| 00:00.47 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:01.10 | hads | ajmitch: Yeah, I'm just trying to track down the package(s) that it pulled in that made it work. |
| 00:02.09 | ajmitch | morning rwhitby |
| 00:03.12 | ajmitch | hads: yeah, I'm just trying to find where the packaging info is held in the build tree :) |
| 00:04.12 | hads | It's around and about by the looks, I was trying to figure out the python stuff the other day :) the standard lib stuff seems to be in openembedded/contrib/python/ |
| 00:04.14 | ajmitch | openembedded/packages/python/python-pygtk_2.10.4.bb looks like a candidate |
| 00:04.29 | hads | The other stuff is in bb files in openembedded/packages/python |
| 00:05.08 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: we should collaborate on a "openmoko-packages.bb" which lists all the additional packages that people request from OE for the third-party feeds - then we can just autobuild that and have the feeds always up to date. See openembedded/packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb for an example. |
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| 00:14.25 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r153 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Split the flash-neo-official and flash-neo-local targets into -kernel- and -rootfs- subtargets, so you can flash them independently if desired. |
| 00:14.29 | jadams | so yeah, any suggestions on filesystems for the sd card? I can't copy over ext2 directories that have symlinks in them right now |
| 00:14.33 | rwhitby | cesarb: that one's for you |
| 00:14.59 | cesarb | rwhitby: thanks |
| 00:15.51 | jadams | also, any suggestions on an image viewer package? |
| 00:16.12 | SpeedEvil | jadams mtpaint has a viewer mode |
| 00:16.17 | jadams | I have to use it to show my girlfriend a bunch of pictures of these little kittens that we went to see last week, so she'll like the phone by connection |
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| 00:16.26 | SpeedEvil | though it's two-window, which isn't really optimal. |
| 00:16.50 | jadams | I saw one of the e-libs based photo browsers on some demo from taiwan |
| 00:17.16 | SpeedEvil | jadams: why can't you copy over ext2 directories that have symlinks in them? |
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| 00:17.36 | jadams | SpeedEvil: I think the filesystem doesn't support symlinks? |
| 00:17.42 | jadams | the one on the SD card |
| 00:17.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 00:17.52 | SpeedEvil | I thought you meant ext2 diddn't. |
| 00:17.58 | jadams | oh no :) |
| 00:18.05 | SpeedEvil | ext2 should work fine |
| 00:18.13 | SpeedEvil | the card has its own internal wear-leveling |
| 00:18.15 | SpeedEvil | however. |
| 00:18.21 | jadams | ok, I'll format the other card ext2 then |
| 00:18.48 | SpeedEvil | as you may have discovered, writing large amounts of data to the card may cause the neo to stop using the SD |
| 00:18.56 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: fixed today |
| 00:18.57 | jadams | freshly flashed rootfs, trying to get python-pygtk up and going all proper |
| 00:19.03 | jadams | SpeedEvil: hadn't even noticed it |
| 00:19.03 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: :) |
| 00:19.10 | jadams | but I DID see the fix come through |
| 00:19.10 | linux_galore | yeah, I use ext2 on all my portable media (everything I have runs Linux) without issues |
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| 00:19.14 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: earlier today the bug was closed, with a patch to the kernel |
| 00:19.40 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so, all he has to do is to force-rebuild the kernel and flash it |
| 00:19.56 | hads | Anyone have a relatively clean isntalled and want to paste the contents of a `ipkg list_installed | grep -- -dev` for me? |
| 00:20.24 | SpeedEvil | hads: I assume 2007.1 is useless |
| 00:20.39 | hads | Yeah, .2 but thanks. |
| 00:20.47 | cesarb | (bitbake doesn't seem to get that a new patch was added to the kernel, so you need the force-rebuild step) |
| 00:22.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2833 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkpaned gtkrc gtkscrollbar): add at least basic reasonable sizing for gtkpaned and gtkscrollbar. still needs proper theming |
| 00:22.51 | ckuethe | linux_galore: just get something that speaks PTP so gtkam can talk to it :) |
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| 00:23.05 | ckuethe | then it doesn't matter how the internal storage is formatted |
| 00:23.23 | ckuethe | even if the internal storage is a 2G MSDOGfs |
| 00:23.33 | linux_galore | ckuethe: most modern digicam now have removable sd storage |
| 00:23.46 | ckuethe | i know |
| 00:23.49 | ckuethe | like my canon |
| 00:24.34 | linux_galore | Its not a big issue for me , its more a "I dont want to pay the Microsoft fat32 tax" |
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| 00:24.58 | hhf423 | there is a fat32 tax? |
| 00:25.15 | ckuethe | not that i know of |
| 00:25.19 | linux_galore | yes, if you make a device that uses fat32 you have to pay a license fee |
| 00:25.32 | ckuethe | not enough for me to notice |
| 00:25.43 | hhf423 | does anyone know what the Neo startup sound is called? |
| 00:26.20 | linux_galore | hhf423: ? you trying to find the file |
| 00:26.39 | hhf423 | is it /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/startup_openmoko.mp3 ? |
| 00:27.38 | jadams | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.25 | hads | jadams/riot: It appears to be python-pycairo and python-pygobject that are needed to get pygtk going, all those dev packages aren't needed AFAICT |
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| 00:29.56 | hhf423 | jadams: hmmm |
| 00:30.07 | jadams | did you find it? |
| 00:30.23 | jadams | I'm in the middle of an ipkg update, and I stupidly didn't start screen up when I started this session |
| 00:30.27 | jadams | don't even have screen on it yet I bet |
| 00:30.31 | rwhitby | cesarb: whoever updated the kernel patches should have bumped the PR in the bitbake file, or changed the SRCREV to the new baseline (when that stuff gets implemented) |
| 00:30.36 | hhf423 | I want the Neo to not make a sound which wakes up the whole house when I boot it in the middle of the night |
| 00:30.46 | jadams | hhf423: did you not find that file? |
| 00:30.52 | hads | hhf423: Check planet |
| 00:31.00 | rwhitby | hhf423: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/stopping-the-openmoko-startup-sound.html |
| 00:31.02 | jadams | the path might have been off a little, but it's somewhere in /etc/pulse* |
| 00:31.03 | hhf423 | jadams: I found the file and renamed it |
| 00:31.11 | hhf423 | rwhitby: oh, thanks |
| 00:31.56 | hhf423 | jadams: /etc/pulse/session, yes |
| 00:33.04 | jadams | everybody do the cups-on-neo dance |
| 00:33.33 | jadams | and why the heck did it install libxinerama? |
| 00:35.14 | hhf423 | jadams: why, what gives? |
| 00:36.08 | jadams | hhf423: gotten it working yet? I had it going a couple of days ago |
| 00:36.17 | jadams | but I never actually routed traffic through it |
| 00:36.25 | jadams | still, I had an IP address and it seemed all hunky dory |
| 00:36.50 | jadams | hhf423: ahh, I had that... |
| 00:36.55 | jadams | really should have documented what I did |
| 00:36.56 | jadams | oh yeah |
| 00:37.00 | jadams | umm |
| 00:37.01 | hhf423 | jadams: yes, I got it up running and could ping the internets :-) |
| 00:37.03 | jadams | no, no clue...dammit |
| 00:37.19 | hhf423 | like after the tenth atteps with alwqys the same script |
| 00:37.32 | jadams | riot: now, I installed those packages and I still get no such package pygtk |
| 00:38.05 | hads | jadams: Did you see my last comment to you? |
| 00:38.25 | jadams | hads: yeah, but I've even got the whole dang thing installed and I can't 'import gtk' |
| 00:38.29 | jadams | but riot could |
| 00:39.37 | hads | Well python-pygobject provides /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pygtk.py and python-pygtk provides /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/ |
| 00:39.48 | jadams | where is gtk.py? |
| 00:40.06 | hads | It's not. |
| 00:40.15 | jadams | then how can I 'import gtk' ? |
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| 00:40.59 | hads | It's a C module. |
| 00:41.40 | jadams | hads: well, import gtk still doesn't work for me |
| 00:41.52 | jadams | I'm flashing it again because I was down to 4MB from all the crap that got installed |
| 00:42.25 | jadams | still trying to get the 'from new neo to pygtk devenv' routine down |
| 00:43.39 | jadams | but for now, burgers are a-grilling (or finishing), so I brb |
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| 00:43.50 | Aztlek | Hello |
| 00:44.10 | matthew_ | i saw a video where someone had firefox and openoffice running. |
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| 00:45.06 | Q_Continuum | I wants v2 now! lol |
| 00:45.20 | Q_Continuum | cell + voip = Teh Winz |
| 00:46.43 | matthew_ | i don't get voip personally |
| 00:47.04 | Q_Continuum | don't understand it? |
| 00:47.17 | matthew_ | don't understand the appeal |
| 00:47.22 | Q_Continuum | I want it because it runs over my internet connection - not reliant on the cell network. |
| 00:47.28 | Q_Continuum | I had 3 calls in 12 minutes drop tonight |
| 00:47.42 | Q_Continuum | and I'm 6 blocks from the 35W bridge in Minneapolis - so i'm not in a dead zone. |
| 00:47.49 | rwhitby | matthew_: the appeal is usually cost. |
| 00:47.56 | Q_Continuum | cost + reliability |
| 00:48.05 | Q_Continuum | having a second network to fall back on when the cell network goes to crap |
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| 00:48.26 | matthew_ | how is a cell internet connection going to be more reliable than a cell network connection? |
| 00:49.42 | amirikin | do you have problems with cell network service where you live |
| 00:49.55 | matthew_ | i don't get the cost appeal either. phone prices keep going down. the demand is much greater and growing monthly. |
| 00:50.17 | matthew_ | amirikin: yes, it pretty much doesn't exist where I live. |
| 00:50.53 | amirikin | what product are you talking about |
| 00:51.01 | rwhitby | matthew_: price movements vary dramatically depending on where you live in the world. |
| 00:51.28 | matthew_ | amirikin: phone service |
| 00:51.35 | cheriff | matthew_: if one already has inet (say, naked dsl) you can avoid some monthly phone charges and calls are cheaper than the telcos (here anyway). plus the ability to have you number follow you to work |
| 00:51.44 | Q_Continuum | cell phones are horrid here in america |
| 00:51.59 | Q_Continuum | locked in for 1-2 years, no way out - in my case, degrading quality without moving |
| 00:52.08 | rwhitby | Q_Continuum: at least you can get some sort of "unlimited" GPRS in the US. |
| 00:52.23 | matthew_ | cheriff: what do you mean "follow you to work"? |
| 00:52.46 | Q_Continuum | for obscene rates... |
| 00:53.06 | rwhitby | and it's the consumers that choose to be locked in. contract-free phones and pre-paid SIM cards are available - you just have to pay more for them. |
| 00:53.22 | rwhitby | "obscene" is relative. Is it more than $2c per Kb ? |
| 00:53.33 | cheriff | matthew_: i dont know the deatils, but some ppl at work have a voip account and their home phone and soft-phone at the office (or usb one) ring at the same time |
| 00:53.37 | rwhitby | (yes, Kb, not Mb) |
| 00:53.56 | matthew_ | i'm not locked in. i was locked in for the first year only, now i'm month to month. |
| 00:53.58 | cheriff | so one number gets them whereever they are |
| 00:54.33 | amirikin | i live in arkansas and we have phone service out here i cant imagine where you would live that you would have terrible problems with it |
| 00:54.54 | matthew_ | cheriff: well, one number gets me wherever I am: my cell phone number. i guess i'll just never get voip, no bother really. |
| 00:55.18 | hads | rwhitby: The casual rate here (no plan) is $11.25 per MB :) |
| 00:55.23 | cheriff | matthew_: heh, thats the other option some folks do. ditch everything but the cell :) |
| 00:59.52 | amirikin | whos the best gprs provider in the us for this thing anyways |
| 01:00.07 | sagacis | I'm using ATT |
| 01:00.18 | sagacis | I doubt they are the 'best' |
| 01:01.45 | ajmitch | hads: get it working? |
| 01:02.54 | hads | ajmitch: Yeah, there's only one or two deps missing. I'm just doing a fresh install actually to confirm as ipkg doesn't keep track of automatically installed packages and I forgot to myself. |
| 01:03.21 | ajmitch | there's always the option of looking in qemu |
| 01:03.33 | cheriff | so by default u-boot leaves the control register in cop15 set such that the core is clocked off the memory clock... |
| 01:03.48 | hads | ajmitch: Good point. |
| 01:03.55 | hhf423 | ooh, someone got abiword done for OpenMoko/Neo? |
| 01:03.59 | ajmitch | hads: already flashing? :) |
| 01:04.08 | hads | ajmitch: Already done :) |
| 01:04.11 | ajmitch | heh |
| 01:04.25 | hhf423 | oh boy |
| 01:04.36 | hads | ajmitch: I got my basic little pygtk T9 like input example going :) |
| 01:05.11 | hhf423 | this image was uploaded via GPRS: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/43f3de27ff18feb24056db00e9d8ecbd.png |
| 01:05.11 | ajmitch | hads: excellent, screenshot? :) |
| 01:05.49 | hads | Needs to be less ugly first :) |
| 01:06.31 | ajmitch | yeah, I've got to get started on some more pygtk stuff |
| 01:06.49 | hads | That's the first I've looked at it TBH. |
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| 01:09.29 | hads | The T9 like logic is excessively simple, I found it in a post to one of the python lists. |
| 01:10.06 | hads | You know, the predictive text input stuff that's on Nokia's etc. |
| 01:10.19 | ajmitch | ah right |
| 01:10.24 | ajmitch | now that would be useful |
| 01:10.36 | ajmitch | I didn't see, is dasher ported? |
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| 01:11.21 | ajmitch | though it should only take a recompile to have the app, having it integrated would be useful |
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| 01:16.58 | ajmitch | hads: tried out a >2GB microSD card yet? |
| 01:17.37 | hads | ajmitch: Na, I haven't even got mine to mount yet :) I haven't looked at it yet at all though. |
| 01:17.54 | ajmitch | there was a bug fixed today in the kernel for that |
| 01:18.05 | hads | Sweet |
| 01:18.09 | ajmitch | I should reflash the kernel & try it |
| 01:18.32 | ajmitch | though I think you can just upgrade the module package |
| 01:18.57 | cesarb | ajmitch: you have to force rebuild the kernel, however |
| 01:19.05 | cesarb | ajmitch: bitbake doesn't notice it has changed |
| 01:19.43 | cesarb | <rwhitby> cesarb: whoever updated the kernel patches should have bumped the PR in the bitbake file, or changed the SRCREV to the new baseline (when that stuff gets implemented) |
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| 01:19.57 | ajmitch | cesarb: right, I'm currently running with a 2.6.22 kernel anyway |
| 01:20.24 | cesarb | ajmitch: they also added the patch to the 2.6.22 kernel, and I think you still will need to force the rebuild |
| 01:20.28 | ajmitch | so I suspect it'll be a good idea to reflash with a 2.6.21 image & use the various standard builds |
| 01:20.44 | ajmitch | how do you select which kernel version to build, btw? |
| 01:21.37 | riot | there are only truetypefonts in the system, right? |
| 01:22.26 | hads | I think I need to erase my root partition |
| 01:24.27 | amirikin | i wonder if you could program a neo to hook up to a car kind of like a race track computer |
| 01:26.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Talk:Manually_using_GPRS]] |
| 01:26.28 | linux_galore | heh, someone is selling an mp3 player with the name iBEAT BLAXX |
| 01:26.32 | linux_galore | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/seriously%3F/a-letter-to-trekstor-re-racist-ibeat-blaxx-mp3-player-293515.php |
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| 01:27.55 | amirikin | im going to buy one and say its whole name whenever i refer to it |
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| 01:44.06 | SpeedEvil | amirikin: http://freshmeat.net/projects/megatunix/ |
| 01:44.23 | SpeedEvil | using 'port' lightly. |
| 01:46.08 | amirikin | i can see how something like that would be useful in rally |
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| 01:50.54 | riot | "I'm not drivin handsfree while talking on the phone. My phone drives, officer!" |
| 01:53.21 | hhf423 | amazing, at&t is letting loose their lawyers on the iphone unlockers |
| 01:53.35 | ckuethe | this is surprising why? |
| 01:54.17 | riot | evil folks. How could they..!? |
| 01:54.48 | hhf423 | because its weekend :-) |
| 01:54.52 | hhf423 | it was |
| 01:55.11 | hhf423 | but, no, I am not really surprised |
| 01:55.25 | riot | 0x09f91102... |
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| 01:56.32 | riot | gd n8 |
| 01:56.40 | hhf423 | good night |
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| 02:37.21 | technil | anyone missing : moko/sources/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk.__20070827.tar.gz ? |
| 02:37.42 | technil | seems like that shouldn't exist yet in my timezone.. |
| 02:38.20 | technil | (EST 22:38) |
| 02:39.07 | technil | nonetheless make openmoko-devel-image is looking for it... |
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| 03:19.11 | rwhitby | technil: it looks for source tarballs cached on the downloads server. not finding it is a common case, in which case it just goes and checks it out itself from svn |
| 03:19.19 | rwhitby | so what you are seeing is normal. |
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| 04:49.25 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:49.41 | CM | Morning |
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| 05:12.47 | linux_galore | ooh the local LUG (www.slug.org) is holding a talk on the OM |
| 05:12.58 | linux_galore | at the end of this month |
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| 05:42.25 | cheriff | Hi, has anyone played with the QVGA patches and gotten them to work? |
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| 05:56.14 | gcb77 | anyone having sound problems on the NEO? My sound isn't working, and I'm wondering if its me or something else |
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| 06:02.39 | CM | gcb77: I did, with my own builds |
| 06:02.51 | CM | gcb77: But with the offical images it works |
| 06:03.07 | CM | Maybe I'm missing some kernel modules or something |
| 06:03.30 | gcb77 | I flashed it yesterday with new kernel image, but I played MP3 after |
| 06:03.52 | CM | Ok |
| 06:04.09 | gcb77 | I played with alsamixer, that's probably what's messed up |
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| 06:09.32 | jeddy3 | gcb77, start playing something, and fiddle around in alsamixer until you hear it again :) |
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| 06:32.24 | cheriff | someone here have wiki edit privilige? |
| 06:32.39 | cheriff | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel: "The Kernel on the GTA01 is based on a vanilla 2.6.21.3 Linux kernel from kernel.org" |
| 06:32.50 | cheriff | should now be 2.6.22.1 |
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| 06:33.07 | cheriff | else patchset doesnot apply |
| 06:34.10 | hads | You should be able to register an account and edit yourself. |
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| 06:34.25 | cheriff | okay |
| 06:35.00 | hads | Hasn't it been switched back to 2.6..21 again though? |
| 06:35.58 | cheriff | one of the patches in the series attempts to modify a file found only in .22, it seems |
| 06:37.27 | cheriff | s3c_mci.patch, to be exact - the sd fixes |
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| 06:58.30 | gcb77 | whew, sound just came back :) |
| 06:58.53 | gcb77 | I tried to make a call... and when I pushed the hangup button it beeped |
| 07:01.07 | ljp | beep is good |
| 07:01.31 | gcb77 | yeah I was thinking flashing |
| 07:08.15 | jeddy3 | sweet 82 updates over the weekend :) |
| 07:08.46 | CM | jeddy3: Nice. Any significant ones? |
| 07:10.09 | jeddy3 | lets see, gtk+, lots of kernel modules, all of the openmoko-utils |
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| 07:12.20 | CM | Just flashed the 070826 images this morning, but didn't have time to look through everything :) |
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| 07:19.02 | Dmitry_Platonov | I'm getting alot of "undefined reference"s in uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0. Any solution? |
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| 07:28.37 | cw666 | has anyone seen a 'moko which fails to power up? |
| 07:30.33 | cibomahto | Dmitry_Platonov: not that i know of, maybe someone here knows better though... there is a bug report: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 |
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| 07:33.14 | cibomahto | Dmitry_Platonov: I had some minor success modifying some of the qmake files in the project by hand, but thats probably not a good way to go about it. |
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| 07:37.54 | roh | cibomahto 2 things: compile with gcc4 |
| 07:38.29 | cibomahto | roh: ok, i have been thinking about trying that |
| 07:38.31 | roh | and second: gcc3 is only needed for qemu (as well the emu for the moko as the qemu*-native for the locales) |
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| 07:40.07 | roh | also there was some bug with uicmoc lately which afaik turned out to be a unneeded dependency on xx11-libs. now it builds qt-embedded which does not need this (in the end nothing should be linked to qt, only the webkit needs the build-tools |
| 07:43.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 756 has been created by cw(AT)f00f.org |
| 07:43.02 | cdbot2 | * * Device appears to not charge or have failed |
| 07:43.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=756 |
| 07:43.45 | cibomahto | roh: maybe I am confusing things here; does the build system build a new gcc for the host as well as the target system? I said i was using gcc 3.4.6 because that is what i am using on my host pc |
| 07:44.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 757 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au |
| 07:44.01 | cdbot2 | * * Patch to openmoko-dialer to handle CREG: 2 responses |
| 07:44.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=757 |
| 07:44.05 | ScaredyCat | svn server farked ? |
| 07:44.39 | cibomahto | sorry if i am mixing things up, i am rather new to the OE environment |
| 07:44.41 | roh | cibomahto it builds a new compiler for staging the crosscompiler and the crosscompiler. i dunno which one is used for the -native stuff.. some oe guy propably knows |
| 07:44.49 | cibomahto | ok :-) |
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| 07:45.49 | rwhitby | Here is my proposed fix for the gsm registration problem: http://pastebin.ca/672048 |
| 07:47.39 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, I'm compiling with gcc 4.2.0 and getting same error in uicmoc4-native-4.3.1-r0 |
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| 07:52.10 | cibomahto | roh: it seems like it is a problem with the configuration, when i edit the qmake source for the first offending program in qt, i can get that one to compile |
| 07:53.57 | cibomahto | roh: but the rest of them are still set up incorrectly so they don't compile. the missing references are in another static library, it just doesnt get included for some reason |
| 07:55.26 | roh | i'll rebuild that package and see what happens. |
| 07:55.32 | cibomahto | ok |
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| 07:56.38 | cibomahto | thanks for looking at it |
| 07:59.21 | rwhitby | ok, with my patch at http://pastebin.ca/672064 and restarting gsmd in the matchbox session, the phone now at least registers with the network, and I get some bars on the gsm icon. |
| 08:01.22 | cibomahto | rwhitby: awesome! |
| 08:01.46 | rwhitby | no, not awesome at all. it still doesn't make a call successfully. |
| 08:02.38 | cibomahto | oh, bummer |
| 08:06.14 | roh | cibomahto nope... builds fine here |
| 08:07.23 | cibomahto | roh: ok, i will switch to a newer gcc and rebuild the environment, and see if that clears the issue. |
| 08:08.02 | roh | let me know if that helped |
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| 08:09.13 | cibomahto | will do |
| 08:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 758 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au |
| 08:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * libmokogsmd2 doesn't handle CB and DS events |
| 08:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=758 |
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| 08:12.56 | rwhitby | patch for that is at http://pastebin.ca/672079 |
| 08:13.21 | rwhitby | roh: which core developer is looking after libgsmd, libmokogsmd2 and openmoko-dialer2 ? |
| 08:14.42 | FuzzyCat | anyone else having difficulty svn updating from svn.openmoko.org? |
| 08:16.15 | Dmitry_Platonov | for me, it sometimes closes connection. re-sync helps. |
| 08:16.57 | FuzzyCat | mmm.. been trying for ages, just seems t o drop the connection ... |
| 08:17.28 | FuzzyCat | I suppose they could be doing backups .... |
| 08:17.36 | FuzzyCat | roflmao |
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| 08:53.50 | rwhitby | LaF0rge: could someone take a look at bug 575, with patch attached. without it, registration never succeeds on my provider's network. |
| 08:53.56 | rwhitby | s/575/757/ |
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| 09:20.30 | grasu | is the svn server down? |
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| 09:33.05 | komar007 | ls |
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| 09:35.02 | zecke | . |
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| 09:36.19 | FuzzyCat | ...? |
| 09:36.31 | LittleIdiot | >) < pacman that eats your dots! |
| 09:37.05 | FuzzyCat | yoink! |
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| 09:40.26 | florian | good morning |
| 09:44.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 759 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au |
| 09:44.01 | cdbot2 | * * GSM_REGISTER_TIMEOUT is too short |
| 09:44.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=759 |
| 09:48.04 | mdt | hi |
| 09:48.42 | rwhitby | first gsm call immediately after boot with the patches in those bug reports I've entered in the last couple of hours |
| 09:49.03 | rwhitby | (757, 758, 759) |
| 09:52.32 | rwhitby | still need to restart gsmd in matchbox session for it to work though |
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| 09:56.25 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:59.35 | CM | rwhitby: Nice work! :-) |
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| 11:10.55 | cesarb | rwhitby: do the patches you posted fix the problem when the symptom is a continuous stream of "AT+COPS=0" in the gsmd log? |
| 11:11.43 | rwhitby | cesarb: yep |
| 11:12.00 | rwhitby | (in conjunction with restarting gsmd in /etc/matchbox/session |
| 11:12.01 | cesarb | rwhitby: cool, since that's what happens on mine |
| 11:12.13 | rwhitby | Do you have a CREG:2 in there too? |
| 11:12.18 | cesarb | rwhitby: I managed to make gsmd work by adding a "sleep 120" just before it on its init script... |
| 11:12.27 | cesarb | rwhitby: dunno, the beginning of the log somehow seems to get truncated |
| 11:13.04 | rwhitby | First the CREG:2 response was causing openmoko-dialer to continue trying to register over and over again. |
| 11:13.17 | rwhitby | such that the real CREG:1 response never came |
| 11:13.59 | rwhitby | then the very first COPS=0 was too soon after the CFUN=1 and that screwed up gsmd it seemed. |
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| 11:14.42 | rwhitby | so I doubled the timeout in openmoko-dialer and made it aware of the UNREG_BUSY state such that it didn't keep trying to register when the modem said "hang on, I'm trying to register already, just give me a chance will ya!" |
| 11:15.26 | rwhitby | now I just need to wait for a battery recharge to keep testing the reliability of my current setup |
| 11:16.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 11:18.02 | cesarb | rwhitby: that takes me closer to the time when I can start using it instead of the razr as my primary phone (what I need before that: working voice calls and working SMS, including theses "popup" ones which open immediately) |
| 11:20.30 | cesarb | (oh, and a working input method would be fine too) |
| 11:20.40 | mil_ | hi there.. 2007.2 hangs at the very end of the loading screen. i did flash the kernel and rootfs. any tips? the loading screen sucks..i cant even see at which point it hangs.. |
| 11:22.02 | mil_ | first tried a compile one.. didnt worked out.. so i flashed the snapshots of the buildhost and same error.. e.g. no error because the loader screen just stops at the very end |
| 11:22.18 | mil_ | compile/compiled |
| 11:23.39 | ynezz | similar problems have been reported already |
| 11:23.47 | ynezz | but dunno what's the problem |
| 11:24.20 | ynezz | did you 'nand erase rootfs' before you flashed rootfs? |
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| 11:25.39 | mil_ | ok thanks.. but i dont need a different uboot? |
| 11:26.03 | mil_ | ynezz: no i didnt. but the dfu-util finished the flashing without an error |
| 11:26.15 | borg_ | mil_: try nand erase rootfs, i had the same problem |
| 11:26.30 | borg_ | after updating to 2007.2 |
| 11:26.38 | mil_ | borg_: thanks |
| 11:28.04 | cesarb | mil_: unless you updated your uboot to the snapshot version, you need the "nand erase rootfs" |
| 11:28.29 | cesarb | mil_: since the uboot from the latest 2007.2 snapshot already has the fix |
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| 11:29.24 | mil_ | well hopes thats problem :> .. is it "nand erase rootfs" or "nand erase clean rootfs" like on the wiki page`? |
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| 11:30.23 | CM | mil_: Use cu or minicom to connect to /dev/ttyACM0 like the wiki says, then nand erase rootfs |
| 11:31.33 | cesarb | mil_: I have only heard of it being "nand erase rootfs" here on IRC, never tried it (opted to upgrade uboot instead) |
| 11:33.01 | cesarb | BTW, any news on the GSM850 issue? (has anyone reported it to bugzilla yet?) |
| 11:33.06 | CM | I've done it a few times, but usually it's not needed. |
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| 11:33.37 | CM | Sometimes it worked just flashing the same rootfs again, but then I have a broken uboot :-( |
| 11:33.55 | Tyrael | Hi all, can I do an ot question abuot GPL and license compatibility? |
| 11:34.52 | CM | Ask away, and hopefully someone knows enough to answer :) (Probably not me) |
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| 11:38.56 | Tyrael | "A license p is compatible with a license q (or is q-compatible) if: |
| 11:38.56 | Tyrael | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.56 | Tyrael | For example, the X11 license is compatible with the GPL version 2, because works licensed under the X11 license, can be distributed under the terms of the GPL." |
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| 11:40.08 | Tyrael | means that I can take code from an X11 licensed project, modify and include it in my work that I release under gpl2? |
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| 11:40.20 | mjr | yes |
| 11:40.33 | cesarb | Tyrael: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ could be helpful for you |
| 11:40.52 | Tyrael | I take it from that pages |
| 11:41.04 | Tyrael | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/compat.html |
| 11:41.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Networking]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Talk:Manually_using_GPRS]] [[Repositories]] [[Python_ncurses]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming]] and other changes |
| 11:41.11 | Tyrael | thanks |
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| 11:44.30 | mil_ | cesarb: did the nand erase rootfs now. still waiting for the flashing to be finished. also wanted to update the uboot but i have no debug board and iam a bit afraid of bricking it with a work uboot image :\ |
| 11:44.43 | andylockran | morning guys |
| 11:44.43 | mil_ | my uboot is outdated its from May 2007 :D |
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| 11:47.42 | freepenguin | messaggio |
| 11:50.36 | jgm | Hi is there a known problem with compiling libgsmd at the moment? It seems to be giving me an empty package |
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| 11:55.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 760 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl |
| 11:55.01 | cdbot2 | * * /etc/default/gsmd: 6: Syntax error |
| 11:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=760 |
| 11:57.08 | freepenguin | www.freepenguin.it/index-en.html |
| 12:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 761 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl |
| 12:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * gsdm does not start |
| 12:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=761 |
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| 12:12.57 | Writchie | cesarb: What is the 850 gsm issue you referred to earlier? |
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| 12:16.34 | cindy | Can someone point me to a wiki page to answer a build question? I can't figure out how to run bitbake on a package without it rebuilding (almost) everything. I use MokoMakefile to setup/build the system. That works fine (after 12 hours or so). |
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| 12:17.17 | cindy | Then I go to the build directory and run "bitbake -c compile <package-name>" and it rebuilds 1000 packages. |
| 12:17.43 | CM | cindy: What is it you are trying to rebuild? |
| 12:17.59 | cindy | I just want to play with openmoko-feedreader2 right now. I make a one line change. |
| 12:18.22 | FuzzyCat | cindy, : from your OMDIR : cd build ; . ../setup-env ; bitbake theappname |
| 12:19.45 | CM | Hmm.. the libgsmd-too says "U Unregister from netowrk" but it feels like a too silly bug to mention.. :P |
| 12:20.08 | CM | s/oo/ool/ |
| 12:20.26 | cindy | I think I did that (perhaps I didn't cd to build??) and I ran <bitbake openmoko-feedreader2> Thanks for verifying the steps. I guess I am doing the right thing |
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| 12:20.53 | FuzzyCat | you need to be in build and you *must* use the setup-env |
| 12:20.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2834 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (7 files): |
| 12:20.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * split s3c2442 support from s3c2440 (different PLL config) |
| 12:20.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * fix s3c2440/2442 pll speed calculation |
| 12:20.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * add pll speed settings to cmd_s3c24xx for s3c2440 and s3c2442 |
| 12:20.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * fix hand-calculated UPLL initializers for 2442 (user manual is wrong) |
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| 12:21.28 | FuzzyCat | otherwise the directories it will use will be new ones.. |
| 12:21.34 | FuzzyCat | hence a full rebuild.. |
| 12:21.51 | cindy | Thanks Fuzzycat, I did use setup-env but possibly didn't cd to build. Thanks. |
| 12:22.00 | FuzzyCat | k.. |
| 12:22.09 | FuzzyCat | thank me twhen it works ;) |
| 12:22.10 | CM | Ah, first call with libgsmd-tool to my other mobile |
| 12:22.40 | CM | FuzzyCat: Sometimes you have to clean the tmp/work files and touch some stamps, but I never get when. |
| 12:22.46 | FuzzyCat | *sigh* - I've done so little work today :( |
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| 12:23.50 | FuzzyCat | I've never had that, I've only had the bit where I wasn't paying attention and started a build without the setup-env and ended up with a new full build int he root of my moko build user |
| 12:24.00 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: mickey|offline : how was the froscon? |
| 12:24.14 | FuzzyCat | then I wondered where all my disk space went |
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| 12:24.45 | ynezz | cindy: next time try, bitbake -b /path/to/file.bb -f -c compile |
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| 12:25.14 | FuzzyCat | you can actually use the mokomakefgile to build the package too |
| 12:25.26 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: HI. Only mickey|offline was there. I need at least _some_ days at home. Heading to .dk on thursday. |
| 12:25.31 | write_erase | Hi, Are there known hardware bugs on the current GTA01 ? |
| 12:25.33 | FuzzyCat | make build-package-blah |
| 12:26.02 | cindy | FuzzyCat, that made a huge difference! I guess I missed the "cd build" Arggh! |
| 12:26.47 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 12:26.55 | FuzzyCat | btw ... read up 1 line |
| 12:27.17 | stefan_schmidt | write_erase: No. Why do you ask? |
| 12:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2835 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: |
| 12:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * build from latest u-boot mainline head and our current patch repository trunk |
| 12:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * build u-boot for gta02v2 |
| 12:28.25 | write_erase | stefan_schmidt, 'Cause I'm wondering if I wait for the next release or if I order one now. I have not much money, and this hardware will be an investment :-) |
| 12:28.52 | Writchie | write_erase: stefan_schmidt: i consider only charging at 40ma a possible hardware bug as apparent inability to operate on gsm 850 - and at&t SIM problems |
| 12:29.04 | stefan_schmidt | write_erase: If you only have money for one. I would wait for GTA02. |
| 12:29.29 | write_erase | stefan_schmidt, Yeah, but no idea where it"s released. |
| 12:30.07 | write_erase | stefan_schmidt, I wish I can start hacking this device as soon as possible |
| 12:30.09 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: gsm 850: First time I hear of it. AT&T SIM needs a GSM firmware fix and 40ma charging is also the first time I hear of it. |
| 12:30.44 | stefan_schmidt | moment, /me fetches food |
| 12:30.52 | SpeedEvil | 40ma is the default charge current when plugged in |
| 12:31.00 | write_erase | can you tell me how long the battery last while GSM is on ( phone call) |
| 12:31.21 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 12:31.26 | SpeedEvil | Probably around 2-3 hours |
| 12:31.39 | SpeedEvil | Based on some very quick hack measurements I made. |
| 12:31.48 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: AFAIK everyone attempting to connect in GSM 850 only environment fails. FCC test report shows no testing below 1900 Mhz. Actually operation on 850 GSM remains unconfirmed |
| 12:31.50 | SpeedEvil | This is in a poor signal area. |
| 12:32.26 | write_erase | ok that's perfect ... |
| 12:32.47 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: hmm, can people please fill a bug about this? With details. |
| 12:32.48 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: I get same results as SpeedEvil: Default charge is only 40ma (GSM modem drains 30ma so net charge can be as low as 10ma unless battery removed. |
| 12:33.07 | write_erase | Someone know the "10 septembre shipping date" is still valid ? or there are extra delays for delivery ? |
| 12:33.28 | zash_se | october? |
| 12:33.38 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: hmm, please also a bugreport. |
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| 12:34.15 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: OK, is the nature of the AT&T SIM problem understood? |
| 12:34.27 | stefan_schmidt | I'm not a hardware guy, but without real bugreports we can't handle this. People just talking about it on IRC are not good to track. :) |
| 12:34.53 | zash_se | write_erase: "The Consumer Version will be available in October." -- http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html |
| 12:35.07 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: My last status on this was that this has to be checked with TI engineers... |
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| 12:36.26 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: then the statement "needs a GSM firmware fix" is a just a guess? |
| 12:36.48 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: in other words this could require a hardware fix |
| 12:37.53 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Of course it is a guess. You never really know it until it is fixed. It's hardware after all. |
| 12:37.56 | rxr | yes, the GSM is closed |
| 12:38.01 | rxr | we all hope for the best |
| 12:38.20 | rxr | stefan_schmidt: well - hardware with a firmware software part |
| 12:38.57 | stefan_schmidt | rxr: Yeah, but getting software right is easier then hardware. :) |
| 12:39.42 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: thanks |
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| 12:40.08 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: If only I had access to my previous employers kit, I could probably nail that bug in about 10 mins |
| 12:41.13 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: I know. :) But I'm more pissed of the long waiting times with TI... |
| 12:41.38 | Writchie | I thought FIC had the full dev tools for the calypso |
| 12:41.54 | SpeedEvil | stefan_schmidt: Do you know if this is a 'ship affected phones back to FIC for reflashing' issue, or can the user do it? |
| 12:42.12 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: XorA refers to some special GSM testing equipment. |
| 12:42.15 | XorA | Writchie: part of the problem is SIMs are not as standard as people are lead to beleive, neither are handsets |
| 12:42.46 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: No idea. We only can decide this once we have a fix. |
| 12:42.51 | XorA | Writchie: in my previous life I wrote and maintained a SIM, so I got used to the quirks |
| 12:43.06 | Writchie | every handset mfg is used to the quirks |
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| 12:43.41 | Writchie | of course this is why phase 1 is necessary |
| 12:43.47 | XorA | Writchie: not true, nokia fight ETSI to get any form of standardised testing, as it shows their bugs in bad light and they would actually have to test before release :-) |
| 12:44.45 | Writchie | by used to the quirks I meant is used to having to test a boatload of sims prior to release |
| 12:44.58 | Writchie | s/release/release of the handset/ |
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| 12:48.59 | Writchie | I can't personally test GSM850 yet - has anybody had a working call on an 850GSM network. |
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| 12:52.17 | write_erase | Are there GPS navigation opensource software that can be included in openmoko ? |
| 12:52.32 | write_erase | s/included in/ported to/ |
| 12:53.03 | CM | write_erase: I guess MaemoMapper could be a good candidate |
| 12:53.11 | CM | Or something OpenStreetmap related |
| 12:53.52 | cb22 | There's also a project up on the GForge |
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| 12:55.40 | maistk0 | www.freepenguin.it/index-en.html |
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| 13:03.00 | SpeedEvil | write: basically, the problem is the maps, not the mapper. |
| 13:03.18 | SpeedEvil | wr: over most of the world, there are no freely available maps. And openstreetmap sucks. |
| 13:04.11 | cb22 | a nice idea would be to have various backends |
| 13:05.21 | Writchie | Bug 762 filed on 40ma actual default charge rate for GTA01V4 |
| 13:05.21 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 762 has been created by wally.ritchie(AT)gmail.com |
| 13:05.21 | cdbot2 | * * GTA01v4 Only Charges at 40ma |
| 13:05.21 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=762 |
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| 13:07.40 | FuzzyCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:08.03 | FuzzyCat | you might want a monster disk though |
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| 13:10.33 | SpeedEvil | gpsdrive is basically abusing google though. |
| 13:10.37 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
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| 13:11.55 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: thnaks |
| 13:11.55 | El_Salvador | <SpeedEvil> wr: over most of the world, there are no freely available maps. And openstreetmap sucks. |
| 13:11.59 | stefan_schmidt | thanks even |
| 13:12.00 | El_Salvador | why it sucks? |
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| 13:13.52 | FuzzyCat | El_Salvador, lack of data |
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| 13:14.47 | El_Salvador | ah |
| 13:14.51 | El_Salvador | thansk |
| 13:14.54 | El_Salvador | thanks |
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| 13:19.24 | rwhitby | cindy: the reason why the "build-package-foo" target was added to the MokoMakefile was specifically so people didn't need to remember which directory you have to be in when you type bitbake manually. |
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| 13:41.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Saint-Petersburg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[USB_Networking]] |
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| 13:50.50 | smallfoot- | does openmoko is only on Neo1973? |
| 13:50.50 | aloril | smallfoot-: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 13:51.20 | woglinde | smallfoot hm there are same gys working on it for htc and ezx |
| 13:51.33 | smallfoot- | whats htc and ecx? |
| 13:51.49 | woglinde | ezx are the linux motorolas |
| 13:51.50 | CM | I guess the main problem is that OpenMoko has a 480x640 screen |
| 13:51.55 | woglinde | and htc is htc |
| 13:52.00 | smallfoot- | will Nokia, Samsung, LG, Sony-Ericsson, Motorola, or anyone else support/use OpenMoko? |
| 13:52.08 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 13:52.32 | CM | smallfoot-: Probably never, but that doesn't mean that they can not run OM some day |
| 13:52.39 | woglinde | smallfoot which of them runs linux und you has access too? |
| 13:52.55 | cjb_ie | motorola had a linux phone didn't they? |
| 13:53.13 | CM | They have several |
| 13:53.31 | CM | But they're not exactly "open" |
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| 13:53.49 | cjb_ie | pfeh, with a good enough logic analyser... :-) |
| 13:53.59 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:54.00 | smallfoot- | woglinde, i dont have access to any, i dont even own a cellphone :( |
| 13:54.33 | woglinde | smallfoot oh hm |
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| 13:56.20 | aloril | autofaq did answer question ;-) |
| 13:56.35 | zash_se | smallfoot-: there are rumors that google is interested in openmoko for their gphone |
| 13:56.41 | smallfoot- | sweet |
| 13:56.43 | smallfoot- | gphone? wow |
| 13:58.36 | rxr | aren't rumours that they release something in the next weeks? |
| 13:58.52 | rxr | someone at openmoko should know in that case already if Google ships the Neo or not ... |
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| 13:59.09 | Writchie | rxr: that's what I hear |
| 13:59.27 | woglinde | its only rumors |
| 13:59.31 | Writchie | and openmoko is no where near two weeks |
| 13:59.32 | woglinde | I cant belevie it |
| 13:59.45 | rxr | yeah - but as OpenMoko is onst moe the most secret Inc.'s around we probably will learn here on the day Google announces it :-) |
| 13:59.56 | CM | And I wonder why google would want to build a phone? They're not a hw-company |
| 13:59.57 | aloril | well, openmoko will announce something, hmm ... actually they already did: 2007.2 (2007.8 more recently I think) |
| 13:59.57 | Writchie | other rumors are that google has spent $100 million on this |
| 14:00.14 | CM | The only hw they sell is that yellow search box, and it's actually a dell machine |
| 14:00.37 | rxr | Writchie: yes, ack. I have the "feeling" their thing is not about OpenMoko ... |
| 14:00.43 | rxr | but that is just a feeling |
| 14:00.47 | woglinde | CM lol |
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| 14:01.01 | woglinde | CM they pay 500.000 bucks at htc and will have theire hw |
| 14:01.06 | cjb_ie | omg it's teh google iphone-killer! |
| 14:01.12 | rxr | the same feeling that tells me that I have to live with this damn high pitch noisy crappy MacBook for quite a while until Apple releases some ultra portable that is rumoured since last december ... |
| 14:01.14 | CM | But I do think they'll be releasing more mobile apps, like the gmail client |
| 14:01.17 | rxr | sigh |
| 14:01.21 | CM | But some map thing or so |
| 14:01.54 | CM | rxr: I'd like that one too. I guess they're waiting for the price of SSD's to drop a bit more |
| 14:02.07 | juri_ | wow. looks like my openmoko arrives today. |
| 14:02.18 | CM | :) |
| 14:02.50 | rxr | CM: the MacBook rumour ? |
| 14:02.57 | CM | rxr: Yes |
| 14:02.59 | rxr | CM: this damn MacBook I type on is one of the worst hardware ever ... |
| 14:03.01 | rxr | damn crap ... |
| 14:03.06 | rxr | and I had iBook for ages ... |
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| 14:03.09 | juri_ | its not here yet. i'm waiting for ups to decide itn eeds to go to south africa, now. ;P |
| 14:03.24 | rxr | (if I would not had to code on one OS X App I would not even had this stinking crap of a plastic ...) |
| 14:03.35 | woglinde | hms where is the opera vs iphone flash gone |
| 14:03.40 | CM | rxr: My other option is the XPS1330 dell one |
| 14:03.52 | rxr | well - that is what you get when you are vendor locked-in .. |
| 14:05.11 | woglinde | ah http://www.operamini.com/beta/video/ |
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| 14:31.01 | CM | Just noticed that cups is built when using the makefile.. Bluetooth or maybe even usb printing of pdf's and such would be nice |
| 14:32.16 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 14:32.19 | SpeedEvil | Or fax |
| 14:32.25 | SpeedEvil | If supported |
| 14:32.36 | zecke | CM: cups is compiled for the Gtk+ cups printing backend |
| 14:32.45 | zecke | CM: bluez gets compiled with cups support as well |
| 14:32.54 | CM | zecke: Nice :D |
| 14:33.04 | zecke | (not installed by default though) |
| 14:33.13 | CM | Just have to make it easy to configure |
| 14:33.56 | CM | Would definitely look funnt to plug in my big usb laser printer into the neo :) |
| 14:34.04 | CM | s/nnt/nny/ |
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| 14:49.08 | hhf423 | re |
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| 14:51.16 | riot | zecke: install some python-stuff, you'll likely have cups in some of the dependencies (which is sort of a bug..) |
| 14:52.22 | zecke | riot: if you identify the package, please report that in the oe bugtracker |
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| 14:57.17 | riot | zecke: next time, i install the stuff, i'm gonna watch out :) |
| 14:57.51 | mdt | riot, are you shure it's a dependency? it may be a recommended package also.... |
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| 14:59.39 | cjb_ie | there's a fix for that if you scroll up :) |
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| 14:59.51 | mdt | is there a easy way to shut up the neo? |
| 14:59.54 | FuzzyCat | i know the fix |
| 15:00.03 | FuzzyCat | you just comment it out of the server.conf |
| 15:00.04 | cb22 | its on the wiki IIRC |
| 15:00.09 | FuzzyCat | I just wish it wasn;t there |
| 15:00.16 | FuzzyCat | I've just flashed it |
| 15:00.23 | FuzzyCat | hence - annoying noise |
| 15:01.09 | aloril_ | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] |
| 15:04.04 | FuzzyCat | ok, it's called session now, rather than server.conf |
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| 15:05.49 | mdt | FuzzyCat, is there a package to deinstall? i deinstalled psplash to get rid of the splash screen |
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| 15:08.34 | hhf423 | or just rename the sound file in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds or so |
| 15:08.38 | FuzzyCat | mdt, just edit /etc/pulse/session |
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| 15:08.42 | FuzzyCat | at the bottom |
| 15:08.50 | FuzzyCat | comment out the sound lines |
| 15:09.35 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_sound |
| 15:09.42 | FuzzyCat | as per that link |
| 15:12.15 | hhf423 | if I want ipkg upgrade to log into a file, how do I do that? |
| 15:12.44 | FuzzyCat | ipkg upgrade >mylogfile.log ? |
| 15:13.07 | hhf423 | > or >>? |
| 15:13.28 | daxxar | > if you want to overwrite mylogfile.log |
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| 15:13.31 | daxxar | >> if you want to append |
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| 15:13.48 | FuzzyCat | yes |
| 15:14.01 | hhf423 | ah, right, thanks |
| 15:14.30 | hhf423 | oh |
| 15:14.35 | hhf423 | "Nothing to be done" |
| 15:14.52 | FuzzyCat | did you update first? |
| 15:15.09 | hhf423 | there I go. No changes in the last 12 hours, the community is slowing down? |
| 15:15.18 | FuzzyCat | ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 15:15.30 | hhf423 | yes, I did the update first |
| 15:15.44 | FuzzyCat | if you're bored I added asterisk to my repository... and vnc :) |
| 15:16.02 | hhf423 | asterisk?!1! |
| 15:16.11 | hhf423 | you _are_ crazy |
| 15:16.19 | hhf423 | but I like that in a cat :-) |
| 15:17.17 | FuzzyCat | i can has cheezburger? |
| 15:18.00 | hhf423 | there is strictly nothing to be done. And I soo hoped BT might work better today |
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| 15:19.42 | hhf423 | next saturday I am off on vacation and I want proper BT to work! |
| 15:20.10 | rxr | haha |
| 15:20.47 | hhf423 | that would make me very happy |
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| 15:28.49 | riot | re: startsound : I'd just like some less annoying sounds. I think i'm gonna build some new audio-theme this week |
| 15:29.10 | riot | i'm thinking of some industrial/minimalized stuff, like old mobile phone-beepers |
| 15:29.40 | riot | gotta play around with my tb303 emulation :) |
| 15:29.49 | don-o | how is the making/taking calls functionality coming? i figure a month worth of having P1s in the field must be helping things. |
| 15:30.10 | hhf423 | don-o: see P1 software testing |
| 15:30.19 | hhf423 | don-o: getting better but slowly |
| 15:31.25 | don-o | hhf423: any news on P2? |
| 15:32.21 | don-o | hhf423: found the P1 software testing wiki page, thanks for the tip. |
| 15:33.26 | hhf423 | don-o: nothing I know on P2 |
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| 15:36.38 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:39.59 | hhf423 | hi |
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| 15:49.14 | cayco | hi guys! does anyone managed to get gsmd to work in latest 2007.2 code? |
| 15:51.24 | don-o | Harold W. says "GTA02 phase-1 will probably be october." |
| 15:51.35 | ewon | impressive |
| 15:51.44 | don-o | from an email 8 days ago |
| 15:51.45 | ewon | I had the feeling it was going to be delayed |
| 15:52.00 | don-o | ewon: yeah thats encouraging, although i dont know what 'phase-1' means |
| 15:52.07 | don-o | (in that context) |
| 15:52.09 | ewon | hw will be ready, but will the software be solid enough for consumer release? |
| 15:52.10 | Tyrael | cayco: it "works" |
| 15:52.18 | hhf423 | cayco: sort of, see Phase 1 software testing in the wiki |
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| 15:53.07 | zblach | hey all |
| 15:53.12 | cayco | Tyrael: hmm, it does not to me and my friend (who also has neo): http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=761 |
| 15:53.34 | don-o | ewon: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/009491.html |
| 15:53.57 | Tyrael | cayco: tried sto stop it, x and restart? |
| 15:54.10 | cayco | Tyrael: of course :) |
| 15:54.32 | Tyrael | what output lsmod? |
| 15:54.58 | ewon | don-o: ah :) |
| 15:55.07 | cayco | Tyrael: now, when i read this i think it could be related to my fix in another ticket: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=760 |
| 15:55.21 | cayco | Tyrael: i just assumed that it does not work for everyone |
| 15:55.35 | cayco | Tyrael: let me check this and I get back :) |
| 15:55.43 | Tyrael | lsmod? |
| 15:55.43 | ewon | hmm, I'll buy a GTA02 when it comes out, hopefully I can contribute, although I'm NDA'd to my eyes on a lot of network stuff |
| 15:56.14 | Tyrael | ah |
| 15:56.37 | cayco | ok, thx for confirmation that this realy works ;) |
| 15:56.45 | don-o | reading the software testing page, its pretty funny to see people excited that outbound calls work some of the time. |
| 15:57.29 | hhf423 | don-o: start learning to be happy about the small things in live. :-) |
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| 16:04.33 | FuzzyCat | mmm. I still have that sd card i/o bug... |
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| 16:11.02 | torpor | hi all |
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| 16:11.33 | Tyrael | I have a laptop with bluetooth. There is a mode to emulate a bluetooth keyboard to test it with the Neo? |
| 16:12.05 | hhf423 | Tyrael: not heard of that |
| 16:13.26 | don-o | Tyrael: that would be cool. |
| 16:13.34 | Tyrael | yep |
| 16:15.53 | hhf423 | why? If I can link from my Neo to my PC/Laptop, I can also ssh in and use the keyboard |
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| 16:17.00 | Tyrael | but you can't use it for input on the gui application |
| 16:20.48 | pjz | ...unless you run something like a vncserver on the Neo and a client on your PC/Laptop |
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| 16:32.27 | Elrond | Hmm, the openmoko bugzilla doesn't allow voting, right? |
| 16:33.58 | SpeedEvil | Not formally, I think. |
| 16:33.59 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
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| 16:35.23 | Elrond | Well, I have a few bugs I'd like to say "Yes, I care for it". But I don't want to start out stupid "me three" one comments. |
| 16:35.38 | Elrond | s/one/one-line |
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| 16:37.30 | cb22 | hmm, was there a bot that changed sed style expression in here? |
| 16:37.34 | cb22 | s/was/wasnt/ |
| 16:39.27 | Tyrael | I found something for the keyboard: http://www.mulliner.org/bluetooth/xkbdbthid.php |
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| 16:42.28 | borg_ | Tyrael: i think the keys are to small |
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| 16:44.21 | mbuf | which versions of u-boot, openmoko-devel-image and uImage do I need for OM2007.2? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ |
| 16:45.02 | hhf423 | mbuf: see files here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070825_with_2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
| 16:46.02 | Elrond | chrustinho - Yes, there was. But I choose to not use it. :) |
| 16:46.04 | mbuf | hhf423, no need of u-boot ? |
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| 16:46.41 | hhf423 | mbuf: no, u-boot does not necessarily be changed for 2007.2 |
| 16:47.23 | mbuf | hhf423, but, there was mention of some bug that was fixed? |
| 16:47.56 | hhf423 | mbuf: yes, the bug that created issues when you were flashing a smaller image than was on the phone before |
| 16:48.15 | hhf423 | mbuf: but that has nothing to do with mbuf |
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| 16:48.24 | hhf423 | err, with 2007.2 |
| 16:48.43 | jroman | hi! |
| 16:48.47 | hhf423 | I flashed the u-boot here to get rid of the bug: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
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| 16:49.21 | mbuf | hhf423, thanks |
| 16:49.41 | hhf423 | mbuf: as you can brick your neo with a wrong uboot, I'd not do that if you dont feel like adventures :-) |
| 16:50.00 | Elrond | and unless you have a debug board. |
| 16:50.02 | torpor | is that URL the source of the latest builds, btw? |
| 16:50.16 | mbuf | Elrond, i have a debug board, haven't had time to play with it, yet |
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| 16:50.29 | Elrond | mbuf - Make sure you know to use it. :) |
| 16:50.30 | Tyrael | borg_: not for pen on rotated screen, but I search this for my laptop to test neo bluetooth |
| 16:50.42 | hhf423 | torpor: no, that is not the url with the latest builds |
| 16:50.51 | torpor | oh. anyone know aht it is? |
| 16:50.51 | mbuf | Elrond, as long as you guys are here, i don't have to worry :) |
| 16:51.09 | hhf423 | torpor here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D |
| 16:51.43 | hhf423 | torpor: and a bit more current but a bit more unofficial is here: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 16:51.48 | Elrond | mbuf - hehe. I never used the debugboard. |
| 16:52.57 | jroman | I've deleted moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/ directory, how can I restore it? |
| 16:53.36 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I decided for "CC"-Voting. Added myself to the CC and thus said "I care for this bug". ;-) |
| 16:54.36 | torpor | hhf423: cool thanks mate. |
| 16:55.01 | torpor | of course i'm building my own localimages too .. but i want to try the official ones and compare |
| 16:59.43 | jroman | ok, mtn revert --missing |
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| 17:00.25 | mbuf | what could be the reason for determining device status: state = dfuERROR, satus = 14, dfuERROR, clearing state |
| 17:00.45 | mbuf | using dfu-util for uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin on debian etch |
| 17:00.54 | mbuf | dmesg shows detection of CDC_ACM device |
| 17:01.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] [[Talk:Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Boot_sound]] |
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| 17:03.47 | hhf423 | mbuf did you sudo ./dfu-util ? |
| 17:03.47 | jseghers | Hi all. I put a T-mobile SIM into a 2007.2 build. It worked fine initially. Both outgoing and incoming calls worked. Then it stopped. I've ssh'd to the phone and restarted X so that I have stdout and stderr coming to the ssh connection. I'm getting "Requesting registration" about every 4 seconds. I tried stopping gsmd, but the "Requesting registration" kept going. Anyone have an idea what it the problem here? |
| 17:04.32 | Aria | ditto jseghers question here ;-) |
| 17:04.49 | mbuf | hhf423: no, disconnected, plugged it back, it worked |
| 17:04.59 | borg_ | mtn: warning: attach node 2147500159 blocked by unversioned path 'packages/openssl/openssl-0.9.7g/armeb.patch.lock' |
| 17:05.02 | borg_ | uhm |
| 17:05.15 | borg_ | does someone have this too? |
| 17:05.22 | torpor | nope |
| 17:05.26 | borg_ | mh |
| 17:05.33 | Aria | bet the lock file needs removing |
| 17:05.39 | mdt | jserv2, look into /tmp/gsmd.log - probably u will se a modem dead message there.... |
| 17:05.41 | borg_ | perhaps i should delete openssl |
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| 17:06.42 | mdt | s/jserv/jseghers/ |
| 17:07.19 | hp__ | the responsiveness in the new build on qemu is allot worse now :( |
| 17:07.41 | jseghers | mdt: I don't see anything there indicating a dead modem |
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| 17:08.50 | mdt | jseghers, but what do u seee there? |
| 17:09.04 | jseghers | mdt: http://pastebin.com/d62560f0e is the complete contents of that log |
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| 17:10.10 | hp__ | i must have missed something |
| 17:10.22 | hp__ | qemu won't even respond to my mouse clicks |
| 17:10.46 | mbuf | hp__, same here |
| 17:12.09 | mdt | jseghers, hm, you stopped it - did you start it again also? |
| 17:12.24 | jseghers | yes, it had no effect. |
| 17:12.45 | jseghers | I just stopped X again, and it stopped the polling |
| 17:13.39 | mbuf | root.jffs2 takes long time to flash for 2007.2 :) |
| 17:14.03 | jseghers | I noticed I had two sessions of the /usr/bin/dbus-deamon --fork.... processes running--these get launched by X's startup--so I'm killing those. |
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| 17:14.40 | jseghers | There are also currently 2 processes of dropbear running, but I don't know what dropbear is... |
| 17:15.15 | hp__ | jseghers.. google dropbear :) |
| 17:15.38 | jseghers | hp: yep, jsut did... That would explain it :) |
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| 17:16.06 | hhf423 | mbuf: 40meg over usb1.1 |
| 17:16.53 | edistar | I like dropbear |
| 17:17.05 | edistar | better than the openssh-server on embedded |
| 17:17.05 | mbuf | hhf423, the console boot messages used to show what was happening, the progress bar isn't very informative :) |
| 17:18.29 | hhf423 | mbuf: you can have it pretty or you can have it informative :-) |
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| 17:41.32 | torpor | guys - how can i know what the 'real lib names are in openmoko, for inclusion in a configure.ac file? |
| 17:41.54 | torpor | is there some empirical way of determining these words? |
| 17:44.08 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:/$ alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
| 17:44.08 | borg_ | alsactl: load_state:1327: No soundcards found... |
| 17:44.14 | borg_ | aaah :D |
| 17:44.16 | borg_ | whats this? |
| 17:44.23 | torpor | kernel does not match modules onboard |
| 17:44.37 | borg_ | so, no sound at the moment? |
| 17:44.48 | torpor | you upgraded something that puts new modules onboard and you do'nat have a compatible kernel |
| 17:44.53 | torpor | upgrade to the kernel image needed. |
| 17:45.04 | borg_ | mh |
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| 17:47.26 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Are you convinced the charger is working correctly. I had a Neo go dead over the weekend (wouldn't boot). Then I charged it up for about 6 hours at 40ma and it went to 0ma. Now I boot and it draws 490ma. This suggest (at least to me) that the 40ma charge doesn't actually charge up the battery. |
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| 17:55.19 | borg_ | torpor: thank you! :) |
| 17:55.31 | borg_ | 2.6.21.6 works nice |
| 17:55.35 | borg_ | 2.6.21.5 didnt |
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| 17:57.34 | torpor | glad you got it sorted |
| 18:01.18 | Writchie | Anybody gotton the neo RNDIS to work with Windows XP or Vista ? |
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| 18:05.51 | hp__ | RNDIS? |
| 18:07.03 | Writchie | hp__ Remote NDIS - aka USB Networking |
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| 18:11.29 | hp__ | aahh no idea.. did you search the wiki? |
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| 18:13.25 | roh | Writchie i think the standart linux usb cdc has that feature and its activated in out builds... i didn't test i though |
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| 18:14.34 | Writchie | roh: the inf file is nowhere near matching what the USB gadget (as modified) reports over the USB |
| 18:15.06 | Writchie | roh: even after hacking this to match - windows fails to start the device with error 10 |
| 18:15.06 | roh | i see.. where did you get it from? |
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| 18:15.34 | Writchie | the linux.inf is part of the sources |
| 18:16.03 | Writchie | but it has the defaults used by the USB gadget folks |
| 18:16.49 | Writchie | just looking to see if anyone has ANY RNDIS gadget working on XP or Vista before I start spending time on this/ |
| 18:17.09 | roh | i don't know of any modifications on that part of the kernel. i think till now it worked fine for anybody who did cdc. |
| 18:17.45 | roh | Writchie when there is a problem, its propably also upstream. which does not mean we can or should not fix it ;) |
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| 18:18.29 | Writchie | well it surely wasn't upstream that changed the vendor code to FIC and device codes |
| 18:18.33 | zecke | *yawn* |
| 18:18.47 | roh | Writchie ack. but thats a trivial one and shurely not the bug |
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| 18:22.29 | serenity | hi |
| 18:22.56 | serenity | is there a list of command which a special in openmoko (ts_calibrate and so on) |
| 18:23.54 | jseghers | Writchie: I got RNDIS installed on XP...but it only suffices to engage the 500ma charge :) |
| 18:24.26 | jseghers | Writchie: could not get actual communications to occur. |
| 18:24.43 | Writchie | jseghers: did windows attempt to install drivers? |
| 18:25.09 | jseghers | Writchie: yes, installed, but failed... |
| 18:25.32 | Writchie | jseghers: the neo is probably satisfied enough that it is enumerating to let the charge go |
| 18:25.36 | jseghers | Like I said, it was enough that it is able to negotiate high speed charge, but nothing mor |
| 18:25.41 | jseghers | yep |
| 18:25.42 | Writchie | this is actually a bug |
| 18:26.00 | Writchie | maybe |
| 18:26.27 | jseghers | Writchie: yes, it is. It also seems to be a pissing contest between the RNDIS people and Microsoft. |
| 18:26.52 | Writchie | how so |
| 18:26.53 | serenity | which broswer will be used in openmoko? |
| 18:27.45 | zecke | openmoko browser |
| 18:27.49 | jseghers | Writchie: from what I've read online, it seems the RNDIS people say they've implemented the RFC correctly, so it's up to Microsoft to fix their driver template. |
| 18:28.11 | jseghers | Writchie: and apparently Microsoft hasn't seen fit to do so. |
| 18:28.28 | Writchie | well MS is just following the golden rule - he who has the gold makes the rules |
| 18:28.52 | Writchie | i'm not sure its just a template problem |
| 18:28.53 | serenity | zecke: and openmoko browser is based on what? |
| 18:29.17 | jseghers | I think it's going to take someone with USB driver experience to figure out what's really going on on both ends. |
| 18:30.08 | Writchie | this is why I wanted to know what I'm getting into. Better to know it doesn't work first |
| 18:30.15 | zecke | serenity: gtk+, a hand full of magic and an existing browser engine |
| 18:30.21 | serenity | zecke: ;) |
| 18:30.25 | hhf423 | Writchie: my experience with windows xp and rndis is in the wiki under discussion |
| 18:30.26 | Writchie | it seemed the gumstix guys may have had this working |
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| 18:31.00 | hhf423 | Writchie: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo1973_and_Windows |
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| 18:31.14 | zecke | serenity: If I'm the one to decide I would use WebKit. But one can think of the EAL approach (it is nokia's gobject/gtk browser abstraction layer) |
| 18:31.38 | hhf423 | Writchie: I did not ry all on thsi page, tho: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/WindowsXpUsbNetworkHowTo |
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| 18:31.53 | hhf423 | I did not try all on this page: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/WindowsXpUsbNetworkHowTo |
| 18:32.04 | serenity | zecke: me to, but maybe there will be a webkit Browser ported one day |
| 18:32.19 | Writchie | hhf423: I remember seeing your comment on the wiki. Which inf file did you use. |
| 18:32.33 | hhf423 | Writchie: the one referenced in the wiki |
| 18:32.41 | zecke | serenity: or we will just go the webkit way... |
| 18:32.51 | serenity | zecke: ? |
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| 18:33.04 | Writchie | linux.inf from where? |
| 18:33.20 | hhf423 | Writchie: http://privat.wmo.de/~c_schweers/linux.inf |
| 18:33.40 | zecke | serenity: well, Firefox on Linux/Gtk+ is a second class citizen, the mozilla API is unstable so it feels natural to use something where you are the first class citizen |
| 18:33.59 | serenity | zecke: :-D |
| 18:34.36 | hhf423 | Writchie: I was actually more counting on bluetooth connectivity. but this also does not work at the moment, not with windows at least |
| 18:34.42 | zecke | serenity: e.g. my feedreader is already using webkit, so it might be wise to use it for a browser as well, instead of adding mozilla to the stack |
| 18:34.52 | Writchie | hhf423: thanks. I'll compare to mine. |
| 18:35.02 | Writchie | I'm just begining to test BT |
| 18:35.17 | Writchie | what hardware did you have trouble with |
| 18:35.24 | Writchie | on the XP/Vista side |
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| 18:35.48 | hhf423 | Writchie: see my comments on BT here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Bluetooth |
| 18:36.41 | Writchie | OK. I was able to transfer to P800 and nokia phones and between neo and ubuntu no problem. |
| 18:36.44 | hhf423 | Writchie: BT on my windows box works fine with a number of devices. The Neo will not hcitool cc with anything for longer than a few seconds, though. Not with my Windows, not with my SE phone etc. pp |
| 18:37.10 | hhf423 | Writchie: oh, really? Neo BT and 2007.2? |
| 18:37.27 | Writchie | i did the testing on 2007.1 |
| 18:37.43 | hhf423 | Writchie: ah, see. that could be it. |
| 18:37.59 | Writchie | right now i have one 2007.2 and 2007.1 and have been reluctant to give up the 2007.1 until I get to at least the same point on gsm and bt |
| 18:38.13 | hhf423 | Writchie: from the wiki I got the idea that BT actually worked in 2007.1, but does no longer in 2007.2 |
| 18:38.45 | Writchie | it definitely worked for obex and there were reports of PAN working as well |
| 18:39.08 | Writchie | so i guess i'll keep one device on 2007.1 for a while longer |
| 18:39.12 | hhf423 | Writchie: yes, thats what it looks like if you read the wiki. |
| 18:39.20 | mjr | PAN worked for me in 2007.1, in the last .2 image I tried it (for a BT keyboard) it worked, but I was required to load modules manually |
| 18:39.34 | hhf423 | mjr: which modules did you have to load? |
| 18:40.01 | mjr | don't recall exactly, ls -R /lib/modules, see about the usb and BT support |
| 18:40.03 | hhf423 | Writchie, mjr what seems to be necessary is the .6 kernel |
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| 18:40.37 | hhf423 | with the .6 kernel you can see the BT interface e.g. using hciconfig. with the .5 kernel no luck |
| 18:42.35 | Writchie | i did notice 2007.2 seemed to go backward to 0.5 - what was that all about? |
| 18:43.03 | hhf423 | no idea. all seems to work fine with .6 |
| 18:43.26 | hhf423 | the only difference I can see between 0.6 and .5 is that with .6, bt interface is there |
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| 18:45.40 | hhf423 | the default auth PIN for BT is 0000, right? |
| 18:45.51 | Writchie | usually |
| 18:45.59 | Writchie | once in while 1234 |
| 18:46.29 | hhf423 | well, my SE phone always says that the bt pin I entered was not the same as on the Neo |
| 18:46.37 | hhf423 | and I tried 0000 and 1234 |
| 18:47.07 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: p910i ? |
| 18:47.22 | hhf423 | k610i |
| 18:48.23 | ScaredyCat | k, I get the same problem wiht my p910i and nokia 770 - apparently it's because SE can't actually make proper phones. |
| 18:49.06 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: awww, SE was the first one who properly implemented BT. Nokia never got it right |
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| 18:49.36 | ScaredyCat | well, it doesn't work on a lot of their phones now... |
| 18:50.16 | ScaredyCat | and of course the problem is, even if nokia got it wrong, they need to be compatible with nokia... |
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| 18:50.28 | ScaredyCat | you just have to look at windows to see that |
| 18:50.33 | hhf423 | all I know is that so far I could pair my k610i and n770 with anything else I have and I can not with the Neo, so what do you think I think is broken? :-) |
| 18:50.42 | ScaredyCat | brb making a cuppa |
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| 18:51.40 | hhf423 | you all used the passkey-agent to set a bt passkey? Writchie, ScaredyCat ? |
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| 18:52.25 | Writchie | hhf423: what is in your /etc/bluetooth/pin file |
| 18:53.18 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/bluetooth/pin |
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| 18:53.19 | hhf423 | cat: /etc/bluetooth/pin: No such file or directory |
| 18:53.53 | Writchie | you may need either this or a working pin helper |
| 18:54.17 | hhf423 | what should be in the pin file? just like 0000? |
| 18:55.01 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: i just set it to 1234 |
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| 18:55.37 | hhf423 | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 18:55.47 | hhf423 | there is a hciconf |
| 18:55.53 | hhf423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.55 | hhf423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.10 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that's just dumb |
| 18:56.32 | ScaredyCat | since I don;t know a phone that'll allow text ass a p/w |
| 18:56.58 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:/media$ mount card |
| 18:56.58 | borg_ | /dev/mmcblk0p1: Input/output error |
| 18:57.00 | borg_ | ooops |
| 18:57.25 | borg_ | i think i broke my sd card |
| 18:57.27 | borg_ | :( |
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| 18:57.36 | ScaredyCat | rebewted? |
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| 18:57.47 | ScaredyCat | of rmmod/modprobe |
| 18:57.50 | ScaredyCat | or |
| 18:57.52 | hhf423 | ok, next try to link |
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| 18:58.00 | ozarka | borg_, just buy a new Neo. You get a free SD card with it. |
| 18:58.05 | borg_ | :D |
| 18:58.33 | hhf423 | hahahaha |
| 18:58.39 | hhf423 | that worked!1! |
| 18:58.48 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: it got input/output error while i tranfered a video to it |
| 18:58.51 | borg_ | then i unmounted it |
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| 18:58.57 | borg_ | and now i cant mount it :) |
| 18:59.02 | ScaredyCat | borg_: from another pc? |
| 18:59.06 | ScaredyCat | ie scp'd it? |
| 18:59.09 | borg_ | yes |
| 18:59.13 | ScaredyCat | that's normal |
| 18:59.21 | borg_ | mh |
| 18:59.22 | borg_ | why? |
| 18:59.33 | borg_ | whats the right way to do this? |
| 18:59.40 | Writchie | hhf423: from pin in config file or /etc/bluetooth/pin ? |
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| 18:59.55 | ScaredyCat | he driver sucks badger cock |
| 18:59.55 | ScaredyCat | the |
| 18:59.55 | ScaredyCat | there isn't - it's broken |
| 19:00.05 | hhf423 | Writchie: one or the other |
| 19:00.08 | ScaredyCat | a reboot or rmmod/modprobe should fix it |
| 19:00.15 | hhf423 | Writchie: let me kill the pin file and see |
| 19:00.16 | Writchie | ah - you did both ;) |
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| 19:00.34 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: i dont need to mount it when i cant transfer something to it :) |
| 19:01.07 | ScaredyCat | use an externl usb dev on your pc |
| 19:01.13 | eggsy | is anyone else having trouble building uicmoc4-native-4.3.1: undefined reference to QAbstractSocket::flush() |
| 19:01.30 | CM | eggsy: Yes, me too |
| 19:01.33 | Writchie | hhf423: it looks like you could also use a one line script as a pin helper with echo "PIN:1234" |
| 19:01.36 | CM | !ombug 747 |
| 19:01.37 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 747, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 19:01.38 | cdbot2 | * * yoyo(AT)ghost.pl: uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb |
| 19:01.39 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 |
| 19:01.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[MacOS_X]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_MacOSX]] [[Today/2007.2]] [[Today/2007]] [[Dialer/2007.2]] [[Contacts/2007.2]] [[Dialer/2007]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Category:OpenMoko2007]] [[OpenMoko2007]] [[Category:OpenMoko2007.1]] and other changes |
| 19:01.55 | Writchie | eggsy: are you on ubuntu 7.04 |
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| 19:03.06 | eggsy | Writchie: no gentoo 32 and 64 bit versions |
| 19:03.07 | hhf423 | Writchie: let me kill the pin file and see |
| 19:03.37 | hhf423 | Writchie: I killed the pin file and it still works |
| 19:03.41 | Writchie | do you have /usr/lib/libXext.so ? |
| 19:03.44 | hhf423 | Writchie: I'll update the wiki |
| 19:03.44 | CM | eggsy: I'm on ~amd64 too, gcc 4.2.0 |
| 19:04.05 | eggsy | CM: I'd looked on OE bugzilla let me read openmoko bug |
| 19:04.37 | CM | Writchie: I have /usr/lib/libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4.0 |
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| 19:13.09 | eggsy | CM: yeah, this is the bug I have. I'll add to the list. What uses this tool anyway? |
| 19:13.51 | CM | I have no idea, but people have had troubles building it before too |
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| 19:16.24 | yoyo_ | hi |
| 19:16.50 | ScaredyCat | pesky 64 bit gear |
| 19:17.05 | CM | yoyo_: Hello. Did you manage to build uicmoc4? |
| 19:17.41 | yoyo_ | ! |
| 19:17.49 | yoyo_ | :/ |
| 19:17.55 | CM | :( |
| 19:17.57 | ScaredyCat | :- |
| 19:18.06 | CM | ScaredyCat: :P |
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| 19:18.26 | ScaredyCat | you broke it ;)] |
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| 19:19.02 | yoyo_ | at present time Im trying to build i686 compiler to build it on not x68_64 |
| 19:19.18 | jkline | Using the Debug Board, how does one reprogam uboot? (one of our guys accidently ran nand erase -- erassing all of the nand flashing including uboot) |
| 19:19.19 | aloril | jkline: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:20.05 | komar007 | eggsy: I've built uicmoc following the 747 bug: QT += network in uic3/uic.pro |
| 19:20.10 | hp__ | jkline accidently ran nand erase? auch! |
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| 19:21.01 | yoyo_ | about uicmoc4 someone have the same problem? |
| 19:21.17 | CM | Yes, both me and eggsy |
| 19:21.23 | eggsy | komar007: I'll try that but -lQtNetwork is in the lib path |
| 19:21.24 | CM | And more people too |
| 19:21.50 | komar007 | eggsy: I know... but if you add network to QT, it'll work;) Magick. |
| 19:22.35 | hhf423 | Writchie: ok, I can now pair with the Neo. Any idea how pand could start working |
| 19:22.56 | yoyo_ | stinky think :P that uicmoc |
| 19:23.02 | hp__ | Qt on the neo.. sweet.. |
| 19:23.11 | jkline | hp__, ya.. well... things happen... any way to actually force uboot to be reinstalled w/ the dev board |
| 19:23.21 | hhf423 | Writchie: ip a add 10.0.0.2/24 dev bnep0 gives no such interface |
| 19:23.24 | aloril | jkline: see devirginator |
| 19:23.31 | aloril | (or something like that) |
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| 19:23.48 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: |
| 19:24.00 | ScaredyCat | the wiki is misleading |
| 19:24.27 | ScaredyCat | don't do that bit until you start the server + client parts |
| 19:24.41 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: how do I do that? |
| 19:24.56 | ScaredyCat | pand -s and pand -c iirc |
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| 19:25.26 | Writchie | hhf423: look at services available from the xp box |
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| 19:26.16 | ScaredyCat | the pand -c needs the address as a param |
| 19:26.16 | Writchie | it needs to be showing a PAN -NAP or PAN-USER |
| 19:27.36 | hhf423 | whooo, pand -s makes the xp box see a pan |
| 19:27.37 | eggsy | komar007: black magic more like. That worked - let me compare the command line to see why |
| 19:28.18 | komar007 | eggsy: I didn't even compare... I'm new to moko. Just wanted to compile and start helping;) |
| 19:29.02 | hhf423 | uh, oh, explorer just sort of locked up |
| 19:29.22 | Writchie | windows standard behaviour ;) |
| 19:29.51 | hhf423 | :-) |
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| 19:38.20 | juri_ | yay! my openmoko is at home! |
| 19:39.21 | polz | has anyone here managed to make and/or receive calls using a neo1973 ? |
| 19:39.29 | polz | preferably without using a terminal |
| 19:40.37 | hhf423 | polz: of course |
| 19:41.10 | hhf423 | polz: see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070825_with_2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
| 19:41.19 | polz | so... where do I enter the PIN ? |
| 19:41.19 | polz | I can't find that on the wiki |
| 19:41.19 | polz | 10x |
| 19:42.05 | hhf423 | polz: which software version do you have? |
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| 19:43.26 | polz | ugh... is there any way to check ? |
| 19:43.44 | polz | I'm using the openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 19:43.46 | polz | as the root |
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| 19:44.26 | polz | I got it off of buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta-01/ |
| 19:45.11 | polz | btw, is there a known good u-boot image I should upgrade to ? Right now, the phone shuts down after about 30s of inactivity during the boot prompt |
| 19:45.47 | polz | the timestamp on the root image I'm using says it was put there on 26. 8. |
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| 19:46.28 | hhf423 | polz: 26.08 should be ok |
| 19:46.46 | hhf423 | did you do ipkg update && ipkg upgrade from the Neo? |
| 19:47.00 | polz | nope |
| 19:47.18 | hhf423 | do that, reboot afterwards for good measure |
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| 19:47.27 | hhf423 | also, did you put '/etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start' in the /etc/matchbox/session file before 'openmoko-dialer &' ? |
| 19:47.29 | polz | I'd have to set up the networking properly first, I presume... |
| 19:47.49 | polz | umm... no ? |
| 19:48.01 | hhf423 | do that |
| 19:48.04 | polz | should I have ? |
| 19:48.06 | polz | heh... |
| 19:48.10 | polz | OK, justasec |
| 19:48.12 | hhf423 | usb networking is properly explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 19:48.37 | hhf423 | polz: well, its explained in phase 1 software testing link I gave you :-) |
| 19:48.42 | polz | for now, I've only set it up so I can ssh to it |
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| 19:49.25 | polz | the link says: The ScaredyCat images above from August 10 are the first images which actually asked me for a PIN and registered on the network. |
| 19:49.39 | hhf423 | awwww |
| 19:49.47 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 19:49.47 | polz | and then something about some workaround |
| 19:49.48 | hhf423 | no, thats no whats the link says |
| 19:50.10 | hhf423 | this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070825_with_2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
| 19:50.38 | hhf423 | which points to Snapshot 20070825 with 2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
| 19:51.59 | Writchie | hhf423: looking on the windows side at the device descriptor info it looks all messed up - may be a line ending problem |
| 19:52.08 | polz | ooooh, now I see that |
| 19:52.35 | Writchie | or tabs, etc. bcdDevice in wrong place - protocol is wrong, etc. |
| 19:53.15 | Writchie | for my last install i modified a nokia 770 *.inf that supposed works on XP with the linux RNDIS gadget |
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| 19:54.17 | hhf423 | Writchie: you talking about the RNDIS? |
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| 19:54.36 | Writchie | yeah - sure doesn't look like the problem is on the windows side |
| 19:54.42 | polz | wow, cool, 10x |
| 19:54.58 | hhf423 | Writchie: so there is hope. we can fix everything but windows :-) |
| 19:55.07 | Writchie | yup |
| 19:55.17 | polz | hhf423: why is this workaround needed ? I mean... what should I read tu understand this stuff ? |
| 19:55.42 | Writchie | my guess is the edits to the gadget were borked |
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| 19:57.56 | polz | is picking up a call supposed to work, too ? |
| 19:58.08 | cjb | I've picked up a call successfully |
| 19:58.12 | cjb | just not made an outgoing :) |
| 19:58.32 | eggsy | for uicmoc4-native bug - Adding +network to uic3.pro changes order of libraries in the linking and seems to work |
| 19:58.40 | roh | Writchie do you have a pointer for kernelpatches against rndis which make it work? |
| 19:58.41 | polz | for me, the calling itself seems to work |
| 19:58.47 | eggsy | don't know why it worked on some platforms thoug |
| 19:58.50 | polz | I mean.. the called phone rings :) |
| 19:58.56 | eggsy | s/thoug/though/ |
| 19:59.03 | Writchie | roh?? |
| 19:59.14 | hhf423 | polz: just read every sentence in the wiki quite carefully :-) |
| 19:59.30 | roh | eggsy i think it could be that it seems everybody with that problem uses gcc 3.4 instead of 4 for some reason |
| 19:59.54 | polz | hhf423: just the page you gave me, or the whole wiki ? 'cause the whole wiki seems a biiiiiit too huge :) |
| 19:59.54 | Writchie | roh: I'm suspecting that the OM pathes are what make it not work. |
| 20:00.04 | roh | Writchie when it works with the N800 and linux and not on the moko and linux then there must be a difference in the code |
| 20:00.11 | roh | pathes? |
| 20:00.48 | roh | Writchie can you give me a sudo lsusb -vvv from the moko which does not work and the N800 that works? |
| 20:00.48 | Writchie | roh: OM patches at least the product ID, everybody else seems to use the default linux vendor ID and product ID |
| 20:01.24 | Writchie | i'll look at the patches later and see what else they do. |
| 20:01.32 | roh | Writchie vendor ids are in the .inf file. when you patch them it works thats nothing which is or should be fixed in the driver |
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| 20:02.00 | Writchie | roh: the produce ID's and vendor ID's are in the code for the gadget |
| 20:02.07 | Writchie | inf file is windows only |
| 20:02.34 | polz | OK, next question: is there any way to compile and test the applications I'd eventually want to run on openmoko.... |
| 20:02.40 | Writchie | the device reports that its a fic vendor |
| 20:02.47 | polz | without using qemu ? |
| 20:02.49 | Writchie | but the product id seems screwed up |
| 20:02.57 | Writchie | among other things |
| 20:02.58 | polz | I mean... I'd like to compile the apps natively |
| 20:03.06 | polz | and then recompile them for the neo |
| 20:03.10 | roh | Writchie yes. and the linux driver on the host side does not care because the class and subclass are important |
| 20:03.24 | Writchie | roh: that's what i understand |
| 20:03.28 | torpor | can someone with the patience for such things please read this draft and tell me what you think? |
| 20:03.31 | torpor | http://w1xer.de/OpenMoko_DevNotesDRAFT.txt |
| 20:03.37 | Writchie | windows uses these to locate the "best" matching driver |
| 20:03.49 | roh | thats how it works also with mice and keyboards, usb connected modems, serials, bluetooth recievers and so on |
| 20:04.29 | Writchie | vendor ID and product ID must be properly implemented to meet the USB specs |
| 20:04.45 | torpor | i'm going to HTML'ize it and make it proper for the web a bit later once i've finished it .. but i'd like some comments now .. |
| 20:04.47 | Writchie | even if linux USB host is more tolerant |
| 20:04.59 | roh | and they are. these are actually registerd at the usb forum |
| 20:05.46 | roh | Writchie that has nothing to do with tolerance. its how usb works and is supposed to work (and does.. or do you think windows has a table for every usbkeyboard on the planet) |
| 20:06.21 | Writchie | windows will use a class driver unless a better driver is found |
| 20:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Is there a camera class? |
| 20:06.55 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: i think there is a "image device" class or something like that |
| 20:07.00 | torpor | yes |
| 20:07.02 | torpor | CDC Image |
| 20:07.11 | torpor | CDC Image Capture, rather. |
| 20:07.13 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 20:07.18 | torpor | doesn't have to be a camera, could also be a CCD .. |
| 20:07.25 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if that might be what an advertised 'driver free' webcam is. |
| 20:07.29 | Writchie | properly implementing the idVendor and bcdDevice is part of the usb spec |
| 20:07.38 | roh | when implemented right usb is pretty cool to some degree... |
| 20:07.42 | torpor | you can't get a USB logo without doing it. |
| 20:07.48 | meus | torpor: thankyou! |
| 20:07.52 | torpor | <-- has written firmward for USB devices... |
| 20:07.59 | Writchie | i don't see any USB logo on the neo ;) |
| 20:08.02 | torpor | meus: you're welcoem. but for what? |
| 20:08.20 | SpeedEvil | http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5883 for example. |
| 20:08.45 | meus | torpor: the notes :) the ones you posted 5 min ago :) |
| 20:08.53 | roh | torpor i did not mean the logo, with right i meant proper designed interfaces and usage of standards like cdc ethernet or acm |
| 20:09.05 | torpor | oh. let me know what you think! i'm not done, this is just a first draft, i wanna get some feedback before i work on completing it tomorrow. |
| 20:09.24 | roh | instead of developing a selfhacked serial protocol like some vendors do and supply bad coded drivers for every os |
| 20:09.45 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: this should use a standard class driver |
| 20:10.25 | torpor | they have done so for years, SpeedEvil .. |
| 20:10.57 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - for name brand ones. |
| 20:11.09 | meus | torpor: willdo! |
| 20:11.19 | yoyo_ | echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 20:11.26 | SpeedEvil | Not so much for random 'fuki camera' ones, or they sort-of-work. |
| 20:11.31 | Writchie | roh: i think the problem is that windows does not supply a standard usb serial port class driver |
| 20:11.52 | ewon | !etl |
| 20:11.56 | ewon | oops |
| 20:11.57 | Writchie | RNDIS is the only communication class driver AFAIK that MS has supplied |
| 20:12.39 | torpor | windows is crap for CDC |
| 20:12.39 | polz | OK, next question: is the GSM signal supposed to be clearly audible when making a call ? |
| 20:12.46 | torpor | actually windows is utterly crap for USB in general, anyway. |
| 20:13.06 | SpeedEvil | polz: Ideally, no. In practice I found it moderately so. |
| 20:13.24 | SpeedEvil | If this is the fault of the hardware or the mixer settings is a good question. |
| 20:13.28 | polz | hmm.. here, it's a bit loud, in my oppinion... |
| 20:13.35 | SpeedEvil | If it's hardware, there is nothing that can be done. |
| 20:13.52 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: it probably fails to meet GSM specs if you can hear it? |
| 20:13.55 | SpeedEvil | It's louder than on any other phone I've had. |
| 20:14.01 | polz | maybe add some shielding to the wire that leads to the speaker |
| 20:14.20 | SpeedEvil | Speaker leads are least likely to be the problem. |
| 20:15.23 | polz | OMG, I'm glad the calling worked right out of the box |
| 20:15.33 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39291 |
| 20:15.47 | ScaredyCat | http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 20:15.53 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: i need to find the name of FIC's test lab so I can use them ;) |
| 20:15.59 | polz | how was anyone able to guess a working setting with _this_ many channels ? :) |
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| 20:17.04 | SpeedEvil | polz: you don't guess |
| 20:17.14 | Writchie | maybe u-boot menu is considered "normal configuration of the device" |
| 20:17.30 | SpeedEvil | polz: if you have a full diagram, and all of the settings mentioned, then it's fairly simple to generate mixer settings. |
| 20:18.14 | polz | SpeedEvil: 10x for all the help so far |
| 20:18.29 | SpeedEvil | roh: Is there an internal 'this is a picture of the soundcard mixers and switches with everything labelled with the alsamixer names, and what's connected to them' that is around internally? |
| 20:19.25 | roh | does https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem not help? |
| 20:19.36 | SpeedEvil | roh: It helps. Somewhat. |
| 20:19.59 | SpeedEvil | But which mixer on alsamixer is the four-way switch to the top-left (from memory), for example. |
| 20:20.10 | eggsy | roh: on X86_64 I was using gcc 4.1.2 with same error. The uic3.pro hack fixed here as well as 32 bit gcc 3.4.6 |
| 20:20.46 | roh | eggsy and on 32bit gcc4 it just works without patch? |
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| 20:20.55 | Waldmokomeister | hi! |
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| 20:21.46 | dcordes | Waldmokomeister: ho |
| 20:22.33 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: default charge gives up long before battery is fully charged. |
| 20:22.49 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I don't think so. |
| 20:23.00 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: unless batvolt lies. |
| 20:23.10 | Writchie | i think it does |
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| 20:23.14 | SpeedEvil | It stays at 4200mV for me. (which is actually a concern) |
| 20:23.45 | Writchie | i had a neo run out over the weekend. - charged at 40ma for 7 hours - then was able to reboot and its been drawing 490ma for the last two hours |
| 20:23.51 | roh | SpeedEvil which four way switch? |
| 20:24.23 | Waldmokomeister | dcordes: hi. i want to dial out, but gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F says can't open unix socket" |
| 20:24.27 | Writchie | i think you can float the battery up to 4.2V with well below a full charge in it. |
| 20:24.31 | SpeedEvil | roh: I mean in general - the mixer names and the labels on the diagram don't match. |
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| 20:24.57 | roh | SpeedEvil eh.. good question. i think we need to lokok that up in the source |
| 20:24.58 | Waldmokomeister | does the dialer work at moment? |
| 20:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: You can't. you have about 80% of charge once it hits 4.2V |
| 20:25.26 | SpeedEvil | This is inherent in the electrochemistry. |
| 20:25.31 | torpor | okay i'm out for the night - if someone has the time to review it and can send me some notes, please check out: http://w1xer.de/OpenMoko_DevNotesDRAFT.txt and let me know .. i'll be working on it again tomorrow, and hopefully will be finished with it tomorrow evening, for inclusion in the wiki .. |
| 20:26.37 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: are you sure that you actually triclkle charge li-ion from dead to 4.2 without giving up more than 20% |
| 20:26.57 | hhf423 | ok, I can set up a PAN with my k610i and then the neo connects to the internets via the k610i |
| 20:27.01 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: yes - if you keep the voltage at 4.2, it's fully charged in an hour. |
| 20:27.17 | SpeedEvil | This is actually bad for the battery - it shouldn't be floated at 4.2 |
| 20:27.29 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: can you leave it connected 24/7 safely? |
| 20:27.52 | cw666 | i mean to the usb cable |
| 20:28.17 | SpeedEvil | cw66: there is no actual risk - at worst it will degrade the battery faster. |
| 20:28.26 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: then I wonder where my 2 Watt Hours over the last two hours has gone? |
| 20:28.48 | cw666 | also, *what* stays drawing power when the device is off? the battery drains very quickly |
| 20:29.04 | Writchie | it's not heat |
| 20:29.25 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: what do you mean? |
| 20:29.57 | Writchie | I've been charging at 490ma for more than two hours - the neo runs on < 300ma |
| 20:30.20 | Writchie | this is after the 40ma charge went to zero. |
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| 20:30.49 | roh | cw666 i dunno if the gsm gets switched off properly. since that happens via at-command it could be that it doesn't i case gsmd is broken in the image |
| 20:31.10 | __Ace__ | anyone here that can give me ideas on how to calculate with precent when I cant use either doable or float? |
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| 20:31.22 | cw666 | roh: oh, good point, it almost certainly doesnt sometimes |
| 20:31.32 | cw666 | gsmd craps out a lot, i need to fix that then |
| 20:32.06 | cw666 | __Ace__: what do you mean? and fwiw, doesnt -msoft-float work? |
| 20:32.31 | Waldmokomeister | okay. found it. how do i configure my gsm-connection? should the dialer work from scretch? |
| 20:32.48 | polz | __Ace__: multiply everything by 100, calculate, then divide by 100 |
| 20:33.24 | __Ace__ | nah, -msoft-float doesnt seem to work in the crosscompiler I use since that seems to have standard libs created with HP |
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| 20:33.32 | polz | Waldmokomeister: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070825_with_2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
| 20:33.53 | __Ace__ | well, hardware float.. |
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| 20:42.13 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: see http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html |
| 20:44.25 | cw666 | __Ace__: HP? |
| 20:45.41 | roh | cw666 when you like to take measurements and have time.. see https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem#AT.40POFF |
| 20:45.57 | roh | bluetooth and lcm also eats a lot of power |
| 20:46.16 | cw666 | roh: the kicker is i dont really have a way to measure power draw |
| 20:46.38 | cw666 | well, not without making something... also, i notice checking the charging current the value is all over the place |
| 20:46.46 | cw666 | so im not even sure that driver is correct |
| 20:47.20 | SpeedEvil | chgcur is horrible. |
| 20:47.33 | SpeedEvil | You need to average some dozens of measurements. |
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| 20:47.46 | SpeedEvil | then it means something - but not for power draw. |
| 20:48.09 | SpeedEvil | roh: @poff is different from the echo 0 >/sys/wherever? |
| 20:49.05 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: for draw i was just thinking about using and external meter actually |
| 20:49.44 | SpeedEvil | I've got a breakin to measure battery current. |
| 20:50.21 | roh | SpeedEvil yes. |
| 20:51.10 | roh | SpeedEvil the entry in the sysfs only is a line which presses the power-on button on the gsm-pmu. but there is no way to switch it off via a line (design problem of the gsm-pmu) |
| 20:51.18 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: breakin? |
| 20:51.25 | __Ace__ | polz that doesnt work |
| 20:51.40 | __Ace__ | I wanna translate 0-870 to 0-320 |
| 20:51.44 | SpeedEvil | cw666: a way of connecting the meter in series with the battery. |
| 20:52.01 | roh | it was intended for featurephones with a button and people pressing it. |
| 20:52.04 | SpeedEvil | roh: ah - right. That explains a lot. |
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| 20:53.12 | roh | SpeedEvil and since its on when gsm is on it is also used for switching the latch between debug-board serial and gsm modem |
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| 20:58.59 | SpeedEvil | Hokay - it's drawing under 10mA with @poff activated. |
| 20:59.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:59.15 | SpeedEvil | Compared to 30 before |
| 21:00.18 | roh | SpeedEvil in which state? |
| 21:00.41 | roh | meaning.. what parts did you leave on |
| 21:00.57 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -h |
| 21:01.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Hhf423]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[P1_Owners]] [[USB_Networking]] [[Disassembling_Neo1973]] |
| 21:01.14 | SpeedEvil | getting more accurate measurement means. |
| 21:02.01 | roh | SpeedEvil can you try switching off all subsystems via sysfs before? |
| 21:02.22 | SpeedEvil | First I'm checking poweroff doing nothing accurately, poweroff doing @poff accurately |
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| 21:02.58 | SpeedEvil | then more - if it's not ~zero |
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| 21:07.36 | SpeedEvil | Ok - first confirmed at some 25mA at 4.2V. (just off via off button) |
| 21:10.21 | SpeedEvil | After @poff - 12mA |
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| 21:11.10 | SpeedEvil | Which implies that if it's gettable to 'zero' other than the modem, somewhere in the region of 100 hours should be plausible for standby time. |
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| 21:22.39 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: the CC portion of the cycle is nominally 1C - i've seen curves for 0.3C on some batteries but 40ma is 0.03C |
| 21:24.02 | SpeedEvil | roh: I can't find anything other than bluetooth, GPS, and the @poff technique - are there more power off sysctls? |
| 21:25.45 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: anyway, it looks to me like this very low current charge eventually raises the battery voltage to 4.2 where the charger then cutsoff. But this won't hold for very long. As soon as you boot, the voltage drops considerable and a normal CC/CV cycle kicks in. Only after 3 hours now am I down to 410 ma total current from the USB |
| 21:25.45 | SpeedEvil | Other than echo 0 > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0008/voltage* - which seems extreme. |
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| 21:26.52 | SpeedEvil | You can't raise the voltage on any rechargable battery to its maximum terminal voltage, for hours, and not have it charged. |
| 21:27.17 | SpeedEvil | The electrochemistry doesn't permit it. |
| 21:27.46 | Writchie | Writchie: it's charged for sure, but at what % of its capacity under proper charge conditions? |
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| 21:28.21 | SpeedEvil | Some 80-90% - if it's indeed at 4.2V |
| 21:28.36 | SpeedEvil | If it remains at 4.2V for 2 hours or so, it will be fully charged. |
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| 21:29.01 | SpeedEvil | Basically, it's an almost perfect integrator. |
| 21:29.04 | Writchie | I can't be sure what voltage the battery attained, only that the PMU killed charging |
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| 21:29.24 | SpeedEvil | If you charge it at 10mA for 120 hours, or 100mA for 12 hours, you get the same thing. |
| 21:29.48 | SpeedEvil | This starts to break down at high rates, where energy is lost as heat |
| 21:30.12 | Writchie | then what's the reason for not trickle charging li-ion? |
| 21:30.58 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: the reason is you don't (ideally) keep the float charge at 4.2V going on forever, as this damages the battery over time, and rapidly (well, more than normal) reduces its capacity. |
| 21:31.49 | SpeedEvil | The right thing to do is to turn off the charger, allow the battery voltage to be whatever it is, without drawing current from it, until it reaches 4.1V (?) at which point you turn the charger back on. |
| 21:32.06 | SpeedEvil | this may be after quite a long time. |
| 21:32.20 | Writchie | Writchie: yes, that's what I see in other charger spec sheets except 4.05 is usually the voltage to start a top off |
| 21:32.51 | Writchie | in any case, the charger for sure cuts off after 7 hour at 40ma which is not enough for a full charge but enough to boot. |
| 21:33.53 | mdt | cat someone enlighten me about the content of /etc/ipkg in the image Snapshot-20070819? it contains 6 config files where packages are doubled. while i installed a kernel 2.6.21.5-moko10 that came with the rootfs the ipkg update installed modules for 2.6.21.6-moko11-r2... what did i wrong? |
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| 21:35.53 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: there is a timer in the PC* chip, which limits the time. |
| 21:36.08 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it anyway. |
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| 21:38.43 | dcordes | how is the openmoko session initialized on bootup? |
| 21:39.14 | dcordes | is this any documentated? |
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| 21:39.32 | hads | What session are you referring to? |
| 21:39.50 | hads | You may want to look at /etc/matchbox/session |
| 21:39.54 | dcordes | "that X11 thing" that pops up after you boot |
| 21:39.58 | dcordes | ok thanks |
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| 21:44.38 | dcordes | hads: ok that looks interesting but I don't know how to solve my problem wiht it. Thing is: I switched from gpe to openmoko2 |
| 21:45.13 | dcordes | and when I remove gpe-login, starting X11 results in a flashing screen |
| 21:45.30 | dcordes | the X cursor appears then the screen is erased and started again in a loop |
| 21:45.49 | dcordes | I installed openmoko2-session after it but that doesn't work |
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| 21:53.17 | msfrank | hiya! i'm interested in hacking on the bluetooth subsystem, specificially the hands-free and phonebook-access profiles, and i was wondering if anyone knows how much development has progressed on that front (and where i could find the code) |
| 21:54.05 | juco2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
| 21:54.19 | bmidgley2 | msfrank: the latest bluez utils should have a workable headset impl |
| 21:54.31 | msfrank | ah thnx |
| 21:54.47 | juco2 | I don't see anything about phonebook access |
| 21:54.51 | msfrank | headset and handsfree are different iirc, i'm interested in interfacing with my car |
| 21:55.21 | juco2 | I think many of those profiles are missing from bluez |
| 21:56.04 | juco2 | http://www.bluez.org/profiles.html |
| 21:56.27 | bmidgley2 | the plan is for the voice support in bluez to support handsfree |
| 21:56.37 | bmidgley2 | it will use hf if available otherwise hs |
| 21:57.00 | msfrank | interesting, i'll have to look more closely at bluezs roadmap |
| 21:57.42 | msfrank | i'd like the phonebook support too, so my car stereo will display caller id =) |
| 21:57.44 | bmidgley2 | hads: a2dp is very close. if the codec scales down it would work with just a little hacking |
| 21:57.50 | eggsy | roh: with gcc 4.1.1 on 32 bit I still need the uic3.pro patch to build uicmoc4-native. I'll try with gcc 4.2 overnight |
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| 21:58.07 | hads | bmidgley2: Nice, I thought it was still a way off. |
| 21:58.12 | juco2 | phonebook sits on top of rfcomm, right? |
| 21:58.30 | msfrank | yeah |
| 21:58.33 | bmidgley2 | hads it depends on our codec. could use some optimization but i'm out of my depth |
| 21:58.41 | hhf423 | wayyy to go! |
| 21:58.41 | msfrank | well, everything is on top of rfcomm, pretty much |
| 21:58.54 | hads | bmidgley2: That's way out of my depth :) |
| 21:58.56 | msfrank | unless you are using the bt protocol over a wired protocol for some reason |
| 21:59.24 | msfrank | hhf423: yes, it is a dance alright ;) |
| 21:59.30 | bmidgley2 | hhf423: using PAN? |
| 21:59.35 | hhf423 | yes |
| 21:59.49 | bmidgley2 | write it up! :) |
| 22:00.21 | hhf423 | its a bit bizarre, but it works. I'll now update the wiki |
| 22:01.27 | juco2 | http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/Serial |
| 22:01.28 | SpeedEvil | Interesting and odd. Reducing the set CPU voltage by 10mV at a time reveals three distinct power states. |
| 22:01.37 | riot | mhmmm.. even the gtk.calendar-object looks good. but the fonts are all too BIG |
| 22:01.43 | juco2 | looks like pbap for the neo would be something fairly straightforward to implement |
| 22:01.48 | riot | how to get them smaller?? |
| 22:01.58 | juco2 | if you call reading the bluetooth spec straightforward |
| 22:02.04 | SpeedEvil | 2100-1850mV = 190mA |
| 22:02.15 | msfrank | juco2: seriously. the core spec is a 12mb pdf. |
| 22:02.21 | ewon | nic |
| 22:02.23 | ewon | e |
| 22:02.24 | SpeedEvil | 1850-1560 or so - 192 |
| 22:02.31 | SpeedEvil | 1560 and below - 170 |
| 22:03.04 | SpeedEvil | this is md5suming a file after each reduction |
| 22:03.31 | SpeedEvil | md5sum segfaulted at 1480mV |
| 22:04.00 | anrp | that's probably bad D: |
| 22:04.05 | riot | seriously, how did the core-developers realize such tiny fonts? all i get in pygtk is HUGE. |
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| 22:05.50 | SpeedEvil | And the system wedged - or at least fell off cdc_ether at 1460mV |
| 22:06.41 | anrp | SpeedEvil: the PCF chip has very limited resolution at high v |
| 22:06.52 | anrp | you get 0.025V steps up to 1.5 |
| 22:07.01 | anrp | then you get 1.8, 2.1, 2.4 |
| 22:07.04 | anrp | which is ... |
| 22:07.09 | SpeedEvil | That makes sense. |
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| 22:07.46 | anrp | the chip is run at 2.1v normally but the arm core isn't really rated for it |
| 22:07.47 | roh | SpeedEvil did you adjust the pll for different clocking? |
| 22:07.54 | anrp | which is why it disappeared from the later datasheets |
| 22:08.10 | anrp | yeah, the SOA graph tells you allowable speed vs voltage |
| 22:08.14 | roh | eggsy i use 4.1.2 and 3.4.6 here |
| 22:08.39 | SpeedEvil | roh: no. |
| 22:08.46 | SpeedEvil | This is at 266? |
| 22:08.54 | SpeedEvil | whatever the stock shipped version was. |
| 22:08.56 | anrp | 266 is only allowed at 2.1 |
| 22:08.57 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 22:09.01 | anrp | by the old datasheet |
| 22:09.03 | SpeedEvil | It seems stable at 1500. |
| 22:09.07 | roh | on gta01bv4 / P1 266mhz is default, yep |
| 22:09.08 | anrp | well it might work |
| 22:09.13 | anrp | but that there's overclockin land |
| 22:09.18 | anrp | or underclocking |
| 22:09.27 | SpeedEvil | serious undervolting. |
| 22:09.34 | anrp | D: |
| 22:09.43 | anrp | also, even if the current is the same |
| 22:09.57 | roh | anrp the 2410 can be run on 200mhz also.. i would need to look up at which voltage we did that |
| 22:09.58 | SpeedEvil | that was the battery current I was measuring. |
| 22:10.01 | anrp | the voltage output goes down. as long as it's one of the switching regulators, that means the power consumption goes down |
| 22:10.11 | anrp | o >_> yeah, probably battery |
| 22:10.13 | anrp | which is overall |
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| 22:10.41 | anrp | the 2410 can be run at anything from 20 to 200, by design |
| 22:10.53 | anrp | samsung used to rate chips to run at 266 with a higher v |
| 22:10.56 | anrp | but not anymore |
| 22:10.56 | riot | no app-developers awake? |
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| 22:11.07 | SpeedEvil | anrp: no - there are constraints on using a 12Mhz external clock |
| 22:11.17 | anrp | only if you need usb |
| 22:11.23 | anrp | and that's a seperate PLL anyway |
| 22:11.30 | SpeedEvil | Not, read the constraints on the clock PLL |
| 22:11.39 | SpeedEvil | it says 'minimum of 4* input frequency' |
| 22:11.50 | anrp | oh, so 48-200 then ~_~ |
| 22:11.52 | anrp | if the crystal is 12 |
| 22:11.59 | SpeedEvil | though it violates that on the recommended clocks table, and goes down to nearly 3* IIRC |
| 22:12.02 | anrp | or slow @ 12mhz |
| 22:12.12 | dcordes | when I press fn on my zaurus, openmoko-terminal changes input mode to greek-iso :( |
| 22:12.20 | anrp | greek, you say D: |
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| 22:12.42 | guaqua | it's still greek, not chinese :) |
| 22:12.46 | dcordes | s/openmoko-terminal/mrxvt |
| 22:12.46 | anrp | you can go pretty far outside ratings before things break |
| 22:12.53 | anrp | but... it's not dependable ~_~ |
| 22:13.05 | dcordes | I swear |
| 22:13.20 | MacNorth | me too! fvck ! |
| 22:13.20 | dcordes | I press fn => [Greek: iso] |
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| 22:54.25 | dcordes | how can I launch the openmoko xsession from command line? |
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| 23:00.15 | riot | dcordes: so, xserver-nodm is kdrive, actually? |
| 23:00.22 | juri_ | yay! i have an openmoko! :) |
| 23:00.34 | riot | juri_: congrats |
| 23:00.46 | dcordes | riot: riot er I think xserver-nodm is just that startmethod |
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| 23:00.51 | dcordes | but no idea to be honest |
| 23:01.04 | juri_ | ... after 14 days of shipping, including going to germany... |
| 23:01.09 | riot | dcordes: yeah, sure. but the underlying xserver in the default image.. is that kdrive? |
| 23:01.48 | riot | oh, yes it is |
| 23:02.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 23:03.33 | riot | xserver-kdrive - 1:1.3.0.0-r16 - X server from freedesktop.org |
| 23:03.42 | riot | quite obviously, it is. |
| 23:04.20 | dcordes | what's obvious? |
| 23:04.33 | riot | that ipkg-info about your xserver ;) |
| 23:04.45 | riot | not the fact itself, actually :> |
| 23:05.35 | dcordes | riot: how do you change themes in openmoko? |
| 23:06.09 | amirikin | i dont think there are other themes yet |
| 23:06.26 | SpeedEvil | vi :) |
| 23:06.42 | dcordes | amirikin: there are. |
| 23:06.45 | dcordes | the gpe themes... |
| 23:07.01 | dcordes | ipkg list | grep gpe-theme |
| 23:07.12 | dcordes | possibly not in openmoko :D |
| 23:07.36 | dcordes | SpeedEvil: so where's the setting file for that? |
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| 23:08.24 | dcordes | setting the theme |
| 23:09.09 | SpeedEvil | dcordes: I don't really knwo - I've been looking at low level stuff mainly. |
| 23:09.12 | SpeedEvil | Nott he apps. |
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| 23:09.41 | dcordes | ok I did not have the them installed somehow |
| 23:09.55 | dcordes | SpeedEvil: how would you start the openmoko xsession from command line? |
| 23:10.06 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -r -t 0 now |
| 23:10.17 | dcordes | no other way?` |
| 23:10.42 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - at the moment my server, to which my phone is attached is rebooting and fscking |
| 23:10.54 | dcordes | k |
| 23:10.56 | SpeedEvil | I think somewhere in /etc/rc* |
| 23:11.04 | SpeedEvil | Xsession? |
| 23:11.08 | SpeedEvil | xsession? |
| 23:12.08 | dcordes | SpeedEvil: perfect! |
| 23:12.09 | dcordes | thanks |
| 23:12.27 | polz | dcordes: /etc/init.d/x-something |
| 23:12.39 | dcordes | there is some breakage about my theme path |
| 23:12.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:13.25 | dcordes | there is an error messge right after session launch: "Failed to open file '/usr/share/pixmaps//lock.png': Not found |
| 23:13.30 | polz | btw, is there supposed to be any way to use mrxvt, or is it just loaded by default as a demo ? |
| 23:13.31 | dcordes | notice the 2x/ |
| 23:13.56 | dcordes | I like mrxvt but the new tab and close buttons could be bigger |
| 23:13.56 | polz | I mean... the thing doesn't seem to have a keyboard anywhere |
| 23:14.07 | polz | or am I missing something ? |
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| 23:14.23 | dcordes | polz: there is not much IM in openmoko2007.2 at all |
| 23:14.32 | dcordes | afaik |
| 23:14.45 | polz | instant messaging ?? |
| 23:15.00 | dcordes | polz: input method. |
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| 23:15.05 | polz | oh.. OK |
| 23:15.15 | dcordes | like display keyboard |
| 23:15.23 | polz | but the search widgets seem to have at least some sort of keyboard |
| 23:15.32 | polz | it's a bit silly that the terminal doesn't |
| 23:15.46 | riot | dcordes: there is the oe-input-manager. Works quite fine, but has a strange bug: you must start it via group "ALL" - not utilities |
| 23:15.52 | polz | ah, well, that should come along pretty soon, right ? |
| 23:16.09 | linux_galore | yeah, the UI on the OM seriously needs a bit of attention its still too primitive, if you compare it to a N800 you will see what I mean |
| 23:16.13 | dcordes | riot: I don't have groups |
| 23:16.31 | dcordes | but my device also have qwerty keyboard |
| 23:16.34 | riot | dcordes: on the today-launcher? in 2007.2? you should have them |
| 23:16.35 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: N800 has had >>>100* the funding. |
| 23:16.42 | dcordes | riot: nope. |
| 23:16.50 | dcordes | riot: actually I'm on angstrom |
| 23:16.52 | dcordes | :P |
| 23:16.59 | riot | dcordes: now.. go away :P |
| 23:17.16 | riot | dcordes: still you should be able to use the IM |
| 23:17.27 | polz | btw, has anyone managed to get the USB working as a host yet ? |
| 23:17.51 | dcordes | polz: modprobe ohci_hcd ? |
| 23:17.58 | dcordes | that should do the magic |
| 23:18.01 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: you do realise there are other FOSS UI's with no funding and they get it right |
| 23:18.09 | riot | that is possible? the openmoko-wiki doesn't mention THAT one.. |
| 23:18.17 | polz | dcordes: I'll do that in the morning |
| 23:18.24 | riot | linux_galore: name one. |
| 23:18.34 | polz | and see if I can attach a keyboard to the phone |
| 23:18.36 | dcordes | polz: you will need a powered usb hub |
| 23:18.39 | linux_galore | matchbox |
| 23:18.40 | cesarb | I just saw on the backlog that someone complained that nobody filed a bug on GSM850 not working... |
| 23:18.54 | polz | dcordes: can't I just wire a 5V line into a modified cable ? |
| 23:19.20 | cesarb | It would be better if someone who actually tried it filed the bug, as I so far only failed to see the GSM850 carrier on a network scan |
| 23:19.50 | linux_galore | whats the Linux UI they have on the Palm when you want to run Linux, that just looks awesome |
| 23:20.09 | riot | dcordes: are you sure, the neo supports host-usb? |
| 23:20.22 | dcordes | polz: I do it that way: wire a 5v line to the host cable of my mini usb hub |
| 23:20.27 | dcordes | riot: no |
| 23:20.37 | riot | dcordes: what platform are you using? zaurus? |
| 23:21.11 | dcordes | yes |
| 23:21.17 | cesarb | riot: the kernel driver for host usb on the neo AFAIK is not ready yet |
| 23:21.19 | polz | so.. good night |
| 23:21.25 | dcordes | riot: neo has usb host |
| 23:21.30 | dcordes | polz |
| 23:21.34 | dcordes | wait a second |
| 23:21.40 | polz | yes ? |
| 23:21.43 | riot | oh. Many dreams coming true in the near future, as it sounds. |
| 23:21.57 | polz | riot: don't count on it being near |
| 23:22.02 | cesarb | riot and host usb on the neo needs an Evil cable |
| 23:22.04 | linux_galore | riot: then you have Poky http://www.pokylinux.org/ |
| 23:22.10 | riot | like my EOS350D as a Mobile-Camera :D |
| 23:22.55 | riot | polz: uh, just some thousands of new hackers just received their neo phase1-device.. |
| 23:23.16 | cesarb | polz: *knocks on wood* shhhh |
| 23:23.37 | riot | np. The community is growing fast paced, imho. |
| 23:23.53 | linux_galore | Im surprised they dont try and integrate poky into the OM UI |
| 23:24.01 | riot | just today i convinced three friends just by showing up with the device :) |
| 23:24.04 | dcordes | polz: http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=z1xy6.jpg |
| 23:24.25 | cesarb | I have two friends who are just waiting for the software to be usable enough |
| 23:24.32 | riot | dcordes: eew.. that looks.. hardcore.. |
| 23:25.03 | riot | dcordes: what is that? wlan, bluetooth and what? |
| 23:25.27 | amirikin | im waiting until the hardware update |
| 23:25.38 | dcordes | riot: device is sharp zaurus sl-c1000 with usb hub connected to its usb host |
| 23:25.53 | dcordes | silver cable with little red and black wire |
| 23:26.02 | linux_galore | yeah, GTA02 will open allot of doors for better graphics |
| 23:26.02 | dcordes | these go to 2000mah li ion battery |
| 23:26.03 | polz | dcordes: that's waaay prettier than what I would have imagined |
| 23:26.05 | riot | dcordes: yeah, i can see that, but what usb-devices are connected? weird bunch :) |
| 23:26.25 | dcordes | rt73 based 802.11g device |
| 23:26.33 | riot | portable madness *bg* |
| 23:27.03 | dcordes | I can't wait getting my phase02 to try |
| 23:27.04 | riot | gdn8 polz |
| 23:27.09 | dcordes | cya polz |
| 23:27.53 | riot | yeah, we're sure all getting some shitloads of fun with the next generation neos.. this one's already coming with a great funfactor |
| 23:28.13 | amirikin | i just don't want to get a G2.5 device when they are going to turn around and release a g3 a few months later |
| 23:28.26 | amirikin | with a faster processor |
| 23:28.35 | riot | amirikin: the current device is G2 only. |
| 23:28.42 | linux_galore | amirikin: yeah but it will cost more |
| 23:28.54 | riot | if i'm not mistaken, there'll be no g2.5. |
| 23:29.06 | amirikin | cost more than buying this both this device and the next device |
| 23:29.07 | amirikin | ? |
| 23:29.13 | Kero | gprs is 2.5, no? |
| 23:29.16 | dcordes | riot: do you have any idea why my system is looking for wrong theme path? |
| 23:29.31 | riot | no.. edge is 2.5, afaik. GSM +GPRS are g2. |
| 23:29.41 | linux_galore | Im sort of put of that the GTA02 isnt G3 |
| 23:29.44 | riot | dcordes: uh. no |
| 23:29.49 | dcordes | nvm |
| 23:29.51 | riot | linux_galore: yep. |
| 23:29.58 | amirikin | gta02 isn't g3? |
| 23:30.05 | riot | linux_galore: but all the 2008-devices shall be g3, according to laf0rge |
| 23:30.11 | Kero | mm, as long as it has gprs, I'm happy enough |
| 23:30.29 | riot | Kero: ack, same for me. |
| 23:30.40 | Kero | now all I need is more time to hack. |
| 23:32.05 | linux_galore | yeah, there are flat rate pre paid data rates for G3 in many countries now |
| 23:32.14 | dcordes | riot: wanna see mokoui on my zaurus? |
| 23:32.20 | riot | Kero: if you're into developing apps, just switch to python. Takes half the time ;) |
| 23:32.49 | riot | dcordes: if you have some shots ready... ;) i was pretty pissed off about them not selling the device here. |
| 23:33.01 | linux_galore | dcordes: look on youtube under openmoko zaurus, there is a Zaurus with OM UI running on it |
| 23:33.12 | dcordes | riot: I got mine on ebay |
| 23:33.24 | dcordes | linux_galore: that should be my one |
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| 23:33.44 | dcordes | note that it is running on angstrom :) |
| 23:33.48 | riot | dcordes: i'm gonna have a look on youtube then |
| 23:33.48 | linux_galore | dcordes: aah |
| 23:34.06 | dcordes | also in the videos I did not unclutter the system. Looks much more like the real openmoko now :) I removed all the gpe stuff |
| 23:34.30 | dcordes | riot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSJo07MsZM |
| 23:35.05 | gcb77 | How can I prevent the NEO from connecting to the gsm network? |
| 23:35.08 | Kero | riot: I prefer Ruby :) But I guess this time I'll be changing apps, not making them |
| 23:35.13 | linux_galore | there is also a few pics on flickr, saw a few with a HTC phone running OM |
| 23:35.14 | Kero | If I can find the source |
| 23:35.20 | gcb77 | Right now it just keeps pinging the netowrk |
| 23:35.28 | Kero | which last time I looked seemed to be *** nowhere |
| 23:35.35 | dcordes | linux_galore: I bet that's goxboxlive's htc |
| 23:35.41 | dcordes | unfortunately not an omap one |
| 23:35.52 | dcordes | otherwise I would love totry one of his images ona friend's htc |
| 23:35.56 | riot | Kero: sorry, no ruby on angstrom |
| 23:36.16 | linux_galore | dcordes: looks ugly though |
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| 23:36.23 | Kero | riot: someone compiled it. and if I get the toolchain up, some day, I can too |
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| 23:36.34 | linux_galore | dcordes: wrong screen res |
| 23:36.36 | Kero | for Neo |
| 23:37.00 | Kero | but now, bedtime |
| 23:37.02 | dcordes | linux_galore: htc pwhone for mokoui? |
| 23:37.22 | linux_galore | dcordes: yeah, everything look chunky |
| 23:37.24 | dcordes | most htcs are 320x240 |
| 23:37.26 | dcordes | I bet |
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| 23:37.54 | riot | dcordes: uh, on that video.. that is not dialer2 |
| 23:38.42 | dcordes | not? |
| 23:38.44 | riot | dcordes: und hybsches kurz&gut im hintergrund ;) |
| 23:38.54 | riot | dcordes: no, mine looks different ;) |
| 23:39.33 | dcordes | riot: well everything looks bit unhybsch on both videos because as I already mentioned I didn't optimize thinks for mokoui when I made them |
| 23:40.10 | dcordes | riot: you told me about oe-input-manager |
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| 23:40.29 | dcordes | unfortunately that is not present in the angstrom feeds and I can't build right now for arm |
| 23:40.41 | dcordes | is there some repo I can fetch an ipk? |
| 23:40.57 | riot | dcordes: hmm.. that was part of the image, i took from the buildhost |
| 23:41.05 | riot | dcordes: there are many |
| 23:41.18 | dcordes | what's the most recent binary repo? |
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| 23:42.20 | riot | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/fic-gta01 << if i don't err.. that is one of the config files of my ipkg |
| 23:42.42 | dcordes | great thanks |
| 23:42.44 | riot | oh, a week old |
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| 23:43.28 | riot | but thats the most recent there is, yes |
| 23:43.31 | hads | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/ |
| 23:43.38 | dcordes | riot: could you possibly mean matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod? |
| 23:43.51 | riot | dcordes: possible, yes. I'm gonna have a look |
| 23:44.05 | riot | yep |
| 23:44.13 | riot | that one is installed, according to ipkg |
| 23:44.19 | riot | and matchbox-applet-inputmanager |
| 23:45.08 | dcordes | both up to date |
| 23:45.08 | hads | riot: That is the snaphot (i.e release snapshot) URL you posted, so it will be dated from the snapshot (19th) |
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| 23:45.48 | dcordes | hads: which version of both packages do I need in order to get a working keyoard-im? |
| 23:46.04 | hads | No idea |
| 23:46.55 | dcordes | I can't run matchbox-keyboard |
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| 23:47.26 | dcordes | how do you guys start your keyboard inputmethod? |
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| 23:47.41 | riot | geez. pygtk-dev is so simple... i wonder, why anyone would use something else.. |
| 23:47.58 | hads | dcordes: With the little white square thingy in the panel. |
| 23:48.12 | dcordes | riot: don't have that |
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| 23:49.10 | dcordes | maybe the angstrom feeds need some upgrading |
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| 23:49.39 | dcordes | I bet there is something lacking in the /et/matchbox/session in order to get the keyboard "thingy" :) |
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| 23:51.27 | dcordes | riot: can you trace what happens when you press the squary thingy? |
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| 23:52.28 | dcordes | I'm off later |
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| 23:56.26 | smappy | 1~2~ |
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| 23:56.50 | smappy | uit |
| 23:57.28 | zash_se | whops, thunderstorm |
| 23:57.42 | zash_se | Warning power loss detected on UPS overkill |
| 23:58.47 | riot | dcordes: uh. i could try |
| 23:59.14 | riot | perhaps the debug-output of xdrive is sufficient |
| 23:59.16 | riot | lets see |
