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| 00:04.07 | WillySilly | thanks stefan_schmidt and rwhitby |
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| 01:00.56 | WillySilly | stefan_schmidt: Everything for app development to be released when the phone is? |
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| 09:38.53 | CoreDump|home | A somewhat fitting UF for today =) http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06dec/uf009803.gif |
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| 10:40.30 | buz | now why isnt there a greenish phone somewhere in that carton |
| 10:47.27 | buz | http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news11645 hardware looks quite nice |
| 10:47.39 | buz | and maybe motorola will actually release a somewhat working source? |
| 10:48.36 | koen | heh |
| 10:48.50 | koen | I had a chat about moto's software with a mvista dude yesterday |
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| 12:19.14 | buz | moto somehow doesnt want to add wifi to their linux phones either |
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| 15:21.08 | Virtuall | hello... does anyone know when and how can I get that FIC smartphone? :) or is this offtopic |
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| 15:55.25 | buz_ | january |
| 15:55.28 | buz_ | directly from fic |
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| 17:26.38 | mickeyl | morning |
| 17:27.01 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickeyl -> OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | Hardware ETA: January 2007 |
| 17:27.57 | cephdon | good move. |
| 17:29.55 | cephdon | so, openmoko is based on OE? and OE will compile and run for the Zaurus 5500.. right? so I can get a build and put it on my zaurus and code on that until the hardware is released..? Thats another common question but I don't know the answer to it.. (i.e. SDK) |
| 17:31.24 | mickeyl | OE will be used to build OpenMoko, yes. |
| 17:31.40 | mickeyl | However neither the additional OE .bb files nor the OpenMoko application framework has been released yet |
| 17:32.37 | cephdon | right. Someone (I dont remember who) suggested that building GTK+ applications would port fine..though they might not conform to the application framework.. |
| 17:33.12 | cephdon | is that right? |
| 17:33.14 | mickeyl | exactly that. they will run, but won't fit into the common look & feel |
| 17:33.20 | cephdon | ok |
| 17:33.31 | mickeyl | the common look & feel is in the mid-run the thing what counts for the OpenMoko guys. |
| 17:33.39 | mickeyl | you see, the Linux software world is great |
| 17:33.42 | mickeyl | so many things to choose from |
| 17:33.47 | mickeyl | but it's not integrated. it's all pieces |
| 17:33.51 | cephdon | hehe |
| 17:33.58 | mickeyl | and so they try to bring some structure in |
| 17:34.03 | mickeyl | concentrating on less features |
| 17:34.06 | mickeyl | but more usability |
| 17:34.11 | mickeyl | etc. etc. |
| 17:34.35 | xorAxAx | hmm, "Hardware ETA: January 2007" sounds like they wont ship any software |
| 17:34.49 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickeyl -> OpenMoko Developer Lounge | http://www.openmoko.com | http://lists.openmoko.org | ETA: January 2007 |
| 17:34.54 | mickeyl | point taken |
| 17:37.04 | cephdon | mickeyl: So, in general... how do you feel things are coming along at this point... wrt community, enthusiasm(sp?) etc.. not hardware/software... |
| 17:38.15 | cephdon | i mean.. there are a number of things like wiki which are not available yet but it seems like people are chomping at the bit. |
| 17:38.28 | xorAxAx | wiki? |
| 17:39.05 | cephdon | wiki, or whatever method used to allow people to share ideas and files or tips.. etc. |
| 17:39.06 | mickeyl | cephdon: all in all i'm really satisfied with how community involvement works out. |
| 17:39.19 | mickeyl | of course, all would like to have hardware and software _now_ |
| 17:39.22 | mickeyl | (me too, btw.) |
| 17:39.26 | cephdon | hehe |
| 17:39.53 | timtimred | heh, or perhaps be able to preorder |
| 17:40.02 | mickeyl | but cool ideas are coming up and i think we just seen the icing on the cake |
| 17:40.28 | mickeyl | the fat things are still to come :) |
| 17:40.30 | xorAxAx | mickeyl: you havent got an alpha series device yet? |
| 17:40.49 | cephdon | obviously I don't know about everyone... but this project came at the perfect moment, right before I purchased the more expensive hardware to build my own linux phone.. to I am totally stoked. |
| 17:41.00 | xorAxAx | then its a bit unrealistic to expect a working solution in 60 days |
| 17:41.30 | cephdon | s/to/so/; |
| 17:41.58 | mickeyl | xorAxAx: can't comment on that other than my personal schedule would have been different... |
| 17:42.13 | mickeyl | xorAxAx: but it's always marketing making announcements and then slipping schedules, so who knows... |
| 17:42.23 | xorAxAx | just look at olpc |
| 17:42.33 | xorAxAx | they just shipped B1 |
| 17:42.42 | xorAxAx | 3 months ago, they published A |
| 17:42.48 | xorAxAx | (just a mainboard) |
| 17:43.01 | mickeyl | yeah. nokia had to postpone the 770 more than a year in total |
| 17:43.04 | mickeyl | iirc |
| 17:44.05 | cephdon | is this phone hardware *that* much different than others before it? |
| 17:44.16 | mickeyl | afaik for FIC it's a new design |
| 17:44.24 | mickeyl | it's their first smart phone |
| 17:44.29 | mickeyl | they only did feature phones before |
| 17:44.32 | mickeyl | AFAIK |
| 17:44.35 | xorAxAx | january seems completly undoable if the devs dont have any devices yet |
| 17:44.46 | xorAxAx | i mean, the core devs |
| 17:44.51 | cephdon | not even a reference platform... |
| 17:44.56 | mickeyl | i'm not saying i don't have a device |
| 17:45.03 | cephdon | lol |
| 17:45.07 | xorAxAx | but? :) |
| 17:45.19 | cephdon | its not "the" device |
| 17:45.24 | mickeyl | some things don't work :D |
| 17:45.38 | cephdon | and you are not talking software issues.....? |
| 17:45.42 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:45.43 | xorAxAx | oh, i have a device a well, look at this old sony handheld %-) |
| 17:46.00 | mickeyl | since the device is open, it's just a question when the least amount of software and hardware works to ship it. |
| 17:46.17 | xorAxAx | i dont see how openess matters here |
| 17:46.23 | xorAxAx | look how microsoft sold windows 95 |
| 17:46.33 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:46.46 | koen | mickeyl: how will FIC handle certification in the countries around the world? |
| 17:46.51 | mickeyl | if I sell a closed device, i don't sell it with beta software |
| 17:47.03 | mickeyl | if it's open, i might do that |
| 17:47.04 | xorAxAx | mickeyl: you could push updates as well |
| 17:47.10 | cephdon | lol would you rather a device that worked 95% of the time but had software bugs... or one that was solid but was a little late? |
| 17:47.12 | mickeyl | koen: no idea |
| 17:47.13 | xorAxAx | thats happening e.g. for this holy damn 1&1 device |
| 17:49.16 | cephdon | mickeyl: on the software side, you guys have the specs for the framework but its just not done yet... |
| 17:49.19 | cephdon | ? |
| 17:53.27 | mickeyl | cephdon: yes. i'm working on implementing the v0.1 of the framework to give the community the ability to efficiently write new applications for the framework. the further development of the framework will be application-programmer driven and done in cooperation. |
| 17:53.59 | koen | To optimize ROI and increase ARPU |
| 17:54.33 | mickeyl | there comes the marketing blurb again ;) |
| 17:54.58 | cephdon | lol |
| 17:54.58 | koen | hey, I had dinner with a mvista dudes, I guess it rubs off ;) |
| 17:55.04 | koen | s/dudes/dude/ |
| 17:55.13 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:55.15 | mickeyl | no kidding |
| 17:55.25 | mickeyl | what did he say about MOTO software quality? |
| 17:55.38 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Be carefull. I don't like see you hired by mvista. ;) |
| 17:55.41 | noidd | hmm, law and order marathon. Great way to spend the day. |
| 17:55.52 | koen | moto choose "mvista professional" instead of "mvista mobile" |
| 17:55.56 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: What a question. It sucks. :) |
| 17:55.59 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:56.05 | koen | the professional doesn't have powermanangement and all |
| 17:56.06 | mickeyl | koen: where's the difference? |
| 17:57.05 | stefan_schmidt | really strange ipc designs. sigh. |
| 17:57.44 | WillySilly | Hi all |
| 17:57.53 | stefan_schmidt | hi WillySilly |
| 17:58.28 | mickeyl | koen: d'oh. so that's why they did it themselves |
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| 18:01.53 | buz_ | i would like to get my fingers on a MOTOFONE |
| 18:02.00 | buz_ | 50$ with 400h standby is neat |
| 18:02.12 | buz_ | but i guess the thing will have a gruesome UI as per usual |
| 18:02.33 | buz_ | on my GF's mp3 phone moto went as far as implementing the mp3 player in fucking java |
| 18:03.07 | cephdon | what verstion of Java is fucking java.. never heard of that one before... /grin |
| 18:03.08 | koen | buz_: the new moto's running linux will have the complete gui written in java |
| 18:03.12 | mickeyl | bbl, got guests |
| 18:03.19 | buz_ | well i dont hate java per se |
| 18:03.29 | buz_ | i just dont think it's very wise to run something that crunches stuff in it |
| 18:03.42 | buz_ | or maybe the mp3 codec is in c who knows |
| 18:04.32 | buz_ | well if the whole gui is in java onecould at least theoretically rip the stuff out |
| 18:04.38 | buz_ | and replace with something more sane |
| 18:05.25 | cephdon | maybe.....the sidekick and sidekick2 +3 are all java... cant do anything about it. |
| 18:05.57 | cephdon | though I would personally love to port a linux to mine ... /shrug might be useless but interesting. |
| 18:06.16 | cephdon | at least I have not heard anyone do it. |
| 18:06.22 | buz_ | mhh sidekick weirdly arent sold in europe |
| 18:06.33 | buz_ | then again the hardware looks lousy |
| 18:06.50 | cephdon | its no openmoko..... |
| 18:07.00 | buz_ | huge and bad specs |
| 18:07.01 | cephdon | but it serves its core function perfectly fine... |
| 18:07.11 | xorAxAx | buz_: they were sold in .de |
| 18:07.27 | buz_ | i guess nobody wanted them |
| 18:07.44 | buz_ | just like that stupid ogo swisscom is still pushing |
| 18:08.43 | buz_ | in some ways, java is probably most successful on mobilephones |
| 18:08.56 | buz_ | it managed to do what it never could on desktops |
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