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| 00:20.27 | Elrond | Looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--list how does one get from "Runtime Mode" to "DFU Mode"? |
| 00:22.13 | CoreDump|home | dfu-util does that for your as long as your are in u-boot mode |
| 00:24.57 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Can't dfu-util do it just so to get the full "alt=*", "name=*" list? |
| 00:25.13 | CoreDump|home | hrm |
| 00:25.17 | CoreDump|home | well, dunno |
| 00:28.52 | Elrond | Okay, so if I see a "DFU runtime", I can go ahead and flash something into the device? |
| 00:31.09 | CoreDump|home | you can flash when you are in the u-boot mode |
| 00:31.27 | CoreDump|home | if the device isn't ready, dfu-util will tell you =) |
| 00:31.54 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 00:32.37 | CoreDump|home | how did you manage to get a neo anyway? ;) |
| 00:32.43 | Bish | kids in ameriiicaaa |
| 00:33.44 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - A kind person (who now has a P1) borrowed me his P0 a few days ago. :) |
| 00:33.58 | CoreDump|home | i see |
| 00:34.16 | Elrond | And as usual, I find all bugs. ;o) |
| 00:34.24 | CoreDump|home | it's full of them =D |
| 00:34.32 | Bish | lol |
| 00:34.39 | Bish | what about the p1? |
| 00:34.50 | Elrond | Well, not only hardware bugs. ;) |
| 00:35.34 | Elrond | I just read some code and think, I need to review it tomorrow (when I'm more awake) again. ;) |
| 00:35.38 | CoreDump|home | Bish: P1 behaves fine |
| 00:35.44 | Bish | <3 |
| 00:35.49 | Bish | i really want to buy this phone |
| 00:36.10 | Bish | what is about the video aspect? will it be able to play videos like a movie? |
| 00:36.25 | CoreDump|home | AFAIK, not at fullscreen =( |
| 00:36.53 | Elrond | probably not. |
| 00:37.06 | Bish | .. hm even p2 ? |
| 00:37.23 | SpeedEvil | It will play videos fullscreen. |
| 00:37.25 | SpeedEvil | At half res. |
| 00:37.34 | Bish | 02:36 < Bish> .. hm even p2 ? |
| 00:37.34 | Elrond | *G* |
| 00:37.35 | Bish | !!! ? |
| 00:37.43 | Elrond | Bish - We don't know. |
| 00:37.52 | Bish | but WHAT do you think :/ |
| 00:38.06 | Bish | i really would like to use it as mobile cinema , too |
| 00:38.24 | CoreDump|home | we all would |
| 00:38.40 | Bish | man that would be a big minus for 1973 |
| 00:38.40 | Elrond | Not me ;) |
| 00:39.14 | Bish | i bet u live in console , Elrond |
| 00:40.29 | SpeedEvil | IME. |
| 00:40.34 | SpeedEvil | IMO rather. |
| 00:40.39 | SpeedEvil | For 2.8" screen. |
| 00:40.44 | SpeedEvil | Even quarter res is fine. |
| 00:40.50 | SpeedEvil | 160*120 |
| 00:40.57 | SpeedEvil | At something like 200kbps |
| 00:41.16 | Elrond | Bish - Well, *I* live in the real world. :) If you mean, that I like consoles: Yes. |
| 00:41.24 | Bish | lol , yeah |
| 00:41.41 | Bish | SpeedEvil: but fullscreen lucks fuking better :/ |
| 00:41.48 | Bish | looks* man damn alcohol |
| 00:42.11 | SpeedEvil | Fullscreen, software expanded |
| 00:42.23 | SpeedEvil | It does half resolution natively - the LCD |
| 00:42.27 | SpeedEvil | 320*240 |
| 00:42.39 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Oh yes. I showed the thing of to a friend (he's working in the embedded area) with mostly good eyes. Even he thinks the fonts are too small. ;o) |
| 00:42.53 | SpeedEvil | At normal viewing distances, 120*160 is quite reasonable DPI |
| 00:42.56 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - ... so QVGA or anything would be fine. :) |
| 00:43.24 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 00:43.33 | SpeedEvil | There simply isn't enough CPU to decode at 640*480 |
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| 00:43.51 | Bish | but the cpu will be faster at P2 |
| 00:43.55 | Bish | wont it? |
| 00:44.00 | Bish | oh please .P |
| 00:44.07 | SpeedEvil | You will not be able to see the difference. |
| 00:44.26 | SpeedEvil | Between fullscreen, and half res. Unless you bring the screen within 20cm or so |
| 00:44.42 | Bish | ah i now i got it.. |
| 00:44.44 | SpeedEvil | It's a damn small screen. |
| 00:44.57 | Bish | damn small? .. hm compared with my samsung d500 lol |
| 00:44.58 | Elrond | 300dpi color is dman high res. |
| 00:45.08 | SpeedEvil | 2.8" |
| 00:45.42 | Bish | im sure u guys will make openmoko/neo1973 quite cool |
| 00:46.00 | Elrond | Bish - You can also make it cool. ;) |
| 00:47.34 | Bish | yeah, but my coding skills are not that good xD |
| 00:48.06 | Bish | i even just using linux for 6 month |
| 00:48.14 | Elrond | translation? ;) |
| 00:48.18 | Bish | ah sure.. |
| 00:48.35 | Bish | but there are more than enough german translators |
| 00:48.43 | Elrond | hehe. ;o) |
| 00:49.00 | Elrond | How many percents of the people in this channel are from .de? ;) |
| 00:49.02 | Bish | it was a joke right? coz my english is bad at the moment :P |
| 00:49.20 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 00:49.35 | Bish | i dont know xD |
| 00:49.38 | Elrond | Bish - Or learn the wiki by heart and answer questions here and/or on the ML. ;o) |
| 00:49.47 | Bish | lol i already did |
| 00:50.05 | Elrond | So you helped. :) |
| 00:50.16 | Bish | im just overwhelmed by the idea of an opensource os for mobilephones |
| 00:50.19 | Bish | im fuking crazy about it xD |
| 00:50.29 | Elrond | :) |
| 00:51.03 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - BTW: Do you remember the mother on the ML asking about the dangerous laser in the stylus? |
| 00:52.04 | Elrond | Bish - Do what I did: Remove the batteries from the stylus. ;) |
| 00:52.31 | Bish | lol :P first ill have to buy a neo1973 xD |
| 00:52.48 | Elrond | Well, the stylus is available for $5 or so on ebay. ;o) |
| 00:53.10 | Bish | lol. and what should i do with it ? |
| 00:53.17 | Bish | except takin the battery out of it |
| 00:53.43 | Elrond | Annoying everybody with the laser ;o) |
| 00:54.02 | Bish | yeah like annoying the channel :P |
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| 00:58.30 | Elrond | Anyway, good night people. :-) |
| 00:58.52 | Bish | gn8 Elrond |
| 00:59.22 | Bish | -_- gr .. u are german |
| 00:59.39 | Elrond | hehe, yeah. |
| 00:59.59 | Elrond | As I said: There are lots of germans in here. |
| 01:00.13 | guaqua | had a baaad chat with a german this night |
| 01:00.18 | SuN | And almost-Germans :D |
| 01:01.10 | guaqua | he didn't take the independence of out neighbour country seriously enough |
| 01:01.17 | guaqua | our, that is |
| 01:01.55 | thomasg_gpm | what country? :) |
| 01:01.58 | Bish | yeah netherlands SuN xD |
| 01:02.11 | guaqua | estonia, in this conversation |
| 01:03.14 | thomasg_gpm | so I hope you do not put the whole country on the same level as this person :) |
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| 01:03.58 | guaqua | thomasg_gpm: trying :) |
| 01:15.16 | guaqua | i luv all the germans :) except this guy.... |
| 01:15.27 | Bish | wich guy? |
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| 01:15.52 | guaqua | not in ircf |
| 01:16.03 | guaqua | and hopefully not here |
| 01:16.21 | guaqua | off to sleep anyway |
| 01:16.24 | guaqua | --> |
| 01:16.25 | Bish | -_- gn8 |
| 01:21.29 | mrcucumber | Hello |
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| 01:26.29 | Bish | hello dude |
| 01:28.19 | webjames | mrcucumber: nice nick, original |
| 01:29.46 | mrcucumber | Thanks, I don't really know what it means.. just kind of made it up. |
| 01:30.10 | webjames | i bet the ladies get a pretty good idea what it means |
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| 01:30.53 | webjames | a better story than you just made it up would be that your girlfriend made it up |
| 01:31.04 | mrcucumber | :) |
| 01:31.16 | mrcucumber | I just gave her a wink |
| 01:31.31 | webjames | haha, hopefully tomorrow will carry news of the neo |
| 01:31.49 | Bish | <3 |
| 01:32.09 | mrcucumber | k |
| 01:32.51 | webjames | just watched jake 2.0 american series about this dude with nanites in him, except it got pulled after the 1st series, i thought it was okay |
| 01:34.34 | mrcucumber | Anyways. I'd like to lend a hand with the OpenMoko stuff however I can, if someone gives me a bug I'll try and fixi it. |
| 01:34.36 | webjames | it's going to be cool being able to put tv episodes on the neo, i was hoping for jake 2.0 series 2 but obviously not going to happen |
| 01:35.50 | webjames | mrcucumber: have you built openmoko in qemu yet? |
| 01:35.58 | mrcucumber | webjames:yup |
| 01:36.12 | mrcucumber | webjames:I think my dev environment is all ready to go. |
| 01:36.45 | webjames | mrcucumber: awesome, well hopefully someone can give you something to get going on |
| 01:37.11 | mrcucumber | Used the mokomakefile |
| 01:37.50 | webjames | mrcucumber: balrog-kun seems to know whats going on, you could message him. also good news about the mokomakefile it wasn't working earlier this week |
| 01:39.17 | webjames | mrcucumber: anyway good luck, i'm off to bed. night |
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| 02:12.16 | mrcucumber | balrog-kun:Hello |
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| 02:16.12 | mrcucumber | Hello!! I can program I want to help, put me to work! |
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| 04:38.20 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late May. <> Mass market in September. |
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| 04:47.36 | mrcucumber | Hello? |
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| 04:49.35 | Mr_You | So OpenMoko and SavaJe compete? |
| 04:49.35 | aloril | Mr_You: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 04:53.59 | mwester | Mr_You: it's hard to compete with a failure (SavaJe). |
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| 04:55.28 | Mr_You | what benefits does OpenMoko have over SavaJe? |
| 04:57.28 | mwester | Hehe! |
| 04:57.28 | mwester | For one thing, it's still viable. It's also not Java. |
| 04:57.42 | hads | Two lovely reasons |
| 04:57.50 | mwester | OpenMoko is Linux-based, and permits the use of many standard Linux applications without rewriting. |
| 04:58.10 | Mr_You | what GUI framework? |
| 04:58.34 | mwester | Many others can be ported, with the only rewriting necessary being to adapt to the screen resolution and the input mechanism. |
| 04:58.42 | mwester | The GUI is standard X-windows stuff. |
| 04:58.57 | Mr_You | I'm personally pretty turned off by the lack of a single cross-platform API. |
| 04:59.12 | Mr_You | so there really hasn't been one chosen yet? |
| 04:59.19 | hads | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 04:59.42 | Mr_You | yeah still too new |
| 05:00.03 | Mr_You | I think SavaJe has a better chanc. |
| 05:00.12 | hads | heh |
| 05:01.06 | mwester | How so? They died. Sun bought the IP. |
| 05:02.02 | Mr_You | maybe Sun will open-source it or who knows. But I don't see why it can't offer the same as OpenMoko except its still closed currently. |
| 05:02.55 | mwester | But regardless - an implementation that requires that every application be rewritten in Java to comply with the new API will, IMO, have the same problems that every cell phone today has -- no useful apps. |
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| 05:03.49 | Mr_You | well the "new API" is just JavaFX and is implemented via JVM "upgrade". |
| 05:03.54 | mwester | The huge difference with OpenMoko is that I can take any application for which I have source, and compile it for the device, and as long as it (the application) doesn't have special hardware needs, it will run. |
| 05:04.12 | hads | And, it exists :) |
| 05:04.31 | Mr_You | mwester: like what for example? |
| 05:05.56 | Mr_You | generally you would port any application to run within the limited specs that are available with a phone. |
| 05:06.16 | Mr_You | essentially creating a new version. |
| 05:06.38 | mwester | Have you used X? |
| 05:06.41 | Mr_You | if you build apps in Java already then thats appealing. |
| 05:06.48 | Mr_You | sure. |
| 05:07.03 | mwester | Ok, then you know that porting is not required for many common apps. |
| 05:07.06 | Mr_You | most apps are built ontop of GNOME or KDE, etc. |
| 05:07.17 | mwester | You speak of GUI apps. |
| 05:07.20 | Mr_You | GNOME or KDE is not going to run on a phone, last I heard heh |
| 05:07.22 | Mr_You | yes |
| 05:07.24 | hads | I wouldn't say most. |
| 05:07.27 | mwester | I also speak of command line tools and services |
| 05:07.35 | Mr_You | yes thats what I've been talking about this whole time, mentioned above. |
| 05:07.53 | Mr_You | ok, well 90% of the market isn't interested in that. |
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| 05:08.42 | Mr_You | we need connected/disconnected mobile GUI apps. |
| 05:08.45 | mwester | You miss the whole the point, Mr_You. |
| 05:09.07 | Mr_You | not at all, I'm talking about apps users would use, not admins or engnieers. |
| 05:09.24 | Mr_You | but the whole discussion is kinda wasted cause OpenMoke has no GUI API yet. |
| 05:09.34 | hads | Umm |
| 05:09.44 | Mr_You | but I would agree with you in regards to the just recompile part. |
| 05:09.59 | mwester | User "GUI apps" are built with the assumption of underlying services and tools. Those underlying services and tools *are* built, and are part of Linux. The GUI stuff is window dressing on what's underneath. |
| 05:10.10 | mwester | That's the problem with a phone based on Java. |
| 05:10.22 | mwester | Everything underneath must be built, mostly from scratch. |
| 05:10.57 | Mr_You | I understand that, and I'm telling you 90% of the user and developer market only care about what API they have to use to code a GUI app that most users (90%) would be using. |
| 05:11.35 | mwester | But, perhaps you are right -- in that case, it is only necessary to port the SavaJe JVM to ARM, and load it up on the device -- then you could run both native OpenMoko apps *AND* SavaJe apps. |
| 05:11.40 | Mr_You | it could be javascript (which seems Apple might be doing, but so far their closed).. or any other language. |
| 05:11.53 | Mr_You | probably. |
| 05:12.04 | hads | This conversation isn't going anywhere fast |
| 05:12.15 | mwester | You're right hads. |
| 05:12.18 | Mr_You | nice cliche |
| 05:12.31 | Mr_You | I thought it resolved itself nicely actually. |
| 05:12.35 | Mr_You | :-P |
| 05:13.02 | Mr_You | well thanks for the chat ;-) |
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| 05:13.32 | hads | I don't think he quite grasped the fact that it's just Linux and X. |
| 05:14.25 | mwester | I think you're right. He doesn't seem to have the framework to understand the difference... |
| 05:14.45 | mwester | Oh well :) |
| 05:15.21 | hads | It's odd to see the amount of people that drop by here and seem to completely miss the point of the project. |
| 05:15.40 | hads | (not referring to this instance specifically) |
| 05:16.02 | mwester | At least they are curious enough about it to drop by, which is good. |
| 05:16.56 | hads | That's true. I'm just an intersted lurker :) |
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| 08:19.41 | massi | ciao c'รจ qualche italiano^ |
| 08:28.03 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:32.50 | Mukunda | Hmm, Neo1973 still isn't out... :-( |
| 08:34.25 | hads | I'd guess everyone here knows that :) |
| 08:36.08 | Mukunda | :-) Anyone know about this possible PDA that might be made? I'm _hugely_ interested in a PDA that runs with 100% Free-software. |
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| 09:12.50 | Elrond | Hi everybody. |
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| 09:35.00 | sparq | mwester: I, for one, and not surprised. Haven't you ever read the comments people leave on YouTube? There are a *lot* of people out there, and that means that there are a lot of idiots. |
| 09:36.48 | sparq | Elrond: Hi (though I cannot claim to be "everybody") |
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| 09:42.09 | sparq | mwester: In any event, he sounded like he's a Java guy. Java guys often have a weird way of looking at software (obsessed with APIs, near-religious faith in Sun's good intentions, failure to understand or care how other people write software, believe that Java is "fast", et cetera) |
| 09:44.49 | sparq | Java is neat and all, but I've always found the community to be... worrying. Like Star Trek fans who don't seem to have a sharply defined line between the show and Real Life. They can be nice, smart people... but worrying. |
| 09:45.51 | hads | heh |
| 09:47.43 | Elrond | Does something like fsck.jffs2 exist? |
| 09:48.09 | zecke | /bin/true yourimage |
| 09:50.22 | Elrond | ;o) |
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| 09:58.33 | LuitvD | counter |
| 09:58.34 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week 02:01:42 (7.085 +-5.0 days) (1219;209) |
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| 10:03.56 | LuitvD | so is the first run going on today? |
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| 10:06.46 | d4rkm3n | is the neo1973 rain-proofe? |
| 10:06.59 | Psi | LuitvD, you will know at the same time we do, when we all get an announcement. |
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| 10:07.21 | Psi | d4rkm3n, no more or less than any normal cellphone |
| 10:07.56 | Psi | actually, considering it has a touchscreen it will probably be abit less waterproof, but im only guessing |
| 10:08.35 | LuitvD | Psi: oh well... the first-planned production date went by without info for at least 3 days before an announcement was made... |
| 10:08.38 | d4rkm3n | neo1973: the first handy with touchscreen underwater ^^ |
| 10:09.40 | Psi | LuitvD, all i mean, is that there is no point thinking about it, we will find out when we find out. |
| 10:10.46 | LuitvD | Psi: yup... and sean promised an announcement when it's there... time for me to subscribe then eh? :P |
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| 10:10.59 | Psi | lol, yes |
| 10:11.13 | Psi | announce is the one you want |
| 10:11.35 | LuitvD | hell, I'll just do both |
| 10:11.40 | LuitvD | (announce and community) |
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| 10:12.15 | Psi | even in digest form you get about 10 community emails a day |
| 10:12.25 | Psi | with each having between 5-10 emails |
| 10:12.44 | Psi | sorry, i meant to say, you get about 4 community emails per day |
| 10:12.50 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Is the missing patch from oe the reason for failing openmoko-rssreader? |
| 10:13.12 | d4rkm3n | is it possible to play moorhuhn on the openmoko? |
| 10:13.19 | LuitvD | Psi: I don't care :P |
| 10:13.51 | Psi | :) |
| 10:13.53 | LuitvD | d4rkm3n: moorhuhn jagt is closed source software |
| 10:14.18 | Psi | hehe, just got another community digest two seconds ago |
| 10:14.36 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 10:15.04 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/libmrss/files/better-parse-url-r0.patch ? |
| 10:15.05 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I have added a method to libmrss that is now called |
| 10:15.12 | zecke | sounds right |
| 10:15.12 | LuitvD | Psi: the fun thing about email filters is being able to group things :) I gather many mailing lists on one label in my email-account, and read them whenever I feel like reading |
| 10:15.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I'll try to push it in. |
| 10:15.53 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Sometimes a bit stuck due to mickeys moving |
| 10:16.06 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I have updated libmrss from 0.17.1 to 0.17.2 but the patch could apply to mrss 17.1 |
| 10:16.22 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ok |
| 10:21.33 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: the feed reader is almost useful now |
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| 10:21.53 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: cool |
| 10:22.39 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: What do you use for html rendering atm? |
| 10:25.08 | zecke | HTML? nothing |
| 10:25.28 | zecke | I hope to use WebKit by the end of the next week |
| 10:26.19 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: So you only handle the rss stuff right now? |
| 10:26.40 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: yes, pretty lame :) |
| 10:26.55 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I can download rss, cache it, restore it, search it with as you type |
| 10:27.48 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh, it's fine. I just though you mean also html stuff with almost useful |
| 10:28.29 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ok, openmoko-rssreader build fine again with the new linmrss and the patch from oe |
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| 10:34.50 | PBeck | tag |
| 10:35.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=569 |
| 10:37.00 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: let us hope some one applies it |
| 10:38.05 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I'll already pushed werner. Mickey and Harald seem to be offline atm |
| 10:38.23 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: But I'll push the whole day anyway. :) |
| 10:40.59 | stefan_schmidt | BTW, anybody here know a small lib for parsing .desktop files? |
| 10:41.34 | stefan_schmidt | openmoko-mainmenu could need it ;) |
| 10:42.33 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: can you build xdg-utils as library? |
| 10:42.55 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: No idea, but I'll take a look. xdg should be the right direction. |
| 10:43.16 | zecke | I don't know if fd.o is back online again |
| 10:44.10 | robster | stefan_schmidt: there should be some code in matchbox-desktop you can use |
| 10:44.33 | robster | or matchbox-desktop-2 even |
| 10:44.34 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: it is |
| 10:45.15 | stefan_schmidt | robster: Also an idea. Still would prefer a small lib as we also would use it in openmoko-panel-mainmenu |
| 10:48.01 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, it wonders me a bit everybody write his own parsing |
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| 10:58.57 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh, xdg-utils is out. It's shell. :) |
| 10:59.12 | zecke | lol |
| 11:03.59 | stefan_schmidt | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-desktop-2/launcher-util.c?rev=1501&view=markup |
| 11:04.22 | robster | stefan_schmidt: its's like one c file. |
| 11:04.33 | stefan_schmidt | robster: So launcher-util sounds like a good basement |
| 11:05.06 | stefan_schmidt | robster: Indeed. I just don't know if I like to copy'&'paste this file everywhere. |
| 11:05.22 | stefan_schmidt | robster: I need to think about this a bit more |
| 11:06.57 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: Maybe desktop-file-utils coud give you some hints? (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/desktop-file-utils) |
| 11:08.29 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Let me take a look |
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| 11:12.46 | stefan_schmidt | OK, so I'll read launcher-util from matchbox and desktop-file-utils today and think about a good solution. Thanks guys. |
| 11:13.31 | stefan_schmidt | But now it's time for a break. My GF is cooking her fine lasagne today. yummy :) |
| 11:15.47 | SpeedEvil | Does she have a horrible lasagne to match? |
| 11:15.50 | SpeedEvil | Wave |
| 11:17.52 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: No need. I *know* this one is the best. It's the one of my GF. ;) |
| 11:18.14 | SpeedEvil | Ah :) /me is doing some nice braised steak. |
| 11:21.47 | d4rkm3n | is umts possible with the moko? |
| 11:21.52 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:22.03 | SpeedEvil | Though with openmoko, and some future phone, yes. |
| 11:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Not with the neo1973 - which is the first phone to launch (probably) |
| 11:22.24 | SpeedEvil | Which is quadband GSM only |
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| 11:23.07 | SpeedEvil | UTMS radios are comparatively expensive too. |
| 11:23.26 | d4rkm3n | :( then i have to wait 2 more years... for camera and more |
| 11:23.33 | SpeedEvil | Who knows. |
| 11:23.45 | SpeedEvil | If it takes off, more makers may jump on. |
| 11:24.04 | buz | or e28 might decide to ship their stuff |
| 11:24.16 | buz | upon which openmoko shouldnt be that hard to get running |
| 11:24.55 | buz | isnt the universal umts? that one has cam too |
| 11:25.03 | buz | was the first device outside fic to run openmoko |
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| 11:33.56 | tholin | is it ok for users to add their own suggestions on this page or is it just official apps? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
| 11:34.16 | tholin | I have LOTS of ideas for applications. Some more crazy than others |
| 11:35.12 | hads | "This page describes the set of applications being developed by the core set of OpenMoko developers" |
| 11:35.30 | hads | Just create a new page if there isn't another that suits already. |
| 11:38.21 | tholin | this looks suited for random brainstorming. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List |
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| 11:56.31 | SpeedEvil | If you actually intend to start coding on them, maybe Applications:contribs |
| 11:57.02 | SpeedEvil | hads: Ideally, all the basic apps have to fit inside 64M. |
| 11:57.15 | SpeedEvil | hads: Otherwise the user can't easily change the microSD. |
| 11:57.32 | d4rkm3n | a wikipedia rip is a good idea, too |
| 11:57.39 | hads | SpeedEvil: For sure, I've just been reading through the scripting language thread. |
| 11:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 11:57.59 | SpeedEvil | d4rkm3n: Not in 64M :) |
| 11:58.15 | d4rkm3n | on a mSD |
| 11:58.27 | SpeedEvil | And given the choice between a wikipedia rip, and a dozen or more albums... |
| 11:58.36 | hads | Quite, especially with all the base stuff that has to go in the onboard memory. |
| 12:00.39 | rd_ | !counter |
| 12:00.49 | SpeedEvil | A week or two. |
| 12:00.53 | hads | heh |
| 12:00.53 | SpeedEvil | Maybe sixteen. |
| 12:00.56 | SpeedEvil | Who knows. |
| 12:01.05 | LuitvD | LOL |
| 12:01.07 | rd_ | -.- |
| 12:01.14 | rd_ | i lost my phone yesterday |
| 12:01.23 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 12:01.34 | LuitvD | how did you manage to do that? :| |
| 12:01.38 | rd_ | time to get a new one, openmoko would be a good choice .. :D |
| 12:01.40 | SpeedEvil | It could barely concievably be a week. |
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| 12:02.09 | hads | I doubt it's quite ready to replace your daily use phone, unless you like debugging on the run. |
| 12:02.26 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 12:02.41 | rd_ | hads, yeap, i always have two phones with me |
| 12:02.51 | hads | Except now ;) |
| 12:03.00 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - having GCC + sources + terminal on the phone is just _cool_. |
| 12:03.13 | SpeedEvil | (with a large SD card) |
| 12:03.17 | hads | heh |
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| 12:09.32 | d4rkm3n | can someone make a video of his neo please? |
| 12:09.46 | Elrond | d4rkm3n - video? For what? |
| 12:10.21 | d4rkm3n | better than pictures ;) |
| 12:10.51 | Elrond | I can't see, why a video is better. |
| 12:11.11 | d4rkm3n | it give a better impression |
| 12:11.15 | d4rkm3n | gives |
| 12:11.20 | _llll_ | compare the success of youtube to images.google.com for example |
| 12:11.58 | zipola | d4rkm3n, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Introduction#Videos |
| 12:12.27 | d4rkm3n | http://youtube.com/watch?v=wgUZSwOWMEM |
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| 12:32.12 | kiney_ | counter |
| 12:32.12 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: 6 days 23:28:04 (6.978 +-5.0 days) (1220;209) |
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| 12:51.17 | Elrond | pH5 - hi. |
| 12:51.39 | pH5 | hi Elrond |
| 12:52.26 | pengwen | free my phone now! |
| 12:52.52 | Elrond | pengwen - Has it been phonenapped? ;) |
| 12:53.09 | Elrond | pH5 - Do you use a prebuilt kernel or your own? |
| 12:53.18 | pengwen | mhm, and they installed a blasted camera in it! |
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| 12:57.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Talk:Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
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| 13:00.30 | pH5 | Elrond: the p0 is running my own kernel, I didn't find time to touch the p1 software yet. |
| 13:01.08 | pH5 | although 'my own' is said too much, it's the kernel built by the angstrom openmoko-devel-image in OE. |
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| 13:06.30 | Elrond | pH5 - Ahh. |
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| 13:15.07 | Elrond | Anyone seen pavel? |
| 13:18.03 | pH5 | ~seen pavelm |
| 13:18.05 | apt | pavelm <n=pavel@gprs189-60.eurotel.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 4d 22m 27s ago, saying: 'ph5: I should arrive tommorow or day after that... so I'm looking forward.'. |
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| 13:31.42 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 13:39.18 | giggls | any news from GPS support? |
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| 13:48.45 | Elrond | giggls - As soon, as I have setup a buildenv, I'll go ahead and try to get into more details of the protocol. |
| 13:51.11 | giggls | Elrond: my question is wheather I should wait for openmoko or buy a garmin device for the time beeing |
| 13:53.27 | Elrond | giggls - Depends on what your timescale is and what you want. |
| 13:54.14 | giggls | Elrond: I want a device for openstreetmap data aquisition |
| 13:55.23 | Elrond | giggle - Ahh. Then garmin and the neo are almost as good. So the main question is: When do you want to have it? |
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| 14:05.05 | Bish | heros ! |
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| 14:05.26 | Elrond | Hi Bish. This time without being drunken? ;o) |
| 14:11.12 | Bish | yah ;) |
| 14:11.24 | CoreDump|home | heroes rocks |
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| 14:56.58 | mjr | dih dum, 210 euros for a usb hsdpa modem, plus power injector and lo, neo with 3g ;P |
| 14:57.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Dynamic_Screen_Orientation]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 14:57.34 | buz | so you pay nearly as much for the modem as for the cellphone you use it with |
| 14:57.35 | buz | ROFL |
| 14:57.55 | mjr | actually, I think I'll pass for now ;) |
| 14:58.00 | buz | that must be rather high on the geek scale, using an umts modem with a cellphone |
| 14:58.19 | Stephmw | ~v12 |
| 14:58.21 | apt | [v12] the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ |
| 14:58.45 | Stephmw | just needs some miniaturisation |
| 15:04.32 | SuN | Hm, I guess it'd be cheaper and easier to just get a simple UMTS phone with bluetooth :) |
| 15:04.38 | SuN | And link it to the Neo. |
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| 15:07.32 | mjr | maybe if you sell your soul to an operator for it |
| 15:08.26 | mjr | It _would_ be handier. But still, I'll do with GPRS. |
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| 15:18.24 | aloril2 | counter |
| 15:18.24 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: 6 days 20:41:52 (6.862 +-5.0 days) (1221;209) |
| 15:21.04 | aloril2 | if we don't hear anything next week, then I guess May won't happen |
| 15:26.37 | Magon | how to tell openembedded which packages should be in rootfs? |
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| 16:12.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2043 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/ (21 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:12.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-05-20 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 16:12.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/*.{c,h}: |
| 16:12.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Remove tons of trailing whitspaces |
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| 16:18.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2044 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:18.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-05-20 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 16:18.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/mokodesktop.c: |
| 16:18.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/mokodesktop.h: |
| 16:18.12 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/mokodesktop_item.c: |
| 16:18.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/mokodesktop_item.h: |
| 16:18.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Add missing licence header. |
| 16:25.43 | aloril2 | one could convey message using trailing white space in source code ;-) |
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| 16:29.06 | KragenSitaker | yay CIA |
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| 16:31.57 | CoreDump|home | cc |
| 16:32.04 | CoreDump|home | err |
| 16:40.21 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-rssreader/scripts/prepare-ChangeLog |
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| 16:58.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] |
| 17:12.37 | Bish | does anybody here got a nice picture of the neo1973 .. i need it to shot it to my friends :P |
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| 17:13.45 | Bish | show* |
| 17:14.16 | CoreDump|home | the wiki links to some photos |
| 17:15.32 | Bish | but there is no good one :/ |
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| 17:16.07 | CoreDump|home | Bish: search flickr |
| 17:18.00 | Bish | GSM, GPRS 2.5G (Not EDGE), Bluetooth 2.0 EDR, no WiFi |
| 17:18.02 | Bish | no wifi? |
| 17:18.13 | Bish | i thought it will have? |
| 17:18.30 | mjr | you thought wrong |
| 17:18.36 | Bish | damn .. ou |
| 17:18.44 | mjr | though the question is still somewhat open on the final hw revision |
| 17:18.55 | Bish | ;) phew |
| 17:19.34 | SpeedEvil | There is no final hw revision is there? |
| 17:19.47 | SpeedEvil | It jsut keeps rolling. |
| 17:20.00 | mjr | well, P1+/2 Neo1973 model anyway |
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| 17:20.45 | mjr | Bish, anyway, we'll probably have the final word on P2 wifi when P1 starts shipping |
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| 17:21.03 | parag0n | i thought p1+ and p2 had wifi |
| 17:21.04 | SpeedEvil | Or rather P1+ wifi |
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| 17:21.21 | MrC_ | hi |
| 17:21.24 | Cray | hi |
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| 17:21.42 | mjr | SpeedEvil, same thing |
| 17:21.54 | mjr | parag0n, vague innuendo |
| 17:21.58 | MrC_ | how is the OenMoko project going> |
| 17:22.10 | SpeedEvil | I don't know. I don't think it's been confirmed that P1+ is the september hardware |
| 17:22.45 | MrC_ | I mean OpenMoko |
| 17:22.51 | mjr | SpeedEvil, oh. Well, I thought it was, but shan't claim to be positive. |
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| 17:23.01 | SpeedEvil | MrC_: slowly |
| 17:23.22 | MrC_ | I hope to see some screenshots |
| 17:23.40 | MrC_ | i couldn't find from anywhere |
| 17:23.50 | Bish | flickr has some nice ones |
| 17:23.58 | Bish | and the wiki offers screenshots too |
| 17:24.03 | Cray | Did you look at wiki? |
| 17:24.04 | aloril | Cray: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:24.10 | Cray | )) |
| 17:24.27 | MrC_ | Is it there due time to be released? |
| 17:24.27 | aloril | MrC_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:24.30 | Bish | poll : what u guys think? will it have a wifi chip? |
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| 17:24.38 | MrC_ | ok thx |
| 17:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Eventually. |
| 17:24.39 | Bish | MrC_: read the FAQ |
| 17:24.41 | SpeedEvil | Not in 2 weeks |
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| 17:32.40 | Cray | What is P1+. Haven't seen anything in mailing lists... Is it community initiative? )) |
| 17:33.03 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 17:33.09 | SpeedEvil | It's the hardware revision after P1 |
| 17:33.20 | SpeedEvil | but before P2 - which is the September mass market release |
| 17:33.29 | SpeedEvil | Will include wifi |
| 17:33.31 | Bish | should be :P |
| 17:33.33 | Bish | YAY ! |
| 17:33.34 | Cray | Wow |
| 17:33.39 | Bish | really SpeedEvil ? |
| 17:33.42 | Bish | thats fuking cool :P |
| 17:33.44 | SpeedEvil | In theory. |
| 17:34.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm reluctant to say 'will' until it's actually buyable. |
| 17:34.17 | Cray | And what is heard about accelerometr? |
| 17:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Dunno |
| 17:34.58 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: That's the script I use. What do you like to tell me? |
| 17:36.45 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: But I still searching for something that is able to handle the svn commit, too. Without manual copy'&'paste |
| 17:36.46 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: oh, if you use that script I have nothing to point out |
| 17:36.46 | thomasg_ | according to the mailinglist there are no plans to include the accelerometer in p1(+) |
| 17:36.50 | thomasg_ | but we'll see |
| 17:36.58 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: heh |
| 17:37.13 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: I think webkit has that as well |
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| 17:39.07 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Any chance you have some time for openmoko today? |
| 17:39.08 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: http://trac.webkit.org/projects/webkit/browser/trunk/WebKitTools/Scripts/commit-log-editor |
| 17:39.57 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: The description sounds what I like to have. |
| 17:40.14 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: I have not used it, so have fun finding out how it works |
| 17:40.31 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: As always with perl scripts. ;) |
| 17:40.55 | zecke|study | well, then the answer is "by pure luck" |
| 17:40.59 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: I'll try to find out and use it when I commit the next time |
| 17:41.25 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: yes. give me 3 more hours to finish my setup (i'll blog about it, it's a disease...) and then I'm all OM |
| 17:41.54 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: No hurry. I just have to patches in the pipe which I like to see in the P1 image |
| 17:41.56 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: https://thomas.apestaart.org/moap/trac |
| 17:42.25 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: i know, time is running out, but i had some severe hardware and network problems here in the new home |
| 17:42.36 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: btw, openmoko-panel-startup is working fine now. |
| 17:43.10 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: yeah, but if you have some time in the evening we should go well |
| 17:43.43 | mickeyl | oki, cool |
| 17:44.58 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I also have a bunch of questions and ideas, but that can wait. Just relax. |
| 17:47.05 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: Cool. Why you have all the links I'm searching for? :) |
| 17:48.01 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
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| 17:59.22 | SpeedEvil | IMO. Assuming things that were said months back still apply... |
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| 18:19.58 | alphaone | mickeyl, stefan_schmidt: Cool, I'll also be doing OM stuff tonight. |
| 18:20.30 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: welcome back. Still alive after the THW weekend? |
| 18:20.42 | alphaone | But I should probably rest until then. |
| 18:20.48 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Barely :-) |
| 18:21.04 | alphaone | It was quite a weekend. |
| 18:22.31 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Any schedule for tomorrow already? |
| 18:25.33 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: I guess I'll work. |
| 18:26.04 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Which work? OpenMoko? |
| 18:26.12 | alphaone | yeah |
| 18:26.37 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Do I have anything else to work on? :-) |
| 18:27.07 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: You could finish your work at the datacenter :) |
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| 18:27.24 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Define "finish" :-) |
| 18:27.43 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: finish = Get_you_hours_done; |
| 18:27.58 | alphaone | heh |
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| 18:31.25 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: I'm temped to come around tomorrow. I'll let you know later. |
| 18:31.26 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: okay. No problem |
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| 18:36.37 | alphaone | mickeyl: Just read your post. Sounds like you had a really bad week. :-( |
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| 18:57.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User:Marcin]] [[Minimo]] |
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| 19:13.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r2045 10/trunk/oe/packages/libmrss/ (. files/ files/better-parse-url-r0.patch libmrss_0.17.2.bb): |
| 19:13.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Patch by Stefan Schmidt to fix |
| 19:13.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=569 |
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| 19:16.21 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: There you go |
| 19:18.35 | Bish | :> |
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| 19:21.40 | zecke|study | stefan_schmidt: and it built |
| 19:22.19 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: As expected :) |
| 19:22.39 | stefan_schmidt | zecke|study: I'll close the bug |
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| 19:49.57 | Elrond | Oh why is monotone update soooo slow? |
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| 20:05.56 | don-o | Elrond: ive had the same problem. it can take Hours |
| 20:08.51 | pjz | well,t he real question is: if it's so slow why does OE use it? |
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| 20:24.34 | CoreDump|home | its not generally slow |
| 20:24.42 | CoreDump|home | only "migrate" tages ages |
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| 20:33.08 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - pull has done 10% in 50 CPU Minutes on my machine... |
| 20:34.05 | Elrond | pjz - I have given up on asking _that_ question in any project. |
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| 20:34.37 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: are you pulling from an empty db? |
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| 20:38.05 | babbleback | anyone out there? |
| 20:38.05 | aloril | babbleback: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:38.27 | chreeka7 | haha |
| 20:38.33 | babbleback | whats funny |
| 20:38.40 | chreeka7 | aloril |
| 20:38.47 | babbleback | oh |
| 20:39.04 | babbleback | why is it that there are so many channels full of people but quiet? |
| 20:40.21 | chreeka7 | these techie channels are full of people who run an irc client 24/7 (self included) |
| 20:40.45 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 20:40.48 | babbleback | meaning you just leave it on even when you are not there? |
| 20:40.55 | chreekat | yep |
| 20:42.11 | babbleback | i'm new to irc, but I thought i saw something to indicate that you are away |
| 20:42.54 | chreekat | me? Well, I usually set an away status, but actually it hasn't been set in a while |
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| 20:43.42 | babbleback | so have these phones been released yet? |
| 20:43.48 | LuitvD | not yet |
| 20:44.01 | LuitvD | first production run will be soon |
| 20:44.08 | chreekat | "soon" |
| 20:44.10 | chreekat | hehe |
| 20:44.12 | LuitvD | lol |
| 20:44.14 | babbleback | I have a treo, but I don't want to buy microsft visual C in order to write code for my phone |
| 20:44.16 | LuitvD | yeah ... 'soon' |
| 20:44.33 | LuitvD | babbleback: why didn't you buy the palm os version then? :P |
| 20:44.39 | morten_ | How soon is 'soon'? |
| 20:44.40 | chreekat | unfortunately, it's been 'soon' for a while. But it looks like the current guess is ~week |
| 20:45.02 | chreekat | as indicated by the counter: |
| 20:45.03 | chreekat | counter |
| 20:45.04 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: 6 days 15:15:13 (6.636 +-5.0 days) (1222;210) |
| 20:45.32 | morten_ | =) looking better than ever then |
| 20:45.33 | LuitvD | first production run was planned for 10-5, but was delayed, so the release date was pushed back a week or two too |
| 20:45.38 | babbleback | LuitvD, it was a mistake... i got my girlfriend a palm OS PDA and I regret my choice |
| 20:45.49 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 20:45.59 | babbleback | windows mobile blows |
| 20:46.10 | babbleback | i have never seen software do stranger things |
| 20:46.13 | LuitvD | win-CE smartphones/pdas are crap... I hate palmOS too nevertheless |
| 20:46.30 | babbleback | regularly... i get some new random as shit happen every day |
| 20:46.38 | thomasg_ | the biggest problem witht win mobile is the terrible usability |
| 20:47.09 | morten_ | All the oses for smartphones/pdas taday are propitary and locked down, openmoko will really be something different |
| 20:47.10 | LuitvD | worst part of palmOS is the terrible 3rd-party software |
| 20:47.26 | babbleback | thomasg_, i disagree... the problem is that it crashes |
| 20:47.46 | thomasg_ | on my htc univserse I never had a crash |
| 20:47.46 | LuitvD | morten_: yes, moko will just be the good old plain linux for everyone :) |
| 20:47.46 | morten_ | babbleback, Hehe ;D |
| 20:48.08 | LuitvD | and we'll beat ubuntu at this one I hope... |
| 20:48.19 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: ok, i'm here. what do i need to do? |
| 20:48.20 | morten_ | Yeah =D |
| 20:48.42 | morten_ | Openembedded uses plain old x, yes? |
| 20:48.58 | LuitvD | yup, I guess it was matchbox on X |
| 20:49.01 | babbleback | it has a gps antennea... will that mean only the software.. which we will write.. will be required? |
| 20:49.20 | LuitvD | babbleback: what do you mean? |
| 20:49.23 | mickeyl | OE can build a variety of images, both using X or not |
| 20:49.31 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: yes. |
| 20:49.39 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: You get positions out of gpsd |
| 20:49.51 | babbleback | LuitvD, will users still have to pay for some service in order to locate with gps |
| 20:49.52 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: Or NMEA directly. (well - through the binary blob) |
| 20:49.56 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: Nop |
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| 20:49.59 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: Free |
| 20:50.02 | LuitvD | babbleback: gps is |
| 20:50.07 | LuitvD | babbleback: gps is 'free' |
| 20:50.13 | babbleback | thats nasty in and of itself |
| 20:50.16 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: yeah, give me some minutes to finish some other tasks |
| 20:50.18 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: gps is paid for by the american taxpayer. |
| 20:50.24 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: sure thing. |
| 20:50.33 | morten_ | Just wondering: any of you know if google earth has an sdk/api for their map system. just think how great that'd be on the neo |
| 20:50.45 | SpeedEvil | morten_: the problem is basically. |
| 20:51.02 | SpeedEvil | morten_: None of the web-maps allow you to legally download stuff and use it later |
| 20:51.02 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: that's why I hate gps... it's american property |
| 20:51.18 | LuitvD | they can shut us off the network at any time |
| 20:51.26 | SpeedEvil | morten_: Because getting permission to distribute maps to end users is _EXPENSIVE_ |
| 20:51.29 | LuitvD | or decrease accuracy |
| 20:51.53 | SpeedEvil | morten_: Licenses for them to view is _much_ cheaper. |
| 20:51.59 | SpeedEvil | Interestingly. |
| 20:52.14 | morten_ | SpeedEvil, I see |
| 20:52.26 | SpeedEvil | Look on the AGPS page on the wiki. |
| 20:52.42 | SpeedEvil | The technique described at the end |
| 20:53.01 | SpeedEvil | This would also completely remove the effect of selective availability |
| 20:53.07 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: so you're saying that telling the end-users to get a map somewhere is cheaper then to buy an agreement to supply it to the end-users? |
| 20:53.31 | morten_ | SpeedEvil, If we want to have full maps on the neo without internet connection they'd anyway needed to be in vector format though. because of space |
| 20:53.51 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: google maps - for example. Tehy buy maps from one of two sources. The license for them to display maps to end users is cheap. The license for users to download maps is _expensive_. |
| 20:54.09 | SpeedEvil | morten_: You can get a hell of a lot on a 1G SD |
| 20:54.11 | LuitvD | ah, i see |
| 20:54.20 | babbleback | what about the live switch from your cell service provider and voice over ip via the wifi? |
| 20:54.38 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: that requires interaction with the cell provider. |
| 20:54.44 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: So not soon. |
| 20:54.45 | morten_ | SpeedEvil, yeah, but i'd like some music too ;) |
| 20:54.47 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - I was pulling into a db created from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 |
| 20:55.08 | Elrond | mickeyl!! :) |
| 20:55.12 | CoreDump|home | hmm dunno then |
| 20:55.23 | babbleback | SpeedEvil, but you could use the wifi for voice over ip instead of using your cell service provider as an option before callling right? |
| 20:55.33 | SpeedEvil | Sure - if you have wifi nearby. |
| 20:55.38 | LuitvD | meh, time for me too get out of here... |
| 20:55.40 | SpeedEvil | And the phone you're using has wifi |
| 20:56.00 | LuitvD | see ya, people |
| 20:56.04 | SpeedEvil | Wave |
| 20:56.05 | morten_ | See ya |
| 20:57.04 | SpeedEvil | morten_: There is http://www.openstreetmap.org/ but it sucks. |
| 20:57.11 | morten_ | Btw, SpeedEvil you have any inside knowledge of the phase 2 hw? |
| 20:57.15 | SpeedEvil | morten_: And I say this as a contributor. Maybe in 10 years. |
| 20:57.22 | SpeedEvil | morten_: I did. |
| 20:57.31 | SpeedEvil | morten_: But then I realised it was a dream. |
| 20:57.34 | babbleback | SpeedEvil, i thought the neo1973 had wifi... |
| 20:57.39 | babbleback | SpeedEvil, now i don't see it |
| 20:57.44 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: Not P1 |
| 20:58.04 | SpeedEvil | P1+ - which probably is a couple of months out with a discount for P1 buyers - yes. |
| 20:58.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Neo1973]] [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 20:58.25 | babbleback | SpeedEvil, what about the bluetooth then... use that as a connection to your computer that will then foward the call? |
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| 20:58.30 | morten_ | babbleback, There will be two phases bubble. Phase one is for the impatient and the dewelopers. i won't have all the hardware as the final model |
| 20:58.34 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: yes - you can do that. |
| 20:58.47 | SpeedEvil | babbleback: Or via usb-net |
| 20:59.22 | babbleback | then usb wifi dongles? |
| 20:59.36 | guaqua | no power in moko usb |
| 20:59.38 | babbleback | or usb tv tuners? |
| 21:01.12 | Elrond | zecke - Showing part of another widget, if I remember correctly... my gtk time is 5 years ago... Nowadays I create super simple GUIs for my work stuff in python-gtk. ;o) |
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| 21:01.53 | zecke | Elrond: yes, either I get GtkViewport + GtkScrolledWindow to play nicely or I need to develop my own... |
| 21:02.12 | zecke | is there any way to see if a GtkWidget is inside a container/bin? |
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| 21:07.36 | babbleback | what US cell service providers will one be able to use the phone with? |
| 21:08.46 | pjz | anyones that take GSM |
| 21:09.17 | Elrond | zecke - Any Widget except GtkWindow has to be in a container. |
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| 21:09.48 | mjr | babbleback, apparently Cingular, wasit T2 or something, and a variety of smaller providers |
| 21:09.57 | zecke | how to get my parent? |
| 21:10.04 | zecke | the one I was added to... |
| 21:10.27 | Elrond | zecke - gtk_widget_get_parent |
| 21:10.29 | babbleback | so verizon is cmda only? |
| 21:11.16 | mjr | such is one's impression |
| 21:15.22 | babbleback | well the iphone looked nice till i saw this |
| 21:19.37 | babbleback | what would be a difficulty in running various linux programs on the machine... say to add lynx ( don't know why you would need to ) but say you wanted to |
| 21:20.04 | morten_ | Hehe, Iphone is completely locked down, only certified developers can make programs, that's the definition of crap |
| 21:20.28 | babbleback | not for normal people... |
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| 21:21.20 | babbleback | most people just need it to work.. we want more |
| 21:21.21 | mjr | babbleback, on iphone or neo, you mean? |
| 21:21.28 | babbleback | on neo |
| 21:21.30 | morten_ | babbleback, Well, being normal all the time is boring |
| 21:21.33 | mjr | for iphone, morten_ said it |
| 21:21.38 | babbleback | morten_, i agree |
| 21:21.39 | mjr | for neo, easy |
| 21:21.41 | zecke | Elrond: do you know if one can create 1000000x100000 GdkWindows? |
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| 21:22.01 | babbleback | mjr, good |
| 21:22.36 | Elrond | zecke - I think, it's a short int only. |
| 21:23.11 | morten_ | quite cool that since openembedded is linux we allready have the worlds biggest app database, before viritually any has the phone |
| 21:23.15 | Elrond | zecke - Why do you want such a huge GdkWindow? |
| 21:24.08 | zecke | Elrond: I might have such a website |
| 21:24.24 | morten_ | zecke, Lol |
| 21:25.05 | zecke | Elrond: I want something like a GtkScrolledWindow with a GtkDrawable inside but the drawable should never allocate more width/height than the viewport |
| 21:25.13 | morten_ | zecke, you mean like: http://worlds-highest-website.com/ |
| 21:25.16 | zecke | Elrond: but I still need the scrollbars to work |
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| 21:26.40 | Elrond | zecke - Oh, you try to create GtkHtml from scratch or so? |
| 21:26.58 | zecke | no, WebKit/Gdk and teaching it scrolling with scrollbars |
| 21:27.24 | zecke | But I'm not sure if I need to go the GtkTextView way and provide my own lightweight, scrollable widget |
| 21:27.33 | zecke | or if the GtkViewport+GtkScrolledWindow will work |
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| 21:28.29 | Elrond | I *think* Viewport can only scroll widgets with a GdkWindow. But You do not want such a large GdkWindow (it hurts performance, and yes, I remember 64k Pixels was the limit). |
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| 21:28.59 | Elrond | zecke - So I *think* you should highly consider the "lightweight, scrollable widget". |
| 21:29.16 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: Moving finished (sort of) http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/05/20/moving-finished-sort-of/ |
| 21:29.51 | Elrond | zecke - GtkHtml might be a source for learning other solutions to this problem. |
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| 21:46.45 | Sufflope | counter |
| 21:46.45 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: 6 days 14:13:31 (6.593 +-5.0 days) (1223;210) |
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| 22:01.22 | Kensan | Does anybody know what happened to projects.openmoko.org? Is it known to admins etc. that it's broken atm? |
| 22:03.11 | Elrond | Kensan - I don't know. |
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| 22:12.49 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Running the stuff on a way faster machine helps a lot. But I don't like this "Oh, it's slow? Buy new hardware"-approach. |
| 22:13.43 | CoreDump|home | I never said that. But if you run OE on ancient hardware, you shouldn't complain about its speed =) |
| 22:14.31 | Elrond | Well, git is lots faster on this machine. ;o) |
| 22:14.52 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 22:15.26 | Elrond | Okay, on a 2.9GHz machine: 10% == 10 CPU minutes. |
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| 22:43.19 | shawarma | Will the nao1973 support 3G connectivity? |
| 22:43.20 | aloril | shawarma: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:45.52 | shawarma | If it's in the FAQ, I don't see it. |
| 22:45.53 | Elrond | shawarma - If 3G == UMTS: The version in september will not have that. |
| 22:46.08 | Elrond | only gprs. |
| 22:46.30 | shawarma | Elrond: I don't know if 3G is the same as UMTS.. It may be. :) |
| 22:46.59 | hads | Typically. The answer is no anyway. |
| 22:47.07 | shawarma | Elrond: It's the term that usually refers to the ability to do high speed data transfers (>512 kbits/second). |
| 22:47.19 | shawarma | hads: I see. |
| 22:47.36 | hads | As Elrond said, for the September version. |
| 22:48.17 | shawarma | Is it planned for a later version? |
| 22:48.24 | shawarma | Or is it just "post-september"? |
| 22:48.42 | Elrond | Official answer: We don't know. (and those who might know, are NDA'd) |
| 22:48.53 | shawarma | Figures. |
| 22:49.29 | Elrond | Inofficially, it has been said, that if this whole thing will be a success, there will be more and different hardware thingies to choose from. |
| 22:49.53 | shawarma | Coolio. |
| 22:50.19 | Elrond | But you should not hold your breath. |
| 22:50.39 | rwhitby | nor make a decision to buy on anything but published facts |
| 22:50.49 | stefan_schmidt | I think we can at least say that this is designed as a platform and not a single product. But let us see how Neo1973 will go |
| 22:51.02 | shawarma | The thing is that I'll definitely want an Openmoko phone, but I'd also like to have a device that gives me some fort of mobile broadband. |
| 22:51.28 | shawarma | It'd just be nice if that would be one and the same device. |
| 22:51.39 | shawarma | Until then, I suppose, I'll just carry two devices. |
| 22:51.43 | Elrond | shawarma - Well, not "today" ;) |
| 22:51.50 | shawarma | Elrond: Right. |
| 22:52.15 | shawarma | Oh, well. It's still megacool. :-) |
| 22:52.32 | hads | Right on :) |
| 22:52.57 | Elrond | It's a really nice thing, yes. :-)) |
| 22:53.09 | Elrond | Except my mum says, it's too large. ;o) |
| 22:53.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It's still alive? ;) |
| 22:54.15 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Using a newer kernel helped the jffs2 crappiness. I guess I should compile my onw, as the 1883-kernel on buildhost does not like the backlight. ;o) |
| 22:55.26 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: oh, 1883 is the latest on buildhost? |
| 22:55.41 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: We need to update then |
| 22:55.51 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - The latest, for which the modules are available as .ipk and inside the rootfs. |
| 22:56.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Ah so you need to do full update kernel+rootfs |
| 22:56.19 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - There's a r2006 kernel too, but without modules as .ipk. I'll try that kernel tomorrow. |
| 22:56.55 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I have ipkg install'd a bunch of modules. And none of the ones I missed looked like backlight. |
| 22:57.21 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Backlight is build in now, isn't it? |
| 22:57.53 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I'd assume so, as I saw "/sys/class/backlight", but nothing useful there. |
| 22:57.53 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, a full matching update is a good idea |
| 22:58.34 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Not sure. I haven't touched kernel code for weeks now |
| 22:59.17 | Elrond | I'll try the 2006 tomorrow and see, if that helps. (despite no matching rootfs available) |
| 22:59.29 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: btw, we should consider to update the u-boot as well as the new one have safety against wrong flashing |
| 23:00.13 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: For the u-boot I would suggest I let test a version here an a bv3 with debug board in the other hand and give you the link to a working one. |
| 23:00.46 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: But I fear I have no time for this before next weekend |
| 23:02.18 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - No problem. :-) Having a "known-to-work-on-P0" u-boot version would be good anyway. (Harald asked me to update u-boot in response to my kernel-oops. I asked him for the known-to-be-good-version. Did not yet get an answer. See Bug#567) |
| 23:03.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Many people get no answer. He really need to focus on some other things. Not nice, but a must |
| 23:03.33 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yeah. :-) |
| 23:03.52 | Elrond | That's why it's in the buglog. So other people can answer. ;) |
| 23:04.25 | stefan_schmidt | exactly |
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| 23:37.17 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 570 has been created by jluebbe@lasnet.de |
| 23:37.18 | cdbot2 | * * Text in the mainmenu is unreadable |
| 23:37.19 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=570 |
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| 23:39.01 | AusMounty | hello folks :) |
| 23:39.06 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: ah, filling bugs :) |
| 23:39.18 | stefan_schmidt | hi AusMounty |
| 23:39.26 | AusMounty | Hey Stefan |
| 23:39.28 | Shoragan | :) |
| 23:40.07 | AusMounty | May I ask who might know if the FIC Neo1973 is going to be released here in Oz? |
| 23:40.07 | aloril | AusMounty: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:40.30 | stefan_schmidt | AusMounty: Wordwide direct sale |
| 23:40.48 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: You still have your bv3, right? |
| 23:41.20 | AusMounty | ok... I am very interested in this device but need to know if it passes the standards commission testing here in Oz... |
| 23:41.29 | Shoragan | yea, i'm reading your thoughts |
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| 23:42.00 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: I hope you don't do this all the time. ;) |
| 23:42.04 | rwhitby | AusMounty: my P0 and P1 devices both work here on Vodaphone ... |
| 23:42.09 | parag0n | all the parts used within it are FCC (etc) certified. in the US i know that means the entire phone is, dont know about aus |
| 23:42.15 | AusMounty | ah cool... |
| 23:42.19 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: Would be nice to help Elrond anyway :) |
| 23:42.19 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Yeah, I'm sitting next to Shoragan currently :-) |
| 23:42.55 | Elrond | .oO(Braunschweig Connection :-) ) |
| 23:42.58 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone, Shoragan: hmm, hackloft time without me? How should I think about this? ;) |
| 23:43.03 | AusMounty | what town are you in whitby? roughly :) |
| 23:43.42 | rwhitby | adelaide |
| 23:44.17 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: You can come over any time. Think of it that you are a lazy ass who prefers to stay at home ;-) |
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| 23:44.45 | AusMounty | rwhitby: cool... I am currently using a Motorola V3x with Telstra but I am an ardent Linux user |
| 23:45.17 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: heh |
| 23:45.22 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: And I can understand you very good. The stair to Shoragan were almost more than I was willing to walk today :-) |
| 23:45.52 | rwhitby | AusMounty: Treo650 here. Neo1973 gta01 won't replace it, but I'm working so that a future version with a keyboard will replace it. |
| 23:46.46 | Elrond | alphaone - *giggle* |
| 23:47.23 | parag0n | i wish i had a neo/me stomps on his nokia |
| 23:47.25 | AusMounty | rwhitby: it is only on a wish list but the next version apparently is suppoed to support wifi |
| 23:47.37 | parag0n | grr, stupid keyboard |
| 23:48.15 | AusMounty | doh... missed the s in supposed |
| 23:48.33 | Shoragan | Elrond, i've flashed my gta01bv3 with the current u-boot |
| 23:48.38 | Elrond | parag0n - Well, you don't really want the neo NOW as a replacement for your phone. ;-) |
| 23:48.51 | Shoragan | u-boot-gta01bv3-r8_70124c2602ae2d4c5d3dba05b482d91548242de8_0_2040.bin |
| 23:48.57 | Shoragan | md5sum 60c5aeba1bd6642b05b3a5e6f2dafe83 |
| 23:49.00 | Shoragan | it works ok |
| 23:49.23 | parag0n | as long as it can make phone calls and has a battery life longer than 6 hours its better than the nokia :P |
| 23:49.43 | Elrond | Shoragan - Great... let me download that version and see, if I get that md5sum :) |
| 23:50.29 | AusMounty | rwhitby: point me to the site to order a Neo? :) |
| 23:51.07 | Elrond | Shoragan - Great. :-)) |
| 23:51.10 | rwhitby | AusMounty: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/announce |
| 23:51.27 | rwhitby | sign up to the announce list and you'll know at the same time as everyone else. |
| 23:51.35 | Elrond | Shoragan - I'll flash "my" Bv3 with it tomorrow and then update the buglog and the wiki. |
| 23:51.52 | Shoragan | ok, good |
| 23:52.02 | stefan_schmidt | thanks Shoragan |
| 23:52.38 | Shoragan | just take care that you don't use a version for different hw-release |
| 23:53.00 | Shoragan | i had to debrick my v4 on friday via jtag |
| 23:53.04 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: After this update this should hopefully never happen again. |
| 23:53.16 | AusMounty | rwhitby: ok... thanks... dare I ask has anyone anything with a Motorola V3x? OS wise? |
| 23:53.42 | stefan_schmidt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=ChangeLog&curid=2077&diff=8617&oldid=8170 |
| 23:54.01 | rwhitby | AusMounty: no idea. |
| 23:54.46 | Elrond | Shoragan - I have a Bv3, and the md5sum matched. :-) |
| 23:54.50 | Shoragan | :) |
| 23:54.58 | Elrond | (I'll put the md5sum on the buglog/wiki anyway.) |
| 23:56.54 | AusMounty | well folks I have some of that nasty 4 letter word to do W O R K! ugh oh well has to be done |
| 23:57.16 | AusMounty | later all and thanks rwhitby |
| 23:57.20 | Elrond | AusMounty - Don't remind me... |
| 23:57.46 | *** part/#openmoko AusMounty (n=jean@190-225-cust.skymesh.net.au) |
| 23:59.14 | babbleback | would a usb monitor be able to be connected? and a usb keyboard? |
| 23:59.42 | SpeedEvil | Yes, in theory, no in practice, and yes |
| 23:59.53 | cjb | the usb ports don't provide power. |
| 23:59.55 | SpeedEvil | There are no USB1.1 monitor chips |
| 23:59.57 | SpeedEvil | That too |