| 00:10.56 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: http://pastebin.com/da52e8c0 |
| 00:11.04 | mmaestri1 | sorry for the delay |
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| 00:13.56 | cesarb | mmaestri1: the real error is that plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.h is missing |
| 00:15.37 | cesarb | mmaestri1: that recipe is probably using a bad git revision (one where a header file was forgotten; that is not rare) |
| 00:16.29 | cesarb | mmaestri1: I'd recomment doing (if you are using mokomakefile) "make clean-package-linux-openmoko" (to force it to recompile from scratch), "make update", and try again |
| 00:17.19 | mmaestri1 | i did a make-clean-package, just forgot to make update |
| 00:17.35 | thewtex | hmm, wiki seems to be down for me, at least |
| 00:17.52 | thewtex | did you guys see that someone name 'woz' made a contribution to the wiki |
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| 00:20.04 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: it failed, so i'm doing make clean-package and make update before trying again |
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| 00:20.45 | cesarb | mmaestri1: it's also possible that the branch you are using has a sane-srcrevs pointing to a non-sane revision, and nobody else is using that branch so it stays broken ;-) |
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| 00:24.42 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: it failed again... |
| 00:24.54 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: advice...? |
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| 00:27.23 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: how to choose another branch? |
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| 00:29.53 | tim_abell | it strikes me that the end of the section of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_package_manager about upgrading a fresh phone should include a "reboot" statement, or instruction to restart the phone at the end. thought? |
| 00:30.39 | cesarb | mmaestri1: it's selected at the top of mokomakefile, you probably already changed the branch to build fso (according to the instructions on the mokomakefile wiki page, each distro has a different branch) |
| 00:32.55 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: so you suggest that i put OM_BRANCH again pointing to org.openmoko.dev, even when i'm trying to build a fso image? |
| 00:33.25 | cesarb | mmaestri1: no, I'm just stating that it's probably broken. I'm not suggesting you do anything ;-) |
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| 00:34.22 | mmaestri1 | cesarb: well...i'm still wanting to build it, so i must do something...right? |
| 00:35.32 | cesarb | mmaestri1: right, and the something would probably involve finding out where the mistake is (patches added by the bitbake recipe? old git tree? forced srcrev from somewhere) and fix it :P |
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| 00:36.48 | mmaestri1 | well...thx, i'll try to figure it out |
| 00:37.43 | chomwitt | cesarb: i think for know the solution i see to break the one use cycle is to become more expert in desoldering! |
| 00:38.07 | cesarb | chomwitt: :D |
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| 00:39.38 | matholio | hello all |
| 00:39.49 | chomwitt | cesarb: :-) have a nice day (or night) |
| 00:40.50 | matholio | I just flashed stock 2007.2 kernel and rootfs, but not I cannot connect via usb from my pc. this was all working before. and worked with stock before too. |
| 00:41.40 | matholio | usb0 is in ifconfig on FR, looks normal enough. |
| 00:42.19 | matholio | ..is detected by host system : usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 27 |
| 00:43.27 | cesarb | chomwitt: thanks (it's night here) |
| 00:44.02 | chomwitt | cesarb: which country? |
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| 00:45.15 | matholio | SIOCSIFADDR: is this a problem with the FR or host system? |
| 00:45.29 | torindel | matholio: try poweroffing moko, disconnecting cable, powering it on and pluging cable back |
| 00:45.30 | matholio | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 00:46.02 | tkep | my motorola car charger doesn't tell the output voltage |
| 00:46.20 | tkep | would it be safe to assume, since it's wall charger is the right voltage for the FR, that the car one would be as well? |
| 00:46.38 | tkep | it'd be nice to be able to charge this in the car since battery life is ass |
| 00:47.02 | cesarb | chomwitt: Brasil |
| 00:47.46 | cesarb | tkep: if it's one of the chargers with a USB plug, it's most probably 5V, since that's the USB standard |
| 00:48.19 | chomwitt | cesarb: happy talking to you. c u. |
| 00:48.27 | tkep | cesarb, i'd assume so too. of course, my in car gps charger is the same way...but it outputs 7 |
| 00:48.29 | tkep | which is weird |
| 00:48.33 | tkep | i guess it needs more voltage |
| 00:48.44 | tkep | oh well, it should be within voltage tolerance! |
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| 00:54.43 | cesarb | tkep: 7V is way over tolerance for USB power |
| 00:55.13 | cesarb | tkep: I don't recall the voltage tolerance, but if it's a generous 10%, the maximum would be 5.5V |
| 00:59.42 | matholio | torindel: thanks, usb working again. phew. |
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| 01:01.08 | orzo | is zenity packaged for openmoko? |
| 01:01.13 | orzo | i didnt see it in my opkg list |
| 01:01.50 | orzo | but it'd be nice to have a way to write quick GUI utilities |
| 01:09.24 | mwester | mmaestri1: Are you using the autorev and the openembedded (monotone) repo to build FSO? (or do I misunderstand/) |
| 01:10.54 | mmaestri1 | mwester: i'm using mokomakefile |
| 01:11.22 | mwester | Ok. But unless you specifically do a few things, it won't build FSO for you. |
| 01:11.33 | mwester | (is it FSO that you're building?) |
| 01:11.38 | mmaestri1 | yes it is |
| 01:12.30 | mwester | FSO is built from the org.openembedded.dev branch (which should work out to be the OE monotone repo with the Makefile, I think). |
| 01:13.16 | roh | oe is switching atm.. atleast they already have the git-test flying hot with commits |
| 01:13.30 | roh | matter of days when we are finally free of mtn |
| 01:14.10 | roh | and i would be careful with overvoltage.. 10% should be ok. yeah |
| 01:14.15 | niklauz | sorry, what is mtn ? |
| 01:14.30 | mwester | monotone |
| 01:14.35 | roh | but in such small packages one often is forced to choose rather small voltage-limits |
| 01:14.39 | niklauz | ah! |
| 01:15.08 | roh | means i would wonder if there werent caps with 6.3V near that without even looking at the schem.. |
| 01:15.34 | roh | but hey.. the schems are being worked upon for days.. so prepare for impact.. will be quite soon |
| 01:15.45 | mwester | mmaestri1: Another possible issue is that this weekend is "bug weekend" for OE, so things are a bit "in flux" ATM. But I built FSO just yesterday, for both GTA01 and GTA02, so it should be in pretty good shape. |
| 01:16.12 | mmaestri1 | mwester: how did you built it? |
| 01:16.51 | mwester | Well, I don't use mokomakefile, so you'll have to find the config files yourself. But basically, in your local.conf you need to add: |
| 01:17.32 | mwester | require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc |
| 01:17.32 | mwester | require conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc |
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| 01:20.02 | mwester | In the Moko Makefile, make sure that you have commented out the OM_GIT_* definitions, and uncommented the ones above that point to the "openembedded.net" site. |
| 01:20.04 | tkep | cesarb, good call |
| 01:20.41 | mwester | (Actually you may need to reverse the order -- fix up the Makefile, then do a make update, then find and edit the local.conf file :) |
| 01:21.09 | torindel | roh: mtn oe is still swarming with updates too |
| 01:21.52 | cesarb | mwester: local.conf is at build/conf/local.conf |
| 01:22.02 | mwester | Thanks. :) |
| 01:22.45 | torindel | any ideas when they'll fully resign from mtn? |
| 01:23.16 | mwester | "any day now", torindel |
| 01:23.25 | cesarb | roh: how much will be on the schematics? we know GSM and the GTA01 GPS will probably be a black box in them, but would the rest be fully detailed? |
| 01:25.01 | torindel | cesarb: at least they have fully described interface and you cant tell that about glamo |
| 01:28.23 | mmaestri1 | mwester: i've taked note of your advices, i'll try it later |
| 01:28.25 | mmaestri1 | thx |
| 01:28.28 | mmaestri1 | bye all |
| 01:28.33 | pjz | mwester: is anyone maintaining an opkg repo for fso? |
| 01:28.58 | mwester | No; it's not intended to be a full-fledged distro. |
| 01:29.19 | mwester | However. the existing 2007.2 repos will work just fine for most things. |
| 01:29.30 | torindel | its intended to be quick starthack image |
| 01:29.34 | kd8ikt | dang am i the only person who's phone always wakes up with a white screen? |
| 01:29.43 | cesarb | torindel: actually, we can, and we can even without the schematics. It will be another black box, of course, but how it plugs in the CPU, PMU and LCM should be quite standard. |
| 01:29.48 | roh | cesarb: quite detailed. to be specific: joerg is wading through lots of small things to clean up the mess... |
| 01:29.49 | matholio | after flashing back to 2007.2 and updating dropbear, and adding kernel-module-g-ether and kernel-module-cdc-ether, should I expect any issue doing a full opkg update ? |
| 01:30.12 | cesarb | roh: cool |
| 01:30.27 | cesarb | roh: as a side effect, OM itself will then have better internal documentation it seems |
| 01:30.34 | roh | so people do not get confused by stuff like block-overviews with wrong or old copypasted strings or misrouted connections |
| 01:30.40 | roh | a bit.. |
| 01:30.43 | torindel | cesarb: i mean get me docs how to do promised gl on that thing... -___-; |
| 01:31.01 | roh | not that this was a big hurdle.. to be fair i didnt bother... as long as i get it as pdf ;) |
| 01:31.25 | cesarb | torindel: it would be OM to write the docs, and that after writing the full driver. the full driver isn't near complete... |
| 01:31.33 | torindel | cesarb: you dont care if chip is blackbox as long as you get docs |
| 01:31.55 | cesarb | torindel: if you have the docs, it isn't that much of a black box anymore |
| 01:32.20 | roh | and since after that is done and the last few small buts on system/hardwarelevel are resolved, i think the most changes to that will rather be clarification or bugfixes/labelings |
| 01:32.21 | cesarb | torindel: of course, the biggest black box of them (GSM) will have a flashing arrow saying "see cryptome" :D |
| 01:32.23 | torindel | cesarb: problem is that there isnt docs how to use 3d on that thing to write driver -__- |
| 01:32.45 | cesarb | roh: how many hardware bugs did he found while cleaning the documentation? ;-) |
| 01:32.50 | roh | for gta01/02 from updates to the schematics viewpoint |
| 01:33.11 | roh | cesarb not found hw bugs... but just plain mislabelings which slipped through. |
| 01:33.20 | roh | like a 6 instead of a 7 (typos) |
| 01:33.34 | cesarb | torindel: raster has said that 3D isn't usable, since it has a maximum of 511x511 and the neo uses 480x640 |
| 01:34.04 | roh | cesarb that only means that one cannot fill the screen full-res. |
| 01:34.18 | roh | in 320x200 mode that still would be enough |
| 01:34.32 | torindel | or you can always have 129 pixels of interface |
| 01:34.34 | roh | glamo is clearly a 320x240 design, scaled up to 640x480 |
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| 01:35.06 | roh | torindel ack.. or that.,.. after all the touchscreen concept forces one to waste space on the screen for fingers |
| 01:35.10 | roh | ;) |
| 01:35.33 | torindel | ;] |
| 01:36.06 | torindel | "place your fingerprint here" ;] |
| 01:39.26 | matholio | can anyone tell me the best kernel to flash for gps? |
| 01:39.36 | matholio | if there is one at all. |
| 01:40.36 | cesarb | matholio: on a GTA01, doesn't make much of a difference; on a GTA02, get one with the SD fixes |
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| 01:41.49 | matholio | GTA02, but which/where is the one with SD fixes ? |
| 01:43.06 | matholio | will an opkg upgrade get those fixes ? |
| 01:43.33 | Yasumoto | sweet, I think I finally am pretty comfortable with dfu-util |
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| 01:46.40 | kd8ikt | ah cool i successfully cross compiled uptimed |
| 01:47.05 | kd8ikt | now i can good uptime stats |
| 01:47.10 | kd8ikt | get* |
| 01:54.40 | matholio | is there a way to have opkg download updates for applying later ? |
| 01:54.50 | matholio | does --test do this ? |
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| 01:55.37 | Melchiorre | matholio: yes, i think it does |
| 02:04.19 | orzo | the wiki recommends using the pre-built toolchain to build applications but how do we install library headers and such for teh tool chain? Also, I already have a MokoMakefile built tree, so I don't mind using that toolset instead. I want to attempt to build an autotools based tar ball, how do I go about it? Do i need to create a bitbake recipe? |
| 02:04.45 | matholio | ok, I ran opkg --test upgrade and I'm seeing a lot of error like : Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 02:04.45 | matholio | But that file is already provided by package gtk+-fastscaling |
| 02:06.09 | orzo | the package i'm interested in building is zenity. Zenity is a tool for adding gtk interfaces to bash scripts. Surely somebody has looked at this before? |
| 02:08.24 | orzo | There's only 2 months of archives of the devel mailing list... where's the rest? |
| 02:08.37 | kd8ikt | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 02:08.55 | kd8ikt | someone beat you to it |
| 02:09.04 | orzo | awsome |
| 02:09.16 | orzo | hm |
| 02:09.26 | orzo | how come i couldn't find it |
| 02:09.31 | orzo | is it brand new? |
| 02:09.31 | kd8ikt | scaredycat's repo |
| 02:09.34 | orzo | oh |
| 02:11.20 | matholio | Zenity looks neat though. |
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| 02:18.35 | linuxxr | now that im able to use my phone im off to try a newer image |
| 02:19.08 | linuxxr | any good ones out there? |
| 02:19.22 | linuxxr | opkg fixed? |
| 02:21.19 | orzo | where does opkg download the ipk files to? |
| 02:21.36 | linuxxr | even though it doesn't have the resistor onn it im glad i ordered early |
| 02:21.58 | linuxxr | would it /tmp? |
| 02:22.06 | linuxxr | i dont know |
| 02:22.32 | linuxxr | i just yesterdat got the phone to work |
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| 02:23.05 | orzo | i get lots of warnings from gdk about failures to convert from utf-8 to iso-8859-1. Why is it converting? |
| 02:23.08 | linuxxr | it would not register randomly |
| 02:24.21 | linuxxr | burning an iso of your current setup? |
| 02:27.28 | matholio | ack, after doing opkg-upgrade my xserver cannot restart. |
| 02:29.37 | linuxxr | is there anything with using the halt command on thr freerunner?/ |
| 02:30.18 | linuxxr | i had to start over with the default image again |
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| 02:33.33 | linuxxr | i think im going to put the old tap keyboard back on so i can SEE IT |
| 02:59.43 | SpeedEvil | Is your freerunner too hot? |
| 02:59.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sunon.com.tw/mmfan/mmfan_e.htm |
| 03:08.09 | torindel | lol |
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| 03:23.08 | torindel | mmm bitbake seems to make some progress (Running task 2652 of 3623) |
| 03:25.39 | tim_abell | anyone got any pointers / urls on how to make om-make-ipkg package a python app? I'm trying to build lint-wifi & package it and not quite succeeding. |
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| 03:27.58 | tim_abell | ramblings on the subect: http://timwise.wikispaces.com/lint-wifi source code fiddling: http://github.com/timabell/lint-wifi/commits/master |
| 03:30.20 | virac | any one have any idea what happened to the python-pygtk package i just reflashed my freerunner and its gone missing |
| 03:34.52 | virac | ok does anyone know how to get gtk to work in python then? |
| 03:35.09 | virac | "opkg install python-pygtk" doesnt work |
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| 03:40.52 | torindel | lol |
| 03:40.56 | kdubois | everytime the dfu-util tries to 'reset usb', my phone turns off. anyone know why? |
| 03:40.57 | torindel | just started swaping |
| 03:41.32 | torindel | kdubois: try using nor uboot |
| 03:41.54 | torindel | 750MB of swap used and increasing -__- |
| 03:42.06 | kdubois | torindel: nor uboot? |
| 03:42.30 | torindel | kdubois: you got freerunner right? |
| 03:42.36 | kdubois | yep |
| 03:43.06 | torindel | disconnect usb cable, turn it off, hold aux button, press power on, connect usb cable |
| 03:43.44 | torindel | if you press aux after pressing power on you'll get nand uboot |
| 03:43.54 | torindel | (the one you can flash) |
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| 03:44.09 | kdubois | ah, thank you torindel, ill give it a try |
| 03:44.10 | torindel | nor uboot is the non upgradeable one |
| 03:46.05 | kdubois | yay, there we go, thanks torindel |
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| 03:53.18 | tim_abell | Sleep time for me. Best wishes all, and wish me luck in my crazy plan to contribute something useful :-) |
| 03:53.45 | tim_abell | it's getting light again here, and that's a bad sign |
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| 04:05.14 | torindel | same here XD |
| 04:05.20 | torindel | 6am |
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| 04:06.06 | torindel | hmm almost finished: Running task 3610 of 3623 |
| 04:06.18 | torindel | (and it failed again ;]) |
| 04:06.48 | virac | how can i make the python-pygtk package since its no longer in the repositories? |
| 04:06.54 | kdubois | i really like the fso milestone 2 |
| 04:09.11 | torindel | kdubois: me too, frameworkd is nice |
| 04:09.35 | kdubois | i havent really gotten down to the coding level with it yet, any suggestions on where to start? |
| 04:09.42 | torindel | rawr pyyaml.org died |
| 04:09.52 | kdubois | i've been trying to bitbake the latest fso for a while now, not much success |
| 04:10.08 | torindel | kdubois: get svn version of frameworkd and look at it |
| 04:10.18 | kdubois | but i imagine compiling the whole image is a bit excessive, i just really want to work on userspace apps |
| 04:10.32 | torindel | (its in python, so you can easly replace it / change it) |
| 04:10.55 | torindel | even without building image |
| 04:10.56 | kdubois | torindel: thats great, no crosscompiling then either |
| 04:12.18 | torindel | ya thats plus for fast developing |
| 04:12.27 | torindel | kdubois: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ |
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| 04:13.36 | linuxxr | to opkg or not to opkg |
| 04:13.51 | torindel | can anyone nslookup pyyaml.org for me? |
| 04:14.01 | torindel | looks like its dns died |
| 04:14.01 | kdubois | thanks torindel, ill see what i can do. id like to get started on a multimedia app |
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| 04:19.57 | rwhitby | has anyone got tangogps working on fso 2 yet? |
| 04:20.29 | pjz | has been reading fso framework code |
| 04:20.30 | torindel | rwhitby: yep |
| 04:20.54 | torindel | (without map but it worked) |
| 04:20.55 | rwhitby | torindel: any secrets, or does it work out of the box for you on a gta02? |
| 04:21.02 | torindel | out of the box |
| 04:21.11 | orzo | gst-launch says that vorbisfile is an unknown pipeline element |
| 04:21.20 | torindel | (but i didnt had inet connectivity to get map) |
| 04:21.22 | orzo | anybody know how to list installed pipeline elements? |
| 04:21.27 | rwhitby | the zhone gps display worked for me, but tangogps couldn't see any satellites |
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| 04:21.53 | pjz | zhone gps fails miserably for me |
| 04:21.54 | rwhitby | what's tangogps using to get the nmea output in the fso 2 gta02 case? gpsd is not running ... |
| 04:22.04 | torindel | rwhitby: it worked for me, i could check current speed etc |
| 04:22.06 | pjz | nada zilch zero nothing |
| 04:22.24 | torindel | rwhitby: thats tangogps-fso package |
| 04:22.31 | torindel | and it uses fso framework |
| 04:22.48 | pjz | torindel: is that package in any public repo? |
| 04:22.51 | rwhitby | torindel: is that the one in the fso image by default, or one you ipkg installed? |
| 04:22.56 | pjz | torindel: or doI have to build it? |
| 04:22.57 | torindel | (small patch to use dbus instead of gpsd ;]) |
| 04:23.28 | torindel | pjz: yep it is, plus its in fso milestone2 image |
| 04:23.42 | torindel | rwhitby: default one |
| 04:23.43 | pjz | torindel: I have fso m2 on the phone |
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| 04:23.56 | pjz | torindel: but my gps fails to get any data |
| 04:24.06 | torindel | weeee: NOTE: package fso-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: started |
| 04:24.06 | pjz | torindel: at least, the gps app doesn't work; I havent' dug into it |
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| 04:24.32 | rwhitby | pjz: for me, it took a while, but the zhone gps eventually got data |
| 04:24.35 | torindel | pjz: i'm 100% sure that speed'o'meter works |
| 04:24.44 | railer | so with fso ii any one else not getting dail tone or rings just voice after connection? |
| 04:24.58 | torindel | pjz: also you need to wait to gps to get first fix |
| 04:25.03 | rwhitby | torindel: I have tangogps-fso - 0.9.2-r0 installed - same for you? |
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| 04:25.15 | pjz | torindel: how to do that? just put it into the zhone gps thing and wait? |
| 04:25.21 | rwhitby | pjz: yep |
| 04:25.24 | railer | ya the gps is a little slow just go outside works fine |
| 04:25.36 | torindel | rwhitby: i got fso milestone2 image curently |
| 04:25.46 | pjz | sits right by a window, figured that would be okay |
| 04:25.57 | torindel | pjz: yep, start gps app and wait |
| 04:26.18 | torindel | better go outside |
| 04:26.30 | torindel | getting first fix requires stronger signal |
| 04:26.35 | dns53 | you may need to configure gpsd to use the right device |
| 04:26.51 | torindel | dns53: it works out of the box |
| 04:27.05 | rwhitby | torindel: when tangogps is getting data for you, is gpsd running, or is there a /tmp/nmeaP file? |
| 04:27.09 | dns53 | not for me, i needed to change it |
| 04:27.27 | torindel | dns53: plus i dunno if you can actually change device after fso patch |
| 04:27.57 | rwhitby | hmm - there is no gpsd package installed on my fso2 image |
| 04:28.04 | dns53 | i'm not using fso |
| 04:28.24 | torindel | rwhitby: it comunicates via dbus with frameworkd, which have gypsy started if there are any gps apps running |
| 04:28.26 | mwester | Don't forget to hold the phone upright; the GPS antenna does not appear to be oriented such that the face of the phone is the "sky" direction. |
| 04:28.39 | torindel | rwhitby: thats correct |
| 04:29.18 | torindel | its not useing gpsd anymore ;] |
| 04:29.47 | torindel | weeeee build complete ;] |
| 04:29.49 | pjz | does it matter if I try and use zhone-gps or tangogps to get first fix? |
| 04:30.04 | torindel | pjz: it doesnt |
| 04:30.21 | torindel | on upper right corner you have letters/numbers |
| 04:30.26 | torindel | s is gps |
| 04:30.40 | pjz | S1 ? |
| 04:30.50 | torindel | small s means turned off, big S means turned on and number means gps clients connected |
| 04:31.03 | pjz | ah, cool |
| 04:31.14 | torindel | it auto kills gps daemon if you dont have gps apps running |
| 04:31.35 | torindel | so dont close them after getting first fix |
| 04:31.56 | pjz | torindel: heh, okay. how do I leave them running in the background? |
| 04:32.04 | torindel | we really need to add option to save/load first fix data to some gps daemons ;] |
| 04:32.08 | railer | any guesses on the no dial tone? |
| 04:32.13 | rwhitby | torindel: how can I interrogate the nmea stream with gypsyd to make sure it's working |
| 04:32.15 | rwhitby | ? |
| 04:32.23 | torindel | pjz: start tango and switch to zhone |
| 04:32.30 | orzo | what does the dialer use to play ring tones, and if i play music, by various methods, will the ring still be able to paly? |
| 04:32.34 | torindel | (press upper bar) |
| 04:36.25 | pjz | rwhitby: how compatible are debian packages to an fso image? |
| 04:36.47 | pjz | rwhitby: failing that, do you know if anyone's put vim into oe ? |
| 04:37.22 | rwhitby | pjz: dunno to both |
| 04:37.25 | pjz | rwhitby: also, git? |
| 04:37.29 | pjz | sighs |
| 04:37.38 | rwhitby | oh, vim and git are in OE I expect |
| 04:38.01 | orzo | pulseaudio is for mixing? I told gst-launch to send directly to its alsasink rather than its pulsesink and it performed a lot better. Further, i launched another gst-launch on another file and it played them both simultaneously apprently acheiving the mix even though i never mentioned pulse |
| 04:38.08 | torindel | orzo: sink = gst.element_factory_make( "alsasink", "sink" ) |
| 04:38.12 | torindel | gst |
| 04:38.20 | pjz | ah? and is there a HOWTO on getting them built for the FreeRunner? |
| 04:38.21 | rwhitby | vim 7.0 and git 1.5.3 are there |
| 04:38.49 | pjz | rwhitby: or do I just need to add a new repo to my /etc/opkg/ config? |
| 04:39.10 | pjz | would love it if it were that easy |
| 04:39.32 | orzo | torindel: i'm not sure what question you are answering, but it's not mine. Can I play multiple audio streams at once without pulseaudio, and if so, why do i need pulseaudio? |
| 04:40.09 | torindel | orzo: "what does the dialer use to play ring tones" <= gst with alsasink |
| 04:40.16 | orzo | oh |
| 04:40.18 | orzo | i se |
| 04:40.18 | undrwater | has anyone seen "Registration Denied" with AT&T? |
| 04:40.20 | orzo | thanks |
| 04:40.26 | orzo | so it doesnt use pulse eitehr |
| 04:40.42 | orzo | why do we install pulse |
| 04:40.50 | AntonTakk | which image? |
| 04:40.55 | orzo | 2007.2 |
| 04:41.01 | pjz | orzo: I think Mickey took it out of FSO |
| 04:41.07 | pjz | orzo: so... we don't anymore :) |
| 04:41.19 | torindel | orzo: i was saying about fso dialler |
| 04:41.21 | AntonTakk | i thought pulse was included for things that needed to be faster than gst |
| 04:41.26 | orzo | oh |
| 04:41.46 | rwhitby | pjz: you can probably install them from the angstrom repos |
| 04:42.50 | orzo | "sink" doesn't occur in my 2007.2 dialer source |
| 04:43.27 | orzo | should I be using FSO? |
| 04:44.09 | pjz | rwhitby: woot! cool, thx |
| 04:44.24 | orzo | i have a neo1973 |
| 04:45.06 | torindel | orzo: fso works on neo1973 too |
| 04:45.41 | rwhitby | pjz: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=vim and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=git |
| 04:46.16 | orzo | what is fso |
| 04:46.21 | rwhitby | or you can build them with mokomakefile too |
| 04:46.22 | orzo | heh |
| 04:46.32 | rwhitby | freesmartphone.org -> f s o |
| 04:47.22 | torindel | had a lot less troubles compiling fso without mokomakefile |
| 04:48.58 | orzo | is fso based on 2007.2? |
| 04:49.01 | pjz | rwhitby: I tried to add the angstrom repo to my /etc/opkg list, but it didn't seem to do any good |
| 04:49.24 | pjz | orzo: read the wiki 'Distributions' page |
| 04:50.11 | torindel | orzo: fso is based on freesmartphone framework -__- |
| 04:50.45 | torindel | pjz: gta01 or 02? |
| 04:51.31 | pjz | torindel: 02 |
| 04:51.40 | torindel | i could build some packages since i already have finished image |
| 04:52.36 | rwhitby | torindel: the trouble comes from fso not using openmoko repos, so you need to build fso from OE repos, not OM repos. |
| 04:52.49 | rwhitby | (which mokomakefile doesn't do by default, but can easily be told to do) |
| 04:53.19 | torindel | rwhitby: i already did |
| 04:53.48 | torindel | but did it directly with oe stuff and bitbake |
| 04:54.18 | rwhitby | torindel: mokomakefile is just a wrapper around oe stuff and bitbake, so it should do exactly the same thing if you select the right repo and branch. |
| 04:55.15 | rwhitby | if you've got OE set up properly already, then you don't need mokomakefile anyway - you've already progressed beyond it |
| 04:55.52 | pjz | yeah, mokomakefile is for idjits like me who are too lazy to learn how to use bitbake and such |
| 04:56.39 | rwhitby | or for lazy buggers like me who only want to type one command to do stuff |
| 04:56.58 | pjz | rwhitby: any idea why adding the angstrom distro to my /etc/opkg feed list didn't seem to add any extra available packages? |
| 04:57.11 | pjz | did opkg update, opkg list |grep vim and found nothing |
| 04:57.14 | rwhitby | what exactly did you add? |
| 04:57.30 | pjz | src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/ , just like the wiki says |
| 04:57.41 | orzo | hm |
| 04:57.49 | pjz | in a file called 'angstrom-feed.conf' in /etc/opkg |
| 04:58.30 | pjz | opkg update says it's pulling down the Packages.gz |
| 04:58.48 | rwhitby | from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ ? |
| 04:59.21 | pjz | Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base//Packages.gz |
| 04:59.56 | rwhitby | are you sure it's built for that feed (which is different to the one I posted) |
| 05:00.11 | pjz | that feed is what the wiki says |
| 05:00.23 | pjz | but looking at the dir directly, the Packages.gz is 20 bytes |
| 05:00.31 | pjz | at angstrom-distribution.org |
| 05:00.45 | rwhitby | wikis are usually wrong :-) |
| 05:01.12 | pjz | yup, that's the problem. |
| 05:02.08 | pjz | fixes the wiki |
| 05:03.38 | pjz | installs vim. Yay! |
| 05:03.43 | rwhitby | better test the other one first ;-) |
| 05:04.02 | rwhitby | dependencies are likely to break from the 2007 feed |
| 05:05.04 | pjz | vim works |
| 05:05.08 | pjz | I just installed it |
| 05:05.18 | pjz | git is only available for armv6 though |
| 05:05.24 | rwhitby | torindel: which distro did you use to build fso - openmoko or angstrom-2008.1 ? |
| 05:05.42 | pjz | any way to kick angstrom-distribution.org into building it for the armv4t ? |
| 05:06.05 | rwhitby | pjz: ask on #angstrom |
| 05:06.51 | torindel | rwhitby: openmoko |
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| 05:08.08 | torindel | pjz: if you want i can send you both my current fso image and make some packages |
| 05:09.04 | pjz | torindel: I got mokomakefile to build me fso m1, and I downloaded m2 and turned it into a .tar.gz for my sdcard dev enviro |
| 05:09.33 | pjz | torindel: I would turn down a git package, though :) |
| 05:09.50 | pjz | torindel: since no one seems to be awake on #angstrom |
| 05:10.11 | cjb | any dbus experts around? I got networkmanager running, it's not finding the wpa_supplicant though. |
| 05:10.18 | cjb | (Which I think it expects to start via dbus activation.) |
| 05:10.39 | pjz | cjb: this on fso? |
| 05:10.47 | cjb | no, 2007.2 |
| 05:11.03 | pjz | cjb: I don't think 2007.2 does much via dbus, though I could be wrong |
| 05:11.05 | cjb | trying to get a GUI NM applet going for that. |
| 05:11.18 | cjb | pjz: well, it runs a system bus :) |
| 05:12.24 | orzo | hm |
| 05:13.05 | orzo | too many distros heh |
| 05:13.36 | orzo | does FSO have zenity? |
| 05:14.13 | bkruse | anyone tried to bitbake and DEPENDS on portaudio? :/ |
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| 05:20.37 | torindel | pjz: ftp://torindel.homeunix.org |
| 05:22.16 | pjz | torindel: woo! thanks! downloading now |
| 05:23.53 | torindel | also added sed,findutils,cpio |
| 05:24.06 | torindel | (depends for building git) |
| 05:24.17 | torindel | or running rater |
| 05:24.22 | torindel | +h |
| 05:25.22 | dns53 | so what distro does everyone use? |
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| 05:26.45 | cjb | dns53: I was just thinking about whether to switch to FSO2 |
| 05:26.49 | cjb | 2007.2 right now |
| 05:27.37 | cjb | I use tangogps a lot, wonder if that works well on FSO2 |
| 05:27.39 | orzo | me too, cjb |
| 05:27.43 | pjz | torindel: hrm. angstrom has sed & findutils; pulled down cpio from you |
| 05:27.49 | orzo | everything you are saying, me too |
| 05:27.51 | orzo | heh |
| 05:29.34 | pjz | torindel: okay, so for real fun, can you build vim with the python-scripting enabled? |
| 05:30.17 | pjz | torindel: debian/ubuntu call it vim-python, fedora/centos call it vim-enhanced |
| 05:30.41 | cjb | I guess I don't know much about FSO. Does it uses GTK, python? |
| 05:30.43 | orzo | i notice that FSO intends to use python which is apparently not even installed on my 2007.2 image |
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| 05:31.17 | orzo | there's a vid of FSO1 |
| 05:31.23 | cjb | are there any public FSO2 jffs2 images, or are we all supposed to build them separately? |
| 05:31.25 | cjb | yeah, I saw that |
| 05:32.01 | pjz | cjb: there's public ones ref'd from the wiki's Distributions page |
| 05:32.05 | cjb | pjz: thanks |
| 05:32.11 | torindel | pjz: how much kB/s you had when you dl from that ftp? i think they changed something with my upload |
| 05:32.25 | pjz | torindel: I think like 120ish or so |
| 05:32.43 | torindel | beh and i hoped -_- |
| 05:32.57 | orzo | is there a vid of FSO2 ? |
| 05:34.01 | cjb | guess I'll install it. bored enough. :) |
| 05:34.09 | cjb | would help if I knew that tangogps worked, though |
| 05:34.18 | orzo | i have reason to think it does |
| 05:34.24 | orzo | holon and i'll paste |
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| 05:35.18 | orzo | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td639945 |
| 05:35.32 | orzo | "Fact is: Openmoko is NOT developing its own gps software, in fact we all like |
| 05:35.32 | orzo | Tango GPS a lot. It talks nicely to our opgsd implementation and will be |
| 05:35.32 | orzo | included by default in the FSO milestone2." -- mickey |
| 05:35.52 | cjb | hm: |
| 05:35.57 | cjb | http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080730-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:36.02 | cjb | should there be a gta02 rootfs too? |
| 05:36.06 | cjb | or do they share the same rootfs? |
| 05:36.13 | cjb | huh, cool |
| 05:36.38 | torindel | pjz: does just "vim" will be python enabled? |
| 05:37.05 | torindel | since theres no -python nor -enhanced bb |
| 05:37.05 | orzo | cjb, based on a mailing list article, it's later on just not on teh first page? |
| 05:37.22 | torindel | i can build gvim too |
| 05:37.37 | cjb | orzo: oh.. can't see it |
| 05:38.05 | Voyd | cjb: it has a .summary extension |
| 05:38.10 | cjb | Voyd: oh! |
| 05:38.13 | orzo | do you use a freerunner, cjb? |
| 05:38.18 | cjb | I thought that would just be the sumtool output |
| 05:38.20 | cjb | orzo: yes |
| 05:38.26 | pjz | torindel: it's a build option when you're building vim; you'll have to figure out how to turn it on, and then the result will probably still be a package named 'vim', but it will allow python scriptin |
| 05:38.34 | cjb | Voyd: Thanks. |
| 05:38.43 | cjb | Voyd: Flash it normally, even though it ends in .summary? |
| 05:39.03 | Voyd | cjb: i am actually here because i am having problems with it |
| 05:39.16 | torindel | pjz: i'll just first try to build it normally |
| 05:39.17 | orzo | vim and python sounds kind of heavy for my neo1975 |
| 05:39.35 | cjb | Voyd: well, I guess I'll flash it and then we can both have the same problem :) |
| 05:39.48 | orzo | i thought busybox and zenity might be a better idea |
| 05:39.56 | Voyd | cjb: i'll see if i can track down the thread on the mailing list where it was discussed |
| 05:40.03 | torindel | pjz: then i can try with --with-features=big |
| 05:40.48 | cjb | Voyd: I tracked down one, but everyone just said to use the summary |
| 05:40.56 | pjz | torindel: hrm, yeah, try that and then maybe poke around in the resulting config files and see if python is enabled |
| 05:41.31 | pjz | torindel: or jsut put it up and I'll pull it down and install it and see if it works :) |
| 05:42.05 | torindel | pjz: ok normal build on ftp |
| 05:42.35 | Voyd | cjb: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/024608.html |
| 05:43.38 | cjb | Voyd: yeah, saw that one. it's flashing now. |
| 05:43.55 | Voyd | cjb: let me know how it goes |
| 05:45.02 | undrwater | OK....i'm reading the Import Vcf Contacts wiki...but I don't understand how to get my .vcf from evolution into my contacts...do i run the python script against the .vcf file? it mentions a .txt file |
| 05:45.18 | torindel | pjz: compiled gvim also |
| 05:45.46 | tunys | http://is.gd/1d6f |
| 05:47.06 | pjz | augh, git depends on perl |
| 05:47.09 | pjz | forogt |
| 05:50.45 | torindel | pjz: ok its there |
| 05:51.23 | cjb | Voyd: it's booting now. |
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| 05:53.41 | pjz | torindel: wow, cool. downloading again! |
| 05:54.26 | Voyd | cjb: did you build dfu-util from source or download a binary? |
| 05:54.35 | torindel | wants microb for moko -__-; |
| 05:54.49 | orzo | "People report that despite its infancy, e.g. the phone server part in FSO is already more solid than anywhere else. " |
| 05:54.55 | orzo | what is "the phone server part" ? |
| 05:54.59 | pjz | torindel: okay, tried out vim and python's not enabled in it |
| 05:56.17 | torindel | pjz: and gvim? |
| 05:56.47 | cjb | Voyd: binary |
| 05:57.04 | cjb | I can't work out, with FSO2, whether the GSM is working |
| 05:57.10 | cjb | tried to make a call, didn't seem to work |
| 05:57.11 | torindel | orzo: the thing that lets you call/receive calls/send/receive sms/check contacts |
| 05:57.38 | torindel | cjb: you cant start dialler or? |
| 05:57.52 | pjz | torindel: haven't tried gvim yet :) |
| 05:58.06 | pjz | torindel: still downloading perl.. wow, it's down to 13k/s |
| 05:58.14 | Voyd | cjb: what version of dfu-util? |
| 05:58.18 | cjb | torindel: can start dialer, when I make a call it says "release" immediately |
| 05:58.36 | cjb | Voyd: dfu-util version 0.1+svn4160 |
| 05:58.46 | pjz | torindel: up to 15... no, 16kb/s now |
| 05:59.33 | torindel | pjz: you should have same speed as earlier |
| 05:59.42 | torindel | i'm not sending/dling anything |
| 05:59.58 | torindel | cjb: care to debug that? |
| 06:00.30 | Voyd | cjb: and you are just using the preinstalled version of u-boot? |
| 06:00.49 | cjb | torindel: sure |
| 06:00.51 | cjb | Voyd: yes |
| 06:01.09 | cjb | torindel: is there a gsmd log somewhere? |
| 06:01.15 | dns53 | is there any major feature improvements in using a different uboot? |
| 06:01.21 | cjb | torindel: I have an AT&T SIM which sometimes takes an extra reboot to register. |
| 06:01.57 | Voyd | oh dear |
| 06:02.23 | cjb | dns53: I think there's one related to power on with low battery |
| 06:02.31 | orzo | hm |
| 06:02.48 | torindel | cjb: ssh to moko kill frameworkd, and start it in ssh (python /usr/bin/frameworkd) |
| 06:03.05 | cjb | torindel: ok, moment. I haven't heard any sound from the interface at all yet; is that expected? |
| 06:03.08 | torindel | and post log from that when you make call |
| 06:03.18 | cjb | I haven't installed the modules.tgz yet, am doing that now |
| 06:03.23 | cjb | maybe the sound driver's in there or something? |
| 06:03.37 | torindel | cjb: theres only call sound |
| 06:03.43 | torindel | and it should work |
| 06:03.54 | torindel | (phone ring) |
| 06:03.55 | cjb | kk |
| 06:04.32 | pjz | torindel: perl needs libperl5 |
| 06:04.57 | cjb | ah, just tried calling, didn't ring |
| 06:05.18 | undrwater | has anyone successfully imported contacts? |
| 06:05.25 | undrwater | on 2007? |
| 06:06.10 | torindel | pjz: done |
| 06:06.30 | torindel | undrwater: successfuly? you mean like 50%? ;] |
| 06:06.40 | matholio | is there a nano package for OM ? |
| 06:06.43 | torindel | 2007.2 contacts are bugged |
| 06:06.44 | pjz | torindel: uh... now downloading at 2k/s |
| 06:06.45 | cjb | torindel: tried again with frameworkd running under ssh, same. Is there a way to kick GSM into trying again? |
| 06:06.51 | torindel | o_O |
| 06:06.52 | cjb | torindel: or to see the gsm log? |
| 06:07.05 | undrwater | torindel: yeah...i can't even get 1% |
| 06:07.38 | torindel | pjz: i can restart dsl but i doubt it'll help |
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| 06:08.07 | torindel | cjb: paste frameworkd log first |
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| 06:08.47 | cjb | torindel: http://pastebin.com/m14bb923d |
| 06:09.02 | torindel | cjb: later you can turn on debug in parser to get it very spammy if there wherent anything interesting in normal log;] |
| 06:09.13 | pjz | torindel: hrm, okay. I'll just be patient... very patient :) |
| 06:10.01 | torindel | cjb: anything more? |
| 06:10.09 | torindel | cjb: close / start zhone |
| 06:10.14 | torindel | and try calling again |
| 06:10.14 | cjb | k |
| 06:10.19 | cjb | how do I close an app? :) |
| 06:10.26 | torindel | upper bar |
| 06:10.37 | torindel | expand it and select remove |
| 06:10.48 | cjb | ok |
| 06:12.01 | cjb | torindel: all working :) |
| 06:12.08 | cjb | last time I didn't get the operator name and blue bar |
| 06:12.15 | cjb | (and didn't realize to expect it there) |
| 06:12.29 | torindel | so you wherent registered to the network |
| 06:12.32 | cjb | right |
| 06:12.50 | torindel | try booting moko normally and see if it registers |
| 06:13.04 | cjb | will do. I know the SIM is dodgy, so I wouldn't blame you if it doesn't :) |
| 06:13.13 | cjb | is there a wifi selector for FSO yet? |
| 06:13.20 | torindel | nope |
| 06:13.25 | pjz | I think there's two, but neither is packaged |
| 06:13.26 | cjb | cool. could I write one? |
| 06:13.36 | cjb | are we interested in running NetworkManager? |
| 06:13.38 | torindel | yep, just look at framework |
| 06:13.40 | pjz | check projects.openmoko.org |
| 06:13.45 | torindel | some things are started |
| 06:14.14 | cjb | ah, I see Mofi Wifi |
| 06:15.28 | torindel | write something that uses fso framework |
| 06:15.51 | cjb | yeah |
| 06:16.12 | cjb | there's no current fso project for wifi, then? Should I take part in specifying the dbus interface, or should we just use NM, or should we not use a dbus interface at all? |
| 06:16.17 | torindel | heh my cat requires some love ;] |
| 06:16.19 | pjz | torindel: it just sped up for some reason |
| 06:16.29 | torindel | pjz: wasnt me |
| 06:16.41 | pjz | heh |
| 06:16.49 | pjz | waits for git to finish installing |
| 06:17.01 | torindel | cjb: dbus + fso |
| 06:17.02 | pjz | it's a rather large package |
| 06:17.04 | pjz | 20Mb |
| 06:17.30 | torindel | i dont like nm even on normal pc ;] |
| 06:18.18 | cjb | torindel: well, writing robust wifi support is hard these days, with WEP/WPA/WPA2/WPA+/etc :) |
| 06:18.26 | cjb | so seems like it would be best to use NM |
| 06:19.00 | torindel | cjb: nm uses wpa_supplicant for that anyways |
| 06:19.22 | pjz | yah, most of the chrome just calls cmdline stuff underneath anyway |
| 06:19.29 | cjb | torindel: yup. |
| 06:19.33 | pjz | iwconfig and wpa_supplicant and etc |
| 06:19.48 | pjz | did some work on ieatlint's lint-wifi thing |
| 06:20.00 | cjb | pjz: is that for FSO? |
| 06:20.19 | cjb | ah, I see, pygtk |
| 06:20.42 | pjz | cjb: it's for whatever can deal with pygtk |
| 06:20.55 | pjz | torindel: okay, cool, git is solved |
| 06:21.10 | torindel | cjb: idea about fso is that app doesnt touch hardware |
| 06:21.28 | cjb | torindel: nod. NetworkManager has the same idea. :) |
| 06:21.45 | torindel | i.e. it doesnt know if you're in no radio zone nor anything about profiles etc |
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| 06:22.24 | pjz | woo, git is *fast*, even on gta02 |
| 06:22.32 | torindel | cjb: i meant idea that app cannot change things directly |
| 06:22.48 | torindel | even if it wanted too, it have to use framework |
| 06:23.19 | cjb | well, even NetworkManager has a distinction between NetworkManager->NetworkManagerDispatcher->wpa_supplicant. |
| 06:23.31 | pjz | torindel: gvim conflicts with vim; I'd like to be able to run it in a terminal, so I don't want to remove regular vim |
| 06:23.47 | cjb | Anyway. I don't mean to sound like I love NetworkManager. I like it more than I like reimplementing wifi support from scratch. |
| 06:24.11 | pjz | cjb: it's not so much reimplementing wifi support as it is reimplmenting wifi chrome |
| 06:24.13 | cjb | hm, looks like FSO ships with an invalid setup for opkg. Which one should be used? |
| 06:24.26 | cjb | pjz: yeah, maybe. |
| 06:24.34 | torindel | cjb: but it doesnt know anything about phone profiles -__-; |
| 06:25.00 | pjz | torindel: see if you can find a +python switch in the vim build |
| 06:25.02 | torindel | cjb: plus i think theres some work started in framework |
| 06:25.18 | pjz | should figure out how to pull down the source for the vim pkg |
| 06:25.20 | ieatlint | networkmanager always had an excessive amount of overhead i always thought |
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| 06:25.59 | cjb | ieatlint: then we should help them out by working out where the overhead is and pushing it into a layer we don't have to adopt, I guess. |
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| 06:26.37 | ieatlint | i only work on proprietary, closed source software |
| 06:26.41 | cjb | it's rare that an upstream project will be perfect for you. the scale benefits of adapting to its quirks are usually worth it, since something like NM is maintained by many people. |
| 06:26.43 | torindel | microb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2590390805/ , http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2590390805/ , http://browser.garage.maemo.org/pics/maemo-org.png |
| 06:27.16 | cjb | ieatlint: You picked a bad language to implement lint-wifi in, then :) |
| 06:27.22 | ieatlint | cjb, it's not that it's not good, it's that it's not oriented towards mobile devices with no real keyboard and small resolution |
| 06:27.34 | cjb | ieatlint: oh, of course we need a different UI |
| 06:27.42 | cjb | but that's already supported |
| 06:27.50 | ieatlint | perhaps i'll look into it |
| 06:27.50 | cjb | there's the gnome network-manager panel, KNetworkManager, etc |
| 06:28.00 | ieatlint | although i am a bit annoyed with the disappearance of pygtk from the repos |
| 06:28.09 | torindel | what you guys think about that ^ |
| 06:28.12 | cjb | I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think they have the right abstraction already |
| 06:28.26 | dns53 | how do you shut down a phone running fso? |
| 06:28.44 | pjz | dns53: shutdown -h now |
| 06:28.53 | cjb | heh |
| 06:29.12 | dns53 | removeing the battery also works |
| 06:29.18 | pjz | nods solemnly. |
| 06:29.29 | ieatlint | what i really need is to get a proper toolchain setup so i can build gtk apps inc |
| 06:29.32 | ieatlint | in c |
| 06:29.39 | cjb | hah, that FSO ringtone is.. interesting |
| 06:29.50 | pjz | cjb: what is it? |
| 06:30.02 | pjz | hasn't called his fso2 imageyet |
| 06:30.08 | cjb | some techno thing that sounds mostly like white noise and vibration |
| 06:30.27 | cjb | with a hint of construction work |
| 06:30.33 | ieatlint | it's arkanoid theme |
| 06:30.39 | ieatlint | like, the original one |
| 06:30.50 | cjb | that'd do it :) |
| 06:31.40 | ieatlint | "(AMIGA) sidtune w/ header v2, 20 songs, default song: 1 name: "Arkanoid" author: "Martin Galway" copyright: "1987 Imagine"" |
| 06:31.48 | torindel | cjb: thats arkanoid |
| 06:31.48 | torindel | ;] |
| 06:32.44 | torindel | pjz: ok cleaning and rebuilding vim |
| 06:34.20 | pjz | torindel: you're likely going to have to manually poke at the vim config to try and enable python scripting |
| 06:34.24 | cjb | torindel: do you think python can run fast enough on the phone? |
| 06:34.38 | pjz | cjb: fso is largely python |
| 06:34.52 | cjb | I thought using C on 2007.2 made quite a bit of sense, because python runs pretty slowly on the FR. |
| 06:34.55 | torindel | pjz: yea i enabled python and python interpreter |
| 06:34.58 | cjb | pjz: yeah |
| 06:35.03 | pjz | cjb: so I think it's been proven to run okay |
| 06:35.08 | pjz | torindel: ah, cool, thanks! |
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| 06:36.14 | torindel | pjz: it doesnt apear to love us: /home/shadow/Projects/openmoko/fso-current/build/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/include/python2.5/pyport.h:734:2: error: #error "LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform (bad gcc/glibc config?). |
| 06:36.32 | pjz | torindel: ah. ow. |
| 06:36.45 | ieatlint | i ran into that more than a few times |
| 06:37.05 | torindel | ieatlint: fixed that before? |
| 06:37.22 | ieatlint | it's a cross compile issue i know.... |
| 06:37.42 | ieatlint | one sec, trying to lookup if i did have a solution |
| 06:37.55 | ieatlint | i remember google was flooded with that error |
| 06:38.33 | ieatlint | heh, this error pisses me off: configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling |
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| 06:39.04 | Vegar | just comment out the #error in pyport.h if you're certain it won't hurt |
| 06:40.31 | ieatlint | he's got a point |
| 06:41.12 | torindel | pjz: ok you'll be a test rabbit |
| 06:41.38 | ieatlint | torindel, you're on 64bit, right? |
| 06:41.50 | pjz | torindel: no worries :) |
| 06:43.29 | pjz | torindel: it's up there now? |
| 06:43.50 | cjb | I wonder if anyone's working on switching FSO over to glamo instead of fbdev |
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| 06:44.16 | torindel | ieatlint: yep |
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| 06:44.57 | cjb | oh, I assumed the top applets would be Python |
| 06:45.03 | cjb | but looks like they're C/illume? |
| 06:45.15 | torindel | cjb: well this looks like glamo: /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga |
| 06:45.20 | cjb | agreed |
| 06:45.21 | ieatlint | http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-March/001722.html and http://bugs.python.org/issue1597850 talk about it |
| 06:45.29 | cjb | just noticed that. Someone else said it used fbdev. |
| 06:45.34 | cjb | I wonder why the compositing is so slow |
| 06:45.40 | cjb | for e.g. the menu pulldowns or finger scrolling |
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| 06:45.58 | cjb | I was hoping they were unaccelerated, I guess |
| 06:46.22 | cjb | I see, it's ASU that uses fbdev |
| 06:47.37 | malik1972 | did someone had the following issue which probably arises from uboot: my freerunner waked up from a shutoff and all data on the microsd was missing, corrupted?! |
| 06:48.10 | baird | I've had that too. |
| 06:48.20 | cjb | malik1972: it's a filed bug. |
| 06:48.34 | malik1972 | in the bug tracker? |
| 06:48.38 | cjb | it's particularly deja-vu for me, because OLPC had exactly the same bug (partition table corrupted after suspend) |
| 06:49.02 | pjz | torindel: well, I'll have to play test rabbit tomorrow; I'm going to bed now |
| 06:49.06 | malik1972 | nothing to do? repartition and put the data back? |
| 06:49.16 | pjz | torindel: thanks for getting git working for me ! |
| 06:49.29 | malik1972 | cjb: what did you do? |
| 06:49.40 | cjb | malik1972: I think there's a way to recover the partition table |
| 06:49.46 | cjb | it's not the data that's gone, just the table |
| 06:49.54 | cjb | malik1972: we added a delay to resume that seemed to workaround the problem |
| 06:50.42 | malik1972 | cjb: do you have a link with the workaround? fdisk gives me no partition table |
| 06:51.36 | malik1972 | cjb: the problem come from uboot right? |
| 06:51.57 | cjb | malik1972: no, kernel |
| 06:52.07 | malik1972 | ohhh |
| 06:52.31 | cjb | malik1972: the workaround is a kernel patch for the OLPC kernel. I don't know if there's a workaround for the openmoko kernel yet. |
| 06:52.32 | malik1972 | cjb: i use mwesters kernel |
| 06:52.50 | cjb | oh, you mean how to recreate the partition table. I dunno. |
| 06:53.08 | malik1972 | with fdisk |
| 06:53.17 | malik1972 | or? |
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| 06:54.27 | cjb | yes |
| 06:54.32 | cjb | but I don't know any more details. |
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| 06:55.06 | malik1972 | it would be nice to do that otherwise some users will get crazy as it seems to happen quite often:-) |
| 06:55.32 | cjb | yeah. the workaround is not to use suspend/resume. |
| 06:55.46 | torindel | malik1972: if you remember what you typed in fdisk it'll work if you type same thing |
| 06:55.52 | bkruse | XorA|gone: send me an email when you have a chance, bkruse@openmoko.org |
| 06:56.01 | matholio | is there any python access to gsmd in 2007.2 ? |
| 06:56.35 | torindel | matholio: use fso, you'll have full python access to gsm, gps etc |
| 06:56.37 | cjb | matholio: there's no python in 2007.2. |
| 06:57.01 | malik1972 | cjb: no, i didnt used suspen/resume. i shut the freerunner down and the issue arised after the booting process |
| 06:58.00 | baird | sfdisk give command-line partition dumping/restoring/verifying |
| 07:00.07 | malik1972 | yeah, i guess i have to backup it the next time |
| 07:00.24 | cjb | torindel: hey, how does frameworkd decide whether the user's idle? |
| 07:00.37 | Wonka | anyone got an idea why my AUX button is shining red? |
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| 07:02.34 | baird | W: has usb networking died as well? |
| 07:03.06 | malik1972 | wonka: same here |
| 07:03.14 | baird | (I'm seeing the same issue... no answers yet) |
| 07:03.46 | malik1972 | baird: someone told me that there is a reorganizing concerning the modules |
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| 07:05.02 | baird | out of date modules, then? |
| 07:05.08 | malik1972 | see http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052 |
| 07:05.21 | cjb | torindel: ah, I looked at the source. It opens /dev/input/eventN and looks for idleness that way. |
| 07:06.34 | baird | so.. a usb watchdog? |
| 07:07.26 | malik1972 | i am lost with fdisk |
| 07:07.54 | Wonka | python... "import soul;" |
| 07:08.01 | cjb | 'night all |
| 07:08.22 | malik1972 | it shows me the 1021 cylinders, before it was a different "division" |
| 07:10.16 | malik1972 | Openmoko has a problem |
| 07:10.16 | malik1972 | Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. |
| 07:10.24 | malik1972 | hehe |
| 07:11.55 | malik1972 | what a start in a new day, the freerunner wakes itself up, the sd partition table is corrupted and possible solution could not be retrieved as om is down |
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| 07:13.14 | malik1972 | where is the plane crashing on my desktop?;-) |
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| 07:22.18 | matholio | is there any docs on how the app.desktop should/can be used? |
| 07:22.44 | matholio | I want a shortcut to a bash script. |
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| 07:25.44 | torindel | is back |
| 07:26.06 | torindel | matholio: normally as you would on desktop |
| 07:27.08 | torindel | matholio: existing desktop file should be enough for example |
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| 07:40.04 | roh | fixed |
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| 08:13.59 | dns53 | are there any software repo's for qtopia? |
| 08:17.59 | malik1972 | dns53: yes |
| 08:18.24 | dns53 | any idea where? |
| 08:18.28 | malik1972 | dns53: http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo/ |
| 08:18.49 | malik1972 | dns53: not much ... but ... |
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| 08:19.56 | Guilt | hey. my battery is discharging too fast |
| 08:20.10 | Guilt | i'm using om2007.2 with the 20080801 image |
| 08:20.12 | Guilt | is this common? |
| 08:20.21 | Guilt | i'm unable to use it as a phone, basically. |
| 08:20.24 | Guilt | :(( |
| 08:20.28 | chefo | is here any expert for git / stgit? |
| 08:20.32 | Guilt | any suggestions/patches? |
| 08:20.44 | Guilt | or is there a replacement i need for my bat |
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| 08:22.09 | ceda | Hi. I'm looking for opkg feeds (or really what to put in /etc/opkg/ config files) for FSO. |
| 08:22.59 | chefo | can anybody explain to me how i can extract the currently used series / patches from the git tree? |
| 08:24.16 | Guilt | git pull ? |
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| 08:24.49 | chefo | git pull is fine, but i want only the patch set |
| 08:25.54 | ronny | chefo: you want to transplant it? |
| 08:26.10 | chefo | ronny: yes |
| 08:27.14 | ronny | git can do that, i just dont remember how |
| 08:29.16 | Kero | Guilt: how fast is too fast? Does the phone get warm? |
| 08:30.04 | Guilt | yes |
| 08:30.06 | Guilt | a bit. |
| 08:30.21 | Guilt | it discharges as quickly as 3 hours or less |
| 08:30.29 | chefo | ronny: after much pain with software versions both on svn and git, i now want to go my own way. as an example i can name the "devirginator" package which points to non-existing files on the web, the openocd files are not usable with recent openocd versions and so on |
| 08:30.33 | Guilt | sometimes even after charging it discharges in 1 hr or so |
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| 08:31.07 | Guilt | i'm using OM 2007.2 |
| 08:31.14 | Guilt | does it have the necessary patches first? |
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| 08:32.58 | Guilt | cat /proc/apm : 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x03 35% 213 min |
| 08:33.08 | Guilt | that's bad.. it takes 3 more hours to charge? |
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| 08:39.06 | Guilt | i'm going to use fbdev instead of glamo |
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| 08:39.32 | aggtrfrad | does this apply for the freerunner also? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
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| 08:42.50 | Kero | Guilt: only charges w/ 500mA, but guess how much power the phone uses when switching all hardware on... |
| 08:43.47 | Kero | thus it gets warm. I forgot how many suspend capabilities 2007.2 had (and/or know what 20080801 image has) |
| 08:46.38 | ieatlint | the phone charges with 1A using the wall charger |
| 08:47.11 | ieatlint | and in theory, if you do a usb y-cable, drawing power from 2 usb ports, you can pull 1A while connected to a computer |
| 08:47.46 | aggtrfrad | does this apply for the freerunner also? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 08:47.59 | ieatlint | (note that certain usb controllers are not able to supply 1A, and you may fry your usb controller if not [try using a powered usb hub]) |
| 08:49.34 | ieatlint | oh, and that the phone won't charge with 1A unless there is a specific capacitor in it (like there is in the wall charger) or you force it to using a setting in /sys |
| 08:49.55 | ieatlint | in it == in the usb cable |
| 08:50.43 | ieatlint | the y-cables are used often enough for external hdds, so you can probably find one without too much effort.. |
| 08:51.53 | ceda | aggtrfrad: what part of it? all the sys devices are there but I can't get any devices to work properly |
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| 08:52.13 | ceda | aggtrfrad: looks like it's not getting enough power |
| 08:52.16 | aggtrfrad | the first part |
| 08:52.32 | aggtrfrad | setting host mode and setting power supply |
| 08:53.10 | aggtrfrad | well they talk about 500mw so... |
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| 08:54.39 | ceda | and that part doesn't seem to work |
| 08:55.21 | kd8ikt | ieatlint: |
| 08:55.28 | kd8ikt | ping! |
| 08:55.30 | ceda | aggtrfrad: but I'm on FSO right now |
| 08:55.32 | ieatlint | hey kd8ikt |
| 08:55.50 | kd8ikt | lol checkout wifiweasel |
| 08:56.05 | kd8ikt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifiweasel |
| 08:57.06 | kd8ikt | i was thinking if i adhoc fallback and/or a bunch of default easy passwords for all encrypted nets like 12345678 |
| 08:57.23 | ieatlint | hah |
| 08:57.39 | kd8ikt | that'd be a neat trick though of it while i was at a place with no wifi, depressing |
| 08:57.46 | ieatlint | i've got a lot of work to do and i'm doing nothing... yay |
| 08:58.00 | kd8ikt | lol i just smoked some doobage |
| 08:58.35 | kd8ikt | liek the weasel? |
| 08:58.45 | kd8ikt | did that eralier today |
| 08:58.46 | ieatlint | i'm going through a stack of old hdds seeing if there is anything interesting on them |
| 08:58.50 | ieatlint | funneh |
| 08:59.05 | kd8ikt | heh prolly vind some old scummvm games |
| 08:59.22 | kd8ikt | i think i lost my stylus |
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| 09:00.08 | kd8ikt | ever since i put a d/l link to lint-wifi i think more poeple are trying it (precompiled bins |
| 09:00.29 | kd8ikt | my apache access log has been blowing up |
| 09:00.32 | ieatlint | yeah, although you should know, the gpl says that you must including the source :P |
| 09:00.55 | kd8ikt | lol its on projects.openmoko so its all gravy i didnt change anyting |
| 09:00.58 | ieatlint | not that i really care, heh |
| 09:01.15 | kd8ikt | though thinking about it i coulda sneaked in a trojan |
| 09:01.16 | torindel | ieatlint: gpl only says that source must be obtainable on demand |
| 09:01.18 | ieatlint | i put the source up, but i obviously compiled it since few people have arm toolchains |
| 09:01.38 | kd8ikt | or the time to compile themselves |
| 09:01.55 | kd8ikt | need to throw the binary on the downlaod section for noobs |
| 09:01.58 | ieatlint | torindel, yeah, i knew i exagerrated, but taking a binary without any reference to its licence or where to obtain the source violates the gpl methinks |
| 09:02.51 | kd8ikt | i'd think it just needs an ipkg conf |
| 09:03.01 | kd8ikt | an ipkg would be tits |
| 09:03.04 | torindel | it can be without licence but then it should be on dl page forcing you to read it before dl |
| 09:03.12 | kd8ikt | yea |
| 09:03.23 | kd8ikt | i drank too much |
| 09:03.56 | torindel | gives kd8ikt tits pillow |
| 09:03.59 | torindel | go to sleep |
| 09:04.00 | torindel | ;] |
| 09:04.08 | kd8ikt | i should' |
| 09:04.23 | ieatlint | i had a full pint |
| 09:04.32 | ieatlint | means i'm at the perfect drunkeness to code |
| 09:05.06 | ieatlint | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 09:05.17 | ieatlint | according to that, i need to drink a lot more |
| 09:05.19 | kd8ikt | some fugly waffle house chick was hitting on me |
| 09:05.39 | ieatlint | chicken and waffles, huh? |
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| 09:08.36 | kd8ikt | dangit lost my stylus |
| 09:08.56 | ieatlint | i've been using gameboy ds styli |
| 09:09.03 | ieatlint | cheap, small and convenient |
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| 09:10.03 | kd8ikt | those lil snaky ones? |
| 09:10.12 | ieatlint | no, the standard ones |
| 09:10.27 | ieatlint | ~5" long |
| 09:10.40 | ieatlint | err, more like 4 i suppose |
| 09:10.41 | kd8ikt | i want me a bluetooth headset |
| 09:11.04 | ieatlint | i've got one, they rule |
| 09:11.12 | ieatlint | although currently do not work on the FR |
| 09:11.13 | torindel | kd8ikt: get two, you'll have stereo ;] |
| 09:11.20 | ieatlint | i need to fix that |
| 09:11.37 | ieatlint | i used to sit on the bus and on trains listening to audiobooks over it using my old phone |
| 09:11.39 | kd8ikt | shouldnt be too hard to setup |
| 09:11.53 | ieatlint | need to recompile bluez |
| 09:12.25 | ieatlint | i installed the mokomakefile toolchain in like 4 or 5 hours, and then haven't touched it |
| 09:12.28 | kd8ikt | i used my old phone with asterisk once (blutooth) |
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| 09:31.13 | dns53 | has anyone tried to install debian? |
| 09:31.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dns53, the short answer is yes, but not me ;) |
| 09:32.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | has it as a 'todo' still |
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| 09:34.39 | ieatlint | any specific point in installing debian, really? |
| 09:35.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | existing packages. lots of |
| 09:35.51 | dns53 | you have a lot of software there |
| 09:36.03 | ieatlint | they have a binary arm branch? |
| 09:36.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 09:36.23 | dns53 | they have a branch for most archs |
| 09:38.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | mutters about 'do they have an arm branch' |
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| 09:40.16 | XorA|gone | ~lart portaudio |
| 09:40.16 | apt | cats /dev/urandom into portaudio's ear |
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| 09:44.47 | dns53 | when you boot off a memory card it should just work if you have a uImage.bin one one of the partitions? |
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| 09:51.53 | dns53 | cool debian does work, so you just partition the card, create a fat and put a uImage.bin on that partion, you then make a ext3 partition to contain the contents of the tar |
| 09:52.45 | ecraven | ext2 works better for me |
| 09:53.03 | ecraven | but everything works so far, if you copy Xfbdev and Xglamo from some other distro |
| 09:53.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * rfbd3fbb81351 10/packages/portaudio/portaudio_0.0.19.bb: [portaudio] make recipe not blow up, doesnt compile but at least bitbake |
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| 09:53.33 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r584e46b07d15 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [preferred-om-2008-versions] increment libogg |
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| 09:58.40 | Wonka | mh, may it be that the red AUX LED means "charging"? |
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| 10:00.17 | XorA|gone | Wonka: thats what it means |
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| 10:23.42 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 10:24.10 | dns53 | hi |
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| 10:34.28 | Liorithiel | hi, i cant do `opkg install python-pygtk`, where are the packages now? |
| 10:35.06 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: is it giving an error? |
| 10:35.50 | Liorithiel | Melchiorre: yes, "An error ocurred, return value: 2." |
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| 10:36.40 | Melchiorre | hmm... hang on a tick, I'll try it on mine |
| 10:37.05 | Liorithiel | btw, how much freerunners were sold in july? |
| 10:37.20 | Liorithiel | many* |
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| 10:42.11 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: sorry for the wait. It installed fine for me, have you tried 'opkg update' -ing? |
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| 10:42.56 | moidekar | !help |
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| 10:45.16 | Liorithiel | Melchiorre: yes, i did |
| 10:46.30 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: do you know that your FR has access to the net? (Can you 'ping google.com'?) |
| 10:47.40 | Liorithiel | Melchiorre: yes, i can f.e. install 'python' |
| 10:47.48 | moidekar | Hi, I have a problem: after doing my first opkg upgrade on a fresh FR, X server does not start. Would someone please help me get it working? The error at http://pastebin.com/d140d3a1c is repeated 4 times before I am dropped to a login prompt |
| 10:48.54 | Fossi | moidekar: check which repositories you have set up, i had that when using scaredycat's and openmokos rep at the same time |
| 10:49.42 | moidekar | Fossi, where do I look for that? |
| 10:49.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Liorithiel, have you searched to make sure the package exists? |
| 10:49.57 | Melchiorre | Kamping_Kaiser: it does, i just installed it |
| 10:50.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | nod |
| 10:50.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | goes to reimage his kernel in the hopes he can start to use his fr again |
| 10:50.38 | Melchiorre | Kamping_Kaiser: :( |
| 10:50.47 | Fossi | moidekar: did you change anything in /etc/opkg/ ? |
| 10:50.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melchiorre, :\ |
| 10:51.28 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: do you have any third party repos set up? I have scaredycats, and maybe I'm egtting it from there? :S |
| 10:51.35 | moidekar | Fossi: no, I didn't change anything there; the original files are all-feed.conf arch.conf armv4t-feed.conf neo1973-feed.conf om-gta02-feed.conf |
| 10:51.47 | Liorithiel | no, only official... i'll add scaredycats |
| 10:51.59 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: good luck! :) |
| 10:52.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melchiorre, opkg can tell you where packages come from - use the tool :) |
| 10:52.19 | moidekar | Fossi: I followed the wiki to getting USB networking up, did the dropbear upgrade, the -test upgrade, and then the upgrade itself |
| 10:52.23 | Liorithiel | but i'm sure i installed pygtk earlier without scaredycats... |
| 10:52.40 | moidekar | After that, it said it was restarting the X server but didn't for about 10 minutes |
| 10:52.57 | moidekar | So I rebooted the phone; after that, it comes up with this error and X does not start |
| 10:53.28 | Fossi | yeha, i had the same problem |
| 10:53.42 | moidekar | Fossi, how did you sort it out? |
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| 10:55.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | one thing i'm wondering: is there a way to save a package list? |
| 10:56.03 | moidekar | Fossi/Fossi1: you back? |
| 10:56.03 | Liorithiel | ha, it does work now, thanks Melchiorre |
| 10:56.16 | Fossi1 | i am |
| 10:56.17 | Melchiorre | Liorithiel: sweet, no worries :D |
| 10:56.45 | Melchiorre | Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean by "save a package list"? |
| 10:56.49 | moidekar | Fossi1: could you pls give me some pointers to help me get around this prob? |
| 10:57.07 | Fossi1 | moidekar: as is said: does opkg update give any warnings? |
| 10:57.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melchiorre, an equivilant to `dpkg --get-selections > ~/myPackages` |
| 10:57.38 | Melchiorre | Kamping_Kaiser: oh, right |
| 10:57.54 | moidekar | Fossi1: opkg update gave 404s on the package sigs but the wiki says that is only cosmetic and everything should work... |
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| 10:58.07 | Fossi1 | opkg list_installed (cut or sed etc) > ~/mypackages? |
| 10:58.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | only cosmetic. heh |
| 10:58.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Fossi1, thanks, i'll try that if it boots up :) |
| 10:58.51 | moidekar | opkg -test upgrade gave errors that gtk+ wanted to write a bunch of files that were already installed by gtk+fastscaling (not sure I have the pkg names right, best of memory of what I saw) |
| 10:59.42 | Fossi1 | yeah, i have that error too |
| 10:59.58 | moidekar | Kamping_Kaiser, try "opkg list_installed > file.name" - I just did that some time age |
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| 11:00.05 | moidekar | s/age/ago |
| 11:00.21 | Fossi1 | but then again, my moko boots and i don't know why it wants to install gtk+ over gtk+-fastscaling |
| 11:00.25 | Fossi1 | does anybody know? |
| 11:01.02 | moidekar | Fossi1, good question :) repositories have been known to have bugs once in a while, perhaps we are in the middle of one... |
| 11:01.39 | moidekar | And my OM boots too, it's just that X doesn't start, and it's a fat lotta use without that, huh? :-) |
| 11:01.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks guys, list_installed is it. |
| 11:02.09 | Fossi1 | moidekar: at some point i deinstalled some splashscreen thingy |
| 11:02.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | now, to update and install lots of stuff |
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| 11:03.42 | peje | join #gentoo-kde |
| 11:03.57 | Fossi1 | um, no? |
| 11:04.08 | Fossi1 | join #foobar |
| 11:04.10 | moidekar | Fossi1, did you get X working again by doing that? I have a psplash - 0.0+svnr249-r13 package installed |
| 11:04.21 | CVirus | peje: wtf ? |
| 11:04.26 | Fossi1 | i deinstalled the esomething package |
| 11:04.52 | moidekar | Kamping_Kaiser: you taking a listing *before* starting upgrading? Very smart, wish I'd thought to do that! :-( |
| 11:05.05 | CVirus | peje: I'll report you to the #gentoo-kde operators |
| 11:05.35 | moidekar | Fossi1, exquisite? |
| 11:05.40 | Fossi1 | yes |
| 11:05.43 | peje | sorry no panic just first time using lost irc |
| 11:05.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | moidekar, i am. the really smart bit will be where i copy it off the rootfs before doing the update so if i reimage i dont lose it . |
| 11:05.53 | Fossi1 | CVirus: now that's something i haven't seen on freenode yet |
| 11:05.54 | CVirus | peje: oh |
| 11:06.09 | moidekar | Fossi1, well, worth a try... |
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| 11:06.17 | Fossi1 | ah :D |
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| 11:06.51 | moidekar | Kamping_Kaiser: LOL... yes... I was hoping to avoid reflashing for quite some time, but looks like I've gotten something messed up :-( |
| 11:07.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | moidekar, i've upgraded/installed stuff 4 times, 3 times i reimaged from scratch. i'm starting to work this whole 'unstable device' thing out |
| 11:08.41 | rwhitby | Anyone know how to get the nmea stream on fso2? |
| 11:09.02 | moidekar | Kamping_Kaiser: Aaahhgggghhh!!! :-) Is THAT what I'm gonna have to do for the next few months? Glad I kept my MotoRazr as a standby!! :-) |
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| 11:09.39 | Fossi1 | i didn't flash the moko once yet |
| 11:09.59 | Fossi | then again, i don't use it as a phone either |
| 11:10.01 | Wonka | rwhitby: read from /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 11:10.09 | moidekar | Fossi, it appears that that may be what we need to do to get a working device again :( |
| 11:10.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | moidekar, hehehe. i'm still using my brick as primary phone - its buggy, but i dont need to reimage it *g* |
| 11:10.27 | moidekar | Fossi, what on earth DO you use it for then? |
| 11:10.34 | Fossi | toying around |
| 11:10.54 | Fossi | compiling stuff, hacking away |
| 11:11.20 | moidekar | Kamping_Kaiser, Fossi, good idea :-) I think I'll do that for some time too, and stop complaining so much about the old Motorola :-) |
| 11:11.30 | Wonka | moidekar: i did "opkg remove gtk+-fastscaling", with some -force parameter iirc, and then "opkg install gtk+" |
| 11:11.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | moidekar, :) |
| 11:11.35 | Wonka | moidekar: it works. |
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| 11:11.49 | moidekar | That, or perhaps get up the courage to install qtopia |
| 11:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | sees lots of breakage in todays updates, and wonders if he should hold off 24 hrs |
| 11:12.33 | moidekar | Wonka, thanks - I was wondering if possible solution lay in that direction, but thought that fastscaling GTK had to be better than ordinary... will try that out next, thanks! |
| 11:12.44 | Fossi | moidekar: the best thing about qtopia is that it properly suspends ;) |
| 11:12.57 | moidekar | Fossi, you tried it out? |
| 11:13.16 | Fossi | a collegue of mine uses it |
| 11:13.39 | moidekar | ah, so... well, it'll be on my list then :) |
| 11:13.43 | Fossi | as i don't even have a simcard in, i don't care about standby times ;) |
| 11:13.54 | moidekar | Fossi, same here :) |
| 11:14.10 | Wonka | Top causes for wakeups: |
| 11:14.10 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.10 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.16 | moidekar | Was trying to get some jazz on it first - check out the packages ppl have put up already |
| 11:14.18 | Wonka | mh. i'm not too happy. |
| 11:14.21 | Fossi | actually, does somebody know if fso2 suspends ok? |
| 11:14.22 | moidekar | but ran into this prob |
| 11:14.29 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: in many ways that's not especially relevant. |
| 11:14.43 | rwhitby | Wonka: any particular method of reading /dev/ttySAC1 than 'cat'? |
| 11:15.12 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: the biggest problem ATM AIUI IIRC is the lack of going into proper idle mode so it uses very little power when the CPU is idle. AFAIK. |
| 11:15.17 | rwhitby | (I want to do this at the same time that zhone gps and tangoGPS are both reading it) |
| 11:15.22 | Wonka | rwhitby: socat... |
| 11:15.29 | Wonka | rwhitby: but i had to build that myself |
| 11:15.34 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: gpsd |
| 11:15.44 | Wonka | ack, use gpsd |
| 11:15.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | rwhitby, thanks for saturday, it was great. i just wish i'd had longer to hang around and play |
| 11:15.53 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: gpsd will work in parallel with gypsy? |
| 11:16.05 | Wonka | gypsy is a replacement for gpsd |
| 11:16.09 | Wonka | use either one |
| 11:16.15 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: gypsy then, IIRC it does the same as gpsd |
| 11:16.20 | Wonka | but i do not know if tangoGPS works with gypsy |
| 11:16.28 | rwhitby | Wonka: here's what I'm doing. |
| 11:16.32 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: you don't read from the /dev if you have eitehr installed. |
| 11:16.34 | rwhitby | I'm running fso2 on a gta02. |
| 11:16.41 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: it does not provide a gpsd-style tcp port interface, afaik |
| 11:16.44 | rwhitby | the zhone gps application gets a fix. |
| 11:16.55 | rwhitby | I run tangogps (the fso version) in parallel. |
| 11:17.03 | rwhitby | the zone main screen shows two connections on GPS. |
| 11:17.17 | SpeedEvil | Is zhone opening the GPS directly? |
| 11:17.21 | rwhitby | tangogps shows no activity on the trip tab as far as seeing satellites goes |
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| 11:17.36 | SpeedEvil | And tangogps works without? |
| 11:17.42 | SpeedEvil | strace is your friend. |
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| 11:17.54 | SpeedEvil | Or at least it's my friend, maybe it doesn't like you. |
| 11:17.54 | rwhitby | apparently the tangogps on fso2 works for others, but not for me |
| 11:18.06 | rwhitby | strace is my friend too |
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| 11:18.36 | SpeedEvil | Does tangogps work alone? |
| 11:19.32 | Wonka | tangogps connects to gpsd |
| 11:20.33 | moidekar | Wonka: yahoo! replacing gtk+-fastscaling with gtk+ got me X back! Tons of thanks!! |
| 11:20.35 | SpeedEvil | gpsuy is a reimplementation of gpsy as I understood it. |
| 11:21.13 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: with other interfaces |
| 11:21.30 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: reporting stuff via dbus, not via tcp, for example |
| 11:21.39 | SpeedEvil | Wonka: oh - I thought it supported tcp too. |
| 11:21.44 | Wonka | SpeedEvil: and not waking clients up every second to report exactly the same position |
| 11:21.55 | SpeedEvil | Ok. Does gpspy support reading from gpsd? |
| 11:23.12 | rwhitby | Note that fso2, it's not tangogps which is installed, but tangogps-fso |
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| 11:24.00 | rwhitby | and the built-in fso gps application (which is not tangogps) works even without a gypsy or gpsd installed or running |
| 11:24.44 | rwhitby | hence I wanted to get directly at the /dev to see what it's reading and using for the zhone gps app |
| 11:25.02 | zedstar_ | i think the gps application diversity/splinter whatever it is called with ASU reads directly to the serial device |
| 11:25.11 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: zhone is listening to dbus signals following the gypsy spec |
| 11:25.38 | rwhitby | alphaone: you've got both zhone and tango doing gps at the same time on fso2, right? |
| 11:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Well - that implies that gypsy is not reading for some reason |
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| 11:26.00 | alphaone | rwhitby: I patched tangogps to use gypsy, yeah |
| 11:26.23 | rwhitby | alphaone: is that the tangogps-fso which is in the image I got from your site? |
| 11:26.31 | alphaone | the patches are in oe |
| 11:26.37 | alphaone | rwhitby: yeah |
| 11:26.38 | zedstar_ | gypsy just provides a dbus interface so u can choose to listen to signals emitted or not....it emits signal if position changed for example |
| 11:27.05 | alphaone | in org.openembedded.dev/packages/tangogps/files/ |
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| 11:27.14 | Rigolo | good afternoon |
| 11:27.20 | alphaone | They are quite hacky at the moment :-( |
| 11:27.38 | Rigolo | heee alphaone .... how are the reactions to FSO MS2? |
| 11:27.41 | rwhitby | alphaone: so what I want to do is get at that raw data through the same interface that tangogps-fso is using, so I can see what it should be seeing. |
| 11:28.03 | alphaone | So currently the patches use the gypsy interface exclusively and also not in the right fasion, but it works for ogpsd |
| 11:28.21 | alphaone | Rigolo: Generally pretty good I think |
| 11:28.35 | rwhitby | alphaone: is an ogpsd process supposed to be running? |
| 11:28.39 | alphaone | rwhitby: dbus-monitor --system |
| 11:28.51 | alphaone | No, thats in frameworkd |
| 11:28.54 | Rigolo | good to hear .... so now working hard towards MS3? and that is due in 28 days? |
| 11:29.21 | alphaone | Rigolo: right, it is |
| 11:29.35 | alphaone | I'm currently busy with SMS PDU handling |
| 11:30.03 | alphaone | rwhitby: you can also add log_level=debug in the ogpsd section of /etc/frameworkd.conf |
| 11:30.09 | Rigolo | might be able to get his FR paid for by his new boss :-) |
| 11:30.20 | alphaone | and start frameworkd on the commandline |
| 11:30.32 | rwhitby | alphaone: note that ogpsd is working fine, it's the tango which is not showing any data |
| 11:30.38 | alphaone | then see what packets it gets |
| 11:30.40 | alphaone | =DEBUG |
| 11:30.51 | alphaone | rwhitby: oh, okay |
| 11:30.57 | Rigolo | started to work for a MVNO ... so that could be handy .. when trying to see how it works with an unlimmted GPRS subscription :-) |
| 11:31.13 | rwhitby | alphaone: I want to hook in and see what tango-fso should be seeing |
| 11:31.24 | alphaone | rwhitby: Ah, right |
| 11:31.38 | alphaone | rwhitby: you're using tangogps with ogpsd, yeah? |
| 11:32.07 | rwhitby | alphaone: I'm using the fso2 image from your site, with no additions. |
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| 11:32.20 | rwhitby | which says it has tangogps-fso installed |
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| 11:33.31 | alphaone | rwhitby: what does the zhone gps page say? |
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| 11:33.44 | rwhitby | alphaone: it shows correct lat and lon |
| 11:33.54 | rwhitby | but tango shows 0/0 sats |
| 11:33.56 | alphaone | okay, let me check here |
| 11:34.31 | alphaone | that is strange.. |
| 11:36.04 | rwhitby | alphaone: for tangogps-fso to work on fso2 there'd need to be a gypsyd running, wouldn't there? |
| 11:36.28 | alphaone | rwhitby: No, frameworkd is implementing the gypsy interface |
| 11:36.38 | alphaone | or at least sufficient parts thereof |
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| 11:37.08 | rwhitby | ok, so frameworkd implements /org/freedesktop/Gypsy |
| 11:37.35 | rwhitby | (or whatever the correct dbus terminology is for something which is the source) |
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| 11:38.31 | alphaone | right |
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| 11:38.38 | Kero | alphaone: ah, so you're one of the fso team |
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| 11:38.44 | alphaone | and that's exactly what zhone is using as well |
| 11:38.45 | rwhitby | alphaone: so are you able to run both at the same time? |
| 11:38.51 | alphaone | yeah |
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| 11:39.19 | alphaone | sure, dbus just duplicates the messages to anyone interested |
| 11:39.34 | beni_ | morning |
| 11:40.10 | Kero | alphaone: I haven't been able to let the gsm functionality break, thought I tried (cancel, reject, even suspend); FSO1 broke quickly, 2007.2 broke even quicker. |
| 11:40.20 | beni_ | short question, my freerunner doesnt come up. If the device is powered of and lays for 2 days untouched, with full battery, could it be, that after that the battery is empty? |
| 11:40.20 | Kero | frankly, I'm surprised, in a pleasant way :) |
| 11:40.30 | rwhitby | alphaone: BTW, setting Blank Time and Suspend After Blank both to "Off" doesn't seem to work - is it supposed to? |
| 11:40.46 | beni_ | i plugged usb to my desktop pc today after the first boot and wanted to test usb networking |
| 11:40.46 | Kero | alphaone: there are issues when resuming from suspend, tho; would it be useful to file a bugreport on that? |
| 11:41.08 | beni_ | the fr booted but was completely dead after boot (black screen) |
| 11:41.16 | alphaone | rwhitby: tangogps works here for me |
| 11:41.44 | alphaone | rwhitby: Yeah, currently illume and zhone are both trying to do blanking... |
| 11:41.49 | Kero | alphaone: also, some text messages on my SIM are shown as 0500123456... which I assume to be some encoding issue; again, is it useful to file a bugreport? |
| 11:41.55 | rwhitby | alphaone: how long would a python script be to subscribe to the gps data and print it as nmea strings? |
| 11:42.15 | alphaone | Kero: Glad to hear FSO2 is more stable |
| 11:42.42 | alphaone | Kero: Sure, bug reports are always welcome :-) |
| 11:43.10 | Kero | ok, I'll put them on trac.freesmartphone.org |
| 11:43.15 | alphaone | Great |
| 11:43.35 | Kero | already saw the can-not-receive-SMS bug reported by someone else |
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| 11:44.01 | alphaone | rwhitby: Well, not printing as nmea strings, but a dbus-monitor --system should get you the signals alright |
| 11:44.31 | alphaone | Kero: Ah yeah. There's a fix pending for it I believe |
| 11:44.32 | SpeedEvil | Can gypsy give NMEA if a client wants? |
| 11:44.51 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Not really |
| 11:44.56 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:45.10 | alphaone | Though I guess a client could regenerate the NMEA from the dbus signals |
| 11:45.26 | SpeedEvil | It's hard to regenerate it all. |
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| 11:46.02 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Well the thing is that ogpsd isn't even using the NMEA protocol but UBX |
| 11:46.10 | zedstar_ | it wouldnt be hard to modify the NMEA parser code in gypsy to just dump the NMEA |
| 11:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah, |
| 11:46.14 | alphaone | Which has vastly more functionality |
| 11:46.52 | alphaone | Like configuring dynamics model (pedestrian, automobile, airplane), enabling SBAS, ... |
| 11:46.54 | SpeedEvil | alphaone: The reason is that I've found interesting things that can be done with raw NMEA logs in the past. For example, extraction from signal strengths of obscurations. |
| 11:46.55 | beni_ | no battery tips? |
| 11:47.20 | SpeedEvil | benJIman: try leaving it on charge, off for a bit? |
| 11:47.25 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: So what information do you need to do that? |
| 11:47.33 | rwhitby | beni_: check the battery with a voltmeter |
| 11:47.44 | SpeedEvil | alphaone: GPGSVs - satellite signal strengths. |
| 11:47.48 | alphaone | I assume you just need the information conveyed via NMEA, not the nmea sentences at all |
| 11:47.57 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: That's sent via dbus.. |
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| 11:48.32 | alphaone | I even want to extend the gypsy API to include whether ephemeris or almanac is available for that SV. |
| 11:48.36 | SpeedEvil | alphaone: yeah - it's just nasty if I've got two sets of GPS logs, one in one format, one in another with no good translator. |
| 11:48.45 | alphaone | Which is something UBX can tell you, but NMEA doesn't |
| 11:48.54 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Sure.. |
| 11:49.00 | beni_ | hm, no voltmeter here. i just followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_Battery_Charger |
| 11:49.03 | SpeedEvil | Of course psuedoranges too would be nice :) |
| 11:49.05 | beni_ | now it boots up again |
| 11:49.27 | SpeedEvil | (which you can't usually get from NMEA) |
| 11:50.15 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/antaris4_doc.html |
| 11:50.17 | beni_ | hm, the battery symbol is nearly full |
| 11:50.26 | beni_ | so it was not a battery issue, most probably |
| 11:50.30 | alphaone | look at the ANTARIS protocol specifications |
| 11:50.45 | alphaone | pseudoranges for SVs are available, too |
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| 11:52.36 | The_Doctor | hi can anyonev help mee wth my gps? |
| 11:52.43 | cozub | hm, it seems I get ~16k/sec over wifi (trying to scp a file from PC to neo) |
| 11:52.46 | SpeedEvil | I've not been that interested as I've no hardware. |
| 11:52.51 | cozub | i.e. zupa slow |
| 11:52.52 | SpeedEvil | cozub: compression |
| 11:52.59 | SpeedEvil | cozub: oh |
| 11:53.02 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: ah, okay |
| 11:53.04 | SpeedEvil | cozub: sorry |
| 11:53.07 | dbmoodb | gdudes wtf now -- |
| 11:53.11 | SpeedEvil | cozub: I thoughty you meant GPRS |
| 11:53.19 | cozub | well, scp certainly eats some cpu, but... |
| 11:53.23 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.25 | cozub | what speed should I be getting? |
| 11:53.33 | SpeedEvil | cozub: sorry - it should be vastly more |
| 11:53.37 | dbmoodb | cozub: its fine if its from flash ext3 sdcard makes it slow |
| 11:53.39 | alphaone | The_Doctor: what's your problem? |
| 11:53.46 | The_Doctor | i see sattelites, al on the north pole, but i get no coordinates# |
| 11:53.46 | SpeedEvil | dbmoodb: not _that_ slow. |
| 11:53.49 | dbmoodb | anyone know if there is a missing module / link |
| 11:53.55 | dbmoodb | -- for me |
| 11:53.59 | alphaone | rwhitby: Did you find out anything yet? |
| 11:54.00 | zedstar_ | looking at the gyspy code there is nmea-parse.c and some debug statements in there u can enable to dump the sentences |
| 11:54.04 | cozub | dbmoodb: well, this test of mine was triggered by opkg seemingly taking ages over wifi and being fast over usb |
| 11:54.07 | SpeedEvil | theocrite: have you a very recent image? |
| 11:54.12 | cozub | so I think it is a wifi issue |
| 11:54.13 | SpeedEvil | The_Doctor: |
| 11:54.20 | dbmoodb | it says there a hid usb device attached.... but doesn't work |
| 11:54.23 | SpeedEvil | cozub: are you close to the router? |
| 11:54.24 | cozub | I'm uing a laptop with the same AP and that works fine |
| 11:54.24 | rwhitby | alphaone: I but the debug in and restarted frameworkd, but now have no screen display as a result |
| 11:54.30 | cozub | yeah, just few meters |
| 11:54.45 | SpeedEvil | cozub: does ping show packet loss? |
| 11:54.46 | rwhitby | alphaone: any way to get it to debug to a file? |
| 11:54.47 | alphaone | debug board will probably break gps |
| 11:54.59 | cozub | ping seemed ok, but let me run it for a more than few packets :) |
| 11:55.30 | alphaone | rwhitby: see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1371 |
| 11:57.13 | rwhitby | alphaone: oh, I don't have debug board connected to this device |
| 11:57.19 | alphaone | ah, okay |
| 11:57.31 | alphaone | rwhitby: Sorry, misunderstood |
| 11:57.32 | rwhitby | I meant the log_level = DEBUG line, sorry. |
| 11:57.42 | cozub | SpeedEvil: no packet loff, but from a laptop over the same ap I get ~11 rtt, while from neo I get ~95 rtt :-( |
| 11:57.51 | cozub | s/loff/loss/ |
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| 11:57.54 | SpeedEvil | cozub: utterly irrelevant. |
| 11:58.04 | SpeedEvil | cozub: at least - that's no9t causing the problem |
| 11:58.35 | cozub | hm |
| 11:59.07 | SpeedEvil | cozub: what does (on the phone) wget http://a.large.file do? |
| 11:59.15 | cozub | let me try |
| 12:00.05 | alphaone | rwhitby: add filename = '/tmp/frameworkd.log', filemode = 'w' to logging.basicConfig in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/config.py |
| 12:00.52 | alphaone | mickey has added changing log configuration via dbus, but that's not in the latest images I believe |
| 12:01.43 | cozub | SpeedEvil: doesn't say the speed, but a 100meg file says ~ 3.5h eta :-( |
| 12:02.42 | rwhitby | alphaone: ok, definitely getting gps packets on dbus using dbus-monitor --system |
| 12:03.04 | cozub | i.e. < 10k/sec |
| 12:03.43 | rwhitby | alphaone: and definitely are still getting them whilst tangogps-fso is showing 0/0 sats |
| 12:04.17 | alphaone | strange |
| 12:04.19 | cozub | SpeedEvil: what speed would you xpect/do you get, pls? |
| 12:04.34 | rwhitby | alphaone: anyway, at least now I know how the data is getting there, so I can start instrumenting tangogps-fso to debug why it's not taking it. thanks for your help, I'll have a look into tangogps-fso tomorrow. |
| 12:05.10 | alphaone | rwhitby: Okay, good luck |
| 12:06.09 | SpeedEvil | cozub: over 9000! |
| 12:06.19 | cozub | huh, quite a difference :) |
| 12:06.22 | SpeedEvil | cozub: well - 500kilobytes/second at least. |
| 12:06.23 | ajbrun | anyone know where i can find agpsui? |
| 12:06.58 | alphaone | ah, rwhitby wail |
| 12:06.59 | rwhitby | anyone got the incantations needed in /etc/network/interfaces for connecting autmagically to a wpa-psk wifi access point? |
| 12:07.01 | alphaone | wait |
| 12:07.12 | alphaone | I think I know your problem |
| 12:07.14 | SpeedEvil | wanders off to do some assembly coding of raw GPS IF ADC software radio. |
| 12:07.16 | dbmoodb | well.... um... i'm trying to follow to perform the inial back up |
| 12:07.22 | rwhitby | alphaone: cool |
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| 12:07.35 | alphaone | rwhitby: Can you tell me your frameworkd version? |
| 12:07.56 | rwhitby | frameworkd - 0.8.2+gitr20+74baa950414f1ce60a5aff2c9bd55263211c08fc-r0 |
| 12:08.06 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ae43a443238 10/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb: [openmoko-feed] python-odeviced has been removed |
| 12:08.26 | rwhitby | (I'm building fso right now to get the latest, but it's task 1838 of 4161 at the moment |
| 12:09.31 | alphaone | rwhitby: http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/changeset/1a97e68a8bfc66cc3c37d258cb018db5f6299836 breaks ogpsd claiming org.freedesktop.Gypsy as busname |
| 12:09.57 | alphaone | http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/changeset/60aa0b4f2df43e10908bbdb73711cfac995cdc36 fixes that again, but your build is in between |
| 12:10.26 | alphaone | rwhitby: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should be fixed |
| 12:11.14 | rwhitby | alphaone: so you rebuilt that image since I grabbed it? |
| 12:11.26 | beni_ | hm, is hte fr sd reader not capable of reading sdhc cards? |
| 12:11.49 | SpeedEvil | benJIman: yes, it can |
| 12:11.55 | SpeedEvil | _: yes |
| 12:11.59 | alphaone | rwhitby: Yeah, I build images more than once a day.. |
| 12:12.08 | alphaone | Every time I test a fix actually |
| 12:12.21 | rwhitby | ok, the one I flashed has an md5sum of 0670fb77e39fe7012e6e674d854e9820 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080801-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary |
| 12:12.30 | rwhitby | getting the latest now |
| 12:12.51 | rwhitby | I could just get a newer frameworkd from your feed, right? |
| 12:13.35 | beni_ | SpeedEvil: did you mean me? (_:) |
| 12:13.52 | alphaone | rwhitby: I guess so, yeah |
| 12:14.34 | SpeedEvil | yes beni_ |
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| 12:16.05 | ajbrun | anyone know where i can find agpsui - every link i find is dead |
| 12:16.20 | beni_ | ok, then i wonder, why my FR doesnt boot with my (intenso) microSD-HC 8Gb... |
| 12:17.09 | beni_ | or did you mean "yes, its not capable" |
| 12:17.10 | beni_ | ? |
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| 12:17.16 | beni_ | hm i think so :/ |
| 12:18.57 | Kero | pft. no MokoMakefile... svn.projects.openmoko.org fell off DNS |
| 12:19.21 | rwhitby | wonders what we can put in /etc/opkg.conf to disable sig checking forever ... |
| 12:19.39 | alphaone | beni_: The FR is SDHC capable, though u-boot might have problems with the cards |
| 12:19.49 | rwhitby | Kero: 88.198.93.218 |
| 12:19.57 | Kero | thx |
| 12:20.35 | beni_ | alphaone: that might explain why it doesnt boot up with the card. how to get that running? |
| 12:21.06 | alphaone | rwhitby: Okay, I'm now building with $DATE$TIME as DISTRO_VERSION |
| 12:21.20 | rwhitby | alphaone: sweet - thanks. |
| 12:21.22 | alphaone | So there should be less confusion and more images from now on :-) |
| 12:21.37 | alphaone | beni_: How are you booting? |
| 12:21.41 | alphaone | from nand? |
| 12:21.58 | rwhitby | I should have my build system back up to scratch in the next couple of days - I've let it fall away while I was focusing on my gta02 hardware problems ... |
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| 12:22.24 | beni_ | alphaone: i assume yes |
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| 12:22.39 | Jamie | Hi All |
| 12:22.39 | beni_ | just normal boot via power button, i am just starting to play with it |
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| 12:22.50 | Guest47589 | I finally got connected in here for the first time!!! |
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| 12:23.10 | Guest47589 | Ive got a question |
| 12:23.16 | rwhitby | alphaone: updating frameworkd fixed tangogps! thx! |
| 12:23.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | downloads 100mb of OSM tiles |
| 12:23.31 | Guest47589 | Has anyone got any instructions on how to compile the kernel for the freerunner |
| 12:23.41 | alphaone | rwhitby: cool |
| 12:23.55 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: see MokoMakefile on teh wiki |
| 12:23.57 | Guest47589 | I want to try compile the latest kernel from Kernel.org with all the correct modules and then flash the freerunner |
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| 12:24.06 | dbmoodb | can you guys actually give us md5sums of the "stable" releases |
| 12:24.08 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: It's more complex than that |
| 12:24.20 | dbmoodb | i mean its a bit fecking insecure to not have that as a basic |
| 12:24.22 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: the latest kenrel won't apply without patches as I understnad it. |
| 12:24.26 | alphaone | rwhitby: When I was out testing it one day I noticed that tangogps began to lag behind, so my patches might still have some problems. |
| 12:24.27 | dbmoodb | --- i my opinion |
| 12:24.30 | dbmoodb | in* |
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| 12:24.33 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: and the patches may not work on the latest kernel |
| 12:24.42 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: and you have the cross-compilation issues |
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| 12:25.15 | Guest47589 | Well from what I understand the kernels that have been built use the standard source from Kernel.org |
| 12:25.24 | Guest47589 | What cross compliation issues? |
| 12:26.03 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: setting the kernel up for cross-compilation |
| 12:26.12 | Kero | ha, got a screenshot from my "white" screen (after suspend) |
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| 12:26.53 | beni_ | alphaone: just normal boot with power butto, i assume this is nand |
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| 12:27.09 | beni_ | alphaone: i am just starting to learn thingd |
| 12:27.13 | beni_ | things |
| 12:27.13 | Guest47589 | The makefile just builds the rootfs? |
| 12:27.25 | alphaone | beni_: yeah, should be |
| 12:27.38 | Guest47589 | Someone must be able to build it using the latest kernel. It would make sense, right??? |
| 12:27.47 | alphaone | beni_: Strange that that halts then. |
| 12:28.01 | beni_ | alphaone: try to flash new uboot? |
| 12:28.08 | beni_ | i would try FSO anyway |
| 12:28.10 | SpeedEvil | Guest47589: as I understand it tehre are many patches that have not propagated upstream. |
| 12:28.19 | jopk | hi |
| 12:28.21 | alphaone | beni_: hmm, you can try |
| 12:28.31 | alphaone | beni_: Got a MP Freerunner? |
| 12:28.42 | beni_ | yes |
| 12:28.55 | Guest47589 | Well yeah that make sense about the patches but there are some. |
| 12:29.03 | Guest47589 | that have made it upstream |
| 12:29.40 | dns53 | does anyone have a mirror of the opkg sources that are not broken? |
| 12:29.41 | jopk | opkg is still available on qtopia. does it work on qtopia (install program and use them) ? |
| 12:29.48 | rwhitby | alphaone: can you guys add /etc/frameword.conf to CONFFILES in the OE packaging? Then upgrade will ask to diff changes. |
| 12:30.11 | alphaone | rwhitby: sure, makes sense |
| 12:30.22 | dbmoodb | oh and can the gpg / sig ability of opkg actually be used |
| 12:30.28 | rwhitby | Guest47589: MokoMakefile builds everything. rootfs, kernel, u-boot, lowlevel devirginator ... |
| 12:30.32 | Guest47589 | in TangoGPS how can I tell if it has downloaded the biggest set of maps for when Im on the road? |
| 12:30.38 | Guest47589 | Thanks for that |
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| 12:31.19 | rwhitby | alphaone: in this case, it did the right thing cause I wanted to delete the log_level line and it was already gone :-) |
| 12:31.25 | beni_ | is openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary the rootfs for FSO? (i wonder about the summary extension?) |
| 12:31.46 | rwhitby | beni_: yep |
| 12:32.11 | beni_ | okay |
| 12:32.14 | Guest47589 | whats the .summary for then? |
| 12:32.19 | rwhitby | beni_: for the lastest image, go to alphaone's site at http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 12:32.28 | alphaone | rwhitby: just CONFFILES_${PN} = "${sysconfigdir}/frameworkd.conf", right? |
| 12:32.35 | beni_ | thanks for the link |
| 12:32.38 | alphaone | sysconfdir |
| 12:32.41 | Guest47589 | I just use .jffs2 |
| 12:32.43 | Guest47589 | to flash |
| 12:32.51 | rwhitby | Guest47589: first hit for google "jffs2 sumary: |
| 12:32.54 | rwhitby | summary |
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| 12:33.03 | rwhitby | alphaone: yep |
| 12:33.16 | alphaone | okye |
| 12:34.20 | Kero | mm, MACHINE="fic-gta01" should be om-gta01 these days? (been a while since I touched mokomakefile) |
| 12:34.38 | rwhitby | yep |
| 12:34.58 | rwhitby | "make setup-machine-neo" does that for you |
| 12:35.21 | beni_ | rwhitby: ok, i then need: fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin? |
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| 12:35.29 | beni_ | and the dfu-util of the site |
| 12:35.35 | beni_ | ? |
| 12:35.38 | Kero | ha, that makes sense (saw make setup-machine-freerunner somewhere) |
| 12:35.40 | rwhitby | beni_: any dfu-util will do |
| 12:35.52 | rwhitby | (e.g. debian lenny has dfu-util now) |
| 12:35.53 | beni_ | the dfu-util i downloaded doesnt work here |
| 12:36.00 | beni_ | rwhitby: oh nice |
| 12:36.02 | beni_ | i try that |
| 12:36.11 | Guest47589 | id like to try the debian distro but this doesnt work |
| 12:36.23 | Kero | rwhitby: I'll add that to the wiki, since setup-machine-neo is not listed there! |
| 12:36.27 | rwhitby | and optware has dfu-util for about 20 different types of routers and NAS boxes with USB ports :-) |
| 12:36.59 | rwhitby | usually flashes the neos from his Freecom FSG-3 router |
| 12:37.21 | Guest47589 | cat armel-chroot-first-stage.tar.gz | ssh root@192.168.0.202 tar -C /media/card -xzvf |
| 12:37.25 | Guest47589 | that line on the wiki doesnt work |
| 12:37.29 | Guest47589 | can anyone advise |
| 12:37.37 | rwhitby | in fact, flashing a neo from another neo should work - the start of SkyNet |
| 12:37.56 | SpeedEvil | Just chroot to the sd, and dd |
| 12:37.57 | rwhitby | Guest47589: just scp the file over, and untar it on the device |
| 12:38.26 | Guest47589 | Thanks :-) |
| 12:39.10 | Guest47589 | has anyone tryed the debian distro on the freerunner? |
| 12:39.29 | baird | Still needs a >512MB microsd card, it seems. |
| 12:40.00 | rwhitby | or nfs root ;-) |
| 12:40.04 | baird | I'd have to travel ~200kms to find the cloest place with a decent price for those.. :/ |
| 12:40.09 | Kero | build running, going for shopping :) |
| 12:40.42 | baird | rw: ...hmm, tftpboot... I was doing that recently for a Agestar NAS of mine.. |
| 12:41.46 | beni_ | rwhitby: which files do i need? i fear to break my fr since i do not have any debug board |
| 12:42.13 | baird | (said NAS is now running Gentoo, though. http://mink.apana.org.au/ .. It was something I found at Jaycar..) |
| 12:42.45 | rwhitby | beni_: you can't break a freerunner by flashing without a debug board |
| 12:43.10 | SpeedEvil | (unless you flash it some thousands of times) |
| 12:43.36 | beni_ | what if i flash a wrong uboot? |
| 12:43.43 | Guest47589 | theres a backup copy |
| 12:43.49 | Guest47589 | you cant break brick the fr |
| 12:43.53 | rwhitby | beni_: boot into nor, flash the latest u-boot for gta02v5, uImage for gta02 and rootfs for gta02 from that page. use -a and "u-boot", "kernel", and "rootfs" respectivelyt |
| 12:45.48 | beni_ | ok, so i try my luck then. thanks for cooling me down. this is all so new for me... flashing hardware etc |
| 12:46.33 | beni_ | what is the uimage for? |
| 12:46.36 | beni_ | btw? |
| 12:46.36 | rwhitby | beni_: the fr is well designed to be safe. don't get blaze about other devices though :-) |
| 12:46.42 | rwhitby | uImage is the kernel |
| 12:46.46 | rwhitby | wrapped for u-boot |
| 12:46.52 | beni_ | ah okay |
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| 12:50.02 | beni_ | is it important in which order i flash? |
| 12:50.12 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3e75ef5fcb4b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: emit 'mode' property for GetStatus() as well as the Status() signal. |
| 12:50.23 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r02703a57498c 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml.in: document additional 'mode' property in GetStatus() and the Status() signal |
| 12:50.52 | rwhitby | beni_: no |
| 12:51.38 | rwhitby | alphaone: weird - on Debian Lenny the build of tangogps-fso was not able to apply patch 0002. |
| 12:52.07 | alphaone | rwhitby: oh? |
| 12:52.21 | alphaone | it's based on tangogps 0.9.2 |
| 12:52.29 | alphaone | methinks |
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| 12:53.02 | matholio | hi all |
| 12:53.06 | Guest47589 | hi |
| 12:53.21 | matholio | is this : http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html valid for 2007.2 shortcuts ? |
| 12:54.07 | rwhitby | alphaone: source was unpacked in tangogps-0.9.2, and patches attempted to be applied in tangogps-fso-0.9.2 directory |
| 12:54.50 | alphaone | rwhitby: I guess I know too little about debian packaging.... |
| 12:54.50 | rwhitby | might need an S= line |
| 12:55.02 | rwhitby | alphaone: this is OE, right? |
| 12:55.11 | alphaone | yeah |
| 12:55.12 | alphaone | wait |
| 12:56.25 | rwhitby | S = "${WORKDIR}/tangogps-${PV}" |
| 12:56.25 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.39 | alphaone | hmm, there seems to be something missing in the current oe recipe |
| 12:58.36 | alphaone | mickeyl broke it |
| 13:00.22 | rwhitby | yep, he removed the S line |
| 13:01.36 | rwhitby | alphaone: are you in a position to conveniently push a fix? |
| 13:01.57 | mickeyl | bummer |
| 13:01.59 | mickeyl | sorry |
| 13:02.01 | mickeyl | takes the blame and is ashamed |
| 13:02.01 | alphaone | rwhitby: If you are please do |
| 13:02.03 | mickeyl | should go into the .inc |
| 13:02.05 | mickeyl | let me fix it, i broke it |
| 13:02.09 | rwhitby | alphaone: I'm not at the moment. |
| 13:02.14 | rwhitby | mickeyl: thx. no probs. |
| 13:02.24 | alphaone | I'm just rebuilding everything and I would like to test before I commit |
| 13:02.34 | alphaone | But I guess that change is simple enough |
| 13:02.39 | mickeyl | pushed |
| 13:02.42 | rwhitby | alphaone: me too, and I don't even have monotone installed on this machine any more :-) |
| 13:02.55 | alphaone | mickeyl: ah, cool |
| 13:03.03 | alphaone | thanks |
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| 13:04.09 | rwhitby | mickeyl: how quickly is the git repo updated? |
| 13:04.46 | rwhitby | (the OE trial one) |
| 13:05.33 | mickeyl | iirc instantaneously |
| 13:05.43 | mickeyl | my push is going on atm. |
| 13:05.57 | mickeyl | you should see this by looking at the commit messages |
| 13:05.59 | mickeyl | first the mtn appears |
| 13:06.05 | mickeyl | then, seconds later, the git one |
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| 13:06.22 | rwhitby | cool, thx. |
| 13:06.30 | mickeyl | hmm, argh |
| 13:06.32 | mickeyl | merge confligct... |
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| 13:08.32 | mickeyl | now. |
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| 13:19.12 | matholio | if there anyway to switch on/off wifi via shell ? |
| 13:19.29 | dbmoodb | ifdown ifup ? |
| 13:19.58 | matholio | does that power off the interface? |
| 13:20.04 | matholio | trys |
| 13:20.43 | dbmoodb | still ah could come one help me out with my usb keyboard --- anyone know why i can't use it --- it appears and the dmesg doesn't say its not working -- it shows its detected i have scripted the commands to up the voltage and my my usb on the moko to be a host... so any one got any ideas ? |
| 13:21.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r1813466ef7f0 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Remove scroll indicator and mediaserver from the list |
| 13:21.14 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r835a5359da73 10/BUGS.x11: [bugs] Add some more known bugs |
| 13:21.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r8380a8534e80 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [modem] Allow to postpone "simready" until %CSTAT notifications arrived |
| 13:21.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rd4b1e0c76796 10/etc/SystemRingTones/alarm.wav: [ringtone] Replace the alarm.wav with junggle_btn402.mp3 of freesound.org |
| 13:21.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r22e899b30302 10/src/plugins/mediaengines/gstreamer/gstreamerplaybinsession.cpp: [gstreamer] Set the element/pipeline to READY instead of PAUSED to avoid some fd leaks |
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| 13:25.31 | beni_ | to connect to the bootloader, do i need to set the uboot menu "console to usb", so i may disable auto shutdown while being inside the bootmenu? |
| 13:29.04 | torindel | beni_: you just need to set console to usb with new uboot |
| 13:29.18 | torindel | no need to change delay |
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| 13:31.14 | beni_ | torindel: setting console to usb removes time limit? |
| 13:31.19 | beni_ | cool |
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| 13:31.52 | beni_ | but then i cant flash stuff, right? |
| 13:33.28 | torindel | you can |
| 13:33.52 | torindel | but only when youre not conectied with terminal |
| 13:34.40 | beni_ | ok, im on debian etch and wanted to disable the auto shutdown so i can flash the rootfs without tapping AUX every 30 secs |
| 13:34.51 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 13:35.01 | beni_ | but i have no ttyACM0. but ACM support is on in my kernel |
| 13:35.05 | dbmoodb | beni_: .... ah... will it do that ? |
| 13:35.55 | alphaone | beni_: Wow, you must have an old u-boot... |
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| 13:36.10 | beni_ | dbmoodb: dont know, i am just atarting to play around using the docs in the wiki |
| 13:36.29 | beni_ | and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko#Preparing_the_device_for_DFU_mode gives the tip to disable auto-shotdown |
| 13:36.34 | torindel | beni_: also note: it will wait without timeout till you connect first time, after it finishes it'll set timeout again |
| 13:37.19 | torindel | i.e. after you upload file timeout starts again |
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| 13:38.34 | dns53 | is this channel recorded anywhere? |
| 13:38.59 | kd8ikt | yea |
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| 13:42.37 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r28 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: Don't touch local.conf unless needed - saves rebuilding bitbake cache every time. |
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| 13:46.55 | e_s_p | hi, all |
| 13:47.06 | e_s_p | I just got my FreeRunner a couple of days ago |
| 13:47.19 | e_s_p | I'm trying to do an opkg upgrade, but... |
| 13:47.34 | e_s_p | There seems to be a conflict between gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling |
| 13:47.41 | e_s_p | Everything depends on gtk+ |
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| 13:48.07 | kd8ikt | -nodeps |
| 13:49.29 | beni_ | hm strange. event with starting into nor boot menu i cant get any connection with dfu-util anymore now. |
| 13:49.30 | e_s_p | opkg upgrade -nodeps, like that? |
| 13:49.58 | beni_ | my host pc says: Aug 3 15:49:37 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 13:50.01 | beni_ | Aug 3 15:49:37 localhost kernel: usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 13:50.04 | beni_ | any ideas? |
| 13:53.05 | lindi- | beni_: googling for openmoko "device descriptor read/64, error -71" finds lots of posts |
| 13:53.46 | e_s_p | hrm |
| 13:53.54 | e_s_p | opkg update isn't picking up anything |
| 13:53.55 | matholio | e_s_p: I had that earlier |
| 13:54.25 | beni_ | lindi-: fixed now thanks |
| 13:54.41 | beni_ | for some reason my kernel forgot to load the module again (had a reboot) |
| 13:54.49 | lindi- | beni_: kernel on desktop machine? |
| 13:55.30 | beni_ | yes |
| 13:55.37 | lindi- | beni_: ok, thanks for the info. |
| 13:55.42 | beni_ | but still got no acm device. |
| 13:55.58 | matholio | e_s_p: try : opkg remove -force-depends gtk+-fastscaling |
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| 13:56.28 | kd8ikt | make setup setup-machine-freerunner build-package-python-gtk |
| 13:56.37 | kd8ikt | (moko make file) |
| 13:56.53 | matholio | can anyone tell me if I can actually power up/down wifi from shell ? |
| 13:57.24 | kd8ikt | wpa supplicant? |
| 13:57.29 | lindi- | matholio: strace neod that turns it off? |
| 13:57.42 | lindi- | matholio: to see how it does that |
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| 13:58.04 | beni_ | lindi-: damn usb cable. it managed to slip out of the socket. now i got everything right. |
| 13:58.10 | lindi- | matholio: i can do that if you tell me how to power down wifi from gui by using only touchscreen |
| 13:58.19 | beni_ | sorry for bothering everyone with such noob stuff |
| 13:58.24 | beni_ | its not my day today i assume |
| 13:58.30 | lindi- | matholio: since it hard for me to reach the power button in the plastic case i have for openmoko |
| 14:01.17 | e_s_p | matholio: thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 14:01.50 | *** part/#openmoko tedo (n=cta@HSI-KBW-091-089-243-218.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 14:01.56 | e_s_p | But I'm pretty sure the repository is empty right now. Maybe a periodic rebuild? Or a cron job got messed up? |
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| 14:05.08 | frojnd | hello |
| 14:05.34 | frojnd | This is the openmoko channel :) |
| 14:05.53 | dcordes_ | oh? |
| 14:06.33 | frojnd | Just wondering.. does om have support for garmin ? |
| 14:06.56 | leinir | That question is kind of the wrong way around :) |
| 14:07.31 | kd8ikt | anyone mess with adhoc networking? |
| 14:07.46 | frojnd | leinir: I'm not very familiar with garmin so I don't know how this works.. |
| 14:07.55 | frojnd | I know some nokia's phones have it |
| 14:08.10 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by 'support for garmin' ? |
| 14:08.12 | leinir | The question should be "does garmin support om?" :) |
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| 14:08.32 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: if I can use garmin on om :) |
| 14:08.33 | leinir | Because they are closed source, there is no way for om to support it, the help needs to come from their side :) |
| 14:08.40 | SpeedEvil | fj: what do you mean 'use garmin' |
| 14:08.45 | SpeedEvil | fr: |
| 14:08.55 | baird | There's a python garmin module out there (..which I've played with) |
| 14:08.58 | SpeedEvil | freelock: if you mean use applications from garmin, the answer is no. |
| 14:09.02 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: |
| 14:09.03 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: use their satellite |
| 14:09.16 | baird | It only worked for me with yellow eTrex w/ serial, though.. |
| 14:09.17 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: garmin do not have any satellites. |
| 14:09.25 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: explain what you want to do. |
| 14:09.29 | frojnd | so when I'm in a car and driving from slovenia to france I can see ... |
| 14:09.40 | frojnd | all the roads, bars.. |
| 14:09.44 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: slovenia, france, and countries in between. |
| 14:09.52 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: mhm |
| 14:09.57 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: it has no built in autorouting application. |
| 14:10.18 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: it has a moving map application based on openstreetmap. |
| 14:10.27 | baird | If you're talking about their MapSource stuff... QLandkarte has /some/ reverse-engineered support for it.. |
| 14:11.36 | frojnd | baird: I0m talking like I can connect to satellite ? and than satellite gives me back my location .. |
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| 14:11.54 | frojnd | as I said I don't know well how garmin for nokia's phone is working |
| 14:12.16 | baird | as in garmin-made bluetooth GPS devices? |
| 14:12.21 | tkep | does the freerunner have trouble reading all the contacts from a sim? |
| 14:12.28 | tkep | in om2007.2 that is |
| 14:12.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r19c4b5749662 10/packages/gtk+/ (gtk+.inc gtk+_2.12.11.bb): [gtk+] kill off gtk+-fastscaling |
| 14:12.33 | almien | frojnd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAVSTAR -- note the owners of the satellites |
| 14:12.44 | frojnd | almien: thanx |
| 14:12.53 | beni_ | cool, FSO boots now :) |
| 14:12.59 | almien | and the neo has a built-in receiver for GPS |
| 14:13.00 | beni_ | im glad it finally worked |
| 14:13.27 | frojnd | Just curious... nokin n95 vs om... for the guture... which phone has more potential like in good software |
| 14:13.47 | lindi- | frojnd: good or free? |
| 14:13.52 | frojnd | I'm fan of open source but how old is om and it's development |
| 14:13.56 | frojnd | lindi-: good |
| 14:14.27 | beni_ | cool scrolling in FSO |
| 14:14.29 | beni_ | :) |
| 14:14.31 | beni_ | happy |
| 14:14.36 | almien | frojnd: about 2.7 years since they first announced starting work on it? |
| 14:14.53 | frojnd | almien: that's a nice timing |
| 14:15.01 | frojnd | and how many registered or active developers |
| 14:15.32 | almien | for OM I mean - someone can check that number. But the things it uses (openembedded, linux, GTK, gpsd, etc) have been developed for much longer |
| 14:15.54 | lindi- | frojnd: depends on what counts as a developer |
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| 14:16.16 | almien | never registered anywhere |
| 14:16.17 | frojnd | lindi-: application |
| 14:16.18 | frojnd | kernel |
| 14:16.24 | lindi- | frojnd: i have bought the device, used it for three days, reported a few bugs, helped others and ported one app |
| 14:16.57 | lindi- | frojnd: now i'm reading the mailing list archives for the last three months so that i don't have to ask these questions on irc again and again :P |
| 14:17.02 | frojnd | lindi-: I meant as write some c code |
| 14:17.12 | frojnd | lindi-: :) |
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| 14:17.19 | lindi- | frojnd: i can do C |
| 14:17.46 | Wiedi | hmmm, just tried the latest fso image from http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/ and now zhone hangs after entering my pin with "sending...". if i cancel the dialog after some minutes it does not register to the network, i can't access sms or the phonebook. but gps works fine. |
| 14:19.02 | alphaone | Wiedi: please reboot after firstboot-after flash |
| 14:19.24 | rwhitby | tangogps is going to fill my tmpfs on /tmp/x.log ... |
| 14:19.24 | baird | I'll have to save the significant time investment in getting up to speed is a big PITA... |
| 14:19.27 | alphaone | Wiedi: Although that sounds like a different issue... |
| 14:20.03 | ajbrun | is anyone else getting an error code of 2 after doing an opkg install? |
| 14:20.04 | Wiedi | yeah, reboot didn't help |
| 14:20.14 | ajbrun | no matter which image i try |
| 14:20.28 | alphaone | Wiedi: which image is that exactly? |
| 14:20.38 | Rigolo | alphaone: do you think MS2 is ready for day to day use? or still too rough around the edges? |
| 14:20.56 | Wiedi | openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080803133233-om--gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 14:21.16 | alphaone | Rigolo: MS2 still has some issues with parsing of contact names |
| 14:21.19 | lindi- | frojnd: do you know C? |
| 14:21.23 | frojnd | one easy q. I'm f rom slovenia but on official om's page there is no slovenia. If I buy om in germany which is near slovenia or from any other q. will om work here with slovenia's vega, simobilt, t-2, mobitel, etc ? als if a user have om in germany with working gps will gps work here in slovenia and in other countries ? |
| 14:21.32 | alphaone | Rigolo: The current snapshot should be much more stable in that respect |
| 14:21.36 | SpeedEvil | freelock: it's GSM |
| 14:21.47 | Rigolo | alphaone: contacts from the SIM? or those on the phone? |
| 14:21.52 | alphaone | SIM |
| 14:21.55 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: it's GSM - one phone system. If it's the right frequency it just works. |
| 14:22.08 | Rigolo | well .. I have no contacts on my SIM .. so that is not a real problem |
| 14:22.08 | alphaone | fso images at the moment only use SIM contacts |
| 14:22.10 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: And GPS works globally. It's the maps which vary. |
| 14:22.14 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: not those stupid hacks like with iphone ? |
| 14:22.16 | lindi- | frojnd: gps works everywhere if you can see the satellites |
| 14:22.19 | Rigolo | well .. that lastone is a problem then :-) |
| 14:22.26 | lindi- | frojnd: unless someone jams the signal |
| 14:22.28 | frojnd | and the price is global ? |
| 14:22.29 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: browse openstreetmap.com for typical maps. |
| 14:22.30 | alphaone | hehe |
| 14:22.30 | frojnd | 330€ |
| 14:22.40 | lindi- | i got mine for 299EUR :) |
| 14:22.46 | frojnd | lindi-: where |
| 14:22.47 | frojnd | :) |
| 14:22.49 | alphaone | Wiedi: that image should be okay.. |
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| 14:22.59 | lindi- | frojnd: pulster.de, they have raised the price now |
| 14:23.03 | frojnd | lindi-: with all the extra equipment ? |
| 14:23.10 | lindi- | frojnd: what extra? |
| 14:23.23 | Rigolo | alphaone: so then "I" can not use it at the moment .... I need my contacts (I have exported them from my nokia to a vcard file at the moment) |
| 14:23.25 | Wiedi | alphaone, i'll ssh in and start frameworkd with debugging, one second :) |
| 14:23.46 | frojnd | lindi-:adapter for the car |
| 14:23.57 | frojnd | lindi-: maybe a headset ? |
| 14:24.00 | lindi- | frojnd: nope |
| 14:24.04 | alphaone | Wiedi: you can just ssh into it, stop frameworkd, add log_level=DEBUG in [ogsmd] in /etc/frameworkd.conf and then start frameworkd on the command line and restart zhone |
| 14:24.13 | frojnd | does bt works with om ? |
| 14:24.13 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 14:24.15 | alphaone | Wiedi: Ah, okay :-) |
| 14:24.16 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 14:24.19 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: no |
| 14:24.19 | lindi- | frojnd: just charger and stylus |
| 14:24.26 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: how's that ? |
| 14:24.27 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: at the moment, it is _NOT_ a usable phone. |
| 14:24.34 | alphaone | Wiedi: Look for anything that might be an unhandled exception |
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| 14:24.39 | SpeedEvil | frojnd: you should not expect it to work as a usable phone. |
| 14:24.49 | tkep | so, i transferred (supposedly) all my contacts to my sim using my old motorola pebl. i put it in my freerunner, and it seems only 1/5 or so of my contacts show up. is this normal in om2007.2? |
| 14:24.57 | alphaone | Rigolo: Okay |
| 14:25.01 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: neod and pulseaudio are taking 15% of cpu time constantly, i am just reading mailing lists to figure out how to fix it :) |
| 14:25.04 | frojnd | SpeedEvil: but if the price is rising ... :D |
| 14:25.06 | alphaone | Contacts will take some time on fsl |
| 14:25.07 | alphaone | fso |
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| 14:25.22 | lindi- | frojnd: it's rising since it became so popular :PP |
| 14:25.28 | frojnd | And how many free space does om have ? 2,4,6,8gbs ? |
| 14:25.28 | baird | "On the other hand.." it's still a reasonably cheap Linux-based PDA... |
| 14:25.35 | lindi- | (just kidding, i don't know why pulster changed it) |
| 14:25.45 | frojnd | :) |
| 14:26.06 | tkep | lindi, if you need any help in doing that, let me know. that will increase battery life exponentially |
| 14:26.18 | lindi- | frojnd: you figure out how i can remove USB power from an USB device and i'll run df -h for you |
| 14:26.48 | lindi- | frojnd: since my phone is sleeping and the only way to wake it up is to either call it or walk there and physically press the power button |
| 14:26.48 | frojnd | lindi-: just unplugge it ? |
| 14:26.53 | Rigolo | can anyone comment on the speed of ASU (or should I start calling it OM2008.0 already?) |
| 14:27.02 | lindi- | frojnd: i'd want to avoid having to walk to another room where the phone is sleeping :) |
| 14:27.08 | frojnd | lindi-: :) |
| 14:27.22 | lindi- | plus the usb contacts will wear if i keep constantly unplugging and plugging them |
| 14:27.27 | frojnd | lindi-: u mentioned before, df -h it is really nice to have linux on the phone :D |
| 14:27.43 | lindi- | even rebooting the computer did not seem to remove 5V from the USB buss |
| 14:27.46 | lindi- | s/buss/bus/ |
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| 14:28.52 | frojnd | Battey life can be improved with development mhm... how many talking hours for om ? |
| 14:29.09 | SpeedEvil | Battery life is very much a work in progress. Suspend works for some people in some images on freerunner, leading to >24h suspend times. It looks plausible from various sources of information and testing that 3-5 hours of talk time, 20h of mp3 playing, and a week of standby should be possible. |
| 14:29.10 | lindi- | frojnd: six hours of talk time say the mailing list archives |
| 14:29.17 | lindi- | frojnd: but it depends on how close to cell tower you are |
| 14:29.25 | frojnd | lindi-: cell tower ? |
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| 14:29.52 | lindi- | that's not the proper term? |
| 14:29.55 | frojnd | lindi-: u mean the cell tower as providing signal ? |
| 14:30.21 | lindi- | frojnd: well, if you are close openmoko does not need to use so much energy for sending |
| 14:30.39 | baird | Rigolo: I was playing with it just then-- it was much more in line of my idea of an interface. Responsiveness wasn't fantastic, but an improvement over 2007.2 for certain. |
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| 14:32.01 | Rigolo | baird: well ... lat time I tried ASU (one week ago) I felt that 2007.02 was much faster then ASU. So now that they want to make it a formal "release" I was hoping that it would be quicker. With what version of 2007.02 did you compare it? |
| 14:33.45 | ajbrun | hi - what are my options if i think my gps chip is dodgey? |
| 14:34.06 | ajbrun | i haven't recieved a fix since i got the device using any image or software i've tried |
| 14:34.09 | stevenS1 | I'm trying to build the asu.dev tree on a powerpc and I'm getting: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: ELF file data encoding not little-endian. any ideas? |
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| 14:34.14 | baird | The ASU images were dated 0729; 2007.2 from the factory and a 0804 image. |
| 14:34.22 | lindi- | ajbrun: whats the signal level? |
| 14:34.40 | stevenS1 | ajburn: Have you tried it outside away from buildings? |
| 14:34.48 | baird | ajbrun: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems ? |
| 14:34.50 | ajbrun | none as far as i know |
| 14:35.05 | ajbrun | or actually |
| 14:35.11 | baird | There's a hardware issue caused by interference with the SD card... |
| 14:35.12 | ajbrun | i'm using the FSO image at the moment |
| 14:35.30 | beni_ | booting with sdhc card now works fine :D |
| 14:35.36 | ajbrun | and i don't even know if gps is on, but i've tried the 2007.2, and that definatly didn't get anything |
| 14:36.19 | lindi- | ajbrun: hmm? |
| 14:36.34 | ajbrun | baird - i thought that got fixed by stopping the sd card temporarily until it got its first fix or something? |
| 14:36.40 | stevenS1 | ajburn: When you cat /dev/ttySAC1 do you see messages? |
| 14:36.44 | lindi- | i really need to find a way to unsuspend my moko remotely |
| 14:37.34 | ajbrun | stevenS1 - nothing happens#my ssh seems to have just hung until i cancel it |
| 14:37.40 | SpeedEvil | post your phone number :) |
| 14:37.57 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: that'd work yes :) |
| 14:38.35 | Rigolo | well .. it that works .. no other phones around? |
| 14:39.19 | lindi- | Rigolo: it's connected via usb so if i only could remove power from USB |
| 14:39.33 | stevenS1 | ajbburn: If your not getting any messages, then the GPS might not be powered. With the gtk image you can turn it on from the menu the shows up when you press (power, I think). Or you can echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron |
| 14:39.34 | lindi- | Rigolo: i could setup RTC wakeup for my desktop computer, then shutdown -h now the desktop computer |
| 14:39.58 | ajbrun | i might try the 2007.2 image again as i seem to have had more success with more packages with that |
| 14:39.58 | lindi- | Rigolo: except that i can't reach the bios of the desktop computer since it needs some special compaq setup partition :P |
| 14:40.44 | Rigolo | lindi-: does compaq still do that? .. but those can be easily recreated ... at least .. as I can remember on OLD compaqs |
| 14:40.57 | lindi- | Rigolo: it's 200MHz compaq deskpro |
| 14:41.13 | lindi- | Rigolo: the computer does not have a HDD anymore at all |
| 14:41.14 | almien | converting tangogps logfiles to GPX - can gpsbabel do it? |
| 14:41.25 | Rigolo | lindi-: how about just sending some random bits to your USB controller .. make it go crazy .. untill it stops completly :-) |
| 14:41.33 | lindi- | Rigolo: heh |
| 14:41.47 | lindi- | Rigolo: rebooting desktop computer did not seem to have an effect so i don't think that will either |
| 14:41.57 | SpeedEvil | almien: no |
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| 14:42.04 | ajbrun | stevenS1 - i don't get a menu using the power button, and that command doesn't seem to have helped |
| 14:42.04 | SpeedEvil | almien: At least not as I understand it. |
| 14:42.20 | SpeedEvil | almien: I tried for a few moments, then just told gllin to log NMEA too |
| 14:42.20 | Rigolo | lindi-: well .. those are those OLD compaqs that i talked about .. my previous company had 1000s of them (at least .. that was how it felt, no mater what you did to break yours .. you always got a new one back) |
| 14:42.22 | ajbrun | i get issues with opkg using the defaut image however |
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| 14:42.48 | Rigolo | lindi-: but reboot leaves the power .. how about a complete shutdown .. ? |
| 14:43.03 | lindi- | Rigolo: complete shutdown probably works but then i can't access the desktop :) |
| 14:43.12 | Rigolo | oo that is remote too? |
| 14:43.19 | lindi- | yes |
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| 14:43.47 | beni_ | i got I/O errors from glamo if i try to access the sdhc card now. |
| 14:43.54 | lindi- | i type on laptop now. openmoko is charging from the 200MHz desktop that i use as VNC viewer and ESD server |
| 14:44.08 | beni_ | glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120 |
| 14:44.08 | beni_ | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command |
| 14:44.08 | beni_ | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 |
| 14:44.13 | beni_ | is this something i should report? |
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| 14:44.32 | lindi- | beni_: if you can't find it from bugs.openmoko.org or google then yes? |
| 14:44.39 | beni_ | okay |
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| 14:45.29 | SpeedEvil | almien: actually, I think it supports a CSV option |
| 14:45.51 | tkep | ajbrun, that power button issue is likely because your not using om2007.2, i think it's the only image with that power menu |
| 14:46.10 | ajbrun | yeah - i just realised that :p |
| 14:46.17 | ajbrun | changing it as we speak |
| 14:46.21 | tkep | so, i transferred (supposedly) all my contacts to my sim using my old motorola pebl. i put it in my freerunner, and it seems only 1/5 or so of my contacts show up. is this normal in om2007.2? (sorry to ask again) |
| 14:46.40 | tkep | or did the pebl not do its job? |
| 14:46.46 | stevenS1 | ajburn: Do you know if the file in /sys existed before you echo'd to it? (I guess it is hard to check now while your flashing) |
| 14:46.50 | tkep | i'm going to suncom today to get the 4 contact sim |
| 14:46.58 | tkep | whatever that's called |
| 14:47.08 | ajbrun | i guess the latest stable release from way back in april is the 'best' one to use rather than one of the dailies? |
| 14:47.31 | tkep | ajbrun, i use the dailys, but that is the last "stable" from my understanding |
| 14:47.46 | ajbrun | stevenS1 - i'll let you know in 5 mins time |
| 14:48.31 | Rigolo | lindi-: well .. then you need one of these :-) http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=AP7920 |
| 14:48.57 | lindi- | Rigolo: yeah right :P |
| 14:49.22 | Rigolo | lindi-: or get up and walk over to the FR .. (or is that a very long walk) |
| 14:49.44 | lindi- | Rigolo: but the components will wear :) |
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| 14:50.29 | SpeedEvil | almien: examine the unicsv format maybe |
| 14:51.21 | Rigolo | lindi-: well ... then I think you need to invest in some length of powercable so that you can build your own poormans remove power switch |
| 14:51.33 | tkep | http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html <----hahahaha |
| 14:51.45 | lindi- | Rigolo: heh |
| 14:52.34 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf28bb60b1503 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it) |
| 14:52.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb2205815ce35 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk... |
| 14:53.17 | Rigolo | mmm what does that mean ... remove qtopis from the asu image? .. just in name I would guess |
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| 14:53.56 | almien | how do you securely destroy a USB key? |
| 14:54.07 | zash | with fire! |
| 14:54.07 | Rigolo | woodchipper :-) |
| 14:54.19 | khorben | like a witch |
| 14:55.57 | ajbrun | starting up now stevenS1, but this time without an sd card, using the latest stable 2007.2 GTK Image |
| 14:56.19 | frojnd | Does om supports UMTS ? |
| 14:56.53 | tkep | hey, is the headphone out of this phone exceptionally crappy? or is it likely an issue with my cable or alsa settings? |
| 14:57.03 | tkep | because it sounded shitty in my car last night :( |
| 14:57.08 | Rigolo | frojnd: well .. only the other letters from the alfabet .. but not those 4:-) |
| 14:57.22 | almien | take the memory out and drill it I suppose... |
| 14:57.23 | stevenS1 | ajburn: That image should give you a menu with the power button, turn on the GPS, then cat /dev/ttySAC1 and hope something shows up |
| 14:57.25 | tkep | almost like a bad cable...too thick of a gauge or something |
| 14:57.26 | Rigolo | frojnd: please search the wiki |
| 14:57.49 | almien | SpeedEvil: the conversion script is trivial (tangogps already puts out CSV with even the correct timestamp format), so no problems there |
| 14:57.56 | SpeedEvil | almien: yeah |
| 14:59.38 | frojnd | Rigolo: looks like umts can be accomodated in om |
| 14:59.56 | frojnd | japan represents a huge place of om's users :) |
| 15:00.05 | frojnd | or a potential users |
| 15:00.11 | ajbrun | stevenS1 - i'm getting lots of info |
| 15:00.18 | almien | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/TangoGps |
| 15:00.20 | ajbrun | "unknown" on every line |
| 15:00.31 | Rigolo | frojnd: well ... if you can point to a "open" UMTS capable chipset with linux drivers etc ... then please let the openmoko team know |
| 15:00.43 | ajbrun | i'll paste bin it |
| 15:00.56 | Rigolo | frojnd: and .. it should be not hughly expensive |
| 15:01.07 | ajbrun | stevenS1 - http://pastebin.com/d24f7bc16 |
| 15:01.48 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re9f59df3677d 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes |
| 15:02.33 | stevenS1 | ajburn: That means the GPS chip is reporting data but don't have a fix yet |
| 15:02.46 | ajbrun | ah ok |
| 15:03.08 | ajbrun | gpssight is looking slightly promising |
| 15:03.16 | ajbrun | i'll try taking it outside |
| 15:03.58 | ajbrun | yeah - gps sight keeps getting the time every now and then |
| 15:03.59 | stevenS1 | ajburn: That's what I had to do, I can't get anything from my apartment, even from my balcony but onec I walked 100 meters away into a nearby field 12 come into view |
| 15:04.33 | almien | that's the problem with developing GPS apps -- you have to be outside to use them... |
| 15:04.39 | ajbrun | kk - i'll let you know how it goes :p |
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| 15:04.57 | ajbrun | i guess i'll have to get wi-fi working after that to see maps out doors too |
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| 15:05.46 | almien | download maps in advance |
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| 15:10.36 | tkep | haha, is everyone ignoring my questions? (i probably have asked too many :() |
| 15:11.11 | Rigolo | almien: maybe you can do what lindi- is doing ... just put one somewhere remote and connect via USB to your FR :-) |
| 15:11.27 | Rigolo | put it on top of your roof with a usb cable through your window :-) |
| 15:11.59 | Rigolo | or find a nice and sunny country ... build a cabin from palm trees and start developing there (my favourite option of the two) |
| 15:12.01 | lindi- | almien: just hide your openmoko to a bus, then use vnc to access the ui over gprs |
| 15:12.18 | tkep | lol, i guess so |
| 15:12.32 | Rigolo | yea ... on top of a bus, then you can also get plots etc ... good thinking |
| 15:13.01 | Rigolo | I my nice and sunny country scenario that would be hard .. so there just glue it to a back of a monkey or something :-) |
| 15:13.19 | Rigolo | .lastlog tkep |
| 15:13.27 | Rigolo | i mean .... /lastlog tkep :-) |
| 15:14.10 | Rigolo | well ... just play around with alsamixer ... |
| 15:14.11 | tkep | thanks Rigolo :) |
| 15:14.25 | tkep | ok, will do. it's, unfortunately, hard to do so in my car |
| 15:14.28 | Rigolo | I had to adjust the MIC2 settings for people to hear me correctly |
| 15:15.05 | tkep | it'd be nice if we could get a baseline number for the different devices |
| 15:15.08 | Rigolo | tkep: also there .... leave it in your car .. and then use some audio via ip via gprs to get the audio to your desk :-) |
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| 15:15.24 | tkep | haha, nic |
| 15:15.25 | tkep | e |
| 15:15.44 | tkep | s/nic/nice |
| 15:16.04 | tkep | but yeah, i might hook it up to some computer speakers and play from there |
| 15:16.08 | tkep | or headphones |
| 15:16.11 | tkep | i'll do that later |
| 15:16.21 | tkep | so the output *should* be good then? |
| 15:16.34 | tkep | what device is that? (there are sooo many in alsamixer) |
| 15:16.38 | Rigolo | and while you at it ... write some nice audio profile switching app :=-) |
| 15:16.53 | Rigolo | tkep: well ..that is somewhere on the wiki I would guess |
| 15:17.11 | tkep | Rigolo, if only i knew how to code. however, i am strongly thinking of using the fr as my first start |
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| 15:20.43 | tkep | Rigolo, as for the other question, are you aware of issues reading from the sim card? |
| 15:21.17 | danw | hello everyone, does anyone know much about qtopia (from qtopia.net) on the freerunner? |
| 15:21.23 | Rigolo | does not use any contacts on the SIM ... but alphaone said that FSO MS2 had some issues with reading contacts from the SIM |
| 15:21.27 | danw | I have it running and most things work really well |
| 15:21.46 | Tanuva | wow. I'm at home on the first floor and the neo just got a gps fix while lying flat on my desk... |
| 15:21.46 | danw | but there's no way of filtering contacts... anyone know anything? |
| 15:22.10 | tkep | danw, is it ugly? |
| 15:22.12 | tkep | :) |
| 15:22.42 | alphaone | tkep: current devel image of fso should have that fixed - mostly |
| 15:22.46 | danw | tkep: it works briliantly, far better than all the other images I tried |
| 15:23.04 | tkep | i'm just speaking about aesthetically |
| 15:23.06 | tkep | :) |
| 15:23.14 | ajbrun | does anyone know where i can find openmoko-agpsui? |
| 15:23.15 | danw | I personally really like the way it looks |
| 15:23.19 | tkep | and dan, i am actually downloading it now to try it |
| 15:23.23 | tkep | how's battery life with it? |
| 15:23.25 | Tanuva | ajbrun: community repo IIRC |
| 15:23.33 | Tanuva | ajbrun: simply opkg install it |
| 15:23.43 | danw | battery life seems to be the other thing... there seems to be suspend, but I only got about 8 hours out of it |
| 15:23.44 | ajbrun | i tried that, but it says it can't find it |
| 15:23.54 | Tanuva | ajbrun: did you opkg update first? |
| 15:23.57 | ajbrun | it used to work a few days ago |
| 15:24.00 | ajbrun | before all the 404 probs |
| 15:24.02 | ajbrun | yep |
| 15:24.11 | ajbrun | i'll try again in a min |
| 15:24.21 | ajbrun | i'm doing an upgrade atm |
| 15:25.05 | Tanuva | hmm, you might be right, I can't get it either |
| 15:25.21 | danw | it's not been there for a few days |
| 15:25.24 | ajbrun | i'm just wondering if someone downloaded it before it went away |
| 15:25.58 | ajbrun | i don't like not having repos :p |
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| 15:26.38 | malik1972 | lpotter: ping |
| 15:26.42 | aevin | i am currently having some problems with my opkg (reporting error code 2 = error parsing config file), can someone please share their working /etc/opkg.conf in a pastebin on the web? |
| 15:26.42 | danw | when is ASU meant to be released? |
| 15:26.44 | Tanuva | packages seem to disappear periodically, IIRC I had such an issue, too |
| 15:26.46 | Martix | opkg install mplayer dont work |
| 15:26.54 | ajbrun | aevin - i get that too |
| 15:27.21 | Martix | i have OM 2007.2 and ScaredyCat repository |
| 15:27.28 | aevin | danw: on the OM wiki, it says august 8, but I am not sure if this target is up to date |
| 15:27.37 | danw | well |
| 15:27.41 | danw | judging by the last time I tried it |
| 15:27.44 | danw | it is nowhere near |
| 15:28.05 | ajbrun | i haven't had it again yet on the original stable image aevin |
| 15:28.15 | ajbrun | if it continues to work i'll paste it |
| 15:29.37 | Tanuva | Do the gtk/qt stacks support sending control sequences (f.e. *100#)? |
| 15:29.43 | ajbrun | aevin - http://pastebin.com/d590db709 |
| 15:29.46 | ajbrun | this is mine atm |
| 15:29.54 | ajbrun | from the 2007.2 stable |
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| 15:30.10 | ajbrun | but the problem still may occur - i might not have given it chance yet |
| 15:32.15 | tkep | where are mofi configs stored? |
| 15:32.25 | tkep | nvm |
| 15:32.27 | tkep | found em :) |
| 15:32.37 | tkep | ls -a (duh) |
| 15:34.20 | danw | tkep: do you know anything about whether qtopia apps written on qtopia "official" will work under the ASU? |
| 15:34.43 | ajbrun | aevin - still getting same problem as you |
| 15:35.10 | tkep | danw, i could not say, but based on the fact that 2007.2 ones do, there is a good chance |
| 15:35.13 | Martix | where can I find mplayer? |
| 15:35.22 | tkep | but then again, it seems like they would be ported quicker if that were the case |
| 15:35.23 | aevin | ajbrun: mine is identical. but it might be some of the config files in /etc/opkg/*.conf instead. |
| 15:35.27 | danw | tkep: yes, but 2007.2 apps are gtk, aren't they |
| 15:35.30 | tkep | at least as placeholder apps if nothing else |
| 15:35.33 | danw | I write Qt |
| 15:35.43 | tkep | right, so i would think qt based would be even more likely because of it |
| 15:35.49 | danw | I hope so |
| 15:35.57 | danw | because right now, the qtopia image allows use as a normal phone as well |
| 15:36.00 | tkep | but i can't say definitely |
| 15:36.04 | danw | and I have it syncing with my desktop PIM |
| 15:36.11 | Rigolo | Martix: have a look at this ..... http://unadventure.wordpress.com/ |
| 15:36.15 | danw | I would say it's actually _better_ as a phone than my symbian phone |
| 15:36.26 | tkep | yeah, i am really thinking of hopping to the qtopia image, but probably as dual boot as i want to report bugs as they become available |
| 15:36.33 | danw | yeh |
| 15:36.41 | danw | lack of a web browser is a problem, but apparently that's coming in 4.4 |
| 15:36.48 | danw | apart from that, only battery life |
| 15:36.57 | danw | and the fact that it sort of wants a proper keyboard to do somethings |
| 15:37.02 | danw | they are the only issues |
| 15:37.20 | tkep | so qtopia has just as bad of battery life as the rest? |
| 15:37.35 | tkep | i guess that makes sense, it would have to know the hardware pretty well |
| 15:37.36 | danw | I don't know |
| 15:37.37 | danw | I haven't battery life tested the other images |
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| 15:37.46 | danw | I only got about 8 hours though |
| 15:37.47 | tkep | danw, does it last more than 12 hours? |
| 15:37.51 | tkep | yeah, so it's just as bad |
| 15:38.00 | danw | I assume battery life issues are mainly to do with the kernel, though |
| 15:38.12 | tkep | well, there are a ton of factors |
| 15:38.20 | danw | I mean, what battery life are we expecting to be possible, once it's "ready" |
| 15:38.21 | Martix | Rigolo: ok |
| 15:38.30 | danw | most smartphones only last 3 days at a push anyway |
| 15:38.30 | Martix | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player#Using_standard_Mplayer opkg install mplayer didnt working |
| 15:38.39 | tkep | like someone mentioned earlier, pulseaudio is constantly using something like 5-10% cpu, even when not playing sounds |
| 15:39.04 | tkep | that's a lot of idle cpu time for something like the audio engine |
| 15:39.09 | leinir | danw: Well, a freerunner should be able to last a considerable amount of time in hybernation :) |
| 15:39.24 | tkep | so things like that are killing it. on top of an improperly working suspend |
| 15:39.43 | tkep | but yes, the kernel would be what interacts with the low-level power management stuff |
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| 15:40.20 | ajbrun | ewww - i've just booted my freerunner after doing an opkg upgrade and now it's asking for a login |
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| 15:41.47 | tkep | haha, "root" |
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| 15:42.01 | ajbrun | i know, but there's no keyboard |
| 15:42.11 | ajbrun | this is before the os is ready |
| 15:42.18 | ajbrun | where it says angstram |
| 15:42.36 | tkep | yeah, i know. you can ssh to it though, start working on it from there. try backing off the kernel |
| 15:42.58 | ajbrun | backing off? |
| 15:43.29 | ajbrun | you mean down grade? |
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| 15:45.01 | tkep | yeah |
| 15:45.16 | Tig|_ | drat. I seem to have managed to totally depower my battery, is there any way of getting it back without a second slightly charged battery? |
| 15:45.21 | tkep | downgrade...sorry, that was kinda ambiguous |
| 15:45.37 | Tig|_ | I seem to remember loads of stuff on the mailing list but was not sure if anyone managed it |
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| 15:46.10 | tkep | so, i'm really, really starting to like this phone a lot. most of my initial frustrations are going away now that i see forward progress in a lot of areas i complained about. so cheers to all of you |
| 15:46.25 | tkep | Tig|_, i did that, use the wall charger |
| 15:46.40 | Tig|_ | tkep, just tried that and no joy :( |
| 15:46.42 | tkep | that fixed my issue. but yours may be worse off than my was |
| 15:46.44 | tkep | dang |
| 15:47.32 | tkep | is this the fr or the 73? |
| 15:47.40 | Tig|_ | I don't suppose I could hook up 2AA batteries to create a 3V supply :) |
| 15:47.41 | Tig|_ | FR |
| 15:47.52 | tkep | hmmmmm |
| 15:49.35 | tkep | sorry guys, off to suncom to get a new sim. i'll be back soon |
| 15:50.49 | Tig|_ | aha! fixed it :) |
| 15:50.55 | tkep | how? |
| 15:51.06 | tkep | and what's the type of sim card that has the 4 rows of contacts? |
| 15:51.10 | ajbrun | can someone link me to a stable uImage of a kernel they're using please? |
| 15:51.27 | Tig|_ | pinched a battery out of a nokia :) touched the battery to the contacts (after checking the voltage etc) |
| 15:51.33 | ajbrun | my phone keeps dying on both i've tried so ar |
| 15:52.32 | tkep | Tig|_, good to hear |
| 15:52.34 | tkep | take care |
| 15:53.02 | Tig|_ | tkep: cheers :) |
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| 15:54.11 | Tig|_ | right so a tip for those in the UK, you can get a nokia PAYG from sainsburys for £10 which you can use for rescuing your freerunner :) |
| 15:54.18 | ajbrun | erm... |
| 15:54.27 | ajbrun | my phone seems to have died completely |
| 15:54.45 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: sitting at the Openmoko screen? |
| 15:54.45 | ajbrun | it won't start anymore |
| 15:54.48 | ajbrun | nope |
| 15:54.51 | ajbrun | nothing happens |
| 15:54.52 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: have you tied a chicken to it, and done the penguin dance? |
| 15:54.59 | ajbrun | not yet |
| 15:55.07 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: has the battery gone completely flat? |
| 15:55.07 | ajbrun | we're having chicken for dinner though |
| 15:55.13 | ajbrun | doubt it |
| 15:55.17 | ajbrun | it was connected to my pc |
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| 15:55.27 | ajbrun | i'll wall charge it anyway |
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| 15:55.52 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: do you know about the recent update that broke lots of things? |
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| 15:56.34 | ajbrun | no, but i guess i do now... |
| 15:56.49 | ajbrun | i just did an opkg upgrade |
| 15:56.52 | Tig|_ | hang on will find a mailing list post that explains it all |
| 15:56.53 | ajbrun | restarted |
| 15:57.14 | ajbrun | then it asked me to login, so i updated the kernel to the stable release |
| 15:57.17 | Tig|_ | you need to reinstall some kernel mods and run depmod before you restart |
| 15:57.39 | ajbrun | but the issue is that it won't start at all as of yet |
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| 16:04.34 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: mine would not start as I ran into the update issue and had left it waiting on the Openmoko screen while it was hanging |
| 16:05.52 | Tig|_ | but while it is on that screen it is not charging the battery but will stay on which is why my battery went flat. I have just done a bit of battery swapping and flashed the kernel to an older one and restarted it on the wall charger and it has sprung back into life here :) |
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| 16:06.26 | ajbrun | could you link the kernel you used, just so i know? |
| 16:07.28 | ajbrun | i'm using the wall charger, but it's still pretty dead |
| 16:07.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r48dbffd1a8dc 10/conf/distro/openmoko.conf: [openmoko] Back that accidental change out. |
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| 16:09.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r02839c26145d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Revert "[exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59" |
| 16:09.31 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd09df40f335f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [opk] Prepare to switch over to the "opk" fileending |
| 16:09.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb3f214e66cc6 10/classes/ (package_opk.bbclass rootfs_opk.bbclass): [opk] First set of function name renaming |
| 16:09.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd4c8b4b556e4 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [opkg-utils] Add svn version of these tools |
| 16:09.36 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ree04d73174cb 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [packaging] Continue with the opk renaming |
| 16:09.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb5ccec63217e 10/packages/meta/package-index.bb: [package-index] Make it work with ipk and opk... |
| 16:09.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r961740a88925 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade diversity-daemon as of olv's request for wifi changes |
| 16:09.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd15ed37b9ef3 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [asu] Create ASU/Om2008.8 task and image (to ease removing Qtopia from it) |
| 16:09.46 | ajbrun | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td587635 <--- just reading this |
| 16:10.48 | dbmoodb | ajbrun: can you post on the wiki where and when you find the latest stable along with the md5sums |
| 16:10.51 | ajbrun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked :( |
| 16:10.52 | dbmoodb | that way we can find it |
| 16:11.26 | ajbrun | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ |
| 16:11.29 | ajbrun | it was those |
| 16:11.57 | ajbrun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images#2007.2_GTK_Image |
| 16:12.28 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: what happens when you power on? |
| 16:12.34 | ajbrun | nothing atm |
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| 16:12.44 | ajbrun | it's been charging for about 5-10 mins so dar |
| 16:12.46 | ajbrun | far |
| 16:12.53 | Tig|_ | that sounds more like a deeply discharged battery imho |
| 16:13.14 | Tig|_ | If the battery is totally flat then it will not charge iirc |
| 16:13.31 | ajbrun | even by charging from the wall? |
| 16:13.42 | ajbrun | plus it's been connected to my pc all day |
| 16:14.19 | Tig|_ | nope, as I read it, the charging circuit will not fire up as it needs to know what rate to use and it cant detect that until it starts which it can't as there is no power... |
| 16:14.50 | ajbrun | but i'm saying that it should have full power as it's been on my pc all day |
| 16:15.05 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: if it has been connected to your PC all day then this is less likely unless somehow the charging circuit has not been working |
| 16:15.05 | ajbrun | but assuming it got drained somehow, that does sound right Tig|_ |
| 16:15.26 | Rigolo | ajbrun: and you press and hold the powerbutton for a long time (>10sec plus?) |
| 16:15.34 | ajbrun | yep |
| 16:15.35 | Tig|_ | and considering all the fun and games we have had with the kernel recently... :) |
| 16:15.41 | ajbrun | tries again |
| 16:16.12 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: it just sounds identical to mine earlier :) |
| 16:16.16 | dbmoodb | Tig|_: i want the damn image / setup i had a day ago |
| 16:16.28 | dbmoodb | when my freaking usb keyboard actually worked |
| 16:16.33 | Tig|_ | dbmoodb: heh I know that feeling :) |
| 16:16.33 | Rigolo | ajbrun: and disconnect it from everything first .... maybe even remove the battery for more then 1 min to exlcude any bad state of the device |
| 16:16.43 | ajbrun | kk |
| 16:17.01 | ajbrun | battery is out |
| 16:17.06 | dbmoodb | Tig|_: i'm not updating for a while now |
| 16:17.29 | Rigolo | dbmoodb: and you did check what it was going to update with opkg -test upgrade first? |
| 16:17.35 | Tig|_ | dbmoodb: I wish you could snapshot the flash and sd card sometimes and have roll backs etc :) |
| 16:17.35 | ajbrun | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.50 | Rigolo | just did that .. and now I'm going to flash a latest build of FSO .. |
| 16:17.51 | mwester | thinks microsoft has trained computer users, and now everyone blindly "upgrades" at every opportunity. :( |
| 16:18.01 | Tig|_ | hmm lvm on the freerunner..... |
| 16:18.18 | dbmoodb | Tig|_: snapshot on opkg udpate of kernel make a copy of it rofl |
| 16:18.33 | dbmoodb | mwester: nar dude my debians update perfectly :) |
| 16:18.46 | Rigolo | Tig|_: snapshot flash is easy .... dd if=/desv/flashshowthing of=/somefile |
| 16:18.49 | Tig|_ | dbmoodb: :) |
| 16:18.49 | dbmoodb | thinks microsoft should die |
| 16:18.53 | ajbrun | hey - i'm back! |
| 16:18.53 | mwester | In early development such as this, there's absolutely no reason to assume that updates will actually work; there is ZERO qa performed by anyone. |
| 16:18.58 | ajbrun | battery back in and it works |
| 16:19.00 | dbmoodb | Rigolo: yes it is easy but we mean automatically |
| 16:19.11 | dbmoodb | mwester: yeah dude |
| 16:19.14 | ajbrun | lets see if it fully boots now |
| 16:19.37 | dbmoodb | mwester: but can we have the packages /things signed and proper md5sums posted for the simplest things like the 2007.2 release ? |
| 16:19.45 | Rigolo | dbmoodb: you mean automagically :-) |
| 16:19.48 | dbmoodb | its not md5sumed -- the fso one fecking hell |
| 16:19.55 | dbmoodb | is* |
| 16:20.13 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ree9c84fd60dd 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: add links to methods and signals |
| 16:20.14 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbbbc4fab7edc 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: describe methods and signals |
| 16:20.15 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r22c8ecd28f3a 10/tools/makedoc.py: makedoc: describe errors |
| 16:20.16 | dbmoodb | the fso one is md5checksumed / recorded |
| 16:20.24 | dbmoodb | but the official one isn't what gives ? |
| 16:20.45 | mwester | FSO is done by a different group. The nightly images are development snapshots, not releases. |
| 16:20.51 | Rigolo | dbmoodb: well.. who knows .. an other reason why they started FSO in the first place |
| 16:20.51 | baird | "microsoft has trained computer users" .... what about us NetBSD-current users? :P :) (sup, build, boot, sup, build, boot, ...) |
| 16:21.13 | dbmoodb | sup ? |
| 16:21.20 | Tig|_ | baird: both of you? :) (kidding) :) |
| 16:21.21 | mwester | I think you are assuming a bit too much in terms of the current state of the software... |
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| 16:21.54 | baird | Tig|_: no offence taken-- it's a joke I make myself. :) |
| 16:22.01 | ajbrun | Tig|_ - which is the kernel image you're using now? |
| 16:22.07 | dbmoodb | Rigolo: well the official stable should be recorded (md5sums) |
| 16:22.16 | dbmoodb | at least for good documentation |
| 16:22.29 | Tig|_ | mwester: can I just say a quick thanks for your kernel images that you have put up :) just used it again to get my freerunner back after an update snafu :) |
| 16:22.46 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: speak of the devil :) |
| 16:22.57 | ajbrun | mwester ? |
| 16:23.00 | Tig|_ | http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels :) |
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| 16:23.09 | ajbrun | ah ty :) |
| 16:23.13 | ajbrun | i'll see if i have more luck |
| 16:24.06 | mwester | Tig|_: Thanks. They're a bit behind right now; I hope to have some updated ones (with the most recent updates from the OM kernel folks) later today... |
| 16:24.18 | Tig|_ | cool :) |
| 16:24.29 | Tig|_ | thanks :) |
| 16:25.08 | Rigolo | mwester: any plans to work on ASU or FSO suspend mods ? |
| 16:25.17 | Rigolo | or are they not needed :-) |
| 16:27.00 | mwester | They are needed. I haven't been able to get ASU to build recently. I need to put together some stuff for the FSO team; they've indicated that they'll add the necessary stuff as soon as I do that. :) |
| 16:27.04 | ajbrun | hmm - it's on the login screen again |
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| 16:28.31 | ajbrun | /etc/init.d/rc: line 167: splash-write: not found |
| 16:29.38 | dbmoodb | mwester: nice work dude |
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| 16:30.37 | dbmoodb | mwester: were are the modules tho ? |
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| 16:31.35 | Quiliro | hello |
| 16:32.04 | ajbrun | hello |
| 16:32.40 | Quiliro | anybody could tell me where to look for information on how to implement openmoko on my kyocera 7135? |
| 16:33.37 | mwester | dbmoodb: The core drivers are all built-in, so you'll actually get some messages on boot as the boot-up stuff tries to load modules that are already in the kernel. The ones not built-in will just be read from your normal rootfs; the kernel version is the same. |
| 16:34.08 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 16:34.18 | mwester | There's no reason to have modules for the core hardware IMO. |
| 16:34.22 | dbmoodb | i'm just looking for a kernel where i can use an external usb keyboard |
| 16:34.29 | dbmoodb | mwester: i agree |
| 16:34.50 | Quiliro | i have found info for the neo only |
| 16:34.52 | mwester | I use an external bluetooth keyboard; works well. I haven't tried any other HID devices on the USB. |
| 16:35.08 | Quiliro | no info for the dragonball mz |
| 16:35.08 | dbmoodb | well in the latest update they are broken |
| 16:35.22 | dbmoodb | Quiliro: are you being a troll or being serious ? |
| 16:35.32 | Quiliro | i am serous! |
| 16:35.38 | Quiliro | i am a newbie |
| 16:35.47 | dbmoodb | that's not an excuse |
| 16:35.58 | Quiliro | what did i do wrong? |
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| 16:36.22 | dbmoodb | well i'm trying to understand dragonball mz is what ? |
| 16:36.41 | Quiliro | its the kyocera 7135 procesor |
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| 16:36.57 | dbmoodb | ok fair enough -- is it an arm arch ? |
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| 16:37.05 | Quiliro | nope |
| 16:37.12 | dbmoodb | do you know what arch it is ? |
| 16:37.23 | Tig|_ | http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/7135-smartphone/ |
| 16:37.27 | Quiliro | arm is one architecture and dragonball mz is another |
| 16:37.46 | Quiliro | thanks Tig|_ |
| 16:38.24 | dbmoodb | its only 33mhz .... i don't think openmoko is going t obe that great on it it also only has 16mb of ram |
| 16:39.03 | Tig|_ | Quiliro: I have not heard of anyone running the openmoko stack on it :( all the precompiled images at the moment will be for the Neo 1973 or the Freerunner |
| 16:39.55 | Quiliro | Tig|_ : is there any older source? |
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| 16:40.13 | ajbrun | nope |
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| 16:41.54 | Tig|_ | Quiliro: I don't think it would be any use, I have only found one person who managed to get linux on the Kyocera 7135 but they did not get it booting :( |
| 16:45.00 | ajbrun | anyone got any idea when the next stable release of 2007.2 will be out? |
| 16:46.15 | Tig|_ | ajbrun: Is anyone still working on the 2007.2? |
| 16:46.59 | ajbrun | hmmm ok :p |
| 16:47.03 | ajbrun | FSO then? |
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| 16:47.53 | Tig|_ | I think FSO has hit milestone 2 but they are still working on the underpinnings of the stack rather than building a usable phone |
| 16:48.28 | dbmoodb | ajbrun: i hope some one is working on something rofl |
| 16:48.38 | baird | lol... That Arkanoid PSID from the Commodore64 is likely copyrighted... :D |
| 16:48.51 | charlie137 | Tig|_ : hi |
| 16:48.57 | charlie137 | i work on FSO |
| 16:48.57 | Tig|_ | hi |
| 16:49.06 | ajbrun | i'm not sure which most people are working on anymore |
| 16:49.22 | charlie137 | currently ASU |
| 16:49.23 | Tig|_ | charlie137: ah! :) congrats on all the work so far :) |
| 16:49.37 | charlie137 | thanks, but you should say it to Mickey not me really ahah |
| 16:50.30 | Andre613 | charlie137: Do you have to be an OM employee or something to contribute to ASU or FSO? I can't seem to find any info on how to get in on those projects |
| 16:51.05 | Kero | fso is in mokomakefile, I learned. |
| 16:51.07 | charlie137 | Andre613: sure you can contribute |
| 16:51.25 | charlie137 | Andre613: but you are right that we lake good tutorial about that ! |
| 16:51.27 | Kero | I can't build it, tho (perl 5.8.8. wont get bitbaked) |
| 16:52.18 | charlie137 | Kero: really ? last time friday I could build FSO, didn't have this problem |
| 16:53.27 | mmaestri | charlie137: i've tried yesterday, and it failed on linux-openmoko |
| 16:53.30 | Kero | I upgraded from a very old repo. |
| 16:53.36 | charlie137 | there is something about FSO : it is not officially supported by OpenMoko, so far it is just an image done to work on the framework |
| 16:53.41 | Kero | I might try with a clean slate |
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| 16:54.46 | charlie137 | maybe in the future FSO will be merged with ASU |
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| 16:56.47 | mmaestri | charlie137: i get that the image is like a "placeholder" to the framework |
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| 16:57.18 | charlie137 | mmaestri: yes |
| 16:57.31 | mmaestri | but how can we get only the framework to integrate with ASU, for example |
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| 16:58.00 | dbmoodb | i would be happy if anyone could get the touchscreen calibrated on debian :) |
| 16:58.22 | dbmoodb | if anyone wants to take a poke please go right ahead :) |
| 16:58.32 | Kero | ok, found my own 2007.2 work on the other machine; I'll wipe the whole thing here and try building fso-image again |
| 16:58.45 | charlie137 | to use framework with ASU, we need to modify Qtopia gsm classes to use the Framework API |
| 16:59.25 | charlie137 | or even totally remove Qtopia stuffs |
| 17:00.07 | mmaestri | so we can build and upgrade an image and integrate the framework? |
| 17:00.20 | dbmoodb | quickdev: is no good ? (qtopia) - noticed it kept trying to get a network lock -- i'm normally just within range and 2007.2 has a signal here... |
| 17:01.05 | charlie137 | mmaestri: I am planing to get an answer to this question first thing next week |
| 17:01.56 | charlie137 | mmaestri: right now i am not sure what would happen if you install the framework daemon on ASU |
| 17:02.01 | quickdev | dbmoodb, don't try to write nicks when thinking about _q_topia ;) |
| 17:02.49 | dbmoodb | quickdev: ah? |
| 17:06.10 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r566f11c487b6 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): WIP |
| 17:06.24 | alphaone | damn that |
| 17:06.31 | Zorkman | dbmoodb: I thought touchscreen calibration already worked in debian |
| 17:06.57 | dbmoodb | Zorkman: no for the gta02 |
| 17:07.08 | dbmoodb | not* |
| 17:07.32 | wyze | i had to manually set my pointercal |
| 17:07.44 | wyze | its stilla bit off |
| 17:07.45 | dbmoodb | wyze: care to post the settings ? |
| 17:07.53 | dbmoodb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 17:07.54 | wyze | 1 sec.. |
| 17:07.56 | Zorkman | thanks for clarifying that dbmoodb |
| 17:08.03 | dbmoodb | its fairly clear on the wiki |
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| 17:09.01 | dbmoodb | wyze: your using a gta02 right -- can you use the stylus to login with your adjusted pointercal --- and are you on lenny or sid |
| 17:09.17 | wyze | gta02 / sid |
| 17:09.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r839660b3723c 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:09.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "WIP" |
| 17:09.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 566f11c487b6ae43edfdb3edc60a92d5bfb17f7e. |
| 17:09.32 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Guess why :-) |
| 17:09.33 | wyze | yes i can use the stylus also |
| 17:09.40 | wyze | -67 38667 -4954632 -51172 121 46965312 65536 |
| 17:09.41 | dbmoodb | so you can login ? (gdm) |
| 17:09.44 | wyze | ^^ ymmv |
| 17:09.51 | wyze | yes i can login with gdm |
| 17:09.51 | dbmoodb | thank you |
| 17:09.58 | wyze | i use icewm also |
| 17:10.00 | dbmoodb | /etc/pointercal -- any other packages you might need ? |
| 17:10.11 | dbmoodb | --- wyze i'm using blackbox its rather small |
| 17:10.41 | wyze | no if u follow the wiki, all u need to do is set that pointercal configuration and restart x |
| 17:10.52 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 17:11.07 | dbmoodb | wyze: its rather fast :) |
| 17:11.20 | dbmoodb | can i message you instead of spamming this room up ? |
| 17:11.22 | wyze | yep |
| 17:11.30 | wyze | sure |
| 17:13.02 | kd8ikt | spam is more like "PENIS ELLARGEMENT PILLS! 4SALE only 15 easy payments of 29.95" |
| 17:13.28 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: well its still rude |
| 17:13.54 | kd8ikt | flodding? or penis pills? |
| 17:14.12 | ieatlint | kd8ikt, got a link? |
| 17:14.17 | kd8ikt | heh |
| 17:14.17 | baird | (ASU) gst-launch filesrc location=/usr/share/sounds/Arkanoid_PSID.sid \! siddec \! alsasink |
| 17:14.19 | kd8ikt | mornin |
| 17:14.22 | ieatlint | morning |
| 17:14.43 | kd8ikt | i've been thinking a lot about adhoc networking |
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| 17:14.54 | ieatlint | i hooked up an accelerometer to gnuplot (on my computer, feeding the info with netcat)... got a fun graph |
| 17:15.10 | ieatlint | plotted the 3 points and followed it with a 10 second history |
| 17:15.24 | kd8ikt | cool |
| 17:15.36 | Zorkman | morning/evening |
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| 17:15.53 | kd8ikt | got any screendumps of it? |
| 17:16.25 | ieatlint | no, i didn't make any |
| 17:16.29 | kd8ikt | reading about adhoc mesh stuff |
| 17:16.37 | ieatlint | have to go in a minute too |
| 17:16.52 | kd8ikt | aight i guess i'll catch you later then |
| 17:17.07 | kd8ikt | i'll keep hacking around with meshing |
| 17:17.09 | ieatlint | have to go in a minute too |
| 17:17.12 | ieatlint | err, damnit |
| 17:17.22 | kd8ikt | just installed fso on sd card |
| 17:17.33 | dbmoodb | kd8ikt: can we setup ad-hoc wifi on the stock wifi card on the freerunner ? |
| 17:17.40 | kd8ikt | i think so |
| 17:17.50 | ieatlint | ok, cya later |
| 17:17.56 | kd8ikt | iwconfig eth0 mode adhoc should do it |
| 17:17.59 | dbmoodb | gtries it now |
| 17:18.02 | ieatlint | yeah, it supports adhoc |
| 17:18.10 | ieatlint | supprts everything but acting as an AP |
| 17:18.17 | dbmoodb | damn |
| 17:18.18 | kd8ikt | next need like olsrd for meshing stuff |
| 17:18.23 | ieatlint | (and maybe packet dumping or a permiscuous mode) |
| 17:18.30 | dbmoodb | do we have monitor mode ? |
| 17:18.35 | SpeedEvil | Mathiasdm: no |
| 17:18.41 | SpeedEvil | dbm: |
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| 17:22.07 | ajbrun | can someone point me towards the latest asu image please? |
| 17:22.16 | ajbrun | whatever i just downloaded doesn't look like this: |
| 17:22.17 | ajbrun | http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Photo-Tour-of-the-ASU.html |
| 17:24.38 | TAsn | do koolu have phones? |
| 17:24.42 | kd8ikt | http://downloads.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:24.56 | ajbrun | thanks a lot :) |
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| 17:25.14 | kd8ikt | shold probably grab fso |
| 17:25.17 | TAsn | because they mark out of stock with *** and it's not marked with ***, though if that's right they claim to have 600+- euro version |
| 17:25.23 | TAsn | which doesn't sound right. |
| 17:25.44 | stevenS1 | TAsn: They did a week ago, I don't know about now |
| 17:25.51 | TAsn | 900's? |
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| 17:26.19 | stevenS1 | stevenS1: I bought a 850 from them, I don't know about 900's |
| 17:26.46 | Jokernatha1 | hi everybody |
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| 17:27.12 | dbmoodb | it says skype and things on it -- how does that work ? |
| 17:27.29 | TAsn | stevenS1, i c, thanks. |
| 17:28.05 | stevenS1 | dbmoodb: Read the phone print "A skype-like voip application when it becomes available". The phone shipped with the same 2007.2 software as everyone else |
| 17:28.05 | TAsn | stevenS1, it's safe to say that they will notice me if they don't have any phones, right? |
| 17:28.12 | dbmoodb | stevenS1: ah |
| 17:29.07 | Jokernatha1 | I just received my freerunner last week and I would like to flash but before I would like to know if there is a mean to save messages and contacts ? |
| 17:29.35 | stevenS1 | tasn: I'm not sure what you mean by 'notice'. |
| 17:30.10 | TAsn | stevenS1, a big red banner which says out of stock you are currently back ordering :) |
| 17:31.16 | stevenS1 | Tasn: I would count on them putting that up. They already have the "might take 6-8 weeks' to ship warning |
| 17:31.30 | TAsn | really? where? |
| 17:31.37 | tkep | back :) |
| 17:32.22 | stevenS1 | Tasn: If you click on the 900 version from the store it brings up a page with a big red "Due to demand this version of the phone might take 6-8 weeks to ship" |
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| 17:33.01 | kd8ikt | http://open80211s.org/ <-- tell me that isnt a great idea |
| 17:33.15 | TAsn | stevenS1, thanks, didn't see that since i just added that to cart, didn't bother to read about the moko ;) |
| 17:33.39 | stevenS1 | tasn: The 850 one used to say "2-3 weeks" but they changed that to 3-5 days(which is about what it took them to ship mine) |
| 17:33.46 | tkep | i like being able to flash this thing quickly to different operating systems. as in, not needing to "install" an os |
| 17:33.51 | tkep | that part is quick :) |
| 17:33.59 | TAsn | tkep, :) |
| 17:34.08 | TAsn | booting is slow though, isnt it? |
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| 17:34.20 | TAsn | stevenS1, i c, well i will have to wait then :( |
| 17:35.15 | Mathiasdm | <SpeedEvil> Mathiasdm: no |
| 17:35.17 | Mathiasdm | heh? |
| 17:35.26 | tkep | TAsn, hell yes it's slow, but honestly, when it gets stable, how often do people boot their phone and need it that second? |
| 17:35.30 | tkep | i can accept that :) |
| 17:35.40 | Mathiasdm | ah, it was towards someone else, I see :) |
| 17:36.25 | TAsn | tkep, what happens if you drop you phone and the battery disconnects and then you want to boot fast because someone is chasing you with a pickaxe? ;0 |
| 17:36.35 | mwester | The boot-up hasn't been optimized in the least; it's still the standard full-linux-desktop type of boot process -- with a very slow jffs2 filesystem and a slow processor! It will be greatly improved once the software stabilizes. |
| 17:36.43 | tkep | damn, my thought was foiled again! |
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| 17:36.45 | tkep | haha |
| 17:37.02 | mwester | TAsn: That's what the hole is for -- tie a lanyard to it, then use the freerunner as a bolo. |
| 17:37.24 | TAsn | mwester, :) |
| 17:37.30 | tkep | yes! |
| 17:37.31 | doc|home | how the fuck do you *save* a new contact in qtopia |
| 17:37.45 | tkep | doc|home, dunno, i am flashing to qtopia as we speak |
| 17:37.49 | Jokernatha1 | does anyone know where the messages are , on the default openmoko image ? |
| 17:37.50 | tkep | i'll let you know if i figure it out :) |
| 17:37.58 | doc|home | sobs |
| 17:38.46 | doc|home | anyone? |
| 17:38.46 | tkep | does qtopia still use opkg? (i assume it doesn't) |
| 17:40.02 | mwester | qtopia uses something called a qpkg IIRC. I don't think there are any feeds yet. |
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| 17:40.13 | tkep | thanks mwester |
| 17:40.48 | mwester | qtopia is a bit of an odd image; basically it is what it is and there is little support for adding other applications that are not part of the qtopia suite. |
| 17:41.23 | Jokernatha1 | does anyone as test milestone 2 ? |
| 17:44.22 | cjb | Jokernatha1: yes, running it now |
| 17:45.31 | Jokernatha1 | cjb : when you flash your neo did you loose the old messages ? |
| 17:47.07 | cjb | Jokernatha1: yes |
| 17:47.13 | cjb | you're erasing the filesystem |
| 17:47.18 | pjz | Jokernatha1: what messages? |
| 17:47.27 | cjb | oh. unless you mean SMS's stored on the SIM. |
| 17:48.40 | cjb | I do seem to have lost mine although I think maybe the SMS app for Zhone just isn't working yet |
| 17:49.43 | Jokernatha1 | in fact last time i put my SIM in the neo it vampirized some SMS (they are no more on the sim but on the neo) |
| 17:50.28 | Jokernatha1 | that's why i wanted to know where they are in order to save them before flashing the neo |
| 17:50.47 | cjb | I think they're on the SIM. |
| 17:51.48 | Jokernatha1 | some are no more on the SIM they where (I don't know how and why) transfered on the phone |
| 17:51.59 | cjb | ah |
| 17:52.04 | cjb | dunno |
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| 17:52.07 | Jokernatha1 | best proof is that i can read them with my sim out of the phone ^^ |
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| 17:54.17 | Jokernatha1 | but actually my main problem is that when I connect my phone to my pc i can't ping it :-( |
| 17:54.34 | Jokernatha1 | does anyone had problems with this ? |
| 17:55.56 | pjz | Jokernatha1: see the wiki page on USB_Networking |
| 17:56.53 | Jokernatha1 | I followed the entire tutorial and it worked perfectly yesterday but today ... :( |
| 17:57.30 | Zorkman | Jokernatha1: did you upgrade? |
| 17:57.52 | tim_abell | "opkg install matchbox-keyboard" gives me "An error ocurred, return value: 2." anyone know what this means? |
| 17:58.07 | Jokernatha1 | not yet due to my SMS problem :$ |
| 17:58.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r210311adea7b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia to get some bugfixes and semi experimental changes |
| 17:58.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7727d4b4cd98 10/packages/openmoko-projects/illume-theme_svn.bb: [illume] Allow people to easily replace the illume edje files |
| 17:58.17 | aggtrfrad | has anyone messed with the usb host+powered mode on the freerubber? |
| 17:58.28 | aggtrfrad | runner |
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| 17:58.41 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: i am planning to |
| 17:58.44 | Zorkman | or did a recent flash of u-boot? because current u-boot breaks the usb connetion sometimes; best to shutdown, unplug cable, and reboot, after reboot plug cable back in |
| 17:58.51 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: i am thinking about building a special cable for it |
| 17:58.59 | lindi- | aggtrfrad: so that i can charge while using it as usb host |
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| 18:09.12 | lambda | Tick Chen , ping ? |
| 18:11.00 | tkep | booting for the first time to qtopia |
| 18:11.06 | tkep | wish me luck! |
| 18:11.46 | tkep | hey, it's not as ugly as the screenshots would have you believe |
| 18:12.54 | tkep | whoa! qtopia kicks ass |
| 18:12.55 | tkep | haha |
| 18:13.11 | baird | ASU has SIDtune ringtones... Just how Epic is that? :) |
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| 18:14.56 | Rigolo | tkep: and? how is the responsiveness? |
| 18:17.00 | tkep | sorry, playing around with it |
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| 18:17.17 | Rigolo | well .. that is a good thing (tm) :-) |
| 18:17.19 | tkep | Rigolo, it appears video acceleration is non-existent |
| 18:17.24 | tkep | or the driver is just very poor |
| 18:17.29 | tkep | but other than that, it is quick |
| 18:17.32 | cjb | ASU uses xfbdev |
| 18:17.35 | tkep | scrolling can be weak |
| 18:17.39 | cjb | so it isn't using acceleration at all |
| 18:17.52 | tkep | yeah, well, this is stock qtopia, so probably just as bad |
| 18:18.03 | tkep | but it appears the os wants to run assuming acceleration |
| 18:18.13 | tkep | fade ins and outs of tooltips |
| 18:18.18 | tkep | they take 5 seconds or so |
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| 18:23.18 | tkep | so, i take it ASU is trying to take qtopia and really tailor it to the the freerunner? |
| 18:23.53 | tkep | because qtopia is badass. i really think it is not far from being ready for full usage |
| 18:25.38 | tkep | be back later |
| 18:27.41 | lambda | when i build it with mokomake file i have the current issue: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6d3df4c3 |
| 18:28.36 | cesarb | mwester: I see you read my emails to openmoko-kernel ;-) |
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| 18:28.46 | lambda | something wrong witth pk-backend-opkg.c in packageedit sources |
| 18:29.32 | lambda | packagekit i mean |
| 18:29.52 | mwester | cesarb: Of course! |
| 18:29.55 | cesarb | mwester: they probably still have the sources and can recompile them, but they failed last time they tried (which is why we are using OABI hacks) and it's low priority enough that they sort of left it for later (or perhaps got fed with it and gave up) |
| 18:30.49 | cesarb | mwester: changing to a less problematic chip on GTA02 was a great idea (it also gave them more free time to play with a different problematic chip this time...) |
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| 18:31.15 | mwester | And even the existing package is very poorly done (others have documented approaches to the abi issue that are slimmer and neater), but the community cannot really fix it because of the licensing issues around redistributing a fixed and binary-edited pacakge. :( |
| 18:31.49 | mwester | So my intent with the email was to put the problem back in OM's lap as a gllin package issue, and not a kernel issue. |
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| 18:32.11 | mwester | I rather expect it will be easier to incorporate your kernel patches, at least for the community, though. |
| 18:32.23 | cesarb | mwester: the only way for us is similar to what scaredycat has done with his auto-gllin-install stuff: create a package which, given the original ipk, tears it apart and make a new and better one |
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| 18:33.17 | cesarb | mwester: after all, the only thing that's really needed is gllin.real, the rest can be changed completely |
| 18:33.38 | cesarb | thinks of trying schwartz to free 5 megabytes of flash |
| 18:34.09 | mwester | That's an idea. But I'd like to make OM consider fixing it for us, at least. I suppose another approach would be to provide OM with a script that tears apart the existing package, does the binary editing and other changes, and reassembles an updated version of that package -- that can't take too much of anyone's time, and would get a fixed package available to all. |
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| 18:35.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * rc7994820c491 10/board/neo1973/ (common/udc.c gta02/gta02.c): fix-broken-usb-handed-to-linux.patch |
| 18:35.15 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r8e307f5847af 10/ (common/cmd_bootm.c drivers/usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-kill-endpoints-before-linux.patch |
| 18:35.16 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * re8be8149e66a 10/drivers/ (serial/usbtty.c usb/usbdcore.c usb/usbdcore_s3c2410.c): fix-stop-sitting-printing-in-time-critical-context.patch |
| 18:35.17 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * raa9b0ea7a1c9 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: fix-dont-do-i2c-with-irqs-off.patch |
| 18:38.40 | cesarb | mwester: good idea, though with the "here's-the-binary-now-I-wash-my-hands" way they released it, I'm not sure they won't be like "I do not want to touch it ever again" |
| 18:38.54 | mmontour | mwester: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/53028.html (gllin hack) |
| 18:39.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc007c022efaa 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:39.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Unify configuration nodes to use the same name we are using for logging, i.e. [subsystem.module]. |
| 18:39.05 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Needs to be done for other subsystems that use individual modules as well |
| 18:39.56 | mmontour | If anyone does put together an updated package, the wrapper script needs some updates too (e.g. get rid of /tmp/nmeaNP, use the pty or udp mode instead) |
| 18:41.33 | SpeedEvil | and add an option to log in /media/card/logs/secondssince1970.gps.gz or soemthign |
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| 18:46.57 | tkep | ummmm...how do you restart X in qtopia |
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| 18:50.12 | El_Senator | tkep: i thought QTopia didn't use X |
| 18:50.29 | tkep | what would it use? |
| 18:50.42 | tkep | is unaware of anything else |
| 18:50.44 | tkep | :( |
| 18:50.51 | tkep | and init 6 did it haha |
| 18:51.00 | tkep | but it'd be nice to have just killed X |
| 18:51.33 | El_Senator | i thought it used some in-house developed scheme |
| 18:51.40 | El_Senator | but i don't know much about it |
| 18:52.05 | El_Senator | i just thought i'd read it somewhere, but i guess not - doesn't make much sense anyway |
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| 18:56.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re1082e3f3e06 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE |
| 18:56.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r920ec743fa31 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE |
| 18:56.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * re8b579410efe 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62 |
| 18:56.54 | Kero | ASU runs qtopia on X, I believe, so you can run other X applications, too; thought qtopia normally does run on its own graphical environment. |
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| 18:58.57 | El_Senator | Kero: ok, thanks for clearing it up |
| 18:58.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra214bf1f409e 10/framework/ (config.py controller.py subsystem.py): |
| 18:58.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * check configuration file format version |
| 18:58.57 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * allow both disabling a whole subsystem as well as just one module (per config) |
| 18:59.01 | tkep | no worries |
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| 19:03.23 | Wonka | cd ..../Maps/OSM/ |
| 19:03.26 | Wonka | ln -s . tile.openstreetmap.org |
| 19:03.28 | Wonka | find . -type f | sed -e s,^\\.,http://tile.openstreetmap.org, | wget -Nxi - |
| 19:03.40 | Wonka | <- updating tangoGPS map tiles |
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| 19:05.31 | teprrr | that updates already available files? |
| 19:06.19 | SpeedEvil | Maps change over time. |
| 19:06.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:06.31 | SpeedEvil | Please don't do it too often. |
| 19:07.33 | SpeedEvil | http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/tile.openstreetmap.html |
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| 19:11.04 | kd8ikt | dang |
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| 19:11.19 | kd8ikt | dude mesh networking is easier said then done |
| 19:14.29 | Wonka | iff tile.openstreetmap.org would send last-modified-at headers (or however they're named), it would cause less load... |
| 19:14.29 | Kero | parallel builds (from mokomakefile) with multiple wgets look funny |
| 19:14.40 | Wonka | at the moment, -N is useless |
| 19:20.47 | lpotter | tkep: hold the power button, a screen will appear with options to restart qtopia, power down, etc. |
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| 19:21.39 | tkep | lpotter, thanks |
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| 19:44.57 | cga | hi all |
| 19:45.03 | Zilla | Hi all.... |
| 19:45.10 | cga | i finally have my FR !! |
| 19:45.30 | cga | but i have a problem. i can't opkg update for some errors. |
| 19:45.31 | Zilla | gratulations:) |
| 19:45.36 | cga | thanks =) |
| 19:45.49 | Zilla | do you like it? |
| 19:45.54 | cga | a lot |
| 19:46.00 | Zilla | im looking for a new phone :| |
| 19:46.04 | Tig| | cga: woot :) you will have the joy, then the bafflement then the oops the feeds are down at the moment stuff yet to come :) |
| 19:46.20 | cga | the only thing i don't like is that it comes with really bare bones config |
| 19:46.26 | cjb | cga: the errors are okay, if they're the signature check thing |
| 19:46.35 | cga | cjb, they are =) |
| 19:46.52 | cga | but it can't install the matchbox kbd |
| 19:47.06 | cga | i guess is for repo sig or something |
| 19:48.16 | cga | i want to install software!!! XD |
| 19:48.31 | cga | tomorrow i have to show off my FR at work |
| 19:48.33 | cga | :P |
| 19:48.39 | lindi- | is installing debian unstable chroot |
| 19:49.00 | cga | and i want it to be "complete enough" |
| 19:49.08 | Zilla | cga, do you have the famous gps-problem? |
| 19:49.19 | cga | haven't tried gps yet |
| 19:49.26 | Zilla | right |
| 19:49.40 | cga | i'm just trying to install sw atm |
| 19:50.11 | Zilla | ok |
| 19:51.01 | cga | cjb, can you help me??? i don't understand why i can't install sw |
| 19:51.10 | cga | is it for the repos are down? |
| 19:51.20 | lindi- | cga: most probably |
| 19:51.35 | lindi- | if you can wget http://www.google.com/ |
| 19:51.40 | cga | ps: i wait for ASU anyway to flash the fr |
| 19:51.45 | Tig| | cga: if you are trying to install stuff via the repos, the other day the repos had an issue and the feeds are down |
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| 19:51.52 | cga | oh thanks |
| 19:52.12 | Zilla | does someone knows when the next hardware revision of the openmoko will be announced? |
| 19:52.16 | cga | well i guess i'll just explore the filesystem and change few config then |
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| 19:53.03 | cga | oh... btw: is it possible to install BASH and Vim and use them as $SHELL and $EDITOR ? |
| 19:53.51 | lindi- | cga: why do you think it would not be possible? ;) |
| 19:54.05 | cga | lindi-, i was just worndering =) |
| 19:54.11 | cjb | cga: sure |
| 19:54.15 | cga | (or wandering?) |
| 19:54.33 | cga | i like it! free your phone! |
| 19:54.54 | cga | man i'm so excited to have a REAL SMARTPHONE |
| 19:54.59 | Tig| | cga: this explains the 3 main stacks available atm :) http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 19:55.11 | cga | Tig|, i red that in july |
| 19:55.13 | cga | thanks |
| 19:55.21 | cga | i saw also the wiki entry |
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| 19:56.24 | Tig| | cga : the biggist thing for me is that a major black box I have to use has been opened :) |
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| 19:57.27 | cga | Tig|, which is? |
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| 20:06.06 | rooly | how's the repo's doing? |
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| 20:10.19 | cjb | how can I turn off the GPS in FSO? |
| 20:11.11 | alphaone | just quit tangogps or the nav screen |
| 20:11.23 | alphaone | when the S is lower case it's off |
| 20:11.44 | cjb | great, that works |
| 20:15.56 | rooly | so...i'm missing gpsdrive... |
| 20:16.08 | rooly | and tangogps is not good for me, since it deletes it's maps every time |
| 20:18.24 | Zorkman | rooly: change the directory where tangogps stores it maps (don't use /tmp/*) you can also use navit |
| 20:18.31 | rooly | navit |
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| 20:18.33 | rooly | good to know |
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| 20:25.15 | tc | does anyone know where the latest ASU images are? |
| 20:25.30 | teprrr | tangogps works just fine for me |
| 20:25.43 | teprrr | it stores its cache to /media/card/osm/cache in my neo.. |
| 20:25.50 | teprrr | and doesn't delete them afaik |
| 20:26.08 | rooly | i had changed something in my tangogps, and it just decided to stop working |
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| 20:30.40 | almien | tangogps messes-up display of tracklogs when it doesn't have map tiles available |
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| 20:32.22 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | Hello |
| 20:32.23 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | :s |
| 20:32.26 | Soul-Dier | hi |
| 20:32.27 | Soul-Dier | *_* |
| 20:32.33 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | °_° |
| 20:32.34 | Soul-Dier | auz |
| 20:32.35 | Soul-Dier | x |
| 20:32.35 | Soul-Dier | D |
| 20:32.37 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | Soul-Dier |
| 20:32.39 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | hola |
| 20:32.42 | Soul-Dier | hola |
| 20:32.43 | Soul-Dier | 13:0) |
| 20:32.45 | Soul-Dier | 13x0D |
| 20:32.58 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | tu es espanol? °_° |
| 20:33.07 | Soul-Dier | si °_° |
| 20:33.18 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | aqui no creo que se puede hablar espanol |
| 20:33.19 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | 11:7D |
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| 20:33.25 | Soul-Dier | LOL |
| 20:33.33 | Soul-Dier | XD |
| 20:33.37 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | todos muertos |
| 20:33.38 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | ahaahah |
| 20:33.40 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | aajajaja |
| 20:33.45 | Soul-Dier | ajajajajaja |
| 20:34.13 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | angles? 11x7D |
| 20:34.14 | lindi- | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^: please don't use mIRC colors |
| 20:34.14 | Pjj | do they really talk like that in spain? ajajaahahaaajjaj? |
| 20:34.22 | Soul-Dier | °_° |
| 20:34.29 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | °_° |
| 20:34.36 | Soul-Dier | ? |
| 20:34.37 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | como? |
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| 20:35.24 | Soul-Dier | °_° |
| 20:35.38 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | bah |
| 20:35.38 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | :s |
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| 20:36.04 | Zilla | are here any dutch people or people understand dutch? |
| 20:36.26 | Zorkman | i speak dutch |
| 20:36.42 | danw | I know a few words |
| 20:36.44 | danw | Ik ben gek |
| 20:36.47 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | °_° |
| 20:36.52 | Kero | sure, I'm Dutch |
| 20:36.54 | Soul-Dier | :s |
| 20:36.57 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | oddeo |
| 20:36.57 | ^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^ | xD |
| 20:36.59 | Zilla | haha:D |
| 20:37.02 | Soul-Dier | ajajaajjaj |
| 20:37.08 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:37.08 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ |
| 20:37.08 | Zilla | Hi zorkman... |
| 20:37.10 | *** mode/#openmoko [+m] by Ganneff |
| 20:37.25 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b *!*=TheVoice@*.fastres.net] by Ganneff |
| 20:37.25 | *** kick/#openmoko [^XxLaDyAnGeLxX^!i=joerg@freenode/staff/debian.joerg] by Ganneff (Ganneff) |
| 20:37.31 | *** mode/#openmoko [-m] by Ganneff |
| 20:37.31 | Zorkman | hello Zilla, can I help you with something (note: i'm a noob :)) |
| 20:37.46 | Zilla | lol |
| 20:37.56 | Zilla | nope... |
| 20:38.03 | Soul-Dier | part 13S0p13U0u13U0u13T *_* |
| 20:38.03 | *** part/#openmoko Soul-Dier (n=iMeoN@217.202.70.2) |
| 20:38.08 | Zorkman | :) |
| 20:40.05 | *** mode/#openmoko [-b *!*=TheVoice@*.fastres.net] by Ganneff |
| 20:40.09 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 20:40.27 | rooly | anyone know why tangogps both refuses to store custom repo's or custom cache directory settings? |
| 20:43.11 | henkie_ | anybody who knows if pulster has a status page or something? |
| 20:43.22 | henkie_ | (= webshop) |
| 20:43.33 | Zilla | henkie_, are you dutch? |
| 20:43.45 | henkie_ | Zilla, yes |
| 20:43.49 | Zilla | and for your question, i dont know :) |
| 20:43.55 | *** part/#openmoko El_Senator (n=El_Senat@0x4dd4371c.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 20:43.58 | Zilla | when did you ordered one? |
| 20:44.39 | Kero | Zilla: are you dutch? |
| 20:44.47 | henkie_ | dont know exactly, a couple of weeks ago, but they were to receive new phones on the 25th |
| 20:44.49 | Zilla | yes |
| 20:45.05 | Kero | must be more .nl give-aways... |
| 20:45.08 | Zilla | inderdaad,,,, dr zitten hier veel nederlanders schijnbaar :) |
| 20:45.50 | Kero | ayaaiayhahaiaja ;) |
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| 20:46.51 | |FiLiP| | henkie_: from pulster.de : First batch of units 07/25/2008 (25.July) is sold out. You can make a order now to be sure to get a freerunner with our next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August). |
| 20:47.16 | rooly | actually, i think i see why it's not storing my customizations |
| 20:47.27 | rooly | it's using gconf, which keeps getting dbus erros |
| 20:47.30 | rooly | *errors |
| 20:47.40 | henkie_ | |FiLiP|, yes i know, but i believe i was on time for that batch (of the 25th). |
| 20:48.02 | henkie_ | ah well, i will sent email i guess :) |
| 20:48.03 | cga | how can i turn on and set it permanently a ringtone in the om-gta02? |
| 20:48.20 | rooly | holy shit |
| 20:48.26 | rooly | i'm the only person in louisiana to have this phone |
| 20:48.28 | |FiLiP| | why don't you just sent an email to christoph at pulster.de ? |
| 20:48.43 | Zorkman | anyone can find agpsui?? it's no linger on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ and opkg can't find it |
| 20:48.58 | Zorkman | linger=longer |
| 20:53.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * rc017d3b09596 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemphonebook.cpp: [phonebook] AT+CPBR=? might fail on modem init, force a retry |
| 20:53.01 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke * r84733d7f9719 10/src/libraries/qtopiaphonemodem/qmodemservice.cpp: [modem] AT+COPS=3,0 might fail on init, increase the retryChat count.. |
| 20:53.40 | cga | anyone please? |
| 20:54.12 | Zorkman | cga: look in /media/mmcblk0p2 |
| 20:54.17 | Zorkman | sorry wrong copypaste |
| 20:54.27 | cga | how can i turn on a ringtone and set it permanently in the om-gta02? as the default image it doesn't ring. it just vibrate |
| 20:54.32 | Zorkman | look in /etc/pulse/session |
| 20:54.35 | cga | oh thanks |
| 20:54.37 | Zilla | is there a way to flash your neo from windows without using linux (emulated or not) |
| 20:54.46 | Zilla | maybe a noob question...:P |
| 20:54.50 | Zorkman | jup there is Zilla, it's documented in the wiki |
| 20:55.02 | cga | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 20:55.03 | rooly | hmm |
| 20:55.06 | Zilla | oke |
| 20:55.15 | rooly | anyone know where tangogps store's it's gconf data? |
| 20:55.28 | Zilla | but i tought that you needed a linux environment to flash it.... (using vmware ) |
| 20:55.43 | rooly | it helps, Zilla, for sure |
| 20:55.50 | Zorkman | there is a port of dfu-util, but i don't know if it is stable |
| 20:55.55 | Kero | looks like on a fresh mokomakefile, I needed a second run of `make fso-image` to get perl 5.8.8 compiling. funky. |
| 20:56.14 | Zorkman | Zilla: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/dfu-util-win32/ |
| 20:56.15 | Zilla | i use windows still as my main os... |
| 20:56.31 | Zilla | tnx zorkman... |
| 20:56.47 | Zorkman | np |
| 20:58.11 | cga | Zorkman, well the session file is interesting but i don't understand how to turn on the ring tone (the default is fine for now) |
| 20:58.28 | p0seid0n | hi ho. anybody got experience with dbus?? I try to mirrot the system dbus of my moko to my desktop. is this possible ?? |
| 21:01.43 | Zorkman | cga: sorry can't help you with that one |
| 21:02.28 | cga | Zorkman, thanks anyway |
| 21:03.01 | p0seid0n | cause i coded a nice online graphs for the accelerometers. they look better on the dekstop |
| 21:04.08 | Wonka | i'd like some gpsd or gypsy plugin to do AssistNow Online stuff... |
| 21:06.04 | lindi- | got "mplayer http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/" run in debian unstable chroot on freerunner <3 |
| 21:06.19 | rooly | are there any other media players? |
| 21:06.32 | Zilla | nice lindi- |
| 21:06.32 | lindi- | 65% cpu usage |
| 21:06.57 | lindi- | it took only like 10 minutes, no need to setup any cross building environments :) |
| 21:07.31 | Zilla | but the debian side has to be arm compiled? |
| 21:07.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r78a6d1fce1e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade Qtopia for various changes to SIM/modem handling |
| 21:08.04 | lindi- | Zilla: 1) sudo debootstrap --arch armel --foreign sid sid-arm |
| 21:08.19 | lindi- | Zilla: 2) sudo tar cjf sid-arm.tar.bz2 sid-arm |
| 21:08.33 | Zilla | oke.... so its arm-compiled debian :) |
| 21:09.22 | lindi- | Zilla: then unpack that on freerunner, add bind mounts for /proc /tmp /dev, chroot and /debootstrap/deboostrap --second-stage |
| 21:10.22 | lindi- | Zilla: yep, but debian builds the binaries for me :) |
| 21:10.43 | lindi- | any idea why cpu consumption is so high? |
| 21:11.10 | Zilla | oke... |
| 21:11.16 | Zilla | i dont have an FR... |
| 21:11.17 | Zilla | :P |
| 21:11.25 | lindi- | Zilla: this probably works on gta01 too |
| 21:12.01 | Zilla | i dont have any openmoko HW |
| 21:12.03 | Zilla | ;) |
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| 21:12.08 | lindi- | oh :( |
| 21:12.37 | Zilla | just interesting in the project ;) |
| 21:13.48 | lindi- | strace shows mplayer is doing basically three things: gettimeofday({1217807897, 408946}, NULL) = 0 ioctl(6, 0x400c4150, 0xbeebbb54) = 0 ioctl(6, 0xc0844123, 0x438d08) = 0 |
| 21:13.55 | lindi- | any idea where to lookup those alsa ioctls? |
| 21:14.13 | Zilla | btw why dont you run mplayer natively on the FR? |
| 21:14.21 | Zilla | without the chroot thing |
| 21:14.27 | cjb | lindi-: it shows strace is making three *system calls*. it's possible to do plenty of things without involving system calls, as is no doubt the case here. |
| 21:14.33 | cjb | lindi-: you might try ltrace instead. |
| 21:14.35 | cjb | s/strace/mplayer/ |
| 21:15.10 | lindi- | cjb: yeah sure |
| 21:15.18 | lindi- | Zilla: natively? |
| 21:15.29 | lindi- | Zilla: opkg list does not list mplayer at the moment |
| 21:15.29 | Zilla | on the standard os.... |
| 21:15.32 | cjb | (better yet, oprofile or sysprof.) |
| 21:15.33 | Zilla | ah |
| 21:15.40 | lindi- | Zilla: didn't list it in friday either |
| 21:15.45 | Zilla | i get it ;) |
| 21:15.53 | lindi- | cjb: probably |
| 21:15.57 | lindi- | cjb: i'll try video next :) |
| 21:16.31 | linuxxr | a guy came through arkansas with 1 |
| 21:16.53 | lindi- | cjb: "DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/video/84562026_38835b5b88_orig.ogv" plays. 56% mplayer, 13% Xglamo |
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| 21:18.50 | lindi- | it's not very smooth though, the audio seems to skip a lot |
| 21:19.19 | Zorkman | maybe if you put the video on the internal ram first? |
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| 21:20.41 | rooly | what's the status on other browsers |
| 21:20.41 | Zorkman | lindi, i get: |
| 21:20.48 | rooly | has the opera browser been ported yet? |
| 21:20.50 | Zorkman | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 21:20.56 | lindi- | rooly: opera is proprietary software |
| 21:20.58 | Zorkman | then i get sound, but no video... |
| 21:21.09 | lindi- | Zorkman: how did you obtain mplayer? |
| 21:21.15 | leinir | rooly: Ask Opera Software - there are no sources available, so they will have to do that :) |
| 21:21.15 | Zorkman | Ogg stream 0 is of an unknown type |
| 21:21.16 | Zorkman | Ogg stream 1 is of an unknown type |
| 21:21.30 | Zorkman | lindi-: opkg install mplayer (it's in the rabenfrost feed) |
| 21:21.46 | lindi- | Zorkman: yeah that probably doesn't support ogg theora :( |
| 21:22.27 | rooly | leinir, i figure that |
| 21:22.53 | lindi- | Zorkman: copying to /tmp does not seem to help much |
| 21:22.53 | leinir | rooly: So, i short - there are no news that anyone outside of Opera knows about :) |
| 21:22.55 | rooly | i'm wondering if there's a different browser for the OM |
| 21:23.06 | rooly | because the included one sucks in om2007.2 |
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| 21:24.13 | ceda | rooly: minimo works better for me |
| 21:25.01 | Zorkman | the standard media player in the 2007.2 image won't start here |
| 21:29.58 | lindi- | http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt should have all steps in case somebody is interested |
| 21:30.32 | Zilla | ah |
| 21:30.43 | Zorkman | streaming an mp3 from the net only uses 6% cpu thought it would be worse.. |
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| 21:31.50 | lindi- | Zorkman: with your mplayer? |
| 21:31.56 | Zorkman | jup |
| 21:31.59 | lindi- | Zorkman: interesting |
| 21:32.08 | Zorkman | DISPLAY=:0 mplayer -quiet http://mp3.streampower.be/stu |
| 21:32.08 | Zorkman | bru-mid.mp3 |
| 21:32.33 | Zorkman | the speakers are a bit weak though.. will test headphones later |
| 21:32.50 | lindi- | 10% here |
| 21:33.01 | lindi- | Zorkman: maybe slayradio has something special that takes more to decode? |
| 21:33.12 | lindi- | Zorkman: can y ou try http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/? |
| 21:33.41 | Zorkman | sure |
| 21:34.22 | Zorkman | 43.8% :( |
| 21:34.37 | lindi- | interesting |
| 21:35.40 | cjb | What's a good workflow for taking a just-built bitbake package (xserver-glamo), making changes to source files, and getting a new .bb out? |
| 21:36.21 | lindi- | cjb: good question |
| 21:36.42 | Zorkman | lindi: i use headphone and now it uses 26% |
| 21:37.03 | Zorkman | (without headphones also 25.5...) |
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| 21:37.23 | Zorkman | strange, don't know why it used that much the first time... maybe it pre-caches or something? |
| 21:37.34 | ecraven | cjb: you're working on Xglamo? |
| 21:37.49 | lindi- | Zorkman: could be |
| 21:37.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7e42e9df5347 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 21:37.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Bump timeout to 7 seconds when sending PIN |
| 21:37.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: It seems like some SIMs are quite slow to acknowledge the PIN so some |
| 21:37.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: time out with the default value of 5 seconds. |
| 21:37.51 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4014cf6316ca 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: |
| 21:37.56 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make the low level parser quote aware (torindel@gmail.com) |
| 21:37.58 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This addresses bug #62 |
| 21:38.43 | Zorkman | everytime i unlug the headphones and plug them back in the volume jumps back to 100 in alsamixer, any way to prevent this? |
| 21:39.06 | ecraven | cjb: ad bug 1244: i'm rather sure that *one* problem is that the input is not rotated correctly. there are also others, related to xrandr (after rotation, font sizes are all wrong), but that's the one that makes things unusable |
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| 21:39.31 | ecraven | the viewport is rotated correctly |
| 21:39.41 | ecraven | not sure about virtual screen size, but i think it's correct |
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| 21:40.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | wtfs at his FR. it wont let me ssh in anymore :( |
| 21:40.55 | alphaone | also after you're in landscape mode the software wont recognize you switching to portrait mode again |
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| 21:42.50 | sphery | Anyone get WPA working with CCMP (vs TKIP) or get WPA2 working on the FR? All the reports on the 'net I've found seem to be WPA/TKIP (or don't say, but show wpa_supplicant.conf's which can select between CCMP and TKIP which makes me assume they're using TKIP). |
| 21:45.06 | cjb | hrrr. bitbake worked once, and then: ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/home/cjb/git/moko/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /home/cjb/git/moko/openembedded/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.3.0.0.bb). |
| 21:46.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07sms-pdu * rc007c022efaa 10framework/ (11 files in 6 dirs): |
| 21:46.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Unify configuration nodes to use the same name we are using for logging, i.e. [subsystem.module]. |
| 21:46.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Needs to be done for other subsystems that use individual modules as well |
| 21:46.42 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07sms-pdu * ra214bf1f409e 10framework/framework/ (config.py controller.py subsystem.py): |
| 21:46.42 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * check configuration file format version |
| 21:46.44 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: * allow both disabling a whole subsystem as well as just one module (per config) |
| 21:46.46 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r7e42e9df5347 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
| 21:46.49 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Bump timeout to 7 seconds when sending PIN |
| 21:46.55 | *** part/#openmoko Wolv-X (n=a@78.15.139.138) |
| 21:46.57 | cjb | ah, I guess it thinks nothing needs to be done? How could I force a rebuild? |
| 21:47.29 | cjb | ah, -crebuild might work |
| 21:47.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: It seems like some SIMs are quite slow to acknowledge the PIN so some |
| 21:47.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: time out with the default value of 5 seconds. |
| 21:47.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r4014cf6316ca 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: |
| 21:47.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make the low level parser quote aware (torindel@gmail.com) |
| 21:47.41 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: This addresses bug #62 |
| 21:47.43 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07sms-pdu * r08e386f66074 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Start work on SMS PDU mode |
| 21:48.48 | Rigolo | where can I find the latest ASU build? on buildhost there are only 2007.02 builds |
| 21:49.44 | *** part/#openmoko topaspv (n=topaspv@unaffiliated/topaspv) |
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| 21:50.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | will jump back in at work and ask about the FR and its lack of ssh : |
| 21:51.31 | rooly | hmm |
| 21:51.40 | rooly | i guess minimo isn't in the repo |
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| 21:53.12 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rfcd42630bf00 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build |
| 21:53.22 | XorA|gone | who want minimo, its old news |
| 21:55.20 | rooly | i want a different browser |
| 21:55.26 | rooly | the om2007.2 one sucks |
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| 21:55.44 | XorA|gone | build firefox 3 :-D |
| 21:56.02 | zash | links! |
| 21:56.56 | rooly | lol |
| 21:56.58 | rooly | silly |
| 21:57.08 | rooly | hmm...minimo is looking rather slick |
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| 21:57.42 | XorA|gone | wonders if fennec is actually buildable |
| 21:57.49 | XorA|gone | or whether is hard coded to maemo |
| 21:59.03 | Quai | opera would rock.. :P |
| 21:59.11 | lindi- | so not :) |
| 22:00.27 | rooly | nah |
| 22:00.30 | rooly | firefox ftw |
| 22:00.36 | rooly | with flash support! |
| 22:00.41 | Quai | it would have been much smoother than firefox 3 on this platform |
| 22:01.16 | cjb | persuade Opera to make it open source, then.. |
| 22:01.34 | rooly | or send them an FR and ask nicely |
| 22:01.40 | Quai | im not sure if that would help anything, but hey |
| 22:02.03 | lindi- | Quai: yes but the point of the system is to work with free software :) |
| 22:02.24 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc05d9a67827d 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [gpe-scap] Replace the default icon for design issue |
| 22:02.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4e47c4374ee9 10/packages/gpe-scap/gpe-scap_1.3.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin in gpe-scap |
| 22:02.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra9337027817c 10/packages/gpe-scap/ (gpe-scap-1.3/development_gpe-scap.png gpe-scap_1.3.bb): [gpe-scap] Add Icon into OE |
| 22:02.27 | Quai | I know :) |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rabb6f16d6934 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Replace icons for ASU |
| 22:02.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r2a67173280d2 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [openmoko] Change the TAG which used by assassin |
| 22:02.32 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8e787088e279 10/packages/qtopia-phone/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [qtopia-phone-x11] Add Icon into OE |
| 22:02.35 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r0874145e7650 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion for exposure to 59 |
| 22:02.38 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rf61bbc0a424b 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [exposure] Bump up the reversion of exposure to 62 |
| 22:02.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r9d021c18c13c 10/packages/openmoko-projects/ (exposure/setup-r62.diff exposure_svn.bb): [exposure] Add patch to make r62 build |
| 22:02.51 | Quai | (I work for opera, so ignore me when I talk about firefox vs opera ;P) |
| 22:02.52 | cjb | doesn't understand people buying an openmoko and complaining about the lack of proprietary software on it :) |
| 22:03.07 | cjb | Quai: ah, I see |
| 22:03.23 | cjb | then that explains the motivation :) |
| 22:03.28 | lindi- | Quai: i hope you realized that |
| 22:04.07 | Zilla | why in god sake do you want proprietary software on the openmoko freerunner? |
| 22:04.23 | cjb | Zilla: Because he works at Opera. |
| 22:04.45 | leinir | Zilla: Because freedom goes both ways ;) |
| 22:04.49 | cjb | which is, at least, the best reason I can think of for wanting it, even if it isn't a very good one ;-) |
| 22:04.52 | Zilla | thats for sure... |
| 22:07.16 | Wonka | i can imagine people being happy with some opera on their FR... |
| 22:07.27 | Zilla | i think its laggy |
| 22:07.31 | Zilla | as hell |
| 22:07.33 | Wonka | but i do not want any proprietary software on mine |
| 22:08.07 | Wonka | stinks enough that the ar6k chip has non-free firmware on-chip |
| 22:08.10 | Quai | One thing I would love is to create a entire gui based on a browser in fullscreen mode |
| 22:08.18 | Wonka | so we cannot do monitor mode atm |
| 22:08.25 | cjb | Quai: the GNOME folks tried that a year or so ago |
| 22:08.32 | cjb | Quai: it's called Pyro, and uses XUL |
| 22:08.36 | rooly | anyone know of any bluetooth projects? |
| 22:08.59 | danw | I don't understand the fashion for "browser applications" |
| 22:09.19 | Quai | It could be cool with google gears and stuff |
| 22:09.32 | danw | what is wrong with "proper" applications |
| 22:09.47 | rooly | danw, it's so that any platform can show the same data with no need for recoding and recompiling |
| 22:09.50 | cjb | danw: well, no-one uses them anymore |
| 22:09.54 | rooly | the problem with this is, once again, windows |
| 22:10.01 | rooly | fscking IE... |
| 22:10.18 | danw | rooly: you can do that with, say, python |
| 22:10.37 | rooly | but python still has tertiary requirements on a system |
| 22:10.52 | cjb | yeah, python's not a great example. maybe java. |
| 22:10.59 | danw | true but it will run faster than any browser app you can design |
| 22:11.01 | rooly | java is a better example |
| 22:11.06 | danw | and not all browsers are equal |
| 22:11.08 | cjb | in any case -- see how many people you know use a client-side e-mail program vs. using gmail |
| 22:11.24 | cjb | and we start to see why the "online desktop" might be a good idea |
| 22:11.32 | Wonka | would not often send mail from his freerunner, but use ssh to connect to his vserver |
| 22:11.33 | rooly | i'm not disagreeing with danw, just answering the question |
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| 22:12.06 | danw | for example, if I choose to use konqueror, a lot of these web applications won't work with it, but I can compile any old C/C++ app with internet connectivity if I have the right libraries |
| 22:12.20 | danw | I guess I just don't do any web development |
| 22:12.34 | danw | but I personally would really dislike the idea of an "online desktop" |
| 22:12.42 | rooly | hmm |
| 22:12.46 | rooly | i've actually seen and used one |
| 22:12.49 | rooly | "eyeOS" |
| 22:12.54 | rooly | quite interesting |
| 22:12.58 | tuXXX | cjb: imap is not available, users doesn't know good mail clients, users doesn't know that mail clients exist at all |
| 22:13.31 | danw | cjb: I have a gmail account, and use client side email account |
| 22:13.37 | danw | it's much faster and more featureful |
| 22:13.55 | rooly | hrm |
| 22:14.00 | rooly | this minimo is pretty sexy |
| 22:14.05 | rooly | altho a little slow imo |
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| 22:14.32 | danw | i'm also a firm believer that a computer should remain useful without a connection to the net |
| 22:14.53 | rooly | agrees |
| 22:15.09 | rooly | this whole "cloud computing" initiative is fundamentally flawed |
| 22:15.31 | Wonka | but a computer without net has no use for mail functionality anyway |
| 22:15.37 | danw | I think that "internet applications" and "internet desktop" concept is fundamentally flawed, but |
| 22:15.48 | danw | well, think about it, |
| 22:15.59 | Wonka | likes mut |
| 22:16.00 | Wonka | r |
| 22:16.03 | Wonka | mutt, even |
| 22:16.11 | danw | in many countries more and more people are demanding more and more data over the internet. In a few years, here in the UK the network will be very clogged |
| 22:16.31 | danw | if everyone is transferring data every time they open their word processor as well as when they're collecting their mail and watching youtube |
| 22:16.32 | Zilla | blame youtube |
| 22:16.37 | danw | it's a completel waste of bandwidth |
| 22:16.51 | rooly | a little bit of investment in the "pipes" can fix that right up |
| 22:16.57 | danw | yes but |
| 22:17.08 | danw | when home computers are getting more and more powerful |
| 22:17.18 | danw | where is the sense in offloading more and more processing to external big servers? |
| 22:17.48 | rooly | oh, and if they would just be smart and be dumb pipes and charge for the connection... |
| 22:17.59 | Wonka | lower energy usage on the networked client? |
| 22:18.10 | Wonka | on the mobile networked client |
| 22:18.58 | danw | yes but higher energy usage on the server |
| 22:19.15 | Wonka | but the server does not need batteries |
| 22:19.28 | Wonka | lower energy usage on the mobile client means longer battery life |
| 22:20.15 | danw | yes but battery technology and such is improving all the time, and will continue to do so |
| 22:20.20 | Wonka | by the way - sometimes i'd like the 2007.2 display locker not to lock or even suspend the screen, but only dim. |
| 22:20.34 | rooly | alrighty |
| 22:20.35 | rooly | bbl |
| 22:21.13 | Wonka | also, i'd like a "suspend now" button, analog to "lock display" |
| 22:21.34 | danw | +1 to that |
| 22:22.41 | Wonka | i do not want to disable power management completely for watching my course on the map, and also not need to touch the screen regularly to stop it locking the screen |
| 22:23.23 | Wonka | this is all managed by neod, afaik - wasn't there a replacement planned? |
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| 22:23.54 | peter__b | hi |
| 22:24.10 | peter__b | anyone an idea why my gtkrc wont work on asu ? |
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| 22:30.37 | cjb | ugh, bitbake is starting from scratch and I don't know why |
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| 22:38.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r21906652b271 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: fix relaunching in lowlevel init |
| 22:38.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r11b2ccf8f92f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: |
| 22:38.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix parsing outgoing SMS with empty phone numbers (stored on SIM). |
| 22:38.39 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: Patch by wiedi@frubar.net, thanks! Closes ticket #67 |
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| 22:40.18 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03simon.kagstrom 07stable * r64eb10cab805 10/board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c: environment-option-to-stop-in-menu.patch |
| 22:40.31 | Zilla | bye all, ;) |
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| 22:56.21 | linuxxr | who are the slack people |
| 22:56.28 | torindel | 23:55 < rooly> i want a different browser, 23:55 < XorA|gone> build firefox 3 :-D <- why not microb then, the sources are availble, and its better than minimo ;p |
| 22:57.24 | linuxxr | in need a "Make it Permanent" usb networking tutorial |
| 22:57.36 | linuxxr | im proly the only 1 |
| 22:57.52 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.53 | torindel | pjz: ping |
| 23:00.09 | varikin | how can I stop the sound when I tap the screen on the FR? |
| 23:02.17 | lindi- | i think wiki had info on this |
| 23:05.57 | XorA|gone | torindel: microb isnt a browser |
| 23:06.30 | torindel | XorA|gone: and what then? |
| 23:06.39 | torindel | XorA|gone: its modified ff3 engine |
| 23:06.51 | torindel | i looks and works like a browser |
| 23:06.59 | XorA|gone | torindel: yeah but as far as I can see, its a plugin for a browser framework |
| 23:06.59 | zash | gecko? |
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| 23:07.31 | XorA|gone | torindel: when I looked at mircob it didnt seem to actually produce and executable |
| 23:09.22 | torindel | maybe i'll look at that when i have some time |
| 23:09.44 | XorA|gone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.21 | linuxxr | hows opkg upgrade today? |
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| 23:15.19 | ajbrun | not good linuxxr |
| 23:16.13 | torindel | hmm August 29, 2008 - Fennec Alpha 1 |
| 23:16.36 | torindel | i wonder how much complete it is as is |
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| 23:20.07 | ieatlint | hah, my team kicked beckham's arse |
| 23:20.10 | linuxxr | REMOVE CLICK SOUND VIA /etc/pulse/session |
| 23:21.03 | linuxxr | so i need to download what to fix |
| 23:21.19 | linuxxr | i have the stock setup |
| 23:21.44 | linuxxr | what game ieatlint? |
| 23:21.54 | linuxxr | source |
| 23:22.12 | ieatlint | san jose earthquakes vs LA galaxy (US league) |
| 23:23.15 | linuxxr | i was thinking computer games ol |
| 23:23.40 | ieatlint | hehe, nah, that crazy thing called real life |
| 23:24.03 | linuxxr | yay |
| 23:25.51 | linuxxr | task-machine-base: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-gta01kbd |
| 23:25.52 | linuxxr | task-machine-base: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-s3cmci |
| 23:26.15 | linuxxr | why it sayd gta01 |
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| 23:27.40 | linuxxr | well i just opkg upgrade ed |
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| 23:28.25 | linuxxr | it rebooted |
| 23:30.24 | kgoetz | usbnet still working? |
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| 23:33.19 | alphaone | torindel: ping |
| 23:35.49 | torindel | alphaone: pong |
| 23:36.37 | alphaone | torindel: I've commited a slightly modified patch to http://trac.freesmartphone.org:8000/trac-example/ticket/62 |
| 23:36.48 | alphaone | Can you try if that fixes the issue for you? |
| 23:37.01 | torindel | ok wait i'll check |
| 23:37.09 | alphaone | (building new fso-image now) |
| 23:38.27 | alphaone | torindel: Thanks. Please close the bug if it fixes the problem for you |
| 23:39.49 | peepsalot | does openmoko use xcb? |
| 23:41.22 | torindel | git clone http://git.freesmartphone.org/framework: warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. o_O |
| 23:41.27 | torindel | it worked earlier |
| 23:41.36 | kgoetz | updates and wonders if he'll survive it :) |
| 23:42.00 | alphaone | whoa |
| 23:42.53 | torindel | it's not me (did rm -rf framework, theres no .git in current dir etc) |
| 23:44.00 | varikin | is there a way to get the FR to vibrate instead of ring? |
| 23:44.12 | alphaone | torindel: Yeah, I just tried it myself |
| 23:44.36 | alphaone | strance, clone doesn't work, but I can pull into my existing checkout |
| 23:44.42 | alphaone | strange even |
| 23:45.00 | alphaone | it says "Perhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there?" |
| 23:46.40 | alphaone | torindel: git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework |
| 23:46.44 | alphaone | use git:// |
| 23:47.30 | torindel | strange it worked with http:// earlier |
| 23:47.38 | alphaone | strange |
| 23:47.49 | alphaone | shoragan said it wasn't supported |
| 23:47.56 | alphaone | Maybe because I added a branch? |
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| 23:54.12 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:54.29 | kgoetz | gday mate |
| 23:57.38 | alphaone | torindel: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openembedded-build/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080803234535-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary should have it |
| 23:58.41 | alphaone | I'm off to bed, good nicht |
| 23:58.44 | alphaone | night |
| 23:58.48 | torindel | night |
| 23:59.51 | varikin | is there a way to get the FR to vibrate instead of ring? |
