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| 00:38.29 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone remind me where the information about 'mounted' input devices can be found? |
| 00:38.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 01:14.14 | SpeedEvil | Off-topic. I have a USB HID UPS. It reports stuff like http://www.mauve.plus.com/lsv.txt - but isn't recognised by any driver. I assume there is no dd if=/wherever I can do to read all this info and parse it myself if there is no driver? |
| 01:25.29 | SpeedEvil | sighs. Latest build - a fresh build - no X on startup. |
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| 01:29.39 | SpeedEvil | On the upside - it's much faster to boot. |
| 01:29.56 | SpeedEvil | Odd - second boot it seems to maybe be starting. |
| 01:31.21 | SpeedEvil | Ah - it has. |
| 01:31.38 | SpeedEvil | But the display is still broken. |
| 01:35.23 | ewon | anyone know how the gta02 performs in sunlight? |
| 01:35.29 | ewon | this is really a dealbreaker for me |
| 01:35.33 | SpeedEvil | Likely no better. |
| 01:35.36 | SpeedEvil | I.E. poorly |
| 01:35.40 | ewon | :( |
| 01:36.12 | ewon | guess I'm not getting one so |
| 01:36.32 | SpeedEvil | If you don't go out in the daylight much, this is fine. |
| 01:36.46 | SpeedEvil | But as it's being sold to linux geeks, this is not a limitation in practice. |
| 01:37.05 | ewon | I need it to work as an archery scoring application platform |
| 01:37.10 | ewon | so I might as well get an n810 |
| 01:37.21 | SpeedEvil | ewon: the touchscreen will _not_ stand up to that. |
| 01:37.31 | ewon | why not? |
| 01:37.51 | SpeedEvil | The arrows'd go right through. |
| 01:37.57 | ewon | blinks |
| 01:37.58 | ewon | lawl |
| 01:38.59 | SpeedEvil | I'm basing this off the lack of 'OMG the screen on my GTA02 is so much better in sunlight' posts from the core team. |
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| 01:41.03 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone built from source in the last week? |
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| 01:52.25 | SpeedEvil | Is there an X screenshotter in the default image? |
| 01:53.42 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: hey not all of us living indoors |
| 01:54.07 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: Of course not. |
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| 04:30.09 | playya | ewon, a n810 has no gsm stack. it is a internet tablet |
| 04:30.26 | ewon | well, yes |
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| 04:46.14 | orospakr | http://pastie.caboo.se/174442 |
| 04:46.46 | orospakr | alas, python seems to not work after installing with opkg. |
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| 05:52.30 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: if it is a HID ups, shouldn't it show up in /dev/input/eventX ? |
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| 05:58.47 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r131 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:58.47 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: Began adding network tests. |
| 05:58.47 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: Modified sms_interface to hide ipc from the rest of the program and vice versa. |
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| 07:12.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:30.09 | SpeedEvil | Morning. Has anyone had a working compile in the last few days? |
| 07:30.29 | SpeedEvil | My builds - even ones from scratch - have come out broken. |
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| 07:43.34 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: tried mine? |
| 07:44.05 | ScaredyCat | wonders if the raft of commits yesterday were just cosmetic |
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| 07:46.22 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: no. |
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| 08:04.09 | mbuf | what could be the reason that i get "undefined reference to lgsm_passthrough, lgsm_init, lgsm_pin" when compiling against March 28th build? |
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| 08:21.00 | mbuf | in earlier builds, there was a build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd.a library; but, that is not there in March 28th 2008 build; hence i am getting "undefined reference to lgsm_passthrough(), lgsm_init(), lgsm_pin()" functions; where did this libgsmd.a go in the new build? (tries find) |
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| 09:55.22 | zedstar_ | hi tonyg hows the erlang stuff going? |
| 09:55.40 | tonyg | hi zedstar_ i haven't had any time to work on it! |
| 09:55.49 | tonyg | my phone has been languishing, unloved and unused |
| 09:56.07 | tonyg | i'm back to my shitty sony ericsson because the battery live of the gta04 wasn't good enough |
| 09:56.13 | tonyg | *life |
| 09:56.24 | zedstar_ | tonyg: ah yeh.......bit late to mention now but tomorrow at imperial college is 48hr mobile hacking event |
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| 10:06.20 | gambler | zedstar: 4 openmoko? |
| 10:07.08 | mbuf | wiki.openmoko.org is temporarily offline? or my connection is screwed? |
| 10:07.10 | zedstar_ | gambler: not specifically for all kinds of mobile |
| 10:07.38 | thos | mbuf, temporarily screwed |
| 10:21.40 | cb22 | wants a freerunner |
| 10:25.50 | thos | I want to test the accellerometers on mine |
| 10:26.23 | ScaredyCat | thos: throw yours to me.. then we can test :) |
| 10:28.54 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4303 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/test-notes.c): |
| 10:28.54 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 2008-04-03 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 10:28.54 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * src/test-notes.c: (main): Add optional message and author command line |
| 10:28.54 | CIA-18 | openmoko: parameters |
| 10:30.05 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4304 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:30.05 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 2008-04-03 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 10:30.05 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.c: (create_new_contact_from_number), |
| 10:30.05 | CIA-18 | openmoko: (btn_save_info_weak_notify), (moko_save_number): |
| 10:30.05 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.h: |
| 10:30.09 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: |
| 10:30.11 | CIA-18 | openmoko: Fix some compiler warnings and possible double free |
| 10:31.51 | thos | RAWR |
| 10:31.53 | thos | svn is back |
| 10:31.54 | thos | woot |
| 10:32.24 | thos | so yeah, I should commit my new theme stuff |
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| 11:58.55 | Kronk | wishes everyone a good evening / morning / afternoon ;) |
| 12:01.34 | rwhitby | Kronk: g'day from the foothills |
| 12:01.54 | Kronk | hey hey |
| 12:01.58 | Kronk | r u in Perth Aust ? |
| 12:02.23 | rwhitby | you're hostname says adl6.internode - aren't you in Adelaide? |
| 12:02.31 | Kronk | sorta ;) |
| 12:02.33 | Kronk | Darwin |
| 12:02.42 | Kronk | Suburb of Adelaide :p |
| 12:02.44 | rwhitby | ah, North Adelaide. |
| 12:02.48 | Kronk | ;) |
| 12:02.50 | Kronk | Indeed ! |
| 12:03.13 | cb22 | Kronk: when you join a channel, it's morning. when you leave, its evening ;) |
| 12:03.21 | Kronk | right ! |
| 12:03.32 | rwhitby | or if you're an aussie, it's g'day at any time. |
| 12:03.35 | Kronk | I usually find it the other way around |
| 12:03.38 | Kronk | ;) |
| 12:04.01 | rtm | About how many neos are there in The Lucky Country? |
| 12:04.14 | rwhitby | I know of at least 4 or 5 |
| 12:04.29 | cb22 | ... more then in south africa ... |
| 12:04.30 | rwhitby | 2 other don't work any more though. |
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| 12:05.14 | rwhitby | there's 2 non-working in Adelaide, 1 working in Perth, at least 1 in Sydney, and Trolltech have a number in Brisbane. |
| 12:05.31 | rtm | What happened to the nonworking ones? |
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| 12:05.47 | Kronk | 1 in Darwin ;) |
| 12:05.51 | Kronk | 1973 that is |
| 12:06.00 | rwhitby | unknown yet. they no longer charge batteries (and yes I know all about deep discharge and how to fix it) |
| 12:06.17 | rwhitby | they also no longer work of charged batteries from a nokia phone |
| 12:06.30 | rwhitby | Kronk: got a debug board? |
| 12:06.43 | Kronk | nah just the phone |
| 12:06.57 | Kronk | Was gonna hack up a cable if and when needed ! |
| 12:06.57 | DPThought | would be fun to have a map to show where openkoko users and devs are from :) |
| 12:06.57 | Kronk | ;) |
| 12:07.00 | gi-el | i think it's time to flash a new image and see what the current status is |
| 12:07.09 | Kronk | Trying to do that myself ! |
| 12:07.15 | rwhitby | if you ever need access to a debug board, I have one here. I've already done a courier turn-around for a guy from sydney who bricked his ... |
| 12:07.17 | Kronk | Flashing gumby unfortunatly ;( |
| 12:07.19 | gi-el | haven't had time for ages |
| 12:07.24 | Kronk | lol |
| 12:07.28 | rtm | Will the neo1973's debug board work with the freerunner? |
| 12:07.32 | slytherin | is there any simulator which runs as fast as the real phone? I mean qemu is too slow. :-( |
| 12:07.34 | Kronk | np's thanx for the offer I'll keep it in mind :) |
| 12:07.39 | gi-el | and don't really have any time now, but curiosity is getting the best of me |
| 12:08.09 | zedstar_ | germany and uk have quite a few Neos i think.....maybe USA tops the list? |
| 12:08.32 | DPThought | my feeling too |
| 12:08.40 | DPThought | but i like suprises :) |
| 12:09.08 | abraxa_ | slytherin: Nope, qemu is the best we have |
| 12:09.14 | zedstar_ | ive met a handful of Neo users in london |
| 12:09.26 | Kronk | qemu doesn't run too bad on a dual core |
| 12:09.31 | Kronk | little slow but usable |
| 12:09.51 | Kronk | Has that London demo of the Freerunner been on yet ? |
| 12:09.52 | thos | rtm, yes |
| 12:09.59 | thos | Kronk, no! |
| 12:10.04 | thos | Kronk, it's not a demo of the Freerunner |
| 12:10.05 | rtm | thos: Thanks! |
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| 12:10.18 | Kronk | well soz the venue where it will be on show ;) |
| 12:10.20 | slytherin | Kronk: I don't have a dual core. And I am sure you are not implying that I should buy one to simulate a phone that I am not buying in near future. :-) |
| 12:10.21 | thos | Kronk, I just thought I might go along to someone else's talk and take my proto |
| 12:10.31 | Kronk | cool plan thos :) |
| 12:10.42 | Kronk | Video's for all us on the "edge" of the universe ;) |
| 12:10.48 | gi-el | what's the latest recommended u-boot? |
| 12:11.04 | slytherin | abraxa_: is there any chance that bochs can be made to work as openmoko simulator? |
| 12:11.09 | cb22 | s/edge/edje/ :) |
| 12:11.18 | abraxa_ | slytherin: I thought bochs only emulates x86 |
| 12:11.24 | rwhitby | slytherin: it's all 1's and 0's, so yes. |
| 12:11.26 | thos | Kronk, not likely! |
| 12:11.30 | zedstar_ | im planning on taking my Neo to this 48hr mobile event tomorrow in london but i fear no other Neo's will be there for mine to play with |
| 12:11.33 | thos | Kronk, it looks exactly the same as gta01 |
| 12:11.44 | Kronk | I know it looks the same ;) |
| 12:11.54 | thos | so a video won't be that interesting ;-) |
| 12:11.55 | Kronk | Just wouldn't hurt to hear and see wot's said on it :) |
| 12:12.03 | slytherin | abraxa_: ahh, forgot that part |
| 12:12.05 | thos | i'm not saying anything about it! |
| 12:12.05 | Kronk | or about it anyway ! |
| 12:12.06 | cb22 | its black |
| 12:12.10 | Kronk | lol |
| 12:12.23 | Kronk | "Goes fast" in black right ? |
| 12:12.57 | zedstar_ | has some LED's that light up tho? |
| 12:13.06 | Kronk | sweet ! |
| 12:13.12 | Kronk | fires up the Neo "bling" ;) |
| 12:13.15 | DPThought | qemu has a mode where it does not simulate hardware but only the processor and the kernel interface. This runs really fast, but you can't run special kernels. The more basic stuff should run in this mode. |
| 12:13.22 | thos | yeah, LEDs behind the buttons |
| 12:13.23 | DPThought | never tried it though |
| 12:13.47 | zedstar_ | ah that is more than enough excitement then :) |
| 12:14.39 | thos | zedstar_, yeah but there's no driver for them yet |
| 12:14.43 | thos | afaik |
| 12:14.45 | thos | I will check |
| 12:15.50 | zedstar_ | ah |
| 12:16.47 | zedstar_ | is kinda kewl to know u got email when the screen is off from an LED at least |
| 12:18.01 | Zmx | email/sms/call |
| 12:21.05 | SpeedEvil | wishes LEDs behind the display were a possible. |
| 12:21.08 | cb22 | thos: can/ do the leds stay on in suspend? |
| 12:21.22 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: yes - assuming it's a similar design of PMU |
| 12:21.48 | SpeedEvil | cb22: the PMU can be condfigured to have the LED on - or blinking in a specified pattern. |
| 12:22.10 | cb22 | yay :) |
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| 12:26.00 | thos | zedstar_, I'm still hoping I can actually see the LEDs through these new buttons |
| 12:26.20 | thos | zedstar_, the previous prototype the buttons weren't transparent enough to actually see anything ;-) |
| 12:27.03 | thos | they're tri colour though, which is cool |
| 12:27.12 | thos | you can poke random registers in uboot to get the to change colours |
| 12:27.21 | thos | just wait for moko-disco! |
| 12:27.22 | Sonicadvance | lol |
| 12:27.23 | zedstar_ | thos: ooooh cool |
| 12:27.33 | SpeedEvil | I wish that it'd been possible to do backlight that way. |
| 12:27.36 | zedstar_ | mini traffic lights |
| 12:27.44 | SpeedEvil | 1/16th of the display, seperately backlit. |
| 12:29.02 | zedstar_ | the nokia n810 LED is nice i think |
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| 12:35.02 | SpeedEvil | (And displaying of course) |
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| 13:11.22 | CIA-18 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r135 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (27 files in 2 dirs): gsmd2: More refactoring |
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| 13:20.19 | EmKayDK | So... I'm kinda new to this channel.. Doesn't anybody have any inside knowledge about the Freerunner that I couldn't have read in the wiki? :P |
| 13:20.40 | anrp | probably not |
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| 13:20.51 | anrp | well, actually, sure, some people here have inside information |
| 13:20.54 | anrp | no sharing, though D: |
| 13:22.11 | EmKayDK | Dammit :D |
| 13:22.55 | EmKayDK | Do anybody have a qualified guess as to when it will be available to the mass public then? :P |
| 13:23.48 | Kronk | Did u read the topic of this channel ? ;) |
| 13:24.07 | Kronk | Out of interest anyone using tango gps on thier Neo atm ? |
| 13:26.20 | EmKayDK | Sure.. But maybe someone knew even more.. :P |
| 13:26.45 | EmKayDK | I'm just so excited to get my hands on one.. That's all :) |
| 13:26.50 | anrp | :\ |
| 13:26.53 | EmKayDK | Can't wait :P |
| 13:27.01 | ScaredyCat | anrp: if they shared it, it'd be outside information ;( |
| 13:27.04 | anrp | don't hang out here, you might lose some of your enthusiasm :( |
| 13:27.05 | ScaredyCat | ;) even |
| 13:27.31 | EmKayDK | anrp: Really? Why? :S |
| 13:27.38 | Kronk | lol |
| 13:28.26 | summatusmentis8 | EmKayDK: have you read through the mailing lists? |
| 13:32.22 | EmKayDK | summatusmentis: Well, I read the community updates. And I think I hav signed up for something a while ago.. Haven't received anything though |
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| 13:34.46 | summatusmentis8 | EmKayDK: ok, then you're probably on par w/ the rest of us :) |
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| 13:37.25 | EmKayDK | summatusmentis: Hmm.. Ok.. |
| 13:38.14 | EmKayDK | Well.. Not much to do but wait anyway :) |
| 13:39.24 | Kronk | Patience Grasshopper ;) |
| 13:46.38 | thos | right |
| 13:46.41 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4305 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 13:46.41 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 2008-04-03 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 13:46.41 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * src/moko-draw.c: |
| 13:46.42 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: |
| 13:46.44 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer: |
| 13:46.46 | CIA-18 | openmoko: Completely redesign the visual style, with emphasis on simplicity and |
| 13:46.48 | CIA-18 | openmoko: speed. |
| 13:46.48 | thos | there you go folks |
| 13:47.01 | thos | help me by trying it out and noticing bugs :-) |
| 13:49.45 | mwester | goes to sync up and attempt to notice some bugs :P |
| 13:49.56 | Zmx | openMoko is skinable ? |
| 13:50.03 | mwester | themable |
| 13:50.11 | mwester | (is that a word?) |
| 13:50.33 | Zmx | (excuse my poor english, i'm french :p ) |
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| 13:51.07 | Kronk | theme able is sorta ok ;0 |
| 13:51.08 | Tanuva | it is, but dont ask me how to do it... should somehow work using simple GTK themes |
| 13:51.08 | Kronk | ;) |
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| 13:53.57 | thos | oh |
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| 13:54.14 | thos | I should probably post some instructions |
| 13:54.30 | thos | mwester, you need to build moko-gtk-engine package, install it, then switch to "Moko" theme |
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| 14:00.33 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1311 |
| 14:00.35 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1311, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 14:00.36 | cdbot2 | * * scaredycat(AT)automated.it: libssp.so.0 is required for oh-puzzle but is not built... |
| 14:00.37 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1311 |
| 14:01.19 | anrp | stack smashing... |
| 14:01.26 | abraxa_ | Is that a subtle hint, ScaredyCat? ;) |
| 14:01.42 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 14:41.12 | Kronk | goes to bed :) |
| 14:41.13 | Kronk | cya |
| 14:41.16 | thos | woo! |
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| 14:41.20 | thos | I have working LEDs! |
| 14:41.22 | thos | amazing! |
| 14:43.31 | mwester | I have *NO* leds. :( |
| 14:43.51 | thos | aww |
| 14:43.55 | thos | seems to be a bug |
| 14:44.02 | thos | you can't have any more than one on at a time |
| 14:44.03 | mwester | I have a GTA01 :( |
| 14:44.22 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you have 3. |
| 14:44.42 | mwester | I has a backlight. |
| 14:45.20 | mwester | I have two green ones on my debug board,though. |
| 14:48.27 | ScaredyCat | has an rgb blob! |
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| 14:49.07 | SpeedEvil | I have a 1W white LED on my neo. |
| 14:49.16 | summatusmentis | well, crap |
| 14:49.18 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately only in the most literal and uninteresting sense. |
| 14:49.37 | SpeedEvil | As in I've got it ready for soldering into a flashlight to upgrade it. |
| 14:49.45 | summatusmentis | I re-did my OM dir, because I didn't have all the correct packages installed, and forgot to turn off locale generation |
| 14:50.08 | summatusmentis | so I'm about a third of the way through the build, and then I remembered that |
| 14:50.16 | mwester | One has to wonder what it would have required to have placed a single LED behind the AUX button on the GTA01 -- such a useful little thing... |
| 14:51.19 | SpeedEvil | mwester: someone to specify it |
| 14:52.07 | summatusmentis | this is way too much work for me to play w/ the interface of the neo :) |
| 14:53.14 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: so ctrl c it and then update your config, then start it again... |
| 14:53.24 | ScaredyCat | it'll only rebuild hwhat is hasn't done so far |
| 14:53.33 | summatusmentis | reallY? |
| 14:53.37 | ScaredyCat | yes |
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| 14:54.17 | ScaredyCat | it doesn't start from the beginning unless it has to |
| 14:55.01 | mwester | And it's very often correct in it's determination of what needs to be redone, if anything. |
| 14:55.22 | ScaredyCat | it has magic pixies inside |
| 14:55.25 | mwester | (actually, bitbake is always correct; the issue is if humans have properly specified all the dependencies) |
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| 14:56.38 | summatusmentis | hmm, I feel like I tried that last time, and it re-built everything |
| 14:57.05 | summatusmentis | but I'm probably on something |
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| 14:59.39 | mwester | It will re-read and recalculate all dependencies -- that's the spinner with the counter up to 5000+ -- but then it will go on with the revised dependency/version information, compute what is done, and begin working on what still needs to be done. |
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| 15:01.56 | ScaredyCat | it == magic pixies |
| 15:02.22 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 15:03.59 | cb22 | summatusmentis: don't lol. magic pixies are used for lots of things in computers |
| 15:04.10 | cb22 | like how did you think python became so cool? |
| 15:04.12 | Stephmw | is using one right now |
| 15:04.44 | cb22 | *ahem* |
| 15:05.34 | cb22 | zomg magic pixie abuse |
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| 15:14.40 | Stephmw | bwahahahaha, UK .gov and wannabes clutching at open source straws... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/conservative_open_source/ |
| 15:14.53 | Stephmw | cb22: it's not abuse if the pixie asks for more |
| 15:16.13 | cb22 | Stephmw: yeah, but since the pixie is drunk... |
| 15:16.40 | SpeedEvil | Is it over the age of pixie consent though? |
| 15:16.44 | Stephmw | cb22: at least it's not underage |
| 15:17.14 | cb22 | Stephmw: just cause it said it was overage... |
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| 15:18.44 | Stephmw | cb22: I even have a signed model release! |
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| 15:32.33 | jadams_ | how would I pipe wget to less? |
| 15:32.42 | SpeedEvil | wget -O - or something |
| 15:32.46 | anrp | you mean the file, or the output? |
| 15:32.49 | SpeedEvil | what are you trying to do? |
| 15:32.51 | cb22 | wget -O - http://myurl | less ? |
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| 15:33.12 | cb22 | if you want the output (ie, progress) you will need to pipe stderr |
| 15:35.01 | wurp2 | Has anyone looked into alternate screen lock programs? |
| 15:35.27 | wurp2 | I'm already getting scratches in the spot where the OM logo starts on a locked screen |
| 15:35.38 | SpeedEvil | screen protectors |
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| 15:36.00 | wurp2 | I agree that I should use a screen protector too |
| 15:36.06 | Stephmw | wurp2: randomise the location of that logo :D |
| 15:36.13 | wurp2 | But it seems like it would be an easy problem to mitigate with software |
| 15:36.14 | wurp2 | yeah |
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| 15:37.05 | wurp2 | Stephmw: The issue is that making that change is trivial |
| 15:37.19 | wurp2 | Stephmw: Setting up a build environment & getting the change into the trunk is not |
| 15:37.41 | Stephmw | nods |
| 15:37.42 | wurp2 | I wouldn't have the time to do enough work for it to make sense for me to maintain a build env |
| 15:37.47 | Stephmw | wurp2: it's those pixies again |
| 15:38.02 | wurp2 | I would probably spend 2x as much time maintaining build env as making fixes |
| 15:38.55 | wurp2 | Obviously my magic pixies are inferior |
| 15:39.00 | wurp2 | Because the build never builds for me |
| 15:39.13 | cb22 | wurp2: Stephmw uses underage magic pixies |
| 15:39.19 | cb22 | thats why his are superior |
| 15:39.20 | SpeedEvil | The build has broken for me in the past week. |
| 15:39.29 | SpeedEvil | I even tried a fresh build. |
| 15:39.54 | Stephmw | cb22: mine aren't superior, mine are just on sabbatical |
| 15:40.12 | Stephmw | cb22: I'm taking a loooooong break from building OE/OM |
| 15:40.18 | Stephmw | cb22: too much magic in the system |
| 15:41.45 | zedstar_ | there is a tarballed toolchain if u dont wanna get your hands messy with OE etc |
| 15:44.11 | ScaredyCat | must have well trained magic pixies... |
| 15:45.26 | ScaredyCat | you could try : make more-magic-pixies |
| 15:46.07 | anrp | magic.. |
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| 15:56.04 | wurp2 | zedstar_: Is that aimed at me or someone else, or just a comment in general? |
| 15:56.39 | wurp2 | It seems to me that a tarballed toolchain wouldn't be that helpful for making changes to core apps, but maybe I'm just wrong on that. |
| 15:58.09 | zedstar_ | wurp2: well not specifically at u......but it is another option for those struggling with OE if they wanna write some code |
| 15:59.49 | zedstar_ | wurp2: they are just tools.....gcc etc u can build what u like with them.....getting what u make into OM's images is something else |
| 16:00.27 | gambler | the biggest stumbling block is compiling the damn thing...ive already did it and given up like 3 times |
| 16:00.38 | gambler | i dont think my computer has the cajones |
| 16:00.58 | gambler | someone should make an openmoko VM |
| 16:01.09 | wurp2 | Compiling doesn't work on Ubuntu 7.10 in my experience |
| 16:01.20 | wurp2 | There is a tool version problem, I think in the assembler somewhere |
| 16:01.40 | gambler | wurp2: ive had problems on fedora...ive sorted them out and then had new problems |
| 16:01.44 | wurp2 | There's an obscure flag that the Ubuntu version doesn't understand; I never found a correct version to install. |
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| 16:02.21 | zedstar_ | wurp2 is this the tools built from mokomakefile or the tarballed toolchain? |
| 16:02.30 | mwester | has used fedora 5, 6, 7, & 8 (and CentOS 5.1) for OE without issues other than Qemu for years now. |
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| 16:03.43 | gambler | mwester: ill pay you $100 if u build an openmoko VM on fedora 8 for me and give me a link |
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| 16:03.50 | wurp2 | zedstar_: mokomakefile |
| 16:04.10 | anrp | ... |
| 16:04.15 | anrp | fedora D: |
| 16:05.43 | ScaredyCat | offers mwester a bag of jelly babies not to |
| 16:06.10 | thos | woo my accellerometers work |
| 16:06.23 | thos | tries mickey's xrandr hack |
| 16:06.27 | zedstar_ | wurp2: ive been using the tools built via mokomakefile on ubuntu for some time |
| 16:06.53 | zedstar_ | wurp2: i dont tend to update though very often to avoid breaking things |
| 16:07.25 | gambler | ScaredyCat, why r u bein like that |
| 16:07.36 | ScaredyCat | is evil |
| 16:07.42 | ScaredyCat | must be stopped |
| 16:08.32 | jadams_ | SpeedEvil, cb22: both answers were what I wanted, thanks. I'd already found it, but kudos anyway |
| 16:09.07 | zedstar_ | thos: cool now can u implement the scream sound affect when dropped :) |
| 16:09.08 | gambler | i just transferred into my qemu-neo1973 directory |
| 16:09.12 | wurp2 | zedstar_: What version of ubuntu? |
| 16:09.13 | gambler | typing make says: |
| 16:09.14 | gambler | make: *** No rule to make target `/home/build/qemu-neo1973/hw/irq.c', needed by `irq.o'. Stop. |
| 16:09.22 | zedstar_ | wurp: 7.10 |
| 16:09.30 | wurp2 | dammit |
| 16:09.32 | zedstar_ | that is gutsy? |
| 16:09.41 | thos | zedstar_, haha |
| 16:09.42 | wurp2 | I wish I knew what was wrong w/mine |
| 16:12.44 | gambler | will all openmokos come in the same form factor or will some come with other packaging (eg. with buttons?) |
| 16:13.05 | gambler | once the new version comes out |
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| 16:14.54 | cb22 | ScaredyCat eats his kittens |
| 16:15.49 | zedstar_ | gambler: i hope not.......me would like a keyboard |
| 16:15.55 | anrp | hmm..interrupts are overrated |
| 16:15.57 | anrp | busy wait |
| 16:16.55 | gambler | i would prefer a version of openmoko with 4 arrow buttons and a middle push button. i like the tactile feedback of keys over touchscreens |
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| 16:17.40 | thos | gambler, wouldn't we all |
| 16:18.48 | ScaredyCat | .... have helio gone titsup.com ? |
| 16:18.51 | gambler | thos: it seems like a very minor engineering challenge. basically new packaging and a little thing off the usb |
| 16:19.04 | thos | gambler, but very expensive |
| 16:19.16 | gambler | thos: why i dont understand |
| 16:19.18 | thos | gambler, fabrication tooling is *very* expensive |
| 16:19.48 | gambler | for injection moulded plastic cases? not really |
| 16:19.55 | gambler | i know a bit about that |
| 16:20.23 | gambler | i dont even think u need to change the board do you |
| 16:20.27 | thos | gambler, you'd have to ask someone who knows the fabrication process |
| 16:20.27 | ScaredyCat | http://www.helio.com/page?p=device_gallery_ocean |
| 16:20.33 | ScaredyCat | like that please |
| 16:20.36 | thos | gambler, the board is not expensive |
| 16:20.48 | thos | gambler, all I know is changing the tooling is expensive |
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| 16:22.20 | zedstar_ | scaredycat: yeh i like that design |
| 16:22.21 | jadams_ | someone needs to take a helio apart and put the moko in it |
| 16:22.28 | gambler | thos: my family runs a big plastic injection moulded company...pretty sure its not too expensive. |
| 16:22.49 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4306 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog autogen.sh): |
| 16:22.50 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 2008-04-03 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:22.50 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * autogen.sh: Allow autotools 1.10 |
| 16:22.59 | thos | gambler, I don't think it's the same process |
| 16:23.11 | thos | gambler, but by all means, take the designs and make something new :-) |
| 16:23.26 | zedstar_ | has that got 2 slide out keypads? |
| 16:23.27 | thos | they're available on openmoko.com |
| 16:24.10 | ScaredyCat | zedstar_ yes |
| 16:24.46 | zedstar_ | nobbing 2 birds with 1 johnny....i like it |
| 16:25.15 | ScaredyCat | yeah... it looks good, plus has some extra buttons on the sides |
| 16:25.43 | zedstar_ | they go for the sidekick market helio...."yoofs" |
| 16:26.13 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 16:26.39 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I don't want their s/w I have their h/w |
| 16:26.48 | ScaredyCat | s/have/want/ |
| 16:27.14 | zedstar_ | yeh i hope openmoko do something along these lines |
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| 16:28.39 | thomasg_ | ink spinnt -.- |
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| 16:31.52 | zedstar_ | orange in europe are supposed to be releasing some samsung ALP based device this summer......curious to see what that is |
| 16:33.15 | gambler | ALP? |
| 16:34.07 | zedstar_ | Access Linux Platform.....some Linux based thing that will run legacy Palm OS apps as well |
| 16:35.18 | zedstar_ | is gtk+ based at least |
| 16:37.28 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4307 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:37.28 | CIA-18 | openmoko: 2008-04-03 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:37.28 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/matchbox/closebutton.xpm: |
| 16:37.28 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/matchbox/menubutton.xpm: |
| 16:37.29 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/matchbox/theme.desktop: |
| 16:37.29 | anrp | palm os and gtk? |
| 16:37.31 | CIA-18 | openmoko: * data/matchbox/theme.xml: |
| 16:37.35 | CIA-18 | openmoko: Import OpenMoko matchbox theme and remove use of gradients |
| 16:38.44 | anrp | no gradients? D: |
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| 16:40.41 | zedstar_ | yeh im not overly excited about the palm bit |
| 16:42.16 | thos | anrp, gradients suck |
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| 16:43.13 | zedstar_ | the screen shots of the menus arent exactly revolutionary |
| 16:43.47 | Vegar | are there screenshots? |
| 16:44.11 | zedstar_ | http://alp.access-company.com/ux/index.html |
| 16:44.13 | zedstar_ | yeh |
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| 16:44.48 | Vegar | meh |
| 16:45.05 | Vegar | I meant of thos' changes |
| 16:45.10 | zedstar_ | lol |
| 16:45.50 | zedstar_ | that's a couple of minutes browsing of your life u will never get back then |
| 16:46.03 | Vegar | hehe |
| 16:46.16 | Vegar | it were a couple of interesting minutes |
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| 16:48.38 | Vegar | they were* |
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| 16:50.08 | thos | Vegar, there are some screenshots on my blog |
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| 16:51.37 | Vegar | not bad |
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| 16:56.04 | cb22 | is there any way to stop a debug board from flashing a neo? |
| 16:56.12 | SpeedEvil | sledgehammer. |
| 16:56.25 | anrp | or blowtorch |
| 16:56.30 | anrp | circular saw, mill, |
| 16:56.31 | anrp | etc |
| 16:56.36 | SpeedEvil | A rabid duck. |
| 16:56.46 | cb22 | ... if you have to reset to that, couldnt you just take the connector off :) |
| 16:56.49 | cb22 | resort* |
| 16:57.01 | SpeedEvil | Or blob epoxy over it |
| 16:57.22 | cb22 | but thats probably overkill for theif protection |
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| 16:57.31 | mwester | epoxy is probably the safest solution. |
| 16:57.32 | anrp | would tend to agree |
| 16:57.40 | cb22 | would it be possible to put a kernel in nor? |
| 16:57.52 | anrp | sure, why not? |
| 16:58.04 | raster | puts his pr0n in nor |
| 16:58.08 | anrp | nor is the usual kind of flash for that anyway, since its the older kind |
| 16:58.21 | cb22 | then foo something up so it cannot be flashed, even with a debug board? |
| 16:58.35 | anrp | well the only real solution for that is mask rom |
| 16:58.44 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 16:58.51 | SpeedEvil | You can make it practically impossible. |
| 16:58.59 | anrp | but you can't make it actually impossible |
| 16:59.03 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 16:59.23 | cb22 | i suppose they could always desolder the flash chips |
| 16:59.31 | SpeedEvil | But if they have to change the CPU, or remove the soldered down can over the CPU to probe JTAG, ... |
| 16:59.36 | anrp | if you're willing to go that far, you're effectively rebuilding the device |
| 16:59.41 | cb22 | yeah |
| 17:00.00 | cb22 | and besides, 99% of theives wont know that a neo is special |
| 17:00.09 | cb22 | they will just be like 'zomg i stole fone lulz!' |
| 17:00.15 | anrp | i think they would, actually |
| 17:00.23 | anrp | i.e. "this phone looks terrible, i bet i can get $50 for it" |
| 17:00.27 | raster | 99% of theives who will stal a phone are dumb n00bz |
| 17:00.34 | SpeedEvil | The 'right' solution would be a variant of the SoC programming that supported security in the boot ROM. |
| 17:00.35 | raster | acruallt 99.9999% moe likely |
| 17:00.36 | raster | :) |
| 17:00.45 | cb22 | not realizing that their exact coords are being uploaded to a server as they speek |
| 17:00.45 | raster | actually |
| 17:00.58 | cb22 | and various black helicopters are coming after them |
| 17:01.05 | cb22 | and a russian submarine too. |
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| 17:01.20 | cb22 | raster: i agree, why steal one phone, when you can rob the whole factory! mwahahahahahaha |
| 17:01.45 | cb22 | although in that case, there would probably be some community viglantisim going on |
| 17:02.10 | cb22 | anrp: heh |
| 17:03.53 | anrp | what would anyone do with 1000 neos? |
| 17:04.02 | Qwell | beowulf cluster |
| 17:04.05 | anrp | and i don't need to hear about some legendary folkhero |
| 17:04.05 | cb22 | damn |
| 17:04.08 | Qwell | that's all I'm sayin' |
| 17:04.09 | cb22 | beat me to it :( |
| 17:04.09 | anrp | ...christ, seconds too late |
| 17:04.10 | anrp | ! |
| 17:04.16 | SpeedEvil | anrp: 68" screen? |
| 17:04.28 | anrp | borders would be maddening |
| 17:04.32 | anrp | but i guess you could do that |
| 17:04.41 | cb22 | yeah, and the 3d resolution would suck |
| 17:04.50 | raster | cb22: the smart theives are busy heisting entire crates from the factory - not nicking 1 phone at a time from us low-life scum :) |
| 17:04.52 | SpeedEvil | anrp: cook a chicken with the radios/ |
| 17:05.19 | anrp | or just skip the inefficiency of radio transmission and use the chemical oxidation of the lithium battery directly |
| 17:05.24 | SpeedEvil | anrp: map a small country really quickly. |
| 17:05.28 | anrp | i.e. burn the damn thing |
| 17:05.44 | abraxa_ | 1000 Neos could give a nice blast when fed the same sound |
| 17:05.52 | SpeedEvil | phased array |
| 17:06.02 | anrp | mmm a phased array would be neat |
| 17:06.03 | abraxa_ | Ultra-sonic weapon.. |
| 17:06.09 | anrp | although you'd need some form of synchronization |
| 17:06.25 | cb22 | wifi? |
| 17:06.45 | raster | i uspect 1000 neos would be pretty inefficient fr compute power / cubic meter of space :) |
| 17:07.00 | anrp | if you removed the screen, case and battery, i'm not so sure |
| 17:07.07 | anrp | probably, yeah, but its hard to say |
| 17:07.26 | anrp | since you don't need a lot of things for a cluster |
| 17:07.28 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 17:07.54 | SpeedEvil | The Neo CPU is what - 1/50th that of a desktop processor. |
| 17:08.24 | anrp | yes, but the volume of a desktop cpu is comparable to the entire system board of the neo |
| 17:08.30 | anrp | whereas a desktop needs a pile of support |
| 17:08.45 | SpeedEvil | not really - proportionaly. |
| 17:08.54 | SpeedEvil | you can get very small cases with desktop CPUs |
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| 17:10.31 | abraxa_ | We're too intelligent... while we still discuss the possibilities of having 1000 stolen Neos, other people are actually *doing* it and selling them for big $$$. |
| 17:12.50 | anrp | agrees with the first half of that statement |
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| 17:16.05 | SpeedEvil | checks ebay. |
| 17:16.13 | SpeedEvil | finds no neos |
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| 17:19.11 | anrp | an untapped market! |
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| 17:28.49 | cb22 | makes a mental note, if 1000 freerunners appear on ebay tomorrow, go looking for abraxa_ |
| 17:29.35 | abraxa_ | whistles |
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| 18:18.05 | ar0x | SpeedEvil: http://cgi.ebay.fr/FIC-OpenMoko-Neo1973-Linux-Smartphone-Developer-Dream_W0QQitemZ110239257606QQihZ001QQcategoryZ22344QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122 |
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| 18:19.30 | ewon | bank wire transfer only |
| 18:19.33 | ewon | dodgy |
| 18:21.31 | Stephmw | pricy too, wire transfers cost money here |
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| 18:23.37 | cb22 | ~lart freerunner's release date |
| 18:23.37 | apt | resizes freerunner's release date's terminal to 40x24 |
| 18:25.42 | wurp2|working | cb22: Was there some update to the FR release date? |
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| 18:26.28 | ewon | as much as it pains me |
| 18:26.35 | ewon | I've decided against buying a freerunner |
| 18:26.44 | cb22 | wurp2|working: nope |
| 18:26.44 | ewon | as I really need a device with a display readable in sunlight |
| 18:26.47 | cb22 | thats why |
| 18:26.58 | ewon | ;_; |
| 18:27.44 | wurp2|working | ewon: :-( |
| 18:27.48 | cb22 | stupid sun |
| 18:27.58 | wurp2|working | Just always wear a hoodie |
| 18:28.04 | cb22 | the screen puts out 200NIT min according to the wiki |
| 18:28.05 | abraxa_ | ewon: Did you ever see the display in person? |
| 18:28.09 | ewon | abraxa_: ja |
| 18:28.11 | wurp2|working | with a drawstring, and a really deep hood |
| 18:28.41 | ewon | that was a gta01 though |
| 18:28.47 | abraxa_ | ewon: Ah okay. Just asking cause I personally don't see a problem with that :) |
| 18:29.02 | ewon | abraxa_: for a coder, I spent quite a lot of time outdoors :) |
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| 18:30.35 | abraxa_ | ewon: Shame on you! You're ruining our hard-earned image as x-ray-tanned chick magnets! |
| 18:33.41 | ScaredyCat | goes to burn some chicken :/ |
| 18:34.00 | cb22 | goes to burn some cats : |
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| 18:50.02 | abraxa_ | http://www.helio.com/page?p=devices_ocean_static - A neo like that and we'd have customers up the whazoo |
| 18:50.59 | quicksand | wurp2|working: Alternate screenlock: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock |
| 18:51.23 | quicksand | (albeit in slow pre-alpha python proof-of-concept form, and not integrated into neod right now) |
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| 19:24.15 | wurp2|working | quicksand: Thanks |
| 19:24.33 | wurp2|working | But I'm really looking for something I can replace neod with |
| 19:24.56 | wurp2|working | Ooo, I like it! |
| 19:25.28 | wurp2|working | Is anyone else having problems with the 3/27 release running very slowly after it's been up for hours? |
| 19:25.45 | wurp2|working | Restarting X seems to solve the problem |
| 19:25.57 | wurp2|working | It looks like a resource leak, most likely memory |
| 19:26.03 | dcordes | thos, did you find some time to get your hands on qvga? |
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| 19:30.07 | wurp2|working | quicksand: So you got your math degree, then went into IP law? |
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| 19:30.50 | quicksand | wurp2|working: The modular replacement for neod (odeviced, or whatever it's called) hopefully will be able to use something like it. Recent events (baby born in Feb.) have kept me from further development, but hopefully I'll dive back in. |
| 19:31.04 | quicksand | wurp2|working: Yes, exactly. |
| 19:31.11 | wurp2|working | quicksand: I know about that stuff - 3 kids here |
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| 19:31.39 | quicksand | The baby screams louder than the Neo, I'm afraid. Wife too. ;-) |
| 19:32.00 | summatusmenti1 | quicksand: use something like what? |
| 19:32.12 | wurp2|working | I did something similar: double BS Phys/Math, but I do dev as my day job. (That's two, two! two!! times the BS!) |
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| 19:32.40 | quicksand | summatusmenti1: alternative screen locker, like my prototype @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Quicksand#zedlock |
| 19:32.53 | wurp2|working | Did you get a law degree too? I thought that was required to practice... |
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| 19:33.35 | quicksand | Heh. My undergrad concentration was in Physics. And yes, I got a JD following the BS. I'll let you decide which is more "BS." |
| 19:33.52 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: which can you end the world with fastest? |
| 19:34.24 | summatusmenti1 | quicksand: why that over the single line that is current? |
| 19:34.40 | quicksand | Despite the Bush administration's best efforts vis-a-vis dismantling our legal system, the world has not yet ended. Ergo, the physics. |
| 19:35.15 | quicksand | summatusmenti1: For one thing, I coded that up before the straight-line widget appeared. |
| 19:35.16 | Stephmw | for those in the UK... C4 at 9pm, 'The Human Spider' |
| 19:35.26 | summatusmenti1 | oh, ok |
| 19:35.33 | SpeedEvil | sterna: You? |
| 19:35.36 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: :) |
| 19:35.43 | quicksand | Also, my intention is to make it rotationally (and somewhat positionally) invariant, so you can do it without looking at the screen. |
| 19:35.44 | kdean06 | Anyone around here flash uBoot images from buildhost? |
| 19:36.04 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: have you looked at xstroke? |
| 19:36.13 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: for a simple somewhat invariant decoder |
| 19:36.33 | wurp2|working | summatusmenti1:by "the single line that is current", do you mean the current neod screen unlocker? |
| 19:36.34 | kdean06 | The version of uBoot I'm running is old (January ish) and I no longer have a link to the file so that others can get it. I'd like to update to something more current, but I don't have a debug board so I'd like to ensure it's a "good" one first. |
| 19:36.37 | sterna | SpeedEvil: yes? |
| 19:36.47 | wurp2|working | kdean06: I have a good uboot image |
| 19:36.50 | wurp2|working | From about 3 weeks ago |
| 19:36.53 | SpeedEvil | sterna: sorry - too many people beginning with ste - I got confused. |
| 19:36.55 | summatusmenti1 | wurp2|working: yeah, the single drag down line that is currently used for unlocking |
| 19:37.24 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 19:37.27 | wurp2|working | summatusmenti1: My reason to want another unlocker is that the current one makes me keep tapping in the same place over & over |
| 19:37.44 | wurp2|working | And it's starting to scuff my screen |
| 19:37.50 | summatusmenti1 | oh really? doesn't register? |
| 19:37.56 | sterna | i used to be idioterna, until freenode decided to make nicknames bearing the word "idiot" illegal |
| 19:37.58 | wurp2|working | Oh, it works fine |
| 19:38.09 | wurp2|working | But every time I unlock I have to tap & drag from the same place |
| 19:38.09 | SpeedEvil | Anyone any idea why my images built over teh last week or so do not result in working phones when flashed? |
| 19:38.11 | quicksand | SpeedEvil: Yeah, but for my purposes I didn't need that much. Maybe in a subsequent version. |
| 19:38.14 | summatusmenti1 | oh, that makes sense |
| 19:38.20 | wurp2|working | and that spot on the touchscreen is starting to wear |
| 19:38.32 | summatusmenti1 | I'm hoping the unlocker will be able to use finger touch, instead of stylus |
| 19:38.45 | wurp2|working | It kind of does work |
| 19:38.50 | wurp2|working | but then I smear the screen :-) |
| 19:38.57 | summatusmenti1 | lol |
| 19:39.00 | quicksand | kdean06: I built uboot yesterday and flashed it -- seems fine & nothing exploded. I can't vouch for the buildhost images though. |
| 19:39.07 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 19:39.11 | summatusmenti1 | is the screen set down from the rest of the face of the device? |
| 19:39.20 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: somewhat, yes |
| 19:39.21 | kdean06 | I'll tempt fate here... I'll flash today's and see what happens. :P |
| 19:39.29 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil is right that I need a screen condom, but I'd also like to distribute the wear |
| 19:39.36 | wurp2|working | kdean06: Ouch! |
| 19:39.48 | wurp2|working | You know they aren't always good... |
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| 19:39.58 | summatusmenti1 | SpeedEvil: what do you mean somewhat? |
| 19:40.07 | wurp2|working | Oh, nm |
| 19:40.13 | wurp2|working | I see that quicksand says it worked |
| 19:40.51 | quicksand | wurp2|working: YMMV. My previous uboot was from May'07, and I really wanted to do some additional things like boot from SD, so I took the risk. |
| 19:41.14 | quicksand | Or maybe it was August. In either case, OLD. |
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| 19:41.51 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: the apps seem to work - but the decor is broken. For example, the battery/GSM/... icons are all over to the left. |
| 19:42.14 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: the dialer starts off in the top-left, with overlap from the home screen showing down the bottom and right. |
| 19:42.28 | quicksand | summatusmenti1: I'd say the screen is about 2mm recessed. |
| 19:42.31 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: and the keyboard is just broken, flashing on and off. |
| 19:42.46 | summatusmenti1 | quicksand: so there will be grime that sits in the corners? |
| 19:42.48 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: naw... but it's also a crazy frenchman |
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| 19:43.57 | quicksand | summatusmenti1: Oh, yes. And sometimes it's hard to reach corners with a stylus unless it's exactly perpendicular to the screen. |
| 19:44.12 | summatusmenti1 | quicksand: bummer |
| 19:44.13 | SpeedEvil | I make the setback about 2.8mm |
| 19:44.29 | SpeedEvil | With a 45 degree corner beginning after the first 1.5mm or so. |
| 19:44.32 | quicksand | You can get most of the grime out, though, and there's very little gap between the screen and the case, so you can scrape stuff out. |
| 19:44.37 | SpeedEvil | has a verneir caliper! |
| 19:44.53 | SpeedEvil | vernier even. |
| 19:45.04 | quicksand | SpeedEvil: sounds about right. |
| 19:45.25 | SpeedEvil | Though when I picked it up I hoped it was a digital one. But the battery is flat again. |
| 19:45.55 | quicksand | Heh. Analog mode FTW. |
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| 19:46.40 | kdean06 | HRm... |
| 19:46.43 | kdean06 | So far so good. :P |
| 19:48.45 | anrp | i dunno, digital is far less thinking to use |
| 19:48.50 | anrp | but it does need batteries |
| 19:54.56 | SpeedEvil | also more accurate |
| 19:55.24 | SpeedEvil | 2.61mm till it touches. |
| 19:55.40 | SpeedEvil | Though if that's actually useful is debatable. |
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| 20:26.13 | ajbrun | is/will something like this be developed for the openmoko OS browser system? |
| 20:26.14 | ajbrun | http://gizmodo.com/374937/video-samsung-instinct-lets-you-browse-web-pages-with-tilt-navigation-plus-its-under-300 |
| 20:26.24 | SpeedEvil | presumably. |
| 20:26.30 | ajbrun | although i'm assuming something like this will be ofc |
| 20:26.35 | SpeedEvil | ofc? |
| 20:26.53 | ajbrun | of course |
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| 20:27.34 | anrp | detects an OTS acrynym |
| 20:27.45 | ajbrun | what's ots? |
| 20:27.51 | anrp | on-the-spot ;o |
| 20:28.01 | ajbrun | nope |
| 20:28.06 | ajbrun | i've seen others use it |
| 20:28.11 | ajbrun | googles |
| 20:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Oregano Tuna Sandwitch? |
| 20:29.20 | ajbrun | http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OFC |
| 20:30.10 | wibbit | wants the blasted phone to be released |
| 20:31.14 | rahul_delight | Hi! I submitted my application for GSoC project reagarding Intelligent SMS for mobile phones few days back and have still not received any comments from a mentor. If any mentor is available here and interested in SMS based application for mobiles, please review my application and comment. |
| 20:31.23 | ajbrun | too |
| 20:31.43 | ajbrun | someone in the OM list said they'd find more from michael today i think? |
| 20:32.06 | SpeedEvil | rahul_delight: I'm unsure when the deadline is. |
| 20:32.34 | abraxa_ | rahul_delight: No comments might also mean "everything is okay". |
| 20:32.38 | rahul_delight | the deadline is till monday 7 april |
| 20:33.05 | rahul_delight | abraxa_: But i wanted to discuss my application and improve upon it |
| 20:33.29 | rahul_delight | :) |
| 20:34.13 | rahul_delight | Do I need to add my idea or any information about my idea/application on the openmoko gsoc page also? |
| 20:34.18 | abraxa_ | Well, mickey is currently being snowed in... |
| 20:34.41 | abraxa_ | No, only the google SoC web app |
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| 20:43.12 | pleaseandthankyo | have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police helps them. |
| 20:43.46 | anrp | that's nice, but how does that relate to openmoko? |
| 20:44.08 | SpeedEvil | he's a spammer |
| 20:44.12 | josch | and where is the link to where i can buy your product? :P |
| 20:44.40 | josch | lol |
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| 20:49.47 | macdonalder | "your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter" |
| 20:49.48 | wurp2|working | Hmm, Scientology spammers? |
| 20:49.51 | quicksand | josch: question regarding your Debian tarball: |
| 20:50.06 | josch | quicksand, jop |
| 20:50.24 | quicksand | I'm getting a "Warning: unable to open an initial console" then it goes no further. |
| 20:50.24 | thos | dcordes, :-( |
| 20:50.37 | quicksand | This comes right after the card comes online. |
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| 20:50.53 | thos | dcordes, you have to try and fix the matchbox theme |
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| 20:51.01 | thos | dcordes, I don't know why it is broken |
| 20:51.24 | josch | quicksand, whoo this is bad :-( |
| 20:51.31 | josch | never had this error |
| 20:51.42 | josch | quicksand, does the kernel say this? |
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| 20:51.53 | josch | when exactly does this message come up? |
| 20:52.50 | anrp | basically means that it can't find /dev/console |
| 20:52.59 | anrp | so the rootfs is messed up, or udev isn't initializing it right |
| 20:53.12 | anrp | (if it uses udev) |
| 20:53.17 | josch | it does |
| 20:53.37 | quicksand | I think it's the kernel, yes -- it comes up right after "Freeing init memory: 128K" |
| 20:54.06 | josch | quicksand, how long do you have this evening? maybe i should just make a fresh rootfs from my current install |
| 20:54.19 | josch | i have to admit that i never tried the tarball my own |
| 20:54.33 | josch | i only tar'd it after successful install |
| 20:54.36 | thos | dcordes, maybe you can file a bug about it |
| 20:54.41 | pleaseandthankyo | do you know me inside out? |
| 20:54.51 | thos | dcordes, I think stefan_schmidt might know how to fix it |
| 20:54.53 | anrp | tar? |
| 20:54.59 | anrp | taring devices can be fun |
| 20:55.05 | anrp | it should work, but.. |
| 20:55.12 | josch | anrp, what would you suggest? |
| 20:55.15 | SpeedEvil | anrp: not as fun as blending them. |
| 20:55.45 | anrp | i use cpio, but it can't deal with large files (4gb) |
| 20:56.23 | anrp | the k-line! |
| 20:56.26 | anrp | that's uncommon |
| 20:56.30 | quicksand | josch: I can try again tonight -- let me try to mknod the console on my system at home (on a Windows machine here at work right now) and try again before you make another tarball. |
| 20:56.44 | anrp | anyway, i've also had issues with tar and symlinks |
| 20:56.53 | ahven | <anrp> that's uncommon << not to me, as I have noticed over here |
| 20:56.54 | anrp | i've never figured it out, since i switched to using cpio |
| 20:57.02 | josch | quicksand, do you have enough time to do the install steps manually? |
| 20:57.09 | anrp | sometimes tar would turn symlinks into 0 byte files |
| 20:57.16 | josch | quicksand, it's just copypasta |
| 20:57.20 | anrp | i couldn't figure out the sometimes |
| 20:57.24 | anrp | copypasta... mmm |
| 20:57.26 | anrp | you must eat it |
| 20:57.42 | josch | its deliecious most of the times |
| 20:57.43 | quicksand | josch: possibly. I'll report back tomorrow. |
| 20:57.47 | quicksand | What's your TZ? |
| 20:57.56 | josch | quicksand, i'd be happy if you succeed! |
| 20:58.04 | anrp | whos tomorrow are we talking about ;) |
| 20:58.04 | josch | quicksand, germany |
| 20:58.12 | josch | TZ are fun ^^ |
| 20:58.25 | quicksand | OK, I'm in San Francisco. So my morning is already your afternoon. |
| 20:58.31 | josch | hehe |
| 20:58.46 | anrp | at least it's not a 12 hour difference |
| 20:58.55 | anrp | makes the calculations simple and the communication impossible |
| 20:58.56 | josch | np I only sleep for 8 hours - the rest of the time I'm available |
| 20:59.50 | josch | i primise i will do a new tar tomorrow, which i will also test myself :-) |
| 20:59.56 | josch | s/primise/promise |
| 20:59.59 | quicksand | anrp: True. I do a lot of business with Europe, and there's usually a little overlap when I come into work. 8/9 hr difference to CET, depending on whether summer time is in effect in either/both locations. |
| 21:00.07 | ajbrun | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 <--- lol |
| 21:00.13 | ajbrun | http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/01/what-happens-when-you-call-microsoft-support-to-remove-linux/ |
| 21:00.17 | anrp | premises himself |
| 21:00.53 | anrp | huh? |
| 21:00.54 | quicksand | might premise himself, but is afraid a logical fallacy might result. |
| 21:01.02 | anrp | i thought the winxp installer allowed you to delete partitions |
| 21:01.36 | josch | ajbrun, looool!! |
| 21:01.54 | ajbrun | :) |
| 21:02.48 | anrp | amusedly notes the self-proclaimed ability of the government to legislate the time |
| 21:04.09 | ajbrun | damn - rick rolled again :( |
| 21:04.18 | ajbrun | half way through the ms/linux vid |
| 21:04.39 | anrp | how unoriginal |
| 21:04.48 | ajbrun | i know - getting old now |
| 21:04.53 | josch | ? |
| 21:05.00 | josch | is the video not good? |
| 21:05.04 | kdean06 | anrp, You a free marketeer? |
| 21:05.06 | josch | currently downloading it |
| 21:05.15 | anrp | depends on the time of day |
| 21:05.16 | anrp | ;) |
| 21:05.22 | ajbrun | you'll see josch |
| 21:05.26 | josch | kk... |
| 21:05.30 | ajbrun | do you know what rick rolling u |
| 21:05.32 | ajbrun | is*# |
| 21:05.34 | wurp2|working | I have yet to be rickrolled |
| 21:05.42 | anrp | its easy not to be |
| 21:05.47 | josch | youtube-dl -t http://www.youtube.com/v/0BIZ0Flr70A |
| 21:05.50 | anrp | just post links in a public irc channel first to check it |
| 21:05.53 | anrp | coughs |
| 21:06.09 | ajbrun | ... |
| 21:06.20 | wurp2|working | hah |
| 21:06.24 | ajbrun | gah - the irony is overpowering :( |
| 21:10.48 | quicksand | josch: FYI, under /dev, only the following exist: core fd full kmem loop0...7 mem null port ptmx ram ram0...16 random stderr stdin stdout tty urandom zero |
| 21:10.58 | anrp | no console D: |
| 21:11.04 | quicksand | exactly. |
| 21:11.15 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.20 | quicksand | Confirmed by booting into OM and mounting the partition |
| 21:11.26 | anrp | it should be, but isn't |
| 21:11.29 | anrp | maybe it can't do it? |
| 21:11.29 | josch | udev fills is dynamically |
| 21:11.44 | anrp | well, udev is post-kernel-init (... i think!) |
| 21:11.50 | anrp | so the critical ones have to exist first |
| 21:12.23 | josch | well I have /dev/console here |
| 21:12.39 | josch | oh nooo! it's rick!! |
| 21:12.42 | anrp | anyway an mknod /dev/console c 5 1; chmod 0600 /dev/console |
| 21:12.44 | anrp | might make it work |
| 21:12.53 | anrp | unsure of the chmod |
| 21:13.50 | quicksand | anrp: was just about to try that . . . back in a few minutes. |
| 21:14.27 | josch | has been rickrolled... -.- |
| 21:14.30 | josch | again... |
| 21:14.37 | anrp | its funny the first time |
| 21:16.06 | SpeedEvil | Rick Astley has recently been giving interviews on the phenomenon. |
| 21:16.07 | zedstar_ | wonder if rick will make any money out of this again |
| 21:16.15 | zedstar_ | ah |
| 21:16.19 | quicksand | mknod -m 660 /dev/console c 5 1 <<< what I'm trying |
| 21:16.20 | zedstar_ | he will |
| 21:16.22 | SpeedEvil | However he was _insanelly_ popular at one time. |
| 21:16.33 | SpeedEvil | Number one in damn near every country in the world. |
| 21:16.43 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: do you think it corrolates with crack usage figures? |
| 21:16.57 | zedstar_ | he used to be a tea boy at the record company or something weird before singing |
| 21:17.38 | quicksand | Tea boy? In charge of teabagging? |
| 21:17.45 | abraxa_ | rofl. |
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| 21:17.55 | anrp | probably not what he had in mind |
| 21:18.00 | zedstar_ | tea bagging now that is a vid i dont wanna see |
| 21:18.39 | josch | quicksand, okay enough moko for me today - i will get back tomorrow and supply you with a fully tested tar archive |
| 21:18.55 | quicksand | josch: Just a sec . . . I'm booting! |
| 21:19.04 | josch | ah kk |
| 21:19.28 | cb22 | poor ScaredyCat, down graded from his nomination for a gta02p0 to a t-shirt :p |
| 21:20.01 | ajbrun | any more news on mass production yet? |
| 21:20.05 | quicksand | Closer, but not quite: now I get "Mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: No such file or directory" followed by "INIT: No inittab file found." |
| 21:20.21 | quicksand | Meh. Will try more later. It did get past the console complaint, at least. |
| 21:20.23 | cb22 | ajbrun: dont think so :/ need my fix |
| 21:20.32 | josch | everybody voting for josch get a two freerunner for the price of three from me! i promise! |
| 21:20.59 | anrp | a steal at any price! |
| 21:21.02 | anrp | ....wait, what? |
| 21:21.27 | josch | quicksand, maybe it's easier for you to go through the manual installation process? |
| 21:21.37 | josch | it took me 15 minutes to follow my guide |
| 21:21.40 | quicksand | Yep, sounding that way. I was lazy. |
| 21:21.45 | josch | hehe |
| 21:22.06 | quicksand | I had to update uboot and kernel, so after that I wanted instant gratification. |
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| 21:22.27 | josch | quicksand, you having your kernel on flash or sd? |
| 21:22.54 | quicksand | Flash. I have an SDHC 8GB card. |
| 21:22.58 | ewon | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2398916025034509084 |
| 21:23.28 | anrp | sdhc? |
| 21:23.28 | josch | quicksand, ah great me too |
| 21:23.41 | josch | anrp, there is no normal 8 gig sd card :P |
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| 21:23.55 | quicksand | anrp: cards > 2GB are SDHC |
| 21:23.57 | SpeedEvil | Flash Ahah! |
| 21:23.58 | wurp2|working | I'm waiting until my 2gb feels too confining |
| 21:24.05 | wurp2|working | They just keep dropping in price, and I'm cheap |
| 21:24.08 | SpeedEvil | I upgraded to 5GB |
| 21:24.11 | SpeedEvil | err 4 |
| 21:24.14 | SpeedEvil | 13 quid. |
| 21:24.20 | wurp2|working | Very nice |
| 21:24.24 | SpeedEvil | and it goes at 3M/s read and write in the neo |
| 21:24.24 | wurp2|working | That's what I paid for 2 |
| 21:24.25 | cb22 | ... $26 |
| 21:24.32 | anrp | the quid |
| 21:24.37 | wurp2|working | But I had a Radio Shack card, so I had to find something to buy there |
| 21:24.45 | quicksand | I paid like $90 for my 8GB, which is probably close to 13 quid these days. |
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| 21:24.57 | wurp2|working | er, that's what I paid for *1* 2gb card |
| 21:25.00 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: still only around 46. |
| 21:25.13 | cb22 | its so nice that 1euro = 1.5 dollars. makes conversions in my head so much easier |
| 21:25.31 | quicksand | cb22: 1:1 was even easier |
| 21:25.42 | quicksand | WAS |
| 21:25.44 | SpeedEvil | Anotehr conversion wasn't so nice for me. |
| 21:25.45 | wurp2|working | It would be even nicer if I had converted $50,000 US to euros a coupla years ago |
| 21:25.46 | cb22 | quicksand: yeah, now they use that with the CAD |
| 21:25.57 | SpeedEvil | I misread the amount of fuel that I put into my car. |
| 21:26.28 | SpeedEvil | As for years - it's been under one pound per litre, so you just read the high number for quantity. |
| 21:27.21 | cb22 | here we are moaning about $1.10 or so / litre |
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| 21:28.51 | abraxa_ | I didn't think it was that cheap in south Africa |
| 21:29.19 | cb22 | south africa has a very cheap cost of living |
| 21:29.26 | abraxa_ | Interesting |
| 21:29.40 | cb22 | a maid / domistic worker / person who cooks, cleans, irons, does dishes etc, is R2500 a month or so |
| 21:29.46 | dcordes | thos, there already is a bug. see #1283 |
| 21:29.51 | wurp2|working | Heh, here we complaing about $0.85 / liter or so |
| 21:30.01 | cb22 | that is $315 a month |
| 21:30.12 | cb22 | for practically a servent |
| 21:30.18 | anrp | ~_~ |
| 21:30.18 | apt | :/ |
| 21:30.26 | cb22 | abraxa_: where it hits you is anything it related |
| 21:30.57 | abraxa_ | cb22: What do you mean? |
| 21:31.04 | abraxa_ | IT related? |
| 21:31.17 | cb22 | yeah, like pcs, phones, etc |
| 21:31.21 | cb22 | internet |
| 21:31.34 | abraxa_ | Ah okay, I wasn't sure if you meant IT or "it" :) |
| 21:31.45 | cb22 | heh, 2x the price |
| 21:32.05 | abraxa_ | Well, I live in Europe so I'm used to technology being expensive |
| 21:32.30 | lunartear | does the gta02 accept sim cards? |
| 21:32.59 | cb22 | lunartear: its all it takes |
| 21:33.09 | lunartear | ok |
| 21:34.11 | anrp | attemps to plug in a verizon wireless usb card |
| 21:35.12 | josch | * anrp fails miserably * |
| 21:35.20 | cb22 | why? |
| 21:35.25 | cb22 | usb host :) |
| 21:35.34 | cb22 | all you need is some magic |
| 21:35.47 | cb22 | s/some/lots of/ |
| 21:36.01 | anrp | one +5 supply later, i'm in business |
| 21:39.37 | cb22 | i remember hearing that gta02 can run off usb with no battery, but a bit crippiled, like no gsm |
| 21:39.57 | cb22 | would it be different running off the 1a wall charger? |
| 21:40.17 | anrp | depends on if its current limit based or ripple/transient response based |
| 21:40.49 | anrp | and if the circuitry is designed such that it's even possible |
| 21:40.57 | wurp2|working | Does FR have three charge modes? 100mA, 500mA, 1000mA? |
| 21:41.17 | anrp | 1a isn't allowed through USB, although lots of hosts provide it |
| 21:41.19 | wurp2|working | cb22: From what I read, it wouldn't make any difference if you had 1000 mA |
| 21:41.36 | anrp | points to UL |
| 21:41.39 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: it sort of does. |
| 21:41.41 | wurp2|working | gsm was just not on the right circuit to power from USB |
| 21:41.47 | cb22 | i remember hearing something about the pmu and power paths. maybe the modem can only draw from the battery |
| 21:41.53 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: 3.6V*1.2Ah = 4.5Wh |
| 21:42.08 | wurp2|working | does fast_cccv stilll mean 500 mA? |
| 21:42.12 | anrp | it could easily be |
| 21:42.21 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: This is 900mA or so for one hour charge completely neglecting on current. |
| 21:42.27 | anrp | since a battery can be modelled as a honking huge capacitor, which means almost no ripple |
| 21:42.45 | wurp2|working | SpeedEvil: one hour charge goodness |
| 21:43.05 | cb22 | yummy |
| 21:43.18 | anrp | only if the charge controller supports it |
| 21:43.27 | SpeedEvil | wurp2|working: of course there are battery techs that could give you an 800mAh battery that'll charge in 5 mins. |
| 21:43.36 | SpeedEvil | well - 10 mins. |
| 21:43.38 | cb22 | how fast can the battery take it? |
| 21:43.46 | wurp2|working | And is there somet other string you can send to the charge sys filelike thing to set it to 1A? |
| 21:43.46 | SpeedEvil | cb22: 1 hour is about the limit. |
| 21:44.01 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: does it normally end with an exploision :p |
| 21:44.03 | ScaredyCat | thos: ping |
| 21:44.05 | ScaredyCat | slaps cb22 |
| 21:44.08 | anrp | also, if the charge controller isn't switching based, it could need to dissipate anywhere from (5-3.2)*1=1.8W to (5-4.2)*1=0.8W |
| 21:44.16 | anrp | which is a not insignificant amount of power |
| 21:44.42 | abraxa_ | wurp2|working: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=956 |
| 21:44.48 | cb22 | counterslaps ScaredyCat |
| 21:45.21 | cb22 | anrp: eww, heat. |
| 21:45.47 | SpeedEvil | anrp: everything is |
| 21:45.53 | cb22 | btw, is the charging controller switching? |
| 21:46.03 | SpeedEvil | cb22: yes - from memory |
| 21:46.07 | SpeedEvil | (of GTA01) |
| 21:46.14 | wurp2|working | abraxa_: So the short answer is, not yet, and no one has weighed in on if it's even possible? |
| 21:46.23 | anrp | that would explain the funniness on removing the battery with usb applied |
| 21:46.28 | anrp | destabilize the control loop D: |
| 21:46.32 | wurp2|working | It is annoying that now they call 1A fast charge |
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| 21:46.50 | wurp2|working | ppl keep thinking that my fast charge app will do 1A on the FR |
| 21:46.53 | wurp2|working | which I doubt |
| 21:47.37 | abraxa_ | wurp2|working: I'm not sure what you're refering to. 1A charging is possible and there seems to be a kernel patch to allow it |
| 21:48.06 | wurp2|working | abraxa_: (it == setting 1A charge mode programatically) |
| 21:48.18 | cb22 | also, i remember some things from awhile ago, like only drawing 20ma in 100ma mode, have those been fixied / dont exist in p2? |
| 21:48.26 | cb22 | s/p2/02/ |
| 21:48.42 | ScaredyCat | anyone with wvn access ? |
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| 21:48.53 | ScaredyCat | s/wvn/svn/ |
| 21:50.20 | wurp2|working | abraxa_: The bug you sent me talks about wanting to override the charge mode, but no one addresses the question that I can see |
| 21:51.43 | wurp2|working | (override the charge mode "in userspace", which I assume means programatically from a userspace app) |
| 21:52.52 | abraxa_ | wurp2|working: Yeah, I have no idea about that, unfortunately |
| 21:54.55 | wurp2|working | cb22: I think it was like 50mA or 60mA, and I would be shocked if that issue exists in FR |
| 21:55.18 | wurp2|working | You might email the list asking about it, though. Someone should check it w/ an ammeter |
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| 21:59.47 | mwester | There's been next to zero work done on the gta01 kernel, so if the problem is not common to both 01 and 02, it's probably still present. |
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| 22:00.24 | mwester | (also, the recent emails seem to have "cut loose" the gta01 to community support, so if there are gta01 kernel problems, it's up to us to fix them. |
| 22:00.27 | mwester | ) |
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| 22:01.25 | mwester | There's some concern about the two kernels diverging, but the way I see it, it is inevitable, so we might as well start right now. |
| 22:06.18 | wurp2|working | cb22: Thanks for the comment about using my finger to unlock |
| 22:06.29 | abraxa_ | I'm not sure... should be worth to bring it up on the dev ML. Andy and Werner are the only kernel guys right now as far as I can tell and they got tons of stuff to do with GTA02 still - which is their current priority, no doubt |
| 22:06.37 | wurp2|working | Apparently I was too stupid to actually start doing that until someone told me to |
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| 22:25.59 | ewon | anyone here with a gta02? |
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| 22:26.37 | ajbrun | ewon - how many people do you think have a gta02 total? |
| 22:26.58 | ajbrun | considering they're not in mass production yet |
| 22:27.43 | ewon | abraxa_: obviously, buy presumably there are a few devs on-channel |
| 22:28.11 | abraxa_ | Evil highlighter :) |
| 22:29.00 | abraxa_ | If I'd have to guess I'd say that about 5 people here have one |
| 22:29.27 | abraxa_ | ...except for raster - he has a few |
| 22:30.04 | raster | i have 2 |
| 22:30.13 | raster | one of them is currently broken without a screen |
| 22:30.16 | raster | so really - only 1 |
| 22:30.33 | abraxa_ | Aww |
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| 22:38.12 | raster | awww indeed |
| 22:38.13 | raster | :) |
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| 22:41.37 | josch | would even be happy to own a broken gta02... |
| 22:41.51 | josch | good night till tomorrow mokos! |
| 22:42.20 | raster | mokomonkies! |
| 22:42.21 | raster | :) |
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| 23:12.02 | summatusmentis | w00t! 500 more tasks to go!! |
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| 23:12.55 | SpeedEvil | notes that ¹his builds over the last week bave benbroken. |
| 23:12.59 | SpeedEvil | have been broken |
| 23:13.13 | summatusmentis | lol, I should've been paying more attention |
| 23:13.14 | summatusmentis | crap |
| 23:13.17 | summatusmentis | broken how? |
| 23:13.41 | SpeedEvil | boots, windows are messed up |
| 23:14.02 | SpeedEvil | No topbar other than teh status icons - which are stuck on the left. |
| 23:14.29 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 23:14.38 | summatusmentis | that's stupid |
| 23:14.58 | SpeedEvil | application sstart in stop rileft cornet. |
| 23:15.03 | SpeedEvil | top left. |
| 23:15.20 | CoreDump | hands SpeedEvil a new keyboard |
| 23:15.21 | SpeedEvil | with gaps to bottom and right showing home screen. |
| 23:15.31 | SpeedEvil | CoreDump: the problem is I usually use a laptop. |
| 23:15.39 | SpeedEvil | With a slightly smalle rhtn nominal keyboar.d |
| 23:15.48 | SpeedEvil | At the momebnt however, I'm using a full sized one. |
| 23:15.58 | CoreDump | ;) |
| 23:15.58 | SpeedEvil | With a 5s ping time due to downloading stuff. |
| 23:16.07 | CoreDump | eww |
| 23:16.12 | summatusmentis | I really like laptop keyboards, i always feel weird on a fullsize keyboard |
| 23:16.24 | summatusmentis | tends to prefer laptops over desktops also |
| 23:16.32 | CoreDump | same here |
| 23:16.36 | SpeedEvil | I love my laptop. |
| 23:16.50 | SpeedEvil | But a like-for-like new replacement is _hudeously_ expensive. |
| 23:17.04 | SpeedEvil | As it's 1.1Kg and 8h battery life. |
| 23:17.12 | CoreDump | yeah, that's the problem with laptops |
| 23:17.31 | CoreDump | 8h certainly is impressive |
| 23:17.45 | SpeedEvil | It used to be 4h when it came outof the factory. |
| 23:17.49 | SpeedEvil | But batteries got better. |
| 23:17.53 | CoreDump | s does a lousy 1.5 hrs |
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| 23:18.01 | SpeedEvil | It came with 1300Mah cells, I put in 2500mAh |
| 23:19.00 | summatusmentis | I gget 5h on low screen brightness |
| 23:19.00 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: what kind of computer is it? |
| 23:19.00 | SpeedEvil | toshiba portege 3110CTY |
| 23:19.00 | CoreDump | I guess you guys aren't running dualcore laptops =) |
| 23:19.00 | SpeedEvil | CT |
| 23:19.00 | summatusmentis | CoreDump: I am |
| 23:19.00 | SpeedEvil | PII?300 |
| 23:19.16 | summatusmentis | CoreDump: Macbook(pre-santa rosa) |
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| 23:19.36 | CoreDump | sighs at his crappy batterylife |
| 23:19.48 | CoreDump | oh well, can't have everything |
| 23:19.59 | summatusmentis | yeah, but you get a neo |
| 23:20.10 | CoreDump | true =) |
| 23:21.12 | wurp2|working | I much prefer my Kinesis kbd to laptop or normal... |
| 23:22.53 | summatusmentis | not a fan of split keyboards, probably because I don't type using orthodox ten finger typing |
| 23:23.04 | wurp2|working | yeah, that would be a hindrance |
| 23:23.11 | SpeedEvil | ¹http://roland-ramthun.de/osm/official/planet-latest.osm.bz2 |
| 23:23.19 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 23:23.46 | Stephmw | pounces on the link |
| 23:24.01 | SpeedEvil | It contains all the worlds porn. |
| 23:24.06 | SpeedEvil | Well - in a sense anyway. |
| 23:24.24 | SpeedEvil | (complete database dump of openstreetmap.org - a world streetmap) |
| 23:24.26 | wurp2|working | Much of the world's porn I find kind of horrifying |
| 23:24.47 | ewon | you're doing it wrong |
| 23:24.55 | wurp2|working | No, I think they are |
| 23:24.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.11 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: good thing you don't sleep, eh? |
| 23:26.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm planning on going to sleep in a bit. |
| 23:26.37 | Stephmw | wha? |
| 23:26.43 | Stephmw | you can't do that to me! |
| 23:26.49 | SpeedEvil | I do sleep. |
| 23:27.07 | SpeedEvil | I simply have very disturbed sleep patterns. |
| 23:27.47 | Stephmw | so do I at the moment |
| 23:28.29 | summatusmentis | babies? or just weird sleeping hours? |
| 23:28.58 | SpeedEvil | None of the former. |
| 23:29.01 | SpeedEvil | (as far as I know) |
| 23:29.14 | zash | sleep is for ppl that have jobs |
| 23:29.33 | Stephmw | has a job... sleep... is for people without things on their mind |
| 23:29.49 | summatusmentis | Stephmw: I hear that man, been there |
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| 23:30.26 | Stephmw | sighs. Being a married geek has its own set of challenges. |
| 23:31.51 | SpeedEvil | ¹/me remembers that blog. |
| 23:32.00 | SpeedEvil | And wanders over to look at the REiser trial. |
| 23:32.24 | Stephmw | haha |
| 23:32.31 | Stephmw | no, I'm not about to off the missus |
| 23:32.51 | SpeedEvil | No - you just reminded me. |
| 23:33.05 | SpeedEvil | The trial reports are interesting. |
| 23:34.16 | SpeedEvil | In many ways he comes across as your average asocial geek . |
| 23:36.38 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: What happened to Reiser anyway? I never followed up on his case |
| 23:36.57 | SpeedEvil | ¹He;'s currently on trial for teh murder of his wife. |
| 23:37.00 | SpeedEvil | In custody. |
| 23:37.15 | abraxa_ | Still? Wah... |
| 23:37.18 | SpeedEvil | Some of the stuff - the car seat for exmaple has plausible explantions. |
| 23:37.23 | abraxa_ | I thought it's been quite a while already |
| 23:37.40 | summatusmentis | I thought he'd killed himself? |
| 23:37.47 | summatusmentis | or did I make that up? |
| 23:37.48 | SpeedEvil | (he broke his feet in a gym, has poor circulation, and so it was uncomfortable to be sleeping in his car. |
| 23:38.09 | SpeedEvil | So he removed the seat, so he could sleep more comfortably. |
| 23:38.21 | abraxa_ | Why would he sleep in his car to behin with? |
| 23:38.25 | SpeedEvil | Why he was sleeping in the car - paranoia - is another question - but... |
| 23:39.02 | SpeedEvil | Tehre is nothing that is obviously implausible. Merely very asocial. |
| 23:39.16 | abraxa_ | ...which makes him look like a psycho :( |
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| 23:40.22 | SpeedEvil | Of an employee of a school he says 'Reiser said he wanted to go in and out after checking on whether his mother was on the pickup list. "I didn't want to interact with her," he said. "She actually wanted to, like, have this whole human interaction, let's be touchy-feely dance kind of thing," he said, moving his arms up and down and smiling. "And I understand that. But I just wanted to go in and come out," he said.' |
| 23:40.43 | SpeedEvil | which is sort of charachteristic. |
| 23:45.09 | anrp | of course he's going against a group of the community peers, not his peers |
| 23:45.14 | anrp | in the jury |
| 23:45.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:45.36 | anrp | so it will be hard to gloss over |
| 23:45.41 | SpeedEvil | I suspect a substantial fraction of people here would identify with that last in some way. |
| 23:47.51 | abraxa_ | What does "to go in and out" mean in this context? |
| 23:48.01 | abraxa_ | I can't quite grasp the paragraph you quoted |
| 23:48.13 | SpeedEvil | get into the school - get the information - get out |
| 23:48.22 | SpeedEvil | rather than actually talk to people |
| 23:48.30 | abraxa_ | Ahh okay |
| 23:49.37 | abraxa_ | "On January 17, 2007, the Reisers' son, Rory Reiser, was scheduled to testify, but failed to appear. Judge Julie Conger asked that Rory return to court and clarify his conflicting testimony, but he never did because his maternal grandmother failed to bring the children back from Russia as promised." |
| 23:50.11 | abraxa_ | Makes me wonder if Reiser's wife somehow went to Russia and lives there now, together with the kids |
| 23:50.32 | SpeedEvil | That's the basic defence case - partially. |
| 23:50.34 | abraxa_ | ...while Reiser gets blamed for murder, which hasn't even been proven to have occured |
| 23:50.34 | Stephmw | it'd be a really good way to screw Reiser |
| 23:50.57 | abraxa_ | That's so screwed up, whatever way you look at it |
| 23:51.08 | SpeedEvil | His wife has previously travelled around the world without passport too - which has raised suspicions there. |
| 23:51.19 | abraxa_ | How can you do that? |
| 23:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Go to russian consulate 'I lost muy passport' |
| 23:51.46 | abraxa_ | eh |
| 23:52.11 | SpeedEvil | (She's russian) |
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| 23:53.27 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 23:53.41 | abraxa_ | And the fact that she applied for Russian citizenship for her kids tells a lot to me |
| 23:54.40 | abraxa_ | Poor Reiser... |
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