| 00:00.53 | SpeedEvil | It's been like that for a hwile. |
| 00:01.03 | CVirus | https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko |
| 00:01.11 | CVirus | First batch shipped 25th June, we are now ordering more |
| 00:01.57 | SpeedEvil | Err - what? |
| 00:02.13 | CVirus | that's what the link says |
| 00:02.20 | CVirus | looks like distributors started shipping alreadt |
| 00:02.24 | CVirus | already* |
| 00:02.32 | SpeedEvil | Sure - but how did they have any orders? |
| 00:03.39 | CVirus | no idea |
| 00:08.46 | GNUtoo | hello,what is the most usable gui for openmoko as now? qtopia? the matchbox gui? another one...i want to be able to make phones calls without typing at commands when i get one... |
| 00:09.00 | GNUtoo | s/at/AT |
| 00:09.38 | CVirus | FSO I think |
| 00:10.16 | GNUtoo | and what do you mean by not out yet? do you mean that the online store is not ready? but what about other distributors? |
| 00:10.51 | CVirus | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/05/05/openmoko-framework-initiative/ |
| 00:11.09 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen a site with a purchasable neo. |
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| 00:11.19 | SpeedEvil | Though I'm looking through the list of distributors |
| 00:11.42 | GNUtoo | CVirus, thanks i didn't think the new stack initiative was already ready...wow!!! so i can choose my GUI |
| 00:12.16 | CVirus | no problem |
| 00:12.24 | balrog-kun | you can choose... but it isn't really ready :) |
| 00:15.48 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, i saw bearstech's website and it seems that you can buy it...i wonder if they sell it only online...(it would be great to buy it not trough the internet...) |
| 00:16.05 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, it's in Europe/France/Paris |
| 00:16.26 | SpeedEvil | I can't at the moment anyway. |
| 00:16.38 | SpeedEvil | Needed to buy more bits for roof :( |
| 00:16.47 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, ah "pre commande..." so not ready yet |
| 00:17.14 | SpeedEvil | GNUtoo: same with other two stores I looked at |
| 00:17.26 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, ok |
| 00:17.41 | SpeedEvil | GNUtoo: well - the UK one claimed to have shipped some - but they may not have had a 'waiting for initial stock' state for their items. |
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| 00:18.22 | GNUtoo | SpeedEvil, as my brother is in france it's easier for me to buy in france... |
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| 00:41.08 | Tanya | ? |
| 00:47.27 | CVirus | Tanya: yeah .. this is the interbutt |
| 00:47.37 | CVirus | it's a bit confusing at the beginning |
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| 00:51.54 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r4eed2db4e169 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 116 for illume - new config defaults for aux btn |
| 00:51.54 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rc95af4cd8cc2 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.asu.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.asu.dev |
| 00:53.16 | Tanya | |= |
| 00:53.52 | raster | :| |
| 00:54.13 | CVirus | raster: hey there |
| 00:54.34 | raster | 8] |
| 00:54.36 | *** part/#openmoko Tanya (n=_@unaffiliated/tanya) |
| 00:55.52 | linuxxr | http://trisoft.de/en_openmoko.htm |
| 00:56.35 | linuxxr | https://www.yoss.de/openmoko/en_preorder.htm |
| 00:57.05 | raster | let the chaos begin |
| 00:57.22 | mmu_man | :) |
| 00:57.39 | linuxxr | yeeehaaa |
| 00:58.57 | mmu_man | http://linuxfr.org/2008/06/17/24221.html |
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| 01:02.58 | raster | as i said... |
| 01:03.01 | raster | let the chaos begin |
| 01:03.02 | raster | :) |
| 01:03.25 | CVirus | let the pious vanish for all time |
| 01:03.27 | mmu_man | any spare one for me ? |
| 01:03.38 | mmu_man | need to port Haiku to that :) |
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| 01:05.22 | raster | mmu_man: enjoy the porting. :) |
| 01:06.07 | roh | gnnh. |
| 01:06.15 | roh | i-hate-tha-web |
| 01:06.45 | SpeedEvil | All of it? |
| 01:07.06 | SpeedEvil | We should go back to gopher. |
| 01:07.11 | roh | yeah |
| 01:07.36 | roh | bah.. just wasted the last few hours fiddeling with urls and details of html and such |
| 01:07.50 | raster | da weeeb |
| 01:07.57 | roh | 'making it work' when one gets a 'new site' as zip ;) |
| 01:07.58 | raster | lets stop using software |
| 01:08.02 | raster | lets make everythign web-based |
| 01:08.08 | raster | who needs an os |
| 01:08.08 | roh | *shoot* |
| 01:08.11 | raster | all u need is a browser |
| 01:09.16 | mjr | I see raster has gone over to iPhone |
| 01:09.24 | raster | yes |
| 01:09.30 | raster | i'm all about apple poroducts |
| 01:09.37 | raster | they are the bestss0rz |
| 01:09.45 | raster | steve jobs is my hero |
| 01:09.50 | raster | everything i own is apple |
| 01:10.04 | raster | and the future is the weeeeb |
| 01:10.13 | raster | web spreadhseets |
| 01:10.15 | raster | web mail |
| 01:10.18 | raster | web irc |
| 01:10.41 | raster | all on my shiny iphone with multitouch |
| 01:10.52 | raster | :) |
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| 01:12.50 | linuxxr | shoot that thing |
| 01:13.35 | CVirus | fuck the web |
| 01:13.37 | CVirus | fuck http |
| 01:13.41 | CVirus | fuck all browsers |
| 01:13.42 | raster | slaps some <sarcasm> tags around the place |
| 01:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Watch out! |
| 01:14.12 | SpeedEvil | The ends of those are pointy! |
| 01:14.35 | jeffszusz | O_o |
| 01:14.47 | jeffszusz | wonders why CVirus is so irate |
| 01:14.51 | CVirus | firefox 3 is eating 20% of my fucken ram because of 5 opened tabs .. fuck it |
| 01:14.58 | jeffszusz | lol |
| 01:15.09 | kelvie | hmm.. the headphone jack is on the side of the phone? |
| 01:15.15 | raster | hehehe |
| 01:15.17 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: yes |
| 01:15.20 | kelvie | wouldn't it be better at the top or bottom? |
| 01:15.26 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: it's not. |
| 01:15.27 | kelvie | or ahs this been discussed before? :p |
| 01:15.35 | raster | CVirus: dude - don;'t u know. u need 4gb of ram to browse the weeeeb these days. |
| 01:15.38 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: where it might or might not have been is kind of a moot point. |
| 01:15.41 | raster | thats why i got 4gb |
| 01:15.45 | raster | for da weeeeb |
| 01:15.50 | CVirus | raster: yaeh .. I noticed |
| 01:15.53 | CVirus | yeah* |
| 01:15.56 | SpeedEvil | hs 192 on this box. |
| 01:16.02 | CVirus | http://www.pulster.de/ ... 299euros freerunners |
| 01:16.11 | SpeedEvil | is contemplating getting out the soldering iron to upgrade. |
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| 01:16.17 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: note the '0' price. |
| 01:16.27 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: next to 'buy' |
| 01:16.30 | CVirus | hehe |
| 01:17.51 | CVirus | Preis: EUR 19.00 Openmoko Freerunner Tasche |
| 01:18.09 | SpeedEvil | I guess that's just a charger. |
| 01:18.21 | kelvie | SpeedEvil: ah.. so there was discussion about it? |
| 01:18.22 | CVirus | that's the pouch |
| 01:18.26 | mmontour | CVirus: I was just looking at that. Time to put mine on eBay. |
| 01:18.30 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:18.51 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: No. Not externally at least. That part of the design was frozen _long_ ago |
| 01:18.51 | CVirus | it's 10euros more expensive than the earphones ! |
| 01:19.07 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: 2006? |
| 01:19.11 | kelvie | oh wow |
| 01:19.25 | SpeedEvil | kelvie: you can use bleutotoh phones too |
| 01:20.04 | kelvie | interesting |
| 01:20.35 | kelvie | wait.. in stereo? |
| 01:22.41 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:22.46 | SpeedEvil | Google a2dp |
| 01:24.12 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: has anyone done a2dp on the Neo, or is it just theory? |
| 01:24.23 | SpeedEvil | Not that I know of. |
| 01:24.36 | SpeedEvil | I tried for a bit, but couldn't get it working |
| 01:24.50 | SpeedEvil | Not related to the neo - just my poor understanding of the stack |
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| 01:31.29 | roh | CVirus Tasche means 'bag' |
| 01:32.15 | roh | mmontour same game as on a notebook. that part is default bleuz |
| 01:32.18 | roh | eh bluez |
| 01:32.54 | roh | afiak there is a gsoc about tie-ing up bluez and pulseaudio to do proper a2dp including pairing stuff |
| 01:33.57 | roh | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bluez/appinfo.html?csaid=2218999748B418AE |
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| 01:34.02 | mmontour | roh: I was thinking more of audio-routing issues through the wm8753 chip. |
| 01:34.21 | roh | mmontour a2dp doesnt pass the wm at all. |
| 01:34.39 | roh | the pcm link on the csr bt is only of use in sdp mode afaik |
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| 01:35.16 | mmontour | OK. I don't know much about BT audio, except what I've learned while trying to get a headset to work with the Neo. |
| 01:36.03 | roh | was it sdp? i think so.. the 'mono fullduplex voice quality thingie for calling' |
| 01:36.16 | roh | the stereo-hifi mode is higher latency and called a2dp |
| 01:39.13 | SpeedEvil | It appears as another alsa device |
| 01:39.17 | SpeedEvil | As I understood it |
| 01:39.18 | raster | SpeedEvil: they put 1gb on the 3g iphone and the softbank 922sh because of the weeeeb. :) |
| 01:39.23 | SpeedEvil | But I never got it working. |
| 01:39.50 | SpeedEvil | (on neo or desktop) |
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| 01:46.03 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4501 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:46.03 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Let's try this again. The previous solution didn't solve the problem when |
| 01:46.03 | CIA-45 | openmoko: manually running test, e.g., ./blanks |
| 01:46.03 | CIA-45 | openmoko: Thus we have to give the relative path for each invocation of Common. |
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| 04:06.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r1a6053296d87 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [glamo] Put OE patches "upstream" and additonal keyboard fixes |
| 04:06.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4152e1b84389 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade xglamo, it got a fix for extended keycodes. |
| 04:06.47 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03raster 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4fbbfd6a73da 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: up to 116 for illume - new config defaults for aux btn |
| 04:06.48 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r8d1ae0593c19 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] Make sure that connman gets started, do that after dbus is running |
| 04:06.50 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra005ee0d27f3 10/packages/qtopia-phone/qtopia-phone-x11_git.bb: [qtopia] Use the gcc options that Trolltech might used for their gta01 build |
| 04:06.53 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r65440364c2bb 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [exposure] Marek needs python-edbus for exposure. |
| 04:06.56 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rba3ef03acbea 10/packages/openmoko-projects/exposure_svn.bb: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to be launchable again |
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| 04:35.18 | orospakr | Is suspend/resume working yet? |
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| 04:35.37 | orospakr | on either GTA01Bv4 or Freerunner? |
| 04:35.43 | josch | it is |
| 04:35.52 | josch | on bi'oth |
| 04:35.57 | josch | *both |
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| 04:38.55 | orospakr | oh, even with wakeups from phone calls? |
| 04:39.03 | balrog-kun | sometimes |
| 04:39.47 | orospakr | huh :/ |
| 04:40.05 | josch | balrog-kun, dont scare him ;) |
| 04:40.58 | balrog-kun | i hear some images wake up fine in 100% cases |
| 04:41.11 | balrog-kun | and other versions in less % ;) |
| 04:41.16 | balrog-kun | and other in 0% |
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| 04:54.44 | orospakr | thanks, guys. :) |
| 04:54.58 | orospakr | I'll wait a bit longer before I try resurrecting my GTA01Bv4. |
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| 05:01.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4502 10/developers/werner/greg/ (19 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:01.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: greg is a processor for register definitions. It can be used to pretty-print |
| 05:01.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: register dumps. Work in progress. |
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| 05:04.45 | josch | orospakr, lol you have a gta01 UNUSED |
| 05:04.51 | josch | what a waste! |
| 05:05.31 | balrog-kun | he don't deserve it! |
| 05:05.34 | balrog-kun | points with a finger |
| 05:06.13 | josch | imagine: with all those wasted neos we probably could build a BEOWULF CLUSTER :D |
| 05:06.28 | josch | (and play crysis on it ^^) |
| 05:06.45 | balrog-kun | mindblowing |
| 05:06.52 | balrog-kun | such an opportunity wasted |
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| 05:08.01 | balrog-kun | is crysis some ascii art game? |
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| 05:08.10 | balrog-kun | my distro doesn't have it in packages :( |
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| 05:17.57 | Railer | so anyone alive in here? |
| 05:18.33 | rtm | Does anyone happen to know how many programmers are actually employed (paid!) by Openmoko? |
| 05:18.50 | rtm | Railer: I'm alive, but clueless. |
| 05:19.05 | Railer | cool |
| 05:19.19 | Railer | sdk anywhere? |
| 05:19.57 | Railer | must port nethack! |
| 05:19.58 | rtm | Railer: By that what to you mean? Are you asking if there is an Openmoko sdk? |
| 05:20.17 | Railer | yes an emulator |
| 05:20.34 | rtm | Yes there is. |
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| 05:20.40 | balrog-kun | i'm sure someone ran nethack already :) |
| 05:20.44 | balrog-kun | it might be in packages even |
| 05:21.26 | Railer | any linux system first port must ALWAYS be nethack |
| 05:21.54 | balrog-kun | *agree* |
| 05:21.58 | balrog-kun | there's no way around |
| 05:22.30 | balrog-kun | (at least in OE there is a package for sure) |
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| 05:23.00 | orospakr | josch, surely you can't be *that* surprised. I'm not doing any dev for it, and suspend hasn't really worked. |
| 05:23.00 | Railer | have to go look |
| 05:24.06 | balrog-kun | orospakr: it hasn't worked because you haven't been doing any dev :p |
| 05:24.13 | orospakr | hah! |
| 05:24.26 | orospakr | is strictly user-space, these days. |
| 05:24.45 | orospakr | my only foray into kernel space involved UML and ended badly. |
| 05:25.01 | Railer | I must say once in my life "No I can't take that call, I'm taming cockatrice!" |
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| 05:25.43 | balrog-kun | orospakr: ok, i don't want to hear the details :) |
| 05:25.50 | balrog-kun | the bloody details |
| 05:27.07 | raster | rtm: 3.1235321 |
| 05:27.14 | Railer | so anyone guessing july? |
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| 05:28.31 | rtm | Railer: Lots of people seem to be guessing July 4th. |
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| 05:28.58 | Railer | well that's what the update on the board said from steve |
| 05:29.32 | rtm | Oh, I didn't realize it was that official. |
| 05:30.06 | Railer | shame they don't have time to repackage in rW & B flag for an independance day opening, massive us pr blitz |
| 05:30.42 | zash | bah |
| 05:31.42 | rtm | I'm waiting for the Gitmo commemorative edition. |
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| 05:33.37 | Railer | I'm not saying it would go well in denmark, but the us would like it and hit home the free your phone motif |
| 05:34.09 | Railer | where are they manufactured? |
| 05:34.11 | rtm | They could replace the vibrator with a stun gun. |
| 05:34.36 | rtm | Railer: Mainland China, I think, near Shanghai. |
| 05:34.48 | zash | denmark? |
| 05:35.10 | zash | it would not go well anywhere except the us |
| 05:35.20 | Railer | well you get my point |
| 05:36.10 | kvk | when building a package in moko with autotools, getiing an error like this " no rule to make target install". can anyone help me resolving this error? |
| 05:36.20 | balrog-kun | near shanghai just take the left turn behind the gas station and it's right there |
| 05:36.25 | Railer | how long do you think it will be when cell companies start banning the phone? |
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| 05:37.39 | zash | I'm more interested in when they go back to beeing dumb pipes |
| 05:37.52 | mudyc | Railer: why should them ban it? |
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| 05:38.47 | rtm | mudyc: The cell companies want control over VOIP, etc. |
| 05:38.51 | Railer | why? because it has wifi/voip abilities |
| 05:38.51 | zash | mudyc: probably due to telecos evilness |
| 05:38.56 | raster | not sure why people think july 4 |
| 05:39.16 | raster | thats such a USA-centric way of thinking |
| 05:39.17 | Railer | telecos douch-bageness |
| 05:39.28 | raster | Om as a company is very un-USA |
| 05:39.55 | raster | most of the p[eople working for om are from ousdie the usa and/or live/work outside the usa. |
| 05:40.07 | Railer | I doubt very much july 4, my guess is july 25 ish |
| 05:40.23 | rtm | Speaking of which - will the 850 MHz version be immediately available when the store opens? |
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| 05:40.40 | raster | we mostly dont care one way or another for july 4th. |
| 05:40.42 | raster | :) |
| 05:40.51 | raster | its a non-event to us |
| 05:41.02 | raster | rtm: should be |
| 05:41.04 | raster | i think |
| 05:41.14 | rtm | raster: Goodie! |
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| 05:41.52 | Railer | it has a cam? I forget |
| 05:42.00 | zash | no |
| 05:42.07 | rtm | Railer: Not this version. |
| 05:43.04 | Railer | bummer |
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| 05:43.33 | rtm | Railer: There is some speculation that a camera will be added to the next model. |
| 05:46.20 | Railer | wifi/gps = sniffer tech is a must |
| 05:47.34 | Railer | tired of driving around with my laptop |
| 05:48.08 | zash | driving .. |
| 05:48.27 | zash | :D |
| 05:48.44 | Railer | new fingers... |
| 05:49.07 | zash | i think someone said that the wifi-chip wont do monitor mode |
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| 05:49.29 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r4503 10/developers/werner/greg/tests/value: - tests/value: forgot to check result in one test case |
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| 05:50.31 | balrog-kun | in theory it's a software limitation |
| 05:50.50 | balrog-kun | but it's at the level of lack of information where it's much like a hardware issue :) |
| 05:52.24 | Railer | anyone from canada? |
| 05:53.17 | mmontour | Yes, Vancouver. |
| 05:53.33 | rtm | I am, when traveling outside the US. |
| 05:53.49 | zash | haha |
| 05:53.56 | Railer | Edmonton |
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| 05:55.04 | Railer | so anyone signed up for group purchasing? hows that work? is anyone one person per group organizing or emailing everyone else? |
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| 05:56.00 | rtm | Railer: Groups tend to form by modifying the GroupSales wiki page. |
| 05:56.30 | rtm | Then they email each other, and find out who's actually willing to place the order. |
| 05:57.04 | Railer | will there be deposits? cash? delivery party? |
| 05:57.36 | rtm | Our group has required a $100 deposit. |
| 05:58.03 | rtm | We'll probably have a delivery party. |
| 05:58.14 | Railer | That sounds right |
| 05:58.55 | rtm | We decided not to mess with PayPal, etc. Cash or check. |
| 05:59.00 | Railer | OMG ok no nethack project but a sudoku project, head should role |
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| 06:03.52 | Railer | oh one more project, must convert to star trek lcars |
| 06:06.27 | rtm | Railer: What's an lcar? |
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| 06:07.24 | Railer | the style |
| 06:07.26 | Railer | http://www.aerodrome.us/images/lcars.png |
| 06:08.04 | Railer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS |
| 06:08.14 | Railer | Library Computer Access and Retrieval System |
| 06:09.10 | Railer | what are you a jedi? |
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| 06:11.21 | Railer | http://www.snarkbait.com/dave/phone2.jpg |
| 06:11.24 | rtm | I only bonded with The Original Series. |
| 06:12.00 | Railer | loook at the last link |
| 06:13.44 | kvk | hepaajan: when building a package in moko with autotools, getiing an error like this " no rule to make target install". can you help me resolving this error? |
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| 06:16.25 | mmontour | kvk: do you normally run 'make install' when building that package? |
| 06:17.19 | mmontour | If the package's Makefile doesn't have an 'install' target you may have to write a custom do_install() function |
| 06:17.51 | methril | morning |
| 06:20.05 | Railer | evening |
| 06:20.26 | kvk | mmontour, we are using autotools method, then i think there is no need of using custom do_install () function |
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| 06:21.18 | mmontour | kvk: Are all the steps before 'install' successful? |
| 06:21.49 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r85476d7706a5 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsaaudio, support for the Linux 2.6.x ALSA Sound System |
| 06:21.49 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jluebbe 07org.openembedded.dev * r8e1c072606a5 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: include python-oeventd |
| 06:21.50 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * re99961aeac9a 10/packages/gcc/ (4 files in 2 dirs): gcc 4.3.1: fix NEON ice: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36500 |
| 06:21.50 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03woglinde2 07org.openembedded.dev * r501cfa142f6a 10/packages/freetype/ (freetype-native_2.3.6.bb freetype_2.3.6.bb): freetype: update to version 2.3.6 |
| 06:21.53 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r7b7b59cf1b56 10/packages/libmikmod/ (libmikmod/m4.patch libmikmod_3.1.12.bb): libmikmod 3.1.12 bring back m4 patch to improve compatibility with more systems (thanks Jeremy) |
| 06:21.57 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r02c85e4237fc 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of 'a6e949d7541dc3ab2d5697151c861cfd4a2efa87' |
| 06:22.00 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r28f4d15758d9 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add python-pyalsa, (another) alsa support package for python |
| 06:22.02 | kvk | mmontour: yes |
| 06:22.03 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rb63607ab80bb 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): python-etk git sanitize recipe and add to task-python-efl[-examples] |
| 06:22.12 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openembedded.dev * rafb0ec2b4ee2 10/packages/rt-tests/rt-tests_0.21.bb: rt-tests: Fix detection of executables in do_install(). |
| 06:22.15 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03likewise 07org.openembedded.dev * rda113caaf38d 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-rt-2.6.25: Enable hrtimers, dyntick and -rt latency tracing for EFIKA. |
| 06:22.18 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openembedded.dev * r6d9077ba8991 10/ (33 files in 16 dirs): merge of '416f841049c84e97f18fad677688af32cbc68636' |
| 06:22.21 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r949de3a24b4e 10/packages/libmodplug/ (libmodplug_0.7.bb libmodplug_0.8.bb): libmodplug 0.7 update to 0.8 |
| 06:22.24 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re5a8506c7e7d 10/packages/ (libmodplug/libmodplug_0.8.bb modplugplay/modplugplay_1.0.bb): modplugplay 1.0 compile w/ newer gccs |
| 06:22.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r80f5de15005e 10/packages/lasertraq/ (.mtn2git_empty lasertraq.inc traqconfig_0.8.bb): traqconfig: add configapplication of the lasertraq suite |
| 06:22.40 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3b4317c3c81b 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-omap2 git: bump SRCREV and remove patches that are upstream now |
| 06:22.43 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r37a45f37639c 10/packages/libosip2/libosip2_3.1.0.bb: libosip2: add libosip2 version 3.1.0 |
| 06:22.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r671b3c85ea99 10/packages/libexosip2/libexosip2_3.1.0.bb: libexosip2: add libexosip2 version 3.1.0 |
| 06:22.49 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r21564633ec73 10/packages/images/fso-image.bb: fso-image: ship sounds, add info 'bout state files |
| 06:22.52 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r701545314eca 10/packages/freesmartphone/fso-sounds.bb: add fso-sounds, notification sounds for the freesmartphone image |
| 06:22.55 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r806aeaaceea4 10/packages/gcc/ (2 files): gcc-cross-kernel: add 4.2.4 and csl-2007q3 |
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| 06:23.06 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rd52c8b146ec7 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: use gcc 4.3.1 for armv7a now that NEON works, use a seperate gcc (sadly a CSL one) for kernels |
| 06:23.09 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r51a478bcf44a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): omap3evm: add omap3evm machine and make linux-omap2 kernel the default for that. Based on work from Steve Sakoman |
| 06:23.12 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rffbed654f5f0 10/conf/distro/angstrom-2008.1.conf: angstrom 2008: remove bogus preferred version |
| 06:23.15 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rb23b3974a5d2 10/packages/linux/ (16 files in 3 dirs): linux-omap2 git: update evm defconfig (thanks Steve!), clean up beagle patch dir, apply smartreflex and cpuidle patches to evm as well |
| 06:23.19 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r4de6e1f702e4 10/packages/python/ (2 files in 2 dirs): python-gst 0.10.10 do not require pygtk, gobject is really all it needs |
| 06:23.32 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r4a1435517f3b 10/packages/freetype/ (3 files in 2 dirs): freetype 2.3.6 fix it |
| 06:23.35 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * ra05545c9ebac 10/ (19 files in 5 dirs): merge of 'adb71bd42c308e5f50a18441883b2051173f9cd2' |
| 06:23.38 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openembedded.dev * r2d379e77010e 10/packages/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.5-10.bb: imagemagick: don't call libtoolize for imagemagick, it doesn't work |
| 06:23.41 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r6f354297438a 10/packages/aspell/aspell_0.60.6.bb: aspell: add 0.60.6, fixes compile errors with gcc 4.3.x |
| 06:23.44 | CIA-45 | (107 lines omitted) |
| 06:23.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r849bd1a23933 10/packages/freesmartphone/ (zhone/80zhone zhone_git.bb): zhone: debug to /tmp/zhone.log for now, fix PACKAGE_ARCH |
| 06:23.48 | hepaajan | kvk: what package are you trying to build? |
| 06:23.59 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r8a30b4af281d 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: preferred-om-versions: prefer pulseaudio 0.9.10 |
| 06:24.02 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rdd2bc6db30e1 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: opkg[-native|-sdk]: prefere revision 4488. should fix the segfault w/ unsigned repositories |
| 06:24.02 | mmontour | kvk: then I don't know what your problem is. Maybe there's something else in the log? |
| 06:24.05 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3095c8e92f3b 10/packages/libpcre/libpcre_7.6.bb: libpcre: fix builds with libtool 2.2.4 |
| 06:24.08 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rcb2eb303f314 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): sane-srcrevs: bump opkg*, mplayer and packagekit |
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| 06:24.11 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbeb675241afd 10/packages/linux/linux-omap2-git/beagleboard/defconfig: linux omap2 git: disable DEBUG_LL for beagleboard |
| 06:24.16 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rb328f3d9aec0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sanesrcrevs: wind back opkg-native to 4452. opkg works find on the target, opkg-native fails with locking problems |
| 06:24.27 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * rcb5df50afd69 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: Slugos Package Feeds: drop linphone and spandsp to the broken list. |
| 06:24.30 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * rad3f59f3ca05 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - demote yeaphone, as it's dependent upon the broken linphone |
| 06:24.33 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mwester 07org.openembedded.dev * r495ef318bf96 10/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb: SlugOS Package Feeds - Yet another demotion: postfix will not build (bb file error) |
| 06:24.36 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r52bf846493a6 10/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio-alsa-wrapper.bb: pulseaudio alsa wrapper: add more modules |
| 06:24.41 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03dirk 07org.openembedded.dev * r58e40ff9f9d2 10/classes/insane.bbclass: insane.bbclass: add linux-gnuspe as valid target |
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| 06:24.55 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r69e41fac6f68 10/packages/mozilla/ (11 files in 2 dirs): firefox_2.0.0.14+3.0rc1.bb : first stab at firefox 3 recipe |
| 06:24.57 | chihchun | what's wrong? |
| 06:24.58 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r7e3fe0e4f6fd 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge of '02ce8fba2c16b03770277a744efebc4f9c0f7f47' |
| 06:25.01 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r5fc98c63b907 10/conf/distro/include/ (preferred-om-2008-versions.inc sane-srcrevs.inc): merge of '1ca4c522d6f876b0f973239befedba5f6ad6ab07' |
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| 06:25.11 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re36867891de7 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: gsmd2 git disable tests make it compile now |
| 06:25.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * re7789b03f4d5 10/packages/freesmartphone/gsmd2_git.bb: merge of '6d659ab83a5262d1e21010e8ef7628a905dfff84' |
| 06:25.19 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rde87183359c9 10/conf/machine/ (om-gta01.conf om-gta02.conf): om-gta0[1|2]: allow local.conf to override PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel |
| 06:25.22 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r1941f4682240 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrev: wind back opkg-native to 4452 *again* |
| 06:25.29 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03oe 07org.openembedded.dev * r16f9974b6075 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: merge of '2d0e7ded96559d4c71de1153762dd0879fa16697' |
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| 06:26.13 | kvk | hepaajan: its our own package |
| 06:26.37 | raster | autofools! |
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| 06:28.20 | hepaajan | kvk: can you build it manually using ./configure && make && make install ? |
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| 06:28.30 | mudyc | raster: what's your preferred building tool then?-) |
| 06:28.49 | raster | mudyc: i use autopoo |
| 06:28.58 | raster | but it doesnt mean i like it any little bit |
| 06:29.11 | raster | i've been meaning to investigate alternatives |
| 06:29.26 | raster | but i just have too much code depending on autosplat |
| 06:29.48 | kvk | hepaajan: not manually, we are using autotools method |
| 06:30.01 | raster | like 60 or so projects |
| 06:30.13 | raster | sheer momentum means i'm unlikely to change |
| 06:30.21 | raster | but i validly get to complain about it |
| 06:30.22 | doc|home | anyone got any guess on delivery costs of a 10 pack to canada? |
| 06:30.28 | raster | because i actually use it so much |
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| 06:30.34 | raster | and mostly use it properly |
| 06:30.53 | raster | kicks autocrap for existing |
| 06:31.04 | raster | damn you autoblob! damn you all to heck! :) |
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| 06:35.02 | hepaajan | kvk: What do mean by autotools method? :) |
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| 06:36.44 | Railer | doc not sure yet have to figure out the customs from china on phones |
| 06:36.52 | raster | there's a default autofunk class in OE |
| 06:37.02 | raster | so if your project uses autoplop |
| 06:37.12 | raster | it knows just how to configure/setup and build it |
| 06:37.18 | raster | set up eenviornment variables etc. |
| 06:37.21 | raster | so a cross-compile works |
| 06:37.34 | doc|home | Railer: even a ball park figure? |
| 06:37.49 | doc|home | Railer: I'm thinking just delivery, not taxes |
| 06:37.49 | raster | Railer: if you get a 10 pack it will come from the .eu distribution center i think |
| 06:37.53 | Railer | 5% gst 7 to 12 for duty |
| 06:37.56 | doc|home | raster: even to canada? |
| 06:37.57 | raster | thats in amsterdam - i think |
| 06:38.07 | doc|home | Railer: gst + pst |
| 06:38.08 | raster | oh canada |
| 06:38.09 | doc|home | ? |
| 06:38.15 | doc|home | yes, oh canada :) |
| 06:38.19 | raster | then id'd come from the freemont distribution hub |
| 06:38.24 | raster | (california-eh) |
| 06:38.26 | doc|home | yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
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| 06:38.33 | Railer | it's where it's built that sets duty |
| 06:39.07 | doc|home | Railer: I'm getting money from people who are wiring it to me but I need to know how much to charge, I'm thinking 369 + gst + pst + delivery/10 |
| 06:39.16 | doc|home | but not sure about delivery :/ |
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| 06:41.14 | Railer | doc what prov? |
| 06:43.26 | doc|home | Railer: BC, you? |
| 06:43.26 | doc|home | awww |
| 06:43.26 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1218f731b980 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. |
| 06:43.26 | Railer | well I would suggest a call to UPS for the info, or a customs broker, or customs canada and do it yourself |
| 06:43.27 | Railer | Alberta |
| 06:44.03 | doc|home | Railer: yeah, but we don't know weight, dimensions, or even that they're actually using ups |
| 06:44.10 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc73d6be3a83b 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-0.9.8g/shared-libs.patch openssl_0.9.8g.bb): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: fix generation of shared libraries (use correct CC) |
| 06:44.10 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rc422d0a9443f 10/packages/openssl/ (7 files): openssl.inc: fix openssl 0.9.8 builds for x86 targets |
| 06:44.11 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r13930440c290 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: bring openssl-native in sync with latest openssl |
| 06:44.12 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rb78f4ce2e2e7 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native: stop leaking target compile flags (FULL_OPTIMIZATION) into native build, it kills kittens. |
| 06:44.14 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r377a3fad9230 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: also fix 0.9.7m and def-pref -1 0.9.8 since it doesn't build |
| 06:44.17 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r63b17bf5b40d 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native_*.bb: do not export CFLAG, this is set by do_configure |
| 06:44.21 | kvk | hepaajan: this is the method im using to build package in moko "http://rafb.net/p/SW526O62.html" |
| 06:44.22 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdfaf715f1f92 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): disapproval of revision '462968658bdc2a3c48a8d634f9be59d450259f49' |
| 06:44.25 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r5e6c4f4a431b 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: remove the CFLAG export, it isn't needed, contrary to my previous build attemps, so everything should work again (including generating vulnerable keys) |
| 06:44.31 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * ra86ab98c5f25 10/packages/openssl/openssl.inc: openssl.inc: add definitions for mips/mipsel (Closes: #4268) |
| 06:44.34 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rd7356ca017e5 10/packages/openssl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: update debian.patch to fix ssl hole (Closes: #4266) |
| 06:45.15 | Railer | ya my guess is it's a little early for the fine details, or even where it's coming from, maybe a seattle port for all we know |
| 06:45.26 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r27d57686aa20 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-0.9.8g/shared-libs.patch openssl_0.9.8g.bb): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: fix generation of shared libraries (use correct CC) |
| 06:45.28 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * ra06a626008df 10/packages/openssl/ (7 files): openssl.inc: fix openssl 0.9.8 builds for x86 targets |
| 06:45.28 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r183faa901591 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: bring openssl-native in sync with latest openssl |
| 06:45.29 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rbd8c260da218 10/packages/openssl/openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb: openssl-native: stop leaking target compile flags (FULL_OPTIMIZATION) into native build, it kills kittens. |
| 06:45.31 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r7a39fa93031e 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: also fix 0.9.7m and def-pref -1 0.9.8 since it doesn't build |
| 06:45.34 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rb33251412e7e 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native_*.bb: do not export CFLAG, this is set by do_configure |
| 06:45.37 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r1944f61928a0 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): disapproval of revision '462968658bdc2a3c48a8d634f9be59d450259f49' |
| 06:45.40 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03koen 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r77f4b3b1e76c 10/packages/openssl/ (openssl-native_0.9.7m.bb openssl-native_0.9.8g.bb): openssl-native: remove the CFLAG export, it isn't needed, contrary to my previous build attemps, so everything should work again (including generating vulnerable keys) |
| 06:45.46 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * rf5e1438cd902 10/packages/openssl/openssl.inc: openssl.inc: add definitions for mips/mipsel (Closes: #4268) |
| 06:45.49 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03jeremy_laine 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r56984226c187 10/packages/openssl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): openssl_0.9.8g.bb: update debian.patch to fix ssl hole (Closes: #4266) |
| 06:47.16 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * rdb1c1eb2b79b 10/packages/python/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [python-etk] Adding patches to python-etk binding. |
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| 06:49.35 | doc|home | Railer: most likely fremont in california, as that's the openmoko north american distribution hub |
| 06:50.24 | bagpuss_thecat | Openmoko shipping, and payday... |
| 06:50.26 | bagpuss_thecat | \o/ |
| 06:50.51 | Railer | see if coming from fremont ups will tell you exactly once you know the weight |
| 06:51.02 | bagpuss_thecat | the wife wants me to wait and listen to feedback before purchasing... |
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| 06:52.31 | Railer | bagpuss tell her its $500 for a dream, so its either gamble on this or its going to the stripers |
| 06:52.46 | rtm | If you do purchase, you'll hear feedback when you make calls. |
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| 06:54.15 | bagpuss_thecat | rtm: successfull feedback, squealing feedback, or whinging feedback? :-) |
| 06:54.33 | rtm | echo feedback. |
| 06:54.36 | bagpuss_thecat | Railer: hmmm, strippers... |
| 06:55.22 | bagpuss_thecat | btw, does tangogps have fireeagle support? |
| 06:56.06 | Railer | no idea |
| 06:56.52 | Railer | there is another project port garman maps |
| 06:57.22 | bagpuss_thecat | googling would suggest that it's being considered for visualgps |
| 06:58.14 | rtm | Does anyone know of a way to feed topo maps to tangoGPS? |
| 07:02.50 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:03.28 | methril | good morning Hopscotch |
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| 07:28.36 | J-23 | Hi! |
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| 07:47.45 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know, which package provides the python urllib module? |
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| 07:48.39 | emdete | python-netclient |
| 07:48.47 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, thanks |
| 07:48.57 | emdete | np |
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| 07:57.45 | Sup3rkiddo | is there a howto somewhere for wifi in the freerunner, i tried iwconfig eth0 essid Odin, and added entries in /etc/resolv.conf, but doesnt seem to work |
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| 08:00.16 | methril | Sup3rkiddo: did you resolved the sane problem in your bb? |
| 08:00.46 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: you need a ip, i.e. via dhcp ... |
| 08:00.47 | Sup3rkiddo | methril, yeah sort of, commented out the package_qa_check_devdbg |
| 08:01.02 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, dhcp is a requirement?...can't do a route add? |
| 08:01.07 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: worked here straight forward... |
| 08:01.21 | Sup3rkiddo | i set the ip manually |
| 08:01.30 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: no, just give it an ip, a dns server and a default route. |
| 08:01.31 | Sup3rkiddo | ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.5 for example |
| 08:01.38 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: yes, |
| 08:01.38 | Sup3rkiddo | i need to give a route |
| 08:01.43 | emdete | and a default route |
| 08:01.47 | emdete | with a gw |
| 08:01.51 | emdete | than dns |
| 08:01.54 | Sup3rkiddo | yeap |
| 08:01.54 | emdete | and you are done |
| 08:02.35 | emdete | doesnt that work? |
| 08:02.57 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah worked...i forgot the route add default gw part |
| 08:03.05 | emdete | :D |
| 08:03.15 | Sup3rkiddo | yay |
| 08:03.44 | emdete | there is nothing special with that - i thought of writing ManuallyUsingWlan as all the other Manually-wikis but that's not needed ... |
| 08:04.11 | Sup3rkiddo | indeed...i never thought of route add |
| 08:04.17 | emdete | :D |
| 08:04.29 | Sup3rkiddo | network applet spoiled all the geekiness in me |
| 08:04.36 | emdete | you should be able to ping all the others in your net without ;) |
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| 08:04.50 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah this fun |
| 08:04.55 | emdete | what do you do with py, http,... ? |
| 08:05.05 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, pylgrim :D |
| 08:05.11 | emdete | :D great! |
| 08:05.28 | Sup3rkiddo | i realised scp'ing the ipks is so boring |
| 08:05.38 | Sup3rkiddo | never realised freerunner had wifi o.o |
| 08:06.11 | emdete | oh, i use forwarding and internet over usb |
| 08:06.49 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, yeah, but that needs iptables...no?....not in a mood to set it up |
| 08:07.09 | emdete | it's just one command - on the hostpc... no prob |
| 08:07.54 | `pwgen` | iptables -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 08:07.58 | Sup3rkiddo | oh!..must try that one as well |
| 08:07.58 | emdete | exact |
| 08:08.28 | `pwgen` | dont forget to enable forwarding !!!! |
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| 08:31.33 | RedDog | I actually don't have many time, but i have a kernel exception, if i call my neo1973 with latest asu-dev. Is this known? If not i could copy'n'paste the exception message in a bug-report. |
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| 08:54.27 | `pwgen` | RedDog: change the syslog to do remote logging, you will have a good chance to get the dump |
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| 08:58.59 | RedDog | `pwgen`: i have a dump, the kernel is still running! ;) |
| 08:59.07 | RedDog | it's only an exception ... |
| 08:59.36 | RedDog | and there is another excetion in the snd-driver. it couldn't create it's sysfs file ... |
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| 09:03.21 | RedDog | is it right, that there is an busybox, sh and bash? |
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| 09:04.33 | zlfita | busybox includes a minimal shell called ash |
| 09:05.10 | zlfita | but i don't know if there is an extra bash in openmoko |
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| 09:05.38 | RedDog | zlfita: i just did: "rm /bin/bash; ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/bash" :) |
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| 09:10.28 | zlfita | i will go to Turkey on 4th july and return to Netherlands in mid-august. what are chances that i can find a freerunner to buy when i return? |
| 09:10.49 | zlfita | delivery to turkey will cost a lot |
| 09:21.46 | zedstar | hmm new maemo update has some AGPS gui app |
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| 09:35.07 | igor321 | hello |
| 09:35.27 | igor321 | freerunner taking a long time to get a fix... is that a hardware issue? |
| 09:35.39 | igor321 | i'm talking bout gps |
| 09:42.03 | tomboy64 | software. |
| 09:42.13 | tomboy64 | the chip's fine and reacts upon poking. |
| 09:42.30 | tomboy64 | it's elaborated in detail on the ml. |
| 09:42.45 | igor321 | k |
| 09:42.48 | igor321 | thanks |
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| 10:48.36 | Sup3rkiddo | wow, the new openmoko portal looks slick |
| 10:49.09 | ebbe | Portal? |
| 10:49.53 | zash | wut, where |
| 10:50.03 | Sup3rkiddo | ya know..openmoko.com |
| 10:50.14 | zash | oh, that |
| 10:50.25 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 10:50.35 | Sup3rkiddo | looks cool...with black an green |
| 10:52.14 | mudyc | green? |
| 10:52.27 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah... |
| 10:53.19 | mudyc | orange is closer than green |
| 10:54.33 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh, it looks like on of those slickly made urban noir |
| 10:55.11 | zash | chunky bacon!! |
| 10:55.32 | Sup3rkiddo | (= |
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| 10:55.57 | zash | wxruby on om? |
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| 11:27.49 | bagpuss_thecat | \o/ |
| 11:27.54 | bagpuss_thecat | pyroute runs on OpenMoko |
| 11:27.59 | debarshi | How is the battery life of the Freerunner (as it is going to be sold in a few weeks) compared to that of the 1973 (with latest updates)? |
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| 11:32.26 | cekay | mmontour, your rec state file didn't work for me :( but thanks for that |
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| 11:40.20 | d3vice | g'afternoon |
| 11:40.26 | d3vice | ahah, great topic |
| 11:40.54 | Tanuva | slashdot lies! *crying* |
| 11:41.22 | d3vice | yep, this really shows we can't believe everything you read |
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| 11:42.53 | xkr47 | but should we believe the topic or slashdot ? :D |
| 11:43.08 | Tanuva | believe in the mailinglist which says believe in the topic :D |
| 11:44.09 | XorA | well /. obviously got its info from somewhere that had never read OM stuff, 500Mhz cpu my ass |
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| 11:45.05 | Mek | the cpu is somewhat understandable, the 4.3" screen is what's really bad... |
| 11:45.32 | Mek | (as the cpu is in fact a 500MHz one, just happening to be underclocked at 400MHz) |
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| 11:46.11 | XorA | I missed the screen size, obviously failed at first parsing error |
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| 11:47.09 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.stable * r4b593b087964 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [netbase] Do not set a nameserver for the usb connection to help apps like assassin |
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| 11:54.15 | zlfita | are these repository updates(see previous message) |
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| 11:55.37 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.asu.dev * r059d17ec84dd 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [srcrev] Upgrade exposure to r50 |
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| 12:08.30 | quitte | hi. could someone here help me with u-boot? i want to safe the flash content before messing something up on a dls router. |
| 12:09.14 | `pwgen` | dfu-util can down and upload jffs2 |
| 12:10.30 | quitte | unfortunately i only have serial access t u-boot so far |
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| 12:13.40 | `pwgen` | a simple dd if=/dev/mtd4 of=/media/card/rootfs.jffs2 will store the rootfs image on sd card ( mtd2->kernel ) |
| 12:17.51 | quitte | sorry i was hopingto find someone familiar with u-boot here. this is kind of offtopic. i don't have shell access,yet |
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| 12:22.14 | `pwgen` | have a look at http://www.embedian.com/index.php?main_page=commandline special / but there is the write/dumppart missing |
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| 12:40.37 | rwhitby | fetch-pack from 'git://git.freesmartphone.org/zhone.git' failed. |
| 12:40.59 | rwhitby | http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.freesmartphone.org.zhone.git.tar.gz - ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 12:41.08 | rwhitby | So how does one compile fso-image? |
| 12:41.10 | methril | quitte: look at #u-boot channel |
| 12:41.39 | methril | and be more specific :) |
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| 12:58.43 | lukhas | hmm, would anyone here remember how many Neo1973 were made? |
| 12:59.12 | lukhas | IIRC, there were 1000 initially sold (quite fast), and a total of 5000 units |
| 12:59.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it was ever published |
| 12:59.37 | SpeedEvil | Speculation - sometime before the end of the sales - was 3K |
| 12:59.45 | SpeedEvil | total volume - based on various figures. |
| 12:59.50 | lukhas | ok |
| 12:59.54 | SpeedEvil | So 5K does not sound completely insane. |
| 13:00.39 | lukhas | ok, thanks |
| 13:00.41 | SpeedEvil | Though if the figures were based on inaccurate foundations, they may of course be widely out. |
| 13:00.47 | lukhas | yeah :) |
| 13:03.27 | kdubois | so if i understand gsm right, since i live in the usa, i have to get the 900/1800/1900 band phone, and it wont work in most of the other parts of the world? |
| 13:03.38 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 13:03.42 | SpeedEvil | 850 |
| 13:03.59 | SpeedEvil | that's the 'other parts of the world' phone |
| 13:04.03 | SpeedEvil | 850 is US only |
| 13:04.08 | methril | and is going to work for 1800/1900 bands in the world :) |
| 13:04.10 | SpeedEvil | I think |
| 13:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Yes, some places require 900 though. |
| 13:04.32 | kdubois | ah, i wish we didnt do things differently here.... |
| 13:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Or have mixed 18/1900 and 900 |
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| 13:04.46 | SpeedEvil | on one provider |
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| 13:08.01 | SpeedEvil | sings. |
| 13:08.28 | SpeedEvil | I want to teach the world to talk on just one frequency. |
| 13:09.14 | rwhitby | can anyone get mickeyterm_git.bb to build? |
| 13:10.04 | rwhitby | aha - the --prefix in the git checkout-index command in the bitbake git fetcher has a ';' in it, which is causing the shell to think it's two commands. |
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| 13:10.11 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: ^^ |
| 13:12.04 | rwhitby | e.g. /home/moko/sources/gi\ |
| 13:12.04 | rwhitby | t_git.freesmartphone.org.python-helpers.git_7b91951addfd51850a23c23ad8ba7f853c4d3416;hb=7b91951addfd5185\ |
| 13:12.04 | rwhitby | 0a23c23ad8ba7f853c4d3416.tar.gz |
| 13:12.21 | rwhitby | wonder where the ';hb=' comes from ... |
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| 13:16.53 | `pwgen` | rwhitby |
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| 13:19.08 | uzytkownik | Hello. As far as I understend the OM will be released 4th of July (according to last CU). Is there any estimation of shipping time (within EU)? |
| 13:19.09 | `pwgen` | rwhitby: 1. dont use mokomake 2: use openembedded as build base. 3. add require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc to your local.conf |
| 13:19.53 | rwhitby | `pwgen`: using moko-autorev.inc is never the correct answer. |
| 13:19.55 | `pwgen` | and fso-autorev.inc..... you build will not be the same as the "official fso-image " |
| 13:20.18 | `pwgen` | rwhitby: its what micky told me |
| 13:20.20 | rwhitby | having someone with commit privs updating sane-srcrevs is the correct alternative to using an autorev |
| 13:20.32 | debarshi | How is the battery life of the Freerunner (as it is going to be sold in a few weeks) compared to that of the 1973 (with latest updates)? |
| 13:20.39 | rwhitby | `pwgen`: and asking *me* not to use mokomakefile is a bit amusing ;-) |
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| 13:21.59 | `pwgen` | rwhitby: i dont know who you are, but you are not the first questioning about fso-image ... |
| 13:22.45 | dvarnes | `pwgen`: rwhitby wrote the mokomakefile |
| 13:23.04 | rwhitby | `pwgen`: the correct answer is to fix line 88 of sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 13:23.08 | `pwgen` | ahhh ... that declares the *me* |
| 13:23.29 | rwhitby | XorA: can you fix that line in om monotone please? |
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| 13:24.27 | rwhitby | `pwgen`: BTW, I wasn't having a go at you - it's just that autorev is never the right answer to tell the community - it should be for bleeding edge internal developers only. the community should always get a stable known good version. |
| 13:24.53 | rwhitby | hence, whoever checked in that bad line in sane-srcrevs.inc violated the rule of testing what you check in. |
| 13:24.53 | XorA | rwhitby: we use git these days :-) |
| 13:25.24 | rwhitby | XorA: right, old habits of speech die hard. |
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| 13:25.29 | XorA | rwhitby: ie mickey|zzZZzz :-) |
| 13:26.01 | rwhitby | XorA: exactly - someone using autorev, but making changes to sane-srcrevs :-) |
| 13:26.10 | mickey|zzZZzz | guilty as charged |
| 13:26.35 | XorA | fuck wrong commit message on wrong file |
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| 13:28.34 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03graeme 07org.openmoko.dev * r7ebd97199912 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [sane-srcrevs] fix rev for mickeyterm |
| 13:28.39 | rwhitby | XorA: thx |
| 13:28.56 | rwhitby | adds "make fso-image" support to mokomakefile |
| 13:29.26 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: it's just 'fso-image', not 'openmoko-fso-image', right? |
| 13:30.06 | mickey|zzZZzz | yep |
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| 13:30.20 | XorA | rwhitby: you got to swith branches as well |
| 13:31.55 | rwhitby | XorA: which branch? |
| 13:32.13 | rwhitby | not org.openmoko.dev ? |
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| 13:33.44 | XorA | org.openembedded.dev |
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| 13:35.04 | rwhitby | XorA: BTW, would you believe that my GTA02 no longer turns on? |
| 13:35.29 | XorA | must be dodgy .au electricity :-D |
| 13:35.44 | rwhitby | even with a fully charged battery (I have an external charger now) and the OM wall charger plugged into USB. |
| 13:36.02 | rwhitby | I'm wondering if I have the same problem as Steve. |
| 13:36.15 | rwhitby | or whether it's just busted. |
| 13:36.53 | rwhitby | thinks that Openmoko hardware just doesn't like him ... |
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| 13:39.13 | rwhitby | XorA: at some stage you guys should change DISTRO_VERSION = "P1-Snapshot-..." ... |
| 13:39.55 | XorA | I have never used the wallcharger, maybe its buggered :-) |
| 13:45.23 | kdubois | does the freerunner have a debug board, and would it be useful if i wanted to port vlc to the phone? |
| 13:45.53 | mickeyl | yes--optional, no |
| 13:46.11 | `pwgen` | hey good morning mickeyl: |
| 13:47.08 | kdubois | mickeyl: by "optional, no" do you mean that its perfectly feasible to port it without the debug board? |
| 13:47.21 | `pwgen` | bad news. the linux-openmoko-devel-git uses another .config as hte fso-kernel, so there are a lot of missing modules, and ig got al lot of segfaults . |
| 13:47.29 | mickeyl | yes, there is a debugboard availble, but it's an optional buy |
| 13:47.44 | mickeyl | no, there's hardly any benefit for a vlc port |
| 13:48.05 | balrog-kun | kdubois: i guess it might be useful, but for userspace the debugboard (hardware debugger) is just as functional as the software debugger |
| 13:48.18 | balrog-kun | plain gdb |
| 13:49.04 | kdubois | alright cool, makes sense |
| 13:49.13 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: yeah, the andy branch is missing some modules. i have added the defconfig to OE again, since we want our own. send me a patch against this defconfig, and i'll enable more stuff |
| 13:50.39 | cekay | anyone knows if the om lists are subscribers can post only? |
| 13:51.17 | mickeyl | pretty likely |
| 13:51.44 | cekay | ok .. i'll resend ;) |
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| 13:54.42 | `pwgen` | how do i get the defconfig from andy's branch, ( what revision was it based ) |
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| 13:56.16 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r23 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: MokoMakefile: Added support for fso-image |
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| 13:57.17 | Pyrasi | ping |
| 13:57.27 | rwhitby | SYN|ACK |
| 13:57.29 | XorA | gnop |
| 13:57.35 | XorA | RES |
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| 13:57.42 | Pyrasi | NAK |
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| 14:08.04 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: take the one from HEAD, there were no changes |
| 14:08.25 | mickeyl | the oe defconfig to compare with is in linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig-<machine> |
| 14:08.45 | Pyrasi | So does anyone know....is running a JVM plausable on the freerunner? or will that just be too much overhead to have anything run efficiently? |
| 14:09.26 | SpeedEvil | It should run. |
| 14:09.33 | SpeedEvil | It will not run very fast. |
| 14:10.07 | SpeedEvil | Consider it as more-or-less a Pentium 200 or similar. |
| 14:10.19 | Pyrasi | hmm. k. |
| 14:10.41 | mjr | and with the 128 megs of ram, java se will be tight |
| 14:10.49 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: the linux/linux-openmoko-devel/defconfig is diffrent to that what is used in the fso-kernel ... cause i do updates in org.openeembedded. ... |
| 14:10.50 | rwhitby | is always amazed at how wrong LinuxDevices gets things ... |
| 14:11.12 | mickeyl | ya, it's different |
| 14:11.14 | mickeyl | it came in later |
| 14:11.21 | mickeyl | fso-kernel was built out of andy's defconfig |
| 14:11.46 | `pwgen` | an there ist no /proc/config.gz .... |
| 14:11.56 | `pwgen` | s/ist/is/ |
| 14:12.37 | mickeyl | ya, we should enable this for reference |
| 14:12.54 | mjr | somebody has run the phoneme j2me thing on qvfb on the neo apparently (I might ask again if now that they've ported qtopia to x11, it runs without qvfb now?) |
| 14:13.17 | rwhitby | woohoo! openmoko-devel-image and fso-image both build from org.openmoko.dev for gta02 :-) |
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| 14:39.28 | angasule | are there any plans to replace the resistive touchscreen with a capacitive one? |
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| 14:40.42 | Pyrasi | From what i have heard GTA04 will still be resistive....but thats just what I've gathered from the mailing lists |
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| 14:41.49 | angasule | err, Neo FR is GTA02, right? where is GTA03? |
| 14:42.17 | mjr | on the drawing board |
| 14:42.51 | Pyrasi | I thought 03 was the dash? |
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| 14:47.21 | angasule | oh, the Neo FR comes with a stylus? neat, I hate using fingers |
| 14:47.33 | mjr | does it? |
| 14:47.44 | swc|666 | i can't wait for the Neo FR |
| 14:47.56 | swc|666 | just hoping i'll be able to get one |
| 14:48.05 | mjr | I dunno, they did say they're gonna cut back on the default accessories, but they did also say that the first shipments will have a bit of extra |
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| 14:48.39 | silwol | hi! |
| 14:48.43 | Pyrasi | the neo 1973 did....im pretty sure FR comes with the same stylus....its a large pen that has a stylus/laser pointer/led light/pen in it. Actually i think only the first x shipments get those pens...until they run out |
| 14:48.53 | swc|666 | it's sad... the 'Group Sales'... no one trusts no one |
| 14:48.54 | mjr | Pyrasi, yeah, something like that |
| 14:48.56 | silwol | is libsdl included in the openmoko or easily installable? |
| 14:49.01 | mjr | silwol, yes |
| 14:49.05 | silwol | thx, great! |
| 14:49.24 | silwol | looking forward to playing this on the phone: http://launchpad.net/freenukum |
| 14:49.26 | silwol | ;-) |
| 14:49.29 | mjr | at least last I checked there was an sdl game per default even, but I dunno with the ASU |
| 14:49.37 | mjr | regardless, easy install if not defaulat |
| 14:51.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.47 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.42 | angasule | I can't afford to buy one now, but I would love a capacitive touchscreen, if those can be used with a tiny stylus (the ones that are like a crayon) |
| 14:53.55 | swc|666 | so if my local group doesn't agree to buy 10 Neo FR's, what are the chances of purchasing a single unit when they come out in the U.S.? |
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| 14:56.29 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.52 | swc|666 | chances, as in being able to buy one when they come out |
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| 14:59.59 | swc|666 | its prolly a dns issue |
| 15:00.01 | swc|666 | oops |
| 15:00.08 | swc|666 | wrong window :p |
| 15:01.02 | gambler | there is no proper place to ask this |
| 15:01.30 | gambler | what is the proper name for that clothing with glittery sparkles on it? |
| 15:01.36 | gambler | (for a funny email I'm writing) |
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| 15:05.33 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:09.10 | gambler | sequins |
| 15:09.30 | angasule | aw, capacitive and styluses don't get along, apparently :( |
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| 15:09.52 | angasule | I'd rather have a stylus than a strong screen, though, fingers are clumsy |
| 15:17.48 | SpeedEvil | hands angasule a SAW. |
| 15:18.02 | angasule | to cut off my fingers? |
| 15:19.02 | SpeedEvil | It's another technology of touchscreen |
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| 15:19.53 | kdubois | fingers have been made obsolete by styluses |
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| 15:30.59 | angasule | aah, surface acoustic wave |
| 15:31.56 | angasule | hmm, dirt will interfere with it |
| 15:32.07 | angasule | wikipedia doesn't mention styluses or anything |
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| 15:58.36 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r93aa4972dddb 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/modems/ti_calypso/ (channel.py mediator.py unsolicited.py): ophoned: add support for remote hold notification |
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| 16:10.40 | sandman__ | is the max rootfs size 61M on the device also |
| 16:11.08 | sandman__ | (as it is in QEMU) |
| 16:11.43 | wurp2 | sandman__: On the 1973, yes |
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| 16:13.30 | sandman__ | I see. How do you usually install anything? Do you put it on /dev/shm or somewhere else? |
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| 16:15.25 | wurp2 | sandman__: I put almost everything I newly install on the sd |
| 16:15.43 | wurp2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.39 | wurp2 | You can add a new destination in the opkg.config, then target that with your opkg install command |
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| 16:16.47 | sandman__ | I see. /etc/fstab had all the answers. thank you |
| 16:16.59 | wurp2 | But afterward you also have to opkg-link |
| 16:17.04 | wurp2 | You're welcome :-) |
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| 16:18.36 | sandman__ | what is the syntax to opkg-link to /media/card (my SD card location) |
| 16:22.29 | sandman__ | never mind, I found it. =) |
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| 16:25.38 | wurp2 | sandman__: Sorry, I'm in & out of the channel, my responses will be a little slow |
| 16:26.11 | wurp2 | sandman__: I recommend creating a subdirectory under /media/card to opkg link to |
| 16:28.43 | hirolau | In Sweden, it is very popular to get a 3g-internet connection to laptops with an usb dongle. The most common hardware device is the HuaWei E220 HSDPA Modem. Would it be possible to connect it to the OpenMoko Freerunner to get high speed 3g connection? |
| 16:29.12 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 16:29.13 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 16:29.25 | SpeedEvil | You will get significantly less battery life. |
| 16:29.43 | SpeedEvil | But otherwise, it appears simply as a PPP/serial device |
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| 16:30.25 | SpeedEvil | Speaking solely of research that I did when looking for eee resources. |
| 16:30.36 | SpeedEvil | (I have not tried this) |
| 16:31.16 | SpeedEvil | I would have - but I can't obtain a contract ATM with one. |
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| 16:33.38 | sandman__ | wurp2: I edited /etc/opkg.conf and put /media/card as the dest root. Is there another step I need to take to link opkg? |
| 16:35.13 | wurp2 | Well, I would use /media/card/opkg as a secondary destination, not as root... |
| 16:35.28 | wurp2 | then when you install, use -d (I think) to specify a destination |
| 16:36.01 | wurp2 | Then after you install, run opkg-link mount /media/card/opkg (I think) to create symlinks |
| 16:36.49 | wurp2 | If you change root, I think installing won't work at all |
| 16:37.06 | wurp2 | In that the files will be installed somewhere that the PATH, LIBPATH, etc. don't know about |
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| 16:37.34 | wurp2 | and opkg-link won't help, because it doesn't know where the root is... that's speculation based on my somewhat fuzzy notions of how opkg installing works, though |
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| 16:38.37 | sandman__ | crap. I didn't backup opkg.conf, what should the root be? |
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| 16:46.58 | wurp2 | I think it's supposed to be / |
| 16:47.00 | wurp2 | sec... |
| 16:49.37 | wurp2 | Yeah, / |
| 16:49.59 | wurp2 | Check that you have opkg-link |
| 16:50.22 | wurp2 | I'm not sure if they ever built one. Early on they only had ipkg-conf, and I had to hack that to make opkg-conf |
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| 16:53.13 | sandman__ | thx.. I don't have opkg-link on the device. bitbake on the host side or should I download it from somewhere? |
| 16:53.29 | wurp2 | Can you opkg install ipkg-link? |
| 16:53.52 | wurp2 | Are you running a ScaredyCat release? |
| 16:54.07 | wurp2 | 'cause the repositories seem broken for regular 2007.2 releases :-( |
| 16:54.10 | sandman__ | I have his repository in my list. |
| 16:56.07 | sandman__ | opkg install ipkg-link - can't find package |
| 16:56.23 | lukhas | it's in ipkg-utils, IIRC |
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| 16:56.37 | lukhas | at least it used to, last winter summer :) |
| 16:57.05 | wurp2 | I don't think I'll be able to help any more :-( I don't have network access to my neo here, and I've been copying my opkg-link script to my new installs each time |
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| 16:58.39 | wurp2 | and I should probably work, too ;-) |
| 16:58.59 | sandman__ | ipkg-utils doesn't work either, but I have it on the host side =)). Thanks for the help! |
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| 17:02.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rffbbabdaa093 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/ (gsm/channel.py modems/ti_calypso/channel.py): |
| 17:02.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: framework: remove last bits of TI Calypso specific channel handling out VirtualChannel |
| 17:02.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: and put it into CalypsoModemChannel. VirtualChannel is now completely generic (*phew*) |
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| 17:02.55 | mickeyl | shoragan: note the commit |
| 17:03.07 | mickeyl | shoragan: lowlevel init is now out of the VC |
| 17:03.18 | mickeyl | should work better with your card now |
| 17:04.24 | lukhas | ah, speaking of that, it's been a long time since I flashed my Neo, should I give a try to ASU or stick with 2007.2 for now ? |
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| 17:05.40 | wurp2 | lukhas: I wouldn't flash it at all... |
| 17:05.51 | lukhas | why ? |
| 17:05.57 | wurp2 | 2007.2 is broken last I checked, and so is ASU |
| 17:06.01 | lukhas | oh |
| 17:06.07 | wurp2 | If you look at snapshot reviews, the last good one was 5/7 |
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| 17:06.31 | lukhas | been a long time sine I saw a daily snaphsot review, too :) |
| 17:06.33 | wurp2 | I flashed, and then finally got mine working again by reflashing a ScaredyCat release, but I still don't have a couple of things that worked before |
| 17:06.45 | kdean06 | lukhas, It's been a long time since there's been a usable snapshot. |
| 17:06.48 | h3sham | i was wondering if it's possible to connect a usb webcam to freerunner? |
| 17:06.51 | wurp2 | like vt100 emulation and a good sw keyboard |
| 17:06.54 | lukhas | kdean06: I see |
| 17:07.05 | lukhas | I'll stick with my oldish snapshot then |
| 17:07.06 | wurp2 | h3sham: Yep, if you can get the driver ported :-) |
| 17:07.20 | kdean06 | I stopped doing them because every Openmoko image, literally, everyone, was broken and "pre-alpha" so I didn't even bother. |
| 17:07.36 | lukhas | too bad |
| 17:07.37 | kdean06 | I use Qtopia on my 1973, if that says something. |
| 17:07.50 | h3sham | wurp2: any projects you know? |
| 17:08.14 | kdean06 | And I was hopeful for the ASU, but I'm confused now... I thought the ASU and the Framework were the front and back ends of "Openmoko" but now I have reason to doubt that... |
| 17:08.23 | wurp2 | h3sham: Nope :-( |
| 17:08.35 | kdean06 | So I'm nto sure what is "official" and what isn't, and that clarification is very slow in coming. |
| 17:09.08 | wurp2 | kdean06: Have you asked on the lists? The volume was getting high, so I filter the lists to a folder and rarely read them any more |
| 17:09.08 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: i made an gta01 "andy" image with removed debug code ant its working very well ( no segfaults ) . now i add the /proc/config and put it on my page |
| 17:09.17 | kdean06 | I've got one more "plus" for hte forum versus mailing list thing. :P |
| 17:09.31 | kdean06 | Forums don't autocomplete and send messages to public mailing lists. :P |
| 17:09.33 | ||Leto|| | i prefer the list, really |
| 17:09.34 | mickeyl | pwgen: ok, very helpful. thanks! |
| 17:09.42 | mickeyl | pwgen: URI? |
| 17:09.56 | ||Leto|| | and what i read over the state of the software lately makes me think about buying the fr twice :-| |
| 17:10.09 | kdean06 | wurp2, I'm getting close to the point of unsubscribing, honestly. |
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| 17:10.16 | kdean06 | For much the same reason. |
| 17:10.23 | ||Leto|| | and i'm not gonna buy anything from om if gta03 will really contain a camera :( |
| 17:10.28 | kdean06 | Plus... I am coming to hate mailing lists. :P |
| 17:10.30 | ||Leto|| | sights |
| 17:10.33 | ||Leto|| | sighs |
| 17:10.35 | `pwgen` | http://eric-weiss.dyndns.org/trac/wiki/openmoko |
| 17:11.01 | kdean06 | wurp2, I've sent a personal e-mail to mickey, but he typically responds pretty slowly. |
| 17:11.34 | kdean06 | But he was pretty willing to explain the framework before, but I held a misconception I suppose. |
| 17:11.56 | mickeyl | actually i'm planning to put a blog post together trying to explain the big picture |
| 17:11.59 | mickeyl | but that will take me a while |
| 17:12.12 | mickeyl | i'm working on it though |
| 17:12.13 | lukhas | mickeyl: that will certainly help all of us |
| 17:12.25 | lukhas | and of course it takes time |
| 17:12.35 | mickeyl | note that not even I have the full vision, but i'll do my very best ;) |
| 17:12.52 | lukhas | Sean MP gave me the same answer :) |
| 17:13.24 | kdean06 | :) |
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| 17:13.30 | lukhas | it would be perfect if you could finish your post before next Tuesday, so that I can reuse your Big Picture stuff into my presentation |
| 17:13.31 | kdean06 | Faie enough. :) |
| 17:13.39 | kdean06 | Geeze. |
| 17:13.50 | kdean06 | Perhaps I need to stop blaming Gmail and learn to type. :S |
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| 17:14.04 | lukhas | if not, I'll just skip the FSO/ASU part :) |
| 17:15.02 | kdean06 | The Framework has me excited. |
| 17:15.10 | lukhas | which one? :) |
| 17:15.19 | mickeyl | lukhas: that should be possible |
| 17:15.22 | kdean06 | If that's not the backside of the ASU, then I'm gonna stop drooling over the framework. :P |
| 17:15.25 | lukhas | mickeyl: great |
| 17:15.26 | mickeyl | i plan to do it on weekend |
| 17:15.41 | kdean06 | I like the zhone launcher, love the features in the roadmap (call waiting!). |
| 17:15.52 | lukhas | kdean06: FSO is more long term than ASU, ASU will use parts of it |
| 17:15.59 | lukhas | that's all I got from Sean |
| 17:16.22 | lukhas | and FSO is one layer under ASU |
| 17:16.32 | kdean06 | lukhas, That's what I assumed, but... It's becoming a bit more clear, IMO, that there IS no set direction yet. |
| 17:16.35 | lukhas | also, I love all those TLA we tend to use |
| 17:16.45 | wurp2 | That's good news. I got the impression that FSO had no official standing |
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| 17:16.58 | wurp2 | or at least ambiguous official standing |
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| 17:21.39 | `pwgen` | has anyone played with kexec and openmoko ? |
| 17:24.54 | lukhas | curses evince for crashing every 3 times it reloads a PDF |
| 17:25.17 | lukhas | (and for taking down all instances of evince at the same time) |
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| 17:25.46 | kdean06 | Ouch. |
| 17:27.33 | lukhas | kdean06: oh, BTW, your "photo tour of the ASU" no longer features photos :) |
| 17:27.43 | kdean06 | I know. :( |
| 17:28.09 | kdean06 | I had a double RAID failure last week and lost anything newer than 3 months old that wasn't cached on Google. |
| 17:28.17 | lukhas | ouche |
| 17:28.19 | kdean06 | I've got the images still, just haven't had time to replace them. |
| 17:28.25 | lukhas | I see |
| 17:28.27 | kdean06 | I'll get to it this weekend, hopefully. |
| 17:28.32 | lukhas | ok |
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| 17:29.31 | `pwgen` | wich tool was used to draw the Big Picture stuff on wiki/OpenmokoFramework ? |
| 17:30.09 | lukhas | looks like a Dia / Inkscape drawing |
| 17:30.18 | lukhas | or MS Visio :) |
| 17:30.31 | XorA|gone | Visio wouldnt suprise me from mickeyl :-) |
| 17:30.37 | lukhas | hehe |
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| 17:32.25 | lukhas | mickeyl: btw, what's the license of this image ? |
| 17:32.38 | lukhas | can I reuse in slides for a presentation ? |
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| 17:32.55 | `pwgen` | ../org.openembedded.dev/packages/inkscape/inkscape_0.43.bb *FG* |
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| 17:34.04 | mickeyl | the picture was made with OmniGraffle on a Mac |
| 17:34.07 | mickeyl | license is CC |
| 17:34.12 | mickeyl | feel free to use |
| 17:34.19 | lukhas | ok, thanks |
| 17:34.37 | lukhas | I'll probably have a hard time commenting it though :) |
| 17:36.04 | mickeyl | ya, high level docu is needed |
| 17:36.19 | mickeyl | but until we have something that is a bit stable, I won't go into high level docu |
| 17:36.26 | mickeyl | i will docu APIs until then |
| 17:36.30 | lukhas | makes sense |
| 17:36.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.18 | mickeyl | FSO has full support from Openmoko. |
| 17:37.46 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rf03f4cceb655 10/framework/objectquery.py: controller: use a specific dbus interface to work with our current dbus security policy |
| 17:37.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r34aa47aab84e 10/ (framework/framework setup.py): framework: add a generic interactive console |
| 17:38.20 | mickeyl | smiles reading the comments |
| 17:38.25 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.57 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: resume is gone faster without debug kernel ... 1 ringtone - vibration before the 2. ringtone sound is playing (:-)) |
| 17:40.17 | mickeyl | that sounds good |
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| 17:42.50 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: but i got kernel messages http://pastebin.com/m2bda8f1e |
| 17:43.31 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:43.34 | mickeyl | out of my depth here |
| 17:43.39 | mickeyl | you should take that up to openmoko-kernel |
| 17:43.53 | mickeyl | I'm still a userland-only guy |
| 17:44.19 | `pwgen` | to whom can i give that ? |
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| 17:44.41 | ramaya | hello guys |
| 17:45.13 | ramaya | do u know when is release of freerunner ? |
| 17:45.22 | ramaya | the release * |
| 17:45.29 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.47 | ramaya | i am from greece... |
| 17:45.57 | ramaya | i prefer the price of 400 $ |
| 17:46.08 | lukhas | you'll have to pay VAT over this price |
| 17:46.12 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: andy green, mwester, Sean McNeil on openmoko-devel are the best candidates for fixing the remaining suspend issues |
| 17:46.56 | ramaya | at 4th of july will it be available on openmoko.com ? |
| 17:47.03 | lukhas | ramaya: that's the plan |
| 17:47.18 | lukhas | around the 4th, at least |
| 17:47.55 | ramaya | do you have any screenshot or something with the asu ? cause on youtube the most videos i think are with the old os |
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| 17:48.39 | Sup3rkiddo | i wonder, today i had my wifi in the freerunner switched on and i realised that i could ssh into it from a laptop without problems...:(, |
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| 17:49.01 | lukhas | great |
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| 17:49.17 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.19 | lukhas | did you try setting a password for the root account? |
| 17:49.28 | `pwgen` | ok lets keep an eye on mwester. i added the same image with /proc/config.gz support |
| 17:49.29 | lukhas | will that prevent you from logging in? |
| 17:49.33 | lukhas | (should not) |
| 17:49.36 | ramaya | and do u have any idea about the browser ? if there is any improvement ... comparing to that video http://youtube.com/watch?v=btY2SFVrOsc |
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| 17:50.02 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.03 | Sup3rkiddo | lukhas, well na...since i didnt set a root, since my wifi router doesnt have an antenna and hence has very little range |
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| 17:50.42 | Sup3rkiddo | but imagine this, you go to a public AP, someone ssh's into your phone and deletes all that pr0n |
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| 17:51.31 | ramaya | what's the default root password ? |
| 17:51.38 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.40 | lukhas | <empty> |
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| 17:52.00 | Sup3rkiddo | but its just a matter of passwd |
| 17:52.06 | Sup3rkiddo | anyway |
| 17:52.07 | lukhas | anyway, this phone is not intended for people who do not know how to change a root password :) |
| 17:52.10 | lukhas | not yet |
| 17:52.10 | Sup3rkiddo | damn lag |
| 17:52.22 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe true |
| 17:52.23 | ramaya | ok... iphone also had this ... but that's not a problem |
| 17:52.36 | lukhas | there was no ssh enabled by default on the iphone |
| 17:52.39 | ramaya | you must change tha password... |
| 17:52.47 | ramaya | ok.. no by default |
| 17:52.56 | lukhas | so it's kinda different |
| 17:53.03 | lukhas | hopefully, it will be fixed some way |
| 17:53.05 | Sup3rkiddo | i think OM runs dropbear |
| 17:53.10 | lukhas | yes |
| 17:53.20 | lukhas | at least it used to, last time I checked |
| 17:53.28 | ramaya | ok.. what do u know abou the browser ? |
| 17:53.39 | lukhas | very basic |
| 17:53.46 | lukhas | it's a beta os, after all |
| 17:53.49 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.57 | lukhas | I think so too |
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| 17:54.14 | ramaya | what i like on iphone is the way that you zoom on browser |
| 17:54.25 | lukhas | no multitouch on the FR |
| 17:54.32 | lukhas | so you can forget it for the moment :) |
| 17:54.35 | ramaya | hm... ok.. |
| 17:54.43 | ramaya | maybe the next :p |
| 17:55.00 | doc|work | well, you can probably zoom on the browser without multitouch :) just need to use gestures |
| 17:55.10 | lukhas | right |
| 17:55.26 | doc|work | if such a thing exists (which I doubt it does just yet) |
| 17:55.30 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.52 | ramaya | ok ... but does the browser show the whole web page on the screen ? |
| 17:56.19 | ramaya | or a part of the page ? |
| 17:56.27 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.45 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.00 | ramaya | and something else... what about the video on openmoko |
| 17:57.17 | ramaya | i mean the quality of video player |
| 17:57.21 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Have you tried resetting the root password? |
| 17:57.30 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.37 | doc|work | ramaya: 320x240 should be playable at a usable fps |
| 17:57.53 | doc|work | you'll need to reencode files |
| 17:58.04 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, on it...booting the neo |
| 17:58.34 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I thought I saw someone say that there was some weird issue with it |
| 17:58.45 | Sup3rkiddo | whoever put that picture of boots on the booting screen.....:P |
| 17:58.47 | wurp2 | Hopefully I dreamed it, or they were full of crap |
| 17:58.52 | ramaya | and u can watch video on the non vertical side ? |
| 17:58.52 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i see |
| 17:59.03 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: which stack are you running? |
| 17:59.03 | lukhas | Sup3rkiddo: that's raster I think |
| 17:59.11 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.17 | wurp2 | ah, ASU I guess |
| 17:59.28 | lukhas | yes, the boots are on ASU |
| 17:59.29 | doc|work | ramaya: yep, rotation is possible |
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| 17:59.48 | ramaya | nice... |
| 17:59.50 | wurp2 | I didn't realize that was good enough for anyone not fixing bugs to be running :-) |
| 18:00.24 | wurp2 | doc|work: dya know if it's supported when the glamo is driving things, e.g. during mpeg4 playback? |
| 18:00.40 | wurp2 | Of course, even if it doesn't you can always transpose x & y when you transcode |
| 18:00.51 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, passwd works |
| 18:00.59 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Excellent, thanks! |
| 18:01.07 | Sup3rkiddo | its on OM as well, (the boots) |
| 18:01.07 | lukhas | Sup3rkiddo: can you still log in after boot ? |
| 18:01.14 | Sup3rkiddo | oh wait. |
| 18:01.16 | doc|work | wurp2: it is, and it's hardware run too :) |
| 18:01.18 | Sup3rkiddo | lemme check that |
| 18:01.19 | lukhas | (with a root password) |
| 18:01.27 | lukhas | that would be good :) |
| 18:01.31 | wurp2 | doc|work: excellent! |
| 18:01.50 | doc|work | wurp2: check back a bit on planet.o.o There was info there |
| 18:01.57 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: You're running a recent 2007.2 release? |
| 18:02.03 | wurp2 | doc|work: OK, looking |
| 18:02.11 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i ran the latest build, |
| 18:02.18 | Sup3rkiddo | both ASU and OM2007.2 |
| 18:02.28 | Sup3rkiddo | both had boots |
| 18:02.32 | ramaya | from the experience tha u have using freerunner... what's the perfomance (slow/quick etc.) |
| 18:02.40 | Sup3rkiddo | the themes in OM are now more glossy |
| 18:02.42 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I didn't know 2007.2 was back in any shape for someone to run, either |
| 18:02.44 | Sup3rkiddo | like orange candies |
| 18:02.57 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i didnt test the telephone part of it |
| 18:03.05 | Sup3rkiddo | FSO and ASU worked |
| 18:03.07 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: heh, what about term? Emulation working? |
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| 18:03.16 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah |
| 18:03.24 | Sup3rkiddo | one of those weeks where everything works :P |
| 18:03.26 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: As in, does backspace erase prior character instead of inserting a space? |
| 18:03.33 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Wow, time to update |
| 18:03.42 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, in the term? |
| 18:03.45 | wurp2 | kdean06: Are you gonna review? :-) |
| 18:03.45 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah that works |
| 18:03.49 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: yeah |
| 18:04.08 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: That's great! That was broken for a long time recently |
| 18:04.23 | Sup3rkiddo | tab completion works as well (assuming it didnt) |
| 18:04.25 | wurp2 | I thought 2007.2 was gonna be unsupported, and broken stuff was gonna stay broken |
| 18:04.26 | kdean06 | Review what? |
| 18:04.43 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: It did complete, but it didn't necessarily look right |
| 18:04.46 | Sup3rkiddo | ooops...dang..i forgot my root password |
| 18:04.56 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
| 18:04.56 | wurp2 | kdean06: apparently 2007.2 release is more or less working again |
| 18:05.02 | Sup3rkiddo | now i have to flash it again |
| 18:05.11 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Sorry :-( |
| 18:05.11 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, oh ok |
| 18:05.16 | Sup3rkiddo | ah |
| 18:05.19 | Sup3rkiddo | now i remember |
| 18:05.22 | Sup3rkiddo | its passwordx |
| 18:05.47 | Sup3rkiddo | sounds like a password with an "attitude" |
| 18:06.15 | Sup3rkiddo | yep...rebooting works |
| 18:06.39 | kdean06 | wurp2, Frankly, with the 2007.02 releases not actually being developed, no, not interested. |
| 18:06.42 | ramaya | how much is the booting time ? |
| 18:06.59 | Sup3rkiddo | i'd say it compares to a desktop |
| 18:07.27 | ramaya | i deppends the desktop.... if it is windows :pp |
| 18:07.36 | kdean06 | I really want to focus more or less on "official" things. I still poke at it, but since the 2007.02 has a rather limited media player, it's cumbersome for me to actually use. |
| 18:07.57 | lukhas | port mplayer! |
| 18:08.01 | wurp2 | kdean06: Weren't you telling me before that you liked the media player? ;-) |
| 18:08.07 | kdean06 | No. |
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| 18:08.17 | lukhas | he was probably mentioning qtopia's media player |
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| 18:08.27 | ramaya | do we have application for documents , pdf etc. ? |
| 18:08.30 | kdean06 | I don't "like" Qtopia's media player, but it's hand-down the best one so far. |
| 18:08.37 | lukhas | ramaya: not yet |
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| 18:08.50 | lukhas | be lucky if you can call reliably, right now |
| 18:08.52 | wurp2 | lukhas: I thought there was one for pdf? |
| 18:08.53 | kdean06 | I do two things every day - delete yesterday's podcast and fastforward my audio. |
| 18:09.06 | lukhas | that's called beta software |
| 18:09.20 | lukhas | wurp2: don't remember reading this |
| 18:09.21 | kdean06 | There's no "delete" button on the openmoko-mediaplayer2 and can't fast forward. :P |
| 18:09.23 | ramaya | lukhas: all that for freerunner ? |
| 18:09.28 | lukhas | but I may be wrong |
| 18:09.35 | Sup3rkiddo | changing the track when you shake the device would be coooool |
| 18:09.39 | lukhas | ramaya: yes |
| 18:09.50 | ramaya | lukhas: not sure even for calling ? |
| 18:09.51 | lukhas | Sup3rkiddo: don't run while listening to music then :) |
| 18:09.56 | ramaya | xm.. interesting |
| 18:09.56 | lukhas | ramaya: "pretty sure" |
| 18:10.06 | Sup3rkiddo | lukhas, well bleh, yeah..didnt think of that |
| 18:10.07 | lukhas | but it's still beta software |
| 18:10.18 | ramaya | yes but beta is testing |
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| 18:10.36 | lukhas | hm, afk, time to find food |
| 18:10.49 | ramaya | i suppose when will be the official releas will have the non beta software |
| 18:10.56 | kdean06 | 2007.02 is "dead" software. :P ASU and FSO are pre-alpha. |
| 18:11.27 | aevin | FSO is acronym for ... ? |
| 18:11.30 | tomboy64 | what's fso standing for? |
| 18:11.33 | Blackhex2 | Hello, I'm soon becaming an owner of Neo FreeRunner and I want to ask if there is comtatible battery on market and which type it may be, please? |
| 18:11.41 | lukhas | FreeSmartphone.Org |
| 18:11.48 | tomboy64 | ahhh |
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| 18:11.59 | lukhas | Blackhex2: check on the wiki, I think that they are listed somewhere |
| 18:12.14 | tomboy64 | blackhex i heard some nokia batteries are. check out the wiki-hardware pages. |
| 18:12.44 | Blackhex2 | lukhas: I'll check it one, i only saw that its sanyo CT-GTA02 which is probably only for neo's since google don't give any other references |
| 18:13.02 | Sup3rkiddo | 1200mA |
| 18:13.26 | Sup3rkiddo | 1200mAH even |
| 18:13.42 | zash | mAh |
| 18:13.52 | Blackhex2 | and I haven't seen possibility to buy additional one on pulster where I'm buing the neo |
| 18:14.08 | lukhas | ha! Bearstech will sell them :) |
| 18:14.21 | lukhas | when I find time to update the store and dig into HTML |
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| 18:16.03 | ramaya | i think that after the release of openmoko we will have a lot of new software |
| 18:16.37 | ramaya | maybe it's a matter of time |
| 18:16.42 | lukhas | ramaya: yes, definitely |
| 18:16.49 | Blackhex2 | "It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C" |
| 18:16.56 | SpeedEvil | It's not |
| 18:17.13 | SpeedEvil | It's sort-of. The freerunner will not charge it. |
| 18:17.29 | summatusmentis | it's sort of a shame there's no 'working' os for the FR |
| 18:17.30 | ramaya | like iphone... after the release... people they made so many apps |
| 18:17.33 | Blackhex2 | yes I read it, so is there any full-compatible battery? |
| 18:17.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:17.57 | wurp2 | lukhas: epdfview, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Epdfview |
| 18:18.07 | lukhas | ah |
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| 18:18.11 | lukhas | I stand corrected |
| 18:18.12 | lukhas | thanks |
| 18:18.18 | wurp2 | np. I wasn't sure about it |
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| 18:18.42 | wurp2 | BTW, wiki.openmoko.org search sucks balls. Googling "site:wiki.openmoko.org search terms" works much better |
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| 18:20.07 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: are you on? |
| 18:21.07 | ramaya | if u put 8gb sd card... would be a problem ? |
| 18:21.40 | SpeedEvil | 8G works |
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| 18:21.48 | SpeedEvil | 16-32 should too |
| 18:21.55 | Blackhex2 | SpeedEvil: cool |
| 18:22.04 | SpeedEvil | >32 probably will - but that will require a new kernel probably |
| 18:22.35 | Blackhex2 | If I find a time. I'll try to port subset of GRASS :-) |
| 18:23.06 | wurp2 | Blackhex2: link? |
| 18:23.18 | Blackhex2 | http://grass.itc.it/ |
| 18:25.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rbc40b7d8223a 10/otapi/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:25.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: OTAPI: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetSignalStrength() -> int and the concomitant signal |
| 18:25.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE that implementing the signal is OPTIONAL, since there is no unsolicited response code for |
| 18:25.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: signal strength changes in GSM 07.07 |
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| 18:27.03 | ramaya | does anyone know something about android phones ? |
| 18:27.12 | Sup3rkiddo | the cake is a lie |
| 18:27.38 | Blackhex2 | ramaya: I read recent news that it should be resleased at the end of year |
| 18:28.08 | ramaya | what is funny about android is there is the software but no a phone... |
| 18:28.25 | Blackhex2 | yeah, I saw few videos at youtube |
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| 18:29.08 | Blackhex2 | but interesting about hardware is that it has multitouch screen, iirc |
| 18:29.17 | bricode | Some of the Android demos were Qualcomm development platforms. |
| 18:29.58 | ramaya | it sounds nice... but we have to wait a lot |
| 18:31.11 | Qwell | and it's all java. meh |
| 18:31.14 | ramaya | i was ready to buy an iphone... but i didn't .. now we have iphone 3g... but i don't like all the tactic of apple |
| 18:31.36 | ramaya | and something open sounds good |
| 18:31.42 | russellb | java ftmfl |
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| 18:31.54 | ramaya | that's why i look openmoko |
| 18:32.15 | ramaya | i think it's a special version of java |
| 18:32.20 | russellb | O.O |
| 18:32.39 | ramaya | from google because they have some special libraries |
| 18:33.44 | mjr | read: incompatible version of java |
| 18:34.02 | mjr | the vm is also different |
| 18:34.15 | Sup3rkiddo | it doesnt compile to java bytecode afaik |
| 18:34.20 | ramaya | openmoko is in python ? |
| 18:34.30 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.02 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.02 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.24 | ramaya | asu means august software update ? |
| 18:36.36 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.38 | ramaya | so we are waitining for something new |
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| 18:37.11 | ramaya | waiting* |
| 18:37.17 | kgilmer | Sup3rkiddo, yeah it's java in terms of language syntax and classpath but the bytecode and execution models are not java. |
| 18:37.45 | Sup3rkiddo | i guess thats because of staying clear of problems with sun |
| 18:38.24 | Sup3rkiddo | *yawn*...good night |
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| 18:40.16 | TAsn | the week of the 4th of july is the following week :) |
| 18:40.36 | TAsn | i wish everything will go as planned. |
| 18:40.40 | ramaya | i am curious to see the first opinions |
| 18:40.49 | ramaya | and more videos on youtube |
| 18:41.08 | TAsn | ramaya, same here... |
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| 18:41.37 | TAsn | i also wish to buy one though. |
| 18:41.49 | ramaya | me too... but i want to see more things |
| 18:41.56 | wurp2 | It seemsa pretty safe bet now... apparently it's already shipping to distributors |
| 18:42.34 | TAsn | wurp2, supposed to, though no official statement, or is there? |
| 18:42.46 | ramaya | what is important for me is price... i dont like the european price.. |
| 18:43.05 | TAsn | what's the european price? |
| 18:43.15 | ramaya | about 350 euros |
| 18:43.27 | TAsn | and in the us? 400$? |
| 18:43.39 | lukhas | we sell it at 320 euros including VAT |
| 18:43.39 | ramaya | the official price is 400$ |
| 18:43.42 | lukhas | plus shipping |
| 18:43.58 | lukhas | I expect the other EU resellers will have roughly the same price |
| 18:44.04 | lukhas | under 350 EUR |
| 18:44.06 | ramaya | so.. i think via openmoko.com will be cheaper |
| 18:44.10 | TAsn | are there two different models? or is the eu and us the same? |
| 18:44.20 | lukhas | ramaya: provided you don't pay VAT :) |
| 18:44.25 | TAsn | (antennas wise) |
| 18:44.31 | ramaya | eu is always more expensive |
| 18:44.50 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.58 | lukhas | ramaya: that's because resellers have to charge you for VAT |
| 18:45.14 | lukhas | that's 50 euros in our case (Bearstech, France) |
| 18:45.21 | lukhas | plus the warranty, required by law |
| 18:45.23 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.23 | ramaya | the VAT depends on where is the place of the item |
| 18:45.24 | TAsn | Pyrasi, for sure? does that mean i can't buy a phone that will work in eu in the us? |
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| 18:45.45 | ramaya | in greece if u buy something from usa u have to pay tax i think |
| 18:46.00 | ramaya | but i think from asia u don't ... i am not sure... |
| 18:46.01 | lukhas | yes of course, you always have to pay VAT when importing |
| 18:46.29 | lukhas | most of the time they don't bother charging you at the frontier, though |
| 18:46.36 | ramaya | yes but inside europe you donta have to pay |
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| 18:46.55 | TAsn | Pyrasi, :( |
| 18:46.55 | lukhas | inside europe, you pay the VAT from the selling country and that's all |
| 18:46.59 | ramaya | here we make some tricks to avoid vat... :p |
| 18:47.29 | lukhas | TAsn: that's because some rural parts of the USA have 850 instead of 900 |
| 18:47.48 | lukhas | there were some maps exchanged on the ML few monthes ago |
| 18:47.49 | ramaya | the seller send the item as gift... and with lower price written outside the box |
| 18:48.05 | doc|work | ramaya: om are highly unlikely to do that |
| 18:48.13 | lukhas | yeah right, and when there is a control, both pay hugh fines |
| 18:48.28 | TAsn | so i will be able to use my eu phone in the us? |
| 18:48.32 | ramaya | here many do that... |
| 18:48.37 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.52 | lukhas | TAsn: depends on where you go, I'd say |
| 18:48.58 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.05 | TAsn | nyc for instance... |
| 18:49.16 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.29 | doc|work | anyone know if it's possible to get one european phone in a box of 10? |
| 18:50.48 | aevin | doc|work: i don't think that's possible. |
| 18:50.52 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.53 | doc|work | shame :/ |
| 18:51.07 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:53.52 | doc|work | ok |
| 18:53.54 | doc|work | will do |
| 18:56.39 | wurp2 | I would think you could by an eu triband phone in the us, or vice versa |
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| 18:57.15 | wurp2 | 1900 coverage is fairly good in the US. As long as you don't go into rural areas, you should be OK |
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| 18:57.55 | summatusmentis | and in some rural areas there isn't even 850Mhz :-/ |
| 18:58.13 | wurp2 | based purely on my experience of using a 1900 phone in the Dallas area + some 350 mile trips around here |
| 18:58.18 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: Yeah :-( |
| 18:58.29 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.48 | summatusmentis | don't go to Maine, or western MN |
| 18:59.00 | summatusmentis | they only sort of have 850Mhz, and no 1900 |
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| 19:02.04 | wurp2 | Pyrasi: I'm on a GoPhone plan |
| 19:02.21 | wurp2 | I pay $40/month for more minutes than I almost ever use, and it rolls over |
| 19:02.30 | wurp2 | and another $20/month for unlimited internet |
| 19:02.35 | wurp2 | No contract |
| 19:02.39 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.45 | wurp2 | Prolly not the cheapest |
| 19:02.53 | wurp2 | but I hate contracts for cell service |
| 19:04.29 | nuclear_eclipse | T-Mobile has a data plan for $6/mo that gives you outbound access to port 80 only, so you can at least browse the web, but I don't yet have a moko to try it with... |
| 19:05.00 | nuclear_eclipse | I've only used it with my laptop by using my RAZR as a modem |
| 19:05.17 | wurp2 | nuclear_eclipse: Wow, use a tunneling proxy to your home machine's ssh running on port 80, and that would be pretty nice |
| 19:05.29 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2: exactly :) |
| 19:05.35 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.37 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.57 | wurp2 | When you say port 80 only, do you mean 80 + 443? |
| 19:06.09 | wurp2 | That's the arrangement at work. I'm tunneling out over 443 right now. |
| 19:06.29 | nuclear_eclipse | and the T-Mobile reps (at least when I did this) say I could use the RAZR as a modem that way, so I'm assuming it's not against TOS |
| 19:06.40 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2: I never tried port 443 |
| 19:06.42 | Qwell | nuclear_eclipse: They lied. |
| 19:07.37 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.39 | wurp2 | nuclear_eclipse: 443 = https |
| 19:07.40 | nuclear_eclipse | well, it wasn't the store reps, it was a CSR on the official line, so I can't imagine they had anything to gain |
| 19:07.45 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.02 | Qwell | s/lied/were misinformed/ |
| 19:08.05 | nuclear_eclipse | Pyrasi: depends on the phone's firmware |
| 19:08.40 | nuclear_eclipse | if they're like Verizon, they might cripple the bluetooth if you don't pay the extra fee |
| 19:09.36 | mmu_man | btw, how does the FCC handle Neo ? |
| 19:10.05 | doc|work | mmu_man: with tongs |
| 19:10.10 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.33 | mmu_man | for wifi (and phones I suppose) hw makers take the "excuse" that FCC forbids making possible for the user to exceed standardized powers to avoid opening the specs... |
| 19:10.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Pyrasi: that would be my understanding |
| 19:11.09 | doc|work | mmu_man: yeah, that's why the chips are so closed |
| 19:11.38 | doc|work | that and chip manufacturers not getting it :/ |
| 19:12.13 | mmu_man | of course it's void because someone who really wants to can RE the driver anyway |
| 19:12.26 | mmu_man | just like with nvidia not wanting to open because of "trade secret" |
| 19:12.38 | mmu_man | you can bet ATI aready has the source of the driver before it's even released |
| 19:12.48 | doc|work | Pyrasi: theoretically they could have a transparent proxy which checks the user agent, but if it's at&t they probably subcontract that to the NSA |
| 19:12.50 | mmu_man | as always it only impairs FOSS driver writers :-( |
| 19:12.52 | ramaya | the only way to charge battery is vua usb ? |
| 19:13.00 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.42 | wurp2 | ramaya: No, you can use any usb charger |
| 19:13.49 | doc|work | ramaya: the charger socket is a usb charger, there's a wall wart which you can use. Same as motorola |
| 19:13.52 | wurp2 | ramaya: But you want one that supplies at least 500 mA |
| 19:13.58 | doc|work | ramaya: it's a good thing :) |
| 19:14.08 | doc|work | ramaya: no more proprietary chargers :) |
| 19:14.22 | ramaya | u dont need a pc for that ? |
| 19:14.31 | doc|work | ramaya: nope, comes with a charger in the box |
| 19:14.50 | Qwell | I like these companies that sell "Motorola data cables" for $30 |
| 19:14.51 | ramaya | hm.. i've never seen that... |
| 19:14.52 | mmu_man | ramaya likely you only need the +5V from USB |
| 19:15.02 | doc|work | Qwell: hah |
| 19:15.02 | mmu_man | so you don't need a hub |
| 19:15.22 | doc|work | s/hub/powered hub |
| 19:15.32 | mmu_man | either |
| 19:15.35 | ramaya | and the battery life ? |
| 19:15.36 | doc|work | non-powered hubs could cause a problem |
| 19:15.41 | mmu_man | you don't need to use teh USB signaling |
| 19:15.45 | doc|work | ramaya: not fully determined |
| 19:16.25 | ramaya | 4th of july will be day of answers :p |
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| 19:47.34 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm, I remember seeing/reading about that a while ago, and yes, iirc, it's just a moko rebranded |
| 19:47.46 | doc|work | with android |
| 19:47.53 | doc|work | extra fail :) |
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| 19:49.10 | nuclear_eclipse | yeah |
| 19:49.24 | nuclear_eclipse | and it talks about getting it for freee.... |
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| 19:49.31 | lpotter | funny how they could distrubte android when there are no sources available yet... |
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| 19:49.52 | lpotter | if it isnt fake, that would be a GPL violation |
| 19:49.55 | unknown_lamer | it doesn't look to be available |
| 19:49.56 | nuclear_eclipse | the whole site smells of scamming to me |
| 19:50.01 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.03 | unknown_lamer | I thought android was apacheish? |
| 19:50.17 | lpotter | hmm oh |
| 19:50.26 | lpotter | yes, it is something like that |
| 19:50.49 | unknown_lamer | good old bsd + evil license so google can claim to support free software and then allow every vendor to lock down their phones just as much as they are now |
| 19:50.54 | unknown_lamer | but wooooo OPEN SOURCE |
| 19:51.15 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: they talk about maybe getting it for free. Like you might maybe win a playstation if you win an ebay auction :) |
| 19:51.28 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
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| 19:52.27 | zedstar_ | the android crowd would surely buy HTC hardware or something more powerful |
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| 19:55.06 | nuclear_eclipse | I was wondering the same thing |
| 19:55.25 | unknown_lamer | the gesture stuff was progressive fairly well but with a wiimote (the student was sent a freerunner a few days ago though) |
| 19:55.30 | unknown_lamer | according to his email at least |
| 19:55.40 | doc|work | Pyrasi: hah, that was taken from planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:55.41 | nuclear_eclipse | I had considered doing GSoC for the moko, untill I realized how little the stipend is, and I actually still have to make rent and car payments and such.... |
| 19:55.47 | unknown_lamer | the odeviced student posted a few status updates, and the unified IM student has a mockup application |
| 19:56.16 | unknown_lamer | I'm hoping that the movitz project is successful it'd be nice to have a network stack |
| 19:56.35 | unknown_lamer | and then it wouldn't be too much effort to write an nfs client (yay filesystem without the PITA of dealing with disks) |
| 19:56.44 | unknown_lamer | followed shortly by world domination |
| 19:56.52 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 19:57.09 | nuclear_eclipse | I'd rather see samba client support... |
| 19:57.32 | unknown_lamer | Except that SMB suuuuucks |
| 19:57.54 | unknown_lamer | I've never been able to setup a reliable SMB share (always dies when running stuff like find on it versus good old reliable nfs for LAN stuff and afs for WAN stuff) |
| 19:57.56 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.08 | unknown_lamer | That would be nice to have a unified IM/presence system |
| 19:58.34 | unknown_lamer | I'm wondering why the speech recognition project exists at all -- isn't pocketsphinx good enough? |
| 19:58.41 | nuclear_eclipse | unknown_lamer: afs? |
| 19:58.51 | unknown_lamer | If anything he ought to be hacking on that to improve it rather than writing his own from scratch |
| 19:58.53 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.00 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: andrew file system -- massively distributed network fs |
| 19:59.24 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.32 | nuclear_eclipse | unknown_lamer: does that support authentication and ACL/tye permissions? |
| 19:59.42 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: yes via kerberos |
| 19:59.59 | nuclear_eclipse | hmm |
| 20:00.09 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: you can even put people on other machines on your ACLs |
| 20:00.12 | nuclear_eclipse | thinks I have a new toy to play with.... |
| 20:00.24 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: the only nasty part is that afs has its own disk format |
| 20:00.29 | nuclear_eclipse | ouch |
| 20:00.39 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: that and ... initial kerberos domain controller and afs master setup is a pain in the ass |
| 20:01.04 | nuclear_eclipse | goes back to Samba |
| 20:01.32 | unknown_lamer | afs is more meant for people who have a ton of machines and clients distributed over a very large network |
| 20:01.40 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
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| 20:02.03 | unknown_lamer | e.g. at hcoop we use it so that all of our various machines can have a shared fs for homedirs and such including our offsite secondary dns *and* users if they install the openafs client |
| 20:02.06 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.22 | unknown_lamer | much nicer to just cp foo /afs/hcoop.net/c/cl/clinton/ than needing to use scp :-) |
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| 20:02.49 | nuclear_eclipse | unknown_lamer: I bet |
| 20:02.50 | unknown_lamer | hmm I was pondering setting up a wiimote with the gamepad thing for MAME |
| 20:02.56 | doc|work | Pyrasi: are you that dude? from the youtube vids? |
| 20:03.11 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.19 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: thanks to kerberos I also get passwordless ssh and imap :-) and, if I found a jabber client that did gssapi, jabber as well |
| 20:03.29 | doc|work | Pyrasi: ah, ok, cool |
| 20:04.43 | nuclear_eclipse | unknown_lamer: I just use ssh keys ;) |
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| 20:05.50 | unknown_lamer | nuclear_eclipse: those get to be a pain versus kinit clinton@HCOOP.NET / now every network service is authenticated securely |
| 20:06.22 | nuclear_eclipse | I'm sure ssh keys would be more of a pain for a set of users lager than me :P |
| 20:06.37 | unknown_lamer | wonders if openafs works on ARM |
| 20:07.15 | unknown_lamer | oh :-( no arm client booooo |
| 20:08.54 | doc|work | clinton? |
| 20:09.25 | unknown_lamer | my username |
| 20:09.33 | doc|work | ah |
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| 20:28.30 | pjj | 2.5g how fast is that? |
| 20:28.34 | mjr | slow |
| 20:28.54 | mjr | will max out at 80k, likely speeds around 50-60k |
| 20:29.25 | pjj | bit or byte? |
| 20:29.34 | mjr | bit |
| 20:29.48 | nuclear_eclipse | ouch |
| 20:29.56 | pjj | kinda slow then yeah |
| 20:30.14 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I got 5.6K on a 5G download. |
| 20:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Actually no, it was 1G |
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| 20:53.43 | johnl | hrm. I have invalidated the topic by receiving a Freerunner in the post this morning |
| 20:53.57 | wurp2 | How did you order? |
| 20:54.11 | doc|work | poll: how many people here hate johnl? |
| 20:54.13 | doc|work | ;) |
| 20:54.21 | zash | at least a hundred |
| 20:54.25 | doc|work | hehe |
| 20:54.31 | wurp2 | doc|work: I'm waiting for gta03, anyway |
| 20:54.33 | johnl | lol |
| 20:54.43 | wurp2 | doc|work: Until then I'll make do with my gta01 |
| 20:54.59 | johnl | i didn't quite mean to troll |
| 20:55.13 | wurp2 | johnl: How did you order your FR? |
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| 20:55.19 | johnl | strokes his freerunner |
| 20:55.28 | wurp2 | Some people got some a few weeks ago, at one particular university |
| 20:55.32 | johnl | Tig| has one too. we're partners in troll crime. |
| 20:55.35 | doc|work | johnl: hehe, we're joking, mostly >:( |
| 20:55.45 | johnl | just ordered it from a supplier here in UK |
| 20:55.54 | Tig| | wurp2: I can confirm I recieved mine this morning from truebox in the UK |
| 20:55.57 | wurp2 | johnl: wow, nice! |
| 20:56.43 | zash | omg |
| 20:56.46 | Tig| | can post a pic if needed :) |
| 20:56.56 | johnl | Tig|, will you be wearing clothes? |
| 20:56.57 | zash | "pics or it never happend" |
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| 20:56.59 | nuclear_eclipse | likes pics |
| 20:56.59 | wurp2 | Openmoko store still not open |
| 20:57.00 | zedstar_ | call one of us on it :) |
| 20:57.02 | doc|work | Tig|: sure! (pants necessary) |
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| 20:58.02 | nuclear_eclipse | wurp2: iirc, the openmoko store will only open once the distr in fremont, cali gets their shipment... |
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| 20:59.46 | nuclear_eclipse | in other news, I haven't gotten any openmoko mailing list emails since I changed DNS |
| 20:59.50 | nuclear_eclipse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.09 | nuclear_eclipse | anyone know why that might be? |
| 21:01.08 | johnl | are we supposed to have them then or what? |
| 21:01.19 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.21 | Tig| | are your dns servers working properly, they may be failing a reverse look up |
| 21:01.22 | johnl | gets an ebay account |
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| 21:02.08 | nuclear_eclipse | Tig|: I'm receiving mail from every other outside source, including other (non moko) mailing lists.... |
| 21:02.56 | *** topic/#openmoko by wurp2 -> Some resellers have shipped Freerunners, but the OpenMoko store is not yet open. Official updates at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates . | ASU means August Software Update and is coming soon. |
| 21:03.19 | johnl | it appears that the freerunner is impossible to photograph |
| 21:03.27 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
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| 21:04.13 | Tig| | doc|work: TADDAAA : http://da.mned.co.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=104 |
| 21:04.36 | Tig| | apologies had to use shitty sony phone then laptop would not talk to it |
| 21:04.47 | wurp2 | Tig|: You missed a great opportunity for a goatse |
| 21:04.54 | nuclear_eclipse | congratulates Tig| |
| 21:04.54 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.56 | Tig| | true true :) |
| 21:05.07 | Tig| | but next time :P next time :) |
| 21:05.09 | doc|work | Tig|: that shot is lacking any female nakedness |
| 21:05.11 | Qwell | something in that screenshot about not wearing clothes...what? |
| 21:05.12 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.21 | doc|work | Tig|: very nice :) |
| 21:05.47 | nuclear_eclipse | Tig|: xchat? |
| 21:05.55 | doc|work | nuclear_eclipse: yep |
| 21:06.38 | zedstar_ | are they booting out the box or need a flash? |
| 21:06.49 | Tig| | nuclear_eclipse: aye :) |
| 21:06.54 | wurp2 | Tig|, johnl: I'm very interested in any battery life figures (while suspended), gps fix times, or reports on the headset sound quality :-) |
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| 21:07.09 | Tig| | zedstar: they boot using the gtk image from around april |
| 21:07.14 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.25 | johnl | wurp2, as soon as I stop dicking around with it and actually use it, sure! |
| 21:07.30 | Tig| | they send and recieve calls and texts |
| 21:07.31 | nuclear_eclipse | lol |
| 21:07.39 | johnl | waits for the 3rd image flashing to finish |
| 21:07.46 | zedstar_ | tig ah ok...good not like the neo that needed to be flashed first |
| 21:07.53 | nuclear_eclipse | wishes the US had them already.... |
| 21:07.54 | Tig| | I have flashed mine to todays snapshot from the download on openmoko.com |
| 21:08.15 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.30 | Tig| | nuclear_eclipse: we are closer, i suppose it depends if you fly east or west :) |
| 21:08.35 | johnl | i've managed to get the microsd card adapter thing stuck in my laptop. |
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| 21:08.42 | johnl | not sure if I can blame openmoko for that though |
| 21:08.49 | donomo | ha |
| 21:08.49 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.02 | bricode | Are there daily build images for the ASU? |
| 21:09.03 | Tig| | muppet :) |
| 21:09.18 | doc|work | < Tig|> they send and recieve calls and texts |
| 21:09.29 | doc|work | miracles never cease! a phone that can make calls and sms |
| 21:09.31 | zedstar_ | next few days gonna be interesting in irc i think when the traffic increases |
| 21:09.38 | Tig| | bricode: dunno. the builds on the .com site are still gtk as far as I know :) |
| 21:09.54 | donomo | zedstar_: indeed. i havent been in here in many months |
| 21:09.57 | Tig| | they are def not the ASU |
| 21:10.00 | nuclear_eclipse | Tig|: what's the difference between the official builds and scaredycats'? |
| 21:10.01 | bricode | Tig|: Yeah, I know. Just got the latest one from buildhost. |
| 21:10.06 | doc|work | man, I hope they don't release it soon. I don't have all the money for the 10 pack together |
| 21:10.12 | wurp2 | Tig|: today's snapshot runs? |
| 21:10.17 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.23 | Tig| | nuclear_eclipse: dunno, not tried his yet :) |
| 21:10.24 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.31 | nuclear_eclipse | ok |
| 21:10.40 | doc|work | wants :( |
| 21:10.46 | nuclear_eclipse | wants too |
| 21:10.50 | Tig| | wurp2: yep :) made calls and texts on it and running atm :) |
| 21:10.51 | zash | WANTS! |
| 21:11.01 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.06 | bricode | nuclear_eclipse: Scaredycat's got mapping software on them. |
| 21:11.12 | doc|work | I want to see what a web browser looks like on it |
| 21:11.12 | nuclear_eclipse | cool |
| 21:11.14 | Tig| | Pyrasi: sounded fine :) |
| 21:11.17 | wurp2 | Tig|: Excellent! The 2007.2 builds were pretty badly busted for a while |
| 21:11.36 | Tig| | doc|work: tried the browser but not got networking working on it yet so was a tad pointless :) |
| 21:11.37 | nuclear_eclipse | wow, I'm glad I bitched about my DNS and the mailing list; I just got a message from the moko list! |
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| 21:11.46 | doc|work | Tig|: there's a browser?! |
| 21:12.00 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.03 | doc|work | oh |
| 21:12.05 | wurp2 | . ScaredyCat's releases also have a bt keyboard connector, a little config app for sound, usb mode, etc. and a thing to let you switch clock mode |
| 21:12.06 | bricode | doc|work: Browser's there, but needs some work. |
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| 21:12.10 | doc|work | bricode: cool |
| 21:12.24 | wurp2 | Tig|: Networking required quite a bit of hacking for me |
| 21:12.27 | Tig| | doc|work: not on the shipped image but on latest snapshot yes |
| 21:13.05 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.11 | wurp2 | (on the 1973... I have no idea what the status is on FR, but I don't think it would be much different) |
| 21:13.12 | Tig| | wurp2: well I can make a simple tcp connection over usb easily I was more interested in the wifi |
| 21:13.20 | doc|work | Tig|: ah |
| 21:13.22 | johnl | asu shows some promise. |
| 21:13.24 | wurp2 | Tig|: oh yeah, duh |
| 21:13.28 | wurp2 | I was thinking gprs |
| 21:13.39 | Tig| | not tried that yet :) |
| 21:13.43 | doc|work | really wants :( |
| 21:13.44 | johnl | unusuable right now but is gonna rock I reckon, from messing about with it for a bit |
| 21:14.00 | zedstar_ | be interesting to get some more TTF gps values |
| 21:14.07 | zedstar_ | go outside in the rain please now ;) |
| 21:14.09 | Tig| | tempted to go into the orange shop tomorrow and ask them to help me set up my data connection :P |
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| 21:14.22 | Tig| | zedstar: bugger off :) it is pissing it down :) |
| 21:14.34 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.35 | zedstar_ | tig i know im in uk also ;) |
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| 21:14.42 | Tig| | I will have a go tomorrow if you want :) |
| 21:14.51 | wurp2 | Pyrasi: navit is nice too, once you set up the maps |
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| 21:15.01 | Tig| | Pyrasi: already done that :) also been using it on the eee :) |
| 21:15.34 | wurp2 | Pyrasi: If navit would stop altering the .xml format they use, and setup a service to download maps, and cache map images, it would blow tango away |
| 21:15.38 | Tig| | wurp2: I tried navit on the eee and the interface was all over the place god knows what it would be like on a neo |
| 21:15.53 | wurp2 | Tig|: How do you mean all over the place? |
| 21:15.55 | wurp2 | Tig|: Hard to use? |
| 21:16.09 | Tig| | yeah lots of windows that needed to tile together |
| 21:16.10 | KaZeR | wurp2, http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ |
| 21:16.20 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.27 | Tig| | or have I got two packages mixed up |
| 21:16.28 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Yeah, but it needs to be an option to do it automatically |
| 21:16.44 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.49 | KaZeR | wurp2, like, download as you drive? |
| 21:16.50 | wurp2 | Tig|: navit is one window on the neo |
| 21:16.54 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Yeah |
| 21:16.59 | wurp2 | Like tango |
| 21:17.06 | diego | Tig| I've installed navit on my GTA01v4 and work quite well |
| 21:17.23 | diego | (just a bit slow) |
| 21:17.26 | KaZeR | wurp2, i wonder how well it would work, since freerunner doesn't have 3G.. |
| 21:17.34 | Tig| | Pyrasi: one quicky as it were, TangoGPS will work fine on the ASU too as although some of the apps are QT GTK is still available |
| 21:17.56 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Well, tangoGPS works OK over gprs. Sort of OK, anyway... |
| 21:18.00 | Tig| | wurp2: ooo must be different then :) cool :) |
| 21:18.08 | Tig| | diego: thanks, will give it a try :) |
| 21:18.13 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.21 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.25 | diego | KaZeR: tango is usable, if u download tiles before going out home :D |
| 21:18.31 | wurp2 | KaZeR: I would think navit's files should be smaller for the same amount of area, except when you're zoomed way out |
| 21:18.33 | KaZeR | wurp2, yes, but it only downloads a raster image. navit needs more informations |
| 21:18.34 | Tig| | well not tested here but everything I have read says yes |
| 21:18.41 | KaZeR | diego, hehe, then it's the same with navit :) |
| 21:18.55 | diego | no |
| 21:19.07 | diego | I've the maps for Italy in 10Mb |
| 21:19.14 | KaZeR | for tango? |
| 21:19.16 | wurp2 | KaZeR: well, in a way it's more (more information) but tango downloads pngs, which are a lot more data for the same amount of info |
| 21:19.36 | wurp2 | I haven't compared the navit .bin file size to tango's pngs |
| 21:19.42 | KaZeR | wurp2, depends also of datas for search structures |
| 21:20.01 | diego | for tango i have more 100Mb only for same area around my home, the more distant place is 30km away |
| 21:20.04 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.14 | diego | www.openmoko.com |
| 21:20.16 | diego | :D |
| 21:20.21 | wurp2 | KaZeR: True, but I can tell you the navit .bin for the Dallas/Fort Worth area is far smaller than the tango PNGs for zoom level 15 of DFW |
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| 21:21.40 | KaZeR | wurp2, ah. US. tiger aren't detailed as some european countries. miss a tag which tell to which state a town belongs for example |
| 21:22.06 | KaZeR | btw, freerunner is for next week right? |
| 21:22.13 | nuclear_eclipse | perhaps |
| 21:22.20 | KaZeR | uh |
| 21:22.55 | wurp2 | KaZeR: 2 ppl here already got theirs |
| 21:22.57 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 21:22.58 | nuclear_eclipse | whenever it makes it to Fremont, Cali, that's when the US store will open |
| 21:24.00 | KaZeR | wurp2, directly from store as tester? or as real customers? |
| 21:24.11 | Tig| | via reseller :) |
| 21:24.14 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Real customers, from a reseller |
| 21:24.18 | wurp2 | KaZeR: Tig| and johnl |
| 21:24.24 | KaZeR | :-o |
| 21:24.30 | KaZeR | Tig|, where do you live? |
| 21:24.34 | Tig| | UK |
| 21:24.38 | wurp2 | KaZeR: see topic ;-) |
| 21:25.02 | KaZeR | ah interesting. i live in france. |
| 21:25.06 | KaZeR | Tig|, how usable is it? |
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| 21:25.20 | KaZeR | (probably been asked a dozen of times.. sorry ;) ) |
| 21:25.57 | Tig| | shipped image makes and receives calls fine :) same as text messages |
| 21:26.05 | johnl | haha, we're like celebrities |
| 21:26.24 | Tig| | seems stable but the interface is odd at first until it just clicks :) |
| 21:26.26 | johnl | anyone want to buy an openmoko signed by Tig? |
| 21:26.38 | nuclear_eclipse | we're just desperate for something to distract us until we get our own :P |
| 21:26.40 | KaZeR | until is just clicks? |
| 21:26.43 | Tig| | johnl: damnit should have negotiated royalties :P |
| 21:26.58 | KaZeR | johnl, same reseller? have an url? |
| 21:27.05 | Tig| | truebox.co.uk |
| 21:27.10 | KaZeR | thanks |
| 21:27.15 | Tig| | might need a www |
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| 21:27.47 | Tig| | they are out of stock atm but have ordered more according to the webpage |
| 21:27.50 | zash | does not like www-subdomains |
| 21:28.14 | johnl | http://johnleach.co.uk/photography/random/openmoko/ |
| 21:28.16 | KaZeR | Tig|, until is just clicks? what does that mean? |
| 21:28.20 | wurp2 | I wonder how many they shipped out |
| 21:29.02 | nuclear_eclipse | johnl: nice :) |
| 21:29.24 | KaZeR | johnl, how satisfying in daily use is it? |
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| 21:30.47 | johnl | tbh, barely used it yet |
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| 21:31.03 | johnl | the gtk interface just seemed whacked to me at first |
| 21:31.11 | johnl | then suddenly it kinda clicked |
| 21:31.23 | johnl | and is actually very clever |
| 21:31.50 | KaZeR | ok thanks |
| 21:32.16 | johnl | not seen qtopia working on it yet. tried asu, which looks like it's going to be great. |
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| 21:35.51 | wurp2 | johnl: Qtopia downloads are still shut down, afaik. They had a licensing issue and turned off downloads until they work it out. |
| 21:36.27 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6c9749e62bb9 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ophoned: remove duplicated class NetworkRegisterWithProvider |
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| 21:37.15 | johnl | wurp2, ah. doh. bad juju already! |
| 21:37.31 | johnl | right. tangogps time methinks. |
| 21:38.30 | Tig| | johnl: right I installed it but did not get a gps fix (presumably as I was not going out in the rain :P ) and you need a net connection on the phone for the maps :) |
| 21:38.35 | SpeedEvil | Setup tangogps to save to /media/card/wherever, make that dir |
| 21:38.51 | johnl | Tig|, still no wireless for me. you? |
| 21:39.02 | Tig| | not tried properly yet |
| 21:39.27 | Tig| | I got distracted by the games folder and working out how to do a slash in terminal |
| 21:39.29 | SpeedEvil | TimRiker: then work out how to setup the GPSd to start - look on the tangogps website for something to start gpsd |
| 21:39.42 | SpeedEvil | Tigthen work out how to setup the GPSd to start - look on the tangogps website for something to start gpsd |
| 21:40.00 | wurp2 | Tig|: You can also find your rough area on tangogps and tap, then select "map download" |
| 21:40.28 | johnl | i don't actually even know how to install stuff on this yet. better go read the wiki |
| 21:40.29 | Tig| | it is ok I worked it out. there is a button in tangogps to start it but have been trying to use it as a user rather than a geek so far :) |
| 21:41.00 | wurp2 | johnl: opkg install - no UI for it afaik :-( |
| 21:42.27 | Pyrasi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Tig|: yhes - that doesn't mean it will in fact work |
| 21:43.15 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: aye :) will test tomorrow when it is not raining :) |
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| 21:45.10 | wurp2 | Tig|: I think you should be able to cat /tmp/nmeaNP to see if the GPS is active |
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| 21:45.44 | wurp2 | Tig|: When you get a FIXGPGLOR line or something similar it means it has found a fix, but any output should mean the GPS is awake & looking for satellites |
| 21:46.15 | wurp2 | That assumes that the Freerunner gps feeds to /tmp/nmeaNP by default... |
| 21:46.58 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't |
| 21:46.59 | Tig| | I was going to telnet the gpsd port and wait for sane info but there are many ways to skin a cat :) |
| 21:47.04 | SpeedEvil | It's on ttySAC2 |
| 21:47.06 | SpeedEvil | Or is it 1 |
| 21:47.11 | SpeedEvil | maybe 0 |
| 21:47.12 | KaZeR | Tig|, with navit there's a demo vehicule you can use to emulate a gps |
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| 21:49.16 | mmontour | Are people still using /tmp/nmeaNP on the GTA01? I had better luck with the +pty mode |
| 21:49.29 | wurp2 | Tig|: I'm not sure how tango reads the gps... if you see that the gps has a fix but tango doesn't see it, symlinking from ttySAC? to /tmp/nmeaNP may make it work... |
| 21:49.45 | wurp2 | What is the +pty mode? :-) |
| 21:50.00 | balrog-kun | you can cat /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 21:50.08 | Tig| | wurp2: no idea if gps actually got a fix :( will test tomorrow if it is not raining :) |
| 21:50.11 | wurp2 | mmontour: I use /tmp/nmeaNP for some scripts |
| 21:50.13 | SpeedEvil | After you've turned the GPS on |
| 21:50.31 | Tig| | SpeedEvil: yep, not even I missed that bit :) |
| 21:50.34 | wurp2 | mmontour: And whatever dbus uses for some others |
| 21:50.35 | KaZeR | Tig|, can't you test with something like xgps? |
| 21:50.52 | Tig| | test what? that tangogps works? it will |
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| 21:50.54 | SpeedEvil | Just cat /dev/ttySACwhatever |
| 21:50.54 | balrog-kun | gllin has various modes, it can output to a pipe (like /tmp/nmeaNP but you can give your own), to a pty, socket and whatnot |
| 21:50.57 | mmontour | wurp2: It uses a symlink /tmp/nmeaPTY -> /dev/pts/4 |
| 21:51.11 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: yeah - but he's got a FR - AIUI |
| 21:51.24 | mmontour | And then you can tell gpsd to read from /tmp/nmeaPTY |
| 21:52.01 | Tig| | erk : dma2: channel has nothing loaded |
| 21:53.14 | johnl | i like how you guys are so keen to play with this you're playing with it by proxy, heh |
| 21:53.59 | zedstar_ | it is almost cybersex for some lol |
| 21:54.48 | Tig| | well feck knows what happened but I just got a screen of dma2: channel has nothing loaded when I plugged it in this time |
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| 21:55.02 | Tig| | I have been playing though so prolly screwed something up |
| 21:55.24 | Tig| | also this is not the worlds most reliable machine I am plugging it into :) |
| 21:55.42 | wurp2 | New hardware isn't very exciting for me right now - I like my '01 just fine. Stable software with all the amenities I've gotten used to in the GTK would make me happy, though. |
| 21:56.11 | wurp2 | s/GTK/2007.2 platform/ |
| 21:56.26 | johnl | Tig|, power saving? i think i got that coming out of suspend one time. not sure though |
| 21:57.06 | Tig| | I don't think it was in powersaving when i plugged it in |
| 21:58.34 | Tig| | but I know one thing, even with it's quirks it is damn more reliable than that sony w380i i got to tide me over, and that is on it's second replacement |
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| 22:00.33 | johnl | i've never had a phone that was fun to use and stable |
| 22:00.43 | johnl | one or the other would do me fine tbh, heh |
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| 22:01.37 | johnl | ok, now to get this puppy on the internet |
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| 22:10.08 | ajbrun | hi - can anyone tell me what kind of SD card the new freerunner will take? |
| 22:10.26 | wurp2 | ajbrun: micro ;-) |
| 22:10.32 | SpeedEvil | up to 32G |
| 22:10.46 | ajbrun | there's no 32GB ones out now though? |
| 22:11.16 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: As I understand it, 8 are, and work. 32 are the same standard, and 'should' work. |
| 22:11.23 | SpeedEvil | 64 will need a new kernel. |
| 22:11.27 | SpeedEvil | Or module at least. |
| 22:12.15 | ajbrun | i want to order the free runner from somewhere, but i'm going on holiday on friday, so i doubt i'd get it in time :( |
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| 22:14.10 | ajbrun | has a UK price been released for the official openmoko shop? |
| 22:14.27 | mmontour | ajbrun: you might want to look at this thread regarding SD-card problems on GTA02: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/003500.html |
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| 22:14.46 | ajbrun | cheers |
| 22:14.51 | SpeedEvil | ajbrun: I saw 272 pounds |
| 22:15.17 | ajbrun | funky - same as here https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Openmoko |
| 22:16.35 | Tig| | ajbrun: that is where I ordered mine from :) |
| 22:17.10 | ajbrun | Tig| - i guess they're sold out now? |
| 22:17.21 | ajbrun | didn't see an online order form - just that they were getting more |
| 22:17.50 | ajbrun | i've not really been 'about' for the past few month, so i guess the software is better than a while ago now? |
| 22:18.15 | Tig| | ajbrun: you had to use the contact form to express an interest, I think they are out of stock at the moment but are ordering more |
| 22:18.19 | johnl | ajbrun, yeah sold out, but they said they'd be getting more. |
| 22:18.51 | SpeedEvil | I find it rather annoying that there was no message on any list saying 'you can buy' |
| 22:19.08 | ajbrun | hmmm - i'm off to dorset for the weekend tomorrow. If they say they have one in atm, i might pop in on the way |
| 22:19.11 | SpeedEvil | (though I'm not in a position to ATM) |
| 22:19.23 | johnl | SpeedEvil, i only found out from tig. dunno how he found out. an ouija board perhaps. |
| 22:20.24 | wurp2 | ajbrun: I would say the sw is worse now than a couple of months ago :-( |
| 22:20.32 | Tig| | I read on community ages ago that truebox were going to be a reseller and punted a message via their website which said "send us a message if you are interested" :) |
| 22:20.45 | ajbrun | why would the software be worse? |
| 22:20.48 | wurp2 | However, I've heard good things about today's 2007.2 release. No comprehensive reporting on it, though |
| 22:20.54 | wurp2 | Well, they abandoned 2007.2 to work on ASU |
| 22:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone know if canada uses 850, or 900? |
| 22:21.06 | wurp2 | But ASU isn't ready, so both have been broken for a while |
| 22:21.24 | johnl | 2007.2 ? |
| 22:21.34 | ajbrun | but is the phone still useable as a phone? |
| 22:21.36 | wurp2 | 2007.2 = the gtk platform |
| 22:21.42 | Tig| | I assume that is the GTK yes? |
| 22:21.47 | Tig| | ajbrun: yep :) |
| 22:21.54 | wurp2 | ajbrun: I lose gsm once or twice a day :-( |
| 22:22.09 | ajbrun | good - so long as i can phone and text, i can play about with the rest |
| 22:22.10 | wurp2 | As I said, though, today & yesterday's release may be a different story |
| 22:22.17 | ajbrun | np |
| 22:22.22 | Tig| | well not had mine a whole day yet so.... |
| 22:22.24 | d3vice | how's the battery performance? |
| 22:23.13 | Tig| | d3vice: no idea yet sorry :( best to give it a few days use to get any real world figures |
| 22:23.19 | d3vice | ok |
| 22:23.24 | wurp2 | Does anyone text regularly with the 2007.2 sw? The UI feels really clunky to me |
| 22:23.52 | d3vice | is the gui's response good? |
| 22:23.56 | Tig| | but did not drain flat in an hour or so :) lots of juice in there |
| 22:24.51 | Tig| | the ui response is sometimes a bit iffy but on the whole good, but this is the gtk image i am running here not the long term goal which is the ASU |
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| 22:25.31 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if the ASU UI response is snappy? |
| 22:25.54 | johnl | wurp2, yes. i found it better than the gtk one |
| 22:25.59 | Tig| | johnl: over to yo |
| 22:26.05 | johnl | smoother animations. very quick to respond. |
| 22:26.11 | wurp2 | johnl: that's a relief :-) |
| 22:26.16 | Tig| | woot |
| 22:26.22 | johnl | though the whole thing is just black and white. no icons either. |
| 22:26.32 | johnl | cept for a bright green selector thing |
| 22:26.33 | wurp2 | ??? |
| 22:26.39 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: Canada is 850 |
| 22:26.40 | johnl | this was the may release. |
| 22:26.44 | wurp2 | weird |
| 22:26.53 | johnl | http://downloads.openmoko.org/asu/ |
| 22:26.54 | wurp2 | johnl: You have a gta01 too? |
| 22:26.59 | johnl | same in a qemu vm tbh |
| 22:27.06 | johnl | no. just this gta02 |
| 22:27.08 | wurp2 | Or just installed the may release on your FR today |
| 22:27.13 | wurp2 | I see |
| 22:27.45 | wurp2 | Time for me to go home... congrats on your new Freerunners, guys! I hope we'll see you in here later this week :-) |
| 22:27.57 | Tig| | aye :) ttfn :) |
| 22:28.20 | johnl | bye! |
| 22:28.34 | johnl | congrats. like we achieved something. |
| 22:28.42 | ajbrun | hopes he can nab one tomorrow |
| 22:28.45 | johnl | i just waved my credit card around a bit and it came through the post |
| 22:29.00 | Tig| | aye :) |
| 22:29.28 | Tig| | I did the same, I waved your credit card arou..... erm |
| 22:29.57 | johnl | haha |
| 22:30.34 | d3vice | so, is gta03 or 04 in the works? |
| 22:31.20 | doc|work | d3vice: of that thou shalt not speak |
| 22:31.27 | Tig| | d3vice: give them a chance they are only just getting gta02 out the door! |
| 22:31.35 | ajbrun | hopes he's getting paid tomorrow too... |
| 22:31.36 | doc|work | d3vice: probably depends on if they sell enough gta02s :) |
| 22:32.42 | johnl | Tig|, am I missing something obvious or are there very little settings dialogues |
| 22:32.44 | johnl | i.e: none |
| 22:33.00 | Tig| | well I have not found one yet :) |
| 22:33.16 | Tig| | wait |
| 22:33.17 | ajbrun | surley there's SOME settings? |
| 22:33.24 | Tig| | found it :) |
| 22:33.35 | Tig| | vi is on there :) :) :) |
| 22:33.39 | johnl | hahaha |
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| 22:34.22 | johnl | can't find how to make dots or slashes in the terminal |
| 22:34.40 | Tig| | gave up and copy pasted them |
| 22:35.08 | Tig| | also sshed into the thing over usb as it was less painful :) |
| 22:35.55 | johnl | ah, just figuring out how to do that |
| 22:36.53 | Tig| | points at the getting started documents on the wiki :) |
| 22:37.44 | johnl | yeah, following |
| 22:37.45 | johnl | ta |
| 22:38.19 | johnl | heh. that was easy. |
| 22:38.25 | Tig| | yep :) |
| 22:38.40 | johnl | *ANY* phone that runs ssh by default makes my happy |
| 22:38.40 | Tig| | oh and the kitty cat still loves the laser pointer |
| 22:38.45 | Tig| | :) |
| 22:38.55 | johnl | ha. all my cats are too asleep to care about laser pointers |
| 22:39.03 | johnl | I still maintain that the stylus is poo |
| 22:39.50 | PermBan | What basis do you have for that? |
| 22:39.54 | Tig| | I think the batteries are running out here :) |
| 22:39.54 | PermBan | Smelly fingers? |
| 22:40.56 | johnl | PermBan, it's bigger than the device. probably weighs as much. |
| 22:40.56 | Tig| | PermBan: well it is a bit cheap and nasty especially compared to the freerunner which arrives in a very chic black box |
| 22:41.04 | johnl | and has a torch and a laser in it. |
| 22:41.07 | johnl | seriously |
| 22:41.10 | johnl | a torch and a laser. |
| 22:41.40 | Tig| | and a biro |
| 22:41.42 | johnl | looks for the source code for the laser |
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| 22:41.55 | johnl | is excited about sshing into his phone |
| 22:42.07 | PermBan | A torch? Hah |
| 22:43.23 | johnl | tsk. blank root password by default. |
| 22:43.34 | Tig| | I know |
| 22:44.01 | johnl | no iptables |
| 22:44.30 | johnl | listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 22:44.40 | d3vice | acts like a kid and says: |
| 22:44.46 | d3vice | where's the camera? |
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| 22:45.00 | johnl | portmap?!?!?!?!?!?!?1 |
| 22:45.00 | ajbrun | no point in phone camera imo |
| 22:45.01 | Tig| | d3vice: not one on this hardware version |
| 22:45.08 | ajbrun | all the pics they take are pants |
| 22:45.10 | johnl | why is it running portmap?! |
| 22:45.16 | d3vice | nfs? |
| 22:45.21 | johnl | haha |
| 22:45.22 | d3vice | rpc? |
| 22:45.35 | johnl | stores his address book on an nfs share |
| 22:45.58 | johnl | so I can change phones and keep the same contacts. |
| 22:46.18 | ajbrun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko#Future_devices <----- for whoever mentioned GTA03 |
| 22:46.39 | Tig| | wait a sec, what other phone can read nfs? |
| 22:46.55 | johnl | Tig|, the gta03! |
| 22:47.07 | Tig| | ah |
| 22:47.27 | ajbrun | bed for me now |
| 22:47.30 | johnl | night |
| 22:47.34 | ajbrun | off camping tomorrow - YAY |
| 22:47.35 | ajbrun | nn |
| 22:47.39 | Tig| | smacks johnl around the head with a rolled up roadmap |
| 22:47.43 | Tig| | nn ducky |
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| 22:51.49 | d3vice | johnl: gta03?! you mean the navigation device? |
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| 22:55.15 | johnl | is playing music on it now |
| 22:55.23 | johnl | out of one speaker for some reason |
| 22:55.44 | Tig| | it is mono speaker now :(# |
| 22:55.54 | doc|work | meh, not too pushed about speakers |
| 22:56.02 | johnl | ah. np. will be using headphones anyway |
| 22:56.06 | doc|work | yep |
| 22:56.09 | johnl | just has a grill for another it seems |
| 22:56.17 | Tig| | nor here have a samsung ogg player :) |
| 22:56.18 | johnl | gtk media player is hilarious. |
| 22:56.39 | johnl | lots of squares to press that do random things. |
| 22:56.50 | johnl | somehow managed to stop the music though. phew. |
| 22:59.00 | johnl | speaker is really good quality considering |
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| 23:01.58 | doc|work | wants :( |
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