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| 00:10.16 | mmontour | yay - finally got my openmoko-qtopia-x11-image to build (from the org.openmoko.dev branch) |
| 00:17.54 | cesarb | mwester: I don't have a current measuring rig, and didn't try measuring "time until death" or something like that, so no, I have no figures |
| 00:18.15 | kiba | I am jealous of soon to be owners of Freerunner |
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| 00:36.31 | cesarb | kiba: why? because they will soon get a wonderful new phone with a completely working software stack? ;-) |
| 00:38.58 | kiba | yyyyyyyyyup |
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| 00:50.52 | wurp2|away | balrog-kun, mmontour: Thanks much for your advice a few days ago about getting USSD data. By using the low level access to the gsm by cu, I got the info I was looking for. |
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| 01:08.06 | wurp2|away | Does anyone know what to do to get gsmd working again after you use gprs? |
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| 01:55.22 | mwester | wurp2|away: What's the magic AT command to enable USSD data? |
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| 02:02.06 | balrog-kun | AT%sudo USSD :) |
| 02:04.37 | mwester | 'at%sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program, or batch file. |
| 02:04.45 | mwester | C:\> |
| 02:06.07 | balrog-kun | haha |
| 02:06.41 | balrog-kun | mwester: did you have to remind everyone? the C:\> carries traumatic experience |
| 02:07.47 | balrog-kun | s |
| 02:09.26 | balrog-kun | plays with the Glamo chip |
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| 02:29.21 | mwester | suggests he try 10,000 volts to see if will "voom" |
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| 03:32.17 | khimera2000_ | helloooo |
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| 03:37.14 | khimera2000_ | helloooo |
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| 04:33.31 | wurp2|away | mwester: at+cusd=1 |
| 04:34.57 | wurp2|away | mwester: But I think it only works in the raw at mode; not in libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
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| 06:45.26 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:47.04 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: you here? |
| 08:47.10 | bkruse | I got some really cool news about the iax2 stuff |
| 08:47.48 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: I will be on tomorrow. Want to talk about freerunner images, your progress on everything, etc. PM me or email me : admteamkruz@gmail.com. see ya! |
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| 10:54.09 | methril | morning |
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| 11:20.03 | BBishop | is the freerunner the final hardware version ? |
| 11:20.15 | BBishop | ( I mean .. is it for consumer use ? ) |
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| 11:22.57 | mjr | Well. Presumably yes if the software will evolve sufficiently before they release a followup hardware... |
| 11:23.51 | BBishop | but even if they release a followup hardware .. the software could be updated on the freerunner .. right ? |
| 11:25.32 | mjr | of course |
| 11:25.54 | mjr | especially as it seems that the gta03 will eventually be very much like the gta02 |
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| 11:26.22 | BBishop | already plans for gta03 ? |
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| 11:34.39 | raboof | hm, some interesting innovations on the onscreen keybd front there |
| 11:39.26 | tomboy64 | does anyone know of mini-usb-sticks? |
| 11:39.32 | tomboy64 | any brand-names? |
| 11:39.57 | tomboy64 | i don't wanna be taking a mini-usb-standard-usb-adapter around me ... |
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| 11:41.55 | mjr | I doubt there are |
| 11:44.07 | ohin | I am wondering for long time, what 'gta' in 'gta0x' stands for |
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| 11:50.40 | ike | tomboy64: pqi has some mini-usb-sticks. |
| 11:52.31 | zash | ohin: i wonder about that too |
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| 11:53.26 | cyrilRomain | ohin, zash : 'geek telephone anywhere' ? ;) |
| 11:53.31 | zash | haha |
| 11:56.55 | tomboy64 | ike: still can't find anything :-/ |
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| 11:58.22 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA |
| 11:58.23 | zash | aha |
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| 11:59.23 | ohin | GTA03: cancelled ? |
| 11:59.40 | ohin | zash: thx |
| 11:59.42 | methril | :O |
| 11:59.45 | ath | GTA04: planning? |
| 11:59.58 | methril | is JosCH a core team? |
| 12:00.01 | BBishop | lol ? |
| 12:00.29 | methril | is the one who wrote that entry |
| 12:03.03 | ike | tomboy64: http://www.pqi.com.tw/product2.asp?oid=163&catE1=163&PROID=344 ? |
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| 12:04.11 | tomboy64 | holy **** - how tiny is that?!? |
| 12:06.09 | ike | :-) finger-nail size. |
| 12:06.22 | ike | More or less - like a penny. |
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| 12:13.41 | zedstar_ | here is a good addition to your freerunner ;) http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=736 |
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| 13:30.29 | Lucas- | hi, i am having some issues connecting my openmoko over usb to my debian box |
| 13:30.40 | Lucas- | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 13:30.40 | Lucas- | cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): No such file or directory |
| 13:30.40 | Lucas- | cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use |
| 13:30.43 | Lucas- | any ideas? |
| 13:31.55 | zash | sudo lsof | grep ttyACM0 |
| 13:32.27 | Lucas- | nothing returned |
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| 13:33.22 | zash | is there even a file? |
| 13:33.25 | Lucas- | nope |
| 13:33.28 | Lucas- | doesn't exits |
| 13:33.31 | Lucas- | exist* |
| 13:33.39 | zash | huh |
| 13:33.55 | Lucas- | ls -la /dev/ttyA* |
| 13:33.55 | Lucas- | ls: /dev/ttyA*: No such file or directory |
| 13:34.03 | zash | ls /dev/ttyUSB? then? |
| 13:34.20 | Lucas- | nope |
| 13:34.35 | Lucas- | there is /dev/tty -> /dev/tty63 |
| 13:34.48 | Lucas- | and then some ttyp1->10 |
| 13:34.58 | Lucas- | and some ttyS1->4 |
| 13:35.06 | zash | ttyS? is serial ports |
| 13:35.16 | Lucas- | ok |
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| 13:35.38 | zash | usb-stuffs usualy attach to ttyUSB* |
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| 13:36.33 | Lucas- | how can i tell what it is attaching to? |
| 13:36.37 | Lucas- | tailing syslog? |
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| 13:45.10 | wurp2|away | Lucas: You booted the neo to the boot menu, and AUXed down to "connect over usb" or whatever it is, then selected it via POWER? |
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| 14:35.06 | saurabh1403 | *saurabh says hello |
| 14:36.15 | Lucas- | <wurp2|away> Lucas: You booted the neo to the boot menu, and AUXed down to "connect over usb" or whatever it is, then selected it via POWER? |
| 14:36.15 | Lucas- | yes |
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| 15:02.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03tick * r4465 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg.c moving the sig_file_name into the section of HAVE_GPGME |
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| 15:07.45 | PBeck | ahoi :) |
| 15:09.08 | Lucas- | hi |
| 15:09.54 | Lucas- | after setting my neo to usb in the boot menu and then plugging the usb cable in |
| 15:10.00 | Lucas- | i get the error in debian : |
| 15:10.00 | Lucas- | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 15:10.00 | Lucas- | cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): No such file or directory |
| 15:10.00 | Lucas- | cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use |
| 15:10.06 | Lucas- | any ideas anyone? |
| 15:10.29 | abraxa__ | Lucas-: Does /dev/ttyACM0 even exist on the host? |
| 15:10.33 | Lucas- | (i have no /dev/ttyA* or /dev/ttyusb ?) |
| 15:10.34 | Lucas- | no |
| 15:10.37 | Lucas- | not there |
| 15:10.52 | abraxa__ | Then you're missing the kernel modules for it, I'd say (or didn't load them) |
| 15:10.58 | Lucas- | ah |
| 15:11.03 | Lucas- | you know which specific? |
| 15:11.07 | Lucas- | cos i'll just recompile |
| 15:11.53 | abraxa__ | Lucas-: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_CDC_ACM |
| 15:12.06 | Lucas- | cheers reading |
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| 15:13.30 | Lucas- | # USB Device Class drivers |
| 15:13.30 | Lucas- | # |
| 15:13.30 | Lucas- | # CONFIG_USB_ACM is not set |
| 15:13.30 | Lucas- | CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m |
| 15:13.38 | Lucas- | cheers, found in my kernel, recompiling now |
| 15:13.40 | Lucas- | thanks! |
| 15:13.53 | abraxa__ | You're welcome |
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| 19:08.38 | hever | Freerunner is not out but when will it come ? |
| 19:09.29 | summatusmentis | soon... we don't know for sure yet |
| 19:09.42 | Sonicadvance1 | -5 minutes you say? :P |
| 19:11.16 | hever | And when could be the next version hopefully with a camera and other improvements be available ? (Bringing out new hardware versions brings a lot of money) |
| 19:12.01 | hever | summatusmentis, until august the freerunner ? |
| 19:12.49 | summatusmentis | hever: we don't know. and the next version will be the same thing as freerunner, but without the glam chiop |
| 19:12.57 | summatusmentis | glamo chip* |
| 19:14.00 | hever | what is the glamo chip ? |
| 19:14.15 | woglinde | grafics |
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| 19:16.00 | hever | the freerunner is really perfect. But for me a camera is needed really on it.... |
| 19:16.26 | hever | When will be perhaps a camera version available? |
| 19:16.53 | woglinde | hever buy an iphone |
| 19:17.01 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:17.11 | mjr | according to raster 03 will have one. When? Who the fuck knows, not soon. |
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| 19:18.20 | CM | guesses around the merry Yuletide :) |
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| 19:18.37 | mjr | I'd guess more like in a year maybe |
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| 19:19.00 | CM | mjr: Naa.. Now you're being realistic |
| 19:19.05 | CM | ;) |
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| 19:20.16 | CM | TehZorroness: Heh, running on an LFS live cd? |
| 19:20.52 | TehZorroness | SATA problems. had to take out the HD :( |
| 19:21.03 | CM | Ouch, sucks :( |
| 19:21.07 | TehZorroness | so yes :P |
| 19:24.23 | mmontour | hever: "glamo" is the graphics decelerator chip in the Freerunner |
| 19:24.52 | zash | decelerator, lol |
| 19:26.10 | CM | Sad but true |
| 19:26.48 | CM | Hmm.. illume just built, now qtopia-phone-x11 :) |
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| 19:48.58 | SirBob1701 | hey guys i was wondering is the free runner shipping with the QT and Enlightenment interface? |
| 19:49.23 | CM | Last I heard it will |
| 19:49.44 | zash | wasnt that pre-alpha |
| 19:49.47 | SpeedEvil | And does Duke Nukem Forever come on the included512GB microSD? |
| 19:50.05 | SirBob1701 | lol |
| 19:51.35 | Tronic | Hmm.. Enough waiting. |
| 19:51.51 | Tronic | I'll check back once my current Nokia phone dies and I have to buy a new one. |
| 19:51.54 | Tronic | C'ya. |
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| 19:52.27 | zash | If its an old nokia, it wont die |
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| 19:53.37 | zash | i think someone in the cml said they will ship the gtk-stuff |
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| 19:57.52 | mickey|ICE971 | correct |
| 19:57.56 | mickey|ICE971 | this is what has been released to manufacturing |
| 20:01.04 | tomboy64 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware/de#USB_Device says the final freerunner will have a 1700mAh battery. |
| 20:01.10 | tomboy64 | can someone confirm this? |
| 20:01.22 | tomboy64 | i didn't find any info bout that somewhere else |
| 20:01.47 | jamasi | hi, what's the to be expected stanby and talk/usage time for the freerunner? |
| 20:01.53 | zash | tomboy64: note "Neo1973" |
| 20:03.01 | tomboy64 | zash: so why is the freerunner not shipped with a 1700mAh battery? |
| 20:03.10 | mjr | it's old data |
| 20:03.14 | jamasi | as I've senn form dev wiki pre produaction models had some issues with pm. I suppose those are fixed by now, so how much time between forced recharges is to be expected? |
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| 20:04.00 | jamasi | *seen *pre-production |
| 20:04.34 | zash | tomboy64: that is a good question |
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| 20:06.20 | tomboy64 | jamasi: current battery discussion on the ml leads me to believe it to be about 1 day with constant usage |
| 20:06.31 | tomboy64 | from the ml: "Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some informations written in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). " |
| 20:06.53 | CM | Did everyone see Dave Neary's post about gtk and olpc and openmoko? http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/05/29/olpc-openmoko-and-gnome-mobile/ |
| 20:07.06 | tomboy64 | what is olpc? |
| 20:07.10 | CM | Noticed that he was in here asking mickey|ICE971 about it |
| 20:07.14 | CM | One Laptop Per Child |
| 20:07.18 | mickey|ICE971 | that's wrong |
| 20:07.20 | mickey|ICE971 | it's a 1200 |
| 20:07.34 | zash | mickey|ICE971: is it decided? |
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| 20:07.34 | jamasi | well, as German is my mother tongue that would not pose a problem. |
| 20:07.56 | zash | mickey|ICE971, tomboy64: a ml-post from feb says "We are still looking at a number of different batteries" |
| 20:08.24 | tomboy64 | zash: the freerunner is about to be mass-produced. that ml-post is a few days old |
| 20:08.59 | tomboy64 | so if mickey|ICE971 says it's a 1200 battery i believe it :) |
| 20:09.35 | jamasi | another thing: I hope there will be an easy way to shutdown GSM completly. as I only plan to activate the phone functionality if I either expect a call or if I have to call somebody. |
| 20:10.21 | zash | jamasi: afaik, there is |
| 20:10.42 | jamasi | might save some energy as well. |
| 20:11.17 | tomboy64 | i'd be more interesting to get some strong encryption running my voice through it :-D |
| 20:11.33 | tomboy64 | i don't quite trust our secretary of state :-P |
| 20:11.48 | jamasi | useless If you can still be tracked or pinged via silent sms. |
| 20:12.04 | tomboy64 | of course |
| 20:12.10 | XorA|gone | jamasi: GSM chip can be turned off, IE power off from PMU |
| 20:12.37 | XorA|gone | the battery is 1200, 1700 wouldnt physically fit AFAIK |
| 20:12.40 | tomboy64 | jamasi: what's that "silent sms" thingy? never heard about it? |
| 20:13.12 | zash | tomboy64: encrypted voice over gsm seems to be quite tricky. as ppl on the ml's says |
| 20:13.46 | mjr | basically you do it over gsm-data, end of discussion |
| 20:14.02 | tomboy64 | huh? |
| 20:14.13 | zash | or voip over wifi |
| 20:14.39 | mjr | yeah of course wifi and usbnet are options if available, but if using the gsm network, gsm-data it is |
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| 20:15.39 | mickey|ICE971 | yes, there are certain levels of shutting down gsm |
| 20:15.41 | mickey|ICE971 | including "completely" |
| 20:15.45 | mickey|ICE971 | zash: it was a forced decision. we could not find any manufacturer that could deliver more powerful batteries given our formfactor |
| 20:15.52 | mickey|ICE971 | and the formfactor was non-negociatable ;) |
| 20:16.06 | zash | mickey|ICE971: ok |
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| 20:19.47 | zash | could one fit AAA-batteries in the '73 or fr? and would it be enough power to run on? |
| 20:20.09 | jamasi | sorry, had to reconnect. did the webpage about the silent sms get through? |
| 20:20.59 | zash | jamasi: nopes |
| 20:21.19 | mjr | no, unless you do a custom back |
| 20:21.28 | jamasi | http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559535 (search for silent sms) |
| 20:21.40 | mjr | and of course you could run on it, just ask how long |
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| 20:26.31 | zash | mjr: custom back, duct-tape |
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| 20:35.47 | comicinke1 | is it possible to ship a remastered linux distro with the phone, from which someone can use utils discribed in http://quickstart.openmoko.org/ by default, and from where the documentation can reference? |
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| 20:36.19 | CM | comicinke1: You mean make a new image by yourself? |
| 20:36.49 | comicinke1 | maybe remastersys |
| 20:37.54 | comicinke1 | http://klikit.pbwiki.com/Remastersys+FAQ |
| 20:38.24 | CM | comicinke1: Want to install that on the phone? |
| 20:39.08 | CM | Or build an image with it? I'd say there's easier ways to make your own rootfs :) |
| 20:39.14 | comicinke1 | no, do updates with dfu-util to the phone |
| 20:43.25 | comicinke1 | I told a lot of windows guys from the phone. they are quite locked out, because they fear linux, but are intrested in an unlocked phone |
| 20:44.43 | comicinke1 | and you cannot tell a conservative windows guy: it's just that easy: sudo ./dfu-util -a 1 -R -D u-boot-gta01bv5... |
| 20:45.36 | jamasi | you can. it's actually far easier then to tell hin click here and there and then there and then... |
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| 21:29.57 | comicinke1 | jamasi: i'm sorry. you are right. the shell is least common denominator if you don't know the gui |
| 21:30.43 | jamasi | and you have to type much less. |
| 21:31.07 | jamasi | if your user is at least a little educated he can also copy&paste |
| 21:31.57 | comicinke1 | if he knows where to |
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| 21:34.13 | jamasi | but I don't think the freerunner is a mobile aimed at the average john dow, but more at the curious one. |
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| 21:39.31 | comicinke1 | that's pity |
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| 21:41.40 | balrog-kun | well, the hardware is, the software is not in a state where it can be used by average john but it's aimed at average john too eventually |
| 21:44.05 | mjr | I doubt it'll be average-joe ready before 03 comes out (if they stick with it this time) |
| 21:44.27 | zedstar_ | i remember connecting my linux pc in university accomodation in 94...was a bit like that...everyone was telling me this shit is never gonna catch on |
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| 21:45.40 | tomboy64 | :-D |
| 21:45.42 | tomboy64 | hehehe |
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| 21:47.38 | jamasi | well with kde4 we're pretty close to vista |
| 21:47.52 | jamasi | (without that DRM crap) |
| 21:47.59 | comicinke1 | wait- but the hardware and battery run time will be quite ok, or what? |
| 21:48.22 | comicinke1 | I mean usable, like 4 days standby time |
| 21:48.32 | SpeedEvil | As we understand it, with some tweaking, both 01 and 02 should have just fine battery life. |
| 21:48.42 | SpeedEvil | However - it's not there yet. |
| 21:49.02 | jamasi | At the moment I refuse to use a cellular phone, but the freerunner will most likely be the first one I'll buy. |
| 21:49.22 | comicinke1 | oh shit, I made to much of advertisment to my friends |
| 21:49.31 | balrog-kun | jamasi: only if you restrict the comparison to how the UIs look |
| 21:50.24 | comicinke1 | They will kill me. "Will it be usable?" "Yes, of course. Unpack it, power it on, there you go." |
| 21:50.45 | jamasi | if you take a look at the subsytem then linux/gnu/.. is ahead of windows, yes. |
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| 21:51.42 | jamasi | well for games directx is much better documented though and a more integrated framework, but still sdl is not that bad either. |
| 21:53.45 | jamasi | and for more interoperability wine is even very close to 1.0 now. and vitualisation (virtualbox or qemu) are also a nice option today. |
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| 22:26.00 | haakeyar | roh: ping |
| 22:30.38 | haakeyar | roh: Nevermind, I was trying to create an account at admin-trac.openmoko.org. I didn't know that I had to create one at docs.openmoko.org first. |
| 22:31.05 | haakeyar | roh: (btw, why the strange domain docs.openmoko.org and not bugs.openmoko.org or trac.openmoko.org?) |
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| 22:48.27 | BryceLeo | hey guys, sorry about the obscenely long abscence |
| 22:48.31 | BryceLeo | what's been up? |
| 22:50.22 | SpeedEvil | It's not out yet. |
| 22:50.33 | SpeedEvil | It's supposed to be out soon. |
| 22:51.00 | zedstar_ | ooooh u shud have said it sold out |
| 22:52.35 | balrog-kun | BryceLeo: nothing much really, Openmoko Inc. merged with Google and Google got bought by CocaCola |
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| 22:53.05 | zedstar_ | that's more like it :) |
| 22:53.14 | BryceLeo | lol balrog-kun so does that mean that google will be stocking mello yellow?! |
| 22:53.16 | BryceLeo | if so, i'm applyin |
| 22:53.17 | BryceLeo | g* |
| 22:53.32 | BryceLeo | yello* |
| 22:55.05 | balrog-kun | yes, and the bottles now have lava-lamp form |
| 22:55.56 | BryceLeo | hahaha, sounds great |
| 22:56.01 | zedstar_ | and everyone uses gmail accounts with targetted ads because they no best |
| 22:57.19 | HauDyr | I have a suggestion: It would be nice if you could see a overview of all the components (CPU, GPU, GSM) in GTA2 in form of a flowchart or svg diagram on the wiki, i have been looking but i could not find it |
| 22:57.34 | BryceLeo | flow chart? |
| 22:58.10 | HauDyr | just some form of component diagram |
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| 22:59.21 | HauDyr | or even better a diagram of the PCB |
| 22:59.23 | BryceLeo | i'm genuinely curious as to what sort of benefit this would have, what am i missing? |
| 22:59.29 | BryceLeo | ahh a diagram of the pcb i could understand |
| 23:00.19 | HauDyr | when i said component diagam i actualy ment a simplified PCB diagram |
| 23:00.27 | zedstar_ | i wanna see the core team in leopard thongs |
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| 23:02.06 | jamasi | HauDyr: are you thinking of something like this: http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/DM320_Platform_development ? |
| 23:03.15 | HauDyr | jamasi, more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_diagram |
| 23:03.43 | SpeedEvil | there are no circuit diagrams |
| 23:04.01 | SpeedEvil | Well - there are - but... |
| 23:04.13 | HauDyr | let me guess NDA |
| 23:04.20 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:04.27 | jamasi | too complex? |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, not even available under NDA |
| 23:05.05 | SpeedEvil | GPU is connected over a 7MB/s bus to the CPU. |
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| 23:05.12 | jamasi | kind of contradicts the open hardware approach. |
| 23:05.14 | SpeedEvil | It has the LCD and SD connected to it. |
| 23:05.27 | SpeedEvil | GSM modem and GPS are connected to serial ports on the SoC |
| 23:05.42 | SpeedEvil | Bluetooth and USB port are connected to USB ports on the SoC |
| 23:06.10 | SpeedEvil | Sound is connected to the IIS port, and I2C |
| 23:06.17 | SpeedEvil | PMU is connected to I2C |
| 23:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Wifi card is connected to SPI |
| 23:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Accels are connected to I2C |
| 23:07.34 | BryceLeo | speed was all that stored in your brain? |
| 23:07.37 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:07.53 | BryceLeo | hahaha, this is why you're awesome |
| 23:07.57 | BryceLeo | man i missed having time to be on here |
| 23:07.59 | SpeedEvil | Assorted stuff - battery info, switches are connected to GPIOs |
| 23:08.15 | SpeedEvil | LEDs are on the PMU |
| 23:08.22 | HauDyr | SpeedEvil, if all this you said was in a diagram it would be easy to get a quick overview |
| 23:08.37 | SpeedEvil | Feel free. |
| 23:09.50 | HauDyr | hmm, maby i will |
| 23:10.24 | jamasi | you could do it with freemind or inksacpe, I suppose |
| 23:10.57 | BryceLeo | ... |
| 23:10.59 | BryceLeo | how bout Dia |
| 23:11.11 | BryceLeo | it's a sweet program, easy to use, heck even umbrello is pretty good |
| 23:11.12 | zash | dia ftw! |
| 23:11.12 | HauDyr | jamasi, yep SVG is a good way to do it |
| 23:11.13 | jamasi | or oodraw |
| 23:11.26 | zash | or, pen + paper! |
| 23:11.38 | BryceLeo | lol then scan in inkscape and make an svg! |
| 23:11.39 | jamasi | paintbrush ;) |
| 23:11.47 | comicinke1 | visio |
| 23:11.51 | comicinke1 | ;) |
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| 23:12.05 | BryceLeo | ewww |
| 23:12.10 | BryceLeo | i just threw up a little in my mouth |
| 23:12.44 | SpeedEvil | xfig |
| 23:13.05 | zedstar_ | xfig rocks |
| 23:13.24 | BryceLeo | xfig is pretty cool |
| 23:13.30 | BryceLeo | a little dated |
| 23:13.33 | BryceLeo | but gets the job done |
| 23:14.46 | mwester | Word |
| 23:14.56 | HauDyr | But anyway, OpenMoko is a super project and i look forwad to using FreeRunner as my phone |
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| 23:15.32 | BryceLeo | i hope you were using the colloquial term "word" as in "i agree" and not as a nickname for "microsoft office word" |
| 23:15.34 | BryceLeo | :-P |
| 23:16.16 | BryceLeo | i really started to get excited again with the UI switch that came up. |
| 23:16.24 | BryceLeo | gtk is just too big 'n slow |
| 23:16.59 | zedstar_ | gtk is ok....until someone comes up with some decent mobile gui apps the dury is out |
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| 23:18.14 | SpeedEvil | GTK is absolutely not the problem. |
| 23:18.33 | SpeedEvil | A full set of GTK apps could be almost trivially ported. |
| 23:20.23 | BryceLeo | the toolkit is so heavy compared to qtopia though |
| 23:20.55 | jamasi | I prefer QT |
| 23:21.23 | SpeedEvil | Toolkit eight is not the problem. |
| 23:21.33 | SpeedEvil | It's a 400MHz CPU on a VGA display |
| 23:21.39 | SpeedEvil | That's not especially slow. |
| 23:21.41 | BryceLeo | completness of apps? |
| 23:22.04 | zedstar_ | yeh but regardless applications is what counts....palm os has some great apps nobody is gonna claim that is a great gui/os |
| 23:24.24 | zedstar_ | i think gtk/qtopia etc are all pretty good and we got no excuse but to knock out some good apps |
| 23:24.53 | BryceLeo | i'm currently trying to catch up on blogs |
| 23:25.14 | BryceLeo | but it looks like the pim applications for qtopia are largely complete and drop ins |
| 23:25.31 | HauDyr | Nice talking to you all, see ya |
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| 23:26.04 | jamasi | I'm happy if those will sync nicely with kontact or akonadi |
| 23:27.10 | BryceLeo | i kind of agree with you, but i wouldn't care much if we had to use some home-grown java app as long as it was consistent and worked as well as syncing my treo does |
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