| 00:01.42 | Elrond | *G* |
| 00:01.43 | zecke | pavelm: right |
| 00:01.56 | Elrond | zecke - Can you please give the german word too? ;) |
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| 00:04.58 | pavelm | so... I got python to work on openmoko (using angstrom), but python-gtk is broken :-( |
| 00:05.09 | pavelm | File "/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/python-pygtk2-2.10.3-ml3/image/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 48, in ? |
| 00:05.10 | pavelm | ImportError: No module named cairo |
| 00:06.02 | zecke | ouch, this is worth than a rpath |
| 00:06.22 | zecke | pavelm: you might have luck taking this up with mickeyl |
| 00:08.27 | Elrond | pavelm - Get python-cairo installed. |
| 00:08.57 | Elrond | zecke - It's not mickey's job, as pavelm is not using openmoko there. ;) |
| 00:11.24 | pavelm | Elrond: ipkg install python-pycairo seems to be close. |
| 00:12.42 | zecke | Elrond: well, this python edition says 'ml'. But yes I don't want mickeyl to overload himself even more |
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| 00:13.34 | zecke | any git-format-patch expert around? |
| 00:14.14 | pavelm | elrond: I installed python-pycairo, but still get same message. Do I need to run some kind of python-update-your-modules? |
| 00:16.31 | Elrond | pavelm - In theory not. I don't know angstrom too well. |
| 00:16.59 | Elrond | zecke - What did the Tagesschau speaker say in german? |
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| 00:18.36 | zecke | Elrond: "Die G8 Geiselnehm Entschuldigung die G8 Teilnehmer" |
| 00:19.14 | Elrond | *biggrin* :-) |
| 00:21.08 | Elrond | Good night people :-) |
| 00:21.31 | pavelm | good night, elrond! |
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| 00:28.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Idarwin]] |
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| 01:29.19 | Vegar | Elrond: did you try your neo in the sun? |
| 01:37.28 | rwhitby | Elrond, stefan_schmidt: re getting modules in the rootfs - use RRECOMMENDS instead of RDEPENDS - then ipkg doesn't complain about task-base not being complete if someone wants to ipkg remove those modules. |
| 01:38.49 | rwhitby | pavelm: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ has live logs, current 24 hours and past 24 hours in -prev, and archive in the subdir. |
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| 06:48.19 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 14:36:01 (2.608 +-2.6 days) (1290;214) |
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| 07:46.09 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:21.53 | pavelm | Hello, hopscotch! |
| 08:22.09 | Hopscotch | hiho |
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| 08:26.07 | pavelm | ..I got angstrom distro running on openmoko last night ... only to realize I _need_ oabi for gllin :-(. |
| 08:28.10 | Magon | what is gllin for? |
| 08:28.59 | Hopscotch | it's the gps daemon |
| 08:29.20 | Hopscotch | i found out that the sirf chips are able to report the current 50bps message received |
| 08:29.38 | Hopscotch | that should help to decode the hammerhead protocol |
| 08:29.47 | Hopscotch | if you have an strace and the corresponding sat-message |
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| 08:52.58 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:03.33 | pavelm | hopscotch: Nice! |
| 09:04.06 | pavelm | hopscotch: Placing sirf near the hammerhead at good view of sky, then stracing the hammerhead should show us the messages ;-). |
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| 09:13.31 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 13:23:25 (2.558 +-2.6 days) (1292;214) |
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| 09:33.54 | Stepan | hi there |
| 09:35.31 | Stepan | the late may version wont have UMTS will it? |
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| 09:35.31 | buz | no |
| 09:35.31 | buz | just gsm |
| 09:35.31 | buz | and gprs |
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| 09:37.33 | Stepan | pity. i have half a dozen gsm phones here, and they are all "good enough", but I was unable to find any phone that is Linux based and has UMTS support yet. Is this some patent issue? |
| 09:37.54 | Stepan | ... maybe umts is just not attractive enough |
| 09:38.12 | guaqua | i just hear it's expensive |
| 09:39.13 | Stepan | in germany there is a umts flatrate for 40eur. thats about the same as a normal broadband flatrate, too. |
| 09:39.46 | Stepan | living out of hotel rooms for most of the month, this is kind of attractive. |
| 09:40.40 | guaqua | the hardware, not the tariffs :) |
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| 09:42.58 | Stepan | aah. |
| 09:43.42 | guaqua | somewhere i read or heard that only the rojalty fees for umts would be ~50 euros per phone |
| 09:43.44 | Stepan | german market is a bit distorted through the benefits you get when you sign a 1 or 2 yr contract |
| 09:43.51 | guaqua | don't know if this is true though |
| 09:43.53 | Stepan | you get most phones for 1-150eur |
| 09:44.06 | guaqua | not umts phones :) |
| 09:44.12 | Stepan | royalty 50eur. wow |
| 09:44.24 | guaqua | this is just a hunch, not sure about it |
| 09:44.50 | guaqua | they've started selling those subsidised phones in finland too |
| 09:44.55 | guaqua | with 2 year contracts |
| 09:45.11 | guaqua | you can get flatrate data for 10 euros/month |
| 09:45.12 | Stepan | guaqua: with O2 you get the Sony Ericson W880i UMTS for 9.99 (without contract its roughly 500 bucks) |
| 09:45.26 | guaqua | :S |
| 09:46.06 | Stepan | the flatrate itself? 10eur? |
| 09:46.10 | Stepan | amazing! |
| 09:46.11 | guaqua | yeah |
| 09:46.21 | guaqua | it's not unlimited umts though |
| 09:46.35 | Stepan | germany is a developing country in the communication scene |
| 09:46.58 | guaqua | it's 128kbit/s flatrate |
| 09:47.05 | guaqua | 3g, edge and gprs |
| 09:47.17 | guaqua | though with gprs you are limited to technical maximum speeds |
| 09:47.31 | Stepan | for 40eur you really get unlimited umts her, they claim. but i have no idea about availability |
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| 09:47.54 | guaqua | i'm hearing the speeds vary alot |
| 09:48.00 | Stepan | i dont want to sign a 2yr contract to have the possibility to surf in munich trainstation and nowhere else ;) |
| 09:48.18 | guaqua | :) |
| 09:48.22 | Stepan | obviously, yes. And you can not use UMTS in trains, usually |
| 09:48.34 | guaqua | gprs works pretty well everywhere in finland |
| 09:48.37 | guaqua | even in trains |
| 09:48.41 | hrw | morning |
| 09:48.51 | guaqua | and even without the extra transmitters in the carrs |
| 09:48.54 | guaqua | morning, hrw |
| 09:49.00 | hrw | gfx cards suxx |
| 09:49.25 | Stepan | 128kbit is fine for what I do, but I think with GPRS I usually get 9600 or something |
| 09:49.33 | Stepan | (might be totally wrong though) |
| 09:49.50 | guaqua | i think gprs is supposed to be like 43 kbit/s |
| 09:49.56 | guaqua | not sure about it though |
| 09:50.39 | guaqua | hscsd is 43.2 kbit/s |
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| 09:52.19 | guaqua | neo has GPRS Class12/CS4 |
| 09:52.40 | hrw | GSM CSD is 9600 |
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| 09:52.48 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: you there? |
| 09:53.00 | guaqua | so theoretically neo could do...60kbit/s or 80kbit/s ? |
| 09:53.09 | tholin | hscsd is called turbo 3G where I am from. Sounds way cooler dont you think? |
| 09:53.18 | guaqua | turbo 3g :D |
| 09:53.27 | guaqua | that's _funny_ |
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| 10:04.01 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 12:58:10 (2.540 +-2.5 days) (1293;215) |
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| 12:12.10 | antenagora | counter |
| 12:12.11 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 11:54:05 (2.496 +-2.5 days) (1294;215) |
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| 12:16.29 | keitsi | will software be compatible and maintained even for the P1 hardware? |
| 12:17.38 | balrog-kun | kernel is the only thing that possibly needs active maintaining |
| 12:18.36 | balrog-kun | and i guess as long as there are users it is going to be maintained, users are who maintains software |
| 12:19.32 | SpeedEvil | The software should be more or less compatible over any OM phone. |
| 12:19.56 | keitsi | that's what I was hoping to hear |
| 12:20.12 | balrog-kun | the software is compatible over all arm machines |
| 12:20.17 | keitsi | looks like I might have to buy the P1+ phone :) |
| 12:20.24 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. Not only ARM. |
| 12:20.35 | SpeedEvil | It can compile to pretty much any platform. |
| 12:20.35 | balrog-kun | binary-compatible that is |
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| 12:23.25 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. But that's pretty irrelevant surely? |
| 12:25.04 | balrog-kun | i don't know, sometimes it is very relevant |
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| 12:26.34 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, other than bootloader, and kernel support, it shouldn't be. |
| 12:26.47 | SpeedEvil | And proprietory software. |
| 12:27.55 | balrog-kun | it is relevant when a friend tells you, look, the build r1622 is not booting for me, and you can go to the website with image and drop the r1622 image right to your device |
| 12:28.23 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
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| 13:14.44 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: you here? |
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| 13:15.26 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: found something interesting on the wiki, and you posted it, IIRC |
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| 13:23.41 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: you made this change, right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=FAQ&diff=5292&oldid=5290 |
| 13:24.05 | LuitvD | I'm interested in that last change, about the future versions... |
| 13:24.30 | LuitvD | it implies that there will be more then just the HXD8 next to the Neo1973 |
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| 13:30.07 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: yes, someone talked about five or so devices this year |
| 13:30.21 | balrog-kun | there's at least Neo1983 that i know of |
| 13:30.53 | balrog-kun | although Neo1983 and HXD8 may be the same thing because HXD8 is only the codename like GTA01 |
| 13:36.26 | guaqua | is hxd8 on fic website? |
| 13:37.48 | balrog-kun | it wouldn't be s3cr3t if it was on the website, would it :) |
| 13:39.17 | guaqua | haha |
| 13:39.26 | guaqua | where do you get this info from? :) |
| 13:39.29 | Vegar | all those secrets.. |
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| 13:59.47 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: I'm making an HXD8 page for the wiki :P |
| 14:00.18 | LuitvD | based on the currently available kernel and u-boot patches, and hardware documentations on subversion |
| 14:01.05 | balrog-kun | nice |
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| 14:01.32 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: there's actually quite some information already :P |
| 14:02.08 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: checking - not worked on FAQ for a while IIRC |
| 14:02.22 | SpeedEvil | been trying to bring a little order to hardware wishlist |
| 14:02.28 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: where did you get that info? 5 devices... |
| 14:02.43 | SpeedEvil | wait |
| 14:02.45 | LuitvD | back in february |
| 14:03.50 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:05.02 | SpeedEvil | I think it was from the mailing lists. |
| 14:05.09 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: I really wonder where that info comes from :P because it now seems to be true... |
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| 14:05.28 | SpeedEvil | I know I got the "not phones in the traditional sense" phrase from somewhere else. |
| 14:05.35 | SpeedEvil | I mean I diddn't make it up. |
| 14:05.36 | LuitvD | with that HXD8... that one was maybe intendedly posted on subversion... |
| 14:05.53 | LuitvD | that's allright... |
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| 14:06.01 | LuitvD | might be sean's language :P |
| 14:06.06 | SpeedEvil | Possibly. |
| 14:06.07 | LuitvD | I bet it is... |
| 14:06.20 | LuitvD | keeping us anxious :P the basterd |
| 14:06.34 | LuitvD | he's good at it |
| 14:06.48 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: Take a look at presentation from Sean at Fosdem. :) |
| 14:07.27 | LuitvD | that might be the source, yeah... |
| 14:08.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that was what I was thinking of. |
| 14:08.52 | SpeedEvil | It's probably that |
| 14:09.13 | SpeedEvil | Thinking back, some of the other things from that FAQ edit I think came from the list. |
| 14:09.15 | balrog-kun | i think that's also where i've heard about five new devices |
| 14:09.17 | SpeedEvil | err the talk |
| 14:09.36 | LuitvD | oeh, the HXD8 will have quite a nice camera :) |
| 14:10.45 | LuitvD | anyhow, I'm back to creating that wiki page again :P |
| 14:10.59 | LuitvD | found a bunch of info |
| 14:11.50 | LuitvD | not sure if the light sensor included in the device is for camera exposure guessing, or for LCD backlight setting |
| 14:12.14 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: Please make sure not spreading to much rumors. Only add hard facts from what you find in the patches |
| 14:12.49 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: ofcourse... and I've added a notice on the top of the page that the specs are all well-educated guesses, not facts (yet) |
| 14:13.03 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: k |
| 14:13.15 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: want to review it before I post? |
| 14:14.07 | stefan_schmidt | LuitvD: nah, just go ahead. |
| 14:14.14 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: okay :) |
| 14:14.50 | balrog-kun | ugh, facts are no fun |
| 14:15.12 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: right :) sean keeping us on the edge is way more fun |
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| 14:15.31 | balrog-kun | rumours and hoaxes that the FIC people would have to back out later would be more fun :) |
| 14:15.35 | barmeier | hi |
| 14:16.55 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: Not, really :) |
| 14:17.08 | Philippe | hi all |
| 14:17.40 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: Let me spread the rumor that you have forked quemu. Peop,e would love to hear this and start bashing. ;) |
| 14:17.42 | stefan_schmidt | hi Philippe |
| 14:17.54 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: no, Sean telling us to take a good look at the patches is the fun part :P |
| 14:18.20 | LuitvD | hmm, who should I talk to about possible mistakes in those patches? |
| 14:18.47 | Philippe | hey stefan_schmidt ! |
| 14:18.59 | balrog-kun | stefan_schmidt: well, actually i have :p |
| 14:19.23 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: OK, so I tell them that do don't plan to merge ;) |
| 14:20.11 | stefan_schmidt | So, I have no problem with people guessing what it is, but rumors makes it just harder for all. |
| 14:20.35 | balrog-kun | then i would have to change my name, fingerprints and wear sunglasses and go to columbia |
| 14:21.33 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: did you commit the page? |
| 14:21.39 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: not yet |
| 14:21.44 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: heh |
| 14:21.48 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: still adding more and more info |
| 14:22.02 | stefan_schmidt | Have to go. Have fun guys |
| 14:22.03 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: I keep finding things in the patches that are interesting to add to the page XD |
| 14:22.11 | LuitvD | stefan_schmidt: later dude |
| 14:22.12 | Vegar | can you post what you have? |
| 14:22.26 | Vegar | you know, in case your browser should crash |
| 14:22.29 | LuitvD | not just yet, patience please :P |
| 14:22.49 | LuitvD | Vegar: I'm not dumb you know... :P I'm editing the page in gEdit ;) |
| 14:23.05 | Vegar | do you want me to tell you about gedit? |
| 14:23.37 | LuitvD | gedit is just a text editor... |
| 14:23.45 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: feel free to also edit http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HandheldHardwareXref |
| 14:23.51 | buz | mhh hxd8 some sort of mediaplayer recorder? |
| 14:24.01 | Vegar | LuitvD: yeah, that's what they want you to think |
| 14:24.03 | buz | or did you find gsm as well |
| 14:24.17 | LuitvD | buz: it is a phone :P |
| 14:24.26 | buz | then its the iphone killer |
| 14:24.29 | LuitvD | didn't find which gsm module it is yet |
| 14:24.32 | LuitvD | it's widescreen |
| 14:24.35 | buz | yeah |
| 14:24.35 | SpeedEvil | Something with GSM isn't automatically a phone. |
| 14:24.45 | LuitvD | and it might have 4G of RAM :P |
| 14:24.50 | buz | nand |
| 14:24.52 | LuitvD | nand |
| 14:24.52 | buz | not ram |
| 14:24.53 | LuitvD | yes |
| 14:24.57 | LuitvD | sorry |
| 14:25.04 | LuitvD | 128MB RAM, 4G nand |
| 14:25.13 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: that's 4G bits, i.e 0.5 gigabytes |
| 14:25.13 | LuitvD | but that can be 4Gb as well... |
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| 14:25.33 | balrog-kun | but there are two more NAND chips in it iirc |
| 14:25.42 | buz | hence the idea of the iphone killer |
| 14:25.42 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: I don't think so... |
| 14:25.44 | balrog-kun | or at least there is space for three chips or something |
| 14:25.53 | LuitvD | don't think so... |
| 14:26.04 | buz | i read something about 3 chips on the ml |
| 14:26.08 | LuitvD | the patches tell me there's 1, and just 1 NAND chip |
| 14:26.18 | LuitvD | so I'm not sure about that one |
| 14:26.33 | LuitvD | that's why making that wiki page isn't that easy :P |
| 14:26.40 | LuitvD | contradictions all around |
| 14:26.47 | buz | if it really has a gsm module, i'm really sad that it doesnt have a vga scree nas well |
| 14:27.02 | SpeedEvil | I don't care about VGA screen. |
| 14:27.21 | SpeedEvil | I'd quite like one with a 256*256 mono display. |
| 14:27.43 | SpeedEvil | VGA is only needed IMO if screen 4" or so. |
| 14:27.44 | buz | yeah but then i want keypad |
| 14:27.53 | SpeedEvil | >4" |
| 14:28.26 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: the HXD8 is told to have 480x274 or something like that |
| 14:28.28 | LuitvD | widescreen |
| 14:28.30 | LuitvD | I guess... |
| 14:28.36 | LuitvD | still looking that up in the patches |
| 14:28.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Hardware:Keyboards]] |
| 14:28.53 | LuitvD | found the type of camera chip already |
| 14:28.58 | LuitvD | and led sensor |
| 14:28.59 | buz | which one |
| 14:29.11 | LuitvD | {| style="background-color:#EFEFFF;color:#000;border:1px solid #9F9FFF;margin:1em 5% 1em 5%;" |
| 14:29.11 | LuitvD | | style="padding:0.5em 0.5em;" | |
| 14:29.11 | LuitvD | | style="padding:0.5em 0.5em;" | <b>Speculations:</b> This {{{1|article or section}}} documents a device that is <i>not yet confirmed</i> formally and the device (if even released) <i>may differ</i> from the specifications given here. This page is based on well educated guesses, not facts. |
| 14:29.11 | LuitvD | |} |
| 14:29.12 | LuitvD | It looks like FIC is going to develop another device for OpenMoko quite soon, with the (code)name <b>HXD8</b>. On May 26th (GMT) Sean [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005407.html confirmed] the existence of the device, said hardware support was almost done and cleverly told us to wait anxiously. |
| 14:29.16 | LuitvD | ==Hardware== |
| 14:29.18 | LuitvD | From the information found in the [https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/HXD8v011/ hardware documentation] and [https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ kernel patches] parts of the subversion repositories, the following specifications can be predicted. |
| 14:29.24 | LuitvD | ===Processor=== |
| 14:29.26 | LuitvD | According to https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/s3c2440-nand-disable-hwecc.patch the HXD8 will feature an [http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/common/product_list.aspx?family_cd=MSC0102 S3C2440], capable of running up to 400MHz. The features are the same as the [http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/S3C2410/S3C2410.htm S3C2410] plus a camera interface. |
| 14:29.31 | LuitvD | *GPIO Assignments: https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/HXD8v011/gpio.txt |
| 14:29.31 | SpeedEvil | You don't really need the light sensor, if you have a camera. |
| 14:29.33 | LuitvD | ===Flash=== |
| 14:29.34 | LuitvD | According to the currently available hardware patches, the device supports 1 NAND Flash device of up to 4G. (uncertain about what kind of G that is. Could be 4Gb (which makes about 0,5GB), could be 4GB). |
| 14:29.36 | SpeedEvil | Generally. |
| 14:29.38 | LuitvD | ===RAM=== |
| 14:29.40 | LuitvD | 128MB Random Access Memory, of which 2MB is used as a Framebuffer. https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch |
| 14:29.43 | LuitvD | ===GSM/GPRS=== |
| 14:29.43 | SpeedEvil | As you can use the camera as a light sensor. |
| 14:29.45 | LuitvD | Not much info yet. |
| 14:29.47 | LuitvD | ===LCD Module (LCM)=== |
| 14:29.49 | LuitvD | ===Camera=== |
| 14:29.53 | LuitvD | The Omnivision OM7670 Camerachip Image S |
| 14:29.55 | LuitvD | sheiße |
| 14:29.57 | LuitvD | that wasn't my intention :P |
| 14:29.59 | LuitvD | http://www.ovt.com/data/parts/pdf/Brief7670V2.2.pdf |
| 14:30.03 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: that type light sensor is mostly used for backlight setting |
| 14:30.12 | LuitvD | (according to it's datasheet) |
| 14:30.23 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. It's just a single pixel? |
| 14:30.23 | buz | vga sensors are next to useless in my view |
| 14:30.34 | Philippe | LuitvD: that is what they use light sensors for usually |
| 14:30.48 | SpeedEvil | IMO - not. VGA sensors are quite good enough for snaps of stuff. |
| 14:30.57 | LuitvD | Philippe: yes, but it's either for that or for exposure prediction |
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| 14:30.58 | buz | the thing does 30fps |
| 14:31.08 | SpeedEvil | For example, buisness cards, or 'photo notes' |
| 14:31.08 | buz | i still think itps probably some sort of recorder more than snapshot cam |
| 14:31.11 | LuitvD | Philippe: nothing implies either of those |
| 14:31.28 | Philippe | LuitvD: well it could also be used for both :-) |
| 14:32.00 | LuitvD | Philippe: yes, placement of the sensor will tell for which one of those functions it is used |
| 14:32.16 | buz | business cards in vga? |
| 14:32.17 | SpeedEvil | Depending where the camera points. |
| 14:32.22 | buz | not really helpful for ocr |
| 14:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Snapping them I mean. |
| 14:32.37 | buz | most ocr phones have 2mpixel |
| 14:32.39 | SpeedEvil | Oh come on, it's 200DPI or so. |
| 14:32.51 | LuitvD | buz: it's good enough... interleaving helps a lot :P |
| 14:33.06 | buz | ocr sucks even with 600 dpi flatbeds |
| 14:33.13 | SpeedEvil | Umm - no. |
| 14:33.18 | SpeedEvil | Not decent OCR. |
| 14:33.33 | SpeedEvil | And free OCR != decent OCR alas. |
| 14:33.37 | buz | thats true |
| 14:33.48 | buz | but decent ocr uses a lot of language processing that doesnt work very well on names |
| 14:33.59 | LuitvD | ah well, who needs buisinesscards when there's semacode :P |
| 14:34.27 | LuitvD | semacode tags can easily be interpreted with CIF cameras |
| 14:34.32 | SpeedEvil | Even just having an image of the card is often handy. |
| 14:34.38 | VilleWitt | Has there been any talks about baseing the IM client on telepathy? |
| 14:34.38 | aloril | VilleWitt: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:35.21 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention simple stuff like "where did that bolt go" or "what was the price on that bag of lime", which a camera can trivially help with if you snap lots. |
| 14:35.33 | Philippe | Well I wonder if OCR is going to be useful on a phone anyway.... |
| 14:35.39 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 14:35.53 | SpeedEvil | It's got plenty of CPU power. |
| 14:35.58 | Philippe | make a snap and wait for 15min until it managed to process what you want |
| 14:35.59 | buz | handwrite ocr would be neat to make notes |
| 14:36.11 | Vegar | I attempted OCR with gocr and a webcam (640x480) |
| 14:36.11 | buz | much easier to scribble on paper than touchscreens |
| 14:36.17 | Vegar | didn't work very well |
| 14:36.19 | buz | gocr is useless |
| 14:36.38 | Vegar | what would you use then? |
| 14:36.41 | SpeedEvil | I used to do OCR on P166 - worked fine. |
| 14:36.43 | buz | maybe that google project will yield useable ocr at some point |
| 14:36.46 | Philippe | there was an article on osnews that pointed to ocr recently I believe |
| 14:36.52 | LuitvD | one thing I can't figure out is why the device features an ADC+DAC chip, and a temperature sensing chip... |
| 14:36.54 | SpeedEvil | The bundled corel product, that I forget the name of. |
| 14:36.59 | Philippe | SpeedEvil: P166 has floating point, ARM9 no. |
| 14:37.10 | SpeedEvil | Philippe: True - it's at most a factor of 3. |
| 14:37.20 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 4. |
| 14:37.37 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: text bridge? |
| 14:37.40 | SpeedEvil | And I wouldn't be scanning large books - for which it only took 30s/page or so. |
| 14:37.53 | SpeedEvil | I've used textbridge, but that was on bigger hardware. |
| 14:38.09 | buz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/tesseract-ocr |
| 14:38.25 | SpeedEvil | Umm - Some sort of cyrix P300 equiv IIRC |
| 14:38.50 | SpeedEvil | The real problem with buisness cards is the propensity to wierd fonts. |
| 14:39.22 | Philippe | Well you could solve part of the issue by having a gui that lets you selected the part you want ocr info from |
| 14:39.32 | LuitvD | why would a mobile phone need an 8-bit A/D and D/A converter... |
| 14:39.33 | LuitvD | anyone? |
| 14:39.44 | Philippe | LuitvD: audio? |
| 14:39.47 | buz | tv out? |
| 14:39.58 | buz | if it can record video, you want tvout |
| 14:40.15 | LuitvD | accelerometers? :P |
| 14:40.23 | Philippe | buz: 8bit ADC for video might be pretty crappy :-) |
| 14:40.40 | buz | point |
| 14:40.44 | LuitvD | http://www.tau.ac.il/~stoledo/lego/i2c-8591-lis3l02as4/ ... |
| 14:40.47 | SpeedEvil | What sample rate? |
| 14:41.19 | LuitvD | my best guess is accelerometer readout |
| 14:41.31 | SpeedEvil | How many channels? |
| 14:41.33 | Vegar | buz: interesting |
| 14:41.42 | SpeedEvil | You will need 3 channels for accellerometers. |
| 14:41.53 | SpeedEvil | If it's the same one as in the WII, which it probably is. |
| 14:42.13 | buz | does it have graphics acceleration? |
| 14:42.18 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: it's 4 channel A/D |
| 14:42.24 | LuitvD | and 1-channel D/A |
| 14:42.31 | keesj | perhaps for a touch screen ? |
| 14:42.33 | SpeedEvil | D/A for backlight maybe. |
| 14:42.44 | balrog-kun | tesseract is also quite poor at doing its job i hear |
| 14:42.49 | LuitvD | keesj: the S3C2440 has touchscreen control on chip |
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| 14:43.08 | balrog-kun | it was written in the 80s |
| 14:44.28 | buz | how about one channel for each of RGB? |
| 14:44.52 | LuitvD | buz: i still think accelerometer is a better guess... |
| 14:44.53 | SpeedEvil | Not if it's on SPI/I2C |
| 14:45.01 | SpeedEvil | simply not the bandwidth there to do video. |
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| 14:46.44 | LuitvD | it is on i2c... |
| 14:47.03 | roh | accellerometers usually are on i2c or spi on such devices |
| 14:47.13 | roh | nobody uses analog parts there anymore |
| 14:47.21 | LuitvD | roh: no, most accelerometers are analog output |
| 14:47.30 | balrog-kun | i2c can be quite clocked pretty high, probably comparable with usb |
| 14:47.39 | roh | LuitvD none of which are usefull for a mobile phone |
| 14:47.41 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: 400kHz |
| 14:47.44 | buz | usb1 or usb2 |
| 14:48.12 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: that's a limit for i2c in general? or a particular device? |
| 14:48.36 | LuitvD | roh: what's your guess then? for the use of that 8-bit 4-channel A/D and 1-channel D/A converter |
| 14:48.55 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: I guess 400kHz is the max according to the i2c specs... |
| 14:48.59 | roh | LuitvD where? |
| 14:49.05 | LuitvD | so 400kbps is the max transfer rate |
| 14:49.06 | SpeedEvil | roh: the analog ones are _still_ cheaper than the I2C ones. |
| 14:49.12 | LuitvD | roh: in the HXD8 |
| 14:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Often a fair bit cheaper, the one in the wii goes for $5 at 1K |
| 14:49.40 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: and that one is analog output, right? |
| 14:49.44 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 14:49.55 | roh | LuitvD ah.. can't tell.. sorry |
| 14:49.56 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: then the PCF chip makes it I2C :P |
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| 14:50.22 | Vegar | will P1.5 have s3c2410 too? |
| 14:50.35 | LuitvD | Vegar: s3c2440 most likely |
| 14:50.42 | Vegar | ah |
| 14:50.44 | Vegar | which one? |
| 14:50.56 | LuitvD | Vegar: just THAT one :P |
| 14:51.07 | LuitvD | are there different 2440 versions then? :P |
| 14:51.09 | Vegar | 2440 comes in several speeds, doesn't it? |
| 14:51.25 | LuitvD | nah, it's clocked between 300 and 400 MHz |
| 14:51.46 | SpeedEvil | And 'slow' mode. |
| 14:51.50 | Vegar | "Samsung's high-speed, low-power mobile S3C2440 CPU is sampling now in 533MHz, 400MHz, and 300MHz versions" |
| 14:51.54 | LuitvD | the speed depends on the input clock signal, I guess... |
| 14:51.57 | Vegar | brb |
| 14:52.07 | LuitvD | Vegar: ah, 533 would be nice :D |
| 14:52.26 | SpeedEvil | Yes, because flaming batteries are cool! |
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| 14:57.33 | mmp | SpeedEvil: :-))) well said. |
| 15:04.05 | LuitvD | damn, it's hard to focus at adding information to that page :P |
| 15:04.24 | LuitvD | I keep on seeing other devices in the patches, looking those up and stuff... |
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| 15:21.18 | Bish | lol flaming batteries |
| 15:24.21 | LuitvD | what's USB UDC? |
| 15:24.47 | balrog-kun | USB Device Controller |
| 15:24.57 | balrog-kun | USB UDC is a (what do they call them)... |
| 15:25.12 | LuitvD | yeah, know what you mean |
| 15:25.21 | LuitvD | like GNU's Not Unix |
| 15:25.34 | Vegar | recursive acronym? |
| 15:25.41 | balrog-kun | Vegar: not really |
| 15:25.47 | balrog-kun | line PIN number or ATM machine |
| 15:25.53 | balrog-kun | or NIC card |
| 15:25.54 | Vegar | ah |
| 15:26.36 | balrog-kun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome lol |
| 15:26.49 | LuitvD | Vegar: GNU's Not Unix is a recursive acronym |
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| 15:27.49 | balrog-kun | oh, pleonasm is the correct term |
| 15:28.04 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: not really... |
| 15:29.02 | LuitvD | "free gift" is a pleonasm |
| 15:29.21 | balrog-kun | hmm okay |
| 15:30.06 | LuitvD | enough of that, I already passed english class :P |
| 15:30.13 | LuitvD | so I don't really care anymore :) |
| 15:35.26 | Vegar | meh |
| 15:35.36 | Vegar | I have my finals next week |
| 15:35.46 | Vegar | can't wait till it's over |
| 15:36.03 | Vegar | then I can stop caring too |
| 15:36.10 | SpeedEvil | Just think! In a fortnight, you can flip burgers! |
| 15:39.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:39.43 | SpeedEvil | Or work at microsoft. |
| 15:39.44 | buz | cant be so hard |
| 15:39.44 | SpeedEvil | They can't get the machine to properly wipe simulated nose-pickings on the burgers. |
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| 17:42.57 | X-Cray | SpeedEvil, Hi! |
| 17:43.15 | SpeedEvil | hi. |
| 17:43.36 | X-Cray | can you write something on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005412.html ? |
| 17:43.36 | aloril | X-Cray: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:44.27 | SpeedEvil | What about it? |
| 17:44.55 | X-Cray | about neo bandwidth |
| 17:45.12 | X-Cray | memory bandwidth |
| 17:45.14 | SpeedEvil | I forget. I worked it out once. |
| 17:45.20 | SpeedEvil | In short. |
| 17:45.26 | SpeedEvil | Memory bandwidth takes power. |
| 17:45.30 | SpeedEvil | More, the more power. |
| 17:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Neglecting any CPU impact. |
| 17:46.05 | SpeedEvil | As an unrelated datapoint, going from 24->4 bit X on my laptop gains me 10% runtime. |
| 17:46.32 | X-Cray | ) |
| 17:46.59 | X-Cray | thanx |
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| 17:47.31 | buz | what gpu |
| 17:47.54 | SpeedEvil | GPU? |
| 17:48.43 | buz | graphics processing unit |
| 17:48.46 | X-Cray | GPU is not related here as far as I understand... |
| 17:48.54 | buz | it is related to his laptop thingy |
| 17:48.57 | SpeedEvil | There is no GPU in the neo. |
| 17:49.21 | buz | but in your laptop |
| 17:49.29 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 17:49.39 | SpeedEvil | One that shares memory with the system RAM |
| 17:49.42 | SpeedEvil | An old one. |
| 17:49.45 | SpeedEvil | PII/300 |
| 17:49.46 | buz | ah intel probably |
| 17:50.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 17:50.07 | buz | oh right |
| 17:50.11 | buz | probably not entirely representative for today ;)= |
| 17:50.28 | SpeedEvil | maybe. |
| 17:54.17 | LuitvD | anybody seen laforge lately? |
| 17:54.19 | morricone | counter |
| 17:54.19 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 09:03:01 (2.377 +-2.4 days) (1295;215) |
| 17:55.32 | buz | ~seen laf0rge |
| 17:55.51 | apt | laf0rge <n=laforge@59-115-128-248.dynamic.hinet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 8d 11h 13m 4s ago, saying: 'pjz: the problem is you only learn about all possible hardware bugs as the software evolves ;)'. |
| 17:55.51 | buz | doesnt look like it ;) |
| 17:55.59 | Hopscotch | laforge is in leipzig |
| 17:56.01 | buz | oh now |
| 17:56.04 | LuitvD | ah |
| 17:56.12 | buz | apt has lag |
| 17:56.16 | LuitvD | not for a week already... |
| 17:56.42 | buz | why is apt called apt anyway |
| 17:56.45 | LuitvD | buz: apt is slow on brainz today |
| 17:56.49 | buz | ~apt |
| 17:56.50 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is the debian package manager and nothing to do with ibot, infobot, jbot or purl |
| 17:56.52 | LuitvD | :P |
| 17:57.00 | buz | probably went partying too hard last night eh |
| 17:57.06 | buz | ~botsnack |
| 17:57.06 | apt | :), buz |
| 17:57.10 | LuitvD | hehehe |
| 17:57.20 | LuitvD | ibot or jbot? |
| 17:59.47 | LuitvD | ~karma apt |
| 17:59.48 | apt | apt has karma of 9 |
| 18:00.25 | LuitvD | ~karma sean |
| 18:00.25 | apt | sean has neutral karma |
| 18:00.28 | LuitvD | XD |
| 18:01.16 | LuitvD | apt: bullshit |
| 18:01.33 | apt | bullshit is, like, If you want to speak bullshit, please go to #debian.bullshit. sdf dflkj Linux sucks sfg yo momma dfg #debian.bullshit |
| 18:01.57 | LuitvD | bullshit |
| 18:01.58 | LuitvD | XD |
| 18:02.07 | LuitvD | apt can do bullshit |
| 18:02.45 | LuitvD | ~ebonify buz |
| 18:02.47 | LuitvD | :) |
| 18:03.20 | buz | doesnt seem to do anything |
| 18:03.56 | LuitvD | not yet? |
| 18:04.03 | LuitvD | apt's really slow... |
| 18:04.24 | buz | self tanning cream seems more efficient than apt |
| 18:04.36 | buz | its just hard to apply evenyl |
| 18:05.32 | LuitvD | PONG XD |
| 18:05.45 | buz | so i dont have lag |
| 18:05.48 | buz | not sure about apt really |
| 18:06.00 | LuitvD | ping reply from you in nearly half a sec |
| 18:06.07 | LuitvD | that's not very quick :P |
| 18:06.17 | buz | 213ms lag according to konversation |
| 18:06.37 | buz | thats surviveable |
| 18:06.38 | LuitvD | 440 according to XChat |
| 18:06.54 | buz | clearly, xchat must be slow |
| 18:06.55 | LuitvD | hm, now it's < 150 |
| 18:07.03 | LuitvD | no, orange is slow on ping |
| 18:07.27 | LuitvD | it's routing servers' IP adresses are unadvertized, which makes it very slow |
| 18:08.13 | LuitvD | which is bloody stupid, that even an ISP can make a mistake like that |
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| 18:21.22 | X-Cray | ~karma X-Cray |
| 18:21.22 | apt | x-cray has neutral karma |
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| 18:28.15 | X-Cray | apt: version |
| 18:28.28 | apt | [version] Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 18:28.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Cray]] |
| 18:31.33 | X-Cray | apt: help |
| 18:31.57 | ewon | counter |
| 18:31.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 08:44:12 (2.364 +-2.4 days) (1296;215) |
| 18:33.24 | Freed | if I try to build openmoko on x86-64, will work ? |
| 18:33.24 | aloril | Freed: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:37.29 | X-Cray | ~wikipedia CPU |
| 18:38.59 | LuitvD | ~wikipedia OpenMoko |
| 18:39.12 | X-Cray | =) |
| 18:40.03 | X-Cray | ~md5 OpenMoko |
| 18:41.17 | LuitvD | :) |
| 18:41.19 | LuitvD | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 |
| 18:41.45 | LuitvD | I gathered all the rumors and guesses, and put it together :) |
| 18:41.51 | LuitvD | now let's see what will be added |
| 18:49.04 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: i'm pretty sure it's 0.5 GB (4Gb) for the NAND size |
| 18:49.36 | LuitvD | yeah... |
| 18:49.44 | LuitvD | oh well, edit it, if you're sure ;) |
| 18:50.29 | LuitvD | it's quite much, compared to what the Neo has :) |
| 18:50.37 | balrog-kun | 4 GB chips may exist, but the largest listed in the Linux NAND driver are 16 Gb which is 2 GB |
| 18:51.01 | balrog-kun | not all IDs are used up, so since that file was written, 4 GB chips may have been invented |
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| 18:52.42 | balrog-kun | there are 255 possible IDs and the chart can identify only about 80 types |
| 18:57.06 | buz | i'd venture to say that 4GB chips do exist |
| 18:57.12 | buz | i doubt they put 2 chips into microsd |
| 18:59.54 | balrog-kun | i think that's a different technology, but i don't really know |
| 19:00.03 | buz | http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/shownews.asp?title=Samsung+to+raise+price+on+8-Gigabyte+Flash+chip&num=10119 |
| 19:00.07 | balrog-kun | SDs are expected to be very slow compared to ROMs |
| 19:00.17 | buz | iirc, sd is nand too |
| 19:00.38 | buz | looks like 8GB exists, even |
| 19:01.15 | balrog-kun | this text says Gb (but also says gigabytes) :) |
| 19:01.25 | buz | yeah |
| 19:01.39 | buz | wikipedia also refers to 8GByte |
| 19:02.14 | balrog-kun | okay |
| 19:03.10 | buz | http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_13819.html not sure if this is single chip though |
| 19:03.23 | buz | ah no, 16gbit chips |
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| 19:04.44 | mjr | yeah, seems so |
| 19:05.11 | balrog-kun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HP_PhotoSmart_SDIO_Kamera.jpg that's a neat gadget |
| 19:05.57 | mjr | curious thingy, yes |
| 19:06.16 | buz | i wonder how long this works |
| 19:06.21 | buz | looks like it would break off quickly |
| 19:06.29 | mmp | balrog-kun: yes, for sdio-enabled kernels... |
| 19:06.35 | mjr | yes, a slighty flimsy look about it |
| 19:06.53 | buz | i wonder about a simple usb cam |
| 19:06.57 | mmp | balrog-kun: is SDIO stack already capable of driving things like this? |
| 19:07.15 | buz | well you cant use it with neo in any sane way anyhow |
| 19:07.55 | MetaBookfoziS | and, how you put this under the battery?:) |
| 19:07.58 | mmp | buz: according to one my friend, SD allows chaining :) |
| 19:08.21 | buz | still, how do you stick into a microsd slot under the battery? |
| 19:08.38 | balrog-kun | mmp: i'm not sure how advanced the SDIO stack is but i'm sure there's no drivers for an arbitrary camera like this on top of it |
| 19:08.44 | mmp | buz: just carefully take wires outside :) |
| 19:08.55 | MetaBookfoziS | :)) |
| 19:08.59 | balrog-kun | mmp: the OMAP MMC/SD host driver has no SDIO related code whatsoever |
| 19:09.05 | mmp | balrog-kun: aha :( |
| 19:09.07 | balrog-kun | eventhough the hardware does support sdio |
| 19:09.32 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: Nice post. Anybody already stand up for the Qtopia on the Neo project? |
| 19:09.35 | MetaBookfoziS | and is that possible one time somebody implements that? |
| 19:10.33 | buz | luckily we dont use omap |
| 19:13.41 | MetaBookfoziS | did we know how fast is neo''s cpu? |
| 19:14.00 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: it's about time somebody writes them then |
| 19:14.32 | MetaBookfoziS | it's planned to changed with a faster one, not? |
| 19:14.42 | LuitvD | MetaBookfoziS: yes |
| 19:15.32 | MetaBookfoziS | how faster one? |
| 19:15.43 | LuitvD | MetaBookfoziS: currently an s3c2410 is used (as of GTA01v4), which might become the s3c2440 at GTA02 |
| 19:15.56 | MetaBookfoziS | in mhz? |
| 19:16.05 | buz | 266now |
| 19:16.05 | X-Cray | 266 |
| 19:16.07 | LuitvD | the current one is 233 or 266? and the new one can do at least 400 |
| 19:16.12 | buz | 400 or 533 later |
| 19:16.14 | MetaBookfoziS | 266 the current |
| 19:16.21 | MetaBookfoziS | huh , cool |
| 19:16.25 | LuitvD | right, 266 now, 533 later |
| 19:16.32 | MetaBookfoziS | cool |
| 19:16.33 | buz | howwever, megahurtz is a bad measure ;) |
| 19:16.39 | LuitvD | jup |
| 19:16.40 | MetaBookfoziS | yup |
| 19:16.50 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: eek. people actually read that :} |
| 19:16.51 | LuitvD | though not if it's based on the same core (which it is) |
| 19:16.57 | MetaBookfoziS | thast become faster than my second machine in my life:D |
| 19:17.02 | buz | does it use the same memory? |
| 19:17.04 | MetaBookfoziS | that runs quake3:D |
| 19:17.13 | buz | maybe not |
| 19:17.15 | buz | no fpu |
| 19:17.15 | LuitvD | buz: maybe, maybe not |
| 19:17.31 | buz | but 266mhz arm is way faster than my first pc |
| 19:17.38 | LuitvD | heheh, same here |
| 19:17.48 | buz | and i came late to the game |
| 19:17.53 | LuitvD | (my first PC revved up to about 2MHz? |
| 19:17.54 | buz | with a 486 dx2 ;) |
| 19:18.00 | mmp | MetaBookfoziS: it should run quake1, though :) |
| 19:18.04 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 19:18.12 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: well, Matthias Ettrich, Knut Yrvin, Robert Griebl will likely staff the trolltech booth, with some luck I can talk them into doing it |
| 19:18.15 | keitsi | I just compiled 2.4.16 kernel on a P 133MHz :P |
| 19:18.16 | buz | heck, my core 2 duo has as much *cache* as i had ram in my first machine |
| 19:18.16 | LuitvD | buz: omg, even I was in the game earlier :P |
| 19:18.17 | keitsi | that was pain |
| 19:18.29 | LuitvD | buz: my (or my dad's) first was the Commodore PET |
| 19:18.32 | LuitvD | :) |
| 19:18.42 | LuitvD | and after that, Commodore 64 :) |
| 19:18.47 | buz | my fathers first is a imac g5 |
| 19:19.03 | MetaBookfoziS | Think forward 10years, the neo2059 will be fast as todays core 2 duo machines, lol future. |
| 19:19.07 | buz | (tho technically, he has used mainframes in the 70s) |
| 19:19.24 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: Perhaps some of the htc-linux guys are also interested. Some of them use Opie2 on the HTCs |
| 19:19.26 | MetaBookfoziS | The problem is, i think the word has end before that:/:) |
| 19:19.50 | LuitvD | MetaBookfoziS: or the mobile phones 10 years from now are thin clients connected to the Internet5 |
| 19:19.51 | X-Cray | :') |
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| 19:20.08 | buz | LuitvD: Teledesic ;) |
| 19:20.20 | LuitvD | :D |
| 19:21.05 | buz | i watched blood diamond last night and kept wondering just what size sat phones had in the late 90s? |
| 19:21.18 | buz | were they really as small as the first gsm phones? |
| 19:21.42 | LuitvD | I don't think you can use the word small there XD |
| 19:21.54 | LuitvD | s/can/can't/ |
| 19:22.05 | buz | well for something that gets a fix in the midst of the jungle.... |
| 19:22.12 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Any news on GPS on bv3? |
| 19:23.09 | CoreDump|home | any news on a precise GPS lock w/ gllin an bv4 or bv3? my "locks" are always a few hundred meters off... |
| 19:23.41 | buz | please dont pilot an oil tanker with your neo then |
| 19:24.00 | CoreDump|home | buz: I'll try to resist the urge =) |
| 19:24.14 | buz | seabirds will thank you |
| 19:24.19 | Vegar | are these locks inside or outside, CoreDump|home? |
| 19:24.33 | CoreDump|home | outside |
| 19:24.52 | CoreDump|home | on the top of a building to be precise 09 |
| 19:25.01 | Vegar | tall building? |
| 19:25.12 | CoreDump|home | nahh |
| 19:25.42 | CoreDump|home | but I'm not blocked by any other larger buildings |
| 19:28.47 | ewon | few hundred metres? |
| 19:28.51 | ewon | what's it based on? |
| 19:28.58 | ewon | anything sirf-III based should be <10m |
| 19:30.31 | buz | global locate |
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| 19:32.07 | wiml | I thought global locate |
| 19:32.23 | wiml | (errr) ... I thought GL's hardware was based on one of the other gps vendors |
| 19:32.43 | buz | what is the theoretical limit for gps accuracy? |
| 19:32.43 | ewon | GOTT IN HUMMEL |
| 19:32.49 | ewon | DAST IST NICKT EIN SIRF!? |
| 19:33.18 | ewon | madness I tell you, madness... |
| 19:33.31 | wiml | GL's thing is that they move some processing onto the host cpu instead of having an extra ARM core in the gps module |
| 19:34.11 | wiml | buz: arbitrarily good, if you're willing to accumulate data for an arbitrarily long time :) |
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| 19:34.18 | ewon | greh |
| 19:34.29 | ewon | sounds rather horrible and proprietary |
| 19:34.34 | buz | i somehow doubt that |
| 19:34.41 | ewon | is there some way of getting an NMEA string out of it? |
| 19:35.07 | CoreDump|home | ewon: yeah |
| 19:35.11 | ewon | not so bad so |
| 19:35.23 | ewon | IME offloading onto host cpu = shite |
| 19:35.44 | wiml | buz: shrug, believe it or not |
| 19:36.16 | wiml | ewon: IMHO, if the offloading is done sensibly, it's a good thing. it saves power and hw. in GL's case, it does mean having an icky proprietary daemon on the host. |
| 19:36.42 | wiml | buz: surveying gps's get millimeter accuracy |
| 19:37.00 | buz | thats very impressive but not arbitrary precision |
| 19:37.04 | buz | you just can't have that |
| 19:37.38 | wiml | http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ANTCAL/images/summary.html |
| 19:38.22 | wiml | ah, I see what you mean |
| 19:38.39 | wiml | yah, eventually the amount of time you need to integrate is long enough that the continents will drift under you |
| 19:39.29 | wiml | ~1 millimeter per month |
| 19:39.41 | buz | depends a lot on the continent |
| 19:42.08 | wiml | on the other hand, one of the things gps is used for is measuring continental drift (and other motions of the earth), so taking measurements over a long time and fitting to a curve can continue to get improved accuracy even when integration time is long enough for your receiver to have moved significantly |
| 19:42.38 | buz | are the satellite orbits really that accurate? |
| 19:43.01 | Vegar | I bet those GPSes can use a few more satellites than we can |
| 19:43.35 | buz | well you cant use more than 12, i think |
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| 19:43.54 | X-Cray | we can use DGPS |
| 19:44.22 | wiml | buz: dunno |
| 19:44.43 | buz | afaik, 12 is the most you ever see at a time |
| 19:44.49 | wiml | I think they're kept very accurate *on average*. I wonder what they reference it to? star observations? |
| 19:45.14 | wiml | Vegar: I think they just do more elaborate processing on the signals |
| 19:45.24 | wiml | and they have really well-characterized antennas |
| 19:45.30 | Vegar | yeah |
| 19:48.49 | buz | more rumours http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-05-27/next-neo1973-revision-may-use-smedia-glamo3362-gpu |
| 19:49.14 | buz | that would be killer |
| 19:49.33 | Vegar | GPU? |
| 19:49.34 | Vegar | oh my |
| 19:49.52 | wiml | whoa |
| 19:50.03 | buz | if that is true, THERE HAVE TO BE directional pad and two buttons |
| 19:50.16 | buz | i mean putting a GPU in a device yo ucant use for gaming... |
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| 19:50.29 | ewon | useful coprocessor |
| 19:51.14 | Vegar | GTA02 = P1.5/P2? |
| 19:51.17 | buz | yes |
| 19:51.21 | Vegar | nifty |
| 19:51.34 | buz | i wonder if GTA01 ever ships |
| 19:51.40 | buz | or will be killed in favor of 02 |
| 19:52.25 | wiml | counter |
| 19:52.25 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 08:03:58 (2.336 +-2.3 days) (1297;215) |
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| 19:56.43 | buz | The |
| 19:56.43 | buz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.48 | buz | that would rock |
| 19:57.13 | buz | but the 3370 would rock even more, with h.264 decoding |
| 19:57.13 | Rince | will this be in the neo from september or later? |
| 19:57.24 | mjr | well, that would kinda eliminate video playback issues |
| 19:57.25 | buz | should be before september really |
| 19:57.35 | Rince | ;) |
| 19:57.36 | Rince | nice |
| 19:57.42 | buz | LuitvD: does hxd sport anything like that? |
| 19:58.06 | LuitvD | not sure |
| 19:58.15 | buz | would make sense if it is indeed a media player |
| 19:58.22 | LuitvD | yeah... |
| 19:58.25 | LuitvD | it would... |
| 19:58.39 | buz | then again you might get away decoding 480x270 video on the 2440 |
| 19:58.42 | LuitvD | only codec chip i've seen yet in the patches is the wolfson |
| 19:58.43 | aloril | (script) planet: Jan Luebbe: Next Neo1973 revision may use the SMedia Glamo3362 GPU http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-05-27/next-neo1973-revision-may-use-smedia-glamo3362-gpu |
| 20:11.51 | buz | this project is completely bass ackward |
| 20:11.58 | buz | first they write code, then they announce features ;) |
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| 20:16.36 | dwery | what's the status of the GPS on the neo? |
| 20:17.19 | woglinde | works but there is no application |
| 20:18.25 | dwery | works means the daemon has been released? |
| 20:19.41 | woglinde | no |
| 20:19.59 | woglinde | there is an test application without source |
| 20:20.14 | woglinde | which isnt in the d |
| 20:20.17 | woglinde | dev-images |
| 20:20.23 | woglinde | from buildhost |
| 20:20.55 | dwery | ack. thanks. |
| 20:22.20 | ewon | hreh |
| 20:22.41 | LuitvD | damn, all of a sudden i've got 3-sec lag |
| 20:22.48 | LuitvD | :P |
| 20:23.16 | LuitvD | buz: yeah, it's not really as it's supposed to be, I guess... |
| 20:23.32 | LuitvD | buz: there's core people working on the hardware right now :) |
| 20:24.04 | buz | usually you sketch up big features first |
| 20:24.07 | buz | figure out you cant do it |
| 20:24.12 | buz | then drop it |
| 20:24.16 | buz | and call the PoS vista |
| 20:24.27 | LuitvD | PoS? |
| 20:24.52 | buz | piece of brown stinky substance |
| 20:25.06 | LuitvD | :P |
| 20:25.33 | LuitvD | later guys |
| 20:25.40 | LuitvD | counter |
| 20:25.40 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 07:47:21 (2.325 +-2.3 days) (1298;215) |
| 20:26.07 | LuitvD | hope there's more info on that tomorrow... the end of the month is really close... |
| 20:30.22 | mjr | mmh |
| 20:31.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[HXD8]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 20:32.37 | buz | we were promised we'd get full details on GTA02 when P1 ships |
| 20:33.22 | mjr | yes, that's right |
| 20:33.54 | buz | if 02 has a gpu AND wifi i'm so gonna wait |
| 20:36.04 | mjr | there's a matter of the discount and updated realistic timeframes that interest me also... |
| 20:37.05 | buz | yeah |
| 20:37.11 | buz | as for realistic timeframes... |
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| 20:43.37 | WebJames | hello! |
| 20:45.24 | mjr | buz, yes well, all the more reason to buy p1 anyway if one presumes p2-lateness :) |
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| 20:46.09 | buz | or wait if one presumes p1 slips ;) |
| 20:47.52 | WebJames | what are the latest rumours? |
| 20:47.52 | aloril | WebJames: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:49.45 | WebJames | aloril, shh |
| 20:50.06 | mjr | buz, we'll have to wait for p1 anyway; question is, how long would the extra wait be |
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| 20:51.06 | buz | mjr: exactly |
| 20:54.14 | WebJames | i guess the phase 1+ will be coming around the same time as the final release (phase 2) |
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| 20:57.39 | buz | i hope they are are earlier |
| 20:57.42 | buz | to have enough testing |
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| 21:05.51 | pjz | counter |
| 21:05.51 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 07:27:15 (2.311 +-2.3 days) (1299;215) |
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| 21:30.48 | SpeedEvil | Created 'openstreetmap' on the wiki - a prototype application. |
| 21:30.49 | SpeedEvil | err a prototype page. |
| 21:30.53 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure where the application would go to. |
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| 22:30.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Openstreetmap]] [[GPS_Connection_Status]] |
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| 22:38.57 | Elrond | Vegar - Yep, tried the neo in the sun. It's not really good. You usually try to make some darkness using your hand. And BTW: It's not "mine", it's lended. :-) |
| 22:39.26 | Vegar | then it's yours |
| 22:39.28 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - GPS: Nothing new since yesterday. Today, there was "real life" ;-) |
| 22:39.56 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I heared about something like this. Though it was just rumors. ;) |
| 22:40.22 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - What rumours? Huh? |
| 22:41.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Real life |
| 22:42.08 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, and for new hardware: People digging into patches today to find out about new stuff and gadgets. ;) |
| 22:45.58 | SpeedEvil | Oooh. http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3373 (hacking) |
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| 22:53.03 | Elrond | "new hardware" -- Huh? |
| 22:53.27 | stefan_schmidt | This dealextreme page looks interesting. Anybody already ordered and can tell about service, etc? |
| 22:54.23 | SpeedEvil | I've done a couple of orders from them. |
| 22:54.40 | SpeedEvil | Both came through more or less on time - 15 days or so. |
| 22:54.58 | SpeedEvil | I got some nice 1AA 1W LED flashlights. |
| 22:55.05 | SpeedEvil | $5 per, nice metal case. |
| 22:55.06 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: USA -> UK? |
| 22:55.15 | SpeedEvil | HK -> * |
| 22:55.31 | stefan_schmidt | ah |
| 22:55.31 | stefan_schmidt | The prices are nice |
| 22:56.16 | SpeedEvil | There is a large amount of crap of course. But, for example, 10 bright LED keychain 1 led lithium flashlights for $5 |
| 22:56.55 | SpeedEvil | 9 worked fine for me, and 1 had a tiny issue. |
| 22:56.56 | SpeedEvil | And 20 lithium batteries. |
| 22:57.09 | stefan_schmidt | I think I'll spend an our and see if they have enough interesting stuff to let me order. :) |
| 22:57.28 | Elrond | hehe ;) |
| 22:57.54 | SpeedEvil | Free shipping. |
| 22:57.56 | SpeedEvil | Even. |
| 22:58.15 | stefan_schmidt | Yeah, that's cool, too. |
| 22:58.24 | Elrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.40 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: :( |
| 22:58.42 | Shoragan | Elrond, we'll probably get a new GPU chip with 2D/3D acceleration :) |
| 22:59.00 | stefan_schmidt | It looks like a shop which have all this tiny things for geeks |
| 22:59.03 | Elrond | Shoragan - This smedia thing in GTA02? |
| 22:59.25 | Shoragan | yes |
| 22:59.34 | Elrond | hehe, okay. :-) |
| 22:59.36 | SpeedEvil | stefan_schmidt: yeah - lots of wierd crap. And helicopters! |
| 23:00.19 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: Perhaps I'll order at dealextreme.com, let me know if you like to add something |
| 23:00.23 | Elrond | BTW: Is more than 100MHz unstable on the Bv03? |
| 23:03.13 | Vegar | Elrond: is it usable if the sunlight is not shining directly on the display? |
| 23:04.10 | Elrond | Vegar - Not perfectly, but that's nearly okay. |
| 23:04.22 | Vegar | ok |
| 23:04.32 | Vegar | so I can use it while sunbathing? |
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| 23:06.34 | Elrond | You probably will try to put the sun in your back and get the neo into the shadow of your own body and get some better contrast due to your shadow. |
| 23:07.45 | LuitvD | lol, nobody edited the HXD8 page yet? :) |
| 23:08.21 | Elrond | So what is the hxd8? |
| 23:11.25 | SpeedEvil | It's one of the new openmoko devices. |
| 23:11.41 | SpeedEvil | It's a remote controlled vacuum cleaner. |
| 23:11.50 | mjr | with a v8 |
| 23:11.58 | mjr | a vacuum cleaner's gotta move |
| 23:12.30 | mjr | seriously though, it's clearly a gprs videophone |
| 23:12.40 | Elrond | Wait, wait... So what's the product id of the openmoko washing machine? |
| 23:13.37 | SpeedEvil | It's not USB. You can't run a washing machine off 2.5W. |
| 23:13.37 | hozer | so, um |
| 23:13.50 | hozer | what do I do to get one of these things :) |
| 23:14.22 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Well, usb to control it. A washing machine doesn't need to be mobile, so it can have a nice 220V connector. :) |
| 23:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Not possible ATM. |
| 23:14.40 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 23:14.40 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 06:22:51 (2.266 +-2.3 days) (1300;215) |
| 23:15.08 | hozer | heh, I am more interested in finding out what I need to get a Neo1973 and reasonable GSM service in the US |
| 23:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Wait a week or so perhaps. |
| 23:15.39 | SpeedEvil | Release date has not been revealed. |
| 23:15.44 | Elrond | hozer - For service, check the wiki. |
| 23:15.47 | SpeedEvil | Service depends on your carrier. |
| 23:15.47 | hozer | cool |
| 23:15.49 | SpeedEvil | and that |
| 23:16.55 | hozer | well.. right now I have a treo650 and sprint |
| 23:17.34 | hozer | so I'm wondering when I should start thinking about switching |
| 23:19.12 | Elrond | sprint doesn't do GSM? |
| 23:19.26 | SuN | Heh, so basically you're thinking about thinking about something? |
| 23:19.36 | SuN | You sure plan things :D |
| 23:19.40 | Elrond | *G* |
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| 23:22.04 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Before there is more news on gps-with-Bv3, I need to get an usb-extension-cable to get the neo near the window ;-) |
| 23:22.16 | hozer | Okay, I want to switch to some linux-based phone |
| 23:22.29 | hozer | it's just a matter of when, and what carrier. |
| 23:22.52 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Just move your pc or use bluetooth for networking. :) |
| 23:23.51 | SpeedEvil | Or remove the roof. |
| 23:24.26 | Elrond | *giggle* |
| 23:26.01 | Vegar | hozer: can't you buy unlocked phones? |
| 23:26.13 | hozer | Vegar: sprint is CDMA |
| 23:26.18 | Vegar | and use whatever carrier you want |
| 23:26.59 | mjr | yes, whatever GSM carrier :] |
| 23:27.20 | hozer | What is the ping latency most people are seeing on GSM connections? |
| 23:27.20 | aloril | hozer: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:27.36 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - My royal household wouldn't like me ;o) |
| 23:30.56 | SpeedEvil | hozer: Do you mean GPRS? |
| 23:31.05 | SpeedEvil | hozer: GPRS latencies can be bad - up to a second or a bit more. |
| 23:31.20 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - yuck, really? |
| 23:31.24 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 23:31.27 | woglinde | elrond yes |
| 23:31.35 | woglinde | *g* have a course this term |
| 23:31.41 | woglinde | about mobil communication |
| 23:31.55 | Elrond | Ahh, okay. |
| 23:32.06 | woglinde | umts is better |
| 23:32.15 | mjr | "duh" :] |
| 23:32.17 | woglinde | but isnt available all |
| 23:33.05 | woglinde | gprs and gsm isnt in the end isdn |
| 23:33.08 | woglinde | ups is |
| 23:33.10 | woglinde | *g* |
| 23:33.30 | mjr | my gprs latency doesn't usually get quite that bad, but yes, it's slow |
| 23:34.02 | woglinde | mjr depends where you live and how many users you have in your cell |
| 23:34.05 | mjr | don't recall numbers now, more than 0.5 s anyway |
| 23:34.10 | mjr | yep |
| 23:35.07 | woglinde | okay nite |
| 23:36.10 | SpeedEvil | A 5V -> 6V USB dongle. |
| 23:36.19 | SpeedEvil | With a USB socket on the apparent output end. |
| 23:36.38 | Vegar | what would you use that for? |
| 23:37.15 | mjr | weird |
| 23:37.27 | Elrond | That looks totaly out-of-spec.... is it even allowed to have a female usb-A thing?! |
| 23:38.33 | SpeedEvil | Sure - as a socket. |
| 23:39.03 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: the only _possible_ use I could come up with would be using high power USB devices on the ends of very long cables. |
| 23:39.08 | Elrond | Well, a socket, that gives non-usb-voltage? |
| 23:39.24 | SpeedEvil | But, you stand a good chance of frying stuff. |
| 23:39.51 | mjr | yeah, to counter resistance... but pfft |
| 23:39.54 | Elrond | If you see a 220V socket, you wouldn't expect 1kV out of it, right? |
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| 23:40.51 | mjr | Elrond, yes, 'cause that's the same ;) |
| 23:41.49 | Vegar | "Jabra headsets compatible with MTU-HST1 require 6 volts to recharge. For these headsets, you will need a 6V USB Power Booster" |
| 23:41.59 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:42.05 | mjr | Vegar, argh |
| 23:42.15 | SuN | Awesome product design. |
| 23:42.25 | mjr | just great |
| 23:42.30 | Elrond | How stupid can one design things? |
| 23:42.39 | mjr | maybe the actualy _product_ should have the step-up chip |
| 23:43.14 | SuN | Or just take 5V and take 5 minutes longer to charge. |
| 23:43.32 | Elrond | mjr - Exactly. |
| 23:45.32 | LuitvD | byebye |
| 23:45.55 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the design process went something like: Oh damn. We have 100000 of these, and they don't charge off 5V. |
| 23:46.36 | mjr | may be :) |
| 23:47.19 | Elrond | hehe |
| 23:47.36 | mjr | ah, actually |
| 23:47.45 | mjr | looking at http://www.syncharger.com/mtip/mtip-hset-jab.htm |
| 23:48.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2089 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/ (include/openmoko.inc openmoko.conf): |
| 23:48.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * Use OpenMoko naming instead of OpenMoko. The second was only used in the |
| 23:48.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Amsterdam presentation slides. All other places use OpenMoko. Patch from |
| 23:48.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Soeren Apel <abraxa@dar-clan.de>. Closes bug #505 |
| 23:48.34 | SuN | Now that's real progress. Changing OpenMoko to... OpenMoko. |
| 23:48.47 | Vegar | I bet he typoed OpenMoKo |
| 23:49.02 | mjr | seems that somebody's just selling a USB to power jack converter, that happens to fit the Jabra, which is apparently not an USB device |
| 23:49.19 | SuN | Next thing they're going to upgrade 2.6.21 to 2.6.21! |
| 23:49.36 | mjr | so a form of getting generic devices to charge off of USB |
| 23:51.04 | SpeedEvil | But it has a USB plug and socket only. |
| 23:51.47 | mjr | SpeedEvil, meant to be used together with one that does only the appropriate power plug, which, I guess, can be used for some 5 volt things too |
| 23:52.09 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
