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| 00:04.44 | toxx_ | hi, i just tried to run linux-2.6.24 on my gta01. it stops at "Starting kernel...". Is this a known problem? |
| 00:05.37 | ljp | did you install the modules as well? |
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| 00:08.22 | SpeedEvil | 2.2.24 doesn't work I think |
| 00:08.25 | SpeedEvil | I may be wrong. |
| 00:08.36 | SpeedEvil | And if it was a module problem, you'd get more lines |
| 00:10.31 | toxx_ | ok.. so what's the latest version usable with the gta01? |
| 00:13.54 | mmontour | toxx_: I'm using uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13-neo1973.bin (built myself with bleeding-edge MokoMakefile) |
| 00:14.08 | toxx_ | I'm trying to get my neo to a usable state, i.e. trying to apply everything needed for power management, sleep mode as well as fixes/workarounds for the gsm wakeup problem. what would be the best kernel to start with? |
| 00:14.46 | toxx_ | mmontour, does suspend/resume work correctly? |
| 00:15.01 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 00:15.12 | mmontour | I haven't tried suspend/resume for a long time. I would assume 'no'. |
| 00:15.15 | SpeedEvil | Unless there has been major work since yesterday that is. |
| 00:16.01 | toxx_ | ok, so noone from OM looked into that yet? |
| 00:18.17 | mmontour | I would personally wait for a working 2.6.24 before starting any new kernel work. It probably won't be too long before someone gets it booting on GTA01. |
| 00:22.14 | toxx_ | ok, thanks. I'll wait then, since I've got no experience in debugging kernel startup at all :-( |
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| 00:34.51 | Mek | hmm... the eds-dbus package doesn't seem to build... :( |
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| 00:50.10 | Mek | ah, my disk is just full... :) |
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| 00:59.18 | wurp2 | Does anyone remember where to get the ipk that fixes audio echo? Or will ipkg upgrade fix it? |
| 00:59.30 | wurp2 | (echo when you're talking on the phone) |
| 01:02.10 | wurp2 | I guess that's a no... |
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| 01:09.26 | mmontour | wurp2: Regarding your earlier question about the '-Qy' option - what does the first line of "build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -v" say? Is it "Using built-in specs.", or something else? |
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| 01:11.59 | duffyd | strange I can't seem to cp or rsync the /usr folder to /media/card |
| 01:12.04 | duffyd | it just hangs |
| 01:12.48 | SpeedEvil | are you using an old kernel? |
| 01:12.56 | SpeedEvil | it hangs on much access to the SD |
| 01:14.08 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: ok |
| 01:14.24 | duffyd | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jan 13 04:09:41 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 01:14.26 | duffyd | is that old? |
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| 01:16.13 | mmontour | duffyd: that's new. Maybe try physically re-seating the SD card, or look in 'dmesg' for more specific error messages. |
| 01:16.56 | duffyd | mmontour: ok thanks |
| 01:16.56 | duffyd | mmontour: fyi, I've formatted the card with ext3 |
| 01:16.56 | justin111 | speed evel does your life consit of the following: OM IRC channel OM dev eating sleeping and pooping cuz you are always in here active |
| 01:17.14 | duffyd | justin111: how wude |
| 01:17.55 | bkruse | hey guys, just got my neo1973, I am trying to open the pack? what gives? geez |
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| 01:18.27 | bkruse | I-MOD: I gotz it :] |
| 01:19.54 | justin111 | speedevil: are you a OM dev |
| 01:20.26 | justin111 | speedevil: they should pay you for all the work you do in here |
| 01:20.32 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 you know of? |
| 01:21.46 | justin111 | speed are you an OM dev |
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| 01:22.16 | SpeedEvil | At the moment I'm working on getting my central heating going again. |
| 01:22.17 | justin111 | speed |
| 01:22.29 | justin111 | why wont you listen |
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| 01:24.16 | cap-a-cop | i just got my neo where should i start |
| 01:24.44 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 you know of? |
| 01:24.47 | rwhitby | the website on the coaster which says "read this first" |
| 01:25.25 | cap-a-cop | haha thanks ill do that come back later |
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| 01:26.19 | duffyd | rwhitby: never ceases to amaze when people jump on IRC/ML and ask that question |
| 01:27.01 | SpeedEvil | It's easy to miss the coaster |
| 01:27.08 | rwhitby | duffyd: FIC need to print the "read this first" on the screen protector |
| 01:28.33 | duffyd | yeah |
| 01:36.52 | SpeedEvil | In that page - it notes the SIM card as optional. |
| 01:37.12 | SpeedEvil | Wasn't there concern about either the microSD or the SIM shorting out if there was no card installed? |
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| 02:00.10 | bkruse | how can I tell if my sim was detected and/or is in use |
| 02:06.39 | Djinh | does anyone have an opinion on buying gta01 now or waiting for gta02? |
| 02:08.17 | duffyd | bkruse: generally when it boots it'll prompt you for your sim pin (if you have one) and then notify you it has registered on the network |
| 02:10.55 | Djinh | pmw, seems like a good idea, but patience is *hard* ;) |
| 02:12.21 | bkruse | duffyd: ugh, it did not :/ |
| 02:13.12 | duffyd | bkruse: have you confirmed your sim is supported? |
| 02:13.22 | bkruse | tmobile |
| 02:13.46 | duffyd | bkruse: and another good idea is to update your ipkgs as the gsmd has been in a bit of flux (afaict) |
| 02:13.58 | duffyd | brb |
| 02:14.17 | bkruse | duffyd: gotcha, I get a 404 on one of the addresses though. 2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packges.gz |
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| 02:14.30 | I-MOD | bkruse, hax |
| 02:14.52 | I-MOD | is it as awesome as expected? |
| 02:15.20 | playya__ | where could i find a list of supported sims? |
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| 02:15.52 | playya__ | you mean the programming language haXe? |
| 02:16.33 | bkruse | I-MOD: yep! |
| 02:16.36 | bkruse | me and mog are playing with it |
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| 02:18.05 | playya__ | i heard a talk by the founder. seems pretty cool |
| 02:18.24 | SpeedEvil | You don't found a language. |
| 02:19.00 | playya__ | invent? |
| 02:19.06 | playya__ | set up? |
| 02:19.20 | playya__ | had no better idea. |
| 02:21.40 | duffyd | bkruse: you probably need to update your package repos |
| 02:21.45 | duffyd | as 2007.08 is quite old |
| 02:21.58 | duffyd | are you using buildhost.openmoko.org? |
| 02:22.08 | duffyd | another option is to use buildhost.automated.it |
| 02:22.29 | duffyd | do a wget on the scaredycat.conf from their into your /etc/ipkg directory then a ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 02:23.03 | bkruse | where is that at? (the conf) |
| 02:23.06 | bkruse | thanks for the advice btw |
| 02:24.25 | bkruse | also duffyd, when I do a cu -l /dev/ttySAC0, it just says "connected" |
| 02:25.23 | duffyd | bkruse: sorry I haven't used the cu stuff |
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| 02:26.25 | I-MOD | bkruse, minicom? |
| 02:28.03 | bkruse | I-MOD: dunno |
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| 02:35.19 | bkruse | if I get an "ERROR" from ttySAC0 when I do AT+CIMI does that mean my sim is inserted incorrectly? |
| 02:35.48 | SpeedEvil | at+CFUN=1 first to turn on the modem |
| 02:37.40 | bkruse | ERROR |
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| 02:37.54 | bkruse | SpeedEvil: Ideas? |
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| 02:40.15 | SpeedEvil | sorry - it's been a while since I tried it. |
| 02:40.23 | bkruse | np |
| 02:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Look for the page 'manually using GSM' in the wiki |
| 02:41.39 | raster | SpeedEvil: carrier pigeons. |
| 02:41.42 | raster | thats manual |
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| 02:47.30 | holycow | heh |
| 02:47.34 | holycow | my phone is dying |
| 02:47.51 | holycow | so when is the consumer version of moko comming out? |
| 02:47.56 | holycow | the timing sounds almost perfect |
| 02:48.36 | mwester-road | Is roaming a function of the GSM modem, the SIM card & GSM modem, or the software? |
| 02:49.11 | mwester-road | i.e. why is my Neo not roaming to another carrier at the moment? |
| 02:49.53 | ljp | roaming is indicated from the carrier when you get into foreign territory. the software needs to handle it |
| 02:52.04 | mwester-road | thanks :) |
| 02:52.27 | holycow | you mean 'mokothanks' |
| 02:52.28 | holycow | right? |
| 02:52.30 | holycow | :) |
| 02:53.10 | ljp | usually an indication |
| 02:55.53 | mwester-road | Wow. It just took a loooong time. It just registered, and a popup says that it's roaming. I guess the gsmd folks have been busy. |
| 02:56.37 | mwester-road | 10 minutes (at least) is a bit longer than one would expect, but the fact that it actually works is kinda cool. |
| 02:56.38 | bkruse | how come my moko does not look like the one on openmoko.org :[ lol |
| 02:57.45 | mwester-road | because your's isn't photoshopped? |
| 02:57.48 | mwester-road | :p |
| 02:58.02 | bkruse | hehe, is that some specific image? |
| 02:58.07 | bkruse | or what it WILL look like? |
| 02:58.09 | mmontour | bkruse: Some of the pics still show the old "2007.1" GUI (which was changed to the current "2007.2" around September) |
| 02:58.22 | bkruse | mmontour: the one on openmoko.org |
| 02:58.29 | bkruse | that is not the latest kind of gui layout then? |
| 03:00.15 | mmontour | The front page of www.openmoko.org is the old GUI. |
| 03:02.56 | bkruse | ahh |
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| 03:30.04 | duffyd | btw I just noticed an update to powermanagement, hopefully this is promising |
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| 05:22.41 | holycow | hellow fellow mokomonkeys! |
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| 05:52.52 | poffy | DYNAMIC ENTRY |
| 05:54.16 | bkruse_home | does the toolkit not have alsa headers? |
| 05:54.33 | bkruse_home | the one from here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain (toolchain rather) not have alsa headers? |
| 05:59.27 | bkruse_home | also, who would I go to, to help get a library included |
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| 06:10.06 | CM | ~logs |
| 06:10.07 | apt | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 06:20.37 | Atul_ | Hi, I update gsmd Patches When I try for testing AT commands I got error merrage "unable to handle packet type=2" Why ? My gsmd version is 0.0.1+3612 |
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| 06:30.18 | Atul_ | purple : I am not getting |
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| 07:12.12 | miha | Good morning, good morning, good morning |
| 07:13.08 | holycow | good moko to you too kind sir |
| 07:13.31 | maroi | morning :) |
| 07:17.44 | bkruse_home | :d |
| 07:18.19 | miha | holycow: i'm not a lord i'm a lady |
| 07:18.28 | miha | good morning none the less |
| 07:18.44 | holycow | *roh* *roh* |
| 07:18.50 | holycow | sorry! |
| 07:18.50 | miha | i just flashed the latest OpenMoko images in QEMU |
| 07:19.01 | miha | does anyone here use QEMU? |
| 07:19.08 | idioterna | hehe |
| 07:19.09 | holycow | bkruse_home: heh |
| 07:19.11 | idioterna | zivjo miha. |
| 07:19.13 | raster | qemu is for whimps |
| 07:19.40 | raster | real men write down arm machine code on a notepad and execute it by hand with pencil and paper |
| 07:19.41 | raster | :) |
| 07:19.51 | miha | :) |
| 07:20.05 | miha | in machine code right? |
| 07:20.08 | miha | 10101010101111 |
| 07:20.11 | idioterna | she said she was a lady, so |
| 07:20.21 | miha | yeah, good point |
| 07:20.24 | raster | idioterna: doesn't mean she can't try and be a "real man" :) |
| 07:20.26 | raster | hehe |
| 07:20.44 | miha | ok we are getting away from the point |
| 07:20.57 | raster | used qemu once for arm |
| 07:21.01 | raster | used it many times fo rx86 |
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| 07:21.05 | idioterna | i find it women seldom try that for the fear of insulting all the men that can't do it |
| 07:21.08 | raster | but i tend to just rn on my actual device |
| 07:21.35 | idioterna | anyway, i don't really use qemu, but i flash my neo regularly :) |
| 07:21.39 | raster | idioterna: life's no fun without insulting people along the way :) |
| 07:21.43 | miha | ok, well i needed some help with QEMU |
| 07:21.54 | miha | but if none of you people have used it recently |
| 07:22.02 | miha | i should probably try later |
| 07:22.27 | raster | try the paper and pencil method in the meantime |
| 07:22.32 | raster | it'll keep you busy |
| 07:22.39 | raster | at any rate |
| 07:22.39 | raster | :) |
| 07:22.51 | miha | yes, great idea |
| 07:23.02 | miha | that will definately happen |
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| 07:30.36 | bkruse_home | haha |
| 07:30.41 | bkruse_home | I hate those days :/ |
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| 07:38.11 | maroi | ... and your stil awake? uuh :D |
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| 07:47.30 | bkruse_home | ya I know :/ |
| 07:47.38 | bkruse_home | voip soft client has me thinking :] |
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| 08:14.22 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:15.30 | spydon | good morning Hopscotch |
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| 08:22.40 | bkruse_home | hey guys |
| 08:22.40 | bkruse_home | i used this doc (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain) to make my first build which required multiple libraries not included, and I got them all to cross compile, but the tutorial just says compile them on the native system, them scp your resulting ipkg over to the neo |
| 08:22.40 | bkruse_home | and of course, the neo does not have the libraries |
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| 08:34.28 | bkruse_home | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 08:34.30 | bkruse_home | ideas? |
| 08:35.21 | holycow | when might the consumer version of a moko device come to market? |
| 08:35.35 | holycow | mine is dying and i'd hate to buy something for the interim |
| 08:36.33 | FuzzyCat | can't you just get a 4.99 cheapo phone? |
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| 08:37.17 | holycow | well thats a damn fine point, it's a lot more fun anticpating the moko tho |
| 08:37.17 | holycow | lol |
| 08:38.17 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 08:39.16 | holycow | are there any reasonable guesses on release date tho? |
| 08:40.07 | FuzzyCat | gta02 is expected in march... |
| 08:40.43 | FuzzyCat | but judging by gta01 I wouldn't expect a consumer version of the software until december |
| 08:41.03 | holycow | aha, danke |
| 08:41.03 | torpor | i only want a gta02 so i can write software for it, not use it as a consumer device |
| 08:41.14 | FuzzyCat | that's a guess, but progress has been slow to now |
| 08:41.49 | FuzzyCat | well, you don't need the device to write software for it torpor :) |
| 08:42.15 | torpor | yeah i do |
| 08:42.26 | torpor | i hate writing software i can't test on an end user system |
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| 08:43.30 | holycow | maybe just maybe gta02 might come in a format with a foldout keyboard/thumbpad |
| 08:43.44 | holycow | but then just seeing it on the market will be cool |
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| 08:46.50 | FuzzyCat | :( |
| 08:47.25 | torpor | pandora might be what you are looking for if you want a keyboarded device. |
| 08:47.28 | FuzzyCat | that would be nice, but... in reality :( |
| 08:47.43 | FuzzyCat | lol, that's just butt ugly torpor ... |
| 08:49.09 | holycow | mostly what i'm looking for is an open phone with some kind of kb that our staff can use |
| 08:49.21 | holycow | instead of going to a blackberry or one of the other devices |
| 08:49.43 | FuzzyCat | wel, I know it's a lame work around, but you can use a BT keyboard |
| 08:49.54 | maito | which one youd recommend? |
| 08:50.06 | holycow | torpor: what is this pandora thing your describing? |
| 08:50.27 | holycow | yeah i thought abaout bt kb ... but it would haveto be in some sort of sleeve |
| 08:50.58 | holycow | it doesn't exactly let them stand and typeaway as they are crossing a busy street without looking tho! |
| 08:51.18 | holycow | yes our it dept has been folded into the hr dept |
| 08:51.24 | holycow | itst how we thin the herd |
| 08:51.26 | holycow | *cough* |
| 08:51.27 | FuzzyCat | yeah, but it might stop them getting kiled |
| 08:51.29 | holycow | no seriously |
| 08:51.30 | FuzzyCat | kiled |
| 08:51.41 | FuzzyCat | lll |
| 08:51.43 | FuzzyCat | lllll |
| 08:51.46 | FuzzyCat | l works |
| 08:51.48 | holycow | i really really am working hard to avoid that bb crap and wince and all that nonsense |
| 08:52.13 | holycow | torpor: yeah i can't find any red: pandora either |
| 08:52.17 | wejp | http://openpandora.ca/ |
| 08:52.18 | buz | holycow: if you find a linux device with qwerty be sure to drop us a line ;P |
| 08:52.29 | buz | oh there's the guppy |
| 08:52.34 | buz | but it's BUTT ugly |
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| 08:52.56 | holycow | buz: lol i think moko is our first real opportunity here |
| 08:53.26 | holycow | oh heh |
| 08:53.28 | holycow | what the hell is that? |
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| 08:53.40 | holycow | i don't care how ugly it is, does it work? its a cell phone? |
| 08:53.47 | buz | it is a phone |
| 08:53.51 | buz | if only i could find it |
| 08:53.55 | buz | saw it on linuxdevices |
| 08:54.10 | holycow | oh this is a phone eh? |
| 08:54.25 | holycow | hard to tell from pics, looks like my umpc |
| 08:54.45 | holycow | those are 3d renders is this in production at all? |
| 08:55.10 | buz | road is vaporware |
| 08:55.14 | buz | (mostly) |
| 08:55.17 | holycow | oh heh |
| 08:55.19 | ewon | agreed |
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| 08:55.26 | torpor | pandora.bluwiki.org/ |
| 08:55.36 | holycow | i honestly don't care how ugly it is |
| 08:55.48 | holycow | something like that would be absolutely perfectc |
| 08:55.52 | buz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6946488091.html |
| 08:56.50 | torpor | pandora is in prototype stages right now .. |
| 08:57.10 | buz | pandora is not a phone from what i see? |
| 08:57.11 | holycow | really? |
| 08:57.25 | holycow | torpor: what is REALLY cool is the game joystick at the top of kb |
| 08:57.27 | rwhitby | buz: I'd buy that phone |
| 08:57.39 | buz | the gupp thing? |
| 08:57.40 | holycow | i have a fujitsy umpc ... i'ave wanted those buttons there from day one |
| 08:57.48 | holycow | torpor: do you work for them or ... ? |
| 08:57.50 | torpor | its not a phone but it will run VOIP |
| 08:58.00 | buz | may as well buy a n810 then |
| 08:58.05 | buz | that's shipping |
| 08:58.06 | rwhitby | buz: yep, to replace my Treo650 |
| 08:58.09 | torpor | no i don't... i've been a big fan of the GP2X scene for a long time and i'm following a lot of linux gadgets these days |
| 08:58.10 | buz | and actually looks quite nice |
| 08:58.23 | torpor | gp2x info: gbax.com |
| 08:58.45 | holycow | pardon my ignorance, what is gp2x ? |
| 08:58.53 | buz | opensource gameboy |
| 08:58.54 | XorA | yay pandora |
| 08:58.58 | torpor | http://gp2x.co.uk/ |
| 08:59.16 | buz | oh and then there's the ultimate vaporware |
| 08:59.20 | buz | e28 2881 |
| 08:59.39 | XorA | pity pandora doesnt have CF, I have a CF GSM card right here |
| 08:59.40 | buz | http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm |
| 09:00.08 | holycow | torpor: if this thing can make phone calls and is cheap enough |
| 09:00.12 | holycow | it really could be what i'm looking for |
| 09:00.27 | torpor | holycow: it won't make calls out of the box, but you can add that feature i'm sure .. ;) |
| 09:00.51 | buz | hmm |
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| 09:01.05 | XorA | one day there is sure to be SDIO gpm modems |
| 09:01.06 | buz | pandora with a decent keyboard and a vga out might give the eee a run for its money |
| 09:01.30 | holycow | thats running linux too? |
| 09:01.31 | holycow | holy moly |
| 09:02.07 | holycow | holy crap that e28 thing is cool, i haven't seen that before |
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| 09:03.03 | holycow | lol all those features and it doesn't do imap! |
| 09:03.58 | holycow | woooow indeed |
| 09:04.28 | buz | i would buy THAT |
| 09:04.44 | buz | the e28 doesnt exist |
| 09:04.52 | buz | it's been floating around for at least year |
| 09:04.55 | holycow | i would buy that right now infact |
| 09:04.58 | buz | and never ever been seen by anyone |
| 09:05.07 | buz | just look at the specs and its size |
| 09:05.11 | buz | way too good to be true |
| 09:05.20 | holycow | pretty much i think |
| 09:05.50 | buz | it may in theory be possible to build such a phone |
| 09:06.06 | buz | but probably only for a tier 1 company |
| 09:06.16 | buz | nokia could pull it off |
| 09:06.50 | holycow | well the technology isn't really all that far away |
| 09:06.57 | holycow | the hardware specs of the moko can run all that |
| 09:07.04 | holycow | the problem isn't hte hardware its the software |
| 09:07.11 | holycow | sounds like they are doing that google thing |
| 09:08.03 | buz | e28? no their have their own linux stack |
| 09:08.07 | buz | they do ship some phones |
| 09:08.10 | buz | and have so for a while |
| 09:08.15 | buz | just not the 2881 |
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| 09:09.33 | buz | someone should beat nokia to senses |
| 09:09.36 | holycow | that thing will be expensive |
| 09:09.44 | buz | why are we still waiting for the gsm enabled n810 |
| 09:09.56 | buz | can't be because they CAN'T do it |
| 09:10.28 | holycow | heh |
| 09:10.32 | rwhitby | buz: internal market politics |
| 09:10.42 | buz | yeah but still |
| 09:10.42 | holycow | well they are toying aroung with the n880 or whatever it is |
| 09:10.43 | buz | it's stupid |
| 09:10.46 | holycow | finally it has a kb, thats fine |
| 09:10.49 | rwhitby | and carrier relations |
| 09:10.51 | buz | yeah but still no gsm |
| 09:10.57 | holycow | but its not like people aren't telling them what they want |
| 09:11.15 | buz | the day they release the n810 with gsm, i'll be first in line |
| 09:11.33 | buz | that would beat the crap out of any htc device |
| 09:12.54 | maito | or you'll just use dun :) |
| 09:12.57 | maito | or pan |
| 09:13.03 | buz | means i need to carry 2 devices |
| 09:13.07 | buz | which is exactly what i dont want |
| 09:13.11 | maito | buy a packback |
| 09:13.21 | XorA | well there is a serial port hidden in the battery compartment, connect a gsm modem to that and sell it as a third party upgrade :-) |
| 09:13.22 | maito | n810 is big too |
| 09:13.25 | holycow | i replaced my laptop with a umpc, its great for pretty much 855 of my workload |
| 09:13.32 | buz | i could live with an n810 as phone |
| 09:13.37 | holycow | now just to frickin avoid crackberries, trios and wince devices |
| 09:13.46 | buz | it's a bit big but considering what it does... |
| 09:13.47 | holycow | and i have a clear path to linux everywhere all the time |
| 09:13.59 | maito | buz: I guess they didnt want any ngage fiasco (taco talking) |
| 09:14.12 | buz | no it's pure politics |
| 09:14.18 | holycow | speaking of which |
| 09:14.23 | holycow | are there pluggable cel cards? |
| 09:14.25 | buz | anyone with a half brain would figure out the n810 would be a hit with gsm |
| 09:14.45 | XorA | holycow: I have a Compact Flash GSM |
| 09:14.45 | holycow | i can't imagine it would be unheard of to have some sort of external cel network card that accepts a sim pluggable via usb |
| 09:14.55 | buz | those are widely available |
| 09:15.01 | holycow | really? |
| 09:15.01 | XorA | holycow: there are usb ones as well |
| 09:15.05 | holycow | oh what? |
| 09:15.05 | buz | generally go by the name of GSM/UMTS modems |
| 09:15.15 | holycow | oh! no shit? |
| 09:15.18 | XorA | google for mobile broadband |
| 09:15.22 | holycow | thanks! |
| 09:15.24 | maito | buz: but I tell ya before it was launched I tried it and talked with a dev from nokia. I loved it already then |
| 09:15.38 | buz | also exist in pcmcia, expresscard and cf form factors |
| 09:15.40 | XorA | holycow: leave the 80's we are in the 00's now :-D |
| 09:15.45 | maito | buz: also I tried it later and it was still great :) |
| 09:15.52 | holycow | XorA: hehe :) |
| 09:15.54 | buz | yeah but it wont do as a phone replacement |
| 09:16.00 | buz | now if nokia would add a cf slot... |
| 09:16.00 | holycow | lol |
| 09:16.07 | holycow | are any of these linux compatible? |
| 09:16.25 | XorA | the RTM-8800 is, and the one t-mobile UK sell is AFAIK |
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| 09:16.39 | maito | http://www.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/e51.jpg which one is the best color? |
| 09:16.45 | holycow | aha |
| 09:17.03 | buz | i like the black one |
| 09:17.11 | maito | white one is quite cool looking too |
| 09:17.14 | buz | and i'm seriously considering getting an e51 |
| 09:17.19 | maito | black would be 100% safe choice |
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| 09:17.54 | maito | Im getting it to be my bt dun modem and sms machine :p |
| 09:17.54 | buz | black one sort of looks like a thinkpad turned into phone |
| 09:17.54 | maito | oh! damn! |
| 09:17.54 | maito | I love thinkpads :D |
| 09:17.54 | buz | which is good :P |
| 09:18.06 | buz | already drooling over that thinkpad x300 |
| 09:18.10 | maito | yeah! |
| 09:18.27 | maito | I have a wannabe thinkpad :P |
| 09:18.28 | buz | but i only bought a laptop in august |
| 09:18.34 | buz | so no chance buying another one |
| 09:18.44 | maito | http://www.notebookcheck.it/typo3temp/pics/994558fd26.jpg |
| 09:18.54 | bkruse_home | hey guys |
| 09:18.58 | bkruse_home | I have my gta01 and i want to copy all the modules over but I only get about 3 of them then I run out of space :/ |
| 09:19.01 | bkruse_home | ideas? |
| 09:19.03 | maito | :( |
| 09:19.15 | maito | oh anyway, black it is |
| 09:20.29 | bkruse_home | is there something I have to do to get my sound card to work with gta01? |
| 09:20.47 | holycow | maito: nice ... i have one of these --> http://geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=582 |
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| 09:21.22 | buz | maito: dont you think the e51 is a bit expensive just as an bt modem? |
| 09:21.39 | buz | if you dont need the wlan, consider nokia 6120 |
| 09:21.40 | torpor | bkruse_home: boot off SD card .. |
| 09:21.46 | holycow | http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID=601 <-- interesting |
| 09:22.04 | FuzzyCat | torpor, ? |
| 09:22.06 | FuzzyCat | wtf |
| 09:22.06 | maito | buz: other choices were: e90, samsung g800, and htc tytn II |
| 09:22.17 | buz | e51 then |
| 09:22.26 | maito | buz: I want something quality, it will have to last for 2 years and it needs to do HSDPA |
| 09:22.44 | buz | thats cool, opensource drivers |
| 09:23.04 | FuzzyCat | vodafone are good at that too, they have an sf project |
| 09:23.22 | holycow | heh |
| 09:23.23 | torpor | FuzzyCat: what? |
| 09:23.26 | buz | after more than 4 years my p900 still lives |
| 09:23.34 | xcasex | FuzzyCat: where are we wrt audio atm? |
| 09:23.35 | FuzzyCat | <torpor> bkruse_home: boot off SD card .. |
| 09:23.35 | maito | and this way Id get 3g speeds on openmoko when the freerun is released :) |
| 09:23.41 | FuzzyCat | to solve the no audio? |
| 09:23.46 | maito | s/freerun/freerunner |
| 09:23.53 | FuzzyCat | xcasex, still broken.. |
| 09:23.58 | torpor | FuzzyCat: no, to solve the no disk space dilemna.. |
| 09:24.15 | FuzzyCat | ahh, delayed answer from you then |
| 09:24.34 | maito | holycow: nice umpc |
| 09:24.36 | xcasex | :/ |
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| 09:24.45 | FuzzyCat | <bkruse_home> is there something I have to do to get my sound card to work with gta01? |
| 09:24.47 | FuzzyCat | <torpor> bkruse_home: boot off SD card .. |
| 09:24.49 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 09:24.49 | torpor | okay, away time... gotta do some work. |
| 09:25.22 | maito | holycow: but Id like to have something that I can carry with me and that has more power - I bought a 12" core2duo |
| 09:25.48 | FuzzyCat | if you want one with audio you might try the 1207 image xcasex .. |
| 09:25.57 | FuzzyCat | iirc that was the last one that worked ok |
| 09:26.34 | holycow | maito: yeah *nod*. i just couldn't get around having to carry around a full laptop |
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| 09:26.38 | holycow | or even a subnotebook |
| 09:26.42 | maito | heh |
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| 09:27.02 | buz | there just arent any decent 12" ones below 3000USD |
| 09:27.05 | holycow | my boss just got a 12" panasonic w7 |
| 09:27.09 | maito | Im tall and strong ;) I can carry a subnotebook + a tablet/pda + a phone with me |
| 09:27.11 | holycow | very light but still way too big |
| 09:27.13 | holycow | for me |
| 09:27.19 | holycow | maito: lol! |
| 09:27.26 | maito | really I am |
| 09:27.34 | maito | buz: x-serie thinkpad |
| 09:27.40 | holycow | :) |
| 09:27.44 | maroi | x300 would be nice ;) |
| 09:28.52 | buz | x series thinkpad have lousy 1024*769 screen |
| 09:28.52 | maito | also with subnotebooks, you can spend countless hours trying to find one with the right price + linux comptibility + durability |
| 09:29.14 | holycow | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3947 |
| 09:29.17 | buz | looking at the specs, the x300 should be very linux compatible |
| 09:29.18 | holycow | veeeeery interesting |
| 09:29.22 | maito | honestly I dislike the 1280x800, 1366x768 from sony (11.1") is also bad but better |
| 09:29.28 | holycow | thank you guys for the heads up ... this could be a huge help |
| 09:29.47 | buz | yeah 1280x800 is lousy too |
| 09:29.55 | buz | which is why i love the 1440x900 in the x300 |
| 09:29.56 | bkruse_home | FuzzyCat: ya, I was kind of confused about that answer too :P |
| 09:29.59 | holycow | i just decided all resolutions are lousy |
| 09:30.02 | maito | looking at the x300, it wont be under 3000usd when its worth to order :D |
| 09:30.04 | buz | (of course, my 15" has 1920x1200) |
| 09:30.09 | holycow | i have dual monitors at work and its still not enough realasted |
| 09:30.13 | maito | buz: ah! thats what we need on 12" |
| 09:30.22 | holycow | i'm not contemplating a quad 24 inc moni setup and i'm sure i'm still going to complain |
| 09:30.27 | maito | holycow: and you can do with 1024x600? O_o |
| 09:30.32 | maito | on your umpc |
| 09:30.40 | holycow | yes actually |
| 09:31.00 | holycow | linux desktops really helps of course |
| 09:31.01 | maito | whats the dpi of openmoko screen? |
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| 09:31.31 | maito | 285 |
| 09:31.45 | maito | whereas laptop screens are usually better of computers, 120dpi or less |
| 09:31.50 | maito | and desktops can be 96 |
| 09:32.20 | maito | okay now, bye |
| 09:33.18 | miha | bye |
| 09:33.30 | bkruse_home | ugh this audio thing is killing me |
| 09:33.44 | miha | anyone here uses OpenMoko w/ QEMU? |
| 09:33.44 | buz | i need an affordable 24" |
| 09:34.57 | bkruse_home | is there any reason / should already be full? |
| 09:35.11 | bkruse_home | of course the drivers wont fit for the sd card either |
| 09:35.12 | bkruse_home | ugh! |
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| 09:44.06 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3911 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/series: |
| 09:44.06 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Temporarily reinstating the disable-hwecc patch, since we get streams of |
| 09:44.07 | CIA-9 | openmoko: ECC errors in some cases that still need investigating. |
| 09:44.07 | CIA-9 | openmoko: series: s3c2440-nand-disable-hwecc.patch |
| 09:44.28 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3912 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/scripts/build: scripts/build: updated to KERNEL 2.6.24-rc8 and SVN_REV 3911 |
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| 09:50.59 | bkruse_home | how do I erase the old rootfs? |
| 09:51.12 | bkruse_home | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 wont work for me |
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| 09:58.55 | Atull__ | Hi, I update gsmd patches both on host and on target but while executing AT command application get hangs |
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| 10:50.00 | Field | bkruse_home: why do you want to erase it? why not just put a new one over the old one using dfu-util? |
| 10:50.46 | bkruse_home | Field: new question, how can you debug applications? |
| 10:50.58 | bkruse_home | My app seems to be dying and crashing the whole phone with it :/ |
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| 10:55.35 | miha | i want to know how to debug applications |
| 10:55.47 | miha | gdb isn't up to anything but the simplest |
| 10:55.57 | bkruse_home | gdb was what I thought |
| 10:56.02 | bkruse_home | is it in the repos? |
| 10:56.10 | miha | yes |
| 10:56.14 | bkruse_home | rocking, perfect |
| 10:56.21 | bkruse_home | hopefully I can keep it from crashing my phone |
| 10:56.57 | miha | yes, well i tried gdb on the phone and it worked for simple apps |
| 10:57.04 | bkruse_home | interesting |
| 10:57.05 | bkruse_home | ty :] |
| 10:57.06 | zedstar | are u able to test the app on your desktop? what kind of crash is it? |
| 10:57.25 | bkruse_home | it locks the phone completely |
| 10:57.41 | bkruse_home | adding some debug statements, does not happen on my desktop, my guess is because its a library isue |
| 10:58.24 | zedstar | is a C app? |
| 10:58.24 | idioterna | miha: why do you say gdb is only for simple apps? |
| 10:58.48 | idioterna | while i understand how difficult debugging python can be using gdb, it's still a formidable tool |
| 10:58.58 | bkruse_home | zedstar: yes |
| 10:59.26 | miha | idioterna: because it just didn't work, it did not set the breakopints where i wanted |
| 10:59.57 | idioterna | miha: was your application written in C? |
| 11:00.14 | idioterna | i mean the one you were trying to debug |
| 11:00.16 | miha | and it's also difficult to use gdb on the phone because you have to type using the software keyboard |
| 11:00.21 | miha | yes it is in C |
| 11:00.25 | zedstar | bkruse_home: why can u add some printf or some kind of debug though to the desktop version? |
| 11:00.29 | zedstar | cant |
| 11:00.30 | idioterna | well then just break file.c:linenumber |
| 11:00.43 | bkruse_home | zedstar: I can |
| 11:00.45 | idioterna | and run gdb over USB network link |
| 11:00.47 | bkruse_home | the desktop version does not crash |
| 11:00.47 | miha | so i tried gdbserver |
| 11:01.00 | zedstar | bkruse: so it runs fine on desktop but just crashes phone? |
| 11:01.08 | bkruse_home | zedstar: yep |
| 11:02.04 | zedstar | bkruse: the same debug output not showing u how far it is getting? |
| 11:04.26 | bkruse_home | I think to where it is doing some audio initilization |
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| 11:24.05 | Atull__ | Hi, I update gsmd patches both on host and on target but while executing AT command application get hangs |
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| 11:49.39 | xcasex | are there no prebuilt qemu images? |
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| 11:59.08 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3913 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:59.08 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Patch by: Frank Li <frank.li@intel.com> |
| 11:59.08 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 11:59.08 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * bindings/python/Makefile.am: |
| 11:59.08 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * bindings/python/moko.override: |
| 11:59.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * bindings/python/mokomodule.c: (initmoko): |
| 11:59.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
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| 12:24.11 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: there were - I think it may be very old by now. Search on Qemu in the wiki. |
| 12:24.31 | SpeedEvil | Atul_: what 'AT' command are you trying to send? |
| 12:24.32 | xcasex | ungh |
| 12:26.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3914 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 12:26.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 2.6.24 did not match the vibrator LED device to the right driver |
| 12:26.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This fixes that and allows control of the vibrator by the following |
| 12:26.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: path: |
| 12:26.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: echo 127 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973\:vibrator/brightness |
| 12:26.14 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: warmcat <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 12:26.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: gta02-core.patch |
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| 12:59.37 | Iko974629 | hi |
| 13:00.31 | Iko974629 | anyone here? |
| 13:01.29 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:01.42 | tsuramoto | not me |
| 13:01.50 | SpeedEvil | Be afraid, Be very afraid! In space, noone can hear you scream! |
| 13:01.52 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:02.22 | tsuramoto | you could be marooned, just like that!! |
| 13:02.27 | Iko974629 | I'd like some information :) |
| 13:03.46 | ahven | "don't ask to ask. ask!" |
| 13:03.57 | SpeedEvil | Or pay to ask. |
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| 13:04.28 | Iko974629 | I'm a college student, I have to do a thesi on operating system |
| 13:04.50 | SpeedEvil | Operating systems are bad! |
| 13:04.59 | Iko974629 | I'd like the hw ref about the samsung processor on neo1973 |
| 13:05.08 | SpeedEvil | look on the wiki |
| 13:05.21 | SpeedEvil | under neo1973 -> neo1973 hardware |
| 13:05.25 | Iko974629 | yeah... but there is the full docs |
| 13:05.32 | SpeedEvil | yes tehre is |
| 13:06.32 | Iko974629 | only the user manual http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productRightMenuDown.do?doc_file=26537 |
| 13:07.29 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean? |
| 13:07.35 | SpeedEvil | by full manual? |
| 13:07.51 | SpeedEvil | if that's the one I'm thinking of, it's got details of the peripherals, register maps, ... |
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| 13:16.04 | Iko974629 | on samsung support site there are a lot of docs but for security reason there aren't available for download :( |
| 13:16.25 | Iko974629 | I think that the register maps, etc are in these docs... |
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| 13:18.53 | SpeedEvil | google um_s3c2410a_rev11.pdf |
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| 13:23.58 | Iko974629 | only 3 links but not so useful http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&q=um_s3c2410a_rev11.pdf&btnG=Cerca+con+Google&meta= |
| 13:24.18 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, i guess the there are a lot of guys from germany, i heard that courses in technical degrees are in german and not in english..is that true? |
| 13:26.04 | SpeedEvil | Iko974629: google s3c2410a datasheet |
| 13:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: in germany? |
| 13:26.53 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 13:29.56 | Iko974629 | ok thx |
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| 13:40.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3915 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 3 dirs): gsmd: retrieve imsi value before sending at command (Sean Chiang) |
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| 13:41.09 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 13:46.09 | xcasex | ahem. |
| 13:46.33 | xcasex | what else is bothering the dpi setting except the /etc/X11/Xserver file |
| 13:48.43 | cosmin | is anyone else having trouble with 'make flash-qemu-local' from MokoMakefile? |
| 13:54.41 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 13:54.49 | bedboi | hey florian |
| 13:59.52 | Atul_ | SpeedEvil, AT Command like AT, AT+CGMI, AT+CGMR |
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| 14:15.31 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r52 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:15.31 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: added gprs enabling daemon |
| 14:15.31 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: added cellid-to-location daemon |
| 14:15.31 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: simplified dbus api |
| 14:15.31 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: send signals only for status-changes and allow request for status |
| 14:15.32 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: added code for activation from muxer |
| 14:15.36 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: seperated config into an ini file |
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| 14:24.17 | jamesbew | whats going on this the FreeRunner? |
| 14:28.33 | SpeedEvil | Not much. |
| 14:28.42 | SpeedEvil | Driver development work in-house at OpenMoko |
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| 14:32.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3916 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 14:32.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: (parent_set_cb), |
| 14:32.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_add), (moko_finger_scroll_dispose), |
| 14:32.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_init), (moko_finger_scroll_mode_get_type): |
| 14:32.12 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Fix removal of widgets from a MokoFingerScroll causing crashes/weird |
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| 14:32.15 | CIA-9 | openmoko: behaviour |
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| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3918 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/sms.h: |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (sms_contacts_page_new): |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Store the MokoFingerScroll the treeview is placed in |
| 15:06.40 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (forward_clicked_cb): |
| 15:06.42 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Show a contacts chooser for picking which contact to forward to |
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| 15:31.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 15:31.00 | CIA-9 | openmoko: python bindings disabled by default |
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| 16:27.04 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3921 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/2.6.24/ (atheros_2_0_function.patch atheros_2_0_sdio_stack.patch): |
| 16:27.04 | CIA-9 | openmoko: ar6k-atheros-2.0: 2.6.24 patches update. |
| 16:27.04 | CIA-9 | openmoko: This fixes the iperf bug on 2.6.24. |
| 16:29.46 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3922 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:29.46 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Patch by: Frank Li <frank.li@intel.com> |
| 16:29.46 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: (moko_get_time_delta), |
| 16:29.46 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb), (moko_finger_scroll_refresh), |
| 16:29.47 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_timeout), |
| 16:29.48 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_motion_notify_cb), |
| 16:29.52 | CIA-9 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_release_cb), (parent_set_cb), |
| 16:30.42 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3923 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/2.6.24/atheros_2_0_hcd.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: Forgot the HCD patch. |
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| 16:38.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3924 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (atheros_2_0_hcd-patch atheros_2_0_hcd.patch series): |
| 16:38.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: series, atheros_2_0_hcd-patch: renamed atheros_2_0_hcd-patch to |
| 16:38.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: atheros_2_0_hcd.patch |
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| 17:00.51 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:03.21 | Field | am I right, that the openmoko-kernel reallizes the console over the framebuffer by simply aktivating "framebuffer console" in die kernel-config-file? |
| 17:04.28 | Field | i should read what I am writing before hitting return ... but I'm sure everyone understands, what i mean =) |
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| 17:06.28 | Field | little background: I use my own micro-kernel with a linux on top of this - the parameter "vga=0x301" is reaching my kernel (cat /proc/cmdline) but I actually could only see the console via serial interface |
| 17:10.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3925 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (libopkg.h opkg_download.c): opkg: include the current url being downloaded in the progress callback |
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| 17:33.32 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3926 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/opkg_download.c: opkg: don't report the same download percentage multiple times |
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| 17:42.34 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3927 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/2.6.24/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: We don't unregister our netdev if it doesn't exist. |
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| 18:18.12 | FuzzyCat | any gtk programming types about ? |
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| 18:23.25 | chris^ | :d |
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| 18:33.13 | FuzzyCat | does g_timeout_add_seconds just do 1 call and then terminate, or is it supposed to recurr ? |
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| 18:39.24 | haakeyar__ | FuzzyCat: "The function is called repeatedly until it returns FALSE, at which point the timeout is automatically destroyed and the function will not be called again." |
| 18:39.27 | haakeyar__ | http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-timeout-add-seconds |
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| 18:40.57 | Mek | hmm... I wonder why libpcre-4.4 is the only/newest version in openembedded/openmoko... that's a version from over 4 years old... |
| 18:41.55 | Mek | (and I have a program that has a dependency on libpcre >= 4.5) :) |
| 18:42.41 | gi-el | Mek: well, update OE :) |
| 18:42.57 | gi-el | Mek: to answer your question, pbly because nobody needed a newer version |
| 18:44.23 | Mek | if I could figure out how to update it to at least 4.5 in my local copy I'd do that... but there seems to be a lot of magic stuff going on automaticaly in bitbake that I don't understand/can't find documentation for... |
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| 18:52.43 | Mek | hmm... pcre4.5 fails to compile because it doesn't seem to be defining EXPORT... |
| 18:53.11 | quicksand | Mek: the best (only?) documentation for bitbake/oe consists of other people's bitbake recipes. Go read your packages and includes directories. ;) |
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| 18:57.56 | Mek | ah, libpcre7.5 (the latest release) does compile cleanly... |
| 19:00.52 | torpor | yo |
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| 19:11.15 | _Krieger_ | This page introduces you to the most efficient way to create new software for the OpenMoko platform. Note that there is a VMware image where this environment has been prebuilt for you. --- where is that image??? |
| 19:12.12 | mickeyl | this is not finished yet |
| 19:12.18 | mickeyl | i was a bit premature with editign this page |
| 19:13.02 | Stephmw | woops :) |
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| 19:20.02 | torpor | i'd be happy to share my parallels image if thats of any help . |
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| 19:20.24 | mickeyl | cool, why not |
| 19:20.28 | mickeyl | i'm getting a mac soon |
| 19:20.32 | mickeyl | this week hopefully |
| 19:20.35 | mickeyl | can you upload somewhere? |
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| 19:33.40 | torpor | mickeyl: yeah i'll do that .. |
| 19:39.18 | mickeyl | cool, thanks |
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| 20:04.23 | philippe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.35 | ajbrun | rgr that |
| 20:04.44 | philippe | ajbrun: actually back :-) |
| 20:04.55 | ajbrun | you tricked me :( |
| 20:07.01 | FuzzyCat | haakeyar__ : yeah, thanks - I just had a hot bath and thought about it in there... came out sorted the problem |
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| 20:15.16 | *** topic/#openmoko is http://openmoko.org | Buy Neo1973 at http://direct.openmoko.com | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due March. Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 20:23.21 | *** topic/#openmoko is http://openmoko.org | Buy Neo1973 at http://direct.openmoko.com | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due March. Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 20:23.38 | philippe | Stephmw: never noticed that, but never did it either so it might be a problem |
| 20:23.58 | Stephmw | philippe: don't suppose you have an image you could try that on quickly? |
| 20:25.25 | balrog-kun | the question is whether the real versatile/pb handles that much, maybe it's impossible anyway |
| 20:26.12 | balrog-kun | right, it's impossible |
| 20:26.28 | balrog-kun | the sysctl registers are at 0x10000000 PA in the ARM designs |
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| 20:26.34 | Stephmw | ahh |
| 20:27.33 | Stephmw | thanks for checking |
| 20:27.50 | balrog-kun | you would have to map a second chip through some kind of flash controller or something, outside the RAM space and it would be slower (on real hw) |
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| 20:37.17 | quicksand | Has anyone here tried to hook up a Neo to a stereo system by a 2.5mm-to-3.5mm (4-conductor-to-3-conductor) stereo cable? I get bad results. |
| 20:38.05 | quicksand | Loud scratching sounds in the stereo, and neod doesn't select the headphone-only output. |
| 20:38.33 | quicksand | Is the hardware expecting to see a microphone (or similar impedance) attached? |
| 20:38.46 | balrog-kun | i've only tried with headphones and a 2.5mm-to-3.5mm adapter, it sounded ok |
| 20:39.03 | balrog-kun | it was able to go much louder with the headphones than any other hardware i have at home |
| 20:39.14 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r54 10/trunk/software/py-proto/pygsmd.py: workaround for strange response on AT+CIMI added |
| 20:39.35 | quicksand | Headphones work OK for me too. Hooking up to something active, not so much. |
| 20:39.45 | balrog-kun | but i have not tried routing gsm calls to the headphones, only music from Linux |
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| 20:40.27 | quicksand | (I have only tried the included headphones, though, not via adapter -- my 3.5mm end has the wrong gender for that) |
| 20:40.31 | quicksand | And yes, this is all via the media player, not calls. One thing at a time! |
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| 21:02.41 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3928 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Sync from CVS. |
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| 21:32.00 | shred | hi |
| 21:32.21 | maito | hi |
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| 21:33.22 | shred | how can i rotate the screen orientation on a low level? i want to rotate the screen and set is to the resolution 320x240 |
| 21:33.39 | shred | i saw this in the wiki: chvt 4 && echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state && fbset qvga |
| 21:34.02 | shred | but it doesnt rotate it. and i dont know how this could be achieved on a low level |
| 21:37.28 | mjr | not possible with gta01 at least |
| 21:38.13 | mjr | the framebuffer is always portrait, you need to rotate in software |
| 21:39.36 | SpeedEvil | Or hardware |
| 21:39.52 | SpeedEvil | (though that solution does reduce the available width) |
| 21:40.12 | SpeedEvil | But seriously. |
| 21:40.16 | mjr | eek, can you? |
| 21:40.42 | SpeedEvil | yes, you have to do it in software, unless turning the phone 90 degrees from what you were hoping works. |
| 21:40.57 | SpeedEvil | A nice optimised rotator would be so nice. |
| 21:41.04 | mjr | *facepalm* |
| 21:41.09 | mjr | annyway... |
| 21:41.11 | SpeedEvil | optimised for cache and stuff |
| 21:41.55 | shred | is there no way to redirect the frame buffer to landscape mode? |
| 21:41.59 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 21:42.18 | SpeedEvil | sorry, I was being silly. You can rotate the phone |
| 21:42.24 | SpeedEvil | (physically) |
| 21:42.40 | SpeedEvil | But you can't make it look like a 320x240 display |
| 21:42.46 | SpeedEvil | rather than a 240x230 |
| 21:42.54 | SpeedEvil | (or the equivalent VGA)O |
| 21:43.03 | zash_ | xrandr! |
| 21:43.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure xrandr is very optimised |
| 21:43.45 | SpeedEvil | some trivial tests I did and basic sums seemed to indicate to me that it should get better performance than it was. |
| 21:44.11 | SpeedEvil | This could of course be my limited understanding rather than lack of optimisation. |
| 21:44.59 | shred | when i use xrandr i get the error: http://pastebin.org/16556 any hints? |
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| 22:11.01 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 22:43.30 | mjr | fookin' ay |
| 22:44.11 | mjr | got decent full-screen (as much as is possible aspect-wise) video playing juuust fine |
| 22:44.34 | josch | yep it works just fine with gta01 + mpeg4 |
| 22:44.56 | josch | mjr, did you use my mencoder settings I posted in the wiki? |
| 22:45.41 | mjr | actually I cooked some up myself, probably not too optimal (and mpeg1 only), might see about that |
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| 22:46.44 | quicksand | Bleh, and I can't even get mp3 to play without skipping. |
| 22:47.03 | mjr | with the gui mediaplayer? |
| 22:47.12 | quicksand | !@#% PulseAudio |
| 22:47.22 | mjr | yes, pulseaudio hogs cpu like a hog |
| 22:47.27 | quicksand | Yeah. |
| 22:47.46 | josch | it's no bug - it's a feature! |
| 22:47.51 | quicksand | I like pulse on the desktop, but on this machine . . . not so much. |
| 22:49.48 | josch | mjr, try this: mencoder input.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=300 -vf crop=xx:xx:xx:xx,rotate=2,scale=-2:320 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=64:cbr -o output2.avi |
| 22:50.00 | mjr | yeah, I got that from the wiki and running now |
| 22:50.02 | josch | I watched 300 this way on my neo just fine :-D |
| 22:50.59 | mjr | now one would like an mplayer ui with as much kludging as needed... |
| 22:51.37 | josch | isn't the new mediaplayer by abraxa_ mplayer based? |
| 22:51.40 | quicksand | Nice. Snarfed. |
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| 22:55.09 | coptix | how is playback performance on the neo? |
| 22:55.20 | SpeedEvil | not _too_ bad |
| 22:55.34 | SpeedEvil | Basically on a very early unhacked mplayer. |
| 22:55.37 | josch | coptix, with qvga - prerotated it's just fine |
| 22:55.54 | SpeedEvil | It gets 20+FPS on your average 150K/s MPg |
| 22:56.41 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - prerotated, with the appropriate codec, it's quite possible. |
| 22:57.17 | SpeedEvil | I mean kbytes/s |
| 22:57.21 | josch | ah kk |
| 22:57.33 | SpeedEvil | teh average 'VCD' quality stuff played OK without any hacking at all |
| 22:57.39 | SpeedEvil | dropping the occasional frame. |
| 22:57.52 | coptix | sounds good - so freerunner should have no problem? |
| 22:58.11 | josch | coptix, at least less problems ^^ |
| 22:58.17 | SpeedEvil | That's a seperate issue. |
| 22:58.34 | SpeedEvil | The GPU on freerunner has a very slow bus. |
| 22:58.41 | SpeedEvil | (30 megabytes/second) |
| 22:58.55 | SpeedEvil | So if you're pushing raw pixels to it, that may be a limiting factor. |
| 22:59.21 | SpeedEvil | However, at QVGA that isn't so much of a problem |
| 22:59.29 | josch | not with qvga and nobody needs more for video |
| 22:59.31 | SpeedEvil | The GPU can do hardware rotate |
| 22:59.55 | josch | SpeedEvil, does mplayer support this feature?? |
| 23:00.02 | josch | probably not |
| 23:00.03 | SpeedEvil | And the GPU can do IDCT and stuff that higher level video codecs may be able to use to output partially cooked output to it. |
| 23:00.11 | SpeedEvil | support what feature? |
| 23:00.15 | josch | rotation |
| 23:00.17 | coptix | nice |
| 23:00.25 | quicksand | the om media player is based on gstreamer, isn't it? |
| 23:00.41 | borg_ | quicksand: yes |
| 23:00.57 | SpeedEvil | josch: the mplayer I was referring to was a _very_ early one simply running on GTA01s raw framebuffer unrotated |
| 23:01.29 | josch | SpeedEvil, never used mplayer on my neo in an other way than unrotated framebuffer |
| 23:01.30 | quicksand | I should try installing mplayer and playing mp3s that way. It's a little less convenient to operate from the command line while driving, though. |
| 23:02.25 | SpeedEvil | mplayer - with the right codec (I forget) plays mp3 at about 25% load |
| 23:02.36 | SpeedEvil | 128K |
| 23:02.47 | josch | one should just try them all out then |
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| 23:02.56 | SpeedEvil | It easily manages with CPU clock at 100Mhz |
| 23:03.10 | SpeedEvil | problem is it may bve a special codec, I forget. |
| 23:04.08 | josch | since mp3 in videos seems to be no problem for mplayer without any codec hacking mp3 without video kindof /has/ to work without lagging |
| 23:04.43 | SpeedEvil | In the earlier example I disabled audio - it wouldn't _quite_ manage smooth audio with |
| 23:05.10 | josch | had no problems with mplayer + mpeg4 + mp3 |
| 23:05.47 | SpeedEvil | This was simply a 'will the assorted media files I have play' test - not specifically created ones with sensible bitrates. |
| 23:06.10 | SpeedEvil | Some tests on that indicated you can go really quite low in terms of bitrate. |
| 23:06.15 | SpeedEvil | On a 2.8" screen. |
| 23:06.37 | SpeedEvil | I found that 160*120 was in most cases quite acceptable. |
| 23:06.45 | josch | agreed |
| 23:07.27 | josch | the screen is too tiny as if anything more would make much sense as you are not able to see the difference |
| 23:07.49 | quicksand | Oh, I'm sure that's true. I'll tolerate quite a bit of picture grunge if I'm just trying to watch a TV show on an airplane. |
| 23:08.17 | coptix | and the encode finishes quicker with lower resolution ;) |
| 23:08.34 | SpeedEvil | I have done on-neo transcoding. |
| 23:08.37 | quicksand | More will fit on my micro-SD that way too! |
| 23:08.39 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually _that_ bad. |
| 23:08.40 | josch | quicksand, just be suprised that there is no noticeable difference between qvga and four times the resolution (vga) |
| 23:09.09 | SpeedEvil | But is of course not realtime |
| 23:09.17 | coptix | regarding microSD - whats the largest card that's been reported to work with the neo? |
| 23:09.18 | maito | josch: you upped the bitrate too? |
| 23:09.26 | SpeedEvil | CoreDump|afk: 6G I think |
| 23:09.29 | SpeedEvil | cop: |
| 23:09.52 | SpeedEvil | Someone mentioned 8G - I don't know that that was actually attached though. |
| 23:09.56 | josch | maito, it's quite hard to maintain the same bitrate if you quadrupel the resolution |
| 23:10.04 | coptix | ah ok |
| 23:10.20 | SpeedEvil | (In principle if 6 works, 8 should) |
| 23:10.22 | josch | SpeedEvil, I own an 8G microsd |
| 23:10.23 | quicksand | josch: Depends on the source. I would posit that most VGA video came originally from 480i (or 525i) sources and hence is missing true VGA detail anyway. |
| 23:10.31 | maito | josch: of course you need to up the bitrate too when you up the resolution. maybe big time |
| 23:10.33 | quicksand | I have an 8G on the way, and I'll report back with results. |
| 23:10.37 | josch | SpeedEvil, sandisk and works fine as my rootfs |
| 23:10.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:10.45 | SpeedEvil | josch: speed? |
| 23:10.46 | josch | quicksand, sandisk? |
| 23:10.58 | quicksand | Yes. |
| 23:11.01 | coptix | thats good to hear |
| 23:11.04 | SpeedEvil | josch: meg/second read and write in the neo that is. |
| 23:11.09 | josch | quicksand, so it will work :-) |
| 23:11.24 | josch | SpeedEvil, just tell my how to benchmark it for you |
| 23:11.35 | quicksand | Awesome. I had assumed so but it's nice to get confirmation. |
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| 23:12.02 | SpeedEvil | time dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/testfile bs=1024 count=102400 |
| 23:12.16 | SpeedEvil | will give write speed for 100M of zeros |
| 23:12.17 | shred | how do i set the neo to qvga to get it working with mplayer? |
| 23:12.55 | josch | shred, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
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| 23:15.24 | shred | josch: then i get a black screen with "state_write: Switch to state:3 jbt6k74_enter_state: entering(old_state=normal_to_sleep: entering ..............) |
| 23:16.32 | josch | SpeedEvil, 1m 17.76s |
| 23:16.48 | shred | actually i can start mplayer from ssh. but is there a way to preserve the gui at the lower resolution |
| 23:16.53 | SpeedEvil | josch: ? |
| 23:17.07 | josch | SpeedEvil, the time to write to the sdcard |
| 23:17.08 | SpeedEvil | shred: not without starting another X I think |
| 23:17.14 | SpeedEvil | josch: ah |
| 23:17.28 | SpeedEvil | josch: so that looks like on the order of 800k/second write |
| 23:18.39 | josch | SpeedEvil, is there a comparison of read/write speeds with several card types on the neo? |
| 23:18.53 | SpeedEvil | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 23:19.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure that tehre was a _significant_ regression in speed as the fix for the write-hang went in |
| 23:20.00 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: isn't it more? |
| 23:20.32 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: no - less |
| 23:20.36 | toxx_ | quicksand, i managed to get mp3s working without any gaps through the openmoko media player as soon as I simply reniced pulseaudio to -10. I wonder why that's not the default. |
| 23:20.46 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: I'm sure I recall speeds of 2M+/second |
| 23:21.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1193 has been created by mjr(AT)iki.fi |
| 23:21.01 | cdbot2 | * * Severe performance problems with Pulseaudio |
| 23:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1193 |
| 23:21.10 | SpeedEvil | Wow - that was quick. |
| 23:21.21 | toxx_ | :-) |
| 23:21.26 | quicksand | My kingston 2G card gives 1m 9.02s -- same order of magnitude. |
| 23:21.29 | mickeyl | well |
| 23:21.36 | mickeyl | that should rather be in the pulseaudio bugtracker |
| 23:21.42 | SpeedEvil | My kingston 512M card gives... |
| 23:21.45 | mickeyl | there's something wrong |
| 23:21.48 | mickeyl | PA should not behave so badly |
| 23:22.03 | mickeyl | unfortunately 0.9.8 doesn't work w/ gstreamer |
| 23:22.24 | toxx_ | as i said, it works ok for me, if it has enough priority :) |
| 23:22.28 | SpeedEvil | real 1m 59.35s |
| 23:22.33 | quicksand | toxx_: I'll try that, and maybe put the nice-ness in the launcher if it works |
| 23:22.43 | SpeedEvil | I think it's kingston anyway |
| 23:22.48 | quicksand | SpeedEvil: empty card? |
| 23:23.05 | SpeedEvil | no - ex2fs - it shouldn't matter that much |
| 23:23.10 | quicksand | ext2 or fat? |
| 23:23.24 | mickeyl | toxx_: well it's burning a lot of cycles somewhere |
| 23:23.38 | mickeyl | + gstreamer not making it better |
| 23:24.14 | toxx_ | mickeyl, ok, I agree this is rather a workaround than a fix. i just thought it would be nice to share my findings as i was also disappointed by my neos music performace. |
| 23:25.01 | quicksand | My 2G card has two partitions -- I get 1:09.02 for the fat and 0:56.53 for the ext2 |
| 23:25.14 | SpeedEvil | what about read? |
| 23:26.08 | SpeedEvil | This is odd - successive reads, 22, 35,47s |
| 23:26.54 | josch | reading 100M: time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p1 of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=102400 |
| 23:27.04 | quicksand | time cat testfile > /dev/null gives me 40.37 (ext2, first try) |
| 23:27.08 | josch | 0m 37.93s |
| 23:27.48 | josch | we definately should document this, shouldn't we? |
| 23:27.51 | quicksand | 42.96 (ext2, second try) |
| 23:28.05 | quicksand | IRC log! |
| 23:28.11 | josch | haha |
| 23:32.00 | quicksand | On the fat partition I get 40.32 and 39.16 -- pretty consistent |
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| 23:34.35 | quicksand | GTG. Somebody wanna update the wiki? ;) |
| 23:34.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm doing a trivial test script |
| 23:34.54 | josch | SpeedEvil, great |
| 23:35.26 | josch | but shouldn't benchmarks be done without a file system in between? like writing plainly onto the device? |
| 23:35.35 | SpeedEvil | In theory yes. |
| 23:35.42 | quicksand | If you post it somewhere I'll run it when I'm back. |
| 23:35.51 | SpeedEvil | In practice, a whole lot more people will run it if they don't need to nuke all their files. |
| 23:35.57 | josch | haha |
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| 23:37.19 | mmontour | Benchmarking writes with 'dd' may not be accurate. You want something that will do an fsync() at the end to flush any data that's cached in RAM. Read testing should also flush caches before each measurement. |
| 23:37.40 | SpeedEvil | yes - script addresses than in a most complete and accurate way. |
| 23:37.46 | SpeedEvil | It uses 128M test file |
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| 23:43.33 | Vegar | you got it running, cesarb? |
| 23:44.19 | cesarb | Vegar: I did test it already a bit on the real hardware, but with the "userspace" governor |
| 23:44.31 | cesarb | Vegar: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/cpufreq |
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| 23:45.15 | cesarb | this indicator is ridiculously innacurate |
| 23:45.48 | SpeedEvil | 55%=0 |
| 23:46.00 | SpeedEvil | Oops - I need to get that patch found, compiled and off |
| 23:46.01 | KrisAbsinthe | Ok, i just checked out the svn is there a way to compile everything at once? |
| 23:46.44 | mmontour | On my 2G Kingston card I get a write rate of 2.4 MiB/s and a read rate of 3.2 MiB/s. The card is formatted with ext3 and mounted async,noatime. |
| 23:47.01 | SpeedEvil | kernel? |
| 23:48.14 | mmontour | my kernel? 2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13 |
| 23:48.36 | SpeedEvil | uname -a |
| 23:48.36 | SpeedEvil | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 19 20:33:49 GMT 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 23:50.10 | mmontour | my 'uname -a' is "Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jan 17 21:30:24 PST 2008 armv4tl unknown", but it's not very useful as it doesn't show the svn version |
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| 23:52.01 | SpeedEvil | ok - /proc/version not uname -a |
| 23:52.18 | cesarb | cool, "conservative" works fine (since I didn't make the anti-flicker patch for 2.6.22.5, I could see by the flicker) |
| 23:52.39 | mmontour | cat /proc/version: Linux version 2.6.22.5-moko11 (mmontour@mythtv) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Thu Jan 17 21:30:24 PST 2008 |
| 23:52.47 | cesarb | OTOH, ondemand worked for a bit and then got stuck at what I can by the flicker pattern identify as the minimum, 12000 (I comented out anything lower than that for this test) |
| 23:52.50 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: is this a work in terms of 'saves lots of power', or 'not explode'? |
| 23:53.46 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: a works in terms of "selects a somewhat correct speed, which I can see by the flicker pattern and by cating scaling_cur_speed" |
| 23:53.54 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:54.12 | SpeedEvil | does setfb help with reducing flicker? |
| 23:54.14 | Vegar | is it possible that 12MHz is too slow for ondemand? |
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| 23:54.34 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: where's the CPU? the battery seems cold to the touch, but I want to check the part of the case where the CPU is |
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| 23:54.43 | SpeedEvil | Umm |
| 23:54.51 | SpeedEvil | under the battery - ... |
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| 23:54.57 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: cool, even it being stuck at 12000, I can still do an orderly shutdown with ondemand |
| 23:54.59 | Mek | bah... the version of libxine in openembedded is also quite outdated it seems... |
| 23:55.04 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hah, no way I can check then :D |
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| 23:56.39 | Mek | why are all packages in openembedded > 2 years old :( |
| 23:56.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: below the battery is cold to the touch too, perhaps I didn't test for long enough... |
| 23:57.25 | SpeedEvil | I think 'under the battery' is about as good as you can get. |
| 23:57.36 | SpeedEvil | without opening the can |
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| 23:59.23 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: it's calling home |
| 23:59.30 | SpeedEvil | sigreturn() = ? (mask now [ILL SEGV ALRM TERM STKFLT CONT STOP TSTP TTIN TTOU URG XFSZ VTALRM PROF SYS]) |
| 23:59.30 | SpeedEvil | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 23:59.32 | SpeedEvil | ... |
