| 00:00.05 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 00:00.52 | mjr | probably he will manage, not really a big job, just a polish-up |
| 00:01.05 | mmazur | Should probably be constant based on some unique id inside neos? |
| 00:01.12 | SpeedEvil | IMEI |
| 00:01.34 | mmazur | Right. |
| 00:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Or BT, indeed, if that's unique. |
| 00:01.38 | mjr | I think I talked about using/basing on the BT MAC, which is also unique id inside neos |
| 00:01.50 | mjr | but you know, whichever |
| 00:03.08 | mmazur | Yeah. |
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| 00:04.01 | SpeedEvil | There is even a moderately good argument for using the SIM number. |
| 00:04.32 | mmazur | There is? |
| 00:04.48 | SpeedEvil | MAC portability between neos. |
| 00:05.10 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I can't see why it'd be a good idea, but it's an argument. |
| 00:05.20 | mmazur | Neither can I :) |
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| 00:05.23 | mmazur | And I'm trying. |
| 00:05.30 | mmazur | No plausible scenario comes to mind. |
| 00:05.47 | mellon | It makes a lot of sense to use the SIM as an ID for syncing. |
| 00:06.07 | mellon | So having the ID presented by the DHCP client be the SIM number actually makes a ton of sense. |
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| 00:06.36 | mellon | That way if you swap SIM cards you get a different IP address. |
| 00:07.14 | mmazur | Welll. |
| 00:07.39 | mmazur | There's a dhcp client running alongside the usb ether emulator? |
| 00:08.06 | SpeedEvil | don't see it |
| 00:08.08 | mellon | How else would it get an IP address? I don't know, I just assumed that's what it was doing. |
| 00:08.09 | SpeedEvil | running |
| 00:08.14 | SpeedEvil | static I assume |
| 00:08.24 | mellon | That can't really work. |
| 00:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Sure it can. |
| 00:08.35 | mellon | OIC, you're just configuring it manually. |
| 00:08.43 | mellon | Well, that works fine for us geeks. |
| 00:08.45 | SpeedEvil | I have no dhcpd. |
| 00:08.53 | SpeedEvil | or anything else running on my net |
| 00:08.59 | mellon | I wrote it - let me know if you need help getting it going. |
| 00:09.01 | mellon | ;') |
| 00:09.06 | SpeedEvil | so that's the only way it could have known its own address |
| 00:09.09 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 00:09.21 | abraxa_ | mellon: You wrote what? dhcpd? |
| 00:09.23 | mjr | one has to actually ask the question, that should the Neo run a DHCP server to give the host an address, for non-geeks... |
| 00:09.27 | SpeedEvil | remembering last octet has worked for me for a while :) |
| 00:09.59 | SpeedEvil | You mean so that you plug it in, and can talk over the GPRS? |
| 00:10.03 | mmazur | mjr, imho it should. |
| 00:10.11 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, yup. |
| 00:10.13 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, would be cool. |
| 00:10.24 | mmazur | That's what I'm planning. Probably makes sense out of the box. |
| 00:10.31 | mmazur | You plug it in and you have a network. |
| 00:10.34 | SpeedEvil | With password. |
| 00:10.43 | mmazur | Password? |
| 00:10.54 | SpeedEvil | you don't want someone plugging in your phone, and getting net. |
| 00:11.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm perhaps a little extreme on this. |
| 00:11.24 | mjr | yes you are |
| 00:11.31 | mmazur | Yes you are. |
| 00:11.37 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to be able to lock the phone down so hard that it can't be reflashed if the passphrase is forgotten. |
| 00:11.46 | SpeedEvil | even via JTAG. |
| 00:11.55 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, you're a geek, you'll be able to. It's overkill for ordinary users. |
| 00:11.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: kinda hard to prevent JTAG... |
| 00:12.00 | mmazur | I'm a geek and I wouldn't use it. |
| 00:12.06 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 00:12.12 | mjr | sure, put in a locked down mode where it doesn't talk to anything |
| 00:12.12 | SpeedEvil | It needs additional hardware. |
| 00:12.17 | rschuster | good night! |
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| 00:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Or at least epoxy :) |
| 00:12.35 | mjr | but if it's in a mode where you can make calls, it should be in a mode to have easy usbnet |
| 00:12.42 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 00:12.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: isn't just encrypting the whole flash enough? |
| 00:12.54 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:13.03 | SpeedEvil | Someone steals my phone, I don't want them able to use it. |
| 00:13.06 | SpeedEvil | At all. |
| 00:13.12 | mmazur | There should be a bodyguard coupon with the neo. |
| 00:13.19 | SpeedEvil | even if they find someone able to reflash it. |
| 00:13.28 | mjr | anyway, there's a bit of trouble here with what the dhcp server should serve the host |
| 00:13.41 | mmazur | mjr, meaning? |
| 00:13.48 | mmazur | Which subnet? |
| 00:13.51 | mjr | ok, pick a random local net and hope it doesn't interfere with other stuff the box might be connected to... |
| 00:13.57 | mmazur | mjr, yup. |
| 00:13.58 | ckuethe | what if i plug it into my laptop which already has net |
| 00:14.03 | mjr | default gateway? hmm... |
| 00:14.10 | ckuethe | i don't want dhcp overwriting that |
| 00:14.14 | mmazur | mjr, remember that if you want net from gprs, you usually don't have network somewhere else. |
| 00:14.38 | SpeedEvil | That's not completely true. |
| 00:14.39 | ckuethe | but i may want to load software from my laptop rather than gprs |
| 00:14.51 | SpeedEvil | I was _completely_ overloading my DSL connection - as a test. |
| 00:14.51 | mjr | mmazur, this is a device you need to plug into USB to charge it, too... |
| 00:14.57 | SpeedEvil | And GPRS was nice as an additional. |
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| 00:15.51 | mmazur | mjr, sure, but (a) normal ppl use normal chargers, they don't carry notebooks around and (b) normal ppl don't have gprs turned on all the time, so misrouting is not such a big deal. |
| 00:16.09 | mmazur | Ok, strike b. |
| 00:16.21 | mmazur | We want a subnet even without gprs. |
| 00:16.21 | mjr | yeah they hopefully will |
| 00:16.26 | mmazur | Think calendar syncs, etc. |
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| 00:16.28 | mjr | and yes we do |
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| 00:17.20 | mjr | I think the least sucky thing to do is that you need to tap an easily accessible setting before plugging in to have the phone serve up a default gw and named and stuff in addition to a network address |
| 00:17.51 | mjr | you know, an "I'm plugging this in to have intterweb" knob |
| 00:18.11 | SpeedEvil | does it make sense to ask for dhcp before serving it? |
| 00:18.23 | mmazur | Use cases ppl! |
| 00:18.28 | mmazur | Let's get some of those! :) |
| 00:18.37 | SpeedEvil | If you get back a nameserver, then it's probable that you've got internet on the far side |
| 00:18.58 | mjr | SpeedEvil, the point is that you don't want the nameserver or default route sometimes, and sometimes you do |
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| 00:19.33 | mjr | namely, sync/recharge/whatever should be minimal hassle, and the device should therefore serve up only a local subnet address |
| 00:19.33 | mmazur | Someone should write up use cases for this. |
| 00:19.41 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 00:20.07 | mjr | and if you're gonna go on-line, tap something on the phone to signal the internal dhcp server to give dns and gateway on next hookup |
| 00:20.30 | mmazur | mjr, or, when tapping to go online, get asked whether you want your laptop to also be online. |
| 00:20.50 | mmazur | (and don't get asked if you don't have a laptop connected) |
| 00:21.02 | Vegar | what if you have a workstation connected? |
| 00:21.08 | mjr | yeah or that, but if it's already hooked up, can the dhcp server feed the host with new data on-the-fly? |
| 00:21.38 | mmazur | Beats me. |
| 00:21.51 | mjr | I mean, if you already have just a local subnet, can the dhcp server suddenly hook up with the client and go "oh yeah, I want you to set default route and nameservers now too" |
| 00:21.53 | orzo | http://www.mphone.co.uk/acatalog/htc-6300.html |
| 00:22.00 | mjr | hmm, OTOH |
| 00:22.02 | orzo | does that phone suffer from the same AT&T sim issues? |
| 00:22.10 | orzo | it has Ti calypso |
| 00:22.18 | orzo | which is the gsm modem the neo uses, right? |
| 00:22.19 | mjr | there's no problem because you can run the interface down, then up again, and serve up the gw and dns |
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| 00:23.30 | mjr | so yeah, it can be done like that... "Go online" "Seems you have a laptop, wanna browse with that?" "Yeah sure", ifdown && ifup |
| 00:23.44 | mjr | well, a host anyway |
| 00:24.03 | mjr | (point from Vegar there that it's not always gonna be a laptop) |
| 00:24.34 | Vegar | there are endless possibilities |
| 00:24.41 | mjr | aand if plugged in to a host while network is up... what, ask again? |
| 00:24.54 | SpeedEvil | Could even be another neo :) |
| 00:24.56 | linux_galore | anyone has got the linksys usb wifi thumb thing working (there is a FOSS Linux driver) |
| 00:24.59 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:25.13 | linux_galore | s/anyone/wonder if anyone/ |
| 00:25.17 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: on the neo? |
| 00:25.20 | linux_galore | yeah |
| 00:25.25 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: I don't think USB host mode works. |
| 00:25.26 | mjr | hmm, initialize with just local settings immediately, and have a tap accessible that goes "hook up the host too" |
| 00:25.32 | SpeedEvil | There is missing code. |
| 00:25.48 | SpeedEvil | Well - usb host code does work - but only internally for BT |
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| 00:26.21 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: shame, be a great way to do some wifi dev early |
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| 00:26.40 | mjr | should be a matter of code, but who's gonna do it? :] |
| 00:26.51 | mjr | LaF0rge, our man |
| 00:27.07 | linux_galore | mjr: well the driver is done its in 2.6.22 already |
| 00:27.07 | mjr | umm, not in connection with the previous line ;] |
| 00:27.24 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: it wans't applied - at least recently. |
| 00:27.28 | mjr | oh, I assumed SpeedEvil was up to speed |
| 00:27.32 | SpeedEvil | there was missing code to flip pullups |
| 00:27.43 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if that's changed this week. |
| 00:28.13 | orzo | ++`` |
| 00:28.16 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: yeah I know its not in the OM kernel but it is in the official kernel |
| 00:28.57 | SpeedEvil | The patch in the OM tree that I saw had stuff which might or might not make it not work in host mode. |
| 00:29.10 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: Ive talked to people running Ubuntu Gutsy and its working |
| 00:29.35 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by official kernel? |
| 00:30.01 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: the Linux core kernel |
| 00:30.08 | SpeedEvil | I mean on what hardware |
| 00:30.21 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: PC |
| 00:30.31 | SpeedEvil | It's got hardware specific stuff needing doing |
| 00:31.23 | linux_galore | yeah i know but the driver is in the tree |
| 00:31.41 | SpeedEvil | What driver - the s3c usb turn driver do you mean? |
| 00:37.30 | SpeedEvil | mail machine regarding ordering? |
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| 00:41.26 | Mukunda_ | Okay, mokomakefile has completed, how do I run this? I can't see a binary. |
| 00:41.41 | rwhitby | got a phone? |
| 00:42.11 | Mukunda_ | No, I thought that mokomakefile built qemu. |
| 00:42.20 | rwhitby | It does - run "make qemu-local" |
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| 00:42.31 | Mukunda_ | Thanks! |
| 00:42.49 | rwhitby | (and then update the wiki documentation with that information in the place where you would have looked for it) |
| 00:43.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/07/plane.monkey/ |
| 00:43.29 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 00:43.44 | rwhitby | Mukunda_: you did read the mokomakefile wiki page before asking your question, right? |
| 00:43.59 | Mukunda_ | Yup. |
| 00:44.19 | Mukunda_ | Didn't see that, my fault. |
| 00:45.06 | rwhitby | your penance is to add the "qemu-local" target documentation to that section - let me know when you've done that. |
| 00:54.08 | jaebird | that ml is stellar these days :) |
| 00:54.50 | SpeedEvil | Stupid question - how do I set the phone to act as an internet gateway - and forward packets? |
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| 00:56.56 | mellon | Set up both interfaces, then sysctl -w net.ipv4.forward=1, I think. |
| 00:57.17 | mellon | You can get the exact name by typing "sysctl -a |grep forward" - that's what I always do. |
| 00:58.11 | mellon | abraxa_: yeah, I wrote dhcpd. |
| 00:58.24 | mellon | Throw the rotten tomatoes at me. :') |
| 00:59.05 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 00:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Thanks |
| 00:59.31 | mellon | np |
| 00:59.31 | abraxa_ | mellon: In that case I expect you to write a quality piece of code for the neo, too ;) |
| 01:00.22 | mellon | I'm working on it. |
| 01:00.41 | mellon | It's weird - I want to do UI work in a scheme-like language, and it turns out there's a guy the next town over who's doing the exact same thing. |
| 01:00.53 | SpeedEvil | sysctl -a |grep forward |
| 01:00.54 | SpeedEvil | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 01:01.01 | SpeedEvil | should be on then? |
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| 01:01.03 | mellon | ah, then it should be forwarding. |
| 01:01.04 | mellon | yes. |
| 01:01.07 | mellon | Is it not? |
| 01:01.11 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
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| 01:01.33 | mellon | Er, you may also need to set up NAT if you don't have routable addresses on both sides. |
| 01:02.25 | mellon | Otherwise, packets will go one way, but not the other. |
| 01:02.43 | mellon | Er, and you need to set up a default route on the machine that's on the far side of the router from the Internet. |
| 01:02.56 | Mukunda_ | rwhitby: I'll get it done in a couple of hours, got to head off to work. |
| 01:03.26 | mellon | So e.g. if you want to connect your laptop to the internet through your phone, you need to make sure that the laptop has a default route pointing at your phone, and no other default route. This is where dhcpd comes in handy... :') |
| 01:03.47 | rwhitby | Mukunda_: I'll be looking for it. Most people when they say that they never do it - but I expect that you're not one of those people ;-) |
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| 01:04.23 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - I was just trying the trivial case - so I thought - point to point routes |
| 01:04.38 | Mukunda_ | :-) I'll get it done, thanks. This is great! |
| 01:04.39 | mellon | That'll get you to your phone, but no further. |
| 01:04.44 | mellon | farther? |
| 01:04.46 | mellon | Sigh. |
| 01:04.48 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was just ip_forward on the neo, and setup a route so that the packets go from the phone to the net |
| 01:04.58 | SpeedEvil | oh well. |
| 01:05.13 | SpeedEvil | I need to read stuff :) |
| 01:05.36 | SpeedEvil | 'it worked like this when I used it in 2.4' |
| 01:05.48 | mellon | If you just want to get to the net from your phone, you don't need to turn on forwarding. |
| 01:06.05 | SpeedEvil | I've got the net on the phone. |
| 01:06.09 | mellon | ok |
| 01:06.13 | SpeedEvil | But a sharply limited number of client apps. |
| 01:06.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:06.27 | mellon | So you do want to connect from your laptop through the phone to the internet? |
| 01:06.31 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: you've got ssh - that's all you need |
| 01:07.15 | mellon | On your laptop, type "route add default gw --neo-ip-address--" where the last part is your Neo's IP address. |
| 01:07.20 | SpeedEvil | mellon: basically. I was just testing quickly before reading up on how it should be done |
| 01:07.22 | mellon | If your laptop is running OSX, leave out "gw". |
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| 01:07.34 | SpeedEvil | I've done that - for a route to one host |
| 01:07.48 | mellon | ah. then it's the nat that you need, probably. |
| 01:07.59 | mellon | otherwise the internet has no idea how to route to the source address you've given your Mac. |
| 01:08.04 | Mukunda_ | How does one open mail? I think it might be open, but the text is nigh invisible. |
| 01:08.07 | mellon | Er, your laptop. Little slip of the tongue there. |
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| 01:12.30 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - I'm getting ARP traffic over USB0 and nothing else |
| 01:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 01:15.40 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: do you have only one default route? |
| 01:16.22 | SpeedEvil | When that was happening, yes. |
| 01:16.33 | SpeedEvil | Deleted the 'normal' route to the interwebs. |
| 01:17.09 | rtyler | are there any tricks to getting your Linux box to recognize the USB device for DFU flashing? |
| 01:17.13 | rtyler | "No DFU capable USB device found" |
| 01:17.19 | doc|home | by the way, with the addition of the new graphics chip, does that mean the neo will have accelerated graphics? |
| 01:17.37 | Vegar | yes |
| 01:18.21 | rwhitby | rtyler: did you do the aux button on boot trick? |
| 01:18.33 | rtyler | yeah, I hit u-Boot no problem |
| 01:18.39 | SpeedEvil | It should 'just work' |
| 01:18.42 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: yes |
| 01:18.43 | rtyler | do you need to select "Set console output to USB" or something? |
| 01:18.46 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:18.55 | rtyler | ccnet% uname -a |
| 01:18.55 | rtyler | Linux ccnet 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:18.58 | SpeedEvil | when in uboot, it should appear as a DFU device |
| 01:18.58 | rtyler | ccnet% cat /etc/issue |
| 01:18.59 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 01:19.01 | SpeedEvil | lsusb |
| 01:19.01 | rtyler | Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 01:19.11 | doc|home | Mukunda: looks like you'll get accelerated graphics after all :) |
| 01:19.46 | rtyler | ccnet% lsusb |
| 01:19.46 | rtyler | Bus 001 Device 012: ID 413c:2005 Dell Computer Corp. |
| 01:19.46 | rtyler | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c016 Logitech, Inc. M-UV69a Optical Wheel Mouse |
| 01:19.46 | rtyler | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 01:19.47 | rtyler | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 01:19.49 | rtyler | craps |
| 01:19.58 | SpeedEvil | unplug, replug |
| 01:20.11 | rtyler | no change |
| 01:20.12 | SpeedEvil | does usb ethernet come up eventually? |
| 01:20.13 | rtyler | hrm |
| 01:20.19 | rtyler | AHA! |
| 01:20.22 | rtyler | Bus 001 Device 025: ID 1457:5119 |
| 01:20.33 | rtyler | still no DFU capable USB device found |
| 01:20.44 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 01:20.52 | SpeedEvil | that's the serial device I think |
| 01:21.21 | rtyler | woot, some unplug repluggery worked |
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| 01:22.11 | clare | Hi folks, THis is a bit off-topic but I need some help. I am not getting any emails from openmoko so if I got a response to mine about an |
| 01:22.52 | clare | invalid tracking number it has not arrived. So I have found from UPS that their Western Australian agent is AustMail, but I dont |
| 01:22.56 | rtyler | SpeedEvil: I think I got it, moving the rootfs over now |
| 01:23.26 | clare | know what might be on the package to show where it came from. Can anyone give me that information please? |
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| 01:24.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:24.27 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: takes several mins |
| 01:24.39 | mjr | Ok guys, based on our discussion, I made a short writeup of proposed USBnet policies for the final product, with some use cases to back the policies' saneness up on the USB Networking talk page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:USB_Networking |
| 01:24.42 | rtyler | yeah yeah, I'm at about 10 hashes :P |
| 01:24.44 | SpeedEvil | Been charged clare? |
| 01:24.54 | mellon | Clare, the label says: |
| 01:25.05 | mellon | (510) 683 2915 |
| 01:25.12 | mellon | FICA OPENMOKO |
| 01:25.17 | clare | yes, Aug 7 (but time differeces make exact date-time difficult :) |
| 01:25.20 | mellon | 5020 BRANDIN COURT |
| 01:25.40 | mellon | FREMONT, CA 94538-3140 |
| 01:26.01 | rtyler | mjr: out of curiosity, why 192.168.19.0/24, instead of say, link-local addresses? |
| 01:26.04 | mellon | That's it. |
| 01:26.21 | clare | mellon: that is great, thank you so much, I might even be able to ring them and get a sensible tracking number |
| 01:26.31 | mellon | w00t! |
| 01:26.40 | rtyler | they're in Fremont? |
| 01:26.44 | rtyler | I should go say hi :P |
| 01:26.47 | mellon | Heh |
| 01:26.53 | mellon | I'm sure they'd *love* a visit... :') |
| 01:27.12 | rtyler | "Can I have a debug board, pleeeaassseee?" |
| 01:27.15 | mellon | "Could you just label those boxes over there please? And schlep that pile over there?" |
| 01:27.25 | mjr | rtyler, mostly because those are some newfangled nonsense and I didn't recall if they existed |
| 01:27.49 | SpeedEvil | mjr: sounds mostley sane |
| 01:27.50 | rtyler | mjr: what do you mean, newfangled nonsense? |
| 01:27.56 | clare | So am I, but UPS have some rather horrid policies like if they cant deliver ( how many times) they send the package back :( |
| 01:29.07 | pjz | mjr: one thing to think about |
| 01:29.16 | rtyler | mjr: has anybody started working on ActiveSync-esque applications for OpenMoko? i.e. for syncing all this funness ;) |
| 01:29.30 | pjz | mjr: is how all that is going to work when the Neo also has wifi |
| 01:29.46 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: rsync? :) |
| 01:29.56 | rtyler | SpeedEvil: that's so user friendly ;) |
| 01:30.25 | mjr | rtyler, newfangled as in link-local addresses only came into being like, 5 years ago. I can't be aware of their presence intuitively. |
| 01:30.31 | pjz | Motorola calls it 'OTA' but it's really something else |
| 01:31.09 | rtyler | mjr: *cough* bonjour/avahi *cough* :) |
| 01:31.13 | rtyler | multicast FTW |
| 01:31.16 | clare | mellon I dont want to hassle them and it is getting late in CA now. I will try the local company today. Bye all for now I am at work. |
| 01:31.24 | mjr | rtyler, yeah yeah I know |
| 01:31.32 | rwhitby | OM2007.2 images and packages are uploading to http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ now |
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| 01:32.10 | Writchie | mjr: use cases are missing BT related use cases |
| 01:32.52 | SpeedEvil | It's not _horrible_. |
| 01:32.58 | pjz | FF? |
| 01:33.00 | SpeedEvil | google-maps works basically acceptably. |
| 01:33.03 | SpeedEvil | FireFox |
| 01:33.08 | pjz | ! |
| 01:33.22 | Writchie | is you prepaid SIM on fire yet? |
| 01:33.22 | mjr | Writchie, good point |
| 01:33.40 | SpeedEvil | I have free internet for 5 days more. |
| 01:33.52 | pjz | mjr: and you should plan for 802.11 too since it'll be here in October |
| 01:33.59 | mjr | yeah yeah |
| 01:34.03 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile-UK - if you buy a cheap pre-paid phone, you get 10 days free internet |
| 01:34.13 | Writchie | mjr: and UMA |
| 01:34.22 | mjr | it's half past four here, I can't think of everything right away :] |
| 01:34.22 | pjz | mjr: have you use an N770? |
| 01:34.24 | SpeedEvil | and then it's capped at 136K/1 pound /day |
| 01:35.04 | pjz | well, as long as the defaults are configurable, I'll be happy |
| 01:35.11 | rtyler | houston, we have UI |
| 01:35.17 | pjz | and if I'm not, I'll just rip their guts out until I am :) |
| 01:35.55 | mellon | SpeedEvil: do they have a deal for unlimited, or is it strictly metered? |
| 01:36.04 | mellon | top |
| 01:36.05 | mellon | oops |
| 01:36.11 | SpeedEvil | It's 7p/kb till you hit 1 pound. |
| 01:36.16 | SpeedEvil | Then it's capped. |
| 01:36.22 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 01:36.28 | SpeedEvil | there is a fair use of 40M/day |
| 01:36.33 | mellon | ah, so max about 30 pounds/month. |
| 01:36.40 | mellon | hm, that's easy to blow through with IMAP. |
| 01:36.43 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:37.08 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 01:37.16 | mellon | That's quite expensive. |
| 01:37.18 | Writchie | mjr: you have a good start. I'm thinking we need a pretty elaborate reference model, NEO, other phone, other NEO, laptop, desktop, home AP, work AP, work workstation, etc. |
| 01:37.22 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 01:37.29 | SpeedEvil | I haven't found a cheaper one in the UK. |
| 01:37.35 | SpeedEvil | Even contract isn't actually cheaper. |
| 01:37.39 | mellon | You could move to the U.S. :') |
| 01:37.57 | SpeedEvil | As the cheapest contract is 20 quid/mo. + 7.50 for 1G/mo internet |
| 01:38.22 | mellon | Oh, right, you don't have to pay voice. That's not so bad, then. |
| 01:38.37 | SpeedEvil | pay voice? |
| 01:38.41 | mellon | pay for voice |
| 01:38.56 | rtyler | is there a recommended way for shutting down/restarting the device cleaning? |
| 01:38.58 | SpeedEvil | With the pay-as-you-go SIM, you do. |
| 01:39.00 | rtyler | hard resets scare me |
| 01:39.13 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: power off using the menu from the power button |
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| 01:39.34 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: then if you need it to not drain the battery, you need to pull the battery, and reinsert it. |
| 01:39.39 | Writchie | neo reset is pop cover, remove battery, count to 10, re-insert battery |
| 01:39.48 | mellon | nono, I mean you don't have to pay for voice that you aren't using. |
| 01:39.49 | SpeedEvil | Othewise it'll drain it in a dayish. |
| 01:40.00 | SpeedEvil | Ah, yes. |
| 01:40.05 | rtyler | nice reset :P |
| 01:40.12 | SpeedEvil | Or incoming calls. |
| 01:40.13 | Writchie | standard master reset |
| 01:40.43 | mjr | I'm off to sleep, I left some open questions on the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:USB_Networking page |
| 01:40.55 | mjr | may return to that later |
| 01:40.58 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: there is a faster procedure documented on the wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
| 01:41.54 | SpeedEvil | Eeeh - someone drowned a neo. |
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| 01:42.40 | rtyler | any documents on inserting a bloody SIM card? |
| 01:42.55 | Writchie | my experience with handset immersion is much worse than this |
| 01:42.56 | rtyler | which way does it go! >_< |
| 01:43.03 | jaebird | insert with the notch out |
| 01:43.13 | SpeedEvil | there is a video on the wiki |
| 01:43.14 | jaebird | and the contacts facing the pads |
| 01:43.22 | Writchie | never did get to work for more than a few minutes afterword |
| 01:43.34 | jaebird | it slides into the cover |
| 01:43.54 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: was the blood virigin blood, because that's the only sort that really helps. |
| 01:44.12 | jaebird | there seem to be exactly one million different sim card holders in the world! |
| 01:44.22 | Writchie | haw, probably from a chicken |
| 01:44.29 | jaebird | every single motorola phone is different |
| 01:45.44 | rtyler | jaebird: aha, thanks |
| 01:45.58 | rtyler | this thing is a bit smalll for my fingers, so I didn't want to break anything :P |
| 01:46.06 | jaebird | you are not joking |
| 01:46.49 | Writchie | the only fully americanised SIM holder is the sliding kind, which unfortunately needs a bit of room. |
| 01:47.30 | rtyler | anybody gotten there's working with Cingular? :P |
| 01:47.45 | SpeedEvil | I think it's the flimsiest 'consumer facing' socket I've found. |
| 01:48.19 | Writchie | the neo or the sliding one? |
| 01:48.39 | SpeedEvil | the neo |
| 01:48.50 | Writchie | exceeded only by the micro SD |
| 01:49.10 | Writchie | MTBCD 47 seconds |
| 01:49.21 | Writchie | mean time before consumer destruction |
| 01:49.33 | SpeedEvil | I bent it at first, not expecting the microSD to slide in |
| 01:49.49 | SpeedEvil | and had to re-bend it before it'd work properly. |
| 01:50.05 | Writchie | me to, but not enough to damage it. |
| 01:50.17 | Writchie | it is similar looking to pop covers |
| 01:50.25 | Writchie | i did not expect to have to insert it |
| 01:50.31 | sagacis | rtyler, I'm working with Cingular, but using an old 2G sim |
| 01:52.04 | rtyler | working with, or have working ;) |
| 01:52.25 | sagacis | rtyler, sorry. Have working, as far as the software allows.... |
| 01:52.39 | sagacis | I made calls today. |
| 01:52.42 | sagacis | Test calls, that is. |
| 01:52.43 | rtyler | hah, nice |
| 01:52.53 | rtyler | I have no idea how good or bad my SIM is |
| 01:53.03 | sagacis | Check out the wiki page.... |
| 01:53.23 | rtyler | link? :D |
| 01:53.29 | sagacis | jaebird, what's the wiki page? |
| 01:53.35 | sagacis | (looking for it) |
| 01:54.03 | jaebird | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 01:54.06 | jaebird | that one? |
| 01:54.09 | sagacis | Yup |
| 01:54.57 | Writchie | LaF0rge: Is there an 850 problem or just paperwork screwup? |
| 01:56.21 | jaebird | i'm thinking about a google map with pins for people that have debug boards that are willing to de-brick neos. thoughts??? |
| 01:56.31 | nibbler_de | can you guys with the non working simcards make a photo of them and send them to moko@mobile.nibbler.de |
| 01:56.42 | rtyler | WOOT! |
| 01:56.44 | nibbler_de | i'd like to gather all details about it |
| 01:57.00 | rtyler | 62095 32K GT |
| 01:57.21 | jaebird | nibbler_de: there is a list on the wiki page above |
| 01:57.57 | jaebird | it includes all known info about the sim cards in question |
| 01:58.01 | nibbler_de | oh |
| 01:58.06 | nibbler_de | somebody did it already. |
| 01:58.07 | nibbler_de | great ; |
| 01:58.08 | nibbler_de | ;) |
| 01:58.23 | jaebird | although images may be cool, the "badge" description sort of does that already |
| 01:58.37 | rtyler | I can take a picture of mine :D |
| 01:58.40 | jaebird | yours truly started it |
| 01:58.48 | nibbler_de | bug id 666 - yeah right. ;) |
| 01:58.52 | jaebird | but many have since added them |
| 01:58.57 | rtyler | nibbler_de: you could coalesce that into a large page, just like, SIM_Cards |
| 01:59.04 | rtyler | go by network/provider |
| 01:59.30 | nibbler_de | the problem is that the details on that page don't help much with identifying the actual model of the card |
| 01:59.44 | nibbler_de | such as SIMphonIC 3G or gemalto expresso |
| 02:01.05 | jaebird | the back of each of the newer sim cards have the sku and vender/version info, the cingular silkscreen will not give any more info |
| 02:01.26 | jaebird | it is just fancy orange and blue artwork |
| 02:02.22 | rtyler | hrm, it seems all the images have broken on the "desktop" |
| 02:02.31 | nibbler_de | i'd be interested in pictures as they at least help identifying the vendor |
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| 02:02.59 | nibbler_de | vendors use different patterns of the metal plate contacts |
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| 02:03.19 | jaebird | nibbler_de: The vendor code is in the table |
| 02:03.24 | sagacis | rtyler, reboot. Sometimes that happens. Are you in qemu? |
| 02:03.31 | rtyler | no,on the device |
| 02:03.39 | nibbler_de | jaebird: how is it determined? |
| 02:03.59 | jaebird | the 5 digit sku is followed by a letter code |
| 02:04.40 | nibbler_de | yeah - but where does that information come from? |
| 02:04.41 | sagacis | rtyler, just shutdown and restart or "/etc/init.d/xserver-ndom restart" (or whatever it's called) |
| 02:04.50 | jaebird | from the sim card itself |
| 02:05.33 | nibbler_de | jaebird: do you point a gun at it and threaten it? |
| 02:06.00 | jaebird | nibbler_de: the 3G sim cards have the info on the sim card |
| 02:06.39 | rtyler | sagacis: can I run that from the terminal on the device :D |
| 02:06.47 | nibbler_de | is the gsm modem capable of querying that information? |
| 02:06.54 | sagacis | Yup, but you have to type carefully. |
| 02:07.10 | jaebird | nibbler_de: the 2g card that i got off of ebay had the info on the sim card holder that it came with |
| 02:07.45 | nibbler_de | uhuh - they usually print their logo in a corner |
| 02:08.34 | rtyler | you know that interface with like, the wheel in the bottom left |
| 02:08.39 | jaebird | don't know what to tell you, but these US sim cards have no other markings on them |
| 02:08.42 | rtyler | how the frak do you get out of that |
| 02:09.01 | jaebird | which is why we setup a table to help make sense out of the problem, is it a particular vender, sku, version, etc... |
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| 02:09.42 | rwhitby | rtyler: right bottom button I think |
| 02:10.26 | rtyler | I'll have to see if I can get some interface designer guys to help out on this ;) |
| 02:10.39 | rtyler | there's definitely some places that need some help |
| 02:11.45 | jaebird | nibbler_de: why the interest? are there non at&t cards having similar problems elsewhere? |
| 02:14.30 | sagacis | OK, so I called my other cell phone and got my voicemail. How do I hang up? |
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| 02:14.46 | rtyler | sagacis: slam the Neo down on the table |
| 02:14.50 | rtyler | it'll hang up :) |
| 02:14.53 | ckuethe | ath |
| 02:15.28 | sagacis | I'm from the dialer |
| 02:15.33 | sagacis | Pop the battery? |
| 02:15.42 | sagacis | 3 minutes into the call... |
| 02:15.55 | rtyler | sagacis: you can go back in the dialer I thought |
| 02:15.58 | sagacis | Guess I'll see if I can get into it from the shell |
| 02:15.59 | rtyler | I called a coworker and hung up |
| 02:16.02 | rtyler | can't remember how |
| 02:16.04 | jaebird | but it in an RF shielded room |
| 02:16.23 | nibbler_de | jaebird: i don't know yet - but that's what i'd like to find out |
| 02:16.33 | jaebird | s/but/put/ |
| 02:17.08 | nibbler_de | jaebird: i got a person at oberthurcs that will provide me with any and all cards they sell and be able to tell me to whom they sell it |
| 02:17.09 | jaebird | nibbler_de: ok...there might have been someone from NZ having problems last week, can't remember who |
| 02:17.48 | sagacis | I bought the woot |
| 02:17.53 | nibbler_de | the more important step would then be to get in touch with the respective operator and discuss a replacement of the simcards of the users that have problems |
| 02:17.56 | ajmitch | jaebird: oh that's comforting to know.. |
| 02:17.56 | jaebird | nibbler_de: there are a couple of those on the list |
| 02:18.38 | nibbler_de | as every operator of a certain size usually has more than one vendor |
| 02:18.39 | jaebird | ajmitch: it may have been user error :) |
| 02:19.01 | rtyler | damnit, rebooted, still no bloody images |
| 02:19.33 | ajmitch | jaebird: well there's only vodafone which uses gsm here in NZ :) |
| 02:19.55 | jaebird | nibbler_de: at&t uses several, Oberthur Card Systems, Gemalto (formerly Gemplus), Axalto, Giesecke & Devrient |
| 02:20.11 | jaebird | ajmitch: that was the provider they were trying to use... |
| 02:20.16 | nibbler_de | exactly |
| 02:20.25 | ajmitch | of course, that's the only one they could use :) |
| 02:20.31 | jaebird | i wish i remembered who it was |
| 02:21.31 | jaebird | seems like Gemalto is the biggest sim card offender on the list |
| 02:21.37 | jaebird | :) |
| 02:22.17 | jaebird | sagacis: hope the woot is dipped in alcohol ;) |
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| 02:29.01 | jaebird | gnite |
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| 02:54.00 | mellon | woot, my compiler just compiled itself for the first time! |
| 02:54.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:54.36 | mellon | now to see if it generated correct code... |
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| 03:39.07 | rtyler | god damnit, after taking my SIM card out of my regular phone, putting it in my Neo, and taking it back, my old phone doesn't recognize it >_> |
| 03:43.15 | sagacis | rtyler, you need to reinsert carefully. it should be OK |
| 03:43.36 | sagacis | I did it many times with no problems, using numerous sim cards |
| 03:44.51 | rtyler | there we go |
| 03:44.52 | rtyler | phew |
| 03:44.57 | rtyler | I was freaking out there :LP |
| 03:45.12 | sagacis | I bet. I've done a few of those in the last week or so |
| 03:45.22 | sagacis | I connected through gprs just now, but couldn't do anything.... |
| 03:45.25 | rtyler | I think I might have to go get a prepaid anyways, I can't receive text messages or phone calls |
| 03:45.35 | sagacis | You have a 3G? |
| 03:45.45 | rtyler | I can dial and connect, but my sound driver must be broked in that I can't hear or say shit |
| 03:45.49 | rtyler | GPRS AFAIK |
| 03:45.58 | rtyler | erm, or GSM |
| 03:46.01 | sagacis | The sound driver needs to be mucked with |
| 03:46.08 | rtyler | sagacis: you have to coax it eh? |
| 03:46.15 | sagacis | I worked on it today and got it working |
| 03:46.36 | sagacis | Not sure how I can get it to you.... (thinking) |
| 03:46.37 | rtyler | I'm trying to figure out if Ubuntu has any kernel images with usbnet already enabled, I'm deathly afraid of fux0ring my kernel :P |
| 03:46.44 | rtyler | sagacis: I can haz patch? :D |
| 03:47.21 | rtyler | sagacis: FWIW, I've posted some images for my iPhone touting friends to see ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/sets/72157600934925721/detail/ |
| 03:47.42 | rtyler | (now that I finally have rootfs >_>) |
| 03:48.21 | sagacis | I love the "some assembly required" card |
| 03:48.29 | sagacis | Good photos |
| 03:48.57 | ljp | I use that for a drinks coaster |
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| 03:53.01 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ is now fully uploaded and the nslu2-linux autobuilder will keep it current. |
| 03:53.45 | sagacis | rwhitby, Just in time! I was unable to build with MasterMakefile |
| 03:54.08 | rwhitby | sagacis: that's interesting, cause these are built with the nslu2 master makefile |
| 03:54.20 | sagacis | I believe it |
| 03:55.16 | sagacis | rwhitby, I got "ERROR: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (<string>, line 1) while parsing /home/moko/OM-2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/opie-help-en/opie-help-en_cvs.bb" |
| 03:55.37 | rwhitby | yeah, I get them too. luckily the images were built before those came into play |
| 03:55.44 | sagacis | The line looked fine to me. Perhaps the envvar wasn't set right |
| 03:55.49 | sagacis | Oh |
| 03:56.00 | sagacis | Are they the same images as yesterday?/ |
| 03:56.03 | rwhitby | (those are simply that someone has checked in some bad code) |
| 03:56.11 | sagacis | :( |
| 03:56.31 | sagacis | I have a pretty good handset.state. Where should I upload it for public consumption? |
| 03:59.15 | rwhitby | attach it to the wiki? |
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| 04:02.51 | Mukunda | rwhitby: oh, I'll get that wiki change done. :-) I suppose I need to create an account? |
| 04:04.59 | rwhitby | Mukunda: I guess so. |
| 04:06.24 | sagacis | rtyler, can you download this? http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/publicfolder/handset.sagacis.state |
| 04:06.38 | rtyler | yeppers |
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| 04:07.41 | sagacis | rtyler, So, then "alsactl -f handset.sagacis.state restore" should get you running |
| 04:08.32 | rtyler | man, now I have to get this onto the phone, which means I need to get usbnet running >_< |
| 04:08.56 | sagacis | Yup. I used .debs to get that working as indicated in the wiki |
| 04:09.01 | sagacis | No troubles |
| 04:09.06 | rtyler | link? |
| 04:09.12 | sagacis | Sure. Looking... |
| 04:09.46 | sagacis | Nope, no debs... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 04:10.09 | sagacis | Just the ifconfig usb0 ... |
| 04:10.19 | sagacis | Everything else worked on Feisty Fawn |
| 04:10.37 | rtyler | usb0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 04:10.38 | rtyler | :( |
| 04:10.47 | rtyler | do you know what kernel image you're using? |
| 04:11.03 | sagacis | I did have to "modprobe usbnet" I think |
| 04:11.22 | sagacis | w/"sudo" |
| 04:11.22 | rtyler | nothing |
| 04:12.13 | sagacis | hmm.... Trying to remember. This was a while ago |
| 04:13.50 | sagacis | rtyler, I'm running 'Linux ubuntu 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux' |
| 04:14.31 | sagacis | rtyler, I did to the "automatic method" from that wiki page also, but I don't think it worked for me |
| 04:14.56 | sagacis | maybe it did. I don't remember |
| 04:15.34 | sagacis | rtyler, does "lsmod | grep usbnet" return anything? |
| 04:17.16 | rtyler | yep :( |
| 04:17.20 | rtyler | usbnet, mii, and usbcore |
| 04:17.25 | sagacis | Good, it's there. |
| 04:18.01 | sagacis | Define an interface in /etc/interfaces as in the wiki |
| 04:18.10 | sagacis | sorry, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:18.57 | sagacis | What's your eth0 set to? If it's 192.168.0.x, that could be a conflict and you'll need to define a specific route |
| 04:19.05 | jipi | foo! finally finished the built! |
| 04:19.23 | sagacis | jipi, congrats. It takes FOREVER the first time. |
| 04:20.12 | rtyler | sagacis: no conflict there |
| 04:21.36 | jipi | sagacis: ya. the last time I did it was zaurus, then it was nslu2. now it's openmoko. quite a nightmare the first time round for all of them. |
| 04:22.53 | sagacis | rtyler, after adding usb0 to interfaces, does ifconfig work for you? |
| 04:23.39 | rtyler | sagacis: posting pictures to my blog, hold on :) |
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| 04:25.28 | rtyler | I need to make a commercial and post it to YouTube, ripping on the Motorola commercials "Hello Moko" |
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| 04:28.41 | mickey|ICE1092 | morning folks |
| 04:30.05 | ljp | hey mickey |
| 04:30.23 | rtyler | sagacis: so now that the file is edited, how do I sighup things such that ifconfig knows about the new device? |
| 04:30.34 | ljp | mickey: is there a way to detect headphone insert? |
| 04:30.48 | rtyler | ljp: look at the device *ducks* |
| 04:31.30 | sagacis | rtyler, I just ran ifconfig usb0 ... and it worked after that |
| 04:31.33 | ljp | and make the user change states via term? |
| 04:31.43 | rtyler | ljp: preferably ;) |
| 04:31.50 | rtyler | make'em edit a config file in the terminal :P |
| 04:31.51 | sagacis | ljp, manual phone! it's the most convenient! |
| 04:32.10 | sagacis | It's great to try to type on the tiny keyboard, reading the screen, while driving down the road at 70 mph! |
| 04:32.15 | rtyler | would it be feasible to hack the dialer to have "loopback" phone numbers |
| 04:32.24 | rtyler | i.e. to where you could call services on your phone? |
| 04:32.40 | rtyler | sagacis: the devices is there |
| 04:32.43 | rtyler | device* |
| 04:32.47 | rtyler | waiting for the phone to boot |
| 04:33.19 | sagacis | rtyler, does ifconfig show usb0? |
| 04:33.19 | rtyler | yes |
| 04:33.19 | rtyler | no IPv4 address though |
| 04:33.19 | sagacis | rtyler, you're probably golden now |
| 04:33.19 | rtyler | only IPv6 >_< |
| 04:33.23 | sagacis | rtyler, did you ifconfig it? |
| 04:33.34 | rtyler | aw bugger I need to set the inet address? |
| 04:33.48 | sagacis | rtyler, once. It'll set it on your next reboot |
| 04:34.09 | sagacis | you could try to find it in init.d |
| 04:34.40 | sagacis | I think /etc/init.d/networking force-reload will work |
| 04:35.00 | rtyler | YAHTZEE! |
| 04:35.02 | rtyler | root@fic-gta01:~$ uname -a |
| 04:35.02 | rtyler | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 25 18:45:34 CDT 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 04:35.04 | sagacis | Wait, ease |
| 04:35.05 | rtyler | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 04:35.09 | sagacis | Congrats! |
| 04:35.25 | sagacis | You can also do "ifdown usb0; ifup usb0" |
| 04:35.42 | sagacis | You'll have to restart the usb every time you disconnect the device |
| 04:36.05 | sagacis | You'll also have to clear your ~/.ssh every time to reflash as the device will have a different id |
| 04:36.24 | sagacis | "Now you know the true power of the dark side" so I am going to bed |
| 04:36.30 | rtyler | it generates a new key on boot O_o |
| 04:36.50 | sagacis | Yes. the 2007.2 images are MUCH faster to ssh |
| 04:36.55 | rtyler | sagacis: I mentioned you in the post, got a link or anything? |
| 04:37.13 | sagacis | Mentioned me in what post? |
| 04:37.26 | rtyler | sagacis: http://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/r_tyler_ballance/meet_openmoko |
| 04:37.26 | mickey|ICE1092 | ljp: headphone insertion should trigger an event on one of the input nodes. I can't recall which one now. I'm going to meet LaF0rge later today and will ask him |
| 04:37.38 | rtyler | oh yeah, any of you at LinuxWorld btw? |
| 04:37.47 | ljp | ok, thanks |
| 04:37.47 | mickey|ICE1092 | sagacis: I'm not entirely satisfied with it generating new addresses and keypairs every time it boots. We might do something about that |
| 04:38.06 | mickey|ICE1092 | np |
| 04:38.39 | sagacis | Heh... No. Too involved in life to blog... I'll see what I can do to start existing on the web |
| 04:40.07 | sagacis | mickey|ICE1092: We could save serious time by not regenerating the addresses and keypairs. It doesn't really need to, just when it's a new image |
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| 04:40.47 | mickey|ICE1092 | sagacis: agreed. would you like to open a bug report to further discuss this? (please use severity: feature) |
| 04:42.49 | sagacis | OK. I can go to bed tomorrow. :D |
| 04:42.51 | sagacis | :-D |
| 04:42.53 | sagacis | There it is. |
| 04:43.02 | mickey|ICE1092 | cool |
| 04:43.03 | mickey|ICE1092 | thanks |
| 04:44.41 | mickey|ICE1092 | what's up CM? |
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| 04:44.57 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Tried flashing with the kernel and rootfs from your page |
| 04:44.59 | sagacis | Which component? |
| 04:45.03 | CM | But now it doesn't boot |
| 04:45.28 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: darn. where does it hang? |
| 04:45.51 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: It shows the tux icon, covered with a line of text |
| 04:45.59 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: I flashed the ones from your page onto a Bv3 and it worked fine. |
| 04:46.16 | CM | 2d915.... (May 19 2007 - |
| 04:46.17 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: did you flash the new uboot? |
| 04:46.20 | mickey|ICE1092 | rwhitby: glad to know |
| 04:46.29 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: too old! new uboot fixes bug #419 |
| 04:46.31 | mickey|ICE1092 | !ombug 419 |
| 04:46.32 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 419, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 04:46.33 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: dfu download doesn't clean jffs2 partition |
| 04:46.34 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=419 |
| 04:46.38 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Ok, thanks |
| 04:46.50 | CM | I have a P1 and thought that the u-boot there would be ok |
| 04:47.00 | CM | Was a bit scared to flash it since I don't have a debug board |
| 04:47.09 | mickey|ICE1092 | yeah, that bu was just recently fixed |
| 04:47.13 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: where are you located? |
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| 04:47.24 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Gothenburg Sweden |
| 04:47.36 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: I've also started the nslu2-linux autobuilder building OM2007.2 images and packages at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ - let me know if anyone would prefer that I don't do that. |
| 04:48.38 | sagacis | !ombug 697 |
| 04:48.39 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 697, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 04:48.40 | cdbot2 | * * sagacis(AT)gmail.com: Don't generate security key pairs on every device boot |
| 04:48.40 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=697 |
| 04:48.55 | sagacis | gnite |
| 04:49.02 | rtyler | "Phil: A phone running xwindows is blowing my mind." |
| 04:49.19 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Thanks! Now it works :D |
| 04:49.31 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:49.34 | mickey|ICE1092 | hmm. sweden... i don't know anyone offhand with a debug board there |
| 04:50.49 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: The new u-boot worked, but now I got a kernel panic "not syncing: Ni init found" |
| 04:50.54 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: ipkg.nslu2-linux.org is hosted at OSUOSL, next to master.kernel.org, so it might take some load off the OM buildhost :-) |
| 04:51.02 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: you need to reflash |
| 04:51.07 | CM | ok, thanks |
| 04:51.17 | mickey|ICE1092 | the problem with the uboot was that it didn't clear the full partition via dfu |
| 04:51.25 | mickey|ICE1092 | so the image could have random bugs |
| 04:51.35 | CM | ok, thanks a lot again |
| 04:51.43 | mickey|ICE1092 | depending on old flash content |
| 04:51.44 | mickey|ICE1092 | or not boot at all |
| 04:52.07 | mickey|ICE1092 | np. |
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| 04:57.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | *sigh* |
| 04:57.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | the tracks are too old here |
| 04:57.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | the train moves too much |
| 04:57.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | i can hardly type |
| 04:57.46 | CM | Does anyone know wich of the headphones for the neo that is the right one? Long or short cable? |
| 04:58.29 | rtyler | mickey|ICE1092: between which cities are you traveling? |
| 04:58.35 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: I liked the ICE trains (Went from Hamburg -> Berlin -> Leipzig -> Nürnberg |
| 04:58.39 | mickey|ICE1092 | rtyler: Frankfurt/Main -> Berlin |
| 04:58.51 | mickey|ICE1092 | CM: i know that the Motorola EZX ones work for sure |
| 04:58.53 | rtyler | by way of Hamburg? |
| 04:59.18 | mickey|ICE1092 | let me check |
| 04:59.37 | rtyler | RB was a nightmare to try to get work done on though >_> |
| 04:59.50 | mickey|ICE1092 | actually i have no idea, because this is the so called sprinter that makes no stops in between |
| 04:59.57 | rtyler | ah, cool |
| 05:00.44 | rtyler | hrm, now if I can only get USB Networking routing through my workstation to the public internet, I'll be set |
| 05:02.48 | mickey|ICE1092 | hrw blogged about that |
| 05:02.54 | mickey|ICE1092 | if you're on linux, it's three lines |
| 05:03.10 | CM | Wow, 2007.2 looks awsome! :D |
| 05:03.19 | rtyler | mickey|ICE1092: |
| 05:03.20 | rtyler | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 05:03.29 | rtyler | I'm using the automatic method on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 05:03.34 | rtyler | are you talking about the post-up commands? |
| 05:04.09 | mickey|ICE1092 | and you can even do it automatically once usb0 shows up |
| 05:04.10 | mickey|ICE1092 | ok, going to reboot. bbl |
| 05:04.32 | jipi | i can't seem to find the pinout of the debug board v2. anyone has any idea? |
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| 05:18.13 | Tokal | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 05:23.33 | mickey|ICE1092 | ? |
| 05:23.36 | mickey|ICE1092 | heh |
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| 05:57.48 | CM | Is there any way to get the on screen keyboard working on 2007.2? |
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| 06:03.20 | mickey|ICE1092 | ya, launch the input manager app |
| 06:03.22 | mickey|ICE1092 | and then you should see the infamous white rectangle in the Top Panel |
| 06:04.48 | CM | Ah, ok. thx |
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| 06:09.07 | RedDog | Has anybody modified the MokoMakefile for 2007.2? |
| 06:11.57 | mrface | RedDog: I don't think so. rwhitby is online though |
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| 06:13.32 | rwhitby | RedDog: MokoMakefile will begin to build OM2007.2 when mickey|ICE1092 makes the announcement that it's ready. |
| 06:13.47 | rwhitby | (and you will need to do a complete rebuild from scratch when that happens) |
| 06:13.53 | RedDog | rwhitby: means you have allready make a new one ... |
| 06:14.08 | rwhitby | at the moment, you can use the nslu2-linux master makefile to build it |
| 06:14.37 | RedDog | i ask because i have also modified it ... but i'm not shure if mine is correct ... |
| 06:14.55 | rwhitby | pastebin it and I'll take a look |
| 06:15.21 | mickey|ICE1092 | actually i don't want mokomakefile to build 2007.2 until we release the corresponding announcement and the image is working |
| 06:15.58 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: exactly |
| 06:16.17 | mickey|ICE1092 | ~lart gconf_client_notify_add |
| 06:16.17 | apt | nukes gconf_client_notify_add with a single large nuke |
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| 06:17.42 | RedDog | mickey|ICE1092: ok for me, but i actually wanted to know if my work on it is ok ... |
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| 06:20.52 | rwhitby | RedDog: have you pastebin'd it? |
| 06:21.47 | mickey|ICE1092 | sigh |
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| 06:21.55 | mickey|ICE1092 | my gconf_client_notify callback doesn't get called |
| 06:21.57 | mickey|ICE1092 | any hints? |
| 06:21.59 | mickey|ICE1092 | should be nothing more spectacular than |
| 06:22.01 | mickey|ICE1092 | gconf_client_dir_add( "/foo" ) |
| 06:22.09 | mickey|ICE1092 | gconf_client_notify_add( "/foo/bar", my_callback, NULL, NULL, NULL ); |
| 06:22.11 | mickey|ICE1092 | shouldn't it? |
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| 06:23.25 | mickey|ICE1092 | err, wait |
| 06:23.30 | mickey|ICE1092 | gconfd is per-user, right? |
| 06:24.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | hah |
| 06:24.41 | mickey|ICE1092 | nm, works now |
| 06:28.26 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: glad we could help ;-) |
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| 06:31.20 | mickey|ICE1092 | hehe |
| 06:31.29 | mickey|ICE1092 | ya know, sometimes it's just enough to have someone to tell it to |
| 06:31.47 | mickey|ICE1092 | and then it gets clear |
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| 06:33.40 | mickey|ICE1092 | ok, neod honors now a power management profile w/ gconf. now just need to enable the user choosing one and we're set for the first simple iteration |
| 06:33.54 | CM | Nice :) |
| 06:34.31 | mickey|ICE1092 | because there's nothing else to do |
| 06:34.31 | mickey|ICE1092 | heh |
| 06:35.58 | buz | is the mailinglist broken or my mailserver? |
| 06:36.10 | buz | no mails since last evening |
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| 06:41.18 | mrface | mickey|ICE1092: what did you do to make it work? |
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| 06:42.00 | mrface | mickey|ICE1092: and how on earth are you on IRC from the train? they have wifi? |
| 06:42.08 | RedDog | rwhitby: no don't know this 'pastbin' ... i have uploaded it to my space ... |
| 06:42.28 | rwhitby | ~pastebin |
| 06:42.28 | apt | methinks pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 06:42.47 | RedDog | ok ... then it's on my own pastbin ^^ |
| 06:43.02 | RedDog | thanks .. |
| 06:43.39 | LaF0rge | mrface: mickey used his GPRS flatrate, I'm quite sure |
| 06:44.22 | mrface | LaF0rge: ahh, of course. just enough bandwidth for IRC I guess |
| 06:44.38 | LaF0rge | I'm actually quite fine using it with UUCP-over-SSL, too |
| 06:44.48 | LaF0rge | you don't really care if an email is sent within one or five minutes... |
| 06:44.52 | LaF0rge | and it's compressed+batched |
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| 06:45.23 | mickey|ICE1092 | what does the archive says? |
| 06:45.26 | mrface | I did not know that was possible |
| 06:45.28 | mickey|ICE1092 | if there's nothing there, then it's probably a problem at our end |
| 06:45.57 | LaF0rge | mickey: I'll make sure the people who will pick you up will have woken up by the time you arrive ;) |
| 06:46.02 | mrface | !logs |
| 06:46.02 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 06:46.03 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 06:46.05 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 06:46.06 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 06:46.09 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 06:46.23 | LaF0rge | mickey: I don't have my car here, 'just' the motorbike ;) |
| 06:46.43 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: will OM2007.2 still have an SVN overlay over oe.dev? |
| 06:46.44 | LaF0rge | so far I feel like I'm almost the only person awake ;) |
| 06:46.58 | mickey|ICE1092 | yes, indeed. gprs flatrate |
| 06:47.04 | mrface | it just says "gconfd is per user right?" "hah" "nm, it works now" |
| 06:47.06 | mickey|ICE1092 | mrface: i just started to change the gconf values from the same user neod listens for :) |
| 06:47.08 | mickey|ICE1092 | yes, irc'ing works. everything else is too heavy |
| 06:47.13 | CM | LaF0rge: Don't feel like picking up mickey on the bike? :D |
| 06:47.16 | mickey|ICE1092 | LaF0rge: sita is nearly full. please increase simfs size |
| 06:47.18 | mickey|ICE1092 | rihgt |
| 06:47.27 | LaF0rge | mickey: I fixed that last night. |
| 06:47.41 | mrface | mickey|ICE1092: root? |
| 06:47.42 | LaF0rge | mickey: actually, it was the real partition, we don't use quotas |
| 06:47.58 | mrface | are you guys all at chaos camp? |
| 06:48.21 | CM | buz: The community list says Last message date: Thu Aug 9 03:53:00 CEST 2007 |
| 06:48.21 | LaF0rge | cm: I wouldn't mind, but there will be a luggage problem, and a '2nd helmet problem', plus I don't think mickey is interested in that either... |
| 06:48.45 | LaF0rge | mrface: alphaone, stefan_schmidt, mickey soon, will (from taipei) tonight, roh, ... |
| 06:49.26 | mrface | how exciting! I'm sure you all will have a productive sprint. you'll be working on OM2007.2? |
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| 06:49.59 | mrface | haha |
| 06:50.18 | LaF0rge | seriously, those four days are my holidays for this year |
| 06:50.53 | CM | That sucks.. I got 2 weeks and that feels short, and I haven't worked a third as much as you do anyway |
| 06:50.59 | LaF0rge | well, there's the netfilter developer workshop next month which also qualifies as holidays at the moment |
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| 06:51.32 | LaF0rge | mh. If I now ride the bike across the campsite (to go to the bakery) everyone will be pissed by the noise. |
| 06:51.41 | mrface | my next holiday is a week at burning man :) |
| 06:51.46 | CM | What bike is it? |
| 06:52.16 | mickey|ICE1092 | LaF0rge: ok, thanks (both for sita and pushing someone to pick me up) :) |
| 06:52.24 | mickey|ICE1092 | LaF0rge: will will come tonight? good! i was afraid I'd miss him because i want to leave tomorrow |
| 06:52.32 | mickey|ICE1092 | right. i don't fancy motorbikes a lot ;) |
| 06:52.34 | mickey|ICE1092 | (not even when i'm driving) |
| 06:52.48 | mickey|ICE1092 | mrface: yes. neod runs as root and i was changing values as user. no wonder nothing happened :) |
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| 06:53.10 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Same here, I prefer cars (even better if I don't have to drive ;)) |
| 06:53.27 | mrface | mickey|ICE1092: got it. thanks, I need the same thing in my program |
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| 06:55.05 | rushforth | mrface: I will be at burning man too :) |
| 06:55.54 | rushforth | mrface: 9 & E if your bored (which I doubt you will be ;) |
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| 06:56.17 | mrface | rushforth: cool. I am in the Carbofuckination camp... we will have LOTS of carbonated beverages... especially beer |
| 06:56.38 | rushforth | mrface: awesome! you guys know where your camping yet? |
| 06:56.40 | mrface | rushforth: I don't know our address yet, I'll have to ask |
| 06:57.01 | mrface | rushforth: someone does, but I forgot it |
| 06:57.07 | rushforth | mrface: http://visitbatcountry.org :) |
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| 06:58.49 | mrface | rushforth: looks like fun. :) I can't wait. I think I will definitely have to head over on thursday for mimosas |
| 06:59.13 | rushforth | mrface: awesome. :) |
| 06:59.42 | LaF0rge | CM: BMW F650ST |
| 06:59.47 | LaF0rge | CM: 11 years old |
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| 07:00.14 | CM | :) |
| 07:00.49 | LaF0rge | mickey: you'll arrive at 11:06 or something, right? |
| 07:05.10 | ScaredyCat | did anyone manage to get a copy of tune2fs for arm / |
| 07:05.11 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 07:06.53 | mickey|ICE1092 | LaF0rge: correct. 11:06 Eberswald Hbf, Gleis 3 |
| 07:07.22 | mickey|ICE1092 | hmm.. svn ci doesn't really cut it over gprs |
| 07:07.35 | LaF0rge | mickey: well, you just wait ;) |
| 07:08.05 | mellon | Just don't get one if you go to India. It's the next thing to suicide. |
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| 07:11.55 | mickey|ICE1092 | hmm |
| 07:11.55 | mickey|ICE1092 | svn: Ãœbertragen fehlgeschlagen (Details folgen): |
| 07:11.56 | mickey|ICE1092 | svn: PROPFIND Anfrage fehlgeschlagen auf »/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod« |
| 07:11.58 | mickey|ICE1092 | svn: PROPFIND von »/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod«: Konnte Status-Zeile des Servers nicht lesen: Secure connection truncated (https://svn.openmoko.org) |
| 07:12.01 | mickey|ICE1092 | ~lart gprs |
| 07:12.01 | apt | plops gprs into a giant vat of herring |
| 07:19.34 | rtyler | mickey|ICE1092: stumble across those three lines to get routing working between the linux host (w/ usbnet) and the Neo? |
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| 07:25.10 | ScaredyCat | rtyler: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 07:29.25 | ScaredyCat | you'll probably want these too@: |
| 07:29.29 | ScaredyCat | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 07:29.29 | ScaredyCat | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 07:29.29 | ScaredyCat | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 07:29.53 | mellon | Did you set up a DHCP server yet? huh? huh? ;') |
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| 07:32.49 | ScaredyCat | mmm.. my 770 just turned itself on |
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| 07:48.57 | Placid | mornin' |
| 07:52.07 | rtyler | mellon: no >_> |
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| 07:54.30 | mellon | oh well. there's always tomorrow. see you guys later. |
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| 08:18.11 | squalyl | hi all |
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| 08:19.52 | CM | What does the "Factory reset" option in u-boot do? |
| 08:20.18 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 08:20.33 | CM | I only have two options there, Boot or Factory Reset, and right now boot gives "Incorrect magic number" |
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| 08:23.51 | squalyl | i'm seeding vmware images with openmoko devel environments by bittorrent, as anounced on the community mailing list before his death... If you want to have a try... http://tracker.unsads.com |
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| 08:25.54 | Stephmw | squalyl: whose death? |
| 08:26.12 | florian | good morning |
| 08:26.20 | Stephmw | CM: factory reset sounds a little ominous in a bootloader |
| 08:26.23 | squalyl | Why do I not receive any new message from any openmoko lists? |
| 08:26.33 | Stephmw | their server probably had a hiccup |
| 08:26.43 | CM | Stephmw: I thought so too, not sure I dare try it |
| 08:26.44 | rtyler | mailman has been fucked all daty |
| 08:26.58 | CM | It's not mentioned on the wiki, and I can't find anything else about it |
| 08:26.58 | rtyler | CM: Factory Reset pwns ur box :) |
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| 08:27.22 | Stephmw | squalyl: if you read LaF0rge's blog, you'll see OM have a few infrastructure hiccups ;) |
| 08:27.28 | CM | rtyler: Well, my Neo doesn't boot now anyway. (Damn magic number..) |
| 08:27.37 | Stephmw | LaF0rge: btw, I admire your frankness |
| 08:27.53 | Stephmw | CM: think it's perhaps a bad partition/MBR magic? |
| 08:28.01 | Stephmw | CM: can you mount it as a USB drive? |
| 08:28.13 | CM | Not now, I'm at work |
| 08:28.28 | CM | But I'll try reflashing kernel and rootfs when i get back home |
| 08:30.21 | ScaredyCat | CM: have you zero'd the flash and retried ? |
| 08:30.47 | CM | ScaredyCat: Not yet. I'll try when I get home |
| 08:31.37 | ScaredyCat | I accidentally flashed the root fs into the kernel space... |
| 08:31.40 | CM | Not sure how to get to that nand erase thing.. Don't get that dev/ttyA... thing |
| 08:31.45 | ScaredyCat | gae me the bad magic number thing... |
| 08:32.23 | ScaredyCat | just zero'd then and reflashed |
| 08:32.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: It booted this morning, but not now when I tried again |
| 08:32.23 | ScaredyCat | did you recently reflash? |
| 08:32.35 | CM | This morning, after that everything worked |
| 08:33.06 | squalyl | I had a question; where can I find the cool app-chooser that is displayed on www.openmoko.org's phone picure? |
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| 08:33.53 | ScaredyCat | for the nand thing , boot up with aux+power and then start minicom (or similar) make it use /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 08:34.20 | ScaredyCat | the dev should appear when you boot te device... ust hit retrun a couple of times |
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| 08:34.35 | ScaredyCat | squalyl: om2007.2 |
| 08:34.55 | squalyl | thanks |
| 08:35.01 | squalyl | (I'm building it now) |
| 08:35.06 | CM | ScaredyCat: The problem was that I didn't get a /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 08:35.09 | ScaredyCat | mickey|sports: has some ready made images |
| 08:35.20 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 08:35.31 | CM | squalyl: http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ |
| 08:35.41 | jeddy3 | the picture on www.openmoko.org is just a mockup, right? |
| 08:35.44 | rtyler | are mickey's images stable? :D |
| 08:35.47 | rtyler | jeddy3: which image? |
| 08:35.49 | CM | Those ones worked for me (But no gsm or gprs yet) |
| 08:36.19 | CM | rtyler: No, not stable at all. :D |
| 08:36.23 | ScaredyCat | they're stable, but they bollox up the libs, so anything you've compiled will have to be redone |
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| 08:36.38 | rtyler | I haven't gotten to compiling stuff yet :/ |
| 08:37.03 | ScaredyCat | or any existing compiled apps, eg ttn from the Go |
| 08:37.10 | rtyler | ugh |
| 08:37.20 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, ah, so anything built with bitbake working in 2007.1 is not sure to work in 2007.2? |
| 08:37.33 | ScaredyCat | it's nice to play with but om2007.1 is more usable |
| 08:38.08 | ScaredyCat | no, just mickey|sports' images... I haven't tested self build om207.2 yet |
| 08:38.37 | ScaredyCat | I suspect the results will be similar though.. |
| 08:39.11 | squalyl | looks good... |
| 08:39.14 | squalyl | [squalyl@localhost build]$ bitbake openmoko-devel-image |
| 08:39.14 | squalyl | ERROR: Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, please install one of them. A 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. |
| 08:39.15 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.33 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, it would explain my strange experiences with building scummvm for 2007.2 |
| 08:39.50 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, building other things for 2007.1 worked perfectly |
| 08:40.05 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. |
| 08:40.15 | ScaredyCat | which makes it a bit of a bugger tbh. |
| 08:41.02 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I just play with the flick scrolly stuff, a couple of games of map then it's back to om2007.1 |
| 08:41.16 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, :D |
| 08:41.42 | squalyl | Note for all: On Fedora 6 I needed to yum install python-sqlite, which was not needed with bitbake 1.6 . |
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| 08:50.17 | bluefir | hiya |
| 08:50.56 | bluefir | I guess base-files are handled like other oe packages? with a local overlay? It would be handy to have customized /etc/hosts, /etc/profile, /home/root/.ssh, etc. for each image build. |
| 08:54.43 | hrw | bluefir: package CANNOT touch HOME dirs |
| 08:56.31 | bluefir | Hmm, even root, eh? Thanks, that's good to know. |
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| 08:58.26 | ewanm89mob | Yeah, but you could make a script run first boot? |
| 08:59.46 | bluefir | Yeah, that'll have to be the way to go. |
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| 09:05.50 | squalyl | argh |
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| 09:06.09 | squalyl | is python-sqlite2 recent or what? |
| 09:06.21 | squalyl | I only have python-sqlite on fedora core 6 repos |
| 09:06.39 | zecke | squalyl: yes, if you use the latest (as of svn) version of bitbake |
| 09:06.54 | zecke | try that? |
| 09:08.51 | squalyl | Yeah, I wanted the last bitbake to build OM2007.2 but I guess I'll need a lot of boring configure-make-make install to do before it works |
| 09:09.02 | squalyl | Maybe, an older version of bitbake is sufficient? |
| 09:09.29 | zecke | squalyl: unlikely, as this feature requiring sqlite for the implementation was added for OpenMoko |
| 09:09.47 | zecke | squalyl: install python-sqlite and see how that works? |
| 09:10.54 | squalyl | It doesn't work |
| 09:11.00 | squalyl | I have python-sqlite installed |
| 09:11.04 | zecke | squalyl: why doesn't it work? |
| 09:11.09 | squalyl | bitbake complains about python-sqlite2 |
| 09:11.14 | zecke | squalyl: what files is python-sqlite installing? |
| 09:11.18 | squalyl | I guess this "2" is important |
| 09:11.24 | squalyl | files: no idea... |
| 09:12.00 | hrw | python-sqlite supports sqlite2, python-sqlite2 support sqlite3 |
| 09:12.08 | hrw | bitbake use sqlite3 database |
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| 09:12.28 | squalyl | The error I get is: ERROR: Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, please install one of them. A 'python-pysqlite2' like package is likely to be what you need. |
| 09:12.28 | zecke | hrw: and both implement the dbapi interface, so both could work |
| 09:12.36 | squalyl | I have sqlite3 but not the python related part |
| 09:12.44 | zecke | squalyl: we were at that point |
| 09:13.19 | squalyl | I'll have to do what I don't want to... Get this thing from source... |
| 09:13.48 | zecke | squalyl: At least try to make bitbake use your version of python-sqlite? |
| 09:14.10 | squalyl | sqlite2 and 3 are really incompatible |
| 09:14.11 | xkr47 | no import duty expected, but $216 VAT I guess :) |
| 09:14.36 | zecke | squalyl: sure the db, but the python sqlite bindings implement the DBAPI interface |
| 09:15.26 | squalyl | I have abolutely never touched a python source file... Where can I find where the import is needed? |
| 09:16.17 | zecke | squalyl: grep for "python-pysqlite2" |
| 09:18.18 | fix-- | prolly a faq but haven't seen the answer |
| 09:18.39 | fix-- | as the current neo is sold out and it will be available starting september |
| 09:18.59 | fix-- | will that be the revesion version of the neo (the on with wifi) or still the current one? |
| 09:19.16 | fix-- | s/on/one |
| 09:19.20 | squalyl | zecke: it's imported in persist-data.py |
| 09:19.34 | zecke | squalyl: how does this line look like? |
| 09:19.43 | squalyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.57 | squalyl | I'll try "fom pysqlite import dbapi as sqlite3" |
| 09:20.24 | zecke | just try it |
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| 09:22.28 | squalyl | zecke: exactly the same error :/ |
| 09:22.59 | squalyl | (yes I re ran setup.py install) |
| 09:25.09 | zecke | squalyl: open a python shell (just by typing python) |
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| 09:25.28 | zecke | squalyl: and type from py...." |
| 09:25.43 | zecke | squalyl: and you don't need to install bitbake, you just put the bin/ directory into your PATH |
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| 09:28.28 | squalyl | zecke: nothing good... No package found. I'll review my python setup. |
| 09:29.41 | squalyl | very strange... pysqlite IS installed, because yum uses it! |
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| 09:31.17 | squalyl | this sucks: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/sqlitecache.py:import sqlite |
| 09:31.30 | squalyl | I know what to do now |
| 09:33.00 | squalyl | I will blow up my computer... : ERROR: Please set the 'CACHE' variable. |
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| 09:48.25 | ewon | anyone here subscribed to the openmoko community list? |
| 09:49.22 | ScaredyCat | y |
| 09:49.25 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 09:49.32 | rtyler | of course |
| 09:49.36 | rtyler | and yes, it's broke right now |
| 09:49.53 | ewanm89mob | yes, |
| 09:50.06 | ewon | what was the last email to the list? |
| 09:50.15 | ewon | my mail server is having.. difficulty |
| 09:50.28 | rtyler | ewon: l4st p0st! |
| 09:50.56 | ewon | last thing I'm seeing is: |
| 09:50.58 | ewon | 1935 Aug 8 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer (3344) Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed |
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| 10:03.49 | daxxar | Where can I find the touch-test-ting? |
| 10:04.25 | daxxar | (I mean, the finger-test-program, where in the source tree is it?) |
| 10:04.54 | rtyler | grep! |
| 10:05.46 | daxxar | Same here, ewon. Perhaps it's the ml server? |
| 10:06.00 | daxxar | rtyler: What for? :-) |
| 10:06.00 | rtyler | it's mailman being shit, move along :) |
| 10:06.16 | rtyler | daxxar: grep -ri "touchytouchy" ./* |
| 10:06.17 | rtyler | :D |
| 10:06.45 | daxxar | rtyler: ^_^ |
| 10:08.39 | daxxar | "openmoko-finger-demo" |
| 10:08.52 | daxxar | daxxar@unsane:~/openmoko$ grep -rI openmoko-finger-demo . |
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| 10:13.07 | rtyler | daxxar: if you *really* want to help out, fix text messaging :D |
| 10:13.16 | rtyler | and say, my sound driver >_< |
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| 10:13.51 | daxxar | "fix"? Is there even a start of text messaging? |
| 10:14.48 | ScaredyCat | yeah, make it pushemail :) |
| 10:16.39 | Dmitry_Platonov | how much faster "real" neo is compared to qemu emulation? |
| 10:16.49 | rtyler | about -25% |
| 10:17.04 | ScaredyCat | eerrrm |
| 10:17.08 | rtyler | it of course, depends on the machine hosting QEMU :) |
| 10:17.17 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:17.27 | ScaredyCat | how long is a piece of string |
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| 10:17.56 | ScaredyCat | on my 1.6ghz laptop qemu is asstastically slow |
| 10:18.22 | rtyler | that's what you get for buying a celeron |
| 10:18.29 | ScaredyCat | the real neo is about 5.599222005992992555 times faster |
| 10:18.48 | ScaredyCat | give or take 10-20 times |
| 10:18.54 | daxxar | Haha |
| 10:18.55 | daxxar | neo_vib_switch: Buzz, buzz. |
| 10:19.31 | ScaredyCat | I had fun with that too :P |
| 10:20.00 | ScaredyCat | rtyler: the laptop only cost 300 ... I'm not complaining |
| 10:20.15 | ewon | asstastically, nice |
| 10:21.44 | ScaredyCat | Dmitry_Platonov: pt it this way... on the real neo when I click the dialer icon, the dialer is there in ~3 seconds |
| 10:22.43 | ScaredyCat | "expect you to talk? I expect you to die" |
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| 10:23.07 | ewon | you guys see that DVD-R laser hack on slashdot? |
| 10:23.25 | rtyler | sure |
| 10:23.33 | ScaredyCat | nope.. |
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| 10:24.42 | daxxar | Takes ~3 seconds here, ScaredyCat |
| 10:24.47 | daxxar | Your laptop SUCKS, man! Sucks! |
| 10:24.58 | daxxar | I have a 1.4Ghz |
| 10:24.58 | rtyler | daxxar: I think he knows that <_< |
| 10:25.08 | daxxar | (but it's a dual-core pentium) |
| 10:25.34 | daxxar | Wait, I lied, it's a 1.83Ghz, but it's currently running at .. 1GHz? |
| 10:25.38 | daxxar | I think it's the PM kicking in. |
| 10:26.02 | ScaredyCat | that'll be the other 16 processors you have |
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| 10:26.11 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 10:26.22 | daxxar | But it has the vmx-extension or whatitsname |
| 10:26.28 | daxxar | The emulation support. |
| 10:26.33 | daxxar | Dunno if qemu uses it though. |
| 10:26.42 | daxxar | I would guess that's only for x86 emulation? |
| 10:27.23 | ScaredyCat | depends if you built x86 images really... |
| 10:27.42 | daxxar | As I said, I guess it's only for x86, and I'm building the elite arm-binaries! |
| 10:28.05 | daxxar | I can't be arsed to build a separate x86-environment just for testing, too much hassle (and diskspace). |
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| 10:30.40 | ScaredyCat | you know what... |
| 10:31.01 | ScaredyCat | the neo is a cheaper SMS gaeway than the fox board based one |
| 10:31.15 | ScaredyCat | s/gaeway/gateway/ |
| 10:31.48 | rtyler | silly bot |
| 10:32.02 | ossman | nbd, ping |
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| 10:40.13 | daxxar | I bet it's a lot cheaper to buy a stand-alone modem, ScaredyCat, or perhaps a pcmcia-modem + pcmcia->pci-card. :-) |
| 10:41.04 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I kow, I was just really making the point that the fox board one was a fecking rip off |
| 10:41.21 | daxxar | yes |
| 10:41.29 | daxxar | That's true. ;-) |
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| 10:44.46 | mbuf | is there anyone who is using gmail for openmoko mailing lists? have you received any e-mails the last few days? |
| 10:44.56 | rtyler | mbuf: the mailman server is fucked up right now |
| 10:45.06 | *** topic/#openmoko by rtyler -> The mail server is broked |
| 10:45.15 | rtyler | oh wow, didn't expect that to work |
| 10:45.34 | *** topic/#openmoko by rtyler -> The OpenMoko Project -- http://openmoko.org -- Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at http://direct.openmoko.com || Yes, the mailing lists are down |
| 10:45.39 | mbuf | rtyler, ok |
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| 10:45.55 | xkr47 | is it so that a) first batch only included a plektra (to open the moko with) b) only black phones include a plektra ? I got two white-orange and one black and only the black seemed to contain a plektra |
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| 10:47.24 | masterbrian | Greetings, I'm having problem compiling openmoko. I've followed the wiki of monomakefile step by step, and tryed several ways, but I always get the same error, while compiling perl-native-5.8.7-r3: |
| 10:47.26 | masterbrian | | ccache gcc -c -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/gdbm -O2 -DVERSION=\"1.04\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.04\" -fpic "-I../../.." SysV.c |
| 10:47.28 | masterbrian | | SysV.xs:7:25: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:47.29 | masterbrian | | make[2]: *** [SysV.o] Error 1 |
| 10:47.31 | masterbrian | | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/perl-5.8.7/ext/IPC/SysV' |
| 10:47.32 | masterbrian | | make[1]: *** [lib/auto/IPC/SysV/SysV.so] Error 2 |
| 10:47.33 | mbuf | xkr47, its quite easy for me with the fingers; i guess it would depend on the size of your hand? |
| 10:47.34 | masterbrian | | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/perl-5.8.7' |
| 10:47.35 | rtyler | AHHH FLOOD! |
| 10:47.35 | masterbrian | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 10:47.37 | masterbrian | NOTE: Task failed: /home/masterbrian/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/perl-native-5.8.7-r3/temp/log.do_compile.11200 |
| 10:47.39 | rtyler | masterbrian: PASTE BIN! |
| 10:47.39 | masterbrian | NOTE: package perl-native-5.8.7-r3: task do_compile: failed |
| 10:47.41 | masterbrian | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 10:47.43 | masterbrian | NOTE: package perl-native-5.8.7: failed |
| 10:47.45 | masterbrian | ERROR: Build of openmoko-devel-image failed |
| 10:47.47 | masterbrian | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 |
| 10:47.49 | masterbrian | it seems that asm/page.h is missing, and I'm unable to fix this problem. Anyone here can help me? Thank you |
| 10:48.00 | xkr47 | mbuf, oops wrong person ? |
| 10:48.02 | masterbrian | ops, sorry |
| 10:48.05 | ScaredyCat | use pastebin.ca masterbrian |
| 10:48.21 | ScaredyCat | slags |
| 10:48.44 | ScaredyCat | +COPS: (2,"T-Mobile NL","TMO NL","20416"),(3,"NL KPN ","NL KPN","20408"),(1,"vodafone NL","voda NL","20404"),(3,"Orange NL","Orange","20420") |
| 10:48.49 | ScaredyCat | schweet |
| 10:49.03 | masterbrian | here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/650968 |
| 10:49.04 | mmazur | vodkafone |
| 10:49.32 | rtyler | mmm vodkafone |
| 10:49.36 | masterbrian | this is the error that I get while trying to compile openmoko using mokomakefile |
| 10:49.57 | masterbrian | anyone can help me please? |
| 10:50.03 | rtyler | patience |
| 10:50.08 | CM | masterbrian: That's a common error and I think the solution can be found in bugzilla |
| 10:50.11 | hrw | mokomakefile is obsolete |
| 10:50.37 | masterbrian | hrw I've updated mokomakefile using the procedure described in to the wiki |
| 10:50.43 | mbuf | masterbrian, asm/page.h: No such file or directory; missing some -I or don't have header files |
| 10:51.07 | guerby | counter |
| 10:51.08 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1797;252) |
| 10:51.11 | hrw | masterbrian: we all wait for openmoko core team to announce final switch to 2007.2 software and building from OE directly |
| 10:51.14 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar, I uploaded new images. Please make subdirs under Dmitry_Platonov: 20070808, 20070809 etc. |
| 10:55.39 | nbd | ossman: pong |
| 10:56.01 | ossman | nbd, I've got my hands on a ar6k now. How's the status? :) |
| 10:57.01 | daxxar | Dmitry_Platonov: Do you think om.daxxar.com/dmitry or something would be a better/simpler url? |
| 10:58.54 | daxxar | Check privmsg, and I'll get you a nicer URL. |
| 10:59.06 | ScaredyCat | tiny url it |
| 10:59.37 | daxxar | We'll figure something out. :-) |
| 10:59.54 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ |
| 11:00.05 | ScaredyCat | buildhost.daxxar.com |
| 11:00.12 | rwhitby | autobuilds every 15 minutes |
| 11:00.46 | nbd | ossman: if i plug in the card, the probe works and it starts initializing the hardware, but the controller locks up after 1-1.5 seconds |
| 11:00.53 | nbd | ossman: this is with using single byte ops only |
| 11:01.03 | nbd | ossman: if i do mmc_io_rw_extended, it locks up immediately |
| 11:01.14 | ossman | nbd, the kernel, or just the device? |
| 11:01.24 | nbd | just the device |
| 11:01.40 | nbd | the controller reports 'operation still in progress' and can't be reset anymore |
| 11:01.49 | daxxar | Hm, I guess Dmitry_Platonov disappeared. :-P |
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| 11:02.13 | ossman | nbd, I don't suppose you have different controller to try with? |
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| 11:02.28 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:03.44 | Dmitry_Platonov | there is one small fix in my 20070809 image - it does not include /etc/pointercal, which will result in calibration on first boot. |
| 11:04.08 | hrw | Dmitry_Platonov: supplied one does not work for you? |
| 11:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: Do you know anyone in Oman? |
| 11:04.50 | SpeedEvil | If so, you could get dimitry.om. |
| 11:06.45 | Dmitry_Platonov | hrw, when using stock images my touchscreen is miscalibrated, and I cannot run calibration tool (still did not setup network between host & qemu) |
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| 11:07.59 | nbd | ossman: not yet |
| 11:08.04 | nbd | ossman: but i'll try to get one |
| 11:08.23 | ossman | nbd, do you know the progress of the other openmoko guys? |
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| 11:12.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03nbd * r2668 10/developers/nbd/ar6k/hif/hif.c: ar6k: replace direct mmc_io_rw_extended calls with calls to sdio_*, use one-byte ops only (for testing) |
| 11:12.34 | nbd | ossman: not really. if you want to test my driver, i just checked in the version used in my last test |
| 11:12.46 | ossman | gladly |
| 11:13.35 | ossman | nbd, do you know who works on it at least? :) |
| 11:14.12 | nbd | i think i'm the only one working on ar6k |
| 11:14.53 | ossman | oh. I figured since this is the chip of choice, that there were some core guys hacking on this :) |
| 11:15.13 | nbd | well, the task of porting the driver was assigned to me |
| 11:15.38 | nbd | i guess there will be more people cleaning up the driver when it starts working |
| 11:16.18 | ossman | ok. block transfer support is in my tree, being pushed in a bit at least |
| 11:16.32 | ossman | together with assorted bug fixes |
| 11:17.03 | nbd | if i use block transfer, the card locks up even faster |
| 11:17.10 | nbd | so i used single byte transfers only |
| 11:19.06 | ossman | nbd, have you tried 1-bit bus? |
| 11:19.19 | ossman | the marvell card I have goes belly up on 4-bit transfers |
| 11:25.03 | Mukunda | How do you open mail in this email client in openmoko? I would have assumed you just select the email and it'd show below. |
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| 11:27.27 | CM | Ooohh.. Shiny! http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08/08/review_sony_vgntz11xn/print.html |
| 11:27.44 | CM | But £1,799 is way out of my budget for a laptop.. :( |
| 11:28.14 | ScaredyCat | yeah you can buy a car for that ;) |
| 11:28.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: I did last month :D |
| 11:28.31 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 11:29.57 | nbd | ossman: yes, 1 bit behaves like 4 bit |
| 11:30.03 | nbd | ossman: card dies after 1-2s |
| 11:30.07 | ossman | bummer |
| 11:30.09 | nbd | ossman: also tried changing the clock speed |
| 11:30.14 | nbd | that also made no difference |
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| 11:31.55 | ossman | nbd, annoying thing. which card do you have? |
| 11:32.33 | SpeedEvil | I bought a car for exactly the same price as my neo :) |
| 11:32.50 | nbd | ossman: some accton ar6k devel card |
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| 11:32.58 | nbd | don't know the name of it |
| 11:33.03 | SpeedEvil | (it was not a good car) |
| 11:33.18 | ossman | nbd, ok. I have a card directly from atheros. perhaps it will behave differently |
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| 11:44.05 | ossman | nbd, have you changed anything other than hif? |
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| 11:45.25 | Mukunda | How on earth do you open mail in the openmoko email client? |
| 11:45.47 | Mukunda | Does it not yet work? |
| 11:46.02 | abraxa__ | Mukunda: 2007 or 2007.2? |
| 11:46.33 | mjr | I have a suspicion that the 2007 message app is just a gui demo, though haven't bothered to examine that |
| 11:46.37 | rwhitby | email client working - that's being optimistic |
| 11:47.08 | abraxa_ | Yeah cause either way, the client is a 2007 app which is no longer under development anyway |
| 11:47.32 | XorA | Id have thought modest was the most sensible way to go for email in openmoko |
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| 11:48.06 | hrw | modest is based on tinymail? |
| 11:48.13 | XorA | hrw: I beleive so |
| 11:56.43 | rwhitby | the tinymail author was on the community list early on, I wonder if he got a device? |
| 11:56.46 | Mukunda | abraxa_: 2007.2 I think, how can I check? |
| 11:57.04 | rwhitby | does the power button turn it off? |
| 11:57.22 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 11:57.23 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.27 | Mukunda | Hehe... Power button? |
| 11:57.30 | ScaredyCat | the neo |
| 11:57.33 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:57.41 | SpeedEvil | press for a short time, and a menu pops up |
| 11:57.47 | Mukunda | It's amusing being able to shut the phone down with shutdown -h now. |
| 11:57.49 | SpeedEvil | saying 'power off, ...' |
| 11:57.52 | Mukunda | Well I don't have hardware. |
| 11:57.52 | ScaredyCat | if not == om2007.2 |
| 11:57.58 | Mukunda | Just the emulator. |
| 11:58.12 | SpeedEvil | press and hold the button, and it turns off 'hard' - sometimes, unless it doesn't. |
| 11:58.18 | ScaredyCat | Mukunda: just use halt |
| 11:58.23 | SpeedEvil | However, it leaves a substantial amount of stuff on. |
| 11:58.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | Mukunda, what images you flashed? |
| 11:58.29 | SpeedEvil | At least, for example the modem. |
| 11:58.36 | Mukunda | Dmitry_Platonov: used mokomakefile today. |
| 11:58.44 | Mukunda | Eh, still need to update that page, woops. |
| 11:58.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | mokomakefile = OM 2007 |
| 11:59.22 | Mukunda | Ah. |
| 11:59.43 | Mukunda | Well must go clean the house. |
| 11:59.55 | ScaredyCat | the web browser needs fixing ... it;s terrible. |
| 12:02.47 | SpeedEvil | It's possible to start Xnest, and have it display on its own display. |
| 12:03.02 | XorA | Xest :X |
| 12:03.03 | ScaredyCat | errm.... |
| 12:03.09 | XorA | Xnest :X |
| 12:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Yes - I know how to set it up - I just had a mis-set DISPLAY for other reasons |
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| 12:07.47 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 12:08.06 | DukeOfURL | i'm finally back after alightning strike on Monday |
| 12:08.20 | DukeOfURL | fried a bunch of stuff |
| 12:08.34 | DukeOfURL | any news? |
| 12:08.36 | ewon | yikes |
| 12:09.19 | DukeOfURL | it came into the house over the mains |
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| 12:12.56 | nbd | ossman: maybe some header files, not sure. but i think it was only hif |
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| 12:40.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2669 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (22 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:40.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Reworked UI for seamless 2007.2 integration |
| 12:40.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Restructured code to better suit 2007.2 UI |
| 12:40.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added automatic session handling |
| 12:40.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added playlist UI foundation |
| 12:40.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:40.41 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 12:40.56 | SpeedEvil | But does it play 640*480 h.264? |
| 12:41.08 | abraxa_ | I wish :) |
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| 12:41.29 | abraxa_ | I'm only doing audio for now, video will come later |
| 12:41.55 | mjr | SpeedEvil, anyway, the vcd quality video played fine when you measured how long it can last? |
| 12:42.04 | SpeedEvil | You mean battery? |
| 12:42.14 | mjr | yeah |
| 12:42.41 | SpeedEvil | Basically - 2 hours - if you turn the volume up all the way to distortion to around 3 hours. |
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| 12:43.24 | mjr | SpeedEvil, I meant that was the playback okay when you were doing that? |
| 12:43.34 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yes. |
| 12:43.40 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
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| 12:43.56 | raster | aah |
| 12:43.58 | SpeedEvil | 30fps VCDs tend to be very slightly too slow |
| 12:44.01 | raster | the "it depends" answer |
| 12:44.02 | SpeedEvil | 25fps ok |
| 12:44.03 | raster | "_ |
| 12:44.12 | SpeedEvil | if it's got 256K audio - too slow |
| 12:44.12 | raster | :) |
| 12:44.26 | SpeedEvil | But, 25fps 128K plays just about consistently. |
| 12:44.48 | SpeedEvil | However, it's slow enough that also running top will cause it to lose sync. |
| 12:44.50 | SpeedEvil | But, in practice. |
| 12:44.59 | SpeedEvil | -framedrop makes it play all reasonable vcds. |
| 12:45.10 | SpeedEvil | with typically 1 or 2 frames dropped a second |
| 12:45.16 | raster | thats acceptibler |
| 12:45.20 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 12:45.28 | SpeedEvil | However. Rotation is expensive. |
| 12:45.28 | raster | better than scaling the video down to 320x240 or something |
| 12:45.35 | raster | yeah |
| 12:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Err - VCD is around 320*240 |
| 12:45.40 | raster | u need hw rotation to do that right |
| 12:45.47 | raster | ooh |
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| 12:45.51 | raster | that res vcd |
| 12:45.56 | raster | :) |
| 12:46.03 | SpeedEvil | 600M/hour |
| 12:46.06 | raster | your upscaling to 640x480 is als a cost |
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| 12:46.13 | SpeedEvil | Upscaling? |
| 12:46.18 | SpeedEvil | Postage stamp! |
| 12:46.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:46.21 | raster | 320->640 |
| 12:46.22 | raster | \oooh |
| 12:46.26 | raster | u're 1:1ing it |
| 12:46.57 | raster | video playback is basicalyl tough - if u dont at leats have yuv->Rgb + scaling in hw |
| 12:47.11 | SpeedEvil | the rescaling is trivial - the LCM supports QVGA mode. |
| 12:47.12 | raster | at least on such limited devices |
| 12:47.15 | SpeedEvil | (the kernel does not yet) |
| 12:47.28 | raster | the problem is u will invariably have to play it in 640x480 |
| 12:47.28 | SpeedEvil | The rotation is decidedly not. |
| 12:47.34 | raster | with other ui elements in place |
| 12:47.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm assuming fullscreen. |
| 12:47.47 | mjr | SpeedEvil, yeah; for me, if I can play prerotated qvga vcd-quality stuff with 128k audio I'll be happy |
| 12:47.48 | SpeedEvil | Or postage-stamp. |
| 12:47.53 | raster | eg statusbars (battery, etc.) |
| 12:48.11 | ScaredyCat | how does it compare to 770? |
| 12:48.20 | SpeedEvil | 770 has video hardware I think. |
| 12:48.25 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
| 12:49.09 | raster | the gta-02 will have hw |
| 12:49.11 | raster | and more |
| 12:50.56 | ScaredyCat | raster: more ? |
| 12:51.11 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Think of the CPU upgrade |
| 12:51.14 | raster | 3d accel chipset |
| 12:51.21 | ScaredyCat | that's hardware |
| 12:51.32 | raster | i know |
| 12:51.37 | SpeedEvil | On another topic. |
| 12:51.52 | SpeedEvil | I have found out how to add stuff to the 'keyboard' menu |
| 12:52.00 | SpeedEvil | is there a way to easily add stuff to the main menu? |
| 12:52.04 | ScaredyCat | found how to fix the graphic? |
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| 12:52.22 | SpeedEvil | ./usr/share/applications/inputmethods/xrandr.desktop |
| 12:52.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:52.28 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: I assume you mean 2007? |
| 12:52.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:53.37 | ScaredyCat | did mickey just say he was camp ? |
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| 12:53.54 | abraxa_ | Have fun, Mickey :) |
| 12:54.00 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 12:54.02 | mickey|CCC07 | thanks |
| 12:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
| 12:54.18 | ScaredyCat | don;t eat the fish |
| 12:54.27 | mickey|CCC07 | heh |
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| 12:56.17 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: What exactly do you want to add in the main menu? |
| 12:56.27 | SpeedEvil | Random scripty stuff. |
| 12:56.41 | SpeedEvil | 'GPRS on' |
| 12:57.05 | ScaredyCat | gsm init / reg ? |
| 12:57.10 | abraxa_ | I'm not sure if 2007 handles it the same way as 2007.2 but it's worth having a look in /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders/ |
| 12:57.15 | SpeedEvil | The That sort of stuff, yes. |
| 12:57.23 | abraxa_ | At least that's where the desktop entries are on 2007.2 |
| 12:58.21 | ScaredyCat | ame for .1 |
| 12:58.23 | ScaredyCat | s |
| 12:58.39 | abraxa_ | Ah, good |
| 12:59.22 | abraxa_ | So just add yours and toss the matching .desktop files in /usr/share/applications |
| 12:59.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2670 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (4 files in 2 dirs): neod: save/load power management values via gconf, enable changing PM profile via power-button-hold menu |
| 12:59.38 | SpeedEvil | Ah - rihgt. |
| 13:00.03 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 13:00.11 | mjr | yeah, I did manage to add an entry with my remote.desktop just fine |
| 13:00.13 | abraxa_ | You helped me often enough yourself ;) |
| 13:01.23 | SpeedEvil | Or just jam a desktop in /usr/share/applications/inputmethods and reboot :) |
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| 13:05.02 | Elrond | Anyone an idea on how to talk to such a beast: "hiddev96: USB HID v1.00 Device [Hoitek Semiconductor USB to Serial] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-1" (from dmesg) ? |
| 13:05.25 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: you've got host mode working? |
| 13:05.38 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Huh? What do you mean? |
| 13:05.41 | Stephmw | isn't there a kernel driver for those usb->serial adapters? |
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| 13:05.46 | SpeedEvil | On the neo. |
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| 13:06.00 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Huh. No. ;-) That's connected to my desktop. ;-) |
| 13:06.22 | Elrond | Stephmw - I had asuumed so. But no ttyUSB0 in /dev ;-| |
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| 13:09.56 | Stephmw | Elrond: might not be built/integrated by default |
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| 13:15.39 | Elrond | Stephmw - Well, it's a debian/stable standard kernel. I had hoped, that all basic stuff is in there. and CDC_ACM for example works nicely. |
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| 13:17.09 | mdt | Elrond, perhaps the vendor/product-if mapping is missing? (didn't get the whole discussion...but) |
| 13:17.20 | squalyl | I hate people who start 100+ pages print jobs when I wait for ONE page |
| 13:17.44 | woglinde | squaly there is an red button on most printers |
| 13:17.51 | woglinde | if no one looks |
| 13:17.54 | squalyl | lol |
| 13:17.55 | woglinde | you know what to do |
| 13:18.21 | squalyl | I just have to wait. If I do that there are people that are able to restart the whole job :D |
| 13:19.50 | Stephmw | squalyl: alternate printers are wonderful :) |
| 13:20.01 | Stephmw | squalyl: 6 on this floor alone |
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| 13:20.48 | squalyl | alternate printers have multiple output trays? |
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| 13:21.46 | squalyl | There should be page schedulers on printers 10 pages for this job, 10 pages for that jobs... |
| 13:23.10 | squalyl | In english: Printers should have page schedulers etc... |
| 13:23.32 | squalyl | I feel lame. I speak frenglish. |
| 13:23.38 | Elrond | mdt - Maybe... but the usb-vendor/product-id seem very generic for some dallas 1-wire thingy. All quite strange. |
| 13:24.49 | mdt | Elrond, did it load usbserial? |
| 13:25.37 | Elrond | mdt - No. It only seemed to load usnhid. |
| 13:26.04 | Elrond | mdt - And no I've ended up with /dev/usb/hiddev0 and no idea how to do anything useful with it. ;) |
| 13:26.07 | mdt | Elrond, don't understand why this device is serial /and/ hid... hm |
| 13:26.14 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know if any GSM providers at all support ppp/gprs compression? Either header or payload. |
| 13:27.21 | Elrond | mdt - The "Hoitek Semiconductor USB to Serial" string is from the usb device descriptor, I think. But it's all quite strange to me. |
| 13:27.59 | mdt | Elrond, what does lsusb say? which ids? |
| 13:28.11 | Elrond | 04fa:2490 |
| 13:28.36 | SpeedEvil | I like googling 04fa 2490 "kernel driver" in these cases |
| 13:28.41 | SpeedEvil | occasionally turns up stuff |
| 13:28.58 | mdt | so do a `modprobe usbserial vendor=0xaf0 product=0x2490` after disconnecting and removing the hid module |
| 13:29.19 | mdt | Elrond, that way usbserial will try to drive that thing |
| 13:29.57 | Elrond | Hmm. |
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| 13:30.54 | mdt | Elrond, what does it say? |
| 13:33.47 | Elrond | mdt - Going to try soon. I need to do some other work just NOW. |
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| 13:35.28 | mdt | Elrond, :/ i was so curious.. ;) |
| 13:35.42 | ScaredyCat | did anyone have a better gsmhandset.state ? |
| 13:36.08 | woglinde | I dont even have a handset |
| 13:36.44 | ScaredyCat | good job, that one will make you deaf :( |
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| 13:42.03 | XorA | ScaredyCat: change the mode of the lm4857 to by handset speaker (not stereo speaker) |
| 13:42.15 | XorA | ScaredyCat: the neo I wrote that file on had broken speakers |
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| 13:46.45 | Elrond | mdt - After reading a lot more, I guess, I need to setup some 1-wire stuff in userspace. I'm just finding some more info. :) |
| 13:49.09 | SpeedEvil | What is this thing? |
| 13:49.26 | SpeedEvil | I thought you said it was a serial device - you mean it's TI's 1-wire bus? |
| 13:50.35 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - It says it was serial... but the more I read around, it seems an usb-1wire connector. On the other side is a DMM. ;-) |
| 13:50.45 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 13:50.49 | SpeedEvil | 1-wire is fun. |
| 13:51.10 | SpeedEvil | Is it a hacked-together thing, or a commercial product? |
| 13:51.47 | ScaredyCat | owfs |
| 13:51.49 | ScaredyCat | ftw |
| 13:52.13 | SpeedEvil | owfs is cool |
| 13:52.33 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - commercial. |
| 13:52.42 | SpeedEvil | with commercial software? |
| 13:52.56 | SpeedEvil | It's probable it's some bit-banged interface then. |
| 13:53.04 | SpeedEvil | you won't be able to read out stuff directly. |
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| 13:53.26 | SpeedEvil | there will be a standard protocol out to the 1-wire chip, then it will bit-bang. Prolly. |
| 13:53.40 | Elrond | It also can be used with rs232. And I have the bitbanging-docs for that. I have the slight hope, that the 1wire thing does the same. |
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| 13:54.44 | SpeedEvil | With the keyboard popped up, there is a 5 pixel horizontal window. |
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| 14:08.50 | SpeedEvil | can 'web' load local files? |
| 14:09.55 | ynezz | how do you mean that? |
| 14:10.06 | SpeedEvil | file://root/home/foo.html |
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| 14:11.23 | ynezz | i don't get it, you want to view this in browser? or include it's content in web page? |
| 14:11.45 | SpeedEvil | I want to view local pages - ebooks, forex - on the web browser |
| 14:12.18 | ynezz | this should be possible, it's quite easy, but don't know that 'web' app :) |
| 14:12.46 | SpeedEvil | click the top-left logo, pick 'web' with an active internet connection. |
| 14:12.53 | SpeedEvil | It goes to google. |
| 14:12.57 | SpeedEvil | As a default |
| 14:13.14 | SpeedEvil | you need to pick 'desktop' in preferences, or the pages look silly |
| 14:13.28 | ynezz | i'm at work, sorry |
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| 14:22.55 | ScaredyCat | it deosn't do cookies either |
| 14:23.07 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't do rather a lot :) |
| 14:23.13 | ScaredyCat | which is really really annoying since google are dumbfuks |
| 14:23.30 | ScaredyCat | assume i want google.nl just because I'm in .nl |
| 14:25.07 | SpeedEvil | ah right - double click to link. That was confusing me. |
| 14:25.26 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't do flash :) |
| 14:26.26 | CM | What is wrong with my computer if I don't get a /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 14:26.43 | CM | When I plug in the Neo in dfu mode that is |
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| 14:29.09 | rxr | I flashed these buils on my just arrived neo: |
| 14:29.09 | squalyl | bye |
| 14:29.10 | rxr | -rw-r--r-- 1 rene rene 32243712 Aug 9 12:25 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 14:29.12 | rxr | -rw-r--r-- 1 rene rene 1590701 Aug 9 12:23 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 14:29.18 | rxr | are those reasonable to start with or particularly bad ? |
| 14:31.23 | jeddy3 | CM: hmm, you have a cdc_acm module loaded? |
| 14:31.52 | CM | jeddy3: Not sure of that, I'm on gentoo. Thanks, I'll look |
| 14:32.40 | jeddy3 | CM: i _think_ that might be the module needed, not sure though |
| 14:32.58 | CM | Sounds likely |
| 14:33.12 | CM | I have a "bad magic number" and re-flashing doesn't help.. |
| 14:33.12 | SpeedEvil | cdc_acm is the srtial console one |
| 14:33.23 | SpeedEvil | cdc_ether is the ethernet |
| 14:33.33 | SpeedEvil | magic number when? |
| 14:33.34 | jeddy3 | and when you boot, that is replaced by cdc_ether |
| 14:33.42 | jeddy3 | excactly :) |
| 14:36.50 | jeddy3 | rxr: sounds reasonable (latest of both right?) they have matching kernel modules, and i'm running them right now |
| 14:36.51 | CM | Ah, found it. Was disabled |
| 14:37.40 | jeddy3 | CM: you have downgraded from 2007.2? |
| 14:38.21 | CM | No, I dropped it when it was open and on and the battery fell out |
| 14:38.40 | jeddy3 | oh |
| 14:38.41 | CM | And after that it wouldn't boot because of having a wrong magic number :( |
| 14:38.49 | jeddy3 | hmm, strange |
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| 14:39.01 | CM | So I tried reflashing with the same images, but that doesn't help |
| 14:39.07 | CM | So I want to do a nand erase |
| 14:39.12 | jeddy3 | right |
| 14:39.18 | CM | But then I didn't have that ttyA.. |
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| 14:44.58 | ScaredyCat | have you bricked it CM ? |
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| 14:48.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: Kind of |
| 14:48.55 | CM | ScaredyCat: It won't boot because of "Wrong magic number" |
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| 14:49.13 | ScaredyCat | not even boot menu ? |
| 14:49.26 | CM | I get the boot menu if I hold in the aux, luckily |
| 14:49.37 | CM | So I guess I can recover it once I can do the nand erase thing |
| 14:49.51 | CM | Just have to comoile support for cdc_acm |
| 14:49.53 | ScaredyCat | ok.. so at that point can you see the tty ? |
| 14:50.03 | ScaredyCat | ahh in your kernel.. |
| 14:50.03 | CM | No, not yet |
| 14:50.06 | CM | Yex |
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| 15:01.24 | jipi | hi folks, anyone knows where i can get the pinouts or schematics of the debug board? |
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| 16:53.47 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: have you scripted your gprs? |
| 16:53.53 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:54.04 | ScaredyCat | is the script available |
| 16:54.05 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 16:54.14 | SpeedEvil | For a small fee :) |
| 16:54.21 | SpeedEvil | I'll tar it up and link to it. |
| 16:54.51 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 16:56.19 | ScaredyCat | are the slurpies shipping ? |
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| 16:57.43 | ScaredyCat | every time I twist the pen to get the pointer tip I get blinded by the laser :/ |
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| 17:00.17 | Kliment_ | mine arrived today in finland |
| 17:00.21 | Kliment_ | sadly I am in germany |
| 17:00.51 | mellon | Road trip!!! |
| 17:01.02 | ScaredyCat | intercept |
| 17:01.04 | Kliment_ | mellon: flying back on wednesday |
| 17:01.13 | Kliment_ | I can wait that long |
| 17:01.15 | mellon | Ah. It wasn't an accident. That's good. |
| 17:01.35 | thomasg | but road trip would be much cooler :) |
| 17:01.38 | Kliment_ | my dad is now playing with it :) |
| 17:01.38 | mellon | Finland seems like a pretty wide miss if they had been trying to get it to you in Germany. |
| 17:02.03 | Kliment_ | what happens if you turn it on unflashed? |
| 17:02.04 | mellon | Yeah, a road trip from Germany to Finland on a boxer. That would be nice... As long as it didn't rain too much... |
| 17:02.10 | mellon | It boots, and then panics. |
| 17:02.14 | Kliment_ | oh it's raining like hell |
| 17:02.16 | mellon | He should remove the battery after he's done. |
| 17:02.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gprs.tar.gz |
| 17:02.24 | SpeedEvil | trivial. |
| 17:02.30 | Kliment_ | mellon: why, is it bad if you just let it run out? |
| 17:02.32 | mellon | Otherwise the power manager chip will run it down fairly quickly. |
| 17:02.38 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.45 | mellon | If it runs down to nothing it's tricky getting it back. |
| 17:02.46 | Kliment_ | mellon: ok |
| 17:02.48 | mellon | (apparently) |
| 17:02.51 | mellon | I haven't had any trouble. |
| 17:03.17 | mellon | But I've been paranoid about not running it down... :') |
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| 17:03.47 | SpeedEvil | you need to edit /etc/gprs-script to change the APN from general.t-mobile.uk to your own APN |
| 17:04.39 | Kero | how do I get a zImage out of a uImage ? |
| 17:04.55 | Kliment_ | ok, just called him to let him know |
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| 17:08.01 | freelock | Anybody have 2007.2 building successfully? |
| 17:08.38 | daMaestro | per om2007.2 ... not me |
| 17:09.17 | Kero | anyone have anything building succesfully :) |
| 17:12.17 | RedDog | freelock: yes ... |
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| 17:12.30 | freelock | Using nslu2 make file? |
| 17:12.43 | RedDog | but "The program 'matchbox-panel-2' received an X Window System error." |
| 17:12.52 | RedDog | freelock: nope |
| 17:12.56 | daMaestro | Kero, using mokomakefile, yes |
| 17:13.51 | dotmef | Kero: yep. complete build and first (console-based) phonecall, today. me=happy. |
| 17:14.05 | Kero | daMaestro: mine breaks with monotone upgrade |
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| 17:15.23 | Kero | now I don't particularly care about that, atm, since I'll be gone for the next three weeks. |
| 17:15.43 | Kero | but I'm wondering whether OE is hidden inside a broken versioning system. |
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| 17:17.59 | SpeedEvil | 320*240 flv (youtube) works fine too. |
| 17:18.25 | SpeedEvil | It would need an optimised rotator. |
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| 17:19.18 | Kero | I'll be happy to run stuff in qemu-arm for now. So I'll repeat my Q. |
| 17:19.20 | Kero | how do I get a zImage out of a uImage ? |
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| 17:20.59 | SpeedEvil | find the conversion process and reverse it? |
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| 17:21.45 | Kero | certainly. That must be hidden in that monotone archive... |
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| 17:23.32 | Kero | alright, wiki has some info on it. |
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| 17:24.05 | RedDog | how can i disable this very nice loading screen on boot? |
| 17:25.24 | pike_ | someone set up their phone as an free shell server and give me an account :) |
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| 17:29.13 | mellon | pike: you might find the GPRS connection a bit slow... |
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| 17:34.31 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:43.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | What's gsmd status? |
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| 17:46.27 | Kero | no use, qemu-system-arm gives me a churning CPU, but a black screen |
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| 17:55.17 | mbuf | from the openmoko-stylus-demo, how can i make the navigation area appear to the full length of the window? |
| 17:56.04 | mbuf | i removed detailswindow, and i still see the navigation window fill up only half the full screen size |
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| 18:09.56 | jipi | does anyone has any idea how to use the debug board with neo1973? |
| 18:11.45 | thomasg | jipi, connect the neo with the flat cable to the board, connect the board with the usb cable to the pc, rtfm (wiki) :) |
| 18:13.27 | jipi | thomasg: which software shd i use? i already connect everything. there is sjf2410, openocd and dfu-util |
| 18:15.14 | thomasg | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board |
| 18:15.44 | Kero | ha! booted my images with the fresh qemu-for-neo. |
| 18:15.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Quick q: Can I get Bluetooth to come up with the USB not connected? |
| 18:16.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The wiki seems to imply the USB must be in to get it started :S |
| 18:16.18 | thomasg | jipi, imho a simple: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 should work |
| 18:16.35 | thomasg | instead of screen you can/may/should(?) use another terminal emulator like cu |
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| 18:19.37 | RedDog | is it right, that /var/lib is an xml gconf file? |
| 18:22.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ok, another quick Q: Any rumors/word about the GPS |
| 18:23.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RedDog: /var/lib sounds like it should be a directory ... but that is just an opinion |
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| 18:24.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | GPS driver, I mean, of course :S |
| 18:24.49 | bmidgley__ | no word on if fic has an agreement to write the driver |
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| 18:25.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bmidgley__: Well, they've already written it |
| 18:25.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It shipped with P0 phones by accident :) |
| 18:25.36 | bmidgley__ | ok to distribute |
| 18:25.54 | bmidgley__ | the real driver will work with gpsd |
| 18:26.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Yeah, I was hoping someone might be privvy to how close that might be. |
| 18:26.36 | bmidgley__ | it might even be a closed-source standalone gpsd |
| 18:27.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | As long as it spits out GPS or NMEA stuff, that is good for now. |
| 18:27.24 | RedDog | seems that my rootfs is terrible damaged ... |
| 18:27.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | There is already a loose collaboration for an open-source driver for the chipset |
| 18:28.41 | anrp | by accident? |
| 18:28.49 | anrp | you mean they never actually intended the gps to be functional? |
| 18:28.51 | anrp | ..... |
| 18:28.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | anrp: no no |
| 18:29.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It's the legal mumbo jumbo that has to be worked out |
| 18:29.27 | anrp | it is still useless, regardless of the reason |
| 18:29.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | FIC has to agree to give the first offspring of all of it's employees to the chip maker, and all will be well. Or something like that. |
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| 18:30.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | anrp: Well, we know what the holdup is. This legal bs isn't nice, but someone has to dot the i's and cross the t's. |
| 18:30.32 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :S |
| 18:30.49 | anrp | well has someone "accidentally" distributed gllin? |
| 18:31.06 | bmidgley__ | gllin is a prototype |
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| 18:31.12 | anrp | yes, but its more than zero |
| 18:31.15 | anrp | much more |
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| 18:32.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | cjb: Where are you, and which alley do we meet you in to get a copy of gllin? :P |
| 18:32.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (Just a printed copy for perusal, of course ;)) |
| 18:33.05 | ScaredyCat | whoaaaaa |
| 18:33.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | What is this, trying to ./configure Perl on a typerwriter or somthing? |
| 18:34.15 | cjb | http://chris.printf.net/definitely_not_gllin.tar |
| 18:34.58 | anrp | that's definately not gllin |
| 18:35.09 | cjb | (I don't have much respect for the gllin situation; if the OpenMoko team wants to punish people for sharing software that's required functionality for the device then, well, screw them.) |
| 18:35.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | MORE pron? Sheesh, I thought this was a CLEAN channel. :P |
| 18:36.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I don't think it's that. They don't want to get in trouble, which I can understand. |
| 18:36.36 | DukeOfURL | quit |
| 18:37.01 | DukeOfURL | sorry, wrong window |
| 18:37.24 | ScaredyCat | anyone got a 770 ? |
| 18:37.28 | HistoryOnTheRoad | DukeOfURL: That's ok, you'll just be demoted to JackOfEarl now. |
| 18:37.37 | anrp | i have an 800! |
| 18:37.41 | anrp | ...which is totally unhelpful |
| 18:37.46 | DukeOfURL | :D |
| 18:38.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I figured out how to play mp3's |
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| 18:38.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | And they sound AWESOME (at least the ones on the rootfs sound wicked) |
| 18:38.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | If only I could figure out the recording |
| 18:38.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :S |
| 18:40.22 | anrp | who needs recording D: |
| 18:40.36 | doc|work | me |
| 18:40.40 | doc|work | note to self: put on pants |
| 18:40.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | lol |
| 18:41.24 | anrp | if you only discovered it now, you probably don't need em D: |
| 18:41.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, GSM isn't working for me, so having a voice recorder would be a nice consolation |
| 18:41.58 | ScaredyCat | bnm, |
| 18:43.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2673 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkrc openmoko-panel-plugins): openmoko theming: make clock visible (again) |
| 18:43.35 | mellon | HistoryOnTheRoad: are you just hosed, or will a different SIM card do it? |
| 18:44.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mellon: I'm not sure. I can register to the network, but not make a call, and I don't get calls. I think it's a bit weird. :S |
| 18:44.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm going to try another GSM provider later |
| 18:44.57 | mellon | Yeah, that is weird. Who's your provider? |
| 18:45.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Rogers (in Canada) |
| 18:45.47 | mellon | Ah. |
| 18:45.51 | mellon | Canada. |
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| 18:45.56 | mellon | That's harsh. |
| 18:46.06 | mellon | (Nice country, of course!) |
| 18:46.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :P |
| 18:46.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm going to try Fido and then a US Sim card, but I can't figure out why it wouldn't work. :S |
| 18:47.09 | mellon | Yeah, that's worrisome. I haven't tried connecting yet. |
| 18:48.36 | mellon | Wow, the European contingent have some very weird signoff messages. |
| 18:48.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ouch, no kidding. :P |
| 18:49.13 | doc|work | rogers for the lose :( |
| 18:50.20 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, hopefully it's just something I need to tweak |
| 18:50.35 | mellon | Hm, this is weird - for some reason gutsy doesn't offer python-psyco |
| 18:50.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I can't imagine Rogers cares how I spend my online minutes on their system |
| 18:50.55 | mellon | Oh, maybe it's because I have an x86_x64 machine. |
| 18:51.12 | mellon | Well, don't they have a really crappy GPRS pricing scheme? |
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| 18:52.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mellon: OF course. Why offer good unlimited rates when you can spooge people for next-to-no bandwidth? :P |
| 18:52.57 | mellon | And, consequently, not sell any bandwidth... |
| 18:53.00 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: what are the fido/rogers rates? :/ |
| 18:53.03 | thomasg | is there any good bitbake howto (not the whole documentation)? |
| 18:53.15 | doc|work | the fido rates for normal calls/sms are crazy |
| 18:53.18 | woglinde | thomasg what you want ot know? |
| 18:53.22 | doc|work | and those were the best of the lot |
| 18:53.43 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: Rogers has 5MB for $5. It goes UP from there. :S |
| 18:53.55 | doc|work | bugger |
| 18:54.03 | doc|work | wifi from blenz it is! |
| 18:54.16 | mellon | Hm, so when I build openmoko-devel-image, does it automatically update first? |
| 18:54.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, you could get away with little GPRS usage if you use it wisely |
| 18:54.31 | mellon | doc|work:heh! |
| 18:54.35 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: irc != wise :) |
| 18:54.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bluetooth/USB for most stuff, GPRS only for "live" updates. |
| 18:54.52 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: let me guess, that expires after 30 days too? |
| 18:55.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: IRC wouldn't be bad, unless you are idling for hours in a channel ;) |
| 18:55.24 | mellon | Man, you'd have to bloody well sip it to get by on $1/megabyte... |
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| 18:56.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm going to get the $5 plan, and see what I can do. There are a few things that are interesting, and I might be able to squeeze it. |
| 18:56.09 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: I do :) doc|work doc|home and once rates are decent there'll be doc|phone :) |
| 18:56.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | No general web browsing with the 200K images though ;) |
| 18:56.27 | doc|work | yeah |
| 18:57.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Blackberries have better rateplans. Maybe we can emulate their protoocol ;) |
| 18:57.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | My feeling is with pressure they will reduce rates. |
| 18:57.49 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The bozo at one wireless shop claimed Fido didn't do "data". |
| 18:57.59 | doc|work | makes sense, otherwise wifi will kill them completely |
| 18:58.16 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Since it's part of the GSM standard, I'm not sure how that is really possible :) |
| 18:58.34 | doc|work | ? |
| 18:58.37 | doc|work | ah, ok |
| 18:58.40 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: Do you know anything about that "portable internet" they have been touting? |
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| 18:59.08 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: nope, never heard of it. I tend not to listen though. If their normal rates are that assbackwards I expect little from them any time soon |
| 18:59.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2674 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: fix bug that prevented stopping PM |
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| 18:59.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Apparently you just need an electric outlet. I dunno if it's over power lines or wireless or what. |
| 18:59.20 | doc|work | paying for receiving calls... wtf? :( |
| 18:59.35 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: oh yeah, I've heard of that. That's been around for years. |
| 19:00.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I don't know what tech they are using though ... They have just started to push it. |
| 19:00.11 | doc|work | http://www.internetworldstats.com/articles/art072.htm |
| 19:00.17 | mellon | doc|work:that's the way it is here in North America. |
| 19:01.09 | doc|work | mellon: yep, I'm Irish but in Canada and anyone from home who hears about this thinks it's utterly stupid |
| 19:01.34 | doc|work | it's far more expensive over here than back home, then you add in paying for receiving calls :/ |
| 19:01.34 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, it's how the system evolved. |
| 19:02.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I can't understand why it's a fortune to call cellphones in Europe ... I think that is silly :) |
| 19:02.31 | mellon | The idea is that you must really want to talk to the person, or you wouldn't call. |
| 19:02.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | They are starting to promote "free incoming local calls" here |
| 19:02.38 | mellon | And if some jerk decides to spam me, they have to pay. |
| 19:02.59 | mellon | So I have a lot of sympathy for the caller paying a fortune to call me. |
| 19:03.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mellon: Yeah, but it's 10 times the rates in some cases. I don't care what the expenses are, carriers aren't incurring 10x the expense to run a cell network :) |
| 19:03.43 | mellon | Hm. Maybe. |
| 19:03.55 | mellon | I think the cost of cell networks is actually fairly substantial. |
| 19:04.00 | SpeedEvil | Neo1973 impact protection system. http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/126629/rb/0 |
| 19:04.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, to set up, yes. But not as much as the conventional phone system cost. |
| 19:04.30 | mellon | I think one of the reasons cell providers are such money-grubbers is that they're trying to find non-marginal revenue sources, because it's hard to make good money on the marginal sources (i.e., calls). |
| 19:04.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | And they are riding on that in a lot of spots, too, don't forget. |
| 19:04.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Not having to run the "last mile" cabling is a huge savings. |
| 19:05.33 | mellon | Sure, but they keep having to buy new technology. |
| 19:06.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, phone companies here are upgrading switches and laying new fiber. I'm not paying 10x to call their customers :) |
| 19:06.27 | HistoryOnTheRoad | A premium I get. |
| 19:06.27 | mellon | Dunno, I have a lot of sympathy for cell providers, except for the fact that I don't want to have to do business with them. |
| 19:06.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mellon: LOL :D |
| 19:07.01 | mellon | They are unbelievably good at making the deal just slightly shy of bad enough that you won't take it. |
| 19:07.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: LOL @ protection system ;) |
| 19:07.31 | mellon | t-mobile US is really the best of a bad lot. Dunno what the equivalent is in Europe... |
| 19:07.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It reminds me of the demos that I saw for that microsoft table thing you could interact with |
| 19:08.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "oh, isn't that cool?" .... but the big "biz" thing they showed were comparing cellphone plans. |
| 19:08.21 | mellon | heh |
| 19:08.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I said..."sheesh, make the fricking plans simpler and you won't need a $10,000 gadget to explain it" |
| 19:08.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :P |
| 19:09.11 | mellon | Next you'll be wanting the airlines to use a ticket pricing scheme that makes sense. |
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| 19:09.57 | doc|work | "you want to bring a bag with you? silly man! that'll be $40 please" |
| 19:10.27 | mellon | Oxygen is $10/flight, payable in advance (you don't want us to cut you off mid-flight, do you?) |
| 19:11.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | LMAo |
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| 19:11.42 | SpeedEvil | mellon: t-mobile is the cheapest source of data I can find in the UK. |
| 19:11.47 | mwester | Of course, if they insist on pre-paid oxygen, in the event of a crash I want a partial refund! |
| 19:12.15 | SpeedEvil | Ah - but you got it from takeoff to landing. That's all you're due. |
| 19:12.28 | mbuf | where is the sourcecode for openmoko-terminal in the build environment (built by MokoMakefile) |
| 19:12.49 | doc|work | mwester: but of course what they never tell you is that it's recycled oxygen.... |
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| 19:12.51 | SpeedEvil | isn't it gtkterm2? |
| 19:14.07 | doc|work | so, when the wifi chip comes in, how are they going to determine if you should connect over wifi rather than over your sim card? |
| 19:14.44 | SpeedEvil | to be coded. |
| 19:14.51 | SpeedEvil | There is stuff on the wiki |
| 19:15.01 | doc|work | it'll happen automagically? |
| 19:15.08 | SpeedEvil | presumably autologin into authorised APs. |
| 19:15.18 | SpeedEvil | And then use it if signal strength >foo |
| 19:15.20 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, correct, thanks |
| 19:17.00 | doc|work | "Shut up a ringing phone, without accepting or rejecting the call. |
| 19:17.02 | doc|work | Another alternative might be to use microphone to recognize when the user gives an audible "Shhh!" command. This could prove difficult to determine with the simultaneous ringing, and possible in-pocket shuffling noises. " |
| 19:17.09 | doc|work | I *really* like that idea |
| 19:17.14 | doc|work | that'd amaze friends :) |
| 19:18.15 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 19:18.28 | SpeedEvil | keys, forex |
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| 19:21.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Anyone with an idea if Bluetooth should work without being USB connected? |
| 19:22.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:22.08 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 19:22.16 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth is on the USB bus. |
| 19:22.21 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean? |
| 19:22.42 | bmidgley__ | HistoryOnTheRoad: bluetooth module has a suspend mode for disconnecting from usb |
| 19:22.57 | bmidgley__ | but it's not properly wired to take advantage in this hardware |
| 19:23.05 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yeah. |
| 19:23.10 | bmidgley__ | meaning disconnect from usb but keep processing |
| 19:23.15 | SpeedEvil | It can do stuff while the system is asleep. |
| 19:23.22 | SpeedEvil | But the system can't be told of this. |
| 19:23.26 | SpeedEvil | So there is no point. |
| 19:23.49 | SpeedEvil | Maybe GTA03 |
| 19:24.18 | mellon | could the kernel wake up and poll it from time to time? |
| 19:24.28 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 19:24.43 | SpeedEvil | It would need to poll every second or so as I understand it. |
| 19:26.15 | mellon | A second is a long time... |
| 19:26.42 | Kliment_ | a second is pretty short for a bt inquiry interval |
| 19:26.51 | thomasg | was somebody able to build a 2007.2 image with a really working gui? I every time only see icons of the top-bar on a black background :( |
| 19:27.09 | Kliment_ | 10sec seems pretty good for detecting devices |
| 19:27.19 | Kliment_ | the shortest BT inquiry I've seen is around 7 secs |
| 19:27.26 | daxxar | thomasg: For my part, it just takes a bit of time before it loads the Today-screen |
| 19:27.34 | daxxar | thomasg: It shows the black bg + icons for a bit, then loads the GUI |
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| 19:27.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So, you need to be plugged into a USB connection to use BT then? |
| 19:28.05 | thomasg | daxxar, not here, I'm waiting for 10 minutes now :) |
| 19:28.13 | daxxar | Oh, meep |
| 19:28.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm not as worried about power savings and such, at this moment :P |
| 19:28.22 | mjr | HistoryOnTheRoad, hell no |
| 19:28.34 | daxxar | I used dmitry's builds, http://daxxar.slask.no/om/ |
| 19:28.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mjr: lol, ok good :) |
| 19:28.37 | bmidgley__ | HistoryOnTheRoad we thought you meant the internal usb host bus |
| 19:28.47 | SpeedEvil | The BT thing is internally connected to the internal USB bus. |
| 19:28.48 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Sorry, no |
| 19:28.50 | bmidgley__ | the external slave bus isn't required for anything |
| 19:29.02 | SpeedEvil | External host/slave bus |
| 19:29.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I printed out the wiki instructions and tried them on the subway earlier |
| 19:29.12 | Kliment_ | mjr: which image are you using now? |
| 19:29.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | but it wouldn't work, and they seemed USB connected-centric. |
| 19:29.34 | Kliment_ | mjr: mine arrived today and I can't wait to get back to finland to play around with it |
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| 19:30.22 | bmidgley__ | which instructions |
| 19:30.53 | mjr | haven't really updated yet, just installed python to play with; still these: |
| 19:30.54 | mjr | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 19:30.54 | mjr | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728081358.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:30.59 | thomasg | daxxar, I built the same time as dmitry did the first time - and we had the same problems :) |
| 19:31.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support |
| 19:31.53 | daxxar | thomasg: huum. Strange. :-) |
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| 19:32.13 | Kliment_ | mjr: I think we'll be having a mokoparty in porvoo next weekend :) |
| 19:32.19 | thomasg | daxxar, I'll try to solve it the windows-wa |
| 19:32.20 | thomasg | *way |
| 19:32.33 | daxxar | Reboot? Reinstall? ;P |
| 19:32.34 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: Whare abouts in Canada are you? |
| 19:32.36 | thomasg | (no, not the reinstallation method ^^) |
| 19:32.36 | Kliment_ | I'll bring german beer |
| 19:32.46 | thomasg | the 2nd windows-way :) |
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| 19:32.51 | mjr | Kliment_, there was one Neo besides mine at the Free Thursday today :] |
| 19:32.58 | Kliment_ | cool, who had it? |
| 19:33.19 | mjr | it was somebody from the channel, don't recall now |
| 19:33.22 | Kliment_ | ok |
| 19:33.43 | Kliment_ | did you have any trouble with flashing and such? |
| 19:33.59 | Kliment_ | and which operator do you use and does it work with it |
| 19:34.40 | mjr | no trouble, and I've made a test call both on my usual Saunalahti SIM and my prepaid DNA SIM I bought for testing purposes |
| 19:34.58 | Kliment_ | how's the sound quality on those? |
| 19:35.10 | Kliment_ | I have a sonera and an elisa sim |
| 19:35.15 | bmidgley__ | HistoryOnTheRoad: did you power up bt successfully? hciconfig print something? |
| 19:35.19 | Kliment_ | so we can try those next weekend |
| 19:35.38 | mjr | once using the headset and thus getting rid of the feedback bug in the alsa state files in my firmware, the sound was as one would expect |
| 19:36.07 | Kliment_ | and with the phone? |
| 19:36.30 | mjr | I don't have a working handset alsa state |
| 19:36.46 | Kliment_ | btw, I suggest adding mpd support to your remote control tool |
| 19:36.48 | mjr | playing oggs from the speakers was surprisingly good for the speaker size |
| 19:37.18 | mjr | just add commands to the config file |
| 19:37.22 | Writchie | does anybody have a working handset.state |
| 19:37.28 | mjr | I'm sure mpd is cli-controllable |
| 19:37.44 | Kliment_ | mjr: it is, but would be nice to get the state info as well |
| 19:37.58 | Kliment_ | mjr: currently playing info and timecodes |
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| 19:38.14 | mjr | I've considered that and will not do feedback for 1.0 |
| 19:38.28 | Kliment_ | mjr: ok |
| 19:40.06 | mbuf | what is the 2007.2 OM release? and how different is it from the current build environment? |
| 19:40.50 | emre_ | mjr: which application did you use to play ogg files? |
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| 19:43.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bmidgley__: I'm not sure ... i did follow the instructions, but one of the commands said "protocol not supported", which I thought was odd |
| 19:43.40 | mjr | emre_, ogg123 |
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| 19:53.34 | raynet | x11perf runs rather fast on neo |
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| 19:55.29 | jeddy3 | does anyone know how to parse the nmea strings? |
| 19:55.48 | Writchie | SpeedEvil has a built in parser |
| 19:56.15 | Stephmw | yeah, paste one here, he'll grok it |
| 19:56.22 | jeddy3 | :D |
| 19:56.41 | Writchie | jeddy3: start with wikipedia |
| 19:56.48 | jeddy3 | if i look in specifications the strings don't seem to match |
| 19:57.04 | jeddy3 | yeah i found specifications |
| 19:57.21 | raynet | jeddy3: freshmeat has couple nice small nmea libs |
| 19:57.56 | jeddy3 | for instance, $GPGGA is the one i should look at for positioning data, right? first token in that is supposed to be time, but doensn't seem to be |
| 19:58.36 | raynet | jeddy3: what do you have in the supposed time field? |
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| 19:58.54 | jeddy3 | raynet, 235946.99...doensn't ever change |
| 19:59.32 | RedDog | is #419 in uboot or in dfu-util fixed? |
| 19:59.57 | raynet | jeddy3: lemme check my quick'n'dirty nmea parser |
| 20:00.09 | jeddy3 | raynet, ok, thanks |
| 20:00.35 | Phlash | hi all - silly question time: any idea when the mailing lists will be back? |
| 20:00.35 | aloril | Phlash: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 20:00.48 | jeddy3 | :D |
| 20:01.05 | jeddy3 | good answer aloril xD |
| 20:02.07 | Phlash | nice answer, I guess that's a dunno :) |
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| 20:02.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | aloril: What is 42 the answer to? :P |
| 20:02.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Are the ML's hosed? |
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| 20:06.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hmm, looks like it |
| 20:06.46 | jeddy3 | no wait a minute...my bad :|...gllin crashes...and the test script just writes the same data it got before crash, over and over again |
| 20:07.06 | raynet | jeddy3: hehe |
| 20:08.46 | jeddy3 | anyone knows what to gather from: "gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681", then :) |
| 20:09.13 | thomasg | ok, I found out why I don't get the 2007.2 gui - openmoko-today segfaults because of a dbus problem |
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| 20:09.45 | RedDog | thomasg: are you shure you have a dbus problem? |
| 20:09.51 | ckuethe | jeddy3: the following is a guess, based on snippets i occasionally read here |
| 20:10.02 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, shoot :) |
| 20:10.02 | thomasg | RedDog, not me, the neo :) |
| 20:10.15 | ckuethe | gllin was compiled using OABI - the old way of doing things |
| 20:10.30 | ckuethe | you updated your neo to a new openmoko release which uses EABI |
| 20:10.31 | thomasg | but no, I aren't, can't be a openmoko-today-problem, too - but it has to do with dbus (somehow) |
| 20:10.33 | RedDog | i flashed rootfs with a 64mb /dev/zero image and after i reflashed om, that gui worked ... |
| 20:10.39 | ckuethe | OABI and EABI are not compatible |
| 20:10.42 | thomasg | s/arent/am not... |
| 20:10.45 | ckuethe | some apps may start |
| 20:10.54 | ckuethe | some apps may run and produce garbage |
| 20:10.59 | ckuethe | some apps may work fine |
| 20:11.30 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, that could explain it |
| 20:11.31 | RedDog | seems that i haven't a fixed version of uboot or dfu (Bug #419) ... |
| 20:11.43 | thomasg | WARNING **: Failed to make a connection to the session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
| 20:11.53 | ckuethe | ABI = Application Binary Interface. It describes things like ordering of arguments on the stack, use of registers, floating point conventions .... |
| 20:12.20 | ckuethe | so you updated your neo then? |
| 20:12.42 | thomasg | me? |
| 20:13.12 | ckuethe | again, based on a cursory read of this channel, gllin is only expected to work on the very first software load |
| 20:13.38 | ckuethe | it will be re-compiled and properly released at a later date, after rights to do so are granted |
| 20:13.52 | ckuethe | or that's how i understand it |
| 20:13.59 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, and then what, reboot, or power down gps? |
| 20:14.40 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, could explain things...i got hold of a inofficial gllin compilation |
| 20:14.59 | ckuethe | if indeed it is an ABI problem, you'd have just as much luck trying to run a winxp binary on dos 6 |
| 20:15.00 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, could be from phase0 |
| 20:15.07 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, :D |
| 20:15.38 | jeddy3 | it starts...spits out some string, wich looks like garbage compared to how the should look like, and then crashes |
| 20:15.39 | ckuethe | basically gps doesn't really work right now, but there are hopes and plans afoot to fix that Real Soon Now |
| 20:15.51 | jeddy3 | s/the/they |
| 20:16.05 | ckuethe | yep, those are consistent with OABI/EABI mismatches i've seen |
| 20:16.29 | jeddy3 | ckuethe, alright then, thanks for pointers |
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| 20:20.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | jeddy3: How do you know that isn't working as designed? :P |
| 20:21.39 | jeddy3 | HistoryOnTheRoad, :) |
| 20:22.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Drivers should "just work", regardless of most other software. but a kernel mismatch could be a sticking point, of course |
| 20:23.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | A (ahem) well designed driver should refuse to load into a kernel it doesn't like. Sadly, many drivers just don't care. :S |
| 20:24.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ABI problems _should_ only arise from mismatching libraries, not drivers. |
| 20:25.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2675 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/ (15 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:25.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-09 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 20:25.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Initial import from matchbox desktop-folders. |
| 20:25.50 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The kernel is supposed to be an abstraction layer into drivers. (this allows for driver updates/fixes without breaking all userland stuff that depends on the device) |
| 20:26.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I know very little about the GPS drivers, so this could not be the case at all. But I would be surprised. |
| 20:26.36 | ckuethe | gllin is an executable performing a function that would normally be expected of a driver |
| 20:26.56 | ckuethe | plus, gllin must do floating point |
| 20:27.16 | ckuethe | and floating point can be very sensitive to floating point problems |
| 20:27.21 | ckuethe | i see this all the time with gpsd |
| 20:27.55 | Writchie | most of the EABI changes deal with floats |
| 20:27.59 | ckuethe | people incorrectly cross-compile gpsd and then it blows up... |
| 20:28.37 | ckuethe | EABI (as i understand it) at least tries to make floats look/act more like they do on more common machines |
| 20:28.49 | ckuethe | for better or worse, it's at least more consistent |
| 20:28.50 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, one would hope it would be floating point that would be sensitive to FP issues :) |
| 20:29.08 | ckuethe | many ARM cpus don't have an FPU |
| 20:29.30 | Writchie | including the one on the neo |
| 20:29.31 | ckuethe | and even if you did, there's the order in which you pass your args in to have then handled by the FP subsystem |
| 20:29.47 | ckuethe | ABIs describe that order, and the format of your responses |
| 20:29.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, if the callpoints into kernel code for floating point changed, that would explain the issue. |
| 20:30.02 | woglinde | ckuethe eabi let you use both hardfloat and softfloat binaries at the same time |
| 20:30.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (It would also mean an older flash/kernel might work with gllin, fwiw) |
| 20:31.20 | ckuethe | welcome to running incomplete software. |
| 20:31.24 | ckuethe | and hardware |
| 20:31.26 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2676 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/pixmaps/ (. xsplash.png): artwork: add xsplash |
| 20:31.35 | ckuethe | but we love it... it's fun to be adventurous |
| 20:32.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | From what I recall, "ABI" was some idea to be able to run one compiled codeversion on a different OS ... compile for SCO, run on Linux kind of thing. I might just be remembering wrong, though. |
| 20:32.52 | cjb | .. |
| 20:32.57 | cjb | ABI is a general computing term |
| 20:33.13 | cjb | to describe the layout of executable binaries |
| 20:33.22 | Writchie | ABI is the calling interface at the binary level - it potentially lets you mix compilers from different places |
| 20:33.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | But I understand the issues with mismatched libraries and/or kernel versions/conventions/parameter stacks |
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| 20:33.43 | ckuethe | HistoryOnTheRoad: maybe you mean IBCS - Intel Binary Compatibility Standard |
| 20:34.27 | ckuethe | not just layout of executables, but calling conventions too... ie. all args on the stack, or some in registers, ... that kind of thing |
| 20:34.44 | Writchie | also stack alignment |
| 20:35.01 | Writchie | and sometimes framing for exception handling |
| 20:35.02 | ckuethe | any of which you get wrong, and ..... *core* |
| 20:35.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: Possibly. I didn't realize the binary was both userland and kernel in scope, though. |
| 20:35.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SEGV writing core |
| 20:35.35 | Writchie | its possible to provide a kernel with compatibility for both EABI and OABI |
| 20:35.49 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Especially the 300 MB firefox ones (grrrrr) |
| 20:37.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The hard and soft float options seem useful... run it native hard to test, switch to soft for device ready version |
| 20:38.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | i'd be happy to get a simple mic -> disk recording, forget GPS, going about now :) |
| 20:39.14 | woglinde | writchie no |
| 20:39.55 | woglinde | wrichtie at it made no sense because as I said wit eabi you can run hard and softfloat binaries |
| 20:40.06 | woglinde | with oabi hard or soft float |
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| 20:43.19 | Kero | haha, might do some neo hacking in my holiday after all, just learned that a person I'll visit has two openmokos at the lab |
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| 20:58.36 | heikkit | has anyone tried minimo on neo yet? dougt built it but hasn't tested yet: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/ |
| 20:58.38 | thomasg | if I change some bitbake files in the openembedded-tree - is there an option in monotone to cleanup the tree? |
| 21:01.17 | ScaredyCat | feck me that's bigger than the OS! |
| 21:01.54 | doc|work | and mozilla's a bit of a beast |
| 21:02.16 | doc|work | khtml has a faster renderer and is good too |
| 21:03.14 | robtaylor | webkit/gdk! |
| 21:03.34 | doc|work | ) |
| 21:03.35 | robtaylor | isn't that the plan for the neo anyhow? |
| 21:03.36 | doc|work | :) |
| 21:03.46 | ScaredyCat | lynx |
| 21:03.54 | doc|work | but.. safari :( |
| 21:04.10 | robtaylor | doc|work: you just recommeneded khtml |
| 21:04.14 | doc|work | webkit = safari / khtml |
| 21:04.19 | robtaylor | yep |
| 21:04.24 | doc|work | robtaylor: there's a slight difference, isn't there? |
| 21:04.31 | doc|work | last I heard they weren't the same |
| 21:04.37 | robtaylor | doc|work: well, rendering backend |
| 21:04.46 | robtaylor | doc|work: the code core is in the same repo nowadays |
| 21:05.05 | doc|work | is it? oh, ok, last I'd heard was they'd forked enough to be too different for that |
| 21:05.12 | robtaylor | doc|work: there were some f**kups earlier on on apples part, but it's all cool now |
| 21:05.22 | heikkit | minimo's big, uses lots of mem, and is slow to start (at least on my windows mobile device), but using it has been a pleasure compared to mobile ie |
| 21:05.25 | robtaylor | doc|work: apple hired some really good guys to sort it |
| 21:06.00 | doc|work | good |
| 21:06.11 | robtaylor | heikkit: ramming your head repeatedly into a brick wall is a pleasure compared to mobile ie |
| 21:06.18 | heikkit | heh |
| 21:06.21 | happycube | lol |
| 21:06.36 | happycube | it's a pity gecko/mozilla didn't stay small |
| 21:06.51 | robtaylor | well, like i say, webkit is lookingreally good |
| 21:06.55 | happycube | indeed! |
| 21:07.09 | robtaylor | what with that work holgar and alp have been putting in |
| 21:07.10 | heikkit | it kinda started big when all the features were implemented, but it is getting smaller afaik |
| 21:07.33 | robtaylor | the problem is Mozilla Corp only really cares about windows |
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| 21:07.41 | robtaylor | which is a bit short sighted if you ask me |
| 21:07.51 | robtaylor | but hey, thats corps for you |
| 21:08.18 | heikkit | most users on that platform |
| 21:08.31 | Phlash | thus far... |
| 21:08.40 | robtaylor | Phlash: well said! |
| 21:08.45 | Phlash | :D |
| 21:09.52 | heikkit | well, with ubuntu gaining traction, and linux mobile devices coming out, I'd expect a bit more resources from mozilla on linux as well |
| 21:10.35 | heikkit | and I am happy that Doug resurrected Minimo on linux - would not have happened without Openmoko I'd think |
| 21:18.14 | raynet | the x11perf has been running now for 1,5hours and neo is getting kinda hot to touch |
| 21:18.30 | Phlash | I hope that's plugged into 500mA USB :) |
| 21:18.42 | Fatal | raynet: portable popcornmachine! |
| 21:19.07 | raynet | Placid: it is connected to USB hub which has 2A input power so it should be enough |
| 21:19.15 | raynet | Fatal: w00t, coffee cup warmer |
| 21:19.21 | Fatal | :D |
| 21:19.40 | raynet | neo is reaching moderate macbook temperatures |
| 21:20.38 | Phlash | BTW who's given their Neo a name yet? |
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| 21:22.06 | raynet | Phlash: me |
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| 21:23.30 | Phlash | raynet: I think mine will end up being called after a camel in a Discworld book: YouBastard |
| 21:28.46 | Hadaka | how do I regenerate the Packages files in openembedded? is there a nice target for it? |
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| 21:30.03 | raynet | Phlash: heh, i'll name all my computers / devices after japanese demons/monsters. good demons for linux/unix/macs and evil ones for microsoft ones |
| 21:31.00 | Hadaka | whee, found it |
| 21:31.04 | Hadaka | bitbake package-index |
| 21:31.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:32.47 | Phlash | xkr47: make sure the kernel and rootfs versions match or you'll get no modules loading |
| 21:32.53 | Stephmw | raynet: that's almost like the Sharp engineer naming the various Zaurii after dog breeds |
| 21:33.05 | xkr47 | hmm, how do I do that ?-) |
| 21:33.26 | Phlash | xkr47: it's part of the file name - the moko<nn> bit |
| 21:33.59 | xkr47 | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin and openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:34.07 | xkr47 | I don't see the connection.. :) |
| 21:34.16 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: is there any hope of getting WAAS out of gps chip or is this impossible? |
| 21:34.39 | raynet | Stephmw: naming is the most important thing you can do for you computer and next thing is choosing the walllpaper image :) |
| 21:34.46 | xkr47 | Phlash, care to clarify ? |
| 21:34.53 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: classic WAAS - no. |
| 21:34.53 | Phlash | xkr47: right after kernel version (2.6.21.6) it says 'moko10', the rootfs image needs to be the same |
| 21:35.01 | SpeedEvil | The hardware can't recieve it. |
| 21:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: However. Downloadable WAAS, sure. |
| 21:35.18 | Stephmw | raynet: steph@serene:~$ |
| 21:35.22 | Stephmw | raynet: says it all :) |
| 21:35.29 | Writchie | I thought the WAAS was just a different PRN code |
| 21:35.38 | xkr47 | Phlash, I understand.. but how do I check the rootfs image for that ? by mounting or from the numbers ? |
| 21:35.50 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, no, it's broadcast on a different freq. |
| 21:35.53 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: Your Neo is female? |
| 21:35.59 | xkr47 | :D |
| 21:36.08 | Stephmw | abraxa_: I don't have a Neo :) |
| 21:36.14 | abraxa_ | oh |
| 21:36.20 | doc|work | so, anyone got any more idea what the hxd8 will be? |
| 21:36.20 | Stephmw | abraxa_: this is my desktop |
| 21:36.26 | abraxa_ | oki =3 |
| 21:36.36 | Stephmw | abraxa_: and this is serene, as in peaceful :) |
| 21:36.40 | Writchie | hmmm - I thought the whole idea was to use the same frequency and same receiver. |
| 21:36.44 | xkr47 | Phlash, the numbers meaning the numbers in the filename.. :) |
| 21:36.45 | Stephmw | abraxa_: not Serena :) |
| 21:37.29 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: That's when I dust off the excuse of not being native ;D |
| 21:37.53 | Phlash | xkr47: I used the build date to guess which rootfs matched, then checked once booted by looking at /lib/modules/<version> |
| 21:38.10 | Stephmw | abraxa_: haha, not good enough, I'm not native either :D |
| 21:38.19 | abraxa_ | Bummer. |
| 21:38.24 | xkr47 | Phlash, ack |
| 21:38.28 | Stephmw | abraxa_: been in the UK 20 years though, so I'm 2/3rd native |
| 21:38.33 | raynet | w00t, playing nethack on neo |
| 21:38.35 | xkr47 | dang, don't have jffs2 support in my desktop kernel |
| 21:38.46 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2677 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: theming: use moko-orange for selected items |
| 21:39.12 | raynet | it has been a while that i've had the chance to hit nethack monsters with stylus, much more rewarding than using keyboard |
| 21:39.24 | Phlash | xkr47: yup ack. On chooseopen it's the oldest rootfs that I've used, others might still have moko10 though |
| 21:39.40 | doc|work | Stephmw: I bet you still have an accent :) |
| 21:39.52 | Stephmw | doc|work: you'd be wrong :) |
| 21:39.55 | xkr47 | I'll see :) |
| 21:40.38 | Stephmw | doc|work: I only start making mistakes after 2 sleepless nights |
| 21:41.06 | Stephmw | doc|work: in a way it annoys my wife... I can't even fake a good french accent |
| 21:41.16 | Phlash | xkr47: at least if you're only flashing rootfs / kernel you shouldn't 'brick' it |
| 21:41.34 | xkr47 | yeah, ain't touching uboot or uboot env |
| 21:41.44 | doc|work | Stephmw: heh, yeah, right. You frenchies never lose the accent :) |
| 21:41.52 | xkr47 | "shouldn't" or shouldn't ?-) |
| 21:41.58 | Stephmw | doc|work: so, when are you going through London again? |
| 21:42.12 | Stephmw | doc|work: you could ask Tanya or Eugene as well :) |
| 21:42.20 | doc|work | Stephmw: I'm in vancouver now, I'm guessing the 18th of december during my stopover on my way home :) |
| 21:42.40 | xkr47 | gaah.. you specify target by number... I need to write wrappers that do the correct things :O |
| 21:42.41 | doc|work | and after a 10 hour flight I'll be in no humour to talk to anyone :) |
| 21:42.43 | Phlash | xkr47: mine was ok after two rootfs flash runs: remember to wipe the flash from uboot each time |
| 21:43.17 | xkr47 | wipe = nand erase ? |
| 21:43.25 | Phlash | yup |
| 21:44.35 | Stephmw | doc|work: bah, then you'll have to depend on testimonies... or you could dig up that podcast I did with Geert all that time ago |
| 21:44.42 | doc|work | :) |
| 21:48.38 | xkr47 | is the "Copy kernel into RAM" for testing out new kernels ? |
| 21:49.27 | Phlash | xkr47: if that's the bit on the Wiki about copying into RAM using uBoot, then yes |
| 21:49.42 | xkr47 | using dfu-util.. |
| 21:50.02 | Phlash | dunno sorry. |
| 21:50.06 | mellon | do I need to install a kernel module in order to use dfu-util? |
| 21:50.14 | xkr47 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 21:50.34 | xkr47 | mellon, afaik you use dfu-util only with uboot, but I might be wrong :) |
| 21:52.22 | mellon | Hm, had it plugged into the wrong machine. |
| 21:52.33 | Phlash | mellon: no kernel or modules needed on the target device, ah your sorted :) |
| 21:52.35 | Stephmw | mellon: Kinky. |
| 21:52.39 | mellon | heh |
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| 21:53.33 | Phlash | xkr47: I've not tried that 'Copying kernel into RAM' option, I guess you could use that, then use uBoot shell to start it before flashing it properly. |
| 21:53.46 | xkr47 | mm |
| 21:54.15 | xkr47 | hmm should one always use -R after flashing kernel / rootfs / splash ? |
| 21:54.40 | xkr47 | or if flashing multiple ones, is it needed only after the last one ? |
| 21:55.27 | Phlash | xkr47: I used it for each partition, seems harmless and flushes everything |
| 21:55.50 | xkr47 | do I need to erase the rootfs when flashing the first time? or only the kernel ? |
| 21:56.26 | mellon | hm, the wiki says I should see a long list of stuff in DFU mode, but I only see the line for u-boot. |
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| 21:56.41 | Phlash | xkr47: I erased first time, it's quick and I assume safer |
| 21:56.48 | xkr47 | ok |
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| 21:59.38 | mellon | Wow, it supports S-records. I haven't seen that in a *long* time... |
| 21:59.53 | Phlash | lol |
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| 22:00.33 | ckuethe | lots of things do s-records |
| 22:00.52 | mellon | Yeah, but I haven't done any serious embedded systems work in like 15 years or so. |
| 22:00.53 | ckuethe | fairly good way for pushing new firmware into gps receivers |
| 22:01.04 | xkr47 | heh the neo timed out on me and shut down when I didn't do anything in the u-boot menu |
| 22:01.16 | mickey|ccc07 | yep |
| 22:01.19 | Phlash | xkr47: ah yes: slightly old uboot bug |
| 22:01.28 | Phlash | keep pressing Aux button |
| 22:01.43 | mickey|ccc07 | it shouldn't shutdown while DFU is in progress, unless it's a really old uboot |
| 22:01.43 | xkr47 | hmm now it disappeared after 3 seconds |
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| 22:01.58 | xkr47 | (after booting into uboot menu) |
| 22:02.22 | xkr47 | now it ain't booting anymore |
| 22:02.46 | xkr47 | :O |
| 22:03.42 | xkr47 | I've had it connected to usb with the old kernel for an hour now at 500mA, so one would think it has charged a bit |
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| 22:04.05 | xkr47 | hmm it does boot the normal boot now, let's see.. |
| 22:04.15 | Phlash | xkr47: phew |
| 22:05.00 | xkr47 | uboot workin again |
| 22:05.07 | alech | as my Neo is finally only a few 100kms away from me instead of a few 1000, I would be happy about ARM binaries in my inbox (openmoko@alech.de) - for strictly navigational purposes, of course ;-) |
| 22:06.16 | xkr47 | wee now it's flashiing |
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| 22:08.46 | xkr47 | Phlash, hmm, the Flashing_openmoko wiki page says that erasing nand is necessary only when uploading a smaller image than the previous one.. |
| 22:09.09 | Phlash | xkr47: true, but I wasn't sure what was there already |
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| 22:09.46 | xkr47 | dunno, at least it's in the wiki ;) |
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| 22:23.07 | Phlash | cool |
| 22:26.27 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 22:26.39 | mellon | So is the UI in the .2 build just a mock-up at this point? |
| 22:26.46 | xkr47 | the mouse pointer seems a bit jumpy when I keep the stylus unmoved |
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| 22:32.49 | mellon | Ooh, I have a shell on my Neo! |
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| 22:37.14 | mellon | hm, weird, no gcc... |
| 22:40.21 | no_mind | . |
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| 22:51.41 | xkr47 | lots of zombie processes |
| 22:52.51 | xkr47 | haa I killed the jammed main menu by gtkterm :) |
| 22:53.11 | xkr47 | there should be a kill application |
| 22:53.16 | xkr47 | that would be a killer application ;-) |
| 22:54.28 | mmazur | Yeah. Considering the weight -- for a *killer* phone. |
| 22:54.56 | xkr47 | whee you can rotate the display with "xrandr -o 1" |
| 22:55.18 | xkr47 | and the gui manages it just fine |
| 22:55.19 | xkr47 | \o/ |
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| 22:55.27 | mmazur | whoa |
| 22:56.59 | xkr47 | the default onscreen keyboard freaks out with the rotated display |
| 22:57.18 | xkr47 | but the haxx0r keyboard layout actually gives some more buttons - home end pgup pgdn |
| 22:58.13 | mmazur | (analogous to vim; you pwn if you know how to use it; it only beeps at you if you don't) |
| 22:59.13 | xkr47 | this gtkterm doesn't handle special characters or escape strings too well |
| 22:59.57 | xkr47 | hehe current time is 2000-02-01 07:53:38 |
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| 23:09.02 | linux_galore | sings "Im a little moko nut as bright as bright can be....I spend all day hacking my phone because it is unlocked and free" |
| 23:09.17 | linux_galore | hai moko nuts |
| 23:11.40 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:12.51 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: the stroke recogniser documentation and config is in strokes.html |
| 23:13.17 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly, only the clinically insane can reconstruct keystrokes required from this file. |
| 23:13.20 | codyl | where do I found out how to get the bluetooth radio up ? |
| 23:13.32 | SpeedEvil | search bluetooth on the wiki |
| 23:13.34 | codyl | hci_usb, bluetooth, ohci_hcd are loaded |
| 23:13.45 | codyl | still nothing.. |
| 23:13.50 | codyl | oh right I should turn it on! |
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| 23:15.14 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, ok.. where do I find that file ? |
| 23:15.47 | SpeedEvil | find / -name strokes.html |
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| 23:16.22 | SpeedEvil | http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/worth/worth_html/index.html |
| 23:16.26 | SpeedEvil | is worth a look too. |
| 23:16.33 | SpeedEvil | It explains the format - somewhat. |
| 23:17.19 | SpeedEvil | I have not found anywhere a glyphs that it's expecting list. |
| 23:18.22 | SpeedEvil | For example, the string '([12]*[45][78]|[12][45]+[78]?)?[78]*[4]*(1?[2][369]+|1[25][369]*)([369]+[25]+8?[147]?[258]*[369]+|[25]*8?[147]+[258]+[369]*)([369]*[58][74]+|[369]+[58][74]*)") |
| 23:18.23 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:18.27 | SpeedEvil | clearly encodes a 'b' |
| 23:18.31 | SpeedEvil | B rather. |
| 23:18.40 | xkr47 | it's regexp alright |
| 23:18.58 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 23:19.00 | xkr47 | is it normal that the cursor jumps around when I keep the stylus still |
| 23:19.07 | SpeedEvil | 2/3 the way down the page is the description. |
| 23:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Yes :( |
| 23:19.18 | SpeedEvil | list of glyphs rather |
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| 23:23.05 | xkr47 | strokes.html not found :P |
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| 23:23.30 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Strokes.xml? |
| 23:23.41 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 23:24.07 | xkr47 | how to copy-paste.. :) |
| 23:26.56 | SpeedEvil | copy-paste? |
| 23:27.04 | xkr47 | the path that find found :) |
| 23:27.13 | xkr47 | anyway, typed it already |
| 23:27.15 | SpeedEvil | ssh into phone, use mouse :) |
| 23:27.17 | xkr47 | looks like a jolly file |
| 23:27.23 | xkr47 | eh, don't have usbnet working yet |
| 23:27.31 | xkr47 | hmm, is this a usb 2.0 device ? |
| 23:27.43 | SpeedEvil | vi `find / -name "Strokes.xml" |
| 23:27.44 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:27.46 | SpeedEvil | 1.1 only |
| 23:27.50 | xkr47 | while in uboot, it reports as 1.1, while in openmoko it reports as 2.0 |
| 23:27.51 | SpeedEvil | It's quite easy. |
| 23:28.01 | xkr47 | (in lsusb in host comp) |
| 23:28.03 | SpeedEvil | On host. |
| 23:28.09 | SpeedEvil | modprobe cdc_ether |
| 23:28.17 | SpeedEvil | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 23:28.26 | xkr47 | don't have cdc_ether, need to compile :P |
| 23:28.28 | SpeedEvil | route add 192.168.1.200 usb0 |
| 23:28.35 | xkr47 | yeah, I saw the default route |
| 23:28.37 | SpeedEvil | ssh 192.168.0.200 |
| 23:28.50 | xkr47 | route add ? |
| 23:29.00 | xkr47 | won't the netmask already add the route.. |
| 23:29.09 | xkr47 | also, the ip of the phone is .202 not .200 |
| 23:29.10 | mellon | yeah, you don't need the route add. |
| 23:29.17 | SpeedEvil | oh - yeah. |
| 23:29.28 | SpeedEvil | 2.2? diddn't do that. |
| 23:29.30 | mellon | but you should ifconfig with a netmask. |
| 23:29.59 | xkr47 | the letters on the haxx0r keyboard could be a snip bigger |
| 23:30.19 | xkr47 | mellon, default 255.255.255.0 is prolly fine |
| 23:30.19 | SpeedEvil | I found that 'xvkbd' was actually more usable. |
| 23:30.55 | xkr47 | nooot found :) |
| 23:31.00 | SpeedEvil | I basically started X, and ran fvwm on my local computer displaying on the phone. |
| 23:31.12 | SpeedEvil | xvkbd, firefox, xsnow |
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| 23:31.40 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:31.44 | SpeedEvil | http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ |
| 23:31.50 | SpeedEvil | trivially configurable. |
| 23:32.19 | mellon | Hm, phone gets rather hot when plugged in to the USB... |
| 23:32.48 | xkr47 | yeah, like a regular phone you have been talking in.. |
| 23:32.59 | mellon | Yup, except with no talking... :') |
| 23:33.02 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, guess I need the usbnet thing first :) |
| 23:33.08 | SpeedEvil | xvkbd was also nteresting in that you can detach the numpad. |
| 23:33.26 | SpeedEvil | wqhich admittedly isn't much use with the standard wm. |
| 23:33.42 | xkr47 | lots of spam in dmesg |
| 23:33.44 | SpeedEvil | I did find FF was _so_ much more usable than the default web-thing. |
| 23:33.47 | SpeedEvil | syslogd |
| 23:33.54 | SpeedEvil | it's not started for some reason |
| 23:34.04 | SpeedEvil | if you start it, stuff ends up in /var/log/messages |
| 23:34.07 | xkr47 | ff over usbnet ? |
| 23:34.09 | SpeedEvil | which is handy. |
| 23:34.10 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:34.31 | SpeedEvil | I've even used it using the GPRS net on the phone. |
| 23:34.39 | SpeedEvil | It's really not bad. |
| 23:34.47 | SpeedEvil | With the right extensions. |
| 23:35.03 | xkr47 | /etc/init.d/syslog start |
| 23:35.12 | xkr47 | Starting syslogd/klogd: (null) already running. |
| 23:35.12 | xkr47 | 1570 |
| 23:35.22 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 23:35.26 | SpeedEvil | with me it wasn't. |
| 23:35.28 | xkr47 | :) |
| 23:35.31 | SpeedEvil | what build are you running? |
| 23:35.45 | xkr47 | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:36.10 | SpeedEvil | odd - that's a little newer. |
| 23:36.57 | xkr47 | heh the web browser crashed when I entered / as url |
| 23:37.19 | SpeedEvil | It's even less stable than FF :) |
| 23:37.35 | SpeedEvil | Though uses considerably less RAM. |
| 23:40.20 | SpeedEvil | have you got it to open a file:// URL? I haven't. |
| 23:40.20 | xkr47 | now the footer panel crashed :) |
| 23:41.04 | rtyler | hey, any of you OpenMoko guys here in SF for LinuxWorld still? |
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| 23:45.56 | xkr47 | if I power it off, will it switch from 500mA charging to 100mA ? |
| 23:46.49 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:47.00 | SpeedEvil | However, if you unplug and replug, when powered off, it will. |
| 23:47.06 | xkr47 | nice |
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| 23:51.01 | mellon | Presumably the power manager chip will stop charging when the battery's full, though? |
| 23:53.15 | Writchie | mellon: I'm not so sure about that under all conditions. |
| 23:53.33 | Writchie | I can't explain why it tool 500ma for 8 hours |
| 23:53.37 | xkr47 | hmm, so is it safe to leave the moko plugged overnight ? |
| 23:53.47 | xkr47 | okk... |
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| 23:54.48 | Writchie | i see no evidence that its safe to leave it plugged in as long as machine its plugged into doesn't go into sleep mode |
| 23:55.23 | Writchie | i mean that its not safe - i think its safe under all conditions |
| 23:56.31 | Writchie | the onlyl sort of bad condition is leaving it off with the gsm running. This seems to deep discharge the battery. |
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| 23:57.07 | xkr47 | gaah I forgot to do hwclock --systohc |
| 23:57.43 | xkr47 | leave it off = leave it unplugged ? |
| 23:57.48 | rwhitby | I've left my neo running, plugged into my router (which supplies it 500mA) all night for at least three nights now |
| 23:58.47 | mellon | cool |
| 23:58.52 | rwhitby | in fact my Bv3 has been plugged into it for about 48 hours straight now |
| 23:59.13 | rwhitby | of course, I could be killing them slowly by doing so :-) |
| 23:59.18 | xkr47 | :P |
| 23:59.23 | xkr47 | them.. :) |
| 23:59.54 | rwhitby | but that's all part of an alpha tester's job description - work out what can kill the device |