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| 01:03.04 | Sonicadvance | Only thing I don't like about the Neo, is the case. It looks too much like a toy ;) |
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| 01:05.08 | wurp2 | I'm not crazy about the case either |
| 01:05.21 | wurp2 | The recessed touchscreen is my main issue |
| 01:06.57 | Sonicadvance | I would like Brushed aluminum on the entire thing =o |
| 01:07.07 | mjr | That's the biggest for me too. It's dealable though as long as the UI doesn't require too much corner-touching |
| 01:07.22 | mjr | too far into the corners that is, the latest releases are fine for me |
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| 02:01.59 | sagacis | Moko can save your life: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/03/12/dolphin-whale-rescue.html (if you are a whale) |
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| 02:18.35 | dadida | where to get ts_calibrate? |
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| 02:38.11 | dadida | how to download openmoko package? |
| 02:42.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4205 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (16 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:42.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: First try at properly integrating the TMC system. Also adds a "serial" |
| 02:42.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: transport. This is still not quite good enough to obsolete scpinet and |
| 02:42.48 | CIA-17 | openmoko: usbtmc, but we'll get there. |
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| 02:46.33 | gmaxwell | Hey, whats a recent image (uImage and openmoko) that actually boots on GTA01... the last couple of dailyies I've tried get as far as starting X then drop back to a console and spam some log messages looping forever. (Last message is sc2410-sdi: powered down) |
| 02:47.30 | Qwell | gmaxwell: 3/10 worked for me |
| 02:47.49 | Qwell | oh..ON the GTA. yeah, no |
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| 02:50.39 | gmaxwell | Qwell, what did 3/10 work for you on? |
| 02:50.58 | Qwell | qemu.. 3/12 and 3/13 were unhappy.. wouldn't even flash |
| 02:53.20 | gmaxwell | so no suggestion for use on the phone? I've been out of it for a while and wanted to get mine going agin. |
| 02:53.56 | Qwell | no idea.. don't have one |
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| 03:01.34 | wurp2 | gmaxwell: Use 2/28 |
| 03:01.54 | wurp2 | If that doesn't work, 2/20. But I'm almost positive 2/28 is good. |
| 03:02.09 | wurp2 | dadida: What do you mean, download OM package? |
| 03:02.18 | bmidgley | there is still no web browser, right? |
| 03:02.26 | wurp2 | The whole openmoko build system, or some particular ipkg |
| 03:02.38 | wurp2 | bmidgley: There has been a browser for a long time... |
| 03:02.54 | wurp2 | It's on the Applications category, at the very bottom |
| 03:02.57 | bmidgley | the builtin? I could never get it to work |
| 03:03.32 | bmidgley | I see two broken icons on the bottom and I don't know how to make it follow a url |
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| 03:05.01 | wurp2 | bmidgley: Tap the middle icon |
| 03:05.13 | wurp2 | Then type in the URL and click 'open in new page' |
| 03:05.32 | wurp2 | They do need to fix those #$!@# icons |
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| 03:05.45 | wurp2 | Of course, if you can't ping from the terminal, the browser won't work |
| 03:05.59 | wurp2 | And for some reason I can't get the browser to work on local files, just http:// |
| 03:06.01 | bmidgley | wurp2 I get the new page but it stays blank |
| 03:06.10 | wurp2 | It can take a long time to load |
| 03:06.25 | wurp2 | Try google.com or some other small, high performance site |
| 03:06.47 | wurp2 | Just to confirm, then you just have to have patience with whatever you're really after |
| 03:07.00 | wurp2 | Of course, it depends on how you're connected to the web |
| 03:07.13 | bmidgley | usbnet |
| 03:07.13 | wurp2 | And it doesn't show errors. If DNS is misconfigured, the page just never loads |
| 03:07.21 | wurp2 | Can you ping www.google.com from the terminal? |
| 03:07.52 | wurp2 | I don't think I've tried the browser using usbnet, but it should work fine |
| 03:07.55 | wurp2 | I'll try now |
| 03:09.10 | bmidgley | wurp2 resolv.conf gets messed up every time I reconnect :( |
| 03:09.39 | wurp2 | Yeah, it does that |
| 03:09.57 | wurp2 | usb has an ifup script that copies over it |
| 03:10.07 | wurp2 | sec... |
| 03:11.52 | wurp2 | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:12.13 | wurp2 | comment out the "up echo" line for iface usb0 |
| 03:12.17 | wurp2 | gotta go now |
| 03:12.44 | wurp2 | If nothing else, though, you can fix your resolv.conf, verify that ping www.google.com works, and try the web browser |
| 03:13.12 | bmidgley | wurp2: wow, it actually worked. |
| 03:13.24 | bmidgley | I had to kill the browser using the gears to re-read resolv.conf |
| 03:16.24 | bmidgley | I saw www.google.com but google maps locked it up |
| 03:18.33 | Qwell | flash plugin for that browser yet? :p |
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| 03:24.27 | bmidgley | wurp2 I stand corrected. there is a browser, it just needs help |
| 03:25.15 | bmidgley | even runs javascript... what is the rendering engine? |
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| 03:50.18 | gmaxwell | wurp2|away, hmph :( even with the 02/28 I still get the looping behavior.. I wonder if something else is wrong. |
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| 04:02.56 | gmaxwell | doh. reseating my micro SD card cured the looping problem! ugh |
| 04:03.35 | Qwell | gmaxwell: gotta hate problems like that.. |
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| 05:20.09 | gmaxwell | this really sucks.. my moko is damn near bricked |
| 05:20.21 | gmaxwell | no images will go into X anymore. |
| 05:20.33 | gmaxwell | even ones I'm pretty sure I ran before.. |
| 05:20.41 | gmaxwell | I just get stuck at a console login prompt |
| 05:20.53 | gmaxwell | with some errors up above |
| 05:21.48 | gmaxwell | "group nogroup does not exist" "unknown group name: root" ... ldconfig: /usr/lib/libpulsecore.so.3 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start" \ |
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| 06:00.13 | ccfly | good morning :) |
| 06:00.29 | raster | moo |
| 06:02.10 | gmaxwell | Doing a nand erase solved my problems! weird |
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| 08:16.24 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:24.05 | gopi | Good morning. |
| 08:24.41 | krish | gm |
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| 08:30.33 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:35.48 | meldianen | hi |
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| 08:38.01 | peter_harrison | Hi all |
| 08:38.24 | peter_harrison | I have a problem with the micro sd cards. |
| 08:38.49 | peter_harrison | After using then for a while there appeared to be a problem with the directory |
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| 08:39.09 | peter_harrison | I tried to reformat one with ext2, but it fails. |
| 08:39.32 | peter_harrison | ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir |
| 08:39.49 | peter_harrison | Is there a know issue with these cards? |
| 08:40.27 | TRIsoft | SD cards are FAT only. It's inside the specs. I think, it's same for micro SD, but have to look it up. |
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| 08:44.29 | peter_harrison | The errors occured before the format though. |
| 08:45.27 | peter_harrison | I saw something about a faulty batch or something. |
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| 08:51.08 | TRIsoft | peter_harrison: Sry, no info about this here. |
| 08:53.16 | ScaredyCat | gmaxwell: how old is your uboot ? |
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| 09:08.48 | ScaredyCat | TRIsoft: wtf are you on about? |
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| 09:09.02 | ScaredyCat | you can format sd cards with whatever you want |
| 09:09.51 | rob_w | ScaredyCat: i think so |
| 09:10.24 | rob_w | i do use ext3 on one ! |
| 09:10.34 | ScaredyCat | I do too |
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| 09:11.05 | xcasex | me 3 |
| 09:13.22 | TRIsoft | ScaredyCat: It's a long issue since early Zaurus days. CF cards don't care, SD cards do. It's possible to kill them just formatting them. |
| 09:13.57 | xcasex | ... |
| 09:13.57 | ScaredyCat | so I have a magic sd card then? |
| 09:14.23 | xcasex | i dont know how many times i've formatted or treated my sd cards like i treat a hdd. |
| 09:14.28 | TRIsoft | ScaredyCat: But i think, they changed the specs. Just looking at sdcard.org |
| 09:14.36 | xcasex | right. |
| 09:24.08 | TRIsoft | ScaredyCat: Don't find it now. But f.e. Lexar refuses warranty for not FAT formatted SD cards pointing to the SD specs... |
| 09:24.45 | ScaredyCat | never had an issue formatting myself... |
| 09:25.40 | TRIsoft | ScaredyCat: We had :-( |
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| 10:03.29 | Ebbe | Have anyone tried that gllin made it's output to anything other than /tmp/nmeaNP? |
| 10:03.53 | Ebbe | Mine is stopping because I don't read it, but I am.. |
| 10:04.07 | Ebbe | I'm cat /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 10:04.12 | Ebbe | But no output |
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| 10:17.16 | Ebbe | Ahh. The new kernel has different device names :( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 10:17.55 | Ebbe | But there is a evil hack :) |
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| 11:06.02 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4206 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (md5.c md5.h): opkg: update md5.{c,h} with latest version from gnulib |
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| 12:11.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4207 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/args.c: |
| 12:11.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: opkg: print help and version messages to stdout rather than stderr. Based on |
| 12:11.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: patch from Marcin Juszkiewicz <openembedded haerwu biz> |
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| 12:24.44 | ScaredyCat | moo |
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| 12:27.18 | thos | ScaredyCat, ping |
| 12:28.03 | ScaredyCat | thos: pong |
| 12:28.15 | ScaredyCat | wassup |
| 12:28.38 | thos | ScaredyCat, you do unnoficial builds of latest OM software right? |
| 12:28.41 | thos | ScaredyCat, images even |
| 12:28.50 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 12:29.05 | thos | ScaredyCat, did you see my last post to openmoko-devel? |
| 12:29.32 | ScaredyCat | what's the subject... |
| 12:29.42 | thos | ScaredyCat, [PATCH]... :-) |
| 12:29.55 | ScaredyCat | go it |
| 12:29.57 | ScaredyCat | got it |
| 12:30.02 | thos | ScaredyCat, what do you think? |
| 12:31.00 | ScaredyCat | ooo... I like that |
| 12:31.52 | thos | ScaredyCat, I also want to enable pictures in the list, as long as it doesn't hit performance too much |
| 12:31.55 | thos | pictures/photos |
| 12:32.19 | ScaredyCat | mmm.. they would be tiny though wouldn't they? |
| 12:32.40 | thos | that's what I wondered |
| 12:33.03 | thos | ScaredyCat, if the list has my first patch though, each item will be double the height it is now |
| 12:33.16 | ScaredyCat | perhaps a little icon that you could tap to show a bigger picture |
| 12:33.28 | thos | ScaredyCat, so basically it's the same size as a toolbar icon |
| 12:34.04 | ScaredyCat | well the double height shouldn't be an issue... in fact it's a plus point. ... they are far to small at the moment ... |
| 12:34.09 | ScaredyCat | for finger use anyway |
| 12:36.11 | ScaredyCat | I also think that you know far too many characters from the Simpsons |
| 12:36.14 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
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| 12:38.02 | ScaredyCat | that is a short patch too ;) |
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| 12:39.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, haha |
| 12:39.53 | thos | ScaredyCat, I copied them from Wikipedia :-P |
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| 12:45.50 | thos | ScaredyCat, http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/openmoko-contacts-photos-list.png |
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| 12:45.56 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's what it currently looks like |
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| 12:47.10 | ScaredyCat | I think it works well, I can't use the contacts list at the moment because lines are too small - I think your patch would make things better for me too :D |
| 12:47.24 | thos | cool |
| 12:47.36 | mokel | i like it, too |
| 12:47.41 | thos | ScaredyCat, do you think the icon is big enough for a photo? |
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| 12:48.13 | ScaredyCat | a small one :P |
| 12:48.26 | ScaredyCat | it might be a little too small... |
| 12:48.32 | ScaredyCat | but you could still have it... |
| 12:48.36 | mokel | perhaps it will display a group icon? |
| 12:48.42 | ScaredyCat | perhaps a small pic and a large pic on the details |
| 12:49.38 | thos | mokel, I don't think there is any group icon in the vcard spec |
| 12:49.44 | ScaredyCat | so for example, a little user selectable icon for the list (including custom ones) and then if ou looked at the contact details you'd get a bigger picture |
| 12:49.45 | mokel | mmh |
| 12:50.10 | thos | ScaredyCat, so two icons per vcard? |
| 12:50.22 | thos | two photos* |
| 12:50.54 | ScaredyCat | yup |
| 12:51.08 | thos | ScaredyCat, not sure if any/most users would want to do that |
| 12:51.12 | ScaredyCat | I don't think you could generate the tiny pic quickly |
| 12:51.21 | thos | yeah, that is an issue |
| 12:51.37 | ScaredyCat | so you'd load up the big one and waste ram |
| 12:51.52 | thos | well, vcard photos should never be too big |
| 12:52.03 | ScaredyCat | there is a logo in the vard standard no? |
| 12:52.16 | thos | a logo? |
| 12:52.21 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 12:52.30 | thos | what sort of logo |
| 12:52.47 | ScaredyCat | well, i guess it's a picture :) |
| 12:52.56 | ScaredyCat | 2.5.3 of the spec |
| 12:53.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, yes, stored in base64 encoding |
| 12:53.13 | ScaredyCat | oh wait... |
| 12:53.22 | ScaredyCat | only if it's a business contact? |
| 12:53.40 | thos | let me check |
| 12:55.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, I think that's different from photo |
| 12:55.46 | thos | ScaredyCat, vcard images really should be too big, otherwise you end up with .... huge vcards |
| 12:56.26 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I understand... |
| 12:56.30 | ynezz | That Moe's number don't work :\ |
| 12:57.06 | thos | we need to find an artist who can do some nice new icons |
| 12:57.18 | ScaredyCat | perhaps the small image should be the logo if set and the little orange 'man' if not. That would mean if companies / people had a logo then you could tell who they worked for too.... |
| 12:57.32 | ScaredyCat | useful with John Smith types |
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| 12:57.35 | thos | ScaredyCat, interesting |
| 12:57.51 | thos | ScaredyCat, we'd have to add something to the details page to allow people to set it |
| 12:58.05 | ScaredyCat | sure... |
| 12:58.10 | thos | ScaredyCat, my only worry is that because the neo doesn't have a camera, no one is going to use the photo anyway |
| 12:58.17 | thos | unless they upload on onto the phone |
| 12:58.41 | ScaredyCat | well, we'll need software on th PC side too at some point... |
| 12:58.51 | thos | true |
| 12:58.54 | ScaredyCat | and since it's vcards, i's standard - right? |
| 12:58.59 | thos | pretty much |
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| 13:00.03 | ScaredyCat | .. and of course the neo might get a usb camera addon .... one day |
| 13:00.11 | ynezz | thos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork Nenad seems to be good... |
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| 13:00.57 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 13:00.59 | ScaredyCat | I like those |
| 13:02.12 | ScaredyCat | right ... bbiab - food!!!! |
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| 14:10.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, still around? |
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| 14:17.00 | ScaredyCat | back |
| 14:18.02 | thos | ScaredyCat, http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/openmoko-contacts-list-springfield.png |
| 14:19.20 | toer | bj day today |
| 14:19.32 | ScaredyCat | perfect thos! |
| 14:20.00 | ScaredyCat | Hi de ho neighbourinos! |
| 14:20.06 | ScaredyCat | </flanders> |
| 14:20.06 | thos | :-D |
| 14:20.45 | XorA | mmmm, pineapples |
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| 14:22.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4208 10/developers/werner/ahrt/host/tmc/ (io.c io.h tmc.c usbtmc.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:22.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - tmc.c (tmc_open): send DCI after opening a session |
| 14:22.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - tmc.c (tmc_read): handle read errors |
| 14:22.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - io.c (read_buf): don't leak buffer memory |
| 14:22.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - io.h, io.c (io_cancel_buf): new function to deallocate a buffer without |
| 14:22.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: reading it |
| 14:22.07 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - usbtmc.c (struct usbtmc_dsc, get_eps): record maximum packet size (for use by |
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| 14:23.52 | thos | ScaredyCat, I'll post another patch to openmoko-devel once I've cleaned it up |
| 14:24.02 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:27.59 | ScaredyCat | thos' patch should really get into openmoko-contacts.. |
| 14:28.33 | ScaredyCat | it makes it usable... ... and pretty too |
| 14:29.23 | thos | ScaredyCat, did you try it out on the phone? |
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| 14:29.41 | ScaredyCat | not yet... |
| 14:30.08 | ScaredyCat | I need to keep my phone as it is right now, cos I drive to .nl tonight... so it needs to stay working |
| 14:30.18 | ScaredyCat | (not that your patch would break it) |
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| 14:31.28 | XorA | oooh master!!!! |
| 14:31.47 | ScaredyCat | did you see my awsome joke earlier? |
| 14:32.14 | ScaredyCat | ... about the Dutch girl I met who had inflatable shoes... |
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| 15:10.30 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4209 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_cmd.c: opkg: skip downloading Packages.sig if GPGME is not enabled at build time |
| 15:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1271 has been created by sudharsh(AT)gmail.com |
| 15:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * Missing GTK+-2.0 dependencies for libmokopanelui2 |
| 15:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1271 |
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| 15:31.37 | zedstar | thos, any of u lot going to "over the air" ? |
| 15:33.12 | mwester | The last several images I've built seem rather broken -- the applets do not appear, and there's a mouse cursor on the screen. Anyone else seeing this with recent builds? |
| 15:34.34 | wurp2|away | mwester: It has long been the case on my neo (with multiple images, the latest being 2/28) that sometimes the applet bar would die and I would see the cursor :-( |
| 15:34.51 | wurp2|away | But I haven't yet seen an image in which that happens right away |
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| 15:35.42 | mwester | Ok, so I'm not totally insane then. I'll try to work on debugging this... |
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| 15:42.47 | ScaredyCat | errm... have you tried one of mine |
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| 15:43.31 | Qwell | silly question - how is the weight of the Neo? |
| 15:43.33 | mwester | Nope, would they be different than the bleeding-edge one I built a few hours ago? |
| 15:44.33 | ScaredyCat | they might work... ...whuich would make them different ;) |
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| 15:48.29 | Blastur | Qwell: about 184g |
| 15:48.50 | Blastur | check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone |
| 15:48.54 | Qwell | wow, I have no idea what my phone weighs |
| 15:49.19 | Qwell | does it feel like something you could hurl at somebody, and cause damage? |
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| 15:50.00 | Blastur | 200g is definately 'hurlable' :) |
| 15:50.35 | Blastur | for whatever reason you may have to hurl your phone... |
| 15:50.53 | Qwell | I hate phones that feel "cheap", because they're too light. razr, for example |
| 15:54.11 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4210 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg_cmd.c opkg_download.c opkg_download.h): opkg: use opkg_message rather than printf in opkg_verify_file() |
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| 16:34.36 | wurp2 | Qwell: I'll ask my kids to describe what having a 1973 chucked at them feels like, and update you |
| 16:35.02 | wurp2 | It should be pretty similar for the FreeRunner |
| 16:35.26 | Qwell | wurp2: thanks |
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| 16:43.36 | wurp2 | There's some slight bruising, but no broken bones. The final verdict is not just ouch, but OUCH!!, and crying. |
| 16:43.56 | Qwell | crying is good |
| 16:44.10 | Qwell | wurp2: would you mind comparing against another phone? |
| 16:44.24 | wurp2 | Not really, but fortunately the threat of another chucking stopped the crying |
| 16:44.57 | wurp2 | Qwell: Sorry, hitting my kids with a non-open phone is abuse. I can't believe you suggested it! |
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| 17:34.32 | nezza | sali |
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| 18:16.09 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 18:18.11 | cb22 | hail zoltan! |
| 18:22.02 | CVirus | are we ever getting a freerunner ? |
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| 18:23.09 | cb22 | CVirus: i hope so :) |
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| 18:35.20 | ar0x_ | mickeyl: ? |
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| 18:50.46 | cb22 | insert an a in that sentance |
| 18:56.23 | Qwell | cb22 needs freerunner :( a? |
| 18:56.46 | cb22 | hehe |
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| 18:57.18 | cb22 | hopefully it will be out before july |
| 18:57.40 | cb22 | (then i'm in europe and can save paying huge shipping costs to SA) |
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| 19:17.40 | mwester | ERROR: '['/u/moko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'gtk+-directfb' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables of any buildable targets. |
| 19:18.02 | mwester | I've been seeing that for a while now -- anyone else getting this as well, or is my environment been corrupted somehow? |
| 19:18.13 | Qwell | mwester: I see that too |
| 19:18.33 | mwester | Ok. Then I'll consider that to not be my current problem. |
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| 19:31.19 | pjz | ugh yeah http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html is discouraging |
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| 19:34.54 | cb22 | pjz: yeah indeed :( |
| 19:35.08 | cb22 | open moko forever |
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| 19:48.06 | morricone | "However, at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference held in San Diego, California last week, the company revealed that consumers will have to wait maybe six more months to get their hands on the device. Early adopters, who are not scared of hacking around with the device software, might be able to get hold of the FreeRunner slightly earlier, OpenMoko said." |
| 19:48.12 | morricone | doesn't sound very nice |
| 19:49.37 | cb22 | hopefully slighty earlier == 5 months |
| 19:49.37 | raboof | is 'last week' really last week? :) |
| 19:50.08 | cb22 | raboof: unfortunatly so :( |
| 19:50.24 | cb22 | http://en.oreilly.com/et2008/public/content/home |
| 19:50.25 | Qwell | umm |
| 19:50.28 | Qwell | etel died |
| 19:50.28 | morricone | http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html |
| 19:51.15 | raboof | i'm not really scared of hacking around with the software if the hw is solid, but it doesn't sound that good, indeed :) |
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| 19:51.30 | Qwell | what there was, however, was eComm |
| 19:51.35 | Qwell | which *WAS NOT* etel. :) |
| 19:52.08 | Qwell | (sorry, just had to point that out) |
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| 19:56.20 | kdean06 | Unrelated to OM but... Anyone know of an EDGE card that doesn't have binary firmware? Do such things exist? |
| 19:56.41 | kdean06 | Well, non-free binary firmware. :) I can handle firmware if there's libre source. :) |
| 19:57.09 | Qwell | oh, etech...silly oreilly |
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| 19:58.09 | mjr | afaik there is no such thing for the same reasons neo doesn't have free firmware |
| 19:58.29 | kdean06 | mjr, I assumed the Neo didn't have it because of UK law. |
| 19:59.17 | mjr | afaik similar laws are all around |
| 19:59.27 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 19:59.48 | mjr | I'm not an authoritative source though |
| 20:00.01 | mjr | but hell will freeze over before there will be a free gsm stack :/ |
| 20:01.10 | kdean06 | mjr, There's also no legal way to decrypt commercial DVD's in the US, but that doesn't mean such things DON'T exist as free software. :P |
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| 20:03.13 | mjr | 'tis true, it doesn't necessarily mean no free software implementation don't exist. However, it's a complex spec, and there's not much motivation to develop it what with the obstacles, and afaik nobody has |
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| 20:16.38 | SpeedEvil | It also - once the first implementation is abused - may be illegal to work on in the UK. |
| 20:16.54 | SpeedEvil | (due to the mobile networks hacking legislation) |
| 20:17.19 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: sort-of-related - you do know that the calypso docs got leaked? |
| 20:17.41 | kdean06 | I have seen that. :P |
| 20:18.21 | SpeedEvil | I haven't actually read them - but from what others have said it's pretty much a basic software driven radio, with little of the protocol in hardware. |
| 20:18.36 | SpeedEvil | I haven't heard about security and how it's flashed though. |
| 20:18.45 | Qwell | reading it would be kinda tricky for some people |
| 20:19.06 | SpeedEvil | One of the reasons I'm avoiding doing so. |
| 20:19.19 | Qwell | like when portions of windows source got leaked - wine developers had to stay far away |
| 20:19.51 | kdean06 | I raised that point on the mailing list when it was announced. |
| 20:20.15 | kdean06 | I suppose if enough people cared someoen could rewrite the spec and pass that off to devs. |
| 20:20.34 | kdean06 | But I'm neither a programmer not a spec writer. :P |
| 20:20.58 | cb22 | Assuming TI were bored, and wanted to, how much could you actually do to something like the calypso in software with full access |
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| 20:21.43 | doc|work | anyone see this mail from mark 'wolfmane'? :D |
| 20:22.24 | cb22 | doc|work: what mail? |
| 20:22.39 | doc|work | subject 'FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months? |
| 20:22.45 | doc|work | on the community mailing list |
| 20:22.54 | doc|work | smells a lot like someone trolling |
| 20:23.10 | kdean06 | I've not seen it and I thought I was on that list.. |
| 20:23.12 | wurp2 | I didn't plan to dignify it by noticing ;-) |
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| 20:23.38 | doc|work | kdean06: just came in |
| 20:23.41 | cb22 | sorry, too little paragraph breaks for me to read it |
| 20:23.46 | cb22 | few* |
| 20:24.04 | wurp2 | Don't be sorry; not reading it is a plus |
| 20:24.30 | morricone | yes, but if the delay is true, there's something seriously wrong at openmoko, esp. that it hasn't been announced before |
| 20:24.44 | doc|work | there's no proof of a delay |
| 20:24.54 | doc|work | he's just using it to get noticed |
| 20:24.55 | SpeedEvil | cb22: IP stack inside the calypso |
| 20:25.04 | doc|work | (te subjet) |
| 20:25.09 | doc|work | *(the subject) |
| 20:25.25 | SpeedEvil | cb22: Access to the raw GSM data, for encryption. |
| 20:26.15 | SpeedEvil | cb22: Or data-over-voice circuit |
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| 20:27.09 | SpeedEvil | cb22: Multi-SIM support |
| 20:27.22 | SpeedEvil | cb22: (not all at the same time) |
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| 20:29.22 | wurp2 | There is proof of chronic delay, but no proof of future delay. The premise is just believable enough to get people riled up, if it had been artfully done. |
| 20:29.43 | wurp2 | Of course, artful trolling is still crap. |
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| 20:30.21 | doc|work | yeah |
| 20:30.40 | SpeedEvil | cb22: lots of stuff really. It's another processor that's live when the main system is off. |
| 20:30.44 | doc|work | and then he starts pimping the n800. I have an n800 and like it, it's not at all comparable to the freerunner |
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| 20:31.19 | SpeedEvil | cb22: and hence can do stuff without actually waking the main system from deep sleep. |
| 20:31.39 | raboof | doc|work: OpenMoko supposedly announced this delay at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference |
| 20:31.43 | raboof | http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html |
| 20:31.47 | raboof | not sure how reliable that is |
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| 20:35.32 | SpeedEvil | There is no need for speculation. Simply read the regular community updates. |
| 20:37.39 | spydon | regular... :P |
| 20:40.46 | doc|work | yeah, nothing in more than two weeks :| |
| 20:40.55 | raboof | spydon: every 2-3 weeks seems pretty ok to me, though indeed it's been a while since the last one and that one basically announced that there would be announcements :) |
| 20:42.35 | raboof | SpeedEvil: well, this news outlet claims openmoko made that statement, so it's not entirely wild speculation |
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| 20:43.46 | raboof | anyway, hopefully the freerunner will be ready soon, and the '6 months' thing is more about 'consumer-ready software' |
| 20:43.55 | raboof | rather than hardware |
| 20:44.09 | spydon | hopefully |
| 20:44.43 | cb22 | just wondering if anyone knows whether the illume demo was running on a gta01 or a gta02 proto? |
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| 20:46.56 | Qwell | is there a gta02 qemu target? |
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