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| 00:13.24 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: | /home/moko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/qtopia-phone-4.3.1-r1/qtopia-opensource-4.3.1/devices/default/environment: 3: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
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| 00:20.56 | cesarb | Has anyone here already used git-format-patch/git-send-email? |
| 00:22.30 | balrog-kun | cesarb: yes |
| 00:22.30 | rwhitby | cesarb: yep |
| 00:23.29 | cesarb | Any hints? Both commands have a lot of options in common, and well, lots of options... |
| 00:23.35 | cesarb | s/hints/advice/ |
| 00:24.16 | balrog-kun | well, git-format-patch is easy, just pass the tag as parameter, the tags can be copied by mouse from cg-log output |
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| 00:25.03 | balrog-kun | git-send-email when i used it didn't support TLS so i had to hack it to use it with gmail and then on a system update forgot to back up my copy because it was in /usr/bin :p |
| 00:25.07 | balrog-kun | i hear it's better now |
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| 00:34.53 | holycow | hello my moko monkeys |
| 00:35.01 | holycow | i keep on looking around for a phone |
| 00:35.02 | holycow | and damnit |
| 00:35.05 | holycow | i want my moko |
| 00:35.21 | einalex | stop looking, start waiting |
| 00:35.22 | holycow | nothing even comes close |
| 00:35.29 | holycow | einalex: lol |
| 00:38.39 | raster | holycow: we're working on it. |
| 00:39.45 | holycow | raster: the specs for gta02 are impressive |
| 00:39.59 | raster | holycow: mostly - except gfx |
| 00:40.03 | raster | theres a few gotchas there |
| 00:40.09 | raster | we need to see what we can do |
| 00:40.18 | holycow | specs said it had an accelerator chip? |
| 00:40.35 | holycow | its not like that matters so much imho |
| 00:40.47 | mwester-road | Yeah, but it's connected to the CPU by two monkeys with tin cans and a string. |
| 00:40.56 | holycow | lol |
| 00:41.21 | holycow | yeah well theres only so much that can be done in any given time frame |
| 00:41.39 | mwester-road | But wow when the data finally does make it to the graphics chip, those photons are FAST!!!! |
| 00:41.46 | raster | holycow: when u need to drive 640x480.... it matters |
| 00:41.50 | raster | sure |
| 00:41.57 | holycow | ohhhh |
| 00:41.57 | raster | u can do really boring plain gfx |
| 00:42.02 | holycow | thats pretty high resolution actually ... |
| 00:42.12 | raster | but to do anything interesting... i.e. "iphone-level" graphics |
| 00:42.18 | holycow | right |
| 00:42.19 | mwester-road | That's a lot of bits, and the bus is kinda slow :( |
| 00:42.19 | raster | with wooshing zooming fading etc. |
| 00:42.25 | raster | then u are in twubble |
| 00:42.29 | holycow | yeah folks love the wooshing and zooming |
| 00:43.07 | roh | raster hehe.. well.. find me a gfx which has no gotchas... imho such a cp doesnt exist |
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| 00:43.23 | roh | s/cp/chip/ |
| 00:43.42 | raster | roh: actually.... i know of 1 - well 1 i am more sure of than any others that has no "gotchas" |
| 00:43.56 | raster | well it has 1 gotcha |
| 00:44.01 | raster | no open sdk. |
| 00:44.01 | holycow | well considering that we don't really use wooshing and zooming and htings like that on the destkop really ... |
| 00:44.02 | raster | ... |
| 00:44.04 | raster | yet |
| 00:44.07 | holycow | its not like its a letdown or anything |
| 00:44.17 | raster | holycow: i consider it a letdown. |
| 00:44.56 | roh | eitither it has gotchas or it has so unfree drivers that they are hiden and it just takes longer to fall over thhem |
| 00:44.59 | einalex | doesn't E do that? |
| 00:45.09 | einalex | lovely graphics for low cost |
| 00:45.59 | mwester-road | "lovely graphics for low cost" -- wasn't that a hit song by AC/DC? |
| 00:46.07 | holycow | lol |
| 00:46.16 | holycow | i can live with normal gfx |
| 00:46.17 | einalex | dunno, i don't remember song titles |
| 00:46.26 | holycow | there is always v.3.0 |
| 00:46.34 | mwester-road | er, no, that was "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap". Similar, though. |
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| 00:47.13 | ljp | heh.. you might be waiting a while for an e17 release |
| 00:47.23 | einalex | i won't |
| 00:47.29 | einalex | i gave that up years ago |
| 00:47.30 | ljp | srta like duke nukem forever |
| 00:47.40 | raster | einalex: it does - but when u put 2 monkeys and a tin can between the cpu and the framebuffer... it kind of limits how much u can manage |
| 00:47.41 | raster | :) |
| 00:47.57 | einalex | monkeys can be fast |
| 00:48.18 | einalex | you have to scare them though..it doesn't work for long |
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| 00:49.28 | roh | raster it just means that you should refrain from doing stuff outside the gpu ;) |
| 00:49.36 | raster | ljp: why wait for a release. thats what cvs it for! |
| 00:49.37 | raster | is |
| 00:49.38 | raster | :) |
| 00:49.51 | holycow | not only that, the vid accelerator things can be even fixed in a later production batch i'm sure |
| 00:49.55 | raster | roh: yeah. that sucks when the gpu only does a subset of what u need! :) |
| 00:49.55 | roh | which is good for power consumption of the host cpu ;) |
| 00:50.02 | einalex | raster you know as well as we do that cvs is not for users, |
| 00:50.05 | holycow | probably wouldn't even need to wait for an updated version |
| 00:50.32 | roh | raster: it does scale blit and colorspace conversion and clipping, right? |
| 00:50.33 | raster | einalex: and tarballs and compiling isnt for users either. |
| 00:50.34 | holycow | any thoughts on what pricerange it might be available in initially? |
| 00:50.35 | raster | :) |
| 00:50.40 | einalex | yes |
| 00:50.45 | einalex | it's a bit like reiser4 |
| 00:50.53 | roh | thats what i need and am fine |
| 00:50.53 | einalex | as long as no distro ships it |
| 00:50.57 | einalex | it doesn#t really matter |
| 00:51.10 | raster | roh: yes. |
| 00:51.33 | raster | roh: what about over blend? u don't need that? |
| 00:52.01 | holycow | *hmm* 400 mhz cpu |
| 00:52.06 | roh | nope. wel.. some 8bit alpha would be nice for fonts... |
| 00:52.16 | holycow | thats pretty powerfull |
| 00:52.18 | roh | but i dont care about alphachannel besides that in UI. mostly makes it less production |
| 00:52.21 | raster | roh: u seem to have very simple requirements then :) |
| 00:52.28 | holycow | you might be able to get away with running kde minus all the destkop apps on here |
| 00:52.44 | roh | i want a clean fast and powerful UI. not one that only looks good and can do shit |
| 00:52.45 | roh | 't |
| 00:53.00 | holycow | someone appearently got plasma working on one recently ... that could eventually use a really good accelerated graphics config indeed |
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| 00:54.15 | einalex | roh: actually you want the apps for the UI as well |
| 00:54.20 | br3n | raster, might be a blessing in disguise..... :-) all the gfx kiddies will have to buy GTA03 as well....sorry for your letdown though.... |
| 00:54.47 | roh | einalex ack. |
| 00:55.01 | roh | my reference is a razr v3i from moto ;) |
| 00:55.15 | holycow | roh: does that have any real bling? |
| 00:55.30 | roh | not nice, but easy and powerful. with ugly bugs i want to get rid of at some point. |
| 00:55.37 | roh | no bling at all. |
| 00:55.48 | holycow | yeah |
| 00:55.55 | holycow | thats pretty much the case for all phones |
| 00:55.59 | holycow | even smartphones |
| 00:56.05 | raster | br3n: true |
| 00:56.06 | raster | :) |
| 00:56.38 | einalex | ah bling is extra |
| 00:56.41 | roh | but it can send sms to lists of people or does work reliable most oif the times. |
| 00:56.47 | einalex | first get the syncing and the pim right |
| 00:56.51 | einalex | and the battery |
| 00:56.56 | einalex | and the app integration |
| 00:57.00 | holycow | base price $450 for freerunner? |
| 00:57.03 | holycow | thats very reasonable |
| 00:57.15 | einalex | and for whatevers sake a spam filter on the mail app |
| 00:57.20 | einalex | after all that i care for the bling |
| 00:58.01 | einalex | all the bling makes you feel good in the first 2 weeks |
| 00:58.15 | roh | einalex my words;) i want all thzat what i couldnt do with my featurephone. i care only a biut about classic smartphone stuff. i just want a phone which i can use every day and add the little stuff which annoys us everywhere else. |
| 00:58.26 | roh | whats about blacklists for people you dont wanna speak right now? |
| 00:58.27 | einalex | but after that all the missing features (like on the iphone (not broken)) will nagg you.. |
| 00:58.35 | roh | the best you get is a 'stop ringing button' |
| 00:59.34 | roh | to be fair i still have to be convinced about touchscreens ;) i like buttins with a click (the whole reson for the razr) |
| 00:59.53 | roh | but that may be because i am not from the us or asia *veg* |
| 01:00.00 | einalex | i still have to be convinced of buttons |
| 01:00.20 | einalex | they all stop functioning after 2-3 years |
| 01:00.21 | holycow | roh: i agree |
| 01:00.23 | roh | you use them right now on a keyboard, right? |
| 01:00.24 | holycow | i hate touch screens |
| 01:00.28 | einalex | with every damned phone i ever owned |
| 01:00.28 | holycow | give me buttons any day |
| 01:00.47 | einalex | i mean buttons on a phone |
| 01:00.51 | holycow | touch screens are okay for specific functionality |
| 01:01.00 | holycow | say scrolling through an image library or something |
| 01:01.16 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.38 | holycow | primarily having access to ssh over this device tho would be kool even with a bluetooth thumb kb |
| 01:02.47 | einalex | i tried nokia, sony ericsson, siemens. all buttons died, let's try something new. |
| 01:03.17 | holycow | einalex: you need to use your hands to press the buttons |
| 01:03.23 | holycow | stepping on the keys doesn't work |
| 01:03.25 | holycow | just a tip |
| 01:03.27 | holycow | *cough* |
| 01:03.28 | holycow | :) |
| 01:03.35 | einalex | i will try that |
| 01:03.40 | roh | einalex thats normal.. i would call it wearoff... i also get a new keyboard every year for my notebooks |
| 01:03.55 | einalex | normal? |
| 01:04.04 | einalex | EVER ENCOUNTERED THAT WITH A NORMAL PHONE YOU USE AT HOME? |
| 01:04.07 | einalex | oh |
| 01:04.11 | einalex | sry for the capslock |
| 01:04.29 | einalex | time to redefine that key.. |
| 01:04.44 | roh | einalex have you ever carried such a phone in your pocket for the same time? |
| 01:05.06 | einalex | what does that got to do with it? |
| 01:05.18 | einalex | you can disassemble and clean the stuff |
| 01:05.22 | einalex | but ti doesn't help |
| 01:05.23 | roh | i know that effects from every keyboard.. if its on a pc, on a remote-control for the tv, on a dect phone as well as on every kind of gsm. its a reason for replacement parts |
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| 01:05.58 | einalex | if they would built these things to last, that wouldn't bea problem |
| 01:06.09 | einalex | but they don't they want you to buy new ones |
| 01:06.21 | einalex | even admitted it in court |
| 01:07.10 | roh | on that rubbermats is a thin layer of conductive material which gets destroyed by dust, water and coca cola (remotes you kneo) |
| 01:07.26 | einalex | a guy sued them because his country's law says you need to provide a 5 year warranty and they didn't want to replace the phone after the 2 year warranty |
| 01:07.37 | roh | the whole point is that these stuffs get built to last 18-48month max |
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| 01:08.03 | einalex | i know how the things work, i like to look at the stuff when it's brocken to see what can be done |
| 01:08.09 | einalex | my words |
| 01:08.15 | roh | and building stuff which is so stable that it lasts ages is that more expensive that these manufs just build military and industrial goods now or are out of business |
| 01:08.18 | einalex | they aren#t built to last |
| 01:08.26 | einalex | let's see how long a touchscreen will last |
| 01:08.28 | roh | endusers do not care enough it seems. |
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| 01:08.42 | holycow | yeah they don't |
| 01:09.05 | einalex | i would gladly spend the 5 dollars it takes to built it lasting double the time |
| 01:09.26 | roh | i would gladly pay 10% more or 20 when it keeps up 5 years.. but to be true.. who can predict which technology ou wanna use in 5 years? |
| 01:09.44 | einalex | noone |
| 01:09.46 | roh | btw.. i had a siemens S25 before the razr (and that now for 2 years, still alive) |
| 01:10.00 | roh | i am already a _long_ time user of that stuff |
| 01:10.04 | holycow | is the moko usb port a standard usb mini port? |
| 01:10.05 | einalex | i had an m55 |
| 01:10.16 | holycow | or one of those custom connection cable dongles? |
| 01:10.19 | einalex | interestingly only the buttons used to navigate the menu die |
| 01:10.34 | roh | holycow yes. mini-usb-b |
| 01:10.34 | einalex | atleast with my phones |
| 01:10.44 | holycow | roh: sweet, that also powers up the device? |
| 01:10.50 | roh | yes. |
| 01:10.55 | holycow | niiiiiiiice |
| 01:10.59 | holycow | i've been waiting for this for ever |
| 01:11.14 | holycow | frankly that alone justifies buying one of these |
| 01:11.35 | roh | but it needs a active bus to find out it can draw 500mA. when you plug it somewhere dumb (only 5V) it will limit to 100mA (and still discharge the battery thus if active) |
| 01:11.50 | holycow | makes sense |
| 01:12.02 | roh | gta02 will also be able to switch that port to host and source 100mA 5V for whatever |
| 01:12.43 | holycow | you guys are mostly working on software at this point in time i guess? |
| 01:13.02 | roh | both is going forward. |
| 01:13.11 | holycow | cool |
| 01:13.32 | roh | actually i am quite happy about the hw and system level (uboot, drivers, kernel) progress lately |
| 01:18.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4056 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-pcf50606.patch pcf50633.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:18.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50606-set-irq-type.patch |
| 01:18.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-set-irq-type.patch |
| 01:18.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 01:18.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Remove set_irq_type and use IRQF_FALLING with interrupt enabled all the |
| 01:18.41 | CIA-15 | openmoko: time. |
| 01:18.45 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Use a mutex to stop any reentrancy |
| 01:18.53 | holycow | thank you for the info guys |
| 01:21.34 | cesarb | roh: I am seeing you guys are *really* trying hard to fix every single thing people complained about on GTA01 :D |
| 01:23.32 | roh | cesarb yes... even if gta02 is higher prio we need to keep our roots working and maintained. |
| 01:24.05 | roh | werner and andy know that and sometimes i think it really horts that there is not time to do everywhing which would be good and nice |
| 01:24.36 | roh | but patches are welcome |
| 01:24.50 | roh | and needed. om would not be where it is without the comminity |
| 01:24.53 | roh | +u |
| 01:25.11 | einalex | the devs yho bought the 01 will surely appreciate it |
| 01:25.12 | cesarb | roh: well... just sent a batch of patches to the mailing list :D |
| 01:28.46 | smlsfb | cesarb, congrats :) now to get some people testing it! |
| 01:29.15 | roh | btw.. i will be doing gsm fw updates on request for people in germany soon. |
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| 01:29.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4057 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-pcf50606.patch pcf50633.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:29.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50606-atomic-i2c-int-read.patch |
| 01:29.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-atomic-i2c-int-read.patch |
| 01:29.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Datasheet says reading the interrupt source regs (and thereby |
| 01:29.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: clearing them) must be done in a single i2c read transaction |
| 01:29.21 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 01:29.22 | roh | so not only michael in the us does that |
| 01:29.23 | CIA-15 | openmoko: series: temporarily backed out fix-pcf50633-LOWBAT-kill-init.patch, since it |
| 01:29.43 | cesarb | smlsfb: it's not quite ready for testing... it's more so the kernel devs can point out areas which are obviously wrong |
| 01:30.18 | cesarb | smlsfb: of course, if they decide to get the patches and enhance them (or complete the missing parts - especially on GTA02 which is harder for me to do), it would be great |
| 01:30.20 | balrog-kun | cesarb: great, i hope it gets picked up quickly |
| 01:30.54 | smlsfb | that's fair |
| 01:30.59 | cesarb | balrog-kun: I doubt it, as I said, it's not ready (but they might decide it's more ready than other things they already picked, so... I really have no idea if it will be picked or not :D ) |
| 01:31.18 | balrog-kun | cesarb: are you planning to send to linux-arm-kernel also? |
| 01:31.38 | balrog-kun | then omenmoko-kernel wouldn't have much choice :p |
| 01:32.58 | cesarb | balrog-kun: only after it's REALLY ready. The openmoko kernel is more accepting of experimental code than the upstream. |
| 01:33.14 | cesarb | balrog-kun: just look at the churn of the ar6k driver, for instance |
| 01:34.00 | cesarb | balrog-kun: the trouble is that it _should_ be easy... just add a notifier to each driver, it's kinda boilerplate... however... |
| 01:34.26 | cesarb | balrog-kun: we have things like the usb gadget driver which is always turned on (why? because nobody turned it off... :P ) |
| 01:34.33 | cesarb | balrog-kun: lots and lots of detail |
| 01:34.43 | balrog-kun | cesarb: well, ar6k is strictly openmoko :p |
| 01:34.53 | balrog-kun | this is mostly s3c2410 |
| 01:35.06 | mmontour | cesarb: Do you plan to add support for the SD card? I would like to use your patches but I have my root filesystem on SD. |
| 01:35.11 | cesarb | balrog-kun: and things don't work... the serial driver didn't like some frequencies, the framebuffer driver deadlocked, and so on... |
| 01:35.16 | balrog-kun | plus ar6k is a really really unacceptable state for the upstream |
| 01:35.21 | balrog-kun | *in |
| 01:36.05 | cesarb | mmontour: well, I *plan* to add support for all the GTA01 devices and some of the GTA02 devices, but the *order* in which I will do so... SD will probably be dead last, since AFAIK it already doesn't work even without cpufreq :D |
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| 01:38.19 | cesarb | mmontour: however, the SD card will probably be one of the "easy" ones (add two notifier blocks, set up the notifiers at the correct places, update the frequency in the transition notifier, use the policy helper in the policy notifier, update the policy when something interesting happens) |
| 01:38.48 | cesarb | mmontour: unless it's one which (like serial) has to "quiesce" the hardware. THAT is annoying to do... (serial for instance, which took me quite some time) |
| 01:39.55 | mmontour | Unfortunately I can't really help there - I don't know the details of how the SD driver works, and I don't currently have enough free time to learn it. |
| 01:40.09 | cesarb | mmontour: who has enough free time? :D |
| 01:40.46 | mmontour | Anyway, thanks for what you've done so far. |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4058 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (3 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-LOWBAT-kill-init.patch |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fix-pcf50606-LOWBAT-kill-init.patch |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: [ GTA01 part untested but highly likely to be fine. ] |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Until now the driver treats LOWBAT as a fatal crisis and responds |
| 01:43.40 | CIA-15 | openmoko: by going postal on init. But the driver didn't think that we can |
| 01:43.44 | CIA-15 | openmoko: have adapter or USB power and no battery, which is fine. |
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| 01:54.37 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4059 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: |
| 01:54.37 | CIA-15 | openmoko: pcf50633.patch: |
| 01:54.37 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50633.c (pcf50633_detect): don't use "marketing name" to |
| 01:54.37 | CIA-15 | openmoko: identify the driver |
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| 02:11.05 | mwester-road | "...untested but highly likely to be fine" <---- Boy, those are Famous Last Words!!! :-) |
| 02:12.01 | mwester-road | (Right in the category of "The fix was so simple, I didn't feel it necessary to test it." :p ) |
| 02:12.42 | balrog-kun | heh |
| 02:13.01 | balrog-kun | fortunately it only means that wpwrak has not tested it but andy has obviously |
| 02:14.14 | mmontour | "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." |
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| 02:31.55 | KrisAbsinthe | Any super good tricks for coming out of deep discharge ? |
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| 02:45.59 | mmontour | KrisAbsinthe: have you tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#Neo1973_emergency_charging ? |
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| 02:50.55 | KrisAbsinthe | mmontour: Yeah, just hoped there was a hack. Maybe some U-boot and kernel code to avoid deep discharge |
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| 02:55.21 | mmontour | The "hack" for now is to pull the battery for a few seconds after shutting down the phone (to turn off the GSM modem). There will eventually be a proper fix in software. |
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| 03:06.19 | KrisAbsinthe | Ok, So the OMAP is a type of ARM. the cross tools for GTA01 will work(as i have been told) does this mean that i can use binaries from OM on my OMAP device? Sorry to sound like a "newb" but i have never built a distro before |
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| 03:36.18 | balrog-kun | KrisAbsinthe: yes, you can |
| 03:36.58 | balrog-kun | usually the other way also but not always (OMAP is based on an ARMv5 iirc) |
| 03:38.02 | balrog-kun | OMAP is a system-on-chip including an ARM core, kind of like S3c2410 |
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| 04:00.32 | KrisAbsinthe | balrog-kun: Thanks for the info, ill list you as a contrib for the OM port to HTC wizard |
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| 04:05.53 | balrog-kun | KrisAbsinthe: oh, no need, but thanks :) |
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| 04:06.35 | KrisAbsinthe | It will be a great device as soon as I get a decent OS on it |
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| 05:07.28 | doc|home | from the wiki: "Power management is a lower priority than all of the above for obvious reasons. However, I suspect suspend/resume will get some attention before GTA02 ships" |
| 05:07.35 | doc|home | what sort of lifetime is the battery giving now? |
| 05:10.12 | Psi | i get around 7 hours in full PM mode |
| 05:11.05 | Psi | that's gta01 |
| 05:11.29 | doc|home | any ideas on gta02? |
| 05:11.53 | Psi | none |
| 05:12.31 | Psi | but with the power bug fixed it should be much better |
| 05:12.41 | doc|home | hopefully :) |
| 05:14.39 | Psi | if i had to guess id expect maybe 4 days |
| 05:19.04 | doc|home | that'd be good enough for me anyway |
| 05:20.11 | Sonicadvance1 | nice |
| 05:20.22 | Psi | ? |
| 05:20.36 | Sonicadvance1 | Random Gibba Gabba |
| 05:23.14 | P2E | mr t note: "jibba jabba" is spelled with the letter j |
| 05:23.58 | P2E | unless you are referring to bloody bodily pieces created from explosions, possibly due to rocket launchers, and the style of techno/hardcore music. |
| 05:24.44 | Sonicadvance1 | Gibblets? :D |
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| 05:26.35 | P2E | you, sir, have been eating too much pet food |
| 05:33.46 | Sonicadvance1 | Maybe a little bit |
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| 06:11.08 | P2E | Atul_: try putting a slash where the # is and the # in front of c |
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| 08:21.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:52.18 | SpeedEvil | I've found a way to make GPRS feel much faster. |
| 08:52.40 | SpeedEvil | On the sownside, my DSL connection now is exhibiting 8s pings. |
| 08:52.58 | SpeedEvil | s/sown/down/ |
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| 09:05.19 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03tick * r4062 10/developers/tick/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 09:05.19 | CIA-15 | openmoko: stackutil: A debug util |
| 09:05.19 | CIA-15 | openmoko: ecoreglib: Integrate the main loop of E into glib |
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| 09:17.13 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:28.57 | zash | mornin' |
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| 10:38.26 | florian | good morning |
| 10:39.45 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r76 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/ (gsm0710muxd.conf org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.service.in): gsm0710muxd: prepare dbus interface for system activation |
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| 10:52.25 | Atul_ | Tick, Hi I face problem while executing the AT commands it gives error message like "Unable to handle packet type2" while executing 4-5 AT commands |
| 11:05.08 | ScaredyCat | w00t! |
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| 11:56.12 | niv_ | hi all |
| 11:56.47 | niv_ | hrw: you here? |
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| 12:11.29 | smilingMan | I am seeking to sync my gpe with the pc, did anyone have luck using opensync 0.36? |
| 12:11.35 | smilingMan | is this the right place to ask? |
| 12:12.19 | smilingMan | second question: do you use the same IM account on the handheld and the pc? I am and this creates some issues |
| 12:12.33 | smilingMan | what is the practical solution? |
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| 12:22.11 | wirrwarr | heya~ |
| 12:24.10 | smilingMan | wirrwarr : hi, I got my gtalk account on my handheld as well as on my pc, but when both work, some messeges arrive only to the pc |
| 12:24.34 | smilingMan | are you guys using on IM account for the pc and another for the handheld? |
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| 13:40.56 | Tuju | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 |
| 13:41.04 | Tuju | Any idea when they might be accepting orders? |
| 13:41.39 | SpeedEvil | Maybe april |
| 13:41.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not going to be user-ready at that time. |
| 13:42.00 | Tuju | sounds good :) |
| 13:42.17 | Tuju | i'd be happy just to place and receive calls and sms |
| 13:42.38 | SpeedEvil | It - mostly - works for that at the moment |
| 13:43.02 | Tuju | well, that's more than enough... my e65 won't even hold power on. |
| 13:49.23 | Tuju | SpeedEvil thanks for the info! |
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| 15:41.09 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:56.01 | Zalmon | hello |
| 16:56.21 | Zalmon | does anybody know how much battery life the freerunner has at the moment? |
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| 16:57.11 | Zalmon | anybody? |
| 16:57.38 | _diego__ | it's not selled yet... so i can't check ^^ |
| 16:57.46 | Zalmon | :) i know that |
| 16:58.08 | Zalmon | but maybe some of you were testers of the latest hardware or know something i couldn't find on the wiki |
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| 16:58.45 | _diego__ | i think that with software that are not still ready is hard to figure out... |
| 16:59.00 | raboof | i heard it's not entirely clear if the battery life problems we're having are mostly hardware or mostly software... |
| 16:59.11 | raboof | i'm definitely not an insider though :) |
| 16:59.29 | vininim | Zalmon: check openmoko-kernel mailing list, some hardware bugs were found/fixed that seems to make it pretty good (at hardware side) |
| 17:00.39 | Zalmon | ok, thank you very much |
| 17:01.37 | vininim | just my speculation/understanding on what I read though, but people are enthusiastic =) |
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| 17:26.57 | ScaredyCat | even when he's sick he can fix stuff |
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| 17:29.43 | Mononoke | wouldn't be better to make him soup/tea ? |
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| 17:36.00 | ScaredyCat | chicken soup, but I don't really want to get too close if he has the flu ;) |
| 17:36.08 | ScaredyCat | cookie on a stick |
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| 17:37.32 | Mononoke | eheh |
| 17:37.48 | Mononoke | you could try implementing chicken soup over tcp/ip |
| 17:40.13 | robtaylor | Mononoke: or tcp/ip over chicken soup... |
| 17:42.18 | Mononoke | that might be possible |
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| 19:08.25 | mortenlysgaard | Hi, anyone here with a little more experience than me in c++. I'm wondering how to most effectively make a on screen keyboard: This is the idea: http://www.exideas.com/ME/DeviceSimulators/NintendoDS.html |
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| 19:10.07 | SpeedEvil | python works too |
| 19:10.09 | mortenlysgaard | I've tried gtk, and it worked ok, but the app got quite heavy because of the massive amount of objects, 3*3 fields, each containing (3*3)+1 labels and fields. So anuone have a good idea of how to draw 9 fields who can take input and show letters? |
| 19:10.23 | mortenlysgaard | I've done it in python |
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| 19:11.12 | mortenlysgaard | I'm the maker of the FingerKeyboard project on projects.openmoko: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/finger-keyboard/ |
| 19:11.27 | SpeedEvil | what's your best wpm for stuff? |
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| 19:12.23 | mortenlysgaard | Sorry, I didn't get you.. |
| 19:12.31 | SpeedEvil | words per minute |
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| 19:12.47 | mortenlysgaard | I dunno, i don't own a neo |
| 19:12.49 | mortenlysgaard | :S |
| 19:12.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 19:13.24 | mortenlysgaard | Can't afford both gta1 and 2, so i'll have to wait |
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| 19:13.56 | mortenlysgaard | What i'm certain is that it's one of the better ways to input text on the small screen |
| 19:14.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. |
| 19:14.14 | SpeedEvil | T9 can be quite fast |
| 19:14.38 | mortenlysgaard | Yeah, but it's patented, and also unoptimised |
| 19:15.13 | mortenlysgaard | Would be much more efficient if the most used letters where clumped together |
| 19:15.39 | SpeedEvil | I don't know I agree |
| 19:16.03 | SpeedEvil | If there are few enough keys that you can get between them without much delay... |
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| 19:16.53 | mortenlysgaard | You mean T9? |
| 19:17.22 | SpeedEvil | ues |
| 19:17.37 | mortenlysgaard | Yeah, true |
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| 19:18.03 | mortenlysgaard | Hmm.. I just got a brainwave |
| 19:18.20 | mortenlysgaard | You know how the messageEase input works? |
| 19:18.25 | SpeedEvil | complex multi-action sequences to make a char only have a big win if they put in a lot of data |
| 19:18.49 | SpeedEvil | And don't require the user to memorise lots |
| 19:19.10 | mortenlysgaard | Yes, true |
| 19:20.02 | mortenlysgaard | But sometimes you'll want to write long sms' or note somthing down, then it's painfully slow to use the standard cellphone way |
| 19:20.06 | raster | bing |
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| 19:20.39 | ljp | thats where bt keyboards come in |
| 19:20.53 | SpeedEvil | Or voice notes. |
| 19:22.04 | mortenlysgaard | If your dragging a bt keyboard, couldn't you just grab your laptop? |
| 19:22.16 | SpeedEvil | There are BT keybs and BT keybs. |
| 19:22.19 | ljp | i want to ee a keyboard that does morse code. only one button. |
| 19:22.22 | ljp | see |
| 19:22.35 | SpeedEvil | From the full-sized to credit card sized |
| 19:22.55 | ljp | or a software old skool rotary dialer |
| 19:22.58 | mortenlysgaard | True, frogboard or somthing is really small |
| 19:23.19 | SpeedEvil | There are even fgolding things about the size and the weight of a neo |
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| 19:25.28 | mortenlysgaard | Well, there are a million reasons for me to not make this app, but I want to, if for nothing else just to prove it to myself that I can make something usefull. So, my question still stands, is there any god way of drawing in c++ any of you know of? |
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| 19:25.49 | ljp | qtopia :) |
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| 19:26.29 | mortenlysgaard | Err... Don't like qt, no other options? |
| 19:27.02 | ljp | i guess you could try gmm |
| 19:27.19 | mortenlysgaard | Bad? |
| 19:27.53 | ljp | its a c++ wrapper for gtk |
| 19:28.12 | ljp | why dont you like qt? |
| 19:28.14 | mortenlysgaard | why not gtk++? |
| 19:29.24 | mortenlysgaard | Well, never tried it, mostly because it's made by a big company, contra many hobbydevelopers. |
| 19:29.36 | ljp | same basic thing as gmm |
| 19:29.48 | ljp | trolltech is not big |
| 19:30.17 | mortenlysgaard | It's norwegian, just as me :D |
| 19:30.40 | ljp | i dont think big companies allow their CEO to druken wrestle with develoeprs |
| 19:31.11 | mortenlysgaard | Hehe, it's norway afterall =D You from norway too? |
| 19:31.29 | ljp | nope. originally from US but living in australia |
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| 19:32.35 | mortenlysgaard | Ok, quite far from Norway then, anyways, we're living in a small world |
| 19:32.53 | mortenlysgaard | =D |
| 19:33.01 | mortenlysgaard | But ljp, you know how to use qtopia? |
| 19:33.05 | ljp | yes |
| 19:33.18 | ljp | i work for trolltech :) |
| 19:33.52 | mortenlysgaard | Ok, i'm looking on the sites for it now, is it a whole OS for the neo? |
| 19:34.09 | ljp | just gui. we use the openmoko distribution |
| 19:34.29 | ljp | at least for the neo |
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| 19:35.10 | mortenlysgaard | Ok, so if i'd like to make a hello world app in qtopia, what tools do i need for starters. I'm on a gnome desktop with qt libs, but no kde. I don't own a neo |
| 19:35.56 | ljp | youcold grab the vmware sdk isoa dn isntall that. there is a way to just install the tools and such |
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| 19:36.53 | ljp | just mount ths iso, extras qtopia.iso. mount that and run manual-install.sh |
| 19:37.05 | ljp | extract the qtopia.iso |
| 19:37.28 | ljp | hmm which reminds me, that script is in the wrong place |
| 19:37.43 | mortenlysgaard | Hehe, you're going a bit fast for me |
| 19:38.02 | mortenlysgaard | So, i have to install a VM so that i can emu. the neo? |
| 19:38.07 | ljp | maybe i will add qtopia.iso to the downloads |
| 19:38.25 | ljp | no, the vmware is mostly for windows and mac developers |
| 19:39.10 | mortenlysgaard | Ok, so do i need to emu. or can i run native in my gentoo, gnome env.? |
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| 19:39.42 | ljp | if you install the qtopia.iso, which I will put up at qtopia.net when i get to work, you can run it natively |
| 19:39.51 | ljp | no emu required |
| 19:40.01 | AmR-eye | amon-ra everyone |
| 19:40.09 | AmR-eye | Would you like to read the reveal? |
| 19:40.27 | mortenlysgaard | Ok, you've got the qtopia.iso? |
| 19:40.33 | AmR-eye | It involves biblical figures |
| 19:40.59 | ljp | mortenlysgaard: yes, if you can wait an hour or so for me to get into work, i will upload one at qtopia.net |
| 19:41.02 | AmR-eye | yes or no? |
| 19:41.21 | AmR-eye | it must not be given against will |
| 19:41.25 | mortenlysgaard | ljp, Cool :D |
| 19:41.50 | AmR-eye | BEGINNITIO REVELATIONEM |
| 19:41.56 | AmR-eye | DECODE BIBLIA |
| 19:41.57 | mortenlysgaard | ljp, Are you a qtopia dev.? |
| 19:42.03 | AmR-eye | Revel - Abraham is associated with the Egyptian pharaoh Amenemhat I (translates: amen is the head) who worshiped the god Amun (Amen). Abraham god then be associated with in the Abrahamic religions god as amun, amon, omon, amen and the deity aamon. Abraham/Amenemhet I |
| 19:42.15 | ljp | mortenlysgaard: yes. i developed the neo port of qtopia |
| 19:42.24 | AmR-eye | Revel - Jacob = King Yakubher |
| 19:42.24 | AmR-eye | Revel - Moses = Thutmose III |
| 19:42.24 | AmR-eye | Revel - David = Psusennes I |
| 19:42.24 | AmR-eye | Revel - Solomon = Siamun (translates: son of amun) |
| 19:42.24 | AmR-eye | Revel - James = Ptolemy Philadelphus |
| 19:42.27 | AmR-eye | Revel - Thomas Judas Didymus = Alexander Helios |
| 19:42.29 | AmR-eye | Revel - Mary Magdalene = Cleopatra Selene II |
| 19:42.32 | AmR-eye | FINALIZE REVELATIONEM |
| 19:42.34 | Stephmw | somebody kick that bot please |
| 19:42.38 | AmR-eye | BIBLIA CHARACTER 1 |
| 19:42.43 | AmR-eye | REVELATIONEM DE CHRISTUS |
| 19:42.43 | AmR-eye | Revel - JESUS = CAESARION, Ptolemy XV, King of kings, little ceasar, Isa, Jesus |
| 19:42.46 | AmR-eye | The son of Julius Ceasar / Divine Julius and Clepatra VII / Goddes Isis |
| 19:42.49 | AmR-eye | Married to his half sister at "wedding in cana" |
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| 19:43.08 | ljp | ignore is wonderful as well |
| 19:43.28 | mortenlysgaard | ljp, Kinda cool, you work at TrollTech or are you doing charity? |
| 19:43.37 | ljp | at Trollech |
| 19:43.45 | ljp | we develop qtopia in australia |
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| 19:45.29 | mortenlysgaard | ljp, Wow, well, have to say i admire everyone that works with OpenSource |
| 19:45.39 | ljp | me too |
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| 19:46.45 | mortenlysgaard | ljp, http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=55 Is this usable, or should i wait for that .iso? |
| 19:47.34 | ljp | that is the vmware iso, it will contain a qtopia.iso that contains the toolchain, qtopia binaries and scripts and things |
| 19:48.03 | ljp | depends on your bandwidth, the qtopia.iso is half that size |
| 19:48.33 | mortenlysgaard | Ok |
| 19:48.49 | mortenlysgaard | This then? http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=38 |
| 19:48.58 | mortenlysgaard | Only the toolchain? |
| 19:52.52 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; Q: Doesn't qtopia use X? |
| 19:54.21 | balrog-kun | no, it doesn't |
| 19:54.27 | balrog-kun | by default |
| 19:55.02 | mortenlysgaard | Why toss away code that's so tested and tried? |
| 19:55.43 | balrog-kun | uhg.. that's been discussed soooooooo many times |
| 19:56.20 | mortenlysgaard | I'm just asking, not criticising |
| 19:56.24 | kdean06 | Can we add it to the topic? |
| 19:56.35 | balrog-kun | you could ask google |
| 19:57.01 | kdean06 | mortenlysgaard, SHort answer: Open platforms enable as many toolkits as possible, and there's a ton of X dependant ones. |
| 19:57.08 | ljp | becasue it adds another level to things |
| 19:57.20 | kdean06 | Oh, sorry, wrong question. :D |
| 19:57.37 | ljp | one an embedded device you are probably not going to have more than one toolkit |
| 19:58.31 | mortenlysgaard | Tru, ok, good reason |
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| 19:59.02 | mortenlysgaard | But what does qtopia use then? I's own window system? |
| 19:59.59 | ljp | yes. QWS Qt Window Server |
| 20:00.18 | mortenlysgaard | Hm, sounds sound ;) |
| 20:00.19 | ljp | runs on the framebuffer |
| 20:02.27 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; Well, that app i was talking about. What i need is to make somthing like this: http://www.exideas.com/ME/DeviceSimulators/NintendoDS.html |
| 20:04.10 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; That is a x*x area filled with keys with 9 labels on, it also has to capture events (mouse) in some way. When i did this in gtk it got wery heavy, to many objects, labels and buttons. Any idea of a way to make this less heavy? |
| 20:05.16 | brgs | mortenlysgaard: pure xt? |
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| 20:07.55 | mortenlysgaard | brgs; xt? |
| 20:08.06 | mortenlysgaard | x terminal? |
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| 20:08.53 | brgs | mortenlysgaard: Good old X Toolkit. Use one big label and catch all the mouseevents in the |
| 20:09.00 | brgs | mainloop. |
| 20:09.56 | GoldenHawk | Hi all :) I've been hearing about 'android' and I wonder if it will play nice with openmoko... for example, can an android implementation be made into software that can be opened and run under openmoko |
| 20:10.19 | mortenlysgaard | brgs; Hm.. first, how would i format the text using one label? |
| 20:12.18 | mortenlysgaard | GoldenHawk; Although Android is linux it probably won't play natively with the Openmoko. But if Android don't flops, (probably not since it's google) There will garanteed be some compatibillity project |
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| 20:12.39 | kdean06 | GoldenHawk, Android is not all Free Software and is fundimentally different than what OpenMoko is. |
| 20:12.56 | GoldenHawk | kdean06: Do you know which parts are not free software? |
| 20:13.23 | kdean06 | Specifically, no, I've not looked too much into it. Java frightens me. |
| 20:14.57 | brgs | mortenlysgaard: I was thinking about something like a drawing area. You'ld have to paint the text, where you want it. |
| 20:15.34 | GoldenHawk | mortenlysgaard: Yeah someone will probably make it run on the Neo 1973.. since it's designed to run Linux and android, as far as I understand, is under the Apache license. But what I wonder is if android can be encapsulated within an openmoko program (similar to how a android emulator can be run on PC) with access to the hardware. |
| 20:15.51 | GoldenHawk | Or like kdean06 says, some sort of compatibility layer |
| 20:16.07 | GoldenHawk | But if it's not free software then I don't care anymore :p I need to find out exactly what's restricted if anything. |
| 20:17.17 | mortenlysgaard | GoldenHawk; I'd rather stick with OpenMoko than Anroid, mostly beacuse OpenMoko is _true_ Open Source. And based on C code, not shitty java |
| 20:17.19 | kdean06 | GoldenHawk, I'm sure chunks will come from the Android (as a project) thought if like a default android image will work, I don't know or really care. But I'm sure that android-based apps, written as free software, will eventually make their way onto a Neo. |
| 20:17.32 | kdean06 | If that matters in the long run is a different story. :P |
| 20:18.29 | GoldenHawk | mortenlysgaard: I agree with your sentiment :) I'm just curious. |
| 20:18.37 | zedstar | gtk+ gotta be the way to go openmoko, maemo, and now ALP... that is a quite a range you could easily move your apps across |
| 20:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1227 has been created by onno(AT)gmx.net |
| 20:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * Screen saver during call |
| 20:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1227 |
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| 20:19.34 | GoldenHawk | Hm.. these are all good points. |
| 20:23.46 | Fuzzy | has anyone considered compiz on the phone yet? |
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| 20:24.57 | zash | ehm |
| 20:25.00 | zash | not yet |
| 20:25.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1228 has been created by onno(AT)gmx.net |
| 20:25.01 | cdbot2 | * * SIM PIN entry has no 'back' button |
| 20:25.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1228 |
| 20:25.44 | zash | Fuzzy: afaik there is no 3d-support in current drivers |
| 20:26.33 | SpeedEvil | There is no planned 3D support for freerunner. |
| 20:26.35 | SpeedEvil | Ever. |
| 20:26.36 | Fuzzy | what video chipset is it using? |
| 20:26.38 | GoldenHawk | Fuzzy: If I recall correctly from the wiki, 3D won't be available on the Neo 1973 due to NDAs.. I don't suppose there's any reason not to support compiz-style 3D in openmoko eventually, but it will depend on being ported to an open-phone that supports it. |
| 20:26.40 | SpeedEvil | 2D accel only |
| 20:26.50 | GoldenHawk | Oh freerunner? Is that what it's called now? |
| 20:26.58 | SpeedEvil | GoldenHawk: yes |
| 20:27.00 | GoldenHawk | Neat. |
| 20:27.02 | GoldenHawk | Sounds better. |
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| 20:27.23 | SpeedEvil | yes, it makes it clear that it can be dropped off buildings without damage. |
| 20:27.39 | GoldenHawk | o.o Can it really? |
| 20:27.47 | GoldenHawk | I don't intend to try it regardless :p |
| 20:28.11 | SpeedEvil | No - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/freerunning |
| 20:28.55 | GoldenHawk | Oh :) |
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| 20:35.22 | kdean06 | GoldenHawk, Freerunner and Neo1973 are distinct SKUs. |
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| 20:39.05 | GoldenHawk | Oh. |
| 20:39.13 | GoldenHawk | So they're not related? |
| 20:40.03 | ljp | mortenlysgaard: qtopia was made to do those things. any app can easily get access to mouse and key events |
| 20:40.48 | kdean06 | They're related but they're not the same. |
| 20:41.18 | kdean06 | Neo1973 is the first generation of handheld "phones" from FIC/OpenMoko Inc. Freerunner is the second-generation. |
| 20:41.49 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; I see you want me to try qtopia, and I'll gladly do it, but I'll need a little help to get started, only used gtk before |
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| 20:43.50 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; Looked on the tuts on the qtopia site, seems really clean and easy. So if it's ligthweigth and low level too it's perfect |
| 20:49.49 | GoldenHawk | kdean06: Oh I see. |
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| 21:00.42 | mortenlysgaard | ljp; Do qtopia apps run just like any gtk app on the neo or does somehting have to be done to make it work? |
| 21:01.21 | wurp2 | mortenlysgaard: You should run qtopia (an alternative to openmoko) if you're running qt apps |
| 21:01.34 | wurp2 | mortenlysgaard: It's a different OS stack |
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| 21:02.14 | mortenlysgaard | wurp2; Ok, so it's a bit like gnome/kde? |
| 21:02.35 | balrog-kun | just try it out |
| 21:02.50 | mortenlysgaard | balrog-kun; If i just had a Neo |
| 21:03.07 | wurp2 | mortenlysgaard: Yeah |
| 21:03.14 | wurp2 | mortenlysgaard: Only a little deeper |
| 21:03.42 | wurp2 | Since they appear to expect different versions of some apps above the kernel but below the windowing system |
| 21:03.55 | balrog-kun | Qtopia runs on PC also, even with a pretty Neo1973 skin |
| 21:04.06 | mortenlysgaard | wurp2; Yeah ofc. because gnome/kde have some cross compability, Openmoko/Qtopia doesn't |
| 21:04.33 | balrog-kun | Qtopia has something in commong with KDE, the qt library, but KDE is only a desktop environment |
| 21:04.36 | mortenlysgaard | balrog-kun; Ok, but then i'd need a vm, and i can't get on e working |
| 21:04.38 | balrog-kun | not a whole stack |
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| 21:05.17 | mortenlysgaard | balrog-kun; Yeah, I know, but it's the most in common thing i could remember |
| 21:06.55 | wurp2 | kdean06: It looks like the 2/13 build is a loss |
| 21:07.27 | kdean06 | For users, yes. I think it's a relatively minor fix though before it works well. |
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| 21:07.40 | kdean06 | All of the problems were really the same cause, modules/kernel mismatch. |
| 21:07.57 | wurp2 | kdean06: And this is the first build migrated to the new kernel? |
| 21:08.07 | wurp2 | Did you try running it w/ the old kernel? |
| 21:08.16 | wurp2 | I wonder if they just shouldn't have put a kernel image out with it |
| 21:08.37 | wurp2 | I am running a 12/17 build right now, to avoid the keyboard issue :-( |
| 21:09.16 | wurp2 | No one seems to have updated my crappy page about it with some real advice about adding keyboard back to the gtconf and running matchbox-keyboard in daemon mode |
| 21:09.28 | wurp2 | I may play some with it tonight, since I'm back on a build that has that stuff going |
| 21:09.43 | kdean06 | Yes, it's the first 2.6.24 build. And I tried the 2.6.22 image, sound doesn't work. :) |
| 21:10.13 | kdean06 | I expect that tomorrow or the day after that will be fixed, and you could toss in a modules tarball yourself (I always run out of space). |
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| 21:16.49 | wurp2 | I will probably limit my playing to getting the matchbox-keyboard working better. I'll use the 11th build as my baseline |
| 21:16.55 | wurp2 | If I find time to do anything at all, that is |
| 21:18.25 | mmontour | kdean06: SD-card support is still broken in 2.6.24 (at least it was the last time I checked). |
| 21:18.48 | wurp2 | that's kind of a show stopper |
| 21:19.02 | kdean06 | :( |
| 21:19.13 | kdean06 | So it is the SD card, and not the filesystem modules? |
| 21:19.18 | kdean06 | Fair enough. :) |
| 21:19.30 | mmontour | Yes, you get errors just trying to read the partition table |
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| 21:19.44 | kdean06 | Any idea why? |
| 21:20.07 | kdean06 | Or... More to the point, any solution in the foreseable future? |
| 21:20.26 | mmontour | No idea, but there's a bug filed (#1223) |
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| 21:21.57 | balrog-kun | someone figured out that the first character of a write or read was ok in the block but the rest was garbage |
| 21:22.44 | mmontour | 2.6.24 also renamed some paths in /sys (e.g. for the PMU controls), requiring userspace changes in stuff like the gsmd init script. gllin (GPS) will also be broken until they add a symlink for the old name back into /sys (as it hard-codes those paths) |
| 21:23.19 | wurp2 | Sounds as if I might be parked on an old version for a while |
| 21:23.43 | anrp | clearly, the solution is XML |
| 21:23.45 | anrp | !! |
| 21:24.14 | balrog-kun | and ASP |
| 21:24.16 | balrog-kun | .net |
| 21:29.59 | zash | and why not add some AJAX on that |
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| 21:54.40 | br3n | mmontour, SD card for 2.6.24 has a patch (today from Andy Green see kernel list) |
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