18 | kd8ikt | 30fps |
| 16:07.19 | Dave | oh and with the -nosound option my framerate is great |
| 16:07.34 | Dave | it's probably about 10-15FPS, anyway |
| 16:07.46 | Dave | it's hard to tell with this particular footage (video) :P |
| 16:07.58 | Dave | let me see what it looks like, WIDESCREEN ;p |
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| 16:08.12 | xeros | Dave: how big the video resolution is and what codec? |
| 16:09.21 | Dave | lawl |
| 16:09.30 | Dave | subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. |
| 16:09.33 | CVirus | http://www.nokia.com/A4852062 |
| 16:09.43 | Dave | Please suppy the text font file(~/.player/subfont.ttf) |
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| 16:10.47 | Dave | rofl |
| 16:11.20 | Dave | uh oh |
| 16:11.29 | Dave | swapping orientations while it's playing fucks up the phone graphics |
| 16:11.49 | Dave | and now it froze |
| 16:11.53 | Dave | :( |
| 16:12.30 | Dave | :( |
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| 16:12.47 | kd8ikt | -framedrop improves it a bit |
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| 16:13.06 | Dave | hmm |
| 16:13.12 | Dave | probably especially with sound |
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| 16:13.33 | Dave | but what were you saying about the glamo patch, or whatever, and more importantly how is it related to what we're talking about now? |
| 16:14.49 | kd8ikt | -vo xv |
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| 16:15.08 | kd8ikt | it adds -vo glamo |
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| 16:18.34 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.35 | Dave | eh? |
| 16:18.40 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.40 | Torikun | for eva eva eva? |
| 16:18.45 | Dave | What are you talking about linuxxr? |
| 16:18.50 | Dave | stabbity-stabs Torikun |
| 16:18.59 | linuxxr | the topic |
| 16:19.04 | Dave | oh, haha |
| 16:19.06 | Dave | eah |
| 16:19.21 | Dave | anyway, kd8, what about xv now? |
| 16:19.36 | linuxxr | good phone calls with 2008.8 yet? |
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| 16:20.02 | Torikun | linuxxr: good calls with 20080811 |
| 16:20.28 | linuxxr | thats not the new release |
| 16:20.34 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.41 | Torikun | Latest is 20080812 |
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| 16:21.37 | Dave | kd8, so why exactly is the framerate so pitiful? |
| 16:22.25 | mjr | without using a glamo output driver? limited gpu bandwidth |
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| 16:22.51 | Dave | man, the combined artifact and decompression in the codec, and the poor framerate and lag is making this quite visually tripping :p |
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| 16:23.57 | Dave | rofl! |
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| 16:25.45 | Dave | kd8, hmm, at least it's not crashing as much now (though I dare not rotate while it's playing again) :p |
| 16:26.09 | Dave | kd8ikt, so no -vo glamo? :( |
| 16:26.47 | Dave | wish I could drop even more frames, with the sound on, so it'd be more seemless |
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| 16:28.55 | SpeedEvil | The glamo accellerator chip is a 2D/3D accellerator. Unfortunately, it has a 7megabytes/s bus to the CPU, which is shared by the SD. Transferring 3.5M/s to the glamo uses 50% CPU. The 3D accel cannot do VGA mode. In most cases, the glamo has not ended up improving performance as was hoped. |
| 16:29.23 | Dave | it's actually doing alright right now |
| 16:29.39 | SpeedEvil | 'alright' - yes. |
| 16:29.41 | Dave | Yep |
| 16:29.43 | igor321 | how so? |
| 16:29.54 | Dave | yeah sharing a bus is pretty failicious |
| 16:30.00 | SpeedEvil | Is it in fact twice teh performance of GTA01 in the usual case is an important question though. |
| 16:30.06 | Dave | what's more, apparently nearly everything is shared on the same fucking bus on the freerunner |
| 16:30.10 | Dave | which is total fail |
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| 16:30.21 | Dave | DEDICATED LINES, PEOPLE! |
| 16:30.22 | SpeedEvil | You have to accept some limitations. |
| 16:30.48 | SpeedEvil | SoCs tend to have limited busses, and will block on slow accesses to stuff. |
| 16:31.01 | Dave | :( |
| 16:31.12 | SpeedEvil | It's a straight trade. |
| 16:31.21 | SpeedEvil | speed/cost/power |
| 16:31.30 | SpeedEvil | speed/cost/power / performance |
| 16:31.31 | SpeedEvil | rather |
| 16:31.39 | Dave | sure it's not |
| 16:31.46 | Dave | well, it is with that hardware profile |
| 16:31.57 | SpeedEvil | Design cleverness comes in too. |
| 16:31.59 | igor321 | so they're bumping clock to 533 and no glamo in gta03, that is gonna pwn |
| 16:32.00 | Dave | if you radically altered the design, and threw a lot more money at it... ;) |
| 16:32.29 | Dave | I don't see how maginally increasing the cpu would relaly help much |
| 16:32.35 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it does |
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| 16:32.54 | SpeedEvil | Dave: for example. GTA01 can decode most VCD class content at 20fps or so without sound |
| 16:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Dave: at 533MHz - not a problem at all. |
| 16:33.23 | igor321 | it ain't marginal 400 - 533 mhz |
| 16:33.46 | SpeedEvil | Though rotation will be annoying. |
| 16:33.48 | unknown_lamer | the glamo can decode reasonable resolution mpeg4s at least in hardware ... and could do jpeg decoding hardware as well |
| 16:33.50 | Dave | I was saying 500 to 533 :P |
| 16:34.00 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: yes, it can. |
| 16:34.00 | igor321 | well it ain't 500 now |
| 16:34.06 | Dave | speedevil, how to do I bump it up to 500 again? |
| 16:34.11 | Dave | igor you can run it at 500 |
| 16:34.21 | SpeedEvil | Dave: you put in a 7.2V battery. |
| 16:34.24 | unknown_lamer | now just to convince smedia to give us docs so we can improve the basic mpeg4 driver ... 'tho maybe the source of the hackish mplayer backend is enough |
| 16:34.27 | Dave | I also need to increase my swap. |
| 16:34.33 | Dave | Speedevil? |
| 16:34.39 | CVirus | trix: how is the new Qtopia ? |
| 16:34.50 | Dave | New Qtopia? |
| 16:35.03 | SpeedEvil | Dave: put in a 7.2V battery, and place in a really cold cup of tea, for cooling. |
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| 16:35.10 | araujo | was reading about Qtopia today |
| 16:35.12 | CVirus | Dave: the one released last friday |
| 16:35.12 | unknown_lamer | if only my current client would return from vacation so I could get paid and buy a freerunner :-( |
| 16:35.15 | Dave | haha |
| 16:35.18 | araujo | anyone using it here on the freerunner atm? |
| 16:35.23 | Dave | Virus, oh, cool. |
| 16:35.28 | Dave | Is it any less suck? |
| 16:35.30 | Dave | :P |
| 16:35.39 | CVirus | Dave: use tab completion for fuck's sake |
| 16:35.40 | Dave | Speedevil, why do I need a battery? |
| 16:35.43 | Dave | Virus: FUCK YOU |
| 16:36.00 | araujo | unknown_lamer, first ... we have to wait for availability in stock :-P |
| 16:36.01 | CVirus | noob .. you make me sick |
| 16:36.37 | igor321 | are you guys forreal? |
| 16:36.44 | Dave | Hardly. |
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| 16:37.04 | igor321 | nice |
| 16:37.19 | Dave | wonders where kd8ikt wandered off to. |
| 16:37.21 | SpeedEvil | is surreal. |
| 16:37.42 | SpeedEvil | turns into a blue whale, and falls past the window. |
| 16:37.50 | CVirus | heh |
| 16:38.02 | Dave | oh noes! |
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| 16:39.36 | Dave | pink porpoises!? |
| 16:40.06 | Dave | speedevil |
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| 16:44.22 | kd8ikt | my mom is $#%#$%^ with my $#^3# |
| 16:44.27 | Dave | o_O |
| 16:44.29 | Dave | rut roh |
| 16:44.52 | Dave | she's in ur freerunner, droppin ur framerate? :p |
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| 16:45.50 | kd8ikt | i cant be in the same room as her |
| 16:45.56 | Dave | :x |
| 16:46.06 | kd8ikt | she's a total bitch |
| 16:47.00 | Dave | Spectacular. |
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| 16:47.14 | Dave | Anyway, back to mplayer. :P |
| 16:49.10 | Dave | Speedevil, my freerunner needs to be more Speedy :) |
| 16:51.39 | kd8ikt | yeah fuck smedia for the Nondisclosure crap |
| 16:51.44 | Dave | :( |
| 16:51.58 | Dave | whod' want to steal their shit anyway? |
| 16:52.33 | Zorkman | can't somebody join openmoko for one day?, sign the nda and wrtte some documentation |
| 16:52.34 | Zorkman | ? |
| 16:52.53 | Dave | haha |
| 16:52.59 | linuxxr | where is the images page? |
| 16:53.04 | Dave | Sure, just so long as they didn't publicize it. |
| 16:53.10 | Dave | linuxxr: Latest_Images |
| 16:53.21 | Dave | (last I checked) |
| 16:53.25 | Zorkman | they can writh their own documentation, based on the info of smedia, and that can be redistributed |
| 16:53.38 | Zorkman | (they say so on the mailinglist at least...) |
| 16:53.42 | Torikun1 | When I connect to my wifi point, the gui apps can not access the internet but opkg works fine. Any ideas? |
| 16:53.43 | Dave | kd8ikt: this is nice, but is there any additional way I could bump the framerate? |
| 16:53.58 | kd8ikt | hopefully they make lots and lots of comments int the glamo code Zorkman ;) |
| 16:54.07 | Dave | *cough* |
| 16:54.13 | Zorkman | Dave: try running in vga mode? |
| 16:54.17 | Zorkman | *qvga i mean |
| 16:54.31 | Dave | eh? |
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| 16:55.31 | jOERG_away | Zorkman: god luck on writing ~1500pp of doc during one afternoon - lol |
| 16:55.33 | kd8ikt | nothing worse then diging through source code thats uncommented |
| 16:55.55 | Zorkman | jOERG: they'll have to prove I didn't do it on one afternoon :po |
| 16:55.55 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: binary reverse engineering |
| 16:55.59 | kd8ikt | ort atleast inteligently commented |
| 16:56.12 | Zorkman | or can openmoko not hire someone with whatever minimum wage they have in taiwan? :d |
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| 16:56.21 | SpeedEvil | minimum wage won't cut it. |
| 16:56.22 | kd8ikt | i'll pass i have a hard enough time on sourcecode |
| 16:56.30 | SpeedEvil | You need _lots_ more than minimum wage. |
| 16:56.46 | SpeedEvil | In order to be able to do sensible rewriting of docs. |
| 16:56.47 | jOERG_away | Zorkman: you don't understand: you *have* to write new doc, you mustn't redistrbute smedia original one |
| 16:56.49 | kd8ikt | like inteligence |
| 16:56.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdfdb47a04eaa 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): Fix watches hashtable |
| 16:56.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rdd93bdcb18e3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input.vala): |
| 16:56.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) make watches read only |
| 16:56.55 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) Emit DBus signals with correct event source |
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| 16:57.26 | Zorkman | I mean minimumwage because this would in theory be communitysupported, like "if we had the docs we would do it for free, but we can't have em unless you hire us one way or another so we'll settle with minimumwage" |
| 16:57.26 | SpeedEvil | passes jOERG a OCR package, and a Sweedish Chef filter program. |
| 16:57.31 | Dave | ROFLBUGGED |
| 16:57.32 | kd8ikt | well if FIC would hire me i would gladly write open docs |
| 16:57.47 | Zorkman | jOERG_away: I do understand it |
| 16:57.58 | kd8ikt | and i'll do it for less than minimum wage |
| 16:58.12 | SpeedEvil | I won't. |
| 16:58.19 | SpeedEvil | That's a lot of mind-numbing work. |
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| 16:58.28 | Zorkman | but think of the children! |
| 16:58.47 | SpeedEvil | Not usually suitable payment. |
| 16:58.57 | Dave | jaja |
| 16:59.26 | cjb | SpeedEvil: the multitude of OLPC volunteers disagree with you ;-) |
| 16:59.32 | Zorkman | googles for taiwan and childlabor :-D |
| 17:00.24 | Dave | not in taiwan anyway |
| 17:00.24 | Zorkman | would there be a market for opensource sweatshops? |
| 17:00.27 | Dave | that's for teh cn |
| 17:00.33 | Dave | indonesie |
| 17:00.35 | Dave | KOREA |
| 17:00.38 | Dave | is big on that these days |
| 17:00.52 | Dave | guess who writes those third-party wireless drivers? |
| 17:00.55 | SpeedEvil | I've commented before that there are a large number of tasks worth >>$1/day to 'rich' consumers. |
| 17:00.59 | Dave | ten year old koreans locked in basements :P |
| 17:01.13 | Zorkman | according to "teh cn" taiwan is china :p |
| 17:01.16 | Dave | wealthy consumers, i.e. freerunner owners? :P |
| 17:01.23 | Dave | Zorkman, ask someone from china |
| 17:01.23 | SpeedEvil | Running remote vacuum cleaners, spam filtering, ... |
| 17:01.27 | SpeedEvil | Dave: yes |
| 17:01.28 | Dave | They'll disagree. |
| 17:01.30 | SpeedEvil | Dave: comparatively. |
| 17:01.38 | Dave | Speedevil, make my phone faster, please. |
| 17:01.49 | Dave | :) |
| 17:01.56 | kd8ikt | i think i can hear my mom yelling at me from 3 stories up |
| 17:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Dave: if you're watching your family not really eat most days, then all freerunner owners are rich. |
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| 17:02.06 | jOERG_away | Zorkman: you wouldn't think it's china when you look out oof the window here ;-) |
| 17:02.14 | Dave | Joerg :D |
| 17:02.16 | SpeedEvil | (unless you have children who are models) |
| 17:02.26 | Zorkman | yeah i know jOERG_away, was just joking (although the chinese are not :)) |
| 17:02.31 | Dave | Speedevil :) |
| 17:02.36 | Zorkman | thinks kd8ikt has a really big house |
| 17:02.37 | kd8ikt | what time is it in chino anywho? |
| 17:02.45 | SpeedEvil | -8? |
| 17:02.49 | SpeedEvil | 10AM? |
| 17:02.58 | SpeedEvil | Stupid unitary timezone. |
| 17:03.05 | jOERG_away | 01:03 AM |
| 17:03.08 | SpeedEvil | Close. |
| 17:03.08 | Dave | :D |
| 17:03.12 | Dave | haha |
| 17:03.16 | Zorkman | 1:00 in china now |
| 17:03.25 | kd8ikt | fuck its 1PM here |
| 17:03.26 | Dave | Joerg, HK? |
| 17:03.29 | Dave | kd8, yeah :[ |
| 17:03.31 | Dave | fuck |
| 17:03.43 | SpeedEvil | I was almost dead on. Only 3 minutes early, and left-shifted. |
| 17:03.46 | kd8ikt | i think i'm on china time cause i'm about to pass out |
| 17:03.55 | Dave | haha |
| 17:04.06 | Dave | Speedevil, how do I run it at 500MHz? |
| 17:04.09 | Dave | Is this on the wiki? |
| 17:04.14 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I don't know. |
| 17:04.24 | kd8ikt | yeah i heard the cpu can do 500mhz |
| 17:04.24 | SpeedEvil | Dave: well - I do know. |
| 17:04.27 | Dave | Yes you do! |
| 17:04.37 | Dave | You're witholding the truth from us! |
| 17:04.41 | Dave | You told me ages ago. |
| 17:04.45 | jOERG_away | Dave: don't think *you* run THAT fast :D |
| 17:04.46 | SpeedEvil | Dave: set the registers in the clock synth appropriately. |
| 17:04.50 | Dave | joerg :P |
| 17:04.51 | Dave | hey now |
| 17:05.05 | kd8ikt | i've never pllayed with a computer that handled freq scaling |
| 17:05.09 | SpeedEvil | And setup all of the other peripherals for that clock speed. |
| 17:05.14 | Dave | Speedevil, maybe it's not as simple as a uboot setting/option then? :| |
| 17:05.19 | SpeedEvil | Dave: it may be |
| 17:05.24 | Dave | That's what I thought it was. |
| 17:05.27 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5b4433fde672 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): add external style sheet and link to it. lets see whether this works from the wiki as well |
| 17:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Dave: I know you can do that on GTA01 |
| 17:05.30 | Dave | Bastard, stop trying to dissuade me :) |
| 17:05.34 | SpeedEvil | (though not to 500MHz) |
| 17:05.48 | SpeedEvil | Dave: try set speed at the uboot prompt |
| 17:05.56 | Dave | if I knew how, I would! |
| 17:06.03 | Dave | I have more than appropriate cooling. |
| 17:06.09 | Dave | ahah I almost wrote cooking :) |
| 17:06.24 | kd8ikt | invisions dave with his hands in a freezer |
| 17:06.31 | Dave | mmm |
| 17:06.32 | Dave | nice :) |
| 17:06.34 | Zorkman | feed the FR amphatamines |
| 17:06.34 | Zorkman | *amphetamines |
| 17:06.38 | linuxxr | ok im gonna install todays image |
| 17:06.40 | Dave | STIM PACKS |
| 17:06.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm going with the 'use a 7.2V battery' solution. |
| 17:06.53 | Dave | uhh |
| 17:07.00 | kd8ikt | round here we call that crank/ice/meth for short Zorkman |
| 17:07.01 | linuxxr | fry |
| 17:07.02 | Dave | rolls his eyes at Speedevil |
| 17:07.06 | Dave | haha |
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| 17:07.23 | jOERG_away | *yawn* |
| 17:07.27 | linuxxr | 63.6 mags |
| 17:07.39 | SpeedEvil | buys a nice inflatable for Dave. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7558129.stm |
| 17:08.01 | Dave | o.O |
| 17:08.06 | Dave | What now in the UK? |
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| 17:08.18 | Torikun1 | Anyone in San Francisco? |
| 17:08.35 | Dave | Yes, what do you want? |
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| 17:08.47 | Zorkman | ugh, mccarthy had an exposition here in belgium a couple of months ago also |
| 17:09.03 | kd8ikt | i keep getting this error compiling FSO image http://pastebin.com/d29be0d16 |
| 17:09.37 | Zorkman | *i clicked |
| 17:09.40 | Torikun1 | Gotta give a shout to my locals Dave |
| 17:09.41 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 17:09.42 | Zorkman | i don't see a mistake |
| 17:09.44 | Dave | roflforeigners |
| 17:09.47 | quickdev | kd8ikt, hrr :D |
| 17:09.52 | Dave | holla o/ |
| 17:10.02 | confidential | just to check; is it so that the audio problems(echo, gsm noises etc.) are related to the kernel, and that therefore they affect both openmoko and qtopia...? |
| 17:10.05 | Torikun1 | comeing live from 2nd and Bryant in SFO beotches |
| 17:10.07 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 17:10.15 | quickdev | kd8ikt, it's not a bug, it's a feature. |
| 17:10.18 | Dave | Torikun, come down to PA, and we'll have ourselves a bbq! |
| 17:10.30 | Torikun1 | lol and talk on our openmoko? |
| 17:10.34 | Dave | We'll even grill on my FR,... if I can get it to run at 500MHz :P |
| 17:10.47 | Zorkman | confidential: its called encryption, so that nobody, not even who you are calling, can decypher what you say |
| 17:11.08 | kd8ikt | not as bad as this build error http://pastebin.com/m1ef40edf |
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| 17:11.20 | Dave | haha |
| 17:11.59 | Dave | libmoo2 |
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| 17:12.17 | Dave | Joerg, where are you at? |
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| 17:12.35 | Dave | Also, you still haven't told me where we send money and gifts to you :) |
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| 17:13.20 | Zorkman | dave: he is in taipei |
| 17:13.25 | SpeedEvil | confidential: some of the noise at least is due to hardware, and cannot be fixed in software. |
| 17:14.01 | kd8ikt | you mean the noise my peeps hear on the other end of a call? |
| 17:14.02 | Zorkman | I just hope it won't be half a year before we can use it as a phone :( |
| 17:14.02 | SpeedEvil | confidential: it's possible there may exist a fix in the future in simple user-applied mods |
| 17:14.10 | SpeedEvil | kd8ikt: as I understand it, yes. |
| 17:14.11 | Dave | probably |
| 17:14.17 | kd8ikt | i figured that |
| 17:14.24 | Dave | honestly, if it worked as a portable media device at least then it'd have some pull |
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| 17:14.38 | Dave | Honestly, so far when viewing some nice images, the screen looks pretty sweet |
| 17:14.44 | kd8ikt | somethin is bound to go wrong when you place a GSM/GPS/WIFI/BLUEtooth radio together |
| 17:14.47 | Dave | but, so far the software blows. |
| 17:14.52 | Dave | kd8ikt no |
| 17:15.07 | Dave | Just when you put it in and then don't design anything else or give further considerations :D |
| 17:15.13 | Zorkman | other companies can do it :) |
| 17:15.16 | Dave | you radio freaks are just cranky |
| 17:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Dave: or test it |
| 17:15.26 | Dave | speedevil, right ;) |
| 17:15.29 | Dave | so at least it was understandable |
| 17:15.36 | Zorkman | testing is our job ;-) |
| 17:15.42 | Dave | the irony is I use it with external antennas for just about everything now |
| 17:15.47 | Dave | so it's kind of pointless |
| 17:15.48 | Zorkman | feel like a stundriver sometimes: ) |
| 17:15.55 | Dave | I even taped a wifi antenna onto the back of it |
| 17:16.09 | linuxxr | wham an your head hurts |
| 17:16.18 | Dave | head go boom |
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| 17:17.17 | kd8ikt | i have issues changing the wifi mac address and also with (re)associating wifi with one AP then swaping to another without reboot |
| 17:17.39 | Dave | weird |
| 17:17.41 | Dave | on what? |
| 17:17.45 | Dave | 2007? |
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| 17:18.00 | kd8ikt | for something thats supposed to be "open" it sure feels closed and limited |
| 17:18.13 | Dave | SUrprise! |
| 17:18.16 | Dave | That's because it is! |
| 17:18.35 | Dave | Speedevil, I have a 24V battery, will that help? >:) |
| 17:18.42 | linuxxr | smoke |
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| 17:20.08 | linuxxr | 20080813 coming up |
| 17:20.18 | Dave | ZOOM ZOOM |
| 17:20.28 | Dave | Impending bug wave /o/ |
| 17:20.37 | linuxxr | 9oooo nos |
| 17:20.38 | Dave | \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ |
| 17:21.07 | linuxxr | might just work |
| 17:23.37 | Infoport | wow, 2008.8 doesn't like just using the same wpa_supplicant.conf, so I guess I'll have to learn more that it too |
| 17:24.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0b17179d672a 10/html/index.html: add index.html (not autogenerated) |
| 17:24.19 | Dave | heh |
| 17:25.42 | Infoport | how about those of us with a Ghia? (o=v=o) |
| 17:26.28 | Dave | What? |
| 17:26.37 | Dave | Sounds like a nutritional deficiency. |
| 17:26.53 | Infoport | Dave: hey, you're the one spreading bugs |
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| 17:27.06 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4073b44f2ed7 10/odeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix DBus introspection in Input and IdleNotifier plugins |
| 17:27.21 | Dave | hahaha |
| 17:27.23 | Dave | hides |
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| 17:28.40 | tgz | is anyone in virginia using a freerunner? I'd like to see the phone but I figure asking to receive a demo is probably out of the question |
| 17:29.03 | tgz | that is, demo unit. |
| 17:29.14 | Infoport | cga: here is my newest attempt...I still couldn't figure out how to check the count of devices, to make sure you pick a number that exists. |
| 17:29.24 | tgz | but, maybe there's a possibility of catching someone nearby that might show me theirs |
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| 17:29.38 | Infoport | cga: http://pastey.net/93701 |
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| 17:29.46 | cga | Infoport, that is already implemented with select |
| 17:30.02 | cga | oh no |
| 17:30.06 | cga | my mistake |
| 17:30.12 | cga | select if for backup |
| 17:30.40 | Dave | cga! |
| 17:30.44 | Dave | pokes xeros |
| 17:30.50 | cga | Dave, ! |
| 17:30.54 | Pyrasi | tgz....im in kentucky.....if you wana drive over =P |
| 17:31.02 | Dave | :D |
| 17:31.07 | Dave | Pyrasi: moo? |
| 17:31.16 | tgz | Pyrasi: heh |
| 17:31.58 | tgz | thanks for the offer, but I have to go through WV to get there....kinda scary |
| 17:32.05 | Infoport | cga, Dave: i'm going to head out for a bit, and then be back (so no solutions from me for a while, also no extra bugs which aren't in my driveway) |
| 17:32.11 | Pyrasi | WV is long and full of toll roads |
| 17:32.23 | Pyrasi | I wouldnt recommend it |
| 17:32.29 | tgz | well, I don't have to worry about the tolls, I'd have to walk (no car) |
| 17:32.30 | cga | Infoport, if CONTINUE is always true why don't use while true; do ? |
| 17:32.46 | Pyrasi | haha....yea.....that might be a bit of a long walk =P |
| 17:32.49 | tgz | cga: say that 3 times fast |
| 17:32.54 | Infoport | cga: can you still see the previous dialog window, or does it not follow nick changes? |
| 17:33.00 | cga | Infoport, anyway select does that by default |
| 17:33.12 | cga | even without while do |
| 17:33.28 | cga | you should try before modifying :P |
| 17:33.39 | Infoport | cga: because you added a quit choice and exit and it wasnt really needed (I just put ours together |
| 17:34.15 | Dave | Infoport :P |
| 17:34.26 | Infoport | cga: oh...you said you wanted to loop back after a backup and it didn't...I should have tested it first, sorry |
| 17:34.29 | Dave | Infoport, shall I leave some for you when you return? :D |
| 17:34.32 | Dave | I've found three so far :P |
| 17:34.33 | cga | Infoport, anyway thanks alot for your involvement and efforts. not like Dave XD |
| 17:35.08 | Infoport | Dave: cga said it was "finished" a bit back...I'm adding "features" |
| 17:35.15 | cga | heading to grannies for dinner.. see you later folks |
| 17:35.27 | Dave | It's never finished! |
| 17:35.31 | Dave | Bye cga ;p |
| 17:35.39 | Zorkman | bye |
| 17:35.41 | Dave | Whatever country you come from. |
| 17:35.47 | cga | italy |
| 17:35.48 | Zorkman | is the script already on the wiki? |
| 17:35.49 | Dave | Zorkman, hoe gaat het? |
| 17:35.55 | Infoport | Dave: sure, just mix the lines when you're done, and i'll figure out the puzzle XD |
| 17:35.57 | Dave | I-T-A-L-I-A! |
| 17:36.02 | Zorkman | gezwind Dave :) |
| 17:36.02 | cga | no Zorkman we want to "finish" it before |
| 17:36.08 | Dave | Infoport, haha naughty, okay :p |
| 17:36.10 | Zorkman | k, np, just informing |
| 17:36.13 | Zorkman | gonna go eat |
| 17:36.15 | Dave | Zorkmann :D |
| 17:36.22 | Dave | jaja |
| 17:36.24 | Infoport | bbl ! |
| 17:36.30 | Dave | snakkes |
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| 17:38.28 | Infoport | cga: thanks for gives us credit in the script too, even though we just added to your work |
| 17:38.55 | cga | i don't find the word in english to say it |
| 17:39.02 | cga | it's ought |
| 17:39.28 | Infoport | fair enough...still, thanks! |
| 17:40.15 | cga | thank you all for support help and code |
| 17:40.33 | cga | espcially Dave for the hex to name thingy lol |
| 17:40.50 | Dave | Sure |
| 17:40.53 | Dave | I hope to finish it later |
| 17:40.55 | Dave | THEN FINISH YOU! |
| 17:41.07 | cga | Dave, :P |
| 17:41.09 | Dave | We'll see, I have afternoon meetings like a motherfucker. |
| 17:41.11 | Dave | :P |
| 17:41.16 | Dave | I am hoping to escape. |
| 17:41.36 | cga | Dave, anyway my collegue aubba implemented it already today in spare time |
| 17:41.47 | cga | we can compare the two versions |
| 17:41.47 | Dave | :[ |
| 17:41.50 | Dave | fine |
| 17:42.32 | cga | i didn't mean to hurt you sorry but we talked about it and he offered help |
| 17:42.37 | Dave | fine :P |
| 17:42.39 | cga | and code |
| 17:42.50 | Dave | I'll just have to port your code, and make my own version, like an asshole :P |
| 17:42.56 | Dave | and it'll be better than yours! ;p |
| 17:42.56 | cga | lol |
| 17:42.57 | Torikun1 | Dave , drink some coffee and recharge lol |
| 17:43.00 | Dave | eww |
| 17:43.10 | Torikun1 | My code has bigger comments than yours! j/k |
| 17:43.10 | Dave | pours boiling coffee on Torikun's lap. |
| 17:43.13 | cga | damn forker! |
| 17:43.16 | Dave | ;p |
| 17:43.19 | Torikun1 | burns to a crisp |
| 17:43.27 | Dave | and smells bad, too :P |
| 17:43.34 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 17:43.55 | Torikun1 | When I do my next show, I will talkabout the openmoko in depth |
| 17:44.28 | Dave | show? |
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| 17:44.40 | Torikun1 | http://rusher.webhop.org:69/podcast |
| 17:44.41 | Dave | oh, because you're a podcast whore? |
| 17:44.46 | Dave | yeah, prettymuch. |
| 17:44.49 | Dave | ~_~ |
| 17:44.49 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 17:45.01 | Torikun1 | I will give you a shout dave |
| 17:45.01 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 17:45.27 | Torikun1 | discuss our issues |
| 17:45.32 | Dave | \o/ |
| 17:45.34 | Dave | I'll give you a beer :) |
| 17:45.37 | Dave | If you'd like it. |
| 17:45.44 | Torikun1 | I only drink liquor |
| 17:45.46 | Torikun1 | lol |
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| 17:47.17 | Dave | ;p |
| 17:47.26 | Dave | sherry or bourbon? |
| 17:47.37 | Torikun1 | Soju / vodka |
| 17:47.43 | Dave | oh haha |
| 17:47.45 | Dave | bleh |
| 17:47.50 | Dave | I'd hope, not toghether! |
| 17:47.50 | Dave | ah |
| 17:47.54 | Torikun1 | nope lol |
| 17:48.01 | Torikun1 | First time Ifound soju in the US |
| 17:48.10 | Torikun1 | drank it a log when I lived in korea |
| 17:48.13 | Torikun1 | *lot |
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| 17:48.20 | Dave | makes sense |
| 17:48.24 | Dave | pesky koreans... |
| 17:48.26 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 17:48.33 | Dave | We'll have to have a talk about that later, mister... |
| 17:48.34 | Dave | :P |
| 17:49.16 | cga | Infoport, ? |
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| 17:54.28 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r104a29881c71 10/opimd/ (helpers.py pimd_contacts.py): |
| 17:54.28 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Replaced some null-returns by proper exceptions |
| 17:54.28 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Renamed methods of the contact query interface (e.g. GetEntryAndAdvance() to GetContact()) |
| 17:54.28 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented GetMultipleFields() among others |
| 17:54.31 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Renamed the .ContactsEntry and .ContactsQuery interfaces to .Contact and .ContactQuery |
| 17:54.33 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed erroneous cursor incrementation in ContactEntry() class |
| 17:54.35 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rb25d9f84aaf9 10/odeviced/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/openmoko-gsoc2008 |
| 17:55.55 | khaije1 | can't wait for the day when the worlds most powerful computer will be a flashmob of neos |
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| 17:57.21 | phrozen77 | http://www.our-picks.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/iphonesmartphone.jpg |
| 17:57.22 | phrozen77 | ^lol |
| 17:59.35 | str4nd | old. |
| 18:02.23 | Torikun1 | ha |
| 18:02.29 | Torikun1 | That is so before 3G |
| 18:02.30 | Torikun1 | lol |
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| 18:02.59 | SpeedEvil | 3G is a fake, it doesn't really exist. It's a consipracy. |
| 18:03.04 | SpeedEvil | This is why the FR doesn't have it. |
| 18:03.10 | confidential | which is better usable as a normal phone(om2008.8, the daily builds or qtopia) ? |
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| 18:03.51 | Torikun1 | confidential: 20080811 |
| 18:04.02 | Torikun1 | I am using it as a normal phone and it is stable |
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| 18:04.50 | Torikun1 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080811/ |
| 18:05.02 | confidential | Torikun1: would you recommend it over qtopia...? |
| 18:05.07 | Torikun1 | Hell yeagh |
| 18:05.16 | Torikun1 | i went from qtopia to 20080811 |
| 18:05.29 | Torikun1 | actually, download the latest release http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080813/openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 18:06.02 | Torikun1 | and you have to get the kernel ofcourse http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 18:06.31 | Pyrasi | Torikun. Have you noticed that some apps dont seem to refresh correctly on that build? For instance, tangogps is unusable |
| 18:07.07 | confidential | Torikun1: ok, I think I'll try that then, even though qtopia seems pretty stable atm... |
| 18:07.31 | confidential | are there video playback yet? |
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| 18:08.05 | Torikun1 | dunno |
| 18:08.18 | Zorkman | Torikun1: and what about suspend? does it work/not brake sound |
| 18:08.26 | Torikun1 | works great |
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| 18:09.08 | Dominus | How about GPRS? |
| 18:09.14 | Torikun1 | it worked |
| 18:09.23 | Dominus | Promising! |
| 18:09.46 | Zorkman | indeed |
| 18:10.58 | Dave | zork zork zork |
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| 18:11.22 | Zorkman | soep eet je met een |
| 18:11.25 | confidential | Torikun1: How about GUI wifi handling? |
| 18:11.34 | Torikun1 | it has it |
| 18:11.36 | Torikun1 | works |
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| 18:11.42 | confidential | not unstable? |
| 18:11.48 | Dave | :] |
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| 18:12.19 | Zorkman | Torikun1: you running it from flash or from SD? because somethimes 2008.8 corrupts my SD |
| 18:12.26 | Dave | It's just as stable as all the openmoko developers here! ;) |
| 18:12.46 | Torikun1 | flash |
| 18:12.53 | Torikun1 | reflashing now actually |
| 18:13.11 | Dave | flash it baby! |
| 18:13.21 | Torikun1 | Dave: 20080813 is released |
| 18:13.26 | Dave | So? |
| 18:13.57 | Torikun1 | flash baby! |
| 18:14.03 | Dave | crack |
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| 18:16.42 | confidential | are there any wiki pages on the daily builds? |
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| 18:17.10 | Dave | Latest_Images ? |
| 18:18.12 | linuxxr | torikun does it have the tango or something? |
| 18:18.24 | Torikun1 | you have to install tango on all images |
| 18:18.28 | linuxxr | ok |
| 18:18.39 | linuxxr | i have the 0813 image |
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| 18:21.23 | quickdev | Is someone interested in testing a zhone patch in order to fix a trac bug of fso milestone 3? |
| 18:22.09 | linuxxr | i lost rimging asfter suspend |
| 18:22.13 | linuxxr | n |
| 18:22.32 | linuxxr | oo |
| 18:22.35 | CVirus | linuxxr: white screen ? |
| 18:22.41 | linuxxr | it says vibrate only |
| 18:22.48 | linuxxr | no |
| 18:23.01 | CVirus | linuxxr: how how long was it in suspend ? |
| 18:23.19 | linuxxr | 10 sec |
| 18:23.32 | CVirus | did you intentionally resume it ? |
| 18:23.35 | linuxxr | i will test 2 minuits |
| 18:23.39 | CVirus | please do |
| 18:23.41 | linuxxr | nope |
| 18:23.48 | linuxxr | ok |
| 18:23.59 | CVirus | it resumed automatically after 10 seconds ! |
| 18:24.24 | CVirus | ? |
| 18:24.31 | linuxxr | no |
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| 18:24.41 | CVirus | ah you got a call ? |
| 18:24.44 | Torikun1 | flash is finishged |
| 18:25.13 | linuxxr | settins suspend 10 sec |
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| 18:25.37 | CVirus | linuxxr: I mean how long did it stay in suspend ? |
| 18:25.49 | linuxxr | setting suspend 10 sec an will push power button after 1 mnin |
| 18:26.19 | CVirus | I don't get it .... I don't own a freerunner so I don't understand what would this do exacly |
| 18:26.21 | CVirus | exactly* |
| 18:26.52 | linuxxr | shes out |
| 18:26.59 | CVirus | ! |
| 18:27.08 | CVirus | white screen ? |
| 18:27.14 | linuxxr | nope |
| 18:27.18 | linuxxr | black |
| 18:27.26 | CVirus | damn |
| 18:27.30 | linuxxr | why |
| 18:27.40 | CVirus | isn't this bad ? |
| 18:27.48 | CVirus | what black screen are you talking about ? |
| 18:27.54 | linuxxr | not in suspend its not |
| 18:28.11 | linuxxr | ok ima press power |
| 18:28.35 | CVirus | to resume ? |
| 18:28.41 | linuxxr | callimng phone |
| 18:29.06 | linuxxr | works |
| 18:29.10 | CVirus | WHAT WORKS ? |
| 18:29.34 | CVirus | will you be a bit more desctptive ? |
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| 18:29.38 | CVirus | descriptive* |
| 18:29.39 | linuxxr | sound works still |
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| 18:30.04 | CVirus | jumps out of the window |
| 18:30.36 | linuxxr | the sound still works when a woke the freerunner from suspend an recieved a call the sound worked |
| 18:31.08 | CVirus | for how many minutes was it in suspend ? |
| 18:31.28 | linuxxr | ok i will check the sound while recieveing a call while in suspend |
| 18:31.40 | linuxxr | 1 minuit rember? |
| 18:31.53 | CVirus | linuxxr: wasn't this what you just did ? |
| 18:31.57 | linuxxr | short term mem? |
| 18:32.10 | linuxxr | read again |
| 18:32.19 | CVirus | is English your native language ? |
| 18:32.44 | linuxxr | it was as u sugessted "i woke the freerunner an then called it |
| 18:32.49 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 18:33.03 | CVirus | now let's see if the incoming call will wake it properly or not |
| 18:33.37 | linuxxr | ok its been sleeping for 3 min |
| 18:33.45 | linuxxr | call me |
| 18:33.57 | CVirus | where do you live ? |
| 18:34.08 | CVirus | I can't make internation calls |
| 18:34.09 | linuxxr | ever been snipe hunting? |
| 18:34.13 | CVirus | international* |
| 18:34.26 | CVirus | no |
| 18:34.41 | CVirus | lol |
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| 18:35.33 | linuxxr | well i shot 1 onch |
| 18:35.56 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 18:36.09 | CVirus | linuxxr: did the bitch resume properly ? |
| 18:36.21 | Pyrasi | on the 080811 image i had my fr in suspend for 8 hours and it awoke to a call and worked fine |
| 18:36.30 | Pyrasi | so i assume the 080813 is just as good |
| 18:36.35 | Pyrasi | (if not better) |
| 18:36.38 | CVirus | Pyrasi: this sounds amazing |
| 18:36.57 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 18:36.59 | CVirus | Pyrasi: how long will it last while suspend/resume is working properly ? |
| 18:37.31 | Pyrasi | with gsm on and in suspend...it looked like it was eating around 2-2.5% battery per hour |
| 18:37.43 | CVirus | hmm |
| 18:38.23 | Pyrasi | so pretty good id think. |
| 18:38.26 | CVirus | yeah |
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| 18:38.35 | CVirus | it will get better by time I guess |
| 18:38.43 | CVirus | Pyrasi: you think it can be used reliably now ? |
| 18:38.43 | quickdev | Pyrasi, good? 2.5 % per hour aren't two days or am I wrong? |
| 18:38.50 | CVirus | on dialy basis I mean |
| 18:38.58 | CVirus | quickdev: 35-40 hours |
| 18:39.09 | quickdev | CVirus, yes |
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| 18:39.44 | Pyrasi | i was using it as a phone for about 30 hours (i did recharge in that time frame) and it was working fine |
| 18:39.57 | Pyrasi | then i went and messed up by build...so im not sure if it would have kept working or not |
| 18:40.10 | CVirus | Pyrasi: how long does it take to fully charge it ? |
| 18:41.00 | Pyrasi | uhh...same as it does on all the other builds....just depends on what rate you tell it to charge it |
| 18:41.29 | Pyrasi | i was only charging it at 500 ma and had it on with no suspend so it wasnt charging very quickly |
| 18:41.39 | CVirus | I see |
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| 18:42.11 | Pyrasi | somehow i doubt it would actually get 35-40 hours though....id say 30 hours would probably be the limit atm |
| 18:42.34 | Pyrasi | but it is certainly promising |
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| 18:43.45 | CVirus | 30 hours is not bad at all |
| 18:43.52 | CVirus | we're still in the very early stages |
| 18:44.15 | quickdev | CVirus, 30 hours is acceptable, for me :) |
| 18:44.19 | CVirus | same |
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| 18:47.06 | Pyrasi | only problems i have found with the new images (after i downloaded the xglamo library for hardware accel) are: a.) sometimes gtk applications (namely tangogps) dont seem to refresh correctly....not sure why, b.) the resume seems to take longer to finish than on 2008.8, and c.) I cant figure out how to get the little wrench back at the top of illume for the config options! Guess I'll have to edit the edje file |
| 18:48.25 | Pyrasi | but most everything else works well. the gsmhandset.state file is set up much better by default....i didnt have to go in and edit it....calls sounded fine without me editing it. And the red light works correctly (being the most noticible). Oh and on the settings program, the wifi tab works. |
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| 18:49.04 | Zorkman | Pyrasi: did made a call to another cellphone? |
| 18:49.17 | Zorkman | the other side always hears interference when I'm talking |
| 18:49.24 | CVirus | Pyrasi: how long does it take to resume ? |
| 18:49.24 | toggles_w | Pyrasi: what build? |
| 18:49.43 | CVirus | 080811 I guess |
| 18:49.47 | Pyrasi | about 3 seconds i think |
| 18:50.08 | Pyrasi | 080811 upgraded to 080812 is what im using....but im sure 080813 will work fine too |
| 18:50.58 | Pyrasi | yea...i made a call. The interference has never been very bad for me though....but it was certainly less so.....but thats just because of the mods to the .state file im sure |
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| 18:51.26 | Zorkman | I never hear any interference, but the other side does :( |
| 18:51.40 | toggles_w | Pyrasi: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/openmoko-devel-image-om-gta02.tar.gz ? |
| 18:51.49 | Pyrasi | I've never had anyone complain about the interference very much. |
| 18:52.03 | Pyrasi | no |
| 18:52.25 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.28 | SpeedEvil | At least some of the GSM noise appears to be in hardware. See <000d01c8fc98dd03b60@STEVELAPTOP> on the hardware mailing list. The RF from the GSM modem is leaking into the audio path. No fix as yet has been worked out, engineers are working on this issue ATM. It's possible there may be a solution with copper-tape or similar. |
| 18:52.30 | Pyrasi | is what i would try were i you |
| 18:52.41 | toggles_w | Pyrasi: thanks |
| 18:52.44 | SpeedEvil | It's plausible that units vary in their sensitivity. |
| 18:52.45 | confidential | hmm, I just flashed the 20080813 build and I can't seem to get usb network to work... "no route to host when trying to connect with ssh" |
| 18:52.52 | Pyrasi | reboot |
| 18:52.56 | SpeedEvil | Also that it may vary depending on your distance to the GSM tower. |
| 18:52.57 | Pyrasi | it will work after reboot |
| 18:53.26 | Pyrasi | i think because the usb networking got moved to a module, it doesnt get loaded on first boot |
| 18:53.40 | confidential | oh, ok:P |
| 18:54.55 | confidential | but is the only way of shutting it down just holding the power button until it just cuts the power or whatever? |
| 18:55.04 | Pyrasi | yea.... =/ |
| 18:55.12 | SpeedEvil | confidential: pulling the battery too |
| 18:55.18 | Pyrasi | thats another thing that is bad about this build....the external buttons dont do anything |
| 18:55.37 | Pyrasi | other than press to resume and hold to cut power |
| 18:55.45 | Pyrasi | the screen locking doesnt work |
| 18:56.46 | Pyrasi | someone explained this build to me as an abortion of FSO and ASU accidently built together....so you get the theme from FSO with alot of the ASU stuff. |
| 18:56.55 | Pyrasi | but hey....works alright for me =P |
| 18:57.06 | linuxxr | ok its suspended lone enough |
| 18:57.31 | linuxxr | 20080813 |
| 18:57.42 | linuxxr | 30 minuits i guess |
| 18:58.02 | linuxxr | ima gonna call ther device |
| 18:58.08 | Pyrasi | good luck =) |
| 18:58.54 | linuxxr | should i bring it out first or try in suspend first? |
| 18:59.46 | confidential | is running "opkg upgrade" frequently a good idea on the daily builds? |
| 19:00.05 | bipak_ | have anyone of you ordered his FR from pulster.de? |
| 19:00.12 | linuxxr | it worked while in suspend for 30+ minuits |
| 19:00.30 | Pyrasi | =) |
| 19:00.39 | Pyrasi | yea....i run opkg upgrade every night on mine |
| 19:00.58 | linuxxr | no opkg yet at all |
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| 19:01.16 | Pyrasi | make sure to opkg install xserver-kdrive-glamo when you flash that one btw |
| 19:01.22 | Pyrasi | it will speed up the rendering a bit |
| 19:01.48 | linuxxr | any deficet? |
| 19:02.48 | Pyrasi | oh and if you want the graphical installer, it is installed, but the .desktop file sets it to load in the config menu which you cant get to. So you need to edit the /usr/share/applications/assassin.desktop and change to Categories:Office; |
| 19:02.53 | Pyrasi | or something of that nature |
| 19:03.33 | linuxxr | i didnt upgrade the kernel |
| 19:04.09 | linuxxr | well thats good to know |
| 19:04.47 | Pyrasi | i would upgrade the kernel too if i were you.....it seemed quite a bit more stable to me |
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| 19:08.05 | linuxxr | i can see me access point an someone elses |
| 19:08.30 | linuxxr | i guess a web browser is in order |
| 19:08.40 | Pyrasi | minimo worked well for me |
| 19:08.46 | CVirus | wifi is working ? |
| 19:09.04 | Pyrasi | i was actually connected to a wireless network and chatting in irc on pidgin on my freerunner last night |
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| 19:09.18 | linuxxr | opkg update-upgrade will install all software including tango an such? |
| 19:09.24 | Pyrasi | no |
| 19:09.29 | linuxxr | ok |
| 19:09.34 | Pyrasi | tango didnt work well for me |
| 19:09.40 | Pyrasi | unfortunately |
| 19:09.44 | linuxxr | wifi-lint? |
| 19:09.50 | CVirus | cool |
| 19:09.51 | linuxxr | or? |
| 19:10.09 | Pyrasi | lint-wifi runs...and see my AP...but i couldnt get it to connect to one |
| 19:10.14 | linuxxr | cvirus are u a dev? |
| 19:10.16 | Pyrasi | i think it might because i dont know what button to press |
| 19:10.25 | CVirus | linuxxr: OM dev you mean ? no |
| 19:10.38 | linuxxr | virus dev? |
| 19:10.42 | CVirus | no |
| 19:10.51 | CVirus | I know some python and java |
| 19:10.51 | linuxxr | comon now |
| 19:10.54 | CVirus | ! |
| 19:11.03 | CVirus | echo "troll off" > linuxxr |
| 19:11.21 | linuxxr | ahh |
| 19:11.31 | linuxxr | i shut up |
| 19:11.44 | CVirus | please :-) |
| 19:12.06 | ieatlint | lint-wifi has been on the back burner... i'll be porting it to c very soon and removing a lot of bloat |
| 19:12.33 | linuxxr | ok |
| 19:13.13 | Pyrasi | ieatlint, how do you actually tell it to connect to an AP? |
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| 19:13.38 | ieatlint | you don't |
| 19:13.44 | Pyrasi | i can see my WEP AP, and i put in the passphrase....but it doesnt seem to connect....is there another button im supposed to press? |
| 19:13.46 | linuxxr | lolol |
| 19:13.50 | Pyrasi | lol |
| 19:13.56 | Pyrasi | well that would explain it i guess |
| 19:14.02 | ieatlint | no, it wouldn't :P |
| 19:14.13 | ieatlint | there is a number of bugs, which is why it's not connecting |
| 19:14.28 | ieatlint | but there is no "connect" button because there is no real connect option |
| 19:14.28 | linuxxr | bug # 1 |
| 19:14.37 | ieatlint | it's a front end for wpa_supplicant |
| 19:14.54 | ieatlint | and wpa_supplicant works by going "ok, here is a list of aps i can connect to, which ones can i see" |
| 19:15.05 | ieatlint | and it then pics an ap based on encryption and signal strength |
| 19:15.18 | linuxxr | yay |
| 19:15.19 | Pyrasi | oh....so it wont work with WEP then? |
| 19:15.30 | ieatlint | lint-wifi is supposed to aid in configuring APs that it can connect to |
| 19:15.35 | ieatlint | no, it'll work with wep |
| 19:15.47 | ieatlint | wpa_supplicant supports all wifi auth schemes, including none/open |
| 19:16.15 | linuxxr | so can we have a wpa_supplicant:) |
| 19:17.12 | ieatlint | anyway, part of me thinks i should abandon it and create a custom interface to network manager, as that's apparently what things are heading towards (2008.8 has netman, i'm told) |
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| 19:18.22 | unknown_lamer | I thought the future was connman? |
| 19:18.39 | unknown_lamer | netmanager looks dumb ... connman looks dumb but less dumb |
| 19:19.07 | Pyrasi | i havent seen connman...but ive never thought netman looked dum |
| 19:19.21 | confidential | ok, so I got no gsm dialog after boot. Is there a way to bring it up manually? |
| 19:19.34 | Pyrasi | gsm dialog? |
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| 19:19.39 | ieatlint | netman is as much a backend as a frontend |
| 19:19.44 | confidential | ping dialog* |
| 19:19.48 | confidential | pin** |
| 19:19.50 | ieatlint | so if you mean literally "looks dumb", then a different frontend is what you want |
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| 19:20.00 | Pyrasi | oh...i dont know anything about that...my sim doesnt have a pin |
| 19:20.26 | ieatlint | confidential, try accessing the dialer |
| 19:20.39 | ieatlint | i've heard of a bug where the pin dialog won't pop up until you do |
| 19:21.02 | linuxxr | nothing wrong with that |
| 19:21.06 | peter__b | anyone here running his own opk feed server ? |
| 19:22.01 | ieatlint | anyway, lint-wifi was put on hold due to pygtk's disappearance, and then by the possibility that it may be wholly useless in the near future |
| 19:22.21 | linuxxr | i was going to but then i saw this dude(i think) with a name cvirus ,,,i got over it |
| 19:22.54 | confidential | ieatlint: opening the dialer didn't give me the dialog. Neither did making a call(only got error message) |
| 19:23.06 | CVirus | linuxxr: what's with my nickname ? |
| 19:23.19 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.28 | ieatlint | confidential, what image are you using? (eg, 2008.8) |
| 19:23.32 | Mohamed | better .. heh ? |
| 19:23.42 | confidential | ieatlint: 20080813 |
| 19:24.04 | Mohamed | http://www.nokia.com/A4879144 |
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| 19:25.05 | ieatlint | confidential, well, my only suggestion would be to try a reboot if you haven't already |
| 19:25.14 | ieatlint | then try to open the dialer once more if it doesn't prompt |
| 19:25.31 | ieatlint | sometimes a firstboot sets up configuration files and the like but doesn't immediately use them |
| 19:26.19 | confidential | this was my second boot... |
| 19:26.37 | ieatlint | well, then i dunno :P |
| 19:26.50 | linuxxr | killer |
| 19:26.54 | ieatlint | wait a few and repost the question here, or hit up the mailing lists |
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| 19:51.43 | spdr_ | is there any bug that include cpu spiking from events/0 ? |
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| 19:54.39 | spdr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.39 | spdr_ | 17.9 0.0 24:27.58 events/0 |
| 19:54.43 | spdr_ | bad sign ? |
| 19:55.00 | lollydays | anyone else getting texts messages with content like this: @@#$ |
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| 20:06.35 | cga | bipak_, i bought from pulster |
| 20:08.41 | ozzloy | how do i get the freedom bt kb connected to the fr? |
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| 20:14.19 | ozzloy | i'm doing hidd --search and getting nothing |
| 20:14.22 | ozzloy | returns immediately like the bt on the fr isn't actually scanning |
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| 20:18.52 | ozzloy | Pyrasi: i did. that's where i got the command "hidd --search" from |
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| 20:20.36 | ozzloy | it looks like it's not powering up properly according to this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Power_it_up |
| 20:20.47 | ozzloy | but idk how to troubleshoot now |
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| 20:26.49 | linuxxr | 41.196.143.21 IS BLACKLISTED AT: |
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| 20:27.04 | linuxxr | man |
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| 20:27.55 | torpor | wassup |
| 20:28.14 | torpor | whats the best thing to run these days, still scaredy's image? |
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| 20:28.32 | torpor | i got qtopia on my neo1973 and still om2007.2 on my fr .. what should i try next? |
| 20:28.44 | torpor | ideally, the same image/distro for both would be nice.. so .. scaredy? |
| 20:29.13 | linuxxr | mee too |
| 20:31.08 | undrwater | fso? |
| 20:31.12 | undrwater | on SD? |
| 20:31.56 | undrwater | does anyone know how to turn off the wifi radio in qtopia? |
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| 20:35.33 | TAsn | undrwater, sure, put it in a farady cage. |
| 20:36.28 | TAsn | *faraday |
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| 20:36.43 | torpor | yeah, ideally on SD would be nice .. |
| 20:36.57 | torpor | ~seen ScaredyCat |
| 20:37.00 | apt | scaredycat <n=andy@net-pbx.demon.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 34d 10h 58m 21s ago, saying: 'igo stowaway polz'. |
| 20:37.05 | undrwater | TAsn: and wear tinfoil on my head? |
| 20:37.47 | TAsn | undrwater, no need for that since you will be outside of the cage only the moko will be inside. |
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| 20:49.20 | ozzloy | does bluetooth just not work in 2008.8? |
| 20:50.38 | torpor | very little works in 2008.8 |
| 20:50.55 | ozzloy | well bummer |
| 20:50.55 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.00 | ieatlint | have you tried turning on the bt controller? |
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| 20:51.33 | ozzloy | ieatlint: i did this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Power_it_up |
| 20:51.37 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.49 | ieatlint | both lines? the reset as well? |
| 20:52.04 | ozzloy | ieatlint: yep |
| 20:52.26 | ozzloy | they both return immediately |
| 20:52.32 | ieatlint | and when you do "hcitool scan" does it try and search? |
| 20:52.42 | Wonka | if you do a "lsusb" on the FR, you should see such a line: |
| 20:52.43 | Wonka | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 20:52.57 | ozzloy | ieatlint: returns immediately, no such device |
| 20:53.12 | ieatlint | and "hciconfig hci0" ? |
| 20:53.15 | ozzloy | Device is not available: No such device |
| 20:53.43 | Wonka | if not, it could be a usb problem or the device has no power |
| 20:53.43 | ozzloy | Can't get device info: No such device |
| 20:54.00 | ieatlint | yeah, the kernel modules aren't loaded most likely |
| 20:54.11 | Wonka | ieatlint: the usb kernel modules? |
| 20:54.22 | ieatlint | the bluetooth kernel modules i would guess |
| 20:54.27 | ozzloy | modprobe somethingbluetooth |
| 20:54.39 | Wonka | ieatlint: then, at least the usb device should show up in `lsusb` |
| 20:54.49 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.00 | ieatlint | "modprobe bluetooth" |
| 20:55.05 | ozzloy | Wonka: i think he wasn't addressing you at first |
| 20:55.10 | Wonka | and udev should load hci_usb automatically |
| 20:55.14 | ieatlint | bluez is the stack, not the driver |
| 20:55.34 | ozzloy | bluetooth and bluez not found |
| 20:55.59 | ieatlint | when you upgraded to 2008.8, did you upgrade the kernel as well, or just the rootfs image? |
| 20:56.15 | ozzloy | i flashed everything |
| 20:56.23 | ozzloy | even u-boot |
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| 20:56.53 | ieatlint | well, you've something weird going on, and it's not 2008.8 |
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| 20:57.10 | ozzloy | interesting. i'll redo it all |
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| 20:57.36 | ieatlint | try just the kernel |
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| 20:57.58 | Wonka | does anyone read me? ;) |
| 20:58.03 | lindi- | anybody knows matchbox-keyboard like program that could be transparent and cover the whole screen? |
| 20:58.14 | lindi- | or should i start hacking transparency support to matchbox-keyboard? |
| 20:58.19 | Wonka | the driver module for the usb bluetooth adapter hardware is named "hci_usb" |
| 20:58.25 | Infoport | hi all! |
| 20:58.29 | undrwater | lindi-: or a handwriting recognition that uses whole screen ;) |
| 20:58.36 | lindi- | undrwater: that too |
| 20:58.42 | lindi- | undrwater: but i feel qwerty will be faster |
| 20:58.43 | Wonka | and it should be loaded automatically by udev, as soon as the device shows up |
| 20:59.28 | ieatlint | Wonka, i read you, but modprobe'ing bluetooth will do the same |
| 20:59.39 | ieatlint | when you try to load it, it'll pull in the dependency modules |
| 21:00.05 | undrwater | lindi-: yep... |
| 21:00.11 | Wonka | ieatlint: er. hci_usb depends on bluetooth, not the other way around |
| 21:00.21 | Infoport | I'd like to switch back and forth (with a top shelp panel app) between the 2008.8 keyboardf and the matchbox keyboard. NOT cycle through it along with the 4 pieces 2008.8 has, but be able to choose it instead on the fly. arrow keys would be nice to repeat commands in ternal on the go |
| 21:00.21 | Wonka | hci_usb 13980 2 |
| 21:00.22 | Wonka | bluetooth 54400 9 bnep,rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,hci_usb |
| 21:00.22 | ozzloy | http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin to be sure, this is the right kernel, right? |
| 21:01.15 | ieatlint | hah, oops :) |
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| 21:03.11 | Infoport | so now I read Dave is going to fork the script I've been helping cga with....I hope the kids look like the script :-P |
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| 21:05.01 | DaveLab | Hey Info |
| 21:05.02 | Infoport | i guess nothing left to do but setup boot for qtopia |
| 21:05.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.06 | DaveLab | And lint |
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| 21:05.24 | DaveLab | So what's up with this, every time I get into work, my phone never wants to connect outbound via usb to the internet |
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| 21:05.35 | DaveLab | I set a new nameserver, and it just replies with bad address |
| 21:05.44 | DaveLab | If I wait about 10-20minutes it just magically works then. |
| 21:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Dave: ARP. |
| 21:05.57 | DaveLab | What could account for that type of behavior? |
| 21:05.58 | ozzloy | watches text fly by as the newly flashed kernel boots |
| 21:05.59 | DaveLab | ARP? |
| 21:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Dave: maybe |
| 21:06.04 | DaveLab | What about it? |
| 21:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Dave: can you ping your DNS thingy? |
| 21:06.10 | DaveLab | But isn't that a bit egregious? |
| 21:06.13 | Infoport | Pyrasi: it definitely works to LOAD the rootfs, but backup was problematic (but doesnt necessarily fail) |
| 21:06.14 | DaveLab | my dns thingy |
| 21:06.20 | DaveLab | The nameserver address? |
| 21:06.21 | DaveLab | Yes. |
| 21:06.29 | DaveLab | I can ping remote locations, just not resolve them |
| 21:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Dave: does it return name queries? |
| 21:06.34 | DaveLab | Sorry I should have clarified that :) |
| 21:06.44 | DaveLab | No, I can access external resources, just the resolver is fucked up. |
| 21:06.45 | Zorkman | DaveLab: i have the same |
| 21:06.51 | DaveLab | At home it resolves instantly. |
| 21:06.51 | SpeedEvil | Dave: tcpdump -s999 -ni eth0 |
| 21:06.54 | DaveLab | :| |
| 21:06.55 | SpeedEvil | Dave: or something |
| 21:06.59 | DaveLab | Speedevil, you mean usb0? |
| 21:06.59 | Infoport | Dave: 2008.8? |
| 21:07.03 | DaveLab | No, 2007 |
| 21:07.06 | Torikun1 | 20080813 is the best |
| 21:07.08 | Zorkman | but only when connection to a windows xp machine and AFTER installing a sisco client for vpn connection |
| 21:07.08 | DaveLab | The GOOD stuff. |
| 21:07.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Dave: doesn't the neo side call it eth0? |
| 21:07.14 | DaveLab | Shush torijkun |
| 21:07.21 | DaveLab | I don't use windows |
| 21:07.30 | Torikun1 | lol |
| 21:07.33 | Torikun1 | me either |
| 21:07.37 | Torikun1 | Linux all around at home and work |
| 21:07.40 | SpeedEvil | Dave: nope, you're right, it's usb0 |
| 21:07.57 | DaveLab | :) |
| 21:08.00 | linuxxr | tori did u use the.jffs2.summery? |
| 21:08.23 | Torikun1 | I use the jffs2 imaage, Inever read the summary |
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| 21:08.27 | Infoport | Pyrasi: no, it has just worked for me. I havent re-flashed to check it, but it always seems to complete properly. It is done last though b/c 1)takes a long time, 2)some had gotten errors |
| 21:08.57 | DaveLab | wtf |
| 21:09.14 | DaveLab | the nameserver ACKs, then replies! but then the connection is refused back to the freerunner? |
| 21:09.31 | lpotter | it doesn;t like you, Dave |
| 21:09.38 | Infoport | Dave: wow, I havent had that problem with 2007 (but 2008.8 has given me issues) |
| 21:09.50 | DaveLab | lpotter :( |
| 21:10.15 | Infoport | maybe it feels hurt because you are off forking other scripts |
| 21:10.22 | Torikun1 | how can you install all the packages that begin with openmoko- from opkg |
| 21:10.23 | lindi- | DaveLab: ACKs? |
| 21:11.02 | DaveLab | Yep |
| 21:11.07 | Zorkman | lpotter: are there tar.gz files to populate the SD card? |
| 21:11.10 | lindi- | DaveLab: isn't ACK one of the TCP flags? |
| 21:11.15 | lindi- | DaveLab: and DNS uses UDP? |
| 21:11.22 | DaveLab | I was saying it's acknowledging the requests |
| 21:11.22 | lindi- | (mostly) |
| 21:11.24 | Infoport | I wish this GPS antenna didnt have a magnet...I dont want to stick it on my roof, and I dont want a magnet on a cord on my computer desk |
| 21:11.39 | DaveLab | sorry if that was misleading :) |
| 21:11.46 | DaveLab | IT GET QUERY |
| 21:11.49 | SpeedEvil | http://images.google.co.uk/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q="Alize Cornet"&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi for reference. |
| 21:11.50 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:11.50 | DaveLab | IT SEND REPONSE |
| 21:11.55 | DaveLab | DENIED! |
| 21:12.11 | lindi- | DaveLab: can you see both on usb0? |
| 21:12.14 | DaveLab | Man, that reminds me, I totally need to do a Q3 sound theme for the freerunner. |
| 21:12.18 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: you can open it up and pull the magnet |
| 21:12.20 | DaveLab | Lindi, via tcpdump, yes. |
| 21:12.26 | lindi- | DaveLab: ok |
| 21:12.32 | lindi- | DaveLab: rp_filter maybe |
| 21:12.38 | DaveLab | but every time the dns server tries to send the response back to the freerunner it gets Connection Refused |
| 21:12.41 | lindi- | DaveLab: what does 'route -n' print on your freerunner? |
| 21:12.43 | SpeedEvil | Infoport: Or more practucally, just glue it to a 8*8*8cm thing or so. |
| 21:12.45 | DaveLab | Am I running iptables on the freerunner!? |
| 21:12.55 | lindi- | DaveLab: but connection refused is TCP term? |
| 21:12.58 | Torikun1 | how can you install all the packages that begin with openmoko- from opkg |
| 21:13.09 | Infoport | Dave: does your nameserver (router?) "know" your usb address? I told mine the mac address and defined it for the same internal IP that it already wants |
| 21:13.21 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: IIRC nameservers can send 'go away' udp replies |
| 21:13.24 | DaveLab | Info, no |
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| 21:13.30 | DaveLab | haha go away |
| 21:13.31 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: hmm? |
| 21:13.32 | DaveLab | :) |
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| 21:13.42 | DaveLab | it just doesn't make sense |
| 21:13.57 | ozzloy | ieatlint: now the bt shows for hciconfig ! |
| 21:13.58 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: care to point me to the RFC? |
| 21:14.13 | DaveLab | usually I end up coming in the lab, adjusting the nameserver accordingly, and then leave it for twenty minutes or so, after which it usually 'works' |
| 21:14.17 | DaveLab | it's very strange |
| 21:14.19 | SpeedEvil | points to his head. |
| 21:14.21 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 21:14.23 | Wonka | [81795.855155] usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 35 |
| 21:14.27 | Wonka | [81796.269374] usb 5-1: device not accepting address 35, error -71 |
| 21:14.29 | Wonka | [81796.269426] hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
| 21:14.32 | DaveLab | error! |
| 21:14.46 | Infoport | SpeedEvil: glue it to a brick so the magnet wont reach...maybe the next one |
| 21:14.50 | ozzloy | oooOOoooh, i can see other bt devices! |
| 21:15.10 | ozzloy | googles 1337 bt for n00bs |
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| 21:15.29 | mmontour | *refresh* Awww, still in Mississauga |
| 21:15.42 | Infoport | so I tried to use the same wpa_supplicant.conf on 2008.8, and it didnt work...got to learn how 2008.8 wants wifi |
| 21:15.42 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.54 | DaveLab | Hello Montour |
| 21:16.02 | mmontour | howdy DaveLab |
| 21:16.10 | DaveLab | Howdy ya'll |
| 21:16.17 | DaveLab | hows yous alls doin here |
| 21:16.26 | Infoport | should 2008.8 wifi networking be different? |
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| 21:16.37 | Infoport | or is it operator error? |
| 21:17.24 | ieatlint | Wonka, you getting that usb error on your computer when you plug in the neo? |
| 21:17.37 | linuxxr | torikun did u use openmoko-qtopia-x11/ |
| 21:17.42 | linuxxr | ?/? |
| 21:18.16 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d1d0a15f4 Pyrasi not quite working |
| 21:18.28 | linuxxr | i mean glibc or not |
| 21:18.33 | ozzloy | Pyrasi: i reflashed the kernel. maybe before i was running the wrong kernel |
| 21:18.41 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.47 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.54 | ozzloy | woops. can i get help with this? http://pastebin.com/d1d0a15f4 |
| 21:18.59 | ieatlint | ozzloy, that could be a pin error |
| 21:19.02 | ozzloy | Pyrasi: hold on i'll find a link |
| 21:19.38 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.52 | Infoport | Dave: next we need a script to automate mouting the jffs2 image (b/c I dont want to reflash it if I mess up alsa mixer state,etc, just mount and look at files |
| 21:20.06 | ozzloy | Pyrasi: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8-gta02-20080808.uImage.bin |
| 21:20.14 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.24 | DaveLab | grr |
| 21:20.35 | ieatlint | ozzloy, did you run passkey-agent? |
| 21:20.37 | ozzloy | that's a direct link. take off the file name to get a dir listing |
| 21:20.41 | ozzloy | ieatlint: nope |
| 21:20.53 | ieatlint | look right above the hidd instructions on the wiki |
| 21:21.02 | ieatlint | (note that 0000 may not be your keyboard's pin) |
| 21:21.05 | Infoport | Dave: that's ok...first this one, THEN the jffs2 mount util :-P |
| 21:21.25 | ozzloy | ieatlint: i didn't set a passkey, so i hope it's 0000 |
| 21:21.54 | ieatlint | odds are you can't set the pin... those kind of devices generally have a default pin, often 0000 or 1234 |
| 21:22.00 | Infoport | Dave: you know, I wouldnt be making so many backups if I weren't doing the script (like climbing a mountain-- because "its there") |
| 21:22.12 | ieatlint | and of course ensure the device is in discovery mode when you try to connect :P |
| 21:22.46 | ozzloy | http://pastebin.com/d16888994 how do i ensure the device is in discovery mode? |
| 21:22.49 | Infoport | ieatlint: yeah I love the security of those bt PINs |
| 21:23.03 | ieatlint | Infoport, heh, the pin is useless |
| 21:23.09 | ieatlint | only useful in discovery mode |
| 21:23.24 | ieatlint | and bluetooth is notoriously a huge security hole with or without a custom pin |
| 21:23.47 | Infoport | ozzloy: the bt device prob has instructions, but my cheap Jabra with a big button has you hold the button for a long time until it is solid blue or something |
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| 21:24.31 | koenigjm | Is it possible to remove/replace the touch screen of the GTA02? |
| 21:24.58 | koenigjm | Has anyone ever removed it from the mounting? |
| 21:25.03 | DaveLab | Yeah it's really fucking weird |
| 21:25.11 | DaveLab | half and hour later and nothing changed, it works. |
| 21:25.16 | DaveLab | I blame everything. |
| 21:25.21 | DaveLab | actually, I blame glamo :D |
| 21:25.25 | Infoport | a guy wanted a ride several blocks away as I left cigar store, but I just couldnt-- if one more person steal stuff from the back of car while I'm not watching, or tries to proposition me, or other scams, my wife will freak |
| 21:25.27 | DaveLab | and php of course :P |
| 21:25.36 | ozzloy | Infoport: well the packaging is elsewhere, so i'll have to retry later. |
| 21:25.40 | ozzloy | thanks ieatlint |
| 21:25.42 | DaveLab | Infoport :D |
| 21:25.59 | DaveLab | Infoport, where is our orrery friend today? :) |
| 21:26.00 | Infoport | ozzloy: or look for online manual from mfg |
| 21:26.07 | DaveLab | I need to ask him to commit my changes |
| 21:26.09 | ozzloy | Infoport: genius! |
| 21:26.19 | Infoport | Dave: he must just come out at night |
| 21:26.31 | Infoport | ozzloy, well I dont know where my packaging is either |
| 21:26.40 | ozzloy | Infoport: heh |
| 21:26.54 | Infoport | Dave: you know, like the moon ;-) |
| 21:28.10 | Infoport | Dave I wanted to see the stars too, but it has been too cloudy/rainy here (orrery still impresses everyone though) |
| 21:29.00 | Infoport | 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration (from frustration) |
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| 21:32.48 | DaveLab | haha - SHIT |
| 21:32.50 | DaveLab | root 1890 1886 0 14:00 pts/0 00:00:00 [Xglamo] <defunct> |
| 21:33.35 | Infoport | does the qtopia image keep changing? the file is date 080808, but on their page it has a date underneath 2008/8/13 |
| 21:34.53 | lpotter | that date underneat just means when the update to the entry was made. I had to update the md5 sum |
| 21:35.13 | Infoport | lpotter thanks |
| 21:35.30 | linuxxr | qutopia was nice |
| 21:35.35 | DaveLab | lpotter, you are the sole qtopia maintainer? :O |
| 21:35.36 | linuxxr | -u |
| 21:35.53 | lpotter | DaveLab: sure seems like it |
| 21:36.12 | DaveLab | :) |
| 21:36.29 | DaveLab | Fuck, so if Xglamo is defunct, that would account for X no longer responding, even after restarting it |
| 21:36.33 | DaveLab | Do I have to reboot? |
| 21:36.59 | DaveLab | goddamn glamo going blamo! |
| 21:37.08 | Infoport | lpotter md5s are sooo last year. you know they can fake those now right? |
| 21:37.08 | lpotter | bah! who needs X? |
| 21:37.38 | lpotter | Infoport: it is more for getting a complete download |
| 21:37.43 | lpotter | rather than security |
| 21:38.23 | Infoport | lpotter: just yanking your chain (a little) |
| 21:38.38 | DaveLab | Thanks for your help, lpotter! |
| 21:38.51 | DaveLab | By the way, while I've got you here within my grasps, lpotter... I heard there was a new qtopia release about |
| 21:39.09 | Infoport | lpotter although some now include SHA1 sums too |
| 21:39.11 | DaveLab | So briefly tell me, what, if anything does it improve upon? |
| 21:39.21 | DaveLab | What new and exciting features does it now additionally offer? |
| 21:39.26 | Infoport | md5 |
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| 21:40.18 | Infoport | Dave wifi is fixed acc to site |
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| 21:41.44 | DaveLab | Yeah I heard that |
| 21:41.53 | DaveLab | so that the internet setting menu doesn't freeze you |
| 21:42.03 | DaveLab | however, there is still no browser |
| 21:42.18 | DaveLab | I hear that's sleighted for the NEXT version (lame) |
| 21:42.28 | DaveLab | and I couldn't get moz-pos-qt to build for it either |
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| 21:42.33 | DaveLab | some errors or something |
| 21:42.36 | DaveLab | what else is new |
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| 21:52.13 | confidential | is video playback working in the daily builds? |
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| 21:58.16 | Infoport | is there an IRC chat client for any of the phone distributions? I can browse web pages but I'm on here so much... |
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| 21:58.30 | Torikun1 | Infoport: pidgin works |
| 21:58.39 | mickeyl | xchat works |
| 21:58.58 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra810a555af87 10/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: Remove the stringified queries for the time being |
| 21:59.06 | Infoport | with 2007 and 2008.8? |
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| 22:01.04 | wyze | irssi works |
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| 22:03.23 | Pjj | btw why does my freerunner with 2007.2 keeps putting the backlight on after it has been dimmed for let's say 5 minutes while being locked without me touching it? is that a known issue or is it only a thing I'm experiencing |
| 22:04.02 | Infoport | ok off to try more on my phone 1) install qtopia, 2)get wifi working on 2008.8, 3)IRC chat clients on FR |
| 22:04.12 | Infoport | later all ! |
| 22:04.22 | lindi- | Pjj: might be interesting to read that from the source |
| 22:05.29 | Pjj | how/where lindi- ? |
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| 22:14.40 | lindi- | do you know C? |
| 22:15.59 | Pjj | I've done some simple programming of it yes, so if I understand you correctly it's been done by design or atleast it's a known thing |
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| 22:17.45 | almien | Pjj: that seemed to happen in specific places on my desk. e.g. put FR on top of a mac mini and it would often believe that the screen had been touched. put it elsewhere and the issue stopped. |
| 22:18.56 | ieatlint | yay for deep discharged batteries |
| 22:19.23 | Pjj | well I've put it on top of my bass, and also just on my desk (close to me though) so that could the thing, after sometime you can't activate it though anymore I've noticed by touching the screen and you have to press the power buton (yes I haven't had much experience yet with my freerunner) |
| 22:20.49 | confidential | is video playback working? |
| 22:21.54 | lindi- | whoa matchbox is nice |
| 22:22.14 | lindi- | if name == "AUX" and action == "held" and seconds >= 3: |
| 22:22.15 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.29 | lindi- | makes it easy to have hidden root terminal that you can access by holding AUX :) |
| 22:25.05 | lindi- | accelometers would make this more interesting. imagine a root shell you can only access if you hold AUX down and shake the phone :P |
| 22:25.45 | almien | or only by being in a certain location ;) |
| 22:25.57 | lindi- | good idea |
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| 22:27.42 | lindi- | now i only need the transparent landscape virtual keyboard |
| 22:29.43 | DaveLab | What happened to all the 200807 stuff? |
| 22:31.41 | DaveLab | :( |
| 22:31.47 | DaveLab | throws freerunners at Xora |
| 22:35.16 | lindi- | shift-7 produces "?" even though display shows "/" in matchbox-keyboard |
| 22:35.19 | lindi- | any idea what's wrong? |
| 22:35.33 | zash | wat |
| 22:36.07 | lindi- | yeah, i have <key> <default display="7" /> <shifted display="/" /> <mod1 display='{' /> </key> |
| 22:36.19 | zash | omg, xml? |
| 22:36.26 | DaveLab | hallo? |
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| 22:36.31 | DaveLab | zomg zash. |
| 22:36.55 | lindi- | zash: matchbox keyboard layouts are configured like that |
| 22:37.17 | zash | does not like xml |
| 22:37.58 | zash | it seems that most uses is overkill |
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| 22:38.44 | DaveLab | What the fuck does "Off Network" mean? o_O |
| 22:38.50 | DaveLab | Strange... |
| 22:39.11 | e_s_p | What's this in the topic? |
| 22:39.26 | e_s_p | I just did an opkg upgrade using buildhost.openmoko.org and it seems to have worked |
| 22:40.05 | e_s_p | So I've got a question |
| 22:40.12 | e_s_p | I've got a data plan with my cell phone provider |
| 22:40.28 | e_s_p | Any chance my FreeRunner can use that for IP connectivity? |
| 22:40.37 | e_s_p | It seems to only want to talk through the USB tether |
| 22:41.27 | DaveLab | oh |
| 22:41.37 | DaveLab | sure |
| 22:41.51 | DaveLab | you can probably accomplish that either by dropping the usb interface, or just futz with the routing table :) |
| 22:43.13 | e_s_p | Ah |
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| 22:43.34 | e_s_p | I didn't mean that it preferred the usb tether to the GSM networking data doodah |
| 22:43.39 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS |
| 22:43.42 | e_s_p | I meant I can't seem to get any other networking to work |
| 22:43.45 | e_s_p | kd8ikt: grazie |
| 22:44.33 | e_s_p | Oh, man, gotta love this phone |
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| 22:45.08 | e_s_p | So, 2008.8, all the scrolly stuff updates terribly |
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| 22:54.37 | DaveLab | hrm |
| 22:56.48 | DaveLab | Zorkman, heer? |
| 22:56.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re83b9b810c68 10/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: |
| 22:56.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Rename ContactEntry() to Contact() |
| 22:56.49 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Fix up class documentation in pimd_contacts.py |
| 22:57.37 | lindi- | hmm, how do i make Xglamo read touchscreen events from /dev/input/event1? it seems to have only event0 open |
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| 23:03.22 | DaveLab | lindi: Wish I knew :( |
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| 23:10.47 | DaveLab | bah |
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| 23:25.10 | DaveLab | haha, fuck |
| 23:25.25 | DaveLab | busybox fucked me again |
| 23:25.40 | DaveLab | I can't compile this module because ar -s :: invalid option, thanks busybox :) |
| 23:27.38 | ieatlint | yeah, compiling for the neo makes you want to hurt someone ... badly |
| 23:28.36 | ieatlint | i'm 90% through writing an app that will put a dot in the middle of the screen, and then move the dot based on the x,y of an accelerometer |
| 23:29.03 | ieatlint | but i half expect the neo's graphics to crap out, even though i'm just drawing a 4x4 rectangle and moving it ... no pixmaps |
| 23:29.20 | DaveLab | haha |
| 23:29.36 | DaveLab | ieatlint: labyrinth v0.00.0a? :P |
| 23:29.42 | ieatlint | :P |
| 23:29.47 | DaveLab | that's what it sounds like anyway ;D |
| 23:30.16 | DaveLab | a partner of mine in the lab the other day was like, yo check out how sweet and smoothly labyrinth runs on the iphone... |
| 23:30.31 | DaveLab | I was like, man, if only the accelerometers worked on the freerunner :P |
| 23:30.31 | ieatlint | maybe i'm making an etch-a-sketch where you draw by leaning the neo in one direction? |
| 23:30.38 | johngay | Did you kick him in the goolies? |
| 23:30.42 | DaveLab | sweet! |
| 23:30.53 | DaveLab | ieatlint - go team! |
| 23:30.55 | ieatlint | actually it's just a demo |
| 23:31.04 | ieatlint | sort of proof of concept |
| 23:31.07 | DaveLab | oh man |
| 23:31.12 | DaveLab | I can see the aggravation now... |
| 23:31.16 | johngay | It's not a demo, it's beta |
| 23:31.21 | DaveLab | sokoban using accelerometers or something |
| 23:31.27 | ieatlint | will release it... if i don't do something with it, might get someone else to do something |
| 23:31.28 | DaveLab | haha or something! |
| 23:31.36 | ieatlint | it's a demo |
| 23:31.41 | DaveLab | ieatlint, did you ever get my messages/posts about the power apps? |
| 23:31.44 | ieatlint | as in, it demonstrates the concepts and code to do it |
| 23:31.53 | ieatlint | nope |
| 23:31.57 | DaveLab | I had suggested modifications to your app :\ |
| 23:32.13 | ieatlint | hmmm, let me see if i can dredge it up |
| 23:32.18 | ieatlint | i ported it to c, btw |
| 23:32.24 | ieatlint | uses half the memory |
| 23:32.29 | SpeedEvil | notes FF3 strongly objects to the wiki certificate. |
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| 23:33.09 | SpeedEvil | (about 8 clicks past scary confusing dialogs) |
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| 23:33.44 | ieatlint | yeah, the expired certs are a joke now |
| 23:34.04 | ieatlint | it's like a daily firealarm... when i really am being phished, i'll just override it anyway |
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| 23:34.32 | johngay | Did you hear about the phishers getting phished? |
| 23:34.48 | ieatlint | DaveLab, how did you send me the messages? privmsg? |
| 23:35.22 | mmontour | I haven't seen any expired certs, just untrusted issuer (cacert.org) |
| 23:36.04 | DaveLab | ieatlint, uhh publicly? :) |
| 23:36.06 | ieatlint | i've no logs of you ever sending me a privmsg |
| 23:36.08 | ieatlint | oh |
| 23:36.11 | DaveLab | hah, nah I think I sent you private messages |
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| 23:36.24 | DaveLab | or something |
| 23:36.32 | DaveLab | May I email you? |
| 23:36.44 | johngay | You're sure fond of that word. |
| 23:37.01 | ieatlint | yeah, but i actually set up a trac to hold all my random little programs |
| 23:37.18 | ieatlint | http://lint.devjavu.com/ |
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| 23:37.27 | ieatlint | my email is ieatlint@tehinterweb.com |
| 23:37.27 | DaveLab | :o |
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| 23:37.46 | ieatlint | and those who spam me will be punished |
| 23:37.53 | linuxxr | when is 2008.8 going to be fixed to where the phone works or is it already? |
| 23:37.58 | ieatlint | for every spam message i get, i downed a puppy |
| 23:38.05 | ieatlint | drowned |
| 23:38.13 | ieatlint | so think about that! |
| 23:38.22 | DaveLab | :D |
| 23:38.49 | DaveLab | haha cool |
| 23:38.51 | DaveLab | batmon :) |
| 23:39.15 | ieatlint | hehe, yeah, i didn't realise the pun until a bit after using it |
| 23:39.22 | DaveLab | :P |
| 23:39.32 | DaveLab | I still don't understand how you want me to get my suggestions to you? |
| 23:39.38 | DaveLab | did you want me to write tickets or email you somehow? |
| 23:39.54 | ieatlint | your choice |
| 23:40.01 | DaveLab | I still can't find your email |
| 23:40.01 | ieatlint | in general i'd say it makes sense to make tickets |
| 23:40.04 | DaveLab | Do I require the blue key? |
| 23:40.08 | DaveLab | oh, alright |
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| 23:40.15 | ieatlint | blue key? |
| 23:40.22 | DaveLab | some secret source? |
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| 23:40.29 | DaveLab | goddamn hidden emails |
| 23:40.32 | DaveLab | or I'm blind |
| 23:40.47 | ieatlint | uhm, i just posted me email a min ago |
| 23:40.50 | ieatlint | ieatlint@tehinterweb.com |
| 23:41.40 | DaveLab | oh, right! |
| 23:41.43 | DaveLab | that would make sense :) |
| 23:41.44 | DaveLab | thanks |
| 23:41.50 | DaveLab | I'll spam you later tonight :) |
| 23:41.55 | ieatlint | ok |
| 23:42.03 | DaveLab | Mostly I just had some resources to point you to, and a few valid suggestions. |
| 23:42.18 | DaveLab | Furthermore, the fact you understand more german than I do should make things go quicker for you :P |
| 23:42.21 | ieatlint | good, i prefer the valid ones |
| 23:42.23 | DaveLab | Woo, go Lint! |
| 23:42.25 | DaveLab | hah |
| 23:42.54 | DaveLab | Though I'm still going to suggest you make the app icon a batman parody somehow :) |
| 23:42.59 | DaveLab | maybe I'll even make one tonight :P |
| 23:43.19 | DaveLab | I've been making icons for all the lame apps lacking one |
| 23:43.23 | ieatlint | i suck at graphics |
| 23:43.24 | DaveLab | I should probably post them |
| 23:43.28 | DaveLab | they're not that bad |
| 23:46.09 | DaveLab | gah, I have to mess with PostGIS again later :[ |
| 23:47.19 | linuxxr | daily builds of thr 2008.8 release? |
| 23:48.02 | linuxxr | or 30 day release intervels? |
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| 23:50.41 | DaveLab | So was all the 200807 stuff simply REMOVED from buildhost? |
| 23:53.29 | linuxxr | i got some stuff |
| 23:54.15 | linuxxr | im putting 2008.8 back on |
| 23:54.47 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.21 | DaveLab | heh |
| 23:55.22 | linuxxr | att go phone proly let me use my att sim |
| 23:55.29 | DaveLab | yep |
| 23:55.39 | linuxxr | 9.95 |
| 23:55.45 | DaveLab | and it works, for the most part :P |
| 23:55.50 | DaveLab | (in the freerunner, that is) |
| 23:56.06 | linuxxr | so are there any upgrades to the 2008.8 image? |
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| 23:56.31 | linuxxr | daily builds? |
| 23:56.55 | DaveLab | come back tomorrow :P |
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