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| 05:06.48 | alexhairyman | night |
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| 06:48.50 | hrw | hi |
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| 08:47.19 | bluelightning | morning all |
| 08:47.48 | florian | good morning |
| 08:49.30 | Qw_freak | 'mornig |
| 08:55.19 | hrw | hi guys |
| 08:55.31 | hrw | | The directory that should contain system headers does not exist: |
| 08:55.31 | hrw | | /home/hrw/HDD/devel/canonical/aarch64/build/tmp-eglibc/sysroots/x86_64-nativesdk-oesdk-linux/usr/include |
| 08:55.41 | hrw | fresh tmpdir, bitbake nativesdk-eglibc |
| 08:56.18 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.02 | hrw | ideas? |
| 08:58.19 | hrw | directories populated from sstate files |
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| 09:36.01 | pb_ | hi bluelightning, florian, all |
| 09:37.00 | bluelightning | hi pb_ |
| 09:37.03 | florian | hey pb_ |
| 09:37.40 | florian | wonders if its easier to make an OE based filesystem for this board instead of using ptxdist |
| 09:44.39 | jackmitchell | I would love to see someone with experience create a pro/con table of all the embedded build systems - they all seem much for much when I take a quick look at others |
| 09:45.20 | florian | I admit that this would be useful for quite some people |
| 09:46.30 | jackmitchell | florian: What are your reasons for using ptxdist, manufacturer supplied, built in board support? |
| 09:47.43 | florian | jackmitchell: The hardware manufacturer ships with a ptxdist based BSP. |
| 09:49.27 | florian | My first impression was good: A manual and a few archives only. But the reality is a little bit frustrating... |
| 09:49.50 | jackmitchell | interesting, is it a monolithic mix of patches and binaries or is it just a matter of porting the kernel? |
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| 09:51.01 | florian | It feels a little bit like the first time using OE but with an inconsistent manual and suffering from outdated package descriptions which seem to be impossible to find in the BSP ;) |
| 09:52.07 | jackmitchell | :/ good luck! |
| 09:52.13 | florian | Its supposed to be a build system for whole filesytems with a kconfig based configuration tool and soem defined toolchains. |
| 09:54.10 | florian | I got a toolchain distribution package and tried to build a toolchain. After several fixes to the build script it started to build... and failed after building 12 toolchains for various architectures. |
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| 09:57.26 | jackmitchell | florian: it sounds like you're in for a fun day! ;) |
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| 09:59.48 | florian | jackmitchell: indeed... luckily the sales guy from the hardware manufacturer failed as well and therefore the customer knows that it is a tough job already |
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| 10:05.43 | bluelightning | jackmitchell: re comparisons, it would have to be done by someone independent; I think many of us OE folks would find it hard to be objective about other build systems |
| 10:06.20 | bluelightning | I do look at some of the slightly newer ones and wonder why they started yet another system instead of getting involved with OE... |
| 10:07.44 | jackmitchell | yes, that tends to be my feeling too - I think people probably don't put enough time into trying others before getting frustrated and deciding they can do it better themselves |
| 10:08.31 | jackmitchell | or maybe from the pengutronix view, they do a lot of kernel/toolchain work so their system is probably made to suit their testing needs. |
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| 10:12.33 | hrw | nano roxx as a target ;) |
| 10:14.06 | hrw | jackmitchell: hard to make such comparison - I used only OE for serious work |
| 10:16.02 | jackmitchell | The only other system I've seen with some serious traction is BuildRoot - whenever I've delved into that it seems to re-invent the wheel alot, it also seems as though it has some mega duplication of package issues |
| 10:16.24 | jackmitchell | from what I could gather, it has packages inside packages |
| 10:16.59 | jackmitchell | so dependancies of programs were packaged inside the program directories - it was all very alien :) |
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| 10:21.33 | silvio | hi all |
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| 10:35.29 | fusman | hi all |
| 10:36.18 | fusman | if an .ipk is built by two recipes, is there a way to pick the non-default one (the one with older package-version) |
| 10:36.38 | fusman | I tried PREFERRED_VERSION/PREFERRED_PROVIDER, but it didn't work |
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| 10:38.35 | pb_ | I don't think there is. In fact, I think the older one will get deleted under those conditions unless it has a different PACKAGE_ARCH. |
| 10:38.44 | pb_ | See the oe-core list, there was some discussion of this fairly recently. |
| 10:40.11 | fusman | pb_ the ipk file names have different version number, so they don't get over-written |
| 10:40.22 | fusman | but the older version of the ipk file end up in morgue |
| 10:41.13 | fusman | that is build/tmp/deploy/ipk/core2/morgue |
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| 10:45.37 | pb_ | oh, are you using oe-legacy? |
| 10:45.54 | pb_ | I don't think oe-core has the morgue anymore. |
| 10:51.36 | fusman | pb_: no, I am using oe-core |
| 10:52.17 | hrw | jackmitchell: iirc OE was created when BuildRoot was not enough for OZ devs |
| 10:53.28 | hrw | jackmitchell: but both changed a lot in last 8-9 years |
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| 11:11.17 | jackmitchell | hrw: ah, interesting, thanks! |
| 11:16.21 | hrw | did someone built meta-toolchain recently? |
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| 11:19.11 | jackmitchell | hrw: I did in the last few days, but it failed when compiling my application with ggc crt* issues |
| 11:19.36 | jackmitchell | so it built, but was unusable for my purpose (still unsure why it won't work) |
| 11:19.53 | jackmitchell | whether it is the toolchain or my application is still to be decided ;) |
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| 11:33.09 | zecke | with oe-core.. how can I not package the the source files in a -dbg package? |
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| 12:31.16 | dv_ | here is the base_contains syntax from the openembedded manual: ${@base_contains(’<array-name>’, ’<value>’, ’<true-result>’, <false-result>’, d)} |
| 12:31.27 | dv_ | it documents everything ,except this mysterious "d" at the end |
| 12:31.32 | dv_ | what is it? why is it necessary? |
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| 12:45.01 | bluelightning | dv_: it's the data dictionary - it's what the function needs to be able to access and expand variable values |
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| 13:00.23 | DiKay | Hi guys |
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| 13:00.59 | DiKay | I get the following error when I try to run bitbake and i can't find how to fix it |
| 13:01.04 | DiKay | ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/kernel |
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| 13:03.25 | bluelightning | DiKay: do you have PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel set in your configuration (usually machine configuration)? |
| 13:03.31 | zecke | pb_: do you still remember update-alternatives? |
| 13:05.30 | DiKay | ho right, indeed |
| 13:05.46 | DiKay | with value "linux-yocto" |
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| 13:22.25 | DiKay | When I set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel="linux", how can I know which bb file associated to "linux" ? |
| 13:33.02 | bluelightning | DiKay: it will be whichever recipe has PN = "linux"; then the version preference logic selects which version if there is more than one |
| 13:33.34 | afournier | PREFERRED_VERSION_linux = "2.6.32.27" |
| 13:33.38 | bluelightning | (PN by default being the part of the file name before the first underscore) |
| 13:33.38 | afournier | could work |
| 13:34.20 | bluelightning | unfortunately that doesn't since "linux" is in OVERRIDES (from TARGET_OS) |
| 13:35.38 | bluelightning | thus that means that statement will apply to all recipes (!) |
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| 13:37.03 | DiKay | I made my own linux-vanilla recipe so I could see what's going on |
| 13:37.52 | DiKay | (bitbake -g is helping me !) |
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| 13:44.03 | DiKay | why have all the linux recipes vanished and there's only linux-yocto now ? |
| 13:44.43 | JaMa | they didn't, they moved to BSPs which still use them |
| 13:44.50 | JaMa | DiKay: and linux.inc is in meta-oe |
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| 13:45.48 | DiKay | yep, seen it |
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| 14:22.39 | pb_ | stabs webkit-clutter |
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| 14:34.35 | JaMa | stabs segfaulting opkg |
| 14:36.39 | stefan_schmidt_w | JaMa: make sure its really dead and not crawling back in behind your back |
| 14:37.06 | stefan_schmidt_w | JaMa: Like putting some concrete on it and putting it into the river |
| 14:38.18 | JaMa | I feer I'll have to patch it and heal it instead :/ |
| 14:40.13 | bluelightning | I did wonder if we should approach the OpenWRT folks and try to come up with a joint effort to maintain opkg since we are seemingly the only remaining users |
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| 14:48.15 | pb_ | yeah, or come up with a joint effort to just burn opkg and invent something else that sucks a bit less. maybe even dpkg+apt is a sensible choice nowadays, I dunno. |
| 14:48.43 | pb_ | it probably is true that the computing landscape has changed a bit in the 10 years since i/opkg was first designed. |
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| 14:50.06 | pb_ | hands pwgen a working internet connection |
| 14:52.41 | bluelightning | there was a murmur on the opkg mailing list a while back from the maintainer about a complete rewrite but there was nothing further about it since |
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| 14:53.23 | bluelightning | pb_: I'm not sure the design has ever been the serious issue, it's the diabolical implementation ;) |
| 14:54.37 | pb_ | yeah, agreed. I don't think the design is inherently broken, though I do wonder whether the world has changed in such a way that the opkg design is no longer necessary and some other package manager could be made to work. |
| 14:55.02 | pb_ | yocto is using rpm, right? presumably that does work for them, and although I would hesitate to recommend it for anyone else I guess it is a possibility. |
| 14:57.50 | bluelightning | pb_: poky uses RPM by default yes |
| 14:58.13 | bluelightning | it has its own issues, naturally... |
| 14:58.30 | bluelightning | I'm not convinced a perfect package manager exists, they all have their problems :/ |
| 14:58.53 | JaMa | heh it looks like opkg should segfault everytime new package has 2 entries in Provides while old version had just 1 |
| 14:59.03 | bluelightning | awesome... |
| 15:00.06 | JaMa | svn blame to see why that if which breaks it was added later for some reason |
| 15:01.16 | xim | bluelightning: Except <insert my favourite package manager here> of course :) |
| 15:01.43 | bluelightning | xim: personally I have no favourite... |
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| 15:04.50 | xim | bluelightning: What, you're not ready to accept <whatever> as your saviour? |
| 15:05.32 | JaMa | http://code.google.com/p/opkg/source/diff?spec=svn277&r=277&format=side&path=/trunk/libopkg/pkg.c is the issue :/ |
| 15:05.36 | bluelightning | xim: unless <whatever> is some package manager that I've never seen/used before, no :) |
| 15:05.38 | xim | I guess people aren't as religious about package managers as editors, but still :) |
| 15:06.46 | bluelightning | JaMa: hmm, 2009, so quite an old change... |
| 15:06.47 | xim | I like dpkg, but have never given anything else a serious chance. I guess there are plenty others who have it the other (obviously wrong :p) way around |
| 15:09.17 | JaMa | bluelightning: all would be easier with oe-core changes to opkg sent upstream I guess |
| 15:12.49 | bluelightning | JaMa: I agree, we need to do that... I think we did a round of upstreaming for opkg a while ago, I guess some more have accumulated since then |
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| 15:14.18 | bluelightning | JaMa: re 3133, are you able to trigger that with less than the large number of layers you have enabled? |
| 15:14.55 | bluelightning | (without in any way suggesting that that is a factor) |
| 15:15.24 | JaMa | bluelightning: that was only opkg-utils not opkg itself |
| 15:16.38 | bluelightning | JaMa: hmm looks like you're right |
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| 16:11.58 | pb_ | stabs clutter |
| 16:12.08 | pb_ | who thought it was a good idea to have a variable called "bool"? |
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| 16:25.52 | pb_ | oh good grief, webkit has its own private copy of eglplatform.h. what madness is this? |
| 16:26.38 | xim | pb_: Das. Ist. Spartaaaaaaa! |
| 16:58.40 | JaMa | bluelightning: re 3133 in bugzilla, sorry it took so long, slow server and I was multitasking with upstreaming/fixing opkg |
| 17:02.12 | e_spin | basic gcc problem, generated "hello world" a.out file to desktop, then when I type a.out in terminal , it says command not found. What up? |
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| 17:06.58 | JaMa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.09 | e_spin | Thanks, that worked , whats going on ? |
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| 17:08.50 | JaMa | e_spin: learn basics |
| 17:09.10 | JaMa | this isn't right channel for that |
| 17:09.39 | e_spin | I'll be back! |
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| 17:29.41 | florian | re |
| 17:30.18 | JaMa | re |
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| 21:43.22 | aaa801 | Is there any way to change where the build system grabs the kernel src from? |
| 21:43.47 | aaa801 | Attempting to build webos but need to specify the rpi kernel as the patchs are not mainline yet |
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| 21:58.01 | kergoth | if the recipe name is different, define PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "recipe-name" |
| 21:58.05 | kergoth | usually the machine defines this |
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| 22:09.45 | bluelightning | aaa801: you're aware of meta-raspberrypi ? |
| 22:10.06 | bluelightning | aaa801: https://github.com/djwillis/meta-raspberrypi |
| 22:10.20 | bluelightning | already has a specific kernel recipe |
| 22:11.35 | kergoth | damn. anyone who hasn't yet seen the_silver_searcher, *highly* recommend switching to it. it's like ack, which is much better than grep, but it's smoking fast compared to ack |
| 22:11.43 | kergoth | http://geoff.greer.fm/2011/12/27/the-silver-searcher-better-than-ack/ |
| 22:13.19 | bluelightning | couldn't someone just fix the existing tool rather than writing a new one? |
| 22:13.40 | bluelightning | (/grump) |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | ack was written in perl |
| 22:14.30 | kergoth | so.. blech |
| 22:14.46 | kergoth | one less perl dependency is a Good Thing™ :) |
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| 22:35.03 | khem | I wonder anyone worked on pythong 3.x recipes ? |
| 22:35.14 | khem | kergoth: did you play with it at all |
| 22:35.21 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:35.22 | alexhairyman | oooh.... kinky pythongs....... |
| 22:35.28 | alexhairyman | lol |
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| 22:37.22 | khem | I wonder if it really makes sense to use 3.x |
| 22:37.32 | khem | but anyway I will try |
| 22:39.39 | kergoth | good luck |
| 22:41.42 | khem | kergoth: thanks I will need a lot of it |
| 22:41.59 | khem | actually I will try to make it coexist |
| 22:42.03 | khem | with 2.7 |
| 22:42.20 | khem | typo's butbake |
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