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| 00:10.02 | broedj1 | SpeedEvil: i dont see the grid config file , despite your nice command |
| 00:10.22 | broedj1 | seems i have only busybox grep |
| 00:11.26 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:11.27 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 00:11.33 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 00:11.41 | SpeedEvil | I've not got it installed anymore |
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| 00:12.10 | broedj1 | you saw something "2/3 down that page" hm? |
| 00:12.14 | SpeedEvil | googles. |
| 00:12.24 | SpeedEvil | I mean the list of strokes |
| 00:12.27 | broedj1 | ah the xstroke pahe |
| 00:12.37 | broedj1 | cworth... i look t up |
| 00:13.22 | broedj1 | but it seems so different, that pdf grid templates, and what it really does |
| 00:13.38 | broedj1 | page |
| 00:13.52 | cworth | broedj1: I documented the original configuration I wrote. |
| 00:13.53 | ewon | graphics demo with an atmega: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCqrylNY-0 |
| 00:14.14 | cworth | broedj1: I have no idea if what's installed on the neo beard any resemblance to it. |
| 00:15.19 | cworth | broedj1: It certainly didn't seem to in the little I played with the recognizer. The program on the neo was not full-screen, was not very responsive in rendering the stroke, and did not seem to have the same configured strokes for recognition. |
| 00:15.29 | broedj1 | well, i would like to teach it |
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| 00:17.03 | broedj1 | as it is VERY responsive on my device. please kick me, because it is late, i have an appointment tomorrow, and i'm talking about the angstrom x11 gpe on my A780 |
| 00:17.15 | cworth | broedj1: I never did write any sort of training interface back when I wrote xstroke. |
| 00:18.16 | broedj1 | nah. but Speed said that one could play around with this grid data coordinates? |
| 00:18.43 | broedj1 | i'm not talking about debian cellwriter or stuff |
| 00:19.03 | broedj1 | besides, cant that be ported? |
| 00:20.04 | cworth | broedj1: Like I said, I really have no idea if you're running the program I wrote or not. :-) |
| 00:20.15 | broedj1 | matchbox stroke |
| 00:20.25 | broedj1 | k |
| 00:20.52 | cworth | broedj1: But yeah, what I wrote was pretty easy to configure "manually" by coding up little grid-digit sequences. |
| 00:21.09 | broedj1 | which config file? |
| 00:21.24 | cworth | broedj1: Yes, that's what I mean. I wrote "xstroke" several years ago. I have no idea if "matchxbox-xstroke" bears any resemblance to it. |
| 00:21.49 | cworth | When I wrote xstroke, it used /etc/xstroke/alphabet for its configuration I think. |
| 00:22.20 | broedj1 | ah k |
| 00:22.41 | broedj1 | finally :) |
| 00:23.08 | broedj1 | n8 |
| 00:23.46 | SpeedEvil | has vague recollections of a |
| 00:23.53 | SpeedEvil | file called alphabet |
| 00:26.37 | SpeedEvil | cworth: still using it? |
| 00:26.55 | SpeedEvil | cworth: or have you got a vastly improved unreleased version? :) |
| 00:27.37 | broedj1 | HA |
| 00:27.49 | ewon | that atmega demo is pretty incredible |
| 00:28.17 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:28.21 | SpeedEvil | strokes.xml I think |
| 00:29.19 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.29 | broedj1 | i think I have a vastly improved, unreleased Version |
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| 00:42.19 | Cthobs | Anyone know how to stop the "cannot check for file existence when cross compiling" error on xserver-kdrive using the makefile? |
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| 01:09.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.handsolomobile.com/ |
| 01:11.21 | cworth | SpeedEvil: Sadly, I haven't been using it at all. |
| 01:11.52 | cworth | SpeedEvil: The original purpose I had for xstroke was for some Compaq iPaqs we were using at work, (running Linux and X). |
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| 01:12.49 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: is this a hoax ? |
| 01:13.04 | CVirus | ah it is |
| 01:13.08 | CVirus | just saw a middle finger |
| 01:13.08 | cworth | Very fun toys, (paricularly when we added wifi), but I quickly decided I needed a single device that was a phone as well. |
| 01:13.08 | CVirus | LOL |
| 01:13.34 | cworth | SpeedEvil: So that's why I've been looking forward to the openmoko stuff, (and again, particularly with wifi). |
| 01:13.47 | cworth | SpeedEvil: So I may have to brush off my xstroke code again before too long. |
| 01:13.50 | xkr47 | that hand-mobile thing is just ridiculous somehow |
| 01:14.00 | xkr47 | who would want to watch people with fingers in their ears all the time |
| 01:14.41 | xkr47 | next somebody discovers the nose can be used for input and people start shoving up their fingers in there too :P |
| 01:16.06 | cworth | SpeedEvil: That's really funny. |
| 01:23.15 | SpeedEvil | cworth: xstroke is so stupid - in concept, but works surprisingly well. |
| 01:23.38 | SpeedEvil | cworth: the only real problem for me with it was the somewhat insane grammar for making new strokes flexibly. |
| 01:24.17 | SpeedEvil | I mean - you'd think 'no - that can't work' - but it does. |
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| 02:04.03 | riot | hi. |
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| 02:22.18 | Psi | ya think there will be a massive rush to get gta02 with people who dont get in quick having to wait months? |
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| 02:42.57 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r288 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/gsm0710muxd.conf: gsm0710muxd: fix dbus busname in .conf |
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| 05:14.34 | erko | Hi all. I'm trying to play a video with sound on gta01. Sound seems to only work with mplayer when pulseaudio is stopped. This seems to prevent my phone from playing the ring sound (but I guess the vibrate mode still shows there's an incoming phone call). Does anyone have a solution to play a video with sound but still allow sounds like the phone call ring to work? |
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| 05:31.43 | H264 | when did they change the name and why? |
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| 05:32.18 | H264 | is the freerunner going to be the "offical" release? |
| 05:33.56 | raster | ? |
| 05:34.06 | H264 | ah, I see |
| 05:34.39 | H264 | I mean a name change from neo-1973 |
| 05:36.07 | raster | neo-1973 is a separate piece of hardware |
| 05:36.09 | raster | different |
| 05:36.11 | raster | different cpu |
| 05:37.00 | H264 | yeah... I'm reading that |
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| 05:44.55 | raster | different amount of flash |
| 05:44.59 | raster | a wifi chip added |
| 05:45.03 | raster | glamo fx chip added |
| 05:45.05 | SpeedEvil | A speaker removed |
| 05:45.11 | raster | yeah |
| 05:45.15 | raster | it happens to be in the same case |
| 05:45.16 | SpeedEvil | And it's got shiny LEDs! |
| 05:45.18 | raster | and same screen |
| 05:45.25 | SpeedEvil | For running-light effects. |
| 05:45.28 | raster | and same gsm chip |
| 05:45.31 | raster | same bluetooth |
| 05:45.39 | raster | it has a new gps module |
| 05:45.44 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 05:45.50 | SpeedEvil | It's black! |
| 05:46.47 | H264 | after I get one it will have apachy and gcc on it :) |
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| 05:51.44 | H264 | any good speculation estimate on when the new one will be sold? |
| 05:52.19 | H264 | (the freerunner) |
| 05:52.37 | ahven | this year |
| 05:52.42 | ahven | the best estimate so far :) |
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| 07:21.20 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:07.18 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4410 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libopkg/opkg.c libopkg/opkg.h tests/libopkg_test.c): opkg: implement opkg_list_upgradable_packages function |
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| 09:57.30 | tuukkah | can someone suggest me a fairly stable image. i would need to use my neo for a few days |
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| 10:25.00 | emdete | mwester: can you tell me more about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002596.html ? when does that happen? |
| 10:26.46 | SpeedEvil | mwester: and would any hardware tests be of use |
| 10:30.49 | emdete | i wrote the muxer and a pygsmd btw, and i would expect to see such a problem early. i encountered just one effect: the initial message of the modem ("AT-Commandinterpreter ready" or similar) is sometimes cut after some chars... |
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| 10:34.23 | emdete | is someone able to fix this: "run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1" when restarting system dbus? |
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| 10:43.06 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * r0b302f8479ac 10/drivers/video/s3c2410fb.c: gta01-fix-resume-redo-par.patch |
| 10:43.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03mwester 07andy * r308ad84b8eb3 10/arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c: gta01-fix-jbt-platform-missing-members.patch |
| 10:43.07 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03mwester 07andy * r76923000356b 10/arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.c: gta01-gps-power-state-resume-preserve.patch |
| 10:43.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * r1ac9f711e4be 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_wm8753.c: This-fixes-the-exit-function-so-that-the-module-can.patch |
| 10:43.11 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03reddog 07andy * r9123dfb5aab1 10/sound/soc/s3c24xx/ (Kconfig neo1973_wm8753.c s3c24xx-i2s.c s3c24xx-pcm.c): This-adds-some-debug-messages-to-the-Neo1937-sound-d.patch |
| 10:43.14 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03matt 07andy * rd3334b473345 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/ (s3c24xx_hcd.c s3c24xx_hcd.h): From 2d727270e57c25044d112c6ad9807ddc07d5199a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 |
| 10:51.44 | emdete | the PIDFILE is wrong, should be PIDFILE=$PIDDIR/pid - can someone change that? |
| 10:58.17 | raster | emdete: yo |
| 10:58.22 | raster | how goes your hacking? |
| 11:00.33 | emdete | raster: i'm stuck ;) just doing muxer&gsm stuff. and my gta02 freezes - not shure when. so i lost much time in nothing fancy new. |
| 11:01.00 | raster | aaah fun |
| 11:01.01 | raster | isn't it |
| 11:01.08 | emdete | raster: is there any fancy new stuff from your side? (not illume, more driver level)? |
| 11:01.36 | Stephmw | howdy guys |
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| 11:02.53 | emdete | raster: i am not shure why my gta02 freezes but it happens often using grafic&sd together. have you played around with sd when doing grafic? |
| 11:05.21 | emdete | raster: and i would like to do some stuff with scrolling text. i use edje's textblock (which formats the text fine) - how would be the simplies way to scroll in that text if it's higher than the area? how can i determine how high a block gets for a text in a given width? |
| 11:06.55 | raster | emdete: u mean like x? |
| 11:06.55 | raster | :) |
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| 11:07.24 | raster | (driver stuff) |
| 11:07.44 | raster | as for sd+ gfx - not a lot at all really, but i could believe it. sd and gfx share the same bus - hell, the same chip. |
| 11:08.08 | raster | and as for textblock |
| 11:08.19 | raster | u can get the formatted text sice from the textblock |
| 11:08.30 | raster | that gives u the text formatted given withe textblock width and height |
| 11:08.40 | raster | formatted size may be taller or shorter than the evas textblock object |
| 11:08.49 | raster | thus u know if the object should be made taller to fit the text |
| 11:09.02 | raster | and thus u can resize the textblock to be taller - and then juts move it up and down to scroll |
| 11:09.03 | raster | :) |
| 11:09.43 | emdete | raster: cool, have to check how to access it in py. sounds great. it's anoying to read the first lines of news only all the time ;) |
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| 11:12.22 | raster | aaah |
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| 11:12.30 | raster | rememebr i'm always thinking o the c interface |
| 11:12.38 | emdete | shure, i know. |
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| 11:12.44 | raster | as i wrote that and intended it to do pretty much everything u need.. somehow |
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| 11:12.46 | raster | :) |
| 11:13.34 | emdete | the only thing thats missing is word-break ... not full hyphenation but a hard cut as we discussed some weeks ago... |
| 11:14.32 | raster | word-break exists |
| 11:14.35 | emdete | whe i wrote a similar thing based on dfb i included picture support. you could put base64ed-pictures into the text, mark it and it rendered it at that place... |
| 11:14.40 | raster | u put it in the formatting |
| 11:15.09 | emdete | raster: break at word boundaries, shure, but it does not break words longer than a line |
| 11:15.32 | emdete | and: it puts a empty line after a line with a word that was too long |
| 11:15.36 | raster | oooh |
| 11:15.38 | raster | that |
| 11:15.40 | raster | hmm |
| 11:15.43 | raster | i think it just refuses |
| 11:15.47 | raster | its a bit stupid there |
| 11:15.55 | raster | from memory i dont fall back to character-wrap |
| 11:16.03 | emdete | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2ec43d94a5a47f8235d6a9e6439b9b32.png |
| 11:16.10 | raster | doing wrod-breakign would mean it needs to onow thelanguage and rules on hypenation |
| 11:16.14 | raster | and no way was i going to try that |
| 11:16.15 | raster | :) |
| 11:16.16 | emdete | see the line after the url? |
| 11:16.43 | emdete | shure, but it should not include an empty line |
| 11:16.49 | raster | yeah |
| 11:16.52 | raster | its just refusing to break it |
| 11:16.53 | emdete | and: hard break would be good anyway |
| 11:17.02 | raster | so it renders off into lala-land on the right |
| 11:17.14 | emdete | it's lost :( |
| 11:17.14 | raster | so u'd prefer it fall back to char-wrap then? |
| 11:17.27 | raster | well if u resized the textblock to be wider it'd be there |
| 11:17.30 | emdete | just cut it at the right boarder |
| 11:17.32 | raster | if u ask it for its formatted size |
| 11:17.36 | raster | it'd be wider than the obj u have |
| 11:17.45 | raster | indicating is just can't get smaller than its formatted width |
| 11:17.50 | raster | it should do that anyway |
| 11:18.15 | raster | and pictures - i did plan on doing that in tb |
| 11:18.16 | raster | eventually |
| 11:18.20 | raster | not as pictures as such |
| 11:18.23 | raster | bu "obstacles" |
| 11:18.23 | emdete | resizinf that would need a soldering iron |
| 11:18.31 | raster | u can slide in arbitrary blocks |
| 11:18.45 | raster | with either a callback or another evas object handle |
| 11:18.56 | raster | actually callbaks i think i planned |
| 11:18.56 | emdete | that would be cool, yes |
| 11:19.09 | emdete | callbacks would also be great for hyphenation.... |
| 11:19.15 | raster | then u can just hook up a few generic callbacks and move/resize an image or whatvere to be in the right spot |
| 11:19.53 | emdete | but back to the 2 problems: the empty line is not intended by me. its made because the word did not fit |
| 11:20.28 | raster | yeah |
| 11:20.40 | raster | i think its a bi-product of not resizing to be wide enough |
| 11:20.44 | emdete | and i would sugest to do a hard cut at the right border if a word does not fit. i am interested in the content |
| 11:20.47 | raster | as i think i intended that to be what u do to fit |
| 11:20.58 | emdete | there is no (non-hw) way of resizing ;) |
| 11:21.40 | raster | well in this case u'd need a scrollable region |
| 11:21.49 | raster | thsat can scroll horizontally |
| 11:21.51 | emdete | i don't want to ;) |
| 11:21.59 | raster | as such url i would actually make a separate field |
| 11:22.01 | raster | :) |
| 11:22.08 | raster | but as such |
| 11:22.18 | raster | the extra line is annoying |
| 11:22.26 | emdete | no, thats just a sample |
| 11:22.47 | emdete | there are ugly long words in german that do the same. |
| 11:22.57 | raster | sheiÃe |
| 11:23.04 | emdete | the url is just for reference (more debugging for me) |
| 11:23.07 | emdete | merde |
| 11:23.09 | raster | o u'd just want char-wrap then |
| 11:23.14 | emdete | yes |
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| 11:23.22 | emdete | in case of long words |
| 11:23.27 | raster | yeah i dont have a fallback if it doesnt fit |
| 11:23.32 | raster | its kind of an unhandled case |
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| 11:25.19 | raster | ui need to set aside some time to go into the code again and find that case |
| 11:27.02 | emdete | u or i ? :D |
| 11:27.06 | raster | me |
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| 11:27.48 | emdete | that would be really, really good stuff and would help me alot. :D |
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| 11:48.18 | ccfly | hello :) |
| 11:48.50 | edistar | ccfly: hi |
| 11:51.44 | dcordes_ | hi edistar, ccfly |
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| 12:26.51 | emdete | Marcel_M: hast du mal wieder gebuilet in der letzten zeit? |
| 12:27.57 | emdete | ich kann nicht mehr bauen seit einigen tagen, weil ein patch von imlib2 fehlschlaegt |
| 12:28.20 | Marcel_M | emdete: no 20080422 is the latest working one (fgau told me) |
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| 12:28.38 | emdete | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.47 | emdete | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.04 | Marcel_M | no tryed today |
| 12:29.14 | emdete | warum muss man sich immer nur mit so nem dreck rumschlagen?!? |
| 12:29.26 | emdete | hab ja cron... der tried jeden tag :/ |
| 12:30.35 | emdete | oups, wrong languag | wrong channel... shit, sry |
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| 12:33.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03matt_hsu 07andy * r0a4bc69cd721 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/ (s3c24xx_hcd.c s3c24xx_hcd.h): From cc08b5986dfd8d971ee46ce7045fb7863f99a92a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 |
| 12:33.36 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03agreen 07andy * r15467dfc64ac 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/s3c24xx_hcd.c: clean-sdio-hcd-suspend.patch |
| 12:34.29 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03matt_hsu 07stable * r463f236121c7 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/ (s3c24xx_hcd.c s3c24xx_hcd.h): From cc08b5986dfd8d971ee46ce7045fb7863f99a92a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 |
| 12:34.29 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03agreen 07stable * r401eb535cb94 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/s3c24xx_hcd.c: clean-sdio-hcd-suspend.patch |
| 12:35.14 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03matt_hsu 07andy-tracking * rfdc887813036 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/ (s3c24xx_hcd.c s3c24xx_hcd.h): From cc08b5986dfd8d971ee46ce7045fb7863f99a92a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 |
| 12:35.14 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03agreen 07andy-tracking * r68a96163573e 10/drivers/sdio/hcd/s3c24xx/s3c24xx_hcd.c: clean-sdio-hcd-suspend.patch |
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| 13:03.22 | mwester | emdete: what specifically do you wish to know about the flow control problem, and does http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1376 have more information you might find helpful? |
| 13:04.57 | SpeedEvil | Can the modem be run at 19200? |
| 13:05.00 | mwester | emdete: Also, you will probably find the kernel at http://moko.mwester.net/ to be better able to detect this problem when it occurs; enable the "nspy" debug, suspend/resume a few times, waking with a call or SMS, and see if you don't run into an overrun. |
| 13:05.06 | emdete | mwester: i assume to see lost chars in muxer and/or commands in my daemon set. i don't (as far as i know). so question is what are the special circumstances you saw these? |
| 13:05.47 | mwester | SpeedEvil: There is no documented way; cesarb investigated this because the 115200 baud limited the CPU speeds possible (because of the clock used by the UART). |
| 13:06.09 | SpeedEvil | ah - right - I knew that. |
| 13:06.30 | SpeedEvil | However, it might be possible to firmware configure it with other speeds. |
| 13:06.51 | mwester | emdete: The ideal case for finding this problem is to modify the kernel to hold the GSM flow-controlled during suspend, release flow-control back to the UART in either the serial driver or the neo1973_pm_gsm module. |
| 13:07.21 | mwester | When the unit wakes because of GSM traffic waiting, as soon as flow control is released, the GSM will send the entire buffer. |
| 13:07.33 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't it need to have flow control not on in order that the GSM module can send data to the SoC? |
| 13:07.41 | mwester | It will not honor the flow control during the send of the message; it seems to honor flow control only between messages. |
| 13:08.56 | mwester | SpeedEvil: I mean to say that during suspend/resume, one needs to transform the flow-control pin to a GPIO, and hold the GSM flow-controlled, this will make it wake the CPU with the interrupt line. |
| 13:09.27 | SpeedEvil | ah - htere is a seperate interrupt line? |
| 13:09.30 | mwester | Then when the serial port is configured after resume, one needs to switch the GPIO back to the UART's flow-control hardware in order to let the UART manage the flow of dta. |
| 13:09.40 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Yes. |
| 13:09.46 | SpeedEvil | Diddn't know that |
| 13:09.57 | mwester | It is rather odd. |
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| 13:11.26 | mwester | emdete: Do you communicate with the GSM using AT commands, or does it use some other protocol for your gsmd? |
| 13:11.29 | emdete | mwester: what does "the message"? one package when in muxer mode, one line (until cr/lf) in command mode? |
| 13:11.57 | emdete | mwester: i use my muxer which hasgsm07.10 binary protocol |
| 13:12.21 | emdete | max size of one paket is 100 bytes for the ti chip as far as i remember |
| 13:12.45 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.49 | SpeedEvil | resend |
| 13:12.59 | mwester | That may be significant; there may be different behavior in the gsm07.10 binary mode. I have only tested in AT command mode, where the message is arbitrary length and terminates with <cr><lf> |
| 13:13.23 | SpeedEvil | emdete: you're testing in suspend mode wakeup? |
| 13:14.24 | mwester | One reason this may have gone undetected so far is that it seems that the messages from the GSM are very short; many of them are 16 chars long and are just CSQ (signal quality) measures. They fit in the FIFO. |
| 13:17.34 | mwester | I was very hopeful that the kernel and patches I put up on my site would fix the problem, and the latest change was to instruct the GSM to not send unsolicited notices on registration changes or signal quality -- this worked, but the result was that the only messages that would wake it were the longer SMS and incoming call messages... and the problem came back. |
| 13:18.57 | ScaredyCat | mwester: I think I had an issue on my journey to the uk when in suspend and an sms came it... |
| 13:19.04 | SpeedEvil | What does an incoming call look like? |
| 13:19.05 | ScaredyCat | screen when white and that was it |
| 13:22.15 | ScaredyCat | but it worked pretty well (~9.5 hours before the whole thing stopped responding) |
| 13:22.50 | ScaredyCat | woke up half a dozen times for 'no reason' |
| 13:23.32 | ScaredyCat | scared the shit out of me a couple of times (travelling at night -/me thinks white flashes == speed camera) |
| 13:24.54 | emdete | SpeedEvil: no. i dont user linux-side-suspend |
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| 13:26.25 | SpeedEvil | emdete: ah - that's the entire problem. |
| 13:26.34 | emdete | SpeedEvil: yes, understand that now. |
| 13:26.41 | SpeedEvil | emdete: in normal use, it's just fine. OK. |
| 13:27.22 | mwester | Well, we don't *know* that it's ok in normal use... |
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| 13:27.37 | mwester | Just that suspend/resume sets up the conditions to make the problem expose itself. |
| 13:27.50 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I pushed a gigabyte over GPRS over a couple of days. |
| 13:27.52 | mwester | I have observed it twice outside of suspend/resume. |
| 13:28.07 | SpeedEvil | mwester: with no wierd hands. |
| 13:28.35 | mwester | Does GPRS use a binary protocol as well? |
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| 13:29.51 | mwester | thinks GPRS does not use AT commands, and that perhaps this problem is specific to AT commands and responses being buffered differently? |
| 13:30.36 | emdete | gprs is ppp |
| 13:30.50 | mwester | does a double-take, and re-reads SpeedEvil's comment... |
| 13:31.04 | emdete | i use gprs/ppp over the muxer |
| 13:31.06 | mwester | A gigabyte??? Gack! That must have cost more than the phone!~ |
| 13:32.10 | alphaone | mwester: Not for people with flatrates |
| 13:32.26 | mwester | Ok, evidence is building to support that this is limited to AT command processing; an observation I've made when analyzing the captured logs was that when an overrun occurs, it *never* drops just a few characters; it always drops all the characters to the end of the message. |
| 13:33.17 | SpeedEvil | mwester: free actually |
| 13:33.28 | SpeedEvil | mwester: It was free for a couple of days |
| 13:33.40 | SpeedEvil | 10 days actually |
| 13:33.47 | mwester | Nice promotion! |
| 13:34.08 | SpeedEvil | Also - in the t-mobile pay-as-you-go plan I'm on - data is never more than a pound a day. |
| 13:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Or I can buy a web pass for 5 days for 2.50 |
| 13:34.51 | cesarb | sees his konversation icon blink in the corner of the screen |
| 13:35.27 | mwester | Yes, we invoked your name :p (re: baud rates for the GSM, and the fact that you have already investigated this and found that we cannot change it) |
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| 13:43.05 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * r05f86ffc8bc8 10/defconfig-gta01: From: Mike Westerhof <mwester@dls.net> |
| 13:45.31 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03andy 07stable * rf7d2111513c7 10/ (defconfig-2.6.24-maxmodules defconfig-gta01): From: Mike Westerhof <mwester@dls.net> |
| 13:46.14 | XorA | ScaredyCat: you have the power of SHOUT :-) |
| 13:46.45 | mwester | hehe! |
| 13:47.01 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 13:50.23 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03mwester 07stable * r32a457c16160 10/ (defconfig-2.6.24-maxmodules defconfig-gta01): Stop GTA01 MMC Debugging messages |
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| 13:53.34 | emdete | mwester: i have one similar issue with the gsm-modem. sometime when i directly (w/o muxer) connect to the /dev/ttySAC0 i don't get the complete greeting line, its cut in the middle. may that be related to your flow-control issue (remember, no suspend involved) |
| 13:55.45 | ScaredyCat | CIA is lagging |
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| 13:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Cut at any point in particular? |
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| 14:01.07 | emdete | SpeedEvil: you know which mesage i mean? this "AT-Command Interpreter ready" or similar |
| 14:01.28 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.32 | emdete | SpeedEvil: i don't remember exactly... have to check |
| 14:01.33 | ScaredyCat | grins |
| 14:02.22 | mwester | emdete: If it is this problem, you'll see the first 15 characters of the text, with the 16th (and final) character being the last character of the message, which is always a newline character. |
| 14:02.33 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
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| 14:28.08 | emdete | mwester: strange. i can't reproduce it right now, but 15chars could be possible, but i don't use any suspend... |
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| 14:30.05 | mwester | Ok. But note that it is not dependent upon suspend, suspend/resume is merely the scenario that sets up for this (lots of data to send from GSM combined with longer IRQ latencies that would result in the UART not being serviced within the required .5 - 1 ms range) |
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| 14:34.42 | emdete | mwester: but that means that we have that problem even without suspend. if the system gets under high load we loose data - right? |
| 14:35.05 | SpeedEvil | emdete: the kernel should be buffering it |
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| 14:35.23 | emdete | SpeedEvil: does it under higher load scenarios? |
| 14:35.24 | SpeedEvil | emdete: it should be happening in interrupts - it's not user code loading it |
| 14:35.54 | emdete | than my cut-greeting is not related? |
| 14:36.23 | SpeedEvil | emdete: however, something like a higher priority interrupt that holds off for an unusually long time might |
| 14:36.46 | SpeedEvil | over 1.6ms or so |
| 14:36.49 | emdete | what has higher prio? do you have example? |
| 14:36.51 | mwester | emdete: Yes, that is why I am so concerned about this problem -- I do not believe it to be limited to suspend/resume any longer. |
| 14:37.12 | SpeedEvil | emdete: I don't recall the interrupt priority wiring on the SoC |
| 14:37.23 | mwester | *everything* has higher priority than UART 0. |
| 14:37.23 | emdete | i saw the cuttet greeting under no-load-at-all |
| 14:37.36 | emdete | maybe sd access..? |
| 14:37.47 | balrog-kun | interrupt priority is software controlled |
| 14:38.15 | ccfly | it's that murphy thing again |
| 14:38.16 | mwester | The SoC docs say that the hardware is involved, and UART 0 is on the lowest-priority bit of the hardware. |
| 14:38.29 | balrog-kun | mwester: however if busy-waiting is not helping then i don't think any kind of interrupt set up will work |
| 14:38.30 | SpeedEvil | I've not read that bit |
| 14:38.52 | balrog-kun | even FIQ has an incomparable latency compared to busy-wait |
| 14:38.55 | mwester | balrog-kun: busy-waiting *does* fix it -- but one cannot busy-wait forever. |
| 14:38.56 | SpeedEvil | If something is masking interrupts that might be the probolem. |
| 14:39.05 | SpeedEvil | might it? |
| 14:39.09 | balrog-kun | mwester: uh okay |
| 14:39.22 | balrog-kun | that's something positive :) |
| 14:39.33 | mwester | But I agree that FIQ is the only solution that will resolve this in all possible use cases. |
| 14:39.54 | SpeedEvil | suffers from acronym decay. |
| 14:40.11 | mwester | FIQ approx equal to NMI on the SoC |
| 14:40.17 | mwester | (more acronyms!) |
| 14:40.17 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:40.23 | ccfly | dear god ! |
| 14:40.25 | balrog-kun | i don't know, if it's a bug in the modem then FIQ might still be too slow |
| 14:41.36 | SpeedEvil | If you wind down the FIFO, you've got over a millisecond |
| 14:41.47 | balrog-kun | i'll have a look tonight at the modem commands again to see if there's a way to do 9600baud |
| 14:42.54 | balrog-kun | one thing i'm sure is that when in multiplexing mode 115200 is the only possible speed |
| 14:43.03 | balrog-kun | it's part of the standard |
| 14:44.13 | emdete | balrog-kun: you mean gsm0710 muxing? |
| 14:44.29 | balrog-kun | emdete: yes |
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| 14:44.54 | SpeedEvil | I saw stuff in my skimming over the 0710 muxing that implied error checking in packets. |
| 14:44.59 | emdete | but you can have different speed than 115200... |
| 14:45.07 | SpeedEvil | is there a 'rerequest packet' ? |
| 14:45.09 | balrog-kun | emdete: the UART's speed is fixed to 115200 iirc, and the individual DLCIs can control their speeds |
| 14:45.31 | balrog-kun | or i may remember wrong |
| 14:46.07 | emdete | i never tested other speed but it should be possible |
| 14:46.28 | emdete | you cannot change speed in muxer mode and the speed of the channels is virtual anyway |
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| 14:46.57 | balrog-kun | right |
| 14:47.33 | emdete | and ending muxer mode and restarting will loose all states of channels... |
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| 14:51.08 | balrog-kun | there's this ATW command to save settings but gta modem doesn't seem to support it |
| 14:51.21 | emdete | :D |
| 14:51.29 | emdete | but that's not by channel |
| 14:51.53 | emdete | i would prefere freq-change instead of suspend anyway... |
| 14:52.22 | emdete | my neo lasts 5h with everything on - a little more would be sufficient |
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| 14:53.06 | ccfly | well if you turn off the backlight for the screen switch off GPS |
| 14:53.16 | ccfly | it would be neough probably |
| 14:54.08 | emdete | no, gps off is no way ;) |
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| 14:55.31 | israel | mmmm |
| 14:55.42 | mjr | could live with intermittent gps ;) |
| 14:55.45 | israel | Wednesday April 30 2008 -- 16:55:32 +02:00 |
| 14:55.49 | israel | one day left? :-P |
| 14:55.57 | emdete | mjr: if agps/supl is there... |
| 14:56.16 | SpeedEvil | wishes the gps would do as it claimed |
| 14:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Or had docs |
| 14:56.39 | ccfly | TI or ublox ? |
| 14:56.44 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: Which one? |
| 14:57.23 | emdete | there is doc enough about agps with ublox and supl |
| 14:57.24 | SpeedEvil | hh |
| 14:58.37 | SpeedEvil | The hammerhead - which I spent several thousand hours tring to reverse engineer, |
| 14:58.45 | SpeedEvil | s/hours/minutes/ |
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| 15:02.00 | ccfly | s/\-.*$/Our AT command set is magical. Wanna see, wanna see ? Sykes !/ |
| 15:02.56 | ccfly | oh damn GPS |
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| 15:03.08 | ccfly | I'll have to coin a new regex now. |
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| 15:40.55 | torpor | hiya |
| 15:41.33 | torpor | anyone got suggestions for a new image to flash? i've mostly just been running the default OM ones on mine lately, but i have a feeling there are others out there pushing images. |
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| 16:01.02 | ccfly | try one of the development builds or one of the scaredy cat's |
| 16:01.10 | ccfly | usually they work |
| 16:01.26 | ccfly | scaredy cat has a few nice surprises in it though |
| 16:01.53 | summatusmentis | like candy?!? |
| 16:02.13 | ccfly | like cats !!! |
| 16:02.19 | ccfly | lots an lots of LOLcats ! |
| 16:03.53 | summatusmentis | I feel like that might slow the image down :) |
| 16:05.39 | XorA | the ScaredyCat builds used to have added nostrils |
| 16:06.05 | ccfly | yes you might find yourself being a bit dizzy and you might see a lot of wavy vidid colors such as in variety of drug abuse cases from 80s |
| 16:06.08 | mwester | shakes his head over that particular wallpaper choice... |
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| 16:06.15 | ccfly | but that's a price everyone is willing to pay dammit ! |
| 16:07.05 | ccfly | I liked those nostrils, they showed character |
| 16:08.17 | mwester | Oh! Is *that* where character is found, then ;) :D |
| 16:08.58 | ScaredyCat | takes some 'moon' pics for the next image |
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| 16:13.09 | ScaredyCat | XorA: what was that fudge again, with the not dl'ing form om ? |
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| 16:17.39 | XorA | remove CVS_TARBALL_STASH |
| 16:19.07 | ScaredyCat | ta |
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| 17:26.12 | israel | FAIL! |
| 17:26.43 | CVirus | israel: you're leaving in Israel ? |
| 17:26.53 | CVirus | MichaelShiloh: there ? |
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| 19:06.14 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: ping |
| 19:06.23 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: opng |
| 19:06.50 | mickeyl | hi. would you assume that forwarding ttySAC0 via nc/pty works in MUXer mode? |
| 19:07.11 | mickeyl | (because it doesn't and now i need to find out why9 |
| 19:07.53 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: humm humm, it should work just like forwarding plaintext AT commands i think |
| 19:08.07 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: have you tried the same setup with plain AT commands? |
| 19:08.17 | mickeyl | yes |
| 19:08.22 | mickeyl | the same setup works fine with plain AT |
| 19:09.30 | balrog-kun | emdete might know if anything other than the characters needs to also be forwarded, like BREAKs, XON, XOFF and thing like that |
| 19:09.37 | balrog-kun | these signals are not fowarded |
| 19:10.58 | balrog-kun | oh i wonder if there's something that buffers data until a newline in the nc/pty setup, there shouldn't be |
| 19:12.24 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:12.41 | mickeyl | i wonder whether we could come up with a testing program |
| 19:12.52 | mickeyl | other than the full MUXer which may have its own problems on top |
| 19:13.54 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: do you get any error message from the MUXer? |
| 19:14.08 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: yo, loads of |
| 19:14.27 | mickeyl | basically something like "can't talk with the modem" |
| 19:14.32 | mickeyl | :D |
| 19:14.51 | balrog-kun | not very meaningful :) |
| 19:14.55 | dcordes_ | hello mr modem hihihihi |
| 19:15.01 | mickeyl | not for someone who didn't write the code, ya |
| 19:15.15 | mickeyl | emdete could probably debug that better, but he's doing something else on the MUXer atm. |
| 19:15.28 | mickeyl | i think it would be very helpful though |
| 19:15.37 | balrog-kun | the TS07.10 protocol specifies things like timeouts which are by default 10 ms on some messages |
| 19:15.53 | balrog-kun | i wonder if the network latency is too bad |
| 19:16.06 | mickeyl | oh right, could be |
| 19:16.54 | balrog-kun | if nothing works then forwarding individual DLCs should work but i understand that's not so much fun |
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| 19:18.00 | balrog-kun | oh, iirc the initial AT+CMUX already specifies some of the timeout values, maybe that can be increased easily there |
| 19:19.04 | balrog-kun | +CMUX: (1),(0),(1-5),(10-100),(1-255),(0-100),(2-255),(1-255),(1-7) |
| 19:19.21 | mickeyl | i tried different framesizes, but that had no effect |
| 19:19.30 | balrog-kun | the (10-100),(1-255),(0-100),(2-255),(1-255) ranges are allowed ranges in milliseconds or something |
| 19:19.51 | emdete | mickeyl: how do u setup this nc stuff? alloc a channel and then? |
| 19:20.07 | mickeyl | emdete: it goes like that: |
| 19:20.17 | mickeyl | turn on gsm on neo |
| 19:20.28 | mickeyl | kill all programs using gsm on neo |
| 19:20.35 | mickeyl | then run netcat with: |
| 19:20.45 | mickeyl | nc -l -p 5000 < /dev/ttySAC0 > /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 19:20.49 | mickeyl | setup on neo done now |
| 19:20.52 | mickeyl | go to PC and |
| 19:21.04 | mickeyl | ./pty 192.168.0.202 5000 |
| 19:21.09 | mickeyl | it shows you a pty |
| 19:21.20 | mickeyl | then run the muxer on your PC with that pty as serial port |
| 19:21.27 | mickeyl | done |
| 19:21.35 | mickeyl | and the rest can run on PC |
| 19:21.43 | mickeyl | _if_ it would work :) |
| 19:22.07 | emdete | ah, muxer host-side... understand. i thought you mean running nc on one channel of the mobile |
| 19:22.21 | mickeyl | no, the fun is completely running everything but the modem on PC |
| 19:22.25 | emdete | could u use a terminal on the pts? |
| 19:22.34 | mickeyl | yes, works fine with plain AT commands |
| 19:22.41 | mickeyl | i can run gsmd fine |
| 19:22.48 | mjr | that is fun |
| 19:22.53 | emdete | interesting setup... could speedup muxer develop alot... |
| 19:22.57 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:23.28 | mickeyl | it would help to develop the complete phone stuff on PC |
| 19:23.37 | mickeyl | pygsmd, ophoned |
| 19:23.41 | mickeyl | up to the UI programs |
| 19:23.42 | emdete | but muxer proto is binary... maybe netcat doesnt like it? |
| 19:24.04 | Qwell | netcat doesn't care |
| 19:24.05 | balrog-kun | wondered that too |
| 19:24.11 | mickeyl | netcat should not care at all |
| 19:24.17 | mickeyl | but i didn't look at its code |
| 19:24.21 | emdete | agreed, but why does it? |
| 19:24.27 | Qwell | it doesn't do any terminal munging |
| 19:24.34 | balrog-kun | but it works fine for gsmd which cares very much about the \r\n\r\n or something on line endings, so it's supposed to like binary |
| 19:24.49 | emdete | Qwell: that will be the problem, perhaps you need to setup the term first? |
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| 19:25.16 | emdete | balrog-kun: binary means more that newlines ;) |
| 19:25.35 | balrog-kun | well, yes |
| 19:25.47 | balrog-kun | i've made backups of /dev/mtdblock* through netcat though |
| 19:25.52 | emdete | :D |
| 19:26.13 | emdete | another story for the thread 'i like the neo' on the ml |
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| 19:27.41 | balrog-kun | maybe we should have a modified nc that does the baud rate / c_flag / o_flag setup stuff on the tty, like gsmd |
| 19:27.49 | balrog-kun | or like the muxer |
| 19:28.02 | balrog-kun | are there any differences in the ways gsmd and the muxer setup the tty? |
| 19:29.14 | Qwell | don't even need a modified nc. use the stty app and nc's awesome GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE define |
| 19:29.48 | Qwell | execute some shell script that sets the tty params, and then basically does the same redirecting of stdin/stdout |
| 19:30.18 | balrog-kun | hmm, the flags are not reset after closing /dev/ttySAC0? |
| 19:30.35 | balrog-kun | then running the muxer once on the neo and quitting it should do the same |
| 19:30.43 | balrog-kun | and then nc |
| 19:30.51 | mickeyl | hmm interesting approach |
| 19:30.54 | mickeyl | that could work |
| 19:32.02 | emdete | mickeyl: no, muxer switches off the modem |
| 19:32.07 | emdete | AT@POFF... |
| 19:32.26 | mickeyl | not if i kill it |
| 19:32.27 | mickeyl | :D |
| 19:32.32 | emdete | -9... |
| 19:32.32 | mickeyl | hugs kill -9 |
| 19:32.35 | emdete | :D |
| 19:32.38 | emdete | bah! |
| 19:32.39 | mickeyl | *trying* |
| 19:33.43 | mickeyl | no, that's not it |
| 19:33.58 | emdete | use stty... |
| 19:33.58 | alphaone | Hmm, sounds like your up to something nasty :-) |
| 19:33.59 | mickeyl | i must say that it worked once last night |
| 19:34.01 | mickeyl | for a couple of seconds |
| 19:34.16 | emdete | once... :D |
| 19:34.52 | mickeyl | stty configurations looks good |
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| 19:35.48 | balrog-kun | for seconds... :) |
| 19:35.50 | mickeyl | MUXer output is @ http://rafb.net/p/nLD1fu92.html |
| 19:35.50 | emdete | see, saw that at fosdem, i think alphaone did it ;) |
| 19:35.55 | balrog-kun | is there a debug mode in the muxer? |
| 19:36.00 | emdete | -v -v |
| 19:36.12 | alphaone | :-) |
| 19:37.25 | emdete | :( |
| 19:37.48 | emdete | that says, it is retrying but there is no answer at all - even before mux mode |
| 19:37.50 | mickeyl | what's that gsm0710muxd[13219]: gsm0710muxd.c:1713:start_muxer(): system-error: 'Invalid argument' (code: 22) coming from? |
| 19:38.06 | Qwell | what's with all the 0d0a0d0a? |
| 19:38.07 | balrog-kun | hmm seems like there's no data from the modem coming at all if i'm reading right? |
| 19:38.12 | emdete | probaby setting modes |
| 19:38.29 | emdete | balrog-kun: yes. |
| 19:38.37 | emdete | Qwell: wakeup if no answer |
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| 19:40.14 | Qwell | oh, duh. \r\n |
| 19:40.55 | balrog-kun | so basically if the modem was not powered the log would look the same? |
| 19:41.03 | emdete | balrog-kun: yes |
| 19:41.17 | emdete | is it powered on, mickeyl ? |
| 19:41.56 | mickeyl | ok, it works again |
| 19:42.10 | mickeyl | it works if i first do the netcat |
| 19:42.17 | mickeyl | then launch the gsmdmuxer on the host |
| 19:42.24 | mickeyl | then do a poweroff/poweron modem |
| 19:42.36 | mickeyl | now lets see whether i can open virtual channels and talk to it |
| 19:42.51 | balrog-kun | very complex |
| 19:43.28 | emdete | :D |
| 19:43.46 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:43.49 | mickeyl | dbus not answering |
| 19:44.13 | emdete | have .conf in place? |
| 19:44.39 | mickeyl | .conf? |
| 19:44.53 | mickeyl | ya, should be |
| 19:45.11 | emdete | hm... dbus-debugger? |
| 19:45.28 | emdete | ..d-feet? |
| 19:49.21 | mickeyl | ok, apart from the well known init bug, it works |
| 19:49.24 | mickeyl | mickey@localhost:~$ miniterm -p /dev/pts/21 -b 115200 |
| 19:49.24 | mickeyl | --- Miniterm --- type Ctrl-D to quit |
| 19:49.24 | mickeyl | AT-Command Interpreter ready |
| 19:49.24 | mickeyl | OK |
| 19:49.24 | mickeyl | at+cgmr |
| 19:49.26 | mickeyl | +CGMR: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko7" |
| 19:49.28 | mickeyl | OK |
| 19:49.44 | mickeyl | muxer running on PC now |
| 19:51.44 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: cool |
| 19:54.26 | alphaone | mickeyl: Yay |
| 19:54.41 | alphaone | We never got that far with EZX... |
| 19:55.49 | mickeyl | and if you open and close virtual channels like mad (to overcome the init bug), you can even run pygsmd |
| 19:55.50 | mickeyl | like: |
| 19:56.09 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: "attention callback ('AT-Command Interpreter ready', 'AT-Command Interpreter ready')" |
| 19:56.09 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: 'attention __timeout_rr request timed out \r\nAT\r\n 200' |
| 19:56.09 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: "attention error ('timeout', '\\r\\nAT\\r\\n')" |
| 19:56.10 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: 'attention __read_rr no parser for line OK' |
| 19:56.10 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: 'genericmodem unsolicicated_message %CSQ (1,)' |
| 19:56.10 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: "attention error AT+CNMI=2,1,2,1,0\r\n +CMS ERROR ['SIM not inserted']" |
| 19:56.12 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: "attention callback ('ATZ', 'ATZ')" |
| 19:56.14 | mickeyl | pygsmd[13596]: "attention callback ('ATE0V1', 'ATE0V1')" |
| 19:56.28 | mickeyl | so, enough for now. Sabine-tie |
| 19:56.31 | mickeyl | err |
| 19:56.34 | mickeyl | Sabine-time, that is |
| 19:56.37 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 19:57.56 | emdete | cool, great work, mickey|bbl |
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| 20:22.07 | broedj1 | i'm ipkg installing right now everything between openmoko-appmanager2 to openmoko-today2 on top of the Angstrom distro - so how much OM will my system be when that is installed? |
| 20:22.23 | broedj1 | uh segfault |
| 20:24.05 | doc|work | not very much then |
| 20:24.11 | broedj1 | hm? |
| 20:24.16 | doc|work | nothing, joke :) |
| 20:24.18 | broedj1 | y |
| 20:24.39 | broedj1 | ah the segfault... i will work it out |
| 20:24.52 | broedj1 | er sort |
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| 20:47.04 | broedj1 | why doesnt ipkg accept wildcards... ipkg install openmoko-* |
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| 20:56.51 | broedj1 | funny how the "i" is not available in strokes.xml .. if i knew before :P |
| 20:57.08 | SpeedEvil | It's not? |
| 20:57.11 | SpeedEvil | haha. |
| 20:57.47 | broedj1 | that just points out how nice this all is... no i merely you |
| 20:57.58 | broedj1 | very altruistic |
| 21:01.23 | SpeedEvil | I tried it - I mush not have tried it enough. |
| 21:03.27 | broedj1 | it works fine... at my first test |
| 21:03.48 | SpeedEvil | I then got into making my own grammar |
| 21:03.52 | broedj1 | i like the speed, on my ARM |
| 21:04.50 | broedj1 | hm? as there is no t9, it leaves the grammar to you, i think? |
| 21:05.07 | SpeedEvil | No - I mean for matchbox-xstroke |
| 21:05.26 | broedj1 | matchbox-stroke? |
| 21:05.27 | SpeedEvil | multistroke glyphs that encode whole words |
| 21:05.58 | broedj1 | i dont have that, where is it from? |
| 21:06.29 | broedj1 | you mean that red spraypaint stripe? matchbox-stroke? |
| 21:06.46 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 21:07.03 | broedj1 | that is tha packagename of what is called stroke recogniser in the panel |
| 21:07.23 | broedj1 | ah im so oo fashin |
| 21:07.45 | broedj1 | o |
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| 21:08.25 | SpeedEvil | I mean - you can define strings of grids that instead of encoding 's' or 'p' they encode hydrocortisone, or 'I will be in the office at' |
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| 22:06.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4411 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): |
| 22:06.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 2008-04-30 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 22:06.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Add rule to apply style to HitoGroupCombo |
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| 23:21.47 | vladimir_ | hallo guys |
| 23:22.05 | vladimir_ | a had a problem with the making of openmoko-devel-image |
| 23:22.13 | vladimir_ | could i ask for help here ? |
| 23:22.21 | vladimir_ | or advice . |
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| 23:43.43 | acassis | hi there, I want know more about the openmoko switching to EFL. I am thing to compile this new palm environment to an old PDA (iPaq h3850) |
| 23:44.09 | acassis | s/think/thinking/ |
