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| 00:45.09 | mjr | hm, cyberpower has a battery-powered usb hub for $13.30, batteries included |
| 00:45.18 | mjr | probably not the charger though, but still rather reasonable |
| 00:47.09 | mjr | for us wanting to hook stuff up when necessary |
| 00:49.39 | yacc | mjr: *whine* We cannot even preorder the toys yet. |
| 00:50.14 | mjr | yes well there's that but soon, muhahaha, soooon |
| 00:50.41 | yacc | define soon ;) |
| 00:50.57 | mjr | well, this month? :] |
| 00:51.06 | rejon | Yah, apple is going to launch their iPhone, seems like this project needs something before then |
| 00:51.13 | rejon | jan 10 is macword, right |
| 00:51.26 | rejon | ;) |
| 00:51.50 | rejon | i would love to steal the apple thunder |
| 00:55.35 | yacc | rejon: no chance -> the FIC thing is only a thunder for us geeks. |
| 00:55.55 | rejon | not if promoted properly ;) |
| 00:56.20 | rejon | I want to get good content onto these things and get some social networking happening majorly |
| 00:56.25 | rejon | on the phones |
| 00:57.05 | yacc | rejon: Well, the details are not that fascinating. The only fascinating thing is the relative low price for an unsupported (by a network) phone. |
| 00:57.53 | rejon | yeah |
| 00:57.59 | rejon | I wish the phone had EDGE support |
| 00:58.00 | rejon | :( |
| 01:06.30 | mjr | hmh, damn, seems I'll have to do some hunting to get one of them battery hubs shipped to finland |
| 01:08.28 | mjr | 'cause cyberpower-eu.com doesn't point anywhere |
| 01:09.09 | mjr | and those US/Canadian stores are picky about selling here |
| 01:17.50 | mjr | hmh, pcconnections sells the hub overseas but I'd have to call or fax the order in |
| 01:17.56 | mjr | bother |
| 01:18.08 | mjr | well, I'll keep it in mind |
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| 01:49.07 | gw280 | hey all |
| 01:49.35 | gw280 | robtaylor: ah, you're interested/involved in this? |
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| 02:12.50 | edwardocallaghan | Hi |
| 02:12.54 | edwardocallaghan | So is it out? |
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| 02:44.37 | edwardocallaghan | Any one know where its going to be sold ? |
| 02:47.50 | timtimred | noone. |
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| 03:11.32 | robtaylor | gw280: yeah, just hanging round for now :) |
| 03:12.16 | gw280 | robtaylor: :) |
| 03:12.22 | gw280 | robtaylor: how're you? |
| 03:14.16 | gw280 | robtaylor: btw, they appear to have the GSM hardware working on my phone |
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| 03:28.32 | wilee | hey is there any boy around ? |
| 03:28.39 | wilee | hey is there any body around ? |
| 03:41.06 | wilee | http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html I wish that the next version looks like this |
| 03:41.39 | wilee | this would be the linux geek nirvnah |
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| 05:32.01 | aloril | umm.. ROAD has only client USB mode, much more restricted than FIC Neo1973 Unpowered USB 1.1 client/host |
| 05:33.12 | aloril | with USB host can get everything missing anyway, but can't extent ROAD that way (for example MIDI not possible in ROAD?) |
| 05:38.05 | aloril | I wonder how open ROAD is? (is neo only truly open phone?) |
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| 08:33.49 | greentux | aloril: the only closed at the road is the wlan driver and some qtopia apps... |
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| 09:08.21 | aloril | greentux: which kind of qtopia apps are closed in ROAD? any idea of its price? any page with more info than http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html ? |
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| 09:18.31 | mjr | Well fuck me, found a seller that is willing to ship the battery-powered hub to finland. The only shipping option costs $40. The hub $17. |
| 09:20.36 | aloril | mjr: do you think it could do 2 things at same time: charge neo and act as battery powered usb hub? |
| 09:21.29 | greentux | aloril: I tested a prototype..., dont know more about licensing |
| 09:22.51 | mjr | aloril, I doubt a regular hub would send power to the Neo. A power injector could optionally do that too, especially homemade... |
| 09:23.35 | mjr | generally the homemade instructions for the 770 seem to send power to the host device as well |
| 09:25.40 | aloril | greentux: so you have complete control on where sound from microphone, from/to GSM goes, etc.. (to implement answering machine for example or dictation machine)? (I guess using external bluetooth gps is possible) |
| 09:26.10 | aloril | mjr: ah, 770 has unpowered usb host mode too and is charged by usb (just like neo)? |
| 09:26.58 | mjr | It has unpowered usb host, dunno about the charging, just that an instruction page noted that for some reason it wanted power to its port too for it to work. Dunno for certain, though, just second-hand info. |
| 09:28.03 | greentux | aloril: yes |
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| 09:40.17 | aloril | greentux, mjr: thanks for answers |
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| 12:05.12 | kratos | hi room - just one question...is there already a release date for the fic neo 1763? |
| 12:06.10 | mjr | Yes; January :] |
| 12:07.21 | yacc | mjr: refine_release_date(January 2007)? |
| 12:07.36 | mjr | I dunno, I'm just waiting like everybody else :) |
| 12:07.40 | xorAxAx | 18:14:43 < xorAxAx> of course it means that on 01-31 you will be able to input your preorder |
| 12:08.04 | xorAxAx | dont expect anything different :) |
| 12:08.31 | kratos | :( - ok thanks |
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| 12:27.28 | koen | see topic :) |
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| 13:19.03 | noidd | Look kids! An IPV6 user ! |
| 13:19.39 | xorAxAx | no, an ipv6 user who doesnt have enough resources for an entry in the reverse zone |
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| 13:20.03 | noidd | thats the first ipv6 user i've ever seen |
| 13:20.33 | xorAxAx | yeah, not many kindergartens have migrated to ipv6 yet |
| 13:21.39 | hrw|work | I remember reporting bugs for opie-irc about wrong ipv6 support |
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| 13:42.58 | aloril | is there any phone with VGA or higher resolution except neo? (only nokia 770 has more resolution, but that is not phone (no GSM)) |
| 13:43.08 | hrw|work | htc universal |
| 13:43.08 | aloril | (looked only at nokia phones) |
| 13:45.17 | viq | xorAxAx: "or didn't bother yet" |
| 13:46.23 | xorAxAx | viq: hi FQD-nameless viq :) |
| 13:47.18 | viq | :P |
| 13:47.46 | viq | Usually it resolves to (something long).xs26.net, as I really didn't bother with setting my own dns yet ;) |
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| 13:58.23 | aloril | does any phone offer USB host mode (except neo)? |
| 14:01.34 | hrw|work | htc universal? |
| 14:12.37 | aloril | dunno, wiki page talks about client connector but .. anyway, htc universal is not open so its non starter in any case ;-) |
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| 14:24.45 | aloril | hmm.. sounds like by default its not enabled, but linux version supports it so hardware does support it for htc universal ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-286845.html http://www.pdagold.com/articles/detail.asp?a=257 ) |
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| 14:49.20 | aloril | usually most annoying missing feature in many gadgets is missing source code, I'm really happy to see this being fixed for mobile phones |
| 14:49.47 | viq | "except some of the modules" |
| 14:50.41 | aloril | true, but even better would be to go software radio route than have source to those modules ;-) |
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| 14:54.50 | aloril | greentux: does ROAD have X11? or only qtopia? |
| 14:55.04 | greentux | aloril: qtopia |
| 14:57.42 | aloril | ouch, so neo is really the only game in town then for me |
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| 14:59.01 | xorAxAx | koen: no, the topic doesnt help much |
| 15:08.25 | Stephmw | aloril: alas, you wouldn't be able to hook up a software radio to GSM |
| 15:11.11 | amarsh04 | TDMA is a bit more complex than FM stereo |
| 15:13.05 | Stephmw | there's also the likelihood of lawsuits if you're not using an approved (and locked down) radio stack on mobile networks - the FCC has teeth |
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| 15:16.15 | amarsh04 | as with a dial-up modem, putting out an illegally strong signal could be outside of end user developed software control whilst still allowing most functionality to be within end-user developed software control |
| 15:17.29 | Stephmw | amarsh04: that'd get the operators royally pissed off too - cell selection is under their control too |
| 15:18.10 | Stephmw | amarsh04: base stations have limited numbers of slots - so it needs to be managed |
| 15:18.17 | amarsh04 | I don't like the fact that local roaming between carriers (except for emergency calls) does not happen in .au |
| 15:18.39 | Stephmw | amarsh04: slot numbers and bandwidth allocation depends on hardware, local RF licenses, other operator allocations, etc |
| 15:21.35 | amarsh04 | .au had sms overload around midnight new year's day... my handset required manual resend attempts |
| 15:29.19 | Stephmw | that's the case pretty much everywhere ;-) |
| 15:29.20 | Stephmw | same in the UK |
| 15:29.30 | xorAxAx | and in .de |
| 15:29.55 | xorAxAx | sms text messages are stupid anyway |
| 15:30.05 | xorAxAx | 1000 EUR per MB or something like that |
| 15:33.16 | orion__ | aloril, whats ROAD |
| 15:33.53 | aloril | http://www.road-gmbh.de/en/produkte/index_02.html |
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| 15:55.39 | aloril | I think OpenMoKo is a bit competitor to OLPC |
| 15:56.04 | hrw|work | aloril: I do not think so |
| 15:58.02 | aloril | not much yet, but in further future it might be more |
| 15:58.31 | mjr | not seeing it really |
| 16:01.25 | aloril | well I see it this way: mobile phone penetration will increase reasonably fast |
| 16:01.30 | buz | does road finally ship their thing? |
| 16:01.43 | buz | hardware wise, it seems a sweet proposition |
| 16:01.59 | buz | tho reported price is far beyond anything i'd consider |
| 16:04.56 | aloril | ie.. I consider it likely that people in developing countries will get mobile phone before 'normal PC/laptop' |
| 16:05.10 | aloril | but they might get OLPC even before that |
| 16:06.48 | timtimred | a phone wont help a child use useful real life skills though as much. |
| 16:07.01 | timtimred | erm, learn |
| 16:07.04 | timtimred | i mean |
| 16:07.07 | timtimred | imho :) |
| 16:08.48 | buz | phones are vastly cheaper than the olpc |
| 16:09.01 | buz | there are phones that are sold at 40USD while people making profit these days |
| 16:09.05 | buz | (see motofone) |
| 16:09.12 | aloril | open phone might help much more than closed phone ;-) |
| 16:09.26 | buz | supposedly motofone runs linux |
| 16:09.38 | buz | but i doubt you can use it for much more than calling and sms |
| 16:09.56 | aloril | or 35 EUR in Finland for cheapest Nokia as new (and yeah, I think its basically just phone) |
| 16:09.56 | buz | even with hacked firmware |
| 16:11.17 | timtimred | i need a new gadget. |
| 16:11.46 | timtimred | should wait to see what macworld expo has to offer :) |
| 16:12.17 | timtimred | although ive been looking at that n770 |
| 16:12.54 | timtimred | and roombas! |
| 16:21.05 | buz | you could somehow integrate the neo and a roomba |
| 16:21.12 | buz | just think of it, GPS enabled vacuum cleaner |
| 16:21.42 | mjr | you can |
| 16:22.32 | mjr | the roomba can be controlled via a serial interface |
| 16:23.34 | mjr | you'd just need a usb serial dongle (and power for it) |
| 16:24.57 | mjr | We have Roomba programming as a part of our AI course here |
| 16:25.06 | buz | if the neo gets bluetooth, i think there are bluetooth to serial dongles |
| 16:25.46 | mjr | they use a bluetooth dongle for remote control from a nearby linux box |
| 16:26.13 | mjr | yes, as I said :) |
| 16:26.23 | hrw|work | buz: they are. but are expensive |
| 16:27.24 | timtimred | buz: i have an old gsm module sitting around i could fit to one :) |
| 16:27.40 | mjr | less than a Roomba ;) |
| 16:27.44 | timtimred | hmm, and a serial webcam. and an old gumstix. |
| 16:27.58 | timtimred | webcam? cam |
| 16:28.37 | buz | spying roomba lol |
| 16:29.02 | buz | use the wet cleaning roomba like thing and have it roam girls' showers |
| 16:29.24 | timtimred | heh |
| 16:29.38 | buz | possibly attach some fur to it |
| 16:29.42 | buz | for cutesy factor |
| 16:30.17 | buz | the wet cleaning one would actually be a neat thing here |
| 16:30.23 | buz | save for the cables running through the flat |
| 16:30.32 | Kero | wet fur? nah :) |
| 16:31.07 | buz | "poor thing, you must be freezing" *hugsroomba* |
| 16:31.19 | mjr | haven't tried programming it though |
| 16:31.38 | buz | i fear it would hopelessly get lost here |
| 16:32.04 | mjr | a cable just wouldn't work and the roomba-compatible bt dongle _is_ a bit much (what was it, like $100 or something) |
| 16:35.15 | buz | what can not work with a serial cable? |
| 16:35.15 | buz | doesnt really get any simpler than that |
| 16:38.25 | mjr | I mean that one'd need a really long cable and it'd get all tangled up with the Roomba going around |
| 16:38.40 | mjr | it would function, but not work ;) |
| 16:40.21 | buz | ah right |
| 16:40.34 | buz | the controller would have lay on top of the roomba maybe |
| 16:41.10 | buz | with a gumstix that might work |
| 16:41.35 | mjr | that's an option (hence the neo+usb-rs232-dongle+roomba thingy would work ;) |
| 16:41.58 | timtimred | bluetooth gumstix + wii remote? |
| 16:42.11 | mjr | here they even built small cradles on the roombas to house camera phones, so that the Roomba could gain vision |
| 16:42.46 | buz | for vision you'd definitely need more cpu than a phone could provide |
| 16:43.10 | mjr | (or well, it's not really Roomba anymore, just a system that spinal taps into the Roomba's body and takes over ;) |
| 16:43.35 | mjr | yeah, the pictures were transmitted over wlan to the controlling computers (did I mention the system is kludgy? :) |
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| 16:45.59 | buz | sounds like it would be |
| 16:46.24 | mjr | yeah, but some students did manage to go through an obstacle course with it rather impressively |
| 16:46.28 | mjr | some were... less so |
| 16:47.28 | mjr | hmm, we should have the Roomba Race videos somewhere, though I'm not sure if they're public |
| 16:47.44 | mjr | (I narrate the races with some rambling and a mention of the Neo1973 ;) |
| 16:58.23 | timtimred | hmm, ive seen various different coloured mockups of the phone, i wonder what it will look like |
| 16:58.32 | timtimred | or if there will be a choice! |
| 16:58.50 | so_solid_moo | it will come with a while case and a set of crayons |
| 16:59.02 | so_solid_moo | s/while/white/ ... |
| 16:59.23 | Kero | screen all around the phone, optimus-kbd style? |
| 16:59.52 | timtimred | the black/silver one looks better then the white ones i think. |
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| 17:52.21 | chihchun | is the device shipping ? :P |
| 17:52.36 | chihchun | well, it seems not. |
| 17:52.57 | mjr | nope, not quite yet |
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| 22:26.27 | LaF0rge | hi mickey |
| 22:26.37 | mickey|bitbake | hey LaF0rge |
| 22:26.43 | mickey|bitbake | you are crazy |
| 22:26.45 | mickey|bitbake | :) |
| 22:27.34 | LaF0rge | mickey: well, you gotta know your stuff ;) |
| 22:28.00 | LaF0rge | it's like one huge jigsaw puzzle to sort out |
| 22:28.17 | mickey|bitbake | hehe |
| 22:28.34 | mickey|bitbake | some guys know how to make us burn a week of workload ;) |
| 22:32.00 | LaF0rge | stop bowing, I don't even have a high school certificate ;) |
| 22:32.30 | mickey|bitbake | heh. you are one those guys who makes me reconsider what certificates are worth anyway |
| 22:33.23 | mickey|bitbake | LaF0rge: what was your cool kitchen wlan radio called again? |
| 22:33.30 | LaF0rge | mickey: allnet allsound |
| 22:33.33 | mickey|bitbake | ah right, thanks |
| 22:34.00 | LaF0rge | mickey: now I need to find a quick source for small quantites of smd resistors in 0402 size, which seems sort of difficult |
| 22:34.17 | mickey|bitbake | smd resistors... /me shudders |
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| 22:38.54 | mickey|bitbake | LaF0rge: do you have an URL handy to that indien pop station we were listening to ? |
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| 22:43.42 | LaF0rge | mickey: www.radioteentaal.com |
| 22:43.49 | mickey|bitbake | thanks |
| 22:52.06 | xorAxAx | teen? |
| 22:52.12 | xorAxAx | is it allowed in germany? |
| 22:53.22 | mickey|bitbake | heh |
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| 23:00.46 | LaF0rge | xorAxAx: my guess is yes, since ther is little commercial interest in that music anyway. I doubt there woudl be any legal way how you could obtain most of that stuff. So nobody makes losses if you can't actually buy it |
| 23:01.09 | xorAxAx | sure :) |
| 23:22.41 | esden | humm ... very nice radio |