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| 01:37.15 | seemant | aww, no wifi |
| 01:40.11 | Dex | No wifi makes funnyhappy-cat sad :( |
| 01:40.19 | seemant | yeah, or something :P |
| 01:40.33 | seemant | now, the apps -- are they in java like other phones? |
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| 01:55.25 | Psi | seemant, you could use java, or C or perl or anything you want, its linux :P |
| 02:05.34 | seemant | ok |
| 02:08.10 | Dex | C rules supreme as far as I'm concerned. Never liked Java much for some reason :/ |
| 02:08.11 | Dex | Programming grafics is something i need to look into, though. |
| 02:08.13 | Dex | Anyone got any pointers on that? |
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| 02:42.04 | Psi | would be great if we could get the neo to run apps created in lazarus |
| 02:42.22 | Psi | for gui stuff it would make stuff easy |
| 02:43.35 | Psi | http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/images/7/78/Lazarus_IDE_Windows.jpg |
| 02:47.39 | spikebik1 | is that any relation to glade? |
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| 02:48.12 | spikebik1 | does it have runtime dependencies? |
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| 02:48.54 | spikebik1 | oh, heh, pascal, I thought pascal was dead |
| 02:49.02 | richip | Any news on when the first openmoko cellphone will be available for purchase and how to purchase? |
| 02:49.20 | spikebik1 | see topic |
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| 02:52.41 | richip | so is there any preliminary 3rd party development going on? Emulators? SDKs? |
| 02:52.47 | Psi | spikebik1, its basicly a freeware version of kylix |
| 02:52.52 | richip | documentation? :) |
| 02:56.45 | spikebik1 | ah, well glade provides similar (if not significantly better functionality) and lets you program in several current languages |
| 02:57.23 | spikebik1 | I suspect it's not a good fit for openmoko though |
| 02:57.41 | spikebik1 | since it would likely depend on large gnome libs and not optimized for a tiny screen/memory footprint |
| 03:03.34 | Psi | hopfully someone will mod it |
| 03:07.13 | Ycros | bleh, pascal :P |
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| 05:07.22 | amarsh05 | Cisco sues Apple over iPhone http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21042507%5E15306,00.html |
| 05:17.00 | cbpage | doh |
| 05:17.06 | cbpage | they could just call it [apple]Phone |
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| 05:31.25 | amarsh05 | back in a minute |
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| 05:32.55 | amarsh05 | what value is a phone if you can't get the data in and out of it freely by yourself? |
| 05:43.52 | Psi | they could call it Icell or Imobile |
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| 07:17.29 | aloril | twice more people here than in ##apple |
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| 07:22.08 | vininim | February? :/ |
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| 09:14.06 | yaomogauchoa | interesting stuff posted to digg.. just wondering about the hardware though |
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| 09:15.04 | yaomogauchoa | is there any actual hardware that is out in developer hands or is it all in a vm still on the chopping block... |
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| 09:32.24 | aloril | there is often cited quote from RedHat CEO that says something like "no source code" == "car with hood welded shut" |
| 09:33.07 | aloril | iPhone: no user or other software installable except from Apple? == "car with predefined routes" |
| 09:38.32 | aloril | a bit like personal bus |
| 09:45.31 | Tv | aloril: really bad example, btw |
| 09:45.50 | Tv | aloril: because most modern cars have an openable hood but the engine is still a closed block |
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| 09:51.40 | aloril | Tv: yeah, outdated |
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| 10:30.08 | Tv | "The industry sees openness as damage and routes around it." ;) |
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| 10:34.26 | koen | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007 |
| 10:35.07 | greentux | morning |
| 10:36.01 | sannes | When the topic says early access, does that mean people like us or some "chosen" people ? |
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| 10:40.14 | Tv | I just can't get openembedded to build. |
| 10:41.01 | Tv | ubuntu edgy |
| 10:41.27 | Tv | I can get a bunch of different kinds of errors, depending on what I try.. |
| 10:41.41 | Tv | which is why I've kept trying instead of asking for specific help; some path might still lead to success |
| 10:41.46 | Tv | but e.g. |
| 10:42.00 | Tv | "CC=gcc-3.3 bitbake world" results in |
| 10:42.09 | Tv | | autoreconf: running: aclocal -I /home/tv/src/openembedded/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libmutil0-0.3.1+svn20070111-r0/libmutil/m4/ -I /home/tv/src/openembedded/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/share/aclocal-1.9 -I /home/tv/src/openembedded/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/share/aclocal --force -I m4 $(ACLOCAL_FLAGS) |
| 10:42.09 | Tv | | sh: ACLOCAL_FLAGS: not found |
| 10:42.13 | Tv | ... |
| 10:42.29 | Tv | | autoreconf: running: automake --foreign --add-missing --copy --force-missing --warnings=cross |
| 10:42.29 | Tv | | automake: unknown warning category `cross' |
| 10:42.29 | Tv | | Makefile.am:3: required directory ./libltdl does not exist |
| 10:42.29 | Tv | | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 |
| 10:42.44 | Tv | I fear it's some sort of version incompatibility |
| 10:42.50 | koen | bitbake world? |
| 10:42.56 | koen | why do you want to do that? |
| 10:43.03 | hrw|work | Tv: world?? MAD you are |
| 10:43.09 | hrw|work | brb |
| 10:43.11 | Tv | hrw|work: I |
| 10:43.14 | Tv | 've tried a bunch of thinmgs |
| 10:43.31 | Tv | e.g. gpe-image |
| 10:44.56 | Tv | world is mostly just "does *anything* work" kind of a test |
| 10:45.03 | hrw|work | Tv: 'bitbake task-base' is a test |
| 10:45.19 | Tv | okay, that's running right now |
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| 11:12.19 | hrw|work | http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html |
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| 11:26.04 | xkr47 | what kind of usb plug does the moko have? |
| 11:26.26 | stefan_schmidt | mini usb |
| 11:27.29 | xkr47 | it might even work directly with the unpowered usb, since the camera has its own battery.. *hopes that it doesn't need the 5V to 'sense' the usb connection* |
| 11:32.08 | koen | iirc it does |
| 11:32.30 | koen | at least on the n770 (also unpowered usbhost) you need to supply 5V |
| 11:32.53 | xkr47 | it might depend on the camera I think |
| 11:33.04 | xkr47 | unless the usb standard says "this is the way to detect an usb connection" |
| 11:33.39 | xkr47 | but anyway, adding a battery is not hard, somebody pasted a "howto" link already |
| 11:33.54 | xkr47 | even if it had a flaw that it connected 5V in both directions |
| 11:34.05 | xkr47 | which means the phone would start charging from the external battery |
| 11:34.20 | xkr47 | and I guess that's not what one wants with moko :) |
| 11:36.10 | xkr47 | I guess the extra month is just great for the software developers, you get to make it even more great now :) |
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| 12:00.03 | Stephmw | iPhone related, http://www.taz.de/pt/2007/01/11.1/kari |
| 12:02.20 | xkr47 | heh |
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| 12:11.45 | LaF0rge | re mickeyl |
| 12:12.45 | Stephmw | impressive pounce :) |
| 12:12.53 | LaF0rge | stephmw: *lol* |
| 12:13.13 | mickeyl | heya |
| 12:13.21 | mickeyl | morning lardman |
| 12:13.25 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 12:13.28 | mickeyl | morning LaF0rge |
| 12:13.41 | Stephmw | LaF0rge: I wish I could understand german - it's lucky that cartoon is in english |
| 12:13.46 | koen | good morning all |
| 12:13.54 | mickeyl | moning koen |
| 12:15.01 | hrw|work | http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html is also iPhone related |
| 12:15.43 | Stephmw | hrw|work: aye although not nearly as funny |
| 12:15.54 | Stephmw | heya koen |
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| 12:24.32 | mikesh | hello, i see in specs that, neo1973 have microsd slot for memory cards up to 1gb, but in eshop i see cards up to 2gb, is there some problem to use 2gb cards? |
| 12:26.37 | mickeyl | i guess we never seen one 2gb card |
| 12:26.39 | mickeyl | yet |
| 12:27.31 | hrw|work | mickeyl: microsd one you mean? |
| 12:27.36 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:28.56 | hrw|work | minisd 2G exists for sure |
| 12:29.36 | hrw|work | found |
| 12:29.57 | hrw|work | Sandisk microSD 2GB - 220 pln (~70 EUR) |
| 12:30.34 | buz | microsd exists |
| 12:30.37 | buz | 50E |
| 12:30.37 | mikesh | yes, and corsair make it too |
| 12:30.51 | buz | minisd about 30E |
| 12:32.08 | mikesh | so, is it possible use it in neo? |
| 12:36.18 | xkr47 | i.e. was the 1GB mentioned for bragging or technical reasons ;) |
| 12:36.30 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> i guess we never seen one 2gb card |
| 12:36.36 | mickeyl | 'we' being all people who have prototypes |
| 12:37.11 | xkr47 | where can I send my 10e via paypal so they can get money for a 2GB card to test with ;) |
| 12:37.16 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 12:37.24 | mickeyl | "support your local hardware manufacturer" |
| 12:38.24 | xkr47 | if not for microsd cards then for pizzas and coca-cola :) |
| 12:38.45 | xorAxAx | t |
| 12:38.49 | xorAxAx | oops |
| 12:39.01 | mickeyl | off topic |
| 12:39.13 | mickeyl | </offtopic> |
| 12:39.15 | xkr47 | \o/ |
| 12:39.32 | xkr47 | tell us :) |
| 12:39.35 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 12:39.36 | mickeyl | http://www.roland.com/V-synth/ |
| 12:39.43 | mickeyl | there will be a new V-Synth!!!! |
| 12:39.49 | xkr47 | *droolism* |
| 12:40.05 | xkr47 | in what price range are those |
| 12:40.10 | mickeyl | ya know if there's one thing where i'm more gear lusty than in mobile devices then it's synthesizer |
| 12:40.16 | mickeyl | USD 3000 |
| 12:40.22 | xkr47 | k |
| 12:40.40 | xkr47 | I have a yamaha p-80 keyboard only, ~1500 usd |
| 12:40.54 | xkr47 | or that's what I paid for it ~5 years ago in Finland :) |
| 12:41.05 | xkr47 | it's not a synth |
| 12:42.07 | mickeyl | it got a weighted keyboard? |
| 12:42.32 | mickeyl | synth keyboards always feel so sloppy, that's why i prefer weighted keyboards |
| 12:42.47 | mickeyl | (being a bad but passionate piano player) |
| 12:43.47 | Ycros | I know almost nothing about hardware synths |
| 12:43.49 | Ycros | how open are they? |
| 12:43.51 | xkr47 | if weighted means pressure-sensitive then yes |
| 12:44.06 | xkr47 | I'm not good either but I play the piano for fun |
| 12:44.36 | Ycros | aye, I have a cheap velocity sensitive midi keyboard |
| 12:44.46 | xkr47 | the p-80 doesn't have a lot of instruments, but it's not a casio xyz-500 either bragging with quantitive features |
| 12:48.09 | hrw|work | xkr47: you an always use it as keyboard with another midi synth |
| 12:48.35 | xkr47 | hmm didn't quite get that.. |
| 12:48.48 | xkr47 | you use your midi keyboard with another midi synth ? |
| 12:48.57 | xkr47 | or did you ask if I use it ? |
| 12:48.57 | hrw|work | xkr47: iirc it is possible |
| 12:49.05 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 12:51.10 | hrw|work | so if you have dev1 which has great keyboard but not so great sound... |
| 13:02.05 | Ycros | xkr47: I hook it up to my computer and use soft synths under linux |
| 13:02.39 | Ycros | it's usb as well, which is what I use to connect it |
| 13:02.55 | xkr47 | I'd like to do that too, tried to build a midi connector myself once, but it didn't work :( |
| 13:03.05 | Ycros | you just plug it in and it works |
| 13:03.09 | xkr47 | yea |
| 13:03.11 | Ycros | a midi device pops up in linux |
| 13:03.13 | xkr47 | maybe I should get one of those |
| 13:03.17 | Ycros | usb++ :) |
| 13:03.27 | xkr47 | how much did it cost |
| 13:03.38 | xkr47 | Ycros, soon you'll be connecting your midi keyboard to your moko phone ?-DD |
| 13:04.08 | mickeyl | no kidding, there are USB midi interfaces and Alsa has support for some of hem |
| 13:04.20 | Ycros | it's an evolution mk 249 |
| 13:04.30 | Ycros | mickeyl: it's a standard usb midi device |
| 13:04.40 | Ycros | not anything specific |
| 13:04.57 | mickeyl | cool |
| 13:05.15 | Ycros | xkr47: um, I think I paid around $100-200AUD |
| 13:05.18 | Ycros | it was a while ago |
| 13:06.05 | xkr47 | right so 60-120eur then :) |
| 13:06.06 | Ycros | but |
| 13:06.09 | Ycros | look up prices |
| 13:06.15 | Ycros | because it's probably old now :P |
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| 13:06.58 | Ycros | I'm sure there are newer ones as well now |
| 13:07.27 | Ycros | I wanted the cheapest I could find, with the requirement that it was velocity sensitive |
| 13:07.41 | Ycros | usb just happened to be in there :) |
| 13:07.47 | xkr47 | :) |
| 13:09.16 | Ycros | and it only does midi, it doesn't have speakers at all |
| 13:11.34 | xkr47 | well my keyboard doesn't have speakers but it has headphones & line output |
| 13:11.43 | xkr47 | and has some very nice piano etc sounds |
| 13:12.01 | xkr47 | sounds almost like the real thing with headphones |
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| 13:13.58 | blackbird | hoi |
| 13:14.23 | xkr47 | yoi |
| 13:15.48 | xkr47 | Ycros, how do you know if it's velocity sensitive.. :) |
| 13:15.55 | xkr47 | -> priv |
| 13:16.41 | blackbird | i have to admit: openmoko looks interesting |
| 13:17.08 | blackbird | yesterday i thought after the iPhone it will take some time to suprise me again |
| 13:17.20 | blackbird | but an open platform is just great :D |
| 13:17.23 | Ycros | it says it's velocity sensitive in the features |
| 13:17.30 | Ycros | and when I hit the keys soft, it plays soft |
| 13:17.36 | Ycros | > |
| 13:17.38 | Ycros | :> |
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| 13:33.14 | hrw|work | ~change 200 aud to eur |
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| 13:39.36 | xorAxAx | blackbird: hi |
| 13:39.47 | blackbird | hossa xorAxAx |
| 13:40.14 | blackbird | xorAxAx, i'm surprised |
| 13:41.09 | blackbird | didn't expect you here |
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| 13:42.59 | xorAxAx | blackbird: i had been here for months |
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| 13:43.09 | xorAxAx | blackbird: always claiming that the phone wont appear in january |
| 13:43.21 | xorAxAx | and i was right :) |
| 13:43.31 | blackbird | xorAxAx, hehe. i found it today via digg |
| 13:43.38 | xorAxAx | *puke* |
| 13:43.38 | blackbird | guess i missed something the last months |
| 13:44.53 | koen | heh |
| 13:44.54 | koen | http://digg.com/gadgets/Moko_The_Open_Source_cheaper_alternative_to_iPhone |
| 13:46.17 | Stephmw | hey, at least atm they're both at the same stage of commercial availability... both 'soft-launched' |
| 13:46.25 | Stephmw | Apple has the advantage for publicity in being sued |
| 13:46.38 | h32 | are there already stores selling the moko cell phone? |
| 13:46.48 | koen | h32: see topic |
| 13:47.15 | koen | ". and supposedly you can run drivers in the linux os that emulate 802.11." |
| 13:47.17 | blackbird | hmm. no wifi and no umts? |
| 13:47.18 | koen | wtf? |
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| 13:47.53 | xorAxAx | blackbird: neither nor |
| 13:48.09 | blackbird | bummer |
| 13:48.20 | koen | "If Moko is based on Linux, it must be Ubuntu. Where else would they get a brown-n-orange UI design??" |
| 13:48.27 | xorAxAx | haha |
| 13:48.41 | CM | Hehe |
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| 13:50.00 | koen | the most enlightened comment: "digg needs a ban on netspeak. violators should be shot." |
| 13:50.25 | koen | Well, in spanish "moko" sounds exactly the same as "moco", which means "mucus" |
| 13:50.38 | blackbird | what's the advantage of a smartphone without umts today? |
| 13:50.46 | koen | in dutch people seem to confuse it with a racial slur |
| 13:50.58 | koen | blackbird: for the operator or you? |
| 13:51.24 | blackbird | koen, if i want to send / receive mails, surf the web umts is the only chance here in austria |
| 13:51.29 | blackbird | everything else is unpayable |
| 13:52.00 | koen | if you have a umts supscription edge and gprs are usually grandfathered in |
| 13:52.07 | koen | since umts will use that as a fallback |
| 13:53.12 | CM | I've never had any issues mailing on gprs, as long as you're not attatching 300k pics |
| 13:53.42 | CM | And surfing with opera mini is acceptable |
| 13:59.33 | blackbird | how much vaporware is openmoko at the moment? |
| 13:59.55 | xorAxAx | blackbird: 0% |
| 14:00.37 | blackbird | xorAxAx, that means software is already finished and all people are doing now is waiting for fic? |
| 14:00.49 | xorAxAx | blackbird: no |
| 14:01.01 | xorAxAx | blackbird: but apparently, the hardware is not in latest phases |
| 14:01.25 | blackbird | xorAxAx, but the software is finished so farß |
| 14:01.55 | xorAxAx | blackbird: its based on stuff like OE |
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| 14:02.13 | xorAxAx | which has been finished. most drivers are finished, no idea about the UI |
| 14:03.40 | blackbird | from what i've seen now the fic neo device has some real disadvantages: really, really small flash, no edge, no wifi, no camera, usb1.1 :-/ |
| 14:03.52 | blackbird | at least usb2 and wifi would be good |
| 14:04.43 | xorAxAx | integrating wifi is a rather large task which ranges from redimensioning the battery to finding some space for the wifi module/antenna |
| 14:04.47 | koen | 64mb is small? |
| 14:04.57 | xorAxAx | blackbird: you can add microsd |
| 14:05.09 | xorAxAx | or an external harddrive :) |
| 14:05.24 | blackbird | koen, yes |
| 14:05.42 | blackbird | xorAxAx, my ipaq (5 years old) has 64 flash |
| 14:05.52 | blackbird | koen, the iphone ships 4 gigs |
| 14:05.54 | xorAxAx | but its not a phone |
| 14:06.02 | koen | it doesn't run debian or fedoraaargh which need 300MB for 'hello world' |
| 14:06.07 | blackbird | xorAxAx, does a phone need more? |
| 14:06.15 | xorAxAx | less than a pda, blackbird |
| 14:07.06 | blackbird | xorAxAx, i use a plain nokia phone currently with 16MB flash and it started telling me that the memory is full some days ago |
| 14:07.06 | xorAxAx | and iphone is currently still vaporware |
| 14:07.13 | Tv | don't know about you but I'd love to move stuff from a digicam to openmoko and then push them slowly over gprs, letting openmoko remove them when transfer finishes |
| 14:07.18 | blackbird | and i just saved notes, sms and contacts |
| 14:07.22 | flickerfly | If this opensource phone takes off, maybe the branch into an open source iPhone equiv will be a natural progression |
| 14:07.45 | xorAxAx | blackbird: 1 MB of sms costs more than 1000 EUR in germany |
| 14:07.46 | flickerfly | I'd imagine that would be an expensive business risk in the mind of business guys to start with a PDA type device |
| 14:07.57 | xorAxAx | blackbird: contacts are small, notes mostly as well. so your phone must be broken |
| 14:08.03 | xorAxAx | with openmoko, you would know why |
| 14:09.08 | blackbird | xorAxAx, how large is one sms for you? |
| 14:10.24 | CM | Isn't it always 160 chars? |
| 14:10.25 | blackbird | 160 chars with a singlebyte encoding, some additional information about sender, time, receiver, follow up -> i guess 0.5K then |
| 14:10.47 | xorAxAx | one gms sms text message is 140 bytes |
| 14:10.53 | xorAxAx | (just the payload) |
| 14:11.13 | blackbird | xorAxAx, why 140? |
| 14:11.18 | xorAxAx | refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service for details |
| 14:11.23 | blackbird | i'll do |
| 14:11.30 | xorAxAx | blackbird: because 160 is an approximation based on 7 bit characters |
| 14:11.35 | mjr | yeah, sms are ridiculously priced, which is why we need that app that will send whatever data we want (push-to-talk voice, text messages, files) to other phones via ip) |
| 14:11.36 | xorAxAx | sms messages dont use ascii |
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| 14:12.21 | hrw|work | SMS use GSM charset |
| 14:12.42 | blackbird | hrw|work, no. the can use multybyte chars as well |
| 14:13.08 | blackbird | either 7bit gsm, 8bit ascii or ucs2 |
| 14:13.09 | hrw|work | blackbird: GSM or multibyte |
| 14:13.14 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 14:13.53 | blackbird | anyway. the phone is three years old and my memory is full |
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| 14:14.06 | blackbird | three years of contacts, messages and notifications |
| 14:14.15 | blackbird | 16MB |
| 14:14.37 | koen | fwiw, jffs2 doesn't support >4GB |
| 14:14.41 | stefan_schmidt | makes 12 years with the neo. ;) |
| 14:14.54 | koen | and dwmw2 refuses to use >32bit pointers |
| 14:15.00 | koen | ~hail logfs |
| 14:15.01 | apt | ACTION bows down to logfs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:15.03 | blackbird | stefan_schmidt, and the openmoko software is 0bit big |
| 14:15.19 | blackbird | oh. and of course i wouldn't be able to put soundfiles and pictures onto that device then |
| 14:16.04 | blackbird | yeah. of course |
| 14:16.13 | blackbird | it's small nontheless |
| 14:16.36 | stefan_schmidt | If you like to have a mobile hdd buy ipod, etc. |
| 14:17.44 | blackbird | i am a ipod owner :) |
| 14:18.07 | koen | I think my current phone has 2MB free for me |
| 14:18.49 | buz | the people commenting on the digg story really need to get a clue |
| 14:19.25 | buz | mobile hd sucks |
| 14:19.38 | buz | eats tons of power and prone to failure |
| 14:19.41 | hrw|work | koen: my has 30MB free + 35MB free on memorystick |
| 14:20.09 | stefan_schmidt | blackbird: Hardware for v1 is settled. v2 will have much nicer hardware, but also higher price. And of course you can still buy other phones. It's your choice |
| 14:20.19 | buz | besides ill likely stick to my shuffle for music playing anyeay |
| 14:20.30 | blackbird | yeah. i'll keep watching openmoko |
| 14:20.39 | blackbird | for now i'm still happy with my nokia |
| 14:20.46 | stefan_schmidt | fine |
| 14:20.49 | buz | so i'm supposed to pay 350$ now and 550$ in 6 months... |
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| 14:22.04 | buz | still trying to figure out if ill buy v1 |
| 14:22.17 | koen | v2 will have bigger brake disks |
| 14:22.27 | blackbird | koen, does it have wifi? |
| 14:22.29 | koen | and a 40" HDTV |
| 14:22.33 | buz | i want tiptronic |
| 14:22.40 | blackbird | lol |
| 14:22.42 | skome | How inconvenient/expensive would it be to backup old messages/contacts OTA to a file server? Space on device wouldn't be such a constraint of transfer was convenient |
| 14:22.58 | buz | that would obviously depend on your provider |
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| 14:23.26 | skome | aside from rate plans, from your perspective as a user: acceptable? |
| 14:23.38 | buz | not with my current plan no |
| 14:23.42 | buz | with a flat rate, definitely |
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| 14:24.01 | buz | not sure why you couldnt do it with usb or bt tho |
| 14:24.07 | buz | its not like 64mb wont last for a week |
| 14:24.28 | stefan_schmidt | I think messages and contacts don't will be a problem. Problem is stuff like video, music and photo. |
| 14:24.29 | buz | especially considering you havent got a cam |
| 14:24.38 | skome | Sure. I'm thinking of T-Mobile Sidekicks, which seem to rsync in the background |
| 14:25.00 | buz | if gprs is paid for, no problem with that |
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| 14:30.11 | blackbird | so. offline |
| 14:31.00 | buz | gprs is too slow for that |
| 14:31.15 | buz | and it would eat battery |
| 14:31.25 | Stephmw | anyone else interested in Java for the Neo? |
| 14:32.02 | mjr | it would eat some battery, true, but slowness is subjective; you'd still have your local music to play while waiting for the new bits |
| 14:32.06 | koen | *if* people are interested they don't seem to want to put in any effort |
| 14:32.49 | mjr | I suspect effort will rise when the phone is published. But I'm only marginally interested myself, not much into putting effort on that. |
| 14:33.52 | Stephmw | koen: or any public effort in any case... oh well, things should improve with the hardware release |
| 14:34.13 | koen | Stephmw: amazing how short sighted people are |
| 14:34.23 | Stephmw | koen: best news is that there's soon going to be an open sourced JIT for arm |
| 14:34.29 | Stephmw | koen: just in time too |
| 14:34.45 | koen | right |
| 14:35.12 | koen | but getting CDC and CLDC (e.g phoneme feature+advance) to work would be a start |
| 14:35.31 | koen | waiting for release to start a gtk peer is just plain stupid |
| 14:35.59 | Stephmw | there's an SDL port underway for CLDC already, it's looking good |
| 14:36.23 | Stephmw | it's frustrating I'm not allowed to help |
| 14:37.14 | accum | hi all |
| 14:37.25 | koen | thanks to sun I'm not allowed to share the recipes for the older cvm |
| 14:37.36 | accum | where and when can I order myself a Neo1973? |
| 14:37.43 | koen | accum: see topic |
| 14:38.11 | Stephmw | koen: my problem is that I'm *currently* employed working on a closed j2me implementation, so anything open sourced in that area is out of bounds |
| 14:38.14 | accum | ok that answers the when |
| 14:38.46 | accum | the where translates to openmoko.com? |
| 14:38.48 | koen | binary compatible with openmoko |
| 14:39.31 | pjz | Is there an openmoko CVS tree someplace? to start building an emulator or cross-build environment? |
| 14:39.45 | koen | pjz: http://openembedded.org |
| 14:39.45 | buz | pjz: not public yet |
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| 14:41.01 | stefan_schmidt | accum: One it is to sale you should get the infos on openmoko.com, yes. |
| 14:42.14 | accum | koen: will they be sold through openmoko.com or the FIC website? |
| 14:42.16 | buz | me wonders abuout bayesian text prediction |
| 14:42.24 | pjz | buz: that would be cool |
| 14:42.39 | buz | but the db would be prohibitively large |
| 14:43.29 | pjz | whyso? |
| 14:43.44 | buz | well it would obviously depend on how you do i |
| 14:44.05 | buz | naive implementation based on two word pairs would be huuuge |
| 14:44.31 | buz | i wonder how tengo.com work |
| 14:44.34 | pjz | /usr/share/dict/american-english is only 900k or so |
| 14:44.34 | accum | note to self: read before asking :) |
| 14:44.49 | koen | which is ~500kB on jffs2 |
| 14:44.59 | buz | pjz: take 5000 words. square the number |
| 14:45.04 | buz | assign each a 16bit int |
| 14:45.11 | buz | and you get to huge datasets |
| 14:45.19 | buz | (and 5000 words is really very low) |
| 14:46.09 | buz | you'd need about 100MB to store 4 most likely following words for any given word pair |
| 14:46.11 | koen | buz: De Bello Gallico only used 1500 different words :) |
| 14:46.11 | xorAxAx | koen: less than that |
| 14:46.23 | buz | i dont read latin |
| 14:46.28 | xorAxAx | because english words have a low entropy |
| 14:47.49 | buz | is there an open source grammar checker? |
| 14:48.02 | Stephmw | buz: are you referring to letter-in-word prediction, or word-in-sentence prediction? the former is easy to pack efficiently in an N-tree |
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| 14:48.16 | buz | ideally both |
| 14:48.29 | buz | bot the latter is more interesting |
| 14:48.51 | buz | stupid curse of dimensionality |
| 14:51.45 | aloril | xkr47: fuji camera is supported by linux? what kind of things you can do? (or do you mean usb-storage?) |
| 14:53.26 | koen | Stephmw: is it me, or do I sense a lack of 'real' developers on the ml? |
| 14:54.10 | stefan_schmidt | koen: It's openmoko-community not openmoko-devel :) |
| 14:54.23 | koen | right |
| 14:54.29 | Stephmw | :) |
| 14:54.35 | Stephmw | the devs will come |
| 14:54.41 | hrw|work | stefan_schmidt: rumours say there is devel ML too but access to it is denied |
| 14:54.42 | buz | you mean there are devs? |
| 14:54.51 | buz | not just oompa loompas in fic's cellar? |
| 14:54.52 | c10h12n2 | Just out of curiosity, how could what _you_ sense be anything but _you_? |
| 14:55.26 | stefan_schmidt | hrw|work: Would make sense that -devel is for coreteam only right now. |
| 14:55.56 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: that's because it's only used for [NSFW] joke emails, right? :) |
| 14:56.17 | xkr47 | aloril, I have a Fuji F10, connect the camera to the pc with the usb cable that came with the camera, and it's then visible as regular usb mass storage in linux |
| 14:56.24 | stefan_schmidt | Stephmw: The mostly joke about you and me. ;) |
| 14:56.43 | xkr47 | aloril, I don't know if the usb connectivity offers other features, haven't tried |
| 14:56.47 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: the curse of sharing the same name :) |
| 14:57.08 | xkr47 | aloril, but it seems the camera is "offline" while usb is connected |
| 14:57.20 | aloril | xkr47: ok, I was starting to drool for more control ;-) |
| 14:57.30 | xkr47 | I've once used a canon EOS from linux |
| 14:57.49 | aloril | xkr47: what kind of control? |
| 14:57.50 | xkr47 | using gphoto2, it took pictures by running a simple command :) |
| 14:58.08 | xkr47 | sorry hmm was it eos.. well D-10 or something like that |
| 14:58.09 | koen | canon eos use PTP |
| 14:58.24 | koen | as do most canon cameras |
| 14:58.42 | koen | (the ones with usb) |
| 14:59.48 | Stephmw | I use my Canon 350D with gphoto2 |
| 14:59.55 | Stephmw | but mostly just to transfer the photos |
| 15:00.06 | aloril | hmm... panasonic has 2 USB modes too (PC==storage) and PTP |
| 15:00.25 | xkr47 | the info in the JPG says it was a "Canon EOS Digital Rebel" |
| 15:01.00 | Stephmw | dammit, forgot to reinstall fxif for firefox |
| 15:02.11 | Stephmw | xkr47: ok... Digital Rebel is 300D, Digital Rebel XT is 350D and the XTi is 400D |
| 15:02.16 | koen | xkr47: more ant: http://www.flickr.com/photos/86669029@N00/332045491/in/set-72157594436444795/ |
| 15:02.33 | xkr47 | koen, :) |
| 15:02.37 | koen | Stephmw: don't forget that in .jp it's called 'kiss' |
| 15:02.44 | buz | mhh the flash just went of |
| 15:02.50 | buz | but now error |
| 15:03.48 | wiking | and anybody managed to use an eos in storage mode? :) or that is just not possible |
| 15:04.02 | buz | mhh shots pictures but i cant get them |
| 15:04.11 | koen | wiking: it is possible to upload files via ptp |
| 15:04.20 | wiking | because i was really pissed that i had this 2 gigs cf in my 400d, but there was no cf card reader around |
| 15:04.30 | wiking | and i couldnt manage to get it in storage mode under osx :( |
| 15:04.57 | koen | iirc there's a fuse driver for libgphoto |
| 15:05.28 | wiking | oh |
| 15:05.28 | wiking | linux hakko? :> |
| 15:06.17 | aloril | in any case, probably almost every camera supports usb storage, indeed neo 'has' much better camera than iPhone ;-) |
| 15:06.32 | Stephmw | koen: interesting |
| 15:06.42 | Stephmw | koen: I'll have a look for that tonight |
| 15:06.58 | wiking | koen: been there! ))) |
| 15:07.03 | wiking | koen: awful :>> |
| 15:07.14 | koen | Stephmw: http://www.gphoto.org/proj/gphotofs/ |
| 15:07.22 | wiking | koen: i had to wait 2.5 months to upgrade the fw in my sigmas... |
| 15:07.42 | koen | wiking: they claimed it would take <4 weeks |
| 15:07.46 | koen | wiking: but I'll see |
| 15:07.57 | wiking | koen: upgrade for which cam ?:) |
| 15:08.43 | wiking | because i just bought the 400d when it came out... so they needed to reverse engineer the new protocol for it... of course they didn't want to tell me this so they were comming up with different stories what's happening with my 2 lenses |
| 15:09.28 | koen | Stephmw: wow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephmw/200874014/ |
| 15:09.48 | Stephmw | other photogeeks are welcome to hop into #photogeeks for non hacking-related chat :) |
| 15:09.53 | koen | wiking: it frontfocusses on my 20d, but it is ok-ish on my 1d |
| 15:10.05 | wiking | koen: :) |
| 15:10.07 | wiking | ok-ish :> |
| 15:10.16 | wiking | you get Err99 sometimes? :) |
| 15:10.26 | Stephmw | koen: yeah, I liked that shot... I was a bit blinded after shooting it :) |
| 15:10.42 | koen | wiking: no, it front-focusses a bit less |
| 15:11.04 | wiking | :| |
| 15:11.31 | wiking | i had this strange err99 so the shutter locked up a bit.... but yeah now it's better |
| 15:11.40 | koen | which seems common for canon-mount 24-70's |
| 15:12.29 | Stephmw | got it used - not new ;) |
| 15:12.39 | wiking | Stephmw: that must be awesome :) |
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| 15:13.03 | Stephmw | wiking: it's a nice step up from the kit, but it's not an 'L' lens ;) |
| 15:13.16 | wiking | ohh |
| 15:13.18 | wiking | ef-s :( |
| 15:14.08 | Stephmw | hey, at almost half price, on a 350D, I wasn't going to complain too much - it replaces two of my lenses |
| 15:14.59 | wiking | ehhehe |
| 15:15.01 | wiking | :P |
| 15:15.26 | koen | I <heart> 100mm macro |
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| 15:15.39 | mitsuhiko | back |
| 15:16.20 | Stephmw | koen: I make do with a reversed 50mm prime :) with a 52mm thread, it just fits the body bayonet fitting tightly |
| 15:16.57 | koen | Stephmw: I bought an extra bodycap + reversing ring a while back |
| 15:17.16 | koen | I still need to find time to attack it with a saw and glue |
| 15:17.21 | Stephmw | haha |
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| 15:17.47 | Stephmw | I've been told there's a guy in china who custom-machines bayonet->filter thread adapters for ~$10 |
| 15:17.54 | koen | it was cheaper to buy them in the usa and have them sent here.... |
| 15:17.58 | Stephmw | waiting on my contact to give me his details |
| 15:18.06 | koen | $7 for both, $12 for delivery |
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| 15:24.41 | aloril | number 1 accessory for neo: battery powered usb hub (and charger for neo at same time hopefully) -> *MUCH* more possible than any other phone |
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| 15:50.00 | hrw|work | someone still want firefox on embedded? |
| 15:50.02 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.02 | hrw|work | 23899 hrw 25 0 1101m 984m 8976 R 99.1 77.8 35:23.05 firefox-bin |
| 15:50.40 | Sencer | well, you still have 22.2% mem for other stuff, don't you? |
| 15:51.03 | mitsuhiko | hrw|work: try minimo :) |
| 15:51.17 | aloril | hrw|work: I think have been sometimes close to 2GB ;-) |
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| 16:22.44 | bipolar | did all these people join after reading the digg story like I did or is this place always this full? :) |
| 16:23.29 | vargr | this crowd has been slowly growing - |
| 16:23.32 | so_solid_moo | 'digg'? |
| 16:23.47 | vargr | it was usually around 70-some at the beginning of the week |
| 16:23.56 | kaboofa | i read something about openmoko a month or so ago |
| 16:24.03 | kaboofa | didn't come into the irc channel until now ;o |
| 16:24.42 | aloril | yeah, I don't think I have seen 125 before |
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| 16:32.39 | xorAxAx | 14:43:04 -!- Irssi: New peak in #openmoko@freenode : 117 |
| 16:32.46 | xorAxAx | 17:31:36 -!- Irssi: New peak in #openmoko@freenode : 127 |
| 16:32.50 | xorAxAx | (1 minute ago) |
| 16:34.12 | pjz | the lwn.net story helped too, I'm sure |
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| 16:37.47 | koen | frakking bots |
| 16:43.15 | Stephmw | pjz: what's the exact link? |
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| 16:49.37 | aloril | explanation for neo's number: http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2007/01/openmoko_harks_.html |
| 16:50.51 | koen | aaaaaargh |
| 16:50.54 | koen | "MontaVista is providing the Linux kernel, Trolltech the middleware and Sean Moss Pultz, FIC’s product manager and OpenMoko “evangelist” is assembling a posse of Linux devotees to help develop applications." |
| 16:51.08 | koen | the neo is not tainted by MV and TT |
| 16:51.42 | benJIman | Qtopia is GPL now, so it wouldn't be tainting |
| 16:51.47 | mjr | I wondered about the same |
| 16:51.57 | mjr | maybe they're confusing with the greenphone |
| 16:51.58 | koen | benJIman: the phone stuff isn't |
| 16:52.08 | xorAxAx | koen: thats about the fix phone? |
| 16:52.10 | benJIman | koen: it is now |
| 16:52.11 | xorAxAx | s/fix/fic/ |
| 16:52.17 | Stephmw | yeah, it does sound like they're confused... |
| 16:52.24 | benJIman | but the article seems completeyl wrong |
| 16:52.36 | koen | benJIman: include SXE and DRM? |
| 16:52.39 | xorAxAx | maybe they know more than we do and LaF0rge is just a simulation |
| 16:52.58 | benJIman | koen: no not those bits |
| 16:53.35 | hrw|work | benJIman: Qtopia is GPL/QPL |
| 16:53.44 | hrw|work | benJIman: for commercial use Qtopia is not GPL |
| 16:53.55 | xorAxAx | hrw|work: ? |
| 16:53.59 | xorAxAx | they modified the GPL? |
| 16:54.04 | xorAxAx | GPL doesnt forbid commercial use |
| 16:54.05 | koen | xorAxAx: dual licensing |
| 16:54.09 | hrw|work | xorAxAx: no - they dual license it |
| 16:54.17 | xorAxAx | but then you may not say it like that :) |
| 16:54.29 | xorAxAx | because you may use it commercially, under GPL |
| 16:54.29 | koen | xorAxAx: "GPL *if* you don't make money of it" |
| 16:54.39 | xorAxAx | koen: but thats a modified GPL |
| 16:54.39 | benJIman | hrw|work: GPL doesn't restrict how you can sell it |
| 16:54.51 | benJIman | koen: that's not a valid restriction of the GPL |
| 16:54.51 | koen | xorAxAx: no, that's dual licensing |
| 16:54.54 | xorAxAx | koen: no |
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| 16:55.06 | xorAxAx | GPL says "you may use this shit even if you sell it" |
| 16:55.08 | benJIman | koen: GPL does not prevent you from seling it |
| 16:55.23 | xorAxAx | then if you come and say "but dont make money out of it", then you modified GPL terms |
| 16:55.25 | koen | tell that to TrollTech |
| 16:55.27 | xorAxAx | or contradicted them |
| 16:55.36 | xorAxAx | e.g. mysql: |
| 16:55.43 | benJIman | koen: trolltech don't prevent you from selling the GPLed software |
| 16:55.46 | xorAxAx | they dual license their code as well gpl/commercial |
| 16:56.03 | benJIman | If you want to develop non-GPL apps with it you'll need the "commercial" licence |
| 16:56.08 | xorAxAx | which forces all people that use mysql with closed source or gpl incompatible apps to buy the license |
| 16:56.13 | benJIman | but you are free to sell GPLed apps with the GPLed versions |
| 16:56.26 | xorAxAx | the keypoint for them is that the mysql client lib is gpl as ewll |
| 16:56.35 | mitsuhiko | openmoko will use Qt for the gui? |
| 16:56.40 | xorAxAx | no |
| 16:56.43 | benJIman | mitsuhiko: no, gtk |
| 16:56.49 | mitsuhiko | gooooooooooood |
| 16:57.06 | xorAxAx | argh, much rain here |
| 16:57.09 | mitsuhiko | gtk is much more fun to work with |
| 16:57.32 | xorAxAx | mitsuhiko: qt is more enterprisey :) |
| 16:57.53 | aloril | commercial program using QT must release source (GPL) or pay for commercial license for being able to hide source (QPL?) |
| 16:58.02 | aloril | in either case you can sell commercially |
| 16:58.12 | koen | LOL: http://www.freelists.org/archives/linux-cirrus/01-2007/msg00023.html |
| 17:00.13 | xorAxAx | aloril: thats rather too simplified ... if you chose to have a FOSS app that is incompatiblity licensed wrt GPL, then you would have to pay as well |
| 17:00.27 | xorAxAx | but i dont think that anybody would want to do that :) |
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| 17:01.34 | Stephmw | koen: my god. that's some serious paranoia |
| 17:02.11 | koen | Stephmw: cute, isn't it? |
| 17:02.45 | Stephmw | koen: strangely enough, most phone manufacturers do this ;-) the onboard ROM is flashed in encrypted form |
| 17:03.09 | Stephmw | koen: using different certificates for commercial and R&D hardware |
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| 17:05.13 | aloril | memory mentioned at least contradicts, but I wonder if its otherwise accurate?: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35590 |
| 17:06.10 | aloril | umm.. just looked at date, old article |
| 17:08.31 | koen | http://www.openmoko.com/ has all the offical info |
| 17:08.37 | koen | that and the topic :) |
| 17:13.43 | Sencer_ | oh, just read the topic. no wifi... :-/ |
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| 17:14.25 | Sencer_ | I assume nobody knows about standbytimes and the like |
| 17:15.03 | aloril | koen: indeed, I had forgotten that pdf referenced from press release page included architecture diagram |
| 17:15.38 | aloril | Sencer_: if you get battery powered hub, then you can get wifi too |
| 17:15.54 | xorAxAx | somebody said that there are microsd cards with wifi |
| 17:16.09 | xorAxAx | mickey|bbl: is the micro sd slot below the battery pack or accessible from outside? |
| 17:16.17 | xorAxAx | in the latter case, that could actually work |
| 17:16.18 | mjr | xorAxAx, and somebody else said that they probably don't fit in Neo's microsd compartment |
| 17:16.19 | hrw|work | xorAxAx: below |
| 17:16.24 | mjr | it's below |
| 17:16.27 | xorAxAx | mjr: ah, ok |
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| 17:41.35 | bipolar | In comments on digg, some people were saying something about using the bluetooth chipset as WiFi. To me it seems like they are smoking something. Is there a grain of truth to that at all? |
| 17:42.39 | skome | slow wifi with a few feet of usable range? That kind of wifi? |
| 17:43.50 | bipolar | hehe |
| 17:43.59 | bipolar | ok. thats still weird to me |
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| 17:44.15 | bipolar | I guess since they both use a signal at 2.4Ghz... |
| 17:45.01 | Tv | you can run IP over bluetooth |
| 17:45.06 | Tv | maybe that's what they meant |
| 17:45.28 | hrw|work | Tv: and you can even choose methods for it |
| 17:45.32 | hrw|work | PAN or DUN |
| 17:45.49 | Tv | heh, PPP over USB Serial |
| 17:47.17 | koen | bipolar: the people on digg are smoking some good shit |
| 17:47.44 | bipolar | koen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInetdN7dCo << like that? :P |
| 17:49.47 | koen | LOL |
| 17:50.15 | bipolar | heh |
| 17:50.38 | kaboofa | I'm going to write my own protocol, instead of having syn/ack it's going to have omg/lol |
| 17:51.21 | skome | you'll eventually need to add in wtf |
| 17:51.37 | kaboofa | s/I'm going to write/I have thought about (but will never will) write |
| 17:51.39 | bipolar | wtf=err |
| 17:51.40 | kaboofa | / |
| 17:51.58 | skome | exactly |
| 17:52.27 | bipolar | omg:lol:omg:lol:omg:lol:omg:OMG:OMG!!!111:wtf |
| 17:52.56 | koen | hmmm |
| 17:53.08 | koen | spam titled "NDA is legal" |
| 17:53.09 | Sencer_ | sorry to ask again, but I was disconnected. where is that digg-thread again? |
| 17:53.24 | bipolar | http://digg.com/gadgets/Moko_The_Open_Source_cheaper_alternative_to_iPhone |
| 17:53.32 | Sencer_ | thanks :) |
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| 17:53.53 | Sencer_ | didn't find anything with Neo1973, openmoko oder FIC ^^ |
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| 18:05.07 | bipolar | I wonder... are there any pay as you go gsm providers? |
| 18:05.15 | bipolar | in the US.... |
| 18:05.56 | koen | ~ugt |
| 18:06.05 | apt | ugt is, like, Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:06.05 | skome | Yes |
| 18:06.05 | mickey|bbl | bipolar? |
| 18:06.05 | bipolar | hiya |
| 18:06.10 | skome | http://www.myrateplan.com/wireless_prepaid/filter.php |
| 18:06.13 | mickey|bbl | how are you doing, bipolar? |
| 18:06.33 | bipolar | mickey|bbl: hey mickey|bbl! Doing good, cept for a sprained ankle |
| 18:06.56 | mickey|bbl | how did ya get that? |
| 18:07.04 | mickey|bbl | still doing anything with your ipaq? |
| 18:07.16 | bipolar | walking in the dark like an idiot |
| 18:07.41 | bipolar | my ipaq is in pieces. the battery died. I still have it, and it runs when hooked up to power. :) |
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| 18:08.03 | mickey|bbl | then you need a new toy! |
| 18:08.11 | bipolar | mickey|bbl: I still have my Zaurus. If it had built in wifi I think I'd use it more. |
| 18:08.20 | mickey|bbl | right |
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| 18:08.25 | bipolar | mickey|bbl: I have a Palm TX. |
| 18:08.26 | mickey|bbl | for a pda, wifi is mandatory nowadays |
| 18:08.29 | mickey|bbl | imo |
| 18:08.55 | koen | and a fpga |
| 18:08.59 | hrw|work | mickey|bbl: you are OE veteran ;) |
| 18:09.01 | bipolar | there is work on a linux port for the TX. I'm hoping some more of the hardware gets supported on it. |
| 18:09.12 | mickey|bbl | hrw|work: that's right. i'd even say you too :) |
| 18:09.19 | hrw|work | ;D |
| 18:09.24 | koen | bipolar: too bad H&D is powered by sheer NIH |
| 18:09.26 | bipolar | yeah. theres a few OE guys here. |
| 18:09.37 | hrw|work | for those which are not familiar with OE: "Why it is worth to choose OE when there are other solutions? For me OE allows for quick start into embedded world without going through horror way of cross-compilation which is quite important in situation when we want to concentrate on out device development. After creating few simple config files we can build working system, use ready recipes to build needed tools (no need to search though internet for th |
| 18:09.39 | bipolar | koen: ahh... |
| 18:10.04 | mickey|bbl | cu later |
| 18:10.10 | hrw|work | cu mickey|bbl |
| 18:10.58 | aloril | there are slow and fast 1GB micro SD cards, are those new 2GB cards slow ones? does Neo1973 support fast speed? what is writing/reading speed from ultra II card? |
| 18:11.35 | ericsmythe | Are Sean and the guys still in Amsterdam - American Hotel - anyone know? |
| 18:11.41 | bipolar | koen: the palm ports need a lot of kernel work before they are truly useful. |
| 18:12.07 | koen | ericsmythe: no, sean is in las vegas now |
| 18:12.08 | hrw|work | ericsmythe: arent they in Vegas on CES? |
| 18:12.40 | hrw|work | aloril: I think that it will support slow only mode |
| 18:12.41 | cjb | aloril: no, neo only supports low-speed SD, from what we could see yesterday. |
| 18:12.49 | ericsmythe | Oh sorry, read the Amsterdam.pdf and thought that was today, thanks |
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| 18:14.28 | aloril | ok, so ultra II would be just waste of money :-( |
| 18:16.36 | bipolar | kaboofa: I'd personaly be much, much more excited if it had wifi. otherwise it looks great |
| 18:16.41 | kaboofa | yeah |
| 18:16.51 | kaboofa | i was hoping for something that would let me use zphone/gizmo ;D |
| 18:17.04 | kaboofa | without paying cingular an arm and both legs for unlimited data |
| 18:17.08 | bipolar | yeah. that would be a killer app |
| 18:18.42 | kaboofa | maybe I should rephrase, emulator for software development |
| 18:19.41 | aloril | kaboofa: depending on application you could just code by assuming gtk+ and vga? |
| 18:19.45 | bipolar | kaboofa: really don't need an emulator.... |
| 18:21.33 | hrw|work | kaboofa: sdk will be available |
| 18:21.37 | hrw|work | kaboofa: X11 with GTK |
| 18:21.55 | kaboofa | my brain keeps saying 'arm7' and 'arm9' for some reason, but I think that's because I have been playing with my NDS a lot lately ;o |
| 18:22.01 | bipolar | koen: it looks like the hnd port for the Palm T|X uses OE... thats a good sign. |
| 18:22.18 | hrw|work | bipolar: kind of use |
| 18:22.34 | bipolar | hrw|work: they don't use it for everything? |
| 18:22.48 | hrw|work | kaboofa: building userland applications usualy does not matter which arch you target |
| 18:22.49 | bipolar | I havn't touched OE in a while. |
| 18:23.03 | hrw|work | bipolar: they use OE but prefer to not cooperate too much |
| 18:23.16 | bipolar | hrw|work: thats strange. |
| 18:23.28 | bipolar | do they have a reason for that, other then NIH? |
| 18:24.18 | hrw|work | rather not |
| 18:24.27 | hrw|work | but you - NIH is power |
| 18:25.06 | hrw|work | s/you/you know |
| 18:25.18 | bipolar | NIH is silly |
| 18:25.42 | hrw|work | I know that, you know that, but does they know that? |
| 18:25.48 | bipolar | nothing would ever get done if everyone was like that. |
| 18:26.29 | vargr | down with the iPhone! |
| 18:26.30 | vargr | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/10/apple-vps-confirm-no-3rd-party-iphone-apps/ |
| 18:26.52 | kaboofa | :( |
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| 18:32.01 | bipolar | kaboofa: what do you expect? it's Apple after all :) |
| 18:33.06 | kaboofa | bipolar: well, i thought xcode was pretty neat |
| 18:33.27 | kaboofa | if I were not a broke-ass college student I would probably be running all apple hardware ;D |
| 18:34.31 | vargr | this guy's trying: |
| 18:34.33 | vargr | http://rentzsch.com/cocoa/iphoneIndieAppDevelopment |
| 18:35.03 | vargr | he's protesting by filing bugs to apple |
| 18:35.20 | vargr | maybe someone will get through to them eventually |
| 18:36.20 | Sencer_ | well, it's better for openmoko if Apple keeps their devices closed, no? |
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| 18:37.17 | vargr | Yeah, all the more reason to get one the SECOND it's available. |
| 18:38.13 | vargr | And to boycott the iPhone. |
| 18:38.27 | Sencer_ | I am really looking forward to the next generation device that runs moko^^ |
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| 18:41.15 | Sencer_ | but I'll buy a neo just to make sure it succeeds ;) |
| 18:41.50 | vargr | buy two |
| 18:42.21 | hrw | three - one for me ; |
| 18:42.29 | CM | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2007/01/11/the-new-iphone-we-have-work-to-do |
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| 18:45.56 | buz | without hardware to run on it 3d stuff will be kinda useles |
| 18:46.15 | koen | pvanhoof hasn't found #openmoko yet? |
| 18:47.39 | CM | "OpenMoko and Nokia are, indeed, a good start. In my opinion, we need a lot more like this." |
| 18:48.01 | CM | Briefly I guess |
| 18:48.28 | CM | Oh, sorry, missed the #... |
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| 18:55.40 | buz | mhh steadily climbing |
| 18:55.49 | buz | digg seems to help ;) |
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| 19:06.14 | evanpro | hi |
| 19:11.46 | evanpro | that is one informative topic line, right there |
| 19:12.01 | evanpro | so I guess we all stay here and wait for it to change? B-) |
| 19:12.23 | vargr | if we stay here long enough, it'll be februrary |
| 19:12.26 | Sencer_ | yes, evanpro |
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| 19:17.06 | noidd | Bluetooth :-) |
| 19:17.52 | koen | hey noidd |
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| 19:30.59 | noidd | hey koen, how goes? |
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| 19:54.36 | buz | 4G microsd |
| 19:54.44 | buz | http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news12096 |
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| 19:56.15 | thedaniel_ | i thought the openmoko could only address 1g? |
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| 19:57.13 | buz | we dont know for sure |
| 19:57.25 | buz | some claim 2G should work |
| 19:57.29 | buz | others say it wont |
| 19:57.32 | Stephmw | offtopic... copying a file from linux->windows using keeps taking forever, anyone have an idea? |
| 19:57.48 | buz | and SDHC is special anyhow |
| 19:57.50 | bipolar | Stephmw: stop using windows? :D |
| 19:57.58 | myren | i have a 8GB CF card that does not play happy with my DS |
| 19:58.13 | Stephmw | bipolar: of course. thanks. how did I not think of that? |
| 19:58.26 | bipolar | Stephmw: I dunno... strange, you are.... |
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| 19:59.41 | buz | try scp over smb |
| 19:59.45 | buz | i've often seen it work much better |
| 20:01.17 | buz | s/over/instead of/ |
| 20:03.06 | l4rs | on the sd size topic: is that really an hardware limitation? |
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| 21:19.35 | pjz | it could be |
| 21:19.49 | pjz | depending on the bus design, it could be like an address-line limit |
| 21:21.13 | xkr47 | does the minisd have an "memory chip" kindof interface? I've understood that at least cf has an "ide emulation" mode in which it's compatible with the ide cable with the help of an adaptor |
| 21:21.30 | xkr47 | but otoh I guess then the "normal" mode might be the same "address line" style |
| 21:21.39 | xkr47 | if that's the normal style :) |
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| 21:31.10 | pjz | I don't know; I think the sd card stuff is also ide-like |
| 21:31.33 | pjz | I guess worst case is someone gets to update the driver +) |
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| 21:39.03 | buz | CF is id like |
| 21:39.06 | buz | SD not so much i think |
| 21:39.25 | buz | SDHC actually uses sector addressing as opposed to byte addressing in plain sd |
| 21:40.33 | buz | (according to wikipedia, anyway) |
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| 21:45.04 | kinema | What GI toolkit is used for the OpenMoko platform? |
| 21:45.09 | kinema | s/GI/GUI |
| 21:47.28 | robtaylor | kinema: gtk+ |
| 21:47.34 | kaboofa | according to the prophecies, gtk |
| 21:48.34 | thresh_ | gtk1. |
| 21:48.44 | kinema | v1? |
| 21:48.57 | kinema | On X or framebuffer? |
| 21:49.50 | koen | gtk 2.6.10 on xserver-kdrive-fbdev |
| 21:50.00 | kinema | :) |
| 21:50.19 | koen | with an option to use gtk 2.10.x if thats is fast enough in later revisions |
| 21:50.27 | kinema | does gtk provide any support for multitouch interfaces? |
| 21:50.54 | koen | nothing in gnu/linux does atm |
| 21:50.59 | koen | (nothing widely used) |
| 21:51.03 | robtaylor | kinema: its up to x, it has support in xorg atm, i think |
| 21:51.26 | robtaylor | but there's no input devices atm |
| 21:51.55 | koen | does the neo support multitouch in hardware? |
| 21:51.59 | koen | last I heard it didn't |
| 21:52.18 | kinema | It seems to me that multtouch touchscreen interfaces would be incredibly usefull for devices such as smartphones |
| 21:52.42 | robtaylor | koen: i very much doubt ir |
| 21:52.44 | robtaylor | *it |
| 21:52.58 | robtaylor | kinema: the tech used in the iPhone is patented to apple |
| 21:53.20 | robtaylor | they sponsored the development of it |
| 21:53.30 | kinema | multitouch interface research has been going on for years |
| 21:53.31 | koen | if I use >1 finger I can't seen the screen :( |
| 21:53.46 | robtaylor | koen: *nod* |
| 21:54.01 | kinema | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/fics-linuxbased-smartphone-213016.php). |
| 21:54.13 | koen | heh |
| 21:54.18 | koen | "Look like the only DOM you'll currently find in rsvg is Mr. Lachowicz. " |
| 21:54.38 | robtaylor | ooh, intersting |
| 21:54.55 | robtaylor | it must be 2 point input using a 5wire |
| 21:55.16 | xkr47 | DOM ?-) |
| 21:55.16 | koen | does tslib support that? |
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| 21:55.32 | xkr47 | GTA001 ?-) |
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| 22:10.56 | kinema | I will say that the Neo1973 looks like a nice platform, ugly but the specs look good. I'm pretty sure I'll be buying myself one when availiable. |
| 22:11.24 | kinema | It's a good start. |
| 22:12.27 | pjz | what's ugly about it? |
| 22:12.59 | kinema | I'm just not much of a fan of the ovalish case. |
| 22:13.06 | pjz | ah |
| 22:13.59 | kinema | I much prefer the physical implementation of the LG KE850 and the iPhonee. |
| 22:15.02 | morricone | someone should update http://www.openmoko.com/ and change January to February |
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| 22:28.39 | quants | I should say there are a lot of us here |
| 22:33.00 | quants | will the moko have a camera? |
| 22:33.40 | kinema | afaik no |
| 22:33.50 | kinema | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko |
| 22:34.40 | quants | I'd like to see sip on this >> bt |
| 22:35.01 | kinema | i'm sure we all would. |
| 22:37.27 | Destructo | whats BT ? |
| 22:37.44 | prpplague | bluetooth i would assume |
| 22:37.50 | kinema | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.54 | Destructo | ah right ok |
| 22:37.55 | prpplague | hrw: greetings |
| 22:38.00 | kinema | in what context |
| 22:38.09 | hrw | hi prpplague, all |
| 22:38.27 | prpplague | hrw: start hammering the libertas code on monday |
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| 22:38.34 | hrw | prpplague: cool |
| 22:38.57 | prpplague | hrw: 2.4 code is stable and working with wpa_supplicant |
| 22:39.02 | hrw | I have to get my wrt54gs working again ;( |
| 22:39.06 | hrw | prpplague: .19 version? |
| 22:39.09 | prpplague | hrw: yea |
| 22:39.20 | prpplague | hrw: so i have a reference point |
| 22:39.22 | hrw | prpplague: too bad that you cant share it ;( |
| 22:39.45 | hrw | prpplague: I will need 2.4 driver for collie - .11 will have to get working then |
| 22:41.17 | baconet | whois hrw |
| 22:41.33 | hrw | ~hrw |
| 22:41.45 | apt | you are, like, Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/OpenZaurus/OPIE developer, OpenZaurus 3.5.4.x release maintainer - contact via homepage: http://www.hrw.one.pl/ but also Human Rights Watch organization (both not related) |
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| 22:44.25 | Destructo | hrw your home page needs a . after the 3rd w |
| 22:44.42 | hrw | Destructo: where? |
| 22:44.49 | Destructo | on the apt post |
| 22:44.55 | Destructo | http://www.hrw.one.pl/ |
| 22:45.08 | hrw | which apt post? |
| 22:45.09 | kinema | that's what apt said |
| 22:45.10 | Destructo | oh wait.. i cant see it nm |
| 22:45.16 | Destructo | sorry |
| 22:45.16 | Stephmw | :) |
| 22:47.20 | prpplague | hrw: i need to double check, but i don't think there is any problem with distribution of the .19 driver |
| 22:47.25 | hrw | Destructo: I propose terminus |
| 22:47.29 | prpplague | hrw: i don't believe we signed anything |
| 22:47.49 | Destructo | k |
| 22:50.45 | kinema | multi-touch interface demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwGAKUForhM |
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| 22:51.39 | kinema | granted it's not on a 3" screen |
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| 23:08.36 | pjz | is the openmoko multitouch? |
| 23:09.02 | Psi | good question |
| 23:09.03 | kinema | it doesn't appear to be |
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| 23:09.12 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey|bbl -> OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | Neo1973 ETA for early access: February 2007 | Wifi: No, Multitouch: No, Bluetooth: Yes | Direct-Sale World Wide | No Preorders yet |
| 23:09.16 | mickey|bbl | g'night |
| 23:09.21 | hrw | n8 mickey|zzZZzz |
| 23:09.33 | xkr47 | pjz Psi kinema, http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/fics-linuxbased-smartphone-213016.php |
| 23:10.24 | kinema | xkr47: That and a few other articles seems to be incorrect. |
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| 23:10.41 | kinema | the touchscreen is not multitouch capable |
| 23:10.43 | Psi | maybe they intended to do it but put it off until the 2nd version |
| 23:10.48 | xkr47 | kinema, :P |
| 23:12.32 | Psi | this may be a stupid question, but do we get the sourcecode to the applications that come with the phone? sms etc.. |
| 23:13.02 | kinema | for everything except the AGPS driver |
| 23:13.07 | Psi | cool |
| 23:13.34 | kinema | that's an undersatement |
| 23:13.43 | cjb | anyone looked into reimplementing the binary gpsd? |
| 23:14.17 | kinema | I doubt it's too high on the list. |
| 23:15.34 | kinema | cjb: actually it looks like there has been talk about it on the mailing list. |
| 23:15.55 | quants | what is multi touch? |
| 23:16.21 | rwhitby | http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1 is the first real demo of multi-touch that I have found. |
| 23:16.42 | kinema | i linked to that video on youtube |
| 23:16.43 | cjb | (In fact, Apple bought the company that made it for the IP.) |
| 23:17.32 | rwhitby | cjb: I suspected that, but didn't know for sure. thanks. |
| 23:18.36 | kinema | http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ |
| 23:19.05 | ericsmythe | Would it be possible to connect a bluetooth kboard to the Neo? |
| 23:19.17 | kinema | shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:20.00 | ericsmythe | An I guess an xterm and stuff like vim, screen and mutt would be easily available? |
| 23:20.14 | Psi | it will be possible to talk to any BT device from the neo, the trick will be that you may have to write the driver yourself |
| 23:22.04 | kinema | Apple must have purchased the rights to the FTIR (frustrated total internal reflection) tech used for multi touch *sensing* (as apposed to any such patents on multitouch UIs) |
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| 23:31.01 | robtaylor | kinema: aye |
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| 23:35.22 | aevin | OMG, BLEUETOOOHT!!!1111 \o/ |
| 23:35.26 | aevin | :) |
| 23:35.31 | aevin | neat. |
| 23:36.31 | kinema | as long as I can play a current fist person shooter with frame rates of 120/sec+ I'll be satisifed. |
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| 23:41.22 | aevin | could have been fun applications for a smartphone with accellerometers (or whatever they're called) in it-- in this wiimote days, i mean. |
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