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| 03:03.14 | daMaestro | counter? |
| 03:03.15 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 16:28:22 (0.686±0.7 days) (1591;240) |
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| 03:42.17 | summatusmentis | no news :-( |
| 03:43.28 | cninja | hi, i'm wondering anyone is working on Webkit on OpenMoko |
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| 03:57.06 | aloril | cninja: yes, zecke works on it |
| 03:58.47 | aloril | having nice phone and not being able to hack on it is like gardener having nice garden and not being able to do any gardening |
| 03:59.50 | cninja | true, things take time to develop |
| 04:02.07 | aloril | over nice ready made garden where (s)he can't do anything |
| 04:02.32 | cninja | OpenMoko dev can run under QEMU for now right :) ? |
| 04:03.11 | aloril | yes |
| 04:03.22 | cninja | i personally want to add a 'gps' tracker code for OpenMoko. |
| 04:04.36 | cninja | And grab map data off Google Maps, showing the mapdata in WebKit. So i would be interested to help porting Webkit too |
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| 04:07.11 | aloril | there are and/or has been persons that see iPhone as option: above 'parable' is for you to hopefully show why Neo1973 is so big deal compared to iPhone for hackers/developers/etc.. |
| 04:08.17 | aloril | you might be happy with nice garden and not being able to do anything on it: fine for you then ;-) |
| 04:08.33 | cninja | no, don't get it wrong.... |
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| 04:08.52 | aloril | cninja: not talking about you, I was referring to yesterday discussion ;-) |
| 04:09.20 | cninja | yes. That is exactly why OpenMoko should be better than iPhone |
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| 04:29.53 | aloril | its almost like everyone is holding breath waiting for announcement ;-) |
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| 04:46.08 | daMaestro | are we all hackers waiting for the device to write cool programs for it? |
| 04:46.15 | daMaestro | or are we all mainly consumers? |
| 04:51.09 | fdr | ...mostly waiting for GTA02 for WiFi, for me.. |
| 04:51.19 | fdr | ...and partly write cool programs. and use SSH. |
| 04:51.35 | daMaestro | yeah, i want to have a device with wifi, also |
| 04:51.47 | daMaestro | but i'd really like to do some dev work on it |
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| 04:58.40 | aloril | Neo1973 doesn't really make sense for consumers now |
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| 04:59.35 | aloril | to use above metaphor: garden has not yet been made ;-) |
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| 05:04.17 | daMaestro | well.. so it is a good that mostly the people wanting a device now are actual devs |
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| 05:05.25 | ravan | what's the difference between the usbtty console and serial console? |
| 05:05.39 | aloril | yes, I hope so (that most consumers are postponing purchase, at least until developers have gotten their device) |
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| 05:12.03 | ravan | at the uboot prompt, if In, Out and Err are set to serial, how do you send input to the phone? |
| 05:13.13 | aloril | buying it after a week of it being available (assuming they have not sold out and there is no further few weeks delay ..) and knowing software state and still being consumer: that is of course fine |
| 05:14.29 | aloril | what I mean is it doesn't make sense to buy it immediately if its likely you will but it to drawer to wait for better software, better let those buy who will make software better for it immediately ;-) |
| 05:15.13 | aloril | (to repeat: above line is only in case demand is bigger than supply) |
| 05:15.48 | ravan | is there a dev channel? |
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| 05:17.15 | aloril | there is closed dev channel for core team, but I think this is dev channel too + chat channel |
| 05:17.32 | CM | And there's several dev mailinglists |
| 05:17.49 | ravan | ok |
| 05:17.50 | daMaestro | aloril, do you think there would be an objection to a qemu-neo1973 package? |
| 05:17.58 | daMaestro | (for fedora/RHEL/Centos) |
| 05:18.31 | aloril | daMaestro: I'm wrong person to ask, but I don't see why there would be objection ;-) |
| 05:18.37 | daMaestro | ok |
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| 05:18.47 | daMaestro | it's on my list.. and may get done tonight |
| 05:18.48 | aloril | daMaestro: looks like good idea for me |
| 05:18.49 | daMaestro | i dunno yet |
| 05:19.19 | CM | daMaestro: I assume they'd like it. :) |
| 05:19.30 | aloril | what is really needed is something: "1) paste these commands and you have all needed installed" |
| 05:19.51 | aloril | 2) do these steps and you got your own hello world program in qemu image |
| 05:20.18 | daMaestro | yeah.. i'd like to just yum install qemu-neo1973 and be done with it |
| 05:20.18 | daMaestro | lol |
| 05:20.38 | aloril | 1-2 being easy==a lot more people trying and potentially starting some cool/useful program |
| 05:21.01 | daMaestro | i assume there would also need to be some sort of software package? |
| 05:21.15 | daMaestro | a.k.a openmoko |
| 05:21.48 | aloril | at least image, but for development you want some way to install your own programs (== hello world example) |
| 05:22.44 | Mortimus | i cannot get qemu working due GCC 4 |
| 05:22.56 | aloril | that means openmoko development environment (== something that is result from running MokoMakefile, but pruned of tmp stuff, etc..) |
| 05:23.05 | daMaestro | Mortimus, you just use the compat lib |
| 05:23.13 | daMaestro | if you are talking about on, for example, fedora |
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| 05:23.44 | Mortimus | no im running gentoo |
| 05:24.20 | CM | Mortimus: I'm on gentoo too. Install gcc-3.4 and then compile qemu |
| 05:24.59 | Mortimus | sweet im on amd64 with too many packages ~amd64 |
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| 05:25.18 | Mortimus | do i have to keep gcc-3.4? |
| 05:25.29 | Mortimus | after compiling it |
| 05:25.31 | CM | Yes, but it's no problem |
| 05:25.42 | CM | Just use gcc-config to switch compiler |
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| 05:26.14 | CM | I think qemu will use gcc 3.x automaticly if it's available. |
| 05:26.18 | Mortimus | easy enough, I do that when I get to my own computer |
| 05:26.26 | Mortimus | it has to use gcc-3.4 |
| 05:26.57 | CM | It's possible to get it to compile with 4.x, but it's not really working afterwards ;) |
| 05:27.29 | Mortimus | i tried with 4.x it cant even get past compile |
| 05:28.18 | CM | There is a way to do it in the gentoo wiki, but it says everywhere, "don't do this, install 3.4.6" |
| 05:29.10 | aloril | daMaestro: for dev environment there are 2 cases: 1) develop as i386 binary (or whatever native platform is): often easier than qemu/device to do development this way |
| 05:29.32 | aloril | 2) then arm binary for qemu/device to final testing |
| 05:31.50 | daMaestro | ok |
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| 05:33.12 | aloril | for case 1) you need just openmoko libraries (other stuff is basically same (except gtk is older at the moment)) |
| 05:33.43 | aloril | 2) of course needs cross compiling environment |
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| 05:44.46 | daMaestro | if everything builds, it seems it should be quick.. maybe a patch or two to the makefiles |
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| 05:51.37 | daMaestro | hmm ... how do i checkout a certain revision aloril ? |
| 05:51.46 | daMaestro | i'm more of a git nut then svn |
| 05:53.20 | aloril | svn checkout -r .. ? |
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| 05:58.28 | daMaestro | sure, thanks |
| 05:58.48 | daMaestro | i'm just not up on svn commands.. and I am actually working on other stuff.. |
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| 06:17.08 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 06:37.01 | pjz | svn commands are mostly cvs commands |
| 06:39.31 | daMaestro | yeah.. more or less.. i'm just distracted |
| 06:39.53 | daMaestro | if you are referring to my query about how to checkout a certain revision |
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| 07:02.21 | daMaestro | hmm well anyone willing to tell me what needs to be done for qemu-neo1973 to be built on gcc3.4? |
| 07:04.16 | daMaestro | http://dev.damaestro.us/openmoko.build.log |
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| 07:07.32 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 07:10.29 | daMaestro | it is gcc 3.4.6* |
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| 07:26.08 | roh | daMaestro try caslling configure with this: --target-list=arm-softmmu |
| 07:27.25 | roh | also remove those special CFLAGS.. cannot work if you force your compiler to do things which it should not do or cannot |
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| 07:31.06 | daMaestro | roh, ok.. i'll add the --target ... what CFLAGS need to be removed? |
| 07:31.17 | daMaestro | roh, i'm packaging an rpm right now |
| 07:31.18 | daMaestro | lol |
| 07:31.43 | roh | daMaestro just do not set any CFLAGS |
| 07:31.56 | wehttamb | counter |
| 07:31.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 14:14:01 (0.593±0.6 days) (1592;240) |
| 07:31.59 | roh | the makefile would set special ones if wanted or needed. |
| 07:32.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 07:33.36 | roh | especially qemu needs its binarys compiled 'standard' since its neccessarsy for dyngen to work. thats also what is generating the dependency on gcc3, since gcc4 binarys are different enough for dyngen not to work anymore |
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| 08:07.45 | xkr47 | counter |
| 08:07.46 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 13:56:07 (0.581±0.6 days) (1593;240) |
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| 08:50.09 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 08:50.14 | fdr | hello |
| 08:51.38 | ewon | morning |
| 08:53.14 | aloril | about 31.5 left of week |
| 08:53.34 | aloril | s/31.5/31.5h/ |
| 08:53.47 | fdr | so, any bets about the arrival of GTA02? |
| 08:54.02 | CM | I guess about a year |
| 08:54.27 | CM | But I hope christmas :) |
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| 09:03.44 | aloril | 0.5year +-3 months |
| 09:05.14 | fdr | hmm |
| 09:05.26 | fdr | ...sadly, I think a phone without WiFi may be a non-starter for me. |
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| 09:13.11 | koen | especially considering GSM works over wifi |
| 09:13.14 | koen | oh, wait.... |
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| 09:16.17 | roh | koen ;) |
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| 09:19.13 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 09:19.18 | hrw | hi pavel |
| 09:19.33 | hrw | pavelm: I have a question related to suspend in kernel |
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| 09:21.35 | hrw | pavelm: I use cryptosetup (LUKS) with LVM. swap is on lvm. how to suspend/resume to disk with this setup? s2disk suspends, hibernate suspends, echo disk>/sys/power/state suspends. but I cant resume |
| 09:21.40 | roh | morning pavel |
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| 09:23.16 | roh | hrw you cant. either you would have crypted swap with random key on bootup (would overwrite the suspend to disk memoryimage on boot) or your cryptosetup is senseless since an attacker could just pull your ram from the suspend to disk image in swap |
| 09:23.53 | roh | i use the same, just no lvm in between |
| 09:24.17 | hrw | crap |
| 09:24.19 | roh | lvm needs more fiddeling in the ramdisk |
| 09:24.32 | pavelm | hi, hrw |
| 09:25.15 | pavelm | ummm... try it w/o lvm/cryptoloop, first |
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| 09:25.39 | pavelm | hrw: setup for encrypted stuff is non-trivial |
| 09:26.34 | pavelm | hrw: echo disk can't reasonably work, s2disk could in theory |
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| 09:27.36 | roh | pavelm how? should s2disk crypt the memorydump on suspend and decrypt on resume and ask for a special key? |
| 09:27.59 | pavelm | roh: s2disk can do rsa encryption, yes. |
| 09:29.07 | hrw | pavelm: I do not have another hdd to test w/o lvm/crypto |
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| 09:30.40 | pavelm | hrw: usb stick :-) |
| 09:30.50 | roh | hrr |
| 09:31.43 | pavelm | hrw: so at least verify the disk is available/unlocked at time resume is ran from initrd |
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| 09:33.49 | hrw | sure |
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| 09:53.59 | pavelm | hrw: plus I remember we had some problems with lvm :-) |
| 09:54.02 | xkr47 | has anybody thought of exporting the openmoko screen through vnc? then you could operate it through your pc while at work or at home.. |
| 09:55.47 | ewon | I would have thought a VNC *client* would be more useful |
| 09:56.15 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03njp * r2345 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-apps/openmoko-dialer_svn.bb: Fixed to include the dbus service file in the package |
| 09:56.55 | xkr47 | it would be useful when outside office or home, sure |
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| 09:59.04 | pavelm | xkr: about everyone thought of _that_. |
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| 10:03.15 | xkr47 | pavelm, :) |
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| 10:15.37 | pavelm | is there any progress in openmoko kernel patches merge? |
| 10:19.25 | Placid | counter |
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| 10:23.28 | ynezz | c'mon, make that anouncement so I can go sleep :p |
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| 10:25.51 | Placid | greed :D |
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| 10:38.31 | daMaestro | anyone working on fedora? |
| 10:38.52 | daMaestro | i have some packages to test for qemu-neo1973 ... and just don't have time at the exact moment |
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| 10:54.26 | webjames | hi, i'm running windows atm :( where can i find the latest images so i can run qemu, i've downloaded the win binary but the images that it comes with are quite old |
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| 11:01.50 | SpeedEvil | On encryption of suspend images - you can suspend to an encrypted partition. |
| 11:02.09 | pavelm | speed: If you know how to do it, tell to hrw :-) |
| 11:02.14 | SpeedEvil | If you use encrypted swap. |
| 11:02.34 | SpeedEvil | Use encrypted swap, and it mostly just works |
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| 11:02.51 | SpeedEvil | you then need to setup the swap right on the initfs |
| 11:03.02 | SpeedEvil | with the right key, then say 'resume' |
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| 11:25.11 | _llll_ | counter? |
| 11:25.11 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 12:17:24 (0.512±0.5 days) (1594;239) |
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| 11:27.21 | stefan_schmidt | hi zecke |
| 11:27.31 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: math test done? |
| 11:27.51 | zecke | hmm, I can only lose when I answer |
| 11:28.13 | zecke | it is time to study succesor of (mafi II) |
| 11:28.28 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I don't mean if it went well just if it is finished. |
| 11:28.43 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: So you can came back to normal coding life. ;) |
| 11:29.36 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: well, I will code this week and then start studying for MaFi III :} |
| 11:30.07 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: hmm, sounds not like fun |
| 11:30.25 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: don't hit me, I like math |
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| 11:30.42 | koen | zecke: and guadec? |
| 11:30.53 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: /me too, but having the study pressure makes it unnice again. |
| 11:32.28 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: as you have worked on the panel_applet. Is there any reason moko_panel_system_init is declared but not defined? |
| 11:33.50 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: In mokoui you mean? I think some parts are just not finished |
| 11:34.42 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 11:35.30 | daMaestro | anyone using fedora and are willing to test a qemu-neo1973 package i just did? :-)) |
| 11:36.14 | dcordes | daMaestro, why would you need somebody with fedora to test? |
| 11:36.29 | daMaestro | it is a package for fedora |
| 11:36.49 | daMaestro | i just don't have time at the current moment; just wondered if anyone wanted to |
| 11:36.50 | daMaestro | lol |
| 11:36.56 | dcordes | daMaestro, ah I got this wrong sorry. Though you were looking out for somebody to test your qemu image |
| 11:37.11 | daMaestro | nope, basically an rpm |
| 11:37.24 | daMaestro | once i test it, etc.. i'll stick it in the fedora repos |
| 11:37.43 | daMaestro | should get us a wider dev base |
| 11:37.53 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: but besides that 100% of openmoko-ui is covered by python |
| 11:38.24 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: who is loading the applets? which part of matchbox is doing that? |
| 11:39.19 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: matchbox-panel loads the shared libraries AFAIK |
| 11:43.24 | zecke | ~seem mickeyl |
| 11:43.37 | zecke | ~seen mickeyl |
| 11:44.01 | apt | mickeyl <n=mickey@61-230-49-99.dynamic.hinet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 15d 19h 2m 8s ago, saying: 'k'. |
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| 11:45.13 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: He is pumping the water out of his office. :( |
| 11:46.28 | zecke | he should get a pair of gills and a wetsuit instead |
| 11:46.51 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: And swimming pc stuff. :) |
| 11:47.22 | zecke | a set of rugged-neos |
| 11:49.29 | hrw | and few nice looking girls which will take care of removing water |
| 11:50.07 | CoreDump|afk | forget the nice girls, I'll take the rugged neos =) |
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| 11:53.43 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: OT: Do we have a data-mining site about german politicians somewhere? I was schocked to see Wolfgang Clements current position |
| 11:54.39 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: No idea. Perhaps time to start one? |
| 11:55.18 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: right |
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| 12:07.00 | ynezz | who is wolf clements? |
| 12:07.37 | ynezz | all articles seems to be in german |
| 12:08.34 | zecke | ynezz: he was a ministry of slavery, aeh labor and introduced a couple of laws allowing "temp-work" and now he is in the board of directors in such a company |
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| 12:11.06 | buz | counter |
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| 12:48.31 | lalo | I'm having a bit of a problem with bitbake... it seems to have downloaded a corrupted source file, so I innocently deleted and hoped it would download again, but of course that's not how it works... how do I force it to download again? |
| 12:48.31 | aloril | lalo: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:49.17 | lalo | heh, neat |
| 12:49.47 | CM | Auto-trigger for a new nick on the channel with a question |
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| 12:50.05 | lalo | yes, neat |
| 12:50.20 | lalo | I should probably adopt the idea on a few other channels ;-) |
| 12:50.27 | CM | lalo: Ask koen about the bitbake thing. I've only used the Moko makefile |
| 12:51.00 | CM | wifi? |
| 12:51.01 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 12:51.11 | koen | CM: I don't know how to debug problems with an obsolete, hacked copy of bitbake |
| 12:51.12 | rwhitby | lalo: you should be able to remove the source file (and it's md5 file) from the downloads directory |
| 12:51.14 | lalo | but the moko makefile uses bitbake, too :-P in fact I was using the moko makefile |
| 12:51.25 | rwhitby | then you need to remove the corresponding stamp file |
| 12:51.34 | lalo | aha! that was the missing piece |
| 12:52.40 | CM | rwhitby: I didn't know about the stamp thing, but now I do. :) |
| 12:53.15 | lalo | that worked! thanks :-D |
| 12:53.19 | rwhitby | CM: but I know that you know that MokoMakefile just runs bitbake to do 98% of what it does :-) |
| 12:53.30 | rwhitby | lalo: np |
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| 13:27.39 | Sarpedo1 | I'm trying to run MokoMakeFile on an Ubuntu 7.04 box and can't get past the make setup part. It runs " ( svn co -r HEAD http://svn.openmoko.org/ openmoko ) and returns an error of "svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'" followed by "svn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': 200 OK (http://svn.openmoko.org)" Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 13:34.01 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/it]] [[Gsmd]] [[System_Developer/it]] |
| 13:34.19 | jeddy3 | Sarpedo1, try running it again |
| 13:35.02 | jeddy3 | Sarpedo1, not sure if this is the same, but i sometimes have some trouble connecting to svn server |
| 13:35.03 | _llll_ | 'http://svn.openmoko.org/ openmoko' looks wrong, why the space? |
| 13:35.43 | jeddy3 | url is the server adress, openmoko the local destination adress, no? |
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| 13:37.05 | ynezz | dirname, yes |
| 13:37.06 | _llll_ | ah, right. but usually you would specify a path in http://svn.openmoko.org/ |
| 13:37.19 | _llll_ | like you'd want to get just trunk/ (usually) |
| 13:39.42 | rwhitby | _llll_: usually, but the OM core devs decided that the build procedure should check out trunk branches and tags, so mokomakefile complied with that build specification |
| 13:39.43 | Sarpedo1 | I've tried it several times, ran it yesterday a few times and just now. |
| 13:40.04 | jeddy3 | Sarpedo1, oh ok, don't know then... |
| 13:40.27 | rwhitby | Sarpedo1: have you ever been able to check something out via http on that machine? sometimes it's a http proxy problem stopping subversion checkouts ... |
| 13:41.30 | Sarpedo1 | Haven't checked anything out via SVN before this that I know of. The first time I ran the MokoMakeFile it was doing 23000 certifications and 5000 revisions I believe. I think that part finished fine, not sure if that was checking out or not. |
| 13:41.46 | rwhitby | that was getting the monotone database |
| 13:42.00 | rwhitby | that svn co line works here |
| 13:42.03 | Sarpedo1 | Ah, alright. |
| 13:42.06 | rwhitby | (just tried it manually then) |
| 13:42.20 | Sarpedo1 | I'll give that a shot and see what happens...probably the same results I'd guess though |
| 13:42.42 | Sarpedo1 | I am on a university network, so they might be blocking SVN for some very odd reason.... |
| 13:43.07 | _llll_ | why do they want people to check out all the tags and branches? that sounds silly to me |
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| 13:44.31 | Sarpedo1 | Not seeing any verbose command or the like for svn -co, any way to get it to print more? |
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| 13:46.17 | DukeOfURL | good morning! |
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| 13:49.08 | rwhitby | _llll_: yep, it's silly. it has provided some interesting insight in the developer branches though ;-) |
| 13:50.15 | balrog-kun | _llll_: svn is for use by the developers, too ;) |
| 13:50.31 | balrog-kun | they have set it up the way it is most comfortable for the developers |
| 13:50.51 | roh | Sarpedo1 you can try to change the http to https and see if that works |
| 13:50.54 | _llll_ | do they not know what "svn switch" is for? |
| 13:51.38 | balrog-kun | how would it help? |
| 13:51.45 | Sarpedo1 | K, I just tried checking out the subversion code and that didn't fly either, so that's not a good sign :p |
| 13:52.16 | _llll_ | well if you want to work on a branch, you just switch your wc, or part of that wc to the branch. no need to have the branch and trunk at the same time |
| 13:52.51 | Sarpedo1 | Thanks roh, it looks like https is working. |
| 13:53.04 | roh | hehe.. tricked the broken proxy |
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| 15:56.22 | zecke | koen: do you want to have php gtk bindings? |
| 15:56.39 | zecke | koen: or even openmoko bindings? I feel bored tonight |
| 15:56.46 | koen | nah |
| 15:56.55 | koen | I'd rather have a webkit that compiles :) |
| 15:57.09 | zecke | good point |
| 15:57.17 | Elrond | Good night zecke |
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| 16:03.41 | don-o | the announce list has been empty since april. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/ |
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| 16:03.54 | don-o | sigh. |
| 16:04.08 | don-o | at&t service plans were announced today. |
| 16:04.20 | don-o | for the phone that shall not be named |
| 16:04.31 | cjb | and they're ridiculously expensive. |
| 16:04.44 | cjb | it sounds like it's not possible to own an iPhone for less than $2000 for two years |
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| 16:05.19 | SpeedEvil | Barking mad. |
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| 16:05.28 | SpeedEvil | ifanbois. |
| 16:05.46 | don-o | i think its high but not outrageous given unlimited data. |
| 16:05.55 | SpeedEvil | Is it subsidised? |
| 16:06.20 | cjb | well, the phone is $500, the cheapest plan looks like $40-$50/mo. |
| 16:06.21 | don-o | SpeedEvil: there's no way to know really |
| 16:06.22 | SpeedEvil | Unlimited, truly? At what datarate? |
| 16:06.51 | SpeedEvil | I can get 1G/mo for $14 or so US |
| 16:06.59 | don-o | SpeedEvil: im not sure but by next Monday there will be a zillion reviews |
| 16:07.04 | ph|ber | im buying an iphone. |
| 16:07.19 | buz | actually slashdot says you can have iphone with any plan |
| 16:07.23 | ph|ber | and it is only $20 for the addon to my plan for unlimited data and visual mail, and 200 msges |
| 16:07.24 | buz | just need to sign up for 2 years |
| 16:07.56 | don-o | buz: my understanding, according to the apple sign-up video, is that any existing plan you have, you can keep. plus the unlimited data extra cost. |
| 16:08.01 | ph|ber | and atm i have a blackberry and it is $40 extra, so my bill will cut $20 |
| 16:08.08 | ph|ber | don-o: yes. |
| 16:08.42 | buz | i wonder if sean manages to give us his promised news before the iphone launch |
| 16:08.58 | don-o | what im waiting to hear is, if i get a $600 phone plus a $150 cancellation fee, does it still work as an iPod and wifi browser? |
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| 16:09.27 | juco | I suspect not out of the box |
| 16:09.35 | ph|ber | hrm.. im sure you can unlock it.. |
| 16:09.41 | juco | ? |
| 16:09.49 | empty_mind | i am sure you can run linux on it |
| 16:09.54 | juco | heh |
| 16:10.09 | ph|ber | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/26/apple_says_iphone_can_be_activated_by_users_at_home.html |
| 16:10.22 | empty_mind | seriously, openembedded based distro should owrk out of the box |
| 16:10.38 | juco | if you have a way to flash |
| 16:11.28 | empty_mind | way to flash could be figured out |
| 16:12.28 | empty_mind | there must be a way to flash the rom by shortcircuiting sme pints in the hardware |
| 16:13.24 | koen | you can't flash a ROM |
| 16:13.30 | koen | otherwise it isn't a ROM |
| 16:13.43 | koen | Read Only Memory, you know |
| 16:13.44 | empty_mind | oops, yes you cant flash a rom |
| 16:14.03 | empty_mind | i meant the memory |
| 16:17.40 | zecke | they barely need a multi touch to implement what they have |
| 16:18.20 | zecke | the photo browser is a direct copy of 1999's Digital's Photo browser.. |
| 16:19.50 | alp | zecke: i put up the last patch in my patchset if you want to test the encoding bugfixes and svg support |
| 16:20.16 | Stephmw | zecke: nothing about the iphone experience is innovative |
| 16:20.40 | zecke | alp: awesome, I was busy with studying for my math exam. Is the headerCallback patch in? should I poke WildFox about it? |
| 16:21.17 | koen | Stephmw: nothing apple does is really innovative, they just add a sprinkle of 'just works' |
| 16:21.21 | SpeedEvil | Of course it's innovative! It's got an 'i' in front of the name! |
| 16:21.44 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: ah yes, my bad |
| 16:24.31 | alp | zecke: all three are kind of interdependent, it crashes without all applied. #14061 #14059 #14058 (#14059 may need a bit more work before landing) |
| 16:25.12 | alp | (am always confusing this channel with #webkit when i see zecke talking about browsers, sorry for the OT) |
| 16:25.59 | zecke | well it is ot :) |
| 16:27.00 | stefan_schmidt | alp, zecke: Indeed. We all waiting for zecke finishing the browser. |
| 16:27.16 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I like to use it on GUADEC btw. ;) |
| 16:27.19 | zecke | haha, GUI is not part of GSoC, I will charge extra ;) |
| 16:27.37 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Give me your account. ;) |
| 16:27.58 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: well, mickeyl witnessed how WebKit can make XQuartz crash |
| 16:28.09 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: At the moment you let alp work for your GSoC project. That means you can concentrate on the GUI.;) |
| 16:28.23 | koen | stefan_schmidt: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=libwebkitgdk-gdklauncher |
| 16:29.07 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: well, that is mean |
| 16:29.58 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
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| 16:37.19 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: BTW: You can easily compile WebKit/Gtk. In fact buildhost-old is doing that everytime something changes |
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| 17:15.59 | CM | Compiling busybox really bring my comp down.. At least 800mb ram out of 1gb, and 1.3gb swap used :/ |
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| 17:19.28 | balrog-kun | strange, did you use -j N with a high N? |
| 17:19.49 | koen | CM: turn off the "compile everything at once" .config option |
| 17:20.00 | CM | koen: Ok |
| 17:20.15 | koen | it's a busybox optimization option |
| 17:20.30 | koen | which works fine on a headless dual opteron with 2GB of ram :) |
| 17:20.32 | CM | Was just running make qemu-* with the makefile |
| 17:20.41 | CM | Hehe, I wish |
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| 18:15.48 | rburton | if anyone has a moko OE ready, can you try a build of the latest svn of tasks? :) |
| 18:15.57 | rburton | i want to check i haven't broken the moko port again |
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| 18:40.43 | LuitvD | counter |
| 18:40.44 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 08:39:38 (0.361±0.4 days) (1598;239) |
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| 20:24.12 | zecke | hey |
| 20:24.12 | summatusmentis | hi zecke |
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| 20:28.31 | thomasg__ | neues savage2 video: http://savage2.s2games.com/movies/15_large_164.wmv |
| 20:28.44 | phed_ | mmm, evas would be fun to run on the phone :) |
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| 20:29.46 | thomasg__ | erm, oops, wrong window :) |
| 20:30.02 | thomasg__ | I'm sorry |
| 20:31.09 | CM | thomasg__: I'm afraid we can never ever forgive such a serious mistake.. :P ;) |
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| 20:31.18 | thomasg__ | ^^ |
| 20:31.44 | thomasg__ | well, I hope this game will run on a openmoko-phone in future :) |
| 20:32.05 | CM | Some good games would be cool, yes :) |
| 20:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Doom! |
| 20:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Though we need a stick |
| 20:32.51 | thomasg__ | but the opengl es accelerator in gta02 maybe is, erm, a bit too weak vor savage2 :) |
| 20:32.56 | CM | I'd like a good rougelike |
| 20:33.13 | SpeedEvil | nethack! |
| 20:33.20 | SpeedEvil | The screen can do 80*25 |
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| 20:37.36 | CM | ~last rburton |
| 20:38.07 | CM | ~seen rburton |
| 20:38.12 | apt | rburton <n=ross@althur.gotadsl.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 2h 22m 15s ago, saying: 'i want to check i haven't broken the moko port again'. |
| 20:38.14 | CM | I always forget that command |
| 20:38.33 | robtaylor | ~seen mickeyl |
| 20:38.35 | apt | mickeyl <n=mickey@61-230-49-99.dynamic.hinet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 16d 3h 56m 42s ago, saying: 'k'. |
| 20:38.37 | CM | Anyway, openmoko-tasks is broken again |
| 20:38.37 | pavelm | Are there any news about pushing openmoko patches into kernel? |
| 20:38.45 | robtaylor | 16d?! |
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| 20:38.57 | CM | robtaylor: He's been using another nick |
| 20:39.04 | CM | While he was 2 weeks in .tw |
| 20:39.47 | pjz | ~seen pjz |
| 20:39.48 | apt | pjz is currently on #openmoko (4d 10h 31m 4s) #openezx (4d 10h 31m 4s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen pjz'. |
| 20:40.27 | Elrond | ~seen Elrond |
| 20:40.28 | apt | elrond is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 185 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Elrond'. |
| 20:41.00 | koen | [20:15] rburton: if anyone has a moko OE ready, can you try a build of the latest svn of tasks? |
| 20:41.01 | koen | [20:15] rburton: i want to check i haven't broken the moko port again |
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| 20:41.08 | koen | 2.5 hours ago |
| 20:41.22 | Elrond | hehe |
| 20:41.24 | CM | koen: Yes, I knew I had seen something |
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| 20:46.51 | phed__ | hmm, i wonder how fast ie dos would be under qemu too :o |
| 20:47.06 | phed__ | I know some old cell phones could handle dosgames at least. : \ |
| 20:47.36 | koen | phed__: use dosbox for that, not qemu |
| 20:48.15 | phed__ | oh, i thought that wasnt portable : \ |
| 20:48.25 | CM | Registrating at the OM bugzilla is truly slow |
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| 20:50.10 | Elrond | BTW: What's up with buildhost? |
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| 21:03.51 | zell1983 | hi, if I want to make a game for openmoko, which library do I have to use? |
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| 21:05.04 | guaqua | you can even write your own library...you don't have to use a specific one |
| 21:05.33 | guaqua | i'm thinking some sort of sdl port would be suitable |
| 21:05.42 | guaqua | phed_: fix your connection |
| 21:05.59 | phed_ | eek, yeah. :\ |
| 21:06.22 | woglinde | zell if you are familar with the gp2x, than you can almost do the same on the neo |
| 21:06.32 | zell1983 | no I'm not |
| 21:06.40 | Elrond | zell1983 - It's simple X11, go and run your favorite game. |
| 21:06.43 | zell1983 | but I know sdl a little bit |
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| 21:09.45 | zell1983 | with a sdl port I think it will be easier to write a game for openmoko |
| 21:10.45 | woglinde | sdl is no problem |
| 21:11.47 | zell1983 | I'm thinking to write the game for Linux with SDL than when it's finished port it on openmoko |
| 21:12.15 | zell1983 | do you think it's a good strategy? |
| 21:12.20 | mjr | it's sound |
| 21:12.27 | woglinde | yes thats the way to go |
| 21:12.53 | zell1983 | ok, good. thanks you all |
| 21:13.20 | woglinde | but you cann look at fenix too |
| 21:13.22 | woglinde | http://chui.dcemu.co.uk/fenix.html#Whats |
| 21:15.02 | zell1983 | I'll check this, thanks you |
| 21:17.04 | don-o | im about to try using the mokomakefile on a freshly installed ubuntu system. |
| 21:17.15 | balrog-kun | iirc SDL already runs on openmoko |
| 21:17.25 | balrog-kun | i've seen screenshots of some SDL game running on the neo1973 |
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| 21:17.48 | zell1983 | oh very good |
| 21:18.47 | mjr | yeah it's been run |
| 21:19.11 | don-o | zell1983: scroll through http://flickr.com/photos/tags/openmoko for some different apps (including games) on the neo |
| 21:20.25 | Elrond | zell1983 - Normal X11 game on the neo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5/417853278/in/photostream/ |
| 21:20.59 | zell1983 | wow , very interesting |
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| 21:21.31 | don-o | OEandYourDistro++ |
| 21:23.36 | pavelm | counter |
| 21:23.36 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 07:18:12 (0.304±0.3 days) (1599;240) |
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| 21:25.02 | don-o | pavelm: the counter bot was killed long ago |
| 21:29.34 | Elrond | don-o - Have fun with monotone.... |
| 21:30.04 | don-o | Elrond: yeah ive been down this path before on an 800mhz laptop and very slow internet link. a couple days i think it would have taken. |
| 21:30.10 | paulproteus | pavelm, In what way was the counter bot killed? |
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| 21:30.18 | don-o | Elrond: now im on a coreduo mac mini with a DS3 connection. |
| 21:30.32 | don-o | (with ubuntu running under parallels) |
| 21:33.02 | pavelm | don-o: Are there any news? |
| 21:33.18 | don-o | pavelm: not that i have heard. the community mailing list seems to be the best source for info. |
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| 21:38.15 | pavelm | bye, everyone. |
| 21:38.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Sean]] [[Wish_List]] |
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| 21:43.04 | don-o | Elrond: its just sitting at "mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org" :( |
| 21:43.42 | Elrond | don-o - No idea. I was happy, when that part was over. |
| 21:43.50 | woglinde | don-o yes the server is slappy |
| 21:43.57 | woglinde | and no one fixed till now |
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| 21:44.08 | don-o | slappy? |
| 21:44.12 | woglinde | florian said he would look in to it |
| 21:44.23 | woglinde | hm some bandwith problems with newer kernel |
| 21:44.26 | woglinde | was a guess |
| 21:44.39 | zecke | IO issues |
| 21:44.48 | zecke | don-o: use a mirror |
| 21:44.58 | don-o | zecke: oh yeah? suggestions? |
| 21:45.15 | zecke | opensource.wolfson*BLA*FOO*.com |
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| 21:46.39 | don-o | zecke: trying. thx. |
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| 21:46.58 | don-o | Connection refused |
| 21:47.24 | iniduoh | Can I buy an openmoko phone yet? |
| 21:47.36 | Ganneff | no |
| 21:47.38 | mjr | no |
| 21:48.37 | don-o | zecke: the command is 'mtn --db=OE.mtn pull opensource.wolfson*FOO*.com org.openembedded.dev' (with the *FOO* removed) |
| 21:48.54 | don-o | zecke: should that work? |
| 21:49.06 | zecke | don-o: no FOO is a common place holder |
| 21:49.08 | iniduoh | Man that stinks, where can I get development software? |
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| 21:49.30 | zecke | don-o: it is inserted by people when they don't know what the real name is |
| 21:49.40 | don-o | zecke: grin. |
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| 21:50.02 | zecke | opensource.wolfsonmicro.com could work |
| 21:50.20 | zecke | there is something called google, which can replace FOO with something real |
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| 21:52.44 | don-o | zecke: thats working. i thought you were trying to obfusticate the real hostname to keep irc scraper bots from cataloging it. |
| 21:53.22 | zecke | I would be happy if they would do, this would make linuxtogo.org usable again ;) |
| 21:55.26 | don-o | the 'big sync' has begun. 44/5,906 revisions. |
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| 22:07.24 | runishe | when will it be released?????????......cant w.a.i.t......mussttt have........mmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:07.25 | aloril | runishe: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:08.58 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 22:08.59 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 06:55:30 (0.289±0.3 days) (1600;240) |
| 22:09.31 | thomasg__ | 18h remaining for sean |
| 22:10.02 | Mortimus | ? 512 MB MicroSD card included? |
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| 22:10.26 | SpeedEvil | Sean has been kidnapped by aliens. |
| 22:10.31 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:10.43 | Mortimus | oi |
| 22:10.50 | SpeedEvil | They are demanding 100 exatons of bananas before they will release him. |
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| 22:10.59 | thomasg__ | SpeedEvil, and they took the first both production runs with them |
| 22:11.07 | runishe_ | aloril: ahhhhh. Cool! thx |
| 22:12.36 | thomasg__ | why can't the release gta03 with opengl/es, the >600 mhz cortex a8, and 3g? :) |
| 22:12.46 | thomasg__ | wanna have it now! :) |
| 22:13.00 | Mortimus | how long have you waited already? |
| 22:14.01 | thomasg__ | well, on the neo: for months :) |
| 22:14.14 | SpeedEvil | I've been waiting since 1972, when I, as part of a crack commando unit, was sent to prison for a crime we did not commit. |
| 22:14.16 | thomasg__ | but for the first time, gta01 would be ok for me :) |
| 22:14.47 | Mortimus | whats another day |
| 22:14.48 | runishe_ | me too...my current phone is almost broken, but i keep taping it together, to wait it out for the Neo |
| 22:14.55 | Mortimus | i mean it still has to ship |
| 22:15.24 | thomasg__ | Mortimus, currently we are not waiting for the device, we are awaiting the news :) |
| 22:15.36 | Mortimus | or are you going to have it same day / overnight delivery |
| 22:15.54 | don-o | SpeedEvil: if you've got a celluar problem, and noone else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire, the Sean-team. |
| 22:15.57 | Mortimus | It has been a while since i read real news |
| 22:16.22 | thomasg__ | on the 20th of june sean wrote to the list, that there will be "real" news within a week |
| 22:16.38 | don-o | the run is 500 units right? i wonder if that will sell out right away, or if the only people who really want one are the dozen or so in this channel. |
| 22:16.56 | SpeedEvil | The first run was 500, another run of 500 was planned |
| 22:16.58 | Mortimus | foreshadowing creates suspense |
| 22:17.09 | Lorphos | gta02 is quite tempting i think many people will wait for it |
| 22:17.18 | SpeedEvil | I've not heard concrete news about the second run, but the furst run at least got partway through. |
| 22:18.18 | thomasg__ | I'm also looking forward to see a efl-based gui |
| 22:18.55 | thomasg__ | and even if I'm not a good programmer, I'd like to write some etk-apps :) |
| 22:19.07 | SpeedEvil | I'm looking forward to applying the analog devices sample I've applied for. |
| 22:19.20 | SpeedEvil | For a non-contact joystick |
| 22:19.34 | thomasg__ | SpeedEvil, non-contact joystick? |
| 22:19.52 | SpeedEvil | a joystick that senses finger position through the case |
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| 22:20.14 | thomasg__ | speedevil: how should that work? |
| 22:20.21 | thomasg__ | optical? heat? |
| 22:20.26 | SpeedEvil | Capacitance. |
| 22:20.43 | SpeedEvil | There are nice chips from analog devices for it. |
| 22:21.15 | thomasg__ | a additional inputdevice would be useful. imho touchscreen only is not enough |
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| 22:22.00 | thomasg__ | hope to read some news by you on the hardware mailinglist soon :) |
| 22:23.44 | LuitvD | counter says within 0.6 days at most... |
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| 22:31.54 | Mortimus | question is the backlight for the screen EL panel or led deflection? |
| 22:32.08 | SpeedEvil | LED |
| 22:32.13 | SpeedEvil | deflection? |
| 22:32.51 | Mortimus | you need a deflection grid to disperse the light through out the screen |
| 22:32.59 | SpeedEvil | IIRC the backlight is on the order of .3-.4W |
| 22:33.10 | SpeedEvil | diffuser is the common term |
| 22:33.22 | Mortimus | correct |
| 22:33.53 | thomasg__ | LuitvD, yes, thats correct, the week that sean was speaking of is over in 18h :) |
| 22:34.20 | LuitvD | yeh, which is too bad if he doesn't open his mouth within those 18 hours |
| 22:36.49 | LuitvD | I'm concidering a Neo again... every other nice phone is more expensive... |
| 22:42.06 | SpeedEvil | To be actually correct - it's 17 hours, I think. |
| 22:42.26 | SpeedEvil | (though it is a meaningless correction) |
| 22:43.17 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - I may be being confused by DST |
| 22:43.27 | thomasg__ | SpeedEvil, 17.5h now :) |
| 22:44.53 | LuitvD | more like ... |
| 22:45.00 | LuitvD | now |
| 22:45.03 | LuitvD | XD |
| 22:46.25 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - hehe. You know, why all those timezone stuff was invented a few hundred years ago, at least according to one story? Because the noble people wanted to show, how they control everything, even the time. ;o) |
| 22:47.10 | LuitvD | time zones were created because of trains, and other fast transportations |
| 22:47.13 | don-o | only 4,300 revs left to go, at 31 revs a minute. :) |
| 22:47.35 | Elrond | LuitvD - I'm talking of the time before trains. |
| 22:47.49 | LuitvD | Elrond: before that there were no time zones... |
| 22:48.13 | LuitvD | before trains, there was local time for every city |
| 22:48.50 | LuitvD | defined by the lattitude (or is it longitude? ) of the place |
| 22:49.17 | Elrond | LuitvD - Well, the nobles tried to play with the time. |
| 22:49.50 | Elrond | LuitvD - And I meant "timezone" more in a wider sense. |
| 22:50.04 | LuitvD | scientists too... hell, the greek did it, even the ancient egypt has recordings of timedifference |
| 22:50.37 | ynezz | in tossug talk they mention, that OM have ~3.900 mailing list subscribers, this could mean 3.900 potentional P1 buyers |
| 22:50.55 | Elrond | hehe. |
| 22:50.57 | Elrond | I doubt that. |
| 22:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Handy way to remember - it's the longitude problem, not the latitude problem, and it was solved by making an accurate clock. |
| 22:51.31 | SpeedEvil | So longitude must be on the rotational axes. |
| 22:51.42 | SpeedEvil | around the rotational axes. |
| 22:51.57 | ynezz | Elrond: well even if it's half the number... |
| 22:52.12 | Elrond | ynezz - Yeah. |
| 22:56.54 | ynezz | i hope, that they'll sell one neo per person or better per city :D |
| 22:58.08 | Elrond | ynezz - Huh? |
| 22:59.05 | ynezz | what if somebody buy more than one neo... |
| 22:59.08 | ynezz | :) |
| 23:00.15 | balrog-kun | then he can make calls to himself and talk to himself on the phone, yay |
| 23:00.48 | LuitvD | or use one, and 'will it blend?' the other... |
| 23:01.21 | balrog-kun | or learn juggling the Neos |
| 23:01.34 | balrog-kun | then when he advances he can get another one |
| 23:02.03 | Elrond | *G* |
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| 23:02.25 | LuitvD | I bet I can learn to juggle 3 Neos without killing one... |
| 23:02.48 | mjr | ...over a nice soft foam table |
| 23:02.49 | balrog-kun | i could juggle them just fine if they aren't mine |
| 23:03.22 | LuitvD | (as long as the objects aren't sharp or hot, or cold... or slippery |
| 23:03.26 | LuitvD | or sticky |
| 23:03.39 | LuitvD | or too heavy |
| 23:03.41 | LuitvD | XD |
| 23:03.47 | SpeedEvil | Hey - with the accelerometer in it, you could add a juggling tutorial! :) |
| 23:03.53 | LuitvD | lol |
| 23:03.56 | balrog-kun | or in plasma state |
| 23:03.57 | mjr | SpeedEvil, excellent! |
| 23:03.59 | LuitvD | damn, never thought of that |
| 23:04.17 | mjr | "Come on then, gimme some more spin" |
| 23:04.17 | LuitvD | really great idea SpeedEvil, creating accelerometer-juggling-balls |
| 23:04.52 | LuitvD | mjr: "Damn it, do you think I like being dropped?" :) |
| 23:04.53 | Mortimus | I wish i had the accelerometer phase back in physics |
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| 23:05.41 | LuitvD | 8 hours of work to do tomorrow |
| 23:05.45 | LuitvD | gotta be fresh... |
| 23:06.01 | LuitvD | (or else I won't get my money) :P |
| 23:07.28 | Mortimus | can the user choose the filesystem for / or what is the default FS for / |
| 23:08.05 | mjr | the internal flash |
| 23:08.24 | Mortimus | yes |
| 23:08.26 | mjr | oh, sorry, you didn't mean that |
| 23:08.30 | mjr | jffs2 |
| 23:08.57 | mjr | (and of course you can flash anything there that you can make work ;) |
| 23:09.11 | mjr | though you do realize that you can't use a normal disk filesystem on the flash? |
| 23:09.16 | balrog-kun | you can have a different FS, but jffs2 is the best idea at the moment |
| 23:10.00 | SpeedEvil | For the SD, you can use anything, umsdos, ... |
| 23:10.10 | Mortimus | well i was reading about the pitfalls of NAND and the write life consideration |
| 23:10.20 | mjr | yeah; something like logfs might take over eventually, but jffs2 seems it now |
| 23:10.25 | balrog-kun | nfs, gmailfs |
| 23:10.49 | mjr | SpeedEvil, I thought umsdos was dropped from mainline, though I suppose you could patch it in :] |
| 23:11.05 | Elrond | HUh, it was dropped?! |
| 23:11.18 | Elrond | It worked nicely in the 1.0.x days. |
| 23:12.25 | Elrond | mjr - Well, you could use xfs on top of mtdblock. But it would be a very stupid idea. |
| 23:12.43 | mjr | "please kill my phone now" |
| 23:13.03 | Mortimus | you have insurance? |
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| 23:16.34 | SpeedEvil | http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/Ymdar/Motivator/igod.jpg Only really works if you've done the RPG thing. |
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| 23:34.24 | don-o | Elrond: im at 3,255/5,906 revs. whoho. |
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