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| 11:51.03 | Crofton|work | OK I ned to remove a couple of packages from an SDK, anyone know how? |
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| 12:06.25 | smurray | Crofton|work: probably _remove'ing stuff from TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK or TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK as required, but could be easier to define a base image that leaves out stuff to avoid pulling them in with populate_sdk? |
| 12:06.52 | Crofton|work | might be the answer |
| 12:07.30 | Crofton|work | in this case mosh/mosh-server suck in some perll thing likely without native-sdk |
| 12:14.03 | Crofton|work | seems like it comes in via target-sdk-provides-dummy |
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| 14:02.08 | tlwoerner | "...and partner with independent teams in disparate geographic locations" really means => "all your meetings will be at either 11pm or 4am your time" |
| 14:02.23 | Crofton|work | so true |
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| 14:04.57 | tlwoerner | when i was graduating from uni and was looking for my first jobs, it felt like every job ad required 12+ years of experience for even the simplest roles |
| 14:06.19 | tlwoerner | in fact (around that time) there was quite a lot of hulabaloo when someone posted a job ad looking for 10+ years of java experience when, at that time, java was only (say) 5 years old (i forget the exact numbers) |
| 14:08.21 | tlwoerner | yet here is a job ad looking for a *senior* developer but only asking for 3+ years (?) and that seems to be the trend nowadays. i can't remember the last time i saw a job ad looking for any type of role that required more than 5 years experience |
| 14:10.02 | LetoThe2nd | tlwoerner: because those who acutally are like 10+x years on the business are either so sought after that they don't need to look at job ads anymore, or not worth more than a 3yr guy |
| 14:11.12 | LetoThe2nd | if i was looking for a job, i wouldn't read stupid industry offers, but call a few "friends" and ask if they wanted to hire. |
| 14:11.37 | tlwoerner | LetoThe2nd: yea, that's probably it, they want a senior developer, but they want to pay them like a new-ish grad (this is not meant to be MS-specific) |
| 14:11.48 | LetoThe2nd | its not at all, i know |
| 14:12.13 | tlwoerner | yes, true |
| 14:18.14 | tgamblin | I've known a few people that get the "senior" title conferred on them in the startup/tiny company world because the more senior person leaves, or they're just the first person hired into the role, too |
| 14:18.32 | Crofton|work | the traditional method of title inflation |
| 14:18.53 | Crofton|work | pretty sure I was senior before 30 at something |
| 14:21.22 | rburton | tlwoerner: speaking of which its my 11pm meeting today |
| 14:21.56 | rburton | there are downsides to living 8 hours of time difference away from your management |
| 14:22.12 | rburton | up side is that micromanagement literally can't happen :) |
| 14:24.16 | tlwoerner | tgamblin: i've seen that too, especially with consulting companies, they want to tell their (potential) clients that all their developers are seniors (and are therefore expensed at a senior rate) |
| 14:25.13 | tlwoerner | Crofton|work: i'm pretty sure you were born a crotchety old senior! lol |
| 14:26.12 | tlwoerner | rburton: haha. late start then? ;-) |
| 14:28.02 | JaMa | "either 11pm or 4am your time" or both if you happen to live in the middle TimeZone between 2 offices you work with |
| 14:28.24 | tlwoerner | JaMa: the non-exclusive "or" then? |
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| 14:29.42 | JaMa | with US being -9 and Korea being +8 hours from me, I have relatively quiet period when there is some light outside :) |
| 14:30.22 | JaMa | not that I ever go outside or even let the light through the windows.. |
| 14:32.09 | tlwoerner | if you live far enough north or south, you'll get several months of one or the other regardless of the time |
| 14:32.55 | JaMa | roller shades are great, wife only complains that attaching motor to them in my room wasn't necessary (or she wants to take my remote and expose me to light) |
| 14:33.46 | JaMa | tlwoerner: and then move to the other side for next half year? :) |
| 14:33.47 | tlwoerner | close the shades and throw away the remote |
| 14:34.07 | JaMa | that's what I did :) |
| 14:34.11 | tlwoerner | lol |
| 14:42.53 | rburton | tlwoerner: lazy friday for sure |
| 14:44.32 | rburton | JaMa: oregon is -8 and penang is +8. luckily we've managed to have relatively few meetings. |
| 14:48.47 | tlwoerner | rburton: it's friday already? |
| 14:49.07 | rburton | tlwoerner: its only 3pm here, so lazy tomorrow morning |
| 14:52.56 | Crofton|work | Can you guys quickly look for blunders before we start spamming: |
| 14:52.57 | Crofton|work | https://pretalx.com/oe-workshop-2020/cfp |
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| 15:02.37 | vmeson | Crofton|work: This line seems grammatically odd to me. s/We abide by a high level of conduct. Please review the official Code of Conduct statement./We abide by an official Code of Conduct; please review the code./ |
| 15:03.11 | vmeson | I know that changes the meaning somewhat but that's what I came up with so far. |
| 15:03.42 | Crofton|work | lol, that was reviewed by somone competent :) |
| 15:04.16 | Crofton|work | vmeson, thanks. We can easily edit it, so will do a batch |
| 15:04.27 | Crofton|work | I lready tweaked it a bit just to check |
| 15:04.52 | vmeson | Crofton|work: k. You might move the date/location to the top of the page. |
| 15:05.30 | Crofton|work | Yeah, I ahd that thought looking at it. This is the problem wriing things and knowing too much |
| 15:05.46 | Crofton|work | Also, https://pretalx.com/oe-workshop-2020/ |
| 15:06.26 | Crofton|work | but my primary stress is over the CFP, tie is short, so please people submit and please do it early so I do not stress and have to do all the presentations myself :) |
| 16:35.04 | armpit | Code of conduct... I am out |
| 16:35.59 | LetoThe2nd | armpit: you already triggered me with your yesterday proposal. prepare for a lot of good but not even half-baked ideas! |
| 16:38.04 | armpit | the summit one ? |
| 16:38.20 | LetoThe2nd | yep |
| 16:38.30 | khem | Crofton|work: we should include new users/developers experience with project |
| 16:38.51 | Crofton|work | Ad what as a bullet? |
| 16:38.55 | khem | yes |
| 16:39.09 | Crofton|work | hmm how to word |
| 16:39.25 | khem | invite talks from people who are not seasoned developers but have had recent exposure to it via work or what have you |
| 16:39.58 | khem | It would be good to get some fresh ideas before they deal with the project and get demented :) |
| 16:40.03 | Crofton|work | Yeah |
| 16:40.12 | Crofton|work | and make sure these people are welcomes |
| 16:40.42 | kergoth | good idea |
| 16:41.42 | Crofton|work | * New user and developer's experience reports |
| 16:41.51 | khem | or you could also invite critics, asking for why the project does not make sense |
| 16:43.41 | Crofton|work | hmmm |
| 16:43.43 | khem | Crofton|work: yeah that would be good subheading |
| 16:43.50 | Crofton|work | I'll think about that :) |
| 16:44.02 | Crofton|work | Done |
| 16:44.07 | khem | Crofton|work: as community its always good to introspect |
| 16:44.19 | Crofton|work | Yeah I know |
| 16:44.21 | khem | so we remain grounded |
| 16:44.36 | Crofton|work | just hard to get people to come and tell you that you suck :) |
| 16:45.03 | khem | well, not so hard if you explicitly ask for |
| 16:46.01 | khem | but I think the cfp looks very impressive |
| 16:47.19 | Crofton|work | We (OE board) want to try out pretalx, so costs us money, but lets us spend time on content, not web stuff |
| 16:47.35 | Crofton|work | and I am lookin gfor a long term solution via SPI |
| 16:47.52 | Crofton|work | but right now, just need submissions and solve ticket sales :) |
| 16:48.05 | khem | nod |
| 16:49.41 | Crofton|work | tryign to use as many open source solutions as possible :) |
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| 17:02.07 | Crofton|work | Afterards we will have to review how we did everything |
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| 22:05.31 | tlwoerner | https://www.udemy.com/course/embedded-linux-with-the-raspberry-pi/ |
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