| 00:01.25 | cesarb | ok, added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/cpufreq#Testing_report (this seems to slowly be becoming a blog... :D ) |
| 00:02.02 | SpeedEvil | I notice that the speed of the blogging speeds up and slows down in an irregular manner :) |
| 00:03.02 | mickeyl | Mek: that's an exaggaration |
| 00:03.07 | mickeyl | but if so, then... stability? :D |
| 00:03.10 | mickeyl | patches welcome |
| 00:03.55 | Mek | mickeyl: the version of libxine in openembedded is from july 2005, the version of libpcre was even older... okay, probably some packages are maintained/up-to-date... :) |
| 00:04.05 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:04.08 | mickeyl | libxine on arm is a nightmare |
| 00:04.39 | mickeyl | look at all the patches we need |
| 00:04.40 | mickeyl | i guess we just gave up on that |
| 00:04.40 | mickeyl | that's why no one updated it |
| 00:04.45 | cesarb | mickeyl: not to mention volatile packages like tzdata, which can rarely ever cause breakage (but it not being up-to-date is a sort of breakage) |
| 00:04.59 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:05.02 | mickeyl | count the number of packages |
| 00:05.06 | mickeyl | count the number of people |
| 00:05.10 | Mek | okay, libxine might indeed be an exception than :) |
| 00:05.12 | mickeyl | then you come to a conclusion that's pretty insane |
| 00:05.48 | mickeyl | OE is not Ubuntu, OE has ~20 people working on 5000 recipes |
| 00:05.51 | mickeyl | divide that |
| 00:05.52 | mickeyl | and have fun |
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| 00:06.12 | Mek | I just don't want to learn yet another version-control-system, fighting bitbake with no docs, and more stuff like that... |
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| 00:09.59 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:10.01 | mickeyl | bitbake has docs |
| 00:10.08 | mickeyl | and you don't need to learn monotone to submit patches |
| 00:10.19 | mickeyl | if you don't want to contribute, ok |
| 00:10.23 | mickeyl | but please don't try to find excuses |
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| 00:10.44 | Mek | I'm just saying it could have been made easier for someone to contribute, not trying to find excuses |
| 00:11.02 | mickeyl | making this easier is a lot of work in itself |
| 00:11.06 | mickeyl | s/this/things/ |
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| 00:11.21 | mickeyl | a full fledged distribution builder that flexible is just not an easy thing |
| 00:11.24 | mickeyl | it's a complex thing |
| 00:11.34 | mickeyl | inherently |
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| 00:17.27 | cesarb | hm, is gsmd supposed to work in a compile from late last week? |
| 00:17.37 | cesarb | s/in/on/ |
| 00:20.41 | SpeedEvil | Quick poll - does awk -F\" '/\+CNUM:/{print $(NF-1);exit}' /var/volatile/tmp/gsm.log |
| 00:20.46 | SpeedEvil | print your phone number? |
| 00:21.01 | SpeedEvil | Or am I misusing something that won't generally work |
| 00:21.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I am not using a SIM (or even a SD card) on these tests for now ;-) |
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| 00:22.58 | cesarb | (mostly because I only have one SIM... sure, I could borrow one of my relative's, only that it's for a 850 network :D ) |
| 00:24.05 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone have scaling issues with xoo; it is huge |
| 00:29.06 | SpeedEvil | There is no way to read - simply - the manufacturer info of a SD card? |
| 00:30.17 | raster | dunno |
| 00:35.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3929 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (3 files): |
| 00:35.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: We have to be more careful about pending SDIO interrupts from the host side. |
| 00:35.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This patch fixes the iperf bug Nod has been reporting. |
| 00:35.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
| 00:35.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: [ And does some general housekeeping as well. - Werner ] |
| 00:40.12 | cesarb | great, after testing on several speeds, the modem fails to answer precisely at 12000 |
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| 00:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3930 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: |
| 00:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Whenever our ar6k chip can not be identified, we are trying to unregister |
| 00:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: our netdevice although it was never registered. |
| 00:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This patch fixes this bug. |
| 00:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
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| 00:55.59 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 00:55.59 | SpeedEvil | I just rebooted my neo three times, trying to work out why the screen wasn't working. |
| 00:55.59 | SpeedEvil | I have it on my desk. |
| 00:55.59 | SpeedEvil | Screen is much more visible when it's facing upwards. |
| 00:55.59 | Mek | lol |
| 00:56.00 | SpeedEvil | I was tapping the back, and wondering why the sound wasn't working. |
| 00:56.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3931 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch: |
| 00:56.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: We have to be more careful about pending SDIO interrupts from the host |
| 00:56.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: side. This patch fixes the iperf bug Nod has been reporting. |
| 00:56.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
| 00:56.01 | CIA-9 | openmoko: [ And does some general housekeeping as well. - Werner ] |
| 00:56.01 | CIA-9 | openmoko: gta01-vibrator.patch: global renaming of "gta01" to "neo1973", except for |
| 00:56.01 | CIA-9 | openmoko: asm/arch/gta01.h and machine_is_neo1973_gta01 |
| 00:56.12 | SpeedEvil | not PCLK/4 |
| 00:56.24 | SpeedEvil | (22.16Mhz) |
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| 01:01.45 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3932 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 01:01.45 | CIA-9 | openmoko: vib-trashes-resume-fix.patch: |
| 01:01.45 | CIA-9 | openmoko: The resume stuff for vibrator was broken --> OOPS... I guess it was never |
| 01:01.45 | CIA-9 | openmoko: tested on GTA02 yet considering it did not have an active device associated |
| 01:01.45 | CIA-9 | openmoko: with the driver until today. Fixed. |
| 01:01.49 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 01:01.51 | CIA-9 | openmoko: gta01-vibrator.patch: |
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| 01:40.32 | SpeedEvil | WTF... 'After 10 minutes at 450C, one of the SIM cards remained readable'. |
| 01:40.56 | SpeedEvil | (of recovering data from SIM cards) |
| 01:41.23 | andylockran | 450*C ? |
| 01:41.37 | SpeedEvil | If that's the phone+SIM - I can sort-of-see it, as the phone will melt and shield it to a degree |
| 01:41.49 | SpeedEvil | If it's the bare SIM I don't understand. |
| 01:41.49 | maito | 450 celsius degrees? |
| 01:41.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:42.33 | andylockran | useful |
| 01:42.40 | SpeedEvil | http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJFbCLMvdDiXnVe0FXS9sKVU75cA |
| 01:43.01 | andylockran | slightly OT - but how can I revoke a gpg key with the revoke certificate? |
| 01:43.26 | SpeedEvil | Using acid, the researchers gently stripped the protective epoxy moulding surrounding each chip in order to expose its circuitry. |
| 01:43.26 | SpeedEvil | The cards were then placed in heated air for 10 minutes, were allowed to cool and the researchers then sought to recover data by attaching tiny probes to the circuit and reading its contents via an interface pad. |
| 01:43.27 | SpeedEvil | Six cards were heated to around 180 C (356 F) and could be read after rewiring with no loss of data. |
| 01:43.32 | maito | but SpeedEvil |
| 01:43.58 | maito | it has metal too? just a bit.. |
| 01:44.01 | SpeedEvil | Five were cooked to 450 C (842 F). Four of them could not be read by the researchers, but the fifth one could, briefly. |
| 01:44.24 | SpeedEvil | So this is 'what can the chip take' - not 'what's practical with a whole card' |
| 01:44.38 | SpeedEvil | The limiting case in otherwords |
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| 02:49.57 | sparq | Crap. The IDE drive in my IBM X40 just died. |
| 02:50.17 | sparq | IBM-- # weird, non-stadard drive form factor |
| 02:50.21 | sparq | well, it |
| 02:50.38 | raster | 1.8"? |
| 02:50.41 | ewon | not a standard 2.5"? |
| 02:50.43 | ewon | shit |
| 02:50.44 | sparq | Yep. |
| 02:51.03 | sparq | I guess it is a standard, but he x40 is the only laptop I know of that uses it. |
| 02:51.41 | sparq | almost all the 1.8" drives use a ZIF connector, but this one uses a standard IDE pinout |
| 02:53.57 | raster | nah |
| 02:54.02 | raster | oooh |
| 02:54.08 | raster | 1.8" but different connector |
| 02:54.09 | raster | aaah |
| 02:55.00 | sparq | Only the (expensive) Hitachi drives will work. |
| 03:02.47 | ewon | hoors |
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| 03:06.30 | sparq | I *loathe* hard drives. I've never had a volontary laptop replacement. The hard drive always croaks while I'm still perfectly happy with the machine. |
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| 03:07.05 | sparq | Has anyone in here used a solid state IDE drive before? |
| 03:09.01 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 03:09.36 | SpeedEvil | to a imited degree |
| 03:09.48 | SpeedEvil | 512M CF->IDE adaptor |
| 03:10.52 | sparq | Hmm. I have a Soekris box with a CF card for the boot drive, and it's a little pokey. |
| 03:11.39 | SpeedEvil | Sure - you can easily get 4G ones |
| 03:11.44 | SpeedEvil | larger is harder to get |
| 03:12.38 | sparq | I've been looking at this one : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552721&CatId=2503 |
| 03:13.28 | sparq | I survived with an 8 GB drive before, but a little bigger would be nice |
| 03:13.53 | raster | thats pretty pricey |
| 03:14.22 | sparq | About the same as the replacement part from IBM ;_; |
| 03:14.53 | raster | considering 8g cf (fast 20mb/sec) is half that price |
| 03:15.14 | raster | u pay an extra $100 just for the 1.8" form factor and cf->ide interface |
| 03:15.25 | sparq | True. |
| 03:16.45 | raster | you can get those for like $10-$20 |
| 03:17.15 | sparq | Hmm... I'll have to see if I can find one that will fit into the drive sled |
| 03:17.46 | raster | u can get one for a 2.5" ide hdd form-factor |
| 03:17.53 | raster | one that even accepts dual CF cards |
| 03:17.58 | raster | so u can put in 2x8g |
| 03:18.01 | raster | or put in 8g now |
| 03:18.04 | raster | and 8g later when its cheaper |
| 03:18.09 | raster | in addition |
| 03:18.17 | raster | that is about $20 |
| 03:18.21 | sparq | 2.5" doesn't do me any good, though |
| 03:18.25 | raster | i know |
| 03:18.36 | raster | just so u know that u pay a premium for the 1.8" there |
| 03:18.56 | sparq | beleive me, I know ;_; |
| 03:19.09 | SpeedEvil | I have a 1.3" drive you could have cheap. |
| 03:19.14 | SpeedEvil | 20MB |
| 03:19.36 | SpeedEvil | Can store tens of mp3s! |
| 03:19.39 | sparq | Whoa, I could maybe fit my kernel on that! |
| 03:20.47 | sparq | I think I have one of those in my junk drawer that I pulled out of an AT&T Eo (don't ask why I had one of those pieces of shit) |
| 03:21.52 | SpeedEvil | I bought 5 surplus. |
| 03:21.58 | SpeedEvil | They were cheap - $20 |
| 03:22.06 | SpeedEvil | And I was sure I'd find some use for them. |
| 03:22.17 | sparq | throwing at coworkers? |
| 03:22.23 | raster | http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11521 |
| 03:22.28 | raster | 1.8" |
| 03:22.36 | raster | CF->ide 1.8" |
| 03:22.51 | raster | not sure if it works for your x40 tho |
| 03:22.56 | SpeedEvil | I was planning at this time a portable PC based on AMDs 386/33 embedded chip |
| 03:23.11 | sparq | Hmm.... |
| 03:23.41 | SpeedEvil | Handheld rather |
| 03:24.15 | sparq | Hmm... I might be able to use that, actually |
| 03:24.31 | SpeedEvil | Naah - it's PIO even. |
| 03:24.46 | sparq | Oh, ick. |
| 03:24.52 | raster | i would defintiely think a cf->ide adaptor if u find one that will work |
| 03:24.56 | raster | then u can buy any cf u like |
| 03:24.58 | SpeedEvil | And Indeed |
| 03:24.58 | raster | any size |
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| 03:25.12 | raster | and replace when its cheaper/bigger |
| 03:25.58 | raster | one day i'll get to replacing the 30g hdd that powers rootfs on my media pc |
| 03:26.06 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts you'll ever see 32G CF |
| 03:26.07 | raster | one day... |
| 03:26.23 | SpeedEvil | No - ever |
| 03:26.28 | SpeedEvil | As in CF will go away |
| 03:26.34 | daMaestro | yea |
| 03:26.52 | raster | SpeedEvil: 32gb cf already exists |
| 03:26.59 | SpeedEvil | Well - 128 then |
| 03:27.20 | raster | for a rootfs |
| 03:27.22 | raster | thats all i need |
| 03:27.29 | raster | hell 4gb is overkill |
| 03:27.34 | raster | my media go on a raid array |
| 03:27.43 | raster | i just want the core os/everyhting to not need a hdd |
| 03:27.44 | sparq | heh. Maybe I could use a dual SD-IDE adapter, and run software RAID |
| 03:28.04 | SpeedEvil | raster: I tend to do similar. |
| 03:28.08 | KrisAbsinthe | Will OM 2007.11 auto switch to USB Host mode? |
| 03:28.13 | SpeedEvil | raster: 4.7G root partition. |
| 03:28.26 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: there is no simple detection mechanism |
| 03:28.36 | raster | SpeedEvil: so u find replacing the hdd with cf works well? |
| 03:28.51 | SpeedEvil | I've only done it on a carputer |
| 03:28.57 | sparq | SpeedEvil: How did you discover that adapter only uses PIO mode? |
| 03:29.02 | SpeedEvil | 4.7G root partition - for easy backups. |
| 03:29.15 | SpeedEvil | sparrow: no - it was a 1.3" PIO 20MB hard drive |
| 03:29.17 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: Thanks, are there developers working on it or is that a good project for me? |
| 03:30.03 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: well - not really - there is no automated way to detect if a device or a host is plugged in |
| 03:30.24 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: I suppose you could try to talk host if there is no device. But that's a bit messy. |
| 03:32.14 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: It could be done on Device IDs , listing what devices use Host and falling back on device mode if an ID is not present, a config file kind of like how old PCMCIA drivers were defined |
| 03:33.17 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. |
| 03:33.24 | KrisAbsinthe | sorry, if specific IDs are not present |
| 03:33.33 | SpeedEvil | There are two completely seperate configs that the USB port can be in. |
| 03:33.40 | SpeedEvil | It can pretend to be a device. |
| 03:33.52 | SpeedEvil | Mass-storage, usb-net, usb-serial, or whatever. |
| 03:34.03 | SpeedEvil | You can plug this into a computer and use it as normal. |
| 03:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Or it can be a host - into which you plug devices |
| 03:35.35 | KrisAbsinthe | right, have a daemon that detects which mode in which to set the USB based on a host device list |
| 03:35.49 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work |
| 03:36.03 | SpeedEvil | The two modes are completely seperate. |
| 03:36.12 | SpeedEvil | If you plug two devices together, they don't talk. |
| 03:36.23 | SpeedEvil | If you plug two hosts together they don't talk |
| 03:36.35 | SpeedEvil | I don't think |
| 03:36.48 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 03:37.03 | SpeedEvil | that was a mischan |
| 03:37.05 | SpeedEvil | anyway |
| 03:37.25 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there will be electrical damage |
| 03:37.37 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how much it will confuse a USB host if you plug in another USB host |
| 03:37.55 | SpeedEvil | See fig 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-emitter |
| 03:37.56 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 03:38.20 | KrisAbsinthe | Oh no, i want the Moko to detect my keyboard and switch to device mode automatically |
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| 03:39.19 | SpeedEvil | It's probably reasonable in that case to do the following: |
| 03:39.37 | SpeedEvil | 5V present at USB port: |
| 03:40.06 | SpeedEvil | Set port as device, attempt to get a host to configure us, and charge. |
| 03:40.37 | SpeedEvil | If no response after 1s or so, set port to host, and attempt to configure a device |
| 03:40.53 | SpeedEvil | If no response after 1s, it's a dumb charger. Charge at high rate |
| 03:41.01 | KrisAbsinthe | thats not a bad idea |
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| 03:42.40 | SpeedEvil | If there is no 5V - then the best I think you can do is to simply flip between the two modes. I'm not really sure how much it will upset a host you plug it into in that state. |
| 03:43.35 | KrisAbsinthe | does GTA02 add 5v to the USB, or is that undecided |
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| 03:45.53 | SpeedEvil | yes - at low power |
| 03:46.14 | KrisAbsinthe | sweet |
| 03:46.17 | SpeedEvil | 1ooÍA |
| 03:46.19 | SpeedEvil | 100mA |
| 03:46.28 | KrisAbsinthe | enought for thumb drives |
| 03:46.35 | KrisAbsinthe | *enough |
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| 04:39.40 | bkruse_home | does om-make just find where make install installs the files and packaes them accordingly? |
| 04:41.03 | sparq | Oh, cool. Newegg.com has 32GB CF cards for $134. |
| 04:41.20 | SpeedEvil | That's not _too_ horrible. |
| 04:41.30 | SpeedEvil | 32G microSD'd be lovely |
| 04:41.40 | sparq | and how! |
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| 05:39.00 | bkruse_home | anyone here used libportaudio with openmoko? |
| 05:39.37 | Atul_ | SpeedEvil, Hi I update gsmd patches on to my device and host system and I wrote one application which tested AT Commands whill testing AT Commands application get hangs |
| 05:39.41 | Atul_ | why ? |
| 05:40.41 | SpeedEvil | No clue. |
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| 06:06.04 | poffy_ | DYNAMIC ENTRY |
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| 06:38.50 | bkruse_home | whats the hardware address of the alsa sound device on the moko |
| 06:38.51 | bkruse_home | ? |
| 06:38.52 | bkruse_home | hw:0? |
| 06:39.18 | bkruse_home | or is there a way to search? |
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| 06:42.53 | bkruse_home | anyone? :[ |
| 06:43.09 | cosmin | have you tried "default" ? |
| 06:43.23 | bkruse_home | I will try that |
| 06:43.31 | bkruse_home | (trying to do this with jackd) |
| 06:44.47 | bkruse_home | ugh, I hate portaudio |
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| 06:48.57 | bkruse_home | nope |
| 06:49.03 | cosmin | doesn't work? |
| 06:49.18 | bkruse_home | nope, trying to do this for a simple cli voip client |
| 06:49.32 | bkruse_home | I think its because I am trying to hook in from jackd.....ugh |
| 06:49.53 | cosmin | never tried that |
| 06:50.10 | bkruse_home | ya....I should just bind straight to alsa |
| 06:50.24 | bkruse_home | instead of this jackd->portaudio->alsa crap for cross-platforms |
| 06:51.11 | cosmin | but then you'd need to rewrite for other platforms |
| 06:51.26 | bkruse_home | correct....my current delima |
| 06:51.37 | bkruse_home | instead of a cross-platform gtk voip client (end goal...iax) |
| 06:51.42 | bkruse_home | at least openmoko and maemo |
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| 06:57.08 | bkruse_home | oss is also on the moko right? |
| 06:57.35 | cosmin | afaik, yes |
| 06:57.40 | bkruse_home | k |
| 06:57.43 | bkruse_home | ty :] |
| 06:57.52 | cosmin | :) |
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| 07:00.05 | bkruse_home | all well |
| 07:00.08 | bkruse_home | i hav eto give up for tonight |
| 07:00.23 | bkruse_home | thanks anyways, I will stab at it tomorrow. Getting this to work without portaudio would be just great :] |
| 07:00.47 | cosmin | and without jackd? |
| 07:01.01 | cosmin | are you going to try plain alsa? |
| 07:01.18 | bkruse_home | Alsa or OSS |
| 07:01.23 | bkruse_home | with portaudio I can just choose |
| 07:01.26 | bkruse_home | do I still need jackd? |
| 07:02.02 | cosmin | i'm not sure, i think not |
| 07:02.15 | bkruse_home | crap. |
| 07:02.26 | bkruse_home | ugh I will have to try to figure this mess out tomorrow, want to help? :] |
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| 07:02.55 | cosmin | well, i think i'll still be here |
| 07:03.41 | cosmin | but i'm not really a sound programming expert |
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| 07:42.00 | cosmin | has anyone tried `make flash-qemu-local' recently? (with MokoMakefile) |
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| 07:43.36 | cosmin | i get a timeout error with the u-boot, although it used to work a month ago |
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| 07:44.56 | cosmin | rwhitby, could this be a MokoMakefile problem? |
| 07:48.13 | rwhitby | cosmin: more likely to be a u-boot vs flashing script problem |
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| 07:49.47 | cosmin | could it be that the flashing script is too old? |
| 07:50.12 | cosmin | if i deleted it, would it get re-generated by make? |
| 07:50.16 | rwhitby | no |
| 07:50.22 | rwhitby | it comes from openmoko svn |
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| 07:51.04 | cosmin | so i guess there isn't much i can do |
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| 07:53.41 | rwhitby | cosmin: you can report the problem on the development mailing list, framing it in terms of qemu flashing, u-boot and the script which is used, rather than mentioning MokoMakefile (which may cause some people to ignore your problem) |
| 07:55.13 | cosmin | ok, thank you :) |
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| 08:26.34 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:26.43 | Ghiottone|work | morning all |
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| 08:40.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1194 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de |
| 08:40.02 | cdbot2 | * * Touchscreen Jitter |
| 08:40.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1194 |
| 08:40.56 | cosmin | does anyone know why qemu-neo1973 ignores the virtual sd card? |
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| 08:58.46 | balrog-kun | cosmin: i.e. the kernel doesn't detect it? did you build the mmc driver? |
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| 09:00.00 | cosmin | balrog-kun: i passed the -sd flag to qemu, but there is no mmc* file in /dev |
| 09:00.28 | cosmin | it used to work a month ago, with some older images |
| 09:00.42 | balrog-kun | cosmin: is the driver in the kernel? |
| 09:01.06 | cosmin | i'm not sure, how can i find out? |
| 09:02.38 | balrog-kun | it should be visible through /sys somehow but i don't know exactly |
| 09:02.49 | balrog-kun | does the same kernel/rootfs detect the SD on a real Neo? |
| 09:03.15 | cosmin | i haven't tried |
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| 09:04.14 | balrog-kun | well, i don't think it's qemu that's ignoring the SD card :p |
| 09:04.23 | ColDfyre | god damn, the neo needs to come out |
| 09:04.27 | ColDfyre | my phone is fallnig apart |
| 09:04.35 | ColDfyre | i don't want to buy a new one |
| 09:05.29 | XorA | ColDfyre: gaffa tape |
| 09:07.10 | ColDfyre | GTA02a5 = freerunner? |
| 09:08.07 | raster | who knows |
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| 09:09.24 | zash_ | GTA02 == freerunner |
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| 09:12.09 | ColDfyre | Gaffer tape, sometimes shortened to gaff tape (especially by theater and photographic professionals), or made possessive, as "gaffer's tape", is a strong, pressure-sensitive, cotton cloth adhesive tape. It is an essential, all-purpose tool on theater, film and television productions as well as live performances and any other kind of stage work.[1] |
| 09:12.12 | ColDfyre | ? |
| 09:12.47 | XorA | ColDfyre: its used to mend stuff that breaks |
| 09:13.09 | cjb_ie | also gaffa tape |
| 09:13.53 | raster | werds |
| 09:13.55 | ColDfyre | oh |
| 09:13.58 | ColDfyre | won't help me |
| 09:14.02 | raster | let the thumbscroll madness begin |
| 09:14.19 | ColDfyre | my moto a780 is a hybrid of 2 phones now |
| 09:14.25 | ColDfyre | it's amazing it works |
| 09:14.32 | cjb_ie | the two essential items in any stage monkey's toolkit are: gaffa tape (for when things move but shouldn't) and WD40 (for when things should move but don't) |
| 09:14.41 | ColDfyre | solder and wires inside where they should not be |
| 09:15.32 | XorA | cjb_ie: :-D |
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| 09:53.12 | emdete | hi, what's going on with openembedded.org? i get name resolution errors... |
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| 09:56.36 | SpeedEvil | (though it doesn't resolve for me either) |
| 09:56.45 | emdete | so oe is dead? |
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| 09:59.29 | FuzzyCat | what a bunch o muppets |
| 10:01.02 | FuzzyCat | mmm |
| 10:01.03 | FuzzyCat | Domain ID:D94244924-LROR |
| 10:01.03 | FuzzyCat | Domain Name:OPENEMBEDDED.ORG |
| 10:01.03 | FuzzyCat | Created On:21-Jan-2003 23:58:22 UTC |
| 10:01.03 | FuzzyCat | Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 07:46:59 UTC |
| 10:01.03 | FuzzyCat | Expiration Date:21-Jan-2009 23:58:22 UTC |
| 10:01.05 | FuzzyCat | Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR) |
| 10:01.55 | emdete | does someone have the ip adress - i could fake it for me in /etc/hosts? |
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| 10:02.29 | emdete | what has been done at "Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 07:46:59 UTC"? |
| 10:03.12 | SpeedEvil | that'll be tucows pulling the registration after their grace period |
| 10:04.00 | emdete | anyway, does someone know the ip? |
| 10:06.10 | FuzzyCat | 192.58.209.90? |
| 10:06.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't seem to have it |
| 10:06.41 | FuzzyCat | nope not that one |
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| 10:07.39 | emdete | no :/ |
| 10:08.42 | FuzzyCat | what signal is sent when you select an app and hit the trash can icon on the neo? |
| 10:09.14 | SpeedEvil | SIGTRASH? |
| 10:09.45 | Gottox | SIGSELECTANAPPANDHITTHETRASHCANICONONTHENEO |
| 10:10.07 | emdete | FuzzyCat: s/neo/om/ |
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| 10:11.21 | FuzzyCat | emdete, I'm actually doing it on the neo... :) |
| 10:11.48 | emdete | FuzzyCat: yes, may be, but om provides a trash, mine hasn't got one |
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| 10:13.54 | FuzzyCat | shut it biatch |
| 10:14.19 | emdete | hey, i just don't like gtk ;) |
| 10:15.56 | FuzzyCat | neither do i, but that's what the default is, and so that's what I'm deving for |
| 10:17.28 | emdete | the neo is free and not bound to any default :D |
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| 10:18.21 | FuzzyCat | that's not true.. |
| 10:18.51 | FuzzyCat | it may be free, but the default environment *is* gtk / om |
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| 10:22.00 | emdete | 85.214.40.226 www.openembedded.org |
| 10:23.26 | emdete | FuzzyCat: yes, for the default you are right, shure. but there are some interesting other projects on the way also |
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| 10:27.48 | cosmin | is it no longer possible to use an emulated sd card with openmoko under qemu? |
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| 10:39.04 | cesarb | cosmin: I "solved" the uboot flashing problem by simply using the "august snapshot" uboot instead of the bleeding-edge one OE builds |
| 10:42.55 | cosmin | cesarb, how did you changed to an older uboot? |
| 10:44.16 | cesarb | cosmin: flash-qemu-* is just a call to something like ( cd build/qemu && openmoko/flash.sh ../../images/official ). I just typed that by hand (including the parenthesis) but changed the directory to one where I placed only the uboot, kernel, and rootfs images I wanted to use |
| 10:45.15 | cesarb | cosmin: this way I used the up-to-date rootfs (as of some days ago), the "august snapshot" uboot I use on my real hardware (I had a copy of it somewhere else which I grabbed and used), and my hacked-up experimental cpufreq-using kernel |
| 10:46.27 | cosmin | cool, i need to try this |
| 10:47.42 | cosmin | but the sd card is no longer there, is it? |
| 10:48.18 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3933 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (opkg_download.c pkg.c pkg.h): opkg: fix some compiler warnings |
| 10:49.36 | cesarb | cosmin: didn't check. mokomakefile should be generating the card, but I don't know if the current kernel will talk fine to the emulated SD. |
| 10:50.11 | cesarb | cosmin: when I first created the patch to add the virtual SD card to mokomakefile, the kernel back then could read but not write from the emulated SD (it failed the writes) |
| 10:52.10 | cosmin | cesarb: i used to have an emulated neo that could also write to SD images, but the latest one doesn't mount them |
| 10:52.36 | cosmin | and there's no output from dmesg | grep mmc :( |
| 10:54.28 | cesarb | cosmin: I think nobody uses qemu for testing anymore, now that everyone who wants to do development has a neo (and sometimes several) ;-) |
| 10:55.42 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: on a slightly MMC related topic - any thoughts on why the neo on boot sets the SD clock to PCLK/4 - when it seems from the debug output - the normal one - that it wants 25Mhz - which 22Mhz - PCLK/3 is much closer to |
| 10:56.01 | SpeedEvil | It gets 16Mhz |
| 10:56.31 | cosmin | cesarb: doesn't the real neo have the same problems with sd? i mean, with the latest images |
| 10:56.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: look at the datasheet, perhaps the value is someting like PCLK/(someregister*2) |
| 10:56.46 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: i.e. not all dividers are equally possible... |
| 10:56.50 | SpeedEvil | perhaps |
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| 10:57.24 | SpeedEvil | I was just wondering if you happened to know. I'll look at it when I next have the datasheet open |
| 10:57.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I didn't get to the sd driver yet ;-) |
| 10:57.57 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 10:58.30 | SpeedEvil | what output baud are you trying for? |
| 10:58.47 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: whatever gsmd sets |
| 10:58.57 | SpeedEvil | and PCLK is set to 1:1:! - so that it's 12Mhz PCLK? |
| 10:59.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 10:59.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: at least should be |
| 10:59.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: unless my divider setting code is bogus |
| 11:00.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that's the only case so far which uses 1:1:1... |
| 11:00.32 | SpeedEvil | 115200 |
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| 11:00.59 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't have expected that not to work |
| 11:02.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it's never exact, so it's possible that with that frequency in particular the deviation from the expected value gets too much |
| 11:02.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I will add a printk to the serial driver to check when I get back from work |
| 11:02.35 | SpeedEvil | There is probably a prescaler |
| 11:02.38 | SpeedEvil | maybe not set |
| 11:02.38 | SpeedEvil | wave |
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| 11:48.00 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r55 10/trunk/software/py-proto/pygsmd.py: bugfix: ring() had wrong parameter description for dbus |
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| 11:56.08 | zilux | torpor: ping |
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| 12:17.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3934 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/opkg_cmd.c: opkg: don't print "Successfully terminated." message |
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| 12:33.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3935 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/pkg_parse.c: |
| 12:33.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: opkg: apply "1-pkg-parse--Optimize-inefficient-parsing.patch" from OpenEmbedded |
| 12:33.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: pkg_parse: Optimize inefficient parsing. Instead of expensively probing all |
| 12:33.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: fields in row, dispatch based on the first letter of the field. Tests show ~12 |
| 12:33.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: times reduction in number of calls to low-level parsing functions. |
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| 12:40.10 | Mek | hmm... openembedded went from bugs.oe.org not responding to *.oe.org no longer resolving... quite hard to submit patches that way... |
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| 12:42.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3936 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/pkg_vec.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 12:42.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: opkg: apply "2-pkg-vec--Optimize-gross-inefficiency.patch" from OpenEmbedded |
| 12:42.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: pkg_vec: Optimize gross inefficiency. |
| 12:42.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This module tries to implement *unique* vector (without duplicating objects), |
| 12:42.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: and does this by iterating thru all already existing elements. Thus, |
| 12:42.51 | CIA-9 | openmoko: complexity of adding N elements was O(N^2). However, there're no grave reasons |
| 12:42.53 | CIA-9 | openmoko: to do uniqueness at all: |
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| 13:27.19 | FuzzyCat | ghjkl |
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| 13:29.51 | zash_ | indeed |
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| 14:07.33 | flaushy | lol |
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| 14:12.31 | Mononoke | I wonder what would the reaction be if I suggest having SELinux on openmoko ? =] |
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| 14:32.39 | voi1 | can anybody tell me, where the contacts from standard-contact-manager in OM are stored? |
| 14:32.48 | voi1 | file? |
| 14:32.55 | XorA | voi1: evolution data server |
| 14:33.13 | worldwarZ | does anyone here use OpenMoko under QEMU? |
| 14:33.16 | voi1 | hm. XorA: how can i access it? |
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| 14:33.43 | XorA | voi1: you need to use the eds api's |
| 14:33.54 | voi1 | XorA: want to backup my contacts / not get in all contacts by gui. |
| 14:34.20 | voi1 | XorA: k, thx for help. |
| 14:34.33 | XorA | voi1: you could issue a Request For Enhancement on contacts and see what happens |
| 14:34.42 | worldwarZ | i need some help regarding the latest QEMU build |
| 14:35.03 | worldwarZ | i can't find the SD card anywhere |
| 14:35.16 | worldwarZ | does anyone know where it is located? |
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| 14:42.57 | worldwarZ | did anyone here use gdbserver to debug applications for OpenMoko? |
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| 14:58.02 | zilux | worldwarZ: just gdb arm until now |
| 14:58.54 | zilux | worldwarZ: most of the times traces (ok, printf) |
| 14:59.39 | worldwarZ | zilux: you mean you installed your application on the device, and executed on the device |
| 14:59.43 | worldwarZ | zilux: ? |
| 14:59.54 | zilux | worldwarZ: yes |
| 15:00.13 | zilux | worldwarZ: if possible, faster to debug on your PC |
| 15:00.40 | worldwarZ | zilux: well i tried to use gdbserver, and cross-gdb-arm, and it works only |
| 15:00.54 | worldwarZ | zilux: for simple apps, like hello world |
| 15:01.35 | worldwarZ | zilux: it i start including libraries(gtk, cairo), there are library incompatibilities |
| 15:02.02 | worldwarZ | zilux: between the libraries on the device and the ones from the toolchain on my pc |
| 15:02.09 | worldwarZ | zilux: so it won't work |
| 15:02.35 | worldwarZ | zilux: the app is BIG so printf is not so great |
| 15:06.42 | zilux | worldwarZ: did you set gdb variables such as solib-absolute-prefix,... |
| 15:07.04 | worldwarZ | yes |
| 15:11.47 | haakeyar | I just (before I had dinner) set bug 1165 to depend on bug 1177, but I just saw that the .desktop-stuff is mentioned in 1177 too, so they are sort of identical. Should one of them be marked as a duplicate of the other or are they different enough to be two bugs? |
| 15:12.04 | haakeyar | Could maybe someone with better bug management experience take care of it? |
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| 15:42.58 | `pwgen` | hi |
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| 15:45.16 | Field | Can anybody tell me exactly a version number - boot from SD-card is working? I have some problems with several u-boot - versions. |
| 15:45.26 | `pwgen` | does anyone know how the gsmd send signals to the dialer app ? |
| 15:46.48 | `pwgen` | mompl i had to reboot my moko to check u-boot-version |
| 15:48.02 | `pwgen` | u-boot 1.2.0-moko9_r13_0_2632_0 Aug 12 2007 works fine for me |
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| 15:50.56 | Field | `pwgen`: did you use qemu, or the real device? i also tried qemu with this version and it does not work.. |
| 15:51.15 | `pwgen` | real device |
| 15:51.51 | Field | `pwgen`: ok ty - I'll try this on my device. maybe this is a problem of qemu .. |
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| 15:52.32 | `pwgen` | kernel is in /boot/uImage with zImage symlink to uImage |
| 15:53.18 | Field | kk thank you. |
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| 16:24.01 | mmontour | Field: for a u-boot that can boot from SD, look up the "New U-Boot Snapshot" thread on the device-owners mailing list archive (Jan 13) and use that version. |
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| 16:26.13 | Field | mmontour: ty |
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| 16:34.59 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r56 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (12 files): switched logging to syslog |
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| 17:27.08 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | Hi there... Can someone tell me how the memory of the Neo1973 (GTA01bv4) smartphone is organized? Why do you always use some specific addresses (e.g. 0x30800000, 0x32000000)? |
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| 17:54.58 | thomasg | _D-a-m-i-e-n_, the adresses are used as a kind of partition scheme on the flash memory. first area is for bootloader, next for splash, and so on. |
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| 18:01.34 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | thomasg, no that's not what I meant.. I meant RAM addresses.. e.g. 'nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel' reads the kernel partition into RAM.. but I wonder why there are always some specific addresses i.e. 0x30800000, 0x32000000 and 0x33000000 |
| 18:02.10 | thomasg | well, how else would you know where in the flash you can find what you're looking for? |
| 18:02.29 | thomasg | the adress tells you where the "partition" starts |
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| 18:04.16 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | I'm trying to load a ~30MB kernel into RAM and start it using bootelf |
| 18:04.32 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel --> bootelf 0x32000000 |
| 18:05.19 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | but it always terminates with 'qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0xe595c000' |
| 18:05.30 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | btw. I'm using qemu |
| 18:06.05 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | so my question is what is the memory layout of the Neo1973 device |
| 18:06.18 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | does it start at 0x30000000 |
| 18:06.20 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | ? |
| 18:09.47 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | ... and the same happens when using the --kernel parameter of Qemu |
| 18:10.17 | _D-a-m-i-e-n_ | when using a smaller kernel (~24MB) it works |
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| 18:19.27 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3937 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 18:19.27 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Applied funbar-2.6.24-platform-spi-gpio-acc-repair.patch to gta02-acc.patch: |
| 18:19.27 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This doesn't actually do anything about the INT problem yet. |
| 18:19.27 | CIA-9 | openmoko: The 2.6.24 gpio spi and platform situation was completely |
| 18:19.27 | CIA-9 | openmoko: messed up and was a long way from even being able to talk |
| 18:19.31 | CIA-9 | openmoko: to the motion sensors. |
| 18:19.33 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This patch gets the gpio SPI actually working and both |
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| 18:38.34 | PBeck | hi |
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| 19:47.26 | Mek | hmm... if I try to buld task-openmoko-feed it fails because it can't find swt3.4-gtk, but just building swt3.4-gtk works just fine... |
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| 20:00.58 | kdean06 | I've been scping all of the directories in a qtopia-image to my desktop PC and re-copying them as I bounce between OpenMoko nightly images and the "stable" qtopia image. Anyway, each time i re-flash I need to enter my contacts and such again. Can anyone point me to the location of the "user" files in a qtopia image OR explain why a restoration of my filesystem doesn't register these? |
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| 20:03.54 | CM | kdean06: Asked in #qtopia about it too? |
| 20:04.27 | CM | I just try to keep things on the sd card that I want to keep between reflashes |
| 20:04.50 | kdean06 | I must be out of it today... I forgot #qtopia existed. |
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| 20:05.26 | CM | :) |
| 20:06.11 | kdean06 | Re using flash, I would too, if I knew where to find it. I've got links using my OM images and that works fantastically. |
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| 20:21.02 | `pwgen` | Hi |
| 20:24.58 | bkruse | All: Has anyone messed with binding to alsa on the moko? (for a voip app, stereo app, anything) ? compiling against alsalib |
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| 20:41.34 | XorA|gone | bkruse: it works |
| 20:41.46 | bkruse | XorA|gone: how so? |
| 20:42.02 | bkruse | I tried using and compiling against asound from the toolkit, I guess it is NOT the right version |
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| 20:45.44 | XorA|gone | bkruse: well alsa-utils from compiles fine in OE |
| 20:47.14 | bkruse | XorA|gone: hmm |
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| 20:55.15 | `pwgen` | <bkruse> i was able to build linphonec but didn't testetd it for now |
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| 21:06.02 | bkruse | hmmm |
| 21:06.15 | bkruse | `pwgen`: with the toolkit or in Open embedded? |
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| 21:12.26 | `pwgen` | 1 i build with mokomake ... after that i build openembedded with linphone .. |
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| 22:01.38 | linuxxr | any pre-ordering going to happen? |
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| 22:25.23 | vininim | heh, it seems there is more hardware discussion in openmoko-kernel than neo1973-hardware |
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| 22:35.36 | Stephmw | there's plenty in here too - but not every day ;) |
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| 22:48.11 | idioterna | hi |
| 22:48.26 | idioterna | my neo does a lightning effect when i plug it into usb |
| 22:48.27 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.35 | CVirus | wow that's cool |
| 22:48.39 | idioterna | and refuses to do anything when i push and hold the power button |
| 22:52.38 | orospakr | If my Neo could shoot lightning, it would have been totally worth the $300 :D |
| 22:59.00 | Stephmw | idioterna: that doesn't sound healthy |
| 22:59.16 | Stephmw | idioterna: does it do that with every usb port, or just some? |
| 23:03.01 | idioterna | i dunno, i've just tried with one |
| 23:03.26 | idioterna | it flashed the backlight irregularly |
| 23:04.07 | Stephmw | idioterna: I'd desist until someone more knowledgeable can diagnose the issue |
| 23:04.10 | idioterna | how do i know the battery is charging? |
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| 23:28.28 | idioterna | apparently i did just drain the battery completely |
| 23:29.05 | erko | Hi all, after booting from SD, anyone know how to mount the normal root? |
| 23:33.11 | Mononoke | battery... that puts me back to my paranoid conspiracy theories |
| 23:33.36 | balrog-kun | erko: mount /dev/mtdblock5 /somewhere perhaps |
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| 23:34.17 | Mononoke | what would happend if you have battery, lets say Lipo, and you expose it to 'emp' ? |
| 23:39.14 | erko | balrog-kun: thanks for the pointer -- this ended up working: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 <somedir> |
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