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| 01:46.18 | duffyd | wow copying stuff to the sd card is slooooowwww |
| 01:47.09 | SpeedEvil | how? |
| 01:47.15 | SpeedEvil | And GTA01/2/3/4 |
| 01:47.33 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/jfjfjfj |
| 01:47.39 | SpeedEvil | goes at about 3M/second for me |
| 01:47.44 | SpeedEvil | (01) |
| 01:48.38 | duffyd | oh really |
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| 01:48.59 | duffyd | oh I c you use dd, I'm just using standard copy |
| 01:49.20 | SpeedEvil | Speed varies with card I think |
| 01:49.30 | SpeedEvil | scp is also slow |
| 01:49.33 | duffyd | k, I've got the standard one that came with the neo |
| 01:49.34 | SpeedEvil | as it's encrypted |
| 01:49.35 | duffyd | ok |
| 01:49.43 | duffyd | just using standard cp |
| 01:49.48 | SpeedEvil | the card I'm using is a cheap 4G kingston one |
| 01:53.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125885 |
| 01:55.33 | duffyd | ta |
| 01:55.55 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 01:55.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.lowpricememory.co.uk/Sandisk-8gb-micro-sd-card.html |
| 01:56.15 | duffyd | is that the tiny one? |
| 01:56.31 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: btw do you know if the media player supports .avi? |
| 01:56.37 | duffyd | or even what formats it supports? |
| 01:57.18 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: that's the sort in hte neo - microSD |
| 01:57.27 | duffyd | ok |
| 01:57.27 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: I've not used the media player |
| 01:57.37 | duffyd | got it, I'm just about to use it for the 1st time :) |
| 01:57.43 | duffyd | hence my copying a *big* file to it |
| 01:57.51 | duffyd | 700mb |
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| 02:25.04 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: wow that is *slow* - been about an hour and only copied just under 200mb |
| 02:25.31 | SpeedEvil | how are you copying? |
| 02:25.45 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: as I mentioned earlier with cp |
| 02:25.55 | duffyd | got the sdcard in my lappys sdslot |
| 02:25.59 | SpeedEvil | from where? SD-SD you mean? |
| 02:26.02 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 02:26.27 | SpeedEvil | that's unusually slow. |
| 02:26.48 | mjr | yeah, sounds like the interface's fault |
| 02:33.01 | SpeedEvil | It'll go way faster than that in the neo, using scp |
| 02:33.29 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: oh really |
| 02:33.32 | mjr | sounds like, even with how slow that is |
| 02:33.35 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: mmm, should try that then :) |
| 02:33.56 | duffyd | I'll let the sdcard slot play out its copy first though ;) |
| 02:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Goes at around 370K/s for me. |
| 02:34.44 | duffyd | well, actually might scratch that |
| 02:34.45 | duffyd | too slow |
| 02:34.54 | duffyd | takes sdcard outta sd slot |
| 02:34.58 | SpeedEvil | 12M in 38s |
| 02:35.04 | mjr | 'course, at least bandwidthwise freerunner will have the wifi edge - faster than the usb ;] |
| 02:35.31 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: I'd mistakenly thought the slot would be faster than usb |
| 02:35.37 | SpeedEvil | freerunner doesn't have edge :( |
| 02:35.42 | duffyd | that was based on no prior knowledge, though, (just a wile guess) |
| 02:35.46 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: it normally would. |
| 02:35.50 | mjr | SpeedEvil, indeed :I |
| 02:35.54 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: k |
| 02:35.55 | mjr | yeah it was a good guess |
| 02:36.24 | SpeedEvil | My USB2 reader pushes the kingston card along at 12M/second |
| 02:36.31 | mjr | just there's some problem with the reader it seems |
| 02:36.35 | SpeedEvil | which surprised me. |
| 02:37.18 | duffyd | can OM read ext3 formatted sd cards? |
| 02:37.36 | mjr | of course |
| 02:37.58 | duffyd | I'm using a dell lappy with (k)ubuntu loaded (feisty) so unsure if there's an issue there |
| 02:38.50 | duffyd | btw I just tried to copy the 17th april rootfs onto my sdcard and it failed to boot saying something about no magic code (or something) on sd card |
| 02:38.51 | mjr | afaik drivers for those internal sd readers lappies have are newish, maybe just the unripeness of it all |
| 02:39.00 | duffyd | I just used the same method I always use, bit confused |
| 02:39.10 | duffyd | mjr: k |
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| 02:49.28 | duffyd | weird it dies part way through the copy |
| 02:49.37 | duffyd | doh, I'll have to resort back to the horribly slow copy method |
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| 03:00.15 | mwester | duffyd: Check your partition tables; make sure that you and the neo both agree on where the filesystem actually is... |
| 03:01.26 | duffyd | mwester: yeah looks fine, sd card mount point is pointing at the right place |
| 03:02.28 | mwester | No, I'm referring to the partitioning -- does the neo expect to boot from mmc0 or from mmc0p1, and have you placed the ext3 filesystem on mmc0 or on mmc0p1 -- and is it ext3 and not ext2? |
| 03:03.22 | duffyd | mwester: oh ic, I thought you were referring to my copy via usb |
| 03:04.13 | duffyd | mwester: well like I said, nothing has changed in the approach I use. I've formatted the card with ext3, done a cat imagefile.tar.gz | tar xz -C /media/card, then put the card in, pressed Aux and selected boot from sd |
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| 03:04.29 | duffyd | mwester: I'm guessing I'm going to have to do some more indepth troubleshooting but unsure really how to? |
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| 04:20.39 | dbmoodb | hi ah.... what speed does the openmoko freerunner support over gprs ? |
| 04:21.50 | mjr | theory goes, 80k max |
| 04:22.34 | dbmoodb | 80kb/s ? |
| 04:22.45 | dbmoodb | or is that 10 kb/s |
| 04:23.22 | peepsalot | b is bits, B is bytes |
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| 04:23.32 | mjr | kbps |
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| 04:23.43 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
| 04:24.05 | dbmoodb | - can i get voip over a gprs link up on this phone yes or no |
| 04:24.18 | dbmoodb | --- are we talking about 2.5g 2g 1g ? |
| 04:24.57 | mjr | no |
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| 04:25.19 | dbmoodb | ..... |
| 04:25.34 | mjr | the latency and lack of quality of service is killer for voip/gprs, unless you're talking push-to-talk |
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| 04:25.51 | dbmoodb | push to talk ? |
| 04:25.58 | mjr | (could've asked your real question right away...) |
| 04:26.03 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 04:26.12 | dbmoodb | what about over another link up -- say a bluetooth phoned |
| 04:26.17 | dbmoodb | that has 3g support |
| 04:27.21 | mjr | Yes, though quality of service is still an issue (though a lesser one in practice) |
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| 04:33.21 | mjr | (push-to-talk, think voice smses) |
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| 06:04.12 | ScaredyCat | j #sipgate |
| 06:04.15 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 06:54.19 | raster | now... |
| 06:54.28 | raster | will suspend and resume not toally fuck up the ui... |
| 06:54.32 | raster | that is.. the.. question |
| 06:55.21 | raster | well.. x never came back |
| 06:55.22 | raster | woot |
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| 06:59.24 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:23.21 | ScaredyCat | suspend/resume seems good for 1 call |
| 07:23.29 | ScaredyCat | then it's crap |
| 07:23.41 | ScaredyCat | and notifications don't work either |
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| 07:32.59 | CVirus | I thought it was a matter of few days ... It has been 13 days now since the last PVT update |
| 07:33.15 | CVirus | I can't wait any longer |
| 07:36.13 | pyknite | hi |
| 07:36.35 | CVirus | hello |
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| 07:39.32 | pyknite | sorry i have a question in c++ |
| 07:39.48 | pyknite | i search a time on google, but i don't find any answers :( |
| 07:40.39 | pyknite | i want to read a precisly line in a file (ie: the line 10)? |
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| 07:50.44 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r245 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Tweaked call handling |
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| 09:11.33 | Weiss | pyknite: start at the top of the file, read a line, move on, repeat ten times? |
| 09:12.11 | Weiss | or perhaps better, parse the file into some suitable data structure (e.g. one element per line), then you just go straight to the line you need each time |
| 09:12.47 | pyknite | Weiss: thx, i found a solution just before ;) |
| 09:13.37 | Weiss | no problem... thing is, the lines are probably all different lengths so there's no way anything knows where to jump to for a particular line |
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| 09:18.35 | pyknite | oki |
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| 10:23.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r246 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (7 files in 4 dirs): |
| 10:23.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed testing ui |
| 10:23.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed signals in libfreesmartphone |
| 10:23.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed call handling in telit vendor library |
| 10:25.47 | caratorn | Has anyone been able to try an input method with qemu emulation? |
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| 11:03.17 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4395 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: implement new opkg_upgrade_package and opkg_upgrade_all functions |
| 11:03.47 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4396 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: minor white space and indent fixes |
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| 11:04.28 | Tuju | When? |
| 11:05.01 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4397 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/libopkg_test.c: |
| 11:05.01 | CIA-42 | openmoko: opkg: Add upgrade and upgrade_all functions to libopkg_test |
| 11:05.01 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Improve progress display in libopkg_test |
| 11:05.07 | balrog-kun | Why? |
| 11:05.17 | thos | What? |
| 11:06.01 | ScaredyCat | Cheese? |
| 11:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Sealing wax. |
| 11:07.28 | caratorn | Has anyone been able to try an input method with qemu emulation? |
| 11:07.45 | SpeedEvil | You mean using a physical keyboard? |
| 11:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Forex |
| 11:07.55 | SpeedEvil | There is I think something on the wiki |
| 11:08.16 | caratorn | no, an application using gestures |
| 11:09.31 | caratorn | It seems that it repported only a few events |
| 11:09.32 | SpeedEvil | click on the qemu window - and you get a 'click' on the touchscreen - AIUI |
| 11:09.51 | SpeedEvil | The emulated neo is very, very slow. |
| 11:10.08 | caratorn | yes, but I want to grab Enter/LeaveNotify |
| 11:10.27 | caratorn | and a click generates a lot of these |
| 11:10.54 | SpeedEvil | not just one? |
| 11:11.01 | SpeedEvil | doesn't know. |
| 11:11.36 | caratorn | nope, a single click seems to generate at least three events |
| 11:12.08 | balrog-kun | enter/leave notify doesn't make sense on a touchscreen |
| 11:12.08 | caratorn | It works ok when using Xoo but is unusable with qemu |
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| 11:12.24 | caratorn | balrog-kun: why? |
| 11:12.54 | caratorn | my application contains multiple windows |
| 11:13.22 | caratorn | that are all mapped at the same time |
| 11:13.32 | SpeedEvil | enter-leave only has meaning if the user drags |
| 11:13.32 | balrog-kun | because the event can only be generated together with some event likea click |
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| 11:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Or if the touchscreen can sense near touch-but-not-touch |
| 11:14.13 | SpeedEvil | which it can't |
| 11:14.14 | caratorn | crossing a window boundary is an event |
| 11:16.05 | SpeedEvil | Sure - but that can only be sensed if the user drags |
| 11:16.19 | SpeedEvil | there is no position report if the user is not touching the screen. |
| 11:17.00 | caratorn | of course, there is first a click, then the notifies should be there when he moves the finger |
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| 11:18.54 | balrog-kun | it may be a wm issue if there are too many events generated |
| 11:19.14 | SpeedEvil | And as I said earlier - the emulated neo is very slow. |
| 11:19.25 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if that may be worsening things. |
| 11:19.37 | balrog-kun | the wm is matchbox, which assumes a single window though |
| 11:20.27 | caratorn | even when trying to recuperate a single event slowly it doesn't work |
| 11:20.48 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: for text recognition it makes you have to move the pointer much slower |
| 11:20.50 | caratorn | ... on qemu but using Xoo + matchbox it went ok |
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| 11:22.21 | SpeedEvil | xoo+matchbox is probably running a thousand times faster than qemu. |
| 11:23.47 | balrog-kun | + it doesnt use touchscreen+tslib, whih generate event at some constant rate reardless of whether the pointer moved |
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| 11:24.10 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:24.45 | balrog-kun | is typing on a n810 keypad.. :-/ |
| 11:25.03 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:25.29 | SpeedEvil | never thought I'd ever be thinking 'even the zx81'd be an improvement' |
| 11:26.54 | zedstar | remembers the zx81 very flat keys |
| 11:27.47 | robtaylor | it was just a membrane |
| 11:27.54 | caratorn | does anyone of you has the hardware? |
| 11:28.19 | zedstar | insane in the membrane |
| 11:28.20 | SpeedEvil | (in the style of skeletor) Has the neo of openmoko! |
| 11:28.52 | caratorn | could you make a little try to see if the events are generated correctly? |
| 11:30.04 | balrog-kun | the hardwar is never wrong |
| 11:30.30 | Weiss | is it sensible/"the done thing" to compile a kernel for OM by "simply" cross-compiling using vanilla sources+OM patches+OM config) with the OM toolchain, or is there a requirement to use full OE? |
| 11:30.59 | XorA | Weiss: that method is fine |
| 11:31.07 | XorA | Weiss: there is even a git tree for you to grab |
| 11:31.13 | balrog-kun | Weiss: both ways work |
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| 11:35.27 | zedstar | i wonder how practical on screen keyboards are for IRC from small devices...i mean u will loose screen space.....the n810 is actually pretty usable for irc |
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| 11:38.45 | ScaredyCat | it' a total mare on the neo... |
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| 11:38.52 | ScaredyCat | try it... |
| 11:38.59 | ScaredyCat | opkg install pidgin |
| 11:39.23 | zedstar | yeh i was more thinking iphone with irc client for example |
| 11:39.37 | zedstar | i think that wud suck compared to n810 |
| 11:40.43 | zedstar | everytime u go to type some keyboard takes over part of the screen and loose scrolling space for the chat |
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| 11:41.19 | gambler | onscreen keyboards suck beyond belief |
| 11:42.11 | mjr | "bt keypad" |
| 11:42.34 | zedstar | noooooo bt keypadness |
| 11:44.05 | Weiss | XorA / balrog-kun: thanks. i've got both the toolchain and full OE installed, and the toolchain method makes a whole lot more sense to me, so it's good to know i'll be able to do a bit of kernel hacking without having to navigate OE |
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| 11:54.02 | ScaredyCat | points at iGo keyboard.. |
| 11:54.46 | ScaredyCat | ok, not somehting you could use while walking down the street, but then that's the same for anything that doesn't have a buil in kb |
| 11:55.02 | ScaredyCat | the multi tap doesn;t even have all the chars |
| 11:55.08 | ScaredyCat | ~blame raster |
| 11:55.09 | apt | ACTION blames raster (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 11:55.49 | CVirus | lol |
| 11:56.42 | raster | hahaha |
| 11:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Fullscreen transparent overlaid 0-F and T16 |
| 12:00.20 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r247 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (14 files in 4 dirs): |
| 12:00.20 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fix test to use call id |
| 12:00.20 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Random fixes to call status signals |
| 12:01.06 | SpeedEvil | cer: I can run something on the phone if you like |
| 12:01.16 | SpeedEvil | car: |
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| 12:04.35 | caratorn | SpeedEvil: thank you, that's really great |
| 12:05.13 | caratorn | the source is at http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/qwo/ |
| 12:05.21 | SpeedEvil | got a binary? |
| 12:06.01 | caratorn | I could do a binary if you want |
| 12:06.27 | SpeedEvil | I can run a binary now - source may be a week. |
| 12:09.37 | caratorn | ok, i'm doing a binary |
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| 12:12.42 | caratorn | SpeedEvil: how should I send it to you? |
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| 12:14.51 | SpeedEvil | rfc1149 |
| 12:14.53 | SpeedEvil | Or DCC. |
| 12:15.00 | SpeedEvil | Or put it on a webpage somewhere. |
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| 12:17.47 | caratorn | SpeedEvil: it's at http://dl.free.fr/ciXl7zwy1/qwo_0.1_armv4t.ipk |
| 12:18.59 | SpeedEvil | reboots phone. |
| 12:20.19 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh all |
| 12:21.17 | caratorn | SpeedEvil: to exit the soft you should enter all regions for exemple starting with the one with the a until you hit it again without going through thet center one |
| 12:30.54 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: ? |
| 12:31.14 | SpeedEvil | cer |
| 12:31.18 | SpeedEvil | k - trying |
| 12:31.28 | caratorn | thanks |
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| 12:31.46 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hi...case of the stupid touchpad and its user |
| 12:32.00 | summatusmentis | :-/ no fun |
| 12:32.50 | SpeedEvil | caratorn: ok - it exits |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | does it do anything else? |
| 12:33.44 | caratorn | you can write anythin you want with it |
| 12:34.07 | caratorn | for the moment it just prints it out to stdout |
| 12:34.24 | caratorn | if you want the a go to that region and back to the center |
| 12:34.27 | SpeedEvil | ah - so start in terminal |
| 12:35.17 | caratorn | for the s you go to the upper left, upper middle and back to the center |
| 12:36.13 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't seem to be outputting anything |
| 12:36.17 | SpeedEvil | tries remotely |
| 12:37.13 | caratorn | it outputs when exit it actually |
| 12:38.03 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 12:38.11 | SpeedEvil | I can't get it get it to exit |
| 12:39.20 | caratorn | you have to go to at least 8 regions without the center one |
| 12:41.03 | SpeedEvil | Ok - it does seem to output chars on exit |
| 12:41.28 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:41.53 | ScaredyCat | can you go back? |
| 12:42.09 | caratorn | the < that is on the left |
| 12:42.20 | ScaredyCat | ok.. |
| 12:42.24 | ScaredyCat | installs it too |
| 12:42.32 | SpeedEvil | I never get any display at all |
| 12:42.42 | SpeedEvil | any changing |
| 12:43.06 | caratorn | it doesn't change because it's an input method, just for inputing text |
| 12:43.11 | SpeedEvil | Note to all. Using a hotmelt glue stick as a stylus is a bad idea. |
| 12:43.13 | SpeedEvil | Smeary. |
| 12:43.52 | caratorn | doesn't it could work with fingers? |
| 12:44.05 | SpeedEvil | yes - I was seeing if anything else happened |
| 12:44.22 | SpeedEvil | It seems to hang occasionally |
| 12:44.40 | SpeedEvil | doing a couple of circles round the outside not causing it to exit |
| 12:45.25 | caratorn | what about reinitialising by going to the center and doing another round |
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| 12:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Is ther (on the default OM keyboard) a backspace now? |
| 12:46.45 | ScaredyCat | mmmm.. |
| 12:46.52 | ScaredyCat | how big is it meant to be? |
| 12:47.02 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it's fullscreen |
| 12:47.32 | caratorn | I don't know I can't test it on hardware |
| 12:47.37 | ScaredyCat | I get a full white screen, woth a little (say 1/4) with the keyboard |
| 12:48.10 | caratorn | matchbox doesn't care about the size we specify and does it fullscreen automatically |
| 12:48.34 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r248 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Modified pin query handling in both test ui and gsmd2 |
| 12:49.59 | SpeedEvil | Should stroking along one side always generate a char? |
| 12:51.01 | caratorn | SpeedEvil: no because there is a delete |
| 12:51.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 12:51.14 | guillaum1 | hi all |
| 12:51.14 | guillaum1 | I would like to add SMS support to MIDPath (MIDP2 implementation) for OpenMoko. |
| 12:51.14 | guillaum1 | In your opinion, should I use dbus or libgsmd ? |
| 12:52.49 | ScaredyCat | dbus |
| 12:53.13 | ScaredyCat | afaik dbus is the way forward |
| 12:53.22 | thos | yes |
| 12:53.26 | thos | dbus is like a hammer |
| 12:53.30 | ScaredyCat | and you wont have to rewrite it when libgmd gts killed |
| 12:53.32 | thos | now all we need to do is find the nails! |
| 12:53.55 | ScaredyCat | thos: when you have a hammer, EVERYTHING is a nail :D |
| 12:54.54 | thos | haha |
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| 12:55.46 | guillaum1 | ScaredyCat: ok, thanks ! I guess I have create a fake dbus server to test it on my dev environment |
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| 13:00.51 | caratorn | ScaredyCat: SpeedEvil thanks for your reports |
| 13:01.14 | ScaredyCat | np |
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| 13:04.10 | DPThuught | nice. My phone actually resumed from standby. At least three times now. |
| 13:04.40 | DPThuught | Is the new gsm firmware standby related? Or what would this change? |
| 13:05.19 | SpeedEvil | you have new GSM firmware |
| 13:05.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 13:05.39 | SpeedEvil | mwester is working on standby AIUI |
| 13:06.41 | ScaredyCat | resume seems to work ok(ish) for 1 call |
| 13:06.51 | ScaredyCat | then there's no audio |
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| 13:15.31 | DPThuught | SpeedEvil: no, i was just woundering if i should have the new firmware |
| 13:16.13 | DPThuught | sean never told in his mail what the firmware is for |
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| 13:19.18 | SpeedEvil | It's irrelevant anyway. |
| 13:19.40 | SpeedEvil | As they haven't figured out how to distribute. |
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| 13:29.06 | DPThuught | SpeedEvil: ah, ok |
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| 13:40.23 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r249 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:40.23 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fix incoming call handling |
| 13:40.23 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fix sim tests |
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| 13:46.55 | isprins | Is it possible to build in a function that causes the GTA02 to send a sms ( with its current position ) to the police if the phone is stolen and a non- authorised sim card is inserted? |
| 13:46.55 | isprins | It should also be possible to cause the phone to send a sms with its current position ( gps format ) to the police. This function could be triggered via a sms to the stolen phone if the thief has not already pulled out and thrown the sim card away. |
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| 13:47.58 | SpeedEvil | in principle - sure. |
| 13:48.27 | isprins | would be nice... |
| 13:48.29 | anrp | id be careful about implementing it fully, because the police would likely go after the author if it didn't work right... |
| 13:48.43 | SpeedEvil | And the police may just totally ignore it. |
| 13:48.49 | SpeedEvil | You'd need to get their cooperation first. |
| 13:49.11 | DPThuught | but something like this should better base on some established subsystems. Location service, sms interception framework... |
| 13:49.23 | anrp | interception? |
| 13:49.31 | DPThuught | and there is afaik much to be discused... |
| 13:49.36 | SpeedEvil | Autotranslation, for example. |
| 13:49.39 | SpeedEvil | ->anrp |
| 13:49.47 | anrp | ah |
| 13:49.47 | DPThuught | anrp: some calback whatever for sms reading plugins |
| 13:49.51 | anrp | a filter chain :o |
| 13:49.52 | isprins | but the will catch the thief pretty fast.. and he cant wriggle his way out of that |
| 13:50.07 | SpeedEvil | isprins: assuming instant police response to a stolen phone. |
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| 13:50.21 | mjr | probably better to send those SMSes to another known friendly party |
| 13:50.23 | DPThuught | anrp: yep. so it allready has a name. cool. :) |
| 13:50.35 | mjr | (sane thieves will dump the sim and reflash before using the phone anyway) |
| 13:50.36 | isprins | speedEvil: mhm.. |
| 13:50.48 | SpeedEvil | laughs at mjr. |
| 13:50.52 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 13:51.07 | SpeedEvil | It's gonna be some time before your average thief knows about OM. |
| 13:51.11 | anrp | there's a business there, pay someone a couple bucks a month and have them be ready with reception equipment and such, and also be prepared to work with the authorities |
| 13:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Though that would be a great metric of success. |
| 13:51.20 | anrp | not just specific to om |
| 13:51.22 | mjr | SpeedEvil, ... or fence it to someone who has instructed them to do so in general for all phones |
| 13:51.41 | mjr | (umm, do so = dump sim, remove battery) |
| 13:51.53 | SpeedEvil | mjbroek: sure - not flashing though. |
| 13:51.55 | isprins | the awerage thief vould not know |
| 13:51.56 | anrp | if you dont flash it first |
| 13:51.56 | SpeedEvil | mjr: |
| 13:54.42 | anrp | dumping the sim is a given for a stolen phone |
| 13:54.55 | SpeedEvil | Apart from really stupid people. |
| 13:54.55 | anrp | if its a theft of opportunity, they probably wont know to change the imei |
| 13:54.59 | anrp | so that's always trackable |
| 13:55.08 | isprins | i can see the face of the thief when i call him and tell him that i know exactly where he is.. " you are driving down burglary lane " etc.. hehe |
| 13:55.20 | SpeedEvil | You can't change the IMEI on most modern phones easily. |
| 13:55.30 | anrp | nod |
| 13:55.35 | SpeedEvil | isprins: 'Ok - can you tell me the name of that road - it's not on OSM' |
| 13:55.52 | anrp | if you know what you're doing, targeting high value phones, and you have people on the inside who can give you service tools |
| 13:55.59 | anrp | then its a lot more iffy |
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| 13:56.48 | anrp | also, sometimes tools leak out |
| 13:56.52 | isprins | speedEvil: by locking up his cords.. i have seen an documentary where they tracked a phones postition .. |
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| 14:00.34 | isprins | Is it possible to build in a function that causes the GTA02 to send a sms ( with its current position ) to the police if the phone is stolen and a non- authorised sim card is inserted? |
| 14:00.34 | isprins | It should also be possible to cause the phone to send a sms with its current position ( gps format ) to the police. This function could be triggered via a sms to the stolen phone if the thief has not already pulled out and thrown the sim card away. |
| 14:01.10 | anrp | "if the phone is stolen" |
| 14:01.12 | anrp | how would you know? |
| 14:01.15 | emdete | isprins: this is especially useful for bankrobbery... |
| 14:01.21 | summatusmentis | the police have to know about it, and they have to have a way of getting the sms... |
| 14:01.23 | anrp | rather, it |
| 14:01.35 | summatusmentis | there's a ton of infrastructure, that, at least in the US, isn't there |
| 14:01.48 | isprins | <- Norway |
| 14:02.42 | isprins | it is possible to change the IMEI number |
| 14:03.10 | emdete | this is already solved: some countries even require that the operator send the position of the cell with an emergancy call |
| 14:03.47 | isprins | emdete: i dont know if that's implemented in Norway yet |
| 14:04.22 | isprins | what about porting the PGP phone software? |
| 14:04.28 | emdete | isprins: usa require that |
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| 14:05.17 | anrp | at the very least, the network supports rough location guessing, but a lot of phones these days assist the network with locally gathered info (gps, etc) |
| 14:05.26 | anrp | in the us |
| 14:06.13 | isprins | http://web.mit.edu/network/pgpfone/ |
| 14:06.33 | anrp | :\ you aren't the first to think of that, isprins |
| 14:06.46 | isprins | anrp: ok |
| 14:07.21 | anrp | but basically for it to work, your provider needs to allow csd; i.e. one side (for csd -> landline modem) to both sides (with csd) |
| 14:07.34 | anrp | and it has to fit in 9.6kbit |
| 14:07.40 | anrp | slightly less, actually |
| 14:08.55 | isprins | it should be a breeze with a good WLAN connection |
| 14:08.56 | anrp | which is almost a showstopper... |
| 14:09.07 | anrp | true, but then you're virtually tethered |
| 14:09.36 | mjr | csd is fine for voip |
| 14:09.38 | anrp | which might be ok, i.e. its connected to your landline and you dont use it out of your house |
| 14:09.42 | isprins | anrp: no, just hook up a +20 DB cantenna :P |
| 14:09.50 | anrp | to a cell phone? |
| 14:09.59 | anrp | hope you have an ultra stable pan tilt mechanism to mount to your head |
| 14:10.05 | isprins | anrp: if it has VOIP |
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| 14:10.21 | anrp | mjr: what codec? |
| 14:10.35 | mjr | many workable options |
| 14:10.41 | anrp | voip is a misnomer unless you actually plan on dialing up to the internet and running ip |
| 14:10.46 | anrp | which is a significant amount of overhead |
| 14:11.14 | mjr | notable overhead, but not overbearing |
| 14:11.22 | anrp | really, i'm curious |
| 14:11.30 | mjr | but yeah sure, you can do encrypted neo-to-neo calls without ip if you like |
| 14:11.39 | anrp | i've looked at a few (open) codecs, speex is one of the few contenders |
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| 14:13.22 | anrp | and its ... passable at 8kbit |
| 14:13.41 | anrp | however you need to allow for loss of your 9.6kbit as its a transparent channel |
| 14:15.06 | anrp | maybe 1.6kbit is enough margin.. i can't say |
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| 14:17.02 | mjr | anyway, as for pgpphone, that's non-free, but libzrtpcpp does the zrtp protocol, as used in (at least) twinklephone |
| 14:17.41 | isprins | when someone writes a good one-time-pad encryption software for phones.. the NSA wount like that.. |
| 14:19.04 | anrp | they probably would, as many implementations of OTP are flawed |
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| 14:20.14 | anrp | the theory is solid but a practical implementation is not simple at all |
| 14:20.19 | isprins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECDSA |
| 14:22.03 | anrp | "Although the RSA patent has expired, there are patents in force covering some aspects of ECC." |
| 14:22.31 | anrp | if you're non-us you could ignore that, but the us is a big place |
| 14:23.02 | anrp | realizes that he's being completely negative ~_~ |
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| 14:24.22 | isprins | anyway, it is a bad idea to have a private encryption key stored on the phone |
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| 14:24.57 | isprins | a MP3 player is a good place |
| 14:25.36 | anrp | waves the magic flash wand and turns the neo into an mp3 player :o |
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| 14:30.10 | SpeedEvil | anr |
| 14:30.10 | SpeedEvil | : |
| 14:30.14 | SpeedEvil | anrp: gnash |
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| 14:31.02 | anrp | gnashes his teeth |
| 14:31.05 | SpeedEvil | One-time-pad stored on phone - if yhou have physical custody of the phone and it erases as it's used is a good solution actually |
| 14:31.10 | anrp | that's... not the best name ~_~ |
| 14:31.46 | anrp | then the question is how to get it on |
| 14:31.53 | anrp | which isn't really hard, just hook it up |
| 14:32.14 | isprins | SpeedEvil: the hard and difficult is the key generation.. true randomness is hard |
| 14:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 14:32.38 | SpeedEvil | Resistor noise works just fine. |
| 14:32.46 | anrp | raises fist |
| 14:32.56 | anrp | swamps low level signals :( |
| 14:33.00 | SpeedEvil | Or quantum noise, or radioactivity |
| 14:33.23 | isprins | diode noise is altso used |
| 14:33.49 | SpeedEvil | google smoke detector webcam |
| 14:34.01 | anrp | theoretically wonder; if you had atomically identical passive components, would they have the same noise output or just the same noise characteristics |
| 14:34.01 | SpeedEvil | and yes, making 1G of truly random pad isn't very trivial. |
| 14:34.09 | SpeedEvil | anrp: random |
| 14:34.23 | SpeedEvil | anrp: even for hypothetically identical components |
| 14:34.40 | SpeedEvil | The noise actually arises from quantum effects largely. |
| 14:34.46 | SpeedEvil | Though there are many mechanisms. |
| 14:35.13 | anrp | fun fun |
| 14:35.34 | isprins | i use to listen to "numbers stations".. |
| 14:35.54 | anrp | hooks up a tts to a random number generator and an fm transmitter |
| 14:35.57 | isprins | <- a llisenced ham |
| 14:36.16 | SpeedEvil | honey-roasts and slices isprins. |
| 14:36.19 | isprins | anrp: i have a siemens T-100 |
| 14:37.50 | isprins | <- amateur radio operator |
| 14:38.19 | anrp | i'm not :\ |
| 14:38.27 | isprins | Amateur radio operators are also known as radio amateurs or hams. The term 'ham' as a nickname for amateur radio operators originated in a pejorative usage by operators in commercial and professional radio communities. The word was subsequently welcomed by amateur radio operators, and it stuck. |
| 14:38.41 | anrp | ham, or...spam? |
| 14:39.18 | isprins | anrp: it is easy to pass the test if you know a bit of electronics |
| 14:39.59 | isprins | and you the morse code is out of the question |
| 14:41.08 | DPThuught | infernix: The Siemens T-100 Teletype? |
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| 14:41.20 | DPThuught | ops, meant isprins |
| 14:41.48 | isprins | DPTuught: yes |
| 14:42.24 | isprins | complete with paper tape reader/puncher |
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| 14:42.34 | DPThuught | isprins: wow. hardware porn |
| 14:43.12 | DPThuught | isprins: is was so often only thoughts before buing one on ebay. But shipping is bitch. :) |
| 14:43.33 | isprins | DPThuught: it is possible to interface it to a computer with a program kalled heavy metal.. |
| 14:44.01 | isprins | jep, the T-100 Units is heavy stuff... |
| 14:44.13 | bart_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.12 | SpeedEvil | isprins: I know - I'm just hungry. |
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| 14:46.08 | DPThuught | isprins: living the old unix days... sadly it is not a very sane idea to buy one. I'm not a ham so i can't use it for rtty. And using it as a tty console probably gets old very quick. :) |
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| 15:30.25 | torpor | hey ScaredyCat you there? |
| 15:30.30 | torpor | i'm about to try your latest image .. |
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| 15:30.41 | ScaredyCat | lo |
| 15:30.46 | torpor | howdy |
| 15:30.58 | ScaredyCat | been hiding again? |
| 15:31.01 | ScaredyCat | ; |
| 15:31.01 | torpor | yeah |
| 15:31.03 | torpor | ;) |
| 15:31.07 | torpor | been really busy at work .. |
| 15:31.13 | torpor | not much time for hackign when i get home |
| 15:31.18 | Mek | I guess there isn't anyone here who could help my get Qt4.4.0-rc1 compiled for openmoko? :) |
| 15:31.23 | torpor | so now i've got the evening to do some openmoko work and i'm gonna start by testing your image. |
| 15:31.25 | dcordes | XorA: ping |
| 15:31.32 | torpor | scaredy, any chance i could get you to add a native compiler onboard? ;) |
| 15:31.33 | XorA | dcordes: gnop |
| 15:32.03 | dcordes | XorA: wanna try angstrom on kaiser? :) |
| 15:32.12 | ScaredyCat | torpor: well, I suppose I could try :) |
| 15:32.18 | XorA | dcordes: you got it working? |
| 15:32.21 | torpor | it'd rock .. |
| 15:32.32 | dcordes | XorA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2144450&postcount=251 |
| 15:33.04 | XorA | dcordes: cool |
| 15:34.02 | dcordes | XorA: we can't get x running though :(( |
| 15:35.00 | dcordes | XorA: and a lot of hardware support is still missing. we still lack sd controllers (driver present, for slightly different chip though) and usb |
| 15:35.37 | XorA | dcordes: you could blow the roof on xda-developers if you had accellerated video support :-) |
| 15:35.47 | dcordes | XorA: haha I know that |
| 15:36.05 | dcordes | there were already many people asking |
| 15:36.17 | XorA | thats a very sore point :-D |
| 15:36.39 | XorA | shit rapidshare changed to kittenauth |
| 15:37.06 | dcordes | XorA: ya I know. obviously msm7x00x doesn't have imageon anymore: I can't find the layout pdfs anymore on the qualcomm site |
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| 15:38.24 | XorA | dcordes: I have downloaded, shall check it out later |
| 15:39.02 | dcordes | XorA: ok. it's not touching your rom. only a ramdisk |
| 15:40.36 | XorA | yeah I guessed |
| 15:40.54 | dcordes | don't have nand yet either |
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| 15:49.16 | blubbb | :/ any news about freerunner |
| 15:50.45 | XorA | it was last seen climbing the walls |
| 15:51.10 | anrp | GET IM! |
| 15:51.21 | Mononoke | oh my, last time I saw it, it was eating dead cow |
| 15:54.36 | blubbb | :/ poor cow |
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| 16:30.31 | unknown_lamer | mmm elephant + cells-gtk => mokolisp automatically persistent application framework |
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| 16:30.53 | unknown_lamer | needs to get back to packaging clisp and common-lisp-controller |
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| 16:31.32 | unknown_lamer | and then evil evil ffcall I wonder if I announce clisp 2.44.1 crosscompiled for eabi ARM with a request for help an ARM assembly wizard would come along |
| 16:40.42 | wurp2 | agh, I am drawing a total blank - what is the sound system on OM that sits above alsa? |
| 16:40.45 | wurp2 | pulseaudio |
| 16:41.10 | wurp2 | What is the best ogg/mp3 player to use through pulseaudio? I'm looking for a library or a command line program. |
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| 16:43.46 | wurp2 | blist |
| 16:43.57 | wurp2 | sorry; wrong window |
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| 17:03.24 | bedboi | is gps working in the scaredycat's latest image? |
| 17:05.06 | kdean06 | bedboi, GPS working on a Neo requires acceptance of the gllin EULA. I doubt ScaredyCat's images would include that. |
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| 17:07.00 | ScaredyCat | no, but... |
| 17:07.24 | ScaredyCat | if you've agreed to the EULA, and downloaded the .ipk.... |
| 17:07.33 | ScaredyCat | and you put the .ipk on your sd card... |
| 17:07.41 | ScaredyCat | my images with auto install it |
| 17:07.49 | ScaredyCat | s/with/will/ |
| 17:08.09 | wurp2 | agh, I am drawing a total blank - what is the sound system on OM that sits above alsa? |
| 17:08.13 | wurp2 | er, sorry |
| 17:08.21 | wurp2 | that's not the question in my history that I meant to re-ask |
| 17:08.39 | wurp2 | What is the best ogg/mp3 player to use through pulseaudio? I'm looking for a library or a command line program. |
| 17:08.42 | wurp2 | there we go |
| 17:09.19 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Do you have a page somewhere that lists the differences between your image and the base images? |
| 17:09.28 | Qwell | wurp2: mplayer too big? |
| 17:09.42 | wurp2 | Qwell: mplayer may be the right answer |
| 17:09.43 | ScaredyCat | only in my mind wurp2 ... |
| 17:09.54 | wurp2 | I want to build a new media player |
| 17:10.05 | ScaredyCat | did you see I went a bit ott with my bluetooth kb script wurp2 |
| 17:11.03 | wurp2 | With a ui that makes it easier to scroll through artists and albums, lets you mark songs for deletion on next sync and keep a full list of all music on the mother machine so you can queue stuff to be dl on next sync |
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| 17:11.10 | wurp2 | skip ahead in audio tracks, etc. |
| 17:11.20 | wurp2 | It'll be in python, so I know ScaredyCat will love it! |
| 17:11.30 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Nope, where's the message? In community? |
| 17:11.46 | wurp2 | I've been putting off reading community. It's been mostly crap lately. |
| 17:11.59 | ScaredyCat | no, in my blog and in my images |
| 17:12.27 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: and if gllin is installed, gps should work |
| 17:12.32 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 17:12.52 | ScaredyCat | tangogps should work out of the box once the ipk is in place |
| 17:13.03 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:13.07 | bedboi | hmm |
| 17:13.08 | bedboi | ok |
| 17:13.11 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 17:13.12 | ScaredyCat | issues? |
| 17:13.21 | bedboi | i'll reboot |
| 17:13.31 | SpeedEvil | There was something I meant to say about tangogps. |
| 17:13.38 | SpeedEvil | suffered a parity error. |
| 17:14.12 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Do you have a link to your blog? |
| 17:14.20 | ScaredyCat | http://blog.automated.it |
| 17:14.24 | wurp2 | Or is it in planet? |
| 17:14.27 | wurp2 | k, looking |
| 17:14.52 | wurp2 | Oh, yeah! I did see that you had a bt kbd utility |
| 17:15.09 | wurp2 | Nice! |
| 17:15.22 | SpeedEvil | bt headphone utility? |
| 17:15.28 | SpeedEvil | holds up his bt headphones. |
| 17:15.40 | ScaredyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <--- more pics there |
| 17:15.56 | ScaredyCat | need a kernel module for that afaik SpeedEvil |
| 17:16.03 | ScaredyCat | bt_sco_snd or somehting |
| 17:16.25 | SpeedEvil | The wiki pages I found seemed to disagree. |
| 17:16.26 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 17:16.33 | wurp2 | I cannot for the life of me get gprs to work. |
| 17:16.36 | SpeedEvil | I remember - I had problems finding something alsa to test it. |
| 17:16.43 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 17:16.44 | Qwell | a2dp > sco |
| 17:16.47 | SpeedEvil | I got it working after a few days of hacking. |
| 17:16.52 | wurp2 | I couldn't get any debug feedback from pppd |
| 17:16.57 | SpeedEvil | And then I upgraded. |
| 17:17.02 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: it's a bash script :) |
| 17:17.04 | wurp2 | So finally I started up libgsmd-tool and typed in the cmds by hand |
| 17:17.13 | SpeedEvil | hasn't felt up to getting it working properly. |
| 17:17.24 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: aw |
| 17:17.25 | wurp2 | My response from AT*99# is ERROR :-( |
| 17:17.47 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it does that unless you configure the APN/... just right |
| 17:18.01 | wurp2 | Oddly, if I do AT+COPS at that same point (I'm fuzzy on whether that's needed, some connect scripts did it, some didn't) it also ERRORs |
| 17:18.14 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Excellent information, thanks! |
| 17:18.42 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: How did you get the nice little gui from a bash script? |
| 17:18.51 | wurp2 | s/SpeedEvil/ScaredyCat/ |
| 17:19.00 | ScaredyCat | zenity! |
| 17:19.10 | SpeedEvil | And sometimes it is oddly sequence dependant. |
| 17:24.28 | wurp2 | I need to look into that |
| 17:25.01 | wurp2 | :-( dammit. I was supposedly being scheduled for an in-person interview in Zurich with Google, for May 5 or May 12 |
| 17:25.17 | SpeedEvil | Fell through? |
| 17:25.20 | wurp2 | I have just been informed that they have changed direction and have a hiring freeze in the UE for the next 6 months |
| 17:25.24 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 17:25.28 | wurp2 | big time |
| 17:26.14 | wurp2 | Supposedly I am first on the list to talk to after they resume EU hiring. I told the recruiter that I'm setting a calendar event in 6 months & 2 weeks to call her again ;-) |
| 17:26.48 | wurp2 | er, s/UE/EU/ back there |
| 17:27.03 | wurp2 | afk for a bit while I make calls & send emails :-/ |
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| 17:58.18 | ScaredyCat | is there a decent list of apn's |
| 17:58.26 | SpeedEvil | ther's wone one ute8i if |
| 17:58.30 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:58.37 | SpeedEvil | There's one on the wiki. |
| 17:58.43 | SpeedEvil | search apn |
| 18:00.16 | morricone | Does anyone know what GTA03 looks like? Because everyone is only discussing GTA04 |
| 18:00.49 | zedstar | scaredycat: http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html |
| 18:01.04 | ScaredyCat | tA |
| 18:01.06 | ScaredyCat | a |
| 18:01.22 | SpeedEvil | gta01 and 2 are the only ones with set deisgns |
| 18:01.39 | SpeedEvil | As far as we know. |
| 18:04.05 | kdean06 | I'm pretty sure that there is no GTA03 and that there won't be unless GTA02 sells well. |
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| 18:12.42 | ScaredyCat | the gta04 has hologram technology |
| 18:13.25 | zedstar | gta04 is an iphone ;) |
| 18:13.28 | zedstar | hides |
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| 18:18.06 | wurp2 | I have been wondering if my gprs is failing because I have a no-contract pay per minute AT&T plan |
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| 18:23.40 | ScaredyCat | surely they'd still let you on, only you'd have to pay $$$$$$ per min |
| 18:23.59 | kdean06 | I still need to set up GPRS. |
| 18:24.15 | kdean06 | The wiki didn't work for me, I have no idea how to do it. :P |
| 18:24.20 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: at least in the UK - it used to be that some plans you'd need to call them and activate it |
| 18:25.20 | wurp2 | If I could figure out who to call, I'd be all over it |
| 18:25.29 | wurp2 | I'll have to watch my bills & snag a number from there |
| 18:25.50 | wurp2 | From my POV, I just pay the monthly bill & make phone calls. I don't even know what my service plan is called. |
| 18:26.28 | wurp2 | kdean06: I didn't know anything about it either, except that neither the default script in the wiki nor the settingsgui worked |
| 18:26.50 | wurp2 | kdean06: But I tried the chat-connect script commands in libgsmd-tool -matcmd, and was able to figure out where it crapped out |
| 18:27.35 | Ghiottone | http://www.linux-iscsi.org/index.php/FIC_Neo1973 |
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| 18:28.33 | ScaredyCat | wft - iscsi over gsm ? |
| 18:28.38 | ScaredyCat | etf |
| 18:28.39 | ScaredyCat | eurgwefuiw |
| 18:28.45 | anrp | indeed |
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| 18:35.26 | Ghiottone | my reaction as well |
| 18:35.34 | wurp2 | OK, I've been to the website, but I still don't see |
| 18:35.39 | wurp2 | wtf is iscsi? |
| 18:37.04 | Ghiottone | scsi protocol over tcp-ip |
| 18:37.58 | Ghiottone | you have a server with a file on it. you can export it with iscsi |
| 18:38.03 | wurp2 | ah |
| 18:38.16 | Ghiottone | then on the client, you can "mount" it and linux will see a "sda" device |
| 18:38.30 | wurp2 | I don't think I care about that on my neo... rsync + ssh + normal wireless networking does me fine |
| 18:39.23 | wurp2 | I can see situations where you might have some huge file you want to stream, and iscsi might be the way to go, but I don't expect that situation on my neo |
| 18:39.32 | Ghiottone | well I'm now working on booting one of our servers directly from iscsi... maybe it could be applied to the neo too :) |
| 18:39.38 | dcordes | Ghiottone: why not using nfs or sshfs or so instead? |
| 18:40.04 | kdean06 | Most people expect a device like the neo to be a mass-storage device. |
| 18:40.04 | dcordes | ah for booting purpose? |
| 18:40.06 | wurp2 | But then you could only boot that way if you have wireless... |
| 18:40.08 | Ghiottone | dcordes, iscsi is fast. if you have a fast link, it is faster than local disk |
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| 18:40.25 | anrp | so is nfs, and a number of other protocols |
| 18:40.38 | kdean06 | I personally like being able to ssh into it, but the majority of people don't use command line and will expect to be able to drag-and-drop their music files onto their music player. |
| 18:40.43 | Ghiottone | well booting from iscsi from neo was a joke, probably useless |
| 18:40.51 | anrp | probably ?? |
| 18:40.58 | anrp | its cool, but.. |
| 18:41.08 | Ghiottone | well, one never knows :) |
| 18:41.17 | anrp | maybe network fw restore |
| 18:41.23 | anrp | maaaybe |
| 18:41.47 | Ghiottone | iscsi is actually much faster than local disks. a test we did showed 107MB/sec with iSCSI against 59MB with a local SATA disk |
| 18:42.04 | SpeedEvil | Over GPRS? |
| 18:42.06 | anrp | iscsi on what, though |
| 18:42.08 | anrp | lol |
| 18:42.11 | Ghiottone | lol |
| 18:42.18 | Ghiottone | no it had a gigabit link |
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| 18:42.43 | anrp | and what was the machine on the other end |
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| 18:42.50 | Ghiottone | a filer |
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| 18:42.58 | anrp | ..a what? |
| 18:43.06 | Ghiottone | EMC Filer |
| 18:43.11 | anrp | ... |
| 18:43.28 | anrp | well, i can't see any reasons why that would be faster, |
| 18:43.33 | anrp | thinks! |
| 18:43.45 | Ghiottone | this is an hardware filer |
| 18:43.59 | Ghiottone | with 50 scsi disk 300GB 15krpm |
| 18:44.23 | anrp | so, all that benchmark proves is that $50k worth of disks is faster than $100 worth of disks |
| 18:44.32 | anrp | it doesn't really have anything to do with iscsi |
| 18:44.40 | Ghiottone | eheheh |
| 18:44.48 | Ghiottone | yeah, you may be right :) |
| 18:45.27 | SpeedEvil | Unless you are comparing it with SATA RAID. |
| 18:46.21 | anrp | indeed |
| 18:46.38 | anrp | i just got 165mb/s to a 4 disk sata raid (linux sw raid5) |
| 18:46.44 | Ghiottone | wow |
| 18:46.44 | anrp | so, my anecdote beats your anecdote? |
| 18:46.55 | Ghiottone | yep I guess so |
| 18:47.15 | anrp | gige tops out around 125mb/s anyway |
| 18:47.27 | Ghiottone | really? |
| 18:47.42 | Ghiottone | I thought we were using 100% of the gigabit link |
| 18:47.50 | anrp | well thats the data link maximum speed |
| 18:47.54 | anrp | there's overhead that'll reduce it |
| 18:48.02 | anrp | and did, so you likely were |
| 18:48.08 | Ghiottone | I see |
| 18:48.25 | Ghiottone | well what we were saying was also that iscsi is probably faster than nfs |
| 18:48.40 | anrp | that...could be, but depends highly |
| 18:48.41 | Ghiottone | because nfs is file based, while iscsi is block based |
| 18:48.44 | anrp | since they aren't really comparable |
| 18:49.12 | Ghiottone | yep. iscsi can be used only by one machine at once |
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| 18:49.47 | anrp | anyway i doubt we'll see a time anytime soon where one's phone needs to be able to saturate gige |
| 18:49.50 | anrp | back on topic |
| 18:50.10 | Ghiottone | eheh |
| 18:50.13 | Ghiottone | yep |
| 18:50.19 | Ghiottone | well got to go now |
| 18:50.21 | Ghiottone | bye all |
| 18:50.58 | anrp | bye |
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| 19:05.37 | Hopscotch | thseiler: ich hab dich schomal gefragt, ob du funkamateuer bist... |
| 19:05.51 | Hopscotch | thseiler: ...aber nu hab ich was neues: hast du irgendwie was mit ublox zu tun? :) |
| 19:06.36 | josch | lol Hopscotch |
| 19:06.44 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: Crypt your messages by speaking german? ;) |
| 19:06.49 | Hopscotch | hehe, sorry |
| 19:06.52 | josch | Hopscotch, hast du nicht mal lust unsern deutschen channel zu joinen? :P |
| 19:07.22 | josch | stefan_schmidt, protip: google supplies a nice uncrypt engine here: google.com/translate |
| 19:07.23 | josch | :P |
| 19:07.26 | Hopscotch | josch: i'm in 10 channels already (also counting ircnet) |
| 19:07.50 | josch | Hopscotch, you are in ircnet and NOT in !eof ? |
| 19:07.55 | thseiler | Hopscotch: Nein, hab nix mit ublox zu tun, sorry... deuscher channel ? |
| 19:08.01 | stefan_schmidt | josch: Another good one is the rot26 crypt algo |
| 19:08.10 | thseiler | :-) |
| 19:08.20 | josch | german channel here: #neo1973-germany |
| 19:08.32 | Hopscotch | stefan_schmidt: with umlauts? :) |
| 19:08.36 | josch | and again our internet trac/svn: http://neo1973-germany.de |
| 19:08.46 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: That is the trick. :) |
| 19:08.52 | josch | lol rot + umlauts |
| 19:09.01 | josch | and for the advanced ones: |
| 19:09.07 | josch | rot + unicode! |
| 19:09.13 | Hopscotch | thseiler: hmmm... was just amazed how often you come around the name "thomas se/ailer" from switzerland when one is working with wireless stuff... |
| 19:11.10 | thseiler | Hopscotch: seems to be a common name around here... telsearch.ch gives me 47 hits... |
| 19:11.33 | Hopscotch | amazing :) |
| 19:12.25 | stefan_schmidt | Don't ask about my name in .de guys. :) |
| 19:12.50 | Hopscotch | hehe |
| 19:12.54 | josch | stefan_schmidt, uhh! you got 32 hits! :P |
| 19:12.54 | Hopscotch | "hans müller" :) |
| 19:13.07 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 19:13.12 | josch | lets try who finds the name with the most results! |
| 19:13.35 | josch | hans müller <= 2322 |
| 19:13.43 | Sup3rkiddo | rot13 twice |
| 19:13.48 | Sup3rkiddo | always works |
| 19:13.53 | thseiler | autsch |
| 19:14.13 | josch | hehe |
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| 19:25.02 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know what mickey's favorite email id is? the vannilla-media one? |
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| 19:28.23 | alphaone | Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, probably that one |
| 19:28.28 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: yeah, that one should be fine |
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| 19:28.46 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: heh, still drop testing neos? |
| 19:29.07 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Only yours |
| 19:29.22 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: oh right, it should have been singular |
| 19:30.55 | Sup3rkiddo | thanks :D |
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| 19:38.18 | mwester | YES! 5 sucessful resumes in a row on my worst-case setup for the GTA01. :) The buffer-overrun problem may not be insurmountable after all... |
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| 19:38.57 | XorA|gone | mwester: woowoo |
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| 19:39.24 | SpeedEvil | hugs mwester. |
| 19:39.28 | SpeedEvil | (in a manly way) |
| 19:39.49 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: come clean your just a big girls blouse :-) |
| 19:40.10 | SpeedEvil | I am willing to prove otherwise, if anyone will ship me a supermodel. |
| 19:40.29 | mwester | :) Yeah. Polling the UART in a tight loop immediately after the flow-control is released is what finally did it. Now I have to work backwards to see if there's something less ugly to avoid that overrun. |
| 19:41.43 | XorA|gone | hopes the new arm11 phones will be more like the n800/n810 for suspend |
| 19:42.52 | kdean06 | mwester, Got a kernel image that resumes properly? |
| 19:42.57 | kdean06 | Mind sharing? |
| 19:43.48 | mwester | kdean06: I will later this evening (local time). This one is, er, kludgy to say the least -- littered with debug crap. |
| 19:44.02 | kdean06 | Cool. :) |
| 19:44.03 | mwester | bbiab |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | ruxpin_: I'd use the above for point regulation. |
| 19:46.40 | Sup3rkiddo | speaking of suspend..does the tuxonice patchset have to do anything with it |
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| 19:46.52 | Sup3rkiddo | just asking |
| 19:47.23 | XorA|gone | ~seen rwhitby |
| 19:47.26 | apt | rwhitby <n=rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 21d 7h 36m 2s ago, saying: 'slytherin: it's all 1's and 0's, so yes.'. |
| 19:49.02 | josch_ | ~seen MichaelShiloh |
| 19:49.04 | apt | michaelshiloh <n=chatzill@76.208.209.165> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 22h 14m 39s ago, saying: 'bricode: good question. i think not yet. i will ask. ping me on the kernel list in a few days if you don't hear back.'. |
| 19:49.19 | Sup3rkiddo | ~seen Sup3rkiddo |
| 19:49.19 | apt | sup3rkiddo is currently on #oe (3h 24m 8s) #openmoko (3h 24m 8s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen Sup3rkiddo '. |
| 19:49.25 | cb22_ | josch_: any camisole yet? |
| 19:49.48 | CVirus | Why can't OM run on the N810 |
| 19:49.49 | CVirus | ? |
| 19:49.53 | josch_ | cb22_, sadly no... :-( |
| 19:49.53 | cb22_ | the glamo in freerunner can atleast do decent hw scaling, right? |
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| 19:50.17 | josch_ | but michael shiloh promised to let it ship today |
| 19:50.22 | XorA|gone | CVirus: why would you want to? |
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| 19:50.46 | CVirus | XorA|gone: just asking |
| 19:51.01 | CVirus | can it be ported ? |
| 19:51.05 | XorA|gone | CVirus: it will run, but there is better things to do than run OM on n810 :-) |
| 19:51.21 | CVirus | cool |
| 19:51.36 | CVirus | I just wanted to know if it's possible or not |
| 19:51.40 | cb22_ | doesnt like the number 7 any more :( |
| 19:51.42 | XorA|gone | CVirus: run poky, thats the same PIM apps, a better from end, and mucho coolness :-) |
| 19:52.31 | CVirus | XorA|gone: poky is like oe ? |
| 19:52.46 | XorA|gone | CVirus: poky is a stabilised commercial fork of OE |
| 19:53.06 | XorA|gone | CVirus: by the guys at o-hand, who also happen to do the OM gtk+ interface :-) |
| 19:53.07 | CVirus | I see |
| 19:53.20 | dcordes | XorA|gone: booted? |
| 19:53.27 | XorA|gone | dcordes: not yet |
| 19:53.47 | XorA|gone | tries to remeber how to get files onto a kaiser |
| 19:53.48 | dcordes | trust me you will like kaiser more after you seen it booting angstrom :) |
| 19:53.50 | cb22_ | thinks there needs to be a special terminal emulator for OM |
| 19:54.04 | dcordes | XorA|gone: micro sd? |
| 19:54.48 | XorA|gone | dcordes: yeah, just trying to find where I flung my card reader |
| 19:55.33 | dcordes | XorA|gone: you can also use a program on kaiser providing an smb server. I didn't try it yet though |
| 19:56.13 | XorA|gone | had forgetten it was an ultra II in the Kaiser |
| 19:57.09 | dcordes | has oldschool 1gb sd |
| 19:57.59 | josch_ | uuuuh oldschool :P |
| 19:58.15 | XorA|gone | wow I see Angstrom logo |
| 19:59.24 | dcordes | it only shows up for a second. don't know why. It's an a780 image btw |
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| 20:00.29 | XorA|gone | dcordes: that probably explains why X doesnt work |
| 20:00.52 | dcordes | just picekd it because of qvga. does it have a specific xserver like the nokias? |
| 20:01.13 | XorA|gone | yes, ezx phone have an 18bpp framebuffer |
| 20:01.21 | XorA|gone | or something like that |
| 20:01.26 | dcordes | XorA|gone: oh ok. Any idea which I could try better? |
| 20:01.48 | XorA|gone | dcordes: I guess generate a console image in OE for armv5 |
| 20:02.16 | XorA|gone | or armv6 actually |
| 20:02.34 | dcordes | XorA|gone: it's armv6. I tried building one of them using the nokia800 machine file as a basis |
| 20:02.43 | XorA|gone | oh, this thing has jazelle as well? |
| 20:02.50 | dcordes | but usual OE skew |
| 20:03.04 | XorA|gone | dcordes: make a new machine definition |
| 20:03.21 | XorA|gone | I assume SD isnt working yet? |
| 20:03.24 | dcordes | XorA|gone: pH5 told me nokia800 and kaiser are pretty much the same cpu |
| 20:03.29 | dcordes | no we are working on this |
| 20:04.10 | XorA|gone | once SD is working development will get quicker I suppose |
| 20:04.30 | ScaredyCat | anyone know about adding / updating stuff with gconf |
| 20:04.32 | dcordes | yes there are problems loading bigger ramdisks.. |
| 20:04.34 | XorA|gone | but sweet you got this far |
| 20:05.22 | XorA|gone | get moko underground working then this beast will rock |
| 20:05.30 | dcordes | XorA|gone: true |
| 20:06.45 | dcordes | there's even hope getting the phone working soon. htc vogue already can use data connections and somebody has kaiser's microkernel |
| 20:07.14 | XorA|gone | cool |
| 20:07.32 | XorA|gone | Kaiser could become the OM phone of choice :-) |
| 20:07.58 | edistar | XorA|gone: lol |
| 20:07.59 | XorA|gone | its certainly got a monster CPU if the power can be unlocked |
| 20:08.28 | edistar | dcordes: your are working on a htc kaiser? I thought it was a blue angel.. |
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| 20:09.03 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: A780 has a 16bpp fb |
| 20:09.12 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Only some newer ones have 18bpp |
| 20:09.34 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: ah, didnt know that |
| 20:09.53 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: 1st gen were all 16bpp |
| 20:10.09 | dcordes | edistar: I have both of them |
| 20:10.16 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: I know nothing about the xda stuff, just fair. :) |
| 20:10.25 | edistar | dcordes: ah, cool |
| 20:10.43 | XorA|gone | ahah, my windows Daleks return |
| 20:10.51 | dcordes | your windows what? |
| 20:11.19 | edistar | qualcomm cpu is the kaiser.. |
| 20:11.25 | dcordes | right |
| 20:11.29 | dcordes | msm7200 |
| 20:11.42 | edistar | s/is/in |
| 20:11.58 | edistar | only QVGA, but that should be enough for the beginning |
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| 20:12.09 | dcordes | edistar: it is decent for the screen size. |
| 20:12.12 | thseiler | dcordes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek :-) |
| 20:12.43 | XorA|gone | dcordes: my windows wallpaper is a Dalek or two |
| 20:14.28 | kdean06 | Am I the only one who find getting answers from Openmoko Inc. to be about as hard as getting straight answers from US Senators? :P |
| 20:15.00 | anrp | you have encountered the Corporate Structure |
| 20:15.07 | anrp | (k)eel over, or (a)ttempt to continue? |
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| 20:16.05 | dcordes | god those beasts are evil http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Dalekattack.jpg |
| 20:17.09 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 20:19.14 | XorA|gone | hi, rwhitby I was just asking ibot where you were :-) |
| 20:19.26 | ewon | has a TyTn II, and sincerely hopes openmoko will work on it at some piont |
| 20:19.33 | dcordes | XorA|gone: something is wrong with those armv6 extra configs. trying to build with the cpu specific stuff from nokia800.conf bitbake wants packages/linux/linux_2.6.21.bb all the time and fails on that task |
| 20:19.58 | XorA|gone | dcordes: ASSUME_PROVIDED += "virtual/kernel" |
| 20:20.08 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: just got back from annual vacation |
| 20:20.15 | XorA|gone | dcordes: that'll get you round that until kernel is in shap |
| 20:20.16 | dcordes | XorA|gone: did that. doesn't work. |
| 20:20.25 | XorA|gone | dcordes: I could add kaiser kernel to OE for you ;-) |
| 20:20.33 | dcordes | I also changed the provider for virtual/kernel. no change always that 2.6.21 crap |
| 20:20.38 | XorA|gone | rwhitby: wicked, vacation rocks |
| 20:20.54 | dcordes | XorA|gone: I tried that but failed on the git SRC_URI |
| 20:21.51 | ScaredyCat | if I change something wiht gconftool-2 and app that reads from there shoudl pick it up, right? |
| 20:21.57 | dcordes | would be pretty nice. but it won't help with the 2.6.21 build thing. I think that is because of armv6. maybe conf/machine/include/tune-arm1136jf-s.inc that? |
| 20:22.56 | dcordes | XorA|gone: I built an akita console-image just to make sure it's not local screwup but that went fine |
| 20:23.24 | XorA|gone | dcordes: point me at your kernel again, Ill see what I can do |
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| 20:24.10 | dcordes | XorA|gone: http://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=summary we work in branch "android-msm" |
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| 20:25.25 | ScaredyCat | mutters to self |
| 20:25.51 | dcordes | XorA|gone: http://baliniak.pl/android/kernel.diff this patch provides support for booting, display, framebuffer, ts, keyboard |
| 20:26.56 | CM | mutters to ScaredyCat :P |
| 20:27.21 | ScaredyCat | ggrrumpplfnkty |
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| 20:28.09 | ScaredyCat | who wrote tangogps? |
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| 20:31.06 | ScaredyCat | no one gonna own up then |
| 20:31.50 | SpeedEvil | bulk orders a 10-pack of rasters, to speed up the GPU. |
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| 20:31.59 | SpeedEvil | tangogps.com |
| 20:32.17 | SpeedEvil | .org |
| 20:32.22 | maroi_ | markus bauer |
| 20:32.32 | dcordes | what about him? |
| 20:32.41 | maroi_ | he wrote tango gps ;) |
| 20:33.06 | ScaredyCat | has he got an irc nick? |
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| 20:35.28 | CVirus | http://www.picotux.com/ |
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| 20:42.01 | XorA|gone | dcordes: attempting to build now :-) |
| 20:43.45 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Where does the gllin.ipkg need to be on the SD card to be installed? |
| 20:45.54 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: the patch is against the tree from 22/04/2008. I hope it wasn't broken by some commits yet |
| 20:46.40 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: do you build with include conf/machine/include/tune-arm1136jf-s.inc ? |
| 20:46.57 | XorA|gone | dcordes: yes, Ill see what happens and debug the fail if it happens |
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| 20:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r250 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pyllbd.py: |
| 20:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: added a daemon to allow location by cell-id from pygsmd through a |
| 20:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: local cell-id-location-database. |
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| 20:56.55 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: the root of it |
| 20:57.17 | ScaredyCat | and you need to keep it called what it was originally |
| 20:57.25 | kdean06 | k |
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| 20:57.51 | ScaredyCat | gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 20:58.17 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: what cpu does your build machine have :) ? |
| 20:58.36 | XorA|gone | 4x Pentium 4 |
| 21:00.02 | dcordes_ | :O |
| 21:00.44 | dcordes_ | only has model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz |
| 21:00.49 | dcordes_ | one of them |
| 21:02.04 | XorA|gone | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 21:04.42 | ewon | has an 8-core under his desk |
| 21:04.54 | ewon | it's running winxp though :( |
| 21:07.44 | XorA|gone | vmware fixes that :-) |
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| 21:10.54 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: the 2.6.21 stuff starts at about task 500 or so. when I do a -c rebuild console-image it disappears for a few tasks and then reoccurs. very odd |
| 21:11.03 | dcordes_ | hope it's just local |
| 21:11.15 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: its building linux-kaiser here |
| 21:11.51 | dcordes_ | did that succeed yet? |
| 21:12.24 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: still pulling git |
| 21:13.06 | josch | gn8 mokos! plz wake me up if michealshiloh comes online again ^^ |
| 21:13.20 | dcordes_ | can you give me your kaiser.conf and linux-kaiser.bb? I'm curious how you put in the SRC_URI |
| 21:13.43 | dcordes_ | josch: good night |
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| 21:14.26 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: http://www.xora.org.uk/~kaiser |
| 21:14.31 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: http://www.xora.org.uk/~dp/kaiser |
| 21:14.57 | dcordes_ | thx |
| 21:15.44 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: with a different patch also htcvogue works too |
| 21:15.58 | XorA|gone | whats the vogue? |
| 21:16.18 | dcordes_ | -too so we could have linux-msm.inc and put different patches for machine/htckaiser.conf and machine/htcvogue.conf |
| 21:17.12 | dcordes_ | it is a very similar htc phone for cdma with msm7500 instead of msm7200 http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1041 |
| 21:18.39 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: those files should get you started though :-) |
| 21:18.44 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: the guy who made the initial patches that allowed booting on kaiser, vogue (I hear also htctitan ,msm7500) wrote them for htc vogue |
| 21:19.10 | dcordes_ | I guess since there are many msms upcoming the way with .inc would be good. ok will start a build now |
| 21:19.28 | dcordes_ | let's see if I'm outrunning you with e6750 ;) |
| 21:19.28 | XorA|gone | vogue looks like tytnII version of the touch |
| 21:19.35 | dcordes_ | ya |
| 21:20.13 | XorA|gone | crappit, why didnt they come out in time for xmas |
| 21:21.12 | dcordes_ | :) you want a cdma phone in .co.uk? |
| 21:21.28 | XorA|gone | I bought my wife a touch, but its crap :-( |
| 21:21.34 | XorA|gone | worse that my old Wizard |
| 21:21.36 | dcordes_ | how's that? |
| 21:22.09 | XorA|gone | I think HTC have just fucked up the OS somehow, the hardware is very similar to the Wizard, but it just doesnt work well |
| 21:22.25 | XorA|gone | same OS as the TyTNII which functions much better |
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| 21:22.43 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: oh touch is 201mhz omap :/ |
| 21:23.15 | dcordes_ | isn't wizard also omap850? |
| 21:23.21 | XorA|gone | yes |
| 21:23.31 | XorA|gone | so you would expect touch to work as well as wizard, but it doesnt :-( |
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| 21:23.53 | dcordes_ | same windows ce screw like with the lack of imageon driver |
| 21:23.58 | dcordes_ | funny people |
| 21:24.21 | XorA|gone | I think they just use whatever CPU is cheap that week |
| 21:24.50 | XorA|gone | order a few million cpu, design a phone round it, run :-) |
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| 21:25.12 | dcordes_ | well I think except of the lack of public documentation the msm7* are pretty hot chips |
| 21:25.36 | XorA|gone | the specs certainly stack well |
| 21:25.50 | dcordes_ | somebody once said the wince devs are ready for release as soon as something boots on the first evaluation board |
| 21:25.56 | XorA|gone | Id love the Kaiser as a fulltime linux phone |
| 21:26.11 | dcordes_ | we are on the best way |
| 21:26.12 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: sounds right :-) |
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| 21:26.58 | dcordes_ | I was buying kaiser in 11/2007 with the hope linux will happen on it some day |
| 21:27.08 | dcordes_ | ~hail google |
| 21:27.09 | apt | ACTION bows down to google and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:27.11 | dcordes_ | ducks |
| 21:30.44 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: what's that nand stuff in linux-kaiser? |
| 21:33.56 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: just crap, I nicked the .bb file from another one :-) |
| 21:34.28 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: for now, just something that will do the fetch and attempt a build, can customise it later |
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| 21:37.18 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: I thought you made up hyper quick led and nand patches |
| 21:37.18 | wibbit | taps fingers on the table impatiently |
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| 21:37.21 | dcordes_ | :) |
| 21:37.54 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: when we get something that works Ill push it into OE |
| 21:38.11 | dcordes_ | let's clean it up a bit before :p |
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| 21:38.20 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: yeah, works/cleaned |
| 21:38.32 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: then all you need is SD support :-) |
| 21:38.45 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: did you boot? |
| 21:38.54 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: yup |
| 21:39.07 | dcordes_ | cool. console-image right? |
| 21:39.23 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: oh no, not what I am building now, what you sent |
| 21:39.34 | XorA|gone | still building |
| 21:39.52 | dizzy | hello everybody. can anyone please tell me, why there are two include/lib directories in the precompiled toolchain of openmoko, |
| 21:39.55 | dcordes_ | ok. did you check the keyboard? |
| 21:40.04 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: yes, it seems to work |
| 21:40.11 | XorA|gone | apart from shift is caps |
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| 21:41.57 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: the author copied the behaviour from wince: one hit and you have caps/fn for one key. hitting it twice makes fn/shift lock. of course you can also hold down |
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| 21:43.42 | dcordes_ | XorA|gone: I think it's quite nice that way because it appears hard to make e.g. a capital a w/o the lock function |
| 21:44.45 | XorA|gone | dcordes_: dont mind me, I just get easilly confused :-) |
| 21:45.14 | dcordes_ | I guess it won't be hard to put that in a different way |
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