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| 00:33.36 | darmou | I'm glad the phone will have wifi, it will make it much easier to develop software on it. |
| 00:41.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro]] [[Bluetooth_Support]] |
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| 00:45.00 | don-o | Psi_: amazing mobo. |
| 00:50.25 | Psi_ | yeah |
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| 01:13.42 | agui | Hi, can someone tell me how to use microSD card on neo1973(gta01b_v4) |
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| 01:23.14 | balrog-kun | agui: there's a slot under the battery and under the SIM |
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| 01:36.43 | agui | <balrog-kun |
| 01:39.27 | agui | balrog-kun: yes, I have put the microsd card in that place. I creat a block device file, using the major device number 254, but it can't work |
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| 02:13.57 | balrog-kun | agui: udev should create all the nodes for you when the card is detected and nodes for every partition when it reads the partition table |
| 02:14.09 | balrog-kun | agui: provided you have s3c_mci compiled in |
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| 02:27.53 | LWT001 | I want to buy a Neo1973 phone or debug board for system testing, Where to buy at mainland china? |
| 02:28.12 | Psi_ | you wait till its out, then order online |
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| 02:31.06 | aloril | btw.. has anybody with Neo1973 simple tried to turn chrome off to see what effect that has in speed? |
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| 02:31.24 | aloril | s:simple:simply: |
| 02:32.06 | _ASK_ | question: general public will be offered GTA-01 or GTA-02? |
| 02:32.09 | LWT001 | Psi_: If i want to buy it for debugging now, How to do this ? |
| 02:32.22 | Psi_ | its not available yet |
| 02:32.31 | _ASK_ | i mean, without waiting until september |
| 02:32.43 | balrog-kun | _ASK_: GTA-01 |
| 02:33.48 | balrog-kun | aloril: in recent builds the graphics is really fast and usable, so probably not much difference |
| 02:33.52 | balrog-kun | at least for me |
| 02:33.54 | _ASK_ | so they are going to use the same physical design for the "second generation"? Touchscreen, two buttons and no stylus? |
| 02:33.57 | aloril | GTA01 for anybody with money soon, but meant only for developers |
| 02:34.10 | Psi_ | LWT001, the only people who have phones already are Linux developers specially chosen by FIC |
| 02:34.13 | aloril | GTA02 maybe in september with -"- |
| 02:34.42 | LWT001 | Psi_: I know that FIC has produced a couple of GTA01Bv4 at mainland china, |
| 02:34.44 | aloril | GTA02? with updated software in maybe 6 months for mass market (I guess topic should be changed here...) |
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| 02:35.20 | Psi_ | LWT001, yes, the have produced them, and the are going on sale very shortly, but they are not available yet |
| 02:35.35 | aloril | balrog-kun: ah, OK, what about when you restart application, any difference? |
| 02:35.49 | balrog-kun | the GTA02 hardware probably also won't be reade earlier than 6 months after GTA01 starts selling, knowing how the project works... |
| 02:35.52 | _ASK_ | i think i'm going to keep my treo for a while then. |
| 02:36.14 | aloril | balrog-kun: hehe |
| 02:36.32 | balrog-kun | aloril: between chrome and no chrome? i haven't tried no chrome, maybe will try during the weekend |
| 02:36.54 | LWT001 | Psi_:thanks |
| 02:36.56 | *** topic/#openmoko by aloril -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps any day now <> Mass market in 6 months or more. |
| 02:37.02 | balrog-kun | but the only thing that takes long sometimes is the loading of some programs (before the appear on the screen) |
| 02:37.09 | balrog-kun | after that they are rather smooth |
| 02:37.12 | aloril | (that topic was not really realistic anymore) |
| 02:37.48 | balrog-kun | the "perhaps any day now" also doesn't sound realistic :) |
| 02:38.06 | LWT001 | s |
| 02:38.17 | aloril | balrog-kun: chrome too, but I meant caching (ie.. effect jffs2 speed) |
| 02:38.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by aloril -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps any week now <> Mass market in 6 months or more. |
| 02:38.45 | balrog-kun | aloril: lemme check, one moment |
| 02:39.51 | _ASK_ | i wonder if they even considered changing the ergonomics of the phone |
| 02:40.58 | balrog-kun | aloril: well, the first time i tapped on TaskManager now it took some 4s to load and about 2s the successive runs - can't test anything else because the desktop and the top bar had crashed during suspending :P |
| 02:41.35 | aloril | considering that if you took GUI calendar and similar 'light' program designed for 386 and ran it on pentium (roughly == Neo1973) it should run pretty fast |
| 02:42.03 | aloril | balrog-kun: thanks, I think there is space for optimization, dunno if its easy or hard |
| 02:42.31 | balrog-kun | yeah, there definitely is space for optimisation :) |
| 02:42.46 | aloril | for example current dialing application should be possible to start in <0.1s (its not that complex ;-) |
| 02:42.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Great_Wall]] [[Liver_transplant]] [[Talk:Openstreetmap]] |
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| 02:43.20 | balrog-kun | ugh spammers again? |
| 02:44.01 | bmidgley | has anyone figured out how to use the web browser on neo? |
| 02:44.27 | scuffe | hi everyone, i'm building the dev enviroment right now and was wondering how long it took anyone to build the image? |
| 02:44.27 | aloril | scuffe: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:44.57 | aloril | 5-10 hours |
| 02:45.15 | aloril | qemu only is fast though |
| 02:48.12 | scuffe | so 5-10 for the image and 5-10 for qemu? |
| 02:48.54 | aloril | umm.. you can build qemu + download prebuild image <1h, maybe minutes |
| 02:49.09 | aloril | especially if you do it manually and thus skip monotone part |
| 02:50.03 | aloril | even with mokomakefile you can skip most of it, just don't call make openmoko-devel-image |
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| 02:50.18 | scuffe | that's where i'm at now |
| 02:50.28 | aloril | (but then you don't have development environment) |
| 02:50.52 | scuffe | so theres no point to do it the other way |
| 02:51.26 | aloril | right, if you want development environment, then its several hours |
| 02:51.37 | scuffe | cool thanks for the info |
| 02:51.38 | aloril | if you want to just get look, some minutes |
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| 02:52.23 | scuffe | i looked at it in windows with the precompiled binaray and it looks way cool |
| 02:52.46 | scuffe | i really want to take a look under the hood now |
| 02:56.19 | aloril | anybody ran bare X11 application? I don't think its X11 that is problem here |
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| 02:57.53 | bmidgley | ok so the web "browser" is a placeholder for the real thing to come :( |
| 03:00.48 | bmidgley | aloril: i just put xeyes up on my p1 no prob :) |
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| 03:01.09 | aloril | bmidgley: what is speed? (does it start instantly?) |
| 03:01.36 | bmidgley | aloril: yes but there has to be a better test app... let me look around and see what i have |
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| 03:02.41 | aloril | maybe its gtk and/or some other extra stuff, not X11 that is problem ? |
| 03:03.20 | aloril | and maybe all that can be fixed by 'just' optimizing it, not changing to something else |
| 03:04.38 | scuffe | aloril: what are you trying to fix? |
| 03:05.04 | bmidgley | aloril: gpaint looks surprisingly good |
| 03:05.05 | aloril | scuffe: for example starting dialing app and dialing should be instantenous or calendar or other 'simple' things |
| 03:05.27 | scuffe | is there a lag? |
| 03:05.29 | aloril | or taskmanager, etc.. |
| 03:05.45 | aloril | scuffe: <balrog-kun> aloril: well, the first time i tapped on TaskManager now it took some 4s to load and about 2s the successive runs - can't test anything else because the desktop and the top bar had crashed during suspending :P |
| 03:06.16 | bmidgley | fwiw, gpaint running remotely is very snappy |
| 03:06.18 | scuffe | oh |
| 03:06.31 | bmidgley | maybe bottleneck is in cpu/flash i/f |
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| 03:07.51 | aloril | bmidgley: thanks, maybe you want to mail community mailing list to say that X11 is not culprit |
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| 03:10.28 | bmidgley | what's a good way to capture a screenshot? |
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| 03:11.33 | aloril | ah, so its not only X11 program, its GTK+ program too, nice benchmark then |
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| 03:13.04 | aloril | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.58 | bmidgley | http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/gpaint.jpg |
| 03:17.58 | scuffe | bmidgley: that's sweet |
| 03:18.15 | bmidgley | hey the backlight actually turns off now--used to run 24/7 |
| 03:18.42 | bmidgley | scuffe: the original looks better... jpg encoding wasn't kind |
| 03:18.57 | aloril | bmidgley: open/save/scrolling canvas/etc.. are all fast? |
| 03:20.04 | bmidgley | aloril: very snappy yes. opened a big jpg and scrolling around is fine |
| 03:20.33 | aloril | ok, then its not gtk+/x11 that is speed problem |
| 03:20.44 | aloril | and this is even over usbnet I assume? |
| 03:20.55 | bmidgley | yes usbnet |
| 03:22.26 | bmidgley | yeah it would be fun to display qemu output on the neo :) |
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| 03:23.49 | aloril | bmidgley: that works directly (and slowly), but I meant 386 openmoko binaries that would run at native PC speed |
| 03:24.08 | aloril | (which is extra work and doesn't really tell that much) |
| 03:24.32 | aloril | what we your test says is that X11/GTK+ display parts is not speed problem |
| 03:24.56 | aloril | what we have now is that your test says that X11/GTK+ display parts is not speed problem |
| 03:25.07 | bmidgley | kolourpaint uses the screen better but covers the bottom bar (shrug) |
| 03:25.47 | bmidgley | man these pixels are tiny |
| 03:25.48 | aloril | what about something heavy like ... mozilla? |
| 03:25.54 | bmidgley | ok |
| 03:27.06 | bmidgley | wow even classic mozilla (1.7.13) is snappy as anything! i'll try firefox |
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| 03:30.20 | aloril | actually gtk+ is not exercised 'directly' on Neo1973 in these tests, only X11 (but it means that GTK+ is not any extra slow for drawing stuff, if its extra slow its at non 'actual drawing' stuff) |
| 03:31.17 | cxreg2 | re topic: perhaps any week now? que? |
| 03:31.18 | aloril | cxreg2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 03:31.20 | bmidgley | yeah it is pretty low level |
| 03:31.36 | bmidgley | konqueror looks great |
| 03:32.21 | aloril | in any case it kills "we need to dump X11 and use framebuffer" -argument |
| 03:33.04 | bmidgley | sure... it doesn't exercise the widget set directly... |
| 03:33.23 | bmidgley | but using fb directly would still need to use the widget set so it wouldn't help |
| 03:33.52 | bmidgley | i'll see if i can run something on moko and display on my pc |
| 03:34.22 | aloril | right |
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| 03:35.49 | bmidgley | argh gdm on my desktop doesn't allow tcp x |
| 03:36.05 | aloril | actually that "run moko apps on desktop" argument could be good for general too |
| 03:36.55 | aloril | ie.. easy way to use bigger monitor than what Neo1973 provides |
| 03:37.28 | aloril | actually, even better if you can just switch between these .. |
| 03:39.05 | aloril | go near PC -> window pops up with Neo1973 screen, move away, back to Neo1973 screen |
| 03:39.05 | bmidgley | hmm konqueror goes over the taskbar |
| 03:39.05 | bmidgley | http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/konqueror.jpg |
| 03:39.05 | bmidgley | the location input gets scrunched up to make room for the search |
| 03:40.25 | aloril | that screen must be hard to read on actual Neo1973 ;-) |
| 03:41.11 | bmidgley | i think my eyes would get tired |
| 03:41.58 | bmidgley | i like how the latest image has a startup sound |
| 03:42.58 | bmidgley | ok, so what would be good to run on neo and display on pc? got it working finally |
| 03:43.59 | bmidgley | doh, mtpaint segfaults |
| 03:44.49 | bmidgley | oh never mind, mtpaint segfaults when displaying on neo :( not a good test |
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| 03:46.57 | aloril | bmidgley: usual apps: dialer, contacts, calendar, etc..? |
| 03:47.10 | aloril | (moko apps) |
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| 03:51.37 | scuffe | i wish the dev enviroment would compile faster so i could play around with everything |
| 03:53.34 | bmidgley | openmoko-chordmaster? never knew this was here |
| 03:54.57 | bmidgley | things seem fast enough, don't take too long to start |
| 03:55.05 | bmidgley | there is a ton of debug text coming out of them |
| 03:55.42 | bmidgley | if the debug was going somewhere on flash i imagine that would slow things down |
| 03:56.04 | bmidgley | for me it comes out on the console |
| 03:56.57 | aloril | how does it compare to running it in Neo1973? |
| 03:58.24 | bmidgley | the things on neo that make me think "slow" are tapping on the bottom left & right corners |
| 03:58.27 | bmidgley | for task switching |
| 03:58.56 | bmidgley | most other stuff is reasonable and displays remotely about the same speed, not blazing |
| 03:59.11 | bmidgley | eg calculator |
| 03:59.16 | bmidgley | couldn't get the dialer to go remote |
| 04:03.39 | bmidgley | ok, so scrolling in appmanager is not so hot |
| 04:03.45 | bmidgley | can't keep up with live scrolling |
| 04:04.52 | bmidgley | strangely, the thumb keeps up with the cursor on my pc but the thumb is way behind on neo |
| 04:05.04 | bmidgley | both are skipping around in the list and not scrolling smoothly |
| 04:05.58 | bmidgley | it's as if there's an issue in the input driver |
| 04:06.11 | bmidgley | but no... painting apps behaved ok |
| 04:08.24 | aloril | sounds like things are fixable (especially on GTA02), no need to do drastic changes |
| 04:08.50 | bmidgley | i would feel better if all that debug were turned off |
| 04:09.09 | bmidgley | brb |
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| 04:29.22 | bmidgley | oh hang on there was one difference when the thumb didn't keep up... |
| 04:29.40 | bmidgley | when displaying on pc, I had redirected stdout/err to /dev/null |
| 04:29.49 | bmidgley | i don't know where stdout/err are going on neo |
| 04:30.55 | bmidgley | nevermind, makes no diff |
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| 06:46.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/openmoko-sound-theme: fix openmoko-sound-theme-standard |
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| 07:15.58 | Sup3rkiddo | just wondering..will the kqemu accelerator help the qemu build to run faster? |
| 07:16.50 | hads | Help the build of qemu run faster? |
| 07:17.03 | mmp | Sup3rkiddo: when emulating your native architecture, yes. |
| 07:18.07 | Sup3rkiddo | hads. i meant the openmoko build |
| 07:19.14 | hads | You mean running the OM emulator? |
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| 07:19.38 | hads | Anyway, moot point, it's not native arch so no. |
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| 07:29.30 | Sup3rkiddo | how can i bring the onscreen keyboard...normally i click the beige space near the openmoko menu at the top left corner...i noticed that its missing now,, |
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| 07:38.26 | Vegar | Sup3rkiddo: in qemu? |
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| 07:38.27 | Sup3rkiddo | Vegar, yes |
| 07:38.28 | Vegar | try rebooting it until it shows up |
| 07:38.34 | Sup3rkiddo | Vegar, oh..dang...it takes around 5 minutes on my box ..:(, thanks for the hint |
| 07:38.41 | Vegar | yeah |
| 07:38.47 | Vegar | at least that's how I fix it |
| 07:39.03 | Vegar | you might be able to start the app manually |
| 07:39.07 | Vegar | not sure how though |
| 07:39.30 | Sup3rkiddo | Vegar, right...will let you know if i find out :P |
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| 07:53.13 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 07:53.13 | Sup3rkiddo | morning |
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| 07:54.13 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 07:58.03 | *** topic/#openmoko by aloril -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps any week now <> Mass market perhaps in 6 months or more. |
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| 08:25.31 | LuitvD | mornin' everyone |
| 08:25.48 | tri | hi |
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| 08:29.17 | Duke_Nuke | i haven't understand very well, wifi will be included in the first market version of openmoko or in the second? |
| 08:29.18 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 08:30.52 | aloril | doubt market release is at that time |
| 08:31.46 | Duke_Nuke | so wifi will *probably* added in the second release? |
| 08:32.15 | aloril | yes |
| 08:32.41 | Duke_Nuke | aloril, thank you! |
| 08:33.47 | aloril | it will be announced when first release becomes available (hopefully in a week or 2) |
| 08:35.04 | tri | so in this first release wifi will not be included ? |
| 08:35.47 | guaqua | correct, tri |
| 08:35.57 | aloril | right, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware (its GTA01Bv4) |
| 08:36.31 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:37.00 | aloril | not that all days are more or less guesses, its hard to predict future |
| 08:37.12 | aloril | (its basically as soon as possible ...) |
| 08:37.24 | aloril | s:not that:note that: |
| 08:43.21 | sxpert-work | small problem. I tried 'make qemu', which complained about sdl not being available. so I installed that, and it still doesn't find it. any idea ? |
| 08:45.45 | jeddy3 | sxpert-work, you need development packages of sdl i guess |
| 08:47.08 | sxpert-work | (this is gentoo) |
| 08:47.43 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, i am using gentoo as well...pastebin the errors |
| 08:47.59 | Lorphos | aloril: P1.5? Isn't there just GTA01 and GTA02? |
| 08:48.30 | aloril | P1+==P1.5: GTA02 |
| 08:49.19 | aloril | well.. P1+, etc.. are release times kind of, while GTA02 are device names |
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| 08:54.04 | jeddy3 | sxpert-work, would gentoo imply that you don't need development packages in addition to runime packages? |
| 08:55.10 | sxpert-work | jeddy3: as everything is compiled, installing something installs the required devel stuff |
| 08:55.14 | pavelm | Hi, hrw! |
| 08:55.35 | pavelm | ...actually, the people in czech republic really use CDMA @ 450MHz... because it is really fast -- in 1Mbit range, unlike GPRS/EDGE. |
| 08:56.42 | jeddy3 | sxpert-work, ah ok |
| 08:59.43 | koen | pavelm: you probably mean wcdma, right? |
| 09:01.39 | pavelm | koen: I'm not sure what exact technology it has. It is code-division-multiple-access, but being @ 450 MHz, it is quite non-standard. |
| 09:02.07 | koen | right |
| 09:02.19 | koen | it's probably the wcdma variant of UMTS |
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| 09:04.51 | pavelm | koen: it uses time division instead of frequency division, so terminals are quite different, and no cellphones are available for cdma @ 450 MHz. It is data-only network. |
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| 09:14.14 | sxpert-work | Sup3rkiddo: tp://rafb.net/p/ubcj6R24.html |
| 09:17.06 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, first, you seem to be building qemu with gcc4, that is so wrong..afaik... |
| 09:17.51 | sxpert-work | wtf ? |
| 09:18.27 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, gcc 3.x.x should be used |
| 09:18.39 | sxpert-work | I don't have that |
| 09:18.49 | koen | apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 09:18.56 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, even if its unrelated to problem at hand, you will get compile errors later... |
| 09:19.02 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, emerge in his case :) |
| 09:19.29 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, emerge gcc 3 and use gcc-config to change the compiler |
| 09:19.39 | sxpert-work | this is rather stupid |
| 09:20.37 | Sup3rkiddo | qemu depends on gcc3, no other go...suggest going out for a movie when the thing compiles ;) |
| 09:20.51 | sxpert-work | no problem. quad proc here |
| 09:21.10 | sxpert-work | qemu should be fixed :D |
| 09:21.15 | Sup3rkiddo | sxpert-work, bwaha,,,you have all the luck :s,...then a commercial then |
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| 09:29.47 | gamin | what email client / lib will be used? I have looked through the mail archives but found no info |
| 09:30.54 | ewanm89 | gamin: Have you looked on the wiki? |
| 09:31.12 | gamin | I looked in the svn |
| 09:31.15 | gamin | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/ |
| 09:31.16 | Sup3rkiddo | i got a slight problem with the qemu build...touching the crosshair ro calibrate screen isnt working, anyone know watsup? |
| 09:31.25 | gamin | nothing there |
| 09:31.56 | ewon | hardware? |
| 09:32.03 | ewon | oh wait, qemu |
| 09:32.15 | Sup3rkiddo | ewon, yup.. |
| 09:34.08 | gamin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications says nothing about email... |
| 09:34.59 | tri | gamin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Messages |
| 09:35.20 | gamin | thanks tri, I just found it in the same second! |
| 09:35.31 | tri | ;-) |
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| 09:37.44 | gamin | hmmm, but the architectural details say nothing about the mail backend and in svn there is currently only sms handled |
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| 09:38.06 | gamin | so no decision yet about the lib? |
| 09:38.39 | gamin | like in libcamel or else? |
| 09:40.17 | tri | gamin: hm http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/README |
| 09:40.35 | tri | seams there is not decision yet ? |
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| 10:00.41 | Sup3rkiddo | oh..dang...is the problem just one off, touching the crosshairs to calibrate the screen not working...maybe i should file a bug report |
| 10:01.59 | hrw | I think that it is hard to tell now when there is nearly no developers with phones |
| 10:02.13 | Sup3rkiddo | hrw, not the phone,,qemu itself |
| 10:02.28 | Sup3rkiddo | wish i had the phone though...*sigh* |
| 10:02.43 | ewanm89 | Sup3rkiddo: It is a known problem, I don't think there is a fix. |
| 10:03.11 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89, drat!..it was working till today morning...what a day |
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| 10:06.22 | PBeck | ahoi :D |
| 10:08.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 598 has been created by sudharsh@gmail.com |
| 10:08.02 | cdbot2 | * * Unable to calibrate the screen |
| 10:08.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=598 |
| 10:08.49 | buz | i think that one is well known |
| 10:08.52 | buz | i could be wrong though |
| 10:09.04 | buz | you might want to try starting qemu with usb tablet |
| 10:09.19 | buz | there's some command for that |
| 10:09.53 | Sup3rkiddo | buz, ok...i will try that..but it was wroking alright all along until i updated my build some 2 hours back |
| 10:10.02 | buz | ah thats weird then |
| 10:10.03 | Sup3rkiddo | s/wroking/working |
| 10:10.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r2198 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/series: Added unbusy-i2c.patch |
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| 10:13.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Openstreetmap]] [[Main_Page/bg]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 10:16.37 | pavelm | ...and I guess I'll have to watch lots of films to free some disk space :-) |
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| 10:17.07 | alphaone | wb pavelm :-) |
| 10:17.40 | pavelm | thanks, alpha ;-) |
| 10:18.12 | antenagora | counter |
| 10:18.13 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 5 days 12:50:53 (5.535±5.5 days) (1416;227) |
| 10:20.00 | gamin | is there anywhere info as to how the hardware-runs from the 10th and 20th May succeeded? |
| 10:20.28 | buz | we should know about that next week |
| 10:20.44 | gamin | cool :) |
| 10:21.58 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: We have phones but we need to test them. |
| 10:23.19 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: so the pcb's are okay and it is more a qa questio, i assume? |
| 10:23.56 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Right, PCBs are fine. We need QA |
| 10:25.05 | gamin | and you have kind of sufficient quantities, like 500 or 1000? |
| 10:26.14 | parag0n | when they are released, i hope i buy mine before the ordering site is slashdotted, or there'll be none left :< |
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| 10:27.33 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Not sure about the last status but 500 are done |
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| 10:28.37 | stefan_schmidt | And yes, we produce more then 500 :) |
| 10:28.54 | hads | parag0n: announce list. |
| 10:29.09 | gamin | parag0n: looking in the svn and mailing lists it is still some time until they are usable for anybody but developers. and with the next revision already announced (wifi,400MHz cpu, 2d/3d accel) it makes no sense to buy but for devs. |
| 10:29.25 | parag0n | i would be devving |
| 10:29.38 | parag0n | although i'm tempted to hold on until 02 now |
| 10:29.41 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: thanks for the info. |
| 10:29.54 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: np |
| 10:30.01 | drath | heh, yeah, the preliminary details about the GTA02 make the GTA01 look much less interesting |
| 10:30.29 | drath | there's still no details about the discount for P1 buyers I suppose? |
| 10:30.39 | drath | s/discount/P2 discount/ |
| 10:31.14 | stefan_schmidt | drath: Sorry, no idea. I'm in the dev department not marketing :) |
| 10:31.22 | ewanm89 | I need something better than than my motorola L6. |
| 10:31.50 | drath | stefan_schmidt: heh, I trust that if something had been made public you'd know |
| 10:31.53 | hads | stefan_schmidt: You'd have to be happy about that :) |
| 10:33.04 | stefan_schmidt | drath: Yeah, nothing I know about |
| 10:33.12 | stefan_schmidt | hads: I *am* :) |
| 10:34.44 | gamin | am just curious: will the 2D/3D gpu allow for the fancy effects that the iPhone has? |
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| 10:36.25 | rd_ | gamin, would need fancy developers to make fancy effects ui :> |
| 10:36.35 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: It's a powerful beast. It's just the question what we all came up with to feed it. ;) |
| 10:38.56 | gamin | rd_, some effects like the album-select thingy need probably lots of development, but simpler effects like the in the email app and the photo app should be easy to program - with a little help of the openmoko-libs, that is. |
| 10:40.06 | gamin | btw: what do we need a barcode reader for (the wiki says for pahse 2), if there is no camera? |
| 10:40.28 | holtmann | The /var/lib directory of OpenMoko can't be on tmpfs. This storage area must be persistent. |
| 10:44.50 | hrw | holtmann: OE was updated to have parts of /var persistent iirc |
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| 10:48.04 | koen | hrw: it was updated because holtmann complained about it at bossa :) |
| 10:48.40 | hrw | koen: now time goes to openmoko guys |
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| 10:54.14 | pavelm | does gsm work for you in jun6 build? |
| 10:55.46 | holtmann | hrw: I know, but the OpenMoko images still have complete /var as tmpfs. |
| 10:56.14 | thresh | is there a way to set custom CPPFLAGS for openembedded build ? |
| 10:56.20 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: community involvement todo? |
| 10:59.00 | hrw | holtmann: yes, and they will have until coreteam take decision to update their OE base |
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| 11:03.05 | zecke|study | thresh: sure, check conf/bitbake.conf and you are free to change them in local.conf,auto.conf and site.conf |
| 11:03.27 | thresh | nice, thanks. i just want to turn off FORTIFY_SOURCE cause openembedded doesnt build with it =/ |
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| 11:19.25 | gamin | make openmoko-devel-image fails with: NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r9_9045f33c023f698660a2e45d1b2194c0711abebc_0_2198: task do_fetch: started |
| 11:19.25 | gamin | fatal: corrupted pack file .git/objects/pack/pack-a146bcbc18f4826d6bf2a7f63be5dd77bbb5b2f5.pack |
| 11:19.43 | gamin | not sure what I shall do now |
| 11:19.58 | hrw | gamin: update git to 1.5.x and complain to Torvalds for it |
| 11:20.09 | gamin | hrw: okay :) |
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| 11:25.08 | gamin | hrw: updating git solved it. am now going to make a phone call to Linus to complain. |
| 11:26.44 | zecke|study | balrog-kun: have you tried to run qemu over remote x11? |
| 11:27.23 | Sup3rkiddo | using vnc? |
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| 11:30.15 | thresh | hmm, doesnt seem to have any effect on building binutils... |
| 11:30.43 | thresh | added CPPFLAGS="-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE" |
| 11:30.48 | thresh | to conf/local.conf |
| 11:32.21 | gamin | downloads.openmoko.org is amazingly fast, I get >1000KB/s. And I always thought that hetzner is a third class provider... |
| 11:32.41 | Sup3rkiddo | gamin, show off :P |
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| 11:33.12 | zecke|study | thresh: you have checked bitbake.conf? |
| 11:33.22 | thresh | sorry, not yet, sec :) |
| 11:33.49 | thresh | as i only have conf/local.conf |
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| 11:36.49 | gamin | Sup3rkiddo: show off is really only for hetzner (german budget provider). - most people do have at least 1Mbit nowadays I guess, no to speak of the universities |
| 11:36.50 | ewon | hetzner++; |
| 11:36.50 | Sup3rkiddo | gamin, gah..i am having 256 kB/s... |
| 11:36.50 | ewon | everyone and their dog seems to have a hetzner box these days :) |
| 11:36.51 | Sup3rkiddo | if bitbake finds any change to the local.conf, then it begins parsing all the recipes from the start..am i right? |
| 11:36.51 | gamin | ewon: ah. hmm, I like hosteurope.. |
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| 11:39.01 | gamin | ewon: how is reliability? I remember they had some major probs in the past? |
| 11:39.49 | thresh | hm, cant seem to find needed option =/ |
| 11:44.40 | ewon | gamin: wouldn't trust a vital business to it, but for personal torrent box it's grand |
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| 12:02.33 | buz | yikes, mono on neo |
| 12:02.38 | buz | WHY |
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| 12:02.46 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 12:02.53 | buz | because its evil (tm) |
| 12:03.02 | SpeedEvil | People are going to do silly things with open hardware. |
| 12:03.08 | SpeedEvil | I plan on running FF on it. |
| 12:03.16 | buz | yeah i see the point in that |
| 12:03.25 | buz | maybe if you port mono, you can use beagle ;) |
| 12:03.36 | SpeedEvil | I also plan on setting up native compilation environment on it. |
| 12:05.07 | pavelm | speed: I was not able to set up native compilation on zaurus :-( |
| 12:05.27 | SpeedEvil | Well - 1G 'disk' 128M RAM, don't see why not. |
| 12:05.31 | pavelm | speed: gcc worked, but userland apps would not link. |
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| 12:06.44 | ewanm89 | pavelm: That is because the headers aren't installed. |
| 12:06.58 | pavelm | speed: debian/arm just did not cooperate. |
| 12:07.20 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: community involvement todo? |
| 12:08.26 | hrw | pavelm: "ipkg install task-native-sdk" is all what is needed in OZ now ;) |
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| 12:09.51 | pavelm | hrw: And dois it work if I do? :-). Ok, will try that |
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| 12:11.18 | hrw | pavelm: it was working for me with simple apps |
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| 12:13.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 12:19.35 | kiney | countercounter |
| 12:19.40 | kiney | counter |
| 12:19.41 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 5 days 11:50:09 (5.493±5.5 days) (1417;227) |
| 12:22.28 | gamin | are there any news about availability of the gpsd? |
| 12:22.59 | gamin | last I heard/read there were still some licensing issues going on |
| 12:23.22 | gamin | is that solved? |
| 12:27.07 | SpeedEvil | sort-of |
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| 12:27.23 | SpeedEvil | there is a daemon in the latest shipment |
| 12:27.25 | SpeedEvil | of P1 apps |
| 12:27.32 | SpeedEvil | p1 phones |
| 12:28.24 | SpeedEvil | so - presumably it's been fixed. |
| 12:28.25 | ewon | is it still closed-source? |
| 12:28.25 | DukeOfURL | counter |
| 12:28.25 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 5 days 11:46:01 (5.490±5.5 days) (1418;227) |
| 12:28.25 | ewon | not that I really care as long as it works, merely curious |
| 12:28.25 | SpeedEvil | It reportedly mostly works, but it seems not to exploit the hardware to the fullest. Yes. |
| 12:28.33 | SpeedEvil | There is interesting work going on about reverse engineering the driver |
| 12:28.36 | ewon | does it do any computational offloading to the CPU? |
| 12:29.15 | SpeedEvil | There is _no_ computation done in the hardware |
| 12:29.19 | ewon | o0 |
| 12:29.23 | SpeedEvil | But the computation isn't onerous. |
| 12:29.30 | SpeedEvil | In many ways, it's a better option. |
| 12:29.40 | SpeedEvil | As it gives lots of flexibility, leading to more options. |
| 12:30.30 | ewon | in what way? |
| 12:30.58 | ewon | (or point me at a URL, I'm into GPS, and I'm curious what kind of data we can access) |
| 12:31.51 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS - near the bottom |
| 12:32.20 | SpeedEvil | Possible soft-DGPS and better ionospheric correction using cooperative ionospheric modelling. |
| 12:33.11 | gamin | SpeedEvil: that's wrong what you wrote there. the position and speed is calculated in the hardware |
| 12:33.28 | gamin | i.e. in the GL chip |
| 12:34.17 | SpeedEvil | Err - not, it's not. |
| 12:34.23 | SpeedEvil | no, it's not. |
| 12:34.45 | gamin | SpeedEvil: source? |
| 12:34.48 | SpeedEvil | Why do you think so? |
| 12:35.04 | gamin | SpeedEvil: because I read tons of specs and papers |
| 12:35.14 | SpeedEvil | Datasheets, looking at output of chip, puff pieces on the chip |
| 12:35.22 | SpeedEvil | of _that_ chip? the hammerhead? |
