| 00:00.46 | Arachnid | mrface: These are build options, not user preferences, though |
| 00:01.39 | Taco | I find bitbake baffling. Am I right in thinking that bitbake meta files do not take the place of a Makefile? |
| 00:02.06 | mrface | I understand that but I need gconf so I will use pkg-config to find out what the build options are, right? |
| 00:02.18 | Arachnid | Oh, right, I see what you mean |
| 00:02.26 | Arachnid | I don't know - check the gconfig manual to see if it uses pkg-config |
| 00:02.35 | *** part/#openmoko MrFeetio (n=david@c-71-230-5-247.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:02.51 | Arachnid | by the way, make sure you put pkg-config into your build script, rather than running it and copying the results |
| 00:02.58 | Arachnid | that way it'll run on any system with glib, not just yours |
| 00:03.22 | mrface | oh that's very clever. thanks |
| 00:03.35 | mrface | I will do that |
| 00:05.49 | jaebird | SpeedEvil: j/k...you are the edit bot, just look at the wiki history! |
| 00:08.53 | cesarb | Arachnid: AFAIK, the motorola dumb charger uses both a magic resistor value in the ID pin and a special configuration of the D pins |
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| 00:11.14 | Arachnid | ah |
| 00:11.37 | Arachnid | It would've been nice if the Neo supported something like that |
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| 00:14.31 | abraxa_ | Arachnid: It would've broken the USB specs, though |
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| 00:15.48 | Arachnid | abraxa_: Really? Even with that extra pin to work with? |
| 00:16.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r107 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: mkdosfs is in /sbin, which won't be in most user's paths |
| 00:16.46 | abraxa_ | Arachnid: There was a long debate about that on the hardware list |
| 00:16.56 | cesarb | abraxa_: not really, as USB uses only floating and IIRC ground on the ID pin |
| 00:17.25 | cesarb | abraxa_: and you keep having 5V on the 5V pin, so it will not confuse "normal" devices |
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| 00:17.58 | Arachnid | Thing is, users won't see "strictly usb compliant", they'll see "my phone is dead and I can't charge it" |
| 00:18.39 | cesarb | abraxa_: I believe the tricks would be explained on CEA-936-A, but I did not find a copy of the specification anywhere (and the best explanations of it I could find are on some misc datasheets) |
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| 00:20.17 | mjr | hmm, where can I see the degree of battery fullness (in cli)? |
| 00:23.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Window_Manager_Startup]] [[Disassembling_Neo1973]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[Look_%26_Feel/de]] |
| 00:26.03 | Kensan | mjr: my wild guess: somewhere under /proc/acpi/battery/.. |
| 00:27.19 | mjr | actually seems /proc/apm, but doesn't say when it's charging |
| 00:27.22 | mjr | ah well |
| 00:27.33 | SpeedEvil | does it give battery voltage? |
| 00:28.03 | mjr | in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008 there are a lot of voltage files :] |
| 00:28.07 | mjr | oh wait, battvolt |
| 00:28.19 | mjr | 4189 |
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| 00:29.47 | Arachnid | Wow. Careful around the contacts. ;) |
| 00:30.12 | mjr | what, did you lick the battery? |
| 00:31.30 | SpeedEvil | 4189 indicates it's either in float charge mode, or nearly there. Almost fully charged. |
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| 00:31.59 | Arachnid | mjr: No, just speculating that if it's 4189 volts, you should stay away from the contacts. ;) |
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| 00:32.47 | mjr | yeah, it was just about done methinks |
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| 00:42.33 | daMaestro | so, where is the info on the mixer levels script? |
| 00:42.40 | daMaestro | i want to try to actually make a call today |
| 00:42.42 | daMaestro | ;-) |
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| 00:48.22 | ferric | http://www.bugblogger.com/2007/07/greetings-from-.html |
| 00:48.31 | ferric | wow. i wonder if they'll make cellphones |
| 00:52.36 | daMaestro | sooo, where is the wiki page for the networking? does it have the needed information for doing static routes when there are conflicting networks? |
| 00:52.47 | daMaestro | route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 |
| 00:52.52 | daMaestro | needs to be added, if not |
| 01:04.05 | Psi_ | hm.. NO CARRIER |
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| 01:05.52 | daMaestro | Psi_, links? |
| 01:06.00 | Psi_ | of? |
| 01:06.04 | daMaestro | Psi_, i need to read about how to get my speaker(s) working |
| 01:06.06 | daMaestro | so i can make calls |
| 01:06.24 | daMaestro | i'd also like to check and make sure the networking howto has what is needed to add a static route to the phone |
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| 01:06.55 | Psi_ | i just bridged it to my home network |
| 01:07.01 | daMaestro | aka, i'm on wifi right now that has a default route that interferes with the usb device |
| 01:07.03 | Psi_ | was easier than setting up routing |
| 01:07.18 | daMaestro | hmm.. so then you just ran dhclient on the phone? |
| 01:07.35 | Psi_ | na, had to assign ip manually |
| 01:07.46 | Psi_ | no DNS atm tho |
| 01:07.59 | daMaestro | oh, blah; NetworkManager is going to screw up my bridge, i already know that |
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| 01:08.08 | Psi_ | i dunno where to add that yet, havnt really investigated it, only got my phone like 3 hours ago |
| 01:08.15 | daMaestro | where? the dns? |
| 01:08.21 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 01:08.22 | daMaestro | /etc/resolv.conf sounds logical |
| 01:08.36 | Psi_ | except there is no file of that name there :P |
| 01:08.42 | daMaestro | yeah nsswitch says it is to use files |
| 01:08.44 | daMaestro | well add it |
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| 01:09.06 | Psi_ | have you done that? |
| 01:09.21 | daMaestro | echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:09.28 | daMaestro | or whatever your NS is |
| 01:09.36 | daMaestro | well let me see if it picked up my change |
| 01:09.37 | daMaestro | hold on |
| 01:10.26 | daMaestro | hmm well there is no dig, and the nslookup provided by busy box doesn't have what i was looking for |
| 01:10.43 | Psi_ | hehe how do you get out of cu |
| 01:10.47 | Psi_ | ctrl C doesnt work |
| 01:10.53 | daMaestro | ctrl-\ ? |
| 01:11.00 | daMaestro | ctrl-z and then kill it |
| 01:11.00 | daMaestro | ? |
| 01:11.14 | Psi_ | tried them |
| 01:12.09 | daMaestro | hmm never used cu |
| 01:12.20 | daMaestro | uucp client? |
| 01:12.24 | Psi_ | yep |
| 01:12.43 | daMaestro | yeah, i just checked cu --help ... but i really have no idea |
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| 01:15.13 | Psi_ | what a weird command |
| 01:15.15 | Psi_ | its ~. |
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| 01:16.13 | Aria | AFter a newline |
| 01:16.22 | Aria | I've never typed it accidentally, which indicates that it works |
| 01:20.00 | daMaestro | libgsmd-tool -m shell ... well i was able to make a take a call via the shell |
| 01:20.06 | daMaestro | time to actually get the speaker and mic going |
| 01:20.25 | Psi_ | what did you use to make the call? |
| 01:21.58 | jaebird | Psi_: what carrier SIM? |
| 01:22.11 | Psi_ | vodafone NZ |
| 01:22.15 | Psi_ | prepay sim |
| 01:22.22 | jaebird | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd |
| 01:22.41 | daMaestro | jaebird, i got a tmobile sim today... it works |
| 01:22.58 | jaebird | I tried, but did not find any in my region... |
| 01:23.08 | daMaestro | jaebird, do you see my message earlier about the bug report per the gsm modem and att? |
| 01:23.28 | jaebird | daMaestro: think so...bug 666? |
| 01:23.43 | daMaestro | yup |
| 01:23.46 | Psi_ | daMaestro, thanks, dns is working :) |
| 01:23.55 | jaebird | yes...thanks, I added my comment to the bug |
| 01:24.26 | jaebird | daMastro: how much did it run you...the prepay? |
| 01:24.50 | Psi_ | huh? |
| 01:24.57 | Psi_ | its the sim out of my main phone |
| 01:25.23 | Psi_ | its pretty old, could even be the wrong voltage or something |
| 01:25.57 | jaebird | Psi_, can you AT+CIMI |
| 01:26.06 | daMaestro | Psi_, ;-) |
| 01:26.34 | jaebird | use the: libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 01:26.53 | jaebird | daMaestro: wrong name above...how much for the mins and activation? |
| 01:27.33 | Psi_ | jaebird, no |
| 01:27.49 | jaebird | oooh... |
| 01:28.07 | daMaestro | jaebird, well i just went to a store i knew someone, but it was $10 to activate (with a sim) and 10 "free" minutes |
| 01:28.36 | daMaestro | so for $10 you get a sim that you can make 10 calls with |
| 01:28.36 | daMaestro | lol |
| 01:28.36 | Psi_ | jaebird, what does AT+CIMI mean? |
| 01:28.36 | jaebird | Psi_: for us poor at&t users that is a bad sign for SIM cards not compatible |
| 01:28.53 | Psi_ | well this sim has worked in all the phones ive tried it in |
| 01:28.55 | jaebird | daMaestro: that is what i need...somebody wanted 55 bucks for 30 min! |
| 01:29.23 | daMaestro | wow |
| 01:29.35 | sagacis|livingrm | daMaestro: I was at the store |
| 01:29.37 | Psi_ | defiantly worked in both alcatel / nokia phones |
| 01:29.39 | daMaestro | yeah, i'm most likely going to add $100 which will give me 1000 minutes |
| 01:29.50 | daMaestro | sagacis, ? |
| 01:29.51 | sagacis|livingrm | daMaestro: use their flex plan |
| 01:30.01 | daMaestro | meh, i don't really like tmobile |
| 01:30.06 | daMaestro | you can't add data plans to prepay |
| 01:30.15 | sagacis|livingrm | I went to the tmobile store and talked to them about the options |
| 01:30.17 | daMaestro | so i'm going with att, when we frigging get the firmware fix |
| 01:30.31 | sagacis|livingrm | The flex plan is pay-as-you-go |
| 01:30.32 | Psi_ | is there anything else i need to do other than power_on to 1 |
| 01:30.44 | sagacis|livingrm | 1000 minutes for $40 |
| 01:31.02 | daMaestro | sagacis|livingrm, i know.. but add your comments to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/Tmobile |
| 01:31.18 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/TMobile |
| 01:31.18 | daMaestro | sorry |
| 01:31.19 | sagacis|livingrm | But, he wanted to charge me $20 for the sim card, so that was $60 |
| 01:31.34 | daMaestro | i got activation and 10 minutes for $10 |
| 01:31.44 | sagacis|livingrm | I may have to move out of the living room to use a decent keyboard.... |
| 01:31.47 | jaebird | daMaestro: firmware?? if it is the calypso...rma time |
| 01:31.56 | daMaestro | jaebird, it is p1 |
| 01:32.36 | sagacis|livingrm | Yeah, you make me sick ;-) |
| 01:32.37 | daMaestro | jaebird, are we really going to get a "free" rma that will fix this lame ass issue? |
| 01:32.37 | navaburo | hey guys, what dev does the micro sd show up as? |
| 01:32.37 | sagacis|livingrm | /media/card |
| 01:32.38 | daMaestro | (issue being that att sucks and uses random on sim protection) |
| 01:32.40 | jaebird | dont know |
| 01:32.55 | mwester | and will the RMA, if it happens, occur in a timeframe that get you a working phone before the P2 units ship? |
| 01:33.00 | navaburo | sagacis|livingrm: thats where it should mount, but it didnt |
| 01:33.03 | daMaestro | mwester, exactly |
| 01:33.04 | jaebird | like i mentioned earlier...my chinamobile unlocked motorola e2 works fine |
| 01:33.16 | jaebird | so it can't be a _special_ lock |
| 01:33.33 | jaebird | it is just some random gsm security/spec issue that TI needs to fix |
| 01:33.49 | navaburo | and the device that it should get mounted (i think its /dev/mmcsomething) isnt there |
| 01:33.53 | jaebird | unfortunately if it is a firmware mod in the modem...we will be sol for a _long_ time |
| 01:33.59 | daMaestro | jaebird, from what has been linked, it sounds like SIM Sentry ... but i don't know for sure |
| 01:34.06 | jaebird | think about the shipping from this last time :) |
| 01:34.13 | daMaestro | yeah, this is true |
| 01:34.29 | daMaestro | ok... so does anyone know where the script is to get my sound working? |
| 01:34.31 | jaebird | maybe we will have the option to upgrade to P2 at a special price :) |
| 01:34.34 | jaebird | heh |
| 01:34.36 | daMaestro | so i can actually make a real call and talk with my neo? |
| 01:34.49 | jaebird | send it back with 150 bucks or something |
| 01:34.57 | daMaestro | i mean it's cool to see all the shell reponses and network talk... but i want to use voice... lol |
| 01:35.02 | Q_Continuum | Can the OpenMoko punch through the lack of cell tower reception here in Minneapolis? |
| 01:35.07 | jaebird | i can limp along with t-mobile or something till oct |
| 01:35.17 | sagacis|livingrm | navaburo: carefully check your sd card insertion. |
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| 01:35.30 | jaebird | i wasn't planning on using as my _real_ phone for awhile |
| 01:36.02 | jaebird | alsactl .... |
| 01:36.35 | jaebird | daMaestro: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
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| 01:36.44 | jaebird | search for alsactl on that page |
| 01:36.59 | daMaestro | thanks |
| 01:37.04 | daMaestro | i was looking at alsamixer |
| 01:37.18 | jaebird | yeah...that is for playing cool tunes :) |
| 01:37.27 | jaebird | which i did this afternoon |
| 01:37.49 | jaebird | although ssh with pc is not a very portable solution |
| 01:38.16 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: always add a 8:1 gain antenna |
| 01:38.43 | jaebird | yeah, that mmc connector dealeo is very scary at first |
| 01:39.15 | Q_Continuum | linux_galore, I'm referring to the fact that Interstate 35W's bridge collapsed 3 hours ago...should be all over the news - I live 5 blocks away, and am not bothering to turn on my phone. |
| 01:39.26 | daMaestro | wget http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmheadset.working.state is b0rked |
| 01:39.26 | daMaestro | does anyone have the new link |
| 01:39.32 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: get a HF stubby antenna for a truck thats how I do it for remote areas here in AU, works a treat |
| 01:39.32 | jaebird | it took me awhile to understand that you have to slide the card into the hinged door |
| 01:39.49 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: aah sorry |
| 01:40.06 | Q_Continuum | more of a "when emergencies happen..how can I overpower everyone else's phone for a channel?" lol |
| 01:40.12 | abraxa_ | Any SVN wizards around? I have a question about an SVN import |
| 01:40.12 | jaebird | then, when inserting sim, understood it was identical |
| 01:40.24 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: you cant, its a first serv first some setup with most cells |
| 01:40.31 | jaebird | wonder what poor ol sap is going to bust it trying to figure it out? :( |
| 01:40.39 | don-o | abraxa_: you might try #svn |
| 01:40.44 | linux_galore | s/some/come |
| 01:41.32 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: emergency services have an override code though built into their sims |
| 01:41.41 | jaebird | daMaestro: it is on the flash |
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| 01:41.57 | Q_Continuum | its all the gawkers trying to see...they're killing the cell towers, AND my parking >.< |
| 01:42.01 | jaebird | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state |
| 01:42.12 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: poor you |
| 01:42.16 | sagacis | Wow! looking at the bridge collapse |
| 01:42.34 | mwester | That's what they do in any emergency -- the gawkers get in the way of the emergency teams doing their work. |
| 01:42.51 | don-o | Q_Continuum: omg! |
| 01:42.57 | Q_Continuum | During their one announcement, they basically told everyone to GTFO. |
| 01:42.58 | sagacis | daMaestro: I used the state on the image already. It worked OK for me. |
| 01:43.15 | daMaestro | cool.. yes i didn't know it was already there |
| 01:43.17 | daMaestro | thanks. |
| 01:43.18 | Q_Continuum | jaebird, you'd be on the list I'm inclined to go beat outside my house lol |
| 01:43.37 | Q_Continuum | HL/HL2 style :D |
| 01:43.47 | jaebird | Q_Continuum: as long as we can set an open line up for people to listen :) |
| 01:44.04 | Q_Continuum | one. |
| 01:44.09 | Q_Continuum | via VOIP to a line far outside the area. |
| 01:44.14 | Q_Continuum | :D |
| 01:44.22 | jaebird | word |
| 01:44.27 | abraxa_ | don-o: Thanks, trying my luck |
| 01:45.27 | jaebird | we should try to talk cariers into allowing free moko to moko phone calls :) |
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| 01:45.48 | jaebird | then we could test call folks, heh |
| 01:46.31 | sagacis | Before long, we'll all be on TMobile, so we should get their family plan |
| 01:46.39 | jaebird | arghhhh |
| 01:46.43 | daMaestro | ok... wellllll |
| 01:46.52 | linux_galore | I was listening to a podcast last year and they were talking about the USA and economics and one scientist noted that the USA has allot of old decaying bridges that are due for upgrades and no one has the money to fix them. |
| 01:46.52 | jaebird | isn't there tagline..."get more" |
| 01:46.52 | daMaestro | now my phone just beeps really loud at me when i place a call |
| 01:47.46 | mwester | linux_galore: yes, that's true: Chicago has a number of them. But this bridge in MN was not considered that old, and was just inspected two or three years ago. Somebody messed up, big. :( |
| 01:48.00 | linux_galore | After the war the USA went on a big highway and bridge building frenzy and now the US gov has hundreds of bridges that need serious maintenance |
| 01:48.10 | sagacis | daMaestro: You got the sound working, what more do you want? |
| 01:48.24 | daMaestro | sagacis, well.. i can't actually make a phone call |
| 01:48.29 | daMaestro | it just beeps, loudly |
| 01:48.52 | sagacis | That's OK. I can't make a call either, without swiping my wife's sim card |
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| 01:49.06 | linux_galore | mwester: yeah but being inspected doesnt mean it doesnt need maintenance |
| 01:49.28 | mwester | That's why I said sombody messed up. |
| 01:50.04 | linux_galore | mwester: no i dare say they didnt have enough money so they fudged it |
| 01:50.43 | sagacis | The bridge was undergoing maintenance |
| 01:50.50 | sagacis | according to AP |
| 01:51.02 | linux_galore | mwester: ie we will put it on next years budget, few years of this and you can see what hapens |
| 01:51.18 | sagacis | Hmm... How do I turn off the external speakers so only the headset is playing? |
| 01:51.23 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2602 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer/ (71 files in 3 dirs): Import of current media player development |
| 01:51.23 | jaebird | hmm...i just drove over that river last night, diff bridge tho |
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| 01:52.02 | jaebird | sagacis: poke them with a needle |
| 01:52.18 | sagacis | That would work once |
| 01:52.27 | linux_galore | its a good lesson, if a bridge in the USA is getting repaired is must seriously be stuffed |
| 01:52.34 | linux_galore | it* |
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| 01:54.19 | linux_galore | Oh well the media now have a week of finger pointing on the front page and "the baby who survived the bridge collapse" stories |
| 01:54.26 | linux_galore | and 101 lucky I was late for work stories |
| 01:55.38 | linux_galore | finnished of by the "God told me not to go to work today" story |
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| 01:56.00 | linux_galore | <sigh> |
| 01:56.09 | navaburo | sagacis|livingrm: I checked the sd card, looked out of alignment, booting now |
| 01:56.12 | SuN | And a few "Wife calls husband -- where are you, honey? --I'm on the bridge, traffic jam is pretty bad!" cheater unmasked stories. |
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| 01:57.10 | jaebird | what is going on with the new openmoko theme and apps that mokoninja showed? |
| 01:57.34 | linux_galore | jaebird: the Poko stuff ? |
| 01:57.43 | jaebird | is this a buildable image that can be grabbed from svn? |
| 01:57.52 | jaebird | sudoku :) |
| 01:58.25 | jaebird | is the application manager going to have public repos that we can install from? |
| 01:58.44 | jaebird | linux_galore: Poko? |
| 02:03.07 | abraxa_ | jaebird: The apps are already on SVN under 2007.2 |
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| 02:07.33 | Psi_ | is AT+CPIN="...." your pin code |
| 02:08.50 | Psi_ | yep, it is |
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| 02:09.13 | Psi_ | that wasnt very obvious on the wiki |
| 02:11.07 | Psi_ | <jaebird> Psi_, can you AT+CIMI <- yes that is working now\ |
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| 02:12.53 | Psi_ | hm.. thats weird, i can answer a call, but not make one |
| 02:13.20 | Psi_ | i guess the fact that i can answer a call means that my sim is working and the GSM part is working too :) |
| 02:13.38 | Psi_ | <- happy |
| 02:14.58 | Psi_ | yay. figured that out |
| 02:15.31 | Psi_ | needs to have the + in the number or it doesnt work here |
| 02:15.42 | Psi_ | wiki example doesnt have a + |
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| 02:19.01 | moko-bunny | hmmm...anyone know of a changelog on uboot? tried searching bugzilla, found one possible bug, but doesn't look closed |
| 02:23.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:custum_input_on_computer]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[MacOS_X]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 02:24.25 | compbrain | Woo! Neo arrived |
| 02:24.31 | compbrain | I foolishly got a useless SIM card though. |
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| 02:25.27 | ZerothCloned | hey all |
| 02:27.55 | daMaestro | root@fic-gta01:~$ alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmheadset.working.state restore |
| 02:27.55 | daMaestro | No state is present for card neo1973 |
| 02:27.57 | daMaestro | hmm.. so.. what went wrong? |
| 02:29.48 | daMaestro | hmm.. so i can get calls to go out and come in, but i have yet to figure out how to make it so i can actually hear the call and talk during it |
| 02:30.00 | moko-bunny | dumb question, but is gsmheadset.working.state in that directory? I don't have that file |
| 02:30.55 | daMaestro | hmm it exists, but is empty |
| 02:31.10 | moko-bunny | :( |
| 02:32.27 | Psi_ | i dunno if this is the correct one to use but http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmheadset.working.state |
| 02:33.01 | Psi_ | i just tried to get alsa working and i got "no soundcards found" hehe |
| 02:33.04 | ZerothCloned | quick question, does the wifi exist in the qemu vm? I doubt it... |
| 02:35.27 | daMaestro | Psi_, ahh yes.. i just found that also |
| 02:35.35 | daMaestro | http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/ is the new location |
| 02:37.29 | sagacis | What's in the uboot? |
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| 02:41.35 | arcanericky | moko-bunny / sagacis: Are you two concerned with uboot because you can't get it to compile any longer either? |
| 02:41.46 | weez | new neo owners |
| 02:41.55 | weez | be careful about powering down your neo |
| 02:41.58 | Psi_ | daMaestro, im thinking you might have to turn the soundcard on first, but im not sure how yet |
| 02:42.09 | weez | i think i left mine in suspend and killed the battery |
| 02:42.18 | weez | unsuccessful in reviving it yet |
| 02:42.29 | moko-bunny | I was wondering what has changed between r8 (in my phone) and r11 what I built |
| 02:42.38 | ZerothCloned | oh boy weez, that sucks |
| 02:42.43 | sagacis | arcanericky, yes and no. I couldn't get it compile so I went back to the image. I'm really trying to get OM2007.2 to compile an fs image |
| 02:42.47 | daMaestro | weez, i just had that happen |
| 02:43.03 | weez | daMaestro, what did you do? |
| 02:43.03 | sagacis | weez, just charge it |
| 02:43.04 | daMaestro | weez, it took finding another battery to get it started (to uboot) and then it started charging over usb |
| 02:43.04 | sagacis | I did that yesterday |
| 02:43.08 | moko-bunny | ...especially since I can't seem to get it to flash the kernel now :( |
| 02:43.10 | sagacis | I just plugged in the usb and waited |
| 02:43.16 | weez | i was stupid |
| 02:43.20 | arcanericky | sagacis: Yes, it compiled as of Monday (I think) but today when I updated, I couldn't get it to compile. I think someone broke the repository. :( |
| 02:43.26 | weez | i plugged into usb and waited about 2 hours or so |
| 02:43.30 | weez | then i pressed power on |
| 02:43.33 | weez | nothing |
| 02:43.35 | sagacis | That's what I did |
| 02:43.53 | sagacis | Remember, power on take many seconds |
| 02:43.53 | Psi_ | weez, so what do you recommend, take the battery out when not using the phone |
| 02:43.53 | weez | now even though its plugged into USB it is not getting warm as it previously was |
| 02:43.53 | sagacis | s/take/takes |
| 02:43.57 | weez | Psi_, i dunno |
| 02:44.19 | Psi_ | do you think yours discharged the battery below min volts ? |
| 02:44.22 | weez | Psi_, latest build would never power off, but would get stuck on the screen |
| 02:44.22 | moko-bunny | arcanericky: I just updated and built...and it didn't touch my Jul30 uboot |
| 02:44.38 | weez | Psi_, with a little message saying shutting down |
| 02:44.48 | weez | I think i need to pull the battery out and check it with a voltmeter |
| 02:44.57 | arcanericky | moko-bunny: Ok - I gave up and I'm starting the build completely from scratch again. There goes another two nights. |
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| 02:45.23 | moko-bunny | arcanericky: bummer :( yeah, it takes forever to build |
| 02:45.38 | moko-bunny | lemme try one more update and see if anything changes |
| 02:45.50 | sagacis | I used the 28 july image OK |
| 02:45.54 | sagacis | from the buildhost |
| 02:46.04 | sagacis | I haven't successfully flashed one of my images yet |
| 02:46.30 | daMaestro | so, what might cause libgsmd-tool -m shell calling to work, but not the dialer |
| 02:46.38 | daMaestro | gsmd already crashed, so i restarted it |
| 02:47.05 | daMaestro | i just want to hear my phone actually ringing a call.. and voice ;-) |
| 02:47.07 | moko-bunny | hehe, I think someone just checked in mediaplayer :) |
| 02:47.15 | daMaestro | moko-bunny, yup |
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| 02:47.32 | daMaestro | abraxa did |
| 02:47.37 | moko-bunny | cool :D |
| 02:47.44 | daMaestro | <CIA-24> openmoko: abraxa * r2602 /trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer/ (71 files in 3 dirs): Import of current media player development |
| 02:47.49 | daMaestro | right before you joined |
| 02:48.09 | moko-bunny | well...we'll see if it builds :) |
| 02:48.14 | abraxa_ | moko-bunny: Yeah but it's nowhere near complete yet - I'll keep committing until it is ;) |
| 02:48.33 | moko-bunny | :) |
| 02:48.52 | ZerothCloned | what files can it play abraxa? |
| 02:49.07 | abraxa_ | ZerothCloned: It makes use of gstreamer so you can toss it anything gstreamer can handle |
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| 02:49.45 | moko-bunny | I'm clueless...does that include video or just audio? |
| 02:49.51 | abraxa_ | Both |
| 02:49.55 | moko-bunny | :rock on: |
| 02:50.06 | abraxa_ | The stylus-based media player is dead |
| 02:50.07 | ZerothCloned | just whats needed for OM |
| 02:50.14 | ZerothCloned | what does yours do? |
| 02:50.40 | abraxa_ | ZerothCloned: Currently I'm focusing on audio but it'll handle both audio and video in the long run |
| 02:51.18 | moko-bunny | built successfully :) |
| 02:51.25 | abraxa_ | yay! |
| 02:52.29 | daMaestro | so, i'm wondering if anyone has been able to actually hear the phone make a call... i mean i can use the shell to make and take calls.. but i never hear anything |
| 02:52.31 | moko-bunny | now if I can get the dang thing to flash...it's being persnickity...gonna try taking out my SD card...maybe moko doesn't like Jethro Tull |
| 02:52.46 | weez | as someone with an EE degree, i am embarrassed to ask.. but I have an old hand me down volt meter here and I don't know whats going on.. |
| 02:53.11 | Psi_ | daMaestro, what happens when you use alsactl, does it come back with no soundcards found? |
| 02:53.27 | weez | when I measure the voltage accross the + - terminals on the battery the display on the voltmeter changes to 1. which I assume means something |
| 02:53.32 | daMaestro | no, i pulled the two "working" scripts from the new location |
| 02:53.37 | daMaestro | favoring the "handset" one |
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| 02:53.42 | weez | i wonder if it is out of range... |
| 02:53.48 | moko-bunny | daMaestro: I did get one call received successfully today...used the gsmheadset.state that was in joe's 0728 build |
| 02:54.05 | daMaestro | moko-bunny, did you use the handset or the headset? |
| 02:54.05 | weez | doh :P |
| 02:54.07 | weez | that was it |
| 02:54.44 | weez | i thought it was doing something funny on the 20 V setting so I put it down to 2 thinking the voltage was really low... |
| 02:54.57 | weez | but i am measuring 3.68 |
| 02:55.03 | weez | hmmm |
| 02:55.24 | abraxa_ | weez: Blame the weather ;) |
| 02:55.30 | weez | woohoo |
| 02:55.36 | weez | ok, that time it worked... |
| 02:55.42 | cheriff | weez: we totally uncharged ours once to the point where it was too flat to begin the charging process |
| 02:55.42 | weez | i don't know what changed since last time |
| 02:55.48 | calamous1_ | daMaestro: I'm emailing at&t and asking for a working sim card |
| 02:55.54 | weez | but i will be more careful next time... |
| 02:55.54 | calamous1_ | I'm going to link them to the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT page |
| 02:56.05 | cheriff | problem solved against all sensibilities by directly hooking to a power supply and ghetto-charging it for 5 mins |
| 02:56.11 | daMaestro | calamous1_, there is a bug about it |
| 02:56.17 | calamous1_ | and request that they give me a sim card thats listed in the working section or refund my money |
| 02:56.22 | daMaestro | calamous1_, and FIC is saying it is going to require flashing the firmware on the modem |
| 02:56.29 | daMaestro | calamous1_, bug #666 |
| 02:56.41 | daMaestro | mokobot, #666 |
| 02:56.41 | moko-bunny | daMaestro:sorry...used the headset..and plugged in the earbuds...sound was a little weak |
| 02:56.41 | daMaestro | so we have a bug bot? |
| 02:56.53 | daMaestro | moko-bunny, ok.. cool.. i'll try it |
| 02:57.06 | calamous1_ | daMaestro: can we flash it? |
| 02:57.18 | daMaestro | calamous1_, the report is no |
| 02:57.30 | calamous1_ | so do we have to send our phones back? |
| 02:57.39 | calamous1_ | I don't see anything about that on #666 |
| 02:58.49 | navaburo | dns resolution anyone? |
| 02:58.49 | daMaestro | comment 6 |
| 02:59.09 | daMaestro | navaburo, echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:59.15 | daMaestro | or whatever your dns server is |
| 02:59.28 | navaburo | ok, I didn't see a resolv.conf |
| 02:59.34 | daMaestro | yeah, it's not there |
| 02:59.34 | Psi_ | make one |
| 02:59.40 | calamous1_ | daMaestro: he just said that it will be delayed. do you know why the bug exists in the first place? |
| 03:00.03 | daMaestro | no, i just know it is potentially at a level we can't do anything about (aka the consumers) |
| 03:00.12 | calamous1_ | I guess I should not talk to at&t since its not their fault |
| 03:00.24 | daMaestro | well.. it might be ;-) |
| 03:00.43 | calamous1_ | Someone said that all t-mobile sims work fine |
| 03:00.43 | calamous1_ | its just the at&t ones |
| 03:00.52 | daMaestro | i'm using a tmobile sim right now |
| 03:00.58 | calamous1_ | working? |
| 03:01.05 | sagacis | daMaestro, I made a phone call, talked and heard last night |
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| 03:01.18 | sagacis | I used the handset |
| 03:01.58 | navaburo | daMaestro: do a reboot? (no /etc/init.d/named or bind9) |
| 03:02.18 | daMaestro | navaburo, umm.. no |
| 03:02.41 | cheriff | ,ls |
| 03:02.48 | daMaestro | navaburo, it should work after setting up the resolv.conf |
| 03:02.57 | moko-bunny | argggh! I keep getting "Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: Operation not permitted"..but I've flashed it before :( |
| 03:03.04 | sagacis | I just put in the resolv.conf and it worked immediately. |
| 03:03.12 | navaburo | ok |
| 03:03.20 | sagacis | Make sure you put the right thing in. My local DNS (router) is 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:03.28 | daMaestro | ok.. i'm leaving this cafe.. bbl |
| 03:03.36 | sagacis | moko-bunny: sudo... |
| 03:03.55 | moko-bunny | ahhh...thank you....*Smacks forehead* |
| 03:04.04 | sagacis | I just did exactly the same thing |
| 03:04.04 | sagacis | Including the smack! |
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| 03:07.18 | sagacis | I lost my sd card with the latest reboot |
| 03:07.53 | mwester | best check again; it's probably inside that case somewhere! ;) |
| 03:08.05 | sagacis | It's so darn tiny... |
| 03:08.17 | mwester | hehe |
| 03:10.03 | sagacis | Does MokoMakefile do the mkfs.jffs2? |
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| 03:11.59 | navaburo | I have the correct dns information in the resolv.conf file |
| 03:12.32 | Psi_ | nameserver x.x.x.x ? |
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| 03:12.38 | Psi_ | cos if so, it should just work |
| 03:12.46 | navaburo | but ping produces Unknown Host |
| 03:13.05 | Psi_ | can you ping local ips? |
| 03:13.52 | sagacis | echo your resolv.conf and tell us what it contains |
| 03:14.16 | navaburo | i have 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:14.35 | Psi_ | it needs to say 'nameserver 192.168.2.1' |
| 03:14.40 | navaburo | yes, I can ping local and ermote ips |
| 03:14.51 | Psi_ | without the ' obviously |
| 03:17.25 | navaburo | uuh, I cant believe forgot that.. |
| 03:17.55 | sagacis | Better now? |
| 03:18.13 | sagacis | I successfully build a new rootfs. Don't know if OM-2007.2 is included in that... |
| 03:18.47 | ZerothCloned | holy cow... so many new sounds |
| 03:21.49 | navaburo | yupyup |
| 03:22.08 | navaburo | the web browser got to google.com :) |
| 03:22.18 | navaburo | (and that's it for now) |
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| 03:30.41 | sagacis | Still haven't successfully built an image that runs on the device |
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| 03:35.22 | Psi_ | i still havnt found out why i get "no soundcards found" |
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| 03:37.08 | codyl | Is there a way to cancel my order? |
| 03:37.48 | sagacis | You can send reply to your order email with the subject like [rt.internal#xxxx] |
| 03:37.53 | sagacis | That will post back to the order process |
| 03:38.17 | daMaestro | has anyone tried getting prboom working yet? |
| 03:38.34 | daMaestro | i don't have any build env setup yet... nor have i learned ipkg |
| 03:38.46 | sagacis | No bitbake files for the new stuff, darn. |
| 03:38.53 | navaburo | still no luck with the microSD card |
| 03:38.59 | navaburo | I re-inserted it |
| 03:39.01 | sagacis | What's prboom? |
| 03:39.13 | daMaestro | sagacis, http://giyf.us/prboom |
| 03:40.07 | sagacis | Now we're talking.... |
| 03:40.24 | sagacis | navaburo: In a minute, I'll check my sd card |
| 03:40.37 | sagacis | I'm booting after restoring the 7/28 rootfs |
| 03:40.47 | sagacis | Still running the new uBoot, tho |
| 03:42.12 | sagacis | grrr... No icons. I wonder why that happens sometimes. |
| 03:42.41 | navaburo | sagacis: I reseated the card (it was off) and also put an ogg file on it |
| 03:42.51 | sagacis | navaburo: I don't have the sdcard any more |
| 03:43.11 | sagacis | What uboot image are you using? |
| 03:45.00 | Psi_ | do you have to power the sourdcard on? like the gsm |
| 03:45.03 | navaburo | h/o one sec |
| 03:46.04 | navaburo | I never re-flashed uboot |
| 03:46.13 | navaburo | oem, shipped with phone |
| 03:47.19 | sagacis | Ok. I flashed to the 7/28 uboot when I flashed the rootfs. I had the media card then |
| 03:47.33 | sagacis | Now, withthe 8/1 uboot and the 7/28 rootfs, no media card |
| 03:49.56 | navaburo | hm |
| 03:51.31 | navaburo | I'm running the 7/28 rootfs and uImage2388 |
| 03:51.38 | navaburo | uboot oem |
| 03:52.28 | sagacis | Wait, whenever I said uboot, I meant uimage |
| 03:52.30 | sagacis | Sorry! |
| 03:52.37 | sagacis | I did NOT flash my uBoot |
| 03:52.40 | sagacis | Just my uImage |
| 03:53.02 | navaburo | ok, good to know! lol |
| 03:53.32 | sagacis | I updated to uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 03:53.32 | sagacis | I updated to uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-.... today |
| 03:53.43 | sagacis | Now I don't have sd card |
| 03:53.59 | sagacis | It was working under uImage...moko10... |
| 03:54.26 | sagacis | I'm going to flash the uimage back to moko10 |
| 03:54.44 | navaburo | I got the neo today |
| 03:54.58 | navaburo | and flashed the latest kernel and rootfs |
| 03:55.45 | sagacis | from "Flashing Openmoko": |
| 03:55.48 | sagacis | "...now, you'll end up with system that boots, but does not see audio/SD card. You'll need to download corresponding modules.tgz and copy them over to openmoko. - UPDATE: GTA01 phones appear to not need this step." |
| 03:57.12 | navaburo | right, what about the GTA01 note? |
| 03:57.21 | navaburo | [the wiki needs some updating...] |
| 03:57.52 | sagacis | Yup. It seemed right to me yesterday. Maybe the modules got dropped from the latest image |
| 03:58.13 | navaburo | ok, how would I go about xferring the latest set of modules? |
| 03:58.51 | sagacis | Ok, back at uImage...moko10 and 7/28 rootfs, I have the sdcard |
| 03:59.22 | navaburo | ok, so its a software issue |
| 03:59.46 | sagacis | Yup. Let's compare modules real quick |
| 03:59.55 | navaburo | [lsmod] |
| 04:00.14 | sagacis | Maybe it's in the kernel |
| 04:00.22 | sagacis | I don't see it |
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| 04:01.24 | sagacis | Does your lsmod show nls_iso8859_1? |
| 04:01.30 | sagacis | better yet: |
| 04:01.42 | moko-bunny | the kernel and rootfs I just built works with the SD card |
| 04:01.42 | sagacis | root@fic-gta01:/lib/modules$ lsmod |
| 04:01.42 | sagacis | Module Size Used by |
| 04:01.42 | sagacis | nls_iso8859_1 3808 1 |
| 04:01.42 | sagacis | nls_cp437 5472 1 |
| 04:01.42 | sagacis | vfat 10144 1 |
| 04:01.43 | sagacis | fat 46268 1 vfat |
| 04:01.45 | sagacis | nls_base 6720 4 nls_iso8859_1,nls_cp437,vfat,fat |
| 04:01.47 | sagacis | snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 9976 0 |
| 04:01.49 | sagacis | snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s 3496 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 |
| 04:01.51 | sagacis | snd_soc_s3c24xx 4384 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 |
| 04:01.53 | sagacis | snd_soc_wm8753 28568 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 |
| 04:01.55 | sagacis | s3cmci 11396 0 |
| 04:01.57 | sagacis | rfcomm 35484 0 |
| 04:01.59 | sagacis | ohci_hcd 20812 0 |
| 04:02.01 | sagacis | hidp 14720 2 |
| 04:02.03 | sagacis | l2cap 20196 10 rfcomm,hidp |
| 04:02.05 | sagacis | hci_usb 15228 0 |
| 04:02.07 | sagacis | bluetooth 48580 6 rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,hci_usb |
| 04:02.07 | Psi_ | you have alot more stuff in there than me |
| 04:02.15 | Psi_ | i have nothing :P |
| 04:02.30 | sagacis | I got this image from the chooseopen site |
| 04:02.43 | sagacis | http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ |
| 04:02.54 | sagacis | I think that's Jason Ellwell's |
| 04:03.06 | Psi_ | yeah, my version must have them all in the kernel instead |
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| 04:03.27 | moko-bunny | I was running that one until this evening...I think... |
| 04:03.43 | sagacis | Psi_: I don't think so. Check your /lib/modules. They might not be installed |
| 04:04.52 | Psi_ | ah, your right |
| 04:05.09 | sagacis | Of course, if they are compiled in the kernel, they won't be there, either... |
| 04:05.28 | sagacis | But, usually the builds from buildhost aren't with modules |
| 04:05.42 | sagacis | I'm not sure how to install them easily. |
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| 04:06.00 | navaburo | when I cat /proc/modules |
| 04:06.05 | navaburo | there are none |
| 04:06.23 | navaburo | ^^ |
| 04:07.48 | Psi_ | i wouldnt know where to start insmod'ing them |
| 04:07.58 | sagacis | Heh.. I cat /proc/modules on my host pc and freaked out |
| 04:08.01 | Psi_ | tried a few sound ones, but got invalid module format |
| 04:08.12 | sagacis | root@fic-gta01:/$ cat /proc/modules |
| 04:08.12 | sagacis | nls_iso8859_1 3808 1 - Live 0xbf05a000 |
| 04:08.12 | sagacis | nls_cp437 5472 1 - Live 0xbf057000 |
| 04:08.12 | sagacis | vfat 10144 1 - Live 0xbf053000 |
| 04:08.12 | sagacis | fat 46268 1 vfat, Live 0xbf046000 |
| 04:08.13 | sagacis | nls_base 6720 4 nls_iso8859_1,nls_cp437,vfat,fat, Live 0xbf043000 |
| 04:08.15 | sagacis | snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 9976 0 - Live 0xbf03f000 |
| 04:08.17 | sagacis | snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s 3496 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753, Live 0xbf03d000 |
| 04:08.19 | sagacis | snd_soc_s3c24xx 4384 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753, Live 0xbf03a000 |
| 04:08.21 | sagacis | snd_soc_wm8753 28568 1 snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753, Live 0xbf032000 |
| 04:08.23 | sagacis | s3cmci 11396 0 - Live 0xbf02e000 |
| 04:08.32 | sagacis | rfcomm 35484 0 - Live 0xbf024000 |
| 04:08.32 | sagacis | ohci_hcd 20812 0 - Live 0xbf01d000 |
| 04:08.32 | sagacis | hidp 14720 2 - Live 0xbf018000 |
| 04:08.32 | sagacis | l2cap 20196 10 rfcomm,hidp, Live 0xbf012000 |
| 04:08.33 | sagacis | hci_usb 15228 0 - Live 0xbf00d000 |
| 04:08.35 | sagacis | bluetooth 48580 6 rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,hci_usb, Live 0xbf000000 |
| 04:08.37 | sagacis | Check this out from "MokoMakefile" wiki page: |
| 04:08.43 | mwester | ~pastebin |
| 04:08.44 | apt | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 04:08.53 | sagacis | ou can also use “'make qemu-copy-package-foo” to copy the .ipk file for package foo to the virtual SD card, and later use “'ipkg install /media/mmcblk0/file” from within the emulated Neo1973 to install the package. |
| 04:09.13 | no_mind | ~google |
| 04:09.14 | apt | google is, like, a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 04:10.41 | sagacis | Also, the ipkg's for the modules can be found at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/fic-gta01/ |
| 04:10.56 | sagacis | In fact, there's a bunch of interesting stuff there. |
| 04:11.05 | sagacis | I'll have to check those out |
| 04:12.54 | sagacis | I wonder what is io-edgeport |
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| 04:24.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] |
| 04:32.25 | *** topic/#openmoko by aloril -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Received Neo1973? See [[SH1]] | Shipping status roughly at [[P1_Owners]] | If you have hardware: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Unresolved_Hardware_Questions |
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| 04:36.35 | Obri | good morning |
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| 04:37.57 | phrozen77_ | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028629&source=rss_news10 |
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| 04:41.02 | phrozen77_ | When the initial public version of the device is released this fall, at least one large, well-known company will announce it is committing to the device, Moss-Pultz said. He refused to provide the name of the company. |
| 04:41.04 | phrozen77_ | hm |
| 04:41.06 | phrozen77_ | ibm, anyone? |
| 04:41.37 | orospakr | phrozen77_: IBM isn't a carrier. |
| 04:41.46 | ckuethe | so? |
| 04:41.48 | phrozen77_ | where does it say carrier? |
| 04:41.52 | phrozen77_ | it says company |
| 04:41.54 | ckuethe | that could by j. random tech company |
| 04:41.57 | phrozen77_ | i think ibm qualifies for that |
| 04:42.07 | phrozen77_ | large well known |
| 04:42.08 | phrozen77_ | hm |
| 04:42.11 | ckuethe | maybe google |
| 04:42.13 | phrozen77_ | reading is tech |
| 04:42.21 | orospakr | well, IBM *might* be interested in the device as a corporate messaging device. But that would still require some sort of federation with a GSM carrier. |
| 04:42.26 | ckuethe | who's big and making lots of money on linux |
| 04:42.35 | orospakr | ie., eat into the lucrative blackberry market. |
| 04:42.35 | phrozen77_ | ckuethe, thats the question |
| 04:42.39 | ckuethe | who's kinda open source friendly |
| 04:42.40 | orospakr | I doubt Linux has much to do with it. |
| 04:43.44 | ckuethe | yeah, "linux powered" may not be the selling feature to $BIGCORP that it is to some of us here |
| 04:44.49 | ckuethe | but i think that some big company is more likely to adopt an openmoko phone if they're already familiar/comfortable with linux |
| 04:45.45 | ckuethe | the obvious gphone.com and googlephone.com aren't reg'd to google |
| 04:46.08 | ckuethe | pity the spectrum auction rules suck. |
| 04:47.10 | orospakr | that is true! |
| 04:47.15 | orospakr | I haven't even thought of google. |
| 04:47.30 | orospakr | But they might well be interested in OpenMoko technology. |
| 04:48.02 | ckuethe | gtalk on your cellphone. now your sms and voice conversations can be google-searched |
| 04:48.10 | ckuethe | and google earth integration |
| 04:48.20 | ckuethe | because we have a big, hi-res screen and a gps |
| 04:48.24 | ckuethe | and lots of storage |
| 04:48.30 | ckuethe | and a video accelerator |
| 04:48.32 | aloril | Sun has already released photoshop picture about Neo1973 |
| 04:48.47 | phrozen77_ | :O |
| 04:48.48 | ckuethe | where? |
| 04:49.09 | happycube | they were demoing some java me stuff |
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| 04:49.30 | ckuethe | yeah, i could see sun drinking the openmokoolaid |
| 04:50.34 | aloril | for example: http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=174 |
| 04:50.48 | aloril | (from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ) |
| 04:51.01 | happycube | humm... i have my debug board plugged in, jtag and serial work but the usb isn't showing up |
| 04:51.17 | happycube | am i supposed to plug into both ports? i don't get that impression from the wiki |
| 04:51.17 | aloril | that is not OpenMoko of course, but Sean is talking about device there ;-) |
| 04:54.15 | roh | happycube both ports? |
| 04:55.22 | happycube | both usb ports |
| 04:55.53 | aloril | Sean might be of course talking about somebody else ... |
| 04:57.38 | aloril | lets prove this guy wrong: '"The likelihood of this product becoming mainstream is very low," said Ken Dulaney, an analyst at Gartner Inc. in Stamford, Conn.' |
| 05:00.11 | phrozen77_ | ^^ |
| 05:00.12 | linux_galore | Just heard this interview from someone who saw the whole bridge collapsing event.......you know like, the bridge fell down and like it fell like a long way.....aaaaaaaagh |
| 05:00.26 | happycube | ouch |
| 05:00.49 | roh | happycube i always connect the moko on one side of the nb and the debugboard on the other. |
| 05:01.00 | linux_galore | shoot the reporter who picked her out |
| 05:01.04 | happycube | one side of the nb? |
| 05:01.19 | roh | the moko charges on that port so additional devices do not get any power/much power |
| 05:01.27 | happycube | ahhh |
| 05:01.39 | roh | happycube i have 3 ports. one single and 2 shared power |
| 05:02.06 | happycube | the wiki made it sound like the usb was routed through the debug board - guess not in bv4 ;) |
| 05:02.21 | roh | the debug board has a hub in it. yes. |
| 05:02.39 | happycube | i plugged in a bluetooth dongle and it showedup but the phone's usb devices didn't |
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| 05:02.58 | roh | but since most usbports only source 500mA and the moko can max that out some usbstacks do not give the second plugged device the permission to draw more than 100mA |
| 05:03.15 | happycube | unforunatly with where everything is i can't plug the debug board directly into the tower :P |
| 05:03.26 | roh | heh. |
| 05:05.01 | aloril | woah, quite sceptical analysts, but I guess they are looking at stuff trough commercially colored glasses |
| 05:05.33 | roh | aloril: these analysts don't know people are kicking our doors in since month now |
| 05:05.48 | aloril | roh: hehe |
| 05:06.01 | happycube | heh cool |
| 05:07.03 | happycube | i think there's even a decent embedded-market for gta01 |
| 05:07.14 | roh | and the part about 'being interresting for application developers need a established userbase' is also bulls*it. he is talking about 'commercial application developers' ... 'people who sell applications' ... *looking left* *looking right* .. hm.. i can only see opensource atm.. which is _good_ |
| 05:07.31 | phrozen77_ | full ack |
| 05:08.06 | phrozen77_ | its pretty clearly that these anal-ysts can only see & think in black and white |
| 05:08.33 | roh | its technical.. so i can see why they do not understand that |
| 05:08.44 | aloril | roh: its like asking analysts about Linux 13 years ago ;-) |
| 05:09.01 | phrozen77_ | hm they should understand that - otherwise they shouldnt analyze tech-stuff |
| 05:09.12 | phrozen77_ | im not attempting to engineer some nuclear bomb either |
| 05:09.19 | roh | aloril: heh.. so what... the least what i care is marketing and endusersales right now. |
| 05:09.20 | aloril | roh: or asking about internet 20 years ago |
| 05:09.29 | happycube | any way to keep u-boot from timing out? |
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| 05:10.03 | happycube | (and turning off the phone - bad during jtag stuff) |
| 05:10.05 | roh | happycube it shouldn't . that bug was fixed long ago.. as soon as dfu starts sending data the timeout shoult be completely ignored/disabled |
| 05:10.17 | happycube | ok |
| 05:10.22 | aloril | they are kind of seeing: "not big market for windows apps on OpenMoko" |
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| 05:10.25 | happycube | heh |
| 05:10.30 | phrozen77_ | lol |
| 05:10.32 | happycube | just wait until mono's fully ported |
| 05:10.51 | roh | happycube you also can set the timeout in uboot env. to some big number ;) |
| 05:11.04 | happycube | :) |
| 05:11.10 | phrozen77_ | i just wonder |
| 05:11.18 | happycube | pardon the newbie q's... i just got my debug board set up tonight |
| 05:11.22 | phrozen77_ | is the october date for the 02 definitive? =) |
| 05:11.56 | phrozen77_ | coz that'll make a perfect birthday present :D |
| 05:12.20 | roh | phrozen77_ i think that depends much more on facts that not even i know of than on anything which is 100% predictable. |
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| 05:12.31 | aloril | s/October will be a 1.0 release/October or late will be a 0.5 release/ ;-) |
| 05:13.05 | happycube | i have the may 19th build and it did fall asleep on me |
| 05:13.14 | happycube | should i update? |
| 05:13.38 | roh | happycube did it fall asleep while transmissing via dfu or while just idling in uboot? |
| 05:13.42 | happycube | idling |
| 05:13.48 | roh | thats normal |
| 05:13.51 | happycube | ok |
| 05:14.05 | aloril | its only 2-3 months until October (and most devs only recently got device) |
| 05:14.13 | phrozen77_ | thats why im asking |
| 05:14.20 | roh | but you also can update. uboot checks if the uboot is built for the right revision before flashing (atleast it should do that now) |
| 05:14.33 | phrozen77_ | im just curious :D if you guys can make it - more power to you =) |
| 05:14.41 | aloril | phrozen77_: well, I would except phoning and GPRS work (and probably SMS too) |
| 05:14.55 | aloril | and other basic stuff |
| 05:15.02 | roh | phrozen77_ if you ask me: lets do it right, better than fixing hw-bugs with software workarounds for month |
| 05:15.18 | phrozen77_ | i dont care much about the functionality - i more or less wait for the revised hw |
| 05:15.27 | phrozen77_ | roh, absolutely |
| 05:15.40 | happycube | do i want to change bootdelay? |
| 05:16.19 | roh | i'm positive to have a sample then which should be working hw. but sw.? i cannot even guess what problems may or may not falling down on us. |
| 05:16.24 | happycube | yeah - i don't expect gta02 in october ;) |
| 05:16.51 | happycube | it would go right along with the gta01 kit i got in january |
| 05:16.55 | happycube | ;P |
| 05:17.04 | roh | happycube bootdelay is how long uboot is 'visible' before booting |
| 05:17.09 | happycube | oh |
| 05:17.19 | happycube | what's the timeout one? couldn't find that in the env list |
| 05:17.24 | roh | you need that to be able to access the serial and interrupt autoboot |
| 05:17.40 | roh | that entry is not there by default.. mompls.. i can look it up |
| 05:17.48 | happycube | i'll add it to the wiki |
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| 05:19.07 | phrozen77_ | gnite all - at 7:17am -_- |
| 05:19.10 | happycube | nite |
| 05:22.36 | roh | boot_menu_timeout it is afaik |
| 05:22.41 | happycube | i'll try that |
| 05:23.09 | happycube | one more thing - how can you always make it boot into the menu? |
| 05:23.41 | roh | uff.. dunno if that is implemented. |
| 05:24.45 | happycube | doh |
| 05:26.19 | happycube | it's not - i just went into the init file |
| 05:26.34 | happycube | it uses a "voting" process so that if you hold down aux more than half the time it goes into the menu |
| 05:26.44 | roh | yep... just reading that |
| 05:27.13 | roh | so you know where to touch to make it show a menu always |
| 05:27.55 | happycube | yup |
| 05:28.17 | happycube | it'd be nice to make at an environment variable so it could go into the main tree though |
| 05:28.48 | happycube | *that |
| 05:29.31 | happycube | depends on ti |
| 05:29.42 | happycube | and thanks roh - that setting fixed the timeout |
| 05:29.46 | aloril | happycube: right and that could take a while ... |
| 05:39.41 | happycube | ok i don't need the menu now anyhow... ;) i set boot_wait to 5 seconds so after reset i can send something via DFU |
| 05:41.11 | happycube | *bootdelay |
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| 05:46.08 | happycube | argh - the sneaky-dfu conflicts with the nand readin |
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| 05:48.24 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 06:00.50 | fgau | moin moin |
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| 06:09.10 | linux_galore | new casio phone looks interesting http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/things-we.d-like-in-america/casio-adds-a-51-mp-cameraphone-to-its-exilim-line-285094.php |
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| 06:16.14 | xzcvczx | sweet |
| 06:16.23 | xzcvczx | and da,m the stylus is nice |
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| 06:25.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Bootloader]] |
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| 06:32.20 | daMaestro | well, i've still not been able to make a call with audio working |
| 06:32.50 | daMaestro | but at least i got it working again (after the battery completely died) ... and the tmobile sim works :-D |
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| 06:46.21 | daMaestro | btw, if anyone is looking at tmobile, check out the new flex plan... i just confirmed it is ay as you go $39.99 for 1000 minutes, evenings and weekends free.... $20 activation; and you can add data access plans |
| 06:46.36 | daMaestro | data access is 19.99-29.99 a month depending on what services you use |
| 06:48.41 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Received Neo1973? See [[SH1]] | Shipping status roughly at [[P1_Owners]] | If you have hardware: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Unresolved_Hardware_Questions and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 06:50.23 | aloril | daMaestro: found suitable SIM? |
| 06:50.33 | daMaestro | aloril, on the tmobile network |
| 06:50.36 | daMaestro | aloril, not on att |
| 06:50.56 | daMaestro | aloril, have you see the bug for the att sim(s)? |
| 06:51.05 | aloril | yes, that evil bug |
| 06:51.14 | daMaestro | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666#c6 |
| 06:51.15 | daMaestro | lol |
| 06:51.16 | daMaestro | yea! |
| 06:51.17 | aloril | or evil proprietary bug ;-) |
| 06:51.22 | daMaestro | 666 mark of the beast |
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| 06:57.54 | linux_galore | daMaestro: lol, you actually pay for activation, what a total con |
| 06:58.42 | linux_galore | here in Australia I pay $00.00 for activation and I pay as I go from as little as $2 |
| 06:59.58 | linux_galore | if you pay $50 you stay connected for a whole year on a pre-pay |
| 07:00.07 | xzcvczx | hmmm it takes a bit of time to put the rootfs onto the phone doesnt it |
| 07:01.27 | daMaestro | yes |
| 07:01.53 | xzcvczx | 1/2 way |
| 07:02.22 | linux_galore | I find it amusing that Telco's in the USA charge for people to connect to the service considering part of how a networks actual worth is calculated is by how many phones are connected (works out at about US$400 per client), in reality they should be paying the users to connect |
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| 07:22.26 | daMaestro | so, where is the mailing list that issues build reports, etc? |
| 07:22.26 | aloril | at least one plan in Finland doesn't have monthly payments, only initial 10 EUR (DNA Arvo) |
| 07:22.30 | daMaestro | hopefully with a changelog |
| 07:22.34 | daMaestro | so i know when to flash |
| 07:22.39 | aloril | there is also one eith 0 EUR opening, but 2.95 EUR/month |
| 07:22.40 | daMaestro | rather then just bitch |
| 07:22.46 | xzcvczx | ok how do you get the top menu back if you make it disapeer? |
| 07:23.08 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, i've managed that a lot (when dealing with the gsm power on/register via the gui) |
| 07:23.15 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, i've not found a way.. other then reboot |
| 07:24.22 | daMaestro | awesome.. first try and the dialer made a call for me |
| 07:24.31 | daMaestro | too bad i still have yet to figure out how to make sound work |
| 07:24.42 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: i dont think that my sim is registering properly |
| 07:25.07 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, have you ssh'd in and tested a libgsm shell based call? |
| 07:25.19 | xzcvczx | not yet |
| 07:25.24 | xzcvczx | i only got the phone an hour ago |
| 07:25.58 | xzcvczx | worked this time |
| 07:26.07 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 07:26.54 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Getting_shell_access_on_the_phone and then http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode |
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| 07:29.30 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 07:29.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | daMaestro, try "cd /etc/alsa/ && wget http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmheadset.working.state && alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmheadset.working.state restore" |
| 07:31.18 | daMaestro | Dmitry_Platonov, that link is no longer good |
| 07:31.28 | daMaestro | Dmitry_Platonov, they have moved to: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973 |
| 07:31.53 | daMaestro | and yes.. i have both of the .working.state |
| 07:31.55 | cheriff | 5~ |
| 07:32.01 | daMaestro | i'd really like to get the handset working |
| 07:32.06 | daMaestro | but even the headset is fine |
| 07:32.25 | daMaestro | i'm actually working on getting NAT going on hotplug from fedora |
| 07:32.43 | daMaestro | i'm very close.. might need to fix up the FORWARD chain a little more |
| 07:32.57 | xzcvczx | is there any way to change the date from on the phone? |
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| 07:35.15 | Sublime | i did it with unix date commands |
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| 07:35.37 | PBeck | hi |
| 07:35.40 | xzcvczx | yeah thats how i will do it if there is no one to do it from the gui |
| 07:35.50 | daMaestro | i would assume that the plan would be to do it from the gsm network |
| 07:35.59 | daMaestro | but so far i've not see the time persist |
| 07:36.03 | Sublime | after that make sure you set the hardware clock to the system clock |
| 07:36.16 | daMaestro | Sublime, does it keep after reboot? |
| 07:36.32 | Sublime | if you set the hardware clock to the system clock after it does |
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| 07:37.39 | Sublime | "hwclock --systohc" |
| 07:38.04 | Sublime | i havent been able to make it display in am/pm yet, just 24hr time |
| 07:38.44 | aloril | daMaestro: or set time from GPS |
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| 07:39.42 | daMaestro | Sublime, that is most likely just tz settings |
| 07:39.46 | daMaestro | aloril, funny |
| 07:39.51 | xzcvczx | good old terminal+osk== sweet |
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| 07:44.04 | xzcvczx | hmmm for some reason the GSM has jammed up |
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| 08:25.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[User:Historybuff/fingerinputidea]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] |
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| 08:26.51 | mokobot | Hello Master |
| 08:29.50 | Obri | ? |
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| 08:34.41 | jserv2 | Greeting! |
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| 08:40.05 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 08:42.39 | Psi_ | daMaestro, how did you get the dial app to make a call? |
| 08:45.35 | daMaestro | Psi_, just used it |
| 08:47.18 | Psi_ | hm.. |
| 08:47.48 | daMaestro | Psi_, have you gotten manual calls to work? |
| 08:47.48 | Psi_ | what format did you dial |
| 08:48.07 | Psi_ | yes, ive made and recieved calls using cu -l |
| 08:48.10 | daMaestro | just normal |
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| 08:48.43 | Psi_ | i was doing AT+CPIN="...." instead of my actual pin :P |
| 08:48.43 | daMaestro | Psi_, try: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode |
| 08:49.38 | Psi_ | daMaestro, when you try to get sound working (alasctl) what error do you get? |
| 08:49.48 | daMaestro | Psi_, i don't get an error |
| 08:49.49 | daMaestro | just no sound |
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| 08:50.00 | Psi_ | i get "no soundcards found" |
| 08:50.09 | daMaestro | i really want to get hot plug NAT going |
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| 08:51.24 | Psi_ | daMaestro, how did you enter your pin to get the dialing app to work? |
| 08:51.36 | daMaestro | my sim doesn't have a pin |
| 08:51.39 | Psi_ | ah |
| 08:51.51 | Psi_ | that explains that then |
| 08:53.15 | raynet | *sigh* just my luck. my phone is finally arriving to Finland but i gotta leave home today for 4 day computer festival so i'll get my neo at monday |
| 08:53.18 | Psi_ | does it actually not have a pin, or is it no pin if the pin is 0000 ? |
| 08:54.43 | daMaestro | Psi_, i don't have to enter a pin at all |
| 08:55.07 | Psi_ | yeah, i was just wondering if the dialing app assumes a pin of 0000 or something |
| 08:55.41 | daMaestro | the dialing app most likely doesn't care about the pin |
| 08:55.46 | daMaestro | i would assume only gsmd does |
| 08:56.26 | Psi_ | the pin is the one i enter when my old cellphone is first turned on, i can change it in the phone menu |
| 08:56.42 | Psi_ | actually i think there might also be a setting to disable it |
| 08:57.04 | Psi_ | i always thought that was a phone setting tho, nothing to do with the sim other than storing the number |
| 08:57.58 | Psi_ | daMaestro, what kernel/image are you using? |
| 08:58.05 | daMaestro | i'm just about to flash it |
| 08:58.27 | Psi_ | ok |
| 08:58.38 | Psi_ | ill wait and see which one you think is better :) |
| 08:59.41 | Sublime | i just flashed with the latest kernel and module pack and it would freeze at starting usb host |
| 09:00.06 | LarstiQ | raynet: Assembly? |
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| 09:00.31 | daMaestro | hmm... so http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/latest/ doesn't contain the latest |
| 09:00.43 | daMaestro | that is strange |
| 09:01.15 | daMaestro | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/latest/ is what i have been using |
| 09:01.17 | daMaestro | time to update |
| 09:01.43 | Sublime | i got it from here: http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ |
| 09:02.17 | Sublime | woops |
| 09:02.31 | raynet | LarstiQ: hai |
| 09:02.38 | Sublime | i mean: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 09:02.59 | Sublime | yeah looks like htey need to update latest |
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| 09:03.43 | daMaestro | i'm going to try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728081358.rootfs.jffs2 and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 09:04.01 | nimu | hello |
| 09:04.18 | nimu | any dude is there |
| 09:04.24 | Psi_ | daMaestro, thats exactly what im using now |
| 09:04.44 | nimu | mhh.... |
| 09:04.44 | Psi_ | ill be interested to see if you get the no soundcard message |
| 09:04.52 | LarstiQ | raynet: cool, could you watch some compos for me ;) |
| 09:04.53 | daMaestro | i'll let you know |
| 09:05.12 | raynet | LarstiQ: sure, why not |
| 09:05.12 | Sublime | Psi_ can you get it to play an mp3? |
| 09:05.25 | nimu | i will send u later on ur e mail. |
| 09:05.40 | Psi_ | ive not tried, without sound i didnt feel there was any point in trying to play one |
| 09:05.41 | raynet | LarstiQ: if i had had my neo earlier i might have managed to made something for the mobile compo but now.... |
| 09:05.44 | nimu | give me ur e mail adress |
| 09:05.53 | nimu | psi |
| 09:06.08 | Sublime | i can play mp3s but havent been able to get sound on calls |
| 09:06.18 | Sublime | give it a try and see if it works |
| 09:06.30 | nimu | ok than send me |
| 09:06.52 | Psi_ | Sublime, your using chooseopen rather than buildhost aren't you? |
| 09:06.55 | raynet | *sigh* ffrom UPS site Scheduled Delivery: 08/06/2007 |
| 09:07.06 | LarstiQ | raynet: I trust I have mine on time for breakpoint, but yeah :/ |
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| 09:07.30 | Sublime | no |
| 09:08.28 | Psi_ | oh, ok |
| 09:08.36 | Sublime | when i first flashed to get a gui for the first time i used chooseopen but ive flashed so many damn times, im pretty sure im using buildhost now |
| 09:08.45 | Psi_ | heh |
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| 09:09.44 | daMaestro | yeah, flashing the kernel is pretty quick |
| 09:09.49 | daMaestro | the rootfs takes about 5 minutes |
| 09:10.02 | daMaestro | i got this sweet powered usb hub today.. oh yeah |
| 09:10.58 | Sublime | wifi dongle time |
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| 09:18.57 | aloril | raynet: next year you could do something with GTA02 (GPU) ;-) |
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| 09:20.59 | raynet | aloril: yup :) |
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| 09:40.22 | daMaestro | Psi_, i am getting no soundcards found on boot |
| 09:40.56 | Psi_ | i could be getting that also, ive not looked at my bootlogs much |
| 09:40.59 | daMaestro | Psi_, this *is* the first boot though |
| 09:42.03 | daMaestro | Psi_, lol.. well it looks like the xserver failed to start |
| 09:42.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2603 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-calculator: * Adjust font size of calculator display |
| 09:43.10 | daMaestro | Psi_, i'm booting it again |
| 09:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Out For Delivery. (though not directly to me) |
| 09:44.01 | Psi_ | is there a way to enter + into the dialer app? |
| 09:44.05 | daMaestro | Psi_, still getting no soundcards found... this time the xserver loaded |
| 09:44.22 | Psi_ | * has a + on it but there is no shift or anything to get it |
| 09:44.29 | Psi_ | daMaestro, yep |
| 09:44.44 | SpeedEvil | You do know you don't actually dial + generally? |
| 09:45.03 | SpeedEvil | It's an escape meaning 'your international prefix'. |
| 09:45.03 | daMaestro | you don't? ;-) |
| 09:45.17 | SpeedEvil | AIUI anyway. |
| 09:45.24 | SpeedEvil | I could of course be wrong. |
| 09:45.35 | daMaestro | oh wow! |
| 09:45.41 | daMaestro | i really like the UI on this build more |
| 09:45.54 | daMaestro | i can actually touch to open the menu!.... and we have snazzy images now |
| 09:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Does it actually make calls and not crash? :) |
| 09:46.23 | denis^da | Could someone do some screens of the new UI |
| 09:46.25 | daMaestro | testing now |
| 09:46.45 | daMaestro | i like the "thinking" image a LOT more too |
| 09:46.46 | Psi_ | SpeedEvil, when i try and dial using cu -l if i dont put it in the format +xxyzzzzzzz it doesnt work |
| 09:47.00 | denis^da | would be nice to have some fresh screenshots in the wiki |
| 09:47.02 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 09:47.09 | SpeedEvil | I guess I'm wrong again. |
| 09:47.15 | SpeedEvil | That must be the third time. |
| 09:47.31 | daMaestro | i could do some later today |
| 09:47.40 | daMaestro | i need to go to sleep soon, $work today |
| 09:48.02 | denis^da | thanks daMaestro :) |
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| 09:48.33 | daMaestro | i would say the new build looks somewhat nicer, but i wont go as far as to say it is working better |
| 09:48.52 | daMaestro | boot up is showing a lot of issues |
| 09:50.18 | daMaestro | hmm.. and the dialer wont even start on this build |
| 09:50.45 | ynezz | so fix it and send patches :) |
| 09:50.56 | ynezz | or bug reports... |
| 09:51.33 | daMaestro | yes, i know |
| 09:51.43 | Psi_ | daMaestro, arent you using the same build as me? |
| 09:51.50 | daMaestro | maybe not |
| 09:51.55 | daMaestro | i'm using the build from yesterday |
| 09:52.25 | ynezz | ok, just noticed too many mails with complains, but I haven't seen any patch yet :p |
| 09:52.25 | Psi_ | na im not using that one |
| 09:53.19 | ynezz | "complains", they're bug reports actually but at wrong place :) |
| 09:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Complain to bugzilla :) |
| 09:54.10 | ynezz | anyway it's nice to have so many testers |
| 09:54.34 | daMaestro | i'm versed enough with FOSS i know that much ;-) |
| 09:54.43 | daMaestro | i've only had a SIM card for <12 hours |
| 09:55.13 | ynezz | ah, you live in that att country? :p |
| 09:55.13 | daMaestro | and $work doesn't allow me to play with my neo, so i only have limited time |
| 09:55.20 | daMaestro | thus i'm up at 4am |
| 09:55.29 | ynezz | :) |
| 09:57.39 | daMaestro | hmm.... what is the default password for the new images? |
| 09:57.50 | SpeedEvil | echo $work ? |
| 09:58.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2604 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: * Add match for MokoDigitButton to fix button font colour in the dialer |
| 09:58.41 | ynezz | daMaestro: bugzilla |
| 09:58.47 | ynezz | probably :) |
| 09:59.02 | daMaestro | meh, i'm just trying to get the hotplug stuff working |
| 10:02.10 | XorA | SpeedEvil: rm $work |
| 10:03.18 | daMaestro | hmm i'm going back one rootfs version |
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| 10:08.52 | aloril | raynet: I guess GTA02 is quite good platform to make demo, reasonably powerful GPU |
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| 10:10.05 | LarstiQ | aloril: GTA01 is good enough already |
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| 10:10.23 | aloril | LarstiQ: yeah, but GTA02 is something else |
| 10:10.45 | daxxar | The GTA02-GPU, does it have support for OpenGL ES? |
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| 10:11.58 | ewon | daxxar: apparently, yes |
| 10:12.48 | daxxar | Designed on the OpenGL ES 1.2, the co-processor's performance achieves 2M triangles per second via SMedia's own optimizing Transform and Lighting engine. With the capability of 8 lights simultaneously, 3 different lighting types and multiple textures in one cycle, the Glamo3370 Mobile Graphics Processor give users an immersive 3D gaming experience. |
| 10:14.02 | SpeedEvil | Ah yes. |
| 10:14.14 | SpeedEvil | That'd be an immersive experience on a 2.8" screen :) |
| 10:14.19 | daxxar | Hehe. :-) |
| 10:14.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | We need wearable display support |
| 10:14.43 | Dmitry_Platonov | stereo glasses, etc.. |
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| 10:15.04 | aloril | apparently some of it exists, just quite expensive |
| 10:15.09 | Stephmw | Dmitry_Platonov: just tape two mokos linked by bluetooth to your glasses |
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| 10:15.49 | Psi_ | Dmitry_Platonov, its called two neos and a roll of duct tape |
| 10:17.12 | SpeedEvil | 320*240 or so - invisible in sunglasses. Need to be at least $200 or so though. |
| 10:17.23 | SpeedEvil | At least in small qty |
| 10:17.23 | daMaestro | hmmmm it looks like it's the latest kernel causing me issues |
| 10:18.14 | daMaestro | nice, and i got a jffs2 error 71 |
| 10:18.16 | daMaestro | :-D |
| 10:18.21 | daMaestro | this mean time to ZzZzZZz |
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| 10:18.53 | daxxar | Hm, my neo is in transit to Copenhage |
| 10:18.54 | daxxar | Copenhagen |
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| 10:19.12 | SpeedEvil | Are you anywhere near there? :) |
| 10:19.38 | daxxar | Hehe, not too bad. I'm in the middle of Norway |
| 10:19.44 | daxxar | Copenhagen is in the ~middle of Denmark |
| 10:19.59 | daxxar | So, just a bunch of hours transit north, and it's here. |
| 10:20.04 | SpeedEvil | Well - at least it's on the right continent. |
| 10:20.09 | daxxar | But I bet customs will want to play with it before I get it. |
| 10:20.10 | daxxar | Yep |
| 10:20.30 | daxxar | It's been in two german cities, so it has been on the right continent for a day or two. |
| 10:21.16 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: Do you have any advice if I feel I understand KCL/KVL, Node-voltage, etc, but fail horribly when trying to apply it to exercises? (like last years exams) |
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| 10:22.13 | aloril | SpeedEvil: I would buy one for $200 instantly |
| 10:24.54 | SpeedEvil | KCL? |
| 10:24.58 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 10:25.14 | SpeedEvil | daxxar: do more excersizes. |
| 10:25.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
| 10:25.54 | SpeedEvil | If you have problems, take a pic of your circuit, and go over to ##electronics for help, and explain what you've done, and where you're stuck. |
| 10:26.18 | Dmitry_Platonov | and what it smells like |
| 10:26.29 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: Okay, I'll try that. :-) |
| 10:26.44 | cjb_ie | yeah, tantalum and electrolytic capacitors have unique smells |
| 10:26.54 | daxxar | We're talking theory guys, so no burnt components. ;-) |
| 10:27.00 | SpeedEvil | aloril: The real problem is that to 'properly' develop a BT thingy, is some $20K for the required test-gear. Which I don't have. (this is to make it sure that it'll work with all devices, no thte couple I test with) |
| 10:28.17 | aloril | yeah, thought what about Neo1973 only? or one with wires instead of Bluetooth? |
| 10:28.31 | SpeedEvil | Wires is simpler. |
| 10:28.41 | SpeedEvil | Or dedicated wifi. |
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| 10:28.52 | SpeedEvil | And it would reduce the required testgear. |
| 10:29.21 | SpeedEvil | But not actually reduce the cost by much - the price is mainly the display - which is $45 in ones |
| 10:29.37 | SpeedEvil | So that needs to add $90 to the price, to make it reasonable for sale. |
| 10:30.30 | aloril | but would reduce R&D cost, so less capital needed |
| 10:30.37 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 10:34.02 | aloril | what about display + camera both in glasses? |
| 10:34.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2605 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 10:34.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-02 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 10:34.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call): |
| 10:34.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Check if we have already set the incoming call status, otherwise each |
| 10:34.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: ring causes MokoGsmdConnection to emit a incoming call, and we keep |
| 10:34.37 | CIA-24 | openmoko: creating talking widgets. |
| 10:34.41 | raster | meh |
| 10:36.56 | SpeedEvil | aloril: that adds a fair bit of complexity. Lots if you want video. |
| 10:37.01 | SpeedEvil | As you then need a codec. |
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| 10:37.52 | LarstiQ | SpeedEvil: what's wrong with raw DV? ;) |
| 10:37.54 | aloril | unless you do it with wires, but then still need fair amount of power |
| 10:38.10 | SpeedEvil | LarstiQ: raw DV over bluetooth doesn't work that well. |
| 10:38.26 | LarstiQ | it doesn't even work that well over wifi. |
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| 10:43.32 | Henrikw | daxxar: when is your neo scheduled to arrive? I think mine is on the same shipment :D |
| 10:44.44 | RedDog | is it normal to pay in germany 50,89 euro taxes for the neo?? |
| 10:45.04 | cjb_ie | that sounds lower than what people have paid in other countries |
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| 10:46.21 | daxxar | Henrikw: 08/07/07 |
| 10:46.32 | daxxar | I.e. tuesday |
| 10:46.40 | daxxar | Whoops, that's bad timing! Day before my exam! ;P |
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| 10:47.00 | Henrikw | same as me :) can't wait.. eksamen nå? konte? ;) |
| 10:48.05 | Henrikw | fyi, I have also an exam on the 9. :p |
| 10:48.46 | daxxar | Jepp, kosekonte. |
| 10:48.59 | Henrikw | fag da? |
| 10:49.02 | daxxar | I have a konte in "kretsteknikk", meh, I suck. :-P |
| 10:49.06 | daxxar | 'bout you? |
| 10:49.13 | Henrikw | digtek :p |
| 10:49.25 | daxxar | AFI - Prelude 12/21 = awesome on high volumes with a decent stereo. |
| 10:49.37 | daxxar | Chorus & bass makes songs rules. ;-) |
| 10:50.01 | daxxar | You're taking compsci? |
| 10:50.23 | Henrikw | nope, HiST electronics |
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| 10:50.44 | daxxar | Ah, okay. Cool, bachelor? |
| 10:50.48 | Henrikw | yep |
| 10:50.50 | Henrikw | you? |
| 10:50.54 | daxxar | EE |
| 10:51.10 | daxxar | (siving elektronikk) |
| 10:51.20 | daxxar | Starting second year now, 'bout you? |
| 10:51.30 | Henrikw | ah :) starting second as well |
| 10:51.41 | daxxar | I'm actually having digtek this year |
| 10:51.45 | raster | young'uns |
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| 10:52.21 | Henrikw | it's not that hard if you're actually paying attention :p |
| 10:52.38 | ewon | not as old as cjb_ie though... |
| 10:52.38 | daxxar | ewon: Hehe |
| 10:52.46 | Henrikw | heh :) |
| 10:52.51 | daxxar | Henrikw: Do you take many (any?) courses on NTNU? |
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| 10:53.24 | Henrikw | daxxar: no, none. but I work there from time to time :) |
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| 10:53.57 | daxxar | Henrikw: Where do you work? |
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| 11:24.39 | Psi_ | yay, got sound, well. got mp3 to play :) |
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| 11:30.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2606 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:30.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: Stop being pedantic |
| 11:30.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-declares.h: Removed |
| 11:30.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.c: (moko_dialer_textview_class_init), |
| 11:30.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_dialer_textview_init), (moko_dialer_textview_set_color), |
| 11:30.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_dialer_textview_insert): |
| 11:30.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.h: |
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| 11:43.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2607 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-dialer.desktop): |
| 11:43.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-02 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 11:43.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * data/openmoko-dialer.desktop: |
| 11:43.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Execute openmoko-dialer -s, so the dialer always shows. |
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| 11:59.16 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
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| 12:08.18 | b1303s | hi |
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| 12:11.37 | adjaxio | Hello |
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| 12:26.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] [[Talk:Main_Page/ru]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[Talk:Openstreetmap]] |
| 12:27.19 | xzcvczx | is there any way to play with gps in p1? |
| 12:27.44 | hrw | xzcvczx: if you have gliin then you can |
| 12:27.57 | xzcvczx | hrw: and if you dont lol |
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| 12:28.12 | hrw | xzcvczx: to play with gps you need gliin |
| 12:28.50 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:29.11 | xzcvczx | hrw: do you have any idea why its not included in the rootfs |
| 12:29.36 | hrw | no |
| 12:29.48 | mjr | continuing contractual tuning with Global Locate, apparently |
| 12:30.09 | xzcvczx | humm ha |
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| 12:31.43 | hrw | I think that gliin in rootfs was by mistake - someone did not reflashed phones after testing. |
| 12:32.04 | mjr | probably |
| 12:32.52 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 12:34.23 | Vegar | isn't gllin shipped with the P1 devices? |
| 12:34.39 | woglinde | P1 comes without rootfs |
| 12:34.47 | hrw | Vegar: only some ones - those sent in March to selected devs |
| 12:34.49 | Vegar | ah |
| 12:35.40 | hrw | there was p0(50 selected devs), p1(devs from p0) and p1(phones sold to devs in July) |
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| 12:38.02 | Dmitry_Platonov | global locate do not want developers to mess with gllin and RE hammerhead protocol? |
| 12:38.20 | SpeedEvil | Well - given tha tthey don't document it... |
| 12:40.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | whoa! "make openmoko-devel-image" completed! |
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| 12:49.55 | bedboi | hi there.. |
| 12:50.25 | woglinde | hi |
| 12:50.57 | bedboi | i'm will be in the States on August the 7th. Are the NEOs sold out? |
| 12:51.14 | SpeedEvil | basically, yes. |
| 12:51.17 | SpeedEvil | For the moment. |
| 12:51.25 | SpeedEvil | There has been no news on when the new batch will be. |
| 12:52.50 | daxxar | I was told by sales it would arrive 10-15th of august |
| 12:53.02 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 12:53.04 | Elrond | rumours say, that new batches are being produced... |
| 12:53.08 | daxxar | (but sales also told me that my Neo would be a part of the second batch; my Neo is currently in the hands of UPS) |
| 12:53.22 | SpeedEvil | The new batch _easily_ is covered by existing orders. |
| 12:53.29 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: sauce? |
| 12:53.32 | daxxar | "Your order should be proceed when the 2nd batch of shipment arrives FICA between 8/10-15." |
| 12:53.36 | SpeedEvil | If the new batch is 500 |
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| 12:54.36 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Huh... I don't remember exactly... |
| 12:54.46 | Elrond | ... that's why I declared it rumour. |
| 12:55.18 | SpeedEvil | I heard a rumor that the second batch was really GTA02. |
| 12:55.22 | SpeedEvil | I think it was in a dream :) |
| 12:55.54 | Elrond | I think, that's unlikely. I think, they still experiment with the HW. Didn't they already get to GTA02v2? |
| 12:56.09 | SpeedEvil | Prolly. |
| 12:56.13 | SpeedEvil | I think it's impossible. |
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| 13:04.11 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: I think there's some confusion about the "2nd batch". There's actually two "2nd batches": 1. first production run was divided up in 2 shipments bound for the US. Phones from the first are already being sent out via UPS and the second shipment is supposed to arrive in the US today. |
| 13:04.35 | Kensan | 2. meaning the next production run of phones. |
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| 13:05.15 | Kensan | AFAIK, the phones from the second production run is supposed to get to the US around 10-15th of august. |
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| 13:17.49 | phrozen77_ | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41400 <- ahaha |
| 13:17.52 | Elrond | Huh, the HH and gllin isn't as bad, as I though. I took the neo to work. It's 1.5m away from the window and found two sats from cold start within 30sec or so. |
| 13:19.30 | xzcvczx | Elrond: i am on 2nd floor of 7 floor poured concrete construction well away from the window and i got at least one satellite |
| 13:20.05 | Elrond | xzcvczx - ahh. Did you try a sirf3 next to the neo? |
| 13:20.19 | Elrond | ... I'll take the sirf3 thing to work soon, I think. |
| 13:20.26 | xzcvczx | Elrond: no dont have one of them |
| 13:21.09 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 13:21.34 | Elrond | Hmm, but it still didn't get the orbit of those two sats... |
| 13:22.05 | xzcvczx | Elrond: what you using to parse the data? |
| 13:23.08 | Elrond | xzcvczx - I'm mad enough to be able to read nmea from tail -f. ;o) |
| 13:23.35 | xzcvczx | oh yup |
| 13:23.40 | SpeedEvil | orbit? |
| 13:23.57 | SpeedEvil | You mean it wouldn't download the ephemridis? |
| 13:24.04 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Exactly. |
| 13:24.45 | Dmitry_Platonov | Elrond, did you see Tomtom GL vs Tomtom Sirf3 comparison? |
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| 13:25.17 | SpeedEvil | where? |
| 13:25.26 | SpeedEvil | ml? |
| 13:25.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | somewhere on the web. |
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| 13:25.51 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - No. What was the basic result? |
| 13:26.13 | happycube | i wonder if GL's affraid the protocol will get reverse engineered now |
| 13:26.26 | Elrond | Note that I start to possibly consider the HH a nice "resaerch platform". |
| 13:26.28 | Dmitry_Platonov | GL hammerhead slightly better |
| 13:26.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | less overshooting |
| 13:27.12 | Elrond | happycube - *I* am not going to wake them up. |
| 13:28.24 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it might be worth it. |
| 13:28.34 | SpeedEvil | There is no reason to specify you're even on the Neo. |
| 13:30.17 | happycube | yeah |
| 13:30.24 | Elrond | hehe. Yeah, there' are probably many other devices with it. |
| 13:30.30 | SpeedEvil | NMEA - or whatever. |
| 13:30.38 | SpeedEvil | Correcting past errors. |
| 13:30.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=216 |
| 13:30.55 | SpeedEvil | Doing best curve fitting after the fact. |
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| 13:32.31 | Rince | Hello Harald :) |
| 13:33.34 | Elrond | Hi LaF0rge |
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| 13:38.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | how power button is mapped in QEMU? |
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| 13:39.18 | Dmitry_Platonov | halt -p did the job :) |
| 13:41.32 | Elrond | "halt" works so much better on my device, that I even created a .desktop for it. ;) |
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| 13:42.42 | Kensan | Dmitry_Platonov: can't you get the keycode from xev? |
| 13:43.03 | SpeedEvil | buttons are not keyboard buttons |
| 13:43.11 | SpeedEvil | they do not appear in the normal keyboard interfaces. |
| 13:44.14 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: so it does not trigger an X event? |
| 13:45.18 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 13:45.29 | SpeedEvil | Unless there has been an extension done, so it can do so. |
| 13:46.08 | Elrond | The panel-plugin has button functionality. But I haven't looked, how it hooks to the buttons. |
| 13:46.25 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, I mean QEMU can trigger hardware event on keypress? |
| 13:47.01 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 13:47.21 | SpeedEvil | Now, that I don't know. |
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| 13:48.57 | xzcvczx | how do you add dns servers to the moko for usb networking? |
| 13:50.22 | hrw | normally |
| 13:50.26 | hrw | in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:51.00 | xzcvczx | hrw: yeah thats what i thought |
| 13:51.56 | Dmitry_Platonov | anybody tried fresh openmoko-today2? |
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| 13:52.18 | Elrond | No. |
| 13:52.38 | hrw | Dmitry_Platonov: fresh as 'built today'? |
| 13:52.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | fresh=with kinetic scrolling :) |
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| 13:53.46 | hrw | ah... you mean 'anybody tried openmoko-today2?' then |
| 13:54.02 | hrw | Dmitry_Platonov: I used it 2-3 weeks ago |
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| 13:54.18 | xzcvczx | Dmitry_Platonov: what gcc are you using to build openmoko-devel-image? |
| 13:54.33 | hrw | xzcvczx: gcc 4.1.x will work |
| 13:55.28 | xzcvczx | hrw: i have had numerous issues of stuff not being built correctly and coming out as textfiles instead of objects |
| 13:55.35 | Dmitry_Platonov | i.e. today2 === kinetic scrolling? |
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| 13:56.00 | hrw | xzcvczx: we use gcc 4.1.x for quite long time |
| 13:56.42 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, host gcc 4.2; gcc 3.4.6 for qemu |
| 13:56.58 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/4.2/4.2.0/ |
| 13:57.24 | xzcvczx | hmmm ok |
| 13:58.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | and host boost & monotone are built with gcc 4.1.2 because boost (or some deps) does not builds with 4.2.0 for me. |
| 13:59.21 | xzcvczx | i had to rebuild monotone with 3.4.6 for qemu to work for me |
| 14:00.10 | Elrond | $GPGSV,1,1,01,17,,,19*76 |
| 14:00.21 | Elrond | ... for five minutes... and no ephemeris. :-| |
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| 14:02.14 | Dmitry_Platonov | Elrond, how do you know there are no ephemeris? does NMEA outputs em? |
| 14:02.37 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - nmea outputs the "current orbit position". |
| 14:02.56 | Elrond | $GPGSV,1,1,01,17,<here>,<and here>,19*76 |
| 14:03.35 | Elrond | Ahh, finally it lost that one satelite. |
| 14:03.41 | Elrond | Now NO sats at all. |
| 14:04.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | are you sure that it will output GPGSV without fix? |
| 14:04.59 | Elrond | It seems so. |
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| 14:10.06 | calamous1_ | Well, I'm talking with at&t to see if I can get a new sim card that works |
| 14:10.12 | calamous1_ | or a refund for my prepaid plan |
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| 14:13.54 | mokobot | Please don't let this man torture me. |
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| 14:25.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
| 14:30.01 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2608 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkcheckbutton: |
| 14:30.01 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * Apply check drawing to all widgets, so that other widgets can draw the correct |
| 14:30.01 | CIA-24 | openmoko: checkitems (e.g. GtkTreeView, GtkCheckMenuItem) |
| 14:31.55 | Dmitry_Platonov | hrw, is there an easy way for switching to OM-2007.2 (I'm using mokomakefile)? |
| 14:32.29 | hrw | no |
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| 14:37.29 | mintee | so is the second set ever going to ship out? |
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| 14:38.10 | happycube | i think you need to manage to build angstrom and then add the openmoko2 packages |
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| 14:44.01 | xzcvczx | Dmitry_Platonov: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 may help |
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| 14:46.04 | rschuster | Dmitry_Platonov: building the image isnt much more difficult as with mokomakefile |
| 14:46.35 | rschuster | Dmitry_Platonov: hwowever you lose the possibility to flash it automatically into the qemu image |
| 14:47.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | thanks xzcvczx, rschuster |
| 14:47.18 | rschuster | Dmitry_Platonov: perhaps a bit of tweaking the makefile helps here (let it look into a different directory) |
| 14:47.50 | rschuster | Dmitry_Platonov: I am playing with OM 2007.2 too. If I find out usefull things I will update the wiki page above |
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| 14:59.00 | mintee | any new news from WIlliam Lai about the shipping. He told me this week for sure, but I'm starting to have my doubts |
| 15:00.44 | Kensan | mintee: I got a mail from him yesterday, saying the phones would arrive in the US "within 24 hrs". |
| 15:04.18 | mintee | Kensan, thanks... So I assume it will be pushed to mid-next week then. |
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| 15:05.23 | pudelfish | Just to inform you: payment confirmation on #2686 YEEHAAAAA! |
| 15:05.26 | happycube | woot! |
| 15:05.37 | lSpeedEvi | :) |
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| 15:07.53 | freskog | ˙˙j |
| 15:08.00 | freskog | whoops |
| 15:10.47 | jgm | Is there something 'special' about the USB cable that ships with the Neo, or is it just a normal cable and I don't have to worry about losing it in the multitude of USB cables that I already own? |
| 15:10.50 | lSpeedEvi | The battery in the neo is 'dumb' - with just a thermistor? |
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| 15:14.03 | denis^da | Could someone screenshot the OpenMoko2007.2 UI so that I can update the UI section in the wiki which is not up to date after the theme has changed |
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| 15:23.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2609 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 15:23.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-02 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 15:23.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call): |
| 15:23.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Double check for incoming status as new tabs keep appearing. |
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| 15:24.18 | smash_ | hello everyone. |
| 15:24.55 | smash_ | hello i wish to buy an openmoko. can any one help me? |
| 15:24.56 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 15:25.08 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, mokomakefile && OM2007.2 ... ? |
| 15:25.17 | smash_ | is the shipping started? |
| 15:25.37 | smash_ | i have heard that it is being delayed. |
| 15:25.38 | FuzzyCat | smash_, it;s a developer preview - you do know that, right ? |
| 15:25.39 | woglinde | smash yes |
| 15:25.40 | abraxa_ | smash_: Visit openmoko.com |
| 15:25.49 | woglinde | smash wait or october |
| 15:25.52 | woglinde | for |
| 15:25.54 | FuzzyCat | you can buy at openmokko.com |
| 15:26.09 | FuzzyCat | s/openmokko.com/openmoko.com |
| 15:26.15 | FuzzyCat | s/openmokko.com/openmoko.com/ |
| 15:26.19 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 15:26.43 | smash_ | is the shipping started? if it register there when will i get it? |
| 15:27.05 | ozarka | They are behind on filling orders. |
| 15:27.11 | smash_ | have anybody got it? |
| 15:27.12 | hena | i'll wait for the free version ;) |
| 15:27.13 | woglinde | smash are you developer or user? |
| 15:27.27 | woglinde | hena what free version? |
| 15:27.38 | smash_ | wonglinde: developer |
| 15:27.46 | woglinde | or you mean with free all components free? |
| 15:27.47 | ozarka | You can see who has ordered and who has received here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 15:27.59 | woglinde | smash www.openmoko.com |
| 15:28.14 | woglinde | smash and if you lucky you will get one from the second charge |
| 15:28.16 | smash_ | but i heard that it is being delayed alot |
| 15:28.31 | hena | a free phone, kind of disappointed in this one |
| 15:28.31 | smash_ | second charge? |
| 15:28.49 | SiO2 | how much was in the first charge? |
| 15:28.58 | FuzzyCat | about half |
| 15:29.08 | ozarka | smash_: Everything is delayed and there isn't much communication from openmoko.com after you place your order. |
| 15:29.09 | FuzzyCat | all b/s ones not w/o |
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| 15:29.22 | woglinde | si02 500 |
| 15:29.25 | woglinde | or so |
| 15:29.36 | smash_ | ozarko: thats what I was asking abt. |
| 15:29.47 | ozarka | So if you do order, expect a delay. |
| 15:29.53 | SiO2 | sounds not so bad. a lot of developers there |
| 15:30.12 | smash_ | any expected time for delay? |
| 15:30.24 | FuzzyCat | it took nearly a month |
| 15:30.36 | ozarka | Rumor has it that more will be coming in a few weeks. |
| 15:30.37 | FuzzyCat | well, ok... 3 weeks 3 days |
| 15:30.48 | ozarka | Orange ones are supposed to ship this week. |
| 15:31.01 | smash_ | or should I wait to order (ie after others start getting) |
| 15:31.20 | ozarka | It's a very frustrating process. You can ask questions and you can read the wiki, |
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| 15:31.50 | ozarka | but the fact is, if you order now, no one can say when you'll get it. |
| 15:31.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2610 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 15:31.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-02 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 15:31.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call), (on_pin_requested), |
| 15:31.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 15:31.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Correct the debugging statements, add more to the incoming code path. |
| 15:32.53 | FuzzyCat | smash_, we have no idea if if all the ones they made have been sold or not.. but there was a rumour that buld time per batch was about 6 weeks... but then we have no idea if/when they started building more... |
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| 15:33.26 | FuzzyCat | we /could/ assume that since they're still availalbe to buy you can get one... |
| 15:33.42 | FuzzyCat | but nobody knows.. tiddley pom |
| 15:33.51 | Kryczek | hi! |
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| 15:34.48 | smash_ | all those in the above link actually got it? Then its a hopeful thing. |
| 15:35.12 | smash_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 15:35.13 | mrface | when do we get gllin :( |
| 15:35.18 | daMaestro | Psi_, !! |
| 15:35.33 | daMaestro | Psi_, see above commit for on_pin_requested ;-) |
| 15:35.44 | rschuster | smash_: only those that have an entry in the last column |
| 15:35.57 | ozarka | smash_: I ordered on 12 July, and have received no update on when I can expect a shipment. |
| 15:36.04 | Kryczek | sorry to bother you, I have a quick question about the GSM part of OpenMoko :) I suppose it's handled by GSMd, but I'd like to be sure before buying the phone: does GSMd handle the A5 encryption? |
| 15:36.05 | aloril | Kryczek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:36.12 | rschuster | smash_: and a few more who have not entered themselves in this list |
| 15:36.18 | Kryczek | meaning A5/1, A5/2 etc |
| 15:36.35 | daMaestro | ozamosi, the people with actual phones ordered minutes after the store opened; trust me, we all had issues actually getting our phones |
| 15:36.42 | ozarka | So put in your order, but expect a frustrating process. |
| 15:37.09 | mrface | daMaestro is right |
| 15:37.11 | ozarka | Oh, and if you're not in the US, it might take even longer. |
| 15:37.20 | woglinde | Kryczek you can look at the source code |
| 15:37.34 | woglinde | but at the actual state this is not implemented |
| 15:37.46 | Kryczek | sorry, my question was vague |
| 15:37.52 | Kryczek | (i'm not a native english speaker) |
| 15:38.10 | smash_ | ozarka: ok |
| 15:38.14 | Kryczek | woglinde: you're saying indeed that right now it is not implemented, but, *could* it be implemented? |
| 15:38.22 | Kryczek | or the hardware doesnt allow for it? |
| 15:38.27 | Kryczek | as I met on another linux-based phone |
| 15:38.29 | woglinde | kryczeck oh |
| 15:38.44 | woglinde | hm okay now understand your question |
| 15:38.48 | Kryczek | that other phone had the GSM part as a totally separate system |
| 15:38.56 | woglinde | kryczeck please look at the wikiside |
| 15:39.11 | woglinde | there is the version of the ti- gsm-module mentioned |
| 15:39.17 | woglinde | maybee you can google the spec |
| 15:39.25 | Kryczek | woglinde: I did ofc before asking ;) |
| 15:39.28 | Kryczek | found "ciphering indication state" |
| 15:39.33 | Kryczek | but no mention of A5 |
| 15:39.52 | Kryczek | ok, i guess i'll do that as a last recourse.. |
| 15:40.01 | Kryczek | i was hoping maybe a developer would know already :) |
| 15:40.03 | Kryczek | thx |
| 15:40.23 | woglinde | Kryczek hm than better you write at the mailing list neo1973-hardware |
| 15:40.27 | woglinde | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 15:40.47 | woglinde | so your questions isnt lost |
| 15:41.39 | Kryczek | ok, I will this week-end :) |
| 15:41.44 | Kryczek | thx woglinde |
| 15:41.50 | daMaestro | anyone know what the recommended rootfs and kernel image (uImage) is? |
| 15:42.04 | daMaestro | july 28+ just is not working well for me |
| 15:42.24 | daMaestro | the look much, much better... but are not functioning as well |
| 15:43.32 | mrface | wish I knew |
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| 15:47.36 | jgm | daMaestro: I just built my own, figured it was easier |
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| 15:48.00 | jgm | I suspect that you aren't going to have anything resembling a stable build for quite a while yet so may as well go cutting-edge |
| 15:48.04 | Writchie | Kryczek: A5 encyption is handled in chipset firmware and not exposed on the neo |
| 15:48.31 | daMaestro | jgm, 1) is your sound card recognized? 2) does dialer start? 3) did you use mokomakefile? |
| 15:48.31 | woglinde | writchie ah good to know |
| 15:49.06 | daMaestro | i really like the new menus.. the images are a nice touch and being able to open the menu with a finger action is nice |
| 15:49.44 | daMaestro | being able to activate/deactivate the gsm modem is nice; but dialer wont even start for me with these images... and boot up is just nasty |
| 15:49.53 | Kryczek | Writchie: woglinde: I just found this in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM02.07#1.26_Ciphering_Indicator and that's already great for me :) |
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| 15:54.46 | SpeedEvil | UK: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-as-you-go/all/1/ - the page is confusing. It says 'free web browsing' and then below it 'when bought with 10 pound top-up. |
| 15:55.02 | SpeedEvil | But I can't seem to find any mention in the T&Cs. |
| 15:55.26 | jgm | daMaestro: 1) yes (at least I can play an mp3 through it) 2) Yes (although I haven't tested dialing) 3) yes |
| 15:56.05 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, look at no plan be the flex plan |
| 15:56.21 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, it just came out 4 days ago |
| 15:56.54 | SpeedEvil | You mean flext? |
| 15:57.35 | daMaestro | hmm looking at the uk site.. that seems to be what it's called |
| 15:57.44 | daMaestro | over here in the US they are non-contract plans |
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| 15:58.17 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that's not what I'm asking. PAYG - the UK term is what I'm going for - contract doesn't make sense for me. |
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| 15:59.46 | SpeedEvil | It however mentions free web browsing if you buy a phone and top it up by 10 pounds - but it does not specify any other details. |
| 16:01.14 | SpeedEvil | Contract isn't an option for me ATM - bad credit, and little cash. |
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| 16:12.40 | fro1 | where can I find the u-boot images for the "qemuarm" target ? |
| 16:12.40 | aloril | fro1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 16:12.48 | mrface | are the irc logs hosted anywhere? |
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| 16:12.58 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
| 16:13.25 | daMaestro | fro1, they should be provided by the openmoko/download.sh script |
| 16:15.19 | Kero | what s*cks most, the UPS guy with my Neo was at my appartment, but of course I was at work... |
| 16:16.04 | fro1 | daMaestro: thanks |
| 16:16.43 | mrface | I can't find the logs, are we not logging IRC? |
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| 16:16.59 | SpeedEvil | There are logs. |
| 16:17.50 | mrface | oh cool |
| 16:17.56 | daMaestro | i log, but am not always online |
| 16:18.12 | Sup3rkiddo | Kero, you didnt add information regarding when you will be in your den? |
| 16:18.35 | mrface | how do you log, is there a / command? |
| 16:18.43 | daMaestro | what client? |
| 16:18.48 | mrface | irssi |
| 16:18.52 | daMaestro | i dunno |
| 16:19.22 | mbuf | can any GTK 2.0 widgets be used with OpenMoko, or only the ones included in the package be used? |
| 16:19.32 | mrface | they block it at work so I have to ssh and do it in a shell |
| 16:19.45 | mrface | it would be easy if I was using pidgin |
| 16:20.01 | pjz | is there a streaming mp4 viewer in openmoko yet? |
| 16:20.12 | mrface | i thought it might be a standard irc command, I guess I need to look at irssi docs |
| 16:20.27 | daMaestro | pjz, i doubt it |
| 16:20.46 | SpeedEvil | pjz: no. |
| 16:20.48 | SpeedEvil | Not core. |
| 16:20.52 | daMaestro | pjz, the current media player is based on gstreamer (which you can add a plugin to) |
| 16:20.52 | SpeedEvil | mplayer will work. |
| 16:20.56 | SpeedEvil | To a limited extent. |
| 16:21.08 | daMaestro | gstreamer has mp4 support? i thought it did |
| 16:21.14 | daMaestro | with the non-Free plugins |
| 16:21.25 | pjz | I've got a webcam-as-babymonitor that I'd like to be able to point it at eventually :) |
| 16:21.33 | mrface | apparently irssi auto logs |
| 16:21.36 | pjz | mjpeg would be good too |
| 16:21.42 | Kero | Sup3rkiddo: add info where? |
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| 16:22.11 | thomasg | is it possible to shut down X on the neo? e.g. over ssh |
| 16:22.31 | Sup3rkiddo | Kero, you know when filling out the form, i think i remember a field for additional information |
| 16:23.19 | ewon | thomasg: killall :) |
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| 16:23.24 | Kero | Sup3rkiddo: I didn't know Jul 9 when I'd be available or not. |
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| 16:23.33 | fro1 | wow, setting up OE looks like a mess, I just wanted the u-boot images, damnit |
| 16:23.37 | Kero | Sup3rkiddo: last week would have been easy, since my pair programming partner was on holiday |
| 16:23.37 | thomasg | ewon, whats the name of the X processS? :) |
| 16:23.46 | Kero | Sup3rkiddo: this week is nearly impossible. |
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| 16:24.02 | Sup3rkiddo | Kero, tough luck mate....happy hacking when it arrives |
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| 16:25.12 | mbuf | thomasg, matchbox? |
| 16:25.30 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, |
| 16:25.55 | mbuf | Sup3rkiddo, yes |
| 16:26.11 | thomasg | mbuf, yes, that works, thx |
| 16:26.30 | FuzzyCat | kero, you could get it delivery to my place.. but you're in den haag? |
| 16:26.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Talk:OpenMoko2007.2]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] |
| 16:26.36 | mbuf | thomasg, check /etc/matchbox/session |
| 16:27.14 | Sup3rkiddo | FuzzyCat == ScaredyCat? |
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| 16:27.57 | Kero | FuzzyCat: eindhoven |
| 16:28.18 | Kero | FuzzyCat: I have an 0800 number that I'll try now ;) |
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| 16:29.10 | fro1 | MokoMakeFile uses the "-M" neo target for qemu, but the wiki sez it's possible to use the default Integrator target, how do I do that ? |
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| 16:29.37 | mokobot | Hallelujah! |
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| 16:31.06 | mbuf | fro1, from the documentation setting MACHINE=qemuarm will do that |
| 16:33.53 | fro1 | mbuf: yes, but there's no reference to qemuarm in the makefile, sounds fishy... |
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| 16:43.00 | mbuf | thomasg, also check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Window_Manager_Startup |
| 16:43.19 | Writchie | thomasg: killall xinit |
| 16:43.27 | Writchie | will shut down complete x server |
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| 17:04.07 | cyphi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.17 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
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| 17:10.00 | rschuster | which patches in packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb are still needed for SVN head version of the library? applying them fails currently. (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Build_issues) |
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| 17:13.16 | xkr47 | cyphi, et laittais salasanoja irssii :) |
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| 17:20.00 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone know of a nice compressing differential dictionary web compressor? Basically keep local copy of large numbers of pages, and if you go to ebay.co.uk, you only get sent the diff since you last hit it. |
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| 17:21.36 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, are you the one working on multilingual online dictionary project? |
| 17:21.42 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 17:25.36 | malsyne1 | I'm watching these YouTube "Sneak Preview!" videos from mokoNinja, and it looks like they've replaced all of the thumb-wheel widgets with kinetic scrolling. Is that for real and planned for the final product, or just a research thing? |
| 17:25.36 | aloril | malsyne1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:26.11 | don-o | malsyne1: ive heard its the forth-coming UI. n |
| 17:26.31 | malsyne1 | sweet. |
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| 17:28.45 | mbuf | malsyne1, link? |
| 17:29.03 | don-o | mbuf: all the mojoNinja videos are here http://youtube.com/user/mokoNinja |
| 17:29.22 | mbuf | don-o, ok, thanks |
| 17:30.53 | malsyne1 | http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=mokoNinja&p=are |
| 17:30.55 | malsyne1 | oops |
| 17:31.23 | malsyne1 | that final "are" should just be the letter "r". Gaim's auto-replace was a little overeager. |
| 17:33.20 | mbuf | i like to use the screen in landscape mode |
| 17:35.41 | Kensan | rschuster: did you review the commit-log? LaF0rge did post to the gsmd-ML saying he merged "a couple of the more obvious patches". (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-July/000160.html) |
| 17:38.06 | Kensan | rschuster: as a workaround you could try pinning the gsm-package to svn rev 2575. |
| 17:40.30 | thomasg | | checking for WEBKITGTK... Package WebKitGdk was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 17:40.40 | thomasg | what is the needed epkg-config-path for webkitgtk? |
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| 17:41.54 | codyl | If my credit was finally charged..does that mean they actually have a phone for me now ? |
| 17:42.19 | mwester | It could just mean that they were short on lunch money today... |
| 17:42.37 | codyl | that was my feeling :-P |
| 17:45.25 | daMaestro | codyl, after it was charged it was about 3 days before i got my shipment notification |
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| 17:47.03 | codyl | daMaestro, heh thanks |
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| 17:52.33 | daMaestro | hmm 2388 doesn't seem too stable |
| 17:52.49 | daMaestro | i'm going back to 2350 |
| 17:54.13 | thomasg | http://gstaedtner.net/bilder/neo1973/dsc02300.jpg |
| 17:54.27 | thomasg | (no modem/isdn/umts/gprs users please ^^) |
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| 17:58.59 | ynezz | grr :) |
| 17:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 679 has been created by abraxa(AT)dar-clan.de |
| 17:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * Some 2007.2 theme icons misnamed |
| 17:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679 |
| 18:01.00 | SrRaven | lol |
| 18:01.19 | SrRaven | I wish the openmoko would have a more professional look to it ;( |
| 18:01.23 | SrRaven | or rather the ne01973 |
| 18:01.31 | ashnazg | codyl: dude, reroute it to me, and I'll have 'em send you mine if/when it ships ;) |
| 18:01.41 | mwester | You don't like the pool-toy look? :D |
| 18:01.48 | SrRaven | noooooo |
| 18:02.06 | codyl | looks more durable than an Apple product! |
| 18:02.08 | ozarka | codyl: Just go down and get it. |
| 18:02.08 | mwester | Actually, the black/white color scheme is much better than the orange, IMO |
| 18:02.12 | SrRaven | no it doesnt |
| 18:02.21 | SrRaven | iphone looks like you dont wanna drop it |
| 18:02.34 | SrRaven | neo looks like you wanna throw it into a sandbox and build it a house |
| 18:02.44 | ashnazg | I picked an orange one, thinking I'd probably also buy a black v2 one later |
| 18:03.03 | codyl | ozarka, anyone know the actual openmoko contact here in the baby area ? |
| 18:03.17 | ozarka | I ordered an orange one too. |
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| 18:04.01 | ozarka | codyl: I'm sure it's a secret location. No one wants geeks with pitchforks in their parking lot. |
| 18:04.22 | ozarka | Professional looking phones are for bankers. |
| 18:04.34 | mwester | Would we really resort to pitchforks? Or just angry words about sim cards and shipping? |
| 18:04.37 | SrRaven | bankers get shitload of money,how is that bad |
| 18:04.38 | codyl | 5020 Brandin Ct, Fremont |
| 18:04.54 | idarwin | ooh, the secret is out |
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| 18:05.10 | codyl | (right off of 880) |
| 18:05.18 | ashnazg | I was picturing hordes in brown robes, brandishing authentic light sabres from Sharper Image... |
| 18:05.24 | ozarka | You have your mission, codyl. |
| 18:05.28 | codyl | LOL |
| 18:05.29 | mwester | phhhhtttt!!! hehe! |
| 18:05.51 | ashnazg | though I'd choose to use two of my kids' plastic ones myself ;) |
| 18:05.52 | ozarka | I would go, but it's too dangerous to cross west Texas this time of year. |
| 18:05.55 | codyl | probably get defeated by the front desk before I reached anyone of importance |
| 18:06.34 | daMaestro | are most people building with mokomakefile? |
| 18:06.40 | daMaestro | and not flashing from buildhost? |
| 18:07.20 | idarwin | I just flashed from buildhost to get started. |
| 18:07.42 | daMaestro | yeah, same here... but so far most of the images are flaky |
| 18:07.56 | daMaestro | each one has it's own special quark, and cool feature |
| 18:07.57 | daMaestro | lol |
| 18:08.26 | idarwin | true. YOu'd have to follow SVN to know what quirks are where. |
| 18:08.37 | ashnazg | obvious question that's probably asked/answered in my absences... is the phone making calls for anyone, given a working SIM? |
| 18:08.41 | daMaestro | the one i'm using now has a lot ui fixes, but as an example, refuses to shut down |
| 18:08.59 | daMaestro | ashnazg, i've not gotten audio to work... but i can send and take calls, yes |
| 18:09.25 | ashnazg | daMaestro: as in, can't speak, can't hear, but phone call connects? |
| 18:09.38 | mbuf | daMaestro, multiple times? |
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| 18:10.09 | daMaestro | ashnazg, yes |
| 18:10.14 | daMaestro | mbuf, ? |
| 18:10.41 | ashnazg | daMaestro: good deal... I'm guessing the audio will prove easier to sort out than calling would have been... |
| 18:11.38 | daMaestro | yeah, gsmd still needs a lot of work |
| 18:11.45 | daMaestro | but it is actually ""working"" |
| 18:12.01 | codyl | Why isn't using DBus..sigh.. |
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| 18:12.07 | mbuf | daMaestro, without gsm crashing? |
| 18:12.17 | daMaestro | i think gsmd talks to the ui via dbux, codyl |
| 18:12.24 | daMaestro | mbuf, off and on it will crash |
| 18:12.37 | codyl | then they've fixed it..I'll have to look at the code again |
| 18:12.48 | codyl | so you are getting an actual "incoming call" dialog or something? |
| 18:13.00 | daMaestro | yea |
| 18:13.06 | codyl | cool |
| 18:13.07 | codyl | :-) |
| 18:13.13 | daMaestro | iirc it had caller id too ;-) |
| 18:13.19 | codyl | Nice |
| 18:13.19 | daMaestro | maybe not.. maybe that was the shell |
| 18:13.27 | balrog-kun | no, dbus is not used atm afaik |
| 18:13.38 | daMaestro | meh, i might be wrong |
| 18:13.39 | codyl | well soon you might even be able answer the call! |
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| 18:13.44 | daMaestro | i know the goal is to use dbus |
| 18:13.48 | balrog-kun | yeah |
| 18:13.57 | daMaestro | codyl, i can answer the call |
| 18:14.02 | daMaestro | codyl, just not hear it or talk to it |
| 18:14.03 | daMaestro | lol |
| 18:14.04 | codyl | and hear someone talking..? |
| 18:14.06 | codyl | ya lol |
| 18:15.03 | daMaestro | i really need to setup the build system |
| 18:15.09 | daMaestro | so i can learn how to use and then package it |
| 18:15.27 | daMaestro | so far all the bits i've used for OM i've packaged |
| 18:15.40 | daMaestro | but i just don't know enough about what goes into a build to make it a package |
| 18:16.06 | codyl | .ipkg are easy to make |
| 18:16.20 | daMaestro | good to hear |
| 18:16.25 | daMaestro | i'm talking about rpm packaging |
| 18:16.40 | daMaestro | i want to get prboom packaged for the neo |
| 18:16.42 | codyl | on your own there |
| 18:16.52 | daMaestro | i know how to package rpm |
| 18:17.30 | raynet | hoo, i just realized, i can finally have a good screensaver on my phone. gonna port the Galaxy screensaver from xlockmore |
| 18:17.45 | raynet | it might be cpu and battery expensive but it is worth it |
| 18:19.16 | woglinde | my only screensaver will be screen and backlights off |
| 18:20.11 | happycube | ditto |
| 18:20.31 | happycube | oh i have cpufreq running a tiny bit - sets the clocks to 200mhz at boot and the serial port's scrambled for a while and then settles |
| 18:20.48 | happycube | i don't have it trying to boot off nand yet - that didn't work last time i tried even at 266 |
| 18:21.01 | raynet | what is the maximum clock? |
| 18:21.08 | woglinde | 266 |
| 18:21.09 | daMaestro | does anyone know if it is easier to build on x86_64 or x86? |
| 18:21.18 | woglinde | x86 |
| 18:21.25 | raynet | woglinde: that sounds plenty enough for just about anything |
| 18:21.36 | woglinde | raynet wait for gta02 |
| 18:21.45 | raynet | woglinde: waiting for my gta01 :) |
| 18:22.03 | raynet | it is now in sweden in transit to finland, but still they say it will take 4 days more |
| 18:22.25 | woglinde | raynet they are transporting with elch? |
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| 18:22.54 | raynet | woglinde: with snails i think |
| 18:22.56 | woglinde | hm let me find the english word for rentier |
| 18:23.03 | raynet | reindeer? |
| 18:23.05 | raynet | elk? |
| 18:23.06 | raynet | moose? |
| 18:23.22 | woglinde | ah |
| 18:23.24 | ozarka | Ice impala? |
| 18:23.25 | woglinde | reindeer |
| 18:23.29 | woglinde | okay |
| 18:24.03 | raynet | here at Assembly'07 computer festival i was just in a seminar about IMGUIs (immediate mode) and that is something i like to test on neo too |
| 18:24.35 | raynet | might be too cpu intensive for any complex use, but would work for simple guis like games |
| 18:24.35 | woglinde | whats so special? |
| 18:25.03 | raynet | woglinde: here is the material from that seminar http://sol.gfxile.net/imgui/index.html |
| 18:25.20 | thomasg | hm, a german news-magazine (online) reported about poky linux, a OE- and gtk-based linuxplatform for mobile devices with support for nokia-n800 and fic neo gta01 -.- |
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| 18:26.28 | noon | hello |
| 18:26.48 | raynet | hulo |
| 18:26.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 18:27.10 | woglinde | reindeer hopefully I will remeber this |
| 18:27.13 | ashnazg | wish I'd made that change :( |
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| 18:28.37 | noon | pH5: could you please invite me to the #. i forgot the name... |
| 18:28.39 | raynet | what is the guestimate for gta02? |
| 18:28.49 | raynet | this year? |
| 18:28.50 | raynet | next? |
| 18:28.51 | woglinde | yes |
| 18:28.57 | woglinde | october |
| 18:29.06 | woglinde | but I belevie it will be later |
| 18:29.09 | raynet | so i'll get one for xmas |
| 18:29.22 | raynet | atleast then the UPS reindeer mail will work |
| 18:31.21 | raynet | well, if GTA02 comes this year, by 2008 Q2 we might have a very impressive phone |
| 18:32.03 | ashnazg | hmmm, just saw the "supported phones" page lists the Treo 650... might have to give that a go while I wait for my gta1... |
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| 18:32.15 | rschuster | Kensan: thanks for the hint. will update that later |
| 18:32.59 | rschuster | Kensan: openmoko-libs doesnt compile right now. so, new problem ... probably I should just wait until things have stabilized a bit ... |
| 18:34.22 | woglinde | hi rschuster |
| 18:34.37 | woglinde | rschuster I will review your patches later |
| 18:35.15 | rschuster | woglinde: thanks. I already found a problem :| ... |
| 18:35.32 | rschuster | woglinde: add libtst to the dependencies of classpath |
| 18:35.42 | rschuster | woglinde: I mean libxtst |
| 18:35.43 | woglinde | libtst? |
| 18:35.46 | woglinde | oh |
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| 18:40.24 | daMaestro | i'm getting a lot of jffs2 errors |
| 18:40.49 | daMaestro | with all but the /latests images from build host |
| 18:41.27 | woglinde | maestro on the mmc or on host flash? |
| 18:41.52 | daMaestro | on the neo |
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| 18:42.11 | woglinde | not good |
| 18:42.13 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:42.23 | woglinde | you could try to erase rootfs first |
| 18:42.27 | woglinde | and flash again |
| 18:42.41 | daMaestro | how do i erase it? |
| 18:42.45 | woglinde | hm in uboot |
| 18:42.55 | woglinde | I think it is in the wiki somewhere |
| 18:43.08 | daMaestro | oh, the "factory default"? |
| 18:43.10 | woglinde | but be aware not to clean up the flase nand |
| 18:43.14 | woglinde | hm no |
| 18:43.21 | woglinde | nand erase or seimilar |
| 18:43.21 | thomasg | woglinde, have a new problem: | No package 'WebKitGdk' found |
| 18:43.33 | woglinde | thomasg *sigh* |
| 18:43.50 | thomasg | hehe |
| 18:44.08 | daMaestro | woglinde, do you have a recommendation on what kernel and rootfs to try? |
| 18:44.27 | woglinde | damaestro not really depends what you want |
| 18:44.47 | woglinde | the latest with the old guy around 4.7 has nonworking gmsd |
| 18:44.49 | daMaestro | there is no nand erase in uboot |
| 18:44.50 | woglinde | gsmd |
| 18:45.13 | daMaestro | closest i see is factory reset |
| 18:45.17 | woglinde | damaestro you nee to get uboot in a shell |
| 18:45.23 | woglinde | not the bootmenu |
| 18:45.48 | daMaestro | i don't have a jtag board.. do i need one? |
| 18:45.55 | woglinde | no you dont |
| 18:46.11 | woglinde | switch to seriell console support |
| 18:46.23 | woglinde | and start your favorit terminal program |
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| 18:47.14 | Kensan | rschuster: it seems that LaF0rge will take a look at the gsm-patches over the weekend. |
| 18:48.14 | woglinde | daemaestro |
| 18:48.16 | woglinde | -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 18:48.21 | rschuster | Kensan: ok |
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| 18:48.52 | woglinde | do minicom /dev/ttyACM0, then nand erase clean rootfs |
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| 18:49.53 | Kensan | rschuster: Are most of your problems endian-related? |
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| 19:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I just noticed that MokoMakeFile has the same initials as Master Mind Flayer. |
| 19:02.30 | Writchie | or Make My F'in day |
| 19:02.58 | ashnazg | Mail My Fscking phone... ? |
| 19:03.20 | Elrond | mjr - Did you file a bug on your sdcard IO errors? |
| 19:07.37 | thomasg | MokoMakefile tells me: | No package 'WebKitGdk' found| Perhaps you should add the directory containing `WebKitGdk.pc' |
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| 19:07.53 | thomasg | the problem: there is no such file on my HD |
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| 19:17.11 | Kensan | thomasg: when did you last update? It seems like bug #671. |
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| 19:25.57 | PBeck | guten abend |
| 19:26.07 | PBeck | good afternoon :) |
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| 19:29.09 | juri_ | ohayou gozaimasu :) |
| 19:31.51 | raynet | konbanwa |
| 19:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Odd. http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-as-you-go/all/1/ - does IE or something else than FF 1.5 show "free web browsing for 10 days" not just "free web browsing" at the top? |
| 19:33.57 | SpeedEvil | It seems to be ignoring <em> |
| 19:34.51 | Stephmw | no IE, but epiphany also shows the 10 days |
| 19:35.03 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: seems so. Opera also shows the 10 days. |
| 19:35.04 | ashnazg | FF 2.0.0.6: I only see "Free web browsing", but highlight/copy/paste shows "Free web browsing for 10 days" |
| 19:35.33 | Stephmw | FF 2.0.0.5, linux, I see the 10 days without highlighting |
| 19:35.52 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 19:36.06 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 19:36.17 | ashnazg | · Free web browsing <em>for 10 days</em><br /></h2> |
| 19:36.17 | SpeedEvil | Seems I've got 10 days to try web-stuff on my new SIM. |
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| 19:37.08 | ashnazg | hehe.. this is commented out right below it: <li><span class="highlight">Free 10 days web browsing</span></li> |
| 19:37.41 | mwester | Style-sheet problem? |
| 19:39.52 | ashnazg | Now, if I save the HTML locally, it shows up just fine... probably is CSS problem. |
| 19:40.35 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. I'm returning it if it doesn't have 'free web browsing' I diddn't see any limits :) |
| 19:40.40 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 19:40.53 | ashnazg | screen-print now... |
| 19:41.08 | ashnazg | before someone else complains and they fix it... |
| 19:42.42 | ashnazg | shows up properly in IE 6 |
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| 19:47.07 | RzR | hi |
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| 19:49.23 | RzR | can you give more detail on the GPU than on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware ? |
| 19:49.24 | aloril | RzR: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:49.54 | LarstiQ | RzR: afaik, the P1 'GPU' is just a framebuffer. |
| 19:50.03 | SpeedEvil | _slightly_ more. |
| 19:50.09 | SpeedEvil | It can do virtual screens. |
| 19:50.14 | SpeedEvil | But that's it. |
| 19:50.16 | RzR | +3D |
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| 19:50.21 | SpeedEvil | And colour pallette mode. |
| 19:50.29 | woglinde | no the 3d gpu comes with gta02 |
| 19:50.30 | LarstiQ | pfft, they'se newfangled "inventions" ;) |
| 19:50.36 | RzR | on upcoming version maybe |
| 19:50.39 | SpeedEvil | The new one is NDAd. |
| 19:50.59 | LarstiQ | SpeedEvil: yay pallette tricks \o/ |
| 19:51.10 | SpeedEvil | It actually doesn't make no sense. |
| 19:51.20 | SpeedEvil | It reduces memory bandwidth by 2/3 |
| 19:51.31 | SpeedEvil | which will save some 40mW of battery. |
| 19:51.53 | raynet | how many colors with palette mode? |
| 19:51.58 | SpeedEvil | 256 |
| 19:52.09 | SpeedEvil | It would need to be automated somehow. |
| 19:52.14 | LarstiQ | 16 is nostalgic, but a little painful nowadays. |
| 19:52.16 | raynet | that might work with many GUI screens |
| 19:52.29 | SpeedEvil | Especially with one window maximised all the time. |
| 19:52.31 | raynet | only photos/video etc would need more colors |
| 19:52.55 | LarstiQ | SpeedEvil: automatic changes of the entire pallete you mean? |
| 19:53.02 | SpeedEvil | Sort of. |
| 19:53.10 | LarstiQ | dithering is not the problem. |
| 19:53.11 | raynet | perhaps reserve 16-32 colors for the gui and rest for apps |
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| 19:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Basically something like fbvnc |
| 19:53.47 | SpeedEvil | with 256 colors, connected to the main X server. |
| 19:53.54 | SpeedEvil | and automated switching. |
| 19:54.00 | SpeedEvil | But - this is only for P1 hardware. |
| 19:54.06 | SpeedEvil | It's a modest amount of work. |
| 19:54.10 | raynet | doesn't 256 color X11 reserve X colors for system and then switch rest when you focus to a window? |
| 19:54.14 | raynet | i recall it worked like that |
| 19:54.24 | SpeedEvil | There are a couple of ways to set it up. |
| 19:54.37 | raynet | with fullscreen apps there is no problem |
| 19:57.43 | Elrond | In the ancient time, I used 256 color X11 a lot. It worked nicely. |
| 19:58.10 | raynet | Elrond: yup, just a small palette artefact when switching apps and X11 dithered the other apps with new colors |
| 19:58.22 | raynet | i still use 256 colors X11 with my Sun Ultra 1 |
| 19:59.18 | Elrond | Oh, and one could run apps in "own palette" mode, where they took over the whole palette and the window decorations looked scarry. |
| 19:59.43 | raynet | ah yes, i remember that |
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| 20:00.03 | Elrond | But it has all been done. So nothing really "new" there. |
| 20:00.24 | raynet | floyd-steinberd is our friend here |
| 20:00.27 | raynet | berg |
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| 20:00.33 | Elrond | Right. |
| 20:01.15 | raynet | 256 colors do make subpixel antialising kinda difficult in some cases |
| 20:01.21 | Elrond | Only problem: Some bad written apps do only work in 24/32bit mode. |
| 20:01.32 | SpeedEvil | subpixel antialiasing? |
| 20:01.36 | SpeedEvil | On a 300dpi screen? |
| 20:01.41 | raynet | SpeedEvil: sure |
| 20:01.42 | Elrond | raynet - We don't need antialiasing really. |
| 20:01.59 | SpeedEvil | I think only if you use it at 10cm or under. |
| 20:02.17 | raynet | how else i can run Irssi with 400x200 chars terminal? |
| 20:02.31 | Elrond | hehe. ;o) |
| 20:02.32 | SpeedEvil | virtual screen mode |
| 20:03.14 | raynet | in any case, text written with subpixel antialising does look better than without, no matter what dpi |
| 20:03.31 | SpeedEvil | Not over a certain DPI |
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| 20:04.08 | raynet | always |
| 20:04.30 | raynet | when using small fonts |
| 20:04.58 | SpeedEvil | You do not use small fonts. |
| 20:04.59 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 20:05.04 | hozer | with small fonts, I prefer clear lines and *no* antialiasing |
| 20:05.07 | SpeedEvil | 10*16 is about the rational limit for normal use. |
| 20:05.29 | raynet | 5x3 is good :) |
| 20:05.40 | hozer | 5x3 *bitmaped* |
| 20:05.51 | raynet | what else is there :) |
| 20:05.55 | hozer | none of this newfnangled antialising :P |
| 20:06.03 | SpeedEvil | 10*16 chars on the display, I mean. |
| 20:06.13 | Elrond | There was a bug on bugzilla about disabling antialiasing for fonts... I don't remember, what the guy said, how it looks. |
| 20:06.19 | Elrond | Anyway, I'm heading for food. |
| 20:06.23 | SpeedEvil | WAve. |
| 20:07.51 | raynet | food, what a good idea, gotta test the food here in Assembly |
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| 20:09.03 | raynet | reflow? those hotair recycle ovens? |
| 20:11.06 | raynet | SpeedEvil: google says yes? |
| 20:11.40 | raynet | mwester: urgh... nooooooooooooo |
| 20:12.15 | raynet | SpeedEvil: no, it is the biggest computer festival in skandinavia (i think) |
| 20:12.34 | raynet | though nowadays it seems to be more and more like lanparty |
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| 20:15.18 | SpeedEvil | Not that that's a bad thing. |
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| 20:21.21 | ckuethe | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070802-not-one-gphone-but-many-in-the-works-report.html |
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| 20:26.31 | aloril | (script) planet: Daniel Willmann: GUADEC recap http://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/08/02/guadec-recap |
| 20:26.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Risto]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Wiki_Issues]] [[Carriers/Rogers]] [[Carriers/Fido]] [[Carriers]] [[Carriers/ATT]] |
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| 20:48.04 | juri_ | my brain.. this code hurts my brain... |
| 20:48.08 | moko-bunny | hmmm...kinda quiet. Anyone know anything about PIN/PUK numbers and ATT Sims? |
| 20:48.38 | Arachnid | Bah, no movement on my package since 11AM yesterday :( |
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| 20:52.47 | moko-bunny | when you do AT+CPIN= do you put the PIN number in quotes? |
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| 20:53.29 | abraxa_ | moko-bunny: Looking at what people wrote in the channel I would say yes |
| 20:53.52 | moko-bunny | okay...thanks....cranky SIM card anyways :( |
| 20:55.52 | balrog-kun | Arachnid: yes, in quotes |
| 20:56.09 | balrog-kun | Arachnid: is it not accepting the pin on the Neo? |
| 20:56.22 | balrog-kun | does it work on other phones? |
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| 20:56.54 | moko-bunny | hehe, well there is the small matter of my dad not knowing what the PIN # is :) |
| 20:57.01 | Elrond | balrog-kun!! :-) |
| 20:57.39 | xkr47 | boing |
| 20:58.31 | balrog-kun | hi Elrond :) |
| 20:58.32 | moko-bunny | but I've tried the PUK# he has....and well, it looks like maybe it's one of the SIMs that don't work SKU 63512 code G and vendor 3001 |
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| 20:58.48 | moko-bunny | still works in the original phone, though |
| 20:58.58 | balrog-kun | moko-bunny: does he have some other phone that knows the PIN or something? :p |
| 21:00.08 | moko-bunny | yeah, I guess the phone knows the PIN...have no idea how to get it out of there...tried the 2 default cingular pin #s |
| 21:00.16 | balrog-kun | in most phones there's an option in the menu to tell the SIM to disable the PIN authentication |
| 21:00.16 | CathodioN | Hey all |
| 21:00.36 | balrog-kun | my SIM never asked me for PIN on any phone |
| 21:01.22 | balrog-kun | neither on the Neo, i think i must have disabled the PIN when i used the SIM for the first time |
| 21:01.23 | moko-bunny | cool...I'll give that a try tonight...have to go back to work. I did get a co-workers SIM to work and it's also an ATT 64k smartchip...will get SKU from that |
| 21:02.26 | moko-bunny | thanks balrog-kun...ttyl |
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| 21:43.48 | Arachnid | Just got my phone :) |
| 21:43.53 | Arachnid | Can't get the microsd card in :/ |
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| 21:48.37 | thomasg | Arachnid, whats the problem? |
| 21:49.03 | thomasg | I was wondering why everybody is so confused about the sim and microsd. for me it was intuitive |
| 21:49.53 | raynet | thomasg: probably because they are like 'omg! omg! w00t! it finally arrived! make it boot! make it boot rigth now!!1' |
| 21:50.19 | Arachnid | thomasg: It really needs a diagram |
| 21:50.30 | Arachnid | It wasn't obvious to me that you slide the card into the cover then flip it down |
| 21:50.42 | Arachnid | As opposed to laying the card on the contacts then putting the cover over it and locking it |
| 21:51.13 | Stephmw | thomasg: that arrangement can be confusing if you haven't used it before :) |
| 21:51.22 | Stephmw | thomasg: esp as it's so different to existing phones |
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| 21:53.01 | daMaestro | Arachnid, lol |
| 21:53.03 | daMaestro | Arachnid, same here |
| 21:53.08 | daMaestro | Arachnid, took me about 5 minutes |
| 21:53.14 | thomasg | if you want, I'll do video :) |
| 21:53.21 | daMaestro | Arachnid, and that was *after* figuring out how to open the damn case |
| 21:54.14 | thomasg | hehe, for me that was a thing of 1 minute at all :) |
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| 21:57.13 | thomasg | ok, I did a vid, if you want to see it :) |
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| 22:07.35 | abraxa_ | thomasg: Put it on the wiki maybe? |
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| 22:09.08 | thomasg | abraxa_, how big may it be? |
| 22:09.11 | thomasg | its about 25 mb |
| 22:09.20 | thomasg | uncompressed mpeg2 |
| 22:10.00 | Arachnid | Put it on youtube and link from the wiki? |
| 22:10.23 | thomasg | youtube sucks, but I could put it on google video. but the quality is shitty, too |
| 22:10.59 | thomasg | guess with xvid I can get it down to 10 mb |
| 22:11.22 | ozarka | thomasg: Aren't youtube and google video the same thing now? |
| 22:12.09 | thomasg | ozarka, no, they arent |
| 22:12.42 | thomasg | youtube is pretty slow and has a really poor quality, google video lists youtube videos, too - but they have their own servers (faster) and imho better quality |
| 22:15.14 | thomasg | ok, it's 15 mb mpeg2 now, after compression definately far under 10 mb |
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| 22:18.55 | Arachnid | A youtube or google video (or similar) video will be easier for most people to watch |
| 22:19.17 | Arachnid | Doesn't seem worth the effort to provide anything else given the requirements (it's short and quality doesn't matter much) |
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| 22:19.52 | thomasg | never uploaded a video to such a hoster |
| 22:20.25 | Arachnid | It's pretty simple, or all the people uploading stupid videos of their cats wouldn't be able to figure out how ;) |
| 22:20.38 | thomasg | ah, mom, have a old google mail account, should be enough for google video login |
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| 22:26.09 | Psi_ | daMaestro, thanks |
| 22:26.17 | Psi_ | did you get your audio working? |
| 22:26.23 | Psi_ | i got mine going |
| 22:26.55 | daMaestro | Psi_, no |
| 22:26.59 | daMaestro | Psi_, what build are you using? |
| 22:27.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Networking]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] [[Carriers]] [[Reader]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Carriers/ATT]] |
| 22:27.27 | Psi_ | from chooseopen openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070727221247.rootfs.jffs2 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 22:28.12 | Psi_ | i got it to play an mp3 and also got audio for a call using earphone headset |
| 22:28.14 | Arachnid | What's the difference between uImage "moko10" and "moko11"? |
| 22:28.23 | daMaestro | wow! sims that are working!! |
| 22:28.24 | daMaestro | w00t |
| 22:28.58 | thomasg | I was doing some calls today, works pretty good - even if the alsa state files needs some work :) |
| 22:29.16 | Psi_ | ive still never got it to make a call using the dialer app |
| 22:29.24 | Arachnid | Psi_: Did you have to use AT commands? |
| 22:29.32 | Psi_ | yep |
| 22:29.34 | Arachnid | heh. |
| 22:29.35 | Psi_ | using cu -l |
| 22:29.40 | daMaestro | Psi_, now.. see.. i've gotten it to use the dialer app |
| 22:29.56 | Arachnid | Something fairly urgent has come up since I ordered. :/ |
| 22:30.07 | Psi_ | daMaestro, i suspect its got something to do with the pin code |
| 22:30.25 | cjb | Arachnid: that's fine, by the time you're free again maybe it will be able to actually make calls reliably etc :) |
| 22:30.50 | SpeedEvil | Stupid question. Are there any general purpose distributions compatible with the Neo1973? |
| 22:30.56 | daMaestro | Psi_, do any of the builds from choose open match sha1sums from the buildhost? |
| 22:31.05 | daMaestro | Psi_, do you know who is building for choose open? |
| 22:31.11 | SpeedEvil | So if I just need a random small binary, I can scp it, rather than building. |
| 22:31.12 | Psi_ | no idea |
| 22:31.15 | daMaestro | are they approved builds? trusted source? |
| 22:31.22 | thomasg | so, for the guys who cannot put in the sim or the microsd: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-8343770443102960945&hl=de (Arachnid, this is for you :P) |
| 22:31.33 | daMaestro | i'm really thinking of just setting up a vm to build from and get the build sys packaged |
| 22:31.41 | daMaestro | thomasg, nice. |
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| 22:31.56 | daMaestro | thomasg, you should add that to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 22:32.03 | thomasg | ok, I will |
| 22:34.46 | daMaestro | balrog-kun, until i get any software packaged i work in a chroot or a full vm |
| 22:35.31 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - No, not really. If you need a random binary, msg me, and I'll build it for you. Unless it's X11. ;-) |
| 22:36.22 | balrog-kun | daMaestro: i just have a 32bit debian qemu VM set up so that i don't have to have any 32bit multilibs stuff on the host |
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| 22:36.34 | balrog-kun | so that i can have it purely 64bit |
| 22:36.42 | daMaestro | yeah, i rock fedora.. and like my multilib ;-) |
| 22:37.38 | balrog-kun | and as much as i would never use a debian derivative for desktop, it's just fine for a slow vm :) |
| 22:39.14 | Elrond | balrog-kun - What's wrong with debian? |
| 22:40.04 | balrog-kun | Elrond: lack of USE flags :p |
| 22:40.21 | cjb_ie | and go-faster stripes! |
| 22:40.52 | ashnazg | cjb_ie: don't I know you :P |
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| 22:41.39 | cjb_ie | ashnazg: fancy meeting you here. |
| 22:42.25 | ashnazg | cjb_ie: I keep waiting for someone to accidentally say "I'm packing ashnazg's phone up now to ship"... |
| 22:42.41 | juri_ | -fuck-upstream -O6 |
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| 22:46.01 | hrw | and lack of gcc -OMG |
| 22:47.06 | mmazur | Customs called me today. |
| 22:47.12 | mmazur | Hope they don't charge me too much. |
| 22:47.57 | cjb_ie | well, i'm sure they'll try and claim they're charging you precisely the right amount. |
| 22:48.26 | Arachnid | It boots \o/ |
| 22:48.34 | andy___ | ups also inflicts a charge on you mmazur |
| 22:48.48 | Arachnid | Are there working usb over ethernet drivers for windows for the moko? |
| 22:49.21 | hads | usb over ethernet? |
| 22:50.12 | balrog-kun | the RNDIS driver is supposed to work, i doubt anyone has tried it with Neo yet |
| 22:50.22 | Elrond | Arachnid - No. :-| |
| 22:50.35 | Elrond | balrog-kun - I tried it. It does not work. |
| 22:50.45 | balrog-kun | oh |
| 22:50.48 | Elrond | I even fixed up the usb-ids. Still did not work. |
| 22:51.12 | Elrond | Then I gave up and we connected the neo to freebsd. Worked out of the box. |
| 22:51.25 | Elrond | s/ I / we / |
| 22:51.48 | woglinde | lol |
| 22:53.11 | thomasg | usb-ethernet-emulation is damn cool :) |
| 22:53.22 | Arachnid | er, ethernet over usb |
| 22:53.23 | Elrond | thomasg - Yes. :-) |
| 22:53.27 | woglinde | thomasg solved your problem? |
| 22:53.44 | Arachnid | so the neo's is different to other devices that do ethernet over usb? |
| 22:53.55 | thomasg | woglinde, yeah |
| 22:54.05 | thomasg | the build environment is ready now |
| 22:54.07 | Elrond | Arachnid - In theory not. It's plain linux cdc_ether. |
| 22:54.28 | Elrond | Arachnid - And plain linux rndis. I have no idea, what's going wrong. |
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| 22:54.45 | thomasg | will play around - and running enlightenment - tomorrow :) |
| 22:54.49 | Arachnid | hm |
| 22:54.53 | woglinde | hehe |
| 22:55.04 | woglinde | e17 will be coming an alternative |
| 22:55.19 | woglinde | be becoming |
| 22:55.20 | woglinde | jesus |
| 22:55.45 | Writchie|away | re: RNDIS |
| 22:56.02 | Writchie|away | doesn't work on windows XP |
| 22:56.04 | thomasg | I'm more interested in using the EFL then in e17 itself. but I'm using e17 on desktop for years now (and e16 before) - so I at least will give it a try :) |
| 22:56.19 | Elrond | Writchie|away - Ahh... we were on xp. ;-) |
| 22:56.27 | Arachnid | Writchie|away: Why not? I'm sure I've used other ethernet-on-usb devices on windows before... |
| 22:56.43 | Writchie|away | the driver won't start |
| 22:57.03 | Writchie|away | that's after you rewrite the inf file to get the XP stack loaded. |
| 22:57.19 | Arachnid | Note: Do not point stylus at yourself and press torch button. |
| 22:57.41 | Arachnid | Writchie|away: Are the drivers OSS or closed? |
| 22:57.43 | Writchie|away | the RNDIS gadget used to work so I will have to look at it's history to see what broke it. |
| 22:58.04 | Writchie | the windows driver are closed. |
| 22:58.11 | Writchie | the gadget drivers are open on the neo |
| 22:58.16 | woglinde | thomasg yes efl mickeyl likes it very much |
| 22:58.17 | Arachnid | doh. |
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| 22:58.50 | Writchie | i am going to attempt to get this all working on XP and vista |
| 22:59.10 | Writchie | along with a better USB device with serial ports and mass storage as well |
| 22:59.26 | thomasg | woglinde, I'm trying to write a on screen finger-based keyboard using edje, will see if I get it (my C skills are pretty poor) |
| 22:59.36 | mickeyl | thomasg: we're going to introduce EFL into the OpenMoko platform soonihs |
| 22:59.40 | mickeyl | soonish, even |
| 22:59.49 | woglinde | he mickeyl still awake |
| 22:59.50 | thomasg | mickeyl, good news, thanks :) |
| 22:59.51 | mickeyl | it's not around the corner, but it will happen |
| 22:59.55 | mickeyl | woglinde: jau |
| 23:00.01 | Arachnid | The phone will charge when plugged into any USB port, right? |
| 23:00.03 | thomasg | mickeyl, in germany at moment? |
| 23:00.13 | Arachnid | Or does it need driver support? |
| 23:00.13 | woglinde | arachind no |
| 23:00.13 | Writchie | not any USB port |
| 23:00.23 | mickeyl | thomasg: yeah. for until end of August, then Denmark |
| 23:00.29 | woglinde | I have hp at work where put on front usb the phone dont load |
| 23:00.33 | mickeyl | then Madrid and Zurich |
| 23:00.36 | thomasg | hehe |
| 23:00.43 | mickeyl | and then vacation in Portugal |
| 23:00.45 | Arachnid | Does it need driver support to charge? |
| 23:00.45 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:00.50 | Elrond | mickeyl - I hope you consider, that some people need very clean, non animated UIs to consider them usebale? :) |
| 23:00.53 | Arachnid | More to the point, is there any way to tell if it's charging or not? |
| 23:00.58 | thomasg | so will any target in europe be left after that trips? :) |
| 23:01.13 | woglinde | arachind apm -minutes |
| 23:01.15 | woglinde | on console |
| 23:01.20 | Robot101 | mickeyl: come to Cambridge too, see Collabora's new offices :) |
| 23:01.32 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:01.38 | woglinde | everyone wants mickeyl |
| 23:01.59 | mickeyl | Robot101: i'd love to visit Cambridge! hopefully early next year |
| 23:02.22 | Arachnid | "On-line: 67%" |
| 23:02.29 | Arachnid | Would it say if it was charging? |
| 23:02.33 | woglinde | yes |
| 23:02.38 | woglinde | On-line |
| 23:02.41 | woglinde | is the keyword |
| 23:02.42 | mickeyl | arachnid: 100mA (or 50? seems like it doesn't work) needs no software support. 500mA needs a running kernel |
| 23:02.47 | Arachnid | ah |
| 23:02.54 | Arachnid | mickeyl: I meant on the host |
| 23:02.59 | mickeyl | ah |
| 23:03.02 | Arachnid | I know about the need for support on the device |
| 23:03.02 | mickeyl | yes |
| 23:03.12 | mickeyl | 500mA needs that the host enumerates the device |
| 23:03.18 | mickeyl | and offers 500mA |
| 23:03.27 | mickeyl | so, yyes |
| 23:03.33 | mickeyl | it needs driver support |
| 23:03.37 | mickeyl | stock USB though |
| 23:03.39 | mickeyl | nothing Neo specific |
| 23:03.48 | Writchie | it will try to add new hardware |
| 23:03.54 | mickeyl | windows? |
| 23:03.59 | Writchie | yes |
| 23:04.04 | mickeyl | cool. we need to supply a .inf for the Neo |
| 23:04.11 | anthony_ | does the neo charge while it is off |
| 23:04.13 | Writchie | i working on it |
| 23:04.18 | mickeyl | Writchie: cool |
| 23:04.36 | mickeyl | anthony_: yes. once 500mA has been launched, you can turn it off |
| 23:04.40 | Arachnid | Cool, it charges when on the powered hub, not just when directly attached. :) |
| 23:04.46 | Writchie | imho we should be a mass storage and serial port as well as RNDIS |
| 23:05.03 | mickeyl | Writchie: agreed. for the mass market release we want mass storage as default |
| 23:05.09 | Writchie | i agree |
| 23:05.09 | anthony_ | thank you |
| 23:05.22 | mickeyl | Arachnid: my battery status applet shows charging as a power socket |
| 23:05.23 | Writchie | user's can't handle RNDIS |
| 23:05.24 | thomasg | mass storage would be definately the best |
| 23:05.34 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: mass storage is for puppies. :) |
| 23:05.37 | thomasg | and for me usb-ethernet :) |
| 23:05.46 | Arachnid | mickeyl: Is that in a release, or did you build it yourself? |
| 23:05.48 | Writchie | they is puppies |
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| 23:06.18 | happycube | problem with doing mass storage is either you have to emulate a filesystem or disconnect it from the phone |
| 23:06.33 | happycube | hummm... not sure if filesystem emulation would even work |
| 23:06.39 | Arachnid | happycube: Why not? |
| 23:06.51 | happycube | because if you change a file on the phone side the FAT would be changed |
| 23:07.04 | happycube | and it would be cached on the other side... so it would be very confusing |
| 23:07.06 | mickeyl | Arachnid: if this is openmoko-battery-applet, then it shows the power status as green if offline and a power socket if online. |
| 23:07.21 | mickeyl | Arachnid: it's a personal image, but even the april snapshot had that |
| 23:07.30 | Arachnid | mickeyl: I just get a battery icon regardless of charging status |
| 23:07.55 | Arachnid | happycube: What level does usb mass storage expose devices as? |
| 23:07.57 | Arachnid | Raw blocks? |
| 23:07.58 | Writchie | i'm thinking mass storage more for media access |
| 23:08.03 | mickeyl | Arachnid: that could mean it doesn't really charge. are you using the Neo battery? |
| 23:08.12 | mickeyl | Arachnid: use dmesg to see whether it enables fast charging |
| 23:08.16 | Arachnid | mickeyl: Yes, and it's definitely charging, unless apm --minutes is lying |
| 23:08.27 | Arachnid | (it says 'on-line' when plugged into USB, and 'off-line' when not) |
| 23:08.29 | thomasg | mickeyl, Arachnid, I think it is a software problem, the battery icon won't change maybe |
| 23:08.36 | Arachnid | thomasg: that was my thought |
| 23:08.39 | Writchie | mass storage device is equivalent to whole disk |
| 23:08.46 | mickeyl | dunno. there's so much in flux. lets talk about that when the p1 snapshot image gets released |
| 23:08.47 | Writchie | it can be partitioned |
| 23:08.49 | mickeyl | [soon] |
| 23:08.51 | thomasg | Arachnid, are you using the images from the build-system? |
| 23:09.13 | Writchie | ext3 partitions won't be visible to windows |
| 23:09.26 | Arachnid | Writchie: What about what usb keys expose? They can't be partitioned, typicallyu |
| 23:09.27 | Writchie | only FAT |
| 23:09.31 | woglinde | there is an ext driver for win |
| 23:09.38 | woglinde | it should display ext3 too |
| 23:09.49 | Arachnid | thomasg: I'm using the latest one from buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 23:09.50 | thomasg | well, but that driver would make the mass-storage-support nonsense |
| 23:09.57 | Arachnid | thomasg: why? |
| 23:10.02 | Writchie | yes you could mount as ext2 or 3 filesystem driver for windows |
| 23:10.05 | happycube | yeah - raw blocks |
| 23:10.09 | thomasg | Arachnid, ah, k - I think I can confirm this - the icons doesn't show anything :) |
| 23:10.21 | Arachnid | thomasg: Ah well. Good things take time. ;) |
| 23:10.27 | happycube | and usb drives and flash sticks do have partition tables |
| 23:10.48 | Arachnid | happycube: IME, windows at least won't let you repartition flash sticks, only USB hard drives |
| 23:10.54 | Arachnid | Maybe that's an arbitrary s/w distinction |
| 23:11.02 | thomasg | can anyone confirm that the neo has to charge for about 10 minutes after running out of power until you can turn it on again? |
| 23:11.07 | Writchie | you can repartition from windows |
| 23:11.21 | Arachnid | Regardless, it would suck to have to unmount the media in order to share it over USB |
| 23:11.32 | woglinde | thomasg hm you can put out the battery |
| 23:11.37 | woglinde | than it turns on faster |
| 23:11.57 | thomasg | woglinde, I tried this |
| 23:12.12 | thomasg | I feared that the neo was broken, but after 10 minutes I could turn it on again :) |
| 23:12.27 | mickeyl | something is fishy in the power management |
| 23:12.55 | mickeyl | shutting down doesn't shut everything down |
| 23:12.55 | SpeedEvil | Lots is fishy in the power managment. |
| 23:12.55 | mickeyl | remove the battery and enter it again to be sure it doesn't suck power |
| 23:12.55 | Writchie | amen |
| 23:12.55 | woglinde | thomasg I know I thought many times that my neo is broken |
| 23:12.58 | woglinde | but than it came up |
| 23:13.02 | woglinde | everytime |
| 23:13.02 | Elrond | mickeyl - BTW: Will OM-2007 and .2 be able to coexist simoultanously? |
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| 23:13.21 | Writchie | every phone needs the one led MMI |
| 23:13.33 | mickeyl | Elrond: most of it. there are certainly theming issues, but the libraries should not affect each other |
| 23:13.37 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: P2 |
| 23:13.46 | Writchie | i fear not |
| 23:13.59 | Writchie | what is going to drive the LED |
| 23:14.09 | SpeedEvil | That's a problem. |
| 23:14.15 | Writchie | hopefully the PM chip |
| 23:14.19 | thomasg | woglinde, but I simply love the device ;) I've had many phones, but the neo is simply cool. build quality is pretty high, size, weight and forms are really good. don't want to brake it :) |
| 23:14.22 | SpeedEvil | P3 could really do with a small micro of some sort. |
| 23:14.34 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh, okay. I hope the theming issues wont be super-guly. :) |
| 23:14.36 | Writchie | yes, bootup manager |
| 23:14.45 | Writchie | tms430 |
| 23:14.50 | Writchie | programmable |
| 23:14.52 | SpeedEvil | Or pic, or AVR |
| 23:15.00 | SpeedEvil | Something small and cheap. |
| 23:15.01 | Writchie | handles reset power sequencing etc. |
| 23:15.11 | SpeedEvil | And JTAG security. |
| 23:15.14 | Writchie | pic or AVR not open source |
| 23:15.22 | SpeedEvil | Err - what? |
| 23:15.23 | thomasg | mickeyl, why the split up into om2007 and om2007.2? |
| 23:15.24 | woglinde | thomasg ;) |
| 23:15.26 | Writchie | at least not really |
| 23:15.28 | SpeedEvil | How are they not open-source? |
| 23:15.32 | Writchie | tools |
| 23:15.45 | SpeedEvil | There are open-source tools that work fine IMO. |
| 23:15.52 | Writchie | what do you use for PIC |
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| 23:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Just assembly |
| 23:16.30 | Writchie | i see, hand coded |
| 23:16.50 | happycube | 2007.2 has improved software and a new UI |
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| 23:16.56 | happycube | check koen's blog for a lil demo |
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| 23:17.06 | Elrond | I hear, that AVR is unuseable in assembly. How is it about PIC? |
| 23:17.34 | SpeedEvil | Very simple. |
| 23:17.46 | Writchie | AVR is usable - but you need IAR tools or the like |
| 23:18.09 | SpeedEvil | I was using gpuutils |
| 23:19.03 | Elrond | My current lurk-at-it-and-help-a-little project is 805[12] based. I like that assembler. |
| 23:19.10 | Writchie | TMS430, in any case has very very low power and lots PM modes, and reliable startup under any condition |
| 23:19.16 | Writchie | just IMO |
| 23:19.16 | mickeyl | thomasg: it's not a split. it's just a fresh start. an official snapshot image + a corresponding announcement will come hopefully next week |
| 23:19.24 | happycube | sweet :) |
| 23:20.13 | BlackBsd | hello |
| 23:20.26 | Elrond | mickeyl - Will some .ipk start to emerge on buildhost before the full image/announcement? |
| 23:20.42 | happycube | well you can check out OE now and follow the wiki instructions... ;) |
| 23:20.45 | cjb_ie | Elrond: didn't think anyone used processors that archaic any more - those things are essentially the same thing as the 8748 used in PC keyboards back in the 80s, but with a few more peripherals, right? |
| 23:20.50 | mickeyl | Elrond: no. buildhost still uses the old stuff. i have no resources to update that before the announcement :/ |
| 23:20.51 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: as do the PIC family. |
| 23:20.57 | Writchie | mickey1: is there an image suitable for demo - i am giving a presentation sat in redhat country |
| 23:20.59 | happycube | build needs some nursing but it can be done |
| 23:21.22 | mickeyl | Elrond: good news is though... starting w/ October, we have a full person doing solely OE/OM work. |
| 23:21.30 | mickeyl | Elrond: and that person is not me (even better news) ;) |
| 23:21.34 | Writchie | i do work with PIC a lot - i just don't like the architecture |
| 23:21.55 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - well, it's a matter of taste. |
| 23:22.04 | mickeyl | Writchie: not atm., ask me again tomorrow nite. |
| 23:22.06 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh, super. |
| 23:22.12 | cjb_ie | Writchie: separate instruction and data memories you mean? yeah, that takes a bit of getting used to. |
| 23:22.30 | thomasg | mickeyl, ok, I also guessed it's a new start - but why or how long will they coexist? |
| 23:22.31 | cjb_ie | and not just memories, but address spaces. that's a bit evil. |
| 23:22.50 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: very common onmicrocontrollers. |
| 23:22.54 | Elrond | cjb_ie - analog devices ADu*. ADC, ~56kb flash for code, low power consumption. The typical "embedded thingy". |
| 23:22.59 | cesarb | cjb_ie: that's the very common harvard architecture |
| 23:23.04 | Arachnid | Is anyone actively working on an SMS app? |
| 23:23.11 | Writchie | yes - reminds me of SC/MP |
| 23:23.13 | cesarb | cjb_ie: it's as turing complete as the von neumann one |
| 23:23.38 | cjb_ie | cesarb: true, but it still takes a bit of getting used to. not that i've ever written self-modifying code... *shifts uncomfortably* |
| 23:23.46 | Writchie | that was an age test ;) |
| 23:23.49 | mickeyl | thomasg: what do you mean by coexist? OM2007 is dead, there won't be updates. but this is no reason to remove the stuff from svn or to stop making it work -- at least until all the applications from 2007 have been ported to 2007.2 |
| 23:24.11 | cesarb | cjb_ie: as long as you don't want to change the code on the fly, there's no problem with a harvard architecture... and most embedded microcontrollers will never have their code changed |
| 23:24.37 | Elrond | mickeyl - To your last statement: So someone will commit my 2007 patch? ;o) |
| 23:24.39 | cesarb | cjb_ie: what's bad on these microcontrollers tend to be the ridiculously small RAM size (the ROM tends to be larger) |
| 23:24.45 | Writchie | there's just little point today when real orthogonal architectures are $1 |
| 23:24.47 | thomasg | mickeyl, ok, thats what I wanted to know |
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| 23:25.15 | mickeyl | Elrond: for sure! i will personally do it |
| 23:25.22 | cjb_ie | cesarb: that's a power optimisation. ram contents take power to maintain... rom contents don't |
| 23:25.24 | Elrond | mickeyl - Good. :-) |
| 23:25.37 | Arachnid | I'd like to see an SMS app with a GMail/IM style interface. If nobody else is working on one, I may do so as soon as I have time |
| 23:25.58 | cesarb | cjb_ie: hm, never thought about that |
| 23:26.06 | cesarb | makes sense |
| 23:26.47 | cesarb | mickeyl: did you guys investigate CEA-936-A? |
| 23:26.49 | Aria | Arachnid: Like Blackberry's, basically? |
| 23:26.58 | Elrond | Arachnid - I don't have a gmail account... how does that basicly look like? |
| 23:27.36 | Writchie | static ram is extremely low power except when accessed |
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| 23:28.17 | Arachnid | Aria: Haven't used a blackberry |
| 23:28.18 | Elrond | Writchie, cjb_ie - Yeah, this 805[12] thing has way too less RAM. ;-) |
| 23:28.45 | Arachnid | Elrond: It's 'conversaion based' - instead of individual messages, entries in your inbox / other folders are conversations |
| 23:28.50 | Arachnid | With multiple messages, in order |
| 23:28.57 | Aria | Arachnid: They do that on the blackberry |
| 23:29.00 | Arachnid | It also collapses already read messages by default |
| 23:29.18 | Arachnid | Aria: *shrug*. I don't care who it clones, I'm just sick of clunky SMS interfaces. :P |
| 23:29.24 | Aria | Arachnid: Ditto |
| 23:29.28 | mickeyl | cesarb: CEA-936-A? is that a star system? |
| 23:29.36 | Arachnid | When your messages are 2 sentences long, you shouldn't have to page through individual messages to read a conversation |
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| 23:30.34 | cesarb | mickeyl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEA-936-A |
| 23:31.15 | cesarb | mickeyl: (don't mind the stub state, I had difficulty finding details... but AFAIK it uses resistor values on the USB ID pin to select what's connected to the device) |
| 23:31.47 | Elrond | Arachnid - Ahh. |
| 23:32.03 | BlackBsd | their is an OEandYourDistro file which needs some updating, but its not located on the OM wiki, so i should inform the OE ppl? |
| 23:33.08 | mickeyl | cesarb: ah. interesting. no idea about all that stuff though. that may be something for the neo1973 mailing list, where the hardware guys are on |
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| 23:43.17 | BlackBsd | just becuse oe would compile on freebsd does not mean om will, correct? |
| 23:44.09 | woglinde | blackbad? |
| 23:44.17 | woglinde | aeh blackbsd? |
| 23:44.41 | woglinde | the om version of oe is a little bit behind oe-head |
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| 23:44.55 | woglinde | and has some caveats |
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| 23:46.45 | BlackBsd | so it probally wont run on the freebsd operating system? |
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| 23:47.09 | woglinde | blackbsd???? |
| 23:47.22 | woglinde | I dont know if qemu runs on bsd |
| 23:47.44 | woglinde | but why would you run a emebbed device windowmanger on your host pc? |
| 23:48.00 | woglinde | or will you ran bsd on the neo? |
| 23:48.19 | BlackBsd | just so i can compile, debug, playwith some of the apps/ |
| 23:48.24 | BlackBsd | till my phone gets here. |
| 23:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: the issue is more that static RAM requires some power to operate. If there is no power at all, it loses state. flash does not do this. |
| 23:48.43 | woglinde | blackbsd runs qemu-arm under bsd? |
| 23:48.44 | BlackBsd | i will still probably do the dev work on the pc.. |
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| 23:48.53 | woglinde | blackbsd than you have your answer |
| 23:49.18 | BlackBsd | http://people.freebsd.org/~maho/qemu/qemu.html |
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| 23:49.22 | BlackBsd | i have not tried it out. |
| 23:49.35 | BlackBsd | i will probally stick with my gentoo linux for now. |
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| 23:49.49 | BlackBsd | since it works well with all my laptop devices |
| 23:50.06 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone have a recommendation for a 'least broken' image that I can use to DFU my neo that's arriving tomorrow? |
| 23:50.23 | SpeedEvil | (hopefully) |
| 23:50.40 | woglinde | speedevil no |
| 23:50.53 | don-o | SpeedEvil: congrats in advance |
| 23:50.54 | Arachnid | I just used the latest one |
| 23:50.57 | woglinde | you could try build one from oe-head your self with angstroem |
| 23:51.00 | Arachnid | It doesn't do much, but it works. :P |
| 23:51.33 | SpeedEvil | I haven't setup a build environment. I don't ATM have a proper server setup, just a desktop that's used for much stuff, on an old version of slackware. |
| 23:52.22 | SpeedEvil | I would really not rather touch it ATM, I really need to setup my other motherboard and find a working disk... |
| 23:53.19 | Arachnid | hm. Despite having it on usb charging since I got it, it's still at 67% |
| 23:53.38 | SpeedEvil | Is it on? |
| 23:53.52 | SpeedEvil | It uses around 1.2W on. |
| 23:54.02 | SpeedEvil | That's about half what USB can supply. |
| 23:54.02 | Arachnid | How do I determine? |
| 23:54.10 | SpeedEvil | Is the screen on. |
| 23:54.12 | Arachnid | yes |
| 23:54.29 | Arachnid | But I've let it turn off, and when I've woken it up again, it's no further ahead |
| 23:54.48 | Elrond | Arachnid - How do you know about the 67%? |
| 23:55.02 | Arachnid | using apm |
| 23:55.12 | Arachnid | (incidentally, 'apm --minutes' gives the same result as just plain 'apm') |
| 23:55.26 | Arachnid | The battery meter is stuck at about 2/3rds, too |
| 23:55.34 | Elrond | cd /sys/dev*/platform/s3c2410-i2c/0-000*/ && cat battvolt |
| 23:55.49 | Elrond | Oh, and cat "chg*" |
| 23:56.00 | Elrond | Oh, and "cat chg*" |
| 23:57.19 | Elrond | Hmm, the battery icon usually does not show how full the battery is, when it's charging. It nly shows a battery with an arrow into it. |
| 23:57.25 | Elrond | At least on my version. |
| 23:57.36 | mjr | yep |
| 23:57.54 | Psi_ | Elrond, look closer, its a power plug, not an arrow :P |
| 23:58.02 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:58.09 | Arachnid | mine just shows the batterty |
| 23:58.13 | Arachnid | no indication its' charging |
| 23:58.20 | Elrond | Psi_ - I already use a 8x monocular to operate the neo. |
| 23:58.24 | Psi_ | hehe |
| 23:58.25 | Arachnid | Elrond: s3c* doesn't have a 0-000 dir |
| 23:58.39 | Arachnid | It has 'drive'r, 'modalias', 'uevent', 'power', 'i2c-0' dirs |
| 23:58.55 | Elrond | Arachnid - i2c-0/0-000*/ |
| 23:59.13 | Elrond | Arachnid - unplug and replug usb. That should get the charging started again. |
| 23:59.41 | Arachnid | battvolt is 3703 |
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