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| 02:25.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] |
| 02:35.46 | aevin | i edited it. |
| 02:40.18 | mickey_fic | morning |
| 02:42.06 | rwhitby | morning mickey_fic |
| 02:42.25 | rwhitby | it's nice to see you in a roughly similar timezone :-) |
| 02:42.58 | mickey_fic | hehe, yeah |
| 02:43.02 | mickey_fic | what |
| 02:43.05 | mickey_fic | 's your time? |
| 02:43.15 | rwhitby | 12:10pm - lunch :-) |
| 02:44.16 | mickey_fic | ah -- interesting. so just one hour away |
| 02:44.39 | rwhitby | yep |
| 02:44.53 | rwhitby | hmm - you're not on a :30 timezone too are you? |
| 02:45.05 | mickey_fic | no, 10:45 here |
| 02:45.14 | mickey_fic | i didnt know these exist |
| 02:45.15 | mickey_fic | funny |
| 02:45.20 | rwhitby | right - 1:30 difference |
| 02:45.34 | mickey_fic | regarding OE and OpenMoko, did you see my plans in #oe? |
| 02:46.04 | rwhitby | no, when was that (I'll check the logs) |
| 02:46.14 | mickey_fic | nevermind. i restate here: so the plan is to feed everything non-intrusive back into .dev in the next 2 weeks. |
| 02:46.23 | mickey_fic | then test a bit |
| 02:46.26 | mickey_fic | and branch off |
| 02:46.37 | rwhitby | a real monotone branch? |
| 02:46.38 | mickey_fic | syncing regularly and giving some OE folks access to the OM branch |
| 02:46.46 | mickey_fic | yes, a monotone branch |
| 02:47.00 | mickey_fic | to enable us throwing patches forth and back |
| 02:47.15 | rwhitby | nod |
| 02:47.30 | rwhitby | has the patch throwing between branches been tested by anyone? |
| 02:47.45 | mickey_fic | yes, i think hrw has some experience with that from the oz354 days |
| 02:48.02 | rwhitby | bbiab - sounds good so far |
| 02:48.07 | mickey_fic | bon appetit :) |
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| 06:25.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/nl]] |
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| 07:05.56 | yukito | any word on the shipping date? |
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| 07:15.52 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:16.04 | empty_mind | good morning Hopscotch |
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| 07:21.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2245 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-libs: add MokoBanner |
| 07:21.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2246 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ChangeLog: update |
| 07:22.12 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, |
| 07:22.49 | empty_mind | Sufflope, |
| 07:22.52 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, |
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| 07:23.25 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, have the git thing ready |
| 07:23.44 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, read the docs and tutorials properly |
| 07:24.26 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, sure...doing that |
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| 07:31.39 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:51.10 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 08:03.31 | darmou | Will there be a 3g release of OpenMoko? anything lower than 3g is being phased out in Australia:( |
| 08:05.20 | koen | darmou: openmoko is software |
| 08:06.12 | darmou | Sry the Neo1973 is what I meant |
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| 08:07.02 | k|to | counter! |
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| 08:10.23 | CM | darmou: I'm sure FIC will release a 3G phone eventually, but it won't be the Neo |
| 08:10.54 | bedboi | counter |
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| 08:12.40 | rwhitby | darmou: gsm/gprs is not being phased out in Australia. |
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| 08:12.55 | rwhitby | I only have 2G phones, and I expect to be using them for at least 5 years |
| 08:13.16 | darmou | I thought Telstra was going to a completly 3g network and 3 hutchenson already is? |
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| 08:13.24 | bedboi | rwhitby: the fact is that 2G is really a mess. |
| 08:13.41 | darmou | I thought only Optus and Vodaphone were not 3g right now |
| 08:14.01 | rwhitby | darmou: the only 3g-only operator is '3' |
| 08:14.03 | bedboi | vodafone iirc got 3g |
| 08:14.09 | rwhitby | everyone else has both 2 and 3 |
| 08:14.12 | bedboi | yep |
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| 08:18.52 | koen | see http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/06/14/first-week-in-taipei/ |
| 08:19.16 | rwhitby | darmou: it's the same as the australian government saying that analog tvs will be phased out by 2008 - it ain't gonna happen |
| 08:19.35 | CM | It's phased out here already.. (.se) |
| 08:19.52 | koen | analog air broadcast is gone here as well |
| 08:20.10 | koen | analog cable is still there, but that's privatised |
| 08:20.20 | darmou | koen but do you have HD tv in Europe? |
| 08:20.41 | darmou | Digital TV rocks I watch it on my computer |
| 08:20.52 | CM | darmou: We do, but only pay channels. The state tv here has just started to record in HD. |
| 08:20.59 | koen | if you pay for it or hang a satelite dish out of your window |
| 08:21.06 | rwhitby | digital and analogue will coexist in australia for quite some time, just like 2g and 3g will coexist |
| 08:21.37 | CM | rwhitby: It's always like that; old tech is kept longer than people expect |
| 08:21.42 | rwhitby | the phase-out dates just keep getting pushed further and further out. |
| 08:21.43 | CM | IPv6... |
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| 08:22.04 | darmou | Hey I want an ISP to provide IPv6:( |
| 08:22.10 | darmou | Have to tunnel atm |
| 08:22.16 | bedboi | nobody uses IPv6 :) |
| 08:22.37 | darmou | bedboi, perhaps because noone is providing it? chicken and egg |
| 08:22.42 | CM | Unfortunately.. I'd really like it for mobile stuff, and roaming actually works |
| 08:23.13 | darmou | I want real autoconfig and a real network not NAT |
| 08:23.30 | rwhitby | darmou: but back to your original question - one would expect there would need to be a 3G capable phone running OpenMoko within a year. |
| 08:23.39 | CM | Isn't china ipv6 everywhere? |
| 08:23.41 | darmou | rwhitby, thanks |
| 08:23.45 | rwhitby | whether or not FIC produces it is another matter :-) |
| 08:23.47 | koen | openmoko runs on the htc-universal |
| 08:24.00 | koen | which is a 3g fridge that can make calls |
| 08:24.32 | mickey_fic | i agree. we're going to find us 3g hardware within 18 months. |
| 08:24.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
| 08:24.59 | rwhitby | darmou: there you go - you don't get a more official answer than from mickey_fic :-) |
| 08:25.30 | darmou | mickey_fic, rwhitby really cool:) |
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| 08:35.16 | buz | so will we hear anything about those mysterious new devices this summer? |
| 08:35.21 | buz | whereas summer ends in august ;) |
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| 08:49.56 | thresh | make qemu doesnt have a check for zlib-devel |
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| 08:55.38 | thresh | how long does make flash-qemu-local lasts? |
| 08:55.49 | thresh | i've a pretty decent CPU, c2d 1.8 |
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| 08:58.00 | LuitvD | counter |
| 08:58.01 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 03:01:59 (4.126±4.0 days) (1461;229) |
| 08:58.34 | LuitvD | meh, I'm glad graduation's counter doesn't bungie back and forth like this one |
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| 09:00.08 | Vitaly | counter |
| 09:00.08 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 02:59:51 (4.125±4.0 days) (1462;229) |
| 09:01.55 | LuitvD | aloril: why do you guess the HXD8 doesn't have GSM? |
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| 09:04.39 | LuitvD | aloril: I think that looking at the gpio.txt makes it quite clear it does feature a GSM module at least |
| 09:05.06 | koen | LuitvD: "it's not a phone" is what I heard |
| 09:05.22 | koen | also note that the gpio.txt is a copy of the gta01 one |
| 09:08.17 | thresh | U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. |
| 09:08.22 | thresh | how can i "fix" it ? |
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| 09:12.22 | hrw | thresh: dfu-util? |
| 09:12.48 | thresh | eh? that's make flash-qemu-local or something |
| 09:13.00 | hrw | ah.. then no idea |
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| 09:15.23 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 02:44:36 (4.114±4.0 days) (1463;229) |
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| 09:35.47 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:36.42 | woglinde | hi steph |
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| 10:06.18 | nobody96 | moin |
| 10:06.58 | nobody96 | i again have a compiling error |
| 10:07.14 | nobody96 | this time located in the openmoko-libs package |
| 10:07.52 | mickey_fic | ... |
| 10:08.00 | nobody96 | jepp |
| 10:08.35 | CM | nobody96: Looked in bugzilla to see if it's a known bug? |
| 10:09.21 | nobody96 | dont find any building issues |
| 10:09.57 | mickey_fic | would you care to tell us more details? |
| 10:10.31 | nobody96 | im searching for a working pastebin already :) |
| 10:10.40 | woglinde | pastebin.ca? |
| 10:12.08 | nobody96 | http://pastebin.ca/566129 |
| 10:12.53 | nobody96 | with MACHINE = "fic-gta01" this time |
| 10:13.19 | nobody96 | woglinde, nearly forgott to thank you :) |
| 10:13.46 | woglinde | nonody no prob |
| 10:13.59 | mickey_fic | nobody96: fixed. thanks |
| 10:14.12 | nobody96 | cool :) |
| 10:14.43 | nobody96 | next time i should set my locales to C fist |
| 10:14.57 | woglinde | makefile dependcy error |
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| 10:15.23 | nobody96 | moko-banner.lo, right? |
| 10:15.34 | woglinde | yes |
| 10:15.39 | mickey_fic | i forgot to checkin the new moko-banner files |
| 10:15.45 | mickey_fic | they're in now |
| 10:15.45 | nobody96 | slowly i learn how to find the bugs |
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| 10:16.07 | nobody96 | maybee i will also learn to fix them my self |
| 10:16.12 | nobody96 | but im not used to c |
| 10:16.15 | mickey_fic | yeah! :) |
| 10:16.36 | woglinde | hm its not c actually |
| 10:16.41 | woglinde | only autotools |
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| 10:17.31 | nobody96 | ok, i widen it to c and friends |
| 10:17.54 | nobody96 | im only used to java and therefore ant |
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| 10:18.24 | nobody96 | CM, i dont think it will bite us :) |
| 10:21.53 | nobody96 | it works. thanks :) |
| 10:22.14 | woglinde | cm autotools rock unfortnatly most of the developers dont take a 30 minute course to understand the conecpts |
| 10:23.21 | CM | woglinde: I know, and I should really sit down and go though that stuff. Even printed a tutorial for it, just never got started. :) |
| 10:24.00 | woglinde | cm that resulst in crude thinks like patching Makefile.in |
| 10:25.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[See_GpsTracker]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Input_Method]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 10:28.21 | nobody96 | i nearly jump out of my chair everytime qemu plays the startup sound |
| 10:28.50 | nobody96 | is there any way to get this fixed or is this a known and yet unfixed bug? |
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| 10:29.56 | stefan_schmidt | nobody96: Plying the startup-sound is a feature not a bug :) |
| 10:30.14 | woglinde | *g* |
| 10:30.23 | nobody96 | but here it sounds like cat /vmlinux > /dev/dsp |
| 10:31.38 | woglinde | lol |
| 10:31.56 | k|to | nobody96: that is the best description of a sound I've ever seen written out! ;-P |
| 10:32.18 | thresh | yeah, "listen to your heart^Wkernel" |
| 10:33.04 | mickey_fic | heh |
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| 10:37.04 | nobody96 | btw. i think the dialer shouldnt look like this http://blueboot.org/qemu-dialer.jpg |
| 10:37.46 | nobody96 | or am i wrong? |
| 10:37.56 | mickey_fic | uh fun |
| 10:38.01 | mickey_fic | how did you manage to get this? |
| 10:38.23 | nobody96 | make update setup openmoko-devel-image flash-qemu-local run-qemu |
| 10:39.21 | schurig | nobody96: what is this black "slot" at the right side for? |
| 10:39.33 | pH5 | mickey_fic: thomas did something to it in reaction to bug #600. |
| 10:39.47 | mickey_fic | pH5: hmm, yeah. sounds like the |
| 10:39.49 | nobody96 | there have been buttons |
| 10:39.53 | mickey_fic | 'fix' doesnt quite cut it |
| 10:40.04 | nobody96 | but i think they are misplaced now |
| 10:40.17 | mickey_fic | is this broken for anyone else? |
| 10:40.39 | pH5 | I think he removed the fixed button sizes and changed the icons to stock icons (which don't show up here for some reason). |
| 10:40.44 | rwhitby-n800 | I thought that might be where you swipe your credit card - |
| 10:41.05 | mickey_fic | heh, looks likeit |
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| 10:42.14 | nobody96 | wouldnt be a good idear to ram a creditkard in the display of your longly awaited fic |
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| 10:43.18 | rwhitby-n800 | Couldn't hurt it more than when I dropped mine on pavement ... |
| 10:44.22 | nobody96 | rwhitby-n800, and, is the case as though as i thougt? |
| 10:44.37 | rwhitby-n800 | (Just a couple of scratches on the case - still works fine. |
| 10:44.43 | nobody96 | nice |
| 10:45.46 | rwhitby-n800 | The aux button had to be reseated due to the case popping open a bit at that end. |
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| 10:46.37 | nobody96 | when i get my hands on one it will hopefully take a bit longer than it took my x40 to look like its looking today |
| 10:47.00 | nobody96 | but my hardware gets the "worked with" look really fast |
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| 11:01.28 | Elrond | Huh, falsches Fenster. |
| 11:01.29 | Elrond | tihi... the new button sizes make entering numbers way more easier. ;o) |
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| 11:02.49 | hrw|gone | Elrond: but del/history/call buttons are scary |
| 11:03.24 | Elrond | hrw - Who needs them anyway? ;o))) |
| 11:03.43 | hrw|gone | ;D |
| 11:03.50 | hrw | re |
| 11:05.43 | Vegar | Elrond: new button sizes? |
| 11:05.48 | Vegar | Elrond: can we have screenshots? |
| 11:06.30 | Elrond | Vegar - Not from me: http://blueboot.org/qemu-dialer.jpg |
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| 11:07.01 | Vegar | uhm.. |
| 11:07.01 | Vegar | ok |
| 11:07.15 | Vegar | hehe |
| 11:08.12 | Elrond | hrw - hrw - Can you try a "nand lock status" in u-boot after freshly powering up a Bv3 (*4) and see, if it scrolls like mad for you too? |
| 11:12.48 | hrw | it is but it is what it has to do rather |
| 11:13.00 | hrw | it checks page after page on my bv4 |
| 11:13.24 | Elrond | Right, but on my Bv3 all pages are different. Some are "LOCK TIGHT UNLOCK" even. |
| 11:13.34 | Elrond | ... some are UNLOCK, etc. |
| 11:14.50 | hrw | hm |
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| 11:25.22 | Elrond | hrw - Same for you? |
| 11:26.31 | nobody96 | nox-Hand, wats the meaning of woot? |
| 11:27.01 | k|to | nobody96: haha |
| 11:27.09 | nox-Hand | nobody96: It's a lame idea made by some gamers - a sort of battle cry, but now it is mainly used as a "yay/wohoo" exclaimation. |
| 11:27.44 | nobody96 | im not used to the l33t stuff |
| 11:27.52 | nox-Hand | nobody96: Soo, the term woot also starts conversation ;) |
| 11:27.56 | nox-Hand | See* |
| 11:28.34 | nox-Hand | nobody96: good, steer clear of "1337 5p34k" please ;) It's annoying :] |
| 11:28.46 | nobody96 | looks a bit like monty pythons explanation of f**k |
| 11:28.47 | nox-Hand | woot is just social :D |
| 11:29.20 | Vegar | I believe woot origins from the word what |
| 11:29.22 | nobody96 | put it all together, woot can mean anything |
| 11:29.31 | nobody96 | k |
| 11:29.45 | nox-Hand | Hmn, subject change perhaps? ;-) |
| 11:29.56 | nobody96 | ok |
| 11:30.22 | nox-Hand | CM: What the hell is Nox? O_o |
| 11:30.25 | Vegar | "w00t, w00T or WOOT — First two express exuberance, the latter is a backronym for the term 'We Own the Other Team'" |
| 11:30.26 | CM | Have to see if I can find that old game |
| 11:30.51 | nobody96 | Vegar, thx |
| 11:30.51 | CM | nox-Hand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nox_(computer_game) |
| 11:31.05 | nobody96 | i completly forgott the jargon file |
| 11:31.54 | nox-Hand | CM: In a terminal, no browser ;) |
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| 11:32.56 | CM | nox-Hand: Ok. A Diablo2-style linear rpg from Westwood in 2000 |
| 11:33.21 | nox-Hand | Right :) Thanks |
| 11:33.45 | nox-Hand | CM: I have been playing Sonic The Hedgehog 3 lately ;) |
| 11:33.51 | nox-Hand | For the Sega Megadrive |
| 11:34.34 | nobody96 | nox-Hand, try lynx |
| 11:34.38 | nobody96 | works fine |
| 11:34.43 | nox-Hand | nobody96: I use links2 :] |
| 11:34.52 | nox-Hand | But I have too much to do, should not be here, really |
| 11:34.54 | nobody96 | even better |
| 11:35.22 | nox-Hand | I have a physics book to read (exam tomorrow) a room+bathroom to clear up and I gotta mow the lawn >_< |
| 11:35.38 | nox-Hand | So.. I get back to work =) |
| 11:35.59 | nox-Hand | Laters Mokoheads! =)) |
| 11:36.19 | SpeedEvil | nox-Hand: If you want - you could add more numbers to [[accelerometer fundamentals]] :) |
| 11:36.21 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
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| 11:38.08 | nox-Hand | +_o |
| 11:40.00 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: the Neo1973 doesn't have an accelerometer does it? o_O |
| 11:40.10 | Vegar | not yet |
| 11:40.18 | nox-Hand | Vegar: didn't think so |
| 11:40.23 | nox-Hand | This is what rocks about this project |
| 11:40.33 | nox-Hand | "We don't have this in our phones.. let's add it! =D" |
| 11:40.38 | Vegar | GTA02 apparently has accelerometers |
| 11:41.24 | nox-Hand | \o/ |
| 11:41.35 | nox-Hand | Vegar: be back later - really gotta get back to work |
| 11:41.43 | Vegar | enjoy |
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| 12:03.53 | buz | any word on the QA progress yet? |
| 12:04.39 | Sup3rkiddo | buz, i am right, 150 out of 200 had the green signal |
| 12:05.00 | buz | i meant the run after that |
| 12:05.05 | buz | (or maybe i'm confused) |
| 12:05.26 | buz | LaF0rge said he'd do QA himself this week |
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| 12:08.23 | aloril | buz: yesterday and today |
| 12:08.25 | kiney | counter |
| 12:08.26 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 23:55:47 (3.997±4.0 days) (1464;229) |
| 12:08.37 | aloril | news maybe weekend |
| 12:08.40 | ynezz | 55 omg! |
| 12:08.42 | buz | oh ok |
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| 12:37.11 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 12:37.51 | DukeOfURL | I just read mickeyl's post--I wonder what they're up to in Taipei... |
| 12:40.51 | SpeedEvil | Wrap party? |
| 12:41.00 | SpeedEvil | (with shrink-wrap machines) |
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| 12:53.37 | DukeOfURL | Maybe building openmoko.com? |
| 12:53.40 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for |
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| 14:10.19 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:15.37 | DanC | do the developer phones that have shipped so far work as phones? i.e. do they interoperate with carriers? specifically, t-mobile? and specifically, GPRS internet traffic? |
| 14:16.21 | mjr | people have reported successfully calling and starting up a gprs connection with them |
| 14:16.39 | mjr | I don't have one, and apparently some firmwares have problems with calling still |
| 14:16.44 | mjr | versions, that is |
| 14:17.07 | DanC | early days indeed, then. |
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| 14:19.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973] |
| 14:19.52 | DanC | I've been doing some PDA/phone hacking here and there for about 10 years ( currently sidekick sync http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/palmagent/ and previously http://www.w3.org/Tools/pypsion/ ). and I do Web Architecture and standards for a living, and my sidekick 2 is showing it's age, and I'm doing research on a replacement ( http://del.icio.us/connolly/mobile+shopping ). |
| 14:21.02 | DanC | I almost plunked down for a new t-mobile dash/htc excalibur... I thought I could try both phones for a trial period, but no, the data plans are exclusive. |
| 14:24.27 | DanC | I'm sure interested in openmoko... I'm trying to decide if I can afford to get in at the developer level or if I should wait 6 months and join at the mass market stage. |
| 14:24.38 | DanC | afford the time/risk, that is |
| 14:25.10 | DanC | I totally rely on PDA calendar functionality. |
| 14:25.24 | DanC | depend, even |
| 14:25.58 | ynezz | with openmoko you can fix/add features yourself... |
| 14:26.28 | DanC | yes... the opensource tradeoff... where the other side is: you often have to fix/add features yourself. |
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| 14:27.04 | ynezz | for me it isn't tradeoff, but advantage |
| 14:27.46 | ynezz | and I don't think, that calendar will be crap/buggy |
| 14:28.01 | DanC | I'm purposefully multi-platform; for a while, my laptop was linux and my desktop was Windows NT; now my desktop is linux and my laptop is a mac. There are definitely advantages on both sides. |
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| 14:28.24 | DanC | I'm pretty hopeful/confident about a basic calendar, yeah. |
| 14:28.39 | DanC | and I'd be happy to hack on, say, openid auth for calendar subscription |
| 14:28.51 | ynezz | dates don't seem to me to be basic |
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| 14:29.03 | ynezz | or how that calendar app is called |
| 14:29.05 | DanC | indeed, timezone support on PDAs is non-trivial. |
| 14:29.38 | DanC | I'm still trying to figure out how timezones work on the sidekick, and I've been studying it for several years. |
| 14:29.59 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for |
| 14:33.05 | DanC | I wonder about price, too. carrier-subsidized prices are hard to resist. My sidekick was pretty much free after rebate... but more importantly, when I broke it, t-mobile only charged me $70 to replace it. I'm not sure I'm willing to carry around something that costs $350 to replace. |
| 14:33.19 | SpeedEvil | you can get insurance. |
| 14:33.24 | DanC | oh? |
| 14:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Or your home insurance may cover it. |
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| 14:33.35 | SpeedEvil | Check your policy. |
| 14:33.54 | DanC | I'm pertty sure the deductible on my homeowners policy is around $500. |
| 14:34.00 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 14:34.24 | DanC | is there some sort of insurance for the Neo devices? |
| 14:34.57 | sxpert-work | DanC: suppose you can get some separate insurance for the thing. |
| 14:35.12 | SpeedEvil | DanC: You can buy insurance for pretty much anything. |
| 14:35.13 | juco | DanC carrier subsidized prices are nice, but open platforms are nicer |
| 14:35.39 | juco | I have a Nokia 770, which costs as much as a cell phone, but doesn't have a cell radio |
| 14:35.47 | juco | and it isn't fully open |
| 14:35.54 | juco | but I still think its worth every penny |
| 14:36.25 | juco | compared to my laptop, its cheap |
| 14:36.44 | juco | do you have insurance on your laptop? |
| 14:36.52 | DanC | making phone calls from the car is an important use case for me, and that convinced me not to get a Nokia 770 |
| 14:37.04 | DanC | I don't own my laptop. my employer does. |
| 14:37.05 | juco | the 770 isn't a phone |
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| 14:37.20 | juco | the only "calls" it can make are VOIP |
| 14:37.22 | DanC | yes, I know the 770 isn't a phone. that's why I don't have one. |
| 14:37.45 | DanC | since going from 2 devices (pda + cellphone) to 1, I'm not likely to go back. |
| 14:38.05 | ynezz | DanC: http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html |
| 14:38.09 | juco | I wasn't recommending the 770, just pointing out that there is a lot of value in an open platform |
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| 14:38.39 | juco | which you won't be getting from a carrier subsidized device anytime soon |
| 14:38.47 | DanC | I'm all about open platforms. (I work for W3C). How have you used the openness of the 770? |
| 14:39.06 | juco | yes |
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| 14:40.14 | DanC | the communication service is part of the platform; I suppose we might have 802.11 everywhere in our lifetimes, but I'm not sure I see how that can work, economically. And the established carriers will, like the established music labels, not go down without a fight. |
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| 14:40.54 | ynezz | ads is a key |
| 14:41.45 | ynezz | ads driven society... |
| 14:41.57 | juco | sure, I'm just pointing out that the price of a 1973 seems small to me compared to the benefits it provides |
| 14:42.49 | DanC | ad-driven society... sorta depressing in one sense (http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/199405/msg00037.html ) but google style auctions bring a certain satisfying market efficiency. |
| 14:43.17 | juco | but if you are looking for your ultimate pda/phone combo, I can't imagine that a development model of anything would fit your needs |
| 14:43.21 | DanC | any particular benefits come to mind, juco? |
| 14:43.44 | DanC | the lack of a thumb keyboard is a pretty big issue for me. |
| 14:44.08 | juco | to me, unrestricted access to bluetooth is worth the price alone |
| 14:44.10 | DanC | yeah... the development models are tempting, but I probably can't afford the time to really go that route. |
| 14:44.39 | DanC | doesn't a typical blackberry or whatnot have unrestricted bluetooth? |
| 14:44.44 | juco | no |
| 14:44.58 | juco | blackberry requires code signing |
| 14:45.01 | juco | its not expensive |
| 14:45.02 | juco | $100 |
| 14:45.06 | DanC | really? interesting. I thought it was just the sidekick that had goofy bluetooth restrictions. |
| 14:45.26 | juco | but every app you put on has to be submitted for signing (its automated, but requires a windows application) |
| 14:45.48 | juco | isn't the sidekick windows mobile? |
| 14:45.54 | DanC | no |
| 14:46.01 | juco | oh, but the replacement is, right? |
| 14:46.07 | DanC | the sidekick has its own software platform, by danger |
| 14:46.19 | DanC | the t-mobile dash is windows mobile, yes |
| 14:46.20 | juco | windows mobile 6 should have working bluetooth apis from MS |
| 14:46.28 | juco | oh, right |
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| 14:46.55 | juco | older versions of windows mobile have widcom bluetooth stacks, or incomplete MS stacks |
| 14:46.56 | DanC | I got the impression that restrictions on software installation were mostly from the carriers. I don't see how openmoko can get around those. |
| 14:47.08 | juco | a widcomm stack requires very expensive windows only development tools |
| 14:47.27 | juco | they are most certainly not from the carriers |
| 14:47.39 | juco | well, that's not true |
| 14:47.59 | juco | they are from the carriers, but only as a condition as accepting their subsidized phones |
| 14:48.13 | juco | if you buy your own devices, the restrictions don't apply |
| 14:48.44 | juco | now, carriers like Verizon don't allow non Verizon devices on their network |
| 14:48.46 | DanC | hmm... I wonder about that... I can imagine the carrier might only provide a DHCP lease (or equivalent) to trusted phones. |
| 14:49.08 | juco | they could, but it would be a silly thing to do |
| 14:49.16 | juco | at least with GSM |
| 14:49.34 | DanC | anybody have direct experience with t-mobile and the Neo? |
| 14:49.38 | juco | one of the key benefits of GSM is that it provides strong network security |
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| 15:14.46 | alurdun__ | Is it normal for the make setup on the MokoMakefile to pause at 'openmoko/trunk/doc/design-documents-v2/OpenMoko top panel Footer and pulgins.doc |
| 15:15.10 | alurdun__ | Or, has it hung up on me? |
| 15:15.41 | SpeedEvil | DanC: uk? |
| 15:16.13 | juco | t-mobile has a UK presence? |
| 15:16.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 15:16.54 | SpeedEvil | I'm actually considering them for my Neo. |
| 15:17.09 | SpeedEvil | On pay-as-you-go, with 1 pound/day GPRS |
| 15:17.16 | LuitvD | our internet will be t-mobile soon... |
| 15:17.27 | LuitvD | 1 pound a day? :| |
| 15:17.28 | LuitvD | damn |
| 15:17.44 | juco | so you only pay on the days that you use it? |
| 15:17.44 | SpeedEvil | The cheapest GPRS I can find on contract is about 27 per month - total. |
| 15:17.49 | Placid | i'm with T-Mobile for my mobile phone |
| 15:17.51 | Placid | (in the UK here) |
| 15:17.54 | Placid | Good company IMO |
| 15:18.02 | LuitvD | here the cheapest HSDPA and lower contract is 10 bucks |
| 15:18.09 | LuitvD | euros that is |
| 15:18.14 | Placid | SpeedEvil: in the UK? |
| 15:18.20 | SpeedEvil | Placid: yes |
| 15:18.29 | SpeedEvil | Placid: so $50 or so. |
| 15:18.33 | SpeedEvil | (us) |
| 15:18.50 | LuitvD | 40 euros is a massive amount... |
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| 15:18.58 | Placid | SpeedEvil: i use T-Mobile for my mobile. they do a web 'n' walk (as you probably know). that's only 7.50 a month. i'm going to be using my t-mobile sim card in the neo |
| 15:19.18 | SpeedEvil | Placid: But that's only with a contract SIM |
| 15:19.20 | juco | wow, that's a nice price |
| 15:19.28 | SpeedEvil | So the total price is some 27/mo |
| 15:19.35 | juco | my contract is $130 US |
| 15:19.41 | juco | but that's two lines, and work pays for some of it |
| 15:19.45 | SpeedEvil | you can't add webnWalk to the 7.50/mo SIM only pay-monthly |
| 15:19.48 | Placid | juco: yes, subject to 2GB monthly data allowance however. |
| 15:19.58 | LuitvD | Placid: it's from 7,50 euros a month here |
| 15:19.59 | juco | that's still good |
| 15:20.00 | sxpert-work | stupid allowances from hell |
| 15:20.05 | Placid | SpeedEvil: ahh yes, sorry I forgot that part. i've had a contract phone for years now, so I forget. |
| 15:20.13 | Placid | I know, sxpert-work. I hate it too |
| 15:20.44 | juco | damn, I need to live in another country |
| 15:20.51 | juco | US cell companies are terrible |
| 15:21.03 | SpeedEvil | Placid: It works out so that if I use it less than 3 weeks in a month - or rather use it mobile internet for more than a few K, I can just buy days here and there. |
| 15:21.15 | sxpert-work | juco: there's no such thing as a "us cell company"... |
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| 15:21.43 | DanC | SpeedEvil, I'm a t-mobile U.S.A. customer. |
| 15:21.43 | Placid | SpeedEvil: using the t-mobile £1 a day thingy? |
| 15:21.47 | SpeedEvil | Placid: in a similar way, I've realised that instead of buying insurance for my second car (larger, used to do 'stuff' - it's possible to insure it by the day - and it's cheaper if it's not used >1/mo |
| 15:23.12 | juco | sxpert-work I'm not sure I follow that |
| 15:23.32 | Placid | DanC: heh |
| 15:23.35 | sxpert-work | juco: considering everyone and their mother uses a different system... |
| 15:23.51 | SpeedEvil | But 40M for a day, for a pound is not a terrible one. |
| 15:23.54 | sxpert-work | juco: you have a series of proprietary radio communications operators... |
| 15:23.55 | Placid | I assume the Neo will take any sim card regardless of company, right? |
| 15:24.04 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:24.04 | Placid | SpeedEvil: indeed. |
| 15:24.15 | sxpert-work | juco: and you have no chance of being able to use the neo there |
| 15:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Though not '3' - they blacklist GSM only phones. |
| 15:24.26 | juco | sxpert-work ? |
| 15:24.38 | juco | there is plenty of gsm coverage in the us |
| 15:24.38 | alurdun__ | Here in Canada, thru Rogers, 100MB a month costs CDN $100 |
| 15:24.49 | Elrond | Placid - Yes. Unless the company does REALLY bad things. |
| 15:24.51 | juco | some of it is 850 |
| 15:25.00 | sxpert-work | juco: I though all the rage was about EVDO and other crap |
| 15:25.06 | alurdun__ | We have the priciest data plans in the world, I believe. |
| 15:25.42 | sxpert-work | juco: last time I was there, it was either sprint PCS, verizon whatever it was, or nextel, all incompatible with each other and requiring different phones |
| 15:25.51 | alurdun__ | Which is why WiFi is a must-have for my day-to-day use handset. |
| 15:26.14 | Placid | SpeedEvil: really?! |
| 15:26.27 | juco | sxpert-work, the two largest cell companies in the US are AT&T (formally Cingular) and Verizon |
| 15:26.51 | juco | AT&T is GSM and WCDMA (UMTS HSDPA) |
| 15:26.56 | juco | Verizon is CDMA |
| 15:26.59 | Placid | alurdun__: me too |
| 15:27.10 | juco | and the the various evolutions of the (EVDO, etc) |
| 15:27.17 | juco | Verizon is worth than worthless |
| 15:27.23 | sxpert-work | so AT&T would be the only one that you'd be able to use with the neo, as I understand |
| 15:27.26 | juco | they only allow verizon phones |
| 15:27.40 | juco | there are other smaller GSM carriers |
| 15:27.47 | juco | T-Mobile USA for one |
| 15:28.02 | juco | they share towers |
| 15:28.04 | juco | suncom as well |
| 15:28.30 | juco | oh, the 1973 is quad band |
| 15:28.40 | juco | it should even work on the US only 850 band |
| 15:29.00 | DanC | AT&T and t-mobile share GSM towers? I wondered about that. |
| 15:29.05 | juco | yup |
| 15:29.05 | DanC | (in the US) |
| 15:29.40 | sxpert-work | juco: it's actually 5 bands, if you count wifi and bluetooth ;D |
| 15:29.42 | juco | though when bell south bought at&t the southern gsm towers went to suncom |
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| 15:30.16 | juco | but all the gsm carriers have some sort of tower sharing agreements |
| 15:30.18 | sxpert-work | juco: and that's not counting with American Towers buying the AT&T long lines towers for almost nothing |
| 15:31.02 | juco | I get so confused whenever the AT&T name comes up |
| 15:31.18 | juco | its changed hands to many times recently |
| 15:31.37 | juco | heh |
| 15:31.40 | juco | my new job |
| 15:32.00 | DanC | juco, I'm Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ , http://www.advogato.org/person/connolly/ , etc. |
| 15:32.36 | DanC | your new job? care to say more? sorry if I missed some clues. |
| 15:32.45 | sxpert-work | when will we get something like the "earth final conflict" globals :D |
| 15:33.03 | juco | oh, no, I don't mean to be evasive, I'm just not a very exciting person |
| 15:33.31 | juco | my new job is with a startup that develops software for mobile phones |
| 15:34.07 | juco | and since we make use of some features that the various carriers like to lock down on their subsidized phones, I have to pay a lot of attention to what's going on in the market |
| 15:34.35 | DanC | is this you, juco? http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/JoshuaVickery |
| 15:35.06 | sxpert-work | juco: providers in .eu are somewhat smarter about letting people do what they want with their phones |
| 15:35.20 | juco | yeah |
| 15:35.43 | juco | sxpert-work, I know, that's why I was complaining about us cell companies |
| 15:35.57 | sxpert-work | besides, simlocking is regulated at the eu level, and has to be lifted for free after 6months in the contract |
| 15:36.08 | juco | I almost went to an orange "developer camp" in the US (orange has no us presence) just to talk to more friendly carriers |
| 15:36.33 | sxpert-work | well, orange is the worst of the providers here |
| 15:36.53 | juco | sxpert-work, that doesn't mean that the carriers can't put feature locks on their phones |
| 15:37.02 | juco | sim-locking is the least of our concerns |
| 15:37.15 | DanC | does the W3C Mobile Web Initiative (http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ ) get any airtime around here, I wonder? I co-chair the new W3C HTML WG , and we're having a lively discussion about http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20070130/ |
| 15:37.16 | gamin | but orange is in the lips consortium... |
| 15:37.35 | gamin | they sponsor the gpe2 something phone stuff |
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| 15:38.12 | sxpert-work | gamin: I don't really like them, as they are France Telecom (incumbent operator from hell) |
| 15:38.17 | gamin | DanC: another one after OSDL, lips, limo, gpe2, last not eat openmoko? |
| 15:38.55 | gamin | sxpert-work: hmm, SFR is as bad and bouygues is even wors |
| 15:38.57 | gamin | e |
| 15:39.20 | sxpert-work | gamin: hmmm... |
| 15:39.51 | gamin | sxpert-work: and I'm living close to the italian border and am looking for those cheap contracts over there... |
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| 15:40.11 | DanC | OSDL... I think I know that one... I'll have to look up lips, limo, and gpe2. as to "after", the W3C mobile initiative started in 2005, i think |
| 15:40.23 | sxpert-work | gamin: well. I'm in Grenoble |
| 15:40.53 | gamin | sxpert-work: you are not by any chance into openstreetmap? |
| 15:40.58 | sxpert-work | gamin: I am |
| 15:41.19 | sxpert-work | one of the main contributors even |
| 15:41.57 | gamin | sxpert-work: well, the neo shall give a good boost to it |
| 15:42.05 | sxpert-work | yes. |
| 15:42.52 | sxpert-work | I'm eagerly waiting on the neo as I have a commercial venture coming up that would marry OSM and openmoko |
| 15:44.14 | mjr | they need to get married |
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| 15:44.53 | mjr | what's your business model, will the software be free? |
| 15:44.57 | sxpert-work | mjr: obviously |
| 15:45.16 | DanC | ah... while looking for web browser info, I see t-mobile listed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers#United_States |
| 15:45.28 | sxpert-work | mjr: yes, software will be free. it's a vertical app for a package shuffling company |
| 15:46.19 | DanC | hmm... interesting... expat, not libxml , in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMokoFramework |
| 15:46.29 | mjr | good |
| 15:46.48 | DanC | er... actually, libxml2 is there too. |
| 15:46.53 | sxpert-work | good ! |
| 15:47.01 | sxpert-work | expat is evil :D |
| 15:47.41 | DanC | I don't have strong feelings for or against expat, but I assumed space would be an issue on a mobile device, and it seems odd to have 2 XML parsers in the core. |
| 15:48.40 | sxpert-work | anything gnome relies on libxml2/ |
| 15:50.17 | DanC | hmm... very interesting question/issue... "it might be better to connect to the Internet via GPRS, to avoid breaking longrunning TCP connections?" . The sidekick IM application manages mobility very well. The web brower tries but fails frustratingly often. |
| 15:51.07 | DanC | ah... found the web browser info. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo |
| 15:51.18 | DanC | "It features full AJAX support and other goodies." |
| 15:51.57 | sxpert-work | minimo is a version of mozilla |
| 15:52.40 | DanC | right |
| 15:53.27 | sxpert-work | heh |
| 15:54.07 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone getting errors about libxosd not getting satisfied...while doing the make openmoko-devel-image |
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| 15:54.51 | DanC | hmm... no minimo daily binaries either. |
| 15:54.55 | njpatel | Sup3rkiddo: its something new in libmokoui (moko-banner) |
| 15:55.27 | Sup3rkiddo | njpatel, yeah, could see that...but i have updated my tree.. |
| 15:58.06 | Sup3rkiddo | no wonder the recipe aint there..lol |
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| 16:02.35 | PBeck | servus |
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| 16:07.36 | kiney | counter |
| 16:07.36 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 21:56:11 (3.914±3.9 days) (1466;228) |
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| 16:17.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead_protocol]] [[User:Skull_Death]] |
| 16:19.33 | PBeck | no release from P1 :/ I have hoped for this week :/ |
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| 16:30.37 | don-o | PBeck: ive managed to kick the waiting-for-P1 habit. |
| 16:31.33 | don-o | it'll come when its ready. (chant ommmmmmmmmmm :) |
| 16:31.42 | PBeck | hrhr |
| 16:32.57 | PBeck | don-o: the devices are finished and i heard no negative statement |
| 16:33.09 | PBeck | i hope the inform us about news |
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| 16:36.07 | PBeck | *they |
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| 16:38.01 | pjz | apparently there's some kind of company reorg going down |
| 16:38.23 | pjz | and claims that once it's done there will be 'more resources' available |
| 16:39.00 | PBeck | pjz: ah ok |
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| 16:50.34 | don-o | pjz: company=FIC? |
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| 16:53.02 | juco | DanC, I have minimo on my 770 |
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| 17:02.26 | Mandarino | counter |
| 17:02.26 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 21:28:47 (3.895±3.9 days) (1467;228) |
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| 17:36.30 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps any week now <> Mass market perhaps in 6 months or more. |
| 17:37.07 | cheesy | counter |
| 17:37.08 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 21:11:26 (3.883±3.9 days) (1468;228) |
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| 17:37.27 | nox-Hand | cheesy: whats counter tell is? :) |
| 17:37.36 | nox-Hand | *looks at link* |
| 17:38.15 | buz | nox-Hand: best guess is probably 350$ as well |
| 17:38.23 | buz | i think there was something about mass market having that price, too |
| 17:38.47 | aloril2 | pjz: January would have been without bluetooth and buggy (IIRC it took until February (some cable problem)) |
| 17:38.51 | buz | it would be suicide to sell a first gen device for much more |
| 17:38.54 | cheesy | nox-Hand: this is a uncertain guess when we can buy the phone |
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| 17:39.13 | nox-Hand | cheesy: 3 days? :P |
| 17:39.23 | cheesy | uncertain and unofficial |
| 17:39.26 | nox-Hand | cheesy: Thing is, I don't have cash for it :P |
| 17:39.42 | nox-Hand | cheesy: So I am considering wheter I should not just wait for the mass market edition |
| 17:39.47 | nox-Hand | since it'll have more gear |
| 17:39.51 | nox-Hand | and I will have cash for it |
| 17:39.52 | nox-Hand | :-\ |
| 17:39.53 | cheesy | nox-Hand: then let|s go to work ;) |
| 17:40.19 | buz | http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/BAaf/~3/124789188/20070614-semiconductor-industry-association-slashes-growth-predictions-for-2007.html |
| 17:40.26 | nox-Hand | cheesy: Go to work? |
| 17:40.29 | nox-Hand | With getting cash? :D |
| 17:40.34 | buz | uhm somehow flash got much cheaper than just 35% year on year |
| 17:40.45 | nox-Hand | I owe money for a holiday I am going on this summer :( |
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| 17:42.01 | cheesy | nox-Hand: so this seems like a priority thing...holiday or a "free" phone |
| 17:44.07 | nox-Hand | cheesy: I already paid the holiday |
| 17:44.15 | nox-Hand | And owe money for it still |
| 17:44.18 | DukeOfURL | Has anyone read the latest on iPhone / AT&T? Seems AT&T isn't going to allow an "open" phone. |
| 17:44.19 | nox-Hand | Six weeks in Australia |
| 17:45.04 | nox-Hand | cheesy: Owe away about 1800 which I borrowed off my parents ::-\ |
| 17:45.11 | nox-Hand | USD |
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| 17:45.24 | cheesy | nox-Hand: then have fun in Australia |
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| 17:46.06 | aloril2 | 0-almost 8 days is current guess: this assumes QA did go OK and they can start selling next week |
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| 17:48.29 | nox-Hand | cheesy: Cheers =D |
| 17:48.38 | cheesy | is there a number how many units they have? (i remember one was 500 another 1000) |
| 17:48.45 | nox-Hand | Will probably digg in to my car license savings to get the Moko :) |
| 17:49.12 | cheesy | nox-Hand: then have fun walking |
| 17:50.05 | nox-Hand | cheesy: That too :) |
| 17:52.07 | nox-Hand | cheesy: I already have more than nuff though ;) |
| 17:52.14 | nox-Hand | For license that is |
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| 18:05.48 | DukeOfURL | nox-Hand: it isn't summer in Australia... they have snow. |
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| 18:10.13 | baird- | We just had a big-arse flood in my area of Australia... |
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| 18:13.52 | nox-Hand | DukeOfURL: I doubt snow, but I know it's winter |
| 18:14.08 | nox-Hand | baird- Yeah, I heard :-\ |
| 18:14.12 | nox-Hand | How'd you guys cope with that? |
| 18:14.59 | DukeOfURL | nox-Hand: http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Heavy-snow-falls-in-southern-NSW/2007/06/14/1181414440614.html |
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| 18:16.19 | nox-Hand | DukeOfURL: Right, cause a guy I know from Adelaide said they never had snow |
| 18:16.28 | DukeOfURL | ok |
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| 18:20.57 | baird- | nox-Hand: A lot of areas were about a metre under water-- the houses that had good foundations escaped damage, elsewise the carpet dealers are set for life now :) ... There was a fierce storm as well-- damage from tens of thousands of falling trees and ruined roads. About a billion AU$ damage estimated so far. |
| 18:21.15 | guaqua | sounds bad |
| 18:21.40 | nox-Hand | :( |
| 18:21.44 | nox-Hand | Bugga |
| 18:21.57 | baird- | Thousands of cars had to be abandoned in the streets due to rising floodwaters. It's about the worst flood here in a generation. |
| 18:22.48 | baird- | It was all from one night of rain, too... |
| 18:22.55 | guaqua | we have floods in finland regularly...rivers overflowing |
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| 18:26.28 | baird- | They were a regular occurence in the Newcastle/Hunter Valley area up until modern water catchment area management was started. It was just one of those freak 'Perfect Storms' (300mm rain in <hour) that managed to exceed the design of the stormwater system. |
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| 18:37.00 | DukeOfURL | Wow! I'd rather snow than 12" rain in an hour. |
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| 18:39.17 | CoreDump|home | !bug-add-address test@home.com elrond+bugzilla.openmoko.org@samba-tng.org Elrond |
| 18:39.17 | cdbot2 | Adding <test@home.com> into my database |
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| 18:39.27 | CoreDump|home | !bug-add-address elrond+bugzilla.openmoko.org@samba-tng.org Elrond |
| 18:39.29 | cdbot2 | Adding <elrond+bugzilla.openmoko.org@samba-tng.org> into my database |
| 18:40.20 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - What are you doing there? |
| 18:40.49 | CoreDump|home | masking your email address in bug reports |
| 18:41.09 | Elrond | hehe :-) |
| 18:41.30 | Elrond | Well, with obfuscating, I meant s/@/ (at) /g ;o) |
| 18:41.51 | CoreDump|home | that is now active per default as well |
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| 18:43.00 | Elrond | Ahh, great. :-) |
| 18:44.13 | CoreDump|home | !ombug 604 |
| 18:44.13 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 604, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 18:44.14 | rxr | Elrond: all spammers have their reverse sed expressions already .... |
| 18:44.14 | cdbot2 | * * <Elrond>: DFU at bootdelay conflicts with normal boot nand read |
| 18:44.15 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=604 |
| 18:45.26 | Elrond | rxr - Only a small part of them. and if you escape everything, they're quite lost. |
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| 18:51.50 | cxreg | with all the harsh buzz on the iPwnd, i was hoping moko would get more press |
| 18:52.02 | cxreg | now might be a good time for a random press release :) |
| 18:53.16 | Elrond | iPwnd? |
| 18:57.00 | cxreg | http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=238443&cid=19505877 |
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| 19:04.59 | Elrond | cxreg - *G* |
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| 19:08.58 | LuitvD | yeehaa, I'm done with high school :D |
| 19:10.33 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: congrats |
| 19:10.47 | stefan_schmidt | bene: From linutronix? |
| 19:11.10 | LuitvD | now I need WORK, to afford me an openmoko-capable phone :) |
| 19:13.37 | LuitvD | CoreDump|home: mask me too :) |
| 19:14.07 | CoreDump|home | what's your email address= |
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| 19:14.30 | LuitvD | CoreDump|home: openmoko@luitvd.net |
| 19:14.49 | jeddy3 | ghostwhisperer igen nu |
| 19:15.02 | LuitvD | hm? |
| 19:15.06 | CoreDump|home | !bug-add-address openmoko@luitvd.net LuitvD |
| 19:15.08 | cdbot2 | Adding <openmoko@luitvd.net> into my database |
| 19:15.17 | LuitvD | thnx |
| 19:15.21 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 19:15.26 | LuitvD | who's this new bot then? |
| 19:15.27 | Sup3rkiddo | ooo...anyone getting a timeout while flashing |
| 19:15.28 | Sup3rkiddo | ? |
| 19:16.15 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, building from scratch worked...i have the shared file where it should..now only running it and testing the stuff from qemu remains...thanks mate for the hint |
| 19:16.40 | CoreDump|home | just a bot |
| 19:16.56 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: No problem. Thanks coding for OpenMoko. |
| 19:17.13 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, hehe...welcome |
| 19:17.18 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: BTW, you already coordinate your pymoko work with zecke? |
| 19:17.46 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, no...omg, duplication of work going on? |
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| 19:18.02 | cxreg | what's the general attitude about working with payware or subscription services on the moko platform? |
| 19:18.21 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: Seems so. Let me dig a url |
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| 19:19.04 | Sup3rkiddo | wow |
| 19:19.07 | cxreg | more of a "don't do that" or a "hey, anything goes"? |
| 19:20.46 | cxreg | some context, i work for whitepages.com and i'd be interested in doing up some kind of app, but im not sure what exactly the company's policies are |
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| 19:22.56 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/bindings/ http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-March/000644.html |
| 19:23.07 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/python-openmoko-0.3.tar.bz2 |
| 19:23.28 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: Thats zecke here on IRC. Just make sure you coordinate each other |
| 19:23.45 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, ah ok...thanks will do... |
| 19:23.56 | balrog-kun | cxreg: it's totally up to the person who would offer it and their customers i think |
| 19:26.01 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: Did you get to take a look at Bug #599? |
| 19:26.14 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: moment |
| 19:27.19 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Ah, that one. I fear I don't understand OE enough to know if we just can delete it. But I'll ping mickey about it again. |
| 19:28.26 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: I dug around last sunday and came to that conclusion. |
| 19:29.26 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Sounds indeed reasonable, but I like to ask somebody with more clue about it before commiting it. |
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| 19:30.01 | filippo | counter |
| 19:30.02 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 20:14:59 (3.844±3.8 days) (1469;228) |
| 19:30.02 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: mickey's fix didn't work, at least for me. |
| 19:35.36 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: hmm, OE upstream also have this in the recipe. I'll ask mickey next time I see him so we get a proper fix for it. |
| 19:35.58 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Perhaps it's your patch, perhaps something else. No idea right now. |
| 19:37.32 | stefan_schmidt | Yay, my matchbox startup panel applet was merged upstream. :) |
| 19:37.45 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: Koen did a fix, but it's a bit hackish IMHO since an additional variable is introduced which is not needed. Was just wondering what the status was on that bug, no hurry ;) |
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| 19:37.55 | Sup3rkiddo | oh dangy, i am getting timeouts whilst flashing...any idea whatsup? |
| 19:38.40 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Yeah, it's fine to pester us from time to time. Not always easy to remember all the stuff. :) |
| 19:40.35 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: will do *hehe* |
| 19:43.46 | Sup3rkiddo | maybe this should offer some clues http://pastebin.ca/567108 |
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| 20:23.40 | webjames | hey everyone |
| 20:24.41 | webjames | looks like we could see some action fairly soon |
| 20:24.48 | cxreg | balrog-kun: that's cool. |
| 20:25.37 | webjames | i've been busy mapping on openstreet map, quite addictive once you've started - it's a must for anyone with a neo! |
| 20:26.51 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 20:27.06 | SpeedEvil | Especially with bluetooth voice-activated tagging |
| 20:29.20 | webjames | yeah, that would be helpful. i do alot of it on my motorbike |
| 20:30.00 | webjames | i can hit the waypoint button easy, but i've got to either stop and type in something sensible, or try remeber stuff |
| 20:30.11 | SpeedEvil | Camera that could be triggerable over bluetooth would be nice too. |
| 20:30.51 | SpeedEvil | Auto-activate when the voice note is made |
| 20:31.08 | webjames | i thought about video on the front of my bike so i capture all the road names |
| 20:31.15 | Elrond | webjames - "waypoint button"? |
| 20:31.18 | webjames | yeah |
| 20:31.30 | tigert | you still need to type them |
| 20:31.35 | SpeedEvil | Video is hard to do well. |
| 20:31.37 | webjames | not on the neo, on my garmin GPS 60 |
| 20:31.39 | pjz | whee, got my folding bt kbd |
| 20:31.53 | pjz | now where's the Neo to use it with? :) |
| 20:32.04 | SpeedEvil | China? |
| 20:32.36 | webjames | the neo it'd be easy with a bike mount/ tap the screen to actuvate a waypoint then it records 15seconds of audio, which you could speak, and record any information |
| 20:32.44 | Elrond | pjz - FFM ;o) |
| 20:32.57 | SpeedEvil | Too much. |
| 20:33.01 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: In a warm, nice place at a china factory. :) |
| 20:33.03 | SpeedEvil | Simply voice activate. |
| 20:33.16 | CoreDump|home | did I miss anything? Do recent images include a proper GPS driver? |
| 20:33.17 | SpeedEvil | You don't want to be tapping phones with thick gloves on. |
| 20:33.18 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: Which one and where did you order? |
| 20:33.27 | SpeedEvil | There is a binary driver |
| 20:34.04 | CoreDump|home | SpeedEvil: the "leaked" one from P1? :\ |
| 20:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I misread |
| 20:34.41 | SpeedEvil | I assume that P1 would ship with it. |
| 20:35.10 | Elrond | I assume the same. |
| 20:35.31 | Elrond | Unless P1 takes longer than us decoding hh ;o) |
| 20:35.57 | SpeedEvil | In one way I hope so. |
| 20:36.06 | SpeedEvil | In the other way, I hope that there is very little time. |
| 20:37.03 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 20:55.11 | webjames | SpeedEvil, how do you draw in a wooded area? is it just a set of connected nodes with the first node connected to the last node then set to type natural:wood? |
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| 20:58.18 | high-rez | counter |
| 20:58.18 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 19:30:51 (3.813±3.8 days) (1470;228) |
| 20:58.53 | SpeedEvil | nodes -> segments -> way |
| 20:58.59 | SpeedEvil | tag the way as natural:wood |
| 20:59.17 | SpeedEvil | irc.oftc.net #osm may also be of use |
| 21:00.25 | webjames | SpeedEvil, thanks! |
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| 21:08.09 | Elrond | BTW: Anyone willing to compile-test small patches for openmoko for me? (Compiling whole X11R7.3 on m box wont be fun. non-X11 compiles are fine. I'm doing that.) |
| 21:10.28 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Point to the patches |
| 21:11.19 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Testing my upstream merged startup applet against the moko version right now, but I should be able to take a look later or tomorrow |
| 21:12.14 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Well, my current "set" is only a three liner of cleanup. I'm probably going to look closer at openmoko-messages, which loves to sefv. ;o) |
| 21:13.00 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: OK, what does it do? |
| 21:13.16 | Elrond | Make code look nicer. ;-) |
| 21:13.45 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: messages: Perhaps you can also reproduce this with a x86 and use gdb on your host. Much easier some times |
| 21:14.00 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: heh |
| 21:14.51 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yeah, x86 build is on the other list. ;-) A friend tried that, but gave up. |
| 21:15.22 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I mean just the stuff in src/target/OM-2007 |
| 21:15.55 | Elrond | Yeah. :-) |
| 21:16.50 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, compile and install libgsm, compile and install openmoko-libs and set some paths. |
| 21:19.59 | Elrond | I'll try that tomorrow. :-) |
| 21:20.01 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Quick and dirty from inside the OM-2007 folder: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/openmoko-x86-autobuild.sh |
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| 21:21.47 | Elrond | :-) |
| 21:23.13 | Elrond | I'll try that tomorrow. :-)) If it works out nicely, I'll put a up a wiki page on "Quick compile on host" :-) |
| 21:24.25 | stefan_schmidt | urgs, perhaps make it a bit prettier for that. :) |
| 21:25.39 | Elrond | I'll do. :-) |
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| 21:50.08 | webjames | night |
| 21:50.17 | webjames | cheers SpeedEvil |
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| 22:17.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
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| 22:24.14 | webar7 | seen sean |
| 22:24.27 | webar7 | hmm |
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| 22:25.27 | stefan_schmidt | webar7: It is ~seen, his nick is mosko and he is never in this channel. ;) |
| 22:25.46 | webar7 | gaak :-D |
| 22:25.47 | webar7 | hehe |
| 22:25.56 | webar7 | ~seen mosko |
| 22:25.57 | apt | i haven't seen 'mosko', webar7 |
| 22:26.02 | webar7 | doh! |
| 22:27.01 | webar7 | I want him to give a presentation at ---> http://www.gkpeventsonthefuture.org/gk3/ |
| 22:27.45 | webar7 | I will pay :) and contribute something to openmoko.net community if he twists my arm :) |
| 22:29.05 | stefan_schmidt | webar7: Best would be to drop him a mail |
| 22:29.35 | webar7 | sounds good |
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| 23:17.20 | ina | l |
| 23:18.03 | ina | where can I buy NEO1973. I'm from Germany |
| 23:18.57 | roh | ina mass production just started, but it will be orderable soon. keep a close eye to openmoko.com and the announce mailing list |
| 23:19.52 | ina | thx bye |
| 23:22.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 606 has been created by pavel(AT)ucw.cz |
| 23:22.02 | cdbot2 | * * libgsmd-tool buffers its output |
| 23:22.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=606 |
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