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| 00:13.44 | cesarb | Could someone with a standard build get me the output of "find build/tmp/rootfs/"? |
| 00:13.58 | sagaci2 | I'll do that |
| 00:17.02 | sagacis | cesarb: http://cl1p.net/find.build.tmp.rootfs/ |
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| 00:17.27 | sagacis | cesarb: I may have a few other things in there, but it should be a clean build from ~12 hrs ago |
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| 00:20.25 | cesarb | sagacis: looks like your uploaded file was cut off in the middle :( |
| 00:20.37 | cesarb | look at the last line: build/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/gsmd-plugin-v |
| 00:20.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
| 00:22.03 | cesarb | hm, I do have a correct build/tmp/rootfs/etc/pulse/session... |
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| 00:24.25 | orzo | my neo has been left plugged into the computer for days and still it wont turn on |
| 00:25.17 | SpeedEvil | Have you pulled the battery first? |
| 00:25.19 | cesarb | orzo: some people had these problems with neos left plugged for too long |
| 00:25.57 | orzo | well i pulled the battery now and reinserted teh batter and replugged |
| 00:26.01 | orzo | is that going to do anything? |
| 00:26.56 | sagacis | cesarb: I'll try with a file. |
| 00:27.28 | cesarb | hm, pulseaudio is running, so it's not that... |
| 00:28.45 | sagacis | cesarb: again. I attached a file to http://cl1p.net/find.build.tmp.rootfs/ |
| 00:28.45 | SpeedEvil | orzo: do you own a multimeter? |
| 00:28.51 | orzo | no |
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| 00:29.23 | sagacis | cesarb: You should be happy to not get blasted away every time you start the phone. I removed it from the session on mine. |
| 00:29.27 | orzo | it was plugged in a long tmie, but then the computer it was plugged into lost power |
| 00:29.37 | orzo | and when i finalyl came back to it, it would not power up |
| 00:29.44 | orzo | and its been like that ever since |
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| 00:32.44 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that's pretty much expected - it will discharge so far it won't boot enough to charge properly. |
| 00:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Have you - after it wouldn't power up - done the remove battery for 10 mins, put back in, put in USB charge lead for several hours thing? |
| 00:33.20 | cesarb | sagacis: no difference which could explain why I don't get gui sounds |
| 00:33.24 | cesarb | sagacis: thx |
| 00:33.32 | orzo | no |
| 00:33.38 | orzo | i removed the batetry for a few seconds |
| 00:34.00 | orzo | should i unplug it and remove the battery? |
| 00:34.13 | orzo | is there a wiki page on this whole issue? |
| 00:35.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:35.49 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 00:37.26 | juri_ | hmm. i just plugged in my openmoko to charge... and its screen is flashing off and on rapidly. is this normal? |
| 00:38.19 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management - USB. |
| 00:38.33 | SpeedEvil | -> juri_, orzo |
| 00:38.44 | SpeedEvil | it may do that in some charge states juri_. |
| 00:39.42 | mwester | You do have a battery in it, right? (juri_) |
| 00:40.07 | mwester | (the power management is, um, "bad" if it is plugged in sans battery) |
| 00:40.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: perhaps juri's PMU is noticing that a USB charger has been plugged and trying to run uboot? |
| 00:40.39 | juri_ | right. ;) |
| 00:40.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: which would happily think it has lots of juice and proceed to enable all the blinkenlichten... |
| 00:41.09 | juri_ | its not a "steady flash". sometimes it misses a turn-on or turn-off cycle. pretty randomly. |
| 00:41.13 | mwester | Wheee! Finally got an image built! So now I have an image that boots, starts gsmd and the dialer without error. :) |
| 00:41.31 | mwester | The panel occaisionally dies, but that's another problem. |
| 00:41.32 | juri_ | lemme try it with the other battery... |
| 00:41.48 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if that's the case, uboot's lowlevel init should be made a bit smarter... checking first with the charger if it's ok to proceed or if it should halt the cpu instead |
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| 00:42.55 | mwester | Looks like someone committed what is claimed to be a less intrusive startup sound -- but they commited it to the wrong place (2007.1 I think, not the 2007.2) |
| 00:43.11 | orzo | is it possible to get a beefier battery for the phase 1 neo? |
| 00:43.58 | juri_ | hmm. just a dead battery. |
| 00:44.15 | juri_ | i'll charge my "good" battery, then try and charge this mostly dead one. |
| 00:44.31 | mwester | Not quite "consumer-ready", huh :) |
| 00:44.51 | cesarb | orzo: a beefier battery wouldn't help with insane failure modes like these |
| 00:45.01 | mwester | BTW, anyone know where the "hangup" button is? |
| 00:45.18 | orzo | cesarb: well i want it to last longer without having to implement power saving tricks |
| 00:45.48 | wilymage | how's the suspend feature development progressing? |
| 00:45.49 | aloril | wilymage: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 00:45.55 | LittleIdiot | does anybody know why i get a "network registration denied" via gsmd shell? |
| 00:45.58 | sagacis | mwester I have your patch. That goes in the kernel directory and build, right? |
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| 00:46.19 | LittleIdiot | if i use one sim, its fine, with the other it does answer with that error... |
| 00:46.41 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: first things first: is the failing SIM for a GSM850 carrier? |
| 00:48.42 | LittleIdiot | uhm... dunno, i'll have a look if o2 germany uses the 850 band... |
| 00:49.10 | SpeedEvil | cdes: yes - basically that all needs to be done. It's broken at the moment. And it needs to turn off before using all the juice. |
| 00:49.21 | LittleIdiot | but these two sims are from the same carrier, only difference is that the one not working has it's "homezone" where i am |
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| 00:52.17 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: check /tmp/gsmd.log |
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| 00:53.03 | LittleIdiot | its in the 1800 band |
| 00:53.05 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: even if it doesn't register, you should be getting the signal strengths (the CSQ stuff), and you could find the error message there too |
| 00:55.48 | LittleIdiot | ok, rebooting and inserting the other sim... might take some time ;) |
| 00:56.23 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: if you are booting with the failing SIM, be sure to pastebin the gsm log, since it can be useful for people to help debugging |
| 01:02.03 | orzo | if i write some assembler code to put the cpu in slow mode, will it stay that way and iwll the phone be operational? |
| 01:04.13 | cesarb | juri_: I just had an idea, if you have a debug board you could try using it to halt uboot before it decides to turn on the backlight inverter, for long enought to do a basic charge |
| 01:05.35 | mwester | sagacis: There are multiple ways to do it. Do you want to build it yourself, or just download a kernel with the patch already in it? |
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| 01:06.24 | mwester | sagacis: http://www.mwester.net/moko for a kernel that's pre-patched. (and a rootfs that's also patched, if anyone wishes). |
| 01:07.34 | mwester | But do double-check the md5sums before you flash; my ISP doesn't understand that TCP is supposed to be a reliable end-to-end connection, and twiddles a couple bits every few GBytes of data. |
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| 01:09.13 | orzo | shouldnt it be able to turn on even with a dead battery as long as i have usb power supplied? |
| 01:09.46 | Mek | it can't power up far enough to be able to charge faster than it discharges if the battery is dead |
| 01:10.23 | cesarb | mwester: the tcp checksum is what's supposed to make it reliable... |
| 01:10.45 | cesarb | mwester: (of course, with the current data rates, it might not be enough) |
| 01:12.06 | mwester | Yeah, but it's only a checksum. My ISP has some bad equipment that twiddles bits in pairs, in a small set of patterns that go undetected. They insist it's noise - I point out several hundred examples I've collected with *exactly* the same bits, in the same positions relative to one-another -- and they harumph, and mutter, and say "We'll get back to you" and do nothing. Growl. |
| 01:13.18 | cesarb | mwester: ouch, such evil networking equipment can be a pain |
| 01:13.28 | cesarb | Mek: I just wrote up a bug report on it: 891 |
| 01:13.31 | cesarb | !ombug 891 |
| 01:13.33 | mwester | Especially when it's tower-mounted. |
| 01:13.42 | cesarb | hm, where's the bot? |
| 01:14.00 | mwester | ~botsnack |
| 01:14.00 | apt | aw, gee, mwester |
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| 01:14.11 | mwester | ~ombug 891 |
| 01:14.23 | mwester | apt: help |
| 01:16.07 | cesarb | mwester: the ombug bot is the other one |
| 01:16.10 | cesarb | mwester: not apt |
| 01:16.29 | mwester | We have multiple bots, then? |
| 01:17.18 | LittleIdiot | cesarb: CME ERROR: 15 |
| 01:17.26 | LittleIdiot | according to etsi that is "SIM wrong" |
| 01:17.49 | LittleIdiot | pin is definitively correct |
| 01:17.51 | cesarb | mwester: the bot which answers to ombug is too behaved for that... |
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| 01:19.47 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: the PIM being sent which you can see on /tmp/gsmd.log is the correct one? the UI is still a bit dodgy, I wouldn't trust it too much... |
| 01:20.29 | cesarb | hm, wouldn't the wrong PIM be error _16_ instead of _15_? |
| 01:20.39 | cesarb | s/PIM/PIN/ |
| 01:20.59 | cesarb | error 15 says _SIM_ wrong... as to what that means, I've no idea... |
| 01:21.03 | LittleIdiot | cakeface_: here's the log http://pastebin.com/f67ce2c25 |
| 01:21.35 | cesarb | but it's right next to errors 13 (SIM failure) and 14 (SIM busy) |
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| 01:23.08 | mwester | SIM failure? Sounds like it might be a mechanical problem; the connector is known to be very particular. |
| 01:23.15 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: hm, right after that error, it sends again the AT+CFUN=1, which was what requested the PIN before, and it succeeds this time, so the SIM seems to have accepted the PIN |
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| 01:24.07 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: the real error seems to be 32 (network not allowed - emergency calls only) |
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| 01:25.26 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: and +CREG gets 2 (searching) and then 3 (registration denied) |
| 01:25.44 | cesarb | what was that command to show the current operator... AT+COPS? wasn't it? |
| 01:25.50 | LittleIdiot | RSTR=`+CREG: 2,3' |
| 01:26.00 | LittleIdiot | ...response to CREG |
| 01:26.14 | LittleIdiot | cops returns 0 |
| 01:26.29 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: you could try libgsmd-tool -m atcmd and run AT+COPS? on it |
| 01:26.46 | LittleIdiot | i did - returns: RSTR=`+COPS: 0' |
| 01:27.46 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: sorry, just checked the manual, that isn't the correct command, it'll always return 0 |
| 01:28.18 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: you could try "AT+COPS=?" (lists operators, can take several minutes, any other command of yours will cancel the search and confuse gsmd badly) |
| 01:29.05 | sagacis | mwester, sorry. Got called away to put a new sim card in wife's phone. I would prefer to build my own kernel (with ext2 support for booting from SD Card) |
| 01:29.07 | LittleIdiot | isn't it "AT+COPS?"= ;) |
| 01:29.26 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: ? shows the current value, =? shows what it can be set to |
| 01:29.40 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: in the case of AT+COPS, =? shows all the available carriers |
| 01:29.56 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: and IIRC it also says which one you are currently using... |
| 01:30.06 | LittleIdiot | ok, COPS=? returns CME error 15 again... |
| 01:30.12 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: but I don't know if it'll work when the net reg has been denied |
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| 01:32.41 | cesarb | hm, a completely unrelated manual found on google says as a troubleshooting step for CME ERROR 15 "Check SIM, it must be a GSM SIM." |
| 01:32.56 | cesarb | the error itself is described as "SIM is wrong type" |
| 01:33.27 | LittleIdiot | ok, well the sim also works with umts, maybe that's why |
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| 01:34.14 | LittleIdiot | i'll check the logs for the correct operator id and will try to issue an operator manually... |
| 01:34.25 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: tell FIC, they might want to know more about that SIM of yours... it's not the first problematic one (they have been having trouble with some US SIMs too, I heard rumors a modem firmware revision is in the works) |
| 01:35.00 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: they have been having trouble with some SIMs _and_ GSM850 (but they have been completely and utterly silent on the GSM850 issue) |
| 01:37.08 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: what's most interesting is that it's answering with error 15 when you send it the PIN, and then later goes ahead as if either the PIN succeeded or you simply didn't have a SIM installed |
| 01:37.25 | LittleIdiot | i've seen somebody reporting a similar problem with an uk network, which was also not 850... he got no answer on the ml so far |
| 01:38.19 | mwester | sagacis: http://pastebin.com/m1fac6ee3 |
| 01:38.42 | cesarb | LittleIdiot: perhaps the modem cannot notice the problem before you send the PIN (since the SIM won't talk without it), and then with the SIM unlocked it notices something wrong, and pretends the SIM is not even there so you can still do emergency calls |
| 01:39.34 | mwester | sagacis: make those changes to your openembedded directory, then rebuild -- it'll create a new kernel.. |
| 01:42.01 | sagacis | mwester: Cool! I was almost there. I didn't know the monotone stuff. This is good info. Thanks. |
| 01:43.41 | mwester | bedboi: I updated the images on the web site - sorry for the delay; there were some OE problems building today :( |
| 01:44.19 | LittleIdiot | cesarb: ok, thank you so far ;) |
| 01:44.41 | orzo | i did the no battery for 10 minutes thing |
| 01:44.50 | orzo | and have had it plugged in for a while and i just turned it on |
| 01:44.58 | orzo | it booted to the logo and is stuck there |
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| 02:00.47 | SpeedEvil | do the no battery thing, then leave it for longer |
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| 02:02.16 | abraxa_ | mwester: You got the dialer without error? Did you use an older libmokoui2 or am I just too dense to see the fix on SVN? :) |
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| 02:04.45 | mwester | I can't commit the fix to SVN, I don't have SVN access :( |
| 02:05.45 | mwester | There are two fixes, one is to revert to the older libmokoui2, and there's another that patches libgsmd, they fix the inability to start the dialer, and the dialer's "can't power up the antenna" problem. |
| 02:05.49 | mwester | respectively. |
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| 02:06.56 | mwester | And Elrond found the panel problem (the one where the matchbox panel sometimes (usually) won't start) -- it's the battery applet, not the GSM applet. |
| 02:07.38 | mwester | So I have an image now that seems to start very reliably. :) So much so that I've suddenly realized that I can't find the hangup button to end a call! |
| 02:08.12 | abraxa_ | mwester: Did you make a patch for libmokoui2 or are you referring to the gsmd patch? |
| 02:09.08 | mwester | I have another patch for libgsmd, and you have to also edit sane-srcrevs to go back to an older libmokoui2 (and clean up the build remnants from the newer, broken one, before you rebuild). |
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| 02:10.04 | mwester | So now there's a kernel patch to fix the gsmd flow-control lockups, a patch to fix the gsmd startup problems, and another gsmd patch to fix the dialer problem. It's becoming quite "patchwork" :-D |
| 02:10.06 | abraxa_ | mwester: Ok, then I'll make a patch for libmokoui2 and open a bug |
| 02:10.23 | abraxa_ | Yeah, heh :) |
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| 02:11.01 | mwester | I think there were some updates to libmokoui2 committed to SVN, I'll try one of those tomorrow and see if they work. Forward is better than backwards... |
| 02:11.25 | abraxa_ | They're just documentation |
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| 02:12.34 | mwester | I had a manager once who thought that sufficient documentation of a problem would result in a resolution of same... |
| 02:13.00 | abraxa_ | Ohh, fun |
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| 02:17.23 | sagacis | We had a software engineer who fixed a bug by updating comments in the code this year. |
| 02:17.39 | sagacis | When the bug came up for analysis, we couldn't get it to reproduce. |
| 02:18.20 | sagacis | We finally found one of the engineers had inadvertently flipped a bool comparison while writing comments on the line above, and he fixed the bug! |
| 02:22.36 | bedboi | mwester: what? |
| 02:23.35 | cesarb | sagacis: wow |
| 02:24.10 | cesarb | mwester: that's because a documented issue is not a bug, it's at most a misfeature ;-) |
| 02:24.18 | abraxa_ | How... do you flip a bool comparison by writing a comment above? |
| 02:24.33 | cesarb | abraxa_: fat fingers? |
| 02:25.02 | abraxa_ | *shudders* |
| 02:26.43 | sagacis | In his defense, it was mostly intentional. He was writing the comment for the bool comparison and realized it wasn't correct. He made it match the comment and forgot later what he had done. |
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| 02:27.10 | sagacis | When he committed, his comment said "added comments to lots of files", but that also contained the fix. |
| 02:27.20 | sagacis | he didn't know there was a filed bug for the problem. |
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| 02:41.45 | abraxa_ | ohhh okay - glad to know he did it on purpose |
| 02:43.22 | abraxa_ | On that note... why do people use "dnl" in autotools instead of "#"? |
| 02:44.58 | sagacis | From the gentoo dev manual: (dnl is actually a macro which discards the remainder of the input — it stands for "discard new line"). |
| 02:45.33 | abraxa_ | Hm... thanks, though I fail to see how that would be preferred to # |
| 02:45.58 | sagacis | I think it depends on what file you are in, but I'm no autotools guru |
| 02:46.44 | sagacis | how slow is the mmc writing? |
| 02:49.27 | abraxa_ | ~3mb/sec |
| 02:50.08 | sagacis | I'm trying to cp the /opt/Qtopia to the sd card. It's been at it for 30 mins or so. |
| 02:50.37 | abraxa_ | What FS is on the card? |
| 02:50.49 | sagacis | ext2 or ext3, I can't remember offhand |
| 02:50.55 | abraxa_ | Ah, hm |
| 02:50.56 | sagacis | I think it's ext2 now. |
| 02:51.08 | abraxa_ | Did you mount it sync or not? |
| 02:51.59 | sagacis | sync |
| 02:52.44 | abraxa_ | Mounting it without sync gives you a significant speed improvement, so you might wanna edit you fstab accordingly and try again |
| 02:52.48 | abraxa_ | your* |
| 02:53.00 | cesarb | abraxa_: there's a fundamental difference between dnl and # |
| 02:53.13 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Oh? |
| 02:53.29 | cesarb | abraxa_: dnl is a true comment: not only nothing is output, but the newline is also discarded (dnl = discart till new like or something like that) |
| 02:53.37 | sagacis | darn. sorry I wasted 30 minutes |
| 02:53.51 | cesarb | abraxa_: for #, it (IIRC) disables macro expansion, BUT does not discard the line... it gets sent to the output |
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| 02:54.44 | cesarb | sagacis: fear not, I think I've seen on the commits list for OE (somewhere at lists.linuxtogo) someone changing the default fstab to async ;-) |
| 02:54.48 | cesarb | sagacis: today ;-) |
| 02:54.58 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Ahh... okay, that makes... complete sense, considering autotools' partial retardedness :) |
| 02:55.02 | sagacis | heh.... Just in time. |
| 02:55.10 | sagacis | I'll have to update my phone. |
| 02:55.31 | cesarb | abraxa_: think of autoconf as a macro preprocessor for shell scripts on steroids, and you'll have the right idea ;-) |
| 02:55.50 | abraxa_ | Yeeeeahhhh... m4, anyone? |
| 02:56.05 | cesarb | abraxa_: the "retardness" is due to excessive preocupation with portability (wtf is a "Kubota Titan"?) |
| 02:56.42 | cesarb | abraxa_: for instance, it duplicates code all over (leading to a multi-megabyte shell script). Why? Because some VERY OLD shells don't have functions ;-) |
| 02:57.42 | abraxa_ | ...yeah, and it bugs me that it copies the "missing" scripts to each and every project instead of just making symlinks or magically using system-wide installed ones... |
| 02:58.13 | cesarb | in today's "all the world uses Linux" environment, such preocupations are excessive... making it work with the last 5-6 years of Linux distributions, assorted BSDs, MacOS X releases and Unix-like windows environments would cover over 99% of the user base |
| 02:58.28 | abraxa_ | Anyway, I just didn't understand why people were using "dnl" instead of "#" when "dnl" significantly reduces readability in my opionion. |
| 02:58.58 | cesarb | abraxa_: autoconf copies the scripts because it wants to generate a self-contained tarball, which doesn't depend on the user having autotools |
| 02:59.36 | cesarb | abraxa_: if you use the correct macro, it can put all but 2-3 of them in a separate directory (the documentation even warns you that you should NOT name that directory "aux") |
| 02:59.57 | abraxa_ | Yeah, though no one does that from what I've seen |
| 03:00.31 | cesarb | abraxa_: there's an automake target which generates the tarball, unpacks it, compiles it, and generates the tarball again, as a defense against forgetting to pack some files |
| 03:01.00 | abraxa_ | heh |
| 03:01.04 | orzo | i have an att/cingular sim that is said to work on the wiki |
| 03:01.04 | cesarb | abraxa_: you know the reason why nobody can name a directory "aux"? or a source code file "con.c"? |
| 03:01.19 | orzo | is it possible to activate it without buying a new phone? |
| 03:01.57 | orzo | the wiki points to a link for prepaid plans but it seems to insist i select a phone |
| 03:02.13 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Because of Window's aux: and con: pipes? |
| 03:02.58 | abraxa_ | orzo: Call AT&T/Cingular customer service? |
| 03:03.10 | orzo | eh |
| 03:03.11 | orzo | bummer |
| 03:03.34 | abraxa_ | orzo: I wouldn't know, I'm just thinking that they could activate it for you, too |
| 03:03.39 | orzo | should i insert the SIM and run a test before i activate? |
| 03:04.21 | cesarb | abraxa_: exactly... if you (like linus) don't care a bit about windows, you can (like linus) have files with names differing only in case in the same directory ;-) (ipt_*.c) |
| 03:05.06 | abraxa_ | orzo: Welp, testing whether it works is always a good thing ;) |
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| 03:05.26 | orzo | well i mean, is there a wiki page? |
| 03:05.29 | orzo | heh |
| 03:05.57 | abraxa_ | cesarb: hehe... making life hard for Windows peeps? Yeah sure, why not |
| 03:06.14 | abraxa_ | orzo: I have no idea I'm afraid |
| 03:07.34 | cesarb | orzo: if it's not been activated yet, I'd borrow a friend's phone just to do the activation |
| 03:07.55 | cesarb | orzo: less chance of confusing people |
| 03:08.48 | cesarb | (of course, where I live there are plenty of people with GSM phones, and about 1/3 of them will be SIM-locked to the same carrier I want to activate, whichever I chose...) |
| 03:08.54 | jserv-- | orzo, hi |
| 03:09.13 | orzo | hi |
| 03:09.38 | orzo | well i can stick it in my other phone |
| 03:10.01 | orzo | they'll probably ask an IMEI number |
| 03:10.12 | orzo | i guess i should tell them the neo number? |
| 03:10.29 | orzo | my ohter phone is already activated on some other plan |
| 03:11.32 | orzo | anybody got a pdf reader on their neo? |
| 03:12.00 | bedboi | no |
| 03:12.07 | bedboi | at least me |
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| 03:12.11 | cesarb | orzo: uh? GSM SIMs are not, as far as I know, keyed to the IMEI... |
| 03:12.30 | cesarb | orzo: it's possible (it's there in the specs, you can lock a SIM to a phone), but I've never seen it done |
| 03:13.41 | cesarb | orzo: around here activating a SIM needs only a phone call (using the SIM itself) to a special number, and filling (by voice IIRC... the person on the other side types it all on the computer, but perhaps that was because the normal system was offline when I was buying mine) a form |
| 03:14.06 | cesarb | and the form filling is just a legal requirement for prepaid phones, so perhaps even that is not needed for non-prepaid |
| 03:14.58 | orzo | i want to prepay if i can |
| 03:15.16 | orzo | i went to an activation page for gophones |
| 03:15.24 | orzo | it asked for the IMEI |
| 03:15.44 | orzo | and then an activation pin which i didnt have since this isnt a go phone heh |
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| 03:35.56 | orzo | I followed the wiki instruction to use cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 to issue at commands |
| 03:36.01 | orzo | how do i exit that program? |
| 03:36.09 | sagacis | ~. |
| 03:36.09 | apt | . |
| 03:36.16 | sagacis | heh heh... |
| 03:36.24 | sagacis | type "~." |
| 03:36.28 | orzo | ok |
| 03:36.31 | orzo | thanks |
| 03:36.40 | orzo | that should go on the wiki |
| 03:36.55 | sagacis | I think it says it somewhere. Maybe on another page. Feel free to add it. |
| 03:40.05 | sagacis | mwester: I have removed the console statement from the boot args. Should I keep it removed? |
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| 03:46.40 | mwester | sagacis: if you don't have a debug board, there's no point to having the console defined in the boot args, AFAIK. |
| 03:47.55 | abraxa_ | mwester: Correct |
| 03:51.07 | sagacis | thanks. That's what I thought, so I've been removing it. |
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| 03:55.54 | sagacis | Has anybody tried the 6gb micro sd in the neo yet? |
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| 03:56.36 | sagacis | Ah, I see it on the wiki |
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| 04:14.47 | lalo | er... dfu-util isn't seeing the Neo :-( |
| 04:16.27 | abraxa_ | lalo: Does lsusb see it? |
| 04:16.50 | abraxa_ | lalo: You should see a device with ID 1457:5122 |
| 04:17.34 | lalo | damn, I don't have lsusb. Let be go install it. |
| 04:17.42 | lalo | I did just connect to u-boot with cu, tho |
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| 04:18.11 | abraxa_ | lalo: If dfu-util doesn't see the Neo then you might want to force the device ID |
| 04:18.11 | lalo | hey Frank |
| 04:18.35 | lalo | abraxa_: tried that: "'No DFU capable USB device found" |
| 04:19.00 | abraxa_ | lalo: "dfu-util -a kernel -d 0x1457:0x5119 -R -D [file]", yes? |
| 04:19.05 | abraxa_ | (yes, I got the ID wrong before) |
| 04:19.07 | lalo | right |
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| 04:19.14 | abraxa_ | Hm. |
| 04:20.26 | lalo | wha? There must be something wrong with my setup, lsusb displays nothing and returns 1 |
| 04:21.28 | abraxa_ | Sounds fishy indeed |
| 04:21.50 | lalo | aha |
| 04:22.07 | rwhitby | lalo: do you have the neo sitting in the boot menu? |
| 04:22.16 | lalo | found the problem. I didn't have /proc/bus/usb (legacy usb interface) set up on the host |
| 04:22.19 | lalo | rwhitby: yes |
| 04:22.31 | lalo | don't worry, solved it, it seems |
| 04:23.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Talk:Wish_List]] [[GTA01_gsm_modem]] |
| 04:26.34 | gcb77 | I finally got a good u-boot, but now I can't get any further... I flashed a kernel, file-system, splash, and env (using devirginate -2) |
| 04:26.48 | gcb77 | The splash displays half-way and everything stops |
| 04:27.05 | gcb77 | u-boot comes up ok, but only with the original 2 items (boot & factory reset) |
| 04:27.26 | gcb77 | when I pick boot it comes up with "Press [AUX] to return" |
| 04:27.59 | gcb77 | any ideas where to go from here? |
| 04:28.37 | rwhitby | gcb77: bad uboot-env |
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| 04:31.27 | gcb77 | rwhitby: as in must run devirginate -0? or just flash a good u-boot? |
| 04:31.41 | rwhitby | gcb77: no, uboot-env partition |
| 04:31.49 | rwhitby | it needs a valid environment in there. |
| 04:32.01 | rwhitby | (that's why your splash screen is only going half-way) |
| 04:32.30 | rwhitby | and why you only have two items in the menu |
| 04:32.32 | jserv-- | orzo, are you using USIM? |
| 04:32.49 | gcb77 | yesterday I accidentally loaded a flash image at 0... would that affect the env or just RAM? |
| 04:33.37 | orzo | i dont know what USIM is |
| 04:33.42 | orzo | i didnt activate my sim yet btw |
| 04:33.47 | orzo | may put it off to another day |
| 04:33.54 | orzo | i did test it with at commands in teh phone tho |
| 04:33.58 | orzo | it seems to work |
| 04:34.06 | jserv-- | orzo, good. |
| 04:34.16 | orzo | what's USIM? |
| 04:34.28 | jserv-- | orzo, I'm willing to help you for trouble shooting with GSM firmware/gsmd. |
| 04:34.43 | jserv-- | orzo, USIM is used for 2.5G network. |
| 04:34.59 | anrp | you mean gprs? |
| 04:35.02 | jserv-- | backward compatibility to 2G SIM card. |
| 04:35.37 | abraxa_ | mwester: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=892 - I CC'd Thomas. Let's see what he makes of it :) |
| 04:35.59 | jserv-- | recently, openmoko internal organized a team for GSM related issues. |
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| 04:36.25 | jserv-- | it hopefully drives things faster. |
| 04:36.43 | orzo | is there any hope the phase 1 phone will ever last more than 4 hours? |
| 04:37.07 | anrp | there's lots of hope |
| 04:37.13 | anrp | you have some, apparantly :o |
| 04:37.19 | orzo | heh |
| 04:37.37 | anrp | technically it should be able to |
| 04:37.45 | anrp | as long as you treat it like a phone |
| 04:38.25 | orzo | so |
| 04:38.31 | orzo | not if i use it as an mp3 player |
| 04:38.32 | orzo | heh |
| 04:38.41 | anrp | that's marginal |
| 04:38.43 | anrp | maybe, maybe not |
| 04:39.27 | mwester | abraxa_: A patch, even - nice! |
| 04:40.47 | mwester | I do grow concerned, as the list of outstanding patches grows, that some of this work may get lost. There seems to be no process to get patches evaluated and queued for inclusion. |
| 04:42.08 | roh | youve seen http://patches.openmoko.org/gsmd-devel/ ? |
| 04:42.38 | roh | its not yet getting used fully, but i think it already harvests the lists |
| 04:42.44 | abraxa_ | mwester: I know Mickey and the Braunschweig Connection go through the bugzilla every now and then so outstanding patches will be noticed, I'm sure |
| 04:44.13 | roh | well.. bbl... need to hurry home before the traffic |
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| 04:47.45 | bedboi | re |
| 04:50.30 | mwester | roh: Thanks for the URL - I didn't know of such a thing. How does information get onto that list - I notice that none of the recent patches that have beaten gsmd into submission are yet on that list... |
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| 05:16.44 | sam1am__ | Is there any public preview of what the consumer version will look like? |
| 05:16.45 | aloril | sam1am__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 05:18.46 | sam1am__ | .. |
| 05:19.32 | mwester | Aren't bots fun? |
| 05:19.43 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:19.51 | guaqua | moin moin |
| 05:19.51 | mwester | Physically, it's pretty much identical to the current gta01 version. |
| 05:20.03 | sam1am__ | I see |
| 05:20.04 | guaqua | i guess it's identical |
| 05:20.15 | sam1am__ | what about the "5 new devices" being announced? |
| 05:20.24 | sam1am__ | (See, I did read the FAQ!) |
| 05:20.34 | mwester | :) Then you know what we know. |
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| 05:21.35 | sam1am__ | fair enough |
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| 05:29.10 | roh | mwester: i think it just 'reads' the mailinglists |
| 05:29.52 | mwester | Ah, ok. I guess then I'd best send some patches to the lists as well! :) |
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| 05:57.07 | bedboi | mwester: have you released a new image? |
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| 06:02.41 | abraxa_ | roh / mwester: Does anyone make use of the patch listings even? |
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| 06:24.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Dfu-util]] |
| 06:24.15 | jserv-- | abraxa_, if you made image by openembedded, you shall already have these patches builtin. |
| 06:30.51 | abraxa_ | jserv--: In that case it's a little unfortunate that all patches still say "New" |
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| 06:31.28 | jserv-- | abraxa_, yes, we just picked up in OE first. |
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| 06:45.20 | gcb77 | It's ALIVE!!! |
| 06:45.30 | gcb77 | rwhitby: thank you again for all the help |
| 06:46.03 | rwhitby | gcb77: congrats. how did you fix the env? |
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| 06:46.57 | gcb77 | heh, I was initially trying to flash a text file where I had copied/pasted from the uboot printenv |
| 06:47.20 | gcb77 | eventually I realized I needed to run that perl script on it so it becomes the right-size data |
| 06:48.51 | CM | gcb77: You had a broken uboot_env too? |
| 06:48.57 | gcb77 | It looks like whatever u-boot I ended up using supports booting from micro-sd card, so I might be able to set up dual-boot after all |
| 06:49.08 | bedboi | cool xrandr works :) |
| 06:49.34 | bedboi | actually, openmoko looks quite nice in landscape mode |
| 06:49.50 | gcb77 | CM: I got really familiar with running phase 1 & 2 of the devirginator... I must have ran it 5 or 6 times from the script and a couple of times by hand |
| 06:50.56 | gcb77 | Actually, come to think of it, this env doesn't look anything like my old env... It must have downloaded it from somewher |
| 06:50.58 | CM | gcb77: I don't have a debugboard, but my boot_env have been broken from the start. just doing a dd over /dev/mtdblock1 worked a few times, but now that's broken too. Guess I'll have to live wit hthat |
| 06:52.09 | bedboi | is there any fix for the annoying "unable to ... antenna" |
| 06:52.34 | gcb77 | CM: avoid having to use the debug-board, or have someone w/ experience guide you when you get there. It was a really scary/uneasy couple of days |
| 06:52.43 | CM | *nod* |
| 06:53.12 | CM | I'll try to get around it some other way |
| 06:57.22 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:24.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Neo1973]] |
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| 11:11.23 | cesarb | CM: if your uboot-env is broken, but you can get into linux, just get a working uboot-env from someone with a similar partition setup and use dd to copy it over your broken one |
| 11:11.41 | cesarb | CM: it worked for someone else in this channel (scaredycat IIRC) |
| 11:12.36 | ScaredyCat | yes - iirc he's tried the mdtblock thing.. at least I explained how to do it and gave him the file.. |
| 11:12.48 | ScaredyCat | but I think your scrollback is long ; |
| 11:12.52 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 11:16.06 | CM | :P |
| 11:16.17 | CM | cesarb: I did that maybe 5 times |
| 11:16.36 | CM | Because every time I flashed a new kernel, it overwrote the uboot-env |
| 11:17.17 | CM | And the last 3-4 times I've tried to scp it over to the neo and replace it with dd, it hasn't worked |
| 11:17.36 | CM | So I'm constantly booting using Factory reset |
| 11:17.38 | cesarb | CM: strange, flashing a kernel shouldn't overwrite the uboot-env |
| 11:17.44 | CM | I know |
| 11:17.52 | cesarb | CM: *very* strange |
| 11:18.02 | cesarb | CM: is your "mtdparts" output sane? |
| 11:18.06 | CM | I think I had a bad uboot before, but I changed it to the official .08 version |
| 11:18.17 | CM | I think it is, haven't touched any of that |
| 11:20.13 | CM | cesarb: At least I think it's the kernel, since it broke every time I flashed a new one. |
| 11:20.33 | CM | The dump of mtblock1 when broken looked like this: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/broken/mtdblock1.bin |
| 11:21.11 | CM | Doesn't look anything like the working one I got from ScaredyCat |
| 11:21.33 | CM | Anyway, I'll try to investigate it more next week :) |
| 11:21.36 | cesarb | CM: that's no uboot-env, that's a kernel image! |
| 11:22.09 | CM | cesarb: Exactly. But the weird thing is that it does boot the new kernel |
| 11:22.43 | CM | And I'm using dfu just as the wiki says |
| 11:23.12 | cesarb | CM: I'd recover the uboot-env part (again), switch to USB console, and check the output of the command which shows the partitions (mtdparts IIRC) and the command which shows the environment offset (don't recall it right now), and see if the output looks sane |
| 11:23.23 | CM | *nod* |
| 11:23.25 | CM | Thanks |
| 11:24.00 | cesarb | CM: it's possible that the environment offset and the partition table are not agreeing one with the other... (the partition table is an environment variable, and so the environment offset itself is well hidden somewhere else safe) |
| 11:24.01 | CM | But the problem is that the last 3-4 times I've tried overwriting uboot-env it hasn't worked, so I can't connect with minicom |
| 11:24.20 | CM | Hmm.. Sounds like something like that can be it |
| 11:24.24 | cesarb | CM: that could happen if the environment offset doesn't match the partition table ;-) |
| 11:24.33 | cesarb | CM: so you are overwriting the wrong thing |
| 11:24.38 | CM | Probably the same reason I always get "Bad magic number" |
| 11:24.52 | CM | So the only way to boot is using Factory Reset |
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| 11:31.07 | RalphEichelberge | hey guys - Ralph is here again :) - you happy ? |
| 11:31.27 | RalphEichelberge | however, dudes |
| 11:31.51 | RalphEichelberge | what is going on with our gsmd? |
| 11:32.06 | RalphEichelberge | someone working on it lately? |
| 11:32.30 | SpeedEvil | There has been progress in recent days. |
| 11:32.43 | SpeedEvil | The patches should hopefully turn up in the released images soon |
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| 11:32.57 | RalphEichelberge | really? do i have this progress in my build, updated yesterday? |
| 11:34.22 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 11:34.27 | SpeedEvil | I've not been following it closley. |
| 11:34.31 | cesarb | CM: my attempts at flashing the qemu image are timing out, but I think the command I'm looking for is "dynpart get" |
| 11:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Just been noting that there have been resolved problems. |
| 11:34.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: mwester fixed gsmd |
| 11:34.55 | RalphEichelberge | well i have been browsing the qtopia code for how they did the job and i must confess, they have done a good job |
| 11:35.20 | RalphEichelberge | how about different hardware vendors? |
| 11:35.22 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: yes |
| 11:35.42 | cesarb | CM: oops, sorry, "dynenv get" |
| 11:35.52 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I'm just not aware if it's made it into the source tre, or inot th released images |
| 11:36.28 | RalphEichelberge | well, i know we are hacking the neo first, but don't we want this running other chellphones too? |
| 11:36.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: dunno about the images, but the thing which fixed it (disabling echo with stty in the init script) was put directly in OE |
| 11:36.52 | RalphEichelberge | OE? |
| 11:38.28 | RalphEichelberge | in stty code? |
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| 11:54.19 | RalphEichelberge | ok - sorry: there is a "plugin-slot" implemented in gsmd - i saw it before |
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| 12:24.22 | CM | What's up? Why the joy? |
| 12:24.33 | ScaredyCat | too much coffee |
| 12:25.09 | CM | Hehe |
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| 12:26.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] |
| 12:26.32 | ScaredyCat | so, my topia neo died while off somewhere >48hours |
| 12:27.03 | ScaredyCat | that included 4 boots... to see if it was alive still |
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| 13:06.35 | PBeck | hi |
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| 13:09.23 | wansti | if my Neo tells me "No soundcards found"... is that a software problem or my phone? |
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| 13:10.18 | CM | I'd guess software |
| 13:10.34 | CM | Possibly the wrong modules for the kernel you're using |
| 13:11.20 | wansti | so what can i do about it? |
| 13:11.22 | rwhitby | wansti: during boot it always does that. I think the modules are loaded later |
| 13:13.32 | wansti | what module do i have to load, then? |
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| 13:14.10 | rwhitby | wansti: if you have the right kernel for the rootfs, they will load automatically |
| 13:14.24 | rwhitby | if lsmod says no modules of any kind, then you have the wrong kernel for the rootfs |
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| 13:15.04 | wansti | i downloaded the latest uImage and devel-image from the build host |
| 13:15.37 | CM | Ok, then maye you need a alsactl -f /etc/<someting>.state restore or so? |
| 13:15.46 | CM | Or just run alsamixer and unmute |
| 13:15.46 | wansti | uname -r and ls /lib/modules both tell me "2.6.22.5-moko11" |
| 13:15.59 | CM | And lsmod lists some modules? |
| 13:16.02 | wansti | CM: i get the error message when i try to run alsactl |
| 13:16.10 | CM | Oh.. Hmm. |
| 13:16.24 | wansti | lsmod only lists vfat, bluetooth and a few others |
| 13:16.31 | wansti | nothing sound-related, apparently |
| 13:16.46 | CM | Weird. Is alsa started? |
| 13:17.26 | wansti | probably not... i can't start it without sound cards |
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| 13:18.34 | CM | Does lspci work on the neo? |
| 13:18.59 | wansti | no i don't think so |
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| 13:21.32 | wansti | afk for 15... |
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| 13:25.20 | FuzzyCat | roflmao! |
| 13:25.21 | FuzzyCat | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=../../../../../../../../..//usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/www.adobe.com.key%00 |
| 13:25.51 | XorA | he heh |
| 13:26.06 | XorA | use that to fetch /etc/shadow :-D |
| 13:26.11 | cb22 | lol |
| 13:26.19 | FuzzyCat | hehe |
| 13:28.21 | CM | Hehe.. |
| 13:28.50 | FuzzyCat | not all you need is the .crt .. |
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| 13:35.42 | PBeck | is the design for gta02 already finished? |
| 13:35.50 | ace | ok, I dont get it, I have transfered some executable to the device, but when I run ./myexe it says: -sh: myexe: not found |
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| 13:35.58 | ace | why? |
| 13:35.59 | aloril | ace: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 13:37.14 | aloril | just to check: does it have executable flag on? |
| 13:37.23 | ace | yes |
| 13:37.28 | ace | chmod a+x myexe |
| 13:37.37 | ace | still no luck |
| 13:37.51 | XorA | sounds like invalid format |
| 13:37.59 | XorA | do file blah.exe |
| 13:38.20 | ace | -sh: file: not found :) |
| 13:38.29 | guaqua | ;) |
| 13:38.49 | Ghiottone|work | ace: file is not installed on the moko |
| 13:38.58 | ace | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.00 | ace | well |
| 13:39.04 | ace | I have ssh in |
| 13:39.15 | Ghiottone|work | ace: maybe you are missing some libraries. try using ldd on that exe on the moko |
| 13:39.32 | ace | ldd not found |
| 13:40.17 | ace | uh, "not a dynamic executable" |
| 13:40.45 | ace | crosscompiled with /arm-unknown-linux-gnu/gcc-3.4.2-glibc-2.3.3/bin/arm-unknown-linux-gnu-gc |
| 13:40.54 | Ghiottone|work | ace: ipkg install ldd ? |
| 13:40.59 | ace | thing is, worked on older openmoko patch |
| 13:41.28 | Ghiottone|work | ace: there was an EABI change between 2007.1 and 2007.2 |
| 13:42.24 | ace | hmm, cant access internet from it.. |
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| 13:45.24 | aloril | ace: if it worked on old, then you need to either: 1) recompile it for EABI or 2) chroot it and libraries it needs |
| 13:46.41 | ace | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc ? |
| 13:50.00 | riot | lol.. |
| 13:50.34 | riot | has anyone read that zd.net article about linux crashing into the mobile-sector?? Very funny indeed.. Must've been sponsored by motorola.. not a WORD about OM... |
| 13:50.51 | riot | not even anything about a googlephone... |
| 13:51.01 | XorA | riot: well to be fair motorola does have millions of linux phones in the market |
| 13:51.03 | SpeedEvil | OM is irrelevant. |
| 13:51.10 | SpeedEvil | At the moment. |
| 13:51.22 | SpeedEvil | 99.999% of deployed linux phones are non-OM |
| 13:51.46 | riot | hmm. Yet, i'd argue, that OM is the fastest developing of 'em all. Or am i wrong? |
| 13:52.08 | SpeedEvil | Well - hard to say. |
| 13:52.15 | XorA | riot: well thats true, but then to go from 0 to any number is an infinite improvement :-) |
| 13:52.20 | SpeedEvil | gphone has not been released |
| 13:52.21 | riot | I don't see any real opensource motorola dev-group... |
| 13:52.43 | SpeedEvil | riot: there isn't. |
| 13:53.41 | riot | lol.. too funny.. this LiMo-foundation.. seems to consist of Corps only! Hahahaha.. they'll never succeed |
| 13:54.08 | SpeedEvil | Well. There are two sorts of linux phone. |
| 13:54.26 | SpeedEvil | A) locked-in phones that use it to avoid paying a symbian or wince license fee. |
| 13:54.37 | SpeedEvil | B) actual open phones. |
| 13:54.40 | riot | yep, corporates and REALLY open ones. |
| 13:54.55 | riot | imho, only the open systems will succeed in the long term. |
| 13:55.08 | SpeedEvil | Hard to say. |
| 13:55.19 | SpeedEvil | Possibly in the far long term. |
| 13:55.21 | riot | I hope gpl-violations will have much fun with them.. |
| 13:55.23 | SpeedEvil | Timescale is hard to say. |
| 13:55.32 | SpeedEvil | it's not a gpl violation to lock down the phone. |
| 13:55.38 | riot | yes. Same as with desktop-linux. |
| 13:55.38 | SpeedEvil | At the moment - at least. |
| 13:56.06 | riot | no, not that, but i'm sure, they'll make some critical mistakes in this direction. It's too tempting for greedy corps.. |
| 13:56.11 | SpeedEvil | You can have a completely opensource phone, but have hardware keys to it that the owner does not get, so they can't install softeware. |
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| 13:57.07 | SpeedEvil | And this is completely legal according to the GPL. |
| 13:57.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3041 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-stock.c): |
| 13:57.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: (_moko_stock_add_icon): Attempt to fix a |
| 13:57.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: segfault in moko_stock_register() |
| 13:57.18 | SpeedEvil | (at least at the moment) |
| 13:58.01 | riot | Hmm, yeah. But with regard to those many many unlocked iphones, i don't think that is what customers really want. |
| 13:58.15 | riot | ok, most customers won't care.. |
| 13:58.29 | CM | I wonder what that bricking FUD is all about |
| 13:58.36 | riot | CM: $$$ |
| 13:58.39 | SpeedEvil | I personally have no problem with locked-down phones. As long as the user is informed. |
| 13:59.05 | CM | Sure, they don't want people to unlock it. But I can't imagine that they'll be able to brick all unlocked phones permanently |
| 13:59.34 | SpeedEvil | It's not especially hard to make an uncrackable phone. |
| 13:59.48 | SpeedEvil | It's just a couple of extra dollars on parts. |
| 13:59.51 | ace | anyone here know a good place for all these crosscompilers? |
| 13:59.53 | SpeedEvil | And some design effort. |
| 14:00.07 | ScaredyCat | /dev/null |
| 14:00.10 | SpeedEvil | ace: what crosscompilers? |
| 14:00.20 | ace | to build for the moko |
| 14:00.49 | SpeedEvil | ace: whereever the normal tree puts them works to build the OM image. |
| 14:00.58 | SpeedEvil | you don't have to 'put' them anywhere. |
| 14:01.06 | CM | ace: Are you using OE? |
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| 14:01.34 | ace | OE? |
| 14:01.39 | SpeedEvil | OpenEmbedded |
| 14:01.40 | CM | OpenEmbedded |
| 14:01.43 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:01.45 | SpeedEvil | The normal build platform for OM |
| 14:01.55 | ScaredyCat | I think you need to look at the wiki ace |
| 14:02.31 | ace | oh, that |
| 14:02.44 | ace | no, Im not :) |
| 14:02.46 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile - probably is worth a look ace |
| 14:03.10 | ace | that was waay to much when I wanted to build my own exe |
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| 14:03.51 | ScaredyCat | dl the qtopia x compile toolchain |
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| 14:04.29 | ScaredyCat | provided you don;t want ot do x stuff |
| 14:05.19 | CM | What about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001560.html |
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| 14:05.56 | CM | ace: Oups, sorry.. That's for gtk testing, not cross compile |
| 14:06.59 | mwester | bedboi: Yes, a new image is availalbe, with all the gsmd fixes and the dialer fix |
| 14:07.23 | ace | alright, testing this other crosscompiler now.. |
| 14:07.33 | ace | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc :) |
| 14:08.06 | cb22 | FuzzyCat, lol i reposted that link in one of my IRC channels |
| 14:08.15 | cb22 | and it sparked off 10 or so people pasting other ones |
| 14:09.23 | ace | crap |
| 14:09.29 | ace | "Illegal Instruction" |
| 14:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
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| 14:18.12 | sannes | any uImage out with the terminal fixes yet? |
| 14:19.20 | ace | hey! |
| 14:19.23 | ace | maybe I can use http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/cross/ ? |
| 14:20.30 | mwester | sannes: what terminal fixes do you refer to? |
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| 14:26.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Mokopedia]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 14:27.35 | PBeck | re |
| 14:28.27 | sannes | mwester: The http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 one? |
| 14:29.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3042 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-stock.c): |
| 14:29.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: (_moko_stock_add_icon): Don't create empty |
| 14:29.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GtkIconSources |
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| 14:34.39 | sannes | mwester: I'm actually a bit confused are there two issues or one issue? One with echo and one with a hardlock ? |
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| 14:38.52 | sannes | mwester: the -echo things works pretty well for me, it starts up all of the times I have tired thus far, but it still died later one time after I stressed it a little .. hm |
| 14:40.40 | mwester | sannes: Yes, there are multiple issues. |
| 14:41.58 | mwester | I haven't attemped any stress tests, so I'm sure there are many more issues in the code. The latest patch (stty -echo) is simply to get it to start reliably. |
| 14:43.43 | mwester | I don't think there are any "official" images with the fixes; we haven't had an official image for a number of weeks now. I have an image with these (and a few other) fixes: http://www.mwester.net/moko |
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| 14:44.34 | ScaredyCat | are your patches ommited? |
| 14:44.37 | ScaredyCat | committed |
| 14:45.08 | mwester | committed to what? |
| 14:45.24 | sannes | mwester: Heh, an annoying issue I noticed is that if I call the neo and hang up right away, the ring tone + vibrations just continues on and on and on :P |
| 14:45.26 | ScaredyCat | svn |
| 14:46.37 | mwester | The "workaround" patches to /etc/init.d/gsmd are commited to the OE repository. I have no access to SVN, and I'm still trying to figure out the official process to getting patches into the system. |
| 14:47.06 | mwester | Roh provided some pointers yesterday, I guess I need to send them to a mailing list in addition to (or instead of) bugzilla. |
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| 14:56.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03wansti * r3043 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): new ringtone |
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| 15:04.21 | Writchie | neo now drawing 630ma from USB - so much for meeting the USB specs! |
| 15:04.49 | cb22 | Writchie, what's it doing? |
| 15:05.21 | Writchie | it was idle in my bag for two days, just plugged it in and it started charging at 630ma and then booted up |
| 15:05.32 | Writchie | still charging at 630ma |
| 15:05.36 | cb22 | Writchie, thats odd.. |
| 15:05.39 | SpeedEvil | how are you measuring that? |
| 15:05.50 | cb22 | using lsusb or something? |
| 15:05.52 | SpeedEvil | And have you fiddled with any specs? |
| 15:05.54 | cb22 | those tend to lie |
| 15:05.57 | SpeedEvil | lsusb can't tell you |
| 15:06.05 | SpeedEvil | at least in most cases. |
| 15:06.11 | Writchie | DVM in series with +5 usb - haven't changed a single thing |
| 15:06.13 | cb22 | windows told me my external 120gb laptop hdd was using 90mw |
| 15:06.22 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: fair enough. |
| 15:06.41 | Writchie | i just unplugged one neo and put the other one in expected to find the battery flat |
| 15:07.11 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: have you been fiddling with any settings? |
| 15:07.41 | Writchie | nothing on that device |
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| 15:07.57 | cb22 | so, some neo's like 50ma, others like 650... |
| 15:08.14 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: in fact I was getting ready to test my fix to the 50ma problem ! |
| 15:08.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:08.44 | cb22 | i'd rather have mine use 650 then 50, thats for sure! |
| 15:08.51 | cb22 | at least it will charge with GSM on |
| 15:09.22 | Writchie | I have the fix for the 50ma to at least make it 100ma, - it was a bug in u-boot |
| 15:10.36 | SpeedEvil | 6500! I want it to charge in 10 mins. |
| 15:10.38 | Writchie | pulled usb and re-inserted - still at 620ma. |
| 15:10.58 | Writchie | me too - fast charger with fan |
| 15:11.01 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Odd. |
| 15:11.04 | Writchie | 2C |
| 15:11.10 | SpeedEvil | There are actually cells that can do that. |
| 15:11.17 | SpeedEvil | But they are 1/2 the capacity or so. |
| 15:11.28 | mwester | SpeedEvil: You're too conservative. 65A - charge in 1 min. |
| 15:11.30 | Writchie | NimH is pretty good for that |
| 15:11.39 | SpeedEvil | No - not NiMH - lithium-ion |
| 15:11.41 | Writchie | but i'll take 1C for now |
| 15:11.56 | Writchie | the neo battery is actually pretty good |
| 15:12.03 | SpeedEvil | There are a new breed of cells coming out - from 'a123' - they are in some Dewalt power tools. |
| 15:12.04 | cb22 | Writchie, so, you can actually tweak how much power the neo draws? |
| 15:12.23 | SpeedEvil | A 25mm * 50mm long cell can provide 70A at 3V |
| 15:12.33 | SpeedEvil | And that's the 'continuous' rate |
| 15:12.37 | SpeedEvil | 120A pulse |
| 15:12.39 | Writchie | cb22: the fast charge level is set by resistors on the hardware |
| 15:12.57 | cb22 | but the slow charge level is adjustable? |
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| 15:13.08 | SpeedEvil | as a proportion of the fast rate |
| 15:13.13 | Writchie | but you can set the trickle/precharge in the PM chip in 0.05 * fastcharge increments |
| 15:13.21 | cb22 | nifty |
| 15:13.48 | Writchie | the defaults are set (correctly) for 0.1C assuming you fast charge at 1C |
| 15:14.00 | Writchie | but the neo fast charges at 0.5C |
| 15:14.12 | SpeedEvil | less than 0.5C |
| 15:14.26 | SpeedEvil | as in most cases, when it's on, it's using a large fraction of the power |
| 15:14.28 | Writchie | I would guess about 0.43 |
| 15:15.12 | Writchie | it would be nice to have the actual schematics |
| 15:15.16 | SpeedEvil | Initially, it may be >input current charging - due to the lower voltage. |
| 15:15.22 | SpeedEvil | and the step-down converter |
| 15:15.50 | Writchie | i'm not actually sure what mode the battery charger operates in or how efficient |
| 15:15.58 | SpeedEvil | That's a point. |
| 15:16.14 | SpeedEvil | I don't actually know it's a buck converter. May be dropping it over an R or something |
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| 15:18.08 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: looks like a FET in linear mode |
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| 15:19.55 | ace | how can I turn off X11 to start up when booting? |
| 15:20.18 | mwester | Splash screen, or you just want the GUI to not start at all? |
| 15:20.29 | ace | well, GUI |
| 15:20.34 | ace | but splash is interesting too |
| 15:20.37 | ace | :) |
| 15:20.56 | ace | I went back to 2007.01 to make my exe run again |
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| 15:21.56 | mwester | You can change some command line parameters when you boot, or you can just rename the startup files in /etc/init.d |
| 15:22.43 | ace | where exatcly? |
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| 15:24.09 | mwester | Not sure on the 2007.01 image. /etc/init.d/xsomethingorother on the current image. |
| 15:24.30 | ace | /etc/init.d/X11? |
| 15:24.45 | ace | woops |
| 15:24.57 | ace | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm |
| 15:24.58 | ace | ? |
| 15:25.08 | mwester | The last one is more likely. |
| 15:25.31 | ace | what to do with the file? |
| 15:25.35 | mwester | Rename it. |
| 15:26.26 | ace | I just added exit 0 in the beginning :) |
| 15:26.55 | mwester | Ok, that'll work too. |
| 15:26.55 | ace | where does it say that this particular file is supposed to run? |
| 15:27.07 | ace | isnt it enough that its in the directory? |
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| 15:27.25 | mwester | This is part of the standard Linux boot process. |
| 15:28.12 | mwester | Symlinks in the /etc/rc<n>.d directories point to these files, the startup runs the files based on the names of the symlinks in the appropriate rc<n>.d directory. |
| 15:29.09 | Writchie | just made a perfect call and sms during call - no problems, no echo, no gsm packet burst noise! Just need working PM and neo will be usable as a phone! |
| 15:29.25 | ace | aha |
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| 15:30.11 | mwester | Writchie: which base image, and what are the magic patches for all that? |
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| 15:30.19 | jpcass | ace: typically you just rename the link from /etc/rc5.d/Snn to /etc/rc5.d/Knn |
| 15:30.28 | Writchie | mwester: just stock qtopia |
| 15:30.44 | ace | ok |
| 15:30.46 | mwester | Ah, ok - I thought you meant OpenMoko. :( |
| 15:31.10 | Writchie | the only magic was setting the mixer setting for sidetone using alsamixer and and added a state restore - as posted on the wiki |
| 15:31.32 | Writchie | mwester: and turning suspend off - |
| 15:32.39 | Writchie | mwester: expected batter life 2 -3 hours |
| 15:33.16 | Writchie | mwester: lots of little things not working - but it is usuable as a phone. |
| 15:35.08 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: I'm wondering if backup battery could have gone dead and lost settings in PM chip? |
| 15:36.12 | psymin | I'm pretty clumsy. Anyone know how rugged the Neo1973 is? |
| 15:37.44 | Writchie | psymin: pretty similar to other smartphones |
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| 15:38.47 | Writchie | OK: now the slow charge is 60ma and the fast-charge 600ma |
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| 15:41.49 | Writchie | my bad! Keeping DVM in the loop for all these weeks has caused its battery to go flat leading to false readings. |
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| 15:47.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:49.18 | Writchie | BTW - pictures on neo are gorgeous |
| 15:51.49 | mwester | We need to create some alternate themes. The brown neo thing doesn't do justice to the display! |
| 15:51.59 | mwester | At least wallpaper, to start. |
| 15:52.03 | Writchie | avk |
| 15:52.08 | Writchie | ack |
| 15:53.19 | Writchie | mwester: priority should remain on basics |
| 15:54.28 | mwester | Yeah, but when your head is about to explode from wading through code, it's sometimes fun to do something just for aesthetics and nothing more... :) |
| 16:00.03 | Writchie | mwester: ;) |
| 16:00.48 | Writchie | hmmm: everytime I access voicemail I get a blank SMS from the VM server - must be a binary message not handled by qtopia |
| 16:02.02 | torpor | sup folks |
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| 16:05.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3045 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/ (. patches/): Copy 2.6.22.x patches as a base for 2.6.23.x |
| 16:07.30 | torpor | mwester: please do that. |
| 16:07.36 | torpor | make a nice theme. |
| 16:07.39 | torpor | or steal the one from qtopia.. |
| 16:08.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3046 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (16 files): Resync with 2.6.23-rc8 |
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| 16:09.53 | mwester | Hmm... looks like a kernel upgrade is in the works, perhaps. |
| 16:10.31 | mwester | I need to find the person(s) who can push a few kernel patches into that kernel upgrade. |
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| 16:11.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3047 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (3 files): Drop patches which have been merged |
| 16:12.53 | Shoragan | mwester, which patches? |
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| 16:13.50 | mwester | Shoragan: High on the list would be the one in bug 788 |
| 16:14.56 | mwester | Shoragan: I'd also like to include a kexec patch (to make kexec actually work, since we have it enabled in the kernel) |
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| 16:15.26 | mwester | Shoragan: I can provide the patches, or even commit them as patches to the current kernel in OE. |
| 16:16.03 | Shoragan | bug 788 will have to wait for haralds review |
| 16:16.14 | mwester | That's sort of what I thought. |
| 16:16.53 | mwester | As long as it's on somebody's list so that it doesn't get lost -- the current workaround is fragile, at best. |
| 16:17.18 | Shoragan | it won't get lost, harald is just busy right now |
| 16:17.45 | mwester | Ok. So, should I open a bug and attach the kexec patches, or is there an email alias I should use instead? |
| 16:17.51 | Shoragan | if you have a patch for kexec, please post it to the bugzilla |
| 16:18.00 | mwester | Ok. |
| 16:18.04 | Shoragan | or post it the the kernel list |
| 16:18.09 | Shoragan | both should be file |
| 16:18.11 | Shoragan | fine |
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| 16:23.54 | mrcucumber | Anyone know when the GTA02 will become available? |
| 16:24.34 | mrcucumber | I'm kind of going insane with anticipation |
| 16:24.50 | mjr | when it's done |
| 16:24.59 | mjr | wishful thinking goes that around Christmas |
| 16:25.13 | mrcucumber | even for the developer version? |
| 16:25.56 | guaqua | maybe not |
| 16:25.59 | mrcucumber | Last word we had from FIC said october, is that out the window for a developer release for sure? |
| 16:26.12 | guaqua | i'm thinking so |
| 16:26.25 | guaqua | though i haven't been following the news that actively lately |
| 16:26.48 | aloril | (script) planet: Thomas Wood: (Partial) TV Fame http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/09/26/partial-tv-fame/ |
| 16:26.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Java]] |
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| 16:32.07 | mrcucumber | guaqua:that's the thing, I don't think their has been any news :( |
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| 16:34.47 | Jiten | mrcucumber: one of the openmoko guys said december in a speech at a recent event. |
| 16:34.53 | Jiten | in germany I think. |
| 16:35.35 | mrcucumber | December!? ugggggg |
| 16:36.11 | nbd | hrm... this time openembedded fails to build glib |
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| 16:44.07 | bedboi | mwester: there? |
| 16:44.14 | bedboi | can you give me the links? |
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| 16:48.46 | mwester | http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 16:48.51 | mwester | (should work) |
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| 17:11.18 | orzo | hi |
| 17:11.34 | orzo | i havent been doing so much with the neo |
| 17:11.57 | orzo | i put mpd on it and made a gtk mpd client for playing mp3s and oggs |
| 17:12.15 | orzo | anybody have any interest in that? |
| 17:12.27 | orzo | just figure i should share something heh |
| 17:13.27 | orzo | it makes 4 big buttons and displays the song title |
| 17:13.47 | orzo | it should probably be extended to allow editing the playlist and such |
| 17:14.07 | orzo | i don't like the openmoko interface very much |
| 17:14.13 | riot | orzo: sounds nice. Got an ipkg? |
| 17:14.22 | orzo | not, no i didnt package it |
| 17:14.36 | riot | is it in c? |
| 17:14.40 | orzo | ya |
| 17:14.46 | orzo | or c++ |
| 17:14.49 | orzo | i think it was c++ |
| 17:14.54 | orzo | but its just gtk if so |
| 17:15.00 | orzo | not gtk-- or something |
| 17:15.40 | orzo | give me an email and i'll send you teh source later |
| 17:15.43 | orzo | its not handy at the moment |
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| 17:16.04 | LarstiQ | orzo: how hard would it be to extend that client to xmms2 you think? |
| 17:16.48 | orzo | does xmms2 provide a c library for playing pausing and skipping back and forward to the next song? |
| 17:16.57 | orzo | if so, it would probably be pretty trivial |
| 17:17.18 | LarstiQ | orzo: it does |
| 17:17.45 | orzo | ok |
| 17:17.58 | orzo | so you guys want me to put this up somewhere |
| 17:18.02 | orzo | maybe package it |
| 17:18.06 | LarstiQ | orzo: yes please |
| 17:18.20 | orzo | ok |
| 17:18.28 | orzo | probably this weekend |
| 17:18.58 | orzo | do we already have a central place to host these projects? |
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| 17:20.37 | LarstiQ | orzo: I guess you could use projects.openmoko.org, but I'm personally really not a fan of gforge |
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| 17:21.45 | LarstiQ | orzo: are you looking for code hosting and such, or just a place to mention it so people can find it? |
| 17:22.05 | orzo | both |
| 17:22.09 | orzo | is there a wiki page? |
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| 17:22.57 | orzo | it's pretty basic right now, not fancy at all |
| 17:23.05 | LarstiQ | orzo: if there is I don't know it, but it _is_ a wiki ;) |
| 17:23.25 | orzo | ok |
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| 17:24.28 | orzo | i was thinking to add a button that would just put the entire music library into the current playlist |
| 17:24.41 | orzo | or maybe just make it do that on start up if the playlist is empty |
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| 17:25.54 | orzo | ultimately i was thinking it could work with other mpd daemons to search songs and sync with external databases |
| 17:26.18 | orzo | maybe that's overkill |
| 17:26.19 | orzo | heh |
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| 17:27.28 | orzo | i suppose when the next set of phones come out, it would be handy to use as a remote for a desktop playing music |
| 17:27.56 | orzo | i dont have bluetooth so its not handy for that currently |
| 17:27.58 | orzo | heh |
| 17:28.56 | orzo | does anybody have any hacks to make the neo last longer away from a charger? |
| 17:28.56 | LarstiQ | orzo: that is exactly why I want xmms2 support |
| 17:29.24 | orzo | is xmms2 more conducive to that use than mpd? |
| 17:29.32 | orzo | i've not used xmms2 |
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| 17:31.17 | orzo | the syncing would be more useful to me currently |
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| 17:32.52 | riot | orzo: om.riot@resisty.org thanks yer |
| 17:33.10 | riot | orzo: or post a link :) |
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| 17:33.52 | orzo | ok |
| 17:36.32 | orzo | i'd like a gui interface for controlling the backlight and a simpler way to manage the speakers than the console ap alsamixer |
| 17:36.55 | torpor | there's a prefs app being written |
| 17:37.01 | torpor | i've seen shots at scap |
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| 17:37.32 | orzo | scap? |
| 17:41.22 | orzo | i'd like a full screen stroke recognizer |
| 17:41.55 | SpeedEvil | I'd like the stroke thingy to support rotational trimming |
| 17:42.11 | orzo | well i want it to be over the top of the aps |
| 17:42.17 | orzo | instead of a seperate blank pad |
| 17:42.19 | SpeedEvil | that too |
| 17:42.34 | orzo | is there a plan for that? |
| 17:42.38 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 17:44.35 | orzo | i'm not on any mailing list heh |
| 17:44.56 | orzo | is there a list where they announce new official test images we can install? |
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| 18:27.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[User:Ttz]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 18:30.40 | bedboi | mwester: hmmm |
| 18:30.47 | bedboi | i'm just checking your image |
| 18:32.25 | bedboi | it seems not to work |
| 18:32.41 | bedboi | it boots but it's not getting input from the touch screen |
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| 18:37.10 | mwester | bedboi: did you check the md5sum? |
| 18:43.32 | bedboi | yep |
| 18:43.35 | bedboi | it's correct |
| 18:44.02 | jpcass | orzo: im interested in the same thing - there's a page on the wiki with input method ideas, I think its already mentioned there, if not add it! |
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| 18:45.45 | bedboi | i can't access ssh |
| 18:46.03 | jpcass | orzo: i compiled glurp for the neo but its not nice, i think there are some ugly hard-coded sizes in it that mean it doesnt fit the screen well.. |
| 18:46.05 | mwester | bedboi: what can I say? "It Works For Me(tm)" |
| 18:46.08 | bedboi | ehehe |
| 18:46.10 | bedboi | let's see |
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| 18:50.03 | mwester | Did you do the "nand erase rootfs" prior to flashing the new rootfs? |
| 18:51.17 | bedboi | http://www.cartoonbank.com/assets/1/120707_m.gif |
| 18:51.17 | bedboi | lol |
| 18:51.31 | bedboi | the loop |
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| 19:00.30 | bedboi | mwester: it's very weird |
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| 19:07.07 | mwester | bedboi: did you flash _both_ the kernel and the jffs2? |
| 19:07.20 | bedboi | OH MY GOD |
| 19:07.21 | bedboi | :) |
| 19:07.36 | bedboi | mwester: blame me please |
| 19:07.44 | bedboi | i'm working too much |
| 19:07.52 | bedboi | 16 hrs/day it's too much |
| 19:08.50 | mwester | hehe! Were you running the old 2.6.21 kernel, or the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 19:09.17 | mwester | I know the modules won't match on the old 2.6.21, but I'm not sure if they'll work with the generic 2.6.22 kernel... |
| 19:10.17 | bedboi | no .22 |
| 19:10.25 | bedboi | but not yours |
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| 19:11.53 | mwester | Ok. Yep, I bumped the PR # in the kernel recipe - the actual modules should be identical. |
| 19:12.05 | bedboi | yep |
| 19:12.26 | bedboi | i got confused because the file name was the same |
| 19:14.14 | bedboi | man it's still the same |
| 19:14.36 | mwester | Yeah, I see -- only the kernel has the R2.1 string in it, so there's no obvious difference in the JFFS image that marks the kernel that the modules in the image match. |
| 19:15.37 | mwester | I'll make a note to not bump the kernel PR next time, so that the generic kernel will work with the jffs2 image (although the kernel patches won't be there, of course). |
| 19:15.40 | bedboi | i have to fist flash the kernel and then the jffs2 |
| 19:16.01 | mwester | Oh, you can just flash the kernel at this point. |
| 19:16.15 | bedboi | maybe i have to erase the image |
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| 19:29.45 | jpcass | anyone using bitbake's devshell to interactively build packages? |
| 19:30.54 | Ghiottone | I tried it once but did not understand how it works :( |
| 19:31.13 | Ghiottone | I use bitbake -i |
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| 19:31.39 | jpcass | Im getting errors list environment variables not set etc. |
| 19:31.52 | jpcass | what is bitbake -i? |
| 19:32.50 | bedboi | oh my god, the scary sound |
| 19:33.02 | Ghiottone | interactive bitbake. it is not a devshell but let me rebuild packages much quicker as it does not have to reparse the packages every time |
| 19:33.09 | bedboi | mwester: erasing before flashing did the trick |
| 19:38.51 | thseiler | Ghiottone: a quick question: I saw your experiments with bootchart. Very cool. Have you found out why the IO is zero ? is it that mtd is not present in /proc/diskstats ? |
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| 19:41.08 | Ghiottone | thseiler, thanks. It is present. I don't know why it is zero. Our best guess is that NAND is very fast |
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| 19:42.20 | Ghiottone | tuukkah said that in an experiment with boot from SD IO stats were visible |
| 19:42.42 | Ghiottone | actually I'm trying to optimize bootchart to have more accurate results |
| 19:43.19 | thseiler | cool. I think it might be that the mtd does not update the iostats in the kernel. |
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| 19:44.01 | thseiler | It was interesting to see that the CPU is always at 100% and the JFFS is compressed, to it would be interesting to see how much cpu is spent in the decompression... |
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| 19:46.59 | Ghiottone | thseiler, ehm I double checked the logs and actually it seems that mtdbblock stats are zero at the end of the boot phase |
| 19:47.14 | Ghiottone | thseiler, I must have read the wrong line the first time I saw them |
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| 19:48.15 | Ghiottone | thseiler, cpu at 100% could be also for bootchartd getting stats. that's why I'm trying to optimize it |
| 19:48.58 | thseiler | Ghiottone: Interesting... So the mtdblock driver does not update iostats then. |
| 19:49.32 | thseiler | Ghiottone: yeah, i see, this is clearly also a possibility for 100% CPU. |
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| 19:52.35 | Ghiottone | thseiler, I'm about to put in my repo the optimized version, just have to fix a config file. if you want you can try experimenting too |
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| 19:54.52 | thseiler | Ghiottone: I would love to do so ! |
| 19:55.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3048 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (12 files): Fix includes and follow the api changes |
| 19:57.42 | _diego__ | have anybody tried to debug something on neo? |
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| 20:00.55 | Shoragan | _diego_, you have to install the debug packages |
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| 20:02.10 | _diego__ | i have installed matchbox-panel-2-dbg and also some library with -dbg, but seems it doesn't matter |
| 20:04.02 | _diego__ | ie: Reading symbols from /lib/libgcc_s.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
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| 20:05.01 | _diego__ | Shoragan: any ideas? |
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| 20:06.32 | Shoragan | hmm, there have been some problems with gdb on the neo, i'm not sure if they have be solved |
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| 20:28.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Main_Page]] |
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| 20:51.31 | cb22 | psymin, ATM |
| 20:51.51 | psymin | nifty |
| 20:52.20 | mjr | oh they got those out at least? |
| 20:52.25 | mjr | how much do they go for |
| 20:52.32 | mjr | still, I'll likely hold on until 8 |
| 20:52.35 | psymin | $99 according to wikipedia |
| 20:53.02 | mjr | (what with the neo still needing a lotta love and all, too) |
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| 20:54.25 | psymin | I wonder if 400mhz is fast enough to watch a DVD .. |
| 20:59.48 | abraxa_ | psymin: Nop |
| 21:00.25 | cb22 | psymin, a 450mhz i386 can |
| 21:00.29 | cb22 | not sure about arm |
| 21:01.01 | mjr | pretty damn sure it won't |
| 21:01.09 | mjr | recode it to mpeg-4, though, and play with the gpu... |
| 21:01.13 | mjr | (given driver support) |
| 21:01.15 | psymin | Oh well :) |
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| 21:06.32 | Ghiottone | thseiler|away, I have put the package online in my repository. its name is litebootchart |
| 21:07.56 | Shoragan | it seems that the uImage produced by 2.6.23-rc8 is not being compressed |
| 21:08.11 | Shoragan | does anyone have an idea why this has changed? |
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| 21:15.54 | thseiler | Ghiottone: thank you! |
| 21:16.34 | Ghiottone | thseiler, thank you for testing it. please let me know if it works and the resultsyou get! |
| 21:19.04 | thseiler | Ghiottone: as soon as my neo is charged enough to boot again :-P |
| 21:19.25 | Ghiottone | great! |
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| 21:19.58 | Ghiottone | to launch it I give this command to the neo via cutecom: |
| 21:20.01 | Ghiottone | setenv bootargs_base rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 init=/sbin/bootchartd |
| 21:20.05 | Ghiottone | boot |
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| 21:22.03 | thseiler | Ghiottone: thanks, I always wondered how to change the kernel cmd line in uboot... |
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| 21:25.40 | atoponce | sweet. there is an openmoko channel |
| 21:26.20 | Ghiottone | welcome atoponce |
| 21:27.09 | atoponce | :) |
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| 21:29.18 | |R | mjr : http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/22/toshiba-announces-32gb-16gb-sdhc-cards/ |
| 21:29.31 | |R | here you go, 8GB micro SDHC :) |
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| 21:35.54 | nbd | does anybody have an idea how to get past the glib 2.14.0 compile error (automake craps out)? |
| 21:36.34 | mwester | Works For Me(tm) |
| 21:36.42 | mwester | Do you have a pastebin of the error? |
| 21:37.04 | nbd | i'll make one |
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| 21:38.32 | nbd | mwester: http://nbd.name/glib2_crap.txt |
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| 21:40.55 | thseiler | nbd: it looks like you have installed automake version 1.4, but the glib wants automake 1.7 |
| 21:40.58 | mwester | OpenMoko builds glib-2.0 2.12.12 |
| 21:41.09 | nbd | thseiler: earlier i tried 1.9 |
| 21:41.15 | nbd | i'll try 1.7 now |
| 21:41.35 | nbd | mwester: directfb-something required glib 2.14 |
| 21:41.51 | thseiler | nbd: the question is why does your setup want to build 2.14 ? |
| 21:42.09 | nbd | i tried it manually, because some package in the default selection needs it |
| 21:42.21 | nbd | it built 2.12 already, that worked |
| 21:42.33 | nbd | but because of the package that needs 2.14, i tried to get 2.14 compiled |
| 21:42.59 | mwester | are you trying to use pango-directfb then? |
| 21:43.20 | mwester | Or are you just trying to get a standard, normal build of OM to work? |
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| 21:43.46 | nbd | i'm just trying to get a normal build to work |
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| 21:44.03 | nbd | it automatically tried to pango-directfb |
| 21:44.03 | mwester | Ah, ok. I have bad news for you then. (and some good news, too) |
| 21:44.14 | mwester | The good news is that the problem is fixed. |
| 21:44.38 | mwester | The bad news is that you need to blow away your tmp directory and everything beneath it, and start a build from scratch. |
| 21:44.46 | nbd | again? |
| 21:44.49 | nbd | i just did that yesterday |
| 21:44.51 | nbd | *sigh* |
| 21:44.59 | mwester | The problem just appeared yesterday. |
| 21:45.12 | mwester | You (and I) are the lucky ones who tripped on it. |
| 21:45.26 | nbd | ok |
| 21:45.38 | nbd | why is there no way to do this without nuking everything? |
| 21:45.45 | nbd | this thing takes *ages* to build |
| 21:45.59 | mwester | Your staging area has bad stuff in it already. |
| 21:46.11 | nbd | yeah, but can't i nuke the specific parts manually? |
| 21:47.01 | mwester | And there's no real way to know which packages were affected -- autoconf may have configured several packages differently because it saw bits of directfb support in the staging area. |
| 21:47.15 | Shoragan | ndb, did you set BB_NUMBER_THREADS? |
| 21:47.21 | mwester | I think someone, somewhere could sort it out, but I don't know who. |
| 21:47.29 | nbd | Shoragan: i used the defaults for everything |
| 21:47.42 | Shoragan | i don't think that is default yet |
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| 21:47.49 | nbd | so i did not set it |
| 21:47.50 | nbd | ;) |
| 21:47.58 | Shoragan | it helps a lot |
| 21:48.00 | mwester | Do you have a dual-core cpu? |
| 21:48.04 | nbd | nope |
| 21:48.27 | Shoragan | then use BB_NUMBER_THREADS = 2 in conf/local.conf |
| 21:49.03 | nbd | i think i'll keep it to 1, because i want to get other work done on this server |
| 21:49.12 | nbd | stuff that does not take as long as openembedded stuff ;) |
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| 21:49.53 | mwester | hehe! My build box is a mythtv capture machine as well, it doesn't capture video too well when the # of threads is set too high. |
| 21:50.15 | mwester | If I have a recording scheduled, I need to leave one of the cores free to do other work. |
| 21:50.22 | Shoragan | ndb, mickey is working on a 'standalone' sdk, which can be used to build packages without oe/bitbake |
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| 22:16.01 | berkus | good time of day everyone |
| 22:16.19 | mwester | ~ugt |
| 22:16.20 | apt | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 22:16.30 | mwester | Good Morning |
| 22:16.33 | berkus | i'm still having this one pesky question: is there a word on shipments yet? :) |
| 22:17.03 | mwester | The word is: no |
| 22:17.13 | berkus | damn :( |
| 22:17.13 | Writchie | not today |
| 22:17.14 | mwester | No information |
| 22:17.28 | nbd | rebuilding the whole tree now. i guess that means no playing with openmoko today |
| 22:18.02 | mwester | nbd: do you just need a recent image, or do you need the build tree? |
| 22:18.18 | nbd | i want to have the build tree as well |
| 22:18.49 | nbd | so that i have a proper reference when i'm doing my driver work in a different build system ;) |
| 22:19.08 | mwester | Ok. I put a patched snapshot up for those who want to play with something better than the older images. (http://moko.mwester.net/) |
| 22:19.22 | nbd | thanks. i might give that a try later |
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| 22:27.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Wikipedia_Mirror]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List]] [[Mokopedia]] |
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| 22:28.55 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 22:30.09 | pavelm | Is there any progress at making qtopia work alongside rest of openmoko, nicely? I found out I can just copy /opt from their qtopia images, and /media/card/qtopia/etc/init.d/qpe start & killall xinit gets me to qtopia, but there's no easy way back, and it would be really better to run both of them at the same time... |
| 22:30.56 | pavelm | ...plus, I found out there's new "media player" in new images, any hints how to use it? It demands I create playlist... |
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| 22:39.00 | berkus | pavelm: ummm.. then create playlist? :) |
| 22:40.50 | pavelm | berkus: :-) I did not figure out how to do that :-) |
| 22:44.06 | pavelm | Plus, I noticed that vibrations do not seem to work recently. Did my vibration motor break, or is there something wrong in the software? |
| 22:44.59 | berkus | pavelm: erm, no idea on the playlist thing. it probably should show a dialog to do it, no? |
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| 22:47.09 | pavelm | berkus: Hmm, it says "enter name of playlist to create", but it dies if I try it... |
| 22:47.39 | berkus | it's a dead application then |
| 22:48.33 | pavelm | ...it seems to need ~root/playlists |
| 22:49.12 | berkus | maybe just do chmod magic for testing? |
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| 22:50.58 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3049 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (explicitly-link-notes-section.patch series): |
| 22:50.58 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix linking problem by explicitly allocating a .notes section in vmlinux. This |
| 22:50.58 | CIA-23 | openmoko: should probably go upstream. |
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| 22:59.35 | Ghiottone | pavelm, mkdir /root/playlists |
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| 23:14.40 | sid | So when can I buy a phone with openmoko that works in the USA? |
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| 23:18.41 | SpeedEvil | GSM works in the USA |
| 23:18.47 | SpeedEvil | So today. |
| 23:18.57 | SpeedEvil | Coverage is variable in a few locations. |
| 23:20.06 | SpeedEvil | some providers are CDMA only, so you can't use them of course. |
| 23:20.24 | SpeedEvil | however, the currently available phone is _not_ suitable for users |
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| 23:22.04 | Aria | sid: I've used mine in the USA |
| 23:23.06 | bedboi | a propose, can you try to drop me a missed call? |
| 23:23.15 | bedboi | to the openmoko? |
| 23:23.31 | bedboi | +393291680456 |
| 23:23.32 | bedboi | anyone |
| 23:25.03 | SpeedEvil | 'customer not available - please try again later' |
| 23:26.19 | cb22 | +39? italy? |
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| 23:26.35 | SpeedEvil | I think it sounded italian - the first message |
| 23:26.58 | SpeedEvil | and the last word definately may have been 'thank you' in italian. |
| 23:28.33 | bedboi | yep |
| 23:28.36 | bedboi | but i'm in usa |
| 23:28.52 | ljp | poor guy |
| 23:28.58 | sid | Aria: Your what? |
| 23:29.04 | bedboi | ljp: yep |
| 23:29.06 | sid | SpeedEvil: Where can I buy the phone? |
| 23:29.06 | Aria | My neo1973 |
| 23:29.11 | bedboi | ljp: btw i'm going back in 10 days |
| 23:29.13 | cb22 | hmm, looks like SpeedEvil and ScaredyCat are leading the polls :) |
| 23:29.15 | sid | You can buy a completed Neo1973? |
| 23:29.28 | bedboi | eating pasta, playing mandolino, and singing "O, sole mio" |
| 23:29.35 | SpeedEvil | If you want to buy one, and can't figure it out from the topic, you probably shouldn't. |
| 23:30.04 | SpeedEvil | Calls only started working reliably (apparenltly) with versions of the software in the last week. |
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| 23:30.22 | SpeedEvil | (that may not be available on the build, I'm unsure) |
| 23:31.07 | cb22 | say, has anyone tracked down the burning neo without battery smell? |
| 23:31.18 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 23:31.19 | SpeedEvil | 2A? |
| 23:31.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 23:31.34 | cb22 | i heard that if you plug one in |
| 23:31.38 | cb22 | and it has no battery inside |
| 23:31.45 | cb22 | you get a rather nasty burning smell |
| 23:31.50 | SpeedEvil | That's bad. |
| 23:31.56 | cb22 | yep |
| 23:32.05 | cb22 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Things_not_to_do_with_your_Neo |
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| 23:36.20 | sid | Will the hardware design change at all? |
| 23:36.22 | sid | or is that finalized? |
| 23:36.34 | sid | If I buy this, will there be some great addition to it in a month? |
| 23:37.26 | Aria | Wifi when the GTA02 is released. |
| 23:37.31 | Aria | And accelerometers. |
| 23:37.33 | SpeedEvil | maybe december |
| 23:37.38 | SpeedEvil | and 3d accel |
| 23:38.04 | roh | sid currently gta02 is developed which will have quite some updates (besides the case) |
| 23:38.45 | cb22 | roh, will it be out by christmas? |
| 23:38.48 | cb22 | hopefully? |
| 23:39.14 | Aria | I'm really hoping to get the GTA01 working happily and then pass it off to my father, and then go to the Wifi model myself. |
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| 23:39.23 | roh | cb22 i hope so, but i cannot and will not promise it (sadly) |
| 23:39.27 | bedboi | i don't believe in Santa Claus since i was 6 |
| 23:39.37 | cb22 | Aria, haha, give the old one to your dad |
| 23:39.58 | Aria | cb22: Hey, he passes his old toys to me... |
| 23:40.02 | cb22 | if i had to give my dad one, he would stare at me blankly and say 'whats this?' before throwing it on the ground |
| 23:40.05 | roh | bedboi he exists, and sometimes brings you hardware you paid by yourself *ducks* |
| 23:40.22 | bedboi | roh: what a useless guy |
| 23:40.22 | cb22 | roh, m'kay. i suppose thats your misquote protection :) |
| 23:40.30 | bedboi | roh: i'll use UPS then |
| 23:40.32 | cb22 | s/santa clause/UPS/ |
| 23:40.35 | bedboi | ahaha |
| 23:40.35 | cb22 | bah |
| 23:40.39 | cb22 | beat me to it |
| 23:41.04 | bedboi | <bedboi> roh: i'll use UPS then |
| 23:41.04 | bedboi | <cb22> s/santa clause/UPS/ |
| 23:41.06 | bedboi | i won |
| 23:41.19 | bedboi | btw it's impossible to know, because of lag |
| 23:41.37 | roh | cb22 well.. i'm sitting in the best bar in town, and are quite drunk, so don't quote me at all ;) |
| 23:41.40 | bedboi | yep you are increasing it. |
| 23:41.51 | bedboi | roh: good plan |
| 23:41.58 | bedboi | i should do something like that |
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| 23:42.04 | bedboi | i'm working too much |
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| 23:42.15 | cb22 | roh, .... |
| 23:42.17 | roh | bedboi well, you'll need a bar with wifi then |
| 23:42.20 | cb22 | and you are on irc? |
| 23:42.28 | bedboi | roh: here all bars have wifi |
| 23:42.55 | bedboi | roh: watch out, don't flood you laptop with beer |
| 23:42.59 | bedboi | it's not good at all |
| 23:43.01 | roh | i just needed to rip a dvd with a video of robodock, so i switched the machine on |
| 23:43.13 | cb22 | uh huh... |
| 23:43.26 | cb22 | Hi, my name is roh, and i'm an IRC addict.... HI roh |
| 23:43.30 | cb22 | :p |
| 23:44.59 | roh | *sigh* |
| 23:45.44 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.20 | cb22 | roh, dont worry, denial is the first stage of acceptance |
| 23:46.55 | bedboi | robodock? |
| 23:47.15 | bedboi | roh: ubuntu is stupid |
| 23:47.18 | bedboi | STUPID |
| 23:47.21 | bedboi | i hate ubuntu |
| 23:47.28 | bedboi | i was setting a mesh network |
| 23:47.39 | bedboi | that fucking auto`magical` auto connect shit |
| 23:47.52 | bedboi | it was making me thing that i had problem with the drivers |
| 23:47.57 | roh | bedboi http://laughingsquid.com/robodock-2007-an-art-technology-festival-in-amsterdam/ |
| 23:47.59 | bedboi | but it was the fucking automagic shit |
| 23:48.05 | bedboi | i hate ubuntu |
| 23:48.32 | bedboi | it always happens when you add artificial stupidity on top of the hardware |
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| 23:48.54 | bedboi | roh: cool. Freaks' stuff |
| 23:48.59 | roh | bedboi ubuntu is for the lazy if you know your way in debian and understand how it works |
| 23:49.31 | bedboi | no no |
| 23:49.36 | bedboi | i stick with debian |
| 23:50.01 | bedboi | it's quite low level, but you have still the lazyness of doing apt-get |
| 23:51.58 | roh | need to go.. bbl |
| 23:52.02 | cb22 | cheers |
| 23:52.36 | cb22 | a GPL question... If (hypothetically) Apache were under the GPL, and i modified it and used it to host a web site |
| 23:52.43 | cb22 | would i have to release the changes? |
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| 23:59.03 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 23:59.20 | SpeedEvil | you only need to release source code to those you distribute the binary to |
