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| 04:50.26 | BSCH | hello, everyone |
| 04:52.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 07:01.18 | MouseBerry | my freerunner gat02 v5 's mic has very little sound |
| 07:02.46 | MouseBerry | far end must listen my voice very carefully |
| 07:02.58 | yangh | I wanna a zhone:) |
| 07:03.01 | MouseBerry | anyone have same question? |
| 07:03.45 | ScaredyCat | pokes at MouseBerry |
| 07:03.54 | ScaredyCat | noone else has one :( |
| 07:03.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:04.29 | MouseBerry | sorry my phone is neo 1973 |
| 07:04.36 | ScaredyCat | gta01 ? |
| 07:04.41 | ScaredyCat | not 02 |
| 07:04.49 | MouseBerry | yeah |
| 07:05.21 | ScaredyCat | did you fiddle with the alamixer settings to see if you could make it better |
| 07:05.54 | MouseBerry | i listen peer's voice very clear |
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| 07:10.30 | MouseBerry | hello ScaredyCat,thank you help me ,but i don't understand what you say |
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| 07:34.21 | ScaredyCat | ssh into the neo |
| 07:34.23 | ScaredyCat | type alsamixer |
| 07:34.25 | ScaredyCat | you should be able to see and change the mic settings |
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| 09:51.04 | dbmood2 | hi a when are we able to pick one up -- the 16th is it ? |
| 09:52.25 | madwoota | afaik, thats the start of production, i expect it will still be some time before we get our hands on them |
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| 09:56.06 | dbmood2 | ;0 |
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| 11:24.09 | mickeyl | Robot101: thanks for the _dbus_error_name. I see that this name gets marshalled and appears at the client side of the transaction. To do actual client-side processing, what you usually do is have a catchall for DBusException and then inspect the _dbus_error_name for further details? |
| 11:25.13 | Robot101 | hmmm |
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| 11:26.43 | mickeyl | because I didn't see a chance you can catch more specific DBusException on the client side |
| 11:27.12 | mickeyl | i did not find many examples that use error handling at all *cough* |
| 11:28.23 | Robot101 | seems you need e.get_dbus_name() |
| 11:28.59 | mickeyl | right, that is the friendly accessor giving me _dbus_error_name |
| 11:29.21 | Robot101 | yeah |
| 11:29.26 | mickeyl | wrt. code style, i don't like catching all DBusExceptions though :/ |
| 11:29.33 | mickeyl | i'd rather have code like: |
| 11:29.42 | mickeyl | catch FSOGSMException: |
| 11:29.46 | mickeyl | catch FSOSIMException: |
| 11:29.52 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 11:30.01 | mickeyl | s/catch/except/ |
| 11:30.19 | Robot101 | that implies an API to register a mapping from d-bus error names to local exception classes, I guess |
| 11:30.20 | mickeyl | (it's all syntactic sugar, of course) |
| 11:30.27 | mickeyl | exactly |
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| 11:31.15 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 11:31.40 | mickeyl | do you know offhand a somewhat larger example where python-dbus is used both as client or server` |
| 11:31.41 | mickeyl | ? |
| 11:32.07 | Robot101 | OLPC's sugar? |
| 11:32.08 | mickeyl | I've not been finding a lot. especially hardly anyone does error processing, async services, and all the other goodies |
| 11:32.15 | mickeyl | oh, good idea |
| 11:32.18 | Robot101 | big pile of python |
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| 11:32.29 | mickeyl | cool |
| 11:32.36 | Robot101 | they're a bit odd because they use pygobject a lot |
| 11:32.43 | Robot101 | for internal objects and such |
| 11:32.48 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 11:32.55 | mickeyl | i only use gobject for mainloop, idle timers, etc. |
| 11:33.10 | Robot101 | yeah |
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| 11:33.21 | Robot101 | they define/emit signals with gobject |
| 11:33.32 | mickeyl | uh, interesting. |
| 11:33.44 | mickeyl | within python there are alternatives. i wonder why they're doing that |
| 11:34.00 | mickeyl | perhaps they interface with compiled gobjects anywhere |
| 11:35.33 | mickeyl | who did the python-dbus bindings btw? |
| 11:36.12 | Robot101 | a series of people, starting somewhere in the beginning of time with Seth Nickell |
| 11:36.33 | Robot101 | then much badgering by many of the dbus guys |
| 11:36.44 | Robot101 | then some J5 |
| 11:36.47 | Robot101 | then some me/robtaylor |
| 11:36.54 | Robot101 | then some big rewriting of the low-levels by smcv |
| 11:37.16 | Robot101 | and at least deprecating/cleaning up some of the higher level API |
| 11:37.38 | mickeyl | i see. well, the guy who added the decorators should receive a free beer from me |
| 11:37.48 | mickeyl | but there's still a lot of non-pythonic feeling to it |
| 11:37.55 | mickeyl | i should fix that at some point of time |
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| 11:52.07 | ScaredyCat | ok, who broke th elibgsmd build |
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| 12:16.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03vesa.pikki * r2a4059628418 10/ (15 files in 4 dirs): |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Updated Call tests and libfreesmartphone to use changed fso api. |
| 12:16.37 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Began adding call holding related tests. |
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| 13:48.44 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4425 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: download required packages before install and report progress to clients |
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| 14:21.30 | linuxxr | maybe sumfin great will happen today |
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| 14:27.18 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
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| 14:35.05 | cb22 | *holds breath* |
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| 14:35.51 | summatusmentis | cb22: what're you waiting for? |
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| 14:37.21 | mwester | observes someone gradually turning blue from lack of oxygen. |
| 14:38.32 | josch | summatusmentis, he waits for me showing up in my camisole |
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| 14:38.40 | summatusmentis | oh hot! |
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| 14:40.33 | liwei | hi anyone here? |
| 14:40.59 | liwei | could you tell which software can irc in ubuntu? |
| 14:41.19 | liwei | i am using ircII ,it's very ugly i feel |
| 14:41.30 | summatusmentis | you're looking for an ubuntu client? |
| 14:41.32 | xaid|work | liwei: try xchat or if you like a text-based client, try irssi |
| 14:41.41 | summatusmentis | yeah, xchat > * |
| 14:41.56 | liwei | o,yeah ,i will try xchat |
| 14:42.03 | liwei | i heard it |
| 14:42.07 | liwei | thank you |
| 14:42.10 | josch | liwei, use sudo apt-get install xchat |
| 14:42.10 | xaid|work | i like irssi personally :) but thats because i detach my sessions and i don't have x running all the time. |
| 14:42.16 | josch | so NOT use xchat-gnome |
| 14:42.48 | summatusmentis | xaid|work: yeah, if I had a server that I could do that on, I would |
| 14:43.29 | josch | i use xchat because i dislike text based irc clients |
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| 14:45.48 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, josch, hey people |
| 14:46.02 | liwei | exit |
| 14:46.06 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 14:46.34 | josch | y0 Sup3rkiddo |
| 14:46.43 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, whats up with you gsoc project? |
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| 14:47.17 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, nothing much yet...been busy with finals.... |
| 14:47.35 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I hear that :-/ |
| 14:47.41 | Sup3rkiddo | slowly but surely getting a hang of vala as well |
| 14:47.53 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, :)...hows yours coming along? |
| 14:48.42 | summatusmentis | I went through some of the learning curve stuff, but I haven't touched it for like two weeks because of finals and end of sem stuff |
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| 14:49.19 | Sup3rkiddo | ah...still have a couple of weeks more... |
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| 14:51.07 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: you still have 2 more weeks of finals? |
| 14:51.07 | summatusmentis | mine'll be done at the end of this week |
| 14:51.08 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, mine is over :D.... |
| 14:51.08 | summatusmentis | oh... |
| 14:51.08 | Sup3rkiddo | today was the last |
| 14:51.08 | summatusmentis | lol, mine will be done at the end of this week |
| 14:51.08 | Sup3rkiddo | laughs at summatusmentis |
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| 14:52.18 | liwei | hello I coming back use xchat |
| 14:52.34 | summatusmentis | and? what do you think? |
| 14:52.43 | liwei | haha,it's very well |
| 14:52.52 | Sup3rkiddo | xchat FTW |
| 14:53.02 | data_jepp | weechat FTW |
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| 14:54.27 | liwei | i come here want to ask a question about connect to neo1973 by usb cable |
| 14:54.46 | SpeedEvil | liwei: on linux? |
| 14:54.52 | liwei | ubuntu 7.10 |
| 14:55.05 | liwei | i havn't find /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 14:55.18 | SpeedEvil | You're trying to flash it? |
| 14:55.25 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - to talk to the bootloader? |
| 14:55.31 | liwei | yes |
| 14:55.55 | SpeedEvil | Do you have the cdc_acm module loaded? |
| 14:55.58 | liwei | i want to flash it to lastest revsion |
| 14:56.15 | liwei | how can i do it? |
| 14:56.23 | SpeedEvil | look on the wiki |
| 14:56.28 | SpeedEvil | flashing_openmoko IIRc |
| 14:56.44 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
| 14:56.46 | liwei | ok,i try to find it |
| 14:56.54 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko |
| 14:56.57 | liwei | thank you very much |
| 14:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Good liuck! |
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| 15:02.50 | Sup3rkiddo | mtn: misuse: database /home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/OE.mtn is laid out according to an old schema, is this because of the recent SCM change? |
| 15:03.40 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: sounds like you upgraded you mtn version |
| 15:04.08 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, oh dang..yes i did |
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| 15:04.32 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: then download newer db version or use migrate commands |
| 15:04.45 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, yeah..on it...thanks |
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| 15:06.23 | SpeedEvil | when did the 'nand erase rootfs' requirement of reflashing go away? |
| 15:06.31 | SpeedEvil | is updating hte page. |
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| 15:07.33 | XorA | SpeedEvil: years ago |
| 15:08.06 | XorA | SpeedEvil: about a week after P1 phones were shipped if I remeber right |
| 15:09.08 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:09.28 | SpeedEvil | I put it as 'before 2008' - which is certainly correct. |
| 15:11.26 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4426 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_message.c: opkg: add default message handler |
| 15:12.03 | liwei | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux |
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| 15:12.27 | liwei | hi ,SpeedEvil ,you give me page can't help me |
| 15:13.28 | SpeedEvil | what's the problem you're having? |
| 15:13.34 | XorA | liwei: hold the aux key while turning on, when phone boots select Set console to USB |
| 15:13.42 | zedstar | i thought the nand erase requirement existed if u didnt update the boot loader? |
| 15:13.43 | XorA | liwei: then ttyACM0 should appear |
| 15:14.02 | liwei | i didn't find /dev/ttyACM0 , i couldn't find where to enable CONFIG_USB_ACM |
| 15:14.21 | SpeedEvil | make menuconfig |
| 15:14.22 | XorA | liwei: you kernel in ubuntu already has correct config |
| 15:14.28 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 15:14.35 | SpeedEvil | modprobe cdc_acm |
| 15:14.41 | SpeedEvil | or is it... |
| 15:14.43 | liwei | wo try to use 'sudo wvdialconf',bug it useless |
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| 15:15.51 | spydon | lo ppl |
| 15:16.02 | liwei | so ,i should try modprobe cdc_acm? |
| 15:17.05 | liwei | to XorA :i have do it like you said |
| 15:17.36 | liwei | i can use 'lsusb' find my neo1973 |
| 15:18.39 | liwei | but ,i cound't connect to /dev/ttyACM0 , because i don't have it |
| 15:19.02 | XorA | do the boot menu thing then reset, ttyACM0 should then appear |
| 15:19.26 | SpeedEvil | unplug/replug =reset |
| 15:20.14 | liwei | i select Set console to USB , then return boot menu about 2s later |
| 15:20.33 | SpeedEvil | and no - not set console to usb - just leave it showing the boot menu |
| 15:21.39 | liwei | yes ,i leave it showing the boot menu |
| 15:21.53 | SpeedEvil | lsusb should then change |
| 15:22.05 | liwei | yes , it change |
| 15:22.16 | liwei | have new usb device |
| 15:22.51 | SpeedEvil | ok - does modprobe cdc_acm do anything? |
| 15:22.51 | liwei | Bus 003 Device 014: ID 1d50:5120 |
| 15:23.34 | liwei | sorry,i don't understand , how to modprobe cdc_acm |
| 15:24.00 | SpeedEvil | open a terminal |
| 15:24.04 | liwei | en |
| 15:24.09 | SpeedEvil | type modprobe cdc_acm |
| 15:24.13 | SpeedEvil | does it do anything? |
| 15:24.37 | liwei | nothing happen |
| 15:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Ok - do you get any messages in /var/log/messages saying anything? |
| 15:25.44 | SpeedEvil | sorry - gotta be AFK a bit |
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| 15:28.20 | liwei | ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged! |
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| 15:34.20 | glaif | hi, i have a question regarding flashing a Freerunner phone. I cannot seem to get logged in to the uboot even though i follow the wiki directions. Can anyone help me please? |
| 15:37.21 | liwei | thank you SpeedEvil |
| 15:38.09 | liwei | i have resolve it |
| 15:38.14 | liwei | it my fault |
| 15:38.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:38.26 | liwei | i forget use sudo |
| 15:38.36 | SpeedEvil | gia: you have a freerunner? |
| 15:38.37 | liwei | don't kill me please |
| 15:38.43 | SpeedEvil | gla: |
| 15:39.05 | liwei | thank you speedevil very very very much |
| 15:39.18 | SpeedEvil | Glad you got it working. |
| 15:39.45 | SpeedEvil | gla: or the first version - the neo1973? |
| 15:39.51 | XorA | SpeedEvil: he quit before anyone could say anything |
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| 15:40.09 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:40.11 | glaif | sorry...disconnected |
| 15:40.19 | SpeedEvil | gia: you have a freerunner? |
| 15:40.21 | SpeedEvil | glaif: or the first version - the neo1973? |
| 15:40.32 | glaif | freerunner |
| 15:40.40 | glaif | gta02 |
| 15:40.44 | SpeedEvil | Dunno then. |
| 15:40.50 | glaif | k |
| 15:41.06 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. few here have one, so knowledge is limited. |
| 15:42.40 | liwei | i think gta02 is similar as gta01 in software deal |
| 15:42.55 | SpeedEvil | But uboot differes |
| 15:43.15 | XorA | a devirginised gta02 is the same as gta01 as far as getting to u-boot |
| 15:43.25 | glaif | yeah...hard to get into uboot...you have to use neocon utility |
| 15:44.12 | glaif | XorA: What do you mean by devirginised? |
| 15:44.14 | mjr | chuckles at the name |
| 15:44.17 | mwester | I don't think you *have* to use neocon; neocon has some nice features, though. cu works for the GTA01. |
| 15:44.28 | SpeedEvil | XorA: is the 'recover' flash actually implemented yet? |
| 15:44.32 | XorA | glaif: one that has come from factoru, or been configured right |
| 15:44.44 | XorA | SpeedEvil: should be, and I think its flashed in factory |
| 15:44.59 | SpeedEvil | XorA: it boots that first, then that boots NAND? |
| 15:45.26 | XorA | SpeedEvil: no, if you hold aux before power, it boots from NOR |
| 15:45.35 | SpeedEvil | What implements that? |
| 15:45.40 | SpeedEvil | Hardware? |
| 15:47.45 | XorA | SpeedEvil: yes |
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| 16:01.17 | liwei | how to use Set console to USB , i found it no use |
| 16:01.57 | liwei | i can connect it while not select Set console to USB |
| 16:03.17 | TAsn-ghost | does the topic mean i will be able to buy a consumer openmoko soon? or is it dev? |
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| 16:03.32 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r1c5d2dfce8ed 10/gta02-dm2/ (build data/iperf): From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 16:04.52 | liwei | which topic? |
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| 16:06.55 | Qwell | TAsn-ghost: the topic is referring to hardware only. It is still a development product |
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| 16:07.10 | TAsn-ghost | Qwell, oh. |
| 16:07.27 | TAsn-ghost | is sad :) |
| 16:11.25 | TAsn | will it be usable? i mean is suspend implemented? what about battery life? gsm and phone in general? |
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| 16:14.26 | bricode | Anyone have any success building qtopia and underground images using MokoMakefile? |
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| 16:22.49 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy * r51175a94f5c7 10/gta02-dm2/ (build data/iperf): add-iperf.patch |
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| 16:24.57 | liwei | i want to boot from sd card , which rootfs i should download? ( .yaffs or .tar.gz ) |
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| 16:55.41 | gtodd | hello, can anyone tell me if the USB port on the new hardware (i.e. Neo1973 GTA02 - aka FreeRunner) will allow for charging of the phone via USB ? |
| 16:56.11 | liwei | yes |
| 16:56.46 | bricode | gtodd: Yep. The power adaptor that ships with it is 5V 2.0A. |
| 16:56.54 | liwei | through usb can boot if no battery |
| 16:57.26 | gtodd | oh cool ... probably a bunch of "off the shelf" generic USB power hardware will work too |
| 16:57.57 | bricode | gtodd: Yep. I occasionally charge mine with my Blackberry charger. |
| 16:58.06 | gtodd | cool so I could plug the phone into my computer's USB port and charge it up? |
| 16:58.16 | gtodd | very nice and flexible |
| 16:58.34 | bricode | gtodd: Yep. Even log into it using ssh over usb. |
| 16:58.51 | gtodd | the flexible charging alone will be a major marketing feature |
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| 16:59.56 | Deubeuliou | why can the Neo be so cheaper than the iPhone ? |
| 17:00.17 | Deubeuliou | s§why/how |
| 17:00.48 | gtodd | I look forward to writing a shell script for the GPS features that will allow the phone to send out a geohashed location just before its battery dies "come and find me |
| 17:00.55 | gtodd | master" ... |
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| 17:01.20 | liwei | hehe , good idea |
| 17:01.23 | Deubeuliou | :D |
| 17:02.18 | CVirus | deja vu |
| 17:02.22 | CVirus | anyways |
| 17:02.30 | CVirus | gtodd: how do you plan to send this message ? |
| 17:02.36 | CVirus | normal sms ? |
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| 17:03.29 | gtodd | dunno ... email/sms/jabber :-) if only geohash.org had 1x1 metre precision so I could find the phone in my office |
| 17:03.31 | liwei | but i will tell you a thing that freerunner's battery can support very short time , about erverday have to charge it |
| 17:03.47 | gtodd | liwei: :-( |
| 17:03.57 | gtodd | liwei: well maybe it will get better |
| 17:03.59 | SpeedEvil | liwei: the power saving software is _not_ done. |
| 17:04.35 | gtodd | geohash.org is pretty cool :) |
| 17:05.15 | liwei | well maybe done in GTA02 V6? |
| 17:05.38 | gtodd | can't wait to get my hands on a Neo ... my sense is it will be the geographically-savvy phone par excellence |
| 17:05.44 | gtodd | cheers |
| 17:05.46 | liwei | software or hardware can't saving? |
| 17:06.20 | SpeedEvil | software |
| 17:06.32 | SpeedEvil | the hardware can do it - it's just that the software needs to turn it on. |
| 17:06.43 | unknown_lamer | aren't there working cpufreq patches and stuff? |
| 17:06.44 | SpeedEvil | (or off) |
| 17:06.48 | liwei | sounds good |
| 17:07.00 | unknown_lamer | If they do then ... at the very least emacs /etc/cpufreqd.conf works |
| 17:07.02 | liwei | i have another question about mic |
| 17:07.11 | unknown_lamer | and then setting the X dpms settings |
| 17:07.15 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: cpufreq is tlimited |
| 17:07.23 | liwei | i found my mic 's sound is very small |
| 17:07.27 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: you need one big daemon that handles it all. |
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| 17:07.58 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: from turning on/off the LCD, to ringtones, to ... |
| 17:08.04 | Deubeuliou | there is no camera, is there ? |
| 17:08.09 | SpeedEvil | Deubeuliou: yes |
| 17:08.13 | SpeedEvil | Deubeuliou: there is no camera. |
| 17:08.23 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: aye, but before the power management stuff is fully working just telling cpufreqd to keep the processor running at minimum speed would hopefully give a bit of extra life |
| 17:08.24 | liwei | peer's people want to listen to me must careful |
| 17:09.03 | zedstar_ | gtodd how does geohash work....u have some cordinates and make a hash of it? and then? |
| 17:09.08 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: sure |
| 17:09.14 | liwei | do you have the same issue? |
| 17:09.22 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: bury some hash there. |
| 17:09.36 | zedstar_ | lol |
| 17:09.51 | gtodd | zedstar: yup ... the neat thing is the longer the hash the more precision ... |
| 17:10.02 | gtodd | zedstar: the hashes aren't random |
| 17:10.03 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: but I guess we'll get to see in a monthish |
| 17:10.10 | gtodd | zedstar: just shorthand |
| 17:10.33 | unknown_lamer | at this point if it can stay on for an entire day and talk more than half an hour I'll be happy ... poor old nokia is damn near dead |
| 17:10.48 | zedstar_ | the point being u query then via hash rather than lookup with coordinates? |
| 17:11.27 | gtodd | zedstar: yes, you consume it ... use the hash to add place names, etc. |
| 17:11.56 | gtodd | it's quite convenient ... the hash sort becomes like a telephone number :) |
| 17:12.04 | zedstar_ | but isnt a hash more confusing that decimal coordinates which are also unique enough? |
| 17:12.11 | zedstar_ | than |
| 17:12.28 | SpeedEvil | Is the hash for encryption? |
| 17:12.42 | SpeedEvil | I like the quadtiles method |
| 17:12.53 | SpeedEvil | 0 means northern hemisphere, 1 southern |
| 17:13.10 | SpeedEvil | 01 means northwestern quarter sphere |
| 17:13.31 | SpeedEvil | 010 means northnorthwestern eighth of a sphere |
| 17:14.26 | SpeedEvil | (0N-45N -180W - 0W) |
| 17:15.01 | SpeedEvil | Each subsequent bit halves the area that a location can be in. |
| 17:15.26 | Robot101 | mmm, thats nice |
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| 17:16.27 | gtodd | zedstar ... the hash is more compact I guess |
| 17:16.40 | TAsn | will it be usable? i mean is suspend implemented? what about battery life? gsm and phone in general? (reffering to up and coming release) |
| 17:16.46 | gtodd | anyway gotta jet |
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| 17:16.50 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: it will not be usable |
| 17:16.58 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: it will be very much a work in progress. |
| 17:17.16 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: it will not be usable ( for most end-users) when it's released. |
| 17:17.36 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, :\ |
| 17:17.40 | SpeedEvil | Make/recieve SMS and calls, 6h or so on battery - no problem. |
| 17:17.47 | SpeedEvil | Much more, and it will vary. |
| 17:18.02 | TAsn | oh, this is what i meant by usable |
| 17:18.12 | thresh | 6 hours in standby? |
| 17:18.17 | TAsn | reasonable battery life and calls/sms |
| 17:18.27 | thresh | or 6 hours in talks |
| 17:18.29 | TAsn | thresh, i guess standby isn't working yet |
| 17:18.37 | TAsn | suspend that is |
| 17:18.46 | unknown_lamer | thresh: raster says he gets 5-6 hours with it on (no power saving at all iirc) |
| 17:18.50 | Qwell | I have a dumb somewhat related question for you guys.. if the phone is only going to get 6 hours, I'd like to carry another phone with me.. is there some way to make both phones ring on the same DID? I guess basically have the "same" SIM in both |
| 17:18.54 | unknown_lamer | thresh: but not making calls afaik |
| 17:19.07 | TAsn | Qwell, yeah |
| 17:19.22 | Qwell | I don't know how GSM registrations work |
| 17:19.26 | TAsn | just go to your provider and ask for a second sim |
| 17:19.32 | TAsn | i also don't know |
| 17:19.38 | TAsn | i just know i got 2 sims |
| 17:19.38 | unknown_lamer | Qwell: each SIM is unique from eternity to eternity or the heat death of the universe |
| 17:19.42 | TAsn | and 2 phones |
| 17:19.52 | TAsn | same number |
| 17:19.52 | Qwell | TAsn: and more importantly, 2 phone numbers |
| 17:19.55 | Qwell | oh? |
| 17:20.03 | TAsn | both ring at the same time. |
| 17:20.09 | Qwell | hmm, gsm? what provider? |
| 17:20.24 | TAsn | gsm, orange |
| 17:20.34 | Qwell | interesting. I'll have to ask t-mo |
| 17:21.01 | TAsn | you should, though they charge extra for this. |
| 17:21.12 | unknown_lamer | Qwell: if you *really* want to do something like that you'll need two lines (evil! but not *that* expensive if you do the shared plan minutes thing with t-mo) |
| 17:21.23 | Qwell | +$10/mo |
| 17:21.29 | Qwell | which isn't terrible, but.. |
| 17:21.35 | unknown_lamer | Qwell: then you could set up a gsm call forward thing to forward calls from your freerunner number to the backup number when it is not reachable |
| 17:21.52 | thresh | huh, i think i'll reconsider buying freerunner now |
| 17:22.03 | Qwell | unknown_lamer: yeah, that's reasonable |
| 17:22.16 | unknown_lamer | I forget how they bill forwarded calls nowadays ... last time I did it to a landline you got 500 secret minutes for forwarding, but they've clamped down on stuff like that in the last three years so you may get double charged |
| 17:22.43 | TAsn | thresh, im also considering. |
| 17:22.53 | Qwell | forwarded messages would be covered by my in-plan minutes (unlimited) |
| 17:22.55 | TAsn | 400$ isn't too expensive |
| 17:23.06 | thresh | well, yeah.. |
| 17:23.09 | TAsn | my nokia 6680 died |
| 17:23.20 | unknown_lamer | I paid nearly that much for my 100Mhz / 12M RAM / 8M flash phone! |
| 17:23.23 | TAsn | my only problem battery life |
| 17:23.30 | thresh | but it's apparently not worth it for 400$ as for me |
| 17:24.01 | TAsn | thresh, troublesome. |
| 17:24.06 | TAsn | i really want one |
| 17:24.21 | thresh | i do, but i want a working one :) |
| 17:24.22 | TAsn | i dream about one for more than an year now. |
| 17:24.28 | TAsn | thresh, same here |
| 17:24.36 | TAsn | that's why i aint got gta01 |
| 17:24.55 | ScaredyCat | think I'd better dance now..... |
| 17:24.56 | ScaredyCat | .. |
| 17:25.02 | bipak_ | hi, do you plan to add a line in/out audio jack at the PCB? |
| 17:25.04 | TAsn | i may not have enough time to config it endlessly |
| 17:25.14 | TAsn | Bigcheese, it has out. |
| 17:25.17 | TAsn | i think |
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| 17:25.24 | TAsn | bipak_, * |
| 17:25.33 | SpeedEvil | bipolar: you can do USB audio in |
| 17:25.47 | kinneh | is X11 still broken in head ? |
| 17:26.13 | bipak_ | hmm would be nice to record directly from my hardware mixer |
| 17:26.23 | Lintus | so, any very new news about starting mass prod? |
| 17:26.47 | TAsn | 16 may |
| 17:27.01 | TAsn | is the deadline as the topic implies. |
| 17:27.08 | Lintus | i thought there would be more latest. |
| 17:28.35 | TAsn | the only thing im scared of |
| 17:28.42 | Lintus | Cant wait for it. Will there be any haberdashery in the package for early buyers? |
| 17:29.11 | TAsn | is buying freerunner and a week later a new phone will be out, just like gta01 and freerunner. |
| 17:29.12 | TAsn | :\ |
| 17:29.27 | ScaredyCat | unlikely |
| 17:29.28 | Lintus | New openmoko? |
| 17:29.38 | TAsn | Lintus, im afraid of. |
| 17:29.39 | Lintus | I think no :D |
| 17:29.47 | Qwell | "the SIM card in the second phone would be different of course, but internally would still have the same MSISDN assigned to it (phone number)... and the HLR would probably just have multiple entries based on the SIM card's IMSI for locations of the phones" "then when a call is placed outgoing it probably bills/authenticates MSISDN" "then inbound it finds each IMSI on record for the MSISDN, and call each..." |
| 17:29.51 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, what about upgrades in the pcb? |
| 17:29.58 | Qwell | if anybody is curious how that might work - technically :D |
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| 17:30.08 | TAsn | Qwell, :) |
| 17:30.16 | TAsn | i don't need theory |
| 17:30.20 | ScaredyCat | I don't think they'll rev the board, unless there'd a big problem |
| 17:30.21 | TAsn | i got it working :) |
| 17:30.36 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, i saw somewhere in the website |
| 17:30.42 | Qwell | TAsn: yeah, wasn't saying you didn't. I was just asking around how it work actually work :) |
| 17:30.55 | Qwell | it's interesting, from a technical perspective |
| 17:31.00 | TAsn | Qwell, i know, j/k :) |
| 17:31.12 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, they said something about |
| 17:31.16 | ScaredyCat | Qwell: there's a twin phone out there... it's like 2 phones stuck back to back |
| 17:31.17 | TAsn | A6 or A5 |
| 17:31.23 | TAsn | or i don't know what. |
| 17:31.27 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: but that reads the same SIM, yeah? |
| 17:31.28 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that's sorted TAsn |
| 17:31.35 | ScaredyCat | Qwell: no 2 sims |
| 17:31.40 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, oh, cool :) |
| 17:31.43 | Qwell | odd |
| 17:31.48 | Qwell | what's the..err..purpose? |
| 17:31.49 | TAsn | Qwell, he is talking about dual sim phones |
| 17:31.57 | TAsn | two diffrent lines |
| 17:31.58 | ScaredyCat | Qwell: business + personal |
| 17:32.02 | Qwell | yeah, I can see dual sim phones, but...two phones? |
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| 17:32.11 | ScaredyCat | it's one phone |
| 17:32.15 | ScaredyCat | just looks like 2 |
| 17:32.16 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, exaclly what i was about to say |
| 17:32.23 | Qwell | yeah, why would you n...nevermind |
| 17:32.23 | TAsn | doesn't look |
| 17:32.25 | TAsn | work |
| 17:32.40 | TAsn | Qwell, as he said, biz vs personal |
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| 17:32.56 | Qwell | but why would it look like 2 separate phones? that's just silly |
| 17:34.03 | SpeedEvil | cheapest design effort. |
| 17:34.13 | Qwell | so it actually has 2 separate screens? |
| 17:34.17 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise you'd need to write software. |
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| 17:34.29 | Qwell | yeah...a dropdown box in a dialer would be so difficult :) |
| 17:34.31 | SpeedEvil | I dunno - I've not seen it - I'm assuming the initial comment was tight. |
| 17:34.53 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, i think you are wrong about the design. |
| 17:35.15 | ScaredyCat | yes, Qwell silver on one side, black on the other, 2 separate screens. |
| 17:35.21 | ScaredyCat | you can even call one from the other |
| 17:35.35 | TAsn | ScaredyCat, :) |
| 17:35.50 | Qwell | that just seems really silly to me. must've been a marketing thing.. |
| 17:35.53 | ScaredyCat | I'm still looking for hte link... |
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| 17:37.25 | Dialog | some give psybnc or freeshell to me? please :S |
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| 17:40.01 | ccfly | howdy :) |
| 17:42.45 | ScaredyCat | I'm pretty sure it was on engadget... can't seem to find it though |
| 17:43.31 | Lintus | That sounds silly :D |
| 17:48.09 | ScaredyCat | http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/8182/9206/Dual-screen-mobile-phone-coming.phtml |
| 17:48.29 | ScaredyCat | gadgetdiscovery link seems to have died though |
| 17:49.14 | ScaredyCat | http://www.wndtelecom.com/en/mobile/2000-Duo/ |
| 17:49.21 | Qwell | yeah, that's kinda dumb |
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| 17:50.08 | Qwell | maybe if it was slick and the silver/black was able to "flip" |
| 17:50.14 | Qwell | and just have 1 screen/keypad |
| 17:50.19 | ScaredyCat | I'm so glad it wasn't a dream... |
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| 17:52.57 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/11/split-personalities-the-wnd-wind-duo-2000/ |
| 17:53.04 | ScaredyCat | lots of people seem to want it |
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| 20:53.13 | Qwell | in response to my earlier question about multiple SIMs on the same number.. T-Mobile US does not allow it. |
| 20:53.20 | Qwell | "security precaution" |
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| 21:00.01 | juri_ | ok, where do i find the default ringtone on the FS so i can replace it? its not in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds... |
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| 21:11.45 | kdean06 | juri_, On my images it's /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav |
| 21:13.08 | juri_ | aha. thanks. |
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| 21:34.16 | exco | if I have an OpenMoko image, what are the restrictions regarding which kernel version I can use with it? |
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| 21:41.14 | mwester | exco: the modules in /lib/modules need to match the kernel. Other than that, the restrictions only involve bug fix types of changes. |
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| 21:59.34 | exco | thanks, mwester |
| 21:59.43 | exco | that's what I wanted to hear |
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| 22:22.52 | jorgenpt | There's nothing more on the power management of the neo1973 than http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates#Power_Management_on_the_Neo1973 ? |
| 22:23.42 | balrog-kun | most of the power management design follows linux standards, so there isn't much to say about it |
| 22:24.26 | jorgenpt | I mean about if the phone is in any way usable :-) |
| 22:24.30 | jorgenpt | (like suspend?) |
| 22:25.18 | mjr | apparently suspend is still not quite reliable, but has come a long way |
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| 22:30.06 | balrog-kun | well, if something isn't usable it's usually worked on instead of the documentation :) |
| 22:30.12 | balrog-kun | the docs come at the end when stuff works |
| 22:33.50 | jorgenpt | Yeah |
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| 22:34.10 | jorgenpt | I tried keeping up with what happened on the pm front, but it was quiet for a long time :-) |
| 22:34.30 | jorgenpt | I won't dev anything for a phone I can't use day-to-day, (-; |
| 22:35.07 | balrog-kun | it's discutible whether it's day-to-day usable now |
| 22:35.21 | balrog-kun | afaik suspend/resume is not working for that, at this moment |
| 22:35.35 | balrog-kun | but it might be usable being powerea ll the time if you charge every day |
| 22:35.47 | balrog-kun | *powered |
| 22:35.57 | mjr | It somewhat is, but I often run out of batteries ;) |
| 22:36.56 | jorgenpt | Plural? |
| 22:37.36 | juri_ | Grrr. having real fun creating a ringtone for my OM. |
| 22:37.42 | mjr | singular actually. I have a spare but I don't drag it with me. |
| 22:38.41 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03andy * rc9a31f54f774 10/gta02-dm2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): improve-wifi-test.patch |
| 22:40.23 | juri_ | i just wrote a ringtone at 1.4 Mb, 16_le, single channel, 44,100hz... and now my openmoko won't ring. |
| 22:40.40 | juri_ | is there some limit on ringtone length or something? |
| 22:43.12 | juri_ | hmm. |
| 22:43.15 | juri_ | ok, its nuts. |
| 22:43.29 | juri_ | now, its playing my ringtone.. over and over again every few seconds, overlapping itsself. |
| 22:43.40 | CVirus | lol |
| 22:44.32 | juri_ | is there some setting in some text file i need to edit? |
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| 22:54.25 | juri_ | Grr. |
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| 23:22.47 | idarwin | hey, just upgraded after slacking for a while, and hope there is a way to get the qwerty keyboard instead of this telephone-pad-like thing, I do not like it this way... |
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| 23:57.43 | RyanPrior | I'm trying to get OpenMoko running in VirtualBox or QEMU - I'm reading the wiki page about it, but it seems like I have to compile a special openmoko-qemu version, which I would think wouldn't be necessary. Am I missing something? |
| 23:57.57 | RyanPrior | I'd ideally like to just download the latest root filesystem and be able to boot that up. |