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| 00:03.04 | vik | Slight problem with OpenMoko CAD files - no Open Source 3D program can open them! |
| 00:03.22 | Qwell | vim! |
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| 00:03.55 | vik | Last I checked, vim wasn't a 3D program. You haz plugin? |
| 00:04.06 | Qwell | You can't read binary CAD? :) |
| 00:04.23 | vik | Yeah, but I can't write to my fabber. |
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| 00:11.18 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: you around? |
| 00:12.14 | SpeedEvil | At one point I was interested in a carbon-carbon composite fabber. |
| 00:12.29 | SpeedEvil | The process isn't actually too horrible. |
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| 00:18.06 | cheetah100 | Hi everyone, |
| 00:18.13 | summatusmentis | hi cheetah100 |
| 00:18.44 | cheetah100 | I'm trying to access http://svn.nslu2-linux.org, but it seems to be down |
| 00:19.04 | cheetah100 | I'm after mokomakefile |
| 00:19.31 | cheetah100 | Are there any alternate repositories, or am I stuck? |
| 00:23.05 | SpeedEvil | you have dcc (Makefile, other is an oops) |
| 00:23.10 | SpeedEvil | As of 20 feb |
| 00:24.52 | cheetah100 | What I mean is that I'm trying to follow the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 00:25.51 | cheetah100 | and this instructs to do a wget http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile |
| 00:26.05 | cheetah100 | but the request times out. |
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| 00:31.44 | SpeedEvil | I tried to dcc you the makefile. Do incoming DCCs not work for you? |
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| 00:35.30 | cheetah100 | I don't think they do. |
| 00:35.58 | cheetah100 | I'm using a command line IRC as a last resort. |
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| 00:36.48 | SpeedEvil | htpt://www.mauve.plus.com/Makefile |
| 00:36.51 | SpeedEvil | Is a scopy |
| 00:36.54 | cheetah100 | thanks |
| 00:38.22 | cheetah100 | thats great. You're a lifesaver :) |
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| 00:51.46 | mwester | cheetah100: nslu2-linux.org is moving to a new IP; it'll be back as soon as the DNS records trickle through the internet. |
| 00:51.49 | retarded | starcraft 2 beta is here this is the automatic downloader very fast download... enjoy, http://rs291.rapidshare.com/files/100585651/starcraft_2_beta_downloader.exe click on free download on rapidshare.com to download |
| 00:53.57 | SpeedEvil | sighs, and launches the ICBMs. |
| 01:04.07 | lackita | hey, so does anybody know why when I try to run dfu-utils it just tells me "No DFU capable USB device found"? |
| 01:04.34 | SpeedEvil | you've pressed the aux button, and have the us-boot screen up? |
| 01:04.38 | lackita | yeah |
| 01:04.56 | SpeedEvil | you have the USB cable plugged into the computer you are using and the neo? |
| 01:05.03 | lackita | yeah |
| 01:05.18 | SpeedEvil | Try plugging it directly in, not through a hub perhaps |
| 01:05.27 | lackita | it's not a hub |
| 01:05.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 01:05.56 | lackita | what's stranger is I can connect with cu |
| 01:05.56 | mwester | Try another cable? |
| 01:06.17 | mwester | Are you doing this as root? |
| 01:06.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 01:06.24 | lackita | no |
| 01:06.24 | SpeedEvil | That too perhaps. |
| 01:06.32 | SpeedEvil | Et viola. |
| 01:06.51 | summatusmentis | hrm... anyone know of an intro doc on dbus? |
| 01:06.55 | lackita | ah, didn't realize permissions |
| 01:07.02 | lackita | thanks guys |
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| 01:26.59 | wurp2|gone | summatusmentis: re: dbus, I just searched around on the web |
| 01:27.12 | wurp2|gone | summatusmentis: I have some scripts that walk the dbus and issue method calls (in python) |
| 01:27.26 | wurp2|gone | summatusmentis: Which is how I generated the dbus api docs that are on the wiki |
| 01:28.17 | summatusmentis | wurp2|gone: I'm just wondering about the projects that could be based on openmoko, and how much pre-req knowledge is needed |
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| 01:29.12 | wurp2|gone | dbus is really really easy |
| 01:29.32 | wurp2|gone | at least, for someone with a couple of decades of software dev exp |
| 01:30.22 | wurp2|gone | but I think it's just pretty darn easy |
| 01:30.39 | wurp2|gone | as programming tasks go, regardless of your experience |
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| 01:32.15 | wurp2|gone | really gone again |
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| 01:54.15 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. Seems like DRAM doesn't actually lose bits as dast as most people assumed. |
| 01:54.44 | SpeedEvil | You can recover 99.9% of memory by powering off and rebooting into a hostile OS. |
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| 02:05.04 | XorA | SpeedEvil: you can see that on GTA02, the framebuffer still has the picture upto 5 minutes after battery is removed |
| 02:05.23 | XorA | SpeedEvil: that research paper was bogus though, that exploit was know for at least 10 years |
| 02:08.18 | summatusmentis | is there an email app for openmoko? |
| 02:08.39 | summatusmentis | maybe I'm just not paying attention at all, but I don't think I've ever heard of one |
| 02:09.59 | SpeedEvil | Keeping it in the public eye is good though |
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| 02:26.02 | Aria | is away: Y'know. Stuff. |
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| 02:39.58 | summatusmentis | hi mickey |
| 02:40.10 | mickey | hi |
| 02:41.22 | summatusmentis | mickeyl|bossa: do you recall the discussion on angstrom-devel about a dbus/HAL based replacement for zaurusd? |
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| 02:41.30 | mickeyl|bossa | of course |
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| 02:42.12 | summatusmentis | I'm thinking about suggesting that sort of project as an openmoko, as Agnstrom didn't get an application in on time |
| 02:42.13 | mickeyl|bossa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:42.24 | mickeyl|bossa | that's bad |
| 02:42.31 | summatusmentis | it's bad? |
| 02:42.35 | mickeyl|bossa | i thought crofton was going to handle that? |
| 02:42.52 | summatusmentis | he was, and tried to, but got confused about the time of the due date |
| 02:42.53 | mickeyl|bossa | seems you can't rely on people *sigh* |
| 02:43.03 | summatusmentis | was sitting down to do that application as the it was due |
| 02:43.19 | summatusmentis | honest mistake, but kinda careless |
| 02:43.35 | mickeyl|bossa | k. |
| 02:43.55 | mickeyl|bossa | ya, feel free to suggest that project as OM project |
| 02:44.15 | mickeyl|bossa | please incorporate my thoughts as written on the freesmartphone.org |
| 02:44.21 | mickeyl|bossa | and think about doing it in Vala |
| 02:45.05 | mickeyl|bossa | i'm trying to get more than 3 slots this year |
| 02:45.11 | mickeyl|bossa | but i have no idea whether that'll work ;) |
| 02:45.38 | summatusmentis | does google usually limit slots? |
| 02:46.43 | mickeyl|bossa | yep |
| 02:47.03 | summatusmentis | I'm assuming this is kind of a big project, are there mentors I should potentially talk to? or is none of that decided yet? |
| 02:47.18 | mickeyl|bossa | we get like dozens of applications, but only a very limited number gets granted by google (naturally, this costs money) |
| 02:47.37 | summatusmentis | of course, that's why it's an application process |
| 02:47.39 | mickeyl|bossa | mentor registration will come within the next couple of days |
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| 02:48.04 | mickeyl|bossa | i'd suggest just try to come up with a good plan, and then we can refine this via the SoC interface forms |
| 02:48.17 | mickeyl|bossa | potential mentors will show up (hopefully;) |
| 02:48.40 | summatusmentis | alright. I feel like my background( or lack thereof) may be a hindrance to a 'good plan', which is why I was gonna maybe talk to people ahead of time |
| 02:49.58 | mickeyl|bossa | well |
| 02:50.01 | mickeyl|bossa | the problem is... |
| 02:50.09 | summatusmentis | there isn't anyone? |
| 02:50.11 | mickeyl|bossa | I'm probably the only potential mentor for this project |
| 02:50.20 | mickeyl|bossa | and i have tons of things to do |
| 02:50.29 | summatusmentis | totally fair |
| 02:50.50 | mickeyl|bossa | which makes it kinda hard to find time to think about it beforehand (apart from the stuff that's written in blog postings and on fs.o) |
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| 02:52.03 | summatusmentis | right, I can see that. I'll try and look into dbus/HAL on my own, and submit as good of a plan as I can come up w/, how's that? |
| 02:53.44 | mickeyl|bossa | sounds pretty good |
| 02:54.04 | mickeyl|bossa | the one thing i absolutely think is necessary is: |
| 02:54.04 | summatusmentis | alright, will you be around to maybe bounce ideas off of? or not really/ |
| 02:54.45 | mickeyl|bossa | i'm in brazil doing heavy work with INdT until saturday |
| 02:54.57 | mickeyl|bossa | i try to be on the net, but i'm not sure |
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| 02:58.19 | *** topic/#openmoko is Welcome to the OpenMoko support and discussion channel! | http://openmoko.org/ | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi and pre-alpha software) maybe due April | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 02:59.42 | XorA | hola mickeyl|bossa |
| 02:59.56 | mickeyl|bossa | hola XorA |
| 03:00.06 | XorA | is in .tw office now |
| 03:00.25 | mickeyl|bossa | XorA: oh, cool. please greet the guys from me! |
| 03:01.17 | XorA | catches up on OM build breakages |
| 03:01.37 | mickeyl|bossa | summatusmentis: 2 ways to compile. one static, one dynamic. the dynamic one loading plugins via dlopen, the static allows configuring the supported stuff into one binary |
| 03:02.26 | XorA | ah OM got GSoC done on time, cool |
| 03:02.31 | XorA | has been out of loop |
| 03:02.41 | mickeyl|bossa | summatusmentis: but that's build system stuff. featurewise, please just see the stuff at fs.o. I think the major work is getting the API right, |
| 03:02.48 | mickeyl|bossa | XorA: yeah, guess who had to do it :/ |
| 03:03.29 | XorA | mickeyl|bossa: re Angstrom, both Crofton and Florian misread the end time as being 5pm, not 12pm |
| 03:03.41 | XorA | mickeyl|bossa: to GPE missed as well |
| 03:03.50 | mickeyl|bossa | summatusmentis: and then the framework implementation. once we have this, adding more plugins should be a breeze |
| 03:03.53 | mickeyl|bossa | XorA: bummer |
| 03:04.17 | mickeyl|bossa | this year a whole lot of orgs got accepted |
| 03:04.41 | XorA | mickeyl|bossa: I should be able to mentor the right project for OM, Ill have to figure out how this stuff works |
| 03:04.53 | mickeyl|bossa | excellent |
| 03:05.00 | mickeyl|bossa | i'll write something regarding soc tomorrow |
| 03:06.01 | XorA | hasnt done GSoC stuff before |
| 03:06.16 | summatusmentis | mickeyl|bossa: as the potential mentor for this potential project, I assume it would be your job(potentially) to walk me through how an API works, let alone how to write one? :) |
| 03:06.37 | summatusmentis | I mean, i understand the concept, it's implementation for me from here |
| 03:06.45 | mickeyl|bossa | summatusmentis: hmm.... not walking through, but rather guiding ;) |
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| 03:06.50 | macdonalder | mickeyl|bossa: I had emailed you regarding a SoC application today but seeing as you're here I may as well ask; has any hardware been chosen for the accelerometers, or, barring that, the interface they are to use to talk to the processor (I2C/SPI...)? |
| 03:06.58 | summatusmentis | mickeyl|bossa: of course, of course :-) |
| 03:07.13 | mickeyl|bossa | macdonalder: of course. we're a couple of weeks away from mass production :) |
| 03:07.14 | XorA | macdonalder: yes |
| 03:07.25 | mickeyl|bossa | macdonalder: the hardware is published on wiki.openmoko.org |
| 03:07.29 | macdonalder | ahh, excellent... |
| 03:07.40 | mickeyl|bossa | interface right now is cat /dev/input/event/* |
| 03:07.40 | macdonalder | I must have been looking at the wrong page then |
| 03:07.52 | mickeyl|bossa | should be a _really_ cool project |
| 03:07.52 | macdonalder | oh, even better! |
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| 03:08.06 | macdonalder | was worried he'd have to write kernel code or something :S |
| 03:08.09 | mickeyl|bossa | but not easy though, guess you need some math |
| 03:08.17 | macdonalder | yes |
| 03:08.37 | queueRAM | Are there any projects in particular that you would have desire to mentor? |
| 03:08.50 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03jeremy * r4218 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (setup_at_neo_diversity.script setupenv): |
| 03:08.50 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-19 Jeremy Chang <jeremy@openmoko.com> |
| 03:08.50 | CIA-17 | openmoko: For adding diversity testing support. |
| 03:11.05 | mickeyl|bossa | well, i can only do so far. i would _love_ to have someone working on the dedicated efl widgets stuff |
| 03:11.12 | mickeyl|bossa | s/far/much/ |
| 03:11.26 | mickeyl|bossa | but also would love to have people working on middleware |
| 03:11.37 | mickeyl|bossa | (which is even more important, but less sexy) |
| 03:11.45 | XorA | mickeyl|bossa: just organise the full stack as 3 GSoC projects :-) |
| 03:11.54 | mickeyl|bossa | hehe |
| 03:11.56 | mickeyl|bossa | make that 7 |
| 03:11.58 | mickeyl|bossa | but yeah |
| 03:12.22 | queueRAM | i'm actually looking at low-level device driver or kernel level. i would settle for middleware |
| 03:13.37 | mickeyl|bossa | i think driver and kernel is looking pretty good these days |
| 03:13.42 | mickeyl|bossa | most work now needs to be userland |
| 03:20.19 | queueRAM | Well, that's a bummer. What middleware would you suggest i look into? |
| 03:22.18 | mickeyl|bossa | basically we need event, preferences, location, telephony, network, device |
| 03:22.30 | mickeyl|bossa | out of these, device, event, and preferences are not really started |
| 03:23.24 | mickeyl|bossa | yet |
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| 03:28.59 | queueRAM | great, thanks for the information |
| 03:29.39 | mickeyl|bossa | np |
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| 03:51.26 | queueRAM | rwhitby: ping |
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| 03:59.35 | rwhitby | queueRAM: syn|ack |
| 04:00.03 | queueRAM | hah |
| 04:00.23 | queueRAM | just curious, does the MokoMakefile require git now? |
| 04:03.04 | XorA | MokoMakefile doesnt require git, building OpenMoko does require git |
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| 04:06.18 | queueRAM | good deal |
| 04:09.09 | rwhitby | XorA: thx |
| 04:09.45 | XorA | rwhitby: hey Im almost in your timezone :-) |
| 04:10.02 | rwhitby | you're in .tw? |
| 04:10.56 | XorA | rwhitby: yeah |
| 04:11.16 | rwhitby | can you pilfer a gta02 off the PVT run for me? |
| 04:11.46 | rwhitby | I heard there's no P0 this time, so I need to pull other strings ;-) |
| 04:12.34 | SpeedEvil | And a confirmation that there will/won't be no P0 would be nice. |
| 04:13.53 | rwhitby | My guess is the new marketing manager said "What do you mean we're *giving* away *free* phones to some hackers???!!!" |
| 04:14.27 | XorA | my GTA02 has been nicked for testing as t-mobile UK is causing hassles |
| 04:14.43 | rwhitby | meanwhile, both my GTA01's refuse to charge a battery, so I'm moko-less. |
| 04:15.10 | rwhitby | also know as "NoMoko". |
| 04:15.26 | XorA | www.nomoko.com |
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| 04:16.58 | SpeedEvil | is on t-mobile-uk |
| 04:17.03 | SpeedEvil | Works fine for me |
| 04:17.05 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 |
| 04:17.09 | SpeedEvil | Moko1 |
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| 04:17.41 | XorA | SpeedEvil: bug #1024 |
| 04:18.03 | SpeedEvil | !bug 1024 |
| 04:18.13 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember how to trigger that. |
| 04:18.16 | SpeedEvil | !ombug 1024 |
| 04:18.17 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1024, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown |
| 04:18.18 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)openmoko.org: gsm modem oscillating between registrated / not-registrated |
| 04:18.19 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1024 |
| 04:19.58 | rwhitby | XorA: whatever is on www.nomoko.com, I need a password for it :-) |
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| 04:38.28 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.31 | linuxxr | yay |
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| 04:52.58 | holymoly | right on! |
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| 05:19.27 | doc|home | anyone know how long before it hits production if that's all good? and from then to release? |
| 05:19.44 | kdean06 | doc|home, "Soon". :) |
| 05:19.58 | kdean06 | Pilot production runs begin this week, or early next. |
| 05:20.31 | doc|home | possible to answer how long is a full production run? |
| 05:20.45 | doc|home | i.e. all things being good, when can we get our filthy mitts on them? :) |
| 05:20.48 | kdean06 | Assuming nothing is wrong, news should be coming soon. And I expect a recent duscussion lit some fires, so more news will be soming around soon, like if that run was ready or not. :) |
| 05:21.05 | doc|home | excellent |
| 05:21.11 | doc|home | so. the troll won? :) |
| 05:21.41 | kdean06 | Not really. :P |
| 05:22.08 | kdean06 | I think a lot of people expressed themselves, which should lead to more communication. :) |
| 05:22.18 | kdean06 | I should go into politics, really. :D |
| 05:22.52 | SpeedEvil | expresses himself in terms of dance. |
| 05:22.54 | kdean06 | That conversation, quite frankly, quickly moved from marketing to community. I'm not sure how much impact it had by the end. :P |
| 05:23.07 | kdean06 | But there was expression, for what it's worth. :) |
| 05:29.11 | doc|home | kdean06: hehe |
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| 06:31.45 | Fradeve | è a spasso: Pero ora assente. |
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| 06:55.56 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03tick * r4220 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setupenv: adding some information |
| 06:55.59 | aristocrat | can anybody help me understand the "Acceptance Criteria" for OpenMoko product ? |
| 06:58.15 | rwhitby | aristocrat: from who's point of view? the hardware manufacturer, the software release QA manager, the marketing manager, the carrier, or the customer? |
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| 06:59.26 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:59.49 | aristocrat | rwhitby, i would be beleive the customer and QA manager ? |
| 07:00.22 | rwhitby | aristocrat: well, you define the former, and I doubt the latter would be disclosed. |
| 07:01.09 | XorA | aristocrat: Well the latter simplified is "does it work within acceptable bounds" |
| 07:01.31 | rwhitby | (Openmoko is an open _software_ project, not an open hardware or open business practices project) |
| 07:01.35 | XorA | aristocrat: but there are hundreds of tests in the test suite and I doubt we will ever publish them all |
| 07:02.13 | aristocrat | ok, so how would one define if it works within acceptable bounds..? |
| 07:02.27 | XorA | aristocrat: does X% of the test suite pass |
| 07:02.48 | aristocrat | there should be some sane document or information which shows what the openmoko is supposed to deliver |
| 07:03.04 | rwhitby | aristocrat: there is a product feature list |
| 07:03.32 | XorA | no company is insane enough to print the real list of QA tests :-) |
| 07:04.25 | aristocrat | XorA, well if not the whole list, but maybe an overhead of features that is to pass an acceptance criteria |
| 07:05.03 | XorA | aristocrat: I beleive the product specs are on the wiki, otherwise known as advertising :-) |
| 07:05.20 | rwhitby | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware |
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| 07:05.46 | rwhitby | quite a bit more detailed than what you get from Nokia ;-) |
| 07:07.21 | aristocrat | thats very true. But yet i would have wished to read through some "Acceptace Criteria" document.. guess no chance.. |
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| 07:08.45 | rwhitby | aristocrat: why do you believe that Openmoko should provide such a document? |
| 07:09.16 | rwhitby | (i.e. what set the expectation that such a thing would be provided by a commercial company?) |
| 07:10.45 | aristocrat | Well, its an acceptance criteria is a document that shows what expectations the customer should derive from the company, and the company pulls their heads and tails to come up with their customers would really get and should test out to be acceptable |
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| 07:11.11 | XorA | it will be like any other company, any feature that doesnt work which is not public will just never be listed in final documentation |
| 07:12.00 | aristocrat | thats true. But there are features that are expected, and how it should have worked from a customer's point of view is a valid open document.. right? |
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| 07:14.24 | XorA | just noticed that the building across the road from OM office has a Klingon Bird of Prey on it |
| 07:15.24 | rwhitby | aristocrat: isn't that the wiki page I referenced? |
| 07:16.55 | aristocrat | Yes, but thats a list. but expected results that a customer could test is not listed in the document. |
| 07:17.06 | aristocrat | oh.. well i guess such documents dont really exist..:) |
| 07:18.41 | rwhitby | aristocrat: I've never seen such a thing made public. |
| 07:18.51 | rwhitby | (I've seen lots under NDA) |
| 07:19.33 | rwhitby | companies generally avoid allowing a customer to hold them to some standard. too easy for lawsuits to result from that type of thing. |
| 07:19.36 | XorA | that document public would be suicide for any company\ |
| 07:19.44 | rwhitby | indeed. |
| 07:20.01 | XorA | knows because some idiot salesman from a previous company actually sent that document to a customer |
| 07:21.36 | aristocrat | do indirectly mentioning that i can never get my hands on one such document.. |
| 07:22.34 | XorA | aristocrat: I have to be careful what I say as I work for OpenMoko, and I don't speak the official company line |
| 07:22.43 | XorA | doesnt have the authority |
| 07:23.26 | aristocrat | XorA, can you direct me to someone who has authority :) |
| 07:23.47 | XorA | aristocrat: community@lists.openmoko.org |
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| 07:26.01 | aristocrat | XorA, ok, but was wondering if such a 'single' individual was prowling somewhere in here.. |
| 07:26.20 | XorA | aristocrat: no, but the upper management of OM do read that mailing list |
| 07:26.47 | XorA | aristocrat: and we also have community liasons officer who is actually the path such questions should go |
| 07:27.03 | aristocrat | alritee.. worth a try isnt it? .. maybe i should get some kinda reply.. |
| 07:27.50 | rwhitby | aristocrat: Sean Moss-Pultz is probably the person you want to speak to. |
| 07:28.17 | rwhitby | doesn't work for Openmoko, so can say what he likes ;-) |
| 07:28.47 | rwhitby | aristocrat: what purpose do you wish to use such a document for? |
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| 07:30.05 | rwhitby | (i.e. in addition to a feature list, and a hardware release where it's clear that someone in Openmoko has given the O.K. for that hardware release according to some internal quality assurance goal being met, of what use to the community is such a document in addition to those things?) |
| 07:31.02 | rwhitby | cause for a company to release such a legally-sensitive document to anyone, would require a very important justification. what is your justification for it's release? |
| 07:32.09 | rwhitby | has a pet peeve about people expecting Openmoko to have open business practises in addition to the stated promise of open software development. |
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| 07:32.40 | XorA | wonders when we hire rwhitby as our jack boot squad :-) |
| 07:33.23 | rwhitby | aristocrat: don't take my comments personally - I really am interested in why you want such a document ... |
| 07:33.38 | rwhitby | (other than just plain old curiosity) |
| 07:34.12 | aristocrat | rwhitby, i quite interested in being a customer level person who could help get OM better.. |
| 07:34.27 | aristocrat | open source helping mentality kinda guy ? ;) |
| 07:34.53 | rwhitby | aristocrat: ah, so what you really want to look at is the bug list then ;-) |
| 07:35.14 | rwhitby | when all those are closed, then you've helped get OM better :-) |
| 07:36.12 | rwhitby | aristocrat: seriously, the best acceptance criteria from a customer point of view is simply to use it as your only phone for a week and see if you're frustrated or delighted |
| 07:37.01 | aristocrat | Yes thats true, but i wanted it to be on a more 'professional' level... |
| 07:37.28 | rwhitby | but don't you see that legal danger that a company would put itself in by releasing such a document? |
| 07:38.18 | rwhitby | Not even Intel guarantees that your x86 processor will divide correctly ... |
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| 07:38.44 | XorA | aristocrat: look at Kevin Deans daily reports, make them more detailed |
| 07:38.57 | XorA | aristocrat: link them to bug numbers and your 95% of the way there |
| 07:39.11 | XorA | aristocrat: and helps us internally |
| 07:40.08 | aristocrat | XorA, i guess so. With these documents, you could as usual put a *-Conditions Apply.. and so danger is ommitted ;) .. buts its not as easy as it sounds.. |
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| 07:40.22 | aristocrat | XorA, i guess i got good help from you.. appreciate it.. |
| 07:41.04 | rwhitby | aristocrat: sorry to be so negative, but such a document simply will never be released by any company. |
| 07:41.55 | aristocrat | rwhitby, Xora, its totally understandable. But deep within i thought they still was a chance..:) |
| 07:43.40 | XorA | aristocrat: instead when GTA02 comes out, if its missing features you need shout loud |
| 07:44.10 | XorA | maybe GTA03/4/5/6/7/8/9 has those features if enough people need them |
| 07:44.43 | XorA | and no thats not an announcement of GTA03/4/5/6/7/8/9 :-D |
| 07:45.31 | raynet | oohh.. when are we gonna get GTA03??? :) |
| 07:49.28 | madwoota | dec 12th, 2157 |
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| 07:51.27 | XorA | madwoota: we will be six months late of course :-) |
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| 07:54.59 | methril | morning |
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| 08:10.14 | TaoTeShaun | question: why openmoko. i mean theres a number of different open source projects out there now |
| 08:11.16 | madwoota | because its more open :) |
| 08:11.41 | TaoTeShaun | hmm... more open eh? |
| 08:11.48 | XorA | OpenMoko is like the goatse man of open source :-) |
| 08:11.58 | TaoTeShaun | hehehehe |
| 08:12.10 | madwoota | banned in 205 countries ?!??! |
| 08:12.14 | madwoota | lol |
| 08:14.12 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-19 06:09:40] <CIA-17> openmoko: erin_yueh * r4219 /trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: remove AUX button key event |
| 08:14.13 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 08:14.18 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1282 |
| 08:14.20 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1282, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 08:14.21 | cdbot2 | * * will(AT)openmoko.com: Remove rotate display option |
| 08:14.22 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 |
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| 08:15.49 | ScaredyCat | so not oly was landscape removed, the actual button press was too.. :/ |
| 08:15.58 | ScaredyCat | s/oly/only/ |
| 08:17.06 | ScaredyCat | isn't that flickering issue gta02 only ? |
| 08:17.19 | XorA | hmm, yeah that isnt the right fix |
| 08:17.35 | ScaredyCat | damn straight! |
| 08:17.39 | XorA | change xrandr to use shadow buffer on gta02 same as gta01 is right fix |
| 08:18.06 | ScaredyCat | reopen it and fix it would yah... pretty please :) |
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| 08:18.38 | ScaredyCat | btw, something seems to overwrite the .state files for 01 with state files for 02 in the build process.. |
| 08:18.43 | XorA | I cant fix it, need a Dodji for that |
| 08:19.14 | ScaredyCat | Dodji ? |
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| 08:19.24 | XorA | gta02 Xserver writer |
| 08:19.32 | ScaredyCat | oh..... |
| 08:19.35 | Dodji | hides |
| 08:19.41 | ScaredyCat | oooo |
| 08:19.46 | XorA | hey Dodji dude |
| 08:19.46 | Dodji | ah too late |
| 08:19.49 | ecraven | what are the estimates on the likelihood of freerunner happening in april? |
| 08:19.51 | Dodji | XorA, hey :-) |
| 08:20.24 | Dodji | XorA, so finally it was "proven" that it was the glamo at fault, phew |
| 08:20.34 | ScaredyCat | points Dodji at bug 1282 && XorA's coment above |
| 08:20.44 | XorA | Dodji: thats impression I got from Andy's email |
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| 08:21.20 | TaoTeShaun | what about android? |
| 08:21.25 | Dodji | XorA, well, I had that impression long ago, hence the "lower frequency" hack. and olv did have it as well |
| 08:21.41 | ScaredyCat | what about it... TaoTeShaun .. it's not Open .. at least yet |
| 08:21.42 | kinneh | congrats to openmoko for the soc |
| 08:23.37 | Dodji | XorA, re shadow buffer, now I wonder what people will say when they realize it is very very slow |
| 08:23.56 | XorA | Dodji: they are used to it on GTA01 and most Zaurus and Ipaq machines |
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| 08:24.43 | Dodji | XorA, gta01 does not have the glamo <-> system bandwidth problem ... |
| 08:24.47 | XorA | Dodji: unless you can perform glamo super magic |
| 08:25.08 | XorA | Dodji: f**k I forgot about that |
| 08:25.12 | Dodji | XorA, that was the reason why we tried to "accelerate" the rotation in the first place ... |
| 08:25.21 | XorA | Dodji: can you not do a rotation blit on the glamo? |
| 08:25.28 | ScaredyCat | superglamomagalisticdojifixitocious! |
| 08:25.40 | XorA | so shadow buffer is the right way, but the copy is a bitblt with rotate |
| 08:26.22 | Dodji | XorA, here, blit would mean copy from system ram to glamo ram, right ? |
| 08:26.54 | XorA | Dodji: cant shadow live in glamo ram as well? |
| 08:27.09 | Dodji | XorA, probably, I need to look into how that is done |
| 08:27.27 | XorA | never used shadow buffers in X |
| 08:27.43 | Dodji | XorA, but I don't think blits will be enough ... |
| 08:28.09 | Dodji | I fear it is required to read pixels one by one to perform the rotation ... |
| 08:28.18 | Dodji | read, and write them |
| 08:28.21 | XorA | Dodji: ah well :-( |
| 08:28.43 | XorA | time for an optical landscape adapter :-) |
| 08:28.50 | Dodji | :-) |
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| 08:31.39 | ScaredyCat | so, we have this super chip in the 02, but it does't have the bandwidth to perform its super operations? |
| 08:33.50 | Dodji | we are talking about the bandwidth needed to move data from system ram into the chip ... |
| 08:34.06 | Dodji | once data are on the chip, it is usually okay-ish. |
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| 08:41.57 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:44.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03tick * r4221 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (setup_at_neo_assassin.script setupenv): |
| 08:44.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: fixed some tiny bug in setupenv |
| 08:44.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: and update the current status of assassin stuff |
| 08:50.35 | methril | morning |
| 08:52.30 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03tick * r4222 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setup_at_neo_assassin.script: fix a tiny bug |
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| 10:03.32 | Esben | what's up with monotone.openmoko.org? |
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| 10:09.54 | ashish | hi everybody |
| 10:10.29 | ashish | i wanted to know if any mentor for gsoc is present here |
| 10:10.47 | ashish | there are no contact details on the website |
| 10:10.54 | krish | ? |
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| 10:25.55 | edistar | ashish: ask mickeyl, he is a mentor iirc |
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| 10:34.58 | edistar | thomasg: ich krieg das nicht richtig aufgenommen.. macbook pro spinnt total und mein laptop ist zu schlecht, das rauscht |
| 10:36.00 | edistar | thomasg: beim MBP erfindet das interne mikro schrille toene, piepartig.. und die aendern sich je nachdem wie man die sensitivaet einstellt auch in hoehe.. sehr komisch ist das |
| 10:37.07 | edistar | oh, wrong channel :) sry |
| 10:41.02 | xcasex | edistar: i agree. my mbp sounds like a jumbojet takeoff as soon as the fans start ;D |
| 10:42.52 | zash | have you heard a 1U server? |
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| 10:44.01 | zash | "is there an airport nerby or did you boot a server?" |
| 10:45.36 | ScaredyCat | has that prob with a dell 2u server... the fans kick in full blast until they get a trigger in software.... which of course requires a supported kernel version... :/ |
| 10:46.26 | nezza-_- | ScaredyCat: maybe some bios option? cause my poweredge blasts only for the first 3 seconds |
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| 10:47.44 | ScaredyCat | mmm.. it's a 2650 ... I didn't see anything in the bios ... but I didn;t look too hard in there... |
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| 10:47.59 | dcordes | hi all |
| 10:48.02 | dcordes | thos, ping |
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| 10:50.00 | ashish | anyone mentor for gsoc |
| 10:52.09 | edistar | ashish: mickeyl :) |
| 10:52.40 | XorA | look for mickeyl|bossa to logon for mickey, he is at bossa conference |
| 10:54.27 | ashish | ok thanks |
| 10:54.36 | methril | everyone asking for SoC |
| 10:54.48 | methril | today it's a really good day |
| 10:55.08 | methril | the Openmoko mailing list updates are good!! PVT!! :) |
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| 10:56.02 | Daemonax | Waaaaah, might be out in April! :-( Why why why, everytime I check it's delayed. :-( |
| 10:56.33 | edistar | Daemonax: it's been end april for ages now.. :) |
| 10:57.25 | Daemonax | Oh well there may be some hope then. :-) |
| 10:57.42 | Daemonax | Though, I'll be in China then, earning much less. :-\ Hmm, I'll check review and see if it'll be worth it. |
| 10:58.35 | methril | maybe the last delay is the last :) |
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| 11:03.07 | ScaredyCat | thos: contacts look good now :D |
| 11:04.19 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4223 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in: |
| 11:04.19 | CIA-17 | openmoko: environment.in (SD_KERNEL): changed default kernel name for SD booting from |
| 11:04.19 | CIA-17 | openmoko: "uImage" to "uImage.bin", mimicking naming convention on buildhost |
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| 11:24.10 | ScaredyCat | hrmm... |
| 11:24.32 | ScaredyCat | how do I get the neo contacts db imported on my lappy... |
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| 11:39.48 | XorA | ScaredyCat: copy the eds files to your eds directory on laptop |
| 11:40.54 | ScaredyCat | where are they located? |
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| 11:41.17 | zash | ~.evolution? |
| 11:41.19 | zash | i think |
| 11:41.48 | zash | ~.evolution/addressbook/local/system/addressbook.db |
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| 11:42.12 | ScaredyCat | ok, I tried that. It just seemed to ignore it |
| 11:42.40 | XorA | get openstink working :-) |
| 11:43.35 | zash | lol |
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| 13:24.20 | dcordes | thos, reminder: include qvga icon theme into standard theme ;) |
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| 13:38.05 | ScaredyCat | dcordes: you should be able to install from my repo |
| 13:38.26 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, it's about creating teh image |
| 13:39.22 | dcordes | I already installed it from angstrom repo for experimental purpose but I'd like to make worqing qvga image. also thos idea to get rid of the qvga packages is pretty good imho |
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| 13:48.07 | HdR | Some questions about Freerunner and Openmoko: calling somebody, incoming calls (with sound/vibration alert), send/receive sms already works? |
| 13:49.15 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:49.34 | SpeedEvil | well - there are assorted breakages with different builds over time. |
| 13:49.36 | SpeedEvil | But largely. |
| 13:49.44 | SpeedEvil | And freerunner is not yet available. |
| 13:49.53 | SpeedEvil | Unless you sleep with the right person. |
| 13:49.58 | HdR | and standbytime is more than one day? ^^ |
| 13:50.08 | HdR | SpeedEvil: i would try =) |
| 13:50.08 | nezza-_- | HdR: standby or sleep? ;) |
| 13:50.16 | Qwell | off without the battery in? |
| 13:50.21 | Stephmw | HdR: it's not a consumer device - PM doesn't need to be working right just yet |
| 13:51.06 | HdR | nezza-_-: standby, so somebody can call me |
| 13:51.26 | SpeedEvil | Standby time is hard to do. |
| 13:51.29 | nezza-_- | yes |
| 13:51.33 | nezza-_- | its very difficult |
| 13:51.37 | SpeedEvil | In principle it should be >1week |
| 13:51.57 | SpeedEvil | This is with the thing in suspend to RAM with GSM on, with wake-on-ring |
| 13:52.31 | SpeedEvil | A year or so should be possible with suspend-disk, with wake on timer every day polling for messages. |
| 13:52.42 | SpeedEvil | But this isn't really a useful mode for most. |
| 13:52.50 | HdR | =) |
| 13:54.18 | HdR | well i want to buy the freerunner, but at least i want be able to phone and send/receive SMS, so i don't need to have 2 phones ;) |
| 13:54.46 | SpeedEvil | The current images - some of them - for the GTA01 do that. |
| 13:55.03 | kdean06 | HdR, I use the Neo as my primary phone. Lack of battery is a MUCH bigger issue than I anticipated it would be BUT it's still functional as a phone and to send text messages. :) |
| 13:55.07 | SpeedEvil | There are occasional builds that don't - but that's less of an issue. |
| 13:55.13 | kdean06 | Plus a basic media player. :) |
| 13:55.17 | kdean06 | Most of the time. :) |
| 13:55.32 | HdR | kdean06: ah right, i forget the media player ^^ |
| 13:55.36 | SpeedEvil | 10 print "TheRing.mpg" |
| 13:55.49 | ScaredyCat | 20 goto 10 |
| 13:56.18 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: that's advanced unsupported playlist features though. |
| 13:56.25 | kdean06 | Not funny. :P |
| 13:56.58 | nezza-_- | ymmd ^^ basic media player *laughing* |
| 13:57.43 | HdR | well thanks for your answers ;) |
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| 14:05.51 | Qwell | kdean06: plus intarweb? |
| 14:06.02 | kdean06 | Sorry, huh? |
| 14:06.18 | Qwell | <kdean06> HdR, I use the Neo as my primary phone[...] |
| 14:06.33 | kdean06 | Oh. No, I don't use the internet on it. |
| 14:06.51 | kdean06 | It's not set up by default and I have no pressing need to do it. Though... The urge has been flaring. :P |
| 14:06.56 | kdean06 | So I might try that today and see. :) |
| 14:07.09 | kdean06 | I'm wondering if media player can stream... |
| 14:08.56 | ScaredyCat | points at mplayer or mpg123 |
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| 14:13.47 | kbingham | anyone use the make qemu in ubuntu? |
| 14:14.07 | kbingham | mines getting a qemu: fatl: trying to execute code oustide RAM or ROM at 0x00000000 |
| 14:14.35 | kbingham | followed by register dump and openmoko/flash.sh: line 91: 9253 Aborted |
| 14:14.45 | Qwell | kbingham: the latest images have been doing that |
| 14:15.06 | kbingham | is it easy to roll back ? |
| 14:16.47 | wurp2|gone | SpeedEvil: It looks as if you're saying above that there are images that do SMS, phone, and suspend with wake on ring properly |
| 14:17.00 | wurp2 | If you know what image that is, I would love to hear it :-) |
| 14:17.27 | wurp2 | HdR: On the Neo 1973, the battery life is 4-6 hours, 7 at the very max with almost no usage, if you're lucky. |
| 14:17.50 | wurp2 | There have been reports that some daily images supported suspend with wake on ring - those had a battery life of >20 hours |
| 14:18.20 | wurp2 | But based purely on what I've read on the mailing lists re: FreeRunner, suspend & wake on ring appear to already be working on it |
| 14:18.24 | HdR | wurp2: any idea, if it's the same with freerunner? |
| 14:18.49 | wurp2 | But based purely on what I've read on the mailing lists re: FreeRunner, suspend & wake on ring appear to already be working on the mailing lists, not any personal experience |
| 14:19.20 | HdR | i pressed return, before i finished reading ;) |
| 14:19.45 | wurp2 | And like SpeedEvil says, all evidence points to suspend life > 1 week (9 days or more) on the FreeRunner, once power mgmt is all working properly |
| 14:19.51 | wurp2 | but who knows when that would be :-) |
| 14:20.33 | HdR | with standbylife of about 3 dasy i would be happy ;) |
| 14:20.38 | wurp2 | oops, and apparently I cursored up and typed my next message at the end of my prior one; sorry for the repeat |
| 14:22.44 | HdR | wurp2: no problem ;) |
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| 14:32.15 | SpeedEvil | I have in one case gotten an active battery life of around 500h from the neo. However, this was running it from a car battery. |
| 14:32.38 | thos | haha |
| 14:32.56 | thos | SpeedEvil, perhaps we should suggest this to OpenMoko as an optional accessory :) |
| 14:32.58 | SpeedEvil | ponders supplying backpack power units. |
| 14:33.09 | SpeedEvil | It's a power supply and a workout in one! |
| 14:33.28 | thos | win! |
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| 14:34.15 | SpeedEvil | Though speaking practically, you'd probably want a teeny generator that could be foot-pedaled in 5 mins to charge a lithium cell at high rate. |
| 14:34.35 | Qwell | foot-pedal? it's all about the crank. |
| 14:35.03 | thos | I think foot pedal is easier |
| 14:35.11 | thos | you have to hold the other end of the crank somehow |
| 14:35.31 | SpeedEvil | The point of the foot pedal would be to put in serious amounts of power very quickly. |
| 14:35.53 | SpeedEvil | For example, one A123 cell (2.2Ah 3.3V) can be charged at 70W |
| 14:36.11 | SpeedEvil | So you'd charge it for 5 mins, then have 10h of power |
| 14:36.15 | SpeedEvil | Or whatever |
| 14:38.43 | dcordes | hi thos |
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| 14:41.59 | thos | hi |
| 14:42.21 | thos | dcordes, ah yes, 22x22 icons |
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| 14:47.34 | dcordes | thos, yep |
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| 15:00.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4224 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/moko-history.c): |
| 15:00.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-19 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 15:00.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/moko-history.c: Add a "Save" button to the call log window |
| 15:00.54 | RedDog | dfu-util is now in usr/bin/? Then mokomakefile needs a refresh ;-) |
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| 15:04.50 | ScaredyCat | mutters at the "FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??" |
| 15:05.26 | ScaredyCat | I'd be happy if the community could fecking learn to reply to the thread and not keep starting new messages... |
| 15:05.32 | ScaredyCat | bunch o useless mofos |
| 15:06.14 | thos | ScaredyCat, give up hope now :-P |
| 15:06.21 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:06.40 | thos | dcordes, did I see a bug about openmoko qvga icon theme? |
| 15:06.41 | ScaredyCat | your save button just got in then :) ^^ |
| 15:07.15 | thos | well er |
| 15:07.17 | thos | I committed it |
| 15:07.35 | thos | but all it does is bring up a dialog right now |
| 15:07.45 | thos | I need to figure out how to actually implement "add to contact" |
| 15:07.58 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 15:08.07 | thos | plus I was going to do this icon thing for dcordes, so wanted to get it out the way |
| 15:08.10 | thos | plus I was going to do this icon thing for dcordes, so wanted to get it out the way |
| 15:08.22 | ScaredyCat | echo echo echo |
| 15:08.29 | thos | stupid scroll |
| 15:08.33 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:08.43 | thos | ScaredyCat, you're obviously not a programmer :-P |
| 15:09.05 | thos | unfortantly technology hasn't got to "think and make it happen" stage yet |
| 15:09.08 | wurp2 | thos: You can add to contact via dbus by sending a VCARD formatted message |
| 15:09.19 | wurp2 | s/d to /d a / |
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| 15:09.31 | ScaredyCat | no I've never done any programming, ever thos... |
| 15:09.39 | thos | wurp2, what interface |
| 15:09.45 | wurp2 | lemme look |
| 15:09.46 | dcordes | thos, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 |
| 15:09.46 | thos | wurp2, and that's not actually what I need to do |
| 15:09.53 | wurp2 | I put it all out on the dbus api page on the wiki |
| 15:10.02 | wurp2 | heh, in that case maybe I needn't go look ;-) |
| 15:10.05 | thos | wurp2, I need to add a phone number to an existing contact |
| 15:10.17 | wurp2 | thos: I'm sure you can do that too... |
| 15:10.18 | thos | wurp2, or, I need to create a new contact with a phone number |
| 15:10.27 | thos | wurp2, dig out this wiki page :-) |
| 15:10.29 | wurp2 | lemme look |
| 15:10.47 | Qwell | does openmoko save contacts to SIM, or flash? afaik, SIM storage can't do multiple numbers per contact |
| 15:10.56 | Qwell | that, or maybe my phone is just terrible |
| 15:11.07 | ScaredyCat | it copies from the sim |
| 15:11.08 | wurp2 | thos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dbus_device_API |
| 15:11.28 | ScaredyCat | but updates it if you change one that came from there (apparently) |
| 15:11.29 | wurp2 | Qwell: I think you're right. OM saves contacts in evolution format |
| 15:11.55 | wurp2 | Any functionality for reading contacts from SIM into OM contacts is new, I believe |
| 15:12.12 | wurp2 | I hope, anyway, since I wrote a script to do that for me a couple of weeks ago |
| 15:12.15 | ScaredyCat | new is a reltive term. |
| 15:12.18 | ScaredyCat | relative |
| 15:12.25 | ScaredyCat | it's been in there for over week |
| 15:12.45 | ScaredyCat | s/ week/ a week/ |
| 15:12.47 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: that's ancient |
| 15:12.50 | thos | Qwell, you're correct, sim can only store name + one number |
| 15:12.54 | wurp2 | Yeah, but no one using a 1973 as their primary phone is using an image that new :-) |
| 15:13.02 | ScaredyCat | errm, I am |
| 15:13.03 | thos | wurp2, i fail to see any contacts interface here :-) |
| 15:13.23 | wurp2 | thos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Org_gnome_evolution_dataserver_AddressBook._org_gnome_evolution_dataserver_addressbook_file_3a_2f_2f_2f_home_2f_root_2f_2e_evolution_2f_addressbook_2f_local_2f_system |
| 15:13.27 | ScaredyCat | my phone is running an image from today |
| 15:13.29 | wurp2 | Is the contacts interface |
| 15:13.59 | thos | wurp2, well, that's the eds dbus interface |
| 15:14.32 | thos | wurp2, no way am I using that interface directly |
| 15:15.19 | thos | wurp2, I'd prefer a org.openmoko.Contacts interface |
| 15:15.32 | thos | wurp2, well, when I say prefer, I mean, "might be interesting" |
| 15:15.43 | wurp2 | thos: If there is one, it's not exposed by walking the dbus hierarchy |
| 15:15.53 | methril | monotone.openmoko.org disconnected? |
| 15:15.59 | thos | wurp2, there isn't one |
| 15:16.00 | wurp2 | The stuff on the dbus api page is everything accessible by walking dbus |
| 15:16.33 | wurp2 | Yeah, I wasn't happy about the file name embedded in the interface name either :-) |
| 15:16.57 | thos | wurp2, I'm contemplating adding one for the call log stuff, or just re-using some of the contacts widgets instead |
| 15:16.59 | wurp2 | But I was just writing a script to tide me over, not permanent OM code |
| 15:18.00 | wurp2 | thos: That would be nice... it seems to me that there's a lot of dbus work that could be done pretty trivially that would enable a lot of cool features to be written easily by the community |
| 15:18.15 | thos | wurp2, you prefer the dbus idea? |
| 15:18.28 | thos | wurp2, I could add it to PhoneKit instead actually, which might have a performance benefit |
| 15:18.49 | thos | wurp2, e.g. org.openmoko.PhoneKit.Contacts |
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| 15:20.13 | thos | maybe, org.openmoko.PhoneKit.Contacts.add_number_to_contact (contactid, number, type) |
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| 15:23.27 | wurp2 | thos: I personally prefer dbus |
| 15:23.49 | wurp2 | thos: Since it's already defined as an interface standard, and your code is then already ported to many languages |
| 15:24.19 | thos | wurp2, ? |
| 15:24.35 | thos | wurp2, you prefer dbus to what? |
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| 15:25.06 | wurp2 | thos: Maybe I misunderstood when you said "you prefer the dbus idea?" |
| 15:25.40 | thos | oh sorry, i'd moved on :-) |
| 15:25.47 | wurp2 | OK, np |
| 15:26.07 | goxboxlive | ~topic |
| 15:26.11 | wurp2 | I was distracted with the stuff I'm actually getting paid to do for a bit there |
| 15:26.52 | HdR | !topic |
| 15:27.02 | HdR | sry wrong channel ;) |
| 15:42.33 | wurp2 | unknown_lamer: You have me reading Practical Common Lisp :-) |
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| 15:56.25 | dcordes | thos, found time for icons yet? :) |
| 15:56.42 | thos | dcordes, i've done "svn add" on them |
| 15:56.52 | thos | not got round to "svn commit" yet ;-) |
| 15:57.10 | dcordes | oki thx again |
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| 16:03.54 | methril | bye |
| 16:06.17 | Kensan | dcordes: Marcel_M built you an image. Check #neo1973-germany. |
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| 16:26.23 | mwester | "Practical Common Lisp" --- isn't that an oxymoron? :p :D |
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| 16:42.45 | wurp2 | mwester: He mentions that in the foreword :-) |
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| 16:50.47 | jmichel | Today when I'm building an OM image I'm getting the error: "oe_sha256sum: command not found" |
| 16:51.53 | jmichel | this executable is in my OM folder in ./build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/oe_sha256sum |
| 16:52.38 | jmichel | Is there any config file I should change to point to the good location ? |
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| 16:57.20 | torpor | gentlemen, what do i do about this? |
| 16:57.20 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.05 | mwester | torpor: Oh dear. Nothing to do for it, except to package up your Neo and mail it to me. |
| 17:00.24 | torpor | mwester: whats your address? |
| 17:00.30 | mwester | hehe! |
| 17:00.46 | ScaredyCat | torpor: where have you been ... not paying attention obviously.. |
| 17:00.52 | torpor | seriously though, come on.. i wanna catch up with you guys. what do i have to do to fix my mokomakefile environment and sort it out? |
| 17:01.03 | torpor | yeah i'm not paying attention. its been weeks since i had my openmoko even charged up ready to go. |
| 17:01.04 | ScaredyCat | blow away your tmp dir and do a full rebuild |
| 17:01.06 | mwester | Well, of course, you might try deleting your build/tmp directory, and rebulding. |
| 17:01.13 | torpor | but tonight that changes. tonight, i return to my openmoko project. |
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| 17:01.17 | torpor | oh shit. |
| 17:01.22 | ScaredyCat | yes. |
| 17:01.26 | torpor | so just rm -rf tmp/ |
| 17:01.27 | torpor | ? |
| 17:01.34 | ScaredyCat | tomorrow you return to your openmoko project |
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| 17:01.45 | torpor | ok |
| 17:01.48 | torpor | so just rm -rf tmp/ ? |
| 17:01.50 | ScaredyCat | ${OMDIR}/build/tmp/ |
| 17:01.55 | torpor | ABI change. damn, i missed that. |
| 17:02.25 | mwester | Yeah, I've gotten to the point where when I forsee an opportunity to "play", I'll try to get a new build lauched 24 hours in advance -- because the "delete everything and start over" solution occurs rather often. |
| 17:03.10 | torpor | question now is do i just do make update or make update-bleeding-edge, or .. hmm .. |
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| 17:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1283 has been created by lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de |
| 17:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-theme-standard2-qvga not working |
| 17:05.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1283 |
| 17:05.49 | torpor | well off she goes. |
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| 17:06.28 | ScaredyCat | you might as well do bleeding edge |
| 17:06.55 | ScaredyCat | otherwise you would probably just be better off using standard images |
| 17:07.03 | dcordes | thos, up for another qvga issue :) ? |
| 17:07.10 | thos | heh |
| 17:07.19 | thos | dcordes, i'm still makeing the rest of these icons |
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| 17:15.35 | torpor | task 27 of 5373 |
| 17:15.37 | torpor | W00T |
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| 17:16.08 | ScaredyCat | You didn;t really blow away your tmp dir - did you ? |
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| 17:33.38 | ScaredyCat | Arrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:36.21 | Stephmw | calls the ambulance - we've gotta get that Neo surgically removed from ScaredyCat's arse... |
| 17:36.45 | ScaredyCat | rings the phone |
| 17:37.00 | ScaredyCat | I hate that stupid keyboard thing |
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| 17:39.44 | unknown_lamer | wurp2: yay :-) |
| 17:39.50 | affen | ipkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad |
| 17:39.51 | affen | ipkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod |
| 17:39.51 | affen | ipkg install matchbox-keyboard-im |
| 17:39.51 | affen | ipkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet |
| 17:39.51 | affen | ipkg install openmoko-keyboard |
| 17:39.53 | affen | blah |
| 17:39.56 | affen | Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.gz |
| 17:39.56 | affen | Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/Packages.sig |
| 17:39.57 | affen | Signature check failed |
| 17:41.13 | torpor | ScaredyCat: yes. i did. please tell me why i sholdn't have? |
| 17:41.28 | ScaredyCat | teehee... |
| 17:41.32 | ScaredyCat | only kidding ... |
| 17:41.36 | ScaredyCat | hides |
| 17:41.49 | ahven | my bad, dns unconfigured |
| 17:42.07 | CVirus | [19:33] <DarKnesS_WolF> openmoko seems to be a scam i'm not sure really .... |
| 17:42.08 | CVirus | LOL |
| 17:42.51 | ahven | stares at the phone and mutters: there is no Neo1973, there is no Neo1973 |
| 17:43.07 | ScaredyCat | CVirus: where was that? |
| 17:43.18 | CVirus | ScaredyCat: a private conversation with a friend |
| 17:43.26 | ScaredyCat | oh, ok.. |
| 17:43.37 | ahven | yay, media player plays the full length of the song :) |
| 17:43.38 | CVirus | ScaredyCat: he waited for the GTA02 until he bought an iPhone |
| 17:44.03 | ahven | can he ssh into it? :) |
| 17:44.03 | torpor | really it does seem to be a bit of a scam at times. at least, thats a common reaction i get from people who are/were interested in the neo, but are not any more .. |
| 17:44.10 | ScaredyCat | well, if he has an iphone then he can afford a neo too |
| 17:44.11 | torpor | same happens to me a lot too |
| 17:47.40 | wurp2 | it's not a scam, it's just a different way of setting release expectations |
| 17:47.57 | wurp2 | which doesn't seem to be working very well on some people, but hey, you don't know until you try it |
| 17:48.14 | fgau | https://www.yoss.de/openmoko/en_preorder.htm |
| 17:48.18 | CVirus | people are losing interest |
| 17:48.49 | wurp2 | Some people give up & lose interest, some give up & buy a 1973 ;-) |
| 17:48.56 | CVirus | 400 EUROS ?? |
| 17:49.06 | fgau | jep |
| 17:49.13 | wurp2 | CVirus: Heh, took the words right out of my mouth |
| 17:49.22 | wurp2 | Someone is making a nice profit |
| 17:49.28 | wurp2 | assuming that they sell any |
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| 17:50.09 | ahven | is there an (easy?) way to switch off the speakers while using headphones? |
| 17:50.10 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:50.16 | ahven | like through the Media Player |
| 17:50.43 | wurp2 | ahven: The speakers should switch off automatically when you plug in the headset... |
| 17:50.51 | wurp2 | They do for me |
| 17:50.59 | wurp2 | On all the releases I've used, even |
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| 17:51.06 | ahven | hmm |
| 17:51.09 | ahven | strange then |
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| 17:51.35 | wurp2 | ahven: If you have the headset plugged in when you boot, it screws it up |
| 17:51.37 | ahven | ah, they are off |
| 17:51.44 | wurp2 | but yanking them & plugging them back in fixes it |
| 17:51.44 | ahven | didn't have them in them |
| 17:55.56 | ScaredyCat | are thay supposed to be an official distributor fgau? |
| 17:56.08 | ahven | but seems that audio is working A+ in todays build |
| 17:56.46 | wurp2 | ahven: Woohoo! |
| 17:56.57 | wurp2 | Even after multiple boots? ;-) |
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| 17:57.20 | ahven | second boot - audio present :) |
| 17:58.30 | wurp2 | It would sure be nice to update to a new build after 3-4 weeks |
| 18:00.25 | ahven | gstreamer is bitching about some mp3-s |
| 18:00.39 | ScaredyCat | sure it's mp3's n not wavs? |
| 18:00.47 | ahven | mp3 |
| 18:01.08 | ScaredyCat | mine bitaches about wavs |
| 18:01.16 | CVirus | LOL |
| 18:01.46 | wurp2 | It has always bitched about some mp3s for me |
| 18:01.52 | ahven | it plays the 192kbit/s bitrate mp3 |
| 18:01.56 | ahven | but bitches about 128 :P |
| 18:02.03 | wurp2 | I keep planning to encode at least those guys as ogg, but haven't gotten aroudn to it yet |
| 18:02.08 | wurp2 | ah, that explains it |
| 18:02.23 | wurp2 | Did you get a detailed bitch, or go look at some log somewhere or dupe the problem on the command line? |
| 18:03.02 | ahven | will launch it from a console to see |
| 18:03.19 | wurp2 | ahven: Do you 'just know' which of your mp3s are 128kbit? |
| 18:03.25 | wurp2 | I'm just wondering how you knew what the issue was |
| 18:03.47 | wurp2 | because in Media Player I just get a generic 'gstreamer crapped out' message |
| 18:04.08 | ahven | Internal data flow error (gstreamer error) |
| 18:04.26 | ahven | omp_mplayback_load_video_from_uri: file:///media/card/mp3/Justmade-Cry.mp3 |
| 18:04.26 | ahven | is_video = 0 |
| 18:04.26 | ahven | ** Message: don't know how to handle application/x-apetag |
| 18:04.30 | ahven | x-apetag?:P |
| 18:05.50 | ahven | gstreamer error: You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins. |
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| 18:06.22 | wurp2 | yeah, that was it, sorry |
| 18:06.50 | ScaredyCat | ipkg kill kill them all |
| 18:07.02 | abraxa_ | ahven: That message appears if you don't have a plugin installed that handles (=filters) the ape tags in mp3s |
| 18:07.20 | abraxa_ | gstreamer chokes if you attempt playing those otherwise |
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| 18:08.31 | ahven | boot 3 - let there be sound |
| 18:08.55 | wurp2 | and X |
| 18:08.57 | ahven | abraxa_: so the resolution is to install something? |
| 18:09.00 | ahven | yep :) |
| 18:09.17 | abraxa_ | ahven: Yeah, lemme check which package it was |
| 18:10.20 | wurp2 | Anyone played with adding things to the Calendar app? |
| 18:10.53 | wurp2 | I can see the top of some fields down at the bottom of the page for adding an event, but I can't scroll down to do anything with them |
| 18:11.02 | wurp2 | And it seems to have locked up when I tried to finish the add |
| 18:11.22 | ScaredyCat | gst-plugin-* |
| 18:12.13 | abraxa_ | ahven: Well, the ape demuxer is in gst-plugins-good, though I don't remember if that was all that was needed to fix that issue (it's been a while) |
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| 18:12.50 | ahven | abraxa_: thanks, will try |
| 18:12.51 | wurp2 | Hmm, we should have a 1973 problem & workaround page |
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| 18:13.01 | ahven | Package gst-plugins-good (0.10.6-r3) installed in root is up to date. |
| 18:13.01 | ahven | Nothing to be done |
| 18:13.15 | abraxa_ | ahven: Alright, let's see... |
| 18:14.51 | ScaredyCat | gst-plugin-adder ? |
| 18:18.12 | SpeedEvil | Anyone know why the phone might not be reachable (tcp) when I plug in usb and ifconfig usb0 |
| 18:18.23 | SpeedEvil | it takes a couple of hours then is noticable |
| 18:19.09 | ahven | still the same error(s) |
| 18:21.23 | abraxa_ | ahven: Is gst-plugin-apetag installed? Should be but checking won't harm |
| 18:21.49 | fgau | ScaredyCat: yes! |
| 18:22.14 | ScaredyCat | well, they can feck right off if they don't modify that price |
| 18:22.24 | fgau | ;) |
| 18:23.40 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, You mean despite having usb0 setup "Network is unreachable" ? |
| 18:24.18 | ScaredyCat | I have no recollection of that at this time senator. |
| 18:24.29 | edistar | does the wifi chip in gta02 do promisc mode? |
| 18:24.44 | mjr | no |
| 18:24.45 | ScaredyCat | nope, apparently not |
| 18:25.04 | ScaredyCat | points kdean06 at SpeedEvil .... |
| 18:25.06 | ahven | abraxa_: that was the problem, thanks :) |
| 18:25.16 | abraxa_ | ahven: You're welcome |
| 18:25.38 | mjr | it's a proprietary firmware thing |
| 18:27.43 | kdean06 | Oh, sorry... |
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| 18:32.16 | wurp2 | mjr: But since it's a firmware issue, the community may build a freeware driver that supports promisc |
| 18:34.05 | mjr | wurp2, umm, no? |
| 18:34.51 | mjr | well, you could write your own firmware for the atheros chip, sure, if you go to enough trouble. Perhaps even get it installed, I don't know. And _then_ have a promisc. driver. |
| 18:34.58 | thos | dcordes, interesting |
| 18:35.05 | thos | dcordes, I've discovered some bugs in the icon theme :-) |
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| 18:35.47 | mjr | Promisc. mode was something though that wasn't completely out of the question for atheros to implement at some point. But really, for all practical purposes, it's up to them. |
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| 18:42.18 | kdean06 | thos, You guys working on a new OpenMoko theme, revising the old or working on a different project? |
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| 18:44.13 | thos | kdean06, dcordes had some problems with a qvga version of the openmoko theme |
| 18:44.14 | thos | er |
| 18:44.17 | thos | openmoko icon theme |
| 18:44.25 | kdean06 | Oh, okay yeah. :) |
| 18:44.28 | thos | and I suggested that there shouldn't be a qvga version of the openmoko icon theme |
| 18:44.38 | thos | because icon themes can already contain multiple sizes :-) |
| 18:44.41 | thos | so I'm fixing |
| 18:44.55 | thos | kdean06, but if you have ideas for a new theme, I can certainly work with you :-) |
| 18:46.00 | kdean06 | No, I was wondering if your theme tweaking would have caused a trivial issue I'm seeing. |
| 18:46.03 | seaLne | hiya i've got a loan of a friends gta01 and i'm trying to get it to the uboot prompt so i can flash a new image to it, but after removing battery for over 30 sec and putting back in as soon as i plug the usb cable in it boots normally even if i hold the aux button (note i haven't pressed the power button) am i doing something wrong? |
| 18:46.15 | thos | kdean06, what's the issue? |
| 18:46.29 | kdean06 | The X root screen doesn't show the "Please wait" image. |
| 18:46.35 | thos | seaLne, hold the aux + power button while you plug it in |
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| 18:46.45 | thos | kdean06, ah, nothing to do with me I'm afraid |
| 18:46.45 | kdean06 | It's just the grey "test pattern" of X. |
| 18:46.54 | kdean06 | That's fine, as I said, trivial. :P |
| 18:47.46 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4225 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (3 files in 3 dirs): icons: auto-generate makefiles, fixes a few omissions |
| 18:48.51 | wurp2 | seaLne: I *think* it boots automatically when you plug in the power cable unless you do a 'real' shutdown |
| 18:48.59 | seaLne | thos: thanks that was it |
| 18:49.06 | wurp2 | seaLne: So if you have difficulty holding down two buttons... nm ;-) |
| 18:49.49 | seaLne | wurp2: i wasn't holding both aux and power in before plugging the usb in my misunderstanding, i was planning to press it after plugging in the usb :) |
| 18:50.50 | wurp2 | seaLne: Yeah, I was just gonna suggest that if you run out of fingers before getting all that done simultaneously, you can boot all the way, shut down properly, then plug in the cable w/o it coming on |
| 18:51.00 | wurp2 | Then hold power while you press aux |
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| 18:53.46 | seaLne | should ttyACM0 be autocreated? |
| 18:55.31 | kdean06 | It does on Debian Sid. |
| 18:56.18 | wurp2 | and Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 18:56.41 | seaLne | gutsy i'm using, hmm |
| 18:57.05 | wurp2 | You have to run dfu-util as root |
| 18:57.31 | wurp2 | at least, I do |
| 18:57.31 | seaLne | i was trying with cu as root |
| 18:58.12 | wurp2 | I use screen |
| 18:58.18 | kdean06 | seaLne, cu failed spectacularly for me. "screen /dev/ttyACM0" works well. |
| 18:58.19 | wurp2 | "screen /dev/ttyACM0" |
| 18:58.48 | kdean06 | Though if the device node isn't created, that may not be an issue of cu. |
| 18:59.47 | seaLne | yeah even after creating it manaully cu couldn't access it "cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied" "cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use" |
| 18:59.51 | kdean06 | seaLne, Try "lsmod | grep "cdc" to check if the modules are loaded on your PC. |
| 18:59.57 | kdean06 | Oh! |
| 19:00.18 | kdean06 | Hrm... I've seen that before... |
| 19:00.22 | mwester | For all things tty-related, adding your user id to the "uucp" group makes life so much better... |
| 19:00.36 | seaLne | if it dosen't work as root... |
| 19:00.59 | seaLne | should it show up in lsusb? it isn't |
| 19:01.23 | mwester | :) I'm not smart enough to do things as root. I'm too likely to make a mistake and cause some major damage, so I prefer to run as a normal user. |
| 19:01.39 | mwester | Yes, lsusb should show the device. |
| 19:01.52 | seaLne | removing battery and going to try again |
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| 19:02.09 | wurp2 | mwester: Thanks for the recommendation, I'll do that |
| 19:02.27 | kdean06 | screen doesn't need to be run as root, though dfu-util does. |
| 19:02.48 | mwester | Yeah, dfu-util goes directlyt ot he usb stuff, and needs root. |
| 19:03.21 | mwester | The issue is basically that the serial ports /dev/ttyXXX are all set to be owned by uucp.uucp and lack world write permissions. |
| 19:03.55 | wurp2 | mwester: I never looked at the perms. I'm lazy, and sudo worked, so... |
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| 19:06.13 | seaLne | hmm lsusb didn't see it, ttyACM0 existed for a short while but cu complained as before, then ttyACM0 disapeared looks like usb disconnect hmm :( |
| 19:06.54 | cb22 | has an idea: usb mouse, with a hub and http://www.instructables.com/id/MintyBoost!---Small-battery-powered-USB-charger/ built into it |
| 19:07.05 | cb22 | and naturally a mini usb connector on the other end |
| 19:07.43 | seaLne | it seems as if as soon as i try to connect to it i get a usb disconnect weird and this time after the disconnect it started booting |
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| 19:08.00 | mwester | seaLne: Is the battery charged? |
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| 19:08.15 | seaLne | yes |
| 19:08.58 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.14 | mwester | Ok. Try unplugging it from USB and removing the battery - let sit for some minutes. Install battery, hold AUX, push power until splash screen appears, release AUX -- you should be in the bootloader menu. |
| 19:09.18 | kdean06 | Yep. :) |
| 19:09.24 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: just put a xsplash-vga.ppm in /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 19:09.39 | mwester | Let it sit that way for a minute or so. Then plug in the USB. It should stay in the boot menu. |
| 19:09.54 | kdean06 | I'm not upset that it's not there. :) I'm just pointing it out. |
| 19:10.05 | seaLne | mwester: will try, thx |
| 19:10.16 | kdean06 | Though thanks. :) I didn't realize that was the image. Now I can replace it with other... um... images. |
| 19:10.24 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 19:10.41 | mwester | You should see the ttyACM device appear when USB is plugged in, and it should stay there. If it seems to be stable, then "cu" to the ttyACM device, and you should end up in the bootloader. |
| 19:10.52 | mwester | If something goes wrong in this process, let us know where. |
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| 19:13.17 | seaLne | mwester: just to confirm put battery in -> press aux+power -> plug usb in? |
| 19:13.40 | mwester | Yes, but pause at each step. |
| 19:14.00 | seaLne | o plug in usb after uboot screen? |
| 19:14.00 | kdean06 | You should hold down AUX and power the device on while holding AUX. Just to make that clear. :) |
| 19:14.12 | cb22 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014225.html yay, i wonder what they are going to do with all the testing neos? |
| 19:14.18 | seaLne | kdean06: yep |
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| 19:16.18 | mwester | cb22: apply hammer to them, and discard. |
| 19:16.56 | mwester | (that's what most manufacturers do with test runs, except for a small sample that might be locked up and saved) |
| 19:17.27 | seaLne | this time after selecting usb console in uboot a few seconds later it booted |
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| 19:17.58 | mwester | Ah, sounds like your autoboot timer is set rather low. |
| 19:18.11 | mwester | No worries then, that would explain it. |
| 19:18.21 | cb22 | mwester: only a hammer? i'd think they'd come up with some create way of doing it |
| 19:18.24 | cb22 | creative* |
| 19:18.34 | mwester | :D But hammers are cheap. |
| 19:19.03 | cb22 | i have an idea, stack them all in a line, and see how many a .50 will go through |
| 19:19.08 | cb22 | perfect for mythbusters! |
| 19:19.28 | ccfly | isn't there a throwing competition for phone in Finland? |
| 19:19.31 | ccfly | pohnes |
| 19:19.34 | ccfly | dammit |
| 19:19.36 | ccfly | phones |
| 19:19.42 | mwester | I like all those ideas. |
| 19:20.09 | ccfly | http://www.scandinavica.com/culture/sports/phonethrowing.htm |
| 19:20.13 | cb22 | not to mention.. will it blend? |
| 19:20.26 | mwester | Maybe a contest to see who can come up with the best means of wreaking vengeance on cell phones in general. |
| 19:20.36 | ccfly | openmoko sponsored geek team :> |
| 19:20.54 | cb22 | hmm, i'd like to do that to my p990 as soon as i get a freerunner |
| 19:21.00 | ScaredyCat | wants one of each colour of the 01 once the 02 is out |
| 19:21.09 | mwester | All two of them? |
| 19:21.23 | cb22 | you can have the '02 in any colour, as long as its blackj |
| 19:21.34 | ScaredyCat | mwester: 3 ... |
| 19:21.41 | ScaredyCat | but the green is special... |
| 19:21.45 | ScaredyCat | I still want it |
| 19:21.55 | kdean06 | seaLne, Are you able to get into /dev/ttyACM0 yet? |
| 19:22.13 | seaLne | should the screen go blank and neo appear to poweroff after a few seconds? |
| 19:22.24 | kdean06 | You can extend that timer if you can issue the command. Pressing AUX will reset the timer while you do it. |
| 19:22.37 | seaLne | kdean06: nope, when ttyACM0 does exit i get permission errors |
| 19:22.41 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 19:23.12 | seaLne | and it never shows up in lsusb but dmesg notices it appearing |
| 19:23.21 | `pwgen` | *G* openmoko with icewem + xkbd + gtk .. it works .. |
| 19:23.42 | cb22 | so, i've never ever built anything related to openmoko / openembedded before: what distro should i install to make my life easy? |
| 19:24.13 | Blastur | most should work, there is a guide that covers most distros on the wiki |
| 19:24.22 | Blastur | debian, ubuntu, gentoo, feodora.. whatever |
| 19:24.42 | cb22 | is there a step by step guide somewhere on it? |
| 19:24.42 | ScaredyCat | windows 98 |
| 19:25.02 | ScaredyCat | where does ipkg stuff the files it downloads? |
| 19:25.18 | dcordes | thos, hey again.what's wrong with the icon themes? |
| 19:25.21 | `pwgen` | type "getting started openebedded " in google |
| 19:25.53 | seaLne | woo got connected with screen |
| 19:25.55 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, windows 98se please |
| 19:26.09 | jmichel | Has anybody seen this error while building a new image? "/usr/bin/autoreconf: unrecognized option `--exclude=autopoint'" |
| 19:26.15 | `pwgen` | cb22: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 19:26.54 | Blastur | and in particular: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
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| 19:27.20 | cb22 | `pwgen`, Blastur: thanks |
| 19:29.34 | thos | dvarnes, nothing? |
| 19:29.36 | thos | er |
| 19:29.40 | thos | dcordes, nothing? |
| 19:29.50 | thos | dcordes, I'm just about to commit that change for you |
| 19:30.43 | thos | prepare for flood from CIA-17 :-0 |
| 19:30.53 | seaLne | ok i'm now happily writing stuff with dfu-util no idea why i was having problems thanks everyone |
| 19:31.32 | dcordes | thos, cool thanks again. did you see my request about the other qvga problem? |
| 19:31.38 | dcordes | openned a bug on this |
| 19:32.53 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4226 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/ (46 files in 8 dirs): icons: add more 22x22 icons for use with QVGA |
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| 19:33.12 | thos | dcordes, 46 files in 8 dirs :-D |
| 19:34.02 | wurp2 | cb22: My experience building OE with Ubuntu 7.10 has been frustrating |
| 19:34.07 | thos | dcordes, if you can test this out I'd be most grateful |
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| 19:34.15 | wurp2 | cb22: I know from several in here that it builds well on debia |
| 19:34.18 | dcordes | thos, did you drop the old package? |
| 19:34.22 | wurp2 | s/debia/debian/ |
| 19:34.27 | thos | dcordes, no, I don't have access to OE |
| 19:34.38 | dcordes | thos, did an rm -rf OE earlier. |
| 19:35.33 | thos | dcordes == lukas? |
| 19:35.52 | dcordes | thos, how do I build and try this now? also how does openmoko-image now it has to build this now instead of openmoko-theme-standard2-qvga which is specified for qvga devices in org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-ui.bb |
| 19:35.57 | dcordes | thos, yep |
| 19:36.03 | mwester | What needs to be dropped from OE? |
| 19:36.12 | dcordes | thos, I have a screenshot of the newly found issue |
| 19:36.30 | thos | dcordes, ok i'll try and take a look at your bug tomorrow |
| 19:36.48 | thos | dcordes, but I can't help with OE packaging issues i'm afraid |
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| 19:37.21 | dcordes | I wonder how one specifies which icons to use for which kind of display |
| 19:37.50 | dcordes | maybe somebody else can help out here? |
| 19:38.52 | kdean06 | wurp2, So, it seems Theora doesn't work but attempting other formats does. :P But they still don't play and I triggers a weird but interesting bug. |
| 19:39.20 | wurp2 | They still don't play? |
| 19:39.40 | kdean06 | No, I just get a black screen until I press the power button to kill the app. |
| 19:40.05 | wurp2 | Last time I checked mpeg1 played on mine, but killing it fubars the display |
| 19:40.22 | kdean06 | But once I killed it, the screen... flickers. The only way I can describe it is that old TV's used to have H and V controls where the image would scroll if you turned it... That happens. |
| 19:40.24 | wurp2 | I haven't tried lately, because I don't like hard booting it |
| 19:40.56 | Qwell | kdean06: what, mplayer? |
| 19:41.20 | kdean06 | The weird part is that it shows in screenshots! So it's not like it's messing with the device, it's as if it's ACTUALLY rendering this weird effects. :P |
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| 19:41.49 | Qwell | I've seen it do that on desktops, when using a "bad" vo driver |
| 19:42.05 | wurp2 | trying now |
| 19:42.47 | wurp2 | The screen just goes black for me too, now |
| 19:42.58 | wurp2 | I guess I haven't tried since my last upgrade |
| 19:42.59 | kdean06 | And resuming? |
| 19:43.10 | kdean06 | Err... Killing Media-player? |
| 19:43.15 | wurp2 | it seemed to work fine |
| 19:43.19 | kdean06 | Hrm... Okay. |
| 19:43.24 | wurp2 | I don't see the artifacts you're describing |
| 19:43.27 | wurp2 | or any others :-) |
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| 19:47.33 | abraxa_ | kdean06: The media player currently uses mplayer to play videos in a hack-ish way that's only meaningful on GTA01. It'll be replaced by a better solution, so no worries. |
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| 19:48.20 | kdean06 | I'm not pressed. :) I don't really care about video myself, but I wanted to see if this was repeatable. :) |
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| 19:49.47 | abraxa_ | Oh I'm sure it is, the sysfs paths have changed in the meanwhile I think and I totally forgot to update them in the media player (yes, they're hard-coded since it's pretty much proof-of-concept) |
| 19:54.53 | kdean06 | The "better solution" going ot be capable of streaming? |
| 19:55.04 | kdean06 | Actually, since mplayer is the core of this, is THIS one? :P |
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| 19:55.56 | fluke | good afternoon all! |
| 19:56.54 | abraxa_ | mplayer is only the playback engine because we need to decode everything in software. On GTA02 we have the glamo who does it in hardware, so mplayer won't be used any longer. Streams sure shouldn't be a problem. |
| 19:57.11 | Qwell | glamo? |
| 19:57.21 | abraxa_ | The GPU, yes |
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| 19:59.16 | kdean06 | abraxa_, But what about functional video for those who don't get an 02? Is video on 01 pretty much no-go? |
| 20:00.07 | dcordes | pH5, can you have a look at this? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1283 |
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| 20:01.30 | abraxa_ | kdean06: I do plan on integrating mplayer for GTA01 users more properly, though that's pretty tricky since it's not really suited for what we're abusing it for |
| 20:01.55 | Qwell | aalib |
| 20:02.33 | abraxa_ | heh :) |
| 20:04.34 | peter_harrison | morning all |
| 20:05.08 | peter_harrison | I'm trying to use mokomakefile and having a small problem: |
| 20:05.36 | peter_harrison | failed with signal 127, output: |
| 20:05.36 | peter_harrison | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.11 | abraxa_ | peter_harrison: Did you check if you have all the required software installed (e.g. git)? Did you try a "make update" to see if the .bb was updated? |
| 20:07.17 | pH5 | dcordes: the things you see in that screenshot are popups from libnotify, issued by the dialer iirc. it happens only when gsmd can't get a connection. |
| 20:07.45 | dcordes | pH5, ok so it's not an UI issue? |
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| 20:08.30 | pH5 | dcordes: it is, those popups should contain some message. "no network found" or whatever, I don't know. can't read them either because something is wrong with the theme :) |
| 20:09.15 | peter_harrison | I installed successfully all the dependencies. |
| 20:09.23 | dcordes | pH5, so it is a theme issue.. do you have any idea how this can occur? also the missing "decorations"? |
| 20:09.35 | peter_harrison | I'm running update now |
| 20:09.54 | pH5 | dcordes: nope. |
| 20:11.00 | dcordes | to my mind came that some dependencies have changed so qvga theme can't operate correctly ^^ |
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| 20:17.08 | kdean06 | wurp2, New review out today. :) |
| 20:17.30 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: the wiki contains inacurate info about your repository: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
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| 20:26.42 | wurp2 | kdean06: Excellent, thanks! |
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| 20:28.55 | wurp2 | Wow, looks like I'm finally upgrading again. Thanks again, Kevin! |
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| 20:29.31 | kdean06 | wurp2, Stop! |
| 20:29.43 | kdean06 | I may need to do my first ever errata... |
| 20:29.49 | kdean06 | I rebooted to no sound. :( |
| 20:29.54 | wurp2 | ack |
| 20:30.14 | kdean06 | I'm rebooting now to see what's happening, maybe it was a fluke. |
| 20:30.18 | wurp2 | I can't reflash for another couple of hours (until I get home) anyway, but thanks for the warning |
| 20:31.01 | kdean06 | I actually thought sound quality was noticably better, but now it seems I have no sound. :P |
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| 20:34.04 | wurp2 | mickey|brazil: How are the beaches? :-) |
| 20:35.06 | mickey|brazil | well... actually i have been spending most of the past three days in ACed conference rooms rather than beaches |
| 20:35.18 | mickey|brazil | i hope i have time on friday (public holiday) to go to the beach |
| 20:36.23 | mickey|brazil | saturday it's going back to FRA |
| 20:36.30 | ScaredyCat | fixed Kensan |
| 20:36.49 | wurp2 | You can't go to Brazil in March and not visit the beaches! |
| 20:38.14 | mickey|brazil | true |
| 20:40.08 | gi-el | huhu |
| 20:40.11 | gi-el | i've been to brazil |
| 20:40.16 | gi-el | and not visited the beaches |
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| 20:45.32 | vik | Is anyone able to convert the casing design IGES files into something that Open Source packages can use like .OBJ or .STL ? |
| 20:46.11 | thos | mickey|brazil! |
| 20:46.11 | thos | mickey|brazil, how's the conference going? |
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| 20:46.17 | thos | mickey|brazil, seen pippin ? |
| 20:46.40 | mickey|brazil | conference is over |
| 20:46.43 | mickey|brazil | was cool |
| 20:46.55 | mickey|brazil | talked to pippin for it |
| 20:47.05 | mickey|brazil | s/it/a bit/ |
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| 20:47.19 | thos | cool |
| 20:47.19 | thos | mickey|brazil, did he do a clutter talk? |
| 20:47.26 | ScaredyCat | pippin.... |
| 20:47.26 | mickey|brazil | yap |
| 20:48.08 | thos | mickey|brazil, I got illume and assassin runnin on my gta02v5 :-) |
| 20:48.08 | thos | mickey|brazil, we had a play with it in the office |
| 20:48.13 | ccfly | what ? Brazil, no beaches ? |
| 20:48.17 | ccfly | dear god |
| 20:48.17 | mickey|brazil | howsit? |
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| 20:48.21 | ccfly | blasphemy :> |
| 20:48.42 | thos | mickey|brazil, I also discovered if you accidently remove the config files, you get a full enlightenment desktop ;-) |
| 20:49.00 | mickey|brazil | nasty hidden feautre ;) |
| 20:49.23 | ccfly | some might find it to be a prefferable state :> |
| 20:49.24 | thos | mickey|brazil, I like one or two of the illume ideas, but it obviously needs quite a lot of work |
| 20:49.33 | thos | mickey|brazil, performance wise as well |
| 20:50.03 | mickey|brazil | yep |
| 20:50.14 | mickey|brazil | we cant do full screen scrolling |
| 20:50.22 | mickey|brazil | need to limit the ui |
| 20:50.30 | thos | mickey|brazil, yeah, it seemed even slower than moko finger scroll which was odd |
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| 20:51.47 | thos | mickey|brazil, tick was adding tags to packages today, so hopefully assassin will actually be useable soon |
| 20:52.00 | thos | mickey|brazil, I hassled people a lot to get the bb files working |
| 20:52.31 | thos | mickey|brazil, so it should be easy to try out now when you have a moment |
| 20:52.50 | mickey|brazil | ok, sounds good |
| 20:53.26 | mickey|brazil | i hope on friday |
| 20:53.48 | thos | mickey|brazil, make sure you have a magniyfing glass handy though ;-) |
| 20:53.53 | mickey|brazil | tomorrow i'm working from indt on mergin oe stuff |
| 20:54.10 | thos | although tick said he was going to fix the default e theme at some point :-) |
| 20:54.58 | mickey|brazil | bbiab , dinner time |
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| 20:58.07 | dcordes | can somebody else have a look at qvga theming bug? #1283 |
| 21:04.23 | kdean06 | wurp2, I've reflashed and I don't seem to have the problems anymore and I've just been poking and prodding at it. |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4227 10/developers/werner/neocon/ (README neocon.c): |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - neocon.c: new option "-l logfile" to log to a file |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - neocon.c: new option "-a" to append to the log file instead of overwriting it |
| 21:05.20 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - neocon.c: new option "-T" to prepend a timestamp to each line logged |
| 21:05.21 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - neocon.c: new option "-e escape" to change the escape character |
| 21:05.23 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - README: described new options and documented remaining known issue |
| 21:05.34 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:05.57 | wurp2 | weird |
| 21:05.59 | kdean06 | Thanks to the election cycle, I saw "neocon" and instanly though "Republican" rather than "Neo1973". :( |
| 21:06.11 | wurp2 | gotta go, have a good night! |
| 21:06.15 | kdean06 | Night! |
| 21:07.18 | ccfly | bye |
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| 21:07.28 | cb22 | i havent really been following the discussions much, just wondering whats going to happen with freerunner and charging from totally flat? |
| 21:07.51 | cb22 | will the external charger charge it at a full 1000ma when its dead? |
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| 21:12.38 | seal20 | hello |
| 21:13.07 | seal20 | i just have flashed my phone |
| 21:13.42 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations! |
| 21:13.56 | seal20 | but my SIM card doesn't work |
| 21:14.08 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 21:14.11 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
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| 21:14.20 | kdean06 | seal20, USA with AT&T? |
| 21:14.20 | seal20 | in france |
| 21:14.34 | SpeedEvil | France. |
| 21:14.35 | seal20 | with Orange |
| 21:14.37 | kdean06 | :P Beat me to it. :) |
| 21:14.43 | SpeedEvil | Don't know anything about france. |
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| 21:14.55 | seal20 | :( |
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| 21:14.58 | SpeedEvil | (well - about the mobile infrastructure) |
| 21:14.59 | andylockran | what's there to know about France? |
| 21:15.07 | andylockran | I bought a mobile there a few years back |
| 21:15.07 | SpeedEvil | andred_: lots of wine? |
| 21:15.13 | SpeedEvil | andy" |
| 21:15.17 | andylockran | andylockran: |
| 21:15.18 | andylockran | :p |
| 21:15.20 | andylockran | there we go |
| 21:16.08 | andylockran | seal20: I don't think there's anything special about Orange in France IIRC.. but do you have any other sims available to try? |
| 21:16.38 | andylockran | seal20: what kernel/rootfs have you flashed |
| 21:16.41 | seal20 | just did'nt know where |
| 21:16.52 | seal20 | to activate it on my phone |
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| 21:21.07 | ScaredyCat | looks at thos |
| 21:21.10 | ScaredyCat | | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `gtk-about.png', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 21:21.23 | ScaredyCat | were you playing with the icons... ? |
| 21:25.33 | seal20 | the lastest on the site |
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| 21:33.39 | SpeedEvil | there is one tile at level 0 wrapping round the equator? |
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| 21:40.25 | seal20 | what do you mean playing |
| 21:40.25 | seal20 | i'm not good in english |
| 21:40.28 | seal20 | i could navigate in my phone yes |
| 21:40.32 | seal20 | but where could i acivate my SIM |
| 21:40.58 | seal20 | sniff i'm alone |
| 21:43.24 | SpeedEvil | You shouldn't need to actually activate it |
| 21:43.31 | SpeedEvil | it should just work |
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| 21:45.38 | seal20 | nobody know how to activate a SIM |
| 21:45.47 | SpeedEvil | you don't need to |
| 21:45.55 | ScaredyCat | just put it in your phone |
| 21:46.13 | mohamed | hi, all |
| 21:46.22 | SpeedEvil | the SIM socket is bad. Try again to put it in. |
| 21:46.23 | mohamed | can I build openmoko for sh4 ? |
| 21:46.38 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: Do you have a working linux kernel on it? |
| 21:46.38 | ahven | silent hunter 4? :) |
| 21:47.06 | mohamed | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 21:47.12 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: essentially no work is being done on porting OM to other platforms ATM. It barely works on the release hardware |
| 21:47.27 | SpeedEvil | mohamed: on the front page of the wiki is a link 'other platforms' IIRC |
| 21:48.15 | mohamed | SpeedEvil: thanks :) I'll try to look there |
| 21:48.33 | mohamed | ahven: sh stands for SuperH ;) |
| 21:49.12 | ahven | never heard of it |
| 21:50.22 | ahven | but if it has a linux kernel, it should be interesting :) |
| 21:50.27 | vik | Hitachi thing? |
| 21:51.21 | vik | Yup. Looks like it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH |
| 21:51.26 | ar0x | SpeedEvil: ATM ? |
| 21:51.29 | ScaredyCat | thos: did you forget to commit a bunch of files? |
| 21:51.32 | ar0x | did you meant ARM ? |
| 21:51.48 | SpeedEvil | At The Moment |
| 21:51.57 | ar0x | oups, sorry |
| 21:52.09 | ar0x | I really need sleep :/ |
| 21:52.27 | ar0x | btw, as I'm here |
| 21:53.02 | mohamed | ahven: it has I'm sure |
| 21:53.13 | mohamed | vik: yes it is |
| 21:53.58 | vik | mohamed: It's a long time since I've PROGRAMMED those things. sh-3'S i THINK. |
| 21:54.11 | vik | (Sorry CAP LOCK problems) |
| 21:54.32 | vik | blames cat |
| 21:54.40 | mohamed | vik: never mind, but now there is sh-4 :) |
| 21:54.41 | ar0x | I've seen that there would be a v6 hardware revision |
| 21:54.47 | mohamed | :D |
| 21:55.05 | ar0x | what are previous revision used for ? |
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| 21:56.14 | seal20 | <ScaredyCat> i put it but |
| 21:56.42 | seal20 | there is just a ? on gsm lan |
| 21:56.45 | seal20 | icone |
| 21:58.49 | ScaredyCat | o, what does it say at the top left of the screen. |
| 21:58.55 | ScaredyCat | 'Registering' ? |
| 21:59.13 | ScaredyCat | or does it say the name of a local telco |
| 22:00.07 | ar0x | maybe you can try to send raw AT command to the telco dsp |
| 22:00.23 | ar0x | and see what you get in answer |
| 22:00.40 | seal20 | how to |
| 22:00.46 | ScaredyCat | yes, if you can ssh into the phone... |
| 22:00.52 | ScaredyCat | then do: |
| 22:00.58 | seal20 | oky |
| 22:01.16 | ar0x | afaik, the link between the cpu and the telco dsp is just a serial line |
| 22:01.38 | ar0x | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands |
| 22:01.53 | ScaredyCat | libgsmd tool -m atcmd |
| 22:02.01 | ScaredyCat | then you an send AT commands |
| 22:02.08 | ScaredyCat | try AT+COPS |
| 22:02.18 | ScaredyCat | AT+CFUN=1 |
| 22:02.39 | ScaredyCat | if you use the gsmtool with -m shell you can use menu options |
| 22:03.10 | ScaredyCat | libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 22:03.14 | ScaredyCat | or |
| 22:03.18 | ScaredyCat | libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 22:03.38 | ScaredyCat | do the CFUN one first |
| 22:04.02 | ar0x | there is no terminal emulator installed by default ? |
| 22:04.04 | ScaredyCat | then AT+CNUM |
| 22:04.12 | ScaredyCat | which should tell you your number |
| 22:04.25 | ScaredyCat | ar0x: not afaik ... |
| 22:04.34 | seal20 | oky |
| 22:04.36 | ScaredyCat | I have built minicom if you want to use it |
| 22:04.45 | ScaredyCat | it's in my repo |
| 22:04.49 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 22:04.52 | seal20 | i try it tomorow |
| 22:04.57 | ScaredyCat | ok |
| 22:05.04 | ScaredyCat | where are you from seal20? |
| 22:05.05 | seal20 | thank |
| 22:05.09 | ar0x | ScaredyCat: what is your status here ? |
| 22:05.10 | seal20 | france |
| 22:05.29 | ScaredyCat | ok... there may be some french speakers during the day |
| 22:05.34 | ScaredyCat | ar0x: status? |
| 22:05.39 | ScaredyCat | I am a mere mortal |
| 22:06.20 | ar0x | yep, do you belong to fic or anything like that ? |
| 22:06.25 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 22:06.34 | ar0x | ok |
| 22:06.45 | seal20 | you know what i don't have web at work |
| 22:06.49 | seal20 | :( |
| 22:07.11 | ScaredyCat | I build my own images and any packages that people want... |
| 22:07.28 | ar0x | ok, they are based on neo1973 ? |
| 22:07.36 | ScaredyCat | seal20: well try again tomorrow, we can try to help then too |
| 22:07.47 | ScaredyCat | ar0x: yes |
| 22:07.56 | seal20 | where are you from |
| 22:07.57 | ScaredyCat | are you looking for a different device? |
| 22:08.04 | ScaredyCat | moi? |
| 22:08.12 | seal20 | yes |
| 22:08.14 | ScaredyCat | From the UK, currently in Holland |
| 22:08.31 | seal20 | oky |
| 22:08.38 | ar0x | well, anything that could help me in my project is fine |
| 22:08.40 | edistar | ScaredyCat: where in NL? |
| 22:08.56 | ScaredyCat | Lelystad - for my sins ;) |
| 22:08.57 | seal20 | good night every one |
| 22:09.04 | ScaredyCat | night seal2 |
| 22:09.10 | ScaredyCat | oo short changedd |
| 22:09.43 | ScaredyCat | ar0x: what is your project? |
| 22:09.45 | ar0x | s/my project/a project I volunteer for back mid 2k8/ |
| 22:09.53 | ar0x | 2k7 |
| 22:10.07 | ar0x | apt: thanks ;) |
| 22:10.07 | apt | de nada, ar0x |
| 22:10.23 | ar0x | ScaredyCat: port the netbsd kernel on openmoko |
| 22:10.32 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 22:11.13 | ar0x | harald proposed us device in june 2007, but we (another developer and me) have never been sent anything |
| 22:11.35 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 22:11.36 | ar0x | and working in qemu os all but optimal |
| 22:12.13 | ar0x | that's why I was asking about old release of the freerunner |
| 22:12.50 | ar0x | if they were not used, it might have been interresting to get the first support of the kernel |
| 22:13.32 | ar0x | until we reached known show stoppers |
| 22:14.21 | ar0x | so I'm still looking around, trying to catch mickey|brazil/mickeyl :/ |
| 22:14.45 | ar0x | seems he was here earlier, but he seems to be gone |
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| 22:23.00 | peter_harrison | ScaredyCat: Do you know if there is a build with the USB host enabled? |
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| 22:42.07 | Marcel_M | peter_harrison: you can switch to usb-host mode with every new kernel, this kernel is tested http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4194-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin with usb host-mode |
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| 22:46.14 | vik | peter_harrison: What are you going to run the built image on? |
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| 23:03.31 | mickeyl|recife | ar0x: it's wolfgang@openmoko.com, not wolfgang.spraul. sorry |
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| 23:11.09 | ar0x | mickeyl|recife: thanks :) |
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| 23:11.42 | ar0x | btw, do you know if there might be a possible SoC slot for this project ? |
| 23:13.39 | mickeyl|recife | everything is possible |
| 23:13.47 | mickeyl|recife | depends on whether there are potential mentors |
| 23:13.52 | mickeyl|recife | and the rating wrt. other apps |
| 23:13.57 | mickeyl|recife | and how many slots we get at all |
| 23:15.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4228 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:15.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - python.c, README, tmc.h, tmc.c: new module method "debug" to enable/disable |
| 23:15.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: debugging |
| 23:15.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - telnet.c: moved most of the retry logic from telnet_open into do_connect |
| 23:15.27 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - usbtmc.c: all debugging messages are not controlled with "debug" |
| 23:15.31 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - examples/tty.py: we don't need to import "time" |
| 23:15.33 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - README: added more material on the Fluke 8845A resetting connections |
| 23:15.51 | mickeyl|recife | hmm |
| 23:15.53 | mickeyl|recife | wth |
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| 23:17.01 | ar0x | ok, thanks |
| 23:17.32 | ar0x | time for to sleep now, I realy need sleep :) ... |
| 23:19.05 | mickeyl|recife | nighto |
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| 23:21.41 | robtaylor | mickeyl|recife: hey, can I volunteer for dbus gsoc mentor action? |
| 23:22.06 | mickeyl|recife | robtaylor: sure thing |
| 23:22.30 | mickeyl|recife | please register as mentor |
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| 23:23.12 | mickeyl|recife | i'll add ya soon |
| 23:23.12 | mickeyl|recife | ranking starts next week iirc |
| 23:23.24 | robtaylor | mickeyl|recife: cool, thanks! How's bossa? :) |
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| 23:24.33 | mjr | commented the Seagate business plan wrt. flash competition; http://lwn.net/Articles/274197/ |
| 23:25.37 | thos | wow, the wiki looks really tidy these days |
| 23:25.47 | thos | shame I can't find the gsoc page though |
| 23:25.57 | thos | mickeyl|recife, you forgot to link the wiki page in your gsoc mail? |
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