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| 06:46.57 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:47.05 | CM | :) |
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| 07:09.31 | CVirus | Good Morning people |
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| 07:33.20 | alphanet | ScaredyCat: hello, could you tell me what dd command you used to save e.g. the splash screen which is /dev/mtdblock3 here? because here if I save it I get only zeroes. I have updated the Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen for my yesterday's issue which is now fixed, thank you. |
| 07:34.28 | CM | alphanet: I'm just guessing here, but probably he used dd if=/dev/mtdblock3 of=spl.raw or similar |
| 07:34.46 | CM | Didn't that work? |
| 07:35.43 | alphanet | CM: let's try. |
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| 07:39.25 | alphanet | CM: another question if you don't mind. I have used the date -s and hwclock --to-.. as in the Wiki, however at next boot it's still 2000, did you also experiment this? |
| 07:39.45 | CM | alphanet: Nope, haven't played around with that yet |
| 07:39.55 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:40.28 | CM | Interesting: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5024332766.html |
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| 07:48.45 | CVirus | indeed |
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| 07:51.27 | alphanet | CM: think I have found the problem: it only works sort-of when I save the file locally and not transfer it with netcat at the same time. |
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| 07:52.01 | CVirus | gtg |
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| 07:58.43 | CM | alphanet: Ah, ok. I only tried locally, then scp:ed the file |
| 08:01.09 | alphanet | CM: there must be a bad interaction with I/O size or something in the pipe |
| 08:01.59 | alphanet | CM: I wanted a reliable backup before starting to change the rootfs or the kernel |
| 08:02.05 | alphanet | CM: looks much better now |
| 08:03.08 | CM | alphanet: Good thinking I managed to mess up my uboot_env and still haven't gotten around to fix it |
| 08:03.57 | alphanet | CM: normally it's also a flash partition, want mine? |
| 08:04.28 | CM | alphanet: No, I've already tried with ScaredyCat's. Unfortunately, each uboot_env is unique |
| 08:04.41 | CM | It has the bad block table and partition offsets |
| 08:04.50 | CM | It can be rebuilt though |
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| 09:55.11 | Ghiottone|work | mornin |
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| 10:04.13 | ruxpin | is there a status page which lists all features and their current working condition? |
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| 10:17.26 | CM | ruxpin: Unfortunately not yet |
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| 10:46.30 | ruxpin | is the deadline still December? |
| 10:47.22 | abraxa_ | ruxpin: Unconfirmed |
| 10:47.23 | ruxpin | we ordered a couple phones, I'm hoping to get to play with them in November :) |
| 10:47.44 | ruxpin | great if most features would be working then |
| 10:48.12 | abraxa_ | That seems likely for the basic functions, given the current rate of progress |
| 10:48.51 | ruxpin | yay |
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| 10:54.25 | zash | s/o/a |
| 10:54.49 | zash | the battery in my phone sux |
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| 12:14.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 968 has been created by emreturkay(AT)gmail.com |
| 12:14.01 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-today taskmanager toolbar icon |
| 12:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=968 |
| 12:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 969 has been created by emreturkay(AT)gmail.com |
| 12:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-today taskmanager application icons |
| 12:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=969 |
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| 12:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 970 has been created by ebbe(AT)skummer.com |
| 12:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * Keyboard opens and closes in a loop |
| 12:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=970 |
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| 13:06.07 | PBeck | hio |
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| 13:14.50 | Tetraden | hello |
| 13:15.48 | Tetraden | did I miss something or is there still only the developer preview version of the Neo1973 available? |
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| 13:17.27 | _buz | Tetraden: you didnt miss anything, that's still the case |
| 13:17.37 | JohnMahowald | GTA01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 13:19.04 | Tetraden | a pity :/ |
| 13:20.59 | Tetraden | why isn't there a newsletter for this type of information? obviously i didn't find one. |
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| 13:23.49 | JohnMahowald | Tetraden: How about the announce list? |
| 13:25.46 | Tetraden | i still subscribed this list, but there was no mail for months |
| 13:27.42 | Tetraden | -still +already |
| 13:28.57 | CM | Tetraden: I agree, been too quiet on that list |
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| 13:33.24 | Tetraden | the last announcement is from July, 1st 2007 |
| 13:37.10 | CM | Was one in august, and then a mail in sept too |
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| 13:43.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3310 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (57 files in 5 dirs): |
| 13:43.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 13:43.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/*: |
| 13:43.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Begin seperation of dialer and phone management |
| 13:44.33 | thos | i.e. don't use a dialer newer than r3306 |
| 13:45.39 | LarstiQ | thos: noted :) |
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| 13:47.42 | CM | thos: Is it a little PhoneKit I spot growing there? ;) |
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| 13:48.33 | fatal- | thos: btw, I have something to show you |
| 13:48.45 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 13:49.07 | fatal- | but, I'm waiting for one guy to respond me one thing first... and I've been waiting that for half an day :/ |
| 13:49.31 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-: dbus thingy? |
| 13:49.35 | fatal- | yes |
| 13:49.45 | Sup3rkiddo | cool, show me..=D |
| 13:51.57 | fatal- | grrr. where the heck has everybody gone today. I can't get response for any of my stuff today, it seems to be. talking about our organization here, not anything related to you :) |
| 13:52.19 | Sup3rkiddo | bah |
| 13:52.31 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart fatal- |
| 13:52.31 | apt | holds fatal- to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 13:55.06 | Sup3rkiddo | by the way, phonesim is quite ocol |
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| 13:57.02 | yoyo | hi all |
| 13:57.11 | Sup3rkiddo | hi |
| 13:57.47 | CM | yoyo: Hey there :) |
| 13:58.00 | yoyo | :) |
| 14:03.46 | _buz | community update |
| 14:03.53 | _buz | but only organizational stuff |
| 14:04.26 | _buz | and especially no info on GTA02 |
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| 14:08.06 | Ghiottone|work | ping roh |
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| 14:32.31 | mwester | G'morning |
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| 14:40.04 | Sup3rkiddo | morning |
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| 14:43.31 | Ghiottone|work | ping CM |
| 14:45.30 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Hey :) |
| 14:46.57 | Ghiottone|work | CM: hola. I just realized that you are the one who submitted for contribution for the search engine |
| 14:47.12 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Hehe, sure, a long time ago |
| 14:47.36 | Ghiottone|work | CM: eheheh when did you do the request? |
| 14:47.40 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Never mind that, I just thought of adding some blogs or so, but I think you have all of them already |
| 14:48.16 | Ghiottone|work | CM: pity that google doesn't have an email notification for it |
| 14:48.32 | CM | When I added the link to it in the wiki |
| 14:48.33 | Ghiottone|work | CM: you could have asked me directly and I would have promptly accepted |
| 14:48.56 | CM | Ghiottone|work: No problem, I assumed you just didn't see it |
| 14:49.23 | Ghiottone|work | CM: sorry for that. I have not put any blog entries as I did not even think of it. you are very welcome to mess with the search engine |
| 14:49.27 | CM | Agree that it's strange that you don't get a notification (Had some contributors to my gentoo search) |
| 14:50.55 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Some, like thos' an cwiiis blogs might be useful to add since they're not on the planet.om |
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| 14:53.40 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Hmm.. I'm listed as a contributor, but I can't edit anything |
| 14:54.12 | CM | Thanks for the mail btw :) |
| 14:57.34 | Ghiottone|work | CM: np :) try adding sometinge instead of editing? |
| 14:58.01 | CM | I can't even get "in" to add anything and it's not listed in my coop page |
| 14:58.33 | CM | Ah.. Now.. |
| 15:00.05 | Ghiottone|work | CM: is it working? |
| 15:00.09 | CM | Yes |
| 15:00.14 | Ghiottone|work | CM: good |
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| 15:02.04 | zash | crap, the 3G has gone from my 3G-modem :( |
| 15:02.21 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I can't add labels though, but I guess that's ok :) |
| 15:02.26 | nelson | sorry. Do you want it back? |
| 15:02.32 | zash | yay for 53Kbps |
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| 15:11.08 | yoyo | I must go sii ja |
| 15:14.03 | univac | w 16 |
| 15:15.43 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I can add it for you, I suppose. Are you able to assing an existing label to your sites? |
| 15:16.10 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Yes. That is if you want a lable like that. :) |
| 15:16.27 | CM | Could be added to the planet.openmoko.org url too |
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| 15:18.32 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I think it fits very well. BLOG label? or another name? |
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| 15:19.28 | CM | Blog is good :) |
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| 15:23.59 | Ghiottone|work | CM: done |
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| 15:24.44 | Ghiottone|work | CM: Add your own blog too |
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| 15:27.48 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Heh, true. And then I'll better start writing some good articles too ;) |
| 15:28.18 | Ghiottone|work | CM: ehehe |
| 15:28.35 | shred | hi |
| 15:29.02 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I have been having some problems with the wiki lately. it seems that the engine don't include all the pages. |
| 15:29.15 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Oh, weird |
| 15:29.36 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I tried adding the special pages that link all the pages but with no luck. any idea or past experience? |
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| 15:30.45 | CM | Hmm.. No, but I'll look around |
| 15:31.16 | shred | how do i setup my openmoko to access internet thru my pc? nameserver is setup in resolv.config. what else to do? |
| 15:31.45 | CM | shred: Did you follow the wiki instructions to have ip forwarding enabled on your pc? |
| 15:31.56 | shred | yes i did |
| 15:32.16 | abraxa_ | shred: http://pastebin.com/m79548d3d |
| 15:32.18 | Ghiottone|work | shred: the file is named resolv.conf |
| 15:32.44 | abraxa_ | shred: $INET_IFACE obviously being something like eth0 |
| 15:33.00 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Good catch :) (I've managed to name it resolve.conf once, took ages to figure that one out) |
| 15:33.03 | shred | i got resolv.conf . resolv.config was a typo ...sorry |
| 15:33.47 | shred | i added a route on my pc but i cannot access anything from my neo |
| 15:34.18 | CM | shred: But pinging 192.168.0.200 works or? |
| 15:35.15 | shred | nope doesnt |
| 15:36.07 | CM | Hmm.. What does ifconfig say? |
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| 15:36.26 | CM | On the neo (pastebin it) |
| 15:36.35 | shred | @CM: "not found" |
| 15:37.28 | CM | weird |
| 15:37.54 | abraxa_ | shred: Are you sure you are logged in to the Neo? |
| 15:38.06 | abraxa_ | What's the shell prompt? |
| 15:38.16 | Ghiottone|work | shred: try unplugging and reinserting the usb cable |
| 15:38.33 | shred | im using the shell on openmoko |
| 15:38.48 | shred | ...directly on the phone display |
| 15:39.27 | abraxa_ | Ah. When you type "ifconfig" there it *must* work however |
| 15:39.43 | shred | now it works ...hmm |
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| 15:42.13 | abraxa_ | shred: When you do "lsusb" on the host, does it show the Neo? (it's just the ID, no name) |
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| 15:43.22 | cb30 | heh, anyone else find it funny that a guy called steve is now head of marketing? |
| 15:43.33 | cb30 | blame userfriendly :) |
| 15:44.00 | abraxa_ | heh |
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| 15:49.33 | abraxa_ | ...and I only had it unplugged for a night, too :( |
| 15:50.14 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa_: I learned to unplug the battery for 10 seconds before going to bed |
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| 15:50.47 | abraxa_ | Hiho LaF0rge :) |
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| 15:50.55 | woglinde | hi laforge |
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| 15:51.11 | abraxa_ | Ghiottone|work: That's why I don't usually take it off its life line ;) |
| 15:51.24 | abraxa_ | I guess I simply forgot |
| 15:51.33 | don_ | hi all |
| 15:51.39 | abraxa_ | Heya don |
| 15:51.49 | don_ | I'm popping in to see how development is coming. |
| 15:51.59 | don_ | I can't wait for this phone! |
| 15:52.10 | abraxa_ | We all can't :) |
| 15:52.26 | don_ | do you have one abraxa? |
| 15:52.35 | don_ | you a developer? |
| 15:53.44 | abraxa_ | Do I win a prize if I say "yes" to both or do I get beatings because the phone is still not released? |
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| 15:54.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3311 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/Makefile.am src/phone-kit/Makefile.am): |
| 15:54.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/dialer/Makefile.am: |
| 15:54.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/Makefile.am: |
| 15:54.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Add missing Makefile.am files to repository |
| 15:54.18 | don_ | You can buy it off the site can't you? |
| 15:54.47 | don_ | If your willing to take a phone that doesn't work yet. |
| 15:55.08 | viq_ | don_: not the GTA02 I believe |
| 15:55.21 | abraxa_ | Yeah, was refering to GTA02 |
| 15:56.16 | don_ | Yes I know that, I was hoping to run into some developers here that could me some inside info. |
| 15:56.29 | abraxa_ | Inside info? |
| 15:56.46 | don_ | Is it really going to be released in December? |
| 15:56.49 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3312 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: Added to repository |
| 15:57.17 | don_ | Since it was pushed back from October to November and now December. |
| 15:57.30 | don_ | the web site isn't to encouraging |
| 15:57.44 | don_ | "DO NOT expect to be able to use it as an everyday phone until December 2007 at the soonest, and probably later." |
| 15:57.49 | abraxa_ | Well, any date is unconfirmed as of now |
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| 15:58.10 | abraxa_ | They need to figure out what to do themselves |
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| 15:58.30 | don_ | what do you mean abraxa? |
| 15:59.16 | abraxa_ | I mean that they set a new course and need to figure out how to go about things themselves |
| 15:59.17 | CM | We haven't heard anything from official OpenMoko sources about what is going on at the factory |
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| 15:59.24 | CM | either |
| 15:59.58 | don_ | I hate bugging you guys but what "new course" |
| 16:00.07 | don_ | I would hate this to be vaporware |
| 16:00.20 | CM | It will be produced |
| 16:00.38 | abraxa_ | don_: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/blog/ |
| 16:00.40 | CM | Also they have enough money to make more devices too, even if GTA02 isn't a success |
| 16:02.05 | don_ | I am going to have to read that blog |
| 16:02.28 | abraxa_ | don_: It's aggregated on planet.openmoko.org among others |
| 16:02.49 | don_ | I have seen some of the entries |
| 16:05.49 | gamin | it is still strange that they weren't able in 11 month to come up with a EULA for the gllin |
| 16:06.47 | don_ | is that another hold up? The damn lawyers? |
| 16:06.50 | XXLT | hi, does anybody have an example of the gps output? |
| 16:07.22 | gamin | can't be more than 10.000$ for a lawyer to come up with a EULA... I guess everyone who bought already a phone had happily paid $2 more... |
| 16:07.36 | gamin | XXLT: it will be NMEA |
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| 16:08.45 | XXLT | gamin: thanks, let me take a look ... |
| 16:08.48 | gamin | that is if there will ever be a gllin released - the binary for the GPS chip |
| 16:10.02 | abraxa_ | gamin: It will be released, just that the owners of gllin's IP rights were/are being... let's just say stubborn |
| 16:10.40 | mwester | That would be broadcom, which clarifies the situation for anyone who has followed broadcom's activities as it relates to opensource. |
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| 16:13.55 | gamin | the EULA is now an OpenMoko thing and no longer a broadcom thing - they have the go from broadcom. People have spend $1.000.000+ for the 3000 phones in order to support FIC. |
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| 16:14.27 | gamin | If FIC hadn't yet sold the phones they would get a EULA within an afternoon |
| 16:14.39 | gamin | if that would be the blocker |
| 16:14.40 | don_ | What network will this phone run on? |
| 16:14.51 | gamin | don_: any GSM |
| 16:15.06 | Mek | 850 is not GSM? |
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| 16:15.46 | don_ | So I should be able to use this on Verizon. |
| 16:16.07 | don_ | Just go in and buy a sim? Or use the sim out of my current phone? |
| 16:16.09 | mwester | gamin: all possibly true. We don't know when FIC got the go-ahead from Broadcom, though. So the delay is not all due to FIC. But you are correct in that there is no real business reason any longer for FIC to bother with the gllin binary. I've said before that if one is released, it will be due to corporate charity, not business necessity. |
| 16:16.26 | mwester | don_: I don't think verizon is GSM. |
| 16:16.32 | don_ | rrrrrrrrrr |
| 16:16.47 | paulproteus | don_, Verizon is CDMA/EVIL. |
| 16:17.06 | don_ | oooh thats a killer |
| 16:17.24 | don_ | I am in a pretty rural area and Verizon has the best coverage |
| 16:17.32 | SpeedEvil | mwester: not screwing over developers. Screw over developers, where you hope for them to help write your software... |
| 16:17.56 | paulproteus | SpeedEvil, I think he means business reason from Bcm. |
| 16:18.14 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 16:18.16 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 16:18.19 | mwester | Mek: No, 850 is not entirely GSM, and it is only GSM in north america. We are assuming that the GTA02 will do 850 and be a full quad-band phone; there is some hope that an upcoming firmware update may address the 850 problem with the GTA01, but FIC has not confirmed this. |
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| 16:19.36 | gamin | anybody here having the gllin binary btw? |
| 16:20.06 | mwester | SpeedEvil: There are some at Openmoko who clearly understand the value of keeping the trust of the developer community by releasing the gllin binary. But the evidence available suggests to me that not everyone at FIC/Openmoko feels this way. |
| 16:20.33 | SpeedEvil | mwester: Probably |
| 16:20.50 | gamin | mwester: that is very much what I think too |
| 16:21.05 | anrp | gllin :o |
| 16:21.39 | don_ | so if it is a quad based phone then it should work with any provider in any country... correct? |
| 16:21.50 | mwester | don_: any GSM provider. |
| 16:21.59 | abraxa__ | Sounds like Harald's holidays ended not so nice. |
| 16:22.30 | mwester | Heh - I took his quit message to indicate that he doesn't want to hear what the community is thinking any longer. |
| 16:22.47 | CM | *nod* They are usually negative |
| 16:23.00 | CM | (The quit messages) |
| 16:23.03 | abraxa__ | mwester: Keep in mind that might've been in response to something on #om-devel, too. |
| 16:23.42 | mwester | He's a huge proponent of open-source, so I suspect that he's battled the closed firmware and closed gllin driver issue internally until he's totally fed up with it, and the lawyers. |
| 16:24.10 | abraxa__ | I bet. |
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| 16:24.27 | don_ | according to mwebster it will be a quad based |
| 16:25.24 | mwester | It seems clear that FIC and Openmoko employees are sworn to secrecy on certain issues, but it sure would put a lot of concerns to rest if someone would lay out a timeline with dates for both firmware upgrade and gllin, and confirm exactly what the GSM firmware upgrade wil fix and will not fix... :( |
| 16:25.47 | anrp | bugs? |
| 16:25.49 | anrp | in MY hardware? |
| 16:25.53 | anrp | unpossible! |
| 16:26.13 | anrp | that might actually be a big reason on the secrecy though |
| 16:26.18 | _buz | not releasing gllin would be f***** stupid |
| 16:26.19 | anrp | not wanting to admit fault |
| 16:26.33 | _buz | unless, of course, the hardware itself doesnt really work |
| 16:26.34 | anrp | but releasing it as oss would run afoul of ITAR |
| 16:27.00 | mwester | anrp: That's an interesting angle (admitting fault) - I understand that in some cultures that's a *huge* problem (compared to others) |
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| 16:28.02 | anrp | no 850 and no GPS is kind of lame though |
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| 16:28.10 | anrp | 850 is most of at&t/cingular |
| 16:28.15 | anrp | t-mobile is 1900 |
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| 16:28.52 | anrp | 850 has better propagation though |
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| 16:29.52 | mwester | Yep. So you'll find the higher frequencies used in the dense urban areas, where the coverage constraints are actually a *good* thing (keeps cells from interfering with one another so much). |
| 16:30.11 | mwester | Unfortunately, everything outside of such areas is mostly 850 in North America. |
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| 16:30.25 | anrp | nod |
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| 16:30.48 | anrp | or AMPS |
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| 16:30.50 | anrp | but that's on its way out |
| 16:31.03 | mwester | ... of course, if the carriers in N.A. had just gone with 900MHz like the rest of the world, this wouldn't be an issue... |
| 16:31.21 | anrp | the US allocated 900 to ISM, it wasn't possible |
| 16:31.35 | guaqua | what's ISM? |
| 16:31.36 | anrp | 846-85x is ISM in europe |
| 16:31.44 | anrp | 2.4GHz is ISM (industrial scientific and medical) |
| 16:31.49 | anrp | ISM = license free band |
| 16:31.55 | guaqua | interesting |
| 16:32.02 | anrp | 5.4GHz is also ISM |
| 16:32.08 | anrp | er 5.8 |
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| 16:32.43 | anrp | not sure whats at 1800 |
| 16:32.44 | don_ | So if I can't get t-mobile I can't get the openmoto? |
| 16:33.00 | anrp | you still can, no guarentees it'll work though :P |
| 16:33.23 | anrp | gta02 will Most Likely Work(tm) |
| 16:33.32 | anrp | 01 is ... iffy, at best |
| 16:33.55 | abraxa_ | don_: Not to be a PITA but OpenMoko is the software, the Neo1973 is the hardware ;) |
| 16:34.26 | anrp | theres the mystery hxrd(?) in the pipeline |
| 16:34.35 | anrp | i kind of wish there was a better looking phone to develop for |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3313 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/worldclock-main.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Remove libnotify dependency |
| 16:34.36 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (zoom_map), (settings_clicked_cb), |
| 16:34.37 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (map_button_press_event_cb), (main): |
| 16:34.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Add a digital clock option to the settings dialog, put the world map in |
| 16:34.42 | abraxa_ | The HXD8 is not a phone, though |
| 16:34.45 | anrp | ... at least you don't have to get orange |
| 16:34.58 | don_ | OK, I stand corrected. |
| 16:35.06 | anrp | well, I guess the plentiful details that have been supplied about it didn't metion that |
| 16:35.07 | _buz | abraxa_: do we really know it isnt? |
| 16:35.09 | anrp | :p |
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| 16:35.47 | don_ | but is my statement correct? No T-Mobile no Neo1973 |
| 16:35.48 | gamin | mwester, what is a reason that soem people in FIC / Openmoko don't want to release the gllin binary? |
| 16:35.51 | abraxa_ | _buz: Yeah, either roh, mickey or Sean confirmed it - I forgot who and where |
| 16:36.21 | abraxa_ | don_: T-Mobile or AT&T, yup (for you North American peeps anyway) |
| 16:36.36 | anrp | er |
| 16:36.40 | anrp | at&t = cingular |
| 16:36.59 | don_ | So looks like my dream of having this phone have been dashed. |
| 16:37.06 | anrp | until december, at least |
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| 16:37.17 | anrp | i'd be very surprised if gta02 didn't do quad |
| 16:37.20 | mwester | gamin: It costs money to say "Hello" to a lawyer. |
| 16:37.41 | don_ | anrp are you commenting on me |
| 16:37.47 | Mek | some time ago I believe it was said that the legal issues had been worked out... |
| 16:37.48 | anrp | ya |
| 16:37.50 | don_ | quad would work on all networks correct? |
| 16:37.53 | anrp | yes |
| 16:38.03 | anrp | well, except japan, but they don't do 2g gsm anyway so :p |
| 16:38.19 | gamin | mwester - I had paid 20$ more to get the gps running... and I'm most likely not the only one |
| 16:38.29 | anrp | paid? |
| 16:38.39 | mwester | Mek: yep, the issues with Broadcom. Now, apparently, we all wait for a blood-sucking lawyer to write up an EULA. |
| 16:39.06 | Mek | ah, the issues that the driver just doesn't work with the ABI have been resolved as well than? |
| 16:39.10 | abraxa_ | don_: If by "on all networks" you mean "on all GSM networks" - which excludes Verizon |
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| 16:39.27 | anrp | mm yeah, its gsm only, that's true |
| 16:39.39 | anrp | there are a very limited number of CDMA/GSM phones (although they do exist) |
| 16:39.49 | mwester | Then there's the issue of how we all agree to the EULA -- does this mean that it's a document in the tar file with the driver, or will the lawyer insist on a click-through license scheme to agree to the EULA before the end user can download the gllin binary? |
| 16:39.50 | don_ | quoting mwebster " No, 850 is not entirely GSM, and it is only GSM in north america. We are assuming that the GTA02 will do 850 and be a full quad-band phone; there is some hope that an upcoming firmware update may address the 850 problem with the GTA01, but FIC has not confirmed this." |
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| 16:40.03 | anrp | not entirely gsm? |
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| 16:40.07 | anrp | that's an odd way to put it |
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| 16:40.40 | mwester | There are other services than GSM on 850. It's shared. |
| 16:40.44 | don_ | so abraxa your saying it will not be quad based. while mwebster and anrp says it will be |
| 16:41.15 | anrp | gta01 does not currently support 850MHz |
| 16:41.22 | anrp | gta02 should, but that's not confirmed |
| 16:41.24 | abraxa_ | don_: It will be quad-band indeed, however that means it will support 4 different GSM frequencies - not different network protocols |
| 16:41.28 | anrp | gta01 *may* get an fw update to enable 850 |
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| 16:41.37 | don_ | OH I get it. |
| 16:41.47 | don_ | sorry being such a dumb ass |
| 16:41.47 | abraxa_ | :) |
| 16:41.51 | abraxa_ | No worries |
| 16:42.00 | gamin | and a bit faster GPRS would be nice - i.e. EDGE |
| 16:42.12 | mjr | that's not in the cards |
| 16:42.41 | abraxa_ | Let's wait and see how GTA02 fares first ;) |
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| 16:43.54 | mwester | meh. I'm resigned to what I have. T-Mobile works from my home, I have a Treo for my real phone, and I just bought an external USB GPS receiver. I hope to pleasantly surprised with what my GTA01 may do in the future, but I've learned not to hold my breath when lawyer are involved. Lawyers are the type of people who enjoy watching others turn blue. |
| 16:45.22 | anrp | ooh |
| 16:45.23 | anrp | harsh |
| 16:45.35 | gamin | as you mention USB receiver: does anybody know a source to buy a powered usb hub in europe? |
| 16:50.06 | thomasg | a powered usb hub? I guess every onlinestore should offer such hubs. |
| 16:50.20 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3314 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
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| 16:50.26 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (on_answer_clicked), (on_reject_clicked), |
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| 16:51.38 | gamin | thomasg: a battery powered one, without a need for a 240V outlet... |
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| 16:51.54 | cb30 | gamin, not sure about battery powered |
| 16:52.00 | cb30 | but most take 6 - 12v or so |
| 16:52.07 | cb30 | with just a converter brick |
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| 16:52.27 | thomasg | gamin: oh, ok, batterypowered is not as easy to find :) |
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| 16:53.42 | gamin | There seems only to be Cyberpower CP-H420MP, but I couldn't find any shop that ships to Europe. And then there is a company named Everfast in HongKong, but the sell minimum 2000 units :) |
| 16:54.13 | don_ | I am in tough shape, At&t claims great coverage but most people complain of dropped calls and dead spots |
| 16:54.55 | abraxa_ | don_: Check the user group pages on the wiki, maybe there's someone in your area |
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| 16:56.32 | u_l-lap | don_: at&t is allowed to lie to you, naturally |
| 16:56.47 | thomasg | gamin: http://www.komplett.de/k/ki.aspx?sku=324662 |
| 16:56.58 | thomasg | it's a german shop |
| 16:57.40 | thomasg | it's not the modell you mentioned, but similar |
| 16:58.33 | don_ | T-mobile even on their coverage maps shows no service for my home. |
| 16:59.34 | gamin | thomasg: I saw that shop already and considered to ask them to get the battery powered version |
| 17:00.37 | thomasg | gamin: damn, I thought that would be the battery-powered version :( |
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| 17:01.47 | thomasg | amazon.com doesn't ship to europe, either? |
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| 17:02.08 | gamin | thomasg: nope, not electronics |
| 17:02.23 | LarstiQ | it does with books. |
| 17:04.12 | thomasg | gamin: what you could try is to ask the guys from geekstuff4u.com to take the usb-hub into their assortment |
| 17:04.46 | thomasg | they ship from japan to europe for moderate fees, with a group purchase it should be no prob at all |
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| 17:09.35 | gamin | thomasg: thx, I'll look into it. |
| 17:10.34 | thomasg | gamin: tell me if you know something. I'd be interested, too |
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| 17:12.11 | gamin | thomasg: a pure charger do it yourself is: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ |
| 17:12.43 | gamin | And I found somewhere else a do it yourself usb power-injector |
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| 17:13.08 | don_ | anyone see the video of the new media player? |
| 17:14.22 | don_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BUMhJKlxJA |
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| 17:15.10 | thomasg | gamin: is there a device that doesn't fit in to a penguin-peppermint-box? :) |
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| 17:29.32 | abraxa_ | don_: Haha nice... thanks for the hint |
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| 17:33.13 | fozze | greetings |
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| 17:44.15 | abraxa_ | Time to play with QVGA again... |
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| 17:49.58 | don_ | anyone here got theirs running? |
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| 17:52.41 | abraxa_ | Yeah, always |
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| 17:55.31 | don_ | abraxa hows the reception? Antenna work well? |
| 17:55.53 | abraxa_ | Yeah it does, though I'm not surprised |
| 17:56.00 | abraxa_ | I live in Germany after all :) |
| 17:56.06 | don_ | ahhh |
| 17:56.12 | abraxa_ | We only have GSM here |
| 17:56.45 | don_ | English your first or second language? |
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| 17:57.11 | abraxa_ | Second, like most of the German peeps here |
| 17:57.19 | Stephmw | everyone worldwide is taught english from birth, isn't it?! |
| 17:57.27 | don_ | well you write it very well... I had no idea |
| 17:57.34 | Stephmw | (yes, deliberate mangling of the sentence) |
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| 17:57.47 | don_ | Not us here in the US :) |
| 17:57.50 | abraxa_ | Thanks, don ;) |
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| 18:04.35 | don_ | anyone here in the states have theirs running and give me some idea of reception? |
| 18:06.26 | abraxa_ | don_: Trying to figure out if it'll work for you? |
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| 18:08.27 | don_ | If I use T-Mobile or At&T it will work |
| 18:08.59 | don_ | At&T says they service my area but T-Mobile has zero service |
| 18:09.46 | don_ | AT&T has spotty service so if this phone has great reception I can use it. |
| 18:10.18 | don_ | I was thinking of switching after using the iPhone but I would much rather have an open phone than some crapple product. |
| 18:10.20 | abraxa_ | Yeah, though if you want to be on the safe side you can ask a friend of yours with an AT&T/T-Mobile contract to pass by your place and the area you are roaming around most of the time |
| 18:10.30 | _buz | so HXD8 IS has a phone |
| 18:10.43 | abraxa_ | That's the kind of consumer opinion we need on this planet |
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| 18:12.17 | don_ | absolutely, I use only oss for my computers I would love to use it on my phone tool |
| 18:12.20 | don_ | too. |
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| 18:19.58 | enjahova | i just hope the gta02 is out for christmas :D |
| 18:23.22 | don_ | my birthday is four days before Christmas... I want it then! |
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| 18:30.53 | tushyd | anyone know if you can make voice calls with a GSM modem? |
| 18:32.12 | tushyd | anyone? |
| 18:32.31 | abraxa_ | If you supply audio to the GSM chip, sure |
| 18:33.07 | abraxa_ | I assume you're refering to Thomas' blog entry? |
| 18:33.30 | tushyd | no... well I was thinking of building a handheld computer with those new VIA pic-itx boards |
| 18:33.37 | tushyd | and making it into a cell phone would be nice |
| 18:33.46 | tushyd | pico-itx, sorry |
| 18:34.31 | abraxa_ | Do you have a GSM modem picked out that you want to attach? |
| 18:34.52 | abraxa_ | Cause if you're thinking of a GPRS PCMCIA card or the like then you probably won't have much luck |
| 18:34.58 | tushyd | no, I'm still trying to figure out if it is feasible |
| 18:35.07 | tushyd | ok |
| 18:35.47 | tushyd | thanks for the info |
| 18:36.23 | abraxa_ | Well, you could always hook up a Neo to the board ;) |
| 18:37.20 | pH5 | there are gprs cf cards with analog audio input/output. |
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| 18:39.40 | tushyd | yeah? so would this be using a SIM card or what? |
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| 18:40.41 | mjr | if it's gprs, it's gsm, so it's using a sim |
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| 18:40.53 | thomasgruebler | good evening |
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| 18:41.02 | tushyd | ok... and I would want it to use my voice minutes, not data |
| 18:41.20 | tushyd | is there software out there for calling via GSM modems? |
| 18:41.27 | thomasgruebler | because the image for qemu didn't worked i tried to install the moko makefile. but there is a probem with make setup: |
| 18:41.40 | thomasgruebler | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.40 | thomasgruebler | svn: Kann nicht mit Host »svn.berlios.de« verbinden: Verbindungsaufbau abgelehnt |
| 18:41.48 | mjr | tushyd, umm, sanity check: do you want to transfer data over a GSM voice call |
| 18:42.09 | thomasgruebler | mean: cannot make a connection to svn.berilios.de |
| 18:42.24 | thomasgruebler | but a ping to berilios works |
| 18:42.24 | anrp | you can (its called CSD) but some networks don't allow it |
| 18:42.34 | mjr | anrp, CSD are not voice calls. |
| 18:42.37 | anrp | CSD allows data over voice channel, direct to another mobile or to a landline modem |
| 18:42.47 | anrp | CSD uses a circuit, same as voice |
| 18:42.52 | anrp | gprs is packet |
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| 18:43.14 | anrp | csd is billed per minute like voice and uses the same network bandwidth as a voice call |
| 18:43.19 | mjr | yes it's circuit switched, yes voice is also circuit switched, this does not make CSD calls voice calls |
| 18:43.26 | tushyd | sorry, i'm a little out of it today |
| 18:43.28 | anrp | they're the same class of call |
| 18:43.30 | anrp | is what i mean |
| 18:43.34 | anrp | unlike packet... |
| 18:43.45 | thomasgruebler | is there anyone who could help me? |
| 18:44.04 | mjr | and what I'm asking is if tushyd has some fantasy of transmitting data over GSM voice calls spesifically |
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| 18:44.34 | anrp | tricky.. you'd have to try and fool the modulator |
| 18:44.51 | mjr | 'cause that ain't gonna happen (well, you can, maybe even >1000 bps, with sneaky modulation) |
| 18:44.53 | anrp | unless the modem supports online switching to data mode (haven't seen many that do) |
| 18:45.38 | tushyd | no, I just miss typed.... I was just making sure that making calls wouldn't use data because I can't afford it |
| 18:45.58 | anrp | it shouldn't? |
| 18:46.18 | mjr | if you place a GSM voice call using a GSM "modem", it will naturally do just that, and not place a data call |
| 18:46.46 | tushyd | ok, thanks. |
| 18:47.04 | anrp | ..don't let the door hit you on the way out |
| 18:47.06 | enjahova | thomasgruebler, i got connection refused too |
| 18:47.26 | thomasgruebler | enjahova: ok then it could be a server problem |
| 18:47.33 | thomasgruebler | thanks |
| 18:47.35 | enjahova | yeah |
| 18:48.35 | thomasgruebler | everyday i want to do something there's a problem :D |
| 18:48.54 | enjahova | can you find alternate server? |
| 18:49.22 | thomasgruebler | do you mean for the whole project? |
| 18:50.04 | thomasgruebler | maybe sourceforge or tuxfamily offers good services. i'm useing sourceforge for my own projects without problems |
| 18:50.14 | enjahova | no for the bitbake part |
| 18:51.44 | thomasgruebler | i'm not sure. maybe we find a commerzial hoster. hetzner.de for example is listened on many projects as hoster. |
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| 18:52.49 | _buz | i can recommend hetzner |
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| 19:06.41 | enjahova | anyone else use xephyr |
| 19:06.42 | enjahova | ? |
| 19:06.48 | enjahova | i just got it working, but its missing some images |
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| 19:07.46 | enjahova | and this sounds really noob, but how do you quit calculator with just the stylus? |
| 19:07.59 | enjahova | (er mouse in my case) |
| 19:09.19 | abraxa_ | I don't think you can |
| 19:09.56 | enjahova | now im stuck in the calendar |
| 19:09.59 | abraxa_ | If you're running matchbox however you can switch to openmoko-today by clicking the top left bar |
| 19:10.09 | abraxa_ | From there you can kill it |
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| 19:11.35 | enjahova | matchbox? |
| 19:12.38 | krLun | hi |
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| 19:14.11 | abraxa_ | enjahova: Yeah, the window manager OM uss |
| 19:14.12 | abraxa_ | uses* |
| 19:14.20 | enjahova | oh, i think i saw that |
| 19:14.27 | enjahova | it kinda bugged out on me =\ |
| 19:14.30 | enjahova | i followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
| 19:14.44 | enjahova | is there a likely reason it doesn't seem to be themed correctly? |
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| 19:17.04 | abraxa_ | No idea, sorry |
| 19:17.10 | enjahova | eh |
| 19:17.34 | enjahova | i'll just mess with it a lil more |
| 19:17.42 | abraxa_ | Though I do wonder why matchbox gives you troubles |
| 19:17.50 | enjahova | just trying to set up best environment for app development |
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| 19:25.06 | nelson | is OpenMoko supposed to crash every five minutes? |
| 19:25.16 | nelson | Or am I being singled out for punishment? |
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| 19:26.43 | enjahova | cool, xoo works too |
| 19:26.56 | mmazur | nelson, it's a feature. |
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| 19:30.06 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: You had questions regarding QVGA? |
| 19:30.37 | nelson | I'm gonna try upgrading. |
| 19:30.39 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, ah yes! |
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| 19:30.50 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: What do you want to know? |
| 19:31.28 | nelson | Something is confused. It keeps downloading gtk+-fastscaling |
| 19:31.33 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, just wondered if someone had knowledge about it...i'm trying to enable qvga and i get purple artifacts all over screen |
| 19:31.43 | nelson | In fact, every other package it downlods is gtk+-fastscaling. |
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| 19:32.13 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: When you do "echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state; cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state" - does it show qvga-normal or normal? |
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| 19:32.43 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, i'll have to check that... |
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| 19:33.16 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: It's not purple btw, it's blue and red alternating - it's a nice effect to toy around with ;) |
| 19:33.36 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, aah, my bad :D |
| 19:34.03 | abraxa_ | Oh, I didn't notice it at first either... only when I moved my hand over it rather swiftly, hehe |
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| 19:34.37 | enjahova | xephyr/xoo doesn't seem to be getting gtk theme for openmoko =\ |
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| 19:35.00 | Elrond | Hi abraxa_! :) |
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| 19:36.55 | abraxa_ | Hiho Elrond! :D |
| 19:37.04 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, hmm, neo is dead as usual :), will have to get back on that with gpio state |
| 19:37.15 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: Alrighty |
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| 19:37.42 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, is it possible that state change didn't have any effect? and in that case, what to do? |
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| 19:42.46 | cb22 | GTA02v4 thorough evaluation by OpenMoko internal developers - IN PROGRESS |
| 19:42.47 | cb22 | yay |
| 19:43.13 | krLun | ohh |
| 19:43.22 | krLun | does this mean its on schedule? |
| 19:43.32 | krLun | => it may still release in december? |
| 19:45.08 | Elrond | Oct 31 20:44:53 baerbel sendmail[4033]: l9VJirHM004033: to=oo.o@windbuechse.samba-tng.org, ctladdr=tacke (304/204), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30332, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (l9VJirT1004035 Message accepted for delivery) |
| 19:45.14 | Elrond | wua. |
| 19:45.23 | cb22 | krLun, hopefully, december looks promsing :) |
| 19:45.24 | woglinde | hi elrond |
| 19:45.41 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: Yes, that's what I wanted to check with the two commands I gave you. If the state still reads "normal" (i.e. VGA) then your kernel doesn't have the QVGA patches |
| 19:45.44 | Elrond | Hi woglinde! :-) |
| 19:46.30 | abraxa_ | cb22: Where did you read that? |
| 19:46.37 | cb22 | abraxa_, the wiki |
| 19:46.41 | cb22 | michael updated it |
| 19:46.45 | abraxa_ | Ahh |
| 19:47.02 | abraxa_ | Welp, that's good then :) |
| 19:47.07 | cb22 | yep :) |
| 19:47.10 | abraxa_ | Though it's no real news, lol |
| 19:47.19 | krLun | if its only roughly 2 months until release, shouldn't you be able to pre-order soon?!:) |
| 19:47.29 | krLun | i so DO NOT want to miss out on the first batch of GTA02 |
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| 19:48.37 | cb22 | krLun, same here |
| 19:49.22 | krLun | i wonder if december 25 means the date they start shipping, or the date when you may place you pre-order |
| 19:49.27 | abraxa_ | I'm pretty sure it will get slashdotted ;) |
| 19:49.33 | cb22 | yeah |
| 19:49.34 | cb22 | damn it |
| 19:49.39 | cb22 | i'm gonna write a script |
| 19:49.45 | cb22 | that will query the webshop every half an hour |
| 19:49.48 | cb22 | and if anything has changed |
| 19:49.57 | cb22 | sms / call / hit me over the head |
| 19:50.01 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 19:51.01 | krLun | ill just pay some asian guy to reload the page every minute and tell me whenever something interesting happens |
| 19:51.06 | krLun | :) |
| 19:51.14 | cb22 | haha |
| 19:51.26 | krLun | HUMAN COMPUTATIONS, its the future |
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| 19:52.42 | mmontour | krLun: http://www.mturk.com |
| 19:53.49 | krLun | lol, i read "myturk.com" |
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| 19:54.12 | cb22 | www.penisland.com :) |
| 19:54.27 | cb22 | that must be the worst domain name ever |
| 19:54.35 | cb22 | i'd shoot the marketing guys |
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| 19:54.55 | cb22 | hmm, www.penisland.org |
| 19:54.57 | cb22 | my bad |
| 19:55.15 | cjb_ie | think of the amount of traffic it gets from people laughing at it |
| 19:55.18 | cb22 | argh |
| 19:55.20 | cb22 | .net |
| 19:55.28 | cjb_ie | surely at least one of them has bought a pen once :) |
| 19:55.31 | cb22 | hehe |
| 19:55.32 | nelson | You mean pen-island.com? |
| 19:55.40 | cb22 | nope, penisland.net |
| 19:55.49 | cb22 | http://www.penisland.net you can buy sample pens |
| 19:55.53 | nelson | well, *THEY* mean pen-island.net? |
| 19:55.58 | cb22 | i mean, what else did you think there was? |
| 19:56.25 | cjb_ie | i prefer powergenitalia |
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| 19:57.34 | nelson | Are gtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling equivalent packages? |
| 19:58.05 | woglinde | hi ljp |
| 20:00.13 | nelson | Or, rather, to put it a different way, "ipkg upgrade" tries to install gtk+-fastscaling and yet it has the same files as gtk+. |
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| 20:02.00 | nelson | I searched in the wiki and it says nothing. |
| 20:04.17 | ljp | woglinde: hello |
| 20:05.24 | nelson | Ahhh, I see, that's been covered already, a week and some ago: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko/openmoko.20071023.txt |
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| 20:05.42 | nelson | Hey, TimRiker. |
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| 20:07.35 | mwester | cb22: No news that I've seen, certainly nothing by way of kernel updates for suspend/resume (and I think that requires some kernel work yet) |
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| 20:09.46 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, no, you're right...state change doesn't happen :| |
| 20:10.44 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: Yeah, the QVGA patch isn't included in current kernels |
| 20:11.50 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: Maybe... maybe if you make mwester some sweet eyes... |
| 20:12.02 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, :D |
| 20:13.24 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, i thought i had it, because something changed with newly compiled images, before it didn't even do anything :P |
| 20:14.10 | abraxa_ | Unfortunately not the required (new) patch |
| 20:15.15 | nelson | Ahhhh, I think I know why OpenMoko hates me: I asked it for full power management. |
| 20:15.29 | nelson | That would be my bad, now wouldn't it? |
| 20:19.32 | abraxa_ | nelson: I didn't have any problems with that setting myself |
| 20:21.54 | jeddy3 | nelson, abraxa_, yeah sometimes (about 50% :P) it's having trouble waking up from suspend |
| 20:22.01 | jeddy3 | for me that is |
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| 20:22.49 | mwester | We need to figure that out, I guess. But first I need to add QVGA to the kernel, I'm told. :P |
| 20:23.26 | jeddy3 | mwester, :D |
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| 20:35.13 | nelson | suggestions on what kernel and rootfs to install? |
| 20:35.53 | abraxa_ | nelson: mwester's kernel + up-to-date rootfs from ScaredyCat's repo |
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| 20:37.26 | nelson | tnx. |
| 20:44.07 | berkus | abraxa_: can you express the same in terms of URLs for us mere mortals? :) |
| 20:44.47 | berkus | or maybe there's RecommendedKernelAndRootfs on the wiki already? :) |
| 20:45.14 | berkus | (i can find scaredycat's repo, but what about mwester?) |
| 20:47.22 | abraxa_ | http://moko.mwester.net |
| 20:48.52 | berkus | ty |
| 20:49.09 | abraxa_ | yw |
| 20:49.10 | abraxa_ | ;) |
| 20:50.07 | berkus | is mwester's rootfs any bad or good? |
| 20:50.13 | berkus | or just slightly oldish? |
| 20:50.35 | abraxa_ | Neither, just ScaredyCat puts some more stuff into his |
| 20:50.44 | abraxa_ | e.g. time zones |
| 20:51.16 | mwester | ScaredyCat has good stuff, I just hack on the kernel (and on things like gsmd from time to time). |
| 20:51.35 | berkus | ic |
| 20:52.08 | berkus | anything interesting gsmd-related in your kernel? i couldn't make mine say a word after a first at-command sent to it |
| 20:52.14 | abraxa_ | Perfect symbiosis in my opinion :) |
| 20:52.20 | mwester | The only thing to watch out for is kernel/module mismatches. The modules are in the rootfs, so if you get a kernel and rootfs that don't match in that regard, it won't boot correctly. |
| 20:52.54 | berkus | it matches only on the kernel version (i.e. uname -r), right? |
| 20:52.57 | mwester | berkus: No gsmd changes right now. |
| 20:53.03 | mwester | Yep, uname -r |
| 20:53.36 | berkus | ok, i'll keep torturing gsmd here :) |
| 20:53.37 | mwester | hehe! |
| 20:54.49 | berkus | is there an easy way to check out which kernel version modules does a rootfs contain? |
| 20:55.24 | mwester | There's nothing in the name that would directly tell you, at present. |
| 20:56.26 | berkus | hmm.. and seems i'm missing a jffs2 driver on my desktop pc. do you know if there's a fuse module to mount jffs2 without much fuss? |
| 20:56.56 | mwester | I know of no changes in recent weeks that would cause breakages (something was committed last night, but i don't think that would cause a module version problem -- I can check, though :) |
| 20:58.00 | berkus | ok, i'll just burn it straight into the neo ;) |
| 20:58.54 | berkus | also of the packages on scaredycat's repo which name to choose (what is the difference anyway?): scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 vs OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071029-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2? |
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| 21:44.36 | Ghiottone | hola |
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| 22:25.00 | Ghiottone | news of the next generation FIC device (HXD8) in the community list |
| 22:29.54 | berkus | erm, url? |
| 22:30.13 | daMaestro | add it to the /topic |
| 22:30.16 | daMaestro | there is no topic lock |
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| 22:48.18 | El_Salvador | <Ghiottone> news of the next generation FIC device (HXD8) in the community list |
| 22:48.21 | El_Salvador | dash express? |
| 22:48.23 | Ghiottone | berkus there is no url, it was an email on community list |
| 22:48.33 | Ghiottone | El_Salvador, it seems so |
| 22:48.45 | Ghiottone | El_Salvador, but it's the first time I see the dash name |
| 22:48.48 | Ghiottone | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 22:48.53 | El_Salvador | me too |
| 22:49.00 | Ghiottone | this is a new page made by roh |
| 22:49.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by Ghiottone -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 22:50.34 | Ghiottone | El_Salvador, it seems pretty interesting though. especially for the mashup part |
| 22:50.58 | El_Salvador | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/10/dash_web2summit_openmoko.html |
| 22:51.22 | Ghiottone | yeah I was reading that |
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| 23:02.33 | gamin | El_Salvador: that explains why FIC is not opening the GPS... |
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| 23:04.39 | Ghiottone | gamin, what do you mean by not opening? |
| 23:05.41 | gamin | Ghiottone: as mwester said, there are forces inside of Fic / openmoko who do not want to get the gllin out |
| 23:06.32 | Ghiottone | oh. that is unexpected for me |
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| 23:06.38 | Ghiottone | s/is/was/ |
| 23:06.54 | gamin | the eula stuff is a red herring |
| 23:07.56 | abraxa_ | gamin: "that explains" - what does? |
| 23:08.45 | gamin | abraxa_: the dash gps is an openmoko/fic phone, internet connected |
| 23:08.54 | Ghiottone | gamin, what do you mean? |
| 23:09.23 | abraxa_ | gamin: Yes, and? That doesn't explain why gllin shouldn't be made available |
| 23:10.10 | mwester | gamin: let me clarify what I meant: the evidence is that there are factors within FIC/openmoko who do not wish to spend money -- and do not see the value of releasing the gllin driver |
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| 23:12.29 | roh | mwester the money IS already spent. |
| 23:13.25 | fgau | mwester: i have bought a neo with gps functionality ... but i cannot used it |
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| 23:14.58 | mwester | roh, time is money, and in my experience companies the size of openmoko would get lawyer's time from the parent company (fic) - eventually the priority that lawyer gives to the EULA is driven by who ever pays that lawyer, and it's been many months that the EULA has been waiting... I'm just observing the obvious. |
| 23:15.39 | fgau | mwester: that is not business as i understand |
| 23:16.40 | mwester | I'm still desperately hoping that the openmoko crew (who I know want this released) will win out and get the lawyers to commit the time necessary to give the community a (legal) driver. We just grow impatient. |
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| 23:18.39 | mwester | heck, *I'll* write an EULA. I've seen enough of those documents and been involved in a few of those negotiations. Give me the job. |
| 23:18.53 | anrp | whoa, mega liability there :p |
| 23:18.54 | krLun | mwester, what exactly is the problem? |
| 23:19.24 | mwester | krLun: nothing new, same old issue. Just impatient. |
| 23:20.13 | mwester | anrp: Standard lawyer disclaimer will be written into it: "I, the lawyer, accept no liability for anything at all." :D :P |
| 23:20.37 | mwester | When was the last time a lawyer actually got sued, instead of the employer? ;) |
| 23:20.57 | krLun | will we be able to use the GPS of GTA02 at all with the current state of things? |
| 23:21.06 | krLun | or will it "just" mean that we can only use a binary driver? |
| 23:21.20 | mwester | The GTA02 GPS will be "standard", no special anything required. :) |
| 23:21.41 | krLun | i thought gllin was the gps driver? |
| 23:21.49 | mwester | It is, but only for the GTA01. |
| 23:21.52 | krLun | oh |
| 23:25.11 | daMaestro | are we even able to use GPS yet? GTA01? |
| 23:25.40 | mwester | Not legally, at least where I live. I'm told that it works very well though. |
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| 23:26.43 | mwester | abraxa_: How do I test a kernel with qvga support? |
| 23:27.19 | abraxa_ | mwester: "echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state; cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state" says "qvga-normal" |
| 23:28.08 | mwester | :) It says "qvga-normal" |
| 23:28.11 | abraxa_ | Yay! |
| 23:28.29 | abraxa_ | With "normal" you switch back to VGA |
| 23:29.00 | mwester | I had to transform the code you pointed me toward into a patch on a patch... but it seems to work. The screen is pretty funky - I expect I shouldn't do that while X is running, huh? |
| 23:29.21 | abraxa_ | Hehe yeah |
| 23:29.27 | abraxa_ | Doesn't really matter, though |
| 23:29.45 | mwester | Oh, but it recovers nicely when you set it to "normal". |
| 23:30.01 | mwester | Sweet. This should make a lot of things much faster, if you don't need the resolution. |
| 23:30.10 | krLun | btw, does the neo have a GPS antenna connection? and if so, what connection is it? MMCX? |
| 23:31.31 | mwester | abraxa_: is there a more generic way one would usually put the device into qvga mode -- the "echo" is a bit obscure ;) |
| 23:32.03 | abraxa_ | mwester: Actually, there are several steps involved as of now - it'll change later, I'm sure |
| 23:33.16 | mwester | ok. the kernel patches work at least. |
| 23:33.23 | abraxa_ | Thanks :) |
| 23:33.52 | abraxa_ | krLun: Yes, you can connect it if you drill a hole into the case ;) |
| 23:33.53 | mwester | I'll upload the kernel in the next few hours. |
| 23:34.29 | abraxa_ | Sure, just don't stress out |
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| 23:34.48 | roh | krLun the socket right from the usb socket, the golden one is gps including 3V Âpower for an active antenna |
| 23:35.22 | CVirus | OFFICIAL UPDATE !! |
| 23:35.24 | CVirus | horaaaaay |
| 23:35.51 | CVirus | not yet |
| 23:35.53 | CVirus | reading |
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| 23:36.24 | krLun | where? |
| 23:36.45 | Ghiottone | krLun, see the topi |
| 23:36.50 | Ghiottone | s/top/topic/ |
| 23:37.52 | Ghiottone | mwester, 2.6.23 kernel? |
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| 23:40.52 | abraxa_ | roh: Just wondering... one the one hand it's said that the Neo lacks FCC approval in the 850MHz band which is why it was disabled - but it's also said that the lack of 850MHz support could be "a combination of hardware and software" issues. That sounds contradicting to me as I would assume 850MHz support is working but was merely disabled |
| 23:40.59 | abraxa_ | Can you shed some light on this? |
| 23:41.42 | berkus | abraxa_: hmm wasn't there a problem with TI Calypso firmware preventing it from working in 850MHz band? |
| 23:41.47 | roh | abraxa_ not yet in detail.. but i seems to be an issue with how 'quad band' is to be intrepreted in the datasheets. |
| 23:43.55 | abraxa_ | Interesting... quite frankly I didn't expect OM to do such a mess-up - I got the impression they designed GSM circuitry before after all :) |
| 23:47.26 | Mek | of course only a tiny portion of potential customers are affected by the 850MHz issue... |
| 23:47.31 | mwester | Ghiottone: Nope, just a patched 2.6.21 kernel. The 2.6.23-devel kernel builds, but I'm not sure what works and doesn't. |
| 23:47.54 | anrp | a tiny? |
| 23:48.01 | anrp | by number, sure, but thats about half the US market |
| 23:48.03 | mmontour | roh: is the 850 MHz issue a problem for GTA01 only, or is GTA02 also affected? |
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| 23:48.55 | mwester | more than half of the North American market. Pretty much all of the rural and less-dense areas are 850MHz, regardless of carrier. |
| 23:50.17 | mwester | So unless you live, work, and limit your travel to the really big cities, a lack of 850MHz is a significant limitation. |
| 23:50.29 | anrp | nod |
| 23:50.35 | Ghiottone | mwester, I see. I was thinking about learning to hack the kernel. And as a sample project I thought about adding /proc/diskstats to the mtd driver but could not find any documentation on /proc/diskstat. do you know where could I look? |
| 23:51.35 | anrp | mtd isn't a disk, not sure that mapping would make sense... |
| 23:51.51 | mwester | That's what I was thinking, but perhaps there's an analog |
| 23:51.52 | anrp | although stats for mtdblock would be ok |
| 23:51.56 | anrp | since that's a block dev |
| 23:52.03 | mwester | Yep. |
| 23:52.50 | anrp | but if you're interested, grep will probably help you a lot :o |
| 23:53.05 | anrp | id just grep for diskstats and start backtracking from there... |
| 23:54.23 | Ghiottone | anrp, about the sense, mtd developers told me the same thing |
| 23:54.41 | Ghiottone | anrp, but adding stats to the mtdblock drivers could help as I need those stats for bootcharts |
| 23:55.12 | Ghiottone | anrp, also I grep'd the sources but could not find anything |
| 23:55.39 | anrp | eh really? |
| 23:56.02 | roh | mmontour same with gta02.. for now. but that also means its a generic solution for both when found |
| 23:56.26 | roh | mmontour the gsm section is identical on gta01 and gta02 |
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| 23:57.45 | roh | mwester: but i think you see that it is really unlucky that the us uses minimal nonstandard frequency ranges nearly everywhere when it comes to phones |
| 23:57.53 | mmontour | OK, thanks. Hope it gets fixed in time for the GTA02 shipment... |
| 23:58.06 | Ghiottone | roh, do you think it will be possible to have some even not fully working gps driver to show something at TeleMobilityForum conference? |
| 23:58.43 | Ghiottone | roh, date is 15 november IIRC |
| 23:58.50 | anrp | Ghiottone: blockdev/genhd.c contains the logic behind the aggregate stats |
| 23:58.53 | mwester | roh: absolutely right; if US and Canada had adopted 900MHz like the rest of the world, then there would only be need for tri-band phones. |
| 23:59.05 | roh | Ghiottone i sincerly don't know |
| 23:59.11 | anrp | also, fs/proc/proc_misc.c contains some logic for it |
| 23:59.29 | roh | mwester no.. if they also would have used 1800 instead of 1900 we only need 2 |
| 23:59.33 | roh | ;) |