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| 01:22.44 | lennert | hello everyone.. up late, are we? |
| 01:25.27 | bullet | not that late |
| 01:25.52 | lennert | not yet! |
| 01:26.45 | bullet | too late for him! |
| 01:26.50 | lennert | yeah ;) |
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| 03:16.00 | lennert | it's very quiet here now |
| 03:16.05 | lennert | why are you hugging me? :) |
| 03:16.24 | lennert | 4:15am and only the sound of my crunching brain |
| 03:16.25 | [g2] | seemed like you needed a hug |
| 03:16.32 | [g2] | :) |
| 03:16.33 | lennert | hehe |
| 03:16.41 | lennert | or did _you_ need one? :) |
| 03:16.59 | [g2] | maybe I needed one and just _stole_ it |
| 03:17.12 | lennert | yeah |
| 03:17.16 | lennert | you _pirated_ it |
| 03:17.25 | [g2] | so did you get a little "caving time" ? |
| 03:17.26 | [g2] | heh |
| 03:17.31 | lennert | i.e. you took it away from me and now i no longer have it! |
| 03:17.40 | [g2] | heh |
| 03:17.45 | lennert | since 11pm or so i've been studying |
| 03:17.52 | lennert | after celebrating russian orthodox christmas |
| 03:17.58 | [g2] | I need to pirate your JTAG cable :) |
| 03:18.01 | lennert | and gulping a few bottles of wine |
| 03:18.20 | lennert | however, i got sober again rather quickly, which is kind of disappointing |
| 03:18.36 | lennert | [g2]: i have the digilent parallel cable? |
| 03:18.36 | [g2] | ahh... young livers |
| 03:18.46 | [g2] | I've got a couple |
| 03:18.53 | lennert | a few more days and there'll be russian orthodox new year.. now that's fun |
| 03:18.56 | [g2] | and flying leads to go with them |
| 03:19.05 | [g2] | happy new year |
| 03:19.12 | [g2] | orthodox new year :) |
| 03:19.19 | lennert | i don't have flying leads yet |
| 03:19.27 | lennert | i'd need a jtag connector - flying leads cable |
| 03:19.38 | lennert | i guess i can just cut one open :-/ |
| 03:19.46 | lennert | or get the digilent one |
| 03:19.51 | lennert | and pay triple the amount in shipping.. heh |
| 03:19.52 | [g2] | digilent inc sells leads for their 6 pin connectors |
| 03:20.15 | [g2] | the sell 2 pin connectors too |
| 03:21.18 | lennert | i just need to work on my s0ldering sk1lls |
| 03:21.59 | lennert | when i get back home i'm getting a DMM |
| 03:22.12 | lennert | then.. an iron, probably |
| 03:22.58 | lennert | (a soldering iron, not a regular iron :) |
| 03:23.28 | [g2] | yeah my better half calls that the welding iron :) |
| 03:23.36 | lennert | uhm |
| 03:23.47 | lennert | the welding iron.. okay then :) |
| 03:23.55 | [g2] | are you "welding again?" |
| 03:24.18 | [g2] | no honey, i need a torch for that :) |
| 03:24.47 | lennert | hehe |
| 03:24.49 | lennert | some people :) |
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| 03:27.39 | lennert | beewoolie-afk! |
| 03:27.43 | [g2] | wb |
| 03:27.48 | lennert | you're never near your keyboard, are you? |
| 03:28.05 | lennert | actually, i was lying, it was 05:15 here |
| 03:28.06 | beewoolie-afk | lennert: yo man |
| 03:28.16 | lennert | 04:15 is what my irc client says, which is in a different time zone |
| 03:28.30 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: d00d! |
| 03:28.32 | [g2] | beewoolie is near the DMM and soldering iron |
| 03:28.42 | lennert | lucky him |
| 03:28.56 | beewoolie-ntk | [g2]: Hey. Looks like the jtag dongle that ka6s0x sent me was broken. I had to replace one of the resistors. |
| 03:29.25 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: a 179 it will be for me |
| 03:29.38 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: thou hath convinced me |
| 03:29.47 | [g2] | beewoolie-ntk yeah I read the log |
| 03:30.02 | [g2] | did you get the PIN 15 sorted out ? |
| 03:30.06 | beewoolie-ntk | Soon, I'll be writing flash. |
| 03:30.20 | beewoolie-ntk | [g2]: I think that it isn't solvable with the laptop's parallel port. |
| 03:30.34 | beewoolie-ntk | I could solder another pull-down resistor, but that would be going too far. |
| 03:30.46 | [g2] | ah... moved to a desktop port ? |
| 03:31.04 | beewoolie-ntk | No. The only desktop machine I can use is too inconvenient |
| 03:31.10 | lennert | fyi, my laptop handles the digilent jtag cable fine |
| 03:31.19 | beewoolie-ntk | I'll be moving to USB when I get the board assembled. |
| 03:31.24 | lennert | (dell inspiron 8500) |
| 03:31.33 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: I don't have a diligent...or do I? |
| 03:31.42 | beewoolie-ntk | [g2]: Is the cable you sent me a diligent? |
| 03:31.42 | lennert | dunno |
| 03:31.54 | beewoolie-ntk | The spec is that there are pull-ups. |
| 03:31.57 | [g2] | beewoolie-ntk yes I sent you the digilent cable |
| 03:32.01 | beewoolie-ntk | Spec according to IEEE on jtag |
| 03:32.12 | lennert | mine says 'Digilent' on the parallel connector end of it |
| 03:32.18 | beewoolie-ntk | OK. This cable works, it's just that I cannot detect Vcc. |
| 03:32.31 | beewoolie-ntk | BTW, the openwince jtag software doesn't look at that kind of stuff. |
| 03:33.11 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: In other words, I can use the diligent or this xilinx cable just fine. Some of the features aren't available, but no one cares but me. |
| 03:33.11 | [g2] | right but openwince isn't detecting the chip |
| 03:33.21 | beewoolie-ntk | [g2]: What chip? |
| 03:33.27 | [g2] | IXP425 |
| 03:33.30 | beewoolie-ntk | It is working now that I fixed the resistor. |
| 03:33.41 | beewoolie-ntk | Oh. I haven't plugged into the slug. |
| 03:33.52 | beewoolie-ntk | My plan is to make it possible to really understand what is going on. |
| 03:33.54 | [g2] | it'll probably work |
| 03:34.03 | beewoolie-ntk | Openwince doesn't give much info on what it is doing |
| 03:34.09 | [g2] | beewoolie-ntk good plan ! |
| 03:34.24 | beewoolie-ntk | I think that I can make something easier to use in the short term. |
| 03:34.29 | beewoolie-ntk | Just flash programming to start with. |
| 03:35.48 | beewoolie-ntk | So, are you saying that you cannot get the diligent to work with the loft? |
| 03:36.53 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: i don't think my cable tries to detect vcc |
| 03:37.20 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: the times i used openwince i wanted to rewrite it.. |
| 03:38.01 | [g2] | beewoolie-ntk yes, but I haven't tried very hard yet |
| 03:38.24 | [g2] | I've got a working Gateworks cable and sw |
| 03:38.35 | [g2] | so I can reflash redboot with that |
| 03:38.42 | [g2] | and I have |
| 03:39.06 | [g2] | I've actually got the cable apart right now and I'm looking at it |
| 03:39.16 | [g2] | I could just write sw to the cable |
| 03:39.24 | [g2] | meaning the cables pins |
| 03:41.09 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: http://direct.xilinx.com/bvdocs/userguides/ug130.pdf |
| 03:41.16 | lennert | beewoolie-ntk: your cable is the one on page 62 |
| 03:41.21 | [g2] | is the pin numbering on a 25 pin cable 1-13 14-25 ? |
| 03:41.52 | [g2] | or 1 3 5 7 9 ... 25 on the top and 2 4 6 8 ... 24 on the bottom ? |
| 03:42.29 | lennert | note how the digilent cable doesn't have parallel resistors on the caps |
| 03:42.54 | lennert | it does have the 100pFs on the outputs |
| 03:43.44 | lennert | [g2]: http://www.geocities.com/nozomsite/parallel.htm |
| 03:45.07 | beewoolie-ntk | [g2]: The pins are numbered on the DB25 if you look closely beside the pins. |
| 03:45.36 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: It's loading |
| 03:46.32 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: which page has the schematic you're looking at? |
| 03:46.37 | lennert | p62 |
| 03:47.15 | [g2] | lennert thx |
| 03:47.28 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: That's a lot like the wiggler |
| 03:47.38 | [g2] | FWIW there are resisters coming from the TARGET JTAG pins |
| 03:48.09 | lennert | buffers |
| 03:48.14 | lennert | oh |
| 03:48.21 | lennert | i thought you wrote reGisters |
| 03:48.38 | lennert | that's probably to deal with accidental reversal of drive direction |
| 03:48.44 | lennert | i.e. treating an input as output |
| 03:48.47 | lennert | not to blow stuff up |
| 03:49.12 | beewoolie-ntk | lennert: Not clear why the dlc5 has resistors on the inputs, on the parallel side. |
| 03:49.15 | [g2] | there are little chips further down the line |
| 03:49.56 | lennert | dlc5? |
| 03:50.04 | beewoolie-afk | lennert: that's the cable that I have. |
| 03:50.20 | beewoolie-afk | I'll be up and back. Got to make dinner for dollface. |
| 03:50.22 | [g2] | z17B ? |
| 03:50.26 | lennert | what dlc5 do you mean? |
| 03:50.28 | lennert | okay |
| 03:52.16 | lennert | 06:00 AM here.. time to go flat |
| 03:52.39 | [g2] | sweet power sleep :) |
| 03:53.02 | beewoolie-afk | lennert: nitey nite. |
| 03:53.06 | lennert | beewoolie-afk: g'nite |
| 03:53.12 | beewoolie-afk | lennert: The cable I have is the xilinx cabl III |
| 03:53.17 | beewoolie-afk | AKA DLC5. |
| 03:54.04 | [g2] | hey did you see google is going to be providing Video for sale ? |
| 03:54.23 | beewoolie-afk | [g2]: I read that, but I haven't followed the story. |
| 03:54.26 | beewoolie-afk | What sort of video? |
| 03:54.41 | [g2] | CBS NBA etc... |
| 03:55.27 | [g2] | Hmmmm maybe I'll start buying all my video can kill the cable |
| 03:55.46 | [g2] | except I _NEED_ that for the cable modem :) |
| 03:59.26 | beewoolie-afk | And your cable speed is awesome. |
| 03:59.45 | beewoolie-afk | What does it cost for cable modem broadband without also buying cable TV service? |
| 04:00.39 | [g2] | like an extra 20 bucks : |
| 04:00.55 | [g2] | the cable actually is pretty awesome |
| 04:01.08 | beewoolie-afk | So, then how much would it be for your speed? |
| 04:01.32 | [g2] | I think 65 versus 45 |
| 04:01.39 | beewoolie-afk | Hmm. |
| 04:01.54 | beewoolie-afk | But that has no IP addresses, right? You cannot run a server. |
| 04:02.04 | [g2] | but I pull 5Mbs |
| 04:02.13 | [g2] | and burst near 10 |
| 04:02.14 | beewoolie-afk | Yeah, but servers! The servers! |
| 04:02.23 | [g2] | dude I've got a T1 |
| 04:02.42 | [g2] | that's the server ticket but it's expensive |
| 04:02.49 | beewoolie-afk | Download, but not upload. Or am I wrong? |
| 04:03.20 | [g2] | The T1 is 1.5 down/up |
| 04:03.34 | [g2] | The cable modem is 5-6Mbs down and 378K up |
| 04:37.29 | beewoolie-afk | Ah. How much does the T1 cost, eh? |
| 04:46.07 | [g2] | _way_ too much :( |
| 04:54.16 | ByronT | last time I priced a T-1, it was somewhere around $600 / month running 100% data |
| 04:56.46 | beewoolie-afk | ByronT: Wow. That's a lot, I got two T1's in Seattle for about $300 each, per month. |
| 04:57.05 | ByronT | who's the data service through? |
| 04:57.21 | ByronT | BellSouth charges an arm and a leg - and naming rights on first born |
| 05:39.08 | bee-chow | ByronT: There's a local provider that is giving me point-to-point server. They're called Blarg. I like them because they're professional. They know how to run an ISP. I've never had downtime. I mean never. I've had them for three or four years. Even speakeasy has had downtime. |
| 05:41.42 | ByronT | your choices here are limited to BellSouth and whomever is re-selling BellSouth services |
| 05:42.36 | ByronT | fortunately, BellSouth is not too bad - 6MB DSL is being rolled out - I've been promised end of April worse case |
| 05:52.39 | bee-chow | ByronT: We've got that,too, but I haven't signed up since it doesn't increase the upload speed and that's what I care most about. |
| 05:52.54 | bee-chow | Nice chatting... |
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| 10:51.01 | lennert | my current adsl speed is maxed out, 8mb down and 1mb up |
| 10:51.07 | lennert | so the next step is adsl2 |
| 10:51.15 | lennert | but that's still only 1mb up (while 20mb down) |
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