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| 01:13.22 | GoMittGo | GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "Are we going to stay ahead of the world, are we going to lead the world, or are we going to instead pull up the drawbridge and try to hang on to everything we've got and say we can't compete with the world?" (Ryan J. Halliday, "Romney Defends His Health-Care Plan," Nashua Telegraph, 6/7/07) |
| 01:13.27 | GoMittGo | GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "[W]e face a much tougher competitor or group of competitors coming from Asia than we've ever faced before. Asia is tough. There are a lot of Asians. They are hard working people. And they’re going to give us a run for our money in terms of our economic vitality." (Governor Mitt Romney, Remarks At The Club For Growth, 3/29/07) |
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| 01:14.42 | Crashbit | Hiz! I have a question, I install roofs and uImage in my neo1973 |
| 01:15.02 | SpeedEvil | generally a good plan |
| 01:15.08 | Crashbit | but the sound doesn't work |
| 01:15.10 | Crashbit | :) |
| 01:15.23 | Crashbit | I don't install the modules it's necessary? |
| 01:15.23 | SpeedEvil | what sound? |
| 01:15.37 | Crashbit | all the sound of my neo |
| 01:15.45 | SpeedEvil | has it ever worked? |
| 01:16.26 | Crashbit | yes, with an old kernel, but with this kernel not connected to gsm line |
| 01:16.43 | SpeedEvil | do touch-sounds work? |
| 01:16.48 | Crashbit | no |
| 01:17.02 | SpeedEvil | what kernel and image did you install? |
| 01:17.22 | Crashbit | the last kernel and image in OM2 |
| 01:17.55 | Crashbit | with the old kernels gsmd not connected to my gsm service |
| 01:18.20 | Crashbit | sorry but my english is very bad, i'm spanish |
| 01:18.39 | SpeedEvil | sorry - do you mean that GSM and sound do not work in this version? |
| 01:18.44 | SpeedEvil | But they have before? |
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| 03:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1166 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot receive incoming SMS if the sender number is stored in SIM card |
| 03:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1166 |
| 03:21.13 | ewon | heh, now that's a bug |
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| 03:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1167 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot print the Subscriber number (AT+CNUM) |
| 03:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1167 |
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| 05:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1168 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 05:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * eliminate GCC warning |
| 05:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1168 |
| 05:14.31 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3807 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (27 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: eliminate gcc warnings (Erin Yueh) |
| 05:18.45 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3808 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: remove SIGSEGV handler (Sean Chiang) |
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| 07:36.20 | Linux_Galore | a USB 3.0 connection seen in the flesh http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/usb-3-0-in-the-flesh/ |
| 07:40.38 | Atul_ | In openmoko toolchain building what this command does "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" Does it necessary for 86 architecture |
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| 07:42.00 | Atul_ | mbuf, In openmoko toolchain building what this command does "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" Does it necessary for 86 architecture. |
| 07:43.53 | mbuf | Atul_, to build the toolchain |
| 07:44.08 | mbuf | Atul_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Downloading_and_installing |
| 07:46.43 | Atul_ | mbuf, am doing the same, and follows the instruction mention on the site there I got "bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko" command. what to know does this command for 86 architecture. |
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| 07:47.07 | mbuf | Atul_, why do you want to do this? |
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| 07:48.37 | Atul_ | mbuf, am installing toolchain where I got this command |
| 07:48.48 | mbuf | Atul_, why? |
| 07:50.39 | mbuf | Atul_, the toolchain is already available for download |
| 07:50.49 | Atul_ | mbuf, yes |
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| 07:53.36 | Linux_Galore | lol OAPC (One Amiga Per Child) http://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/20080105oapc/ |
| 07:53.48 | xkr47 | :D |
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| 07:59.39 | meus | HAHA :) |
| 08:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1169 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot receive SMS in openmoko-messages2 application |
| 08:01.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1169 |
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| 08:09.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:10.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1170 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:10.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot send SMS from openmoko-messages2 application |
| 08:10.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1170 |
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| 08:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1171 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * reply/forward SMS from openmoko-messages2 |
| 08:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1171 |
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| 08:34.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1172 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
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| 08:34.01 | cdbot2 | * * cannot hear any sound from dialer in GTA02 |
| 08:34.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1172 |
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| 08:57.20 | Atul_ | HI |
| 09:00.09 | Linux_Galore | if your not nice santa will give you a fugtop http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/blingtop.jpg |
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| 10:05.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1173 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * no SMS communication history in Contacts |
| 10:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 |
| 10:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1174 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * not display time format in communication history from Contacts |
| 10:07.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1174 |
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| 11:23.38 | CVirus | Good day everyone |
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| 11:27.16 | pjb_ | hi |
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| 12:08.09 | mjr | *hmm*, my gsm provider has multisim service for 2.9 euro a month, including data usage... maybe I should get a usb hdspa modem as an aside anyway... |
| 12:08.12 | mjr | hsdpa |
| 12:09.06 | mjr | (including existing data service packages for my current gsm contract, that is, of course) |
| 12:11.41 | maito | mjr: saunalahti that is? |
| 12:11.50 | mjr | yes |
| 12:11.51 | zash | hm, one could rape huawei e220 and build it into the neo.. |
| 12:12.29 | maito | its darned expensive :/ usb |
| 12:12.56 | maito | and neo doesnt have a powered usb port so itd be quite a rape with its own battery perhaps? |
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| 12:14.14 | mjr | doesn't seem like a smart thing to do indeed |
| 12:14.33 | mjr | or too useful |
| 12:14.47 | zash | BUT, SIX TIMES FASTER DOWNLOADS!!!1 |
| 12:14.50 | zash | ;) |
| 12:14.57 | zash | unless there is turbo-3g |
| 12:15.05 | cjb_ie | would it be fast enough for real time streaming porn? |
| 12:15.22 | maito | HSDPA is 2Mbps |
| 12:15.24 | maito | in reality |
| 12:15.44 | maito | and in theory 3.6 or 7.2Mbps |
| 12:15.58 | maito | and upcoming 14.4Mbps |
| 12:16.17 | cjb_ie | 2Mbit? downhill with a following wind, next to the cell tower and with every other phone in the cell turned off, maybe. |
| 12:16.39 | cjb_ie | or maybe that's just my provider (three.ie) |
| 12:16.41 | zash | and ~300Kbps something here |
| 12:17.59 | maito | well 2Mbit when really near HSDPA enabled cell tower (in town, probably helsinki) |
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| 12:26.26 | zash | but no hsdpa coverage |
| 12:26.49 | zash | they do have coverage at umu |
| 12:27.15 | maito | mjr: but the ping time with 3g over gprs is worth it |
| 12:27.49 | CVirus | what's all the fuss about on the mailing list |
| 12:28.03 | CVirus | people are stupid enough to realize that the GTA01 is a dev phone |
| 12:28.04 | CVirus | wtf ! |
| 12:28.11 | CVirus | not to realize* |
| 12:28.58 | NineX | CVirus: lol |
| 12:29.25 | zash | CVirus: second line ^3wd$ |
| 12:29.36 | NineX | CVirus: GTA01 is mmore than dev phone, is the best geek toy |
| 12:29.53 | NineX | :> |
| 12:29.58 | CVirus | true |
| 12:31.34 | NineX | damn glamo patches for kernel are broken about 2 days and dont aply corectly :S |
| 12:32.05 | mjr | maito, yeah that'd be one factor |
| 12:32.28 | CVirus | NineX: too much typos ? |
| 12:32.35 | NineX | CVirus: http://pastebin.ca/848406 |
| 12:32.37 | NineX | :S |
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| 12:49.33 | ruimoreira | hi folks |
| 12:49.46 | ruimoreira | is the dialer working good lately ?= |
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| 13:10.24 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3809 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (8 files): ar6k-atheros-2.0: Initial commit for the 2.0 FW compatible ar6k driver. |
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| 14:02.27 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3810 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: Fixed include path. |
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| 14:26.11 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl ping |
| 14:26.22 | mickeyl | pöng |
| 14:27.07 | Ghiottone|work | oh hello |
| 14:27.36 | Ghiottone|work | I have sent you an email some days ago regarding a statified version of gllin |
| 14:27.55 | Ghiottone|work | some time ago you said you were interested |
| 14:28.29 | mickeyl | sure. got anywhere? |
| 14:28.40 | Ghiottone|work | yes |
| 14:28.56 | Ghiottone|work | the elf statifier developer could not port it to openmoko |
| 14:28.59 | Ghiottone|work | but |
| 14:29.05 | Ghiottone|work | managed to use ermine on it |
| 14:29.15 | Ghiottone|work | and produced a working statified version |
| 14:29.18 | qermit | kto z polski? |
| 14:29.20 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3811 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: Remove ugly and useless Makefiles. |
| 14:29.22 | Ghiottone|work | ermine is not open source |
| 14:29.40 | Ghiottone|work | but he said that the statified binary could be freely distributed |
| 14:29.54 | Ghiottone|work | that file was attached to the mail I sent you |
| 14:30.17 | SpeedEvil | Statified? |
| 14:30.19 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 14:31.10 | qermit | NineX: bu |
| 14:31.14 | Ghiottone|work | a binary that does not need the .so files |
| 14:31.22 | Ghiottone|work | but is bigger |
| 14:32.15 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: your debug board is on the way, btw. |
| 14:32.25 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: please confirm when it arrived |
| 14:32.33 | Sup3rkiddo | ah...StaticFied? |
| 14:32.44 | mickeyl | Ghiottone|work: hmm cool, yeah, please send it to me. |
| 14:33.05 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl you have it already |
| 14:33.28 | mickeyl | hmm. when did you send? |
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| 14:33.51 | Ghiottone|work | 18 december |
| 14:33.58 | mickeyl | ooh |
| 14:34.03 | Ghiottone|work | mickey at OM dot org |
| 14:34.08 | mickeyl | right |
| 14:34.14 | mickeyl | i setup a new server on 24th |
| 14:34.16 | mickeyl | .) |
| 14:34.19 | Field | Hirvinen, a little question: does the whole flash memory of the device uses JFFS2 -- or is this just the parameter rootfstype=jffs2 for the rootfs ? |
| 14:34.39 | Ghiottone|work | a christmas server ? :) |
| 14:34.43 | mickeyl | hehe, ya |
| 14:34.47 | mickeyl | ah, found it. |
| 14:34.52 | mickeyl | marked as "important" |
| 14:34.56 | mickeyl | along with 30 other mails |
| 14:35.00 | mickeyl | which i didn't have time to process yet |
| 14:35.03 | mickeyl | but i'm on it... |
| 14:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Field: just the GPS |
| 14:35.07 | SpeedEvil | Field: just the FS |
| 14:35.21 | SpeedEvil | Field: the kernel and uboot and ... partitions are not jffs |
| 14:35.31 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: will do! |
| 14:35.43 | mickeyl | you have a pretty long address btw. |
| 14:35.46 | mickeyl | is that common in UK? |
| 14:36.03 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 14:36.05 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl my email address? |
| 14:36.09 | SpeedEvil | It's common in rural areas. |
| 14:36.14 | Ghiottone|work | ah ok |
| 14:36.18 | mickeyl | Ghiottone|work: no, speedevils snail mail :) |
| 14:37.26 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl I think that the ermine developer is about to make an announcement of the port to ARM to the OM community list and say something about gllin too. could it be of interest to anyone? |
| 14:38.02 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: there are no actual street addresses here - the house name - Cottar Acre refers to a _very_ old award. And Knowehead means that it's near a small hill. |
| 14:38.05 | SpeedEvil | (sort-of) |
| 14:38.20 | Field | SpeedEvil: so I wonder why my kernel image has a different size .. "wc -c image.boot" results 10592828 bytes but after uploading the file via dfu-util it looks like the kernel-image has 10993664 bytes. where is my mistake in my head? |
| 14:38.39 | SpeedEvil | Field: does it matter? |
| 14:38.44 | mickeyl | Ghiottone|work: hmm thinking about it... |
| 14:38.51 | mickeyl | does the license allow modifying the binary? |
| 14:38.54 | mickeyl | we have to be careful |
| 14:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Field: dfu-util probably uses different size blocks or something |
| 14:39.20 | Field | SpeedEvil: y because I am searching the mistake my kernel does not want to boot correctly |
| 14:39.30 | SpeedEvil | Field: where did you get this kernel? |
| 14:40.08 | Field | SpeedEvil .. I'm one of those - who want to get okl4 workling.. |
| 14:40.18 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl gllin license you mean? |
| 14:40.22 | mickeyl | yes |
| 14:40.32 | mickeyl | i don't want you to get into trouble |
| 14:40.45 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl that's why I'm talking with you and not posting to the community |
| 14:40.47 | mickeyl | so officially talking about modifying the gllin binary could be a not good idea |
| 14:40.51 | mickeyl | right |
| 14:41.17 | mickeyl | just talking about the announcement |
| 14:41.42 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl without any word about gllin? |
| 14:42.16 | Ghiottone|work | even saying "I did that and it worked" is illegal?? |
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| 14:42.35 | Field | Speedevil: inside qemu it works, so there should be a mistake somewhere in my mtdparts - or the kernel-image itself ... inside qemu I start the kernel with the parameter "-kernel image.boot" .. and this results my console .. like I wish |
| 14:43.09 | SpeedEvil | Field: have you tried a release kernel? |
| 14:43.28 | Field | SpeedEvil: of course this works .. |
| 14:43.46 | Field | SpeedEveil: so I have a functional moko -- if you mean that |
| 14:43.51 | mickeyl | Ghiottone|work: i have no idea actually. i don't get all this legal stuff. i just want to raise the attention that it _could_ have legal impacts. |
| 14:44.27 | SpeedEvil | Field: how are yuou making this kernel? |
| 14:45.38 | XorA | well as long as a P0 developer does the gllin hacking its fine :-D |
| 14:46.17 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl ok. I'll tell him about not to mention gllin in the announce. Do you want his email in case you wanted to contact him directly? |
| 14:46.58 | Field | SpeedEvil: people from okl4 have their own build-system .. I used it and - let me focus the point a bit - inside qemu (neo1973 patched qemu) it works perfekt... I'm confused =) |
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| 14:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Field: I can only say that build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10-neo1973.bin and similar work for me when using mokomakefile |
| 14:47.46 | SpeedEvil | and copying them over to the device |
| 14:48.39 | mickeyl | Ghiottone|work: yes, please, thanks |
| 14:49.19 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl ok. I'm sending you an email with his address to protect his privacy |
| 14:49.59 | mickeyl | right |
| 14:50.07 | NineX | qermit: co? |
| 14:50.37 | qermit | NineX: szukalem polskich ludzi na tym kanale |
| 14:50.58 | NineX | qermit: english |
| 14:51.09 | NineX | qermit: hrw |
| 14:51.55 | Field | SpeedEvil: y this works - but my goal is to get a more secure kernel onto to moko..virtualization and so on.. we had this subject a couple of month ago inside this channel. ok .. so I continue serching the mistake and try to believe dfu-util it transfers my kernel correctly =) |
| 14:52.26 | SpeedEvil | you can use dd to write your kernel live onto the right partition I think |
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| 14:53.51 | Field | SpeedEvil: hm - never used it to transfer the kernel .. maybe I'll check this .. thanks anyway |
| 14:54.09 | hrw | qermit: there are few |
| 14:55.18 | qermit | :> <- hrw |
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| 14:57.50 | Ghiottone|work | mickeyl I just sent you the developer's email. |
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| 14:58.40 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 14:58.45 | mickeyl | got it |
| 14:59.28 | hrw | qermit: which part of Poland you are from and which neo you have? or any other questions? |
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| 15:01.44 | qermit | hrw: capital | none | how many Poles alredy has neo :P |
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| 15:02.45 | qermit | hrw: and othre - how many wants GTA02 |
| 15:03.26 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 is not available now. |
| 15:03.33 | hrw | qermit: hard to tell how many have gta01 and how many wants gta02 |
| 15:03.40 | SpeedEvil | Maybe march at the earliest for buying |
| 15:03.51 | hrw | SpeedEvil: but it is available to wanting (not buying/getting) |
| 15:03.52 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: I still hear people like balrog-kun talking about their '02 ;-) |
| 15:04.23 | hrw | wurp2: balrog-kun is developer doing work for OpenMoko company |
| 15:05.07 | wurp2 | hrw: Yeah, but my point was I personally never have any idea anyone's position in these forums |
| 15:05.11 | Field | by the way this "mini-projector" would be a very nice gimmick for our neo .. (said in one of the community posts) |
| 15:05.16 | wurp2 | So the question still seems legit |
| 15:05.22 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - if it's available. |
| 15:05.36 | SpeedEvil | I assume it's patented, so it'll be utterly under the control of one company |
| 15:05.52 | SpeedEvil | and vulnerable to nokia for example buying sole rights |
| 15:06.04 | hrw | qermit: for example I have 2 gta01 and want to have gta02. but will I use it as phone? |
| 15:06.08 | Field | we need some more features - people want to buy the neo .. "open" is not a argument for the public. ... |
| 15:06.17 | Field | sadly |
| 15:06.26 | SpeedEvil | Field: we do not need more features |
| 15:06.34 | wurp2 | No, so I don't expect it to do well with the public early on |
| 15:06.39 | SpeedEvil | Field: we need more software and cheaper hardware. |
| 15:06.59 | SpeedEvil | $450 is a very high price for the current hardware in 3-6 months |
| 15:07.07 | wurp2 | but open == many cool new applications, which in the longer run will mean something to the public |
| 15:07.17 | SpeedEvil | Comapred simply hardware feature-hardware feature |
| 15:07.20 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 15:07.24 | Field | SpeedEvil: cheaper hardware - thats right. .. but if many peoply buy it - its getting cheaper and cheaper |
| 15:07.48 | SpeedEvil | But to get to that point, you have to get equivalent software in all areas to your average $450 PDA. |
| 15:07.59 | SpeedEvil | And well, |
| 15:08.00 | Field | y |
| 15:08.22 | qermit | hrw: why not, i'm looking for crazy people who wants buy 02 (shipping costs) |
| 15:08.27 | linuxxr | compitition |
| 15:09.40 | linuxxr | a lot of developers are getting into the openess |
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| 15:10.05 | linuxxr | for instance "bug labs |
| 15:10.35 | hrw | qermit: gta02 will be available from Europe rather |
| 15:11.15 | Field | SpeedEvil: I think if more people try to complete one of those "public" navigation-maps .. this would help the whole project immense. of course (like you or someone else said some days before) basic phone-functions are essential.. |
| 15:11.18 | hrw | qermit: so no costs nearly |
| 15:11.24 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3812 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/atheros_2_0_function.patch: ar6k-atheros-2.0: more useless makefile removal. |
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| 15:13.04 | RedDog | sometimes neo drops only 20mA in suspend ... with full battery this leads to 2,5days runtime! ;-) |
| 15:13.37 | linuxxr | yay |
| 15:13.38 | Field | SpeedEvil: wake up the public-interest .. my experience is - only "open-source-interested"-peoply even heard about neo .. noone else. Bigger success needs more publicity. .. |
| 15:13.46 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Bigger success means qualifying for mobile phone store buyers to buy your phone. |
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| 15:14.24 | Field | true |
| 15:14.33 | linuxxr | we dont wat that |
| 15:14.43 | SpeedEvil | We _really_ want people that could not care that it has linux on it. |
| 15:15.36 | SpeedEvil | The ideal case is that every phone gets sold with openmoko on it. |
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| 15:15.47 | Field | linuxxr: you dont want ppl to buy your phone? .. |
| 15:17.31 | Field | well - anyway .. got to go back to my problem.. nice talking |
| 15:18.24 | RedDog | what power consumption has gsm modem in standby mode? |
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| 15:19.06 | qermit | hrw: so i'll open polish shop on ebay :P |
| 15:19.17 | qermit | :E |
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| 15:23.11 | RedDog | now it takes 80mA :-( |
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| 15:36.41 | ciazzz | hi |
| 15:36.42 | ciazzz | does anyone know a channel where one speaks about ns2 or systemC? |
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| 15:44.04 | Field | ciazzz: no - sry |
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| 16:01.11 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:05.47 | tushyd | what are the chances of me using openmoko on a non-phone pda like my Dell Axim x51v? |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3813 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (atheros_2_0_function.patch atheros_2_0_hcd.patch): |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-1 | openmoko: ar6k-atheros-2.0: First gigabytes xfered on a 2.0 ar6k driver. |
| 16:06.52 | CIA-1 | openmoko: IRQs were turned off for too long. |
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| 16:13.04 | summatusmentis | tushyd: if you can run linux on your Axim x51v, you can probably run OM on it. Otherwise, get linux running on it, and then you can run OM on it :-D |
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| 16:15.25 | tushyd | ok, i think linux development is pretty stagnant on it |
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| 16:21.44 | hrw | tushyd: like with many other linux ports for pocketpc devices |
| 16:22.41 | tushyd | yeah, sadly |
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| 17:28.51 | ruimoreira | one question ppl can i surf the internet with gprs on neo ' |
| 17:28.52 | ruimoreira | ? |
| 17:28.58 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:29.02 | SpeedEvil | I've done it. |
| 17:29.06 | ruimoreira | :) |
| 17:29.21 | ruimoreira | hum.... getting interresting ;) |
| 17:29.33 | ruimoreira | SpeedEvil: is it hard ? |
| 17:30.03 | SpeedEvil | look on 'manually using gprs' on the wiki |
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| 17:34.11 | wurp2 | OK, from a gsm-for-dummies level, what is the difference between gprs and EDGE? |
| 17:34.25 | wurp2 | I know EDGE is AT&T specific, or I think I know that anyway ;-) |
| 17:34.26 | thseiler | wurp2: speed |
| 17:34.35 | wurp2 | thx |
| 17:34.42 | LarstiQ | wurp2: it's not AT&T specific |
| 17:34.47 | anrp | edge is an international standard |
| 17:34.52 | wurp2 | ah, thx |
| 17:34.53 | anrp | its a bolt up upgrade for gprs |
| 17:35.01 | maito | I can get up to 30kb/s with EDGE (saunalahti) |
| 17:35.02 | wurp2 | I had only heard of it in association with AT&T in the US |
| 17:35.10 | anrp | i used it in europe last week so :o |
| 17:35.14 | wurp2 | maito: wow |
| 17:37.19 | wurp2 | I have only started paying attention to mobile protocols since getting my neo (and obviously not too much, even then) |
| 17:37.38 | wurp2 | So I thought lack of 3G on neo meant no internet w/o some serious hacking |
| 17:38.04 | wurp2 | i.e. emulating some kind of modem to a custom asterisk box or something similarly ludicrous |
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| 17:39.10 | thseiler | wurp2: no, it just means that is is using GPRS which is a bit slower compared to 3G. |
| 17:39.33 | maito | not just bit, a lot. |
| 17:39.40 | LarstiQ | maito: slightly ;) |
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| 17:41.00 | maito | yees... well.. I forgot the numbers ;) |
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| 17:44.53 | thseiler | i have an understanding question: I try to build openmoko-terminal2. For some reason, it tries to download revision 3542 from svn, which fails. (Unable to find repository location for 'http://...' in revision 3542. a fresh checkout from the same repository works fine and gives revision 3813. I opened openmoko-terminal2.bb to update the revsion, but *surprise* no revisions in there. Where does this 3542 come from ? |
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| 17:47.59 | RedDog | thseiler: openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc ? |
| 17:48.30 | ruimoreira | anyone here from portugal ? |
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| 17:48.45 | thseiler | RedDog: thanks a lot! |
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| 18:26.07 | torpor | hello! |
| 18:26.10 | torpor | wassup? |
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| 18:59.37 | mjr | re power management discussion on the list; to what extent is it now considered to be a hardware issue on gta01? I mean, is it as much as "really can't suspend SoC without losing GSM, thus having to keep SoC powered all the time" grade, ie. essentially no standby and at least daily recharges, or is it just "we can get suspend but for various other reasons it'll be quite a hog" grade with perhaps a couple of days standby? |
| 19:00.13 | mjr | (I knew what I was buying so I shan't be complaining, I just want to get the lowdown on it) |
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| 19:01.53 | mjr | just that if it'll be really bad, I might have to get two GTA02's (if 01 won't really be suitable for wife :) |
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| 19:04.02 | torpor | i'm gonna keep my gta01 but get swap-to-disk working on it .. |
| 19:04.27 | mjr | I'm gonna keep mine too nevertheless |
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| 19:05.00 | mjr | if the pm is really, really broken at least I can make it a small embedded box... |
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| 19:07.33 | bedboi | mjr: i didn't know the pm stuff was a so serious issue |
| 19:07.40 | bedboi | i thought the hw was ok |
| 19:07.58 | SpeedEvil | It is mostly |
| 19:08.02 | SpeedEvil | there are a couple of issues |
| 19:08.07 | roh | mjr asfar as i understand it the hardware on gta01 is ok, its just firmware issues. this means pm on the app cpu and eventually a gsm firmware update |
| 19:08.08 | SpeedEvil | can't wake on bluetooth |
| 19:08.14 | mjr | okay, thanks, 'cause that was what I was asking |
| 19:08.22 | mjr | the discussion on the list seemed to imply more serious issues |
| 19:08.23 | roh | SpeedEvil well.. what should that be good for? |
| 19:08.45 | roh | SpeedEvil leaving bt on in connectable state would take way too much power anyways. |
| 19:08.48 | LarstiQ | roh: bluetooth keyboard/headset? |
| 19:09.05 | SpeedEvil | roh: phone in pocket, I can make a call pressing the button on the headset (bluetooth) rather than pulling phone out of pocket |
| 19:09.40 | SpeedEvil | And bluetooth suspend power is _much_ _much_ lower than actively waiting for bluetooth connections |
| 19:09.45 | roh | that does not change the amount the bt would take while on |
| 19:09.54 | SpeedEvil | which is several milliamps |
| 19:10.02 | SpeedEvil | it's less than the GSM |
| 19:10.05 | roh | atleast i know of no mode to get the csr take less |
| 19:10.30 | SpeedEvil | The issue iosn't the CSR - it's that the processor has to be on talking USB to do it. |
| 19:10.45 | roh | the csr4 which is in there is the same as on regular notebooks, so when oyu find out how to get that take less power.. tell me |
| 19:11.03 | roh | SpeedEvil i know. but there is no choice when you want serious datarates |
| 19:11.15 | roh | serial or spi? no thanks |
| 19:11.24 | SpeedEvil | roh: 'wake up, I've pressed a button' is not a serious datarate |
| 19:12.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it (this is second hand) in principle there are extra lines from the bluetooth module that are not brought onto the motherboard through the panel connector. |
| 19:12.21 | torpor | whats up with svn.berlios.de? anyone know? |
| 19:12.25 | torpor | my make update don't work .. |
| 19:12.49 | SpeedEvil | if they were, and were able to be connected to wake-enabled lines, the CSR supports waking the CPU that way,. |
| 19:13.21 | roh | SpeedEvil afaik all the gpio on the bt module are used for wireless interoperabilite with wifi |
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| 19:14.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm going by what (IIRC) writchie said - who seemed to have a clue on the CSR wiring. I've not looked at it myself. |
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| 19:19.29 | roh | uhm.. hm.. there are 4 gpios on the csr |
| 19:19.36 | roh | 2 go to the wifi, 2 to the app cpu.. |
| 19:20.44 | SpeedEvil | torpor: I've had it swapping to SD - works fine |
| 19:23.35 | anrp | swapping to flash ... |
| 19:23.44 | SpeedEvil | Works fine. |
| 19:23.50 | SpeedEvil | Assuming wear leveling. |
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| 19:57.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1175 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 19:57.02 | cdbot2 | * * Automatic ipkg kernel upgrade needs stricter sanity check |
| 19:57.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1175 |
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| 20:03.52 | zeth | Hi has anyone used the browser in openmoko? |
| 20:04.34 | zeth | If do you have an idea what is usable area of the screen browser window? |
| 20:04.42 | SpeedEvil | briefly |
| 20:04.55 | SpeedEvil | 400*500? |
| 20:07.02 | zeth | that would sound about right if the whole screen is 480x640 |
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| 20:10.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1176 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 20:10.02 | cdbot2 | * * Truncated u-boot printout of kernel version string |
| 20:10.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1176 |
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| 23:18.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1177 has been created by andrew.paulsen(AT)packetdigital.com |
| 23:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * '-e command' support for virtual terminal |
| 23:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1177 |
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