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| 00:00.27 | stefan_schmidt | greentux_: Security related to embedded devices? Or you hanging around here for private stuff? |
| 00:00.33 | stefan_schmidt | night CM |
| 00:01.00 | greentux_ | stefan_schmidt: partly/partly, embedded devices would be a new game to play :) |
| 00:01.14 | stefan_schmidt | greentux_: heh |
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| 00:01.22 | greentux_ | ok, cu tomorrow |
| 00:01.30 | stefan_schmidt | night greentux_ |
| 00:04.29 | boorad | CM: mine is doing the kernel |
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| 00:32.52 | boorad | stefan_schmidt: this think is building glibc 2.5, but the announcement said 2.4 - any issues? |
| 00:33.24 | boorad | s/think/thing/ |
| 00:34.01 | boorad | hmm, haven't seen a bot do that anywhere else... |
| 00:34.05 | XorA|gone | boorad: 2.4 plus a couple of patches should be fine |
| 00:34.15 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: Nothing that deep you can't fix afterwards. |
| 00:34.22 | boorad | right, but this OE env I'm setting up is using 2.5 |
| 00:34.29 | boorad | so I can just rebuild 2.4? |
| 00:34.47 | XorA|gone | boorad: the apps you build should run fine on either |
| 00:34.49 | boorad | where do I change that? .dev/packages? |
| 00:34.57 | boorad | XorA|gone: ok |
| 00:35.42 | XorA|gone | boorad: you would have to add PREFERRED_VERSION_glibc-* = "2.4.0" for each glibc varient to local.conf, look at angstrom.conf for the format |
| 00:35.43 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: Even the software of the phone itself can be different until shipping. 2.4 should be fine for your first tests. |
| 00:36.07 | stefan_schmidt | eh, 2.5 I mean |
| 00:36.16 | boorad | gotcha, thx |
| 00:37.29 | boorad | bah, the ABI changed from GCC 4.0 to 4.1 so the D front-end doesn't work yet |
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| 01:02.04 | sid | Is openmoko 100% free/libre software? Or will the important things that control the radio transmitter/gps be non-free proprietary code? |
| 01:04.39 | leventhal | there are some gps elements that are non-free.. not sure about the radio transmitter |
| 01:05.32 | XorA|gone | sid: I beleive the radio stuff is the other end of a serial port, so no software linux side is needed |
| 01:05.46 | stefan_schmidt | sid: gsm is on a separate chip. Communication over serial interface. |
| 01:06.55 | stefan_schmidt | sid: For AGPS you need a binary daemon. Already ideas about re. IIRC normal GPS can be done without daemon, not sure about that. |
| 01:07.29 | stefan_schmidt | sid: Anything else is free. All kernel drivers, framework code, apps, etc... |
| 01:11.14 | sid | Is the phone DRM'd with TPM like chips to do hashes on the non-free crap? or could someone replace their AGPS binary daemon with a modified version of the free/liber GPSD project? |
| 01:11.50 | sid | ie, md5hashes on certain binaries and the phone won't start unless the hashes match. You would need a TPM like chip and something else to verify the hashes match etc. |
| 01:11.59 | stefan_schmidt | sid: No DRM. Replacement of the gpsd is planned. |
| 01:12.55 | stefan_schmidt | sid: Of course I have no idea how long the re will take. But you _can_ use the phone without the daemon. |
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| 01:15.18 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, sid remembers me to do my daily aptitude upgrade. |
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| 01:17.17 | inivex | you upgrade daily? |
| 01:18.51 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: Yes :) |
| 01:18.59 | sid | I do too. |
| 01:20.29 | inivex | i just dont even update that often, much less upgrade |
| 01:20.55 | inivex | now i feel so..... outdated.... |
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| 01:21.46 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: You don't need to. It's more like me and sid are a bit to eager for new software and filling bugs. |
| 01:21.59 | peanutb | How many years until this is available to buy? |
| 01:22.20 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: If I need my machine for something else then dev I something wait with updates. |
| 01:22.52 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: It's not fun to have a broken video card driver when doing a presentation. |
| 01:23.01 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: ? |
| 01:23.11 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: You mean the phone? |
| 01:23.15 | peanutb | yes |
| 01:23.33 | inivex | it'll be available this year |
| 01:23.37 | peanutb | ok |
| 01:23.40 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: See last link in topic. You can get the first generation phone this year |
| 01:23.56 | peanutb | ok thanks |
| 01:24.02 | inivex | devs get theirs in march |
| 01:24.13 | inivex | i'm jealous |
| 01:24.26 | Agrajag- | the way i read it, anyone could order online in march |
| 01:24.55 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: february for devs |
| 01:25.13 | peanutb | woo thats a lot of money |
| 01:25.26 | inivex | i thought it was 3-11 for devs to buy? |
| 01:25.33 | stefan_schmidt | 2-11 |
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| 01:25.53 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: That phone is without contract of a provider |
| 01:26.28 | bobesponja | is the wiki down? |
| 01:26.35 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: Normally you pay this price for such a phone _with_ 24 month contract |
| 01:26.40 | bobesponja | it's asking for a username and password |
| 01:27.12 | inivex | i paid $350 for my crackberry with a 2 year contract |
| 01:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: wiki.openmoko.org will allow access for everybody when first phones and code will be shipped. |
| 01:27.32 | peanutb | stefan_schmidt, i guess i need to get a real phone, i have been using one of those cheepo nokias |
| 01:27.41 | bobesponja | stefan_schmidt: ok |
| 01:27.42 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: There is a community wiki on linuxtogo.org until this |
| 01:27.48 | bobesponja | ok |
| 01:28.14 | franck | stefan_schmidt: to refer to my earlier request... yes, I think I need a fic person to talk to... it is not technical related |
| 01:28.30 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: If you can wait until september you have perhaps luck and can get one with a contract for cheap |
| 01:28.55 | bobesponja | I know the first generation won't have wifi because of the lack of free driver but do you know if the second generation will have it? :) |
| 01:29.54 | stefan_schmidt | franck: OK. If it's non technical I would suggest mailing Sean. mickeyl and LaF0rge are two devs working freelance for FIC, but they are technically people. :) |
| 01:30.14 | peanutb | stefan_schmidt, i dont think many phone providers (at least in the US) will go for an open source phone. |
| 01:30.26 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: They working hard to get wifi in v2. |
| 01:31.03 | bobesponja | stefan_schmidt: cool |
| 01:31.39 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: That's something I'm not to firm with. I'm from germany and more a technical guy then a marketing guy. |
| 01:31.41 | franck | stefan_schmidt: thanks, I have emailed Sean, as I found his e-mail addresss... |
| 01:31.47 | bobesponja | can I replace the openmoko gui with qtopia? |
| 01:31.51 | stefan_schmidt | franck: fine |
| 01:32.26 | franck | stefan_schmidt: yes wifi is missing on this phone and a camera |
| 01:32.41 | wabz | is this thing going to be powerful enough to do mpeg4 decoding? |
| 01:33.24 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: Of course you can. Just need to do the work. :) More serious. I already heard people speaking about doing some of the work. |
| 01:33.38 | stefan_schmidt | franck: They know. |
| 01:33.49 | bobesponja | cool thanx for the info stefan_schmidt |
| 01:34.44 | peanutb | What package managment system will it use? (apt or rpm etc) |
| 01:34.46 | inivex | i would think apt |
| 01:34.46 | franck | the killer application on this phone would be the capability to exchange phone $$$ |
| 01:34.52 | peanutb | cool |
| 01:34.52 | stefan_schmidt | wabz: I doubt that. mpeg4 on 480x640 needs much power. Perhaps with same assembler tweaks. Time will tell. |
| 01:35.04 | inivex | the presentation for it said it's third feature is "apt-get install" |
| 01:35.21 | inivex | i thought it was a FANTASTIC presentation just because of that |
| 01:35.26 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: ipkg. Small replacement of apt and dpkg in one shell script |
| 01:35.36 | peanutb | ok |
| 01:35.41 | franck | and an infrared port so you can drive all your devices... |
| 01:36.09 | bobesponja | stefan_schmidt: i can it can read mp4 but only at very low resolution like any other phones |
| 01:36.29 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: I don't know |
| 01:36.44 | bobesponja | I meant, I guess it can read |
| 01:36.49 | inivex | is there a way to do ethernet over usb on this thing? |
| 01:36.49 | stefan_schmidt | franck: Personally I think infrared is dead. My tv needs bluetooth. :) |
| 01:37.16 | franck | stefan_schmidt: yes that would be awesome, but till then... |
| 01:37.22 | stefan_schmidt | inivex: Yes, usbnet gadget driver in linux kernel. Will be enabled, I guess. |
| 01:37.52 | bobesponja | stefan_schmidt: how about theora and vorbis? |
| 01:38.07 | bobesponja | i know there is asm stuff for vorbis |
| 01:38.28 | peanutb | couldent a madwifi based wifi card be plugged into the Usb port? |
| 01:38.41 | bobesponja | i guess theora is the same as mp4, only low res will work |
| 01:38.43 | stefan_schmidt | bobesponja: Sorry, no idea about the media experience. Ask me at 13-03. (/me hopes to get the dev phone within two days. :)) |
| 01:38.53 | bobesponja | :) |
| 01:38.55 | bobesponja | cool |
| 01:39.35 | stefan_schmidt | peanutb: You can plug any usb stuff into the usb plug, but need to power it yourself. No power on the plug from the phone. |
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| 01:40.15 | stefan_schmidt | aargh, why does a kernel build fail if I like to release a new kernel patchset this night. *grumbl* |
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| 01:43.49 | stefan_schmidt | puh, just a wrong .config |
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| 02:05.03 | boorad | stefan_schmidt: nano built - what can I do next? |
| 02:05.12 | boorad | Xoo and Xephyr? |
| 02:06.13 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: bitbake task-base and perhaps you can try bitbake gpe-image |
| 02:08.01 | boorad | stefan_schmidt: those are packages that will be on the phone? or just to get my local running? |
| 02:09.17 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: task-bae is some basement. gpe is not on the phone, just a image with many deps, so you can further test your setup. |
| 02:09.52 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: For more question wait until koen show up again. I'm not a real oe expert. :) |
| 02:09.59 | boorad | k, forgive the newb question, but how do I fire this up? Xoo? |
| 02:10.10 | boorad | stefan_schmidt: you're not bad ;) |
| 02:10.33 | stefan_schmidt | boorad: heh, thanks. Never used Xoo. |
| 02:10.51 | boorad | koen told me it was better or faster than qemu, iirc |
| 02:13.02 | stefan_schmidt | ah, release is out. Enough project housekeeping for tonight. |
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| 02:36.19 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
| 02:40.02 | WillySilly | night stefan_schmidt |
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| 04:01.56 | bprice20 | I am interested in developing a sip based voip client |
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| 07:00.21 | orospakr | is it true that the 1973 lacks a headset jack? |
| 07:05.49 | Agrajag- | orospakr: i don't think so - http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html, under Hardware: 2.5mm audio jack |
| 07:06.32 | orospakr | huh. I wonder what all the /. people were complaining about. |
| 07:06.41 | orospakr | I wonder if it can do stereo. I guess it must. |
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| 09:17.30 | johnny67_ | anyone knows how much will the shipping be to north america / europe? |
| 09:18.09 | mikesh | no :/ |
| 09:27.38 | tnt__ | It's a cell phone, it shouldn't be too heavy ... |
| 09:30.11 | unlink | hahaha |
| 09:30.53 | unlink | "Yeah, shipping will be, oh, international? Hmm... *click click click* fifty-four dollars." |
| 09:31.48 | mikesh | to europe? |
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| 09:33.20 | johnny67_ | well.. google click*click*click*... |
| 09:33.38 | johnny67_ | http://www.post.gov.tw/post/internet/u_english/postal_f_6_5.jsp#m |
| 09:34.01 | johnny67_ | ~25usd (assuming 1kg) if my math is right |
| 09:34.09 | apt | johnny67_: okay |
| 09:34.10 | rwhitby | it has been said that there will be an EU distribution point. |
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| 09:34.14 | spikebik1 | 1KG is a damn heavy phone |
| 09:34.54 | johnny67_ | yeah, but i don't suppose they will put a sticker with the destination address directly on the phone... |
| 09:35.22 | johnny67_ | anyway, quite acceptable even for 1kg |
| 09:35.32 | johnny67_ | and they say delivery in 4-5 days, which is also good |
| 09:35.59 | unlink | what? 1kg? |
| 09:36.11 | unlink | is this a tablet PC or a cell phone? |
| 09:36.20 | buz | i dare to find you a 1kg tablet pc |
| 09:36.25 | johnny67_ | was talking about the shipping cost for 1kg |
| 09:36.32 | buz | 1kg seems about right |
| 09:36.37 | buz | with packaging et al |
| 09:36.41 | unlink | well, the x40 without a battery is close to 1kg |
| 09:36.55 | buz | you dont want a phone without battery now do you |
| 09:37.33 | buz | you'll probably get it for 400USD with taxes, shipping and everything |
| 09:37.38 | johnny67_ | i would very much want one :-D a working one that is ;-) |
| 09:37.48 | buz | maybe unless you're in the EU and pay 20% taxes |
| 09:37.58 | unlink | my phone battery is like 30 g |
| 09:38.31 | mikesh | buz: i am in eu, i have to pay 19% tax :/ |
| 09:38.42 | unlink | ow. |
| 09:38.49 | unlink | what are they going for, anyway? |
| 09:38.50 | buz | your phone is then more like 450 :( |
| 09:38.52 | johnny67_ | canada = 13% |
| 09:39.14 | buz | switzerland 7.6% plus possibly some more for customs |
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| 10:07.49 | Tv | Can I just say I hate all the xwyzsvga abbreviations |
| 10:08.25 | Tv | those made sense when you had cga, ega and vga |
| 10:08.29 | Tv | even svga was debatable |
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| 11:11.04 | loufoque | Can usual GTK+ applications be run on OpenMoko or do only applications that use the Moko framework be run? |
| 11:11.55 | rox | loufoque: you'd have to do some porting at least, probably |
| 11:12.05 | rox | loufoque: and they probably wouldn't look as good |
| 11:13.45 | loufoque | well, I guess it wouldn't look as good indeed |
| 11:18.46 | rox | loufoque: the widgets are drawn in pixels, if i am not mistaken, so they would look too big on a small screen |
| 11:19.15 | rox | loufoque: you could do some widget replacement magic in the code, i am sure. |
| 11:19.41 | koen | gtk widgets aren't pixel based |
| 11:22.58 | Tv | also, "too big on a small screen"? In this case the small screen has about 3 times the PPI of a big screen. |
| 11:26.52 | loufoque | isn't X.org a bit big by the way? Wouldn't using the linux framebuffer be more lightweight? |
| 11:31.03 | XorA|sleep | loufoque: Kdrive is small, and you would only have to re-implement all the functions somwhere else |
| 11:31.16 | XorA|sleep | loufoque: QtEmbedded is bigger than kdrive+gtk |
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| 11:33.48 | loufoque | but OpenMoko doesn't use kdrive but X.org |
| 11:34.11 | XorA|gone | loufoque: sure it doesnt use kdrive which is part of xorg? |
| 11:34.24 | xorAxAx | loufoque: are you sure? |
| 11:34.43 | xorAxAx | i think mickeyl said that its using kdrive |
| 11:35.30 | XorA|gone | listen to xorAxAx he is twice my size :-) |
| 11:35.43 | xorAxAx | exactly :) |
| 11:35.55 | xorAxAx | and xorRaxRax would be 4 times my size :) |
| 11:35.58 | loufoque | I don't know, I just read it used X.org 7.1. I thought KDrive was a separate thing. |
| 11:36.15 | XorA|gone | loufoque: its part of xorg as of 7.0 |
| 11:36.58 | XorA|gone | xorAxAx: whats the instruction for the 128bit Xor on Itanium? |
| 11:37.09 | xorAxAx | ia64 sucks :) |
| 11:37.48 | loufoque | XorA|gone: is that really the right channel to ask that? |
| 11:38.12 | XorA|gone | loufoque: just an in joke |
| 11:39.09 | loufoque | I didn't even know it had 128 bit arithmetic. |
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| 12:20.38 | sqwarking_go | hello |
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| 14:03.44 | rboehme | Upgrading Ubuntu to Edgy Eft, crossing fingers. |
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| 14:48.02 | CM | Quiet channel for having 191 people on |
| 14:49.46 | lamby | CM: we're all on the phone ;) |
| 14:49.51 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:50.03 | CM | I'm installing OE |
| 14:56.13 | xkr47 | CM, :) |
| 15:06.27 | CM | xkr47: It's taking a while for sure.. I mean "bitbake gpe-image" |
| 15:07.11 | xkr47 | :) |
| 15:07.16 | xkr47 | what's gpe-image? |
| 15:14.17 | buz | do we know how much the neo weighs? |
| 15:15.07 | xkr47 | 2kg |
| 15:15.12 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 15:15.24 | CM | I haven't seen it anywhere |
| 15:15.39 | CM | xkr47: I'm not sure either, just following the OE install guide |
| 15:15.49 | CM | I'm guessing it's a complete disk image |
| 15:15.49 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 15:25.00 | meyerm | morning (ugt - see mickeyl, I can learn ;-) ) |
| 15:25.16 | CM | morning :) |
| 15:31.08 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 15:49.14 | aevin | morning, meyerm |
| 15:49.24 | meyerm | :D |
| 15:50.28 | boorad | CM: get further? |
| 15:51.36 | boorad | koen: ping |
| 15:53.11 | CM | boorad: Yes, but it just failed to build db3 when doing gpe-image |
| 15:53.34 | boorad | was gonna try gpe-image now - haven't had many issues yet |
| 15:54.27 | boorad | CM: any tuts on using Xoo? |
| 15:54.53 | CM | boorad: I recompiled xorg-server with kdrive, and built xoo from svn |
| 15:54.57 | CM | But I haven't tried it yet |
| 15:55.08 | boorad | on your host? |
| 15:55.29 | CM | Here on my comp |
| 15:55.42 | CM | Tried xoo now, it showed up then crashed from missing fonts or so |
| 15:55.47 | boorad | Gentoo grabbed it for me, but not sure if I should get it from svn |
| 15:55.47 | CM | Guess I'll have to restart X |
| 15:56.01 | CM | I have gentoo too and saw the ebuild |
| 15:56.34 | boorad | hmm, gotta run, bbl |
| 15:56.45 | CM | It's a year old, but svn had some updates that was done last week |
| 15:57.01 | boorad | ah, so maybe I'll grab it from there, thx |
| 15:57.28 | CM | boorad: At the bottom of the page: http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/ |
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| 16:03.11 | mickeyl | morning |
| 16:03.24 | CM | :) |
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| 16:11.23 | mickeyl | yes, stock Gtk+ apps will work, _if_ their layout works on VGA (given our huge fonts, that may be a problem for a lot of apps) |
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| 16:34.59 | guaqua | hello |
| 16:36.02 | aloril2__ | hi guaqua |
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| 16:36.53 | aloril2__ | hi quaqua |
| 16:37.33 | dilinger | the 2007-02-11 states that phones will be given away to selected developers; when will we/they know that they've been selected to receive phones? |
| 16:37.34 | guaqua | the first one worked out better, aloril2__ :) |
| 16:37.44 | dilinger | er, the 2007-02-11 entry |
| 16:37.56 | CM | dilinger: I think they have gotten mails |
| 16:38.20 | dilinger | ah, ok |
| 16:38.35 | CM | I'll just wait until March :) |
| 16:39.24 | aloril2 | hehe, I was distracted and forgot what I intented to type (change nick) ;-) |
| 16:40.00 | dilinger | CM: heh. guess that would mean i'm not on the list |
| 16:40.05 | guaqua | is there a way to test the platform in some way? (sorry for such general questions, that might be already answered somewhere) |
| 16:40.40 | guaqua | or a sneak preview to some of the sdk etc? |
| 16:40.53 | CM | dilinger: I didn't even mail to ask. I know there's surely 50 ppl who would use it better than me right now |
| 16:41.11 | CM | I think the sdk will be available for everyone to download at 11/2 |
| 16:41.18 | guaqua | okay |
| 16:41.31 | CM | And hopefully the wiki and all that up too |
| 16:42.37 | guaqua | okeydokey |
| 16:59.12 | boorad | will apps be able to access the GPS coords? |
| 16:59.21 | boorad | I'm assuming yes |
| 16:59.37 | guaqua | i'm already thinking of google maps :) |
| 16:59.43 | boorad | with the users' opt-in of course |
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| 17:14.53 | aloril2 | guaqua: it's Linux: X11, gtk+, etc.. Announce mail has some details |
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| 17:22.04 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: ping |
| 17:23.29 | mickeyl | pöng |
| 17:30.48 | CM | boorad: my bitbake gpe-image died on libxml2 since xmlsoft.org seems to be down |
| 17:31.26 | CM | but I got on by downloading the gz from lfs and doing touch libxml2....gz.md5 in the sources folder |
| 17:32.45 | noidd | mornin |
| 17:32.52 | meyerm | noidd: hi |
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| 17:51.57 | noidd | Oh, random question: |
| 17:52.13 | noidd | I remember that we were one uart short of a full set during the original design |
| 17:52.29 | noidd | how did we get those additional serial ttys? |
| 17:52.34 | noidd | via usb? |
| 17:53.02 | noidd | GSM x 2, GPS, BLuetooth, Console ? |
| 17:53.19 | stefan_schmidt | noidd: They attached bt through usb |
| 17:53.35 | stefan_schmidt | noidd: 1x GSM, 1x GPS and 1x console |
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| 17:58.28 | noidd | cool, thanks |
| 17:58.56 | noidd | I don't know why but I though the GSM module had two serial ports |
| 17:59.29 | high-rez | What would the second one be for? |
| 17:59.42 | noidd | I dunno, one for control one for data maybe |
| 17:59.53 | noidd | pointless I know because of the +++ escape sequence |
| 18:00.02 | noidd | I just thought I remembered hearing that. |
| 18:00.05 | high-rez | ahh, yeah |
| 18:00.23 | high-rez | aactually, does that mean you have to kill your pdp context every time you want to make a call? |
| 18:01.39 | greentux | 2 serial ports i assume |
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| 18:01.55 | noidd | 2 srial ports would be nicer |
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| 18:02.15 | noidd | but who knows |
| 18:02.28 | noidd | lemme look up the specs on some GSM modules |
| 18:02.35 | noidd | maybe that will give a clue as to what is typical |
| 18:02.42 | stefan_schmidt | They use TS07.10 multipley proto over the one port. |
| 18:02.42 | high-rez | i'm kinda curious how the control of the voice side will work with an established pdp context. |
| 18:02.46 | greentux | i have to search the irc log. there was the gsm model described by somebody |
| 18:03.03 | stefan_schmidt | This gives you many virtual devices on the linux side |
| 18:03.12 | high-rez | Aha |
| 18:03.25 | greentux | but the modul has to support that |
| 18:03.31 | stefan_schmidt | different one for sms, voice, data, control, etc... |
| 18:03.38 | high-rez | stefan: So if the radio side supported it, then you could possibly have mutliple pdp contexts? |
| 18:03.54 | stefan_schmidt | The TI gsm chip use this one. It's a 3gpp standard |
| 18:04.29 | greentux | all these siemens modules i worked with doesnt support that ;( |
| 18:04.32 | high-rez | Anyone know if the device will have a tether port so I can hook it into my lab rf? |
| 18:04.35 | stefan_schmidt | high-rez: Yes, it's a question of the hardware. Unfortunately I have no Idea if this is supported. |
| 18:04.53 | noidd | Ok, checked two modules. Both are one serial port |
| 18:05.17 | stefan_schmidt | greentux: Try AT+CMUX to enable it. |
| 18:05.45 | stefan_schmidt | greentux: It's pretty much used this days. Even in some UMTS data cards |
| 18:06.03 | greentux | stefan_schmidt: will check my GT fusion... |
| 18:06.35 | boorad | CM: hit same xmlsoft.org issue - where did you get it? lfs? |
| 18:07.03 | CM | I just googled for it |
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| 18:07.26 | greentux | stefan_schmidt: at+cmux = error ;( |
| 18:07.27 | boorad | lfs isn't lsf.{com.net.org} |
| 18:07.31 | boorad | found it ;) |
| 18:07.47 | stefan_schmidt | greentux: :( |
| 18:07.49 | CM | Get both libxml2-2.6.10.tar.gz and libxml2-2.6.26.tar.gz |
| 18:08.16 | noidd | gotta go run a show |
| 18:08.20 | noidd | i'll be back in a while |
| 18:09.00 | greentux | stefan_schmidt: so its a new feature, perhaps the next cards will support that. next week I get a novatel xu870. |
| 18:09.49 | noidd | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=279 ## Python interpreter in a gsm module - who knew |
| 18:09.52 | noidd | Back in a bit |
| 18:10.28 | high-rez | dang that's a cool card, 850/1900/2100 huh? |
| 18:11.05 | stefan_schmidt | Ah, xoo cames up with a neo1973 image now. Need some fixup for the xnest coordinates now |
| 18:11.30 | boorad | CM: put them where? packages/libxml/files ? |
| 18:11.39 | boorad | under org.openembedded.dev ? |
| 18:11.48 | CM | no, where you defined your source folder |
| 18:12.10 | boorad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.14 | CM | boorad: in DL_DIR |
| 18:12.25 | boorad | can't remember |
| 18:12.26 | boorad | k |
| 18:12.35 | CM | look in your conf/local.conf |
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| 18:16.02 | boorad | CM: it's still waiting for xmlsoft.org to time out when I try it again |
| 18:16.30 | boorad | bah, I didn't get the md5's and touch them ... |
| 18:16.30 | CM | boorad: Did you do "touch libxml2-2.6.26.tar.gz.md5"? |
| 18:16.36 | CM | :) |
| 18:23.02 | stefan_schmidt | Everybody who has xoo installed: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/OpenMoko/neo1973-xoo-device.tar.bz2 |
| 18:23.17 | CM | stefan_schmidt: Thanks :) |
| 18:23.25 | stefan_schmidt | You need a high resolution |
| 18:23.51 | stefan_schmidt | Xnest nested window is 480x640 and the picture around. |
| 18:24.05 | stefan_schmidt | Start with xoo --device path/to/xml/file |
| 18:24.15 | buz | cm is that a crt? |
| 18:24.16 | stefan_schmidt | CM: Sounds good |
| 18:24.36 | buz | 480*640 is all nice and well but how do you emulat 285dpi |
| 18:24.37 | CM | buz: Yes, an old Samsung |
| 18:24.44 | buz | oh i had one of those once |
| 18:24.59 | buz | at some point the red beam got whacked and i had red shadows on all chars |
| 18:25.05 | buz | it was good screen tho |
| 18:25.15 | CM | It's good, but huge |
| 18:25.48 | buz | yeah |
| 18:25.49 | stefan_schmidt | buz: I just played with a resized picture of the neo around the xnest. Nothing fancy like correct dpi. :) |
| 18:25.50 | buz | and heaaaavy |
| 18:26.05 | buz | i dont think you can actually correct dpi in any sane way |
| 18:26.14 | stefan_schmidt | buz: Just some sunday fun. :) |
| 18:26.19 | buz | not upward anyway |
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| 18:29.46 | aloril2 | (seeing mention of above) |
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| 18:33.39 | boorad | CM: I can't find the md5 anywhere for 2.6.10 - you have it? |
| 18:34.17 | CM | boorad: Just do a "touch" so it exists. Doesn't matter whats in it |
| 18:34.22 | boorad | mkay |
| 18:34.59 | boorad | so it doesn't get checked - interesting |
| 18:35.14 | CM | Heh, I think it does when it's downloaded |
| 18:35.40 | CM | But if you download it by hand and do like that, it assumes it's already checked. Was zecke in #oe who told me |
| 18:36.13 | boorad | gotcha |
| 18:36.26 | aloril2 | buz: move monitor 3x of current distance? |
| 18:36.46 | buz | i didnt think of that |
| 18:36.59 | buz | but yeah |
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| 18:40.58 | rob_w | so are those now available for money ? |
| 18:41.06 | WillySilly | no |
| 18:41.12 | WillySilly | March 11th |
| 18:41.37 | rob_w | ah thanks |
| 18:41.40 | xkr47 | 48 days 5:18:22 |
| 18:41.42 | xkr47 | remaining ;) |
| 18:44.26 | rob_w | is there any form to pre-order maybe ? |
| 18:45.01 | mikesh | oh, 48 days.. longest 48 days in my life |
| 18:45.02 | buz | no |
| 18:45.17 | xkr47 | mikesh, yeah.. the army is nothing compared ;-) |
| 18:48.30 | mikesh | i am looking forward to some review of neo1973, it can be available after 11th Feb |
| 18:51.43 | xkr47 | maybe |
| 18:51.47 | aloril2 | there could be 2 kinds of reviews: traditional customer oriented review: Neo1973 is ready for that at 2007-09-11 |
| 18:53.47 | mikesh | i think that, just one of the lucky guys can write "its cool, now i can do with it this, this and this... and there are a lot of screenshots" :) |
| 18:53.51 | yacc | The question is, will it be useable as a phone in March? |
| 18:53.55 | aloril2 | You can get part of that when source is released 2007-02-11 by yourself ;-) |
| 18:55.13 | mikesh | aloril2: good idea |
| 18:55.25 | aloril2 | yacc: I think so, all basic stuff should be there even Feb, probably already |
| 18:55.55 | yacc | :) |
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| 19:02.33 | MetaBookfoziS | hey all |
| 19:02.50 | MetaBookfoziS | I just red about openmoko, it's cool! |
| 19:03.03 | xkr47 | :) |
| 19:04.03 | MetaBookfoziS | is there any information about shipping to europe? |
| 19:07.11 | CM | MetaBookfoziS: If you want one for developing you can order it from the openmoko.com homepage starting March 11th |
| 19:07.25 | MetaBookfoziS | yep i read that |
| 19:07.26 | CM | read the announcement, last link in the channel topic |
| 19:07.31 | MetaBookfoziS | yes |
| 19:07.34 | MetaBookfoziS | i asked first |
| 19:07.34 | CM | :-) |
| 19:07.35 | MetaBookfoziS | then read... |
| 19:07.37 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 19:07.52 | koen | am I allowed to say 'OMG WIFI'? |
| 19:07.59 | stefan_schmidt | koen: no |
| 19:08.00 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm very excited about it |
| 19:08.12 | koen | or is 'OMG GNU' more appropriate? |
| 19:08.18 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 19:08.19 | MetaBookfoziS | stefan_schmidt > it's wrong, because i thought the same:) |
| 19:08.24 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Let the kids play... |
| 19:08.28 | koen | :) |
| 19:09.08 | MetaBookfoziS | march 11 is 2 days after my birthday... ;) |
| 19:09.12 | koen | stefan_schmidt: fwiw, there's a xoo skin in svn as well |
| 19:09.46 | stefan_schmidt | MetaBookfoziS: Sounds like a cool gift for yourself. |
| 19:09.53 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Ah, thanks. I take a look |
| 19:10.40 | MetaBookfoziS | yepyep. |
| 19:10.41 | MetaBookfoziS | :) |
| 19:10.58 | koen | stefan_schmidt: when svn is openened :) |
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| 19:11.32 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Ah :) /me thought you mentioned another skin in o-hand svn. |
| 19:12.28 | stefan_schmidt | o-hand svn has also N770 skin |
| 19:13.01 | koen | mickeyl: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ |
| 19:13.11 | koen | mickeyl: a gui review comparing it with the apple newton |
| 19:15.01 | xorAxAx | OMG makes UML |
| 19:15.05 | xorAxAx | which makes me think OMG |
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| 19:24.42 | aloril2 | MetaBookfoziS: there should be European distributor too |
| 19:25.36 | MetaBookfoziS | the news about 1g flash ram, it have an extending slot for sdcard? |
| 19:25.47 | [g2] | wow, nearly 200 ppl in the channel -- surreal |
| 19:25.53 | MetaBookfoziS | or how? i'M not fully understand how much memory does it have |
| 19:25.58 | koen|gprs | hey [g2] |
| 19:26.19 | koen|gprs | [g2]: did you see linuxdevices.com/news/NS9048137234.html ? |
| 19:26.44 | [g2] | koen|gprs about the roadmap ? Feb 11 for devs and Mar for everyone ? |
| 19:27.02 | koen|gprs | that as well :) |
| 19:27.22 | [g2] | Ah... even better Lennert/koen EABI :) |
| 19:27.39 | [g2] | yes I saw that a couple days ago, but thx for mentioning it! |
| 19:28.18 | [g2] | koen|gprs are you running EABI on the Loft ? |
| 19:28.32 | koen|gprs | I tried a while ago |
| 19:28.40 | koen|gprs | I keep forgetting to flash the kernel |
| 19:28.52 | koen|gprs | I do have my POE thingy now |
| 19:29.00 | [g2] | \o/ |
| 19:29.11 | xorAxAx | [g2]: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you" |
| 19:29.16 | MetaBookfoziS | if somebody who have a real openmoko, tell me, i wanna se one:) |
| 19:29.29 | MetaBookfoziS | *in hungary* |
| 19:29.29 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 19:29.33 | koen|gprs | MetaBookfoziS: check flickr |
| 19:29.41 | koen|gprs | MetaBookfoziS: yo napot! |
| 19:29.45 | MetaBookfoziS | lol! |
| 19:29.48 | MetaBookfoziS | szhevasz!:) |
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| 19:32.10 | MetaMorfoziS | szoval hogy es milyen memoriaja van ennek a bizgentyunek? |
| 19:32.53 | koen|gprs | I have to confess my hungarian is only good enough to say hi and order some food :) |
| 19:33.56 | [g2] | maybe not, I know the word goulash |
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| 19:34.35 | koen|gprs | although I suspect what you call goulash is called pörkölt :) |
| 19:34.42 | koen|gprs | (I hope I spelled that correctly) |
| 19:34.46 | MetaMorfoziS | gulyás, te:) |
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| 19:37.05 | MetaMorfoziS | so i ask that 3.5rd time, how much and how sorted memory it have? |
| 19:37.24 | MetaMorfoziS | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.29 | MetaMorfoziS | or what? |
| 19:37.57 | koen|gprs | 128MB ram, 64mb flash, microsd slot beneath the battery |
| 19:38.27 | koen|gprs | a 1gb card if confirmed to work, larger card may work too, but are untested |
| 19:38.40 | koen|gprs | s/if/is/ |
| 19:38.51 | MetaMorfoziS | uh |
| 19:38.54 | MetaMorfoziS | cool |
| 19:38.56 | [g2] | koen|gprs doesn't matter we'll have the source :) |
| 19:39.10 | MetaMorfoziS | :)) |
| 19:39.26 | koen|gprs | larger cards are sdhc which may or may not require hardware support |
| 19:39.34 | koen|gprs | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=42 |
| 19:39.46 | MetaMorfoziS | and how about usb, miniusb or anything? |
| 19:39.47 | [g2] | mickeyl around ? |
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| 19:40.22 | koen|gprs | mini-usb, which can be used to charge it |
| 19:40.37 | MetaMorfoziS | only? |
| 19:40.39 | koen|gprs | the announcement should list the specs |
| 19:41.11 | koen|gprs | ah, it leaves out the actuall 'mini' from usb :) |
| 19:42.16 | MetaMorfoziS | oh there is an announcement:D |
| 19:42.34 | koen|gprs | see topic :) |
| 19:43.02 | jaebird | koen: what irc client do you use when mobile? |
| 19:43.10 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm readed an idiot post somewhere, and only openmoko.com then googled... |
| 19:43.12 | MetaMorfoziS | * Unpowered USB 1.1 |
| 19:43.30 | koen|gprs | jaebird: colloquy on my powerbook :) |
| 19:43.37 | MetaMorfoziS | the miniusb is only for charging? |
| 19:43.45 | jaebird | oh |
| 19:43.46 | MetaMorfoziS | so no wired conenction to the phone? |
| 19:45.39 | alphaone | No, it has host and gadget USB 1.1 on that port, too |
| 19:45.40 | slowcoder | Developing/testing software over GPRS would be prohibetively expensive, so it's probably used for other things as well |
| 19:45.46 | alphaone | But unpowered |
| 19:46.17 | MetaMorfoziS | oh, okay |
| 19:46.28 | MetaMorfoziS | thx. i shut up and read then |
| 19:47.03 | slowcoder | Anyone else here already working with mobile phones? |
| 19:47.12 | greentux | and another phone http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2536449379.html |
| 19:47.55 | MetaMorfoziS | i wanna |
| 19:48.06 | MetaMorfoziS | but i'm the learning java state;) |
| 19:48.46 | slowcoder | Stop learning Java and learn C if you want to work professionally with phones |
| 19:49.40 | MetaMorfoziS | okay, but i have bought a fsckn big java book, i read that, then i get a C one. |
| 19:49.45 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 19:50.00 | slowcoder | :) |
| 19:51.33 | slowcoder | Java is okay for developing apps for phones though. Especially 3rd party apps |
| 19:51.48 | slowcoder | Developing the phones themselves though.. That's another question |
| 19:52.33 | MetaMorfoziS | yep |
| 19:53.00 | MetaMorfoziS | but i hope, java teaches me to thinking right, not as php ;) |
| 19:53.23 | MetaMorfoziS | in this case, need openmoko a php,mysql ready webdeveloper?:) |
| 19:54.09 | guaqua | java teaches you object oriented programming, but if you wanna do that in a better way, learn python instead |
| 19:54.35 | MetaMorfoziS | i have python basics |
| 19:55.28 | MetaMorfoziS | i hate that whitespace based language:D |
| 19:55.48 | aloril2 | MetaMorfoziS: with powered USB hub you should be able to connect any mass storage device, like external harddrive, camera, etc.. |
| 19:56.27 | MetaMorfoziS | aloril2 > sure |
| 19:57.03 | guaqua | watching movies from an external hard drive when traveling on the train :) |
| 19:57.13 | MetaMorfoziS | :D |
| 19:58.33 | MetaMorfoziS | So i gladly help anything to openmoko project (in that sections that i can) actually in web based things |
| 19:58.58 | MetaMorfoziS | if that needed. |
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| 20:14.07 | l4rs | can anybody tell me how to run a application inside of xoo? or does anybody know where i can find something on that topic? |
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| 22:31.23 | noidd | Guys - do we know if openmoko has a speakerphone? |
| 22:31.30 | noidd | I never thought to ask until now. |
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| 23:43.17 | bprice20 | me either I don't think so because it is not listed in the feature list |
| 23:43.27 | bprice20 | I will ask in the mailing list sometime |
| 23:44.02 | Psi_ | i believe it does |
| 23:44.10 | Psi_ | someone said it has two 1W speakers (Stereo |
| 23:45.04 | bprice20 | hmm makes sense |
| 23:45.29 | Psi_ | we should probably get confirmation though |
| 23:46.06 | bprice20 | agreed. |