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| 02:11.44 | netsurf3 | i cant find a specfic yes or no |
| 02:11.51 | netsurf3 | does freerunner have 3g? |
| 02:11.58 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 02:12.14 | SpeedEvil | Unless you connect an external 3D modem. |
| 02:12.16 | netsurf3 | does it have any data connectivity over mobile networks? |
| 02:12.22 | SpeedEvil | GPRs |
| 02:12.53 | netsurf3 | for what reason was it not implimented? |
| 02:12.59 | SpeedEvil | expense |
| 02:13.05 | SpeedEvil | And difficulty |
| 02:13.20 | SpeedEvil | you need maybe 3-5 models to cover the globe. |
| 02:13.40 | netsurf3 | with or without 3g? |
| 02:13.40 | SpeedEvil | versus 1 for GPRS |
| 02:13.45 | netsurf3 | ah |
| 02:14.12 | netsurf3 | pesky :( |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | And that means developing those models, versus developing only one, and adds problems with locating chipsets that are open enough. |
| 02:15.07 | netsurf3 | yes i can understand |
| 02:15.57 | netsurf3 | is there a "ballpark" for the freerunners release? |
| 02:16.03 | netsurf3 | date |
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| 02:40.52 | SpeedEvil | Hopes of within the month. |
| 02:41.09 | ewon | thats what we said in October :) |
| 02:41.19 | ewon | *rimshot* |
| 02:43.43 | sagacis | At the risk of asking a common question, is the wiki down today? |
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| 02:44.59 | willie_chen | I can't connect wiki page. |
| 02:45.48 | sagacis | At least it's not just me. |
| 02:47.03 | linuxxr | damn those red hat hackers |
| 02:47.36 | *** topic/#openmoko by doc|home -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Wiki down |
| 02:47.43 | sagacis | heh |
| 02:47.51 | doc|home | :) |
| 02:48.03 | linuxxr | site working |
| 02:48.14 | doc|home | er, it was down, working for me now |
| 02:48.21 | doc|home | might be a dns thing |
| 02:48.26 | sagacis | Hmm... OpenDNS |
| 02:48.28 | *** topic/#openmoko by doc|home -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Wiki down - looks like dns, give it time |
| 02:48.43 | sagacis | That's an up-to-date topic! |
| 02:48.48 | doc|home | hehe |
| 02:50.30 | mmontour | wiki's up for me, and its DNS resolves to 88.198.93.221 |
| 02:51.40 | sagacis | Yup. DNS problem. |
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| 03:48.46 | roh | hm.. the dns hassle should be over. all dns i can see are in sync |
| 03:49.18 | raster | bing |
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| 03:52.56 | sagacis | Looks good from here |
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| 04:00.03 | sagacis | Hey, we missed it: The Linux Foundation Spring 2008 Collaboration Summit April 8-10, 2008 | University of Texas Commons Center, Austin, TX | Sean is invited as one of the speakers |
| 04:00.39 | sagacis | oops, wrong window... |
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| 04:59.22 | trod__ | where can I get archives for this channel? |
| 05:00.17 | summatusmentis | !logs |
| 05:00.18 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 05:00.19 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 05:00.20 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 05:00.21 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 05:00.23 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 05:00.35 | trod__ | summatusmentis: thanks |
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| 05:02.31 | summatusmentis | sure thing trod__ |
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| 05:48.54 | Outlander | hi, the new netrunner will be GSM only from what I can see |
| 05:49.09 | Outlander | so that means GPRS data access to the internet when wifi isn't available... |
| 05:49.42 | Outlander | any plans for a 3G capable component or 3G version of the netrunner? I'm not sure what's involved with providing 3G capability |
| 05:53.54 | doc|home | Outlander: freerunner, and not that we know of |
| 05:54.17 | doc|home | although openmoko themselves would know of course,but they're not likely to say anything just yet, which makes sense |
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| 05:58.07 | Outlander | ok cool |
| 05:58.29 | Outlander | i really like what the phone has and am planning to get one but GPRS in australia is really slow and unreliable |
| 05:58.46 | Outlander | we're using 3g for data now which is fast,etc |
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| 07:07.12 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:13.42 | Outlander | hi |
| 07:13.49 | Outlander | so freerunner will have usb1.1 only? not usb2? |
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| 07:18.35 | rtm | Outlander: Yes. USB 1.1 |
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| 07:44.55 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r296 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/vendor/ (7 files): Added TI calypso Neo1973 vendor |
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| 08:30.13 | woglinde | have anyone seen this rightnow? -> http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html |
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| 08:34.38 | raster | woglinde: yes. |
| 08:34.48 | raster | video is a bit of a hack |
| 08:34.58 | raster | it bypasses the rendering pipeline and writes direct to the frameubffer |
| 08:35.17 | woglinde | raster ah hm the microkernel is intressting |
| 08:35.26 | raster | but it is cool |
| 08:35.30 | raster | yes |
| 08:35.32 | raster | its l4 |
| 08:36.05 | woglinde | yes |
| 08:36.35 | raster | l4 or not doesnt make a difference there |
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| 08:49.08 | cyrilRomain | nice video ! |
| 08:49.19 | cyrilRomain | BTW, do you know where can I find the bitbake files to build OKL4 microkernel ? |
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| 09:01.13 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.28 | woglinde | I talked in the wrong channel |
| 09:01.33 | woglinde | source code is included |
| 09:01.40 | woglinde | supports moko and gumstix |
| 09:01.47 | woglinde | err neo |
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| 09:02.25 | cyrilRomain | great ! |
| 09:02.37 | woglinde | hm and KZM - a i.MX31 SoC with an ARMv6 based ARM1136 CPU core |
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| 09:04.20 | woglinde | seems not all is bad which cames from downunder |
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| 09:05.15 | woglinde | hm maybee I will put in oe |
| 09:05.32 | woglinde | but later have other projects for next time |
| 09:06.00 | cyrilRomain | woglinde: excellent! |
| 09:07.10 | woglinde | first disko and morphinetv |
| 09:07.31 | cyrilRomain | woglinde: maybe can you be helped by gumstix people to include it |
| 09:08.41 | woglinde | hm? |
| 09:08.47 | woglinde | its a time problem |
| 09:10.48 | cyrilRomain | woglinde: indeed :-/ |
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| 09:43.29 | SpeedEvil | #edev too woglinde |
| 09:46.21 | emdete | raster: we talked about textblock scrolling several days ago. i didn't find out how. can you name same c functions where i can start to reserch? remember: i have a edje part type TEXTBLOCK with text longer than the screen and just want to know the height an set the offset |
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| 10:03.20 | Daedeloth2 | ooh, there is a channel... |
| 10:03.41 | Daedeloth2 | so, openmoko version 2... when can I buy one? ;-) |
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| 10:07.33 | abraxa__ | Daedeloth2: Mass production is said to begin in one week |
| 10:07.48 | XorA | presses the Make it So button |
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| 10:08.07 | SpeedEvil | Mass production is said to begin in one week - if production test works out. |
| 10:08.11 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
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| 10:09.00 | Daedeloth2 | *hooray* |
| 10:09.37 | Daedeloth2 | Any idea about the european price? Or do we just pay the USA price? |
| 10:10.35 | emdete | Daedeloth2: about 350EUR (incl vat in germany) |
| 10:10.48 | Daedeloth2 | ... why do we have to pay 100 euro more?! |
| 10:11.12 | woglinde | ask the market law |
| 10:11.22 | emdete | tax, transport, warrenty |
| 10:11.48 | Daedeloth2 | ... okay |
| 10:12.07 | Daedeloth2 | I'll just use an american friend then... damnit |
| 10:12.27 | emdete | Daedeloth2: see http://www.trisoft.de/openmoko.htm - you have 2 years warenty |
| 10:12.55 | emdete | Daedeloth2: depends on how to calc using that way me be more expensive... |
| 10:13.52 | SpeedEvil | emdete: in addition to your normal distance selling regulations rights. |
| 10:13.55 | woglinde | Daedeloth2 but you have to sneak trough the federal toll |
| 10:14.13 | woglinde | for importing from us you have to pay taxes too |
| 10:14.17 | Daedeloth2 | the toll is about 20 euro's |
| 10:14.24 | woglinde | nope |
| 10:14.32 | woglinde | its fairly more |
| 10:14.41 | SpeedEvil | It's VAT and import duty |
| 10:14.56 | Daedeloth2 | no, really, it was 10 euro's for a 100 euro order |
| 10:15.02 | Daedeloth2 | so that would make it 20 for 200 euro |
| 10:15.58 | Daedeloth2 | so that would make it 270 euro instead of 350 |
| 10:15.58 | emdete | raster: awake? |
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| 10:35.57 | SpeedEvil | Daedeloth2: where are you? |
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| 10:44.06 | Daedeloth2 | SpeedEvil: Belgium |
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| 12:01.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r297 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (32 files in 5 dirs): |
| 12:01.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Began implementing changed fso api in tests,gsmd2 and libfreesmartphone. |
| 12:01.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Changed that timeouts are initiated after command is sent. |
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| 12:59.13 | spyre | mickeyl: I've got a question relating to Call.Hold |
| 12:59.20 | emdete | ras |
| 12:59.25 | mickeyl | spyre: ok |
| 12:59.35 | emdete | oups... sry |
| 13:00.11 | spyre | mickeyl: telit's manual is a bit more informative than 0707..says that +chld can only put all calls on hold or all calls except one on hold |
| 13:01.11 | spyre | mickeyl: so I just can't (afaik) put a call on hold, I'll have to activate one aswell |
| 13:04.48 | spyre | mickeyl: or is there some other command to just put one call on hold? |
| 13:05.17 | mickeyl | no, i guess that's bogus then |
| 13:05.21 | mickeyl | ok, proposal: |
| 13:05.26 | mickeyl | we rename Hold to HoldAll() |
| 13:05.40 | mickeyl | and just do the necessary things internal, when the user calls Activate() |
| 13:05.42 | mickeyl | ok? |
| 13:06.28 | XorA | wonders where all his DNS servers have gone to |
| 13:06.35 | mickeyl | where have all the dns servers gone |
| 13:06.38 | mickeyl | long time paaaaasing |
| 13:06.43 | mickeyl | sorry |
| 13:07.11 | XorA | its all fine except I cant make new internet connections |
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| 13:07.33 | spyre | mickeyl: agreed :) |
| 13:07.50 | mickeyl | spyre: excellent. I'll do the changes now and commit |
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| 13:08.24 | spyre | mickeyl: actually.. |
| 13:08.35 | spyre | mickeyl: I didn't think that one through |
| 13:08.56 | spyre | mickeyl: holdall still wouldn't be the right name since one call would always be activated |
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| 13:09.07 | mickeyl | why? |
| 13:09.15 | mickeyl | if you say +chld can put all calls on hold |
| 13:10.01 | spyre | 2 - places all active calls (if any exist) on hold and accepts the other (held or waiting) call. |
| 13:10.20 | spyre | 2X - places all active calls on hold except call X with which communication shall be supported (only from version D). |
| 13:10.42 | spyre | mickeyl: sorry I wasn't clear earlier on this |
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| 13:11.26 | spyre | mickeyl: it basically switches one or many calls from held to active and vice versa. |
| 13:11.44 | mickeyl | aah |
| 13:11.53 | mickeyl | ok, i see |
| 13:12.01 | mickeyl | ok, then we actually remove Hold completely |
| 13:12.20 | mickeyl | and just use this command internally depending on the actual state when someone calls Activate() |
| 13:12.27 | mickeyl | right? |
| 13:12.50 | spyre | mickeyl: It should have a parameter to indicate weither current call should be put on hold or added to conversation |
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| 13:13.05 | mickeyl | ah, that would be slick |
| 13:13.12 | spyre | mickeyl: +chld imho is messed up :) |
| 13:13.15 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 13:13.17 | mickeyl | it is for sure |
| 13:13.36 | mickeyl | you're right. Let's add a boolean parameter to Activate() |
| 13:14.58 | spyre | I've got a feeling I've forgotten something, but I'll let you know once I'll figure out what it is :) |
| 13:15.05 | mickeyl | hehe, ok, good |
| 13:15.08 | mickeyl | thanks, btw. |
| 13:15.15 | mickeyl | it's really good we have multiple API consumers |
| 13:17.23 | spyre | or any for that matter ;) |
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| 13:19.51 | Tigakatze | hallo |
| 13:19.55 | spyre | mickeyl: on and should call status signal's status parameter also have "unknown" value? |
| 13:21.20 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:21.23 | mickeyl | i don't think so |
| 13:21.41 | mickeyl | unknown really does not bring the client forward |
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| 13:21.55 | mickeyl | if it's unknown, we better don't send the signal in the first place :) |
| 13:23.53 | mickeyl | ok, style question |
| 13:24.04 | mickeyl | option 1: |
| 13:24.33 | mickeyl | Activate( int, bool ), bool param specifies whether call will be added to conference or other calls will be put on hold |
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| 13:24.35 | mickeyl | option 2: |
| 13:24.47 | mickeyl | Activate( int ), activates call, all other put on hold |
| 13:24.57 | mickeyl | ActivateConference( int ), activates call to conference |
| 13:25.07 | mickeyl | please vote now :) |
| 13:25.20 | mickeyl | i think option 2 is easier to remember when using the API |
| 13:25.27 | mickeyl | but adds another method |
| 13:26.35 | spyre | mickeyl: how about when I send at+chup to gsm modem and gsm modem says "ERROR", what should be sent to dbus? :) |
| 13:26.53 | spyre | mickeyl: I think they're both fine |
| 13:26.56 | mickeyl | ok |
| 13:27.01 | mickeyl | then i chose option 2 |
| 13:27.16 | mickeyl | (at+chup) if the modem says error, first try "H" |
| 13:27.23 | mickeyl | if it stil errors, send a dbus error back |
| 13:27.39 | mickeyl | still working on the error specs... sorry :) |
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| 13:29.12 | emdete | at+chup seems not supported by ti calypso... |
| 13:31.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * re23876f54373 10/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: |
| 13:31.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: improve call API |
| 13:31.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: * remove Hold call, 07.07 can't explicitly hold one call |
| 13:31.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: * add ReleaseHeld to release all held calls |
| 13:31.44 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: * add ActivateConference to activate a call in addition to other previously active calls |
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| 13:33.48 | spyre | mickeyl: try "H"? |
| 13:34.10 | mickeyl | ATH |
| 13:35.10 | spyre | mickeyl: ah yeah, but basically I meant that what should be returned on error cases (so when ATH would also return ERROR) |
| 13:35.52 | mickeyl | spyre: i think we will have a couple of different error specs |
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| 13:36.26 | mickeyl | we might want a generic ModemTimeout exception |
| 13:36.35 | mickeyl | generic CME and CMS exceptions |
| 13:37.26 | mickeyl | and high level exceptions depending on server state |
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| 13:37.45 | mickeyl | at least that would be my first idea. i don't know whether exporting CME and CMS over dbus is a good thing or not |
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| 13:39.27 | spyre | mickeyl: CME and CMS? |
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| 13:39.56 | mickeyl | yeah, the standard GSM CME and CMS errors |
| 13:40.21 | mickeyl | there's a couple of hundreds |
| 13:40.49 | spyre | mickeyl: wouldn't those be a bit overkill |
| 13:40.59 | mickeyl | that's what i'm wondering |
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| 13:41.22 | mickeyl | it's an easy thing to report |
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| 13:41.34 | spyre | mickeyl: maybe just have some generic errors timeout, general, authentication and some string to give more details? |
| 13:41.35 | mickeyl | but if we want to do higher level exceptions we need to take the server state into account |
| 13:41.49 | spyre | ..to the user |
| 13:42.33 | mickeyl | agreed. first we should try to identify classes |
| 13:43.01 | mickeyl | let's slow this down by using e-mail |
| 13:43.05 | mickeyl | i need to think about that. |
| 13:43.13 | mickeyl | if you have already ideas, could you come up with a proposal` |
| 13:43.14 | mickeyl | ? |
| 13:44.26 | spyre | mickeyl: I've got nothing concrete.. basically what was discussed in fso's email list is imho a good idea |
| 13:44.53 | spyre | mickeyl: btw can you add gsmd2 to fso's git and give us write access ;) |
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| 13:54.01 | nezza-_- | anything new about massproduction etc? |
| 13:54.15 | SpeedEvil | Starting in a few days, with luck. |
| 13:57.16 | SpeedEvil | 9th to 16th IIRC. |
| 13:57.18 | SpeedEvil | But who knows. |
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| 14:03.57 | mickeyl | spyre: repository added, see http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=gsmd2.git;a=summary |
| 14:04.02 | mickeyl | spyre: you should be able to commit now |
| 14:04.13 | XorA | mickeyl: is amethyst loaded to hell? |
| 14:04.33 | mickeyl | top - 16:04:52 up 68 days, 30 min, 1 user, load average: 0.50, 0.39, 0.41 |
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| 14:04.37 | mickeyl | not at all |
| 14:04.46 | XorA | hrmm, mtn doesnt seem to be talking |
| 14:04.47 | spyre | mickeyl: thanks |
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| 15:44.29 | emdete | raster: awake? i have still problems paging through text... |
| 15:44.35 | raster | hey |
| 15:44.40 | raster | hmmm |
| 15:44.47 | emdete | seems e can't pagedown? :D |
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| 15:45.51 | spydon | what... the wiki works for me... |
| 15:46.01 | emdete | setup right now is as follows: i use edje, python and have a part type textblock. i set text into it and just want two thinks: know the rendered heigth of teh text and set an offset to move around... |
| 15:46.18 | *** topic/#openmoko by spydon -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 15:46.58 | emdete | raster: i played around with edje_object_part_drag_... but with no success, don't know if its related |
| 15:47.15 | SpeedEvil | spyre: it had DNS problems earlier for sone. |
| 15:47.28 | SpeedEvil | spy: |
| 15:47.51 | spydon | ah ok |
| 15:48.15 | raster | emdete: cant pagedown? |
| 15:48.32 | emdete | raster: it's for shure my fault. i just don't know how |
| 15:48.33 | raster | hmm |
| 15:48.39 | raster | no dragables are not what u want |
| 15:49.22 | raster | well they can be used |
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| 15:49.30 | raster | but the problem here is the textblock size |
| 15:49.35 | emdete | give me a sample - what are tyhey for? |
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| 15:49.42 | raster | and its inan edje |
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| 15:49.47 | raster | whihc needs to calculate min size |
| 15:49.57 | raster | here is what u do |
| 15:50.08 | raster | in the edj with the textblock add a swallow |
| 15:50.17 | raster | make that just hesize of the obj |
| 15:50.18 | raster | like th etext |
| 15:50.31 | raster | now create an invisible rect |
| 15:50.34 | raster | or anything really |
| 15:50.45 | raster | set extern min size WIDTH to whatever widht u wqant |
| 15:50.48 | raster | set height to 0 |
| 15:50.50 | raster | now swlalow |
| 15:50.55 | raster | now calc min size of edje |
| 15:51.10 | raster | this will constrain the edje and thus text to be a minimum size of the width of this obj |
| 15:51.18 | raster | and thus height will expand based on line wrapping etc. |
| 15:51.25 | raster | u can destroy this objectnow |
| 15:51.27 | raster | dont need it |
| 15:51.32 | raster | (the swallowed rect) |
| 15:51.36 | raster | now i know the dimenstions |
| 15:51.41 | raster | dimensions |
| 15:51.48 | raster | i assume u set the text before this and loaded the edje etc. |
| 15:51.49 | raster | :) |
| 15:52.01 | raster | resize the edje object to this min size |
| 15:52.09 | raster | u can now move this eobject up and down to scroll |
| 15:52.13 | raster | simple |
| 15:52.19 | emdete | pfew, will try that :D |
| 15:52.49 | raster | hehehe |
| 15:52.59 | raster | the trick is in condstrainign the edje in only 1 dimension for its min size calc |
| 15:53.02 | raster | thats the swallow trick |
| 15:55.32 | emdete | so in the edje i need 3 instead of the one (TEXTBLOCK-) part? |
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| 15:57.56 | raster | nah |
| 15:57.57 | raster | 2 parts |
| 15:57.59 | raster | 1 texblock |
| 15:58.01 | raster | andaswallow |
| 15:58.05 | emdete | ? |
| 15:58.08 | emdete | so 4? |
| 15:58.08 | raster | and a swallow |
| 15:58.11 | raster | no |
| 15:58.14 | raster | 2 parts: |
| 15:58.18 | raster | 1 of type texblock |
| 15:58.18 | emdete | 2 + 1 + 1 is 4... |
| 15:58.24 | raster | 1 of type swallow |
| 15:58.37 | emdete | you talked about an invisible rect |
| 15:58.41 | raster | ys |
| 15:58.44 | emdete | so 3 |
| 15:58.45 | raster | thats outside the edje |
| 15:58.48 | raster | an evas object |
| 15:58.51 | raster | u recte that in code |
| 15:58.54 | emdete | ah... okay. |
| 15:58.54 | raster | err |
| 15:58.57 | raster | u create that in code |
| 15:59.03 | raster | swallow it into the swallow part |
| 15:59.09 | raster | before that set extern min sizae on it |
| 15:59.10 | raster | ... |
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| 16:01.19 | SpeedEvil | Are there USB satellite modems? |
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| 16:18.04 | emdete | raster: you say: "make that just the size of the obj like the text" how do i do that? just the same attributes in the edje file? |
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| 16:32.35 | josch_ | cb22, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/mokoelsa.png |
| 16:32.38 | josch_ | cb22, \o/ |
| 16:36.18 | Outlander | lol cb22, she's hot, who is she? |
| 16:36.40 | CVirus | I want a shirt too |
| 16:36.42 | josch | hehe |
| 16:36.43 | Outlander | maybe that should be the front page image when the freerunner is made available...sell out in an hour ;) |
| 16:37.35 | josch | Outlander, she's my girlfriend and i gave my community member of the week price to her |
| 16:37.43 | Outlander | hehe awesome |
| 16:39.08 | CVirus | how do you guys get to know sexy girls ! |
| 16:39.44 | XorA | chick alert :-) |
| 16:39.52 | CVirus | hehe |
| 16:40.00 | Outlander | that can be the openmoko advertisement! "how'd you meet her" "well i have one of this hip opensource phones. freedom is sooo IN right now" |
| 16:40.07 | CVirus | if I'll ever have a gf ... I'll buy her an OM shirt too |
| 16:40.21 | josch | well - i met here by installing ubuntu on her laptop :P |
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| 16:53.41 | cb22 | josch: haha, but i thought the deal was _you_had to wear the camisole. and then post pic on 4chan :p |
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| 16:55.20 | josch | cb22, not even the guys on 4chan would like that :P |
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| 18:26.12 | cl0s | hey if anybody in here works on the case for openmoko i got a good idea for one |
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| 18:26.32 | cl0s | where would we submit ideas for that? it could be something a 3rd party could do, since they put out the cad files and all that |
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| 18:26.46 | SpeedEvil | 'something a third party could do' - sure. |
| 18:27.02 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that to get a decent case mould is somewhere in the $10-30K range. |
| 18:27.10 | cl0s | sheeshh |
| 18:27.11 | cl0s | lol |
| 18:27.37 | SpeedEvil | You can make it out of rapid prototype materials, or metals, but that then ends up either thicker, or heavier, or much more expensive per case. |
| 18:27.41 | cl0s | if i knew anything about the hardware part id try to do it.. but pretty much i just would like to see one with a keyboard on it |
| 18:27.57 | cl0s | that automatically connects into the usb, then i guess has a usb hub for extention.. |
| 18:28.02 | cl0s | extension* |
| 18:28.02 | SpeedEvil | That's mechancally really, really hard unfortunately. |
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| 18:28.15 | SpeedEvil | The USB isn't designed for external use. |
| 18:28.37 | SpeedEvil | Bluetooth credit card keyboard works. |
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| 18:29.24 | cl0s | thats the only 1 thing i would really like to see on GTA02, im used to my full querty keyboard :( |
| 18:29.45 | cl0s | like on the device would be nice, but its def not a big enough problem to stop me from getting it when it comes out.. hah |
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| 18:31.54 | SpeedEvil | The cheap rapid prototype stuff - as I understand it - can be used - but will lead to a case of perhaps double the thickness. |
| 18:32.05 | SpeedEvil | 5mm vs 2mm |
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| 18:32.38 | cl0s | yea the thickness would def be a problem, it would def add 2 or 3mm |
| 18:33.00 | SpeedEvil | To get an equivalent stiffness that is. |
| 18:33.25 | cl0s | yea cus these del keyboards are paper thin |
| 18:33.30 | cl0s | *the film inside |
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| 18:34.26 | cl0s | going to play around with the cad files, i never messed with it before |
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| 19:01.47 | doc|work | ok, if anyone says the freerunner is ugly I'm going to show them the newest crackberry |
| 19:01.52 | doc|work | http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/blackberry-9000-gets-a-very-early-review/ |
| 19:02.02 | doc|work | that thing is *massive* |
| 19:02.13 | Qwell | 400x120 res? heh |
| 19:02.50 | summatusmentis | oh wow, it really is |
| 19:03.19 | summatusmentis | have you seen the HTC touch diamond though? that looks sexy(outside of WMobile) |
| 19:04.38 | doc|work | quiet damn it, blackberry = ugly, that's what we're to take from this conversation! |
| 19:04.57 | doc|work | googles "htc touch diamond" :o |
| 19:04.59 | summatusmentis | lol, ok, sorry :) |
| 19:05.01 | SuN | How large is that? |
| 19:05.08 | SuN | Doesn't seem _too_ large. |
| 19:05.16 | doc|work | SuN: compare it to his hand |
| 19:05.43 | SuN | For all I know it's a leprechaun! |
| 19:05.44 | doc|work | it's not too large but looks wider than the freerunner |
| 19:06.49 | doc|work | meh, not to pushed about the diamond touch, looks like a zune |
| 19:07.48 | summatusmentis | kinda does, but it's sexy |
| 19:08.31 | summatusmentis | :-/ I don't think gsm works very well in either of the two places I live... |
| 19:08.33 | summatusmentis | bum deal |
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| 19:22.42 | ScaredyCat | dances |
| 19:23.12 | summatusmentis | why? |
| 19:23.26 | ScaredyCat | just because |
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| 19:23.46 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 19:24.02 | summatusmentis | someone should just fix GSM converage in the US |
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| 19:31.36 | CMatters | it's broken? |
| 19:32.05 | mwester | It's not too complete. |
| 19:32.34 | CMatters | if you step outside of cities, yeah |
| 19:32.52 | CMatters | never had a problem in any US city I've been in |
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| 19:33.38 | mwester | If you look at a map, the coverage marks the urban centers, and the transportation corridors between them. Not so good if you need to step outside those areas; makes your cell phone just extra weight. |
| 19:34.47 | CMatters | true. I would say T-Mobile and AT&T have been playing the cost/benefit game |
| 19:35.22 | CMatters | part of business. I have the same issue when I am in Eastern Europe. |
| 19:36.11 | mwester | The biggest problem, really, is that GSM as it stands today is designed for a certain minimum density, and that matches Western Europe better than many other places. For example, even at 850 MHz, the typical density of cellphones to towers in Montana may well be less than one!! |
| 19:37.26 | CMatters | well, perhaps if T-Mobile completes its acquisition on Sprint, that will change in a few years. They would likely convert the Sprint/Nextel network from CDMA to GSM |
| 19:37.33 | CMatters | *of |
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| 19:38.39 | mwester | I still think we'll have huge chunks of emptiness in North America, where GSM just doesn't make sense. But that'll still be a vast improvement over the near-monopoly that AT&T now has on GSM. |
| 19:39.01 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what the price of a tower is. |
| 19:39.31 | SpeedEvil | A minimal capacity one, with a lowest cost (microwave point-point) ? |
| 19:39.38 | CMatters | I assume it varies greatly by tower simply because of real estate rental |
| 19:39.44 | mmontour | You can always buy/rent a satellite phone if you _need_ coverage in remote areas. |
| 19:39.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:40.02 | mwester | :) I suspect the tower is cheap in Montana, and the land could be bought for a song. But installing same, and running power lines to it, and maintaining it when the nearest maintenance staff is 250km away... that's the cost. |
| 19:40.42 | CMatters | I take it you live in Montana? |
| 19:41.57 | mwester | Nope. Chicago suburbs. So I have GSM coverage from AT&T. But I'm too far from Chicago to have reliable coverage with T-Mobile. And travelling to my customers (MN, KS, etc) I try not to rely on cell phones... |
| 19:42.28 | CMatters | Isn't broadband availability a big issue in rural America, as well? I would think the adoption of both in rural areas have similar issues |
| 19:43.18 | CMatters | My T-Mobile phone jumps over to AT&T towers whenever a T-Mobile one isn't available |
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| 19:43.35 | mwester | All forms of service had been issues; the government has legislated things to ensure that infrastructure is made available in those places where it isn't usually cost-effective to build it. |
| 19:43.58 | mwester | Yeah, but that doesn't work with the GTA01 'cause it's 900MHz only - euro triband. |
| 19:44.05 | CMatters | ah |
| 19:44.25 | CMatters | well.. both of my phones are from Europe and it works for me |
| 19:44.39 | mwester | Are they quad-band, or triband? |
| 19:44.52 | CMatters | I take that back, I picked up the motorola in Taiwan |
| 19:45.00 | CMatters | Tri |
| 19:45.06 | mwester | most are quad anymore, and they hop from AT&T to T-Mobile without any trouble. |
| 19:45.25 | CMatters | The Motorola is about 4 years old |
| 19:45.26 | doc|work | yeahm, did anyone get smacked for that oversight at openmoko? |
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| 19:46.34 | doc|work | by the way, is there a freq coverage map for canada? |
| 19:46.57 | mwester | doc|work: isn't that a total monopoly run by rogers? |
| 19:47.43 | doc|work | pretty much, yes |
| 19:47.51 | doc|work | rogers on gsm, others on cdma |
| 19:48.02 | doc|work | but varying frequencies I think |
| 19:49.18 | mwester | I played with the GTA01s in Ottawa, the standard one wouldn't register; apparently they require a response on 850MHz during registration even if the device ends up operating on the higher (supported) bands. :( |
| 19:49.45 | doc|work | ugh |
| 19:50.17 | doc|work | I'm from Ireland but living in Vancouver, don't want to have a phone I can't use when I go home |
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| 19:51.34 | mwester | Perhaps it's regional -- I wonder if anyone has a GTA01 in B.C.? |
| 19:52.06 | mmontour | mwester: I do, and it works in Vancouver. |
| 19:52.39 | mmontour | I'm on Fido - owned by Rogers, but still operated as a somewhat-independent company. |
| 19:52.52 | doc|work | qually lame data plans unfortunately :/ |
| 19:53.27 | MrKeuner | hi, can i consider getting openmoko instead of an iphone for my wife who is no technical person at all? |
| 19:53.47 | t_s_o | only if your looking for a divorce ;) |
| 19:53.54 | doc|work | hah |
| 19:53.56 | MrKeuner | hehe not yet |
| 19:53.58 | ectomorph | anyone know if the freerunner will work good on the 900mhz and 1800mhz bands ? |
| 19:54.38 | mmontour | ectomorph: The 'Euro' model of the Freerunner will. There will also be a North American model that does 850/1800/1900. |
| 19:54.41 | SuN | Well, it's sort of designed for those, isn't it? :) |
| 19:54.50 | ectomorph | i hope so :) |
| 19:54.51 | MrKeuner | t_s_o: should I still consider it on alpha stage? |
| 19:56.09 | kdean06 | That distinction confuses me. The GTA01 is a "Euro model" right? I don't hear many American buyers complain about useless phones so I'd assume that the 1800/1900 offers sufficient coverage. |
| 19:56.09 | t_s_o | MrKeuner: to tell the truth, i dont know. but my guess is that the iphone is a safer bet from a "style" standpoint... |
| 19:56.49 | MrKeuner | she won't care for style as long as neo does the job of receiving calls without _any_ problems |
| 19:57.18 | mmontour | MrKeuner: see above, "only if your looking for a divorce ;)" |
| 19:57.25 | SpeedEvil | Get a neo - sure. |
| 19:57.29 | SpeedEvil | Also get a nokia 1100. |
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| 19:57.37 | kdean06 | How our wives affect us... |
| 19:57.40 | doc|work | MrKeuner: not wanting to do openmoko out of a phone but ... why a freerunner if it's just for calls? |
| 19:57.45 | SpeedEvil | Or similar low-end phone, to swap the SIM into, in case thigns go wrong. |
| 19:57.57 | SpeedEvil | GPS tracking doc|work. |
| 19:58.06 | kdean06 | My wife tipped me off to GSM instability. Apparently I've grown used to my calls not being 100% reliable, but it's pissing her off now. |
| 19:58.07 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: hahaha |
| 19:58.12 | doc|work | sparq: smrt! |
| 19:58.48 | doc|work | er, sorry sparq tab complete mis-hit |
| 19:59.01 | abraxa_ | kdean06: I'm surprised GSM is such a big deal in the States. I've never ever had reliability problems in Europe |
| 19:59.21 | MrKeuner | doc|work: no she will want to use other features too but they can wait as long as she won't have problems with the basic functions |
| 19:59.26 | kdean06 | abraxa_, GSM isn't unreliable here. My Neo is. :) |
| 19:59.38 | CMatters | the network in the US is at least a generation behind Europe |
| 19:59.41 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Oh, she's using your Neo? |
| 19:59.45 | t_s_o | i suspect most european nations have more stringent coverage demands... |
| 20:00.04 | MrKeuner | doc|work: she/we can wait for others to be developed, or we can handle others being at beta stage |
| 20:00.17 | kdean06 | abraxa_, No, I'm using my Neo as my primary phone and it seems I miss a LOT of calls, or that when it appears to me a call fails it's actually ringing her... |
| 20:00.22 | doc|work | MrKeuner: ah, ok |
| 20:00.55 | abraxa_ | MrKeuner: You can get her a Neo/Freerunner and use Qtopia. That runs pretty reliable except for some power management issues, I've heard. Maybe someone else here can comment - ScaredyCat, for example. |
| 20:01.34 | SuN | Europe skipped the analog system, mostly (at least, it was never popular, growth only initiated after the implementation of GSM), and I guess most European countries are much easier to cover. |
| 20:02.15 | doc|work | SuN: not entirely true, my father had an analog phone in Ireland in 1995 I think, wasn't even some high-flying businessman |
| 20:02.26 | SpeedEvil | Mine too. |
| 20:02.30 | SpeedEvil | Though in scotland. |
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| 20:03.01 | SuN | Yes, but this was before every 12-year old had a cellphone :D |
| 20:03.03 | mjr | 'course, we had analog NMT systems here in the Nordic countries way back when... |
| 20:03.35 | t_s_o | yep, i suspect NMT roaming laid the foundation for gsm roaming ;) |
| 20:04.43 | t_s_o | but i think the big thing about going from analog to digital was the number of subscribers pr cell |
| 20:05.09 | kdean06 | I'd like to play with some of the Qtopia/Enlightenment/GTK/X11 builds mickey_away might have. :) |
| 20:05.11 | t_s_o | this then allowed the operators to drop the prices thru the floor |
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| 20:06.56 | mwester | kdean06: I'm hoping to get a recent Qtopia build, and see what it would take to get it reasonably working with the latest suspend/resume changes for the GTA01. It might actually be a useable phone with that! |
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| 20:08.38 | kdean06 | mwester, I've been using the recent kernels from the buildhost so I'm not sure if your fixes are in that or not... But if they are there MIGHT be issues affecting GSM stability. It seems GSM tends to go to sleep on it's own in the most recent issues though I only know now that my wife's failures to call me have gotten her pissed off. |
| 20:09.11 | kdean06 | Every now and then the Neo fails to make a call, but I never considered that it might have been unresponsive hours before I tried making that call. :( |
| 20:09.21 | mwester | The recent kernels from buildhost still lack one of the key items required for reliable wakeup from GSM. |
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| 20:09.59 | mwester | And then there is still a random overrun problem when talking with the GSM. |
| 20:11.12 | mwester | There are some hacky patches to address some of this, but they have not been submitted yet, as they are nowhere near ready. I'll get another kernel put up on http://moko.mwester.net/ in the next day or so that should be lots better. |
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| 20:14.01 | mmontour | mwester: I'm also interested in trying out your new kernel. Do you happen to know whether suspend/resume will be compatible with root-on-SDcard? |
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| 20:20.40 | mwester | mmontour: If it doesn't work right, it's a bug. Nobody has tried it AFAIK, so it may not work. (One of the possible resume time optimizations mentioned was to defer the SD card drivers, so if that is done, it might break root-on-SD) |
| 20:20.54 | cl0s | what can I use on view and play with the freerunner cad files? |
| 20:21.15 | cl0s | note: never used any type of cad program before in my life* |
| 20:21.16 | XorA|gone | I think kernel 2.6.24 force unmounts all hotpluggable devices |
| 20:21.20 | XorA|gone | which buggers stuff up |
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| 20:22.36 | mwester | suspects that perhaps XorA|gone isn't really gone after all... :D |
| 20:22.37 | CMatters | they were designed in ProE |
| 20:22.54 | CMatters | but you can import them into AutoCAD if you have a newer version of AutoCAD |
| 20:23.24 | XorA|gone | mwester: gone in the head ;-) |
| 20:23.49 | cl0s | I'm on ubuntu.. i think autocad is spec for windows.. |
| 20:23.49 | mwester | Ah. Well, in that case, I'd have to change my nick too. |
| 20:24.23 | CMatters | I've run AutoCAD under WINE |
| 20:24.25 | cl0s | ill look around, just seeing if anybody had something of the top of their head that they've used on this before... |
| 20:24.26 | cl0s | thanks.. |
| 20:24.47 | cl0s | true, but then don't i have to "buy" it? |
| 20:25.01 | CMatters | if you figure out a Linux app, let me know |
| 20:25.23 | CMatters | only reason I haven't tried using the CAD files is because of the cost of buying the app to actually read them |
| 20:25.57 | cl0s | http://www.cycas.de/ -- looks like the most popular for linux.. |
| 20:26.16 | CMatters | cl0s: there was a thread a month or so ago about apps to open the ProE drawings but I don't remember seeing a Linux app in there |
| 20:26.55 | cl0s | lol @ the cad files being open source, but I can't get a app to view it in linux |
| 20:27.53 | CMatters | I here you, I found it a little odd myself |
| 20:28.04 | CMatters | I think ProE was a carry over from FIC |
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| 20:28.30 | cl0s | yea ah well.. i'm not really an engineer just wanted to play around with the files see if i could do something |
| 20:28.52 | CMatters | gotcha |
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| 21:48.19 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rbab4c891b65e 10/devices/ficgta01/configure: [neo1973] Do not build with bluetooth and voip anymore. |
| 21:48.20 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03zecke * rddc229d4e7b7 10/src/server/server.pro: [dbus] Add the dbus dependency to src/server |
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| 22:00.44 | poli | Hello all! I am trying to find this information on the web site, but it isn't clear yet. Is the hardware (I mean circuitry) project also open source or somehow freely distributed? |
| 22:03.42 | ewon | no, we all had to sign NDAs. |
| 22:04.06 | ewon | in fact, openmoko runs on top of a proprietary HAL |
| 22:04.22 | ewon | any attempt to document the HAL will result in the black helicopters coming for you |
| 22:04.31 | ewon | all of the above is lies. |
| 22:04.33 | doc|work | fines ewon one testicle |
| 22:05.02 | ewon | there are schematics on the wiki, if memory serves |
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| 22:05.31 | poli | ewon: lol thanks |
| 22:05.34 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * rcc15be838450 10/gta02-dm2/tslib-1.0/autom4te.cache/ (7 files): nuke generated files |
| 22:05.35 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r800a21cc3665 10/gta02-dm2/tslib-1.0/aclocal.m4: remove generated file |
| 22:05.36 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r6fabab537892 10/gta02-dm2/tslib-1.0/ (config.guess ltmain.sh): remove more generated files |
| 22:05.36 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * rdfba0f549082 10/gta02-dm2/tslib-1.0/config.sub: remove one more generated file |
| 22:05.38 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r464882c4bc1b 10/gta02-dm2/build: force-reconfig.patch |
| 22:05.40 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * red916d6608d5 10/gta02-dm2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fix-gps-buffering.patch |
| 22:05.42 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * r8bbb4a679d31 10/gta02-dm2/ (20 files in 3 dirs): increase-compiler-warnings-make-fatal.patch |
| 22:05.45 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * rb64f2eedf77a 10/gta02-dm2/src/ (gps.c nmea.c nmea.h tests-gps.c): add-gps-date.patch |
| 22:05.48 | CIA-43 | openmoko: 03agreen * re7a66b5a44cf 10/gta02-dm2/src/ (8 files): fix-gps-cn-and-rename-to-sn.patch |
| 22:05.53 | SpeedEvil | ewon: it does not. |
| 22:06.00 | SpeedEvil | ewon: no schematics |
| 22:06.25 | SpeedEvil | at all |
| 22:06.51 | poli | SpeedEvil: so they aren't provided at all? |
| 22:07.52 | ewon | I was sure there was |
| 22:07.59 | ewon | or am I thinking of the case files |
| 22:08.01 | ewon | *shrugs* |
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| 23:54.42 | zeno_ | hi, will the freerunner be "consumer ready"? |
| 23:54.59 | zeno_ | its for my wife, and shes not a linux guru (yet :) |
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| 23:59.45 | mmontour | zeno_: It may get there eventually, but it will not be consumer-ready when it is first released. |
